goemaw.com
TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: MakeItRain on April 22, 2013, 10:33:45 PM
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
-
yeah, wtf captain crapface
-
captain crapface!
-
Weird thread
-
:emawkid:
-
I look at the lineup on the perimeter next year, and I have this look on my face like Princess Leia after they blew up Alderaan.
-
Can we transfer in that deaf kid from tech next year?
-
Can we transfer in that deaf kid from tech next year?
For the first time in his life he'll be glad he's deaf, because he won't hear the boos.
-
yeah, wtf captain crapface
captain crapface!
This interaction was the first time I've laughed since the news came out.
-
Can we transfer in that deaf kid from tech next year?
For the first time in his life he'll be glad he's deaf, because he won't hear the boos.
Won't hear oscar's annoying dumb voice either
-
I look at the lineup on the perimeter next year, and I have this look on my face like Princess Leia after they blew up Alderaan.
Whoa, the Rick Daris vs. Catzacker analogy contest just got another contender.
-
Weird thread
Warranted thread
-
"the program is bigger than one
coach player"
"A real fan would support oscar and the team"
:goodbyecruelworld:
-
At this rate we'll never get our limestone wall OR trees. :bang:
-
bump
-
It's back to the old pre-Huggy days when there was a costly transfer every off season and a badly timed key injury during the year.
eff you, Currie, for bringing back snake-bit U.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvGJlKRL.jpg&hash=4f4ee9d073bb6bef1a9f554ab534be78899bb752)
-
We are a couple of Junction City recruits away for calling this a decade.
-
It's unfortunate after the year we just had, but I just feel right now this is the best thing for me and my family. Whether it is the right choice or not, family has and always will be first with me......However, at the end of the day, I have do what I think is best for my mom and my brothers."
Poor kid probably didn't see a single cash payment. Bet he struggled by with what ever paltry impermissible benefits he could hustle up on his own.
-
I look at the lineup on the perimeter next year, and I have this look on my face like Princess Leia after they blew up Alderaan.
Whoa, the Rick Daris vs. Catzacker analogy contest just got another contender.
I had a good run.
-
It's unfortunate after the year we just had, but I just feel right now this is the best thing for me and my family. Whether it is the right choice or not, family has and always will be first with me......However, at the end of the day, I have do what I think is best for my mom and my brothers."
Poor kid probably didn't see a single cash payment. Bet he struggled by with what ever paltry impermissible benefits he could hustle up on his own.
When is the last time an all conference player transferred to be 'closer to home'?
#burnitdown
-
It's unfortunate after the year we just had, but I just feel right now this is the best thing for me and my family. Whether it is the right choice or not, family has and always will be first with me......However, at the end of the day, I have do what I think is best for my mom and my brothers."
Poor kid probably didn't see a single cash payment. Bet he struggled by with what ever paltry impermissible benefits he could hustle up on his own.
When is the last time an all conference player transferred to be 'closer to home'?
#burnitdown
After playing 2 rough ridin' years!
-
It's unfortunate after the year we just had, but I just feel right now this is the best thing for me and my family. Whether it is the right choice or not, family has and always will be first with me......However, at the end of the day, I have do what I think is best for my mom and my brothers."
Poor kid probably didn't see a single cash payment. Bet he struggled by with what ever paltry impermissible benefits he could hustle up on his own.
When is the last time an all conference player transferred to be 'closer to home'?
#burnitdown
On the heels of a conference title.
This is an unprecedented fail.
-
I would honestly be ok with oscar getting fired after the year he gave us our first confy since '77. We'd get totally shitted on by all the sports media, and I still wouldn't care.
-
It's unfortunate after the year we just had, but I just feel right now this is the best thing for me and my family. Whether it is the right choice or not, family has and always will be first with me......However, at the end of the day, I have do what I think is best for my mom and my brothers."
Poor kid probably didn't see a single cash payment. Bet he struggled by with what ever paltry impermissible benefits he could hustle up on his own.
When is the last time an all conference player transferred to be 'closer to home'?
#burnitdown
On the heels of a conference title.
This is an unprecedented fail.
It makes haith's management of pressey look paltry in comparison
-
I would honestly be ok with oscar getting fired after the year he gave us our first confy since '77. We'd get totally shitted on by all the sports media, and I still wouldn't care.
I agree. When the writing is on the wall, there is no reason at all to go ahead and watch the program roll off of a cliff.
-
Does oscar do anything shady? Maybe we should dig through his trash and if we find anything, put it on Currie's desk.
-
Does oscar do anything shady? Maybe we should dig through his trash and if we find anything, put it on Currie's desk.
VIOLENT PSYCHOPATH oscar WEBER THREW ONE TOO MANY BASKETBALLS AT ANGEL'S HEAD
-
Does oscar do anything shady? Maybe we should dig through his trash and if we find anything, put it on Currie's desk.
Um, no. That's why Currie hired him.
-
Cap'n is smart. He knows he can't come here and defend Webber or Currie. Not possible.
-
Cap'n is smart. He knows he can't come here and defend Webber or Currie. Not possible.
March 15th was the peak of oscar's first year, there hasn't been much positive momentum in his program since. This cannot be denied.
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
-
I look at the lineup on the perimeter next year, and I have this look on my face like Princess Leia after they blew up Alderaan.
Whoa, the Rick Daris vs. Catzacker analogy contest just got another contender.
yeah, I am pretty excited about this.
Also, anyone who denies that oscar has a full scale, Bud Kilmer style player revolt going on is lying to themselves. He has lost 3 players in 2 weeks.
-
I would honestly be ok with oscar getting fired after the year he gave us our first confy since '77. We'd get totally shitted on by all the sports media, and I still wouldn't care.
it wouldn't hurt us in getting a new coach weven a little bit, unless that coach was named Gene Keady. The coaching fraternity knows oscar is an absolute Harold who sucks at most all of what he does.
-
It's unfortunate after the year we just had, but I just feel right now this is the best thing for me and my family. Whether it is the right choice or not, family has and always will be first with me......However, at the end of the day, I have do what I think is best for my mom and my brothers."
Poor kid probably didn't see a single cash payment. Bet he struggled by with what ever paltry impermissible benefits he could hustle up on his own.
When is the last time an all conference player transferred to be 'closer to home'?
#burnitdown
On the heels of a conference title.
This is an unprecedented fail.
New board name idea
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
How about if it was really that he wanted to be closer to home he would have signed with Miami when they offered him a scholarship right out of highschool? :dunno:
-
I for one don't blame CC for mindlessly parroting what he's been fed by the AD.
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
oh i know, just pointing out that you've joined a very select minority
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
oh i know, just pointing out that you've joined a very select minority
well if one thing is for sure, it's that there are only two options. either his body is completely broken down and he needs to quit college unpaid ball to go play professionally right now...or he desperately wants to play unpaid college ball closer to home and doesn't mind sitting out a year in order to do it. either way, oscar's hands are tied and there's nothing he could've done.
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
oh i know, just pointing out that you've joined a very select minority
Yeah, but it still feels like I am believing a stripper telling me I'm good looking.
-
You are welcome to lash out at me, I understand you guys are upset. Angel was a heck of a player and he will be missed. Best of luck to him.
-
weak
-
You are welcome to lash out at me, I understand you guys are upset. Angel was a heck of a player and he will be missed. Best of luck to him.
did the animal tell currie/oscar to get their crap together or else?
-
You are welcome to lash out at me, I understand you guys are upset. Angel was a heck of a player and he will be missed. Best of luck to him.
did the animal tell currie/oscar to get their crap together or else?
I don't know what this means
-
I for one don't blame CC for mindlessly parroting what he's been fed by the AD.
:jerk: If that's what you think I've been doing, then I don't know what to say. Obviously nothing I can say will be of value to you.
-
You are welcome to lash out at me, I understand you guys are upset. Angel was a heck of a player and he will be missed. Best of luck to him.
did the animal tell currie/oscar to get their crap together or else?
I don't know what this means
did Shulz yell at Currie/oscar?
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at you for it. I appreciate your input very much.
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
-
You are welcome to lash out at me, I understand you guys are upset. Angel was a heck of a player and he will be missed. Best of luck to him.
did the animal tell currie/oscar to get their crap together or else?
I don't know what this means
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27469.msg804176#msg804176 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27469.msg804176#msg804176)
-
You are welcome to lash out at me, I understand you guys are upset. Angel was a heck of a player and he will be missed. Best of luck to him.
did the animal tell currie/oscar to get their crap together or else?
I don't know what this means
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27469.msg804176#msg804176 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27469.msg804176#msg804176)
I will check to see if the university president sent a modified deadspin article to the athletic director, will let you know if that happened.
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at you for it. I appreciate your input very much.
I choose to do both when appropriate.
-
trench warfare man
what a pickle, the exact same event that seems to bolster the arguments for the oscar skeptics actually is being use by the oscar apologists (as in the term "defending a position") as ammo that the potential failures of the basketball team are beyond his control.
YET
if the coach was still a certain someone, their exact positions would almost assuredly be flipped
predilections make for funny positions
-
YET
if the coach was still a certain someone, their exact positions would almost assuredly be flipped
predilections make for funny positions
I'd be losing my crap if angel left under frank
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at you for it. I appreciate your input very much.
I choose to do both when appropriate.
what you have to do is just look at the phone like an old ibm line or whatever that didn't pass anything over 2700 hertz. there's just a low pass filter or whatever on the phone. it is what it is, although sometimes i wish c-crap was just a regular poster because he'd be amazing.
-
trench warfare man
what a pickle, the exact same event that seems to bolster the arguments for the oscar skeptics actually is being use by the oscar apologists (as in the term "defending a position") as ammo that the potential failures of the basketball team are beyond his control.
YET
if the coach was still a certain someone, their exact positions would almost assuredly be flipped
predilections make for funny positions
People have and always will use the information at hand to defend which ever side of the argument they are on, some just switch sides sooner/easier than others.
-
YET
if the coach was still a certain someone, their exact positions would almost assuredly be flipped
predilections make for funny positions
I'd be losing my crap if angel left under frank
I said almost! :shakesfist:
but yeah I am trying to seem fair and balanced to the point of unflavored oatmeal
-
trench warfare man
what a pickle, the exact same event that seems to bolster the arguments for the oscar skeptics actually is being use by the oscar apologists (as in the term "defending a position") as ammo that the potential failures of the basketball team are beyond his control.
YET
if the coach was still a certain someone, their exact positions would almost assuredly be flipped
predilections make for funny positions
People have and always will use the information at hand to defend which ever side of the argument they are on, some just switch sides sooner/easier than others.
For sho.
Some are just a bit more transparent about the underlying reasons for their "switches".
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
oh i know, just pointing out that you've joined a very select minority
well if one thing is for sure, it's that there are only two options. either his body is completely broken down and he needs to quit college unpaid ball to go play professionally right now...or he desperately wants to play unpaid college ball closer to home and doesn't mind sitting out a year in order to do it. either way, oscar's hands are tied and there's nothing he could've done.
i think you missed another thing that is for sure, and that is that oscar actively pushed angel out of the program and did nothing to convince angel to stay. because that makse sense. there is no disputing that data. also no disputing that angel plays no role and has no responsibility for the situation he's found himself in and it all lands on the shoulders of one oscar weber the king big 12 champ.
-
clams and rd: laying it on the line (#meme)
-
clams and rd: laying it on the line (#meme)
Are there two more lay it on the line posters?
I don't think so.
-
clams and rd: laying it on the line (#meme)
Are there two more lay it on the line posters?
I don't think so.
they have spunk (#lolmeme) that's for sure
-
JFC. I should have gotten that copyrighted.
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
oh i know, just pointing out that you've joined a very select minority
well if one thing is for sure, it's that there are only two options. either his body is completely broken down and he needs to quit college unpaid ball to go play professionally right now...or he desperately wants to play unpaid college ball closer to home and doesn't mind sitting out a year in order to do it. either way, oscar's hands are tied and there's nothing he could've done.
i think you missed another thing that is for sure, and that is that oscar actively pushed angel out of the program and did nothing to convince angel to stay. because that makse sense. there is no disputing that data. also no disputing that angel plays no role and has no responsibility for the situation he's found himself in and it all lands on the shoulders of one oscar weber the king big 12 champ.
i don't think oscar pushed him out. angel bears all responsibility for his actions. oscar gets paid two million a year to convince him to stay. he couldn't though and he currently has no one lined up (orris gray debacle, etc) to take his place. how much crap you want to give oscar for this is up to you, but he has to get some.
-
So we aren't buying the stay close to home thing? What is lse could it be? I don't think I will put lay angel's broken wings at buce's feet, but oscar doesn't get to use it as an excuse.
why wouldn't "we", i mean, "you", believe it?
I was saying I do believe it. And asking for a reason why I shouldn't.
oh i know, just pointing out that you've joined a very select minority
well if one thing is for sure, it's that there are only two options. either his body is completely broken down and he needs to quit college unpaid ball to go play professionally right now...or he desperately wants to play unpaid college ball closer to home and doesn't mind sitting out a year in order to do it. either way, oscar's hands are tied and there's nothing he could've done.
i think you missed another thing that is for sure, and that is that oscar actively pushed angel out of the program and did nothing to convince angel to stay. because that makse sense. there is no disputing that data. also no disputing that angel plays no role and has no responsibility for the situation he's found himself in and it all lands on the shoulders of one oscar weber the king big 12 champ.
i don't think oscar pushed him out. angel bears all responsibility for his actions. oscar gets paid two million a year to convince him to stay. he couldn't though and he currently has no one lined up (orris gray debacle, etc) to take his place. how much crap you want to give oscar for this is up to you, but he has to get some.
all good points.
-
Everything weber touches eventually goes to crap.
Is it coincidence that this year the Big 12 was the worst it's been in a long time?
Is it coincidence that the last 6 years weber was in the Big 10, that the conference stunk?
I think not.
-
Everything weber touches eventually goes to crap.
Is it coincidence that this year the Big 12 was the worst it's been in a long time?
Is it coincidence that the last 6 years weber was in the Big 10, that the conference stunk?
I think not.
He made your posting stink (as in smells bad, real bad).
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
Never said anything like Frank had to go. If anything, I was bummed he left. I did do 2 other things:
1) I disputed the hysteria that Frank was the only good coach in KSU history. He's the 3rd best in the last 25 years -- after Huggins and Kruger -- which makes him still pretty darn good.
2) I disputed the hysteria that oscar is an awful coach. I'll even double-down on that position. I think we'll be good next year even without Angel. oscar still has the potential to knock Frank down to 4th-best coach in the post-Hartman years.
P.S. I'm also bummed that Angel left. Just like I was pissed at the #BID posters last year who said they hoped Angel transferred out before last season.
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
P.S. I'm also bummed that Angel left. Just like I was pissed at the #BID posters last year who said they hoped Angel transferred out before last season.
Link?
-
Everything weber touches eventually goes to crap.
Is it coincidence that this year the Big 12 was the worst it's been in a long time?
Is it coincidence that the last 6 years weber was in the Big 10, that the conference stunk?
I think not.
He made your posting stink (as in smells bad, real bad).
That hurts man, considering we're on the same side and all. Dude, I feel for you, not like that prick Okcyclone.
-
P.S. I'm also bummed that Angel left. Just like I was pissed at the #BID posters last year who said they hoped Angel transferred out before last season.
Link?
The search function is in the upper right.
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
2) I disputed the hysteria that oscar is an awful coach. I'll even double-down on that position. I think we'll be good next year even without Angel.
I was concerned about where our primary scoring would come from with out Rodney before Angel decided to leave, and at that point, my concern was Angel transitioning to more of a scorer. Now where is our scoring going to come from? Shane and Gip are the only ones left who provided much in that manner.
So, here we sit losing players and scrambling for spring recruits to fill their spots with and Sprads is one of our top three scoring options for next yr.
That should worry you a lot.
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
2) I disputed the hysteria that oscar is an awful coach. I'll even double-down on that position. I think we'll be good next year even without Angel.
I was concerned about where our primary scoring would come from with out Rodney before Angel decided to leave, and at that point, my concern was Angel transitioning to more of a scorer. Now where is our scoring going to come from? Shane and Gip are the only ones left who provided much in that manner.
So, here we sit losing players and scrambling for spring recruits to fill their spots with and Sprads is one of our top three scoring options for next yr.
That should worry you a lot.
:bang:
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
How is this player revolt different than the threatened (not confirmed) defections Frank faced at the end of last season?
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
How is this player revolt different than the threatened (not confirmed) defections Frank faced at the end of last season?
because, there is/was no player revolt.
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
How is this player revolt different than the threatened (not confirmed) defections Frank faced at the end of last season?
because, there is/was no player revolt.
Now or at the end of last season?
-
you pick
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
How is this player revolt different than the threatened (not confirmed) defections Frank faced at the end of last season?
because, there is/was no player revolt.
Now or at the end of last season?
As far as we know, Angel/Diaz/Orris or their parents weren't whining to the AD. Or they weren't likely whining as loudly.
-
The whole point of this thread is dumb because the question posed is: given that defections were supposed to be very bad last year, how can they be a good thing this year? To which, one can simply answer that they aren't good this year either.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
phew! good thing we got that worked out.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
phew! good thing we got that worked out.
Yes, exactly as planned. Now we have a shitty coach and shitty players.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
How is it not an issue this year? Seems like a pretty inconsistent position.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
a: there was no revolt this year, i'm not sure why lsoc keeps referring to one.
b: there was no revolt last year, i'm not sure why CC keeps referring to one.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
How is it not an issue this year? Seems like a pretty inconsistent position.
Not sure what you mean. 3 players have indicated transfer plans this spring, 2 for family reasons and 1 for PT. 2 of the players rarely saw action.
Last spring many more than 3 had indicated transfer plans, each for the same reason, and it wasn't location or PT.
The two situations are not at all similar.
-
b: there was no revolt last year, i'm not sure why CC keeps referring to one.
Because it's reality
-
I believe there would have been players leave because of Frank. I know Spradling would have. Guessing Nino would have been another. Would like to know who the others were.
-
I believe there would have been players leave because of Frank. I know Spradling would have. Guessing Nino would have been another. Would like to know who the others were.
Not Angel
-
I believe there would have been players leave because of Frank. I know Spradling would have. Guessing Nino would have been another. Would like to know who the others were.
Rod, JO? :dunno:
Can we get three more?
-
Players leaving was part of Frank's SOP.
-
Players leaving was part of Frank's SOP.
but never the good one, ya know? I guess Judge maybe.
-
Players leaving was part of Frank's SOP.
but never the good one, ya know? I guess Judge maybe.
Sutton was a starter, not the best starter obv.
-
Players leaving was part of Frank's SOP.
but never the good one, ya know? I guess Judge maybe.
Sutton was a starter, not the best starter obv.
oh yeah. forgot about him.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
How is it not an issue this year? Seems like a pretty inconsistent position.
Not sure what you mean. 3 players have indicated transfer plans this spring, 2 for family reasons and 1 for PT. 2 of the players rarely saw action.
Last spring many more than 3 had indicated transfer plans, each for the same reason, and it wasn't location or PT.
The two situations are not at all similar.
I agree that the situations are different. last year was some extremely marginal players who can be replaced only threatening to leave if they had to play for the coach who recruited them and this year is the actual loss of a All Big 2nd PG. So the difference is kind of not relevant except it illustrates a textbook example of the opposite way to handle a situation.
What can we do to stop the talented players hemmoraging from our program right now?
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
How is it not an issue this year? Seems like a pretty inconsistent position.
Not sure what you mean. 3 players have indicated transfer plans this spring, 2 for family reasons and 1 for PT. 2 of the players rarely saw action.
Last spring many more than 3 had indicated transfer plans, each for the same reason, and it wasn't location or PT.
The two situations are not at all similar.
I agree that the situations are different. last year was some extremely marginal players who can be replaced only threatening to leave if they had to play for the coach who recruited them and this year is the actual loss of a All Big 2nd PG. So the difference is kind of not relevant except it illustrates a textbook example of the opposite way to handle a situation.
What can we do to stop the talented players hemmoraging from our program right now?
Run out of talented players.
-
you pick
As I have said before, there very much was an issue last spring with many players indicating they were not coming back due to the head coach.
How is it not an issue this year? Seems like a pretty inconsistent position.
Not sure what you mean. 3 players have indicated transfer plans this spring, 2 for family reasons and 1 for PT. 2 of the players rarely saw action.
Last spring many more than 3 had indicated transfer plans, each for the same reason, and it wasn't location or PT.
The two situations are not at all similar.
I agree that the situations are different. last year was some extremely marginal players who can be replaced only threatening to leave if they had to play for the coach who recruited them and this year is the actual loss of a All Big 2nd PG. So the difference is kind of not relevant except it illustrates a textbook example of the opposite way to handle a situation.
What can we do to stop the talented players hemmoraging from our program right now?
Run out of talented players.
Or just run out of fans who give a eff
-
Someone should refer Orris and Diaz to this thread. I'm sure they'd like to read all the nice things being said about them.
-
Someone should refer Orris and Diaz to this thread. I'm sure they'd like to read all the nice things being said about them.
did you see Orris' "LOL" tweet yesterday when the Angel meltdown hit twitter? :D
-
Someone should refer Orris and Diaz to this thread. I'm sure they'd like to read all the nice things being said about them.
did you see Orris' "LOL" tweet yesterday when the Angel meltdown hit twitter? :D
spunky tweet
-
Someone should refer Orris and Diaz to this thread. I'm sure they'd like to read all the nice things being said about them.
did you see Orris' "LOL" tweet yesterday when the Angel meltdown hit twitter? :D
No I didn't. I also did not see it in the Twitter thread. :confused:
-
well, he just tweeted "LOL". so picture that.
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
WTF are you talking about perpetually pissed off MIR??
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
WTF are you talking about perpetually pissed off MIR??
You really can't tell what he is talking about? I can and I am paying like 90% attention to work right now.
-
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
-
what he said
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
How is this player revolt different than the threatened (not confirmed) defections Frank faced at the end of last season?
because, there is/was no player revolt.
Now or at the end of last season?
As far as we know, Angel/Diaz/Orris or their parents weren't whining to the AD. Or they weren't likely whining as loudly.
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
:nono:
-
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
Who are your sources?
Pretty sure JO was thinking of going after his SO yr...stuck around, then was part of the group for last year...
I've got pretty good sources saying 7 were going, I have a feeling Rod maybe have been part of that group too.
CC has repeatedly said many were out the door, my guess is he knows more than you Koug.
So if you want to throw Will, Nino and emape...who are the other four, they can't all be bench warmers?
-
CC, What kind of effort was put into convincing art to stay?
-
CC, What kind of effort was put into convincing art to stay?
none and every imaginable/conceivable effort.
-
Great meltdown so far guys. :thumbsup:
-
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
Who are your sources?
Pretty sure JO was thinking of going after his SO yr...stuck around, then was part of the group for last year...
I've got pretty good sources saying 7 were going, I have a feeling Rod maybe have been part of that group too.
CC has repeatedly said many were out the door, my guess is he knows more than you Koug.
So if you want to throw Will, Nino and emape...who are the other four, they can't all be bench warmers?
Between cap'n and myself, only one of us knew Angel was leaving. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fsmug.gif&hash=b3d9329b64d0b06db9c3b26267707e2562f292b2)
The "7" number was a manufactured myth from the start.
-
Great meltdown so far guys. :thumbsup:
there was a key ingredient of a good meltdown missing...until you started posting. Thanks for being the cumin in this meltdown chili!
-
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
Who are your sources?
Pretty sure JO was thinking of going after his SO yr...stuck around, then was part of the group for last year...
I've got pretty good sources saying 7 were going, I have a feeling Rod maybe have been part of that group too.
CC has repeatedly said many were out the door, my guess is he knows more than you Koug.
So if you want to throw Will, Nino and emape...who are the other four, they can't all be bench warmers?
Consider who your sources are. I have sources that say Will and scrubs were going, granted, mine might be bias the other way.
JO talked about going pro after his JR year and was mushed by NBA people he talked to. If he was going, it wasn't to the draft. If he thought he had as much NBA potential as he apparently did, he was not going to transfer and sit out a year either.
-
I've also heard both ways for Rod depending on the group I heard it from. The people speaking of this "group of 7" was trying to inflate that number and who was in it as much as possible. Common sense says Rod would be very unlikely to transfer his senior year. I don't think Rod was going anywhere.
Regardless, congrats on oscar keeping the group together. In 3 years with oscar, we will end up 0-1 in the NCAAs. Thank god Frank wasn't allowed to tank the program. Currie can get his own guy for that.
-
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
Who are your sources?
Pretty sure JO was thinking of going after his SO yr...stuck around, then was part of the group for last year...
I've got pretty good sources saying 7 were going, I have a feeling Rod maybe have been part of that group too.
CC has repeatedly said many were out the door, my guess is he knows more than you Koug.
So if you want to throw Will, Nino and emape...who are the other four, they can't all be bench warmers?
Between cap'n and myself, only one of us knew Angel was leaving. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fsmug.gif&hash=b3d9329b64d0b06db9c3b26267707e2562f292b2)
The "7" number was a manufactured myth from the start.
Both of your statements are factually incorrect.
-
cc, bring angel back
-
I really get the "never admit when you are wrong" mindset but christ, put down the fiddle and just look out the window for a flame or 2.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theheadrush.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F08%2Fanimal-house-remain_calm1.jpg&hash=a3915410948cfc5c3a5ce5296d25a84af0a86b5a)
i imagine this is CC at his keyboard
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theheadrush.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F08%2Fanimal-house-remain_calm1.jpg&hash=a3915410948cfc5c3a5ce5296d25a84af0a86b5a)
i imagine this is CC at his keyboard
??? What have I posted today that is even close to that?
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theheadrush.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F08%2Fanimal-house-remain_calm1.jpg&hash=a3915410948cfc5c3a5ce5296d25a84af0a86b5a)
i imagine this is CC at his keyboard
??? What have I posted today that is even close to that?
nothing.
any truth to the fact that staff/ad/angel all knew a few weeks ago and were trying to keep it under wraps for angel to finish out the semester and get out of town unnoticed as well as for the ad to make another push for season bball tickets?
-
i have an active imagination :gocho:
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theheadrush.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F08%2Fanimal-house-remain_calm1.jpg&hash=a3915410948cfc5c3a5ce5296d25a84af0a86b5a)
i imagine this is CC at his keyboard
??? What have I posted today that is even close to that?
nothing.
any truth to the fact that staff/ad/angel all knew a few weeks ago and were trying to keep it under wraps for angel to finish out the semester and get out of town unnoticed as well as for the ad to make another push for season bball tickets?
No effort to "keep it under wraps", not sure what the point would be of doing that. If that was the intent then not sure why the school sent out a press release yesterday before the semester ended and before any leaks had hit the media. If that's your conspiracy theory, I am curious to hear the support for it.
-
Either way people are going to be wanting their 25% Ahearn donations back.
-
Pro-tip: If you not don't want to renew because Angel is leaving but you got tricked into renewing before he announced, just demand your money back. they will give it to you.
-
Pro-tip: If you not don't want to renew because Angel is leaving but you got tricked into renewing before he announced, just demand your money back. they will give it to you.
MBB season ticket renewals are not on sale yet. No one was "tricked" into renewing.
-
People make fun of my conspiracy interests . . . yet it appears that goEMAW thinks that this has nothing to do with Angel's family and the fact that he's approximately 2000 Nautical Miles from his home. (Don't care if this has been covered, I'm not going to go back and read the thread Seppuku, it's pathetic).
Fascinating.
:thumbsup:
-
Pro-tip: If you not don't want to renew because Angel is leaving but you got tricked into renewing before he announced, just demand your money back. they will give it to you.
MBB season ticket renewals are not on sale yet. No one was "tricked" into renewing.
Why is the 25% donation due in March then?
-
Hey assholes, don't take this out on CC.
-
I love when people allude to key players being part of the "planned revolt of 2012." McGruder wasn't leaving. Angel wasn't leaving. Gipson wasn't leaving. JO wasn't leaving.
Will can still GTFO, as can Nino and emape. Oh darn. What a devastating revolt that would have been. :rolleyes:
Who are your sources?
Pretty sure JO was thinking of going after his SO yr...stuck around, then was part of the group for last year...
I've got pretty good sources saying 7 were going, I have a feeling Rod maybe have been part of that group too.
CC has repeatedly said many were out the door, my guess is he knows more than you Koug.
So if you want to throw Will, Nino and emape...who are the other four, they can't all be bench warmers?
Between cap'n and myself, only one of us knew Angel was leaving. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fsmug.gif&hash=b3d9329b64d0b06db9c3b26267707e2562f292b2)
The "7" number was a manufactured myth from the start.
Both of your statements are factually incorrect.
-
If that was the intent then not sure why the school sent out a press release yesterday before the semester ended and before any leaks had hit the media.
"before any leaks had hit the media" is factually incorrect. thanks for answering questions when possible even though some of our posters are dipshits.
-
Pro-tip: If you not don't want to renew because Angel is leaving but you got tricked into renewing before he announced, just demand your money back. they will give it to you.
MBB season ticket renewals are not on sale yet. No one was "tricked" into renewing.
Why is the 25% donation due in March then?
Ahearn Fund donations are not MBB season tickets.
-
People make fun of my conspiracy interests . . . yet it appears that goEMAW thinks that this has nothing to do with Angel's family and the fact that he's approximately 2000 Nautical Miles from his home. (Don't care if this has been covered, I'm not going to go back and read the thread Seppuku, it's pathetic).
Fascinating.
:thumbsup:
I don't think its completely unrelated. I think it should be irrelevant to a capable coach.
-
If that was the intent then not sure why the school sent out a press release yesterday before the semester ended and before any leaks had hit the media.
"before any leaks had hit the media" is factually incorrect. thanks for answering questions when possible even though some of our posters are dipshits.
Link? I didn't see it hit any MSM before the school announced it yesterday. Most media types had zero indication at all.
I do not count message boards as "media"
-
Pro-tip: If you not don't want to renew because Angel is leaving but you got tricked into renewing before he announced, just demand your money back. they will give it to you.
MBB season ticket renewals are not on sale yet. No one was "tricked" into renewing.
Why is the 25% donation due in March then?
Ahearn Fund donations are not MBB season tickets.
po-tay-toe po-tah-toe
-
Pro-tip: If you not don't want to renew because Angel is leaving but you got tricked into renewing before he announced, just demand your money back. they will give it to you.
MBB season ticket renewals are not on sale yet. No one was "tricked" into renewing.
Why is the 25% donation due in March then?
Ahearn Fund donations are not MBB season tickets.
po-tay-toe po-tah-toe
http://www.ahearnfund.com/giving/faqs.html (see very first FAQ)
-
yes, thanks CC - fellow wildcat brother
-
People make fun of my conspiracy interests . . . yet it appears that goEMAW thinks that this has nothing to do with Angel's family and the fact that he's approximately 2000 Nautical Miles from his home. (Don't care if this has been covered, I'm not going to go back and read the thread Seppuku, it's pathetic).
Fascinating.
:thumbsup:
I don't think its completely unrelated. I think it should be irrelevant to a capable coach.
Outside of a moment here and there related to him not being in a particular game at a particular time was there any indication that Angel's game had not improved over last year, and would stop improving in the subsequent two years?
Oh, why I am asking that, of course there was absolutely no indication, if you say that there was, than you're just being a nit picky dickhole message board wannabe coach.
-----
Oh, and CC has issued so many beat downs in this thread that I respectfully ask that the mods lock this thread in order to save so many from further embarrassment.
-
People make fun of my conspiracy interests . . . yet it appears that goEMAW thinks that this has nothing to do with Angel's family and the fact that he's approximately 2000 Nautical Miles from his home. (Don't care if this has been covered, I'm not going to go back and read the thread Seppuku, it's pathetic).
Fascinating.
:thumbsup:
I don't think its completely unrelated. I think it should be irrelevant to a capable coach.
Outside of a moment here and there related to him not being in a particular game at a particular time was there any indication that Angel's game had not improved over last year, and would stop improving in the subsequent two years?
Oh, why I am asking that, of course there was absolutely no indication, if you say that there was, than you're just being a nit picky dickhole message board wannabe coach.
-----
Oh, and CC has issued so many beat downs in this thread that I respectfully ask that the mods lock this thread in order to save so many from further embarrassment.
I didn't mean that Weber wasn't capable X-Os or whatever. I meant a capable coach would keep their best player on the team. How many conference championship, major D1 schools have their best player transfer? I can't think of any. Is it nice to be closer to home? Sure. But what made him more homesick this year than last?
I'm sure some people transfer to be closer to home, but I think its a two part decision. The first part is deciding you no longer want to be where you are at. The second part is where would you like to go. "Moving closer to home" is mostly just a PR line.
-
I bet oscar was walking his dog when he heard the news, gun shots going off or something alerted him. Honestly, does he even care?
-
For the same reason I think the idea that angel leaving due to oscar is complete bullshit is the same reason I think the diea that anyone other than sprads or nino were leaving last year because of frank is complete bullshit. Nor do I think the iming of angel leaving has some insidious undertone.
Regardless, angel leaving is not an excuse for oscar, much like "youth" was not an excuse that I bought with frank. Win or gtfo.
-
Before we go any farther can someone please assure me that bags of money were offered to Angel to entice him to stay at Kansas State University. Because my biggest fear is that didn't happen. That's more of a problem (imo) then a really crappy coach. Those problems combine into a nightmare of a men's D1 basketball program.
-
also, cap, you are the closest thing to a phone to the AD this site has. some of the posters will choose to lash out at your for it. I appreciate your input very much.
Yes, I agree. Same thing happens any time something bad happens. I get it, people are upset. I will try to give info when I can.
I'm not lashing out at CC because he is connected, I'm lashing out at everyone who tried to sell the Frank had to go because the players would leave BS and now won't acknowledge there is a problem here. CC wasn't the only poster I mentioned. I also appreciate bits of info and opinionated input but I will treat CC just like everyone else when I perceive the opinions to be crap.
And no I don't buy the excuse of he really wants to be closer to home excuse, just as I don't buy it when I hear it from other athletes, my college aged employees, or Real World cast members that use the same excuse. Homesickness is much harder to deal with when you're otherwise unhappy.
-
YET
if the coach was still a certain someone, their exact positions would almost assuredly be flipped
predilections make for funny positions
I'd be losing my crap if angel left under frank
I said almost! :shakesfist:
but yeah I am trying to seem fair and balanced to the point of unflavored oatmeal
I don't think anyone was across the board happy with frankings, just as it took this latest brucing to cause more than a small ripple. Frank's line for me was Nick Russell, I really hated that. At the time I was pissed about Buchi but I was clearly wrong about that.
-
Yes, a first-team all conference player was going to transfer and sit out a season before his senior year, lol. My problem with that rumor is that it defies common sense, but those who repeat it just choose to ignore the obvious flaws, like a Rodney type transfer would be unprecedented.
-
Yes, a first-team all conference player was going to transfer and sit out a season before his senior year, lol. My problem with that rumor is that it defies common sense, but those who repeat it just choose to ignore the obvious flaws, like a Rodney type transfer would be unprecedented.
well, Angel's transfer is almost unprecedented. Has there been the best player on a conference championship team that transferred in recent memory? (Granted, most conference champs' best players go pro or are seniors.)
-
Yes, a first-team all conference player was going to transfer and sit out a season before his senior year, lol. My problem with that rumor is that it defies common sense, but those who repeat it just choose to ignore the obvious flaws, like a Rodney type transfer would be unprecedented.
well, Angel's transfer is almost unprecedented. Has there been the best player on a conference championship team that transferred in recent memory? (Granted, most conference champs' best players go pro or are seniors.)
I'm not sure the conference champions thing matters. A good junior transferring is rare but it happens, a good senior leaving just doesn't happen, ever.
-
what year was axtell when he transferred to ku? i think he was going into his soph year. maybe lester earl would be a better example.
-
what year was axtell when he transferred to ku? i think he was going into his soph year. maybe lester earl would be a better example.
Both of those guys were freshmen IIRC. Earl left a shitty team, too.
-
:frown:
What Kansas State basketball now faces is being truly irrelevant for the first time in years, something that used to be commonplace in Manhattan.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22116956/rodriguez-transfer-means-oscar-weber-has-huge-challenge-next-year
-
El Crappo de Capitan,
Can you disspell or confirm this rumor about an NBA talent mystery player coming in?
-
"With no Rodriguez or big-time recruiting class, if Weber can coach this group to the NCAA tournament, he'll have proved K-State right for hiring him in the first place."
:facepalm:
-
what year was axtell when he transferred to ku? i think he was going into his soph year. maybe lester earl would be a better example.
true story alert. axtell used to do tons of blow and also had a threesome w/ an exroommate of mine.
-
what year was axtell when he transferred to ku? i think he was going into his soph year. maybe lester earl would be a better example.
true story alert. axtell used to do tons of blow and also had a threesome w/ an exroommate of mine.
Devil's threeway?
-
"With no Rodriguez or big-time recruiting class, if Weber can coach this group to the NCAA tournament, he'll have proved K-State right for hiring him in the first place."
:facepalm:
If he coaches this team to the tourney he will definitely have impressed me.
-
I'd drive the band wagon if oscar goes to the tourney next year.
-
I'll be happy as crap if we make the tournament but there is no way I will give him a sliver of credit for coaching up this situation he created.
-
I'll be happy as crap if we make the tournament but there is no way I will give him a sliver of credit for coaching up this situation he created.
Yes, and we will also grumble about how he should have done things the right way. I agree to that.
-
:frown:
What Kansas State basketball now faces is being truly irrelevant for the first time in years, something that used to be commonplace in Manhattan.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22116956/rodriguez-transfer-means-oscar-weber-has-huge-challenge-next-year
Damn, and it isn't even Frank's bro Goodman doing the work. :frown:
-
I'll be happy as crap if we make the tournament but there is no way I will give him a sliver of credit for coaching up this situation he created.
I assign oscar some percentage of the blame for this transfer and a much larger percentage of the blame for Josh Gray and most of the '13 class, but he isn't at fault for 100% of every part of it.
-
he isn't at fault for 100% of every part of it.
how do you know? he may be at fault for 100% of it, he may be at fault for 0% of it.
-
I'll be happy as crap if we make the tournament but there is no way I will give him a sliver of credit for coaching up this situation he created.
I assign oscar some percentage of the blame for this transfer and a much larger percentage of the blame for Josh Gray and most of the '13 class, but he isn't at fault for 100% of every part of it.
Didn't say that but its damn close to 100%. He didn't tell Angel to get bent like he did with Josh Gray.
-
"Big Time Recruiting Class". Kstate has had one in the last 30 years.
-
"Big Time Recruiting Class". Kstate has had one in the last 30 years.
and frank was 0% responsible for said class.
-
what year was axtell when he transferred to ku? i think he was going into his soph year. maybe lester earl would be a better example.
true story alert. axtell used to do tons of blow and also had a threesome w/ an exroommate of mine.
Devil's threeway?
if that's two guys and a girl and maybe another girl, then yeah. also, how the hell do you spell exroommate? no e at the beginning? a dash in there somewhere? what the hell.
-
did your roomate catch aids
-
did your roomate catch aids
doubtful. i see him every few years. clams sees him more. have clams ask him? :dunno:
-
will ask! :thumbs: :fatty:
-
It's time to ask if the BTF is haunted. We have been hemmoraging players and coaches since it was built.
-
will ask! :thumbs: :fatty:
not really sure how that would go over, so maybe you actually shouldn't. dunno. your call.
-
did your roomate catch aids
doubtful. i see him every few years. clams sees him more. have clams ask him? :dunno:
How can I not guess who this is?
-
did your roomate catch aids
doubtful. i see him every few years. clams sees him more. have clams ask him? :dunno:
How can I not guess who this is?
pretty easily actually. don't think you know him. some of you and pete's old friends would though.
-
will ask! :thumbs: :fatty:
not really sure how that would go over, so maybe you actually shouldn't. dunno. your call.
pak'd clams is going to have a hard time keeping his shell shut on this one but will hopefully just forget about it and then it won't be a prblm.
-
what year was axtell when he transferred to ku? i think he was going into his soph year. maybe lester earl would be a better example.
true story alert. axtell used to do tons of blow and also had a threesome w/ an exroommate of mine.
Devil's threeway?
if that's two guys and a girl and maybe another girl, then yeah. also, how the hell do you spell exroommate? no e at the beginning? a dash in there somewhere? what the hell.
I think it would be xxxroommate in this case :fatty:
-
I'll be happy as crap if we make the tournament but there is no way I will give him a sliver of credit for coaching up this situation he created.
I assign oscar some percentage of the blame for this transfer and a much larger percentage of the blame for Josh Gray and most of the '13 class, but he isn't at fault for 100% of every part of it.
imo, given the state if the program (i. e. budget, facilities, recent sucess, support, etc) oscar is 100% responsible for the results. Everthing else (transfers, recruiting, schedule, the 5/8 rule, youth, inexperience etc) is all noise/BS excuses.
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
-
oscar is 100% responsible for the results.
Yes, completely.
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
hasn't been discussed yet. what are you basing this on?
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
hasn't been discussed yet. what are you basing this on?
Well, in typical #goEMAW fashion, most of the board who posts has rallied around the slightly above average player and is blaming everyone else, whereas maybe Angel is a bit of a momma's boy who needs to be closer to mom. It happens a lot.
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
-
i think it's been pretty well established that oscar and will and shannon pushed him out
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
-
will ask! :thumbs: :fatty:
not really sure how that would go over, so maybe you actually shouldn't. dunno. your call.
pak'd clams is going to have a hard time keeping his shell shut on this one but will hopefully just forget about it and then it won't be a prblm.
dunno, maybe just tread lightly into it like "hey, daris said you used to know luke axtell a little bit. what was he like?" and then see how it goes from there. idk. :dunno:
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
-
No idea on your original question, but 2nd team all big 12 = slightly above average?
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
hasn't been discussed yet. what are you basing this on?
Well, in typical #goEMAW fashion, most of the board who posts has rallied around the slightly above average player and is blaming everyone else, whereas maybe Angel is a bit of a momma's boy who needs to be closer to mom. It happens a lot.
dax,
out of curiousity, do you really think angel is "slightly above average"? i mean he was a sophomore that made all defense and second team all conf. that's more than what jake did his sophomore year. would that then make jake just average?
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
well, that answers that question. thanks captain.
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
so you're saying the trashcan sweeps have turned up no Angel receipts?
-
No idea on your original question, but 2nd team all big 12 = slightly above average?
Jake sucked too, IIRC.
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
well, that answers that question. thanks captain.
Welp. Makes me sad and prob is a window into recruiting going forward. Also, lol at us pulling a mystransfer w nba talent if we are low bidder on a kid that actually plays for us already.
-
One year ago we were beaten over the head with Frank had to go or else we wouldn't have a team. The posters who were aggressively pushing Shannon Spradling's agenda as a talking point have been unsurprisingly quiet tonight. Spin it CC, Dax, or GOSP. Jump back on those high horses and talk down to us about how this is actually good for us.
2) I disputed the hysteria that oscar is an awful coach. I'll even double-down on that position. I think we'll be good next year even without Angel.
I was concerned about where our primary scoring would come from with out Rodney before Angel decided to leave, and at that point, my concern was Angel transitioning to more of a scorer. Now where is our scoring going to come from? Shane and Gip are the only ones left who provided much in that manner.
So, here we sit losing players and scrambling for spring recruits to fill their spots with and Sprads is one of our top three scoring options for next yr.
That should worry you a lot.
:bang:
Didn't he average like 20 a game when he played in Europe a couple of summers ago? Will's got this.
:goodbyecruelworld: Just a case my aim is as accurate as Will's jumper......:goodbyecruelworld: :goodbyecruelworld: :goodbyecruelworld:
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
so you're saying the trashcan sweeps have turned up no Angel receipts?
Not a K-State issue
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
well, that answers that question. thanks captain.
Welp. Makes me sad and prob is a window into recruiting going forward. Also, lol at us pulling a mystransfer w nba talent if we are low bidder on a kid that actually plays for us already.
Not about Angel
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
Financial toughness?
Maybe so . . . I know that K-State has several big donors who reside at least part time, if not full time in Florida. Certainly those people have connections in the region that have operations in PR. Why can't they set up some sort of well paying job through a 3rd party for Angel's mom that gets funded by K-State boosters via, oh, an "investment". Hell, two of our biggest boosters are top dogs at Bain, I'm sure they have holdings in PR.
Mrs. Rodriguez you're the new administration assistant at ___________ company LLC, your salary is $85K a year, and your hours are Monday from 11:15am until Lunch every 2nd Monday, and you have unlimited vacation and sick days.
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
-
Hey, maybe Angel is kind of a little pussy.
Has that been discussed yet?
He has been playing on bum knees for like three yrs. I don't think this is it.
Two different things really, there's athletic physical and mental toughness, and then there's emotional toughness.
another toughness is war toughness, like our soldiers in afghanistan
another one is food toughness, like the guy on Man vs Food has
another one is sleep toughness, like the 18 wheeler truckers who drive all night long
another one is climate toughness, people who live in the desert, people who hike mt everest, eskimos
another one is gun toughness, tupac was shot 5 times (2x in the head) and checked out of the hospital 3 hours after surgery
tons of different types
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
This word Sudoku has me stumped man.
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
-
How can it not be about Angel if the financial thing is true. I mean, either he, his fam, or his handler(shakey?) have asked for money and he is either transferring for it or going pro for it. If Angel isn't the one in need, that doesn't matter. He seems to be willing to leave to get it regardless of who it is for, if this is indeed what is meant by the financial comment.
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
Cheat is a strong word, not what I would use
-
Dad hated Denis so hard when Denis played
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
Cheat is a strong word, not what I would use
Then we(KSU) should (cheat some other word CC would use) to satisfy Angel's fam and keep him here.
-
Dad hated Denis so hard when Denis played
Did your dad yell at the TV a lot when Dennis played?
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
Cheat is a strong word, not what I would use
Then we(KSU) should (cheat some other word CC would use) to satisfy Angel's fam and keep him here.
Difficult to physically move KSU campus to Florida...
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
Cheat is a strong word, not what I would use
Then we(KSU) should (cheat some other word CC would use) to satisfy Angel's fam and keep him here.
Difficult to physically move KSU campus to Florida...
This discussion seems to be bouncing around a lot.
-
If that was the intent then not sure why the school sent out a press release yesterday before the semester ended and before any leaks had hit the media.
"before any leaks had hit the media" is factually incorrect. thanks for answering questions when possible even though some of our posters are dipshits.
-
Is cheat the right word for the jamar situation?
If his family is still in PR, how many games (realistically) are they going to see him play in person? Schedule a series in Miami like we did with jake, tay and rod, and get on with it.
-
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
Fair enough, just sharing my own opinion, and not really all the butthurt. I just thought your "slightly above average" remark was a little much.
-
skin toughness, some people never get sunburned. how can they do it?
noise toughness, i hate loud noises so i lack noise toughness, but let's talk about the guy who loves rock concerts at night and working construction during the day with a jackhammer.
-
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
Fair enough, just sharing my own opinion, and not really all the butthurt. I just thought your "slightly above average" remark was a little much.
OH MY GOD LOOK HOW BUTTHURT KSU_FAN IS!
-
I'll be happy as crap if we make the tournament but there is no way I will give him a sliver of credit for coaching up this situation he created.
Thanks MIR. That was exactly my point.
-
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
Fair enough, just sharing my own opinion, and not really all the butthurt. I just thought your "slightly above average" remark was a little much.
OH MY GOD LOOK HOW BUTTHURT KSU_FAN IS!
:thumbsup:
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
Cheat is a strong word, not what I would use
Then we(KSU) should (cheat some other word CC would use) to satisfy Angel's fam and keep him here.
Difficult to physically move KSU campus to Florida...
Here's the thing. You originally implied that it was financial motives. How many times would he realistically be able to travel from KSU to Florida/PR during the school year, even with an unlimited budget? If it's to be closer to family, that's entirely different from needing more money.
-
Friction toughness is one.
Startle toughness is one I don't have. I always yell really loudly when I've been startled. I have to for some reason. Once I was shaving and my dog slowly nudged the bathroom door open as it wasn't securely latched and the door handle of the door gently pushed into my butt crack and I turned around and screamed to high hell right in my dog's face. I knew once I had turned around that it wasn't some brazen intruder who had broken in and groped my backdoor (my initial fear), but I still had to yell right at him. I couldn't stop it. Involuntary.
-
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
Fair enough, just sharing my own opinion, and not really all the butthurt. I just thought your "slightly above average" remark was a little much.
OH MY GOD LOOK HOW BUTTHURT KSU_FAN IS!
Truth
There's Plaza Toughness and East of Troost Toughness.
-
If we had like a bunch of guards who were also "slightly above average" it probably wouldn't sting so much. Unfortunately, our perimeter players are probably going to rank "decidedly less than average" on the scale dax has brought to us.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
:lol:
LOOK _FAN, YOU CAN ROLL OUT ALL THE STATISTICS YOU WANT
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
:lol:
LOOK _FAN, YOU CAN ROLL OUT ALL THE STATISTICS YOU WANT
You're on hour 87 of your Angel Rage Kougs, come on man.
-
Did Angel just get accused of looking for a school to pay him?
Not by me. It's not about Angel.
so his family wants to get paid and Angel doesn't? It sounds a lot like you're accusing someone in Angel's circle of wanting to cheat.
Cheat is a strong word, not what I would use
Then we(KSU) should (cheat some other word CC would use) to satisfy Angel's fam and keep him here.
Difficult to physically move KSU campus to Florida...
Here's the thing. You originally implied that it was financial motives. How many times would he realistically be able to travel from KSU to Florida/PR during the school year, even with an unlimited budget? If it's to be closer to family, that's entirely different from needing more money.
Angel wants to be closer to his family, always has. Been an issue with him since he enrolled. There are some things that K-State will never be able to offer that other places can in terms of location. Whatever you want K-State to do for Angel, it won't change that fact. But other people will benefit from having Angel closer to home.
-
"Miami will slip money to Angel's family if he transfers to play for them."
- captaincrap
-
So, Angel gets his proximity toughness issues resolved and whoever is coordinating this gets paid for their troubs by whoever ends up with Angel.
Win/Win for all involved other than us.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
-
Angel wants to be closer to his family, always has. Been an issue with him since he enrolled. There are some things that K-State will never be able to offer that other places can in terms of location. Whatever you want K-State to do for Angel, it won't change that fact. But other people will benefit from having Angel closer to home.
Frank kind of talked about that (http://whb-am.tritondigitalmedia.com/page.php?page_id=140) yesterday on the Border Patrol.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
Well, by golly, if a guy doesn't equal Jacob Pullen by his senior year, we don't need 'im!
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
Well, by golly, if a guy doesn't equal Jacob Pullen by his senior year, we don't need 'im!
That's not what I'm saying Kougs, but you and most are acting like he's not replaceable. He doesn't want to be at K-State, and it has nothing to do with the coaching staff, administration or the school.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
I guess I don't necessarily disagree that angel would have become our all time leading scorer, but I don't think that it's absurd or baseless to assume that given the comparative production so far, angel could have "equalled" jakes overall production.
-
"sophomore second team all big 12 and all league defense=slightly above average"
:lol:
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
Well, by golly, if a guy doesn't equal Jacob Pullen by his senior year, we don't need 'im!
That's not what I'm saying Kougs, but you and most are acting like he's not replaceable. He doesn't want to be at K-State, and it has nothing to do with the coaching staff, administration or the school.
He's not remotely replaceable with anyone currently on our roster, so...
-
That's not what I'm saying Kougs, but you and most are acting like he's not replaceable. He doesn't want to be at K-State, and it has nothing to do with the coaching staff, administration or the school.
FWIW, I tend to agree more with this statement than others. Granted, this doesn't displace the responsibility on oscar for the program and winning, because its still 100% his. Its a lot tougher when you lose good players that still have eligibility remaining.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
While he would never be the scorer Denny and Jake were, he was headed to be the starting pg and the primary playmaker on a team that went to the NCAAs for all of his 4 years joining Henson as the only other cat to do it. They would of been 1a and 1b for best pg in school history in my opinion.
-
Losing Players Toughness is a good one, too.
I am low on this myself.
-
Everyone stfu with the angel vs jake stuff. We need to hear about "financial toughness".
-
That's not what I'm saying Kougs, but you and most are acting like he's not replaceable. He doesn't want to be at K-State, and it has nothing to do with the coaching staff, administration or the school.
FWIW, I tend to agree more with this statement than others. Granted, this doesn't displace the responsibility on oscar for the program and winning, because its still 100% his.
Nothing we can do, Miami is giving his family cash.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
While he would never be the scorer Denny and Jake were, he was headed to be the starting pg and the primary playmaker on a team that went to the NCAAs for all of his 4 years joining Henson as the only other cat to do it. They would of been 1a and 1b for best pg in school history in my opinion.
The only thing that kept Jake from going to the NCAA all 4 years was a bad schedule and bad coaching.
-
It was a long journey, but we've landed on the part of the thread where dax uses the "Frank was a bad coach" talking point.
-
Not Going To The NCAA's Toughness is another good one.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
While he would never be the scorer Denny and Jake were, he was headed to be the starting pg and the primary playmaker on a team that went to the NCAAs for all of his 4 years joining Henson as the only other cat to do it. They would of been 1a and 1b for best pg in school history in my opinion.
The only thing that kept Jake from going to the NCAA all 4 years was a bad schedule and bad coaching.
bad coaching is pretty much the reason everyone who has ever not made the tourny has not made the tourny
-
That's not what I'm saying Kougs, but you and most are acting like he's not replaceable. He doesn't want to be at K-State, and it has nothing to do with the coaching staff, administration or the school.
FWIW, I tend to agree more with this statement than others. Granted, this doesn't displace the responsibility on oscar for the program and winning, because its still 100% his. Its a lot tougher when you lose good players that still have eligibility remaining.
Using the word nothing in this instance is either an exaggeration or dishonesty.
Complely unrelated to the posts I just quoted but does the coaching staff or athletic department bear any responsibility for anything bad that has happened with Kansas State basketball the last 14 months? Every bit of negative news is met with some wild but vague unfounded rumor, none of which ever become confirmed. Seems weird, lots of coincidences and just bad luck I guess.
-
Bad Luck Toughness is another good one.
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
While he would never be the scorer Denny and Jake were, he was headed to be the starting pg and the primary playmaker on a team that went to the NCAAs for all of his 4 years joining Henson as the only other cat to do it. They would of been 1a and 1b for best pg in school history in my opinion.
The only thing that kept Jake from going to the NCAA all 4 years was a bad schedule and bad coaching.
bad coaching is pretty much the reason everyone who has ever not made the tourny has not made the tourny
I was simply answering in the context of not making the Tourney all 4 years.
Oh, and while we're on statistics, Jake did share the backcourt with Denny, and they were the 3rd most prolific backcourt Duo in K-State Basketball history in only 2 years together.
MIR you should stick to polling random college age kids, and could you share the "people of influence" at K-State who would be satisfied with the NIT.
-
That's not what I'm saying Kougs, but you and most are acting like he's not replaceable. He doesn't want to be at K-State, and it has nothing to do with the coaching staff, administration or the school.
FWIW, I tend to agree more with this statement than others. Granted, this doesn't displace the responsibility on oscar for the program and winning, because its still 100% his. Its a lot tougher when you lose good players that still have eligibility remaining.
Using the word nothing in this instance is either an exaggeration or dishonesty.
Complely unrelated to the posts I just quoted but does the coaching staff or athletic department bear any responsibility for anything bad that has happened with Kansas State basketball the last 14 months? Every bit of negative news is met with some wild but vague unfounded rumor, none of which ever become confirmed. Seems weird, lots of coincidences and just bad luck I guess.
. . . and you want to to talk about exaggeration?? :lol:
-
KITN toughness
-
These events should be great cause for celebration for K-State fans. Because the outcome will show that Weber is a really good coach who has found his place at K-State and knows exactly what he's doing. Or, it will be the end of Weber and K-State can hire a new coach.
The MIR talking point of (unnamed) "people of influence" being satisfied with the NIT has no standing in my comments.
-
These events should be great cause for celebration for K-State fans. Because the outcome will show that Weber is a really good coach who has found his place at K-State and knows exactly what he's doing. Or, it will be the end of Weber and K-State can hire a new coach.
oh it could definitely be somewhere between the two.
Remember when everyone said Frank would do spectacularly well or flame out horribly? Yeah, he just did pretty good.
-
oscar Weber can never win an NCAA tournament game and still be coaching here 6 years from now (IMHO). In fact he could probably make the NCAA 1 out of three years and still coach as long as he wants. He will always need time to find "just the right pieces" for his specific system. It could be next year!
-
These events should be great cause for celebration for K-State fans. Because the outcome will show that Weber is a really good coach who has found his place at K-State and knows exactly what he's doing. Or, it will be the end of Weber and K-State can hire a new coach.
I don't think so. I think plenty of ppl will be able to justify failure due to graduating important players(JO, Rod, Tay) and losing a player that was another coach's players (diaz & angel) and having to recruit last minute to fill some of those gaps.
I could see some ppl actually giving oscar extra time for this scenario because a couple of hard circumstances out of his control caused his team to be extremely young and inexperienced.
-
I get the gE fear of a ridiculous amount of patience based on the Altburidge era, but I think its a little paranoid. We won't see Wooly type patience ever again, maybe Asbury, but definitely not Wooly.
-
grat's Angel's family and friends that are getting paid.
-
I get the gE fear of a ridiculous amount of patience based on the Altburidge era, but I think its a little paranoid. We won't see Wooly type patience ever again, maybe Asbury, but definitely not Wooly.
Not supporting your coach through tough times means you aren't a real fan, FWIW.
-
oscar earned a minimum of five more years when he won the coference. Sorry, everyone.
-
oscar Weber can never win an NCAA tournament game and still be coaching here 6 years from now (IMHO). In fact he could probably make the NCAA 1 out of three years and still coach as long as he wants. He will always need time to find "just the right pieces" for his specific system. It could be next year!
This is very likely unless Currie has moved on. Bottoming out in 13'-14' is prolly better for oscar than 14-15 when he would only have had 2 years left on his contract.
-
I get the gE fear of a ridiculous amount of patience based on the Altburidge era, but I think its a little paranoid. We won't see Wooly type patience ever again, maybe Asbury, but definitely not Wooly.
You won't see Wooly-like results, but you'll see Wooly-like patience based on our new, higher expectations. It's just that instead of hoping for an NIT run next year we'll be hopeful for an NCAA run next year.
-
This is all so depressing.
-
sonofdaxjones is our Hawk Harrelson.
-
bun toughness. i was eating lunch just now and the lady next to me was eating a burger and using lettuce as the bun. i would not be able to do that, gross. but, she had bun toughness and i don't. it's what makes the world go around.
-
_fan is kind of close.
Most here are paranoid and rightfully so, however Weber won't be allowed to stick around for 5 years and not do anything. He's to expensive, even with our much higher revenues as an athletic department, the basketball program can't be allowed to wallow around in the NIT for too long while paying a coach nearly $2 million dollars a year.
He gets 3 maybe 4 years tops IMO.
WW . . . hardly.
-
He will be solely be judged on 2015-2016 year, When all these recruits are Juniors... anything before that year doesn't matter.
-
He will be solely be judged on 2015-2016 year, When all these recruits are Juniors... anything before that year doesn't matter.
it does to me. also, i hate you.
-
I hope Miami gets bigtime probation for tampering.
-
I get the gE fear of a ridiculous amount of patience based on the Altburidge era, but I think its a little paranoid. We won't see Wooly type patience ever again, maybe Asbury, but definitely not Wooly.
What about the gE fear that the Weber hire was a complete goat eff from the beginning and this mass exodus is confirmation?
-
He will be solely be judged on 2015-2016 year, When all these recruits are Juniors... anything before that year doesn't matter.
Absurd
-
Oh, and Angel is not now, and will likely never equal Jake or Denny IMO.
Really? (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez&p2=denis-clemente)
Look, I get your points about the situation, but Angel is comparable to Denis as a senior and Pullen as a SO. He didn't score quite as efficiently as either, but in every other important guard statistic he is equal or better. He was on pace to realistically be compared with Steve Henson for his tenure at K-State.
Look _fan, you can roll out all the statistics you want, and get all butthurt about my comments, buy my opinion remains, he's not the baller that Jake or Denny were.
He's the baller jake was at the same point in their careers from a production stand point. Who Jake ended up being was not who he was as a soph.
He wouldn't have equaled Jr or Sr. Jake, and I don't think he would have equaled Jr. or Sr. Denny either IMO.
While he would never be the scorer Denny and Jake were, he was headed to be the starting pg and the primary playmaker on a team that went to the NCAAs for all of his 4 years joining Henson as the only other cat to do it. They would of been 1a and 1b for best pg in school history in my opinion.
The only thing that kept Jake from going to the NCAA all 4 years was a bad schedule and bad coaching.
bad coaching is pretty much the reason everyone who has ever not made the tourny has not made the tourny
I was simply answering in the context of not making the Tourney all 4 years.
Oh, and while we're on statistics, Jake did share the backcourt with Denny, and they were the 3rd most prolific backcourt Duo in K-State Basketball history in only 2 years together.
MIR you should stick to polling random college age kids, and could you share the "people of influence" at K-State who would be satisfied with the NIT.
I was wondering why you kept ranting about the NIT thing, I've figured it out. I was referring to winning the NIT not making the NIT. Learn how to read and comprehend you crazy old eff.
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
people of influence might be semantics, but as a townie living in town i can tell you without a hint of doubt that a ton of people would love (not just be satisfied) to win the NIT. just making the finals would make a lot of people beyond excited.
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
people of influence might be semantics, but as a townie living in town i can tell you without a hint of doubt that a ton of people would love (not just be satisfied) to win the NIT. just making the finals would make a lot of people beyond excited.
Over 50% of K-State's alumni don't even live in Kansas, a significant portion of the expanded list of major donors to K-State athletics don't live in Kansas. The influence of a certain group of football centric donors has diminished since K-State athletics expanded their major donor targets. The demand for Bramlage (men's basketball) to produce bigger financial numbers has increased significantly in the past few years, K-State basketball gross revenues are up $3 to $5 million dollars per year over the last few years. Like any business entity, production at that level is now built into the financial projections. There are only two sport at K-State that make money, women's basketball losses money hand over fist. Even with the projected much larger financial payouts from the conference, K-State's budget has grown by $15 or so million dollars just in the last 2 or 3 years. K-State budget will grow even more by necessity because while there have been major cash in hand donations, and major pledges to donate, there's a lot more debt to service while those major donations are coming in.
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
people of influence might be semantics, but as a townie living in town i can tell you without a hint of doubt that a ton of people would love (not just be satisfied) to win the NIT. just making the finals would make a lot of people beyond excited.
Over 50% of K-State's alumni don't even live in Kansas, a significant portion of the expanded list of major donors to K-State athletics don't live in Kansas. The influence of a certain group of football centric donors has diminished since K-State athletics expanded their major donor targets. The demand for Bramlage (men's basketball) to produce bigger financial numbers has increased significantly in the past few years, K-State basketball gross revenues are up $3 to $5 million dollars per year over the last few years. Like any business entity, production at that level is now built into the financial projections. There are only two sport at K-State that make money, women's basketball losses money hand over fist. Even with the projected much larger financial payouts from the conference, K-State's budget has grown by $15 or so million dollars just in the last 2 or 3 years. K-State budget will grow even more by necessity because while there have been major cash in hand donations, and major pledges to donate, there's a lot more debt to service while those major donations are coming in.
sure.
but/also, townies and people in ks are the people that buy the tickets and show up to the games. just because they may not live in palo alto and get called on by the foundation and the athletic dept and solicited to donate 250k doesn't mean that they don't have influence. they're also the people that sit next to atheltic dept employees during dinner and/or bump into laird veatch at the grade school when he's picking up his kids. there is some influence in all of that, dax.
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
people of influence might be semantics, but as a townie living in town i can tell you without a hint of doubt that a ton of people would love (not just be satisfied) to win the NIT. just making the finals would make a lot of people beyond excited.
Over 50% of K-State's alumni don't even live in Kansas, a significant portion of the expanded list of major donors to K-State athletics don't live in Kansas. The influence of a certain group of football centric donors has diminished since K-State athletics expanded their major donor targets. The demand for Bramlage (men's basketball) to produce bigger financial numbers has increased significantly in the past few years, K-State basketball gross revenues are up $3 to $5 million dollars per year over the last few years. Like any business entity, production at that level is now built into the financial projections. There are only two sport at K-State that make money, women's basketball losses money hand over fist. Even with the projected much larger financial payouts from the conference, K-State's budget has grown by $15 or so million dollars just in the last 2 or 3 years. K-State budget will grow even more by necessity because while there have been major cash in hand donations, and major pledges to donate, there's a lot more debt to service while those major donations are coming in.
sure.
but/also, townies and people in ks are the people that buy the tickets and show up to the games. just because they may not live in palo alto and get called on by the foundation and the athletic dept and solicited to donate 250k doesn't mean that they don't have influence. they're also the people that sit next to atheltic dept employees during dinner and/or bump into laird veatch at the grade school when he's picking up his kids. there is some influence in all of that, dax.
I think you both have excellent points
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
people of influence might be semantics, but as a townie living in town i can tell you without a hint of doubt that a ton of people would love (not just be satisfied) to win the NIT. just making the finals would make a lot of people beyond excited.
Over 50% of K-State's alumni don't even live in Kansas, a significant portion of the expanded list of major donors to K-State athletics don't live in Kansas. The influence of a certain group of football centric donors has diminished since K-State athletics expanded their major donor targets. The demand for Bramlage (men's basketball) to produce bigger financial numbers has increased significantly in the past few years, K-State basketball gross revenues are up $3 to $5 million dollars per year over the last few years. Like any business entity, production at that level is now built into the financial projections. There are only two sport at K-State that make money, women's basketball losses money hand over fist. Even with the projected much larger financial payouts from the conference, K-State's budget has grown by $15 or so million dollars just in the last 2 or 3 years. K-State budget will grow even more by necessity because while there have been major cash in hand donations, and major pledges to donate, there's a lot more debt to service while those major donations are coming in.
sure.
but/also, townies and people in ks are the people that buy the tickets and show up to the games. just because they may not live in palo alto and get called on by the foundation and the athletic dept and solicited to donate 250k doesn't mean that they don't have influence. they're also the people that sit next to atheltic dept employees during dinner and/or bump into laird veatch at the grade school when he's picking up his kids. there is some influence in all of that, dax.
Way to much Wefald administration thinking in some of the responses. The old regime is long gone. I just completely disagree with any notion that the current administration is going to sit back and be happy with the NIT repeatedly just because some townies think it's perfectly okay. Bramlage will have 8,000 a game, and thousands of seats that WERE NOT part of the required donation pool years ago, but are now will sit empty. That hopefully trumps townies almost every time.
K-State has many millions more in financial obligations now than it did even 3 or 4 years ago. Higher conference revenue or not, the margins between profitability/comfort and sweating it out become a lot thinner if one of the only two athletic programs that makes money has its revenues plummet.
-
That's just semantics MIR, now, could you please start naming some names on who these people of influence are, who would be satisfied with the NIT, or an NIT Championship?
people of influence might be semantics, but as a townie living in town i can tell you without a hint of doubt that a ton of people would love (not just be satisfied) to win the NIT. just making the finals would make a lot of people beyond excited.
Over 50% of K-State's alumni don't even live in Kansas, a significant portion of the expanded list of major donors to K-State athletics don't live in Kansas. The influence of a certain group of football centric donors has diminished since K-State athletics expanded their major donor targets. The demand for Bramlage (men's basketball) to produce bigger financial numbers has increased significantly in the past few years, K-State basketball gross revenues are up $3 to $5 million dollars per year over the last few years. Like any business entity, production at that level is now built into the financial projections. There are only two sport at K-State that make money, women's basketball losses money hand over fist. Even with the projected much larger financial payouts from the conference, K-State's budget has grown by $15 or so million dollars just in the last 2 or 3 years. K-State budget will grow even more by necessity because while there have been major cash in hand donations, and major pledges to donate, there's a lot more debt to service while those major donations are coming in.
sure.
but/also, townies and people in ks are the people that buy the tickets and show up to the games. just because they may not live in palo alto and get called on by the foundation and the athletic dept and solicited to donate 250k doesn't mean that they don't have influence. they're also the people that sit next to atheltic dept employees during dinner and/or bump into laird veatch at the grade school when he's picking up his kids. there is some influence in all of that, dax.
I think you both have excellent points
that's because they are both excellent points.
-
My points have a higher level of excellence.
:billdance:
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
Not sure if you are saying I am the AD, but I never said anything about anyone getting paid.
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
Not sure if you are saying I am the AD, but I never said anything about anyone getting paid.
it was strongly implied
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
Not sure if you are saying I am the AD, but I never said anything about anyone getting paid.
it was strongly implied
very strongly
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
Not sure if you are saying I am the AD, but I never said anything about anyone getting paid.
Playing word games with people are just as smart if not smarter than you seems like a losing proposition.
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
Not sure if you are saying I am the AD, but I never said anything about anyone getting paid.
Playing word games with people are just as smart if not smarter than you seems like a losing proposition.
No word games my friend :)
-
Word game issues
-
word game toughness
#hardcorescrabble
-
Is the happiness with an NIT and Jake vs. Angel discussion like, way more boring than our AD putting out rumors that Angel is transferring because Angel (or people close to Angel) will get paid?
Not sure if you are saying I am the AD, but I never said anything about anyone getting paid.
Playing word games with people are just as smart if not smarter than you seems like a losing proposition.
No word games my friend :)
Are we going to dime out Miami for tampering?
-
when i read through yesterday's discussion with ccrap, i assumed his initial reference to financial toughness was a hint to expect art to go pro rather than end up at another school. i was surprised everyone who responded to him immediately jumped on it as a reference to weird clumsy cheating instead.
-
Currie should confiscate Angel's cellphone and search for Miami text messages
-
when i read through yesterday's discussion with ccrap, i assumed his initial reference to financial toughness was a hint to expect art to go pro rather than end up at another school. i was surprised everyone who responded to him immediately jumped on it as a reference to weird clumsy cheating instead.
WORD GAMES
-
when i read through yesterday's discussion with ccrap, i assumed his initial reference to financial toughness was a hint to expect art to go pro rather than end up at another school. i was surprised everyone who responded to him immediately jumped on it as a reference to weird clumsy cheating instead.
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
-
when i read through yesterday's discussion with ccrap, i assumed his initial reference to financial toughness was a hint to expect art to go pro rather than end up at another school. i was surprised everyone who responded to him immediately jumped on it as a reference to weird clumsy cheating instead.
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
You're adding a word to what I said:
Angel wants to be closer to his family, always has. Been an issue with him since he enrolled. There are some things that K-State will never be able to offer that other places can in terms of location. Whatever you want K-State to do for Angel, it won't change that fact. But other people will benefit from having Angel closer to home.
-
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
yeah, he was vague and a little backpedally; i'm by no means sure my initial supposition was correct. but since he's repeatedly and forcefully (for him) denied trying to hint at cheating, it seems like a more productive avenue for continued questioning, if people still wish to engage him.
-
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
yeah, he was vague and a little backpedally; i'm by no means sure my initial supposition was correct. but since he's repeatedly and forcefully (for him) denied trying to hint at cheating, it seems like a more productive avenue for continued questioning, if people still wish to engage him.
I also assumed he meant trying his hand at professional basketball. I now don't think that's what he meant though.
-
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
yeah, he was vague and a little backpedally; i'm by no means sure my initial supposition was correct. but since he's repeatedly and forcefully (for him) denied trying to hint at cheating, it seems like a more productive avenue for continued questioning, if people still wish to engage him.
Trying to give context for his departure. Obviously can't get into specifics, so toeing the line on info will mean it will sometimes be vague or open to interpretation. Just want to make sure it's not being taken as an accusation of paying players, never meant to imply that.
-
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
yeah, he was vague and a little backpedally; i'm by no means sure my initial supposition was correct. but since he's repeatedly and forcefully (for him) denied trying to hint at cheating, it seems like a more productive avenue for continued questioning, if people still wish to engage him.
Trying to give context for his departure. Obviously can't get into specifics, so toeing the line on info will mean it will sometimes be vague or open to interpretation. Just want to make sure it's not being taken as an accusation of paying players, never meant to imply that.
You didn't do a very good job of not implying that but i will take your word for it
-
I think its the implication that his family (or people close him) were/are getting paid.
-
I think its the implication that his family (or people close him) were/are getting paid.
This is how I took it. That the change won't financially benefit Angel directly, but others would.
I also took it as not simply being the cost diff of plane tickets.
-
it was announced Angel was transferring, not going pro. cc also said Angel wouldn't get paid, but people close to him would benefit financially. So those facts probably had a lot to do with my reaction.
yeah, he was vague and a little backpedally; i'm by no means sure my initial supposition was correct. but since he's repeatedly and forcefully (for him) denied trying to hint at cheating, it seems like a more productive avenue for continued questioning, if people still wish to engage him.
Trying to give context for his departure. Obviously can't get into specifics, so toeing the line on info will mean it will sometimes be vague or open to interpretation. Just want to make sure it's not being taken as an accusation of paying players, never meant to imply that.
Well, pretty much everyone assumed he was wanting to go home, and really, were pretty satisfied with that explanation (but still blame oscar somewhat, which isn't entirely unreasonable.)
Coming in and hinting at a lack of "financial toughness" at worst sounds like an accusation of cheating and at best implies Angel is leaving because his family is poor but will benefit financially because of the move. Do you think your addition is a better explanation than just "wanting to be closer to home"?
Who does that additional context benefit? Certainly not Angel.
-
"I can't tell you why but you are all wrong and stupid and overreacting"
-
"I can't tell you why but you are all wrong and stupid and overreacting"
that's echoed a lot here, by a lot of people
-
Still trying to figure out what oscar Weber could have done to alter the situation.
-Give Angel the most minutes this last year?
-Told Angel to take more shots?
-Smiled when Angel had one of his regular "WTF" plays instead of just frown a little?
-Chew Angel out relentlessly, following him all the way to his seat, then go back to his seat and continue to berate Angel while pretending to talk to an assistant?
What exactly??
Golly ,Sexy Shane tweeted last night that this is the happiest he's been in years playing the game of basketball, and it showed this last season. Finally out of the glaring eye of Frank Martin who hounded him relentlessly for every single little mistake.
Confounding, I tell ya . . . confounding.
-
Is this like when Wilt left KU early because he felt he let the school down in the NCAA tournament?
:dunno:
-
I think the confusion is this: if i is just "closer to home" then fine. But if it is transfer (not pro) to be closer to home And financial reasons it seems an odd pairing considering crossing an ocean is involved. I mean if he goes pro, then whatever, but if he transfers to miami and his mom stays in puerto rico and he visits her (or her him) with the same frequency as now, then angel just wanted to not be at ksu. I mean I guess a connecing flight from dallas instead of a direct from miami could be the culprit. Some of reasons just seem inconsistent with the reality of their result.
-
Some tweets claiming to be close to the team were saying that there was a lot of favoritism in and out of the locker room and that was a major factor for Angel to leave. Same guy also said that angel is not a quiet guy and that he has no doubt that angel will clear the air on this soon.
-
Some tweets claiming to be close to the team were saying that there was a lot of favoritism in and out of the locker room and that was a major factor for Angel to leave. Same guy also said that angel is not a quiet guy and that he has no doubt that angel will clear the air on this soon.
Hmm, favoritism. Like when one player only gets chewed for every third mistake, but another gets hammered for just blinking wrong?
-
Some tweets claiming to be close to the team were saying that there was a lot of favoritism in and out of the locker room and that was a major factor for Angel to leave. Same guy also said that angel is not a quiet guy and that he has no doubt that angel will clear the air on this soon.
Hmm, favoritism. Like when one player only gets chewed for every third mistake, but another gets hammered for just blinking wrong?
It probably depends. I mean, part of leading is understanding the correct way to motivate each member of your team.
-
Isn't favortism in athletics more often than not demonstrated in things like playing time??
Or did oscar often override Angel's resturant preference for things like Sonic instead?
-
yeah, the favortism thing is bullshit. He's obviously not financially tough.
-
I'm sticking with the "Wilt Thesis." Not tournament tough.
-
Nothing says you're not a favorite like playing the 2nd most minutes on the team.
Frankites currently desperate to find anything. Sad
-
Isn't favortism in athletics more often than not demonstrated in things like playing time??
Or did oscar often override Angel's resturant preference for things like Sonic instead?
Good question. Who knows what is important to Angel or the other individuals. A good leader should know that stuff too.
The frankite thing is not relevant here, btw.
-
Isn't favortism in athletics more often than not demonstrated in things like playing time??
Or did oscar often override Angel's resturant preference for things like Sonic instead?
Good question. Who knows what is important to Angel or the other individuals. A good leader should know that stuff too.
The frankite thing is not relevant here, btw.
Sure it is, because you can see the desperation, every little thing pointing elsewhere besides the current staff as to why Angel is leaving . . . and the Frankites really can't hide their disappointment.
You're channeling your inner Frankite with this whole "a good leader" line of BS.
-
Isn't favortism in athletics more often than not demonstrated in things like playing time??
Or did oscar often override Angel's resturant preference for things like Sonic instead?
Good question. Who knows what is important to Angel or the other individuals. A good leader should know that stuff too.
The frankite thing is not relevant here, btw.
Sure it is, because you can see the desperation, every little thing pointing elsewhere besides the current staff as to why Angel is leaving . . . and the Frankites really can't hide their disappointment.
You're channeling your inner Frankite with this whole "a good leader" line of BS.
Not so. you can apply my good leader notes toward pretty much anything and they are accurate. You seem like a guy who would understand that.
This has nothing to do with Frank and hasn't for a while now(for me at least).
Simply apply them against some information that came over twitter.
-
maybe art is transferring because weber showed favoritism against jhr by hardly playing him at all even though he was obviously one of the team's best players. cause that was some bullshit.
-
When I read a dax post, all I hear in my head is the tape repeating at the doomed Milli Vanilli concert.
-
Isn't favortism in athletics more often than not demonstrated in things like playing time??
Or did oscar often override Angel's resturant preference for things like Sonic instead?
Good question. Who knows what is important to Angel or the other individuals. A good leader should know that stuff too.
The frankite thing is not relevant here, btw.
Sure it is, because you can see the desperation, every little thing pointing elsewhere besides the current staff as to why Angel is leaving . . . and the Frankites really can't hide their disappointment.
You're channeling your inner Frankite with this whole "a good leader" line of BS.
You sure talk about Frank quite a bit, like, more than is reasonable. I've got a framed picture of the man on my wall, right next to my Frank Martin autographed basketball, and I can't remember my last post about Frank. Get over it dude.
-
dax is definitely the most butthurt of all about Frank leaving.
-
FTR, I think it is still ok to miss frank, but not ok to still be comparing everything to him or wishing him failure. A full season later, we officially have crossed the WGAF line and should be comparing oscar to coaches we should hire rather than coaches we already fired.
-
It's easy to bring out the Frankites, particularly Kougs. I can't mention Frank anywhere without drawing a response from Kougs, he's like the dumb coyote who comes running at the sounds of the bleating rabbit, and then BLAM, the .223 right in the skull.
-
dax is definitely the most butthurt of all about Frank leaving.
i dunno, there's some pretty tough competition.
-
It's easy to bring out the Frankites, particularly Kougs. I can't mention Frank anywhere without drawing a response from Kougs, he's like the dumb coyote who comes running at the sounds of the bleating rabbit, and then BLAM, the .223 right in the skull.
Another violent threat? Tsk tsk.
-
Frankites
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2FGoldbrick%2F1346997724936_zps47687821.jpg&hash=8b32f793f07c538d3e4a990872de89d0bf016207)
-
will ask! :thumbs: :fatty:
How did this conversation go, eh cap'n?
-
did not ask, #tictock
-
did not ask, #tictock
You're on the clock, which is ticking.
-
that's a good point about the clock but also wasn't sure i wanted to ask him b/c rick daris said maybe not to, #tock #eh?
-
that's a good point about the clock but also wasn't sure i wanted to ask him b/c rick daris said maybe not to, #tock #eh?
That's the same reason I thought you SHOULD ask him. Just shoot him an email and cc daris.
-
that's a good point about the clock but also wasn't sure i wanted to ask him b/c rick daris said maybe not to, #tock #eh?
That's the same reason I thought you SHOULD ask him. Just shoot him an email and cc daris.
bcc me
-
if i bring it up to him it will be face to face, #ticktock #eh? don't have his email address although i could fb message him.
-
can't wait to see how that little q&a goes down-
"oh hi _____, how are you doing today? daris told me that you used to do a bunch of coke with luke axtell and drove a chick to bonetown with him one night. care to comment on that? i mean i know you haven't seen daris in ten years, but he just brought it up in casual conversation to me the other day so i just figured i'd follow up with you on it. also, nice weather today, huh?"
-
No, don't bring daris into it. Just say something like "say, word on the street is ..."
-
ya it would definitely be a word on the street convo, #clocks
-
:lol:
-
This is all so depressing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSxCij9C8_0 <------ This :frown:
-
MANHATTAN — Leticia Romero says the Kansas State athletic department is blackmailing her.
Romero, a unanimous selection to the Big 12 All-Freshman team, said her request for a release from the women’s basketball team — submitted about a week ago — was recently denied.
K-State, Romero said, offered her a deal of sorts.
“They said we wanted to do the same thing they did with Angel (Rodriguez) for the men’s team, and they said that they weren’t going to give me the release this year,” Romero told The Topeka Capital-Journal on Tuesday afternoon. “They wanted me to try one year, and in one year if I didn’t like it, they would give me a release.
“I really saw this as blackmail.”
Romero said she’s not changing her mind, and she will take her case before an appeals committee at 2 p.m. Wednesday.
The committee’s ruling will be final either way. If it rules against Romero, she would be unable to transfer with a scholarship for a year.
The consequences of that decision, Romero said, would be extremely trying for her family.
“I will have to sit for a year anyways, but I will have to pay for my scholarship,” Romero said, “and that’s something I can’t do. My parents … the situation in Spain is really bad right now. They could lose their jobs (at any time).”
Romero, who led K-State in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals last season, said Mittie cautioned her through team managers of her chances to win the appeal.
“I am kind of afraid of the committee because coach Mittie told some of the mangers that he did some research, and that he saw that K-State players don’t usually win appeals,” Romero said. “So he told them to tell me. I’m afraid of not having a fair committee.
“All I want is a fair committee, and I think I have the right to (transfer). They have to right to change everything, and to change what I came for.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-04-15/romero-compares-k-states-release-refusal-blackmail
Financial toughness - serving out your indentured servitude to K-State for a year and leaving when the period ends.
“We know a little more about ourselves and you have to feel good,” Weber said. “At the same time, this time last year I felt good and two days later after the banquet Angel (Rodriguez) popped in (and transferred). This day in college basketball, you hold your breath.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-04-15/k-state-basketball-recovering-physical-season
Holding his breath for that whole year Angel was forced to stay seems stupid. Maybe the oxygen deprivation made him a little more brain-damaged.
-
I'm not sure she understands blackmail.
-
When rape is imminent, relax and enjoy it.
-
When rape is imminent, relax and enjoy it.
You got the Bob Knight quote wrong. His advice is for when rape is inevitable.
When rape is imminent, you run, obviously.
-
When rape is imminent, relax and enjoy it.
You got the Bob Knight quote wrong. His advice is for when rape is inevitable.
When rape is imminent, you run, obviously.
Well this is embarrassing.
-
not as embarrassing as this story.
-
i hope the "appeals committee" is rick daris and he remembers to bring his necktie-seeking nightstick
-
massa currie? this crap makes my blood boil
-
Thank God for the GRCOAT policy.
-
Maybe we should've kept Frank and just told the mutiny members that they wouldn't be released (assuming Frank wouldn't have wanted to Frank them anyway). I guess the no-release thing doesn't work with shitty players who can drop a level and keep on trucking.
-
Shitty
-
I'm not sure she understands blackmail.
Yep just plain old run of the mill extortion. She also clearly does not understand it doesn't work as well if you tell everyone that it's being done to you. Amateur.
-
I'm burning it all the way down on this issue, it's complete crap. I refuse to allow these two SEC good ol boys embarrass this university without saying anything. And who in the hell does Jeff rough ridin' Mittie think he is? What the eff does his mid major ass know about the history of student athletes appeals at Kansas State? eff him too.
Good for Leti for putting this out there and telling the world about this stupid bullshit.
-
I'm confused. She wants to transfer. Will have to wait a year to play. Coaches tried to get her to stay. She isn't interested. Open and shut case. What am I missing?
-
that john currie is a butthole
-
Sad and embarrassing. What's worse: it wouldn't surprise me if much if the fan base takes Currie's side. These athletes only have a limited amount of time to play college sports, a letter of intent is only good for a year, and scholarships can be pulled at any time. Yet people still take administrator sides on issues like these (albeit not here on this particular issue so good work gE). It is incredibly frustrating
-
So...she would have to sit out a year and they are asking her to burn another year of her eligibility just to be sure about her decision?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi113.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn216%2Fwrfrancis%2Ftheswarm_zpsa855e43d.gif&hash=4e8d89786b14c6a48d4582bfa978814907028da8)
-
Obviously the girl should be given her release, but I was primarily interested in the Angel aspect of the story and that he wanted out when oscar was hired but was forced to stay or pay his own way for the transfer year (not sure if he was already mumped medically and would've had to pay for his own procedures although that might've been best given the history of free KSU hoops health care).
-
I'm confused. She wants to transfer. Will have to wait a year to play. Coaches tried to get her to stay. She isn't interested. Open and shut case. What am I missing?
She can't be on scholarship in the year she sits if we don't release her. She claims we did the same to Angel which is the only reason he stayed oscar's first year. You miss a lot.
-
I know many of you jump at any opportunity to make John Currie look bad, but a word of caution: using the word of Leti Romero to do so here is not going to end up being a good look.
-
I'm confused. She wants to transfer. Will have to wait a year to play. Coaches tried to get her to stay. She isn't interested. Open and shut case. What am I missing?
She can't be on scholarship in the year she sits if we don't release her. She claims we did the same to Angel which is the only reason he stayed oscar's first year. You miss a lot.
This is not accurate.
-
lol
it's a chicken shlt policy
-
I'm confused. She wants to transfer. Will have to wait a year to play. Coaches tried to get her to stay. She isn't interested. Open and shut case. What am I missing?
She can't be on scholarship in the year she sits if we don't release her. She claims we did the same to Angel which is the only reason he stayed oscar's first year. You miss a lot.
This is not accurate.
not accurate that this is what she's saying or not accurate that this is what happened?
-
Bosco's on the committee so I'm sure her thing will work out fine. Too bad Curt wasn't around to tell Angel who can make things right.
-
I'm confused. She wants to transfer. Will have to wait a year to play. Coaches tried to get her to stay. She isn't interested. Open and shut case. What am I missing?
She can't be on scholarship in the year she sits if we don't release her. She claims we did the same to Angel which is the only reason he stayed oscar's first year. You miss a lot.
This is not accurate.
not accurate that this is what she's saying or not accurate that this is what happened?
Second one.
-
:popcorn:
-
I'm confused. She wants to transfer. Will have to wait a year to play. Coaches tried to get her to stay. She isn't interested. Open and shut case. What am I missing?
She can't be on scholarship in the year she sits if we don't release her. She claims we did the same to Angel which is the only reason he stayed oscar's first year. You miss a lot.
This is not accurate.
not accurate that this is what she's saying or not accurate that this is what happened?
Second one.
good :thumbs:
-
it looks petty for the university to deny transfer to a college kid after they fired her coach. what does ksu gain by stopping her? bad pr imo
-
I'm sure it wasn't the ONLY reason he stayed.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crossed-flag-pins.com%2Fanimated-flag-gif%2Fgifs%2FPuerto-Rico_240-animated-flag-gifs.gif&hash=4576c18b9533cc4b45b9aad08a616ed2b758a78a)
-
Leti Romero: quitter, liar, Mexican
-
Remember when we refused to release GRCOAT? Good times.
-
We didn't fire Huggs
-
We didn't fire Huggs
how do you know that? looks like Skipper44 is in the pocket of Big Mercury
-
Stay tough Senior Administrators.
:thumbsup:
-
So, Romero is a liar? I mean, someone is in this type of a sitch. Is that the AD and committee's stance, that Romero is a liar?
-
I believe her.
-
I know many of you jump at any opportunity to make John Currie look bad, but a word of caution: using the word of Leti Romero to do so here is not going to end up being a good look.
My educated guess is that nothing more will come out one way or the other. What she said will stand as is, both uncorroborated and uncontradicted. You say this crap undercutting her on here (calling her a liar) and then nothing more will come to light. Just like when you talked all that vague crap about the big player mutiny under Frank and other possible unspecified terrible things that were going to come to pass had he remained and "oh gee hopefully I can say more later" and then you didn't say crap later. It just floated off into the ether. Maybe I missed it.
To me it's one thing to anonymously talk bad about a likely dickhead coach who left the program for another job (for whatever reason) without ever actually backing up any of your claims, but quite another to badmouth a player that wants to go elsewhere because her coach was fired. I mean if she's lying about Angel are you going to prove it? If not then shut the eff up is my take.
-
I just finished trying really hard to care about this. Couldn't.
-
Leti Romero: quitter, liar, Mexican
I mean the degree to which the anti-Currie fuckfaces around here are going to look foolish for believing this liar girl coward is going to be epic. Uber embarrassing for these fuckos.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
-
Stay strong ADJC, don't let other schools tamper with student-athletes that K-State has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on.
-
Will be allowed to transfer but not to the school she wants.
-
eh cap'n?
-
eh?
-
I know I should care more about this, but I don't. :frown:
-
Boss gonna Boss.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscottweaverphotos.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F02%2Fjohn-currie-001.jpg&hash=ace1ce24ea7d757e63ee0191a648710558e05c85)
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
This is a tampering situation and not a coaching change situation, same thing that happened at Wisconsin.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
This is a tampering situation and not a coaching change situation, same thing that happened at Wisconsin.
Did the coach she committed to and played for her first year not get fired? Zero % of her desire to leave is based on that? You know this of course because some fuckface sticking up for the AD has leaked it.
The primary reason Uthoff left Wisconsin was because he didn't want to be there. He didn't want to play for Bo. He decided it wasn't for him. It wasn't because he rough ridin' loved it, but Iowa swooped in and magically confused him and then led him astray. He was open to the enticement, because he wanted out. What a shitbrain talking point tampering is. It's just a justification for dickless fuckos like Currie to be petty and vindictive. To a college freshman.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
This is a tampering situation and not a coaching change situation, same thing that happened at Wisconsin.
Did the coach she committed to and played for her first year not get fired? Zero % of her desire to leave is based on that? You know this of course because some fuckface sticking up for the AD has leaked it.
The primary reason Uthoff left Wisconsin was because he didn't want to be there. He didn't want to play for Bo. He decided it wasn't for him. It wasn't because he rough ridin' loved it, but Iowa swooped in and magically confused him and then led him astray. He was open to the enticement, because he wanted out. What a shitbrain talking point tampering is. It's just a justification for dickless fuckos like Currie to be petty and vindictive. To a college freshman.
Don't give a crap why a players wants to leave, if there are signs of tampering you don't want to roll over. You don't want to become a target for future tampering. It is simple cause and effect, player gets tampered with ====> block transfer, make and big stink about it and eventually release player with certain provisions.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
I'd feel the same way if Illinois were doing this to a freshman who had her coach fired. It's an embarrassment. You don't really support it either, you're just trying to be cute.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
I'd feel the same way if Illinois were doing this to a freshman who had her coach fired. It's an embarrassment. You don't really support it either, you're just trying to be cute.
I support it fully if K-State legitimately believes the player has been tampered with.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
This is a tampering situation and not a coaching change situation, same thing that happened at Wisconsin.
Did the coach she committed to and played for her first year not get fired? Zero % of her desire to leave is based on that? You know this of course because some fuckface sticking up for the AD has leaked it.
The primary reason Uthoff left Wisconsin was because he didn't want to be there. He didn't want to play for Bo. He decided it wasn't for him. It wasn't because he rough ridin' loved it, but Iowa swooped in and magically confused him and then led him astray. He was open to the enticement, because he wanted out. What a shitbrain talking point tampering is. It's just a justification for dickless fuckos like Currie to be petty and vindictive. To a college freshman.
Don't give a crap why a players wants to leave, if there are signs of tampering you don't want to roll over. You don't want to become a target for future tampering. It is simple cause and effect, player gets tampered with ====> block transfer, make and big stink about it and eventually release player with certain provisions.
You think the people who "tampered" give a crap if Currie plays hard ball with her? Yeah, it'll never happen again because Currie made himself look like a dumbfuck in the press by being a tough guy to a girl from Spain. Excellent logic here. I know Bo Ryan came out looking amazing and Uthoff didn't end up at Iowa or anything. Mission accomplished, those dirty fucks won't ever do that again.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
I'd feel the same way if Illinois were doing this to a freshman who had her coach fired. It's an embarrassment. You don't really support it either, you're just trying to be cute.
I support it fully if K-State legitimately believes the player has been tampered with.
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
I'd feel the same way if Illinois were doing this to a freshman who had her coach fired. It's an embarrassment. You don't really support it either, you're just trying to be cute.
I support it fully if K-State legitimately believes the player has been tampered with.
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
You have no possible way of knowing if it will or won't stop tampering in the future. I mean seriously, not an effing clue about whether it will or won't happen.
You're just trying to suckle on the teat of the BID, Frankite, hate all things ADJC crowd. What are you afraid of, they won't sit with you at lunch?
It's a little sad.
-
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
This has been K-State policy for years and years, predating both UPKS and ADJC. It has been applied in numerous transfer cases, most of them you don't hear much about. The policy is mainly a way to protect the school from tampering and other situations -- the transfer is declined, the player appeals with a list of preferred schools to transfer to, the appeals board says yes or no to schools on the list, player leaves. That's how it goes.
In this case, someone in the ear of Leti recommended she contact members of the press to badmouth K-State. Suddenly, it's a "bad look for K-State". Yeah well no crap, because the player is saying it's a bad look.
K-State will probably make a statement once the appeals board rules, and will probably take the high road. But you can see how good Leti looks here just by reading Twitter comments of her teammates. And that's why siding with her without more info is probably a poor choice.
-
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
This has been K-State policy for years and years, predating both UPKS and ADJC. It has been applied in numerous transfer cases, most of them you don't hear much about. The policy is mainly a way to protect the school from tampering and other situations -- the transfer is declined, the player appeals with a list of preferred schools to transfer to, the appeals board says yes or no to schools on the list, player leaves. That's how it goes.
In this case, someone in the ear of Leti recommended she contact members of the press to badmouth K-State. Suddenly, it's a "bad look for K-State". Yeah well no crap, because the player is saying it's a bad look.
K-State will probably make a statement once the appeals board rules, and will probably take the high road. But you can see how good Leti looks here just by reading Twitter comments of her teammates. And that's why siding with her without more info is probably a poor choice.
CC bringing it strong and righteously as always.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
I'd feel the same way if Illinois were doing this to a freshman who had her coach fired. It's an embarrassment. You don't really support it either, you're just trying to be cute.
I support it fully if K-State legitimately believes the player has been tampered with.
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
You have no possible way of knowing if it will or won't stop tampering in the future. I mean seriously, not an effing clue about whether it will or won't happen.
You're just trying to suckle on the teat of the BID, Frankite, hate all things ADJC crowd. What are you afraid of, they won't sit with you at lunch?
It's a little sad.
I know that if I were the tampering school(s) I would enjoy the hell out of Currie looking like a dipshit over this and I'd most certainly do it again. If a K-State player other programs want looks ripe for the picking they are always going to reach out. You know that Dax, I know you do.
-
Maybe you guys should agree to disagree. Especially since this thing you are debating is so boring.
-
If a K-State player other programs want looks ripe for the picking they are always going to reach out.
This is literally why K-State has the policy against transfer releases, as is the case with many schools around the country.
-
Romero was tampered with, administration isn't going to role over on it. It is very similar Jarrod Uthoff / Wisconsin situation. It is a lose/lose situation for K-State just trying to minimize damages. The media damages the story by spouting out before knowing the whole story. Someone coached Romero on how to approach the media.
First, the coach that Uthoff was recruited by and committed to play for wasn't fired at Wisconsin, so no it rough ridin' isn't very similar. Tampered with? Maybe she doesn't want to play for some guy she's never met before and would rather go to one of the schools where she already had a relationship with the coaches. She's from rough ridin' Spain for christ's sake. Compelling specific perfomance of an LOI when you fired her coach is rough ridin' bullshit.
Notwithstanding that though, maybe she just doesn't like it at K-State. That should be entirely her call. Everybody else who gets paid to be there can walk anytime they want. Currie? Mittie? Not her though. eff that greedy foreign bitch. Whip her ass KSU!
The ongoing years of Illinois athletic underachievement are really starting to roil, swell and clearly anger up Mr. Bread.
T&P's Bread.
Staying strong ADJC!!
I'd feel the same way if Illinois were doing this to a freshman who had her coach fired. It's an embarrassment. You don't really support it either, you're just trying to be cute.
I support it fully if K-State legitimately believes the player has been tampered with.
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
You have no possible way of knowing if it will or won't stop tampering in the future. I mean seriously, not an effing clue about whether it will or won't happen.
You're just trying to suckle on the teat of the BID, Frankite, hate all things ADJC crowd. What are you afraid of, they won't sit with you at lunch?
It's a little sad.
I know that if I were the tampering school(s) I would enjoy the hell out of Currie looking like a dipshit over this and I'd most certainly do it again. If a K-State player other programs want looks ripe for the picking they are always going to reach out. You know that Dax, I know you do.
Hey, no crap. That doesn't mean the players current school is just going to just let them go wherever; you know, set up a transfer release window with one of those "now serving" signs and "grab a ticket" machine.
This stuff happens all the time, you know it Mr. Bread, and you know that schools put up road blocks all the time for various reasons. Every single time everyone looking in tries to make the school look bad, but at the end of the day it's a school going through their processes and protecting themselves. Only in a very rare few cases is a school or individuals at a school trying to be dickheads about the situation.
You know that, but, you also know that you're just trying to play along with the cool kids. Just admit it.
-
She will be aloud to transfer, but with stipulations on which schools she can not go too. So, if said school(s) are tampering w/ her, then those said school(S) will be on the "blocked" list. End of story and let her go......
By the way, she looks bad in all of her babbling and "blackmailing" claims...... :Crybaby:
-
Having a policy seems reasonable when 40% of college MBB players transfer (I assume WBB is similar) during their careers (34% of Top 100 players). Restricting where players transfer isn't uncommon either. I don't think this is that big of a deal and it will have very little effect on the recruiting of the new WBB coach.
To quote a former Wildcat coach:
"Kids are not being taught to stay the course, be patient, to learn how to work and improve.”
-
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
This has been K-State policy for years and years, predating both UPKS and ADJC. It has been applied in numerous transfer cases, most of them you don't hear much about. The policy is mainly a way to protect the school from tampering and other situations -- the transfer is declined, the player appeals with a list of preferred schools to transfer to, the appeals board says yes or no to schools on the list, player leaves. That's how it goes.
In this case, someone in the ear of Leti recommended she contact members of the press to badmouth K-State. Suddenly, it's a "bad look for K-State". Yeah well no crap, because the player is saying it's a bad look.
K-State will probably make a statement once the appeals board rules, and will probably take the high road. But you can see how good Leti looks here just by reading Twitter comments of her teammates. And that's why siding with her without more info is probably a poor choice.
When you start out by saying that this is how we've always done it, that says it all. It also doesn't matter if it's true she's been tampered with, because K-State and Currie will never say that nor provide any proof. If they could do that, then that would stop tampering. Bust cheaters.
Without that, the smart play is to take the high road at the outset. It's on Mittie to be the hunter and not the hunted. Top players don't get poached from top coaches and top programs, and if they do it is inconsequential because they had already fallen out of favor. They wanted to leave. No player gets effectively tampered with that doesn't already have a foot out the door. Blocking looks small time and petty, because it is.
Here they want to block everything because they privately say tampering occurred, but they won't say that publicly because they presumably don't have either the evidence or the sack. Best in that instance to just treat her like everybody else. Why refuse it in its entirety at the outset? It looks bad. Why not block only the schools that were purported tamperers right from the jump and say have at it? That would show a little backbone at least. A little public shaming. Currie is playing right into the tamperers' hands just like Bo did. He should be smarter than that.
-
Are there NCAA rules against tampering?
-
Having a policy seems reasonable when 40% of college MBB players transfer (I assume WBB is similar) during their careers (34% of Top 100 players). Restricting where players transfer isn't uncommon either. I don't think this is that big of a deal and it will have very little effect on the recruiting of the new WBB coach.
To quote a former Wildcat coach:
"Kids are not being taught to stay the course, be patient, to learn how to work and improve.”
It's reasonable to me if it is rational, objective and impartially applied across the board. For example a block on conference teams. Sure, that makes some sense. The problem is when they do crap like this because of reasons they can't or are afraid to make public that they end up looking like dipshits. It also leaves room for programs to abuse their authority in this regard. A vindictive coach and/or AD could try to give a kid who wasn't tampered with a hard time because he's a very good player and they're pissed he's leaving. Their rough ridin' livelihood depends to one extent or another on athletic success. I mean they both get substantial pay bonuses when teams win more or even in the context of athletic directors individual sport athletes succeed. Hell they ultimately get fired or retained on that basis. They actually have a verifiable entirely selfish reason to eff with these kids. So all they have to do is whisper tampering and some dumbfuck program supporters will parrot it and they can be as shitty as they want to be. It stinks.
-
Why not just say you have evidence that a school was tampering?
-
Why refuse it in its entirety at the outset? It looks bad. Why not block only the schools that were purported tamperers right from the jump and say have at it? That would show a little backbone at least. A little public shaming.
I'm assuming that's what is going on anyway. All we have heard is her interpretation of what happened. I assume she probably listed a specific school on her transfer request and that's why it was denied. Deb and Frank both had players transfer all the time and nothing like this ever happened with the same rules in place.
-
Are there NCAA rules against tampering?
Seems like there must be.
-
Deb and Frank both had players transfer all the time and nothing like this ever happened with the same rules in place.
to be fair (and i'm not being argumentative), we don't know that for sure. just like we don't know for sure that angel wasn't told to stick around another year and we'd let him leave vs leave right now and you are on your own.
-
Why not just say you have evidence that a school was tampering?
I would imagine that if you start @ing folks and you can't substantiate it you are going to get sued.
-
I don't think comparing players transferring away from the coaching staff they committed to is the same as players leaving after the AD makes the choice to fire the HC.
Hell, firing the HC is the most emphatic way an AD can say they don't like the direction of a program, why should the AD then care if/where the players from a failed program are going?
-
I don't think comparing players transferring away from the coaching staff they committed to is the same as players leaving after the AD makes the choice to fire the HC.
Hell, firing the HC is the most emphatic way an AD can say they don't like the direction of a program, why should the AD then care if/where the players from a failed program are going?
That's a good point.
-
seems like a marriage where the bread winning spouse gets to determine if the divorce is granted and not a third party
-
seems like a marriage where the bread winning spouse gets to determine if the divorce is granted and not a third party
more like a divorce where the one that filed wants to determine who the ex can or cannot marry
-
I don't think comparing players transferring away from the coaching staff they committed to is the same as players leaving after the AD makes the choice to fire the HC.
Hell, firing the HC is the most emphatic way an AD can say they don't like the direction of a program, why should the AD then care if/where the players from a failed program are going?
She's good at basketball right? Mittie and Currie both have a personal financial and reputational interest in her staying to one degree or another. I'd bet Currie gets bonuses if the women's team reaches certain performance goals. Many athletic directors have deals like that or so the news tells me. I guarantee Mittie does. At the very least that looks good on the old resume to have winning teams on Currie's watch under hires he made. I mean he fired a long time coach and now he needs his guy to succeed and the sooner the better of course. Those are reasons to care.
I mean what if say Angel and Rodney had left for oscar's first season and he didn't make the NCAAs and get a share of the Phillips, you think he might not have been extended to 2018-19 already? You think Currie would be so proud of the hire to date? Tampering or no, no coach or AD would have let them leave without an all out fight in that scenario and it shouldn't be that way.
-
seems like a marriage where the bread winning spouse gets to determine if the divorce is granted and not a third party
more like a divorce where the one that filed wants to determine who the ex can or cannot marry
you mean the one who didn't file gets to determine?
-
John Currie tampered with Jeff Mittie when he hired him as the Women's basketball coach at KSU.
-
I don't think comparing players transferring away from the coaching staff they committed to is the same as players leaving after the AD makes the choice to fire the HC.
Hell, firing the HC is the most emphatic way an AD can say they don't like the direction of a program, why should the AD then care if/where the players from a failed program are going?
She's good at basketball right? Mittie and Currie both have a personal financial and reputational interest in her staying to one degree or another. I'd bet Currie gets bonuses if the women's team reaches certain performance goals. Many athletic directors have deals like that or so the news tells me. I guarantee Mittie does. At the very least that looks good on the old resume to have winning teams on Currie's watch under hires he made. I mean he fired a long time coach and now he needs his guy to succeed and the sooner the better of course. Those are reasons to care.
I mean what if say Angel and Rodney had left for oscar's first season and he didn't make the NCAAs and get a share of the Phillips, you think he might not have been extended to 2018-19 already? You think Currie would be so proud of the hire to date? Tampering or no, no coach or AD would have let them leave without an all out fight in that scenario and it shouldn't be that way.
Just curious, should players just be able to transfer whenever they want with no repercussions?
You seem to make a compelling case as to why programs do exactly what is going on.
-
i think the departing school should have to be the one to file an appeal if they feel there is tampering
-
I don't think comparing players transferring away from the coaching staff they committed to is the same as players leaving after the AD makes the choice to fire the HC.
Hell, firing the HC is the most emphatic way an AD can say they don't like the direction of a program, why should the AD then care if/where the players from a failed program are going?
She's good at basketball right? Mittie and Currie both have a personal financial and reputational interest in her staying to one degree or another. I'd bet Currie gets bonuses if the women's team reaches certain performance goals. Many athletic directors have deals like that or so the news tells me. I guarantee Mittie does. At the very least that looks good on the old resume to have winning teams on Currie's watch under hires he made. I mean he fired a long time coach and now he needs his guy to succeed and the sooner the better of course. Those are reasons to care.
I mean what if say Angel and Rodney had left for oscar's first season and he didn't make the NCAAs and get a share of the Phillips, you think he might not have been extended to 2018-19 already? You think Currie would be so proud of the hire to date? Tampering or no, no coach or AD would have let them leave without an all out fight in that scenario and it shouldn't be that way.
I guess I don't understand what you have a problem with. Romero is leaving, that's not what a non-release of transfer is meant to affect. This isn't about trying to force her to stay, somehow place her in custody on campus. She's gone.
This non-release of transfer is very common in college athletics, and has been for years and years. The appeals process is the most important part of the policy, because it gives the school the ability to protect itself (tampering, academic standing of player, compliance, competitive disadvantage, all sorts of possible reasons). The appeal ultimately results in the player leaving, sometimes with stipulations. That's why the policy exists, and why most schools think it is wise to have the policy.
The major difference here is that Leti is being advised to handle her appeal through the media rather than in private in an effort to make K-State feel pressured.
-
does K-State feel pressured?
-
Just curious, should players just be able to transfer whenever they want with no repercussions?
Yes, they absolutely should be able to. Their scholarship can be dropped and their coach can leave without any repercussions, why shouldn't the players be able to leave whenever they want to? I don't even think they should have to sit out a year.
-
She's a rough ridin' person, not chattel you fucks.
-
She's a rough ridin' person, not chattel you fucks.
Who can do whatever she wants, but certain things that she wants may have repercussions or implications as to when or if she gets to do them. You know, kind of like, oh, . . . . life.
Plus, I know Too Cool for Schoolers aren't always the sharpest tack in the box when it comes to these scenarios because they'd rather be idiotic while appearing edgy. But CC has a great point that K-State has to consider things like academic standing etc. etc. If a player leaves and is not in good academic standing than that directly impacts APR. That may not be an issue here, but it has to be considered every single time these cases come up, amongst many things.
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
-
Good points, but your point about Edwards is way off. Edwards announced his transfer March 28th and didn't visit K-State until May 2nd. He committed May 4th after already taking visits to Creighton and Iowa State.
-
Good points, but your point about Edwards is way off. Edwards announced his transfer March 28th and didn't visit K-State until May 2nd. He committed May 4th after already taking visits to Creighton and Iowa State.
Thanks, was it Bolden then? I recall a transfer being announced really close to the time the release was announced, maybe even a Frank era player???
-
Good points, but your point about Edwards is way off. Edwards announced his transfer March 28th and didn't visit K-State until May 2nd. He committed May 4th after already taking visits to Creighton and Iowa State.
Thanks, was it Bolden then? I recall a transfer being announced really close to the time the release was announced, maybe even a Frank era player???
The Bolden turnaround was quicker; April 30th transfer announce to May 18th commitment to K-State.
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
-
that rough rider jay bilas is talking bad about us? :curse:
-
The only reason most of you who are acting mad or upset about this, is because it's Currie.
At some point in the past or at some point in the future, out of your mouth or keyboard, or in your mind you have or will say or think, "I don't give an eff about them, I only care about K-State." You know it, I know it, we all know it.
So, spare us your faux disgust over this, and just admit you're only acting mad or upset because YOU think it's Currie driving all of this.
Godspeed John Currie and keep only looking out for the best interests of EMAW!! Even if it means mountains of duplicity and/or hypocrisy!!
-
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
This has been K-State policy for years and years, predating both UPKS and ADJC. It has been applied in numerous transfer cases, most of them you don't hear much about. The policy is mainly a way to protect the school from tampering and other situations -- the transfer is declined, the player appeals with a list of preferred schools to transfer to, the appeals board says yes or no to schools on the list, player leaves. That's how it goes.
In this case, someone in the ear of Leti recommended she contact members of the press to badmouth K-State. Suddenly, it's a "bad look for K-State". Yeah well no crap, because the player is saying it's a bad look.
K-State will probably make a statement once the appeals board rules, and will probably take the high road. But you can see how good Leti looks here just by reading Twitter comments of her teammates. And that's why siding with her without more info is probably a poor choice.
Was said person in her ear possibly close to KSU?
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
i'm 100% sure that despite you making a well reasoned post containing very salient points, a certain very identifiable group here are going to ignore it all. take from my post what you will.
-
i'm 100% sure that despite you making a well reasoned post containing very salient points, a certain very identifiable group here are going to ignore it all. take from my post what you will.
Absolutely. A very predictable group.
-
Is this gal a See You Next Tuesday? Whats going on here? Who should I be mad at?
-
Who should I be mad at?
not me
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
If that is indeed correct, that doesn't speak well of the previous staff. Sure hope it's not the previous leader, who K-State paid millions of dollars to while she mired the program in abject mediocrity, or worse, all the while building her a stately new practice facility (that she could have had sooner were it not for her demands for that facility, which were, in a word, absurd).
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
If that is indeed correct, that doesn't speak well of the previous staff. Sure hope it's not the previous leader, who K-State paid millions of dollars to while she mired the program in abject mediocrity, or worse, all the while building her a stately new practice facility (that she could have had sooner were it not for her demands for that facility, which were, in a word, absurd).
Some on the previous staff didn't feel the way that Deb situation was handled and how they were told was in an appropriate manner. My only knowledge is from what they said and I too would be upset if I were them. That said revenge is for the weak minded so I hope it isn't who I think it is.
-
Deb sounds diabolical
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
Thank you for the clarification cc, I appreciate it. I'll soften my stance a bit, I won't flex on two points though.
-There was no reason to leak info about this situation. Jay Bilas' twitter isn't reason enough to go into cya mode. Yes,I know she spoke first. She is a 19 year old college student, there is no reason to turn a machine against her.
-I don't care about the circumstances of her transfer, they should have let her go. What are they protecting themselves from? Does the athletic department think that whatever is happening behind the scenes with Leti would have become public knowledge and other athletes and athletic departments would conspire to screw K-State when a coach gets fired? From your description, this sounds like a pretty unique circumstance that would have been quiet if they just let her go.
Some of my outrage with this situation is with the system itself. It is gross that scholarships are one year agreements but the athlete doesn't have freedom of movement. I think the movement to pay players is a simple mindset and has severe consequences the advocates don't think about, but things like freedom of movement needs to be addressed. Also the NLOI should be abolished.
-
Deb sounds diabolical
She is and its great, she behaves like men would in this situation.
Also catz is right, the former staff is pissed about the nature of her firing. Not saying this makes her involvement with Leti right, just showing off the mindset.
-
anyone find out why her current teammates are pissed off at her so much?
-
Deb sounds diabolical
She is and its great, she behaves like men would in this situation.
Also catz is right, the former staff is pissed about the nature of her firing. Not saying this makes her involvement with Leti right, just showing off the mindset.
there's very little doubt in my mind that her situation (deb's) wasn't handled as well as it could have been. and i don't know anything about how it was handled.
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
If that is indeed correct, that doesn't speak well of the previous staff. Sure hope it's not the previous leader, who K-State paid millions of dollars to while she mired the program in abject mediocrity, or worse, all the while building her a stately new practice facility (that she could have had sooner were it not for her demands for that facility, which were, in a word, absurd).
Some on the previous staff didn't feel the way that Deb situation was handled and how they were told was in an appropriate manner. My only knowledge is from what they said and I too would be upset if I were them. That said revenge is for the weak minded so I hope it isn't who I think it is.
What is the best way to handle firing someone. Let them dangle for a few days? Pull them into an HVAC room as the walk off the floor after their final game at the Big 12? It's never any fun, and it's never really a good time. You don't do yourself any favors by crapping on the carpet on your way out the door.
-
What is the best way to handle firing someone. Let them dangle for a few days? Pull them into an HVAC room as the walk off the floor after their final game at the Big 12? It's never any fun, and it's never really a good time. You don't do yourself any favors by crapping on the carpet on your way out the door.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.247sports.com%2FUploads%2FAssets%2F582%2F192%2F1192582.gif&hash=40e60b1f89d0ffc08b0a7a65f3a0b9b4f258ae91)
-
Deb should have been fired after the 20 hundred season when she had 3 conference wins.
-
Thank you for the clarification cc, I appreciate it. I'll soften my stance a bit, I won't flex on two points though.
-There was no reason to leak info about this situation. Jay Bilas' twitter isn't reason enough to go into cya mode. Yes,I know she spoke first. She is a 19 year old college student, there is no reason to turn a machine against her.
-I don't care about the circumstances of her transfer, they should have let her go. What are they protecting themselves from? Does the athletic department think that whatever is happening behind the scenes with Leti would have become public knowledge and other athletes and athletic departments would conspire to screw K-State when a coach gets fired? From your description, this sounds like a pretty unique circumstance that would have been quiet if they just let her go.
Some of my outrage with this situation is with the system itself. It is gross that scholarships are one year agreements but the athlete doesn't have freedom of movement. I think the movement to pay players is a simple mindset and has severe consequences the advocates don't think about, but things like freedom of movement needs to be addressed. Also the NLOI should be abolished.
I very very very much doubt anything was leaked from the AthDept. They have student privacy issues here that makes that a very risky route to take, plus from people I've talked to, the Dept doesn't really think leaking anything would make much of a difference. There was no machine to turn on, no character assassination happening. If you want to blame me, you can do so. I apologize if I came across as attacking her. I meant only that her words were not entirely her words, but rather that of the people in her ear. Again, Fitz knows about the former staff stuff, and he certainly didn't hear it from Currie and company.
Your second point, she will ultimately transfer. They will "let her go" I guess, though again, that's not what the appeals process is about. There are lots of things they need to protect themselves from -- tampering, academic standing, compliance, competitive disadvantage. That's why the appeals process exists, and it's not unique to Leti. And your last sentence on this point is very close to the truth -- if Leti doesn't call up the Mercury and CJ and and say that K-State is "blackmailing" her, then yes she probably would transfer with some restrictions and it would have all happened privately and quietly. Again, the difference here from virtually all other transfers is that Leti is throwing K-State under the bus publicly to theoretically gain an advantage prior to the appeal.
If your anger is about the player/coach NLI system, then I would tend to agree with you. But that is a much larger discussion than this one case.
-
Deb should have been fired after the 20 hundred season when she had 3 conference wins.
thanks, robert. now take my brat that you rough ridin' stole and get the eff out of my tailgate.
-
This has been an interesting and informative discussion, and I appreciate the different opinions brought (MIR, CC, _Fan, etc) without getting into a huge, blown out, pissing match.
#1cat
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
If that is indeed correct, that doesn't speak well of the previous staff. Sure hope it's not the previous leader, who K-State paid millions of dollars to while she mired the program in abject mediocrity, or worse, all the while building her a stately new practice facility (that she could have had sooner were it not for her demands for that facility, which were, in a word, absurd).
Some on the previous staff didn't feel the way that Deb situation was handled and how they were told was in an appropriate manner. My only knowledge is from what they said and I too would be upset if I were them. That said revenge is for the weak minded so I hope it isn't who I think it is.
What is the best way to handle firing someone. Let them dangle for a few days? Pull them into an HVAC room as the walk off the floor after their final game at the Big 12? It's never any fun, and it's never really a good time. You don't do yourself any favors by crapping on the carpet on your way out the door.
I'm not talking about Deb, talking about the rest of the staff. They weren't fired but also not appreciated for their time and honor at the school.
-
Who Lehning? Didn't she have her jersey retired before Beasley/Pullen?
-
Deciding to burn it down could really sink Leti's chances of a positive outcome, but I'm sure some posters here would love to teach her how to dougie her way out of this by currieing favor with the right Animals. After all, if you've gott to lieb, you've gott to lieb.
-
Deciding to burn it down could really sink Leti's chances of a positive outcome, but I'm sure some posters here would love to teach her how to dougie her way out of this by currieing favor with the right Animals. After all, if you've gott to lieb, you've gott to lieb.
:love:
-
Didn't she have her jersey retired before Beasley/Pullen?
this makes me rage :curse:
-
yeah. i mean, if we're going to get mad at something, let's get mad at the fact that beas and pullen don't have their jerseys retired. absolutely absurd.
-
I think catz might be deb
-
I think catz might be deb
can confirm I am not.
-
I think catz might be deb
can confirm I am not.
Diabolical :sdeek:
-
catz is most definitely deb until proven otherwise
-
catz is most definitely deb until proven otherwise
same taste in women :dunno:
-
Thank you for the clarification cc, I appreciate it. I'll soften my stance a bit, I won't flex on two points though.
-There was no reason to leak info about this situation. Jay Bilas' twitter isn't reason enough to go into cya mode. Yes,I know she spoke first. She is a 19 year old college student, there is no reason to turn a machine against her.
-I don't care about the circumstances of her transfer, they should have let her go. What are they protecting themselves from? Does the athletic department think that whatever is happening behind the scenes with Leti would have become public knowledge and other athletes and athletic departments would conspire to screw K-State when a coach gets fired? From your description, this sounds like a pretty unique circumstance that would have been quiet if they just let her go.
Some of my outrage with this situation is with the system itself. It is gross that scholarships are one year agreements but the athlete doesn't have freedom of movement. I think the movement to pay players is a simple mindset and has severe consequences the advocates don't think about, but things like freedom of movement needs to be addressed. Also the NLOI should be abolished.
I very very very much doubt anything was leaked from the AthDept. They have student privacy issues here that makes that a very risky route to take, plus from people I've talked to, the Dept doesn't really think leaking anything would make much of a difference. There was no machine to turn on, no character assassination happening. If you want to blame me, you can do so. I apologize if I came across as attacking her. I meant only that her words were not entirely her words, but rather that of the people in her ear. Again, Fitz knows about the former staff stuff, and he certainly didn't hear it from Currie and company.
Your second point, she will ultimately transfer. They will "let her go" I guess, though again, that's not what the appeals process is about. There are lots of things they need to protect themselves from -- tampering, academic standing, compliance, competitive disadvantage. That's why the appeals process exists, and it's not unique to Leti. And your last sentence on this point is very close to the truth -- if Leti doesn't call up the Mercury and CJ and and say that K-State is "blackmailing" her, then yes she probably would transfer with some restrictions and it would have all happened privately and quietly. Again, the difference here from virtually all other transfers is that Leti is throwing K-State under the bus publicly to theoretically gain an advantage prior to the appeal.
If your anger is about the player/coach NLI system, then I would tend to agree with you. But that is a much larger discussion than this one case.
Not blaming you for the leak, like I said mixed-nutz posted the tampering charge before you hinted at it. Someone leaked it and it certainly wasn't Leti.
-
How much honor did those ladies want?
Camie played at Texas.
Moylan was a good player at K-State 20 plus years ago.
Lehning had a mountain of honor and praise heaped on her from K-State.
I don't get it.
-
How much honor did those ladies want?
Camie played at Texas.
Moylan was a good player at K-State 20 plus years ago.
Lehning had a mountain of honor and praise heaped on her from K-State.
I don't get it.
CC hinted it was an ex staffer. I just told you what I heard the staff thought about how things were handled.
-
On the jersey thing if you want to be mad, be mad at Frank and/or Weiser and Currie. It's not like Deb had unilateral decision power over who got their jerseys retired and when for all sports. She asked if her players could get their jerseys hung and the ad said yes. Pretty boss move and more coaches should do it. Are they waiting for these guys to die or something?
I mean if your boss offers you a trip to Australia for your Christmas bonus are you gonna say no because of the schlub in the next office didn't get one because he didn't ask?
-
Coaches should ask every year. I agree that it is best to do it now than waiting until so much time has passed that no one cares.
-
On the jersey thing if you want to be mad, be mad at Frank and/or Weiser and Currie. It's not like Deb had unilateral decision power over who got their jerseys retired and when for all sports. She asked if her players could get their jerseys hung and the ad said yes. Pretty boss move and more coaches should do it. Are they waiting for these guys to die or something?
I mean if your boss offers you a trip to Australia for your Christmas bonus are you gonna say no because of the schlub in the next office didn't get one because he didn't ask?
i don't think anybody is upset w/ deb over this. at least they shouldn't be.
-
Thank you for the clarification cc, I appreciate it. I'll soften my stance a bit, I won't flex on two points though.
-There was no reason to leak info about this situation. Jay Bilas' twitter isn't reason enough to go into cya mode. Yes,I know she spoke first. She is a 19 year old college student, there is no reason to turn a machine against her.
-I don't care about the circumstances of her transfer, they should have let her go. What are they protecting themselves from? Does the athletic department think that whatever is happening behind the scenes with Leti would have become public knowledge and other athletes and athletic departments would conspire to screw K-State when a coach gets fired? From your description, this sounds like a pretty unique circumstance that would have been quiet if they just let her go.
Some of my outrage with this situation is with the system itself. It is gross that scholarships are one year agreements but the athlete doesn't have freedom of movement. I think the movement to pay players is a simple mindset and has severe consequences the advocates don't think about, but things like freedom of movement needs to be addressed. Also the NLOI should be abolished.
I very very very much doubt anything was leaked from the AthDept. They have student privacy issues here that makes that a very risky route to take, plus from people I've talked to, the Dept doesn't really think leaking anything would make much of a difference. There was no machine to turn on, no character assassination happening. If you want to blame me, you can do so. I apologize if I came across as attacking her. I meant only that her words were not entirely her words, but rather that of the people in her ear. Again, Fitz knows about the former staff stuff, and he certainly didn't hear it from Currie and company.
Your second point, she will ultimately transfer. They will "let her go" I guess, though again, that's not what the appeals process is about. There are lots of things they need to protect themselves from -- tampering, academic standing, compliance, competitive disadvantage. That's why the appeals process exists, and it's not unique to Leti. And your last sentence on this point is very close to the truth -- if Leti doesn't call up the Mercury and CJ and and say that K-State is "blackmailing" her, then yes she probably would transfer with some restrictions and it would have all happened privately and quietly. Again, the difference here from virtually all other transfers is that Leti is throwing K-State under the bus publicly to theoretically gain an advantage prior to the appeal.
If your anger is about the player/coach NLI system, then I would tend to agree with you. But that is a much larger discussion than this one case.
Not blaming you for the leak, like I said mixed-nutz posted the tampering charge before you hinted at it. Someone leaked it and it certainly wasn't Leti.
A lot of people are involved in a situation like this, so of course it gets leaked. But this is also very standard behavior for tampering. Special with a player that is going to have a handler. Leti is a pawn in this situation and it is to bad for her, but she is also allowing herself to be a pawn. This has everything to do with a coach and handler.
-
How much honor did those ladies want?
Camie played at Texas.
Moylan was a good player at K-State 20 plus years ago.
Lehning had a mountain of honor and praise heaped on her from K-State.
I don't get it.
Kamie is a former national player of the year, national champion, gold medalist, hall of famer and considered one of the best ever to play the sport. At 18 years she had one of the longest assistant coaching stints in school history, if not the longest.
You keep running your fat mouth about people just being mad because it's Currie. Not that anyone cares but what is your level of credibility when all you do is defend his actions no matter what because your ego is inflated enough that you think anyone cares that you see yourself as some foil to the "too cool for schoolers?" This is the second straight staff, not head coach but staff, to depart angrily. The last time we were told that the staff were going to stay to flee their oppressive monster of a head coach. How did that work out? You keep fighting the too cool for schoolers and I'm going to wait for the next group of people to bid on their way out of the door after dealing with Currie.
-
Also the everybody hates everything Currie does talking point is very phony and dramatic. Currie has taken heat for the things; pay Frank, the men's basketball coaching change, and this Leti Romero issue. If you want to keep peacocking around here like the world's oldest toddler about three things in five years, then that's on you.
-
Also the everybody hates everything Currie does talking point is very phony and dramatic. Currie has taken heat for the things; pay Frank, the men's basketball coaching change, and this Leti Romero issue. If you want to keep peacocking around here like the world's oldest toddler about three things in five years, then that's on you.
The men's basketball coaching change could easily be broken down into 3 or 4 different topics that could stand alone on their own merit, though.
-
Also the everybody hates everything Currie does talking point is very phony and dramatic. Currie has taken heat for the things; pay Frank, the men's basketball coaching change, and this Leti Romero issue. If you want to keep peacocking around here like the world's oldest toddler about three things in five years, then that's on you.
A search on this site for "FYJC" turns up a few more complaints.
Not that I'm picking sides in a MIR-Dax fight, because I'm sure as heck not.
-
Also the everybody hates everything Currie does talking point is very phony and dramatic. Currie has taken heat for the things; pay Frank, the men's basketball coaching change, and this Leti Romero issue. If you want to keep peacocking around here like the world's oldest toddler about three things in five years, then that's on you.
A search on this site for "FYJC" turns up a few more complaints.
Not that I'm picking sides in a MIR-Dax fight, because I'm sure as heck not.
A lot of that stuff isn't real criticism though. And yes the men's coaching situation is at least 4 different things but I'm combining it into one starting with the Jamar issue ending with the Weber introductory press conference.
-
How much honor did those ladies want?
Camie played at Texas.
Moylan was a good player at K-State 20 plus years ago.
Lehning had a mountain of honor and praise heaped on her from K-State.
I don't get it.
Kamie is a former national player of the year, national champion, gold medalist, hall of famer and considered one of the best ever to play the sport. At 18 years she had one of the longest assistant coaching stints in school history, if not the longest.
You keep running your fat mouth about people just being mad because it's Currie. Not that anyone cares but what is your level of credibility when all you do is defend his actions no matter what because your ego is inflated enough that you think anyone cares that you see yourself as some foil to the "too cool for schoolers?" This is the second straight staff, not head coach but staff, to depart angrily. The last time we were told that the staff were going to stay to flee their oppressive monster of a head coach. How did that work out? You keep fighting the too cool for schoolers and I'm going to wait for the next group of people to bid on their way out of the door after dealing with Currie.
Oh bullshit. I don't need an effing lecture about Kamie Etheridge and what she did while playing at Texas or someplace else besides K-State. Why would anyone assume that K-State owed her any type of special honor besides the ongoing set of accolades and praise (which at times were significant) she received almost the entire time she was employed at K-State as a fairly highly compensated assistant women's coach?
Who cares if this women's coaching staff left angrily? They were given every benefit to get the ship going in the right direction, and in the final 5 years of Patterson's tenure there were 3 five win conference seasons, including the last two. They had no one to blame but themselves.
Scores of athletic directors would have dismissed Deb Patterson at the end of her contract under those circumstances; 34-52 in conference AFTER getting a FIVE year contract extension.
I'll leave some of the other particularities surrounding Deb Patterson's tenure at K-State off the table . . . for now.
-
Thank you for the clarification cc, I appreciate it. I'll soften my stance a bit, I won't flex on two points though.
-There was no reason to leak info about this situation. Jay Bilas' twitter isn't reason enough to go into cya mode. Yes,I know she spoke first. She is a 19 year old college student, there is no reason to turn a machine against her.
-I don't care about the circumstances of her transfer, they should have let her go. What are they protecting themselves from? Does the athletic department think that whatever is happening behind the scenes with Leti would have become public knowledge and other athletes and athletic departments would conspire to screw K-State when a coach gets fired? From your description, this sounds like a pretty unique circumstance that would have been quiet if they just let her go.
Some of my outrage with this situation is with the system itself. It is gross that scholarships are one year agreements but the athlete doesn't have freedom of movement. I think the movement to pay players is a simple mindset and has severe consequences the advocates don't think about, but things like freedom of movement needs to be addressed. Also the NLOI should be abolished.
I very very very much doubt anything was leaked from the AthDept. They have student privacy issues here that makes that a very risky route to take, plus from people I've talked to, the Dept doesn't really think leaking anything would make much of a difference. There was no machine to turn on, no character assassination happening. If you want to blame me, you can do so. I apologize if I came across as attacking her. I meant only that her words were not entirely her words, but rather that of the people in her ear. Again, Fitz knows about the former staff stuff, and he certainly didn't hear it from Currie and company.
Your second point, she will ultimately transfer. They will "let her go" I guess, though again, that's not what the appeals process is about. There are lots of things they need to protect themselves from -- tampering, academic standing, compliance, competitive disadvantage. That's why the appeals process exists, and it's not unique to Leti. And your last sentence on this point is very close to the truth -- if Leti doesn't call up the Mercury and CJ and and say that K-State is "blackmailing" her, then yes she probably would transfer with some restrictions and it would have all happened privately and quietly. Again, the difference here from virtually all other transfers is that Leti is throwing K-State under the bus publicly to theoretically gain an advantage prior to the appeal.
If your anger is about the player/coach NLI system, then I would tend to agree with you. But that is a much larger discussion than this one case.
Not blaming you for the leak, like I said mixed-nutz posted the tampering charge before you hinted at it. Someone leaked it and it certainly wasn't Leti.
A lot of people are involved in a situation like this, so of course it gets leaked. But this is also very standard behavior for tampering. Special with a player that is going to have a handler. Leti is a pawn in this situation and it is to bad for her, but she is also allowing herself to be a pawn. This has everything to do with a coach and handler.
Why did you keep saying this is like Uthoff and Wisconsin? This (former coaching staff tampering) makes it even less like it than it already was and even then it wasn't like it.
-
Because they are both tampering situations and handled in the same manor. :dunno:
-
Because they are both tampering situations and handled in the same manor. :dunno:
Shame on you.
-
If my daughter was in the same situation I'd bid too. Would also be I the phone with bitb.
-
i'm 100% sure that despite you making a well reasoned post containing very salient points, a certain very identifiable group here are going to ignore it all. take from my post what you will.
Absolutely. A very predictable group.
:jerk:
-
i'm 100% sure that despite you making a well reasoned post containing very salient points, a certain very identifiable group here are going to ignore it all. take from my post what you will.
Absolutely. A very predictable group.
:jerk:
I'd sure like to know who clams is referring to here
-
Oh bullshit. I don't need an effing lecture about Kamie Etheridge and what she did while playing at Texas or someplace else besides K-State. Why would anyone assume that K-State owed her any type of special honor besides the ongoing set of accolades and praise (which at times were significant) she received almost the entire time she was employed at K-State as a fairly highly compensated assistant women's coach?
Who cares if this women's coaching staff left angrily? They were given every benefit to get the ship going in the right direction, and in the final 5 years of Patterson's tenure there were 3 five win conference seasons, including the last two. They had no one to blame but themselves.
Scores of athletic directors would have dismissed Deb Patterson at the end of her contract under those circumstances; 34-52 in conference AFTER getting a FIVE year contract extension.
I'll leave some of the other particularities surrounding Deb Patterson's tenure at K-State off the table . . . for now.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia2.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FFml0fgAxVx1eM%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=169e945b28018601f8606f0cca11cfbfe60d66e8)
-
Deb Patterson coached up this girl from Spain on how Angel Rodriguez's transfer attempt(s) went and how to reference them in her own PR battle?
-
How much honor did those ladies want?
Camie played at Texas.
Moylan was a good player at K-State 20 plus years ago.
Lehning had a mountain of honor and praise heaped on her from K-State.
I don't get it.
Kamie is a former national player of the year, national champion, gold medalist, hall of famer and considered one of the best ever to play the sport. At 18 years she had one of the longest assistant coaching stints in school history, if not the longest.
You keep running your fat mouth about people just being mad because it's Currie. Not that anyone cares but what is your level of credibility when all you do is defend his actions no matter what because your ego is inflated enough that you think anyone cares that you see yourself as some foil to the "too cool for schoolers?" This is the second straight staff, not head coach but staff, to depart angrily. The last time we were told that the staff were going to stay to flee their oppressive monster of a head coach. How did that work out? You keep fighting the too cool for schoolers and I'm going to wait for the next group of people to bid on their way out of the door after dealing with Currie.
Oh bullshit. I don't need an effing lecture about Kamie Etheridge and what she did while playing at Texas or someplace else besides K-State. Why would anyone assume that K-State owed her any type of special honor besides the ongoing set of accolades and praise (which at times were significant) she received almost the entire time she was employed at K-State as a fairly highly compensated assistant women's coach?
Who cares if this women's coaching staff left angrily? They were given every benefit to get the ship going in the right direction, and in the final 5 years of Patterson's tenure there were 3 five win conference seasons, including the last two. They had no one to blame but themselves.
Scores of athletic directors would have dismissed Deb Patterson at the end of her contract under those circumstances; 34-52 in conference AFTER getting a FIVE year contract extension.
I'll leave some of the other particularities surrounding Deb Patterson's tenure at K-State off the table . . . for now.
Hide your skeletons boys, Dax is gonna start opening up some closets.
-
I think catz might be deb
can confirm I am not.
Thought so.
-
How much honor did those ladies want?
Camie played at Texas.
Moylan was a good player at K-State 20 plus years ago.
Lehning had a mountain of honor and praise heaped on her from K-State.
I don't get it.
Kamie is a former national player of the year, national champion, gold medalist, hall of famer and considered one of the best ever to play the sport. At 18 years she had one of the longest assistant coaching stints in school history, if not the longest.
You keep running your fat mouth about people just being mad because it's Currie. Not that anyone cares but what is your level of credibility when all you do is defend his actions no matter what because your ego is inflated enough that you think anyone cares that you see yourself as some foil to the "too cool for schoolers?" This is the second straight staff, not head coach but staff, to depart angrily. The last time we were told that the staff were going to stay to flee their oppressive monster of a head coach. How did that work out? You keep fighting the too cool for schoolers and I'm going to wait for the next group of people to bid on their way out of the door after dealing with Currie.
Oh bullshit. I don't need an effing lecture about Kamie Etheridge and what she did while playing at Texas or someplace else besides K-State. Why would anyone assume that K-State owed her any type of special honor besides the ongoing set of accolades and praise (which at times were significant) she received almost the entire time she was employed at K-State as a fairly highly compensated assistant women's coach?
Who cares if this women's coaching staff left angrily? They were given every benefit to get the ship going in the right direction, and in the final 5 years of Patterson's tenure there were 3 five win conference seasons, including the last two. They had no one to blame but themselves.
Scores of athletic directors would have dismissed Deb Patterson at the end of her contract under those circumstances; 34-52 in conference AFTER getting a FIVE year contract extension.
I'll leave some of the other particularities surrounding Deb Patterson's tenure at K-State off the table . . . for now.
Hide your skeletons boys, Dax is gonna start opening up some closets.
That's what he says. :popcorn:
-
MIR tapout noted and accepted.
-
Deb Patterson coached up this girl from Spain on how Angel Rodriguez's transfer attempt(s) went and how to reference them in her own PR battle?
-
gE isn't subject to Title 9 where we have to give equal time and attention to the women's sports. Let's get the focus back on Angel or at least why this ladykat was invoking his name as a prior example of KSU refusing to give a release to players who lost their coach.
-
MIR tapout noted and accepted.
Really? I didn't see any question you asked in that post or anything you hadn't already said a million times. I did :lol: at your Fitz like, I'll reveal secrets if I have to threat. You can't stop being self-important, it's adorable.
-
MIR tapout noted and accepted.
Really? I didn't see any question you asked in that post or anything you hadn't already said a million times. I did :lol: at your Fitz like, I'll reveal secrets if I have to threat. You can't stop being self-important, it's adorable.
I didn't say they were secrets or even implied that they were in any way, (do you have a reading comprehension issue?) in fact they're pretty well known for anyone that's actually paid attention.
Any coach of a higher profile sport at K-State that goes 20 games below .500 in conference over the course of a five year stretch, the same stretch were said coach gets an automatic pay raise every single year. Is going to lose their job, on the men's side, they wouldn't even make it five years.
oscar Weber goes 20 or so games under .500 over 5 years in conference (again, he'd never make it 5 years) you'll be all "BURN IT DOWN, BURN IT DOWN" by the 3rd game of the 1st season of the spiral.
The fact that you get all angered up and defensive about the crappy job Deb and staff were doing is hilarious. The fact that you get all angered up about the reality that K-State is just applying the same standard to a women's basketball player that gets applied in nearly every other transfer situation at K-State is even more hilarious.
-
deb deserved to be fired.
players that came here to play for her should get to go wherever the eff they want.
-
Deb Patterson coached up this girl from Spain on how Angel Rodriguez's transfer attempt(s) went and how to reference them in her own PR battle?
All oblique references have been to "the former staff." What if it wasn't Deb in this girl's ear, but Frank? :Wha:
-
Women's BB :dubious:
Pullen and B-Eazy should be up in the rafters tho. This conversation should be talked about more.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ff9947dcb425b0c54690efa98740cc171%2Ftumblr_mkket5vkhH1s5fj3io1_500.gif&hash=646aa8af7d2263f28f680b367d133c4a0dc59c9c)
-
deb deserved to be fired.
players that came here to play for her should get to go wherever the eff they want.
Yeah, this is what I think too. (but I live in a cave)
-
MIR tapout noted and accepted.
Really? I didn't see any question you asked in that post or anything you hadn't already said a million times. I did :lol: at your Fitz like, I'll reveal secrets if I have to threat. You can't stop being self-important, it's adorable.
I didn't say they were secrets or even implied that they were in any way, (do you have a reading comprehension issue?) in fact they're pretty well known for anyone that's actually paid attention.
Any coach of a higher profile sport at K-State that goes 20 games below .500 in conference over the course of a five year stretch, the same stretch were said coach gets an automatic pay raise every single year. Is going to lose their job, on the men's side, they wouldn't even make it five years.
oscar Weber goes 20 or so games under .500 over 5 years in conference (again, he'd never make it 5 years) you'll be all "BURN IT DOWN, BURN IT DOWN" by the 3rd game of the 1st season of the spiral.
The fact that you get all angered up and defensive about the crappy job Deb and staff were doing is hilarious. The fact that you get all angered up about the reality that K-State is just applying the same standard to a women's basketball player that gets applied in nearly every other transfer situation at K-State is even more hilarious.
MiR isn't here defending deb's record or arguing that she shouldn't have been fired
-
MIR tapout noted and accepted.
Really? I didn't see any question you asked in that post or anything you hadn't already said a million times. I did :lol: at your Fitz like, I'll reveal secrets if I have to threat. You can't stop being self-important, it's adorable.
I didn't say they were secrets or even implied that they were in any way, (do you have a reading comprehension issue?) in fact they're pretty well known for anyone that's actually paid attention.
Any coach of a higher profile sport at K-State that goes 20 games below .500 in conference over the course of a five year stretch, the same stretch were said coach gets an automatic pay raise every single year. Is going to lose their job, on the men's side, they wouldn't even make it five years.
oscar Weber goes 20 or so games under .500 over 5 years in conference (again, he'd never make it 5 years) you'll be all "BURN IT DOWN, BURN IT DOWN" by the 3rd game of the 1st season of the spiral.
The fact that you get all angered up and defensive about the crappy job Deb and staff were doing is hilarious. The fact that you get all angered up about the reality that K-State is just applying the same standard to a women's basketball player that gets applied in nearly every other transfer situation at K-State is even more hilarious.
MiR isn't here defending deb's record or arguing that she shouldn't have been fired
Still behind the curb.
-
Deb Patterson coached up this girl from Spain on how Angel Rodriguez's transfer attempt(s) went and how to reference them in her own PR battle?
All oblique references have been to "the former staff." What if it wasn't Deb in this girl's ear, but Frank? :Wha:
Love it. Would also better explain how "the former staff" would have any idea what Angel's situation was.
-
I think catz might be deb
can confirm I am not.
you'll have to get him to post, first.
-
Deb Patterson coached up this girl from Spain on how Angel Rodriguez's transfer attempt(s) went and how to reference them in her own PR battle?
All oblique references have been to "the former staff." What if it wasn't Deb in this girl's ear, but Frank? :Wha:
Love it. Would also better explain how "the former staff" would have any idea what Angel's situation was.
I believe she was saying that is what Currie told her, not the former staff. :facepalm:
-
I think catz might be deb
can confirm I am not.
you'll have to get him to post, first.
:confused: :dunno:
-
catz is definitely deb
-
catz is definitely deb
:thumbs: :Puppet:
-
MiR isn't here defending deb's record or arguing that she shouldn't have been fired
Still behind the curb.
:confused: :dunno:
-
MiR isn't here defending deb's record or arguing that she shouldn't have been fired
Still behind the curb.
:confused: :dunno:
Clams, not you.
-
MiR isn't here defending deb's record or arguing that she shouldn't have been fired
Still behind the curve.
:confused: :dunno:
Clams, not you.
FYP
-
i feel like i'm behind the curb and the curve right now
-
Pretty much. Yep
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
appeal denied?
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2014/4/18/5629044/k-state-wbb-leti-romeros-transfer-appeal-denied
-
appeal denied?
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2014/4/18/5629044/k-state-wbb-leti-romeros-transfer-appeal-denied
Welp this is going to get uglier.
-
This is not what K-State Proud is supposed to feel like.
-
This is not what K-State Proud is supposed to feel like
I'm K-State Proud of the committe for not doing special favors for K-Staters who are not K-State Proud.
-
Shalee gotta role in any of this? :Wha:
-
I don't really care if there is tampering involved. This is disgusting.
-
The reaction of our fan base of "she opened her mouth and said 'blackmail', so methinks its great we're telling her to go eff herself back to Spain or a juco" is pathetic. I think what the administration is doing is bullshit, but our fanbase's reaction is almost worse from a personal embarrassment factor.
-
The reaction of our fan base of "she opened her mouth and said 'blackmail', so methinks its great we're telling her to go eff herself back to Spain or a juco" is pathetic. I think what the administration is doing is bullshit, but our fanbase's reaction is almost worse from a personal embarrassment factor.
gpc? everything ive seen on twitter has been the opposite. But then again, maybe i follow the right people.
-
The reaction of our fan base of "she opened her mouth and said 'blackmail', so methinks its great we're telling her to go eff herself back to Spain or a juco" is pathetic. I think what the administration is doing is bullshit, but our fanbase's reaction is almost worse from a personal embarrassment factor.
gpc?
Yeah. Thank god most of them don't know how to use twitter. Alot of "she has people without her best interest in her ear. I'm glad were not backing down and teaching her a life lesson about what a commitment means."
-
I'm embarrassed to be a Kansas State alum, I thought we were better than this.
-
This is one of those "you better have some rough ridin' answers currie" things.
-
This is one of those "you better have some rough ridin' answers currie" things.
I have a hard time believing this would happen if there wasn't something behind this.
-
This is one of those "you better have some rough ridin' answers currie" things.
I have a hard time believing this would happen if there wasn't something behind this.
I don't care if she transfers week by week to whoever we are playing and kicks our ass every game. It's not worth the public shaming.
-
At this point I'm hoping not all the facts are out about the appeal meeting and there is an understanding that once the previous staff get jobs she'll be released to anywhere but those schools. However, nowhere in the tuck reaction is this even being discussed.
-
This is one of those "you better have some rough ridin' answers currie" things.
I have a hard time believing this would happen if there wasn't something behind this.
I don't care if she transfers week by week to whoever we are playing and kicks our ass every game. It's not worth the public shaming.
I wouldn't worry too much about the public shaming. I don't think very many people care.
-
Shalee gotta role in any of this? :Wha:
I hope not...but she can't be too happy.
-
This is one of those "you better have some rough ridin' answers currie" things.
I have a hard time believing this would happen if there wasn't something behind this.
Agreed. The tampering noises on so many sites is hard to dismiss.
-
How do we get this terrible thread moved to the ladycats thread?
-
Leti Romero is K-State Proud of all of you.
-
It seems really weird for the AD to be mad about the coaching staff they fired "tampering" or whatever. "It's all about the people." KSU fired the people this chick came to America for. It should've been a understood they were firing the chick along with the coach.
All these media types that are getting updates from the chick need to ask for details about her Angel comment.
-
The committee must have some pretty solid evidence of tampering or former staffer trying to parlay this into a new job.
Stay strong committee members including Pat Bosco.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
If we can't have her nobody can.
-
She should counter-blackmail by saying if they don't give her the release she'll stay and sabotage errthing.
-
The committee must have some pretty solid evidence of tampering or former staffer trying to parlay this into a new job.
Stay strong committee members including Pat Bosco.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Exactly. So let her go with deb to wherever the eff she wants and then be like "oh gosh, NCAA. I found all this evidence on the fl- er, in a trash can!"
-
Well this is a pickle. But until further notice I'll roll with the EMAW zeal of the committee.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
This is one of those "you better have some rough ridin' answers currie" things.
I have a hard time believing this would happen if there wasn't something behind this.
I don't care if she transfers week by week to whoever we are playing and kicks our ass every game. It's not worth the public shaming.
I wouldn't worry too much about the public shaming. I don't think very many people care.
If I were in a recruiting battle against K-State women's basketball I'd sure as hell let the player know that if you go there the ad may fire the coach and then not let you transfer if you want to go with them. Considering this is coming from the athletic department and not the basketball coach, I'd consider playing this card if I were the coach recruiting assist K-State in any sport.
-
So trying to add all of this together just using the rumors the Currie henchmen are putting out there I think one or more of the coaches are packaging themselves with Leti for a job and the ad considers this amoral. Even if it went down like this, if you're K-State why in the hell would you care? Again when you fire a coach there are positive and negative consequences that go with it, don't want to lose players, don't fire their coaches. This is how this has worked for years, only at K-State do we insist on firing coaches but expect all of the players to stay.
-
I hope Leti stays and gathers the opening tip and hurls the ball into the stands.
There's infinite things she could do before then to make herself undesirable and get the release. She needs to practice more Trim 3:16, less Deb (allegedly) 3:16.
-
I hope Leti stays and gathers the opening tip and hurls the ball into the stands.
There's infinite things she could do before then to make herself undesirable and get the release. She needs to practice more Trim 3:16, less Deb (allegedly) 3:16.
:lol:
-
One thing I can say in the few times I've been around Pat Bosco, or from the many stories I've heard. He seems really vindictive and calculating. When I think of Pat Bosco, I immediately think "henchmen".
There's no doubt that Currie and the committee are doing this out of pure spite since we know all the facts.
-
She should lick Nadiir's face. Boom, gone
-
One thing I can say in the few times I've been around Pat Bosco, or from the many stories I've heard. He seems really vindictive and calculating. When I think of Pat Bosco, I immediately think "henchmen".
There's no doubt that Currie and the committee are doing this out of pure spite since we know all the facts.
That's a nice trick there ol dax. You have no idea what Pat Bosco thinks about this issue, none, nor did I call him or hint at him or anyone else on that committee at being henchmen. Bosco is one member of a committee that ruled against Leti. Apparently you aren't aware of this, but a committee doesn't have to rule unanimously to make a decision.
-
bosco does seem vindictive. not joking
-
'grats MIR. Now humorless psycho/sociopath Dr. JamesNaismith is quoting you on Phog.net. :thumbsup:
But don't go post over there, because humorless psycho/sociopath Dr. JamesNaismith will call for you to be immediately banned, or whine to the mods for not mod'ing better.
-
'grats MIR. Now humorless psycho/sociopath Dr. JamesNaismith is quoting you on Phog.net. :thumbsup:
But don't go post over there, because humorless psycho/sociopath Dr. JamesNaismith will call for you to be immediately banned, or whine to the mods for not mod'ing better.
Always a joy to watch the phoggies discuss things they know nothing about.
-
Its quite hilarious and ironic that those motherfuckers, of all people, act as if they are the paragon of virtue when it comes to the welfare of student athletes. It was like 10 days ago when they treated Embiid like crap for leaving to become a top 5 draft pick. It's amazing that those idiots had to rely on their k-state obsession to all of a sudden find decency, eff all of them, including tmcats.
Since I know you're reading go ahead and quote that, bitch.
-
Who is K-State protecting by not releasing the tampering evidence?
-
Who is K-State protecting by not releasing the tampering evidence?
Although some sites are suggesting tampering, no names have been mentioned that I've seen. Some say other schools, some say one of our former assistants. That said, take a close look at the WBB threads on k-statefans.com...especially a comparison of tweets from Lehning and Claire Coggins on the same day.
-
Who is K-State protecting by not releasing the tampering evidence?
Although some sites are suggesting tampering, no names have been mentioned that I've seen. Some say other schools, some say one of our former assistants. That said, take a close look at the WBB threads on k-statefans.com...especially a comparison of tweets from Lehning and Claire Coggins on the same day.
Post them here.
-
Who is K-State protecting by not releasing the tampering evidence?
Although some sites are suggesting tampering, no names have been mentioned that I've seen. Some say other schools, some say one of our former assistants. That said, take a close look at the WBB threads on k-statefans.com...especially a comparison of tweets from Lehning and Claire Coggins on the same day.
Post them here.
Just did one of them...k-statefans.com, the spinoff from the lame Scout board created after all the mods were kicked off the latter site. The same Scout board also has some references to tampering. Hope that helps. :)
-
Shalee Lehning ?@shaleelehning Mar 27 - 2:23pm
Just because a person is in a leadership position doesn't mean they are a good leader. Some have power they aren't equipped to handle.
..........and then
Claire Coggins ?@claire_ksuhoops Protected Tweets Mar 27- 2:32 pm
It's interesting to see how people react when faced with adversity for the first time in their lives. Highroad? Or, Sabotage? #truecolors
-
Could this have been prevented if currie didn't botch another hiring?
-
Shalee Lehning ?@shaleelehning Mar 27 - 2:23pm
Just because a person is in a leadership position doesn't mean they are a good leader. Some have power they aren't equipped to handle.
..........and then
Claire Coggins ?@claire_ksuhoops Protected Tweets Mar 27- 2:32 pm
It's interesting to see how people react when faced with adversity for the first time in their lives. Highroad? Or, Sabotage? #truecolors
Second one is interesting.
Are they talking about Deb or the girl who wants to transfer?
-
What leadership position would the second year player have, and what "power" would it grant you?
-
I took it as Currie for Shalee's. Claire's is potentially Leti or even a shot right back at Shalee.
Release the player. Put conditions on it if there is tampering regarding a former coach trying to get a job. Forcing a player to stay, especially one that has now gone public with their discontent is not going to help anyone.
-
Need more @'s from shalee and Claire and anyone else engaging in twitter. Too hard to interpret the passive aggressive vagueness of these tweets.
-
Need more @'s from shalee and Claire and anyone else engaging in twitter. Too hard to interpret the passive aggressive vagueness of these tweets.
This is the secondary tragedy here after whatever was done bad to Angel.
-
Is negative recruiting even a thing in women's basketball?
-
what is the definition of tampering?
i'm having trouble understanding how the former staff could "tamper" with a kstate player. they aren't employed by a rival school, correct?
-
Need more @'s from shalee and Claire and anyone else engaging in twitter. Too hard to interpret the passive aggressive vagueness of these tweets.
This is the secondary tragedy here after whatever was done bad to Angel.
Nothing bad was done to Angel. He requested a transfer after the 2012-13 season, and was granted a release to be "closer to his family".
Leti was given bad info.
-
Need more @'s from shalee and Claire and anyone else engaging in twitter. Too hard to interpret the passive aggressive vagueness of these tweets.
This is the secondary tragedy here after whatever was done bad to Angel.
Nothing bad was done to Angel. He requested a transfer after the 2012-13 season, and was granted a release to be "closer to his family".
Leti was given bad info.
What you said doesn't necessarily contradict what Leti said. She's talking about post 11-12. Kind of wish any of the media types that are regurgitating the same story about Leti would dig in on her Angel comment.
Who was our guy that was going to call Maymon's dad? They should call Leti and/or Deb and/or whoever else c-crap is implying gave the bad info so we can get to the bottom of the Angel comment. Would also be funny when the interviewee wants to talk about the Leti thing and our interview'r keeps redirecting the convo to Angel and Angel only.
-
Is negative recruiting even a thing in women's basketball?
It is when recruiting homophobe parents.
It's why female coaches frequently go over the top with religion...trying to ward off accusations of being lesbians. "She can't be gay, she loves Jesus!"
-
what is the definition of tampering?
i'm having trouble understanding how the former staff could "tamper" with a kstate player. they aren't employed by a rival school, correct?
I don't think it would be tampering in a NCAA rules violation sense but if a unemployed coach is recruiting a current K-State player to transfer then it is easy to see why K-State would consider it tampering.
-
It seems pretty likely that Shalee and Leti were trying to be a package deal.
-
it is easy to see why K-State would consider it tampering.
kstate appears to consider almost everything tampering.
-
you guys are really working hard at this
-
What you said doesn't necessarily contradict what Leti said. She's talking about post 11-12. Kind of wish any of the media types that are regurgitating the same story about Leti would dig in on her Angel comment.
Who was our guy that was going to call Maymon's dad? They should call Leti and/or Deb and/or whoever else c-crap is implying gave the bad info so we can get to the bottom of the Angel comment. Would also be funny when the interviewee wants to talk about the Leti thing and our interview'r keeps redirecting the convo to Angel and Angel only.
There's nothing to "dig in on" about Angel. The first time he requested a transfer was after the 12-13 season. His transfer release was granted. There was no prior agreement to stay a year.
K-State recommended that Leti stay a year, see if she liked the new staff. If she didn't like it, she could transfer with a release. Angel got a release, after staying a year, and K-State used him as an example. They also used other MBB team members that stayed and ended up liking oscar and his staff. But there was no prior arrangement with Angel that they then also offered to Leti.
This is where those in Leti's ear confused her, because she interpreted the above as though K-State offered some sort of 2012-preseason arrangement with Angel, and they did not.
-
K-State recommended that Leti stay a year, see if she liked the new staff. If she didn't like it, she could transfer with a release...
This is where those in Leti's ear confused her, because she interpreted the above as though K-State offered some sort of 2012-preseason arrangement with Angel, and they did not.
maybe she was confused because the school "recommending" that she stay if she wants a release was offering her the exact same deal they are claiming they were too noble to offer art.
-
So is she going to come back and play or go back to Spain?
-
Thanks for explaining that.
I think a big problem is Leti doesn't know how to play the game. If she and Shalee had just kept quiet (something obviously got out from them) and just asked K-State which schools were blocked they'd be fine right now. I get being upset with K-State here, but it seems clear Shalee and Leti did their part in messing up her transfer and Shalee (likely) attaching herself to Leti to get a better job.
-
Thanks for explaining that.
I think a big problem is Leti doesn't know how to play the game. If she and Shalee had just kept quiet (something obviously got out from them) and just asked K-State which schools were blocked they'd be fine right now. I get being upset with K-State here, but it seems clear Shalee and Leti did their part in messing up her transfer and Shalee (likely) attaching herself to Leti to get a better job.
be reasonable, _fan, how could kstate know which schools to block until romero tells them which schools are tampering her up? talk about not knowing the game.
-
What you said doesn't necessarily contradict what Leti said. She's talking about post 11-12. Kind of wish any of the media types that are regurgitating the same story about Leti would dig in on her Angel comment.
Who was our guy that was going to call Maymon's dad? They should call Leti and/or Deb and/or whoever else c-crap is implying gave the bad info so we can get to the bottom of the Angel comment. Would also be funny when the interviewee wants to talk about the Leti thing and our interview'r keeps redirecting the convo to Angel and Angel only.
There's nothing to "dig in on" about Angel. The first time he requested a transfer was after the 12-13 season. His transfer release was granted. There was no prior agreement to stay a year.
K-State recommended that Leti stay a year, see if she liked the new staff. If she didn't like it, she could transfer with a release. Angel got a release, after staying a year, and K-State used him as an example. They also used other MBB team members that stayed and ended up liking oscar and his staff. But there was no prior arrangement with Angel that they then also offered to Leti.
This is where those in Leti's ear confused her, because she interpreted the above as though K-State offered some sort of 2012-preseason arrangement with Angel, and they did not.
What's her phone number?
-
Thanks for explaining that.
I think a big problem is Leti doesn't know how to play the game. If she and Shalee had just kept quiet (something obviously got out from them) and just asked K-State which schools were blocked they'd be fine right now. I get being upset with K-State here, but it seems clear Shalee and Leti did their part in messing up her transfer and Shalee (likely) attaching herself to Leti to get a better job.
A lot of speculation in here but I agree that its the most likely scenario. If it is true, lol @ Shalee for badmouthing Currie when she is trying to leverage the athlete to improve her own situation.
-
A lot of speculation in here but I agree that its the most likely scenario. If it is true, lol @ Shalee for badmouthing Currie when she is trying to leverage the athlete to improve her own situation.
i think we can all agree that is egregious and lollable when someone who 1) can exert no tangible power over an athlete, and 2) who the athlete has voluntarily chosen to trust and associate with tries to leverage the athlete to their own benefit*. i just hope kstate can manage to recommend to romero a more ethical path forward.
* - leverage the athlete presumably meaning informing the athlete that there might be a way they could continue their professional relationship at another institution should both parties desire to do so.
-
ethical
Speaking of, I've established a line of communication with Leti. Submit your questions here.
-
What's going on here guys I don't follow hoe ball but this sounds dramatic
someone fill eastcat in
-
What's going on here guys I don't follow hoe ball but this sounds dramatic
someone fill eastcat in
ugh, the very worst
-
ethical
Speaking of, I've established a line of communication with Leti. Submit your questions here.
Leti...what the hell is going on here? Where do you want to go, why do you want to go there, and who is encouraging you to go there? Have you asked for, or received from, advice from any of the coaches who recruited you? TIA for your answers.
-
What's going on here guys I don't follow hoe ball but this sounds dramatic
someone fill eastcat in
ugh, the very worst
i usually just try not to engage, but can we get our first "racist and misogynist piece of crap" under his name?
-
Thanks for explaining that.
I think a big problem is Leti doesn't know how to play the game. If she and Shalee had just kept quiet (something obviously got out from them) and just asked K-State which schools were blocked they'd be fine right now. I get being upset with K-State here, but it seems clear Shalee and Leti did their part in messing up her transfer and Shalee (likely) attaching herself to Leti to get a better job.
A lot of speculation in here but I agree that its the most likely scenario. If it is true, lol @ Shalee for badmouthing Currie when she is trying to leverage the athlete to improve her own situation.
You call it leveraging an athlete to improve her situation; I call it Leti wanting to continue to play for the coach that recruited her, Shalee clearly didn't make Leti do anything she didn't want to do.
Again I'm not saying what Shalee supposedly did was right, I just have no idea what that has to do with K-State. Shalee doesn't work here anymore and Leti's scholarship is a one year agreement. I also think it's sad that another high profile former athlete is angry with this school because of the actions of this administration.
-
What's going on here guys I don't follow hoe ball but this sounds dramatic
someone fill eastcat in
ugh, the very worst
a lot of our very worst posters/human beings breathed a sigh of relief when east cat signed up here
-
I really like K-State. I don't like that this is making K-State look like trash. If there was actually something we could do to make anyone talking bad about us look like trash instead I vote we do that. Like, don't "take the high road" if it means K-State looks better. Go ahead and take the low road and look like studs. Because right now we look like trash.
-
What other "high profile" athletes are angry with K-State?
I mean, I heard for the longest time that Martin Gramatica wouldn't come back to K-State because of something that the Weefer or at least because of something someone in the Weefer/Weiser/Krause/Snyder junta did.
Who else is mad? Besides members of the former women's basketball coaching staff who were rightly let go after 5 years of plummeting results??
-
I really like K-State. I don't like that this is making K-State look like trash. If there was actually something we could do to make anyone talking bad about us look like trash instead I vote we do that. Like, don't "take the high road" if it means K-State looks better. Go ahead and take the low road and look like studs. Because right now we look like trash.
aside from the very angry people in this thread, i honestly don't think anyone cares enough about this for it to make k-state look like trash
jay bilas only jumped on it because it helps him further his agenda and otherwise wouldn't know we had a woman's basketball team
-
When Jay Bilas gets his way, and we turn athletic departments into for-profit organizations and start treating athletes like employees, we'll dump women's basketball and every other women's sport and none of this will even matter.
I vote we use this site to help KSU athletes organize! None of us will have to worry about issues like this ever again. It will be wonderful!
-
I really like K-State. I don't like that this is making K-State look like trash. If there was actually something we could do to make anyone talking bad about us look like trash instead I vote we do that. Like, don't "take the high road" if it means K-State looks better. Go ahead and take the low road and look like studs. Because right now we look like trash.
aside from the very angry people in this thread, i honestly don't think anyone cares enough about this for it to make k-state look like trash
jay bilas only jumped on it because it helps him further his agenda and otherwise wouldn't know we had a woman's basketball team
You really don't think that this could be used against, K-State wbb and/or other sports in recruiting? This isn't one coach it's an athletic department policy.
Also your stance of this doesn't matter because no one cares about women's basketball is surprisingly unrefined.
-
There are lots of things that can be used against any school in the recruitment process.
Is there a school that goes in and positions themselves in recruiting by telling recruits that if they (the coaches who are doing the recruiting) are fired, don't worry, because the recruit will be given an immediate release by the school to follow the former coaches to wherever they end up?
-
When Jay Bilas gets his way, and we turn athletic departments into for-profit organizations and start treating athletes like employees, we'll dump women's basketball and every other women's sport and none of this will even matter.
The absolute worst thing about the abolish the NCAA and pay athletes crowd is that they'll tell you that they care about the athletes and the NCAA doesn't. However, they completely ignore that their model would hurt many more athletes than it would help.
-
Here's how I see this shaking out:
- This isn't going to really affect KSU's recruiting in any sport.
- Leti may have diminished whatever her chances were to play in the WNBA by going to the press with overblown complaints and misstated facts.
- Shalee may have improved her chances of getting a good coaching job by bringing along a good player.
:zzz:
-
Here's how I see this shaking out:
- This isn't going to really affect KSU's recruiting in any sport.
- Leti may have diminished whatever her chances were to play in the WNBA by going to the press with overblown complaints and misstated facts.
- Shalee may have improved her chances of getting a good coaching job by bringing along a good player.
:zzz:
That sound about right (including :zzz:)
-
I like Jay Bilas and think he has a lot of good ideas and soapbox causes. But I have 2 very good friends in the legal community in Charlotte who know Jay, and Jay is all about Jay; first, foremost and always.
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
-
Here's how I see this shaking out:
- This isn't going to really affect KSU's recruiting in any sport.
- Leti may have diminished whatever her chances were to play in the WNBA by going to the press with overblown complaints and misstated facts.
- Shalee may have improved her chances of getting a good coaching job by bringing along a good player.
:zzz:
1. You don't know that.
2. :ROFL: you really don't think some pro team is going to care about a freshman airing grievances against her school do you? I mean even if she gets drafted it won't be until 2017 at the earliest. Are you saying this is a character issue that will follow her for three years?
3. We all agree with this
-
I really like K-State. I don't like that this is making K-State look like trash. If there was actually something we could do to make anyone talking bad about us look like trash instead I vote we do that. Like, don't "take the high road" if it means K-State looks better. Go ahead and take the low road and look like studs. Because right now we look like trash.
aside from the very angry people in this thread, i honestly don't think anyone cares enough about this for it to make k-state look like trash
jay bilas only jumped on it because it helps him further his agenda and otherwise wouldn't know we had a woman's basketball team
You really don't think that this could be used against, K-State wbb and/or other sports in recruiting? This isn't one coach it's an athletic department policy.
Also your stance of this doesn't matter because no one cares about women's basketball is surprisingly unrefined.
i certainly think it can be used against us. i'm quite sure that it will be. when it is, i hope that the staff addresses the issue with the recruit and explains why k-state felt the need to take the stance that they have.
i just don't think it's on the radar of the majority of the college athletics world. and i never claimed it doesn't matter because no one cares about women's basketball- simply stating that bilas' outrage is nothing but self serving at best.
-
Here's how I see this shaking out:
- This isn't going to really affect KSU's recruiting in any sport.
- Leti may have diminished whatever her chances were to play in the WNBA by going to the press with overblown complaints and misstated facts.
- Shalee may have improved her chances of getting a good coaching job by bringing along a good player.
:zzz:
1. You don't know that.
2. :ROFL: you really don't think some pro team is going to care about a freshman airing grievances against her school do you? I mean even if she gets drafted it won't be until 2017 at the earliest. Are you saying this is a character issue that will follow her for three years?
3. We all agree with this
Yeah, this probably doesn't matter for the WNBA or any European leagues.
And while nobody knows how much it might affect recruiting, I think it will be minimal at most. Other schools might use it for negative recruiting, but this is a pretty unique situation because there was a coaching change. I really think the biggest problem here is that Romero's main US handler is probably Shalee and they didn't do a very good job keeping things quiet once Shalee quit. IMO.
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
Where have I said K-State was absolutely in the right here?
I haven't.
I've said K-State is in the right IF one or two very SPECIFIC things were happening.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here. You're the last person who should be calling anyone a hypocrite.
-
- Leti may have diminished whatever her chances were to play in the WNBA by going to the press with overblown complaints and misstated facts.
2. :ROFL: you really don't think some pro team is going to care about a freshman airing grievances against her school do you? I mean even if she gets drafted it won't be until 2017 at the earliest. Are you saying this is a character issue that will follow her for three years?
If she's a borderline player, I think it will be taken into consideration in 2017 or whenever, yes. She went to the press to accuse KSU of "blackmail" during the transfer approval process. (That was her word, not the reporters' right?) That's pretty unusual, and might give a coach/GM pause. All I can say is if I were hiring an employee in a business that gets press, I would take it into consideration.
If she turns into a first-round lock, no, it won't matter at all. Not at all.
-
i honestly don't think anyone cares enough about this for it to make k-state look like trash
goEMAW's constant fight against any injustice universally acknowledged to be unjust. #racism, #homophobia, #poors, #romero.
-
I think most of you are looking at the situation all wrong. This could actually really help our recruiting in the long run.
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here. You're the last person who should be calling anyone a hypocrite.
Pretty hypocritical to call someone unstable in the same sentence in which you invoke the name of Lucifer, your Lord.
-
She went to the press to accuse KSU of "blackmail" during the transfer approval process. (That was her word, not the reporters' right?)
Definitely hers and not the reporters'. In fact, Kinder tried to bail her out by omitting it from his initial story, which is kind of weird.
Romero said she felt like K-State was “blackmailing” her to stay. That’s an awfully strong way to describe what she’s gone through in the past month and I have no doubt that’s truly how she feels. Romero speaks with conviction.
Even so, I chose not to use that comment in my initial story on Tuesday that first reported Romero is seeking a transfer because I felt it was too loaded and wasn’t needed to accurately tell her story. Another outlet did and this entire thing went national by Wednesday, which put even more pressure on K-State.
- See more at: http://themercury.com/articles/kinder-romeros-case-makes-k-state-look-like-a-bully#sthash.yv9aZZeX.dpuf
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here. You're the last person who should be calling anyone a hypocrite.
Pretty hypocritical to call someone unstable in the same sentence in which you invoke the name of Lucifer, your Lord.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F2f%2F2f3640a3393b93b2fb5049e133de5addf3bef697aa7e96e11d866c2399f0b0e8.jpg&hash=b5515c9ef656099c49cd14705f4a9bd8855b39a0)
-
Left with nothing again. Sorry Beems, but probably one of your worst efforts.
Maybe next time.
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here. You're the last person who should be calling anyone a hypocrite.
Pretty hypocritical to call someone unstable in the same sentence in which you invoke the name of Lucifer, your Lord.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F2f%2F2f3640a3393b93b2fb5049e133de5addf3bef697aa7e96e11d866c2399f0b0e8.jpg&hash=b5515c9ef656099c49cd14705f4a9bd8855b39a0)
Que?
-
Left with nothing again. Sorry Beems, but probably one of your worst efforts.
Maybe next time.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here.
-
Left with nothing again. Sorry Beems, but probably one of your worst efforts.
Maybe next time.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here.
Copying and pasting brilliance will win you no favor.
Sorry . . . Friends?
-
She went to the press to accuse KSU of "blackmail" during the transfer approval process. (That was her word, not the reporters' right?)
Definitely hers and not the reporters'. In fact, Kinder tried to bail her out by omitting it from his initial story, which is kind of weird.
Romero said she felt like K-State was “blackmailing” her to stay. That’s an awfully strong way to describe what she’s gone through in the past month and I have no doubt that’s truly how she feels. Romero speaks with conviction.
Even so, I chose not to use that comment in my initial story on Tuesday that first reported Romero is seeking a transfer because I felt it was too loaded and wasn’t needed to accurately tell her story. Another outlet did and this entire thing went national by Wednesday, which put even more pressure on K-State.
- See more at: http://themercury.com/articles/kinder-romeros-case-makes-k-state-look-like-a-bully#sthash.yv9aZZeX.dpuf
WTF? Man our media is so terrible, I'm sure it is on par with most small college town media though. He omitted what the story was to protect K-State, what a joke.
-
She went to the press to accuse KSU of "blackmail" during the transfer approval process. (That was her word, not the reporters' right?)
Definitely hers and not the reporters'. In fact, Kinder tried to bail her out by omitting it from his initial story, which is kind of weird.
Romero said she felt like K-State was “blackmailing” her to stay. That’s an awfully strong way to describe what she’s gone through in the past month and I have no doubt that’s truly how she feels. Romero speaks with conviction.
Even so, I chose not to use that comment in my initial story on Tuesday that first reported Romero is seeking a transfer because I felt it was too loaded and wasn’t needed to accurately tell her story. Another outlet did and this entire thing went national by Wednesday, which put even more pressure on K-State.
- See more at: http://themercury.com/articles/kinder-romeros-case-makes-k-state-look-like-a-bully#sthash.yv9aZZeX.dpuf
WTF? Man our media is so terrible, I'm sure it is on par with most small college town media though. He omitted what the story was to protect K-State, what a joke.
All you have to when reading a Josh Kinder story is to remember that the quotes in the story may be inaccurate or incomplete, but whatever is missing wasn't necessary for the story, in Josh Kinder's opinion.
-
Left with nothing again. Sorry Beems, but probably one of your worst efforts.
Maybe next time.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here.
Copying and pasting brilliance will win you no favor.
Sorry . . . Friends?
I'm still waiting for you to finish that sentence.
-
Did the Angel comment ever get clarified?
No. From what I have gathered in this thread and on twitter, the investigation is ongoing and headed by Trim
-
What other "high profile" athletes are angry with K-State?
I mean, I heard for the longest time that Martin Gramatica wouldn't come back to K-State because of something that the Weefer or at least because of something someone in the Weefer/Weiser/Krause/Snyder junta did.
Who else is mad? Besides members of the former women's basketball coaching staff who were rightly let go after 5 years of plummeting results??
I was wondering the same thing. Did this question ever get answered?
-
Left with nothing again. Sorry Beems, but probably one of your worst efforts.
Maybe next time.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here.
Copying and pasting brilliance will win you no favor.
Sorry . . . Friends?
I'm still waiting for you to finish that sentence.
You left out the next sentence.
Look, you know you're pretty much on the edge of rage when you're playing the role of, dare I say it? Grammar Nazi.
Plenty of effort has gone into the thread on this topic over that the Phog, I am sure you've got plenty more to say over there, so no need to hijack this thread.
-
Did the Angel comment ever get clarified?
No. From what I have gathered in this thread and on twitter, the investigation is ongoing and headed by Trim
:thumbs:
-
if we don't find out, pretty f'n quick, what's going on then i'm just going to be even madder than i already am. this sh_t is ridiculous! i am pissed off and honestly am ready to blow a stack!
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here. You're the last person who should be calling anyone a hypocrite.
Pretty hypocritical to call someone unstable in the same sentence in which you invoke the name of Lucifer, your Lord.
I'm not ashamed to say this but.... I think I'm in love with Spracne.
-
Jay is going nuts on twitter
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Jay is going nuts on twitter
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Good for K-State recruits to note - KSU handbook says it will deny most transfers: http://bit.ly/1kKAfyq EWAH - Every Wildcat A Hostage?
That isn't very nice.
-
The Animal needs to respond to him and threaten to kill him......
BTW.....WTH does Bilas know about our university? Did he sit in on the committee meeting? No. Twitter people need to jump his jock and ask him to shut up since he is not part of the AD/university, and anything tied to KSU!!
-
You're such a hypocrite, Dax. If KU was holding one of our players hostage, you'd be on one of your anti-KU crusades for weeks on end.
LOL, in your bipolar, multi-board rage and affirmation fests, where you have an absolute free reign to post whatever you want too here. You're the last person who should be calling anyone a hypocrite.
Pretty hypocritical to call someone unstable in the same sentence in which you invoke the name of Lucifer, your Lord.
I'm not ashamed to say this but.... I think I'm in love with Spracne.
The kids got skillz.
-
Be gentle Jay.
John Currie ?@John_Currie 46s
Looking forward to sitting down w @jaybilas this AM. National transfer issues are complex/need reform... (Cont'd)
-
Be gentle Jay.
John Currie ?@John_Currie 46s
Looking forward to sitting down w @jaybilas this AM. National transfer issues are complex/need reform... (Cont'd)
Is this on ESPN or somewhere? Currie could be about to get his ass kicked
-
Be gentle Jay.
John Currie ?@John_Currie 46s
Looking forward to sitting down w @jaybilas this AM. National transfer issues are complex/need reform... (Cont'd)
Is this on ESPN or somewhere? Currie could be about to get his ass kicked
by a one sided argument!
-
i'm just going to come out and say it- if currie doesn't get his ass kicked by bilas then i'm going to be so pissed off at currie that i'm going to @ him on twitter.
-
i hope currie brings the animal with him :ohno:
-
John Currie ?@John_Currie 11m
Generally speaking, on RARE occasions that we have denied a student-athlete transfer release... (Cont'd)
John Currie ?@John_Currie 10m
It has been because of concerns about outside tampering, undue influence by third parties... (Cont'd)
John Currie ?@John_Currie 9m
or procedures not being followed in an honest and forthright manner.
-
Who has actually been denied? Romero and that offensive lineman a couple years ago? That's all I can remember.
-
Who has actually been denied? Romero and that offensive lineman a couple years ago? That's all I can remember.
That we know of. Could be more, most of the time you don't hear about transfers until they transfer. If denied then nothing to see/hear.
-
:popcorn:
Boy it just keeps getting better and better. I hope they release a DVD
-
I don't care about WBB so this doesn't matter to me, really. However, I don't mind the hard stance that we have chosen. From what I had heard, after Deb was axed (3 years too late probably), that several major schools tried recruiting Romero to their program although she had not yet declared her intentions to transfer.
From what I have gathered is that if Romero would have immediately declared her intention to transfer rather than sit around here, while still on scholarship and communicate with other programs, then this whole situation could have been avoided.
-
I don't care about WBB so this doesn't matter to me, really. However, I don't mind the hard stance that we have chosen. From what I had heard, after Deb was axed (3 years too late probably), that several major schools tried recruiting Romero to their program although she had not yet declared her intentions to transfer.
From what I have gathered is that if Romero would have immediately declared her intention to transfer rather than sit around here, while still on scholarship and communicate with other programs, then this whole situation could have been avoided.
If that is the case then you limit the release to where she can't go to those schools and release her. This is a none revenue sport that no one cares about... until you do something like this. Now all the sudden this is being brought up by Jay Bilas! And why? just to prove a point on a sport that no one cares about? So we are choosing to take a stand and a black eye on something meaningless. :th_twocents:
-
I don't disagree with you catz. But by the same token, you can't just give in if it's tampering. You can't make it easy for other schools/coaches to tamper with your players, and no, saying it happens all the time doesn't change anything. Other schools aren't just going to roll over on a tampering case, unless they just don't want the player, why should K-State IF that is indeed the case?
-
I don't care about WBB so this doesn't matter to me, really. However, I don't mind the hard stance that we have chosen. From what I had heard, after Deb was axed (3 years too late probably), that several major schools tried recruiting Romero to their program although she had not yet declared her intentions to transfer.
From what I have gathered is that if Romero would have immediately declared her intention to transfer rather than sit around here, while still on scholarship and communicate with other programs, then this whole situation could have been avoided.
If that is the case then you limit the release to where she can't go to those schools and release her. This is a none revenue sport that no one cares about... until you do something like this. Now all the sudden this is being brought up by Jay Bilas! And why? just to prove a point on a sport that no one cares about? So we are choosing to take a stand and a black eye on something meaningless. :th_twocents:
I agree. But you can't just cave and let someone tamper with a player on scholarship.
I think it more or less speaks to the uniform policy by the AD regarding this. I can't imagine the same case took place with Tomasi Mariner where schools were beating down the door to ask him to come lace them up, so there must be extenuating circumstances.
-
I don't care about WBB so this doesn't matter to me, really. However, I don't mind the hard stance that we have chosen. From what I had heard, after Deb was axed (3 years too late probably), that several major schools tried recruiting Romero to their program although she had not yet declared her intentions to transfer.
From what I have gathered is that if Romero would have immediately declared her intention to transfer rather than sit around here, while still on scholarship and communicate with other programs, then this whole situation could have been avoided.
If that is the case then you limit the release to where she can't go to those schools and release her. This is a none revenue sport that no one cares about... until you do something like this. Now all the sudden this is being brought up by Jay Bilas! And why? just to prove a point on a sport that no one cares about? So we are choosing to take a stand and a black eye on something meaningless. :th_twocents:
you can't use the "sport know one cares about" stance to defend your arguement. that establishes differential treatment for certain athlete groups, which isn't exactly a precedent you want to set.
-
This thread really separates the independent thinkers from the KSU fanboy conformists.
-
So are there rules in place against "tampering" or not?
-
You know, I had forgotten about the Manase Foketi situation. I also find it funny how a kid from California who wanted to transfer "closer to home" ended up at West Texas A&M.
-
Did the Angel comment ever get clarified?
No. From what I have gathered in this thread and on twitter, the investigation is ongoing and headed by Trim
:facepalm: It has been clarified.
-
You know, I had forgotten about the Manase Foketi situation. I also find it funny how a kid from California who wanted to transfer "closer to home" ended up at West Texas A&M.
it's about 8 hours closer to his home
-
So are there rules in place against "tampering" or not?
yes.
-
This thread really separates the independent thinkers from the KSU fanboy conformists.
You're reading this thread? What is wrong with you?
-
So are there rules in place against "tampering" or not?
yes.
So why does KSU need to get involved? Let the NCAA take care of monitoring tampering.
-
Be gentle Jay.
John Currie ?@John_Currie 46s
Looking forward to sitting down w @jaybilas this AM. National transfer issues are complex/need reform... (Cont'd)
John Currie ?@John_Currie 11m
Generally speaking, on RARE occasions that we have denied a student-athlete transfer release... (Cont'd)
John Currie ?@John_Currie 10m
It has been because of concerns about outside tampering, undue influence by third parties... (Cont'd)
John Currie ?@John_Currie 9m
or procedures not being followed in an honest and forthright manner.
Man the damage is done, just move on. I am one who obviously vehemently disagrees with what we're doing in this case and our policy, but I feel this is best served with us letting it go. There is nothing Currie can say that will convince us that this is right. I'm not sure why he thinks what he has to say will convince anyone that student-athletes shouldn't be able to transfer whenever they want. Why can't he just let Bilas rant? Going back and forth about this is just keeping it afloat, I hope he doesn't say anything that ends up on ESPN.com
-
This thread really separates the independent thinkers from the KSU fanboy conformists.
shut up
-
So are there rules in place against "tampering" or not?
yes.
So why does KSU need to get involved? Let the NCAA take care of monitoring tampering.
It is a K-State player. They are already involved. The investigation is ongoing, and once complete could be turned over to the NCAA.
-
No one is more surprised than me, but Fitz actually has accurate sources on this one. If you read his story on Romero, it spells out K-State's reasoning for the denial pretty clearly.
-
Fitz is claiming the former regime has been "destroying records" on the way out (paper, e-mail, etc). He also said Mittie offered Shalee a job that she declined.
-
So are there rules in place against "tampering" or not?
yes.
So why does KSU need to get involved? Let the NCAA take care of monitoring tampering.
It is a K-State player. They are already involved. The investigation is ongoing, and once complete could be turned over to the NCAA.
So what are they protecting? Let the player go, and if the NCAA finds the tampering allegations to be valid, they can handle the punishment, can't they?
-
Wasn't it found that Deb had purchased laptops for players a few years ago?
-
We could also put a sign out on I-70 that says "come talk to our players and see if they'd like to play at your school!"
-
Fitz is claiming the former regime has been "destroying records" on the way out (paper, e-mail, etc). He also said Mittie offered Shalee a job that she declined.
I do know for a fact that someone stumbled upon several trash bags of "stuff" thrown in a ditch somewhere that had belonged to Deb. Said it was filled with all sorts of things, papers, laptop, other official stuff etc/
-
Time to clean house. Let them all go and tell mittie to build his cat house ball club from the ground up. In the mean time let oscar Chet Chris and Fraise gang run the BTF as they please.
-
Time to clean house. Let them all go and tell mittie to build his cat house ball club from the ground up. In the mean time let oscar Chet Chris and Fraise gang run the BTF as they please.
:confused:
-
Fitz is claiming the former regime has been "destroying records" on the way out (paper, e-mail, etc). He also said Mittie offered Shalee a job that she declined.
:cry: That is sad news. I :love: Shalee Lehning
-
So what are they protecting? Let the player go, and if the NCAA finds the tampering allegations to be valid, they can handle the punishment, can't they?
They are protecting current and future K-State players. I think that's obvious.
-
We could also put a sign out on I-70 that says "come talk to our players and see if they'd like to play at your school . . . and we aren't going to do anything about it!!"
FYP . . . I can't believe the stance by some. Damage? What kind of damage are you going to have on your hands if you send a clear and concise message to all the trash that's out there in the college coaching ranks that it's open season on your current players?
Oh, and one more time, saying it happens all the time is not a defensible position.
-
Seems like a lot of butthurt from former regime, including Shalee.
-
Fitz is claiming the former regime has been "destroying records" on the way out (paper, e-mail, etc). He also said Mittie offered Shalee a job that she declined.
:cry: That is sad news. I :love: Shalee Lehning
well if everything Fitz is claiming is true, Lehning has her hands just as dirty as anyone.
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
-
Fitz is claiming the former regime has been "destroying records" on the way out (paper, e-mail, etc). He also said Mittie offered Shalee a job that she declined.
:cry: That is sad news. I :love: Shalee Lehning
well if everything Fitz is claiming is true, Lehning has her hands just as dirty as anyone.
drop her god damn tarp from the rafters and put up Jakes.
-
Fitz is claiming the former regime has been "destroying records" on the way out (paper, e-mail, etc). He also said Mittie offered Shalee a job that she declined.
:cry: That is sad news. I :love: Shalee Lehning
well if everything Fitz is claiming is true, Lehning has her hands just as dirty as anyone.
drop her god damn tarp from the rafters and put up Jakes.
:emawkid:
She's a traitor! Get her! :Carl:
-
Seems like a lot of butthurt from former regime, including Shalee.
Yes, it sounds like Lehning (with a lot of help from Patterson) screwed this up (at least partially) with the manner in which they left. Plus if everyone (mainly Lehning and Romero) had just kept quiet and laid low until the release was granted, they'd be shopping their services right now. I think its reasonable to assume they made their connection in trying to find another school so obvious that K-State was forced to do something about it (or at least they felt they were).
-
So what are they protecting? Let the player go, and if the NCAA finds the tampering allegations to be valid, they can handle the punishment, can't they?
They are protecting current and future K-State players. I think that's obvious.
I think it's obvious they do not care about current and future K-State players. (I'm not saying that's wrong.)
I don't understand why there are rules in place if no one has to wait for them to be investigated and enforced and just drop the hammer at the hint of a violation.
-
Well the default stance by K-State is that all transfer requests are denied, which is what Bilas has been on about all morning. So essentially K-State didn't have to do anything.
-
All press is good press, just another day in BITB John Currie.
-
So what are they protecting? Let the player go, and if the NCAA finds the tampering allegations to be valid, they can handle the punishment, can't they?
They are protecting current and future K-State players. I think that's obvious.
I think it's obvious they do not care about current and future K-State players. (I'm not saying that's wrong.)
I don't understand why there are rules in place if no one has to wait for them to be investigated and enforced and just drop the hammer at the hint of a violation.
The only hammer that's been dropped is the fact that K-State says they're not going to allow the transfer. I feel pretty comfortable with the fact that K-State's reasons for not allowing the transfer are pretty solid and are not being done out of vindictiveness or spite.
Every 500 days or so, MisFitzermation actually makes a fairly solid point. If you knowingly allow tampering, than recruiting never ends. The Roy Williams of the world graduate from an ongoing stream of various greeting cards, feelers and bumps to cash and cars.
-
Former K-State commit switches to KU:
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/21/4973097/olathe-souths-kylee-kopatich-switches.html#tnt_refhome (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/21/4973097/olathe-souths-kylee-kopatich-switches.html#tnt_refhome)
“I know she loved the staff that was let go,” Ingram said. “K-State was a little slow saying whether they would honor that commitment, so they went to seek a Plan B. KU was definitely on her list when she was making the choice the first time around and she liked the staff. I think this will be a better fit for her.”
So K-State wants players to honor their commitment to K-State, but they don't want to honor their commitment to the players. Shameful.
:bwpopcorn:
-
Former K-State commit switches to KU:
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/21/4973097/olathe-souths-kylee-kopatich-switches.html#tnt_refhome (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/21/4973097/olathe-souths-kylee-kopatich-switches.html#tnt_refhome)
“I know she loved the staff that was let go,” Ingram said. “K-State was a little slow saying whether they would honor that commitment, so they went to seek a Plan B. KU was definitely on her list when she was making the choice the first time around and she liked the staff. I think this will be a better fit for her.”
So K-State wants players to honor their commitment to K-State, but they don't want to honor their commitment to the players. Shameful.
:bwpopcorn:
The new K-State coaching staff Captain Butthurt. Terrible talking point. I mean, just rough ridin' awful.
Sad.
-
Former K-State commit switches to KU:
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/21/4973097/olathe-souths-kylee-kopatich-switches.html#tnt_refhome (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/21/4973097/olathe-souths-kylee-kopatich-switches.html#tnt_refhome)
“I know she loved the staff that was let go,” Ingram said. “K-State was a little slow saying whether they would honor that commitment, so they went to seek a Plan B. KU was definitely on her list when she was making the choice the first time around and she liked the staff. I think this will be a better fit for her.”
So K-State wants players to honor their commitment to K-State, but they don't want to honor their commitment to the players. Shameful.
:bwpopcorn:
Mittie wouldn't buy her a new laptop. :dunno:
-
So what are they protecting? Let the player go, and if the NCAA finds the tampering allegations to be valid, they can handle the punishment, can't they?
They are protecting current and future K-State players. I think that's obvious.
I think it's obvious they do not care about current and future K-State players. (I'm not saying that's wrong.)
I don't understand why there are rules in place if no one has to wait for them to be investigated and enforced and just drop the hammer at the hint of a violation.
The only hammer that's been dropped is the fact that K-State says they're not going to allow the transfer. I feel pretty comfortable with the fact that K-State's reasons for not allowing the transfer are pretty solid and are not being done out of vindictiveness or spite.
That's a pretty strong hammer and seems pretty vindictive. I mean, the options for Leti are:
1) Be somewhere you don't want to be.
2) Pay your own way to another school, not play.
3) Abandon CBB and go to Spain
Those are mean options.
Every 500 days or so, MisFitzermation actually makes a fairly solid point. If you knowingly allow tampering, than recruiting never ends. The Roy Williams of the world graduate from an ongoing stream of various greeting cards, feelers and bumps to cash and cars.
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
-
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
Maybe I just don't follow, and no, allowing or not allowing a player to transfer doesn't make tampering legal.
Oh, and recruiting probably doesn't ever end depending on how you want to define recruiting. Is it illogical to not have some policy, or at least a thought process in place that says you're not going to allow a player to transfer if there's tampering going on? Having a process in place that can decide the allowance of a transfer seems like pretty sound and prudent policy doesn't it?
I'm pretty much with _fan; if what is being put out there actually did occur than the former coach(es) and player are pretty damn stupid. They left K-State with pretty much no other choice. No athletic program is likely ever going to knowingly allow their current players to be used by former coaches as pawns to get former coaches a new job. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would even think about questioning a policy of that nature.
-
That's a pretty strong hammer and seems pretty vindictive. I mean, the options for Leti are:
1) Be somewhere you don't want to be.
2) Pay your own way to another school, not play.
3) Abandon CBB and go to Spain
Those are mean options.
Can't she also go JUCO or lower division and play a year on scholarship? That's what the articles have indicated. I'm not going to cry too many tears for her. She'll land on her feet, I'm pretty sure.
-
No athletic program is likely ever going to allow their current players to be used by former coaches as pawns to get former coaches a new job. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would even think about questioning a policy of that nature.
Agreed. A handler whoring out a current player as a package deal to the highest bidder is not what K-State wants to make easier by releasing her at the moment. They may be waiting to approve her transfer release until the investigation is complete, and other dominoes fall.
-
That's a pretty strong hammer and seems pretty vindictive. I mean, the options for Leti are:
1) Be somewhere you don't want to be.
2) Pay your own way to another school, not play.
3) Abandon CBB and go to Spain
Those are mean options.
Can't she also go JUCO or lower division and play a year on scholarship? That's what the articles have indicated. I'm not going to cry too many tears for her. She'll land on her feet, I'm pretty sure.
She'd still have to pay a lot of money for room and board.
-
Just as I predicted, Lehning is not K-State Proud.
-
No athletic program is likely ever going to allow their current players to be used by former coaches as pawns to get former coaches a new job. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would even think about questioning a policy of that nature.
Agreed. A handler whoring out a current player as a package deal to the highest bidder is not what K-State wants to make easier by releasing her at the moment. They may be waiting to approve her transfer release until the investigation is complete, and other dominoes fall.
So why not just limit the release to that coach?
Also, LMAO at blaming the coaches for using a player as a "pawn". Our administrators are doing the exact same thing - nothing wrong with admitting they're rough ridin' over a player to protect their new coach's interests. It's actually far more admirable than the faux-moral high ground stance they're taking.
-
I'm just gonna go ahead and say what everyone else is thinking. Two words...
Frank Martin.
-
guys, all of this makes me look at Shalee's eye brows so much different now. I think I gave here the benefit of the doubt since I thought she was so EMAW....now she just looks so evil and mean headed.
-
I don't think you can restrict a transfer to a specific coach, especially a coach that isnt currently employed. I would think it would be restricted by school or conference.
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
-
No athletic program is likely ever going to allow their current players to be used by former coaches as pawns to get former coaches a new job. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would even think about questioning a policy of that nature.
Agreed. A handler whoring out a current player as a package deal to the highest bidder is not what K-State wants to make easier by releasing her at the moment. They may be waiting to approve her transfer release until the investigation is complete, and other dominoes fall.
So why not just limit the release to that coach?
Also, LMAO at blaming the coaches for using a player as a "pawn". Our administrators are doing the exact same thing - nothing wrong with admitting they're rough ridin' over a player to protect their new coach's interests. It's actually far more admirable than the faux-moral high ground stance they're taking.
Well in our era of litigiousness you pretty much have to take the faux moral high ground, to go to far out there on commentary about the situation risks violation of federal law.
Plus, I suspect at the end of the day, she'll get a restricted release. But you and I don't know what was said in the hearing, and I suspect she wanted an unrestricted release. Thus the denial.
-
No athletic program is likely ever going to allow their current players to be used by former coaches as pawns to get former coaches a new job. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would even think about questioning a policy of that nature.
Agreed. A handler whoring out a current player as a package deal to the highest bidder is not what K-State wants to make easier by releasing her at the moment. They may be waiting to approve her transfer release until the investigation is complete, and other dominoes fall.
Why care? When they're gone they're gone. We have institutional nosy-ness. Mind your own damn business.
-
so fitz's story doesn't clear anything up re: angel....
"throwing around the word "blackmail" and claiming Rodriguez was denied a request two years ago when Weber was hired.
Funny thing is Rodriguez never made such a request. Funny thing is no one from K-State, from South Carolina (where the coaches who recruited Rodriguez are now working), or from his home region of South Florida/Puerto Rico ever made such a claim.
The world only heard about this after Romero stated it. It's a claim that simply is not rooted in fact. (FYI, Romero arrived at K-State after Rodriguez departed for the University of Miami.)"
but romero actually said this...
“They said we wanted to do the same thing they did with Angel (Rodriguez) for the men’s team, and they said that they weren’t going to give me the release this year,” Romero said. “They wanted me to try one year, and in one year if I didn’t like it, they would give me a release.
“I really saw this as blackmail.”
She never said that he requested one and was denied. Only that she was offered a deal and it was the same deal that was offered to Angel. I bet the deal was offered to Angel and he took it, knowing that he'd leave in a year after rod and jo were gone. i bet if angel would have filed, his would've been denied too. this is a big deal to me so let's all focus in on this for now.
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
No one said it wasn't going to be a consequence, but what AD wants a situation where if they fire a coach they just give the former coach free and open season on all the current players at the coaches former program to dangle in front of other perspective employers? No AD is going to be make it that easy, particularly IF it was done in a blatant and overt fashion. No AD worth two shits is going to just allow that to happen that easily.
-
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
Well yeah.
The message here is really "do your tampering like everyone else that is smart does it; quiet and behind the scenes. If you rub it in our faces or make it clear, we are going to do something about it."
-
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
I agree. It does seem like maybe John Currie is preparing for something litigious coming down the pipe involving Deb and the old regime and is using Leti as leverage until he gets the info he needs. Maybe more life insurance policies from Krause?
I can't imagine any other reason for not letting her go.
-
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
Well yeah.
The message here is really "do your tampering like everyone else that is smart does it; quiet and behind the scenes. If you rub it in our faces or make it clear, we are going to do something about it."
yep. i bet shalee and the basketball player were all middle fingers and the AD was all we'll show you two and shakes fist.
-
She never said that he requested one and was denied. Only that she was offered a deal and it was the same deal that was offered to Angel. I bet the deal was offered to Angel and he took it, knowing that he'd leave in a year after rod and jo were gone. i bet if angel would have filed, his would've been denied too. this is a big deal to me so let's all focus in on this for now.
Again, this is because Leti was instructed to bring up Angel, and was either given bad info or was being intentionally misled.
Angel first requested a transfer after the 2013 season, and it was granted. End of story.
You are welcome to keep digging because of her comment -- I can't think of a worse source of accurate info on Angel's transfer than Leti Romero, but knock yourself out I guess.
-
Aye Aye, Craptain
-
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
Well yeah.
The message here is really "do your tampering like everyone else that is smart does it; quiet and behind the scenes. If you rub it in our faces or make it clear, we are going to do something about it."
but the thing is, this doesn't eff over Shalee, much. It really only fucks over Leti.
-
She never said that he requested one and was denied. Only that she was offered a deal and it was the same deal that was offered to Angel. I bet the deal was offered to Angel and he took it, knowing that he'd leave in a year after rod and jo were gone. i bet if angel would have filed, his would've been denied too. this is a big deal to me so let's all focus in on this for now.
Again, this is because Leti was instructed to bring up Angel, and was either given bad info or was being intentionally misled.
Angel first requested a transfer after the 2013 season, and it was granted. End of story.
You are welcome to keep digging because of her comment -- I can't think of a worse source of accurate info on Angel's transfer than Leti Romero, but knock yourself out I guess.
I don't give much weight to her comment, but what motivation would you have to be candid with us about that situation, anyway?
-
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
Well yeah.
The message here is really "do your tampering like everyone else that is smart does it; quiet and behind the scenes. If you rub it in our faces or make it clear, we are going to do something about it."
but the thing is, this doesn't eff over Shalee, much. It really only fucks over Leti.
It might cost Shalee a better job (or the job she wants). Its not like she's proven to be a great recruiter, she's only proven to be a great recruiter of Leti Romero via Skype. That's not real marketable if Leti doesn't come with her.
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
-
I don't give much weight to her comment, but what motivation would you have to be candid with us about that situation, anyway?
Why wouldn't I be candid?
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
No one said it wasn't going to be a consequence, but what AD wants a situation where if they fire a coach they just give the former coach free and open season on all the current players at the coaches former program to dangle in front of other perspective employers? No AD is going to be make it that easy, particularly IF it was done in a blatant and overt fashion. No AD worth two shits is going to just allow that to happen that easily.
Players following coaches is far from unusual. The AD should only care if a player wants to leave or stay, once a player decides to leave there is no reason for the AD to care, if there is a tampering concern use the NCAA and leave it alone.
-
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement. Dominoes will fall, and Leti will eventually be granted a restricted transfer release.
-
Serious question, why didn't Currie tweet this stuff 4 days ago when it was just a crap storm before it became a crap-a-cane. We all saw it wasn't going away. How many BB players that got Franked got realeased? Surely an intern can go thru the paper work and come up with a stat like "over the last 3 years 85% of release requests have been granted" 4 days ago.
-
She never said that he requested one and was denied. Only that she was offered a deal and it was the same deal that was offered to Angel. I bet the deal was offered to Angel and he took it, knowing that he'd leave in a year after rod and jo were gone. i bet if angel would have filed, his would've been denied too. this is a big deal to me so let's all focus in on this for now.
Again, this is because Leti was instructed to bring up Angel, and was either given bad info or was being intentionally misled.
Angel first requested a transfer after the 2013 season, and it was granted. End of story.
You are welcome to keep digging because of her comment -- I can't think of a worse source of accurate info on Angel's transfer than Leti Romero, but knock yourself out I guess.
i'm separating fact (she never said angel requested one the previous year) vs fiction (fitz's story saying she did).
also i don't consider it to be the end of the story and i'm not sure why anyone would. she is saying that both she and angel were told to stick it out one more year and that the request would be granted, but if they tried to leave sooner it wouldn't. that's kind of a big deal to me.
-
Angel first requested a transfer after the 2013 season, and it was granted. End of story.
:thumbs:
-
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement. Dominoes will fall, and Leti will eventually be granted a restricted transfer release.
Makes sense. I assumed Lehning since she was Romero's main recruiter.
-
Serious question, why didn't Currie tweet this stuff 4 days ago
Personally I think he should have.
But my guess is that in the middle of an ongoing investigation into the situation probably made him hesitant to comment on it publicly. Plus student-athlete privacy is no joke from the department point of view, especially with a potentially disgruntled player/handler on the other side looking for an opportunity to gain leverage.
-
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement. Dominoes will fall, and Leti will eventually be granted a restricted transfer release.
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
-
also i don't consider it to be the end of the story and i'm not sure why anyone would. she is saying that both she and angel were told to stick it out one more year and that the request would be granted, but if they tried to leave sooner it wouldn't. that's kind of a big deal to me.
Yeah, it would be a very big deal.
I'm pretty sure CC is saying that's not what happened and that there was no "deal" for Angel to stay.
-
she is saying that both she and angel were told to stick it out one more year and that the request would be granted, but if they tried to leave sooner it wouldn't. that's kind of a big deal to me.
Angel was never told that. No deal was ever offered to Angel prior to the 2012-13 season. He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season. He was then given a release.
Is the statement by Leti the reason you are so convinced there is something more to it than that, or are there other factors at play here?
-
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement. Dominoes will fall, and Leti will eventually be granted a restricted transfer release.
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
:rolleyes:
-
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement. Dominoes will fall, and Leti will eventually be granted a restricted transfer release.
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
LOL, no. Absolutely not.
-
Serious question, why didn't Currie tweet this stuff 4 days ago
Personally I think he should have.
But my guess is that in the middle of an ongoing investigation into the situation probably made him hesitant to comment on it publicly. Plus student-athlete privacy is no joke from the department point of view, especially with a potentially disgruntled player/handler on the other side looking for an opportunity to gain leverage.
:thumbs:
-
I'd imagine once Shalee is hired somewhere, Leti will be given a release that restricts her from going to that school and this will be over.
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement. Dominoes will fall, and Leti will eventually be granted a restricted transfer release.
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
LOL, no. Absolutely not.
That's just what an AD placement would say, CC.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.bigstockphoto.com%2Fthumbs%2F4%2F0%2F1%2Flarge2%2F1048014.jpg&hash=7920d81c950fe1d548293b06651026a0dc3e7f3f)
-
Does anyone seriously believe Angel would've taken a one year deal to stay and see what oscar was like? I mean, come on.
-
Someone shop this, turn the he to she and make the faces
Leti
Shalee
Deb
Mittie
Currie
Schulz
Bilas
Erica Young
Brianna Lewis
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F3%2F3c%2FHe%2527s_Just_Not_That_Into_You_Soundtrack.jpg&hash=851f584278a2e39dc15289986bf3f9060c5a5b5f)
-
We're still talking about this? jfc
-
Can we take down Lehnings jersey yet?
-
So what are they protecting? Let the player go, and if the NCAA finds the tampering allegations to be valid, they can handle the punishment, can't they?
They are protecting current and future K-State players. I think that's obvious.
I think it's obvious they do not care about current and future K-State players. (I'm not saying that's wrong.)
I don't understand why there are rules in place if no one has to wait for them to be investigated and enforced and just drop the hammer at the hint of a violation.
The only hammer that's been dropped is the fact that K-State says they're not going to allow the transfer. I feel pretty comfortable with the fact that K-State's reasons for not allowing the transfer are pretty solid and are not being done out of vindictiveness or spite.
That's a pretty strong hammer and seems pretty vindictive. I mean, the options for Leti are:
1) Be somewhere you don't want to be.
2) Pay your own way to another school, not play.
3) Abandon CBB and go to Spain
Those are mean options.
Every 500 days or so, MisFitzermation actually makes a fairly solid point. If you knowingly allow tampering, than recruiting never ends. The Roy Williams of the world graduate from an ongoing stream of various greeting cards, feelers and bumps to cash and cars.
Yeah, recruiting never ends even if you don't "allow tampering". And did I miss where allowing a player to transfer makes "tampering" legal.
The other dirty tampery schools know that you will be a dick to the player and look like a petty dumbfuck in the press and will therefore never contact your players again. Duh. This couldn't be more clear. I mean look at the downside for them. It's huge. Tamperers = deterred.
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
No one said it wasn't going to be a consequence, but what AD wants a situation where if they fire a coach they just give the former coach free and open season on all the current players at the coaches former program to dangle in front of other perspective employers? No AD is going to be make it that easy, particularly IF it was done in a blatant and overt fashion. No AD worth two shits is going to just allow that to happen that easily.
Players following coaches is far from unusual. The AD should only care if a player wants to leave or stay, once a player decides to leave there is no reason for the AD to care, if there is a tampering concern use the NCAA and leave it alone.
Everyone knows players follow coaches. There's a list a mile long why an AD should care, and just throwing it over to the NCAA is at times a fools errand.
Just admit that your saying all of this stuff because of the personalities involved. How sad is it that an individual that got every possible break, accolade, award, recognition and a career out of K-State (that could have been ongoing, and possibly a path to the head coaches seat) that one could possibly get . . . may now be stabbing K-State right in the back?
The fact that the old staff was fired is immaterial, because she was offered an opportunity to stay at K-State and didn't take it.
If she was that great, why would any future coaching position come with caveats like bringing a player from the old job? (if that is indeed the case).
-
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
are you insinuating that CC is in the pocket of Big AD ? :confused:
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
No one said it wasn't going to be a consequence, but what AD wants a situation where if they fire a coach they just give the former coach free and open season on all the current players at the coaches former program to dangle in front of other perspective employers? No AD is going to be make it that easy, particularly IF it was done in a blatant and overt fashion. No AD worth two shits is going to just allow that to happen that easily.
Players following coaches is far from unusual. The AD should only care if a player wants to leave or stay, once a player decides to leave there is no reason for the AD to care, if there is a tampering concern use the NCAA and leave it alone.
Everyone knows players follow coaches. There's a list a mile long why an AD should care, and just throwing it over to the NCAA is at times a fools errand.
Just admit that your saying all of this stuff because of the personalities involved. How sad is it that an individual that got every possible break, accolade, award, recognition and a career out of K-State (that could have been ongoing, and possibly a path to the head coaches seat) that one could possibly get . . . may now be stabbing K-State right in the back?
The fact that the old staff was fired is immaterial, because she was offered an opportunity to stay at K-State and didn't take it.
If she was that great, why would any future coaching position come with caveats like bringing a player from the old job? (if that is indeed the case).
if her shalee's name was john currie, then people would care
-
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
are you insinuating that CC is in the pocket of Big AD ? :confused:
If by in the pocket of Big AD you mean, an athletic department employee who is under instruction to monitor the board and an attempt to steer discourse, yes.
-
Just admit that your saying all of this stuff because of the personalities involved.
Do you have any earthly clue how much you sound like beems? "If this were KU you would feel differently, admit it!" Jesus christ man, we can't have a conversation without you derailing it with this stupid crap. I've stated my stance on student-athlete movement roughly a dozen times in this conversation. If you don't have anything to say to poke holes in the point being made just shut up.
-
women.. can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em, amirite?
-
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
are you insinuating that CC is in the pocket of Big AD ? :confused:
If by in the pocket of Big AD you mean, an athletic department employee who is under instruction to monitor the board and an attempt to steer discourse, yes.
Well, gE is a pretty big deal.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wackyarchives.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F05%2Fpopped-collar-4.jpg&hash=155062c6a16c27cd1203a4519b36fa82ccef75b6)
-
Just admit that your saying all of this stuff because of the personalities involved.
Do you have any earthly clue how much you sound like beems? "If this were KU you would feel differently, admit it!" Jesus christ man, we can't have a conversation without you derailing it with this stupid crap. I've stated my stance on student-athlete movement roughly a dozen times in this conversation. If you don't have anything to say to poke holes in the point being made just shut up.
I had plenty to say besides the one thing you're addressing here.
-
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
are you insinuating that CC is in the pocket of Big AD ? :confused:
If by in the pocket of Big AD you mean, an athletic department employee who is under instruction to monitor the board and an attempt to steer discourse, yes.
:lol:
-
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
are you insinuating that CC is in the pocket of Big AD ? :confused:
If by in the pocket of Big AD you mean, an athletic department employee who is under instruction to monitor the board and an attempt to steer discourse, yes.
You've been misinformed, friend.
-
i thought this was the conspiracy theories thread?
-
Did the Angel comment ever get clarified?
No. From what I have gathered in this thread and on twitter, the investigation is ongoing and headed by Trim
:facepalm: It has been clarified.
Clearly you did what you could to do that, but it is more fun to tell people who also clearly skipped that part of the thread that it wasn't.
-
i thought this was the conspiracy theories thread?
It is.
-
@JayBilas: @kellyinvegas No, there's not. It's wrong to block the transfer of any student. That's a non-compete provision that is used for employees.
Isn't Jay Bilas the big pay the players advocate? I'm extrapolating a lot here, but anyone else think he saying pay players, then he's ok with a "non-compete" clause on transfers?
Also, why does fitz think the previous staff was destroying documents "included medical records"? That's weird right?
Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk
-
Also, why does fitz think the previous staff was destroying documents "included medical records"? That's weird right?
Yes, I'd like to hear more about Deb BIDing on her way out.
-
I don't understand why KSU should have to suck it up and deal with the fallout of firing a coach and potentially losing players. But Leti shouldn't have to suck it up for making crap decisions in who she allied herself with and deal with the fallout.
-
Just admit that your saying all of this stuff because of the personalities involved.
Do you have any earthly clue how much you sound like beems? "If this were KU you would feel differently, admit it!" Jesus christ man, we can't have a conversation without you derailing it with this stupid crap. I've stated my stance on student-athlete movement roughly a dozen times in this conversation. If you don't have anything to say to poke holes in the point being made just shut up.
WTF? You and I are on the same side of this argument. And yes, it's true... Dax would be on one of his anti-KU crusades if the roles were reversed.
-
MIR......I am starting to think you are Shalee or Deb yourself.....no one shows the shear passion as you regarding this issue and it doesn't matter what points are being made about this issue, you sure are going to argue them....
-
Fitz's column is free, FWIW. https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1634056
There is no new info in that, did he read my post because I said that 2 days ago? We are well aware that Shalee is dangling Leti, but what some people are continuing to neglect to address is that she doesn't want to be here, and Shalee is no longer here, why does John Currie or anyone else care about where she goes if she doesn't want to be here? Once you break up with your significant other you don't get to pick who she dates next.
On one hand people keep saying that we need to protect ourselves from this situation happening again but on the other hand they say this is a very unique case. If you have to fire coaches losing players should just be considered a consequence of that action.
No one said it wasn't going to be a consequence, but what AD wants a situation where if they fire a coach they just give the former coach free and open season on all the current players at the coaches former program to dangle in front of other perspective employers? No AD is going to be make it that easy, particularly IF it was done in a blatant and overt fashion. No AD worth two shits is going to just allow that to happen that easily.
Players following coaches is far from unusual. The AD should only care if a player wants to leave or stay, once a player decides to leave there is no reason for the AD to care, if there is a tampering concern use the NCAA and leave it alone.
Everyone knows players follow coaches. There's a list a mile long why an AD should care, and just throwing it over to the NCAA is at times a fools errand.
Just admit that your saying all of this stuff because of the personalities involved. How sad is it that an individual that got every possible break, accolade, award, recognition and a career out of K-State (that could have been ongoing, and possibly a path to the head coaches seat) that one could possibly get . . . may now be stabbing K-State right in the back?
The fact that the old staff was fired is immaterial, because she was offered an opportunity to stay at K-State and didn't take it.
If she was that great, why would any future coaching position come with caveats like bringing a player from the old job? (if that is indeed the case).
Right or wrong I believe she feels stabbed in the back first. I don't think it mattered who got the job as head coach she wasn't staying.
As for the issue with Angel. Maybe it was presented to her by the AD as "we want you to stay a year and try out the new coach like Angel did and then if you want to transfer we will release, same as Angel." Doesn't mean that the AD told Angel that he had to stay a year to get released, just that he did stay a year and so the AD released him.
-
Also, why does fitz think the previous staff was destroying documents "included medical records"? That's weird right?
I think this is what happens when you have a coach there for 20 years and have all of her former players on her staff. They are probably fiercely loyal, don't understand the dynamics in college sports (people get fired/move on regularly), and aren't mature enough to respect their employer.
-
Also, why does fitz think the previous staff was destroying documents "included medical records"? That's weird right?
I think this is what happens when you have a coach there for 20 years and have all of her former players on her staff. They are probably fiercely loyal, don't understand the dynamics in college sports (people get fired/move on regularly), and aren't mature enough to respect their employer.
There is probably a lot of truth to this. I know when I left the rental equipment industry I urinated in the file cabinets before I left. Probably close to the same thing.
-
Does anyone seriously believe Angel would've taken a one year deal to stay and see what oscar was like? I mean, come on.
Could he pay his own way for a year if they did the same thing to him that they're doing to Romero? I don't know that he could. If he gets pushy then all the AD has to do is start rumors (that will never be proven or even officially adopted) that the former staff has been reaching out to him and they're not going to take it. How quick and with how much zeal would the majority of go purple cat nation not only embrace those rumors, but vilify the crap out of Angel and Frank? Jeans would be creamed all across western Kansas.
Lordy, you're falling all over yourself to believe that a former K-State player and assistant coach must be some lying scumbag manipulator out to eff over K-State to further her own career. Could it possibly be that Romero is close to her and that she would like to maintain their relationship if possible and vice versa? Is that so rough ridin' out of bounds? An actual honest to goodness player-coach relationship exists that they mutually value? Then maybe that regardless of the motive Currie is more than happy to be a petty vindictive fuckface? Nope, no way. Currie gets to make that call as he should. He is the appropriate arbiter of the freshman Spanish girl's destiny.
-
she is saying that both she and angel were told to stick it out one more year and that the request would be granted, but if they tried to leave sooner it wouldn't. that's kind of a big deal to me.
Angel was never told that. No deal was ever offered to Angel prior to the 2012-13 season. He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season. He was then given a release.
Is the statement by Leti the reason you are so convinced there is something more to it than that, or are there other factors at play here?
i'm not convinced of anything and don't think i've come off that way. i do think it's fair to point out that leti never said angel requested a release the previous year when the gopowercat story said she did.
i also think it's fair to at least bring up the possibility that what she said was offered to her could have also been offered to angel. i mean the situations are/were almost identical and angel couldn't have left faster after his one year w/ oscar.
-
Does anyone seriously believe Angel would've taken a one year deal to stay and see what oscar was like? I mean, come on.
Could he pay his own way for a year if they did the same thing to him that they're doing to Romero? I don't know that he could. If he gets pushy then all the AD has to do is start rumors (that will never be proven or even officially adopted) that the former staff has been reaching out to him and they're not going to take it. How quick and with how much zeal would the majority of go purple cat nation not only embrace those rumors, but vilify the crap out of Angel and Frank? Jeans would be creamed all across western Kansas.
Lordy, you're falling all over yourself to believe that a former K-State player and assistant coach must be some lying scumbag manipulator out to eff over K-State to further her own career. Could it possibly be that Romero is close to her and that she would like to maintain their relationship if possible and vice versa? Is that so rough ridin' out of bounds? An actual honest to goodness player-coach relationship exists that they mutually value? Then maybe that regardless of the motive Currie is more than happy to be a petty vindictive fuckface? Nope, no way. Currie gets to make that call as he should. He is the appropriate arbiter of the freshman Spanish girl's destiny.
I'm not falling over myself for anything, I'm just part of this discussion. I do think its interesting.
I think Currie has done plenty to mess up the situation. Honestly, I don't have a problem with Romero following Lehning wherever, but I also don't have a problem with K-State getting involved if they (Romero/Lehning/other coach) completely messed up the transfer process. A process many, many other K-State athletes have went through while Currie has been here and only 1 other (that I know of) went public because he wasn't granted a release.
-
never thought i'd say this, but this thread could use a little katdaddy
-
At this point can we all agree that John seems to be a whiz with the numbers but is a complete disaster at dealing with actual people?
-
never thought i'd say this, but this thread could use a little katdaddy
Could it possibly be that Romero is close to her and that she would like to maintain their relationship if possible and vice versa? Is that so rough ridin' out of bounds? An actual honest to goodness player-coach relationship exists that they mutually value?
are you talking about lesbians?
-
I enjoy that beat reporting has now come to reading twitter and compiling tweets.
-
At this point can we all agree that John seems to be a whiz with the numbers but is a complete disaster at dealing with actual people?
I'm pretty sure the $$'s that make the numbers look real pretty comes from people that I would suppose John Currie convinced to part with their $$. So, he can't be terrible at it, but there is a difference between having a beer with someone and getting out in front of a national story without breaking the law or totally rough ridin' up in some other way.
-
I'm still trying to future this out. We sent people across the Atlantic Ocean to build a relationship with a teenage girl to get her to move to the middle of another continent to play basketball. For her, there is literally no reason to play/live here other than to play for those coaches we sent to Spain for her. She has zero allegiance to KSU. We knew that when we sent those coaches after her to build that relationship. For a year those coaches were her de facto parents on a new, strange continent. Our university spent thousands of dollars for those coaches to build a relationship with Leti and her parents, then used a sales plan of leveraging that relationship to get her to play ball here. And now we're mad because she continued to talk to those coaches after we fired them (don't give me the we offered Shalee a job, we just fired her coach and mentor).
How do you not initially go, "We understand you moved to a strange place on the otherside of an ocean from you family to play for these coaches and you'll continue to talk to them even thought its against some rules you don't care about. Just don't go to another university in our conference or one we already have scheduled for future seasons. Thanks for carrying the sub-par team this past year."
-
Also, why does fitz think the previous staff was destroying documents "included medical records"? That's weird right?
Yes, I'd like to hear more about Deb BIDing on her way out.
This
-
I'm still trying to future this out. We sent people across the Atlantic Ocean to build a relationship with a teenage girl to get her to move to the middle of another continent to play basketball. For her, there is literally no reason to play/live here other than to play for those coaches we sent to Spain for her. She has zero allegiance to KSU. We knew that when we sent those coaches after her to build that relationship. For a year those coaches were her de facto parents on a new, strange continent. Our university spent thousands of dollars for those coaches to build a relationship with Leti and her parents, then used a sales plan of leveraging that relationship to get her to play ball here. And now we're mad because she continued to talk to those coaches after we fired them (don't give me the we offered Shalee a job, we just fired her coach and mentor).
How do you not initially go, "We understand you moved to a strange place on the otherside of an ocean from you family to play for these coaches and you'll continue to talk to them even thought its against some rules you don't care about. Just don't go to another university in our conference or one we already have scheduled for future seasons. Thanks for carrying the sub-par team this past year."
yep :thumbs:
-
At this point can we all agree that John seems to be a whiz with the numbers but is a complete disaster at dealing with actual people?
Somewhere on the Autism scale?
-
I'm not falling over myself for anything, I'm just part of this discussion. I do think its interesting.
You seem pretty inclined to think the worst of the player and former player and the best of the administration based on nothing more than unsubstantiated and anonymously relayed tuck scuttlebutt. Like:
It might cost Shalee a better job (or the job she wants). Its not like she's proven to be a great recruiter, she's only proven to be a great recruiter of Leti Romero via Skype. That's not real marketable if Leti doesn't come with her.
And:
The message here is really "do your tampering like everyone else that is smart does it; quiet and behind the scenes. If you rub it in our faces or make it clear, we are going to do something about it."
You look pretty geared up to take these ladies down. Even CC was all whoa _FAN pump your breaks, bud:
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement.
Then you were all like:
But I thought everybody agreed we were going to kick Shalee in her taco no matter what? Is that not what we're doing here? :confused:
I mean that's pretty damning.
-
goE is one of the best bbs's at explaining what it's like to be on new and strange continents
-
I'm still trying to future this out. We sent people across the Atlantic Ocean to build a relationship with a teenage girl to get her to move to the middle of another continent to play basketball. For her, there is literally no reason to play/live here other than to play for those coaches we sent to Spain for her. She has zero allegiance to KSU. We knew that when we sent those coaches after her to build that relationship. For a year those coaches were her de facto parents on a new, strange continent. Our university spent thousands of dollars for those coaches to build a relationship with Leti and her parents, then used a sales plan of leveraging that relationship to get her to play ball here. And now we're mad because she continued to talk to those coaches after we fired them (don't give me the we offered Shalee a job, we just fired her coach and mentor).
How do you not initially go, "We understand you moved to a strange place on the otherside of an ocean from you family to play for these coaches and you'll continue to talk to them even thought its against some rules you don't care about. Just don't go to another university in our conference or one we already have scheduled for future seasons. Thanks for carrying the sub-par team this past year."
Nothing is stopping her from going home, if Manhattan is so scary and foreign to her. There are consequences for actions, whether made by her or a former coach. Life isn't fair. She's getting a free education in one the the safest places on earth.
-
Currie is a stud.
-
Does anyone seriously believe Angel would've taken a one year deal to stay and see what oscar was like? I mean, come on.
Could he pay his own way for a year if they did the same thing to him that they're doing to Romero? I don't know that he could. If he gets pushy then all the AD has to do is start rumors (that will never be proven or even officially adopted) that the former staff has been reaching out to him and they're not going to take it. How quick and with how much zeal would the majority of go purple cat nation not only embrace those rumors, but vilify the crap out of Angel and Frank? Jeans would be creamed all across western Kansas.
Lordy, you're falling all over yourself to believe that a former K-State player and assistant coach must be some lying scumbag manipulator out to eff over K-State to further her own career. Could it possibly be that Romero is close to her and that she would like to maintain their relationship if possible and vice versa? Is that so rough ridin' out of bounds? An actual honest to goodness player-coach relationship exists that they mutually value? Then maybe that regardless of the motive Currie is more than happy to be a petty vindictive fuckface? Nope, no way. Currie gets to make that call as he should. He is the appropriate arbiter of the freshman Spanish girl's destiny.
A process many, many other K-State athletes have went through while Currie has been here and only 1 other (that I know of) went public because he wasn't granted a release.
How many of them were immediately after coaching changes where Currie hired the replacement? How many were non-scrub players?
-
I'm not falling over myself for anything, I'm just part of this discussion. I do think its interesting.
You seem pretty inclined to think the worst of the player and former player and the best of the administration based on nothing more than unsubstantiated and anonymously relayed tuck scuttlebutt. Like:
It might cost Shalee a better job (or the job she wants). Its not like she's proven to be a great recruiter, she's only proven to be a great recruiter of Leti Romero via Skype. That's not real marketable if Leti doesn't come with her.
And:
The message here is really "do your tampering like everyone else that is smart does it; quiet and behind the scenes. If you rub it in our faces or make it clear, we are going to do something about it."
You look pretty geared up to take these ladies down. Even CC was all whoa _FAN pump your breaks, bud:
Not sure I would single out Shalee, but I agree with general statement.
Then you were all like:
But I thought everybody agreed we were going to kick Shalee in her taco no matter what? Is that not what we're doing here? :confused:
I mean that's pretty damning.
Fair enough.
I don't think anything malicious took place on Romero's part or whoever is involved with her (likely Lehning). I don't have a problem with Romero attaching herself to someone she trusts and knows. But I also don't have a problem with K-State protecting themselves if they have evidence something is going on that they don't think is right according to the process that they have in place, one that has been followed plenty of times before. I've also said several times that Romero and whoever is involved with her just bungled this process and did a poor job of just letting the transfer process play out before they moved forward with finding a new school.
If Lehning (or whoever) had been hired a week from now and a week later Romero ended up at the same school I wouldn't have thought it was a very big deal. I think they just messed it up from the beginning because they were ticked at Currie/K-State. I think Romero will be let go soon after everything settles anyway.
-
You didn't actually say that last thing fwiw.
-
I want to kick this thread in the balls so hard that it throws up.
-
You didn't actually say that last thing fwiw.
I know. :D
Its all good. You've been consistent with your stance on transfers from the beginning. I suppose its fair to say I don't necessarily disagree with you that much, but I'm prone to take K-State's (as a whole) side a bit too much.
-
Sounds to me like the old regime made this a pretty nasty process. I don't think Currie is the type of guy to let that crap go and here we are.
Bilas needs to STFU unless he wants to do some actual reporting. His crusade for the student athlete loses credibility when he never adds any insight and just wants to throw stones at the establishment.
Also, I know there are student athlete rules but why was the Jamar Dillon's Trashgate thing allowed to be talked about and this is not?
-
Someone shop this, turn the he to she and make the faces
Leti
Shalee
Deb
Mittie
Currie
Schulz
Bilas
Erica Young
Brianna Lewis
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F3%2F3c%2FHe%2527s_Just_Not_That_Into_You_Soundtrack.jpg&hash=851f584278a2e39dc15289986bf3f9060c5a5b5f)
Sorry I was late.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag419%2Fydarg2012%2Fsjntiy-01_zps1aa13fe9.jpg&hash=7aa1fe7d178013a01fb31a37655f0625de82d5d8) (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/ydarg2012/media/sjntiy-01_zps1aa13fe9.jpg.html)
-
Someone shop this, turn the he to she and make the faces
Leti
Shalee
Deb
Mittie
Currie
Schulz
Bilas
Erica Young
Brianna Lewis
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F3%2F3c%2FHe%2527s_Just_Not_That_Into_You_Soundtrack.jpg&hash=851f584278a2e39dc15289986bf3f9060c5a5b5f)
Sorry I was late.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag419%2Fydarg2012%2Fsjntiy-01_zps1aa13fe9.jpg&hash=7aa1fe7d178013a01fb31a37655f0625de82d5d8) (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/ydarg2012/media/sjntiy-01_zps1aa13fe9.jpg.html)
You post some of this quality work everyday here and you are bound to get a job sooner, rather than later.
-
:D Missed a pretty sweet opportunity with that valentine candy, tho.
-
You didn't actually say that last thing fwiw.
I know. :D
Its all good. You've been consistent with your stance on transfers from the beginning. I suppose its fair to say I don't necessarily disagree with you that much, but I'm prone to take K-State's (as a whole) side a bit too much.
My natural inclination as an Illinois fan is to dislike the AD. It's easier for me.
-
You didn't actually say that last thing fwiw.
I know. :D
Its all good. You've been consistent with your stance on transfers from the beginning. I suppose its fair to say I don't necessarily disagree with you that much, but I'm prone to take K-State's (as a whole) side a bit too much.
My natural inclination as an Illinois fan is to dislike the AD. It's easier for me.
Perfectly understandable.
Illinois: We're really not that good at anything anymore.
-
www.firejohncurrie.com
-
Want to hear more about Deb in razed earth mode. :whistle1:
-
Sounds to me like the old regime made this a pretty nasty process. I don't think Currie is the type of guy to let that crap go and here we are.
Bilas needs to STFU unless he wants to do some actual reporting. His crusade for the student athlete loses credibility when he never adds any insight and just wants to throw stones at the establishment.
Also, I know there are student athlete rules but why was the Jamar Dillon's Trashgate thing allowed to be talked about and this is not?
I've agreed with ChiCat (excellent poster) through this whole thing.
-
Did the Angel comment ever get clarified?
No. From what I have gathered in this thread and on twitter, the investigation is ongoing and headed by Trim
:thumbs:
I'm stalled out at the moment. Leti favorited my "Is Leti Romero on twitter..." thing Sunday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BltCqipCUAA40nM.jpg:large)
I then got into a DM exchange with her after this:
Perfect, it's @LeticiaRomero95. Leti, I'm w/@goEMAW.com. Can we talk about Angel and his release?
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/458033086769283073
In hindsight, I may have been a bit too ethical in clarifying exactly what aspect of all this I cared about. :frown:
I indicated I'd like to submit to her some questions that she could take her time answering. Eventually, she said she didn't want to go public any further as of Sunday. I guess there's a chance that maybe we could eventually still do it.
I'm with Daris re: Angel. I am bothered that while it could be 100% true that Angel only formally requested a release after 12-13, that he wanted a release after 11-12 but was told before the formal request that he'd have to put in at least a year to get one, and then he didn't bother formally requesting it. That was always what I took away from Leti's quote, and it's such an odd thing to have brought up, that I want to know everything about why it was said. I don't get why none of the media types aren't insisting she clarify that whole thing if she ever wants them to run with the stuff she's providing them (you know, blackmail her).
That's all I was trying to get before she was silenced. Well that, and whatever non-Angel stuff you guys would've had me ask her.
-
:D Missed a pretty sweet opportunity with that valentine candy, tho.
I'm not familiar enough with the situation, what would look best on the valentine candy? A gE logo?
-
So Trim, is the ultimate goal to determine if Angel was an even bigger FP/TC than realized and the administration called him on his FP/TC'ness and tried to install a little fortitude into the youngster, before finally acquiescing to his FP/TC'ness so it wouldn't infect others?
-
You didn't actually say that last thing fwiw.
I know. :D
Its all good. You've been consistent with your stance on transfers from the beginning. I suppose its fair to say I don't necessarily disagree with you that much, but I'm prone to take K-State's (as a whole) side a bit too much.
My natural inclination as an Illinois fan is to dislike the AD. It's easier for me.
Perfectly understandable.
Illinois: We're really not that good at anything anymore.
Adorable.
-
So Trim, is the ultimate goal to determine if Angel was an even bigger FP/TC than realized and the administration called him on his FP/TC'ness and tried to install a little fortitude into the youngster, before finally acquiescing to his FP/TC'ness so it wouldn't infect others?
:lol:
-
Without the GRCOAT policy, there would have been no Frank. Without Frank, there would have been no Angel.
-
Without the GRCOAT policy, there would have been no Frank. Without Frank, there would have been no Angel.
You keep repeating this but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
-
Without the GRCOAT policy, there would have been no Frank. Without Frank, there would have been no Angel.
You keep repeating this but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
I do. It's the same.
-
Oh ok
-
Without the GRCOAT policy, there would have been no Frank. Without Frank, there would have been no Angel.
You keep repeating this but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
I do. It's the same.
if the GRCOAT policy was used here it would have been to keep the recruit that we let go, not to keep a current player on campus.
-
:D Missed a pretty sweet opportunity with that valentine candy, tho.
Fixed it for you. Enjoy!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag419%2Fydarg2012%2Fsjntiy-01_zpsd1b706f5.jpg&hash=b94891a1e8c8863b1a968bbe67b364cba428c077) (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/ydarg2012/media/sjntiy-01_zpsd1b706f5.jpg.html)
-
Without the GRCOAT policy, there would have been no Frank. Without Frank, there would have been no Angel.
You keep repeating this but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
I do. It's the same.
if the GRCOAT policy was used here it would have been to keep the recruit that we let go, not to keep a current player on campus.
How is this relevant to the discussion of not letting players go when they want?
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
-
Someone recap this entire thing in a small picture and request for info that can be sent to Angel via instagram.
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
NONE OF THEM EVER DID SO JUST WHY ARE YOU SO CONVINCED THEY DID AND WHAT'S YOUR AGENDA!?!?!
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
I don't know. But I do know our policy had they asked!
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
I don't know. But I do know our policy had they asked!
I don't think you do. I mean, we wouldn't have had to hire frank if we wouldn't have let anyone go. We could have hired that dream boat mark fox and x'd and o'd like mad.
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
I don't know. But I do know our policy had they asked!
I don't think you do. I mean, we wouldn't have had to hire frank if we wouldn't have let anyone go. We could have hired that dream boat mark fox and x'd and o'd like mad.
I pretty sure we said "we're going to hire Frank and Te, how about you guys stay around for a year and see how it goes. You can get a release then if you want one."
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
I don't know. But I do know our policy had they asked!
I don't think you do. I mean, we wouldn't have had to hire frank if we wouldn't have let anyone go. We could have hired that dream boat mark fox and x'd and o'd like mad.
I pretty sure we said "we're going to hire Frank and Te, how about you guys stay around for a year and see how it goes. You can get a release then if you want one."
Very smart of KSU to employ the coaches who the best players wanted to play for.
-
:D Missed a pretty sweet opportunity with that valentine candy, tho.
Fixed it for you. Enjoy!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag419%2Fydarg2012%2Fsjntiy-01_zpsd1b706f5.jpg&hash=b94891a1e8c8863b1a968bbe67b364cba428c077) (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/ydarg2012/media/sjntiy-01_zpsd1b706f5.jpg.html)
That's amazing, now I need to decide if I want to do a signature change, I may start a GPC account just to have this as my sig pic over there
-
Also did you guys miss Bread calling dax purple beems? Holy crap :ROFL: incredible
-
I love spanish-speaking emaw hoops people.
-
Also did you guys miss Bread calling dax purple beems? Holy crap :ROFL: incredible
I did. I'm pleased that you pointed it out.
-
Also did you guys miss Bread calling dax purple beems? Holy crap :ROFL: incredible
Dax and I are nothing alike.
-
Also did you guys miss Bread calling dax purple beems? Holy crap :ROFL: incredible
Dax and I are nothing alike.
You don't say?
-
That sounds exactly like something Dax would say, but about you :sdeek:
-
Also did you guys miss Bread calling dax purple beems? Holy crap :ROFL: incredible
Dax and I are nothing alike.
Take it to the "Say Something Controversial" thread.
-
3:30, 4:30 Fun times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4MmayTwvQ
-
Highly cohesive groupthink on full display right now.
:bwpopcorn:
-
Is PepperDax still trying to hijack this thread?
Damn
-
Is PepperDax still trying to hijack this thread?
Damn
Probably the first, and possibly the last time I say this to you: Nice Job :thumbsup:
-
When Spracne isn't busy reciting shitty poetry and attention whoring, you can find him seeking acceptance and conforming to the groupthink on goEMAW.com.
-
Is PepperDax still trying to hijack this thread?
Damn
Probably the first, and possibly the last time I say this to you: Nice Job :thumbsup:
It might be the first and the last time you actually post it, but you've been thinking it since the beginning, and will think it over and over again.
Go to the light.
-
When Spracne isn't busy reciting shitty poetry and attention whoring, you can find him seeking acceptance and conforming to the groupthink on goEMAW.com.
You seem pretty angry today PepperDax aka King of all ku goEMAW Butthurt.
What's a matter?
-
Is PepperDax still trying to hijack this thread?
Damn
Probably the first, and possibly the last time I say this to you: Nice Job :thumbsup:
:dubious:
Also did you guys miss Bread calling dax purple beems? Holy crap :ROFL: incredible
Dax and I are nothing alike.
You don't say?
That hurts me spracne.
-
When Spracne isn't busy reciting shitty poetry and attention whoring, you can find him seeking acceptance and conforming to the groupthink on goEMAW.com.
Why are you still here?
-
The cult doesn't like it when the groupthink gets called out. No wonder Leti is begging to get out of that hellhole. Yikes!
:ohno:
-
whoah, wtf is the deal with OregonSmock acting kinda jelly towards me lately? I mean, seriously. You've got your shtick; I've got mine. Like I said before, the pie is plenty big enough as long as we keep #winning. I like that you're willing to #Do Work with the whole looking up statistical rebuttals to one-off arguments around here thing. I don't care enough to do it myself, but I'm glad that you do. The fact that you have on repeated occasions accused me of attention whoring is an ugly and obvious cowl that hoods your own need for validation. Most importantly, I have never cited poetry that is not of the highest caliber. The very few times I have cited classical verse, it has always been in moments where the contemplation thereof presented the opportunity for the elevation of the human spirit. :nono:
-
:popcorn:
-
I for one would be butt hurt as hell to come back from one of my sabbaticals only to find another KU poster better than myself charming the natives with his quick wit and humor.
-
Married life does not appear to be going well.
-
The thought in this groupthink is that we should all argue with each other.
-
Clams japed a bit about lesbians.
-
The thought in this groupthink is that we should all argue with each other.
Just more evidence that we were all on the same page about having to argue about this and Currie and then Frank and then Currie some more and then the guy in AD. #groupthink
-
3:30, 4:30 Fun times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4MmayTwvQ
yeah, he explicitly said it wouldn't happen until after the new coach was hired. Other than that exactly the same.
-
The thought in this groupthink is that we should all argue with each other.
Just more evidence that we were all on the same page about having to argue about this and Currie and then Frank and then Currie some more and then the guy in AD. #groupthink
It's like you're inside my brain!
-
so that's how a thread increases by 8 pages in a single work day.. goodness..
also, spracne is very very good.
-
so that's how a thread increases by 8 pages in a single work day.. goodness..
also, spracne is very very good.
Yes, spracne has been a good poster for a long time.
-
Who has actually been denied? Romero and that offensive lineman a couple years ago? That's all I can remember.
the only two that didn't know how to play the game.
-
Which GRCOAT players formally asked for a release?
I don't know. But I do know our policy had they asked!
I don't think you do. I mean, we wouldn't have had to hire frank if we wouldn't have let anyone go. We could have hired that dream boat mark fox and x'd and o'd like mad.
I pretty sure we said "we're going to hire Frank and Te, how about you guys stay around for a year and see how it goes. You can get a release then if you want one."
I'm pretty sure walker and Beasley always planned on being gone after a year regardless. The only reason a release was ever brought up was because somebody asked Weiser about it in the press conference to announce Huggins' departure. Once Te was brought on board I think the rest took care of itself. Beasley was going to go to Charlotte to play for Te. Funny how nobody at KSU was all up in arms when he used his relationship with Beasley to get a better job.
-
3:30, 4:30 Fun times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4MmayTwvQ
yeah, he explicitly said it wouldn't happen until after the new coach was hired. Other than that exactly the same.
Yeah, he explicitly said something and it wasn't that.
-
Who has actually been denied? Romero and that offensive lineman a couple years ago? That's all I can remember.
the only two that didn't know how to play the game.
Lamark brown was denied a release and therefore had to sit out a year even though he transferred down a level.
-
Need more comments about how good of a "poster" spracne is, like I haven't already heard a billion people say it yet.
-
They are protecting current and future K-State players. I think that's obvious.
:lol:
-
That's a pretty strong hammer and seems pretty vindictive. I mean, the options for Leti are:
1) Be somewhere you don't want to be.
2) Pay your own way to another school, not play.
3) Abandon CBB and go to Spain
Those are mean options.
She could also go juco to get a scholarship, but that involves burning a year of eligibility.
Also, how much of a viable option is #2 for getting student loans for a non-citizen?
-
it sounds like Lehning (with a lot of help from Patterson) screwed this up (at least partially) with the manner in which they left. Plus if everyone (mainly Lehning and Romero) had just kept quiet and laid low until the release was granted, they'd be shopping their services right now. I think its reasonable to assume they made their connection in trying to find another school so obvious that K-State was forced to do something about it (or at least they felt they were).
keep quiet and you will be compensated with something you desire, talk and you will not be compensated = blackmail.
-
keep quiet and you will be compensated with something you desire, talk and you will not be compensated = blackmail.
Seems like that's hope the system works. :dunno:
-
from my understanding, you're an AD placement, who is here to play damage control.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
-
I see 10 new pages in the last 24 hours and get all excited....but nope, just random gE'rs talking about nothing.
The only thing's I am remotely interested in is the Angel transfer and Deb BID on the way out.
If you have some info on this please quote my post and I'll come back to check the thread.
Until then I'll be hanging out in the fishing thread.
-
Does anyone seriously believe Angel would've taken a one year deal to stay and see what oscar was like? I mean, come on.
please try to articulate what, exactly, is difficult to believe about that scenario.
-
He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season.
this is either factually incorrect or a bald-faced lie. take your pick w. regard to how well informed cc is.
-
He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season.
this is either factually incorrect or a bald-faced lie. take your pick w. regard to how well informed cc is.
But IF it's true, what's that say about oscar?
-
I'm still trying to future this out. We sent people across the Atlantic Ocean to build a relationship with a teenage girl to get her to move to the middle of another continent to play basketball. For her, there is literally no reason to play/live here other than to play for those coaches we sent to Spain for her. She has zero allegiance to KSU. We knew that when we sent those coaches after her to build that relationship. For a year those coaches were her de facto parents on a new, strange continent. Our university spent thousands of dollars for those coaches to build a relationship with Leti and her parents, then used a sales plan of leveraging that relationship to get her to play ball here. And now we're mad because she continued to talk to those coaches after we fired them (don't give me the we offered Shalee a job, we just fired her coach and mentor).
How do you not initially go, "We understand you moved to a strange place on the otherside of an ocean from you family to play for these coaches and you'll continue to talk to them even thought its against some rules you don't care about. Just don't go to another university in our conference or one we already have scheduled for future seasons. Thanks for carrying the sub-par team this past year."
hamburglar, you are a good person. from now on, i will attempt to remember who you are.
-
I also don't have a problem with K-State protecting themselves if they have evidence something is going on that they don't think is right according to the process that they have in place.
theft of self has always been a big problem. thank god kstate is taking steps to protect itself.
-
Don't really like how some people are kissing my ass just to piss off OregonSmock :dubious:
-
I then got into a DM exchange with her after this:
Perfect, it's @LeticiaRomero95. Leti, I'm w/@goEMAW.com. Can we talk about Angel and his release?
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/458033086769283073
In hindsight, I may have been a bit too ethical in clarifying exactly what aspect of all this I cared about. :frown:
I indicated I'd like to submit to her some questions that she could take her time answering. Eventually, she said she didn't want to go public any further as of Sunday. I guess there's a chance that maybe we could eventually still do it.
I'm with Daris re: Angel. I am bothered that while it could be 100% true that Angel only formally requested a release after 12-13, that he wanted a release after 11-12 but was told before the formal request that he'd have to put in at least a year to get one, and then he didn't bother formally requesting it. That was always what I took away from Leti's quote, and it's such an odd thing to have brought up, that I want to know everything about why it was said. I don't get why none of the media types aren't insisting she clarify that whole thing if she ever wants them to run with the stuff she's providing them (you know, blackmail her).
That's all I was trying to get before she was silenced. Well that, and whatever non-Angel stuff you guys would've had me ask her.
get me her email address.
-
get me her email address.
[email protected] (subject to change)
-
:surprised:
The damage is done. The refusal to grant the request of Leticia Romero has turned into a dumpster fire. So then, let it burn.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-04-22/kevin-haskin-k-state-should-stick-principles-regarding-transfer-request
-
He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season.
this is either factually incorrect or a bald-faced lie. take your pick w. regard to how well informed cc is.
But IF it's true, what's that say about oscar?
it says art knew how to play the game (double entendre).
-
get me her email address.
[email protected] (subject to change)
thank you.
-
:surprised:
The damage is done. The refusal to grant the request of Leticia Romero has turned into a dumpster fire. So then, let it burn.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-04-22/kevin-haskin-k-state-should-stick-principles-regarding-transfer-request
? Still, is it worth forcing Romero, easily the Wildcats’ best player this past season as a freshman, to stay at K-State against her will?
? Is this controversy worthwhile for new coach Jeff Mittie and the image he wants to craft for the K-State program?
? Sure seems that in the past, there has been considerable turnover in the K-State basketball programs involving players whom coaches wanted out.
? Now that a good player wants to leave, the transfer is denied.
pew pew pew pew
The people who keep thinking these things don't matter will continue to either ignore these points or will say it's only chick ball who cares.
-
get me her email address.
[email protected] (subject to change)
thank you.
Good luck.
-
Props to whoever made Angel play for us for one more season, I enjoyed watching that dude play for my fave team
-
:surprised:
The damage is done. The refusal to grant the request of Leticia Romero has turned into a dumpster fire. So then, let it burn.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-04-22/kevin-haskin-k-state-should-stick-principles-regarding-transfer-request
? Still, is it worth forcing Romero, easily the Wildcats’ best player this past season as a freshman, to stay at K-State against her will?
? Is this controversy worthwhile for new coach Jeff Mittie and the image he wants to craft for the K-State program?
? Sure seems that in the past, there has been considerable turnover in the K-State basketball programs involving players whom coaches wanted out.
? Now that a good player wants to leave, the transfer is denied.
pew pew pew pew
The people who keep thinking these things don't matter will continue to either ignore these points or will say it's only chick ball who cares.
People on both sides of this debate are using that argument.
-
:surprised:
The damage is done. The refusal to grant the request of Leticia Romero has turned into a dumpster fire. So then, let it burn.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-04-22/kevin-haskin-k-state-should-stick-principles-regarding-transfer-request
? Still, is it worth forcing Romero, easily the Wildcats’ best player this past season as a freshman, to stay at K-State against her will?
? Is this controversy worthwhile for new coach Jeff Mittie and the image he wants to craft for the K-State program?
? Sure seems that in the past, there has been considerable turnover in the K-State basketball programs involving players whom coaches wanted out.
? Now that a good player wants to leave, the transfer is denied.
pew pew pew pew
The people who keep thinking these things don't matter will continue to either ignore these points or will say it's only chick ball who cares.
People on both sides of this debate are using that argument.
Only crap-for-brains use this argument, but there are plenty of them though. This is less about Leti Romero and more about an institution exerting an unnecessary amount of power.
-
I'm so happy this is our only off season talking point for once. :ksu:
-
Yeah, it's a lazy and misogynistic argument. I'm fine with schools and players using all the tools available to them to advance their own interests though, and it seems like that's what both sides are doing right now. Although, it would seem that K-State is losing this battle, so they should probably re-evaluate their strategy going forward.
-
Man were never going to win with the press on this stuff lets just run Krap while were at it and fire off the double birds at 'em.
-
Man were never going to win with the press on this stuff lets just run Krap while were at it and fire off the double birds at 'em.
Need Krap to "ask for a release" and then be over-the-top gracious in giving it to him. Maybe throw him a going-away party in fOOD or something.
-
:D Missed a pretty sweet opportunity with that valentine candy, tho.
Fixed it for you. Enjoy!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag419%2Fydarg2012%2Fsjntiy-01_zpsd1b706f5.jpg&hash=b94891a1e8c8863b1a968bbe67b364cba428c077) (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/ydarg2012/media/sjntiy-01_zpsd1b706f5.jpg.html)
Great job, ydarg. You should consider going into a career in graphic design or marketing.
-
let her go
emaw poaching season and alll our players will get tampered with.
don't let her go.
we're safe from tampering.
clear choice
team captain crap
-
3:30, 4:30 Fun times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4MmayTwvQ
I'd forgotten just how insane that whole "presser" was.
http://youtu.be/6o4MmayTwvQ?t=7m
:lol:
-
http://youtu.be/B3LCFZkTQPw?t=3m39s
-
goE, the nation's premiere ncaa student athlete advocat bbs since leti romero lied about angel requesting a transfer, lied about being blackmailed, and connected herself to a butthurt former coach/player to play the role of trade bait.
this place really knows how to take a stand :users:
-
goE, the nation's premiere ncaa student athlete advocat bbs since leti romero lied about angel requesting a transfer, lied about being blackmailed, and connected herself to a butthurt former coach/player to play the role of trade bait.
this place really knows how to take a stand :users:
#teamgroupthink
-
LOL at and good job to somebody cutting off wefald before he could wefald.
http://youtu.be/B3LCFZkTQPw?t=6m28s
-
3:30, 4:30 Fun times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4MmayTwvQ
I'd forgotten just how insane that whole "presser" was.
http://youtu.be/6o4MmayTwvQ?t=7m
:lol:
We wouldn't have hired Huggins if he asked for a West Virginia clause in his contract? How stupid.
-
He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season.
this is either factually incorrect or a bald-faced lie. take your pick w. regard to how well informed cc is.
Such a pickle. Fortunately for us, there is documentation of such things, and if one has access to such things, can easily tell which of us is correct. [Spoiler: it's not you.]
-
cc is saying that there is not document saying ART asked for a transfer so it didn't happen/he didn't want one.
-
Cannons fired from the poop deck... :bwpopcorn:
-
I think we can all agree that there is no documentation that would show Angel formally/officially expressed a desire to transfer after 11-12. #groupthink
-
I have no documentation, so I can't dispute that.
-
I think we can all agree that there is no documentation that would show Angel formally/officially expressed a desire to transfer after 11-12. #groupthink
Are these the documents being shredded? Maybe it is curry who is shredding documents... :horrorsurprise:
-
There are articles where Angel said he spent several weeks pondering a transfer but gave oscar a chance to re-recruit him. oscar was quoted several times during this period saying he thought everybody was coming back but wasn't for sure on Angel. It's pretty obvious that a transfer was discussed with Angel at some point in time after oscar was hired.
It's just a matter of what he was told when he brought up the subject. Somehow they convinced him to stay when nobody thought he was likely to do so. So he stays and the year went about as well as it possibly could have for both him and the team. Yet he decides to transfer anyway when everybody thought it was a dead issue.
-
3:30, 4:30 Fun times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4MmayTwvQ
I'd forgotten just how insane that whole "presser" was.
http://youtu.be/6o4MmayTwvQ?t=7m
:lol:
Just finished watching all three parts, Tim Weiser is an embarrassing cry baby. It is ridiculous for a grown man to pine like that over another grown man. He acted like Huggins was his dad leaving the family for a stripper.
-
There are articles where Angel said he spent several weeks pondering a transfer but gave oscar a chance to re-recruit him. oscar was quoted several times during this period saying he thought everybody was coming back but wasn't for sure on Angel. It's pretty obvious that a transfer was discussed with Angel at some point in time after oscar was hired.
It's just a matter of what he was told when he brought up the subject. Somehow they convinced him to stay when nobody thought he was likely to do so. So he stays and the year went about as well as it possibly could have for both him and the team. Yet he decides to transfer anyway when everybody thought it was a dead issue.
Well I guess I am confused. Was Sys saying that Angel had contemplated transferring at any point before 2012-13? Or was he saying that Angel had requested a transfer prior to 2012-13? If we are going to argue semantics we may be here a while.
My original statement was that Angel never expressed a desire to transfer prior to 2012-13. By that I meant, told oscar or a K-State admin that he was going to transfer. I apologize if I misunderstood Sys saying I was factually incorrect, or if my original statement was not clear.
You are correct, that Angel was re-recruited by oscar like the rest of the MBB roster after the coaching change.
And really, my original point was that no deal of staying/release was ever offered to Angel.
-
I think we can all agree that there is no documentation that would show Angel formally/officially expressed a desire to transfer after 11-12. #groupthink
Are these the documents being shredded? Maybe it is curry who is shredding documents... :horrorsurprise:
Why would Currie shred the transfer request of Angel? K-State granted the release. It is part of NCAA paperwork.
-
There are articles where Angel said he spent several weeks pondering a transfer but gave oscar a chance to re-recruit him. oscar was quoted several times during this period saying he thought everybody was coming back but wasn't for sure on Angel. It's pretty obvious that a transfer was discussed with Angel at some point in time after oscar was hired.
It's just a matter of what he was told when he brought up the subject. Somehow they convinced him to stay when nobody thought he was likely to do so. So he stays and the year went about as well as it possibly could have for both him and the team. Yet he decides to transfer anyway when everybody thought it was a dead issue.
AIN'T NO D'S*!!!!
*documents
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
i'll take you even one step further down the worm hole. what if deb isn't even deb and deb is actually rusty wilson and it wasn't rusty wilson arguing with fitz outside fitz's after hours aggieville party place but actually deb over the story that she knew he was going to run on her/rusty? :dunno:
-
This is becoming a groupthinktank!
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
i'll take you even one step further down the worm hole. what if deb isn't even deb and deb is actually rusty wilson and it wasn't rusty wilson arguing with fitz outside fitz's after hours aggieville party place but actually deb over the story that she knew he was going to run on her/rusty? :dunno:
:Wha:
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
What if Currie IS Angel?
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
What if Currie IS Angel?
I have access to documents that say otherwise.
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
i'll take you even one step further down the worm hole. what if deb isn't even deb and deb is actually rusty wilson and it wasn't rusty wilson arguing with fitz outside fitz's after hours aggieville party place but actually deb over the story that she knew he was going to run on her/rusty? :dunno:
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
What if Currie IS Angel?
if both of these seemingly unbelievable scenarios are true, and i think they both might be, i wonder who hatched this plan. only a trained eye can spot a person wearing a detailed mask from the real person. are there any trained eyes in manhattan? i really doubt that there are.
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
What if Currie IS Angel?
I have access to documents that say otherwise.
Those must be some documents.
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
i'll take you even one step further down the worm hole. what if deb isn't even deb and deb is actually rusty wilson and it wasn't rusty wilson arguing with fitz outside fitz's after hours aggieville party place but actually deb over the story that she knew he was going to run on her/rusty? :dunno:
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
What if Currie IS Angel?
if both of these seemingly unbelievable scenarios are true, and i think they both might be, i wonder who hatched this plan. only a trained eye can spot a person wearing a detailed mask from the real person. are there any trained eyes in manhattan? i really doubt that there are.
nbaf? the big red one? i mean the entire mhk msa is loaded with trained eyes further than those trained eyes can even see. you can take that to the bank for sure. the eye bank that is.
-
i wonder if currie made up false documents that showed angel requested a transfer when in reality, he didn't ever request one. and then currie made up additional documents that actually transferred angel to miami without angel's consent or knowledge. then, and this is where the scenario gets interesting, he began shredding the documents but used deb's fingerprints on the bag of shredded docs and the shredding machine in an effort to frame deb's staff for the leti tampering charge?
What if Currie IS Angel?
I have access to documents that say otherwise.
Those must be some documents.
:lol:
-
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSk58cw0IOXfiHzatgvXd8a0uEnALfSmEpMxquc_EI9_mZ_10EHFEiOe3k)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQz7Q0qxWV6kGrCpotEjZfycIP8W7g1RLHpQwj8tnQTeV8wXulQEyCfaw)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fw-baskbl%2Fauto_wide_story%2F9471448.jpeg&hash=6a9401105d2a879f361e85db0dbaf72b9401b7d7)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH46OAIHfInQuBwt0X6B_GVk82o1GUnSqCwnATjNpVffZOZxDHeG_epPk)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fw-baskbl%2Fauto_action%2F8907987.jpeg&hash=3d09b51538c327f31e2b812937dfe493477a56e0)
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.pandawhale.com%2F45822-Keanu-Bill-and-Ted-whoa-gif-Yr7D.gif&hash=7a7be33342f015ab52a46ded7c4506cd37cdf604)
-
What if Currie IS Angel?
I have access to documents that say otherwise.
Those must be some documents.
Yep, and sorry about omitting the spoiler alert.
-
He never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-13 season.
this is either factually incorrect or a bald-faced lie. take your pick w. regard to how well informed cc is.
Such a pickle. Fortunately for us, there is documentation of such things, and if one has access to such things, can easily tell which of us is correct. [Spoiler: it's not you.]
i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you don't understand how words combine to articulate concepts and even coherent thoughts. otherwise you're not just a liar, you're an incompetent one.
-
There are articles where Angel said he spent several weeks pondering a transfer but gave oscar a chance to re-recruit him. oscar was quoted several times during this period saying he thought everybody was coming back but wasn't for sure on Angel. It's pretty obvious that a transfer was discussed with Angel at some point in time after oscar was hired.
It's just a matter of what he was told when he brought up the subject. Somehow they convinced him to stay when nobody thought he was likely to do so. So he stays and the year went about as well as it possibly could have for both him and the team. Yet he decides to transfer anyway when everybody thought it was a dead issue.
Well I guess I am confused. Was Sys saying that Angel had contemplated transferring at any point before 2012-13? Or was he saying that Angel had requested a transfer prior to 2012-13? If we are going to argue semantics we may be here a while.
My original statement was that Angel never expressed a desire to transfer prior to 2012-13. By that I meant, told oscar or a K-State admin that he was going to transfer. I apologize if I misunderstood Sys saying I was factually incorrect, or if my original statement was not clear.
You are correct, that Angel was re-recruited by oscar like the rest of the MBB roster after the coaching change.
And really, my original point was that no deal of staying/release was ever offered to Angel.
i prolly should have read to this point in the thread before responding. so yes, there is an issue of semantics. you (not anyone else, you) explicitly stated that art never expressed any desire to transfer until after the 2012-2013 season. i a) knew that he did express such a desire, and b) was (still am) pretty damn sure that you chose those words carefully to make it sound to lazy readers like he was never interested in transferring while preserving your ability to do exactly what you are doing now - backtrack to some "he never requested a transfer from the athletic department, and that's what i meant" bullshit if anyone called you on it.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
-
sys don't take crap.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
If that happens to be true, and it comes out, our athletic department is going to take a lot of rough ridin' heat for not knowing/doing anything about that situation. As they should.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
If that happens to be true, and it comes out, our athletic department is going to take a lot of rough ridin' heat for not knowing/doing anything about that situation. As they should.
They knew. Luckily is Lesbians talk, so must the recruits we care about (18 yr old boys) are more likely to be aroused than concerned.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
If that happens to be true, and it comes out, our athletic department is going to take a lot of rough ridin' heat for not knowing/doing anything about that situation. As they should.
shame on you for responding to that, not kidding either
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
If that happens to be true, and it comes out, our athletic department is going to take a lot of rough ridin' heat for not knowing/doing anything about that situation. As they should.
shame on you for responding to that, not kidding either
I guess I've heard enough crazy crap about Deb Patterson that it didn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility, regardless of the source.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
If that happens to be true, and it comes out, our athletic department is going to take a lot of rough ridin' heat for not knowing/doing anything about that situation. As they should.
shame on you for responding to that, not kidding either
I guess I've heard enough crazy crap about Deb Patterson that it didn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility, regardless of the source.
get the eff outta here man, we heard a lot of crazy crap about Ron Prince too, would you believed it if some lunatic attention whore on a message board said he made football players suck his dick? A mouth is a mouth.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
If that happens to be true, and it comes out, our athletic department is going to take a lot of rough ridin' heat for not knowing/doing anything about that situation. As they should.
shame on you for responding to that, not kidding either
I guess I've heard enough crazy crap about Deb Patterson that it didn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility, regardless of the source.
get the eff outta here man, we heard a lot of crazy crap about Ron Prince too, would you believed it if some lunatic attention whore on a message board said he made football players suck his dick? A mouth is a mouth.
Not a good analogy. You're talking about rape, what was actually proposed was consensual sexual activity with blackmail after the fact. Yes, I would have listened to a story about Ron Prince accepting hummers from football players, and if the former were true then I would have no problem believing that he blackmailed players to keep them at K-State.
-
But you're right, my bullshit filter should have weeded out any stories from FSD about anything.
-
Guys, who cares? :dunno: We just signed Malek. :emawkid:
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurricanesports.com%2Ffls%2F28700%2FMens_Basketball%2F201314%2FAngelRodriguezFastBreak%2FARTheU.jpg&hash=0c68f6967f53cd4364ea0b28c203c08c290d1196)
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurricanesports.com%2Ffls%2F28700%2FMens_Basketball%2F201314%2FAngelRodriguezFastBreak%2FARTheU.jpg&hash=0c68f6967f53cd4364ea0b28c203c08c290d1196)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeZZr_p6vB8
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.
Both of you have bad memories. Ohlde wasn't mistreated, part of Wecker's problem was that Ohlde was treated like the Queen of the World, could do no wrong and Wecker was not. The problems between Deb and Kendra had ZERO to do with sexual orientation, some of the players felt that devout Christians were treated better than non-devout Christians. They simply butted heads, like coaches and players often do. One of the biggest issues that Kendra and Deb had was Kendra getting in trouble for playing intramural softball. Kendra took the its better to ask forgiveness than permission approach and the coaches weren't happy about it. Kendra should have asked permission even though Deb would have said no, and Deb should have been more flexible. The coaches thought those teams weren't as cohesive as they could have been because they didn't get along great. They didn't fight, but they weren't tight like great teams are. Wecker didn't really hang with the team as much as one would think. There was a separation in the big 4, Wecker and Mahoney were one group and Koehn and Ohlde were another. It was a bit more complex than that but its a good way to hurriedly and crudely show the division with those teams.
Bottom line is that those issues had nothing to do with sexual orientation and are issues that a lot of teams have to deal with. People want to take the very sexist and lazy approach and chalk it up to either "bitches be crazy" or the lesbians and the straight girls didn't get along when in actuality it was just your standard sub-par team chemistry that kills teams of both genders.
source, me A+
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.
Both of you have bad memories. Ohlde wasn't mistreated, part of Wecker's problem was that Ohlde was treated like the Queen of the World, could do no wrong and Wecker was not. The problems between Deb and Kendra had ZERO to do with sexual orientation, some of the players felt that devout Christians were treated better than non-devout Christians. They simply butted heads, like coaches and players often do. One of the biggest issues that Kendra and Deb had was Kendra getting in trouble for playing intramural softball. Kendra took the its better to ask forgiveness than permission approach and the coaches weren't happy about it. Kendra should have asked permission even though Deb would have said no, and Deb should have been more flexible. The coaches thought those teams weren't as cohesive as they could have been because they didn't get along great. They didn't fight, but they weren't tight like great teams are. Wecker didn't really hang with the team as much as one would think. There was a separation in the big 4, Wecker and Mahoney were one group and Koehn and Ohlde were another. It was a bit more complex than that but its a good way to hurriedly and crudely show the division with those teams.
Bottom line is that those issues had nothing to do with sexual orientation and are issues that a lot of teams have to deal with. People want to take the very sexist and lazy approach and chalk it up to either "bitches be crazy" or the lesbians and the straight girls didn't get along when in actuality it was just your standard sub-par team chemistry that kills teams of both genders.
source, me A+
I do seem to remember "religious" conversations/complaints coming up in the ohlde/wecker era. But honestly, I did zero digging outside of the article and the he said she said crap that was floating around small town kansas
sent from my phone while in the crapper
-
Mahoney is my favorite KSU Wildcat bballer from the women's teams. Bummed she didn't come back for the celebration with the rest of the team.
SdK actually cleaned their locker rooms they year they won it. :D
-
I'll get in touch with my source tomorrow, a best bud of Ohlde during the year in question, and get the facts banged out.
-
Was it a difference between laptopites, and non laptopites?
As I recall, Deb didn't buy laptops for everybody, just 4 or 5 players.
-
Over/under on Leti's release?
I'll go with May 16th.
-
Over/under on Leti's release?
I'll go with May 16th.
Sounds about right.
-
Whatever day the big spring game secret announcement is. Or the day dwayne bowe gets arrested or moose hits two home runs.
-
I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed. So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurricanesports.com%2Ffls%2F28700%2FMens_Basketball%2F201314%2FAngelRodriguezFastBreak%2FARTheU.jpg&hash=0c68f6967f53cd4364ea0b28c203c08c290d1196)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeZZr_p6vB8
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com%2Fpics33%2F640%2FMB%2FMBUAWBHBGJAKMRI.20131023203925.jpg&hash=435a465c7878e90dfa454b7d7fddf5a32e671f9d)
-
Here's the best one:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurricanesports.com%2Ffls%2F28700%2FMens_Basketball%2F201314%2FAngelRodriguezFastBreak%2FARNoLook.jpg&hash=91382d401ab563889dc67a40ff126fec494dd2df)
-
:love:
I don't like the ACC over the name though.
-
Here's the best one:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurricanesports.com%2Ffls%2F28700%2FMens_Basketball%2F201314%2FAngelRodriguezFastBreak%2FARNoLook.jpg&hash=91382d401ab563889dc67a40ff126fec494dd2df)
that one is so good i'm considering having it tatooed on my body.
-
The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking
As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.
Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.
Both of you have bad memories. Ohlde wasn't mistreated, part of Wecker's problem was that Ohlde was treated like the Queen of the World, could do no wrong and Wecker was not. The problems between Deb and Kendra had ZERO to do with sexual orientation, some of the players felt that devout Christians were treated better than non-devout Christians. They simply butted heads, like coaches and players often do. One of the biggest issues that Kendra and Deb had was Kendra getting in trouble for playing intramural softball. Kendra took the its better to ask forgiveness than permission approach and the coaches weren't happy about it. Kendra should have asked permission even though Deb would have said no, and Deb should have been more flexible. The coaches thought those teams weren't as cohesive as they could have been because they didn't get along great. They didn't fight, but they weren't tight like great teams are. Wecker didn't really hang with the team as much as one would think. There was a separation in the big 4, Wecker and Mahoney were one group and Koehn and Ohlde were another. It was a bit more complex than that but its a good way to hurriedly and crudely show the division with those teams.
Bottom line is that those issues had nothing to do with sexual orientation and are issues that a lot of teams have to deal with. People want to take the very sexist and lazy approach and chalk it up to either "bitches be crazy" or the lesbians and the straight girls didn't get along when in actuality it was just your standard sub-par team chemistry that kills teams of both genders.
source, me A+
There is always drama, especially when there are women involved. not "bitches be crazy" but drama. Source A++
-
Man, had a lot of exposure to Matilda Mossman back in the day when she was WBB coach at K-State. #bsc
-
I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed. So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.
There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.
-
I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed. So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.
There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.
I find it hard to believe, too. I mean it's not like I have documentation here.
-
I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed. So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.
There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.
I find it hard to believe, too. I mean it's not like I have documentation here.
:lol:
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurricanesports.com%2Ffls%2F28700%2FMens_Basketball%2F201314%2FAngelRodriguezFastBreak%2FARTheU.jpg&hash=0c68f6967f53cd4364ea0b28c203c08c290d1196)
Why is the letter B on his jersey? I'm guessing it's in memory of oscar.
-
I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed. So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.
There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.
I find it hard to believe, too. I mean it's not like I have documentation here.
Munity is too strong of a word, but some crap was going down, wasn't like frank was going to lose his Job. Frank would of had a depleted roster going into that next year. He got out at the opportune time. His weakness got the best of him.
-
the opportune time
When better programs were throwing $2-3 million at him years before would've been more opportune. I'd say after a 'ship w/the spradlesscats in 12-13 would've been more opportune also.
-
Munity is too strong of a word
Also, :D
-
the opportune time
When better programs were throwing $2-3 million at him years before would've been more opportune. I'd say after a 'ship w/the spradlesscats in 12-13 would've been more opportune also.
At the time, he didn't know that crap would go south beforehand so fast. If frank coached in 12 we would of sucked balls.
-
balls.
Easy, bad person.
-
Do not bring up any possibility of a player mutiny to the Frankites, they'll have none of that kind of talk.
Still don't get the love for noted FP/TC Angel Rodriquez, but, to each his own I guess.
-
can we get a pavlov emoticon
-
balls.
Easy, bad person.
:lol:
-
http://themercury.com/articles/bilas-blasts-k-state-over-handling-of-romero-case
-
Deport her
-
Someone needs to tar and feather bilas, then pay him to do his pretentious analsys of his own tar and feathering video.
-
According to K-State’s student-athlete handbook, “except for the most compelling of circumstances which place an undue burden on the student athlete, it is the policy of the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics not to grant a release for purposes of a transfer or provide the one-time transfer exception.”
This debate keeps getting bogged down with tampering and women's basketball but it really should be about this sentence. I really don't know why or how anyone could argue that this is a policy we our anyone rise should have. I also don't understand why we feel the need to have this as a published policy, when it really is up to the coaches and as we've heard a million times, each situation is unique.
-
http://themercury.com/articles/bilas-blasts-k-state-over-handling-of-romero-case
good article.
-
i wonder why she's chosen not to waive her privacy rights
-
i wonder why she's chosen not to waive her privacy rights
yeah
-
Currie also tweeted Tuesday that he was looking forward to visiting with Bilas, who earlier in the morning tweeted, “Good for K-State recruits to note — KSU handbook says it will deny most transfers. EWAH — Every Wildcat A Hostage?”
Bilas and Currie did talk, but the two didn’t reach much of an understanding.
“It did not go well,” Bilas said. “He didn’t say anything. He put out on twitter that he wanted to discuss transfer policy — he did not do that. And he would not discuss anything having to do with the Romero case. That’s fine. He’s a very nice man and I enjoyed meeting him, but nothing worthwhile came out of our discussion.
“And I didn’t put out that I was going to talk with him — he did. And then he said absolutely nothing.”
This sounds like it would've been fantastically awkward to watch.
-
i wonder why she's chosen not to waive her privacy rights
yeah
KSU would still cite privacy to not comment on things they don't want to comment on.
-
i wonder why bilas didn't take her case. he's a lawyer. maybe he doesn't have time though.
-
i wonder why she's chosen not to waive her privacy rights
yeah
KSU would still cite privacy to not comment on things they don't want to comment on.
right because they likely can't prove anything, which would just make them look worse than they already do. i mean, she really has nothing to lose i wouldn't think.
-
I get the impression that this isn't really about K-State or Romero for Bilas. It's just an opportunity for him to rail on the NCAA.
-
that's all it is for him
-
I think he has just always hated the crap out of K-State.
-
I think he has just always hated the crap out of K-State.
He is an elitist, hates all land grant universities. Doesn't believe in them.
-
i wonder why bilas didn't take her case. he's a lawyer. maybe he doesn't have time though.
:Yuck:
He's a pretty terrible advocate for those of us on team student-athletes are treated unfairly. He's an arrogant blowhard and an absolutist, a devastating combo to attempt to win someone over to your side in an argument. Unfortunately people in Bristol keep running him out there like he speaks for someone other than himself.
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
Publicly? Never.
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
Publicly? Never.
Is it a student athlete privacy issue?
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
Publicly? Never.
Is it a student athlete privacy issue?
That and there is 0 to gain by doing so. Releasing evidence of tampering also points a finger at another school and you don't want to be the athletic department publicly snitchin, that's a bulls eye you want to avoid.
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
Publicly? Never.
Is it a student athlete privacy issue?
That and there is 0 to gain by doing so. Releasing evidence of tampering also points a finger at another school and you don't want to be the athletic department publicly snitchin, that's a bulls eye you want to avoid.
Kind of a bitch move, tho. Self-serving and opaque to don such a cloak. Sometimes it's good to be on the periphery of the nat'l consciousness, I suppose.
-
Jay Bilas ?@JayBilas 10m
KSU AD @john_currie tweeted transfer denial "RARE" unless "concerns" over tampering, influence, dishonesty. So much for Romero's "privacy."
-
so much for k-state's "right" to "defend itself" against "your" dumbass "rants", bilas
-
Jay Bilas ?@JayBilas 10m
KSU AD @john_currie tweeted transfer denial "RARE" unless "concerns" over tampering, influence, dishonesty. So much for Romero's "privacy."
I think he one of those crazy persons.
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
Publicly? Never.
Is it a student athlete privacy issue?
That and there is 0 to gain by doing so. Releasing evidence of tampering also points a finger at another school and you don't want to be the athletic department publicly snitchin, that's a bulls eye you want to avoid.
Seems like it would be insanely easy to leak the tampering without being the snitch.
-
I missed one:
Jay Bilas ?@JayBilas 1h
KSU Prez wants "athlete feedback" on reform, transfer policy: http://bit.ly/1fw4QjA Leticia Romero has given you "feedback." Release her.
Go get 'em Jay!
-
bilas is really taking a very strong stand on this one. like he's really anchored down.
-
I think Bilas is actually starting to look worse than Kansas State here.
-
I think Bilas is actually starting to look worse than Kansas State here.
Almost to the point that it looks like we paid him to act like a douche so we wouldn't look so bad.
-
I think Bilas is actually starting to look worse than Kansas State here.
pay attention, he always has
-
Jay is beating the piss out of gE my gawd...
-
I think he has been behind this all along and is trying to use Leti to get a job coaching women's hoops. Stop tampering Jay! :shakesfist:
-
I think he has been behind this all along and is trying to use Leti to get a job coaching women's hoops. Stop tampering Jay! :shakesfist:
Him and Shalee are in cahoots!!
-
I think he has been behind this all along and is trying to use Leti to get a job coaching women's hoops. Stop tampering Jay! :shakesfist:
Oh man, wouldn't that be a great plot twist
:popcorn:
-
I think Bilas is actually starting to look worse than Kansas State here.
Because he won't relent? Odd stance.
-
Are they going to release evidence of tampering or not? I can't think of a reason they should keep her here. It just makes the AD look bad.
Publicly? Never.
Is it a student athlete privacy issue?
That and there is 0 to gain by doing so. Releasing evidence of tampering also points a finger at another school and you don't want to be the athletic department publicly snitchin, that's a bulls eye you want to avoid.
Seems like it would be insanely easy to leak the tampering without being the snitch.
If they wouldn't have spent a week talking publicly about Leti and tampering, yes.
-
I think Bilas is actually starting to look worse than Kansas State here.
Because he won't relent? Odd stance.
Jay Bilas ?@JayBilas 10m
KSU AD @john_currie tweeted transfer denial "RARE" unless "concerns" over tampering, influence, dishonesty. So much for Romero's "privacy."
I mean, don't ask a question and then bitch about the answer. And if you are concerned about her privacy at all, you don't retweet information like that to all of your 684,000 followers who don't follow John Currie.
-
I think Bilas is actually starting to look worse than Kansas State here.
Because he won't relent? Odd stance.
Jay Bilas ?@JayBilas 10m
KSU AD @john_currie tweeted transfer denial "RARE" unless "concerns" over tampering, influence, dishonesty. So much for Romero's "privacy."
I mean, don't ask a question and then bitch about the answer. And if you are concerned about her privacy at all, you don't retweet information like that to all of your 684,000 followers who don't follow John Currie.
He's not concerned about her privacy.
-
Oh, I misread his tweet.
-
so DNR this thread the past week or so, seen Leti on campus in Hale and she hasn't seemed that distraught by the whole situation :dunno:
-
so DNR this thread the past week or so, seen Leti on campus in Hale and she hasn't seemed that distraught by the whole situation :dunno:
You expect her to constantly walk around in tears?
-
:dubious:
-
so DNR this thread the past week or so, seen Leti on campus in Hale and she hasn't seemed that distraught by the whole situation :dunno:
You expect her to constantly walk around in tears?
If she did I bet she would get her release.
-
front page! :ksu:
http://espn.go.com/womens-basketball/ (http://espn.go.com/womens-basketball/)
http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10893110/women-college-basketball-controversy-swirls-leticia-romero-denied-transfer-kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10893110/women-college-basketball-controversy-swirls-leticia-romero-denied-transfer-kansas-state-wildcats)
-
well K-State looks like complete studs in this deal
-
Leticia Romero sits in a Starbucks, about 4,600 miles away from her home in Spain's Canary Islands. It's a gray afternoon, an average April day in Kansas.
can't hold MHK down. Sorry, Mechelle...see the sunburn thread. :cool:
-
UNC gave the national freshman of the year an unconditional release? rough ridin' amateurs. They are going to get their balls and vages tampered off. Open season tar jerks.
-
Looks like Mittie has the advantage vs oscar in the adversity to overcome. :ksu:
-
Looks like Mittie has the advantage vs oscar in the adversity to overcome. :ksu:
Yup, can go winless
-
kick their asses, mechelle.
-
I bet all the dicks that took issue with her use of the word blackmail feel like real dicks right now. She doesn't talk good in English fuckos! :shakesfist:
-
I bet all the dicks that took issue with her use of the word blackmail feel like real dicks right now. She doesn't talk good in English fuckos! :shakesfist:
probably why the lack of release; currie is protecting her
-
I mean, it's women's basketball.
-
@DickieV: @RebeccaLobo Amen Rebecca to that - Recruits in any sport should not allow KANSAS ST to talk to them @richarddeitsch
-
Holy crap, K-State is REALLY winning the PR battle here... :Wha:
-
rynjrgr: .@DickieV you are friends with known rapist Josh Leuke, step off the soap box.
DickieV: @rynjrgr Never ever heard of ur buddy - Set Leticia free KSU - #CRIMINAL
-
I'm not in the AD's camp on this one, but the rough ridin' ESPN coverage of this story is just baffling to me. Players in every sport should boycott K-State? Should players start boycotting every school that has committed an injustice against a player/student? Should shoppers boycott every business with an unfair policy? Hell, maybe we should all stop leaving our houses because there's a possibility that something unfair might happen to us if we deal with other humans. JFC ESPN :facepalm:
-
Players in every sport should boycott K-State? Should players start boycotting every school that has committed an injustice against a player/student?
why shouldn't they? what does kstate offer than 100s of other schools that don't go out of their way to publicly crap on their scholarship athletes don't?
-
ESPN must want Leti in the SEC.
-
You know we might be in the clear now, that guy is an insufferable Dick. And who's that rebbecca lobo?
Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk
-
Players in every sport should boycott K-State? Should players start boycotting every school that has committed an injustice against a player/student?
why shouldn't they? what does kstate offer than 100s of other schools that don't go out of their way to publicly crap on their scholarship athletes don't?
Because every university in the history of the world has a habit of doing shitty things to people to protect their self interest. K-State is not any worse than your average school. There may be a lesser chance of having this particular shitty thing happen to a recruit somewhere else, but I'm sure there's an equal chance that something just as shitty will happen to them.
-
Because every university in the history of the world has a habit of doing shitty things to people to protect their self interest. K-State is not any worse than your average school. There may be a lesser chance of having this particular shitty thing happen to a recruit somewhere else, but I'm sure there's an equal chance that something just as shitty will happen to them.
when it happens, recruits should boycott them too.
-
Because every university in the history of the world has a habit of doing shitty things to people to protect their self interest. K-State is not any worse than your average school. There may be a lesser chance of having this particular shitty thing happen to a recruit somewhere else, but I'm sure there's an equal chance that something just as shitty will happen to them.
when it happens, recruits should boycott them too.
So, recruits should boycott the school that they think gives them the best chance to accomplish their goals because there's an infinitesimal chance they might get mumped over? That doesn't seem to be a very intelligent thing to do, especially since their chances of being mumped over are about the same at any school they might attend.
-
So, recruits should boycott the school that they think gives them the best chance to accomplish their goals because there's an infinitesimal chance they might get mumped over? That doesn't seem to be a very intelligent thing to do, especially since their chances of being mumped over are about the same at any school they might attend.
no one thinks kstate gives them the best chance to accomplish anything.
-
So, recruits should boycott the school that they think gives them the best chance to accomplish their goals because there's an infinitesimal chance they might get mumped over? That doesn't seem to be a very intelligent thing to do, especially since their chances of being mumped over are about the same at any school they might attend.
no one thinks kstate gives them the best chance to accomplish anything.
Soil judging :gocho:
-
Soil judging :gocho:
soil judges, take note. wherefore goes leti romero.
-
How much better shape would the KSU AD be in if all personnel and student-athlete decisions were decided by a panel made up of the best goEMAW'ers (myself, sys, kat daddy)? or at least consulted with us.
"hey, are we going to look like complete fuckups if we do this?"
"yes, who told you to do that?"
"some guy"
"well don't"
"k"
-
This is going to end with Fitz being interviewed on ESPN trying to use the tampering defense and just making the whole thing worse.
-
This is going to end with Fitz being interviewed on ESPN trying to use the tampering defense and just making the whole thing worse.
it's snowballing nicely so I can see it
-
Did ESPN tell students to boycott Penn State? They should have. I think raping is worse than not releasing an athlete. (Both are really stupid, but one is an actual horrible crime.)
Tweet that to Bilas and DickieV.
Gonna win 'em all!
-
such a stupid hill to die on. let her go and save face.
-
such a stupid hill to die on. let her go and save face.
Yeah, the message (even if it was a dumb one) has been sent. Its time to Leti Romero whereever she wants to.
-
hey CC, how much longer till they release her? It's gotta be soon.
-
How much better shape would the KSU AD be in if all personnel and student-athlete decisions were decided by a panel made up of the best goEMAW'ers (myself, sys, kat daddy)? or at least consulted with us.
"hey, are we going to look like complete fuckups if we do this?"
"yes, who told you to do that?"
"some guy"
"well don't"
"k"
:thumbsup:
-
what if the government expels her from the country since she's not even an american (patriot act) and then currie still won't release her and we have a federal war between the US and KS? who would control the USA's missiles in KS? it would be much like the civil war. US citizens who support leti (known spaniard, non-us citizen, non-ksu cat) considered treasonous? does US bomb NBAF and release toxins which poison meat goat facility?
can state of KS survive the battle against DC? honestly i think nebraska would join our side and maybe the dakotas too.
-
what if the government expels her from the country since she's not even an american (patriot act) and then currie still won't release her and we have a federal war between the US and KS? who would control the USA's missiles in KS? it would be much like the civil war. US citizens who support leti (known spaniard, non-us citizen, non-ksu cat) considered treasonous? does US bomb NBAF and release toxins which poison meat goat facility?
can state of KS survive the battle against DC? honestly i think nebraska would join our side and maybe the dakotas too.
Ft. Riley will have the 1st infantry division of Wildcat republic also. Won't even have to change names.
-
Well, if ESPN gets its way, then the administration's policy will have paid off: no school will tamper with K-State student athletes, because the student athletes K-State will be able to get won't be good enough to go anywhere else.
-
This is going to end with Fitz being interviewed on ESPN trying to use the tampering defense and just making the whole thing worse.
it's snowballing nicely so I can see it
KATDADDY SOCK!
-
The only downside to this whole thing is if no one has actually talked to Leti. Is that really a possibility? I find it hard to believe she is part of some elaborate lying scheme. KState would save face be sitting down with her and keeping her up to date on the process. It is unlikely an 18 yr old anywhere would understand the complications that come with staffing changes. It is also likely they could have swayed her to be positive about the experience had the university been up front with her. Honestly, I would bet the farm she will get her release before the summer.
Saw this in the comments, is it true?
"Last year Kansas State did not release a football player Manase Foketi after he graduated and wanted to go play near home. If you go to Kansas state it is like going to prison. stay away kids."
-
hopefully espn boycotts us too, no more televised games
-
such a stupid hill to die on. let her go and save face.
Yeah, the message (even if it was a dumb one) has been sent. Its time to Leti Romero whereever she wants to.
:D
-
front page! :ksu:
http://espn.go.com/womens-basketball/ (http://espn.go.com/womens-basketball/)
http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10893110/women-college-basketball-controversy-swirls-leticia-romero-denied-transfer-kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10893110/women-college-basketball-controversy-swirls-leticia-romero-denied-transfer-kansas-state-wildcats)
32 comments at the end of the story. Almost literally nobody cares.
-
Women's basketball, seriously?! No one cares except espn, which now has a scape goat to blame all ncaa issues on. If they put the full court press on KState, does the animal lose his spot on the NCAA steering committee?
Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk
-
I spent about 10 minutes poking around the internet.
An athlete whose release is denied can appeal to a committee at his school that is outside the athletic department and to the NCAA itself.
This article says that, too. http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/8/4189926/ncaa-transfer-rules-rushel-shell-pitt-arizona-state (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/8/4189926/ncaa-transfer-rules-rushel-shell-pitt-arizona-state)
Is Romero appealing to the NCAA?
Someone else brought this up earlier:
A program is dinged a "retention point" under APR rules if the departing player does not have a grade-point average of at least 2.6. Low overall APR scores can jeopardize a program's postseason eligibility.
Romero said she "passed" her classes, but might this be the issue? (Admittedly, Currie's vague tweets didn't indicate it was.)
Finally, how does a recruit keep track of where not to play? St. Joe, Wisconsin, FIU, Pitt, Houston, Maryland, Texas Tech, Nevada, etc. popped up in Google searches of the issue. (K-State didn't... yet.)
-
Women's basketball, seriously?! No one cares except espn, which now has a scape goat to blame all ncaa issues on. If they put the full court press on KState, does the animal lose his spot on the NCAA steering committee?
Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk
That's why it was so incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release in the first place. It could only serve to make K-State look bad. Nothing to be gained. It doesn't deter tampering. Any school that recruits against K-State has to be enjoying this.
Cost: we look like petty villains over our women's basketball program vs benefit: Romero is leaving one way or the other no matter what we do and whoever tampered doesn't give a crap if we give her a hard time and will thoroughly enjoy us looking like rough ridin' idiots in the press. :confused: Everybody that didn't have crap for their brain knew that.
Don't give a crap why a players wants to leave, if there are signs of tampering you don't want to roll over. You don't want to become a target for future tampering. It is simple cause and effect, player gets tampered with ====> block transfer, make and big stink about it and eventually release player with certain provisions.
You think the people who "tampered" give a crap if Currie plays hard ball with her? Yeah, it'll never happen again because Currie made himself look like a dumbfuck in the press by being a tough guy to a girl from Spain. Excellent logic here. I know Bo Ryan came out looking amazing and Uthoff didn't end up at Iowa or anything. Mission accomplished, those dirty fucks won't ever do that again.
I support it fully if K-State legitimately believes the player has been tampered with.
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
:lol:
-
Leti cry, if the tears fall down like rain
Leti sing, if it eases all her pain
Leti go, Leti walk right out on me
And if the sun comes up tomorrow
Leti be, Leti be.
-
Leti cry, if the tears fall down like rain
Leti sing, if it eases all her pain
Leti go, Leti walk right out on me
And if the sun comes up tomorrow
Leti be, Leti be.
:thumbsup:
-
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
-
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
Did anyone tell her that's why she's not being released? Because it doesn't seem like anyone gave her an explanation.
-
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
Did anyone tell her that's why she's not being released? Because it doesn't seem like anyone gave her an explanation.
:dunno:
-
It's weird that neither CC or Currie mentioned APR concerns earlier if that's the problem. They just talked about tampering. It's probably APR though.
-
First of all :ROFL: at Currie and Schulz for allowing this to drag on for a month. Leti is not playing here next year, so these idiots are continuing to allow Kansas State to be trashed in the national media for what? Can't blame Bilas anymore. Also when this happened I expressed concern that this could potentially hurt other sports because this is an athletic department policy and not a women's basketball issue. The more this lingers the more of a possibility that exists for this to happen. It isn't even negative recruiting, the athletic director publicly said this is a policy of Kansas State Athletics, it isn't hard or dirty to point this out.
Because every university in the history of the world has a habit of doing shitty things to people to protect their self interest. K-State is not any worse than your average school. There may be a lesser chance of having this particular shitty thing happen to a recruit somewhere else, but I'm sure there's an equal chance that something just as shitty will happen to them.
First of all a student athlete not getting his/her release is rare, it's even rare here. The difference is when it happens to a school they go immediately into no comment mode. We didn't get caught a la Wisconsin Men's Basketball and then didn't comment when pressed by the media. It was internet rumor and then the athletic department went public with it before anyone of any significance found out. They figured that if they were out ahead of the story telling their side, they wouldn't take a hit :ROFL: at having no understanding about how the media and the public think of student athlete issues. The "it's just women's basketball" thing that people like GOSP does is interesting because I think a women's basketball player is more sympathetic to the media and the public than a star football or men's basketball player would be. I'm floored that the administration of K-State didn't and continue to not figure this out. Are these guys insulated by too many yes men? I'm sure Mittie can't care all that much, if he tells his bosses to let her go will they listen?
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
Hey look it's a dax trick!!! If she was granted her transfer in April, of course she would have finished the semester here, what kind of ignorant talking point is this? Do you really think she would have done all of the work leading up to 3 weeks before finals only to drop out and then make herself ineligible for next season, wherever she's going? Even if she decided to just drop out in April K-State Women's Basketball is in NO danger of APR trouble, literally none. K-State WBB and women's volleyball are two of the most highly academic achieving sports teams men or women, in the Big 12 conference and has been for a very very long time. This isn't even a matter of debate and Dax knows it, the athletic department have been using this selling point since Deb got here, the first season of the Big 12 Conference's existence.
The APR had literally no bearing on this decision, it makes me smile seeing the excuse machine working. Dunno, seems it would be easier to stop making excuses and do the right thing.
-
I knew it wouldn't take much to set off perpetually angry MIR.
We get it MIR, you live in a world where K-State should have an open door policy that allows student athletes to get any and all transfer requests approved no matter what the circumstances.
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
You don't really have a clue about anything, you're just soap boxing it just like everyone else.
-
I think we can all agree it's been about the APR all along.
-
Yes, set off! Look at Dax pointing out the angry black man sitting over in the corner smiling. The two :ROFL: I used in my post gave my anger away, huh? Also did you guys see when dax said that they didn't release her possibly because of APR issues, I pointed out that WBB has no APR issues nor the immediate potential of one and then he completely changed his stance.
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
What happened in those 35 minutes? Did you see that K-State WBB had 6 academic all-conference players this past season?
For the future, instead of going with the amazingly lazy angry black man card, you should just say, "I guess I was wrong about that." I know it's hard for you but after the first time admitting you're wrong gets much easier, easier than saying racist crap anyway.
-
I think we can all agree it's been about the APR all along.
You're right, A PR nightmare.
-
Yes, set off! Look at Dax pointing out the angry black man sitting over in the corner smiling. The two :ROFL: I used in my post gave my anger away, huh? Also did you guys see when dax said that they didn't release her possibly because of APR issues, I pointed out that WBB has no APR issues nor the immediate potential of one and then he completely changed his stance.
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
What happened in those 35 minutes? Did you see that K-State WBB had 6 academic all-conference players this past season?
For the future, instead of going with the amazingly lazy angry black man card, you should just say, "I guess I was wrong about that." I know it's hard for you but after the first time admitting you're wrong gets much easier, easier than saying racist crap anyway.
You sadly bring race into nearly every discussion. Pathetic. It's very close to impossible for you to have any discussion without either bringing up racism or sexism and many times it's both.
I was fully aware of WBB's APR, I've been following APR, the Federal Graduation Rate and GSR for years.
Again, the status of the rest of the team is immaterial to this discussion.
-
The "it's just women's basketball" thing that people like GOSP does is interesting because I think a women's basketball player is more sympathetic to the media and the public than a star football or men's basketball player would be. I'm floored that the administration of K-State didn't and continue to not figure this out. Are these guys insulated by too many yes men?
I'd never use those exact words, but yes I didn't think this would get as much publicity as it has, since it was a women's sport. Myabe this is a sign of the (welcome) strides women's sports have been making. Did you know Manhattan, Kansas, hosted the women's Final Four in 1974? That won't happen again.
-
Yes, set off! Look at Dax pointing out the angry black man sitting over in the corner smiling. The two :ROFL: I used in my post gave my anger away, huh? Also did you guys see when dax said that they didn't release her possibly because of APR issues, I pointed out that WBB has no APR issues nor the immediate potential of one and then he completely changed his stance.
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
What happened in those 35 minutes? Did you see that K-State WBB had 6 academic all-conference players this past season?
For the future, instead of going with the amazingly lazy angry black man card, you should just say, "I guess I was wrong about that." I know it's hard for you but after the first time admitting you're wrong gets much easier, easier than saying racist crap anyway.
You sadly bring race into nearly every discussion. Pathetic. It's very close to impossible for you to have any discussion without either bringing up racism or sexism and many times it's both.
I was fully aware of WBB's APR, I've been following APR, the Federal Graduation Rate and GSR for years.
Again, the status of the rest of the team is immaterial to this discussion.
I didn't say anything remotely close to angry, so I guess I don't know how else I was supposed to construe that; you said it I didn't.
You also said that it was an APR issue now you're saying that Leti not damaging the team's APR isn't germane to the conversation. At this point it would be best for you to shut up as you clearly have talked yourself into knots, but you are incapable of letting anyone be right so I'm sure you'll say something else stupid.
-
Romero if you want to, Romero around the world
Romero if you want to, without wings without wheels
Romero if you want to, Romero around the world
Romero if you want to, without anything but the love we feel
-
It's still like 100 degrees out. I'm gonna wear my Angel jersey (sleeveless undershirt underneath) today in retroactive support.
-
What a pickle. A P-P-P-P-P-Pickle (dill)!
-
Dax, you don't have to take my word for it as you undoubtedly have seen pictures of super-smiley MIR. He's not perpetually angry.
-
The "it's just women's basketball" thing that people like GOSP does is interesting because I think a women's basketball player is more sympathetic to the media and the public than a star football or men's basketball player would be. I'm floored that the administration of K-State didn't and continue to not figure this out. Are these guys insulated by too many yes men?
I'd never use those exact words, but yes I didn't think this would get as much publicity as it has, since it was a women's sport. Myabe this is a sign of the (welcome) strides women's sports have been making. Did you know Manhattan, Kansas, hosted the women's Final Four in 1974? That won't happen again.
I didn't know that! Of course as you know the NCAA didn't recognize women's basketball as a sport then so it was the AIAW championship. You guys want to hear something else stupid SonOfDiarrheaOfTheMouth said? He doesn't think that the fact that the NCAA didn't recognize women's basketball untill the 1981-82 season is a factor in the sport not having as much parity as men's basketball. You can't make this stuff up.
-
Yes, set off! Look at Dax pointing out the angry black man sitting over in the corner smiling. The two :ROFL: I used in my post gave my anger away, huh? Also did you guys see when dax said that they didn't release her possibly because of APR issues, I pointed out that WBB has no APR issues nor the immediate potential of one and then he completely changed his stance.
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
What happened in those 35 minutes? Did you see that K-State WBB had 6 academic all-conference players this past season?
For the future, instead of going with the amazingly lazy angry black man card, you should just say, "I guess I was wrong about that." I know it's hard for you but after the first time admitting you're wrong gets much easier, easier than saying racist crap anyway.
You sadly bring race into nearly every discussion. Pathetic. It's very close to impossible for you to have any discussion without either bringing up racism or sexism and many times it's both.
I was fully aware of WBB's APR, I've been following APR, the Federal Graduation Rate and GSR for years.
Again, the status of the rest of the team is immaterial to this discussion.
I didn't say anything remotely close to angry, so I guess I don't know how else I was supposed to construe that; you said it I didn't.
You also said that it was an APR issue now you're saying that Leti not damaging the team's APR isn't germane to the conversation. At this point it would be best for you to shut up as you clearly have talked yourself into knots, but you are incapable of letting anyone be right so I'm sure you'll say something else stupid.
Incorrect. Again, you were so eager to pounce you failed to comprehend. I said the status of the rest of the members of the team was immaterial to the discussion. I don't care if there were OTHER players who were academic All-American's. I don't care if the overall TEAM APR is high.
And again . . . it's a rare day when you can make it through any thread without bringing race, racism or sexism into the discussion. Sad
-
I think she should be released. I also give no shits about how it "hurts" our national perception. Mainly because I think it won't (in the long term).
-
Yes, set off! Look at Dax pointing out the angry black man sitting over in the corner smiling. The two :ROFL: I used in my post gave my anger away, huh? Also did you guys see when dax said that they didn't release her possibly because of APR issues, I pointed out that WBB has no APR issues nor the immediate potential of one and then he completely changed his stance.
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
What happened in those 35 minutes? Did you see that K-State WBB had 6 academic all-conference players this past season?
For the future, instead of going with the amazingly lazy angry black man card, you should just say, "I guess I was wrong about that." I know it's hard for you but after the first time admitting you're wrong gets much easier, easier than saying racist crap anyway.
You sadly bring race into nearly every discussion. Pathetic. It's very close to impossible for you to have any discussion without either bringing up racism or sexism and many times it's both.
I was fully aware of WBB's APR, I've been following APR, the Federal Graduation Rate and GSR for years.
Again, the status of the rest of the team is immaterial to this discussion.
I didn't say anything remotely close to angry, so I guess I don't know how else I was supposed to construe that; you said it I didn't.
You also said that it was an APR issue now you're saying that Leti not damaging the team's APR isn't germane to the conversation. At this point it would be best for you to shut up as you clearly have talked yourself into knots, but you are incapable of letting anyone be right so I'm sure you'll say something else stupid.
Incorrect. Again, you were so eager to pounce you failed to comprehend. I said the status of the rest of the members of the team was immaterial to the discussion. I don't care if there were OTHER players who were academic All-American's. I don't care if the overall TEAM APR is high.
And again . . . it's a rare day when you can make it through any thread without bringing race, racism or sexism into the discussion. Sad
Can someone else make sense of what the hell dax is talking about? They won't release Leti because of APR issues yet what the APR of the team is isn't an issue :confused: if this bullshit makes sense to anyone else please explain it to me a different way so I can get it.
My post history runs quite contrary to "And again . . . it's a rare day when you can make it through any thread without bringing race, racism or sexism into the discussion. Sad" I would like to once again point out, we were talking about K-State making themselves look foolish and you decided to play the angry black dude card, not me. GOSP didn't observe anger, only you did. Look within bro.
-
Why is this so hard? You tried to blow me up by bringing up the APR of the women's sports teams. I was talking specifically about Leti, her specific situation, and the impact she specifically could possibly have on the APR. The situation of the rest of the team is immaterial to Leti's specific situation.
But again, you're so eager to try and blow me up, you're not understanding.
-
The only downside to this whole thing is if no one has actually talked to Leti. Is that really a possibility? I find it hard to believe she is part of some elaborate lying scheme. KState would save face be sitting down with her and keeping her up to date on the process. It is unlikely an 18 yr old anywhere would understand the complications that come with staffing changes. It is also likely they could have swayed her to be positive about the experience had the university been up front with her. Honestly, I would bet the farm she will get her release before the summer.
Saw this in the comments, is it true?
"Last year Kansas State did not release a football player Manase Foketi after he graduated and wanted to go play near home. If you go to Kansas state it is like going to prison. stay away kids."
Yes that is true on Foketi though it was a couple of years ago not last year. KSU's reason was they filed the paperwork to get him a medical redshirt therefore he owed them another year.
-
Captain Crap you say what about Leti's grades!? Are they bad or are they really bad? :ohno:
-
Why is this so hard? You tried to blow me up by bringing up the APR of the women's sports teams. I was talking specifically about Leti, her specific situation, and the impact she specifically could possibly have on the APR. The situation of the rest of the team is immaterial to Leti's specific situation.
But again, you're so eager to try and blow me up, you're not understanding.
I don't understand what you're saying because APR is a team rating, so the status of the other 13 players of the team are pretty important dax. on a scale of 1-14, 13 is a significantly larger number than 1. Of course all of this is assuming that Leti would have literally been the first college basketball player to transfer from one D1 school to another D1 school and then drop out of the school she's transferring from three weeks before finals.
The fact that you won't even quietly bow out of this conversation because your point about APR was triple dumb is astounding to me. Like it's dumb on several levels but you keep running it out there.
-
Why is this so hard? You tried to blow me up by bringing up the APR of the women's sports teams. I was talking specifically about Leti, her specific situation, and the impact she specifically could possibly have on the APR. The situation of the rest of the team is immaterial to Leti's specific situation.
But again, you're so eager to try and blow me up, you're not understanding.
I don't understand what you're saying because APR is a team rating, so the status of the other 13 players of the team are pretty important dax. on a scale of 1-14, 13 is a significantly larger number than 1. Of course all of this is assuming that Leti would have literally been the first college basketball player to transfer from one D1 school to another D1 school and then drop out of the school she's transferring from three weeks before finals.
The fact that you won't even quietly bow out of this conversation because your point about APR was triple dumb is astounding to me. Like it's dumb on several levels but you keep running it out there.
You're making so many broad assumptions and generalizations there's no way to even respond. You have absolutely no way of knowing what's going on, and everything I said in my post that brought this knee jerk reactionary response from you was in the form of a question and very specific to the individual.
I feel the same way about your just bowing out, you've so misinterpreted everything I've said you're just trying to get the last word in at this juncture and doing a bad job in the process.
-
So no one else can decipher what the hell dax is talking about?
-
So no one else can decipher what the hell dax is talking about?
Tap out noted.
Thanks for all the "info" on APR though Captain Obvious.
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
he's not apologizing for the AD. he, unlike many here, refuse to buy the party line that K-State is in the wrong. you know, that is one of the boxes available to be checked.
-
Dax always takes the opposite of the goEMAW official stance.
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
he's not apologizing for the AD. he, unlike many here, refuse to buy the party line that K-State is in the wrong. you know, that is one of the boxes available to be checked.
Not releasing an athlete when the coach they were recruited by gets fired is flat-out wrong. Dax is riding the same train as Fitz and the rest of the K-State herd who buy Currie's excuses hook, line, and sinker.
-
clams is in the pocket of Big AD.
-
The yin to the raging goSHEEPmaw yang. The only --- or only one of a handful --- to raise above the vise grip of the 5 who control the mindless mass!
-
goSHEEPmaw
:love:
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
he's not apologizing for the AD. he, unlike many here, refuse to buy the party line that K-State is in the wrong. you know, that is one of the boxes available to be checked.
Not releasing an athlete when the coach they were recruited by gets fired is flat-out wrong. Dax is riding the same train as Fitz and the rest of the K-State herd who buy Currie's excuses hook, line, and sinker.
the thing is, that's your opinion. dax has his. maybe he just doesn't want to assume judgement without knowledge of the situation, there's nothing particularly wrong with that. the idea that the AD isn't 100% wrong based on anyone here's limited knowledge is no worse than the condemnation on display in this thread. #highfive
-
The yin to the raging goSHEEPmaw yang. The only --- or only one of a handful --- to raise above the vise grip of the 5 who control the mindless mass!
WHO COMPRISES THE goEMAW PENTAVORITE????
-
So no one else can decipher what the hell dax is talking about?
Tap out noted.
Thanks for all the "info" on APR though Captain Obvious.
This has nothing to do with APR. :shakesfist:
-
why is everyone throwing such a tamper-tandrum?
-
why is everyone throwing such a tamper-tandrum?
... nevermind.
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
he's not apologizing for the AD. he, unlike many here, refuse to buy the party line that K-State is in the wrong. you know, that is one of the boxes available to be checked.
Not releasing an athlete when the coach they were recruited by gets fired is flat-out wrong. Dax is riding the same train as Fitz and the rest of the K-State herd who buy Currie's excuses hook, line, and sinker.
If the price to ride the John Currie Express: Destination - Facility Upgrades is the life of some foreign person, sign me up!!
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
he's not apologizing for the AD. he, unlike many here, refuse to buy the party line that K-State is in the wrong. you know, that is one of the boxes available to be checked.
Do you understand his ever changing viewpoint on Leti harming our APR? No one else has attempted to decipher for me what he is saying so I'm starting to think he was just full of crap but not wanting to acknowledge that he was called on it.
-
It is not incredibly dumb for Currie not to grant the release if the player is going to damage the APR scores. I know no one here has all the facts, in fact, everyone here and ESPN has the absolute bare minimum level of facts . . but possibly they wanted her to complete the semester and hopefully do well?
It's a simple set of questions. Why should K-State just automatically give in to her demands if she is part of some package deal for a former K-State coach, and why should K-State just automatically give in if her transfer is going to damage K-State's APR?
The high APR of women's sports is absolutely immaterial to the discussion, why take a hit because some player wants to bail possibly as part of a package deal with a former coach?
I was fully aware of WBB's APR, I've been following APR, the Federal Graduation Rate and GSR for years.
Again, the status of the rest of the team is immaterial to this discussion.
http://youtu.be/n0w099fw4lw
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
he's not apologizing for the AD. he, unlike many here, refuse to buy the party line that K-State is in the wrong. you know, that is one of the boxes available to be checked.
Do you understand his ever changing viewpoint on Leti harming our APR? No one else has attempted to decipher for me what he is saying so I'm starting to think he was just full of crap but not wanting to acknowledge that he was called on it.
dude there's not a chance in hell I want to try and keep up with his or anyone else's arguments in this thread
:lol:
-
B
I
L E T I
A
S
-
goSHEEPmaw
:love:
-
goSHEEPmaw
EVERYONE GET YOUR DICKS OUT!
-
I WILL NOT BE SATISFIED UNTIL JAY BILAS ENDS JOHN CURRIE'S THROAT!
-
:sdeek:
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
I see all your stuff over on the phog Beems. You're the very definition of a ku propagandist. You're a walking, talking, typing ku glossy brochure who touts the ku party line at every possible opportunity . . . with thousands of posts on a K-State bulletin board no less. You're the last effing person to start referencing anybody else as an apologist.
MIR keeps talking about the team APR score, or individual academic accolades. All of which is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Individual student athletes make up the APR composite. Why should K-State potentially (Possibly, maybe) take an APR hit because one player wanted a transfer (possibly as part of a package deal) 12 minutes after the previous staff got fired? Reasonable question.
Why should K-State just immediately acquiesce to the transfer demands of a current player who may have been part of a tampering situation? Yet another reasonable question.
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
I see all your stuff over on the phog Beems. You're the very definition of a ku propagandist. You're a walking, talking, typing ku glossy brochure who touts the ku party line at every possible opportunity . . . with thousands of posts on a K-State bulletin board no less. You're the last effing person to start referencing anybody else as an apologist.
MIR keeps talking about the team APR score, or individual academic accolades. All of which is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Individual student athletes make up the APR composite. Why should K-State potentially (Possibly, maybe) take an APR hit because one player wanted a transfer (possibly as part of a package deal) 12 minutes after the previous staff got fired? Reasonable question.
Why should K-State just immediately acquiesce to the transfer demands of a current player who may have been part of a tampering situation? Yet another reasonable question.
SoDJ the HedgewordHog
-
Can we deport this thing?
-
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/leticia_romero_kansas_state_this_is_the_case_that_shows_why_college_athletes.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/leticia_romero_kansas_state_this_is_the_case_that_shows_why_college_athletes.html)
now slate is piling on.
frankly i'm not sure why there is so much discussion on this, i mean wgaf.
-
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/leticia_romero_kansas_state_this_is_the_case_that_shows_why_college_athletes.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/leticia_romero_kansas_state_this_is_the_case_that_shows_why_college_athletes.html)
now slate is piling on.
frankly i'm not sure why there is so much discussion on this, i mean wgaf.
Didn't read more than the first paragraph. Whole thing seemed luked.
-
K-State's PR department has this thing right where they want it. Just waiting for it to snowball just a bit more before unleashing our secret bit of information and making ourselves look like studs probably.
-
some tampering cat burgler was sneaking into the KSU house but KSU was on red alert and heard them coming. KSU stepped out of bed, winked at the sleeping wife like a complete stud in control of the situation, grabbed their biggest gun stashed in the night stand for this very situation, and confidently blew their own dick off.
-
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/leticia_romero_kansas_state_this_is_the_case_that_shows_why_college_athletes.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/05/leticia_romero_kansas_state_this_is_the_case_that_shows_why_college_athletes.html)
now slate is piling on.
frankly i'm not sure why there is so much discussion on this, i mean wgaf.
of course they're piling on. I'm not sure why you don't understand bad PR.
-
some tampering cat burgler was sneaking into the KSU house but KSU was on red alert and heard them coming. KSU stepped out of bed, winked at the sleeping wife like a complete stud in control of the situation, grabbed their biggest gun stashed in the night stand for this very situation, and confidently blew their own dick off.
Lesson: don't eff with us, tamperers.
-
She signed a NLI which is binding for one full academic year (two full time semesters). It's a contract binding you to an institution. She signed the contract, K-State paid for a year of her education and for her to play basketball. Completely reasonable for K-State to not release her. She signed the agreement, end of story.
But, apparently Jay Bilas and all these other dumb asses don't think there should be any accountability on the part of the student.
-
She signed a NLI which is binding for one full academic year (two full time semesters). It's a contract binding you to an institution. She signed the contract, K-State paid for a year of her education and for her to play basketball. Completely reasonable for K-State to not release her. She signed the agreement, end of story.
But, apparently Jay Bilas and all these other dumb asses don't think there should be any accountability on the part of the student.
You seem like you have a firm grasp on the issue.
-
she went to school for two semesters and played basketball :confused:
-
She signed a NLI which is binding for one full academic year (two full time semesters). It's a contract binding you to an institution. She signed the contract, K-State paid for a year of her education and for her to play basketball. Completely reasonable for K-State to not release her. She signed the agreement, end of story.
But, apparently Jay Bilas and all these other dumb asses don't think there should be any accountability on the part of the student.
Thanks for clearing that up, Kenny Lannou
-
She signed a NLI which is binding for one full academic year (two full time semesters). It's a contract binding you to an institution. She signed the contract, K-State paid for a year of her education and for her to play basketball. Completely reasonable for K-State to not release her. She signed the agreement, end of story.
But, apparently Jay Bilas and all these other dumb asses don't think there should be any accountability on the part of the student.
Thanks for clearing that up, Kenny Lannou
we call him N4 here
-
She signed a NLI which is binding for one full academic year (two full time semesters). It's a contract binding you to an institution. She signed the contract, K-State paid for a year of her education and for her to play basketball. Completely reasonable for K-State to not release her. She signed the agreement, end of story.
But, apparently Jay Bilas and all these other dumb asses don't think there should be any accountability on the part of the student.
Wait, did you post this because you don't know the academic year goes from August-early May? Did you think she was going to leave last week or something? Bad look for Arch E majors and grads, yikes.
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
-
some tampering cat burgler was sneaking into the KSU house but KSU was on red alert and heard them coming. KSU stepped out of bed, winked at the sleeping wife like a complete stud in control of the situation, grabbed their biggest gun stashed in the night stand for this very situation, and confidently blew their own dick off.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F410revolver.com%2Fshop%2Fimage%2Fcache%2Fdata%2FTaurus%2520Judge%2520baseball%2520jersey-500x500.jpg&hash=b8222e6a6ebb9064b8de18d5a7884f65d492750d)
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
Stuff got lost in translation. Once we got a competent translator on board instead of the dumbfuck she brought from Spain or wherever, it was all clear and of course we released her.
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
Stuff got lost in translation. Once we got a competent translator on board instead of the dumbfuck she brought from Spain or wherever, it was all clear and of course we released her.
"Chantaje?" We thought she was saying "chascarrillo"! Lol, sorry!
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
No. But really for 99.9% of the people reading these stories their concern/fury/condemnation ends about 47 seconds after they've read what has happened. My chief concern as far as our PR goes is that we made public that we have a policy of not granting releases and that can be used against us. Contrary to what some may say on here it is incredibly rare for a school to make public that they have a policy of not granting releases. It was a colossal blunder that can only be fixed by publicly announcing a change in policy. It is astounding that the policy wasn't stated that releases will be granted on a case by case basis.
For the few people that actually care about Leti if/when she gets released people like me will say good for Leti but K-State still screwed up. If she gets released it won't get anywhere near the publicity that this has, zero chance that her release will garner a follow up on Slate.
-
I feel like Debs overt sociopathy and manipulative nature has been ignored in this whole discussion. If the AD mumped up anywhere, it's not in the reactionary posture it's taken with Leti (again, wgaf), it's not firing Deb years ago, or, more appealing to me, exposing her for the sub-human she is in this whole mess.
-
When did Dax become such a conformist lemming for the K-State athletic department? From "disassociated" to "knee jerk apologist." Sad, really.
I see all your stuff over on the phog Beems. You're the very definition of a ku propagandist. You're a walking, talking, typing ku glossy brochure who touts the ku party line at every possible opportunity . . . with thousands of posts on a K-State bulletin board no less. You're the last effing person to start referencing anybody else as an apologist.
MIR keeps talking about the team APR score, or individual academic accolades. All of which is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Individual student athletes make up the APR composite. Why should K-State potentially (Possibly, maybe) take an APR hit because one player wanted a transfer (possibly as part of a package deal) 12 minutes after the previous staff got fired? Reasonable question.
Why should K-State just immediately acquiesce to the transfer demands of a current player who may have been part of a tampering situation? Yet another reasonable question.
This has nothing to do with APR!!! :shakesfist: :bang:
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
No. But really for 99.9% of the people reading these stories their concern/fury/condemnation ends about 47 seconds after they've read what has happened. My chief concern as far as our PR goes is that we made public that we have a policy of not granting releases and that can be used against us. Contrary to what some may say on here it is incredibly rare for a school to make public that they have a policy of not granting releases. It was a colossal blunder that can only be fixed by publicly announcing a change in policy. It is astounding that the policy wasn't stated that releases will be granted on a case by case basis.
For the few people that actually care about Leti if/when she gets released people like me will say good for Leti but K-State still screwed up. If she gets released it won't get anywhere near the publicity that this has, zero chance that her release will garner a follow up on Slate.
Jay will say that he got her the release and that he is a super stud student athlete advocate! And all athletes will look at him like :love:
-
I feel like Debs overt sociopathy and manipulative nature has been ignored in this whole discussion. If the AD mumped up anywhere, it's not in the reactionary posture it's taken with Leti (again, wgaf), it's not firing Deb years ago, or, more appealing to me, exposing her for the sub-human she is in this whole mess.
Agreed, but Currie was too busy taking care of "the sports that matter"
-
One thing that the slate article brings up is an important element of the student athlete experience. You have contractual situations, as ArchE_Cat described, that have certain obligations associated with them. There are exemptions, but to fully realize those aspects requires someone with some degree of specialization. One half of the contract (Atheletic dept.) has salary employees to meet those demands however the other is contractually obligated to not have the means to have matching representation.
I think, that the NCAA either needs to require member institutions to supply funding for some sort of player advocate service that could provide such counsel, or treat players more as at will-employees, capable of making their own decisions. I think the latter is a would be a better use of resources, but athletic departments that treat players like property might have trouble swallowing it.
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
No. But really for 99.9% of the people reading these stories their concern/fury/condemnation ends about 47 seconds after they've read what has happened. My chief concern as far as our PR goes is that we made public that we have a policy of not granting releases and that can be used against us. Contrary to what some may say on here it is incredibly rare for a school to make public that they have a policy of not granting releases. It was a colossal blunder that can only be fixed by publicly announcing a change in policy. It is astounding that the policy wasn't stated that releases will be granted on a case by case basis.
For the few people that actually care about Leti if/when she gets released people like me will say good for Leti but K-State still screwed up. If she gets released it won't get anywhere near the publicity that this has, zero chance that her release will garner a follow up on Slate.
Jay will say that he got her the release and that he is a super stud student athlete advocate! And all athletes will look at him like :love:
Jay is all about $.
-
MIR, or other High Crisis Manager Experts in residence, is there any BS story Currie could concoct at this time to put out after we release her that would ameliorate some of the damage :pray:? Put your selves in the imaginary position of trusted adviser/mentor Godfather style of JC.
No. But really for 99.9% of the people reading these stories their concern/fury/condemnation ends about 47 seconds after they've read what has happened. My chief concern as far as our PR goes is that we made public that we have a policy of not granting releases and that can be used against us. Contrary to what some may say on here it is incredibly rare for a school to make public that they have a policy of not granting releases. It was a colossal blunder that can only be fixed by publicly announcing a change in policy. It is astounding that the policy wasn't stated that releases will be granted on a case by case basis.
For the few people that actually care about Leti if/when she gets released people like me will say good for Leti but K-State still screwed up. If she gets released it won't get anywhere near the publicity that this has, zero chance that her release will garner a follow up on Slate.
Jay will say that he got her the release and that he is a super stud student athlete advocate! And all athletes will look at him like :love:
Jay is all about $.
i think if the last word in the story is "that we granted her a release" we shouldn't have any lingering problems with recruitment in other sports.
-
Watching the draft, the cb pierre desir from st louis was originally playing at washburn. Washburn refused to release Pierre because he wanted to transfer to be closer to home and his daughter. ESPN was saying something about working multiple jobs and some kind of sewer work (?) Just thought that is was interesting that this happens in lower divisions.
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
-
Watching the draft, the cb pierre desir from st louis was originally playing at washburn. Washburn refused to release Pierre because he wanted to transfer to be closer to home and his daughter. ESPN was saying something about working multiple jobs and some kind of sewer work (?) Just thought that is was interesting that this happens in lower divisions.
Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk
That offseason ravaged the WU football team's roster. They didn't want to release their all conference defensive back, when they were losing so many key players to graduation, dropping out and prison sentences. Also, Coach Schurig, the HC who recruited him, is still coaching at WU, so it's not a very comparable situation.
-
Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops 4h
Strongly recommend this story about Kansas State's shameful treatment of a women's basketball player. http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10893110/women-college-basketball-controversy-swirls-leticia-romero-denied-transfer-kansas-state-wildcats …
Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops 4h
John Currie is a very good AD. He needs to do the right thing and give Romero her release. Today. One of the worst rules in NCAA rule book.
-
Sounds like Deb and Shalee are going to Northern Colorado to join Ethridge's staff. Doubt Romero wants to play there.
-
Just block Northern Colorado and release her for Christ's sake.
-
Just block Northern Colorado and release her for Christ's sake.
that is what is going to happen by the end of next week.
-
Do we really give a crap if she goes to NORTHERN COLORADO? I mean really.
-
Do we really give a crap if she goes to NORTHERN COLORADO? I mean really.
Exactly I mean if she likes those coaches well enough to follow them there than so be it. They obviously didn't use her as leveridge to land those jobs.
-
Wonder why they are ending up a Northern Colorado. :fatty:
-
So how hard are we going to melt down when Currie fucks up Sams transfer? I say pretty hard.
-
So how hard are we going to melt down when Currie fucks up Sams transfer? I say pretty hard.
I heard he was given a transfer already allowing him to play right away. :dunno:
-
So how hard are we going to melt down when Currie fucks up Sams transfer? I say pretty hard.
I heard he was given a transfer already allowing him to play right away. :dunno:
according to his mom he hasn't be granted a release yet. Just asked for one.
edited: now he has been released to play in FCS...
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
If he didn't need a release to go to FCS then 1. why did we give him one? and 2. why did we say he couldn't go to Stephen F. Austin?
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
why did we say he couldn't go to Stephen F. Austin?
Because we play them.
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
If he didn't need a release to go to FCS then 1. why did we give him one? and 2. why did we say he couldn't go to Stephen F. Austin?
boom ba da be boom da boom be bop!
-
Did the circus break down here and the clowns decided to live in the thread? Because what I am saying is that there are a lot of clowns posting lately.
-
Did the circus break down here and the clowns decided to live in the thread? Because what I am saying is that there are a lot of clowns posting lately.
did you like your GoT character? i thought it was pretty good.
-
Did the circus break down here and the clowns decided to live in the thread? Because what I am saying is that there are a lot of clowns posting lately.
did you like your GoT character? i thought it was pretty good.
I do like Ciaran Hinds, but I see myself as more of a Oberyn...
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
why did we say he couldn't go to Stephen F. Austin?
Because we play them.
But if his assumption was that he didn't need a release to go to FCS, if he didn't then we couldn't block him from going to SFA.
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
why did we say he couldn't go to Stephen F. Austin?
Because we play them.
But if his assumption was that he didn't need a release to go to FCS, if he didn't then we couldn't block him from going to SFA.
If I recall right you can't transfer to any team scheduled to play your previous team already. It is a conflict of interest.
-
he's not transferring within division 1, he doesn't need a release, but keep up the great work
If he didn't need a release to go to FCS then 1. why did we give him one? and 2. why did we say he couldn't go to Stephen F. Austin?
To answer my own question, he needs a release and written permission from our AD to talk to any NCAA school regardless if it is D1 or D2. So yes, he did need us to release him. (see the bottom of page 9, top of 10)
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2013.pdf
-
KSU women's basketball camp.
http://ksuhoops.com/women/index.php?hq_e=el&hq_m=681419&hq_l=2&hq_v=8249234d1c (http://ksuhoops.com/women/index.php?hq_e=el&hq_m=681419&hq_l=2&hq_v=8249234d1c)
Once you enroll, you will NOT be permitted to withdraw!
-
Regional sports talk guy was just talking about how UNC B-ball's single year APR score dropped to 917 because 2 players left in bad academic standing. Yet, if I heard the guy correctly (I caught the tell end of the rant) over 90% (I believe he said before the 2 bad losses it was over 95% of the players left in good standing over a 4 year period) of the players over a 4 year period had left in good academic standing.
The single year APR of 917, brought the multi-year APR down 20 points from 959 in '11-'12 to 938 in '12-'13.
As an aside, given some of UNC's course work, I would think it would be pretty hard to leave in poor academic standing. But that's immaterial to the overall theme.
Just a couple of guys leaving in bad standing and UNC goes from breathing relatively easy, to having to sweat it out a little bit.
Of course some have already concluded that it's a fait accompli that a certain women's basketball player at K-State will continue to go to to class and leave in good academic standing and any concern about an APR hit should never be a consideration. Of course the same people have already jumped to a myriad of other conclusions.
For the record, I'm all for releasing the player with restrictions and doing it quickly. But the idea that some have (by implication) that K-State should essentially turn the athletic administrative offices into a turnstyle of transfers . . . take a number, wait in line, rubber stamp. Is idiotic.
-
Regional sports talk guy was just talking about how UNC B-ball's single year APR score dropped to 917 because 2 players left in bad academic standing. Yet, if I heard the guy correctly (I caught the tell end of the rant) over 90% (I believe he said before the 2 bad losses it was over 95% of the players left in good standing over a 4 year period) of the players over a 4 year period had left in good academic standing.
The single year APR of 917, brought the multi-year APR down 20 points from 959 in '11-'12 to 938 in '12-'13.
As an aside, given some of UNC's course work, I would think it would be pretty hard to leave in poor academic standing. But that's immaterial to the overall theme.
Just a couple of guys leaving in bad standing and UNC goes from breathing relatively easy, to having to sweat it out a little bit.
Of course some have already concluded that it's a fait accompli that a certain women's basketball player at K-State will continue to go to to class and leave in good academic standing and any concern about an APR hit should never be a consideration. Of course the same people have already jumped to a myriad of other conclusions.
For the record, I'm all for releasing the player with restrictions and doing it quickly. But the idea that some have (by implication) that K-State should essentially turn the athletic administrative offices into a turnstyle of transfers . . . take a number, wait in line, rubber stamp. Is idiotic.
That's all nice dax, it really is.
For the sake of context here, UNC basketball's APR wasn't in any great shakes before the two transfers who left in poor academic standing. K-State women's basketball. Certainly you know that those guys were talking about APR because the NCAA just released the APR scores. K-State as an institution is in great shape and K-State women's basketball is doing very well with an APR if 985. So we're dealing with a team with an already very high APR as opposed to the low one with UNC basketball & we're dealing with one player that is not an academic risk. So while the yarn spun by some local yokel radio guy in North Carolina is enlightening it is in no way shape or form relevant to the conversation about Leti.
BTW if this were about APR they could have cut her loose the second the semester ended.
And yes K-State should rubber stamp transfers, it's done at K-State and most schools fir the most part anyway. We have no problem taking transfers, even ones who weren't released so we shouldn't have a problem letting them go. It won't be an issue for too much longer anyway, it's going to get changed either voluntary or via lawsuit. The transfer rules are just more of the archaic rules that amateur athletes are held to that hasn't changed with the times. There is no way, in this era of a player's rights revolution, that schools are going to be able to only give one year scholarships but continue to have the right to restrict movement when that year expires. One of my biggest frustrations are short sighted morons like Bilas focus on paying players instead of the LoI system, it's a form of indentured servitude and it must be stopped.
-
That's a really great reply MIR, I mean do you even think about what you say, or do you just save your responses over the years in MS Word and then cut and paste various parts?
UNC basketball was "no great shakes" well, hmm, just 3 scoring periods ago, UNC hoops APR 4 year running average was 989. Three or four bad apples over a 3 or 4 year period and now they've gone from basically cruising through the APR process to being on the hotseat. Their 2009-2010 score of 961 falls off the running average next year and now they have no margin for error.
No one with a brain running an athletic department and up against these types of running average measurement methodologies sits back and thinks they're in good shape into perpetuity because of what happened in the past.
That's a great soapbox on the LOI an indentured servitude and all that. It's the same spiel we hear in nearly every quarter about college athletics. But that's still no reason why any school should treat the transfer process as a rubber stamp.
-
That's a really great reply MIR, I mean do you even think about what you say, or do you just save your responses over the years in MS Word and then cut and paste various parts?
This is fantastic.
-
That's a really great reply MIR, I mean do you even think about what you say, or do you just save your responses over the years in MS Word and then cut and paste various parts?
This is fantastic.
I thought the same thing.
Thanks :love:
-
That's a really great reply MIR, I mean do you even think about what you say, or do you just save your responses over the years in MS Word and then cut and paste various parts?
UNC basketball was "no great shakes" well, hmm, just 3 scoring periods ago, UNC hoops APR 4 year running average was 989. Three or four bad apples over a 3 or 4 year period and now they've gone from basically cruising through the APR process to being on the hotseat. Their 2009-2010 score of 961 falls off the running average next year and now they have no margin for error.
No one with a brain running an athletic department and up against these types of running average measurement methodologies sits back and thinks they're in good shape into perpetuity because of what happened in the past.
That's a great soapbox on the LOI an indentured servitude and all that. It's the same spiel we hear in nearly every quarter about college athletics. But that's still no reason why any school should treat the transfer process as a rubber stamp.
Again, neither of these things are a factor for K-State in this instance. If these were the reasons K-State's blocking Leti, which they're clearly not I'm confused as to why you are continuing this farcical hypothetical as if it's fact, then they should use the same reasoning to block literally every single transfer until the end of time. "Nope sorry you can't transfer from here because in two years some other golfers may come around and have trouble going to class. We realize you go to class and won't personally have a negative effect on our APR but we have to protect ourselves from the possibility of other people being poor students later on down the line."
-
So, are we actually going to not release Leti? Even though all that the tampering got those gals was enough leverage to land jobs at Northern crap State University? Seriously? We're this petty? I've felt pretty neutral through this whole process, and still think Leti should probably just go play for another good basketball coach somewhere else instead of following this cluster eff around, but still...let her go play at a shitty school. Who the eff cares?
-
That's a really great reply MIR, I mean do you even think about what you say, or do you just save your responses over the years in MS Word and then cut and paste various parts?
UNC basketball was "no great shakes" well, hmm, just 3 scoring periods ago, UNC hoops APR 4 year running average was 989. Three or four bad apples over a 3 or 4 year period and now they've gone from basically cruising through the APR process to being on the hotseat. Their 2009-2010 score of 961 falls off the running average next year and now they have no margin for error.
No one with a brain running an athletic department and up against these types of running average measurement methodologies sits back and thinks they're in good shape into perpetuity because of what happened in the past.
That's a great soapbox on the LOI an indentured servitude and all that. It's the same spiel we hear in nearly every quarter about college athletics. But that's still no reason why any school should treat the transfer process as a rubber stamp.
Again, neither of these things are a factor for K-State in this instance. If these were the reasons K-State's blocking Leti, which they're clearly not I'm confused as to why you are continuing this farcical hypothetical as if it's fact, then they should use the same reasoning to block literally every single transfer until the end of time. "Nope sorry you can't transfer from here because in two years some other golfers may come around and have trouble going to class. We realize you go to class and won't personally have a negative effect on our APR but we have to protect ourselves from the possibility of other people being poor students later on down the line."
If there's anyone that's dealing in hypotheticals and speculation it is you.
I've marked my discussion with a myriad of caveats. What I am attacking is this idiocy that K-State or any other school should have a rubber stamp transfer policy. I brought up several specific examples of why rubber stamp transfers should never be a policy, one of them being APR. You tried to pooh-pooh away any consideration of APR impact with Captain Obvious points, and it doesn't take much to figure out that just a couple of player bailing in basketball and APR can be impacted significantly.
I've already clearly stated that Leti should be allowed to transfer with restrictions. There are rumors about that she does want to go to Northern Colorado, and that's great, but K-State should never have a rubber stamp transfer policy for any player who wants to leave with former coaches who were terminated (and rightfully so) for performance. See, that's another specific example of why there should never be a rubber stamp transfer policy. To allow outgoing staffs to have open season (if that indeed is the case and there are strong indications that is the case) on current players would be the stupidest of policies/procedures, particularly when the transfer request is made (supposedly) before the ink is dry on the last paychecks for the former staff.
-
So, are we actually going to not release Leti? Even though all that the tampering got those gals was enough leverage to land jobs at Northern crap State University? Seriously? We're this petty? I've felt pretty neutral through this whole process, and still think Leti should probably just go play for another good basketball coach somewhere else instead of following this cluster eff around, but still...let her go play at a shitty school. Who the eff cares?
Yeah, at this point its time to live and Leti live.
-
I would tend to agree, if Leti wants to follow that model of mediocrity, that perpetual state of inherent weirdness around. Let her.
I still it's bad policy to not at least tap the brakes on any transfer request that centers around current players following former staff.
-
I wouldn't even put restrictions on her release now. If she wants to be a Lady Miner, good luck to her.
-
I wouldn't even put restrictions on her release now. If she wants to be a Lady Miner, good luck to her.
but then every coach will recruit all of our players and we will have none left to play next year.
-
Restrict her from UNC, then get rid of her.
-
He's certainly got the @'n down.
Jay Bilas
?@JayBilas
Ben Cohen on KSU's mistreatment of Leticia Romero: http://on.wsj.com/1vvlVPn @John_Currie and @kstate_pres lack credibility on athlete welfare.
8:43 PM - 19 May 2014
-
great investigative journalism. finally the 100 schools that were tampering with romero are out in the open.
-
Jay Bilas
?@JayBilas
Ben Cohen on KSU's mistreatment of Leticia Romero: http://on.wsj.com/1vvlVPn @John_Currie and @kstate_pres lack credibility on athlete welfare.
8:43 PM - 19 May 2014
So, she has a conditional realease now. Did the WSJ beat the local outlets to this news?
-
So, she has a conditional realease now.
congratulations, leticia, you now can go anywhere you don't want to go.
-
"I have no idea," she said. "That's the thing that's frustrating me most."
what an idiot, if true
-
"I have no idea," she said. "That's the thing that's frustrating me most."
what an idiot, if true
She should absolutely be let go.
But I agree, I find it hard to believe she has "no idea" why her transfer was blocked.
-
the fact that the administration bumbled this from the outset is not in question. and neither is her bullshit.
-
neither is her bullshit.
pissclams, shut the eff up.
-
neither is her bullshit.
pissclams, shut the eff up.
she's full of crap, you shouldn't support her behavior
-
she's full of crap, you shouldn't support her behavior
pissclams, shut the eff up.
-
Anyone who conducts their personal business in public deserves to be ridiculed.
-
Anyone who conducts their personal business in public deserves to be ridiculed.
it's the only leverage she thinks she has. she's probably right.
-
All I know is that she's whipping KState's ass by doing so. I just wish she'd stop or KState would try to whip ass back.
-
she's full of crap, you shouldn't support her behavior
pissclams, shut the eff up.
suck my balls you rough ridin' downgrade.
-
I remember reading several days ago that she was uncomfortable at KSU because her "support group" (former staff) was gone. Yet, she gives KSU a list of almost 100 schools she'd like to contact?? Must be a lot of support groups out there she's possibly comfortable with. :dunno:
-
I remember reading several days ago that she was uncomfortable at KSU because her "support group" (former staff) was gone. Yet, she gives KSU a list of almost 100 schools she'd like to contact?? Must be a lot of support groups out there she's possibly comfortable with. :dunno:
she's just a dumb innocent non-complicit college kid, give her a pass please thank you iyam
-
am i to understand that you rough ridin' morons are now attacking her for considering too many universities?
-
suck my balls you rough ridin' downgrade.
stick to joke threads.
-
Anyone who conducts their personal business in public deserves to be ridiculed.
it's the only leverage she thinks she has. she's probably right.
Yeah, I guess both of those could be contemptible.
-
I remember reading several days ago that she was uncomfortable at KSU because her "support group" (former staff) was gone. Yet, she gives KSU a list of almost 100 schools she'd like to contact?? Must be a lot of support groups out there she's possibly comfortable with. :dunno:
she's just a dumb innocent non-complicit college kid, give her a pass please thank you iyam
A pass for what?
a pass for naming a hundred schools she'd prefer to attend rather than kstate. she knows what she's doing, sly little vixen, and so do you. slut.
-
suck my balls you rough ridin' downgrade.
stick to joke threads.
sure thing all-star. you're nothing but a self important dumbass.
-
I remember reading several days ago that she was uncomfortable at KSU because her "support group" (former staff) was gone. Yet, she gives KSU a list of almost 100 schools she'd like to contact?? Must be a lot of support groups out there she's possibly comfortable with. :dunno:
she's just a dumb innocent non-complicit college kid, give her a pass please thank you iyam
A pass for what?
you know this crap goes two ways, right? the AD didn't just decide on a whim to block her release. she's put herself in this position.
no one outside of the AD agrees that the AD is correct in their actions but for her to continue to throw our university under the bus in the media while not accepting any responsibility is garbage. i give zero shits what happens to her at this point.
-
you know this crap goes two ways, right? the AD didn't just decide on a whim to block her release. she's put herself in this position.
no one outside of the AD agrees that the AD is correct in their actions but for her to continue to throw our university under the bus in the media while not accepting any responsibility is garbage. i give zero shits what happens to her at this point.
:lol: stone the whore.
-
the fact that the administration bumbled this from the outset is not in question. and neither is her bullshit.
That take conveniently fits well with what your agenda has been from the start. Surprising that you would choose to make character judgments when none of us know the details of this story. I'm interested as to why you feel the need to have such strong opinions of her character. I haven't seen too many people advocating for Leti calling Currie and Schulz liars.
-
I remember reading several days ago that she was uncomfortable at KSU because her "support group" (former staff) was gone. Yet, she gives KSU a list of almost 100 schools she'd like to contact?? Must be a lot of support groups out there she's possibly comfortable with. :dunno:
How many of those other 100 schools fired the people who brought her halfway across the country? She can make new connections at those 100 schools, none of them employ John Currie or Jeff Mittie, it really isn't hard to understand if you want to :dunno:
-
the fact that the administration bumbled this from the outset is not in question. and neither is her bullshit.
That take conveniently fits well with what your agenda has been from the start. Surprising that you would choose to make character judgments when none of us know the details of this story. I'm interested as to why you feel the need to have such strong opinions of her character. I haven't seen too many people advocating for Leti calling Currie and Schulz liars.
chill out, i have no agenda. and for you to bring up the fact that i'm making judgements without knowing the details is hypocritical beyond belief.
there is no logical reason for currie and schulz to do what they did without reason, is there? do you think they enjoy our university taking the PR hit it has? you think they did this because they were bored? no. they have nothing to gain here and a lot to lose, but in their mind they're doing what's right. i don't agree with them but can understand their position. leti? she has everything to gain by lying and playing the village idiot.
-
"We don't have the same rights as the coaches," Romero said in an interview Monday. "It's not fair.""We don't have the same rights as the coaches," Romero said in an interview Monday. "It's not fair."
How could anyone disagree with this? This sentence should be the focus of this issue, everything else is white noise.
-
How good does Angel look in all this for how he handled the same situation?
-
the fact that the administration bumbled this from the outset is not in question. and neither is her bullshit.
That take conveniently fits well with what your agenda has been from the start. Surprising that you would choose to make character judgments when none of us know the details of this story. I'm interested as to why you feel the need to have such strong opinions of her character. I haven't seen too many people advocating for Leti calling Currie and Schulz liars.
chill out, i have no agenda. and for you to bring up the fact that i'm making judgements without knowing the details is hypocritical beyond belief.
there is no logical reason for currie and schulz to do what they did without reason, is there? do you think they enjoy our university taking the PR hit it has? you think they did this because they were bored? no. they have nothing to gain here and a lot to lose, but in their mind they're doing what's right. i don't agree with them but can understand their position. leti? she has everything to gain by lying and playing the village idiot.
Chill out? Is making an observation and asking you a question considered wild behavior now?
How is what I posted "hypocritical beyond belief?" Have I called Currie or Schulz liars? I have no idea what their motivation is nor do I care, my focus has been on Leti and on the embarrassment to our school. If I have called either of those guys liars, I'll gladly apologize but I'm pretty sure I haven't. I'm also unclear how she has everything to gain by playing the village idiot, it's clear that these guys have dug their heels in and they are going to do whatever they want despite public sentiment, this has been going on for almost 2 months.
-
what's my agenda, MiR?
-
hypocritical = making any type of judgment about the situation without knowing the facts
do you really believe that leti is being forthright when she claims that she doesn't know why they won't release her?
-
People are all pro Leti because they think she's being held down by the Man. Well, here's the real deal, man. Leti is the Man, too. She's rough ridin' privileged as hell. eff her. Oh, what? You can't both go to school for free and go wherever you want, whenever you want? Well, you better rough ridin' make a big public stink about it and portray youself as a victim. It will be easy because many already have an axe to grind with the NCAA and they'll be eager to take your side. Go ahead, Leti. You don't have enough going for you already. Take it all, you gluttonous pig.
-
Have to agree with 'clams. There must be much more to this situation than we know--why else would KSU remain steadfast in the face of what some people consider ruinous national media criticism? The Animal and Currie are not stupid.
-
the argument that romero is the villain because she's trying to make a choice that benefits her and damages no one while the kstate admin are victims because their decision not to allow romero to exercise free will damages everyone involved is a very strong one.
-
what's my agenda, MiR?
:dunno: why do you seem so unhinged, we're just talking here bub
do you really believe that leti is being forthright when she claims that she doesn't know why they won't release her?
I don't know or care, why should I? I have no idea what John Currie, Jeff Mittie, or Kirk Schulz have told her, it isn't likely that they haven't told her, but it certainly the impossibility that you seem so absolutely sure that it is, either way it doesn't have anything to do with her actually getting the release, which after all is the point of all of this.
I haven't posted anything that would insinuate that I give two shits about why she wants to transfer or why they won't let her. For like the billionth time the rights of the student athlete should be what the story is, the two quotes she has given to the media aren't relevant to me. Unless Leti is taking summer classes she is currently not under a scholarship agreement from Kansas State but they can dictate where she chooses to go, I'm unclear as to why anyone could consider this unfair.
-
People are all pro Leti because they think she's being held down by the Man. Well, here's the real deal, man. Leti is the Man, too. She's rough ridin' privileged as hell. eff her. Oh, what? You can't both go to school for free and go wherever you want, whenever you want? Well, you better rough ridin' make a big public stink about it and portray youself as a victim. It will be easy because many already have an axe to grind with the NCAA and they'll be eager to take your side. Go ahead, Leti. You don't have enough going for you already. Take it all, you gluttonous pig.
These work better when they are less frequent and obvious.
-
This isn't a black and white issue, MIR. It's multilayered.
-
I certainly don't think Leti is a villain, all I'm saying is that I don't believe she has no idea why she has not been allowed to transfer. And certainly Currie continues to look dumb for whatever reason he is taking this stance.
-
guys, I want K-State to win this. like, we are sitting on something that will make this person look like complete trash and K-State will be heros and everyone will have to apologize and say we are studs. I want us to somehow be the good guy (in the public eye). is there a scenario where this is possible?
-
I certainly don't think Leti is a villain, all I'm saying is that I don't believe she has no idea why she has not been allowed to transfer. And certainly Currie continues to look dumb for whatever reason he is taking this stance.
i don't think she's a villain either, only that she shares responsibility in this and yet fails to accept any while continuing to allow the perception to grow in the media that she's just an innocent victim of an unscrupulous athletic department. in doing so, she's harming our university. so eff her. this is not how you define leverage. i do not care about her, i care about kansas state.
special note for the slower members of our board- by saying this i'm not absolving our AD of their role in this, just pointing out that both parties had a hand at the table.
-
On Monday, Romero's attorney, Donald Jackson, contacted Kansas State president Kirk Schulz and urged him to reconsider the decision, writing that she wouldn't "accept anything less than a full release…that will allow her to transfer to the school of her choice."
2 things: Why won't she ask for a release to everywhere but UNC, and why doesn't the AD counter with possible conditions for a release?
-
Couple of notes:
1/ Of coarse her attorney is going to ask for a full release. Who wouldn't. Doesn't mean he will get one.
2/ How the eff does a college student afford an attorney? Luckily, I never got busted for stupid stuff while in college and never had to even think about one, but I could barely afford enough for beer money, let alone an attorney......I did always make sure I had $2 left in my wallet after Aggieville for the Burger King 2 am special: 2 burgers, 2 fries, for 2 bucks!! :Woot:
-
She's not an average college student. She's the Man.
-
2/ How the eff does a college student afford an attorney?
there was a long thread of idiots pondering this on gpc yesterday. really baffling stuff.
-
guys, I want K-State to win this. like, we are sitting on something that will make this person look like complete trash and K-State will be heros and everyone will have to apologize and say we are studs. I want us to somehow be the good guy (in the public eye). is there a scenario where this is possible?
no :curse:
-
2/ How the eff does a college student afford an attorney?
there was a long thread of idiots pondering this on gpc yesterday. really baffling stuff.
She can when she sues the crap out of KSU and wins... :kstategrad: :kstategrad:
-
2/ How the eff does a college student afford an attorney?
there was a long thread of idiots pondering this on gpc yesterday. really baffling stuff.
post the thread? or i could just guess...
jokes on pro bono and boning?
-
Anyone else wonder why this hasn't been ran up the legal flagpole yet? So far a lawyer has only asked for her full release... Wouldn't you think if there wasn't more to this story then wouldn't they look at it as an opportunity to fleece the University?
-
Anyone else wonder why this hasn't been ran up the legal flagpole yet? So far a lawyer has only asked for her full release... Wouldn't you think if there wasn't more to this story then wouldn't they look at it as an opportunity to fleece the University?
It all in an order of steps that need be done before you sue anyone. If K-State complies, then case is closed...CASE CLOSED.
-
No, she's got no case for damages against KSU.* The university is acting within the scope of NCAA rules and regulations. Not to mention, her case would get immediately dismissed for failure to exhaust her administrative remedies, since she hasn't yet pursued the route of appealing her release to the NCAA yet, at least according to anything I've seen. (Maybe she can't since she got a conditional release already -- I'm not sure.)
Her lawyer is a rube for talking to the press. Say "the matter is running it's course" to the public, and demand a full release in private.
*Although I say "no case," a good lawyer can always come up with something. And I might be underestimating how horrible KSU's legal team is (it totally embarrased itself with the Krause/Prince thing).
-
rationalization is a hell of a drug.
-
MANHATTAN — Kansas State athletic director John Currie is working to grant Leticia Romero a conditional release from her basketball scholarship, according to ESPN’s “Outside the Lines.”
Currie wrote to a Kansas State’s appeals committee, led by K-State Vice President of Student Life Pat Bosco, on May 5 asking it to reconsider its ruling to deny Romero a release from her athletic scholarship, according to the ESPN report.
In the letter, Currie wrote that he had concerns about tampering from K-State’s former women’s basketball coaching staff, but that new information had come to light in the transfer case. He also wrote: “I believe it is in this student-athlete’s best interest for the committee to reconvene to consider this new information and potentially approve her request for a conditional transfer release.”
Romero, from Las Palmas, Spain, was the Wildcats’ top women’s basketball player a year ago. As a freshman, she led the team in scoring (14.2 points), rebounds (5.8), assists (4.9) and minutes (32.6) last season as a freshman. She was chosen Big 12 Freshman of the Week four times.
But she asked for a release from her scholarship shortly after K-State fired the coach she signed with, Deb Patterson, and hired Jeff Mittie as her replacement. She decided her playing style wasn’t a good fit with her new coach. But her request was denied by K-State officials. She then appealed that ruling before a committee last month, and was once again denied.
Without a scholarship release, Romero can still enroll at another school, but she won’t be eligible for an athletic scholarship for a year.
Her fight to transfer has made national headlines. “Outside the Lines” will feature her during its 2 p.m. broadcast Wednesday. A preview of the story is online.
Romero told the program that she presented K-State with a list of approximately 100 schools when she initially asked for her transfer. K-State’s compliance office denied her release to all of them. She said K-State has since allowed programs not on her initial list of schools to contact her, but she only has interest in those 100 schools.
Earlier this month, it was announced that Patterson was hired as an assistant coach by new Northern Colorado coach Kamie Ethridge, a former K-State assistant. Ethridge’s staff also includes former Wildcat assistants Shalee Lehning, as associate head coach, and Kelly Moylan. Romero told “Outside the Lines” she won’t transfer to Northern Colorado.
Romero said she met with Currie after her appeal was denied. Romero told “Outside the Lines” that Currie said his hands were tied on the matter.
“What he said was, ‘I want you to be released,’ ” Romero told “Outside the Lines.” “ ‘Coach Mittie wants you to be released. The athletic department wants you to be released. But now this is not on my hands. It’s in the committee’s hands. I can’t do anything about it.’ ”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/05/21/3467286/report-currie-working-to-grant.html#storylink=cpy
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fm5.paperblog.com%2Fi%2F48%2F489486%2Fobama-to-throw-seniors-under-the-bus-L-qwBMkT.png&hash=ab136e6a9aeaec5ca54e61c9a488c38a1bdb9fa6)
-
well, take your time, committee.
-
new information had come to light = former coaching staff getting employment
-
i would be happy about this development, but i'm concerned that currie isn't telling the whole truth. he needs to accept responsibility for his role in this debacle. he's no virgin in white.
although, i don't care about john currie, i care about leticia romero.
-
:lol:
The one negative thing about Leti we can all agree on is that she declined to give gE exclusive interviews on all this in favor of talking with fledgling east coast basic cable station ESPN.
-
And I might be underestimating how horrible KSU's legal team is (it totally embarrased itself with the Krause/Prince thing).
#NeverForget
-
I'm so glad we brought all this negative pub on ourselves over a lady hoops player :flush:
-
Nice, K-State on OTL! :ksu:
-
I know many of you jump at any opportunity to make John Currie look bad, but a word of caution: using the word of Leti Romero to do so here is not going to end up being a good look.
remember when cc posted this?
-
Now I really wish Currie and I were going to nutPAK tonight.
-
fingers crossed that she finds a playing style that matches what she's looking for, #blessed
-
I know many of you jump at any opportunity to make John Currie look bad, but a word of caution: using the word of Leti Romero to do so here is not going to end up being a good look.
remember when cc posted this?
:lol: kstate.
-
How many high school recruits do you think we have chased away because of this situation?
Probably none. (except maybe women's bball but that sport doesn't matter)
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoLnG3WIIAEku-j.jpg)
-
lol
-
it's even worse than i thought :lol:
-
Woof.
-
looks like CC was right all along
-
welp
-
tap out noted, john :lol:
-
jay is about to rip us a new one
-
this is so embarrassing
-
he made fun of the "family" thing :embarrassed:
-
this is so embarrassing
I don't care if she averaged 60 points a game, it's wbb. Wgaf where she goes :dunno:
-
This is really ridiculous. Like "you couldn't make this up" ridiculous.
-
Oh and great job by the Mercury for getting "the letter".
-
I know many of you jump at any opportunity to make John Currie look bad, but a word of caution: using the word of Leti Romero to do so here is not going to end up being a good look.
remember when cc posted this?
:lol: kstate.
great bump :lol:
-
Currie trying to make Bosco the bad guy is the most :lol: thing yet.
-
HOW DID THE LETTER GET LEAKED TO THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER!? :surprised:
:lol:
-
With the curtain pulled back, Currie comes off looking paranoid and small-timey, but not necessarily evil. Maybe the best possible outcome at this point.
-
If this was sent two weeks ago. . .what's the hold up? :dunno:
-
signed with a purple sharpie
-
But I swear to god if Xavier Lopez ends up where Leti ends up we need to undo our undo of our block.
-
Does OTL viewership top 200K these days?
I am sure they're looking at K-State to move the needle.
Everybody's Super Bowl.
-
Does OTL viewership top 200K these days?
I am sure they're looking at K-State to move the needle.
Everybody's Super Bowl.
lol
-
Dear Dr. Bosco,
Does OTL viewership top 200K these days?
I am sure they're looking at K-State to move the needle.
Everybody's Super Bowl.
Signed,
sonofdaxjones
-
CASE CLOSED!!!
-
CASE CLOSED!!!
Do we have firm confirmation she is released? Does Leti know she is released if so? It would b embarrassing to learn she has been released since the 5th but just "didn't know".
-
Still feel bad for Angel.
-
Still feel bad for Angel.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg833%2F8513%2Fangelfu.png&hash=c39ac1e24fbd488777ed705a6da1d07222fecc1a)
-
Still feel bad for Angel.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.allcanes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2Fmiami-hurricanes-angel-rodriguez-the-u-jim-larranaga.jpg&hash=2edad3536e890ab91d57e4af1dc499a6be24d0e7)
"Estoy Bien"
-
Mittie believes that the current players no longer want to play with Leticia any more...did he seriously put that in the letter? So we're going to make sure the current team likes the player before we recruit them?
I wonder if Snyder keeps a flow chart of who-wants-to-play-with-whom in the football program..that would be impressive! No wonder he has to work all night.
-
I can tell you guys one thing for certain, that letter was written to Pat Bosco for his eyes only. John's infuriated that this private coorespondence was leaked. heads will roll. :curse:
-
omg. wrap this one in pleather, it's as kstate they come.
-
IT SAYS CONFIDENTIAL RIGHT ON THE TOP!
-
Maybe there's absolutely nothing wrong here save KSU having the worst intra-campus communications system ever.
-
But I swear to god if Xavier Lopez ends up where Leti ends up we need to undo our undo of our block.
obviously
-
IT SAYS CONFIDENTIAL RIGHT ON THE TOP!
It wouldn't have gotten leaked if it'd said "OMG IT'S SO SECRET" or something to that effect instead.
-
I can tell you guys one thing for certain, that letter was written to Pat Bosco for his eyes only. John's infuriated that this private coorespondence was leaked. heads will roll.
Maybe oscar did it?
:pray:
-
IT SAYS CONFIDENTIAL RIGHT ON THE TOP!
It wouldn't have gotten leaked if it'd said "OMG IT'S SO SECRET" or something to that effect instead.
he may as well have had "BCC: Jay Bilas" on the bottom of that mother rough rider
-
IT SAYS CONFIDENTIAL RIGHT ON THE TOP!
It wouldn't have gotten leaked if it'd said "OMG IT'S SO SECRET" or something to that effect instead.
he may as well have had "BCC: Jay Bilas" on the bottom of that mother rough rider
Nah, "BCC: @JayBilas."
-
Oh and great job by the Mercury for getting "the letter".
of all people, you'd think currie would be more careful about throwing his confidential papers into the trash.
-
:lol:
-
http://catalog.k-state.edu/search_advanced.php?cur_cat_oid=13&search_database=Search&search_db=Search&cpage=1&ecpage=1&ppage=1&spage=1&tpage=1&location=3&filter%5Bkeyword%5D=public+relations&filter%5Bexact_match%5D=1
:dunno:
-
Obviously 'shopped.
-
All we need now is a Dillard's receipt and the circle will be completed.
-
In between walking the training table with his portable electronic scale and making sure no one got anything beyond their allotment of spaghetti (BTW he thinks those new NCAA food rules are complete bull$hit and he will not abide) Jamie Vaughn took a break to help an old friend craft a letter.
-
Guys. I think that letter is totally legit.
-
If I get a dog I'm gonna name him Dog Bosco and he can come to Salina and hang out with Cat Bosco.
Go Cats.
-
:emawkid:
-
today is a day when i miss my gpc logon.
-
Tyler Dreiling ?@TylerDreiling 1h
It's funny that Bilas is being asked questions about transfers in general and all he wants to talk about is how awful #KState is.
Joshua Kinder ?@Joshua_Kinder 1h
@TylerDreiling Do you not think the way KState handled this entire thing is wrong?
Tyler Dreiling ?@TylerDreiling 1h
@Joshua_Kinder Not the entire thing. KSU doesn't have to share its evidence. Now, it needs to be taken care of, and Currie is trying to.
Grant Guggisberg ?@grantguggisberg 1h
@TylerDreiling @Joshua_Kinder KSU doesn't HAVE to do anything.But wouldn't sharing legitimate evidence help Currie's PR cause at this point?
Tyler Dreiling ?@TylerDreiling 1h
@grantguggisberg @Joshua_Kinder Yeah, and I wish they would.
Joshua Kinder ?@Joshua_Kinder 53m
@TylerDreiling I don't have the energy to debate someone who gulps the purple Kool-Aid as much as you, Tyler. KSU can do NO wrong, EVER. LOL
Tim Fitzgerald ?@LifeofFitz 50m
@Joshua_Kinder @TylerDreiling Hahahaha. Holy crap Kinder. Did you just criticize someone for being biased and one-sided? That's rich.
Joshua Kinder ?@Joshua_Kinder 49m
@TylerDreiling Totally not an attack. Just saying I can't debate ya. You believe what you believe. As do I. Not changing either's opinions.
:emawkid:
-
today is a day when i miss my gpc logon.
Sign up for gE platinum again.
-
Sign up for gE platinum again.
i'm probably still not ready.
-
:lol: but :frown:
-
What the eff just happened here? So, everyone told us that there was evidence of tampering, and that Deb/Shalee were shredding documents like they were at the Watergate Hotel and throwing laptops in Tuttle Creek and crap, and that K-State just needed to keep playing chicken and eventually the heat would get too hot for the other side and we would win. What actually happened, is John Currie finally got around to, you know, actually talking to Leti over two weeks ago now and Leti said that all of that tampering nonsense was bullshit, so John wrote a letter asking the big bad appeals board to reconsider...but nothing has been done about that request to this point, all the while we've been taking it on the chin for the last month? How the eff could we have been THAT bad at handling this situation? Kinda makes me want to believe the more sensational rumors that were thrown out there, because what actually happened is just too rough ridin' depressing.
-
I bet Leti started speaking Spanish to the person next to her during their meeting and Currie freaked out cause he was just certain they were talking bad about him.
-
What the eff just happened here? So, everyone told us that there was evidence of tampering, and that Deb/Shalee were shredding documents like they were at the Watergate Hotel and throwing laptops in Tuttle Creek and crap, and that K-State just needed to keep playing chicken and eventually the heat would get too hot for the other side and we would win. What actually happened, is John Currie finally got around to, you know, actually talking to Leti over two weeks ago now and Leti said that all of that tampering nonsense was bullshit, so John wrote a letter asking the big bad appeals board to reconsider...but nothing has been done about that request to this point, all the while we've been taking it on the chin for the last month? How the eff could we have been THAT bad at handling this situation? Kinda makes me want to believe the more sensational rumors that were thrown out there, because what actually happened is just too rough ridin' depressing.
You were blacked out during all the parts that make it make sense.
-
Hoping like hell that when I get around to reading gpc that there's stuff to the effect of "that mexican trying to smear our school." Maybe even an attempt to tie that to the letter being written on cinco de mayo.
-
What the eff just happened here? So, everyone told us that there was evidence of tampering, and that Deb/Shalee were shredding documents like they were at the Watergate Hotel and throwing laptops in Tuttle Creek and crap, and that K-State just needed to keep playing chicken and eventually the heat would get too hot for the other side and we would win. What actually happened, is John Currie finally got around to, you know, actually talking to Leti over two weeks ago now and Leti said that all of that tampering nonsense was bullshit, so John wrote a letter asking the big bad appeals board to reconsider...but nothing has been done about that request to this point, all the while we've been taking it on the chin for the last month? How the eff could we have been THAT bad at handling this situation? Kinda makes me want to believe the more sensational rumors that were thrown out there, because what actually happened is just too rough ridin' depressing.
You were blacked out during all the parts that make it make sense.
:drink:
-
Dear Dr. Bosco,
Does OTL viewership top 200K these days?
I am sure they're looking at K-State to move the needle.
Everybody's Super Bowl.
Signed,
sonofdaxjones
oh my god :lol: :lol:
-
i'm hoping that Xavier Lopez does end up where ever Leti does, and that KSU has proof that he was shopping her around. Leti gets her release, Xavier gets his girl, and KSU can release evidence to prove the tampering and prove that Leti lied. Everyone wins.
-
i'm hoping that Xavier Lopez does end up where ever Leti does, and that KSU has proof that he was shopping her around. Leti gets her release, Xavier gets his girl, and KSU can release evidence to prove the tampering and prove that Leti lied. Everyone wins.
Except WBB, it will forever be tarnished leading to down turns in game attendance and merchandise sales. It would be a sad day in Women's athletics.
-
This is a win win win eventual win for me. Idiots embarrassed, big mouths mushed, the K-State administration imploding, the student athlete looking fresh and clean, a school, any school, exposed for using a student like trash, it's all amazing. The only thing left is for K-State to cop to this clown show and give in to her list of 100.
Also, KSU didn't officially sit down with her until nearly a month after this all went down and when she had the meeting the athletic director played dumb and passed the buck to someone not meeting with Leti. Obvious liar that bitch is.
-
she didn't lie, she was just the only person in the world who didn't know why the AD denied her request.
agenda confirmed
-
MIR just attempted the worst victory lap in history.
Sad
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
APR should always be on the table for every transfer request discussion, particularly basketball transfers.
The letter is great vindication in the sense that numerous reasons for why transfer requests should never be a rubber stamp were confirmed.
Once the dust settled they should have gone ahead and granted the transfer, and frankly they should have a sense of humor and let UNC be on the list. If she wants to follow that clown car to Northern Colorado wish her Godspeed and have good laugh.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
MIR just attempted the worst victory lap in history.
Sad
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Your inability to even consider admitting that you might be wrong about the most obvious things when it is apparent detracts from the occasional insightful post you have. It's increasingly tougher to identify when your insight starts and your bullshit ends. We can all read, we can all see you were wrong your insistence to stick to your guns to prove the anti Currie too cool for schoolers as fools is a predictable but hilarious exercise.
-
she didn't lie, she was just the only person in the world who didn't know why the AD denied her request.
agenda confirmed
Well considering the AD spent a month not knowing exactly why he should have been blocking her in the first place then when it was time to meet with Leti he played the, it wasn't me card, her lack of understanding makes much more sense.
John Currie is smooth
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fb1%2FShaggy-wasn%2527t-me.jpg&hash=4d3fde5c27a034a406be943525c7ce7c25cf9964)
-
John Currie is smooth
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fb1%2FShaggy-wasn%2527t-me.jpg&hash=4d3fde5c27a034a406be943525c7ce7c25cf9964)
:lol:
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
The letter is great vindication
:lol:
-
I, for one, am very glad this all happened.
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hedging those bets is close enough for you, it's a big step.
The difference between our arguments all along was that my agenda had nothing to do with K-State, John Currie, or Leti Romero. You painted yourself into Currie's Corner to try to prove a stupid point, win some lose some.
-
I, for one, am very glad this all happened.
Wish I could say the same, John Currie and K-State's stupid transfer policy aren't taking enough hits on this, it's just generic K-State that is the bad guy. Currie won't get enough heat from donors to get that dumb policy off of the books. There's still hope that Bosco will publicly lash out, that'd be fun.
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hedging those bets is close enough for you, it's a big step.
The difference between our arguments all along was that my agenda had nothing to do with K-State, John Currie, or Leti Romero. You painted yourself into Currie's Corner to try to prove a stupid point, win some lose some.
LOL, it has everything to do with it. No one buys your faux outrage and your leg humping of the Bilas Doctrine.
Any athletic department that would grant a transfer at seemingly the drop of the hat in these type of situations is either trying to cover up for something or simply doesn't care about their fiduciary responsibility to protect the interests of the athletic department and university; first, foremost and always . . . and just so we're clear, since you seem to have trouble with this, that is not to say they should not go ahead and eventually grant the transfer once the situation is completely vetted.
Your constant co-mingling of several important factors in consideration for the allowance of a transfer and the discussion thereof (or at least the attempt to discuss them) with how K-State handled this particular situation only reinforces your agenda against Currie and the athletic department.
-
I've been wondering how long Pat was going to let John drag his name through this before he steps on his throat.
-
I've been wondering how long Pat was going to let John drag his name through this before he steps on his throat.
think he big bro'd currie and said "I'll write some letter and you just sign it and for the love of god please stop making us look like dumbasses"?
-
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 2m
Kansas State just sent out a release on Leticia Romero. The decision of an appeals committee to deny her release is final and binding.
sweet jesus
-
holy crap
-
omfg
-
:ksu:
-
Bosco!
-
goEMAW hero Pat Bosco has spoken.
-
What's going on here?
-
:popcorn:
-
So our best player is staying!? :Woot:
-
Bosco doesn't let anyone eff with K-State. Captain was right. So, what on Earth did she do?
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hedging those bets is close enough for you, it's a big step.
The difference between our arguments all along was that my agenda had nothing to do with K-State, John Currie, or Leti Romero. You painted yourself into Currie's Corner to try to prove a stupid point, win some lose some.
LOL, it has everything to do with it. No one buys your faux outrage and your leg humping of the Bilas Doctrine.
Any athletic department that would grant a transfer at seemingly the drop of the hat in these type of situations is either trying to cover up for something or simply doesn't care about their fiduciary responsibility to protect the interests of the athletic department and university; first, foremost and always . . . and just so we're clear, since you seem to have trouble with this, that is not to say they should not go ahead and eventually grant the transfer once the situation is completely vetted.
Your constant co-mingling of several important factors in consideration for the allowance of a transfer and the discussion thereof (or at least the attempt to discuss them) with how K-State handled this particular situation only reinforces your agenda against Currie and the athletic department.
Bilas Doctrine, that's what you're going with. I killed Bilas when he made that first tweet, he's a self serving douche that cares more about embarrassing the NCAA than he does advancing the rights of college students. Are you really that dumb that you don't understand that my view and Bilas' view of student rights are not similar at all?
As for the rest of your post we've established that you've hedged your bets you don't have to keep repeating the arguments you've conjured up tonight.
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hedging those bets is close enough for you, it's a big step.
The difference between our arguments all along was that my agenda had nothing to do with K-State, John Currie, or Leti Romero. You painted yourself into Currie's Corner to try to prove a stupid point, win some lose some.
LOL, it has everything to do with it. No one buys your faux outrage and your leg humping of the Bilas Doctrine.
Any athletic department that would grant a transfer at seemingly the drop of the hat in these type of situations is either trying to cover up for something or simply doesn't care about their fiduciary responsibility to protect the interests of the athletic department and university; first, foremost and always . . . and just so we're clear, since you seem to have trouble with this, that is not to say they should not go ahead and eventually grant the transfer once the situation is completely vetted.
Your constant co-mingling of several important factors in consideration for the allowance of a transfer and the discussion thereof (or at least the attempt to discuss them) with how K-State handled this particular situation only reinforces your agenda against Currie and the athletic department.
Bilas Doctrine, that's what you're going with. I killed Bilas when he made that first tweet, he's a self serving douche that cares more about embarrassing the NCAA than he does advancing the rights of college students. Are you really that dumb that you don't understand that my view and Bilas' view of student rights are not similar at all?
As for the rest of your post we've established that you've hedged your bets you don't have to keep repeating the arguments you've conjured up tonight.
Wasn't it you that said he was the "worst representative for pro-student athlete people" or something along those lines. The Bilas Doctrine thing is a weird thing to direct at you.
-
So our best player is staying!? :Woot:
LOL, no. If she loses the NCAA appeal, I don't think that's likely, they'll be willing to deflect their poor PR onto us. We're the perfect lackey to point to and say it's is not them.
She still has some schools that she can attend apparently they aren't high majors, North Colorado, or anyone on our schedule next year.
She's going to have an army of pro-bono attorneys too.
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hedging those bets is close enough for you, it's a big step.
The difference between our arguments all along was that my agenda had nothing to do with K-State, John Currie, or Leti Romero. You painted yourself into Currie's Corner to try to prove a stupid point, win some lose some.
LOL, it has everything to do with it. No one buys your faux outrage and your leg humping of the Bilas Doctrine.
Any athletic department that would grant a transfer at seemingly the drop of the hat in these type of situations is either trying to cover up for something or simply doesn't care about their fiduciary responsibility to protect the interests of the athletic department and university; first, foremost and always . . . and just so we're clear, since you seem to have trouble with this, that is not to say they should not go ahead and eventually grant the transfer once the situation is completely vetted.
Your constant co-mingling of several important factors in consideration for the allowance of a transfer and the discussion thereof (or at least the attempt to discuss them) with how K-State handled this particular situation only reinforces your agenda against Currie and the athletic department.
Bilas Doctrine, that's what you're going with. I killed Bilas when he made that first tweet, he's a self serving douche that cares more about embarrassing the NCAA than he does advancing the rights of college students. Are you really that dumb that you don't understand that my view and Bilas' view of student rights are not similar at all?
As for the rest of your post we've established that you've hedged your bets you don't have to keep repeating the arguments you've conjured up tonight.
Wasn't it you that said he was the "worst representative for pro-student athlete people" or something along those lines. The Bilas Doctrine thing is a weird thing to direct at you.
He wants to abolish the NCAA and pay football and men's basketball players, if either of those things happen it would change the face of college Olympic sports for the worse. Never mind abolishing the NCAA is against the wishes of the membership and paying athletes in revenue sports is in conflict with title ix. Pretty sure Bilas realizes this but that take won't get him RTs and on panel discussions on CNN.
-
Apparently you only read about half of what I post. Where have I said that Currie 100% in the right? Apparently you missed every caveat like the numerous "if this..." statements.
Clearly they had some concerns and those concerns are legitimate enough to at minimum cause the breaks to be tapped on any transfer request.
Any person who can't understand that transfers particularly in these types situations cannot be a rubber stamp is so blinded by their agenda they can't see the forest through the trees.
That point is further driven home by the fact that you continue to co mingle my points about the need to weigh each transfer request on its own merits and with athletic department impact in mind...with how K-State may have handled this situation shows that you are purely agenda driven.
Allowing things like the possibility of player shopping to occur without any consideration would be administrative malfeasance and outright dereliction of duty.
Anyone who can't see or understand that is, again, blinded by their own agenda.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hedging those bets is close enough for you, it's a big step.
The difference between our arguments all along was that my agenda had nothing to do with K-State, John Currie, or Leti Romero. You painted yourself into Currie's Corner to try to prove a stupid point, win some lose some.
LOL, it has everything to do with it. No one buys your faux outrage and your leg humping of the Bilas Doctrine.
Any athletic department that would grant a transfer at seemingly the drop of the hat in these type of situations is either trying to cover up for something or simply doesn't care about their fiduciary responsibility to protect the interests of the athletic department and university; first, foremost and always . . . and just so we're clear, since you seem to have trouble with this, that is not to say they should not go ahead and eventually grant the transfer once the situation is completely vetted.
Your constant co-mingling of several important factors in consideration for the allowance of a transfer and the discussion thereof (or at least the attempt to discuss them) with how K-State handled this particular situation only reinforces your agenda against Currie and the athletic department.
Bilas Doctrine, that's what you're going with. I killed Bilas when he made that first tweet, he's a self serving douche that cares more about embarrassing the NCAA than he does advancing the rights of college students. Are you really that dumb that you don't understand that my view and Bilas' view of student rights are not similar at all?
As for the rest of your post we've established that you've hedged your bets you don't have to keep repeating the arguments you've conjured up tonight.
My version of the Bilas Doctrine is open transfers for all no matter what the circumstances, once again you continue to co-mingle various issues, which makes it difficult to even discuss this stuff with you.
I've not hedged any bets, you're inability to separate your agenda from proper considerations in the transfer process are well noted.
-
At this point, she totally needs to go with the plan I suggested dozens of pages ago and sabotage the eff out of games next season.
-
At this point, she totally needs to go with the plan I suggested dozens of pages ago and sabotage the eff out of games next season.
So it would be like Deb Patterson never left then? Sounds fun.
-
At this point, she totally needs to go with the plan I suggested dozens of pages ago and sabotage the eff out of games next season.
So it would be like Deb Patterson never left then? Sounds fun.
Did Deb's team have players control the opening tip and then chuck the ball into the 26th row?
-
At this point, she totally needs to go with the plan I suggested dozens of pages ago and sabotage the eff out of games next season.
Would watch
-
I'm still trying to figure out why currie would put all of that in a letter to bosco.
-
I'm pretty ashamed to be associated with this university now u guys. JFC, it's women's bb :facepalm: . I don't even care about bruceketball let alone this
-
I'm pretty ashamed to be associated with this university now u guys. JFC, it's women's bb :facepalm: .
Enlightening
-
she can go anywhere she wants, just has to pay for it next year. i wouldn't go somewhere based upon the athletic scholarship restriction.
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
-
Maybe she'll stay in Spain and take EMAW online classes and Currie can really say we have a world-class student-athlete experience.
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
You believe that in real life, Pat Bosco or really anybody is denying the release against John Currie's wishes?
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
LOL, such a strange takeaway from all of this. That's our dax!
-
Is this because she will spill the beans about the Deb and Co. :tongue: and get all sports in trouble?
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
You believe that in real life, Pat Bosco or really anybody is denying the release against John Currie's wishes?
So, let met get this straight. On goEMAW; one minute Pat Bosco is the Godfather of all things K-State, the next minute he's just a puppet shill of the athletic director??
Make up your mind Agendites.
-
I wish George R.R. Martin would stop dragging his feet and fracking finish writing this saga already. Now he's just messing with us.
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
You believe that in real life, Pat Bosco or really anybody is denying the release against John Currie's wishes?
So, let met get this straight. On goEMAW; one minute Pat Bosco is the Godfather of all things K-State, the next minute he's just a puppet shill of the athletic director??
Make up your mind Agendites.
It's dumb whatever it is. More damage and attention has been done over this than even a national championship would bring. They better come out with something great or we are sitting here looking like idiots
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
Who the eff are you talking about? Your old crazy ass has to make up things to be outraged about, Currie has barely been mentioned by posters outside of you. The board primary falls into two categories on this issue.
Just let her go (this has the subsets of: transfer rules are terrible, it is unnecessary embarrassment to the school, and it's women's basketball lets move on)
and
You damn kids are picking on John Currie again, leave him alone
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lucywho.com%2Fp15561343%2Fchris-crocker-crying%2F&hash=e879c16239a56abb56dc9b7b6198b4ca0a7a91be)
Are you that bored with life that you have to invent enemies to argue with?
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
You believe that in real life, Pat Bosco or really anybody is denying the release against John Currie's wishes?
So, let met get this straight. On goEMAW; one minute Pat Bosco is the Godfather of all things K-State, the next minute he's just a puppet shill of the athletic director??
Make up your mind Agendites.
Well, I guess it'll get sorted out in discovery.
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 34m
In an e-mail to John Currie and Kirk Schulz, Leticia Romero's attorney has threatened legal action if K-State doesn't grant her a release.
:lol: Of course it won't come out in discovery. K-State will cave and give her a release and some attorney fees before it gets to that stage.
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
You believe that in real life, Pat Bosco or really anybody is denying the release against John Currie's wishes?
So, let met get this straight. On goEMAW; one minute Pat Bosco is the Godfather of all things K-State, the next minute he's just a puppet shill of the athletic director??
Make up your mind Agendites.
Well, I guess it'll get sorted out in discovery.
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 34m
In an e-mail to John Currie and Kirk Schulz, Leticia Romero's attorney has threatened legal action if K-State doesn't grant her a release.
:lol: Of course it won't come out in discovery. K-State will cave and give her a release and some attorney fees before it gets to that stage.
That attorney is an idiot for not sending that letter to granter of releases, Pat Bosco. Well maybe the attorney assumed that Currie will send it to Bosco via letter on K-State letterhead, signed with purple ink.
-
Well, I guess it'll get sorted out in discovery.
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 34m
In an e-mail to John Currie and Kirk Schulz, Leticia Romero's attorney has threatened legal action if K-State doesn't grant her a release.
:lol: Of course it won't come out in discovery. K-State will cave and give her a release and some attorney fees before it gets to that stage.
That attorney is an idiot for not sending that letter to granter of releases, Pat Bosco. Well maybe the attorney assumed that Currie will send it to Bosco via letter on K-State letterhead, signed with purple ink.
It'll get there eventually. Currie just needs to print the email and give it to the squirrel that handles campus mail.
-
Well it looks like the agenda oriented members of this board need to add the King of EMAW: Pat Bosco to their hate list.
I realize it may take some awhile to reconcile themselves to that reality, but counseling is available.
Who the eff are you talking about? Your old crazy ass has to make up things to be outraged about, Currie has barely been mentioned by posters outside of you. The board primary falls into two categories on this issue.
Just let her go (this has the subsets of: transfer rules are terrible, it is unnecessary embarrassment to the school, and it's women's basketball lets move on)
and
You damn kids are picking on John Currie again, leave him alone
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lucywho.com%2Fp15561343%2Fchris-crocker-crying%2F&hash=e879c16239a56abb56dc9b7b6198b4ca0a7a91be)
Are you that bored with life that you have to invent enemies to argue with?
LOL, you are so weird.
You can't even pretend to talk about this topic without Currie lingering in the background at all times, I mean seriously, you're just randomly typing in words, right?
Pat Bosco wasn't on the committee that made the binding decision?
Again, just weird.
-
From a legal standpoint, what obligation to Leticia has kstate breached here? Isnt Leticia the only person breaching an agreement?
I get the heart string point of view and outrage. I dont see the legal angle.
-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/StudentAthleteHandbook10-11.pdf
Page 12.
OK, let's say that against all logic, K-State administration believes that their own policy manual that they created and can amend anytime they want blocks them from correcting a mistake and that "Bosco's decision" on Leti's appeal from a month ago is final and can't be altered.
How in the world can this be fixed?
Oh yeah, Leti, ask for a release again. Currie will give it to you now, right?
-
At this point, she totally needs to go with the plan I suggested dozens of pages ago and sabotage the eff out of games next season.
So it would be like Deb Patterson never left then? Sounds fun.
Did Deb's team have players control the opening tip and then chuck the ball into the 26th row?
This was me in high school gym. Some guys laughed. Some said, "DUUUUUUUDE!" It was just awkward for everyone.
-
At this point, she totally needs to go with the plan I suggested dozens of pages ago and sabotage the eff out of games next season.
So it would be like Deb Patterson never left then? Sounds fun.
Did Deb's team have players control the opening tip and then chuck the ball into the 26th row?
This was me in high school gym. Some guys laughed. Some said, "DUUUUUUUDE!" It was just awkward for everyone.
:lol: I'd have laughed and DUUUUUUUUDE'd you.
-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/StudentAthleteHandbook10-11.pdf
Page 12.
OK, let's say that against all logic, K-State administration believes that their own policy manual that they created and can amend anytime they want blocks them from correcting a mistake and that "Bosco's decision" on Leti's appeal from a month ago is final and can't be altered.
How in the world can this be fixed?
Oh yeah, Leti, ask for a release again. Currie will give it to you now, right?
Is this supposed to answer my question? Because I don't see any obligation on kstate ' s part
-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/StudentAthleteHandbook10-11.pdf
Page 12.
OK, let's say that against all logic, K-State administration believes that their own policy manual that they created and can amend anytime they want blocks them from correcting a mistake and that "Bosco's decision" on Leti's appeal from a month ago is final and can't be altered.
How in the world can this be fixed?
Oh yeah, Leti, ask for a release again. Currie will give it to you now, right?
Is this supposed to answer my question? Because I don't see any obligation on kstate ' s part
No. It's not a thing here where nobody can post until another poster's question is answered.
-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/StudentAthleteHandbook10-11.pdf
Page 12.
OK, let's say that against all logic, K-State administration believes that their own policy manual that they created and can amend anytime they want blocks them from correcting a mistake and that "Bosco's decision" on Leti's appeal from a month ago is final and can't be altered.
How in the world can this be fixed?
Oh yeah, Leti, ask for a release again. Currie will give it to you now, right?
Is this supposed to answer my question? Because I don't see any obligation on kstate ' s part
No. It's not a thing here where nobody can post until another poster's question is answered.
lol
-
I'll vouch for Trim on this. I ask questions all of the time rarely do I get answers.
-
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA solid.
-
I know what this thread needs...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhateandanger.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2Fthe-credible-hulk-you-wont-like-me-when-im-angry-because-i-always-back-up-my-rage-with-facts-an-documented-sources.jpg%3Fw%3D472&hash=3ee234166afb2b9140265c7dd0a36b44fe8426d5)
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
-gives pat and the committee all the reasons he put in that letter as evidence of tampering. committee takes what they were given and confirms block of transfer.
-media loses crap. K-State looks like complete rough ridin' clowns.
-currie freaks the eff out. knows future SEC job circling the drain. OMGIAMSOSTUPID.jpg
-finally actually discusses situation with player and only because of public relations nightmare (why the eff wasn't this step 1?)
-writes letter to the media and cc's Pat Bosco on it. also the letter is addressed to pat bosco. obviously leaked it himself.
-john currie points finger at pat bosco and says as loudly as possible to anyone that will listen, "SEE, I'M NOT THE BAD GUY!"
-
i think this
-currie freaks the eff out. knows future SEC job circling the drain. OMGIAMSOSTUPID.jpg
is giving currie too much credit and doubt it happened
-
I think this is all you need.
-john is a paranoid freak.
And a lot of successful coaches/admins are this way. Bill is just as much a paranoid freak.
-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/StudentAthleteHandbook10-11.pdf
Page 12.
OK, let's say that against all logic, K-State administration believes that their own policy manual that they created and can amend anytime they want blocks them from correcting a mistake and that "Bosco's decision" on Leti's appeal from a month ago is final and can't be altered.
How in the world can this be fixed?
Oh yeah, Leti, ask for a release again. Currie will give it to you now, right?
Is this supposed to answer my question? Because I don't see any obligation on kstate ' s part
No. It's not a thing here where nobody can post until another poster's question is answered.
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/StudentAthleteHandbook10-11.pdf
Page 12.
OK, let's say that against all logic, K-State administration believes that their own policy manual that they created and can amend anytime they want blocks them from correcting a mistake and that "Bosco's decision" on Leti's appeal from a month ago is final and can't be altered.
How in the world can this be fixed?
Oh yeah, Leti, ask for a release again. Currie will give it to you now, right?
Is this supposed to answer my question? Because I don't see any obligation on kstate ' s part
No. It's not a thing here where nobody can post until another poster's question is answered.
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
Do you know what a term like "successful legal claim" means? (I don't need this question answered before anyone else can post, I know the answer.)
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arch.ksu.edu%2Frenovation%2Fcelebration%2F29.jpg&hash=aa410cc69e6800289cf52bebed276b4b7a64ea14)
Sit down . . . shut up.
-
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
You posted your stupid question while I was typing my post about how all Leticia needs to do is file a new transfer request that would be decided on by John Currie and John Currie only. I got the little pop-up that you'd posted, read it, lol'd, and went ahead with posting what I'd typed.
You can keep asking your dumb question, and maybe other people will talk to you about it and maybe they won't.
-
1) lol at kinder. that was great.
2) i love it when our lawyers get lawyery on people. the fact that it was fsd makes it even more amusing to me.
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
I don't think #2 is correct. I think he just wanted to try to get the best player to play at least a year for the new coach.
-
I'm trying to care about this story. I just can't. I want to, though.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs30.postimg.org%2Fbcqdz6oe9%2FPat_Bosco_Leti_Card.jpg&hash=fb18b3ed5ed78689e41a4430948496e5838d7b7e)
-
:lol:
-
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
You posted your stupid question while I was typing my post about how all Leticia needs to do is file a new transfer request that would be decided on by John Currie and John Currie only. I got the little pop-up that you'd posted, read it, lol'd, and went ahead with posting what I'd typed.
You can keep asking your dumb question, and maybe other people will talk to you about it and maybe they won't.
So, nobody ever implied Leti could sue kstate?
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
I don't think #2 is correct. I think he just wanted to try to get the best player to play at least a year for the new coach.
it worked with angel so why not roll the dice a second time. "request a release and we'll block it. play one year and you can do whatever you want."
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
enures. He thought you meant insures. I am pretty sure you knew what he meant, but maybe not. :dunno:
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
enures. He thought you meant insures. I am pretty sure you knew what he meant, but maybe not. :dunno:
Inure/enure probably too archaic for this blog.
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
I don't think #2 is correct. I think he just wanted to try to get the best player to play at least a year for the new coach.
it worked with angel so why not roll the dice a second time. "request a release and we'll block it. play one year and you can do whatever you want."
I guess that could be true about Angel but he had the option to go live with Shaky in Miami and redshirt at a JC like Dade but I don't know if the KSU not releasing him could keep him from getting a scholarship from the JC.
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
enures. He thought you meant insures. I am pretty sure you knew what he meant, but maybe not. :dunno:
Inure/enure probably too archaic for this blog.
well, obviously!
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
I don't think #2 is correct. I think he just wanted to try to get the best player to play at least a year for the new coach.
it worked with angel so why not roll the dice a second time. "request a release and we'll block it. play one year and you can do whatever you want."
I guess that could be true about Angel but he had the option to go live with Shaky in Miami and redshirt at a JC like Dade but I don't know if the KSU not releasing him could keep him from getting a scholarship from the JC.
a juco was going to give a scholarship to a guy that was going to redshirt for a year and then leave?
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
Your knowledge of "legal claims" = his knowledge of spelling
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
enures. He thought you meant insures. I am pretty sure you knew what he meant, but maybe not. :dunno:
:facepalm:
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
I don't think #2 is correct. I think he just wanted to try to get the best player to play at least a year for the new coach.
it worked with angel so why not roll the dice a second time. "request a release and we'll block it. play one year and you can do whatever you want."
I guess that could be true about Angel but he had the option to go live with Shaky in Miami and redshirt at a JC like Dade but I don't know if the KSU not releasing him could keep him from getting a scholarship from the JC.
a juco was going to give a scholarship to a guy that was going to redshirt for a year and then leave?
Just having Angel on campus is worth something.
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
enures. He thought you meant insures. I am pretty sure you knew what he meant, but maybe not. :dunno:
:facepalm:
I didn't make the connection. To your credit, I was kind of surprised that you didn't know what enures meant.
-
a juco was going to give a scholarship to a guy that was going to redshirt for a year and then leave?
Sometimes (like David Hoskins).
-
One that enures benefit to Leticia.
:D
This is like wacky and his spelling
Wut?
enures. He thought you meant insures. I am pretty sure you knew what he meant, but maybe not. :dunno:
:facepalm:
I didn't make the connection. To your credit, I was kind of surprised that you didn't know what enures meant.
He should have said "enures to the benefit of" but I knew what he was trying to say. doesn't make it a "legal claim" tho.
Leti got a lawyer because the school wasn't listening to her, was jumping to conclusions and otherwise strong arming a 19 year old. they were rushing processes and probably not following their own guidelines. It became a cause celeb and some sports lawyer from AL offered a free ride. Or this is what I imagine it to be. The only legal recourse she might have is some type of injunctive relief. She won't be suing KSU for damages, though she should even if she has no real case as they throw money at lawsuits like sd at soaking tubs.
-
Once again, the mods have made themselves look like complete fools.
If nobody is saying she should/could sue kstate, then that's my mistake. I thought it came up.
-
Once again, the mods have made themselves look like complete fools.
If nobody is saying she should/could sue kstate, then that's my mistake. I thought it came up.
it would enure to your benefit to avoid discussing things that are well over your head
-
a juco was going to give a scholarship to a guy that was going to redshirt for a year and then leave?
Sometimes (like David Hoskins).
I believe Cloud CC allowed Omari and Freddy to be on scholarship w/o playing. Obviously, the JC coach is expecting some favors back, like steering quality non qualifiers to them and Shakey is the kind of guy that can make a reshirt at a South Florida JC happen if Angel had wanted it.
I really think Angel stayed for the seniors as much as anything.
-
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
You posted your stupid question while I was typing my post about how all Leticia needs to do is file a new transfer request that would be decided on by John Currie and John Currie only. I got the little pop-up that you'd posted, read it, lol'd, and went ahead with posting what I'd typed.
You can keep asking your dumb question, and maybe other people will talk to you about it and maybe they won't.
So, nobody ever implied Leti could sue kstate?
Yeah, her attorney did, but I'm not one of the people who's going to talk about it with you.
-
so here's the timeline in my head and I haven't followed a lot of this as much as some so I could be off on the order of events:
-john fires coaches
-freaks out that they may be recruiting current players to leave with them. is a paranoid freak.
-blocks transfer
I don't think #2 is correct. I think he just wanted to try to get the best player to play at least a year for the new coach.
it worked with angel so why not roll the dice a second time. "request a release and we'll block it. play one year and you can do whatever you want."
Yep. About time this thread got back on track.
-
Once again, the mods have made themselves look like complete fools.
If nobody is saying she should/could sue kstate, then that's my mistake. I thought it came up.
it would enure to your benefit to avoid discussing things that are well over your head
Grammar ain't your thing, fool.
-
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
You posted your stupid question while I was typing my post about how all Leticia needs to do is file a new transfer request that would be decided on by John Currie and John Currie only. I got the little pop-up that you'd posted, read it, lol'd, and went ahead with posting what I'd typed.
You can keep asking your dumb question, and maybe other people will talk to you about it and maybe they won't.
So, nobody ever implied Leti could sue kstate?
Yeah, her attorney did, but I'm not one of the people who's going to talk about it with you.
Thanks for answering my "stupid" question, jerkoff.
-
Kansas State has asked The Mercury to take down a photo of a confidential letter concerning Leticia Romero from its website.
University attorney Pete Paukstelis on Thursday asked for the removal and destruction of the photo it obtained Wednesday showing a confidential communication from KSU athletic director John Currie to appeals committee leader and vice president of student life Pat Bosco.
In the letter, Currie asked Bosco to reconsider Romero’s denial for a release and for the committee to reconvene.
Paukstelis also requested the photo be removed from this reporter’s Twitter account, writing that K-State believes “this letter is a confidential student record subject to protection under the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act.”
The request went on to say, “We believe that this letter was obtained through criminal means, and have reported the incident to KSU Police.”
After consulting with The Mercury’s legal counsel, however, the newspaper decided not to remove the photo from its website, nor from the Twitter account, as the photo was obtained legally from Romero’s attorney, Donald Jackson of the Sports Group in Montgomery, Ala.
hmmm.
-
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
You posted your stupid question while I was typing my post about how all Leticia needs to do is file a new transfer request that would be decided on by John Currie and John Currie only. I got the little pop-up that you'd posted, read it, lol'd, and went ahead with posting what I'd typed.
You can keep asking your dumb question, and maybe other people will talk to you about it and maybe they won't.
So, nobody ever implied Leti could sue kstate?
Yeah, her attorney did, but I'm not one of the people who's going to talk about it with you.
Thanks for answering my "stupid" question, jerkoff.
he practices law as his profession. why would he answer your legal question for free?
-
ksu athletics and lawyers, i can't wait :popcorn:
-
too lazy to read. anyone feel like cliff noting this?
-
too lazy to read. anyone feel like cliff noting this?
they already did it for us
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoLnG3WIIAEku-j.jpg)
-
classic he said she said situation on our hands here folks.
-
Kansas State has asked The Mercury to take down a photo of a confidential letter concerning Leticia Romero from its website.
University attorney Pete Paukstelis on Thursday asked for the removal and destruction of the photo it obtained Wednesday showing a confidential communication from KSU athletic director John Currie to appeals committee leader and vice president of student life Pat Bosco.
In the letter, Currie asked Bosco to reconsider Romero’s denial for a release and for the committee to reconvene.
Paukstelis also requested the photo be removed from this reporter’s Twitter account, writing that K-State believes “this letter is a confidential student record subject to protection under the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act.”
The request went on to say, “We believe that this letter was obtained through criminal means, and have reported the incident to KSU Police.”
After consulting with The Mercury’s legal counsel, however, the newspaper decided not to remove the photo from its website, nor from the Twitter account, as the photo was obtained legally from Romero’s attorney, Donald Jackson of the Sports Group in Montgomery, Ala.
hmmm.
:lol:
This is the K-State that I love full well.
-
too lazy to read. anyone feel like cliff noting this?
they already did it for us
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoLnG3WIIAEku-j.jpg)
I hope this being on gE leads to Paul calling the cops on us.
-
too lazy to read. anyone feel like cliff noting this?
they already did it for us
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoLnG3WIIAEku-j.jpg)
I hope this being on gE leads to Paul calling the cops on us.
:users:
-
:users:
Don't worry. Obviously we obtained it legally from poonhound69.
-
you know you've reached unprecedented heights when the local KSU cops are being called. I mean even for KSTATEO this is almost too much.
-
wow
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F05%2Fkc-star-front-page.jpg&hash=23cc1c1c3b052b234b962038570d8cb300335e0f)
-
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2014/05/22/romero-case-enters-a-bizarre-yet-understandable-state.htm
-
Jackson questioned why Currie wrote the letter.
"This athletic director’s actions, this athletic department’s actions and now this university’s actions are unlike anything I have ever seen in college sports," Jackson said. "What they are attempting to do is deflect responsibility here from the athletic director and put it back on the committee. It’s not a committee decision. The finality of its decision is final only as it relates to a student-athlete’s ability to appeal it further. There is nothing to prevent this athletic director today from releasing her to transfer wherever she wants to go."
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/05/22/3469265/leticia-romero-will-continue-fight.html#storylink=cpy
Let's attorney reads gE.
-
Jackson questioned why Currie wrote the letter.
"This athletic director’s actions, this athletic department’s actions and now this university’s actions are unlike anything I have ever seen in college sports," Jackson said. "What they are attempting to do is deflect responsibility here from the athletic director and put it back on the committee. It’s not a committee decision. The finality of its decision is final only as it relates to a student-athlete’s ability to appeal it further. There is nothing to prevent this athletic director today from releasing her to transfer wherever she wants to go."
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/05/22/3469265/leticia-romero-will-continue-fight.html#storylink=cpy
Let's attorney reads gE.
WHAT WAS BIZZARE ABOUT IT? IT WAS A PRIVATE CONFIDENTIAL COORESPONDENCE MEANT FOR PAT BOSCO'S EYES ONLY!
-
K-State should do a restructuring where Currie is in charge of construction projects and somebody else is in charge of any contact with human beings.
-
K-State should do a restructuring where Currie is in charge of construction projects and somebody else is in charge of any contact with human beings.
I've thought that this would be a fantastic idea since the Frank exit/ Weber hire.
-
K-State should do a restructuring where Currie is in charge of construction projects and somebody else is in charge of any contact with human beings.
At some point (possibly in this thread) I suggested gE handle all personnel and public relations activities. We'd work free of charge of course (outside of expenses) and we can guarantee spectacular improvements over whoever is currently handling these things.
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
She'll get what she wants eventually, so feel free to lol anytime you want.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg841%2F4674%2Fd685w.jpg&hash=b23150da4f1fb1f6e9bb9428e4b4cefc5e7f630b)
-
:lol:
-
K-State should do a restructuring where Currie is in charge of construction projects and somebody else is in charge of any contact with human beings.
At some point (possibly in this thread) I suggested gE handle all personnel and public relations activities. We'd work free of charge of course (outside of expenses) and we can guarantee spectacular improvements over whoever is currently handling these things.
Even though some aspects of this might seem to fall under the construction projects department's realm, we should probably handle keeping documents private (letters, renderings) and the response to any leaks of the same.
-
K-State should do a restructuring where Currie is in charge of construction projects and somebody else is in charge of any contact with human beings.
At some point (possibly in this thread) I suggested gE handle all personnel and public relations activities. We'd work free of charge of course (outside of expenses) and we can guarantee spectacular improvements over whoever is currently handling these things.
Even though some aspects of this might seem to fall under the construction projects department's realm, we should probably handle keeping documents private (letters, renderings) and the response to any leaks of the same.
goEMAW.com, when we leak something you aren't certain we did it on purpose.
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
oh don't get too emotional about it tobias. this isn't nearly nearly the big deal everyone seems to be making it into. I'm flabbergasted over here. Flabbergasted!
-
That said trims idea to take away currie's human-to-human contact privileges was a great idea
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
oh don't get too emotional about it tobias. this isn't nearly nearly the big deal everyone seems to be making it into. I'm flabbergasted over here. Flabbergasted!
i don't think it's a big enough deal, tho. especially know that the pendulum has shifted more towards hilariously sad than just sad, i just can't get enough. i'm addicted.
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
oh don't get too emotional about it tobias. this isn't nearly nearly the big deal everyone seems to be making it into. I'm flabbergasted over here. Flabbergasted!
the gpc rallying cry, for the last 5 or so weeks, has been "Don't worry, in one week nobody will even remember this"
-
the way we handle things at k-state is so weird sometimes though
-
the way we handle things at k-state is so weird sometimes though
I think they interview for a chosen skillset but ignore defective skills in other areas. we seem to find people that excel at a narrow thing but suck complete ass at all the other things.
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
oh don't get too emotional about it tobias. this isn't nearly nearly the big deal everyone seems to be making it into. I'm flabbergasted over here. Flabbergasted!
the gpc rallying cry, for the last 5 or so weeks, has been "Don't worry, in one week nobody will even remember this"
I mean, I'm not trying to side with them. It just kinda happened. :frown:
-
it's too bad we're actually rough ridin' with someone's life, because the rest of the details are enough to make me lol by myself randomly throughout the day
oh don't get too emotional about it tobias. this isn't nearly nearly the big deal everyone seems to be making it into. I'm flabbergasted over here. Flabbergasted!
the gpc rallying cry, for the last 5 or so weeks, has been "Don't worry, in one week nobody will even remember this"
I mean, I'm not trying to side with them. It just kinda happened. :frown:
it was unrelated but just reminded me of it
-
the way we handle things at k-state is so weird sometimes though
I think they interview for a chosen skillset but ignore defective skills in other areas. we seem to find people that excel at a narrow thing but suck complete ass at all the other things.
K-State: well rounded individuals need not apply.
-
currie needs to hire a PR professional to be on his staff. it would be the best $150k/yr he's ever spent.
-
the way we handle things at k-state is so weird sometimes though
I think they interview for a chosen skillset but ignore defective skills in other areas. we seem to find people that excel at a narrow thing but suck complete ass at all the other things.
I honestly think it could get us in a lot of trouble sometime for something that people actually care about.
I think Currie pops adderalls and stays up all night staring at renderings and checking bylaws in scholarship agreements. :frown:
-
goEMAW.com, when we leak something you aren't certain we did it on purpose.
To be fair, I'm not 100% sure they leaked this letter on purpose to the media yesterday. But it was undoubtedly written to make a paper trail for the eventual KORA request and to blame-shift away from Currie, and it somehow got to Leti's attorney either from KSU directly to try to get him to back off, or because he was easily able to get stuff from her case file because her attorney.
So for KSU to be be genuinely incredulous that a media outlet (that's in contact w/that attorney) got it and think the media outlet Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall to get a photo of it, or even run publicly with that theory that they know is BS (and then call the cops on them) is rough ridin' crazy.
-
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
-
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-
currie needs to hire a PR professional to be on his staff. it would be the best $150k/yr he's ever spent.
I think this plan goes bad with the "currie needs to hire" part. Maybe retain gE to do the hiring of the PR pro?
-
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
:lol:
-
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
I've got some pictures if somebody wants to make a shop. Man, if 'meister gets to be Clooney, I want to be Pitt. Purplebear can be Don Cheadle.
-
goEMAW.com, when we leak something you aren't certain we did it on purpose.
To be fair, I'm not 100% sure they leaked this letter on purpose to the media yesterday. But it was undoubtedly written to make a paper trail for the eventual KORA request and to blame-shift away from Currie, and it somehow got to Leti's attorney either from KSU directly to try to get him to back off, or because he was easily able to get stuff from her case file because her attorney.
So for KSU to be be genuinely incredulous that a media outlet (that's in contact w/that attorney) got it and think the media outlet Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall to get a photo of it, or even run publicly with that theory that they know is BS (and then call the cops on them) is rough ridin' crazy.
If everybody at k-state would just calm the eff down we could probably handle this. But no, in classic ksu fashion lets "stick to our guns" and call 911 on our local newspaper and freak out and make everything look 10 times worse.
-
currie needs to hire a PR professional to be on his staff. it would be the best $150k/yr he's ever spent.
I think this plan goes bad with the "currie needs to hire" part. Maybe retain gE to the hiring of the PR pro?
a simple cost/benefit analysis would prove this business case to be a smart decision
-
I really enjoyed the part about destroying the photographs that are on the internet.
-
soon they'll be suing SMF
-
Hence the need for clarification. The mods here are just awful awful.
Someone thought Leticia would have a successful legal claim against the university, I've yet to see anyone articulate why
You posted your stupid question while I was typing my post about how all Leticia needs to do is file a new transfer request that would be decided on by John Currie and John Currie only. I got the little pop-up that you'd posted, read it, lol'd, and went ahead with posting what I'd typed.
You can keep asking your dumb question, and maybe other people will talk to you about it and maybe they won't.
So, nobody ever implied Leti could sue kstate?
Yeah, her attorney did, but I'm not one of the people who's going to talk about it with you.
Thanks for answering my "stupid" question, jerkoff.
he practices law as his profession. why would he answer your legal question for free?
I didn't ask him for legal advice, metalhead. I asked the board generally whether a legal claim had been made and, if so, on what theory. I still don't know the answer to that question and no longer care.
-
soon they'll be suing SMF
:thumbs:
-
I didn't ask him for legal advice, metalhead. I asked the board generally whether a legal claim had been made and, if so, on what theory. I still don't know the answer to that question and no longer care.
Maybe the pit is formatted differently than the sports boards. Over here, you have to read the stuff people post (sometimes including the links featured in the posts).
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27475.msg1121747#msg1121747
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27475.msg1122220#msg1122220
-
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
Coworkers are staring at me for :lol: too hard
-
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
I've got some pictures if somebody wants to make a shop. Man, if 'meister gets to be Clooney, I want to be Pitt. Purplebear can be Don Cheadle.
So when are we doing this?
-
I honestly don't care about this as much as I should, but i'm very entertained with how quickly @jaybilas tweets back. :popcorn: I don't think he knows i'm just :jokeboarding: here.
-
I didn't ask him for legal advice, metalhead. I asked the board generally whether a legal claim had been made and, if so, on what theory. I still don't know the answer to that question and no longer care.
Maybe the pit is formatted differently than the sports boards. Over here, you have to read the stuff people post (sometimes including the links featured in the posts).
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27475.msg1121747#msg1121747
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27475.msg1122220#msg1122220
Thanks for answering my "stupid" question again, jerkoff.
-
I miss the real sugar dick.
-
I miss the real sugar dick.
Now all we have is his bbs foreskin to remind us of what once was.
-
To be clear, I am saying that FSD is the shorn prepuce of the penis of the true Sugar D. I mean what use is it after it's been removed? Nobody wants it to begin with, but as as a stand alone? gtfooh. :Yuck:
-
the way we handle things at k-state is so weird sometimes though
I think they interview for a chosen skillset but ignore defective skills in other areas. we seem to find people that excel at a narrow thing but suck complete ass at all the other things.
I like to think of the candidates at KSU as that SNL character who is a brilliant business man but has the body of a baby and everyone ignores him being a baby because he is so good at business.
-
"But the reality of the situation is, if the decision of this committee is truly final, then how could they release her to contact a school today?"
“If they can release Leticia to contact Middle Tennessee today, then she can be released to every school on that list.”
- See more at: http://themercury.com/articles/middle-tennessee-state-given-permission-to-contact-romero#sthash.g4FMSSIT.dpuf
How many more moves will KSU make thinking it'll be the move that turns PR in their favor only to have anyone who's not a rough ridin' idiot point out the bullshit, before they just accept that they're taking an L here?
All Currie needs to do is say "Look, we got the details we needed. While my initial rejection of Leti's request was upheld by the appeal committee, and THAT ruling on my initial decision can't be modified, I'm happy to have considered and granted Leti's new transfer request, and I wish her the best of luck going forward."
-
is it possible that the AD is just trying to help gE enjoy combo fanning season a little more?
-
Joshua Kinder ?@Joshua_Kinder 2m
Just Learned #KState has retracted its contact release to Middle Tennessee State and Romero due to a clerical error. This is real.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTdNYRT6.gif&hash=464a4a6d6e41251555ca41f11f1d53e9f7bd607b)
-
omfg :lol: :lol:
-
is it possible that the AD is just trying to help gE enjoy combo fanning season a little more?
I am not enjoying this. Even if there are some :lol: moments, there are more :LoL: moments. Nothing to really enjoy.
-
Joshua Kinder ?@Joshua_Kinder 2m
Just Learned #KState has retracted its contact release to Middle Tennessee State and Romero due to a clerical error. This is real.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTdNYRT6.gif&hash=464a4a6d6e41251555ca41f11f1d53e9f7bd607b)
Clerical error? :facepalm:
-
This is beyond rough ridin' ridiculous. Someone's getting fired right? Just release the rough ridin' girl.
-
What a dumb thread. Who cares about any of this crap.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGtILNKU.jpg&hash=f18bc31b62ebb83784b63f2b747f31819ebd6b2a)
-
:lol:
-
:lol:
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGtILNKU.jpg&hash=f18bc31b62ebb83784b63f2b747f31819ebd6b2a)
JESUS CHRIST
-
:lol:
This is one of my biggest lol's in the history of goEMAW.com. WE ARE K-STATE!
-
I hope this never ends.
-
:
Ocean's 11'd into Anderson Hall
it's @EMAWmeister
We need a chuckles dancing Anderson Hall emoticon
-
omg
-
I hope this never ends.
There's no reason to think you'll be disappointed.
-
OTL is going to have to turn the truck around on I-70
-
To be clear, I am saying that FSD is the shorn prepuce of the penis of the true Sugar D. I mean what use is it after it's been removed? Nobody wants it to begin with, but as as a stand alone? gtfooh. :Yuck:
Nearly perfect description of John (Jim?) Gross.
-
cool papa kinder is all over this thing. sweet jesus.
-
:lol:
-
“I don’t understand what this athletic director and this university are doing to Leti. When this started she used the term ‘blackmail’ to describe it, and that’s what it is. She’s a young woman from another country, but I’m a 48-year-old attorney and I don’t know what else to call it but blackmail.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/2014-05-22/romero-k-state-remain-odds-transfer-issue
:sdeek:
-
He must not speak English good either.
-
Currie and Co. have put in about 10x the effort in this ordeal than they did in hiring a basketball coach
-
just want to make sure everyone caught my cool papa kinder nickname that i just gave him. that's what we're calling him from now on. just an fyi you guys. also, cpk is also acceptable.
-
:lol:
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
I saw it and saved it rick
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIHYNjbS.gif&hash=7ce7605cc26fc81a3a8e2c75c9b789652b248d59)
-
You mean Joshua RowdyBoyy Kinder?
-
I wonder if Josh has ever made love to Tami.
-
Say, let's all cyberbully Leti.
-
yo Wolfgang Puck - CPK THIS
-
Surely JFC has to be in his office laughing his ass off at reading this on gE.
You guys are awesome.
Hey John, really, if you can top what has happened so far, go for it. If not, release her.
-
Currie and Co. have put in about 10x the effort in this ordeal than they did in hiring a basketball coach
:thumbs:
-
This is beyond rough ridin' ridiculous. Someone's getting fired right? Just release the rough ridin' girl.
-
John "Beta Male" Currie.
-
cool papa kinder is all over this thing. sweet jesus.
go read his timeline of tweets and try not to laugh your ass off
-
More than just a clerical error? MTSU back in the game.
http://themercury.com/articles/k-state-retracts-permission-for-mtsu-to-contact-romero
wtf? Waiting for the explanation for this snafu.
-
This is beyond rough ridin' ridiculous. Someone's getting fired right? Just release the rough ridin' girl.
It's going to be super shitty to be the person that gets fired over this, because they will most likely have done nothing wrong, and John Currie will just sit at his desk developing new fund raising algorithms and praying that he never gets put in another mildly uncomfortable position with another fellow human being ever again.
-
Wow.
-
You'd think the compliance people would know that permission granted can't be retracted. :facepalm:
-
she'll never cleric again
-
Truth is stranger than fiction
-
FIRE ALL THE CLERICS. IF YOU SEE A CLERIC DO NOT APPROACH IT. CALL 1-800-CATS AND WE WILL SEND SOMEONE
-
“I just talked to Middle Tennessee,” Romero said in a text Thursday night. “They can contact me because they called the NCAA and the NCAA said once you give permission you can’t take it back.”
this bitch doesn't know how to play the game.
-
“I just talked to Middle Tennessee,” Romero said in a text Thursday night. “They can contact me because they called the NCAA and the NCAA said once you give permission you can’t take it back.”
this bitch doesn't know how to play the game.
she's lying
-
“I just talked to Middle Tennessee,” Romero said in a text Thursday night. “They can contact me because they called the NCAA and the NCAA said once you give permission you can’t take it back.”
this bitch doesn't know how to play the game.
obviously contacting the media to further her slut agenda
-
“I just talked to Middle Tennessee,” Romero said in a text Thursday night. “They can contact me because they called the NCAA and the NCAA said once you give permission you can’t take it back.”
this bitch doesn't know how to play the game.
she's lying
:lol:
-
lol
-
I know what this thread needs...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhateandanger.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2Fthe-credible-hulk-you-wont-like-me-when-im-angry-because-i-always-back-up-my-rage-with-facts-an-documented-sources.jpg%3Fw%3D472&hash=3ee234166afb2b9140265c7dd0a36b44fe8426d5)
:lol:
-
I mean, how hard is it just to say, "Hey, we were holding up the release, because we thought there was tampering going on. Now that we know that wasn't the case we're granting a full release to all schools not in the Big 12 or otherwise scheduled for competition with K-State in XX number of years." ???
-
No one is ever going to defy Pat Bosco. Nor should they.
-
Say, let's all cyberbully Leti.
I prefer to cyberbully Currie and the animal. I'm afraid Leti won't understand since she is a foreigner and a woman.
-
pffftttt
-
just want to make sure everyone caught my cool papa kinder nickname that i just gave him. that's what we're calling him from now on. just an fyi you guys. also, cpk is also acceptable.
mob forming to take down cool papa :frown:
"Meanwhile, Kinder is doing his job. He's not employed by the university to be a mouthpiece. Instead, his job is to report on K-State athletics--the good and the bad. He's certainly a bright spot for a painfully sub-par newspaper."
I would actually argue that this is NOT true. Kinder covers sports, which means he works in the entertainment industry. His job is therefore to entertain. The fact that he is choosing to try to entertain his audience (consisting almost entirely of K-State fans) by reporting negative information about K-State is a personal choice of his, rather than just him 'doing his job'.
If it's me, Kinder never gets another inside tip or exclusive story again. He'll still get his press credentials and can attend press conferences and whatnot, but the good stories would not be going his way ever again. That's like Entertainment Weekly trashing Tom Cruise with a bunch of negative stories, and then expecting the people that work for Cruise to continue feeding them inside info. It is just not going to happen.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
5/23 6:29 AM | IP: Logged
-
"Meanwhile, Kinder is doing his job. He's not employed by the university to be a mouthpiece. Instead, his job is to report on K-State athletics--the good and the bad. He's certainly a bright spot for a painfully sub-par newspaper."
I would actually argue that this is NOT true. Kinder covers sports, which means he works in the entertainment industry. His job is therefore to entertain. The fact that he is choosing to try to entertain his audience (consisting almost entirely of K-State fans) by reporting negative information about K-State is a personal choice of his, rather than just him 'doing his job'.
If it's me, Kinder never gets another inside tip or exclusive story again. He'll still get his press credentials and can attend press conferences and whatnot, but the good stories would not be going his way ever again. That's like Entertainment Weekly trashing Tom Cruise with a bunch of negative stories, and then expecting the people that work for Cruise to continue feeding them inside info. It is just not going to happen.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
5/23 6:29 AM | IP: Logged
Jesus Christ.
-
the most befuddling part of that post is that someone apparantly thinks E weekly is a gossip magazine.
-
just want to make sure everyone caught my cool papa kinder nickname that i just gave him. that's what we're calling him from now on. just an fyi you guys. also, cpk is also acceptable.
mob forming to take down cool papa :frown:
"Meanwhile, Kinder is doing his job. He's not employed by the university to be a mouthpiece. Instead, his job is to report on K-State athletics--the good and the bad. He's certainly a bright spot for a painfully sub-par newspaper."
I would actually argue that this is NOT true. Kinder covers sports, which means he works in the entertainment industry. His job is therefore to entertain. The fact that he is choosing to try to entertain his audience (consisting almost entirely of K-State fans) by reporting negative information about K-State is a personal choice of his, rather than just him 'doing his job'.
If it's me, Kinder never gets another inside tip or exclusive story again. He'll still get his press credentials and can attend press conferences and whatnot, but the good stories would not be going his way ever again. That's like Entertainment Weekly trashing Tom Cruise with a bunch of negative stories, and then expecting the people that work for Cruise to continue feeding them inside info. It is just not going to happen.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
5/23 6:29 AM | IP: Logged
:buh-bye:
-
just want to make sure everyone caught my cool papa kinder nickname that i just gave him. that's what we're calling him from now on. just an fyi you guys. also, cpk is also acceptable.
mob forming to take down cool papa :frown:
"Meanwhile, Kinder is doing his job. He's not employed by the university to be a mouthpiece. Instead, his job is to report on K-State athletics--the good and the bad. He's certainly a bright spot for a painfully sub-par newspaper."
I would actually argue that this is NOT true. Kinder covers sports, which means he works in the entertainment industry. His job is therefore to entertain. The fact that he is choosing to try to entertain his audience (consisting almost entirely of K-State fans) by reporting negative information about K-State is a personal choice of his, rather than just him 'doing his job'.
If it's me, Kinder never gets another inside tip or exclusive story again. He'll still get his press credentials and can attend press conferences and whatnot, but the good stories would not be going his way ever again. That's like Entertainment Weekly trashing Tom Cruise with a bunch of negative stories, and then expecting the people that work for Cruise to continue feeding them inside info. It is just not going to happen.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
5/23 6:29 AM | IP: Logged
Yeah I'm not sure this logic makes sense
-
I would hate to have to cover KSU Sports and not get all of the insidery information that our Athletic Department, coaches included, provides to the press. That would be really difficult.
-
I wonder if Kinder tells people back home he's in the entertainment industry. I would.
-
John Currie will just sit at his desk developing new fund raising algorithms and praying that he never gets put in another mildly uncomfortable position with another fellow human being ever again.
Currie is our very own Peter Gregory from Silicon Valley. Great at providing us with boatloads of money; not so much on the person-to-person stuff.
Hey Leti:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F37.media.tumblr.com%2Fb3f179fffd38ff0423ca14a862d99704%2Ftumblr_n5byfcVTer1qiaxzfo5_250.gif&hash=28663d8ec7c0faaf6e4e82c6a078d0071f840654)
-
"Who is in charge of that athletic department, kindergartners???"
Oh leti's attorney, you slay us. PI'ing us hard.
-
why hasn't kinder posted here yet? I think it is time for our people to get in touch with his people.
-
maybe pm hambone and ask hambone to try to get cpk to post here? :dunno:
-
maybe pm hambone and ask hambone to try to get cpk to post here? :dunno:
confirmed good idea.
-
kinder is usually an idiot. this is the exception.
-
Our fanbase can be scary sometimes. Like Penn State fans scary.
-
Every new generation is weaker and wiser.
-
Mr. Currie and President Schultz,
PLEASE grant a release for Leticia Romero allowing her to go where she wants with the exceptions of another Big XII university or Northern Colorado. This is getting ridiculous and is troubling. Any young person should be able to attend the school of their choice. Universities are in the business of education. What is being taught in this situation?
K-State just hired a coach from a conference member! Coach Mitte! How would he like it if TCU had tried to limit him from taking a coaching position at a conference member?
Please reconsider and do the right thing. K-State is about the people. This is the first time under this administration that I feel embarrassed and ashamed.
Best wishes and much success to Ms. Romero. I only wish she could have fond memories rather than the horrible ones she will be left with of my university.
Sincerely,
(AuditCat)
Even the GPCers are coming around, they'll probably break John Curries inbox, those sumbitches love writin' e-mails.
-
New Mercury story from Kinder today.
http://themercury.com/articles/romero-exploring-other-options-to-gain-her-release
One of the issues in play is what took place — or didn’t take place — during the appeals hearing itself, led by K-State vice president of student life Pat Bosco. The committee, “comprised of individuals from the institution’s main campus and outside of athletics,” according to the school’s student-athlete handbook, failed to record the session or produce a transcript, despite assurances that it would.
Romero asked to record the hearing and after being told she could, Sonia Topliff, who works in Bosco’s office, later told Romero, it wasn’t necessary because K-State would take care of it and make it available.
“You do not have to provide your own recording equipment,” Topliff wrote in e-mail to Romero the morning of her hearing that was obtained by The Mercury. “The university will record your meeting with the hearing panel and make it available to you upon your request.”
Romero never received an audio recording or a transcript like she requested.
“Is there a transcript of tape of the hearing? No,” Jackson said. “These people knew exactly what they were doing. They didn’t want a record of it. They lied to her about recording and did not create a record of it — told her there was no copy.”
- See more at: http://themercury.com/articles/romero-exploring-other-options-to-gain-her-release#sthash.VMxvZKlk.dpuf
-
Well, if Kinder won't be K-State's pawn, I suppose he can be Jackson's. But this is seriously not the way to get into Tami's pants.
-
BITB pretty much just said Leti is a dumbass for wanting to leave.
-
This attorney is a rough ridin' tool
-
New Mercury story from Kinder today.
http://themercury.com/articles/romero-exploring-other-options-to-gain-her-release
This is an athletic department that’s being run by third graders.
Same fuckers who set up the original gE chat room! :shakesfist:
-
No criminal action to be taken in distribution of letter
Kansas State spokesman Jeff Morris said Friday that the university had concluded nothing criminal took place in the distribution of an internal letter regarding women’s basketball player Leticia Romero.
The existence of the May 5 letter, in which athletic director John Currie asked a university committee to grant Romero a release from her scholarship, was reported in Thursday’s Mercury and other media outlets. The Mercury obtained an image of the letter from Romero’s attorney.
K-State attorney Pete Paukstelis had asked The Mercury to destroy all copies of the letter in part because they believed it had been stolen.
But after looking into it, Morris said university officials concluded the letter had been photographed using an iPhone by a former student employee during working hours in the office of Pat Bosco, who heads the committee that reviews appeals of decisions on scholarship release requests.
Morris said that student, who has since graduated and no longer works at K-State, sent the image to somebody and it eventually found its way into the hands of Romero’s attorney, Donald Jackson. Jackson sent it to The Mercury and the Wichita Eagle/Kansas City Star.
“There’s no further criminal investigation,” Morris said.
:lol:
-
time to check avios redemptions to belize
-
No criminal action to be taken in distribution of letter
Kansas State spokesman Jeff Morris said Friday that the university had concluded nothing criminal took place in the distribution of an internal letter regarding women’s basketball player Leticia Romero.
The existence of the May 5 letter, in which athletic director John Currie asked a university committee to grant Romero a release from her scholarship, was reported in Thursday’s Mercury and other media outlets. The Mercury obtained an image of the letter from Romero’s attorney.
K-State attorney Pete Paukstelis had asked The Mercury to destroy all copies of the letter in part because they believed it had been stolen.
But after looking into it, Morris said university officials concluded the letter had been photographed using an iPhone by a former student employee during working hours in the office of Pat Bosco, who heads the committee that reviews appeals of decisions on scholarship release requests.
Morris said that student, who has since graduated and no longer works at K-State, sent the image to somebody and it eventually found its way into the hands of Romero’s attorney, Donald Jackson. Jackson sent it to The Mercury and the Wichita Eagle/Kansas City Star.
“There’s no further criminal investigation,” Morris said.
:lol:
Bosco in control of the entire situation. Pat Bosco . . . a man with zero tolerance for shenanigans. Agendites are going to need to deal with this.
-
New Mercury story from Kinder today.
http://themercury.com/articles/romero-exploring-other-options-to-gain-her-release
One of the issues in play is what took place — or didn’t take place — during the appeals hearing itself, led by K-State vice president of student life Pat Bosco. The committee, “comprised of individuals from the institution’s main campus and outside of athletics,” according to the school’s student-athlete handbook, failed to record the session or produce a transcript, despite assurances that it would.
Romero asked to record the hearing and after being told she could, Sonia Topliff, who works in Bosco’s office, later told Romero, it wasn’t necessary because K-State would take care of it and make it available.
“You do not have to provide your own recording equipment,” Topliff wrote in e-mail to Romero the morning of her hearing that was obtained by The Mercury. “The university will record your meeting with the hearing panel and make it available to you upon your request.”
Romero never received an audio recording or a transcript like she requested.
“Is there a transcript of tape of the hearing? No,” Jackson said. “These people knew exactly what they were doing. They didn’t want a record of it. They lied to her about recording and did not create a record of it — told her there was no copy.”
- See more at: http://themercury.com/articles/romero-exploring-other-options-to-gain-her-release#sthash.VMxvZKlk.dpuf
goddamnit Pat, this makes me sad, wtf is he doing?
-
K-State Admin and AD office look like goddamn buffoons.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
K-State Admin and AD office look like goddamn buffoons.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bosco deserves better than the amateur hour his colleagues have engaged in.
-
K-State Admin and AD office look like goddamn buffoons.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bosco deserves better than the amateur hour his colleagues have engaged in.
The latest revelation is 100% on him and his office, seems like they intentionally hid that meeting. Why in the eff would they think it's a good idea to not record the meeting nor allow anyone else to?
-
where is capn in all this is what i want to know
-
where is capn in all this is what i want to know
Chilling as he should. You think he expected his dumbass employer to continue this escapade? Do you guys fouge for all your bosses dumbass mistakes? He's an awesome source, stop rough ridin' with the messenger. :dropsmic:
-
I wish capn was here too.
-
where is capn in all this is what i want to know
Chilling as he should. You think he expected his dumbass employer to continue this escapade? Do you guys fouge for all your bosses dumbass mistakes? He's an awesome source, stop rough ridin' with the messenger. :dropsmic:
:dunno:
-
vouch
-
I think Bosco would totally fall on his sword if he thought doing so was in the best interest of K-State. I don't think that's the case here. Leti mumped up big time and did something that royally pissed him off. That something may have been request a transfer.
-
vouch
Hmm, I thought maybe it was fight
-
I think Bosco would totally fall on his sword if he thought doing so was in the best interest of K-State. I don't think that's the case here. Leti mumped up big time and did something that royally pissed him off. That something may have been request a transfer.
Sometimes people get meaner as they age.
-
vouch
:lol:
-
Leti mumped up big time and did something that royally pissed him off. That something may have been request a transfer.
:lol:
-
Leti mumped up big time and did something that royally pissed him off. That something may have been request a transfer.
:lol:
Really great chum1 moment here
-
Leti mumped up big time and did something that royally pissed him off. That something may have been request a transfer.
:lol:
Really great chum1 moment here
:moreira:
-
vouch
:lol:
let the record show that I'm not being mean to wacky when I point this out. my wife spells even worse and I married her. I love them both.
-
vouch
:lol:
let the record show that I'm not being mean to wacky when I point this out. my wife spells even worse and I married her. I love them both.
Yes, I'm a documented terrible speller and awesome human (humblebrag?)
-
where is capn in all this is what i want to know
Chilling as he should. You think he expected his dumbass employer to continue this escapade? Do you guys fouge for all your bosses dumbass mistakes? He's an awesome source, stop rough ridin' with the messenger. :dropsmic:
So asking where he is = rough ridin' with the messenger
one of these days one of us (note: not me, i'm not great with self-imposed deadlines) needs to write a "fanningese to logic" book :driving:
-
http://joeposnanski.com/joeblogs/let-her-go/
It won't ever stop. I really can't imagine how :lol: :bwpopcorn: KSU's response will be when all of this really comes out.
-
We deserve every second of the public ridicule we're getting
-
It's weird to me that there's fans who get super-defensive about all the heat that the athletic department's taking for this, and are all "ESPN/Kinder/'the media' is trying to screw K-State again." Nobody criticizing this thing is saying "K-State" is a bad place. Bilas himself has repeatedly said he likes K-State/Manhattan/EMAWs but that Currie's being dumb here. Being a K-State fan doesn't mean you have to @ bad things to Jay Bilas or whichever media type is lol'n/criticize'n this clown show. Nobody's mad at K-State, the university. They're mad at the current leadership of the athletic department. None of this has any reflection on EMAW people.
-
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/mtsu/2014/05/23/mtsu-can-talk-transfer/9522089/
Sometimes when there's snafus that I have to resolve, I summarize chunks of the mess as a "clerical error." I might have to retire that term.
-
Trim pretty much nailed it. Still hate the bad press we're getting for him being psychotic.
-
I dislike KState looking bad at all, including our employees. But, I dislike KState,including our employees, being bad much more. I think our employees are being pretty bad here.
-
I dislike KState looking bad at all, including our employees. But, I dislike KState,including our employees, being bad much more. I think our employees are being pretty bad here.
Yes, our employees look like really awful people right now. The final decision thing is bullshit.
-
By employees I am sure you all mean Pat Bosco . . . unless you subscribe to the Bosco is King of all K-State, except on this singular issue he's just a John Currie Puppet Boy theory.
Don't be an Agendite.
-
:lol:
-
It's weird to me that there's fans who get super-defensive about all the heat that the athletic department's taking for this, and are all "ESPN/Kinder/'the media' is trying to screw K-State again." Nobody criticizing this thing is saying "K-State" is a bad place. Bilas himself has repeatedly said he likes K-State/Manhattan/EMAWs but that Currie's being dumb here. Being a K-State fan doesn't mean you have to @ bad things to Jay Bilas or whichever media type is lol'n/criticize'n this clown show. Nobody's mad at K-State, the university. They're mad at the current leadership of the athletic department. None of this has any reflection on EMAW people.
This doesn't seem to hard to understand. Great post.
-
By employees I am sure you all mean Pat Bosco . . . unless you subscribe to the Bosco is King of all K-State, except on this singular issue he's just a John Currie Puppet Boy theory.
Don't be an Agendite.
Done yelling at that cloud yet?
-
dax won't rest until each and every poster is put firmly in one of two camps
-
I could understand withholding the release up to a certain point. We passed that point weeks ago. This should've been resolved and out of the news by now.
-
I could understand withholding the release up to a certain point. We passed that point weeks ago. This should've been resolved and out of the news by now.
I agree with all of that, but then again, what fun would that be?
-
By employees I am sure you all mean Pat Bosco . . . unless you subscribe to the Bosco is King of all K-State, except on this singular issue he's just a John Currie Puppet Boy theory.
Don't be an Agendite.
The science is settled
-
I could understand withholding the release up to a certain point. We passed that point weeks ago. This should've been resolved and out of the news by now.
I agree with all of that, but then again, what fun would that be?
Currie is not a fan of Combo Fanning season. Really wants us on the sports boards
-
the media has been far nicer to kstate than kstate has deserved. mostly, i think, because they are all either locals who love kstate more than kstate loves kstate or because they're nationals who really want to bitch about the ncaa and bitching about kstate just gets in the way.
-
What a :lol: and :shakesfist: thing ever
Also Dax you are either the biggest idiot or smartest rough ridin' poster here. Keep doing you man
-
What a :lol: and :shakesfist: thing ever
Dax is the smartest effing poster here. Keep doing you man
Thanks slim. I shall
-
I don't know how @Powercat46 is on Twitter, but that guy re: the whole Romero thing and @ing @jaybilas, is pretty woof.
-
@Powercat46, that guy.
a good reminder for all of us. however stupid dax is on here, somewhere on gpc there's someone posting something 10x stupider.
-
I like rough ridin' with bilas because he is a pompous bad person and he gets mad really fast
I mean obviously kstate has done crap hilariously bad here.
-
This is what needs to happen...
Shultz: About Romero? Let her go.
Currie: But I'm right. I...
Shultz: You're hurting the university. Let her go.
Currie: How will I look if I...
Shultz: How better will you look on the unemployment line?
-
So, are we just waiting on someone getting fired and/or falling on the sword to move forward?
I feel like this blame is being punted all over the place until we find the fall guy/gal.
-
I assume clerics are currently in high demand in mhk
-
@Powercat46, that guy.
a good reminder for all of us. however stupid dax is on here, somewhere on gpc there's someone posting something 10x stupider.
The reality of Bosco being the lead bad person still not setting in with you sys?
Sad...really.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
:lol:
-
Even if it was in Pat Bosco's hands, Currie still never talked to Leti before denying her release as well, is bullshitting about the decision being final, can still grant a release or contact at least, yet hasn't, is now deflecting blame to Bosco and not giving her a release, making our AD look even shittier. At this point, even IF this thing was Pat Bosco's fault(really doubtful), it's way past time for Currie to override Bosco and give her the release.
-
I dislike KState looking bad at all, including our employees. But, I dislike KState,including our employees, being bad much more. I think our employees are being pretty bad here.
Yep. More than anything it just sounds like they were doing shitty at their jobs. Which sucks much worse than bad press.
-
the media has been far nicer to kstate than kstate has deserved. mostly, i think, because they are all either locals who love kstate more than kstate loves kstate or because they're nationals who really want to bitch about the ncaa and bitching about kstate just gets in the way.
k-state is thought of as a cute "does things the right way" place mostly around the country. Or for the most part, not thought of at all. They'd rather pick on someone else.
-
a good reminder for all of us. however stupid dax is on here, somewhere on gpc there's someone posting something 10x stupider.
The reality of Bosco being the lead bad person still not setting in with you sys?
Sad...really.
10x might have been an exaggeration.
-
If Leti wins this thing by going to MTSU on a clerical error then this thing will have officially been the most K-State0 possible thing I've ever seen since the Prince/audit fiasco.
-
If Leti wins this thing by going to MTSU on a clerical error then this thing will have officially been the most K-State0 possible thing I've ever seen since the Prince/audit fiasco.
i don't think that's a win for romero, just another loss for kstate.
-
If Leti wins this thing by going to MTSU on a clerical error then this thing will have officially been the most K-State0 possible thing I've ever seen since the Prince/audit fiasco.
i don't think that's a win for romero, just another loss for kstate.
MTSU is (apparently) significantly better than KSU at WBB
-
she might want choices.
-
YOU GET NONE CHOICES!
-
She has choices. EMAW or Middle Tennessee State.
Her decision regarding this tough decision will tell us whether or not she's a stud or a pud.
Hmm..Middle Tennessee or MHK...hmm....
-
MTSU will be a final four contender with her
-
MTSU will be a final four contender with her
The cleric should get a ring.
-
Currie needs to beware of what cleric he pisses off.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgatherer.wizards.com%2FHandlers%2FImage.ashx%3Fmultiverseid%3D39849%26amp%3Btype%3Dcard&hash=a9db6dbf5e1a602c3da50e8acb89212e8bde5b83)
-
Currie needs to beware of what cleric he pisses off.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgatherer.wizards.com%2FHandlers%2FImage.ashx%3Fmultiverseid%3D39849%26amp%3Btype%3Dcard&hash=a9db6dbf5e1a602c3da50e8acb89212e8bde5b83)
NERRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
-
I don't know how @Powercat46 is on Twitter, but that guy re: the whole Romero thing and @ing @jaybilas, is pretty woof.
Have you perused @wildcatmac8?
-
I don't know how @Powercat46 is on Twitter, but that guy re: the whole Romero thing and @ing @jaybilas, is pretty woof.
Have you perused @wildcatmac8?
K-State, small Kansas town, and no doubt his HS basketball number. I'll bet he is sharp on the old twitter
-
@BlairKerkhoff 1m
Kansas State announces it has granted release of Leticia Romero under school's new policy. She can't transfer to a Big 12 school.
-
@schadjoe 1m
Kansas State announces Leticia Romero has been granted a release to transfer. "We wish Leticia all the best," AD John Currie said.
-
@jlkurtz 2m
K-State announces that Leti Romero has been granted a transfer release "as a result of a newly modified institutional policy."
-
@BlairKerkhoff 2m
K-State AD John Currie granted more flexibility on transfer issue when new information is obtained. KSt Board approved today
-
:cheers: to the clerics
-
@schadjoe 1m
Kansas State announces Leticia Romero has been granted a release to transfer. "We wish Leticia all the best," AD John Currie said.
/thread :buh-bye:
-
WELL THAT WAS EASY
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bop5JL2CIAEpe4-.png)
dat sig line. #titletown
-
just a simple misunderstanding is all :lol:
-
It wasn't a simple misunderstanding. It was made needlessly complex by an outdated policy.
What is still amazing to me is, that some people still don't appear to grasp that Romero was ultimately denied by a committee which appears to be led by Pat Bosco.
So the question that remains unanswered, why did the committee which is apparently lead by Pat Bosco, deny the original request? (those that subscribe to the absurd theory that Pat Bosco is just a John Currie puppet boy need not respond)
-
dax continues to kick the crap out of a shadow of a strawman.
-
Currie doing everything he can to save his own face.
-
So, what does everybody think of the amendment to the appeals process? Did it go far enough to ensure justice for the student athlete? Seems like we could still eff over our student athletes if the AD wanted to :dunno:
-
Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result. There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now. Go Cats!
-
Just saw the OTL piece. I honestly don't believe that Deb and the former staff had no contact with Romero after they were fired. There's no way this whole thing happened and there was no contact between the two parties or something.
-
Can we stop discussing this? If you want to get to the bottom of this, just know that the bottom of this looks just like the top of this. We look stupid as hell from either vantage point.
-
It wasn't a simple misunderstanding. It was made needlessly complex by an outdated policy.
What is still amazing to me is, that some people still don't appear to grasp that Romero was ultimately denied by a committee which appears to be led by Pat Bosco.
So the question that remains unanswered, why did the committee which is apparently lead by Pat Bosco, deny the original request? (those that subscribe to the absurd theory that Pat Bosco is just a John Currie puppet boy need not respond)
She was denied by John Currie and than lost an appeal to the committee. If she hadn't been denied by Currie it never would have gone to the committee. I don't have an opinion of Pat Bosco one way or another but I think by the time it gets to that committee your chances of getting what you want are pretty slim. You're going to have to show some special hardship or something along those lines that would compel them to overturn the AD's decision. As crappy as the rule is IMO it's still within the power of the AD to deny a release. Leti wasn't going back home to be with a sick family or anything like that.
-
:Woot:
-
It's a Currie problem and the stupid "We fixed the problem, it was an issue of rules that needed changing" is a bullshit Currie solution to try to save face. I don't know why the committee should be any more or less responsible on this than Currie.
-
glad to see gE.com helping to shape university policy for the betterment of all student athletes. I'm proud of everyone in this thread.
-
Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result. There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now. Go Cats!
i don't know. i mean, it feels pretty good to know that currie at least felt the need to save face. this is as close to an apology as we're ever going to see from the guy and it's infinitely more than wildcat great jamar samuels ever got.
the wildcat world got a little bit better today.
-
KSU, where we let things play out a bit longer before backtracking.
-
im glad this all went down on a random tuesday after ventura got hurt or else the radio would be very gross today
-
Angel and Leti: Heroes
-
It wasn't a simple misunderstanding. It was made needlessly complex by an outdated policy.
What is still amazing to me is, that some people still don't appear to grasp that Romero was ultimately denied by a committee which appears to be led by Pat Bosco.
So the question that remains unanswered, why did the committee which is apparently lead by Pat Bosco, deny the original request? (those that subscribe to the absurd theory that Pat Bosco is just a John Currie puppet boy need not respond)
She was denied by John Currie and than lost an appeal to the committee. If she hadn't been denied by Currie it never would have gone to the committee. I don't have an opinion of Pat Bosco one way or another but I think by the time it gets to that committee your chances of getting what you want are pretty slim. You're going to have to show some special hardship or something along those lines that would compel them to overturn the AD's decision. As crappy as the rule is IMO it's still within the power of the AD to deny a release. Leti wasn't going back home to be with a sick family or anything like that.
It is not unreasonable (well, unless you're an agendite that is) to think that Currie believed that there was tampering going on. I know the agendites think that transfers should be granted no matter what, which is dumb, but that's another story.
It's also extremely easy to claim that you weren't part of a package deal or anything like that after you realize that you're not going to get a transfer unless you make those claims.
We're just taking everyone's word for it at this juncture. Thankfully the release was granted, and we can get back to talking about sports that actually produce the revenue that make women's basketball possible.
-
WHAT THE eff DOES AGENDITE MEAN
-
WHAT THE eff DOES AGENDITE MEAN
Figure it out cRusty.
-
Dax needs a political talk show. He's already got the format down. Split people into groups, yell louder, profit.
(I'm a fan of your posts BTW dax)
-
Krusty is funnier with a big K and little r.
-
The worst thing about this whole saga is it makes us look like little insecure bitches. That's not how I want my cats to look.
-
to the lawyers out there, are we looking a potential lawsuit here?
-
We need to capitalize on this about face and use it to our advantage in recruiting like "hey, come to KSU. We got our ass kicked super hard for denying a transfer that now we pretty much guarantee you a transfer. Middle of the season transfer? sure! Within the conference transfer? maybe wait a week please, but then fine!"
Kstate, where no reasonable transfer request is denied.
-
to the lawyers out there, are we looking a potential lawsuit here?
are you asking if she has a "legal claim"?
-
who are agendites in the pocket of? It can't be Big AD, can it?
-
glad to see gE.com helping to shape university policy for the betterment of all student athletes. I'm proud of everyone in this thread.
:blush:
-
to the lawyers out there, are we looking a potential lawsuit here?
are you asking if she has a "legal claim"?
yes, or a defamation lawsuit. i by no means know law that well
-
KSU, you'll have to make us look like complete losers for a LONG time before we give you whatever you want.
-
KSU, if you want to transfer you're going to have to make us look like enormous pieces of trash first.
-
KSU, if you want to transfer you're going to have to make us look like enormous pieces of trash first, but we promise to make that part easy for you!
-
Just let steve dave do his thing slobber
-
Pat Bosco, Athletic Department Heavy: So Leti, am I funny like a clown, funny ha-ha, do I make you laugh?
-
Just let steve dave do his thing slobber
My thing is following sd after he does his thing. If what you are telling me is to stop doing my thing, then... well, :goodbyecruelworld:
-
Just let steve dave do his thing slobber
My thing is following sd after he does his thing. If what you are telling me is to stop doing my thing, then... well, :goodbyecruelworld:
never mind carry on.
-
So, now what do we talk about?
-
So, now what do we talk about?
APR
-
Realignment.
-
Did we sell our soul for athletic facility improvements?
-
We only really heard one side of this story. Well, we really heard that side and then a bunch of opinions stemming from it. K-State looked bad during the whole process, and would have either way, but couldn't they have made things better by just letting granting her the release when the threat of tampering that worried them was over? They didn't, and instead went through all these — unnecessary imo — formalities before doing just that.
I'm of the opinion that the original denial and suspicions could have been legitimate, and though I don't know the particulars of what K-State knew or what the law allows them to say, they could have probably communicated much better, thus leaving looking a little better in the end.
I don't think there was any way Romero would have ended up being denied all together or some very limited group of schools. The whole "Welp, we went to our iron-clad committee and man, we can't go back on the committee because they're like level 10 necromancers and the code is enchanted like five times, so it's super irreversible."
-
Realignment.
Na. That's dead.
-
I still just can't believe that this girl wanted to leave KSU. Spain must be a weird place.
-
Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result. There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now. Go Cats!
Would argue that the University side is where the incompetency resides. Their committee denied the appeal despite a recommendation from the AthDept that she be released. They then refused any attempts by AthDept to override that ruling. They allowed confidential letters to leak. They put out a pissing-contest statement about how they are bigger than Athletics and their word is final. And throughout, they displayed a sad amount of public and private ignorance of how the world was viewing their actions.
Mistakes AthDept made were not doing a better job of publicly commenting on the reasons for the initial delay, and the Compliance Dept making a clerical error by misreading a name on a list. I understand the silence being based on a very real concern over student privacy, especially when dealing with a student who proves litigious. But the "cone of silence" approach, whether by Currie's advising or not, only served to allow Romero and her coaches to be the only people talking.
But the whole thing could have been resolved long ago without the University side stubbornly resisting any common sense exceptions to "policy", and in so doing, make K-State as a whole look like idiots.
-
Good to see you, cap'n.
-
I ate horse meat in Spain once. HORSE MEAT!
-
it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.
-
I ate horse meat in Spain once. HORSE MEAT!
:sdeek:
Those spanish must be hungry folks.
-
Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result. There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now. Go Cats!
Would argue that the University side is where the incompetency resides. Their committee denied the appeal despite a recommendation from the AthDept that she be released. They then refused any attempts by AthDept to override that ruling. They allowed confidential letters to leak. They put out a pissing-contest statement about how they are bigger than Athletics and their word is final. And throughout, they displayed a sad amount of public and private ignorance of how the world was viewing their actions.
Mistakes AthDept made were not doing a better job of publicly commenting on the reasons for the initial delay, and the Compliance Dept making a clerical error by misreading a name on a list. I understand the silence being based on a very real concern over student privacy, especially when dealing with a student who proves litigious. But the "cone of silence" approach, whether by Currie's advising or not, only served to allow Romero and her coaches to be the only people talking.
But the whole thing could have been resolved long ago without the University side stubbornly resisting any common sense exceptions to "policy", and in so doing, make K-State as a whole look like idiots.
Sounds like K-State is as stubburn as a mule. They best watch out around this spanish girl. :lol:
-
Transfer? Get a story in the national media and then we'll talk
-
it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block. By the time it went in front of the committee Athletics was comfortable in how that stuff was being addressed, and so recommended the committee grant a release. Committee thought differently. Proved difficult for Athletics to fix that.
-
Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result. There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now. Go Cats!
Would argue that the University side is where the incompetency resides. Their committee denied the appeal despite a recommendation from the AthDept that she be released. They then refused any attempts by AthDept to override that ruling. They allowed confidential letters to leak. They put out a pissing-contest statement about how they are bigger than Athletics and their word is final. And throughout, they displayed a sad amount of public and private ignorance of how the world was viewing their actions.
Mistakes AthDept made were not doing a better job of publicly commenting on the reasons for the initial delay, and the Compliance Dept making a clerical error by misreading a name on a list. I understand the silence being based on a very real concern over student privacy, especially when dealing with a student who proves litigious. But the "cone of silence" approach, whether by Currie's advising or not, only served to allow Romero and her coaches to be the only people talking.
But the whole thing could have been resolved long ago without the University side stubbornly resisting any common sense exceptions to "policy", and in so doing, make K-State as a whole look like idiots.
thanks cap'n :thumbs:
-
The ESPN article says embarrassing a lot
-
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.
Obviously not. Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.
Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.
-
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.
Obviously not. Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.
Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.
Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?
-
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.
Obviously not. Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.
Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.
Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?
Well, mainly this:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2F57btpuudp%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=3016fc4c6f38d361f3de3e1b7849a65802a72e04)
-
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.
Obviously not. Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.
Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.
Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?
Well, mainly this:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2F57btpuudp%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=3016fc4c6f38d361f3de3e1b7849a65802a72e04)
Ah, figured as much. Please find me the quote from that letter where it says an investigation found no tampering.
-
It is a stone cold fact that we won 3 big 12 trophies, there they are at the bottom, BIG AS LIFE
-
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.
Obviously not. Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.
Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.
Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?
Well, mainly this:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2F57btpuudp%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=3016fc4c6f38d361f3de3e1b7849a65802a72e04)
Ah, figured as much. Please find me the quote from that letter where it says an investigation found no tampering.
Look. I get it. Either there was tampering or there wasn't is what I am guessing the appeals committee is saying. Currie put Leti in this position and then tried as hard as he could to make it look as though the University itself was the reason she was denied.
Was there tampering? Currie says yes in the beginning. But then says he learned new facts? Seems like a Yes or No question.
-
The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.
-
My guess at what happened:
1. Leti gets shopped by Deb and staff
2. Currie knows about it
3. Romero asks for release
4. Release denied
5. Romero goes to the media
6. Currie digs in
7. Appeal denied
8. Jay Bilas et al cause shitstorm
9. Currie thinks this looks bad, Kirk is befuddled, Uni PR is incompetent
10. Finally Kirk makes it happen due to media pressure
-
Like I said, there was enough evidence of "Stuff" happening that a block was understandable. After the appeal was denied, the letter from Currie spelled out that Athletics was comfortable with how the "Stuff" was handled; and that they have Romero on record saying she wasn't shopped, won't go to Northern Colorado, etc; and that Mittie and the team just want it over with, etc. Never said there wasn't tampering, just that the Department recommends a release.
This tampering stuff is beside the point -- that the University did a very poor job. Athletics isn't blameless, but the point where this all became a clownshow can be traced to the campus committee not heeding Athletics' recommendation to release her.
-
The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.
You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.
-
My guess at what happened:
1. Leti gets shopped by Deb and staff
2. Currie knows about it
3. Romero asks for release
4. Release denied
5. Romero goes to the media
6. Currie recommends a release
7. Appeal denied
8. Jay Bilas et al cause shitstorm
9. Currie thinks this looks bad, Uni PR is befuddled / incompetent
10. Finally Currie/KSA Board make it happen, despite university attempts to prevent it
FIFY
-
Athletics isn't blameless, but the point where this all became a clownshow can be traced to the campus committee not heeding Athletics' recommendation to release her.
And my point is it wouldn't have even gotten that far if Currie didn't try to heavy hand Leti from the get go.
-
The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.
You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.
So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?
-
The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.
You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.
So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?
Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.
-
it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block. By the time it went in front of the committee Athletics was comfortable in how that stuff was being addressed, and so recommended the committee grant a release. Committee thought differently. Proved difficult for Athletics to fix that.
This all has a familiar ring to it.
-Romero asks for transfer release
-Athletics feels like there's shenanigans, puts the brakes on a transfer (as they should always do in such situations)
-Leti claims she's being held hostage/goes public.
-While Leti is running to the media and lawyers, athletics is properly vetting the situation, determines that shenanigans have been mitigated, recommends to committee that Leti be given release.
-Committee ignores recommendation of Athletics to release.
-Athletics bound by committee decision.
-Athletics gets policy amended via the proper procedural process
-Athletics releases Leti
-
it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block. By the time it went in front of the committee Athletics was comfortable in how that stuff was being addressed, and so recommended the committee grant a release. Committee thought differently. Proved difficult for Athletics to fix that.
This all has a familiar ring to it.
-Romero asks for transfer release
-Athletics feels like they're shenanigans, puts the brakes on a transfer (as they should always do in such situations)
-Leti claims she's being held hostage/goes public.
-While Leti is running to the media and lawyers, athletics is properly vetting the situation, determines that shenanigans have been mitigated, recommends to committee that Leti be given release.
-Committee ignores recommendation of Athletics to release.
-Athletics bound by committee decision.
-Athletics gets policy amended via the proper procedural process
-Athletics releases Leti
Pretty much. That cliffnotes is leaving out the buffoonery of clerical mistakes, pissing contest statements, and a general display of hands-over-ears. But your overall timeline is basically accurate.
I think everyone is ready to move on.
/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).
-
/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).
:sdeek:
-
/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).
:sdeek:
what if leti and sams both end up at mcneese and get married and have babies that grow up to post on gE?
-
The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.
You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.
So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?
Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.
oh, so it was in the handbook. no need for an explanation!
-
To be fair to KSU, I'm taking Leti's version with a grain of salt after yelling blackmail without knowing what the word meant. That is not to say KSU wasn't wrong about the whole thing.
-
women's rough ridin' basketball.
-
It's kinda funny how I'm just now informing myself about the situation now that it's over. I didn't know she led the team in scoring as a freshmen. Pretty clear we were just pissed she was leaving and assumed (probably rightly so) that deb was stealing her.
WOMENS rough ridin' BASKETBALL
-
It's really, really dumb to try to keep kids from doing what they want. You just come off looking like petty bullies.
-
Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.
Obviously not. Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.
Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.
Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?
Well, mainly this:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2F57btpuudp%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=3016fc4c6f38d361f3de3e1b7849a65802a72e04)
Ah, figured as much. Please find me the quote from that letter where it says an investigation found no tampering.
Look. I get it. Either there was tampering or there wasn't is what I am guessing the appeals committee is saying. Currie put Leti in this position and then tried as hard as he could to make it look as though the University itself was the reason she was denied.
Was there tampering? Currie says yes in the beginning. But then says he learned new facts? Seems like a Yes or No question.
Jesus Christ. There was probably tampering, but when we started to look like dumb jerks in the media the benefit of keeping a womens basketball player in the program was outweighed by the fact that we were starting to look like dumb jerks. Get it?
-
The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.
You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.
So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?
Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.
oh, so it was in the handbook. no need for an explanation!
I have no problem believing that K-State royally mumped up this whole situation and that Romero Leti was willing to lie to make them look even worse. The two are not mutually exclusive.
-
Really a bad deal for Currie.
Doing his job in protecting the interests of the athletic department but not given any time by the player in question to fully ascertain the circumstances at hand and mitigate them before the player ran to the media. Then tossed under the bus by the media regarding a situation that he legally could not publicly comment on.
He then fully vetted the situation, recommended to the committee (part of the procedural process that could not be circumvented) that the player in question be allowed to transfer.
The committee apparently led by gEmaw too cool for schooler favorite Pat Bosco ignores Currie's recommendation and denies the transfer request.
Currie must then take more heat because the committee ignores his recommendation and he is still unable to publicly comment on the situation in any detail while working to amend the policy in place.
Currie then gets the K-State Athletics Inc. to amend the in place policy, and the player in question is granted a full release, in the interim between board approval of the amendment and release, Currie must contend with incompetence by compliance staff in the athletic department.
-
Really a bad deal for Currie.
Doing his job in protecting the interests of the athletic department but not given any time by the player in question to fully ascertain the circumstances at hand and mitigate them before the player ran to the media. Then tossed under the bus by the media regarding a situation that he legally could not publicly comment on.
Here's what Currie could have done that could potentially avoid a shitshow:
1) Meet with Leti, explaining the situation as best you can BEFORE she goes to the media. Like, I don't know, ask her about her plans, like he supposedly did in his super secret confidential letter signed in purple sharpie.
2) If she goes to the media saying she has no idea why the transfer was denied, Currie can say, "Well, there's some things I can't talk about, and we're still doing research, but I've met with Leti and explained the situation as best I could."
That makes him look SO MUCH BETTER. IMO the media picked up on it mostly because of the lack of an explanation presented to Leti. If Currie can show he met with her, he looks a lot better.
-
Also...
Currie then gets the K-State Athletics Inc. to amend the in place policy, and the player in question is granted a full release, in the interim between board approval of the amendment and release, Currie must contend with incompetence by compliance staff in the athletic department.
It's his rough ridin' compliance staff!
-
Poor Currie. Impossible for a guy like him to have easily seen this coming before he made a complete fool of himself.
-
Even too cool for schoolers must be asking if we're paying Currie enough.
Really cRusty? I know you replied with such zeal because that's the best you've got against Currie.
Save your rage for goEMAW favorite Pat Bosco and company.
-
so our ad and academic sides are now fighting amongst themselves over who mumped up more. this definitely makes us look less clownshow'ish.
-
ON rough ridin' OPPOSITE DAY
-
Admit it too cool for schoolers, you just want a wide open door for transfers, which is just stupid and you know it.
Due diligence was done, Currie recommended that she be given her release and the committee disregarded the recommendation.
-
Even too cool for schoolers must be asking if we're paying Currie enough.
Really cRusty? I know you replied with such zeal because that's the best you've got against Currie.
Save your rage for goEMAW favorite Pat Bosco and company.
Do you disagree with what I said?
-
Even too cool for schoolers must be asking if we're paying Currie enough.
Really cRusty? I know you replied with such zeal because that's the best you've got against Currie.
Save your rage for goEMAW favorite Pat Bosco and company.
Do you disagree with what I said?
One small point for cRusty.
Bravo (slow clap)
-
The President eats,
And John Currie takes the crap,
Then you all eat it.
Glorious.
-
Meh, there was a lot of dumb, but it's over. Currie messed up a lot, but the PR was decent at the end.
http://joeposnanski.com/joeblogs/good-on-kansas-state/
-
Layups. rough ridin' layups.
-
funny how much the a.d. wants romero to now go to n colorado so the world can finally see what a whore she is.
-
So I guess nobody wins in this situation. Except message boarders.
-
think about how much easier this would have all been for leti if she hadn't mumped up in the first place oh well, good job everyone and let's get the cats who want to be here here and wins some more championships 24/7
-
It wasn't a simple misunderstanding. It was made needlessly complex by an outdated policy.
Oh holy crap, you are one of a kind dude, that's a fact. rough ridin' unreal.
-
So, now what do we talk about?
APR
:love:
-
A highlight of this thread is sys's dogmatic distrust of institutional authority.
-
funny how much the a.d. wants romero to now go to n colorado so the world can finally see what a whore she is.
I'm glad someone said something about that. IF she ends up at Northern Colorado it's good tip know that the athletic department thinks she is a crap human for wanting to stay with the people she traveled half way across the world to play for.
-
Admit it too cool for schoolers, you just want a wide open door for transfers, which is just stupid and you know it.
Due diligence was done, Currie recommended that she be given her release and the committee disregarded the recommendation.
dax who is your top 5 in the too cool for school club?
-
Dax can I get a Venn diagram of the different KSU cats groups? K thx
Draw two circles label one of them "smart savvy thinkers" in that one write sonofdaxjones; label the other one "too cool for schoolers" in that one write everyone else, a.k.a. everyone who has even thought to question any decision of the athletic department the last 5 years. The middle of the two sets will have captaincrap listed because even he admits the athletic department could have done some things better, that kind of radical thinking has no places in dax's circle.
Amazing from a guy who was once blackballed from K-State athletics.
-
Meh, there was a lot of dumb, but it's over. Currie messed up a lot, but the PR was decent at the end.
http://joeposnanski.com/joeblogs/good-on-kansas-state/
LOL, that's they guy who defended Joe Pa after the fact!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
so our ad and academic sides are now fighting amongst themselves over who mumped up more. this definitely makes us look less clownshow'ish.
And, here is why I KNOW they are complete small time buffoons....they did all of this, risked and lost all of this, FOR rough ridin' WOMEN'S BASKETBALL! It's just the most k-stateo thing that could occur and it did.
Women's rough ridin' basketball, Currie....you vindictive small-minded eff of man. eff you. Leave.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
so our ad and academic sides are now fighting amongst themselves over who mumped up more. this definitely makes us look less clownshow'ish.
And, here is why I KNOW they are complete small time buffoons....they did all of this, risked and lost all of this, FOR rough ridin' WOMEN'S BASKETBALL! It's just the most k-stateo thing that could occur and it did.
Women's rough ridin' basketball, Currie....you vindictive small-minded eff of man. eff you. Leave.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have a personal litmus test of, "Is this a hill that I'm willing to die on?"
If I'm an AD, the is no non-revenue hill that I would.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
Yeah, athletes don't go into college thinking they're going to transfer in a year or two. I doubt this whole deal would be a very effective negative recruiting tactic for other schools.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
I have to imagine Mittie will have a hard time recruiting in the short term.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
I have to imagine Mittie will have a hard time recruiting in the short term.
He put together what looks to be a pretty decent recruiting class during the middle of that nonsense. I doubt it will be an issue.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
I have to imagine Mittie will have a hard time recruiting in the short term.
Meh. There were Mittiegating circumstances. He'll be aight.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
I have to imagine Mittie will have a hard time recruiting in the short term.
Like Deuce said, doubtful, IMO. I don't think recruits come here anticipating that they'll want to transfer. I think they'll view this as an aberration.
-
The only real damage is to the fragile egos of the agendites and too cool for schoolers.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
I have to imagine Mittie will have a hard time recruiting in the short term.
He put together what looks to be a pretty decent recruiting class during the middle of that nonsense. I doubt it will be an issue.
Okay, disregard then.
-
The only real damage is to the fragile egos of the agendites and too cool for schoolers.
Well said.
-
:cheers:
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
I have to imagine Mittie will have a hard time recruiting in the short term.
He put together what looks to be a pretty decent recruiting class during the middle of that nonsense. I doubt it will be an issue.
Okay, disregard then.
Mittie put together a helluva good recruting class.
-
Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.
Also in the handbook, that Currie could've granted her a transfer request (a different one than the one he denied originally, and which said denial was upheld by the committee) anytime he wanted, committee be damned.
Why does John Currie believe that all EMAWs are as stupid as some (most?)? Or assuming nobody could believe that, why does he insist on managing things as if that was the case?
-
funny how much the a.d. wants romero to now go to n colorado so the world can finally see what a whore she is.
:lol: :thumbs:
-
Regardless of how it was handled down the line, it was absolutely right and proper that Currie did not allow the transfer immediately if there was suspected tampering, and there was suspected tampering.
You don't allow transfers immediately when you suspect things like tampering by other coaches, former coaches or handlers. The fact that it "happens all the time" or the fact that it "happens at other schools" and the litany of other stupid strawman arguments that various worried little girls on here make are irrelevant to how K-State should handle possible tampering situations.
Oh and hearty :lol: at the usual suspects who think I am being an AD apologist. I don't apologize for bad policy that required a transfer request go to a committee made up of a bunch of hardliners who apparently don't pay any attention to the recommendation of their own athletic director. I don't apologize for a policy that said the ruling of a committee of hardliners is the final say on a transfer request. I don't apologize for a compliance office who can't get it right.
-
Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.
Also in the handbook, that Currie could've granted her a transfer request (a different one than the one he denied originally, and which said denial was upheld by the committee) anytime he wanted, committee be damned.
Why does John Currie believe that all EMAWs are as stupid as some (most?)? Or assuming nobody could believe that, why does he insist on managing things as if that was the case?
You must be reading a different handbook. Please point to me what section says that a final decision by the athletic director can subsequently be re-decided by said athletic director.
The handbook clearly states that once a final decision by the AD is made, the next step is to go before the committee. Currie recommended to the committee that Romero be given her release and the committee comprised of individuals outside of the athletic department ignored his recommendation. So, outside of now known hard liner Pat Bosco, what other hardliners comprised this committee? Why did they ignore the recommendation of the guy in charge of the athletic department?
-
am i wrong in thinking that currie recommended that the comittee release her only after their initial decision to not release her? the commitee then said "duh we can't reverse our decision, dork". where is dax getting all the currie initially told them to release her and they went against it stuff? i'm pretty sure that never happened.
-
also, lol at the athletic department trying to make the academic side do their dirty work while simultaneously and purposefully trying to make them look bad. the athletic dept could have released her whenever they wanted to. like, pick a day within the last two months. any day. boom! that's a day that the athletic dept could have released her. it's like magic.
-
also, lol at the athletic department trying to make the academic side do their dirty work while simultaneously and purposefully trying to make them look bad. the athletic dept could have released her whenever they wanted to. like, pick a day within the last two months. any day. boom! that's a day that the athletic dept could have released her. it's like magic.
Not when a final AD decision had been made, per the handbook.
Also, I misspoke, Currie asked the Committee to reconvene. However, it's quite clear that he thought there was tampering going on, then when he felt that the tampering issue had been resolved, he requested the committee to reconvene and grant the release. The committee has been a component of the transfer process for quite some time, not always used or needed.
You don't grant transfers if you believe there has been tampering, particularly by former staff members.
-
Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.
Also in the handbook, that Currie could've granted her a transfer request (a different one than the one he denied originally, and which said denial was upheld by the committee) anytime he wanted, committee be damned.
Why does John Currie believe that all EMAWs are as stupid as some (most?)? Or assuming nobody could believe that, why does he insist on managing things as if that was the case?
You must be reading a different handbook. Please point to me what section says that a final decision by the athletic director can subsequently be re-decided by said athletic director.
The handbook clearly states that once a final decision by the AD is made, the next step is to go before the committee. Currie recommended to the committee that Romero be given her release and the committee comprised of individuals outside of the athletic department ignored his recommendation. So, outside of now known hard liner Pat Bosco, what other hardliners comprised this committee? Why did they ignore the recommendation of the guy in charge of the athletic department?
We've done this already, but OK.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/genrel/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/11-12SAHandbook.pdf
The Appeals Committee hears the appeal on the AD's denial of the transfer request. In this case, the one Currie did initially. So, it's fine for Currie to claim that the Committee's affirmation of his initial denial is final and binding and that denial can't be changed. There is nothing that takes subsequent transfer requests out of the hands of the AD and leaves the status of a student-athlete for the rest of their time at K-State settled by some prior affirmation of a prior AD denial.
The Committee's only role is to hear transfer denial request appeals. They did so, and they're now out of the mix.
There was no policy change needed. There was no reason for any delay.
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
There was plenty of reason for the denial and delay if the AD thought there was tampering taking place, which quite clearly he did.
Why is this so difficult to understand. If you believe former staff members are shopping current players you don't allow transfers. All of these idiotic comments about "cross half the world" etc. etc. are irrelevant throwaway arguments; you don't knowingly allow tampering to occur. It's pretty apparent that both Currie and the Committee felt like there was something out-of-sorts with the situation.
-
also, lol at the athletic department trying to make the academic side do their dirty work while simultaneously and purposefully trying to make them look bad. the athletic dept could have released her whenever they wanted to. like, pick a day within the last two months. any day. boom! that's a day that the athletic dept could have released her. it's like magic.
Not when a final AD decision had been made, per the handbook.
Also, I misspoke, Currie asked the Committee to reconvene. However, it's quite clear that he thought there was tampering going on, then when he felt that the tampering issue had been resolved, he requested the committee to reconvene and grant the release. The committee has been a component of the transfer process for quite some time, not always used or needed.
the committee can't, wouldn't and won't reconvene, dax. that's why it was stupid for him to ask them to. if the athletic dept felt that their initial decision to not release her was incorrect, then the proper course of action would have been for them to change their initial decision. the whole letter to pat bosco and then subsequent changing bylaws or whatever is smoke and mirrors so they don't have to say "well initially we said no but now we're saying yeah".
it looks like they have a blanket policy to discourage transfers and make students think they have to stay or accept the offer of "hey stay one year and give it a shot and if you don't like it then we'll release you". this backfired on them this time, more than likely because shalin or whoever else that got fired told leti "yeah don't buy any of that. if you wan't out, you can get out. we will help you."
then you have the athletic dept running around weeks after the fact trying to make a pat bosco committee of professors or whoever out to be the final say and the only people that could overturn this. give me a break. it's patently false and was shown to be when she was released to middle tennesee st due to a "clerical error".
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fr%2Ftoo-cool.gif&hash=3cf283876f024984838bcca9b16072785398bc7c)
Am I the only one who hears "too cool for school" read in the Derek Zoolander voice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9qVhC3VPo) every time it pops up on this blog? :D
-
No, but I will now.
-
Both the AD and the committe could have released her at any time. Both sides hid behind policy and it was bullshit each time. They can exercise discretion.
-
also, lol at the athletic department trying to make the academic side do their dirty work while simultaneously and purposefully trying to make them look bad. the athletic dept could have released her whenever they wanted to. like, pick a day within the last two months. any day. boom! that's a day that the athletic dept could have released her. it's like magic.
Not when a final AD decision had been made, per the handbook.
Also, I misspoke, Currie asked the Committee to reconvene. However, it's quite clear that he thought there was tampering going on, then when he felt that the tampering issue had been resolved, he requested the committee to reconvene and grant the release. The committee has been a component of the transfer process for quite some time, not always used or needed.
the committee can't, wouldn't and won't reconvene, dax. that's why it was stupid for him to ask them to. if the athletic dept felt that their initial decision to not release her was incorrect, then the proper course of action would have been for them to change their initial decision. the whole letter to pat bosco and then subsequent changing bylaws or whatever is smoke and mirrors so they don't have to say "well initially we said no but now we're saying yeah".
it looks like they have a blanket policy to discourage transfers and make students think they have to stay or accept the offer of "hey stay one year and give it a shot and if you don't like it then we'll release you". this backfired on them this time, more than likely because shalin or whoever else that got fired told leti "yeah don't buy any of that. if you wan't out, you can get out. we will help you."
then you have the athletic dept running around weeks after the fact trying to make a pat bosco committee of professors or whoever out to be the final say and the only people that could overturn this. give me a break. it's patently false and was shown to be when she was released to middle tennesee st due to a "clerical error".
I see this situation similar to how Daris sees it, AND I also agree with Pan that under no circumstances is it ever excusable to garner national negative press for a non-revenue sport.
To chum's point of "what's the harm,". I respond by saying that I acknowledge that it is difficult to objectively identify specific damages from national negative press like we received, but add that it ain't a rough ridin' good thing and you know it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
also, lol at the athletic department trying to make the academic side do their dirty work while simultaneously and purposefully trying to make them look bad. the athletic dept could have released her whenever they wanted to. like, pick a day within the last two months. any day. boom! that's a day that the athletic dept could have released her. it's like magic.
Not when a final AD decision had been made, per the handbook.
Also, I misspoke, Currie asked the Committee to reconvene. However, it's quite clear that he thought there was tampering going on, then when he felt that the tampering issue had been resolved, he requested the committee to reconvene and grant the release. The committee has been a component of the transfer process for quite some time, not always used or needed.
the committee can't, wouldn't and won't reconvene, dax. that's why it was stupid for him to ask them to. if the athletic dept felt that their initial decision to not release her was incorrect, then the proper course of action would have been for them to change their initial decision. the whole letter to pat bosco and then subsequent changing bylaws or whatever is smoke and mirrors so they don't have to say "well initially we said no but now we're saying yeah".
it looks like they have a block policy to discourage transfers and make students think they have to stay or accept the offer of "hey stay one year and give it a shot and if you don't like it then we'll release you". this backfired on them this time, more than likely because shalin or whoever else that got fired told leti "yeah don't buy any of that. if you wan't out, you can get out. we will help you."
then you have the athletic dept running around weeks after the fact trying to make a pat bosco committee of professors or whoever out to be the final say and the only people that could overturn this. give me a break. it's patently false and was shown to be when she was released to middle tennesee st due to a "clerical error".
I don't get your take on the committee at all, because the committee wasn't conjured up just for this situation. Maybe I misunderstand what you're trying to say.
"shalin or whoever" . . . Welp, the "whoever" part is kind of important, because whoever (or is it whomever?) they are may have been the primary reason why the transfer request was denied. Again, you don't green light transfers if you believe that players are being tampered with. I know the resident worried little girls get all sphincter clinched if they think K-State looks bad, but I'll take looking bad if there's a possible tampering issue on the table. What's not acceptable is the other relevant buffoonery like the clerical errors.
Also, what is being completely left off the table is the possibility that Romero went to Currie the second time around and said all the right things in order to get Currie to change his mind.
Since we don't know all the details we can only speculate. But it appears more and more like this thing was too rushed from the start which lead administrators to believe there were things amiss and thus caused them to react in the way that they did. Hopefully the amended policy will mitigate these kinds of situations, and hopefully our current coaching staffs won't need to be exited out of their jobs for performance reasons any time soon.
-
There was plenty of reason for the denial and delay if the AD thought there was tampering taking place, which quite clearly he did.
Why is this so difficult to understand. If you believe former staff members are shopping current players you don't allow transfers. All of these idiotic comments about "cross half the world" etc. etc. are irrelevant throwaway arguments; you don't knowingly allow tampering to occur. It's pretty apparent that both Currie and the Committee felt like there was something out-of-sorts with the situation.
Then Leti bent Currie over and had her way with him in front of everybody.
-
There was plenty of reason for the denial and delay if the AD thought there was tampering taking place, which quite clearly he did.
Why is this so difficult to understand. If you believe former staff members are shopping current players you don't allow transfers. All of these idiotic comments about "cross half the world" etc. etc. are irrelevant throwaway arguments; you don't knowingly allow tampering to occur. It's pretty apparent that both Currie and the Committee felt like there was something out-of-sorts with the situation.
Then Leti bent Currie over and had her way with him in front of everybody.
Okay, but I don't get why the Illini Fan even cares about this.
-
Really a bad deal for Currie.
Doing his job in protecting the interests of the athletic department but not given any time by the player in question to fully ascertain the circumstances at hand and mitigate them before the player ran to the media. Then tossed under the bus by the media regarding a situation that he legally could not publicly comment on.
He then fully vetted the situation, recommended to the committee (part of the procedural process that could not be circumvented) that the player in question be allowed to transfer.
The committee apparently led by gEmaw too cool for schooler favorite Pat Bosco ignores Currie's recommendation and denies the transfer request.
Currie must then take more heat because the committee ignores his recommendation and he is still unable to publicly comment on the situation in any detail while working to amend the policy in place.
Currie then gets the K-State Athletics Inc. to amend the in place policy, and the player in question is granted a full release, in the interim between board approval of the amendment and release, Currie must contend with incompetence by compliance staff in the athletic department.
Why not fully vet the situation before denying the transfer?
-
The committee is there to listen to appeals from students. They shouldn't have to listen to appeals from the athletic department, especially after they just acted in the way the athletic department recommended. If Currie obtained some new information, he should have just told Leti to file a new request to transfer because the first request was denied and that case was closed.
-
Really a bad deal for Currie.
Doing his job in protecting the interests of the athletic department but not given any time by the player in question to fully ascertain the circumstances at hand and mitigate them before the player ran to the media. Then tossed under the bus by the media regarding a situation that he legally could not publicly comment on.
He then fully vetted the situation, recommended to the committee (part of the procedural process that could not be circumvented) that the player in question be allowed to transfer.
The committee apparently led by gEmaw too cool for schooler favorite Pat Bosco ignores Currie's recommendation and denies the transfer request.
Currie must then take more heat because the committee ignores his recommendation and he is still unable to publicly comment on the situation in any detail while working to amend the policy in place.
Currie then gets the K-State Athletics Inc. to amend the in place policy, and the player in question is granted a full release, in the interim between board approval of the amendment and release, Currie must contend with incompetence by compliance staff in the athletic department.
Why not fully vet the situation before denying the transfer?
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
-
The committee is there to listen to appeals from students. They shouldn't have to listen to appeals from the athletic department, especially after they just acted in the way the athletic department recommended. If Currie obtained some new information, he should have just told Leti to file a new request to transfer because the first request was denied and that case was closed.
If that's what you think, then Leti clearly didn't make her case in front of the committee and/or they also thought something was amiss. Well, unless you're buying the committee is just puppets of the athletic department conspiracy. The Bosco clearly wasn't sold on her story.
-
Really a bad deal for Currie.
Doing his job in protecting the interests of the athletic department but not given any time by the player in question to fully ascertain the circumstances at hand and mitigate them before the player ran to the media. Then tossed under the bus by the media regarding a situation that he legally could not publicly comment on.
He then fully vetted the situation, recommended to the committee (part of the procedural process that could not be circumvented) that the player in question be allowed to transfer.
The committee apparently led by gEmaw too cool for schooler favorite Pat Bosco ignores Currie's recommendation and denies the transfer request.
Currie must then take more heat because the committee ignores his recommendation and he is still unable to publicly comment on the situation in any detail while working to amend the policy in place.
Currie then gets the K-State Athletics Inc. to amend the in place policy, and the player in question is granted a full release, in the interim between board approval of the amendment and release, Currie must contend with incompetence by compliance staff in the athletic department.
Why not fully vet the situation before denying the transfer?
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
None of those excuse a failure to fully vet before denying, do they?
That would be EXACTLY what the national objections are in this case. Deny first, then ask questions later, athletes be damned....that's what they are objecting to here, I believe.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Dax can I get a Venn diagram of the different KSU cats groups? K thx
Everbody please mark down where you go on this diagram/map. (Mods, please move to master maps or 42 map project thread if needed. TIA.)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUMiiKzD.png&hash=1d44573dcb082eee174dc82f0102b0448260e13e)
-
The committee is there to listen to appeals from students. They shouldn't have to listen to appeals from the athletic department, especially after they just acted in the way the athletic department recommended. If Currie obtained some new information, he should have just told Leti to file a new request to transfer because the first request was denied and that case was closed.
If that's what you think, then Leti clearly didn't make her case in front of the committee and/or they also thought something was amiss. Well, unless you're buying the committee is just puppets of the athletic department conspiracy. The Bosco clearly wasn't sold on her story.
Maybe they just trust the athletic director when he tells them that they shouldn't grant a transfer because of all the tampering. :dunno:
-
cRustyville :lol:
-
House TARGARYEN
-
slimz :lol:
-
Really a bad deal for Currie.
Doing his job in protecting the interests of the athletic department but not given any time by the player in question to fully ascertain the circumstances at hand and mitigate them before the player ran to the media. Then tossed under the bus by the media regarding a situation that he legally could not publicly comment on.
He then fully vetted the situation, recommended to the committee (part of the procedural process that could not be circumvented) that the player in question be allowed to transfer.
The committee apparently led by gEmaw too cool for schooler favorite Pat Bosco ignores Currie's recommendation and denies the transfer request.
Currie must then take more heat because the committee ignores his recommendation and he is still unable to publicly comment on the situation in any detail while working to amend the policy in place.
Currie then gets the K-State Athletics Inc. to amend the in place policy, and the player in question is granted a full release, in the interim between board approval of the amendment and release, Currie must contend with incompetence by compliance staff in the athletic department.
Why not fully vet the situation before denying the transfer?
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
None of those excuse a failure to fully vet before denying, do they?
That would be EXACTLY what the national objections are in this case. Deny first, then ask questions later, athletes be damned....that's what they are objecting to here, I believe.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No one on here knows all the details, so we're all just left to speculate.
The story changing the second time around is every bit as plausible as the deny first scenario.
The committee wasn't buying her story either (disregard if you believe the committee as puppets of Currie conspiracy) or maybe they were also in deny first mode. Who knows? :dunno:
-
:lol:
-
The levels of butthurt are pretty high. Tension continues to mount.
slimz to the rescue!
-
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
Yes, Leti is the one that has demonstrated a consistent pattern of difficulty communicating with other humans.
-
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
Yes, Leti is the one that has demonstrated a consistent pattern of difficulty communicating with other humans.
Yes, nothing says difficulty in communicating with other humans when you can get multi-millionaires and billionaires (you know those happy go lucky hardcore bankers, oil, industrial and big ag types) to open up their checkbooks and write checks for large sums of money.
Let me see, knowing you, your baseline for being able to communicate with other humans in John Currie's case begins and ends with Frank Martin. Laughable to say the least.
-
:lol:
-
Trim, correct me if I'm wrong, and I trust your knowledge of contract stuff vastly more than my own, but are you saying that, because the handbook/ code doesn't explicitly say that a player can't just ask for a transfer a second time then Currie would be under no obligation to deny any subsequent requests for transfer?
-
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
Yes, Leti is the one that has demonstrated a consistent pattern of difficulty communicating with other humans.
Yes, nothing says difficulty in communicating with other humans when you can get multi-millionaires and billionaires (you know those happy go lucky hardcore bankers, oil, industrial and big ag types) to open up their checkbooks and write checks for large sums of money.
Let me see, knowing you, your baseline for being able to communicate with other humans in John Currie's case begins and ends with Frank Martin. Laughable to say the least.
Yes, Frank Martin is the first (and last) person that thinks Currie is a weirdo.
-
laughable to say the least
-
I believe we can put one William Snyder on the list of people that communication issues with John Currie (the Jim Leavitt for DC saga as exhibit A)
Also, I wish I was cool enough to get wasted in cRustyville but I am really just a plain old Agendite
-
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
Yes, Leti is the one that has demonstrated a consistent pattern of difficulty communicating with other humans.
Yes, nothing says difficulty in communicating with other humans when you can get multi-millionaires and billionaires (you know those happy go lucky hardcore bankers, oil, industrial and big ag types) to open up their checkbooks and write checks for large sums of money.
Let me see, knowing you, your baseline for being able to communicate with other humans in John Currie's case begins and ends with Frank Martin. Laughable to say the least.
Yes, Frank Martin is the first (and last) person that thinks Currie is a weirdo.
If you're going by the weirdo matrix, than we could write an entire book on the inherent weirdness of individuals associated with K-State and K-State athletics just in the last 20 years alone.
Really??
-
fiscally i'm a too cool for schooler, but socially i'm pretty agendite.
-
Trim, correct me if I'm wrong, and I trust your knowledge of contract stuff vastly more than my own, but are you saying that, because the handbook/ code doesn't explicitly say that a player can't just ask for a transfer a second time then Currie would be under no obligation to deny any subsequent requests for transfer?
I would like a clear answer to this as well. some articles have suggested that currie could grant a release at any point committee be damned and that the committee was only for the student to appeal a denial. if this isn't the case, is there a waiting period that a student had to go through to request a transfer again? do you get one request in your time at KState? is currie bound by his initial rejection?
-
Trim, correct me if I'm wrong, and I trust your knowledge of contract stuff vastly more than my own, but are you saying that, because the handbook/ code doesn't explicitly say that a player can't just ask for a transfer a second time then Currie would be under no obligation to deny any subsequent requests for transfer?
Yes, but it's not even a matter of technicalities or something not being explicitly stated. That's simply how appeals work. It should've also been fine for Currie to reverse his initial decision as opposed to making a "2nd" decision. The committee is simply hearing an appeal and deciding whether Currie was/is within his authority to make the decision he made. If he'd have subsequently made a different/new decision in Leti's favor, it's unlikely Leti would have appealed and the committee (and its prior affirmation of Currie's 1st decision) would have no role in the matter.
-
so why is the AD acting like it was bound by the committees decision? :confused:
-
so why is the AD acting like it was bound by the committees decision? :confused:
That, and is the committee/ non-athletic side acting like the AD was bound by said decision?
-
so why is the AD acting like it was bound by the committees decision? :confused:
Seemingly because Pat Bosco isn't on twitter.
-
so why is the AD acting like it was bound by the committees decision? :confused:
That, and is the committee/ non-athletic side acting like the AD was bound by said decision?
No, they had their hearing and affirmed Currie's initial decision. That's all the committee could exist for.
-
So has it been settled yet?
A. Committee members were athletic department shills
or
B. Independent thinkers who weren't buying what Leti Romero was trying to sell
-
So has it been settled yet?
A. Committee members were athletic department shills
or
B. Independent thinkers who weren't buying what Leti Romero was trying to sell
B
-
If only there was a recording or a transcript of what happened during this appeal...
-
If only there was a recording or a transcript of what happened during this appeal...
We should make a pod cast of it, and have posters play the roles of committee members. We give everyone some direction on how the plot needs to go, and their characters motivations, and then just roll tape. It will be like a Christopher Guest movie.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
i think the athletic dept has made it pretty clear that academics just gets to call all the shots moving forward on everything athletic dept related. player wants to transfer? dunno. only pat bosco can decide. new jumbotron? ask the english professor if ok. future football schedule? check with the ArchE dept. so on and so forth.
-
I have an idea, let's stop talking about this bc it's a lame topic of conversation
-
If only there was a recording or a transcript of what happened during this appeal...
We should make a pod cast of it, and have posters play the roles of committee members. We give everyone some direction on how the plot needs to go, and their characters motivations, and then just roll tape. It will be like a Christopher Guest movie.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think we found a segment for the upcoming revival of the goEMAW podcats :excited:
-
There should be no appeal process at all, just let the AD decide. Take heavy handers like Pat Bosco out of the equation.
There should be no campus involvement whatsoever with athletics, remove all current members of the K-State Athletics Inc. Board of Directors that are employed by the academic side of the university and replace with outsiders, preferably major boosters. The K-State Big 12 Faculty Rep should only be given to someone who acts solely as a mouthpiece of the athletic director. Academic organizations seeking recognition at K-State athletic events should be forced to pay the full rack as any other commercial advertiser would be asked to pay. No athletic department employees shall serve any dual roles as advisers, consultants, faculty members or staff et. al. of the university itself.
The Athletic Director shall remain a permanent voting member of the University President's cabinet into perpetuity, and shall hold voting roles on all relevant University boards/bodies.
We want a university the athletic department can be proud of.
-
There should be no appeal process at all, just let the AD decide. Take heavy handers like Pat Bosco out of the equation.
There should be no campus involvement whatsoever with athletics, remove all current members of the K-State Athletics Inc. Board of Directors that are employed by the academic side of the university and replace with outsiders, preferably major boosters. The K-State Big 12 Faculty Rep should only be given to someone who acts solely as a mouthpiece of the athletic director. Academic organizations seeking recognition at K-State athletic events should be forced to pay the full rack as any other commercial advertiser would be asked to pay. No athletic department employees shall serve any dual roles as advisers, consultants, faculty members or staff et. al. of the university itself.
The Athletic Director shall remain a permanent voting member of the University President's cabinet into perpetuity, and shall hold voting roles on all relevant University boards/bodies.
We want a university the athletic department can be proud of.
JFC Dax
:flush:
-
If only there was a recording or a transcript of what happened during this appeal...
We should make a pod cast of it, and have posters play the roles of committee members. We give everyone some direction on how the plot needs to go, and their characters motivations, and then just roll tape. It will be like a Christopher Guest movie.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
This is an awesome idea.
-
If only there was a recording or a transcript of what happened during this appeal...
We should make a pod cast of it, and have posters play the roles of committee members. We give everyone some direction on how the plot needs to go, and their characters motivations, and then just roll tape. It will be like a Christopher Guest movie.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
This is an awesome idea.
I agree, with one caveat. I don't think you need to give any direction. Simply pick the right posters for the right role and let it develop naturally.
-
I like the AD having the final say. I think the conference should handle any "appeals." Why, because the conference office has to certify the NLI. And the appeal should just be a simple review of information followed by a recommendation made to the AD, then the AD makes the final decision.
The other issue with NLI process is that in requesting a release the student athlete has to compile and provide a ton of information, and one little error can result in the request being denied or an appeal also being denied.
-
If only there was a recording or a transcript of what happened during this appeal...
We should make a pod cast of it, and have posters play the roles of committee members. We give everyone some direction on how the plot needs to go, and their characters motivations, and then just roll tape. It will be like a Christopher Guest movie.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
This is an awesome idea.
I agree, with one caveat. I don't think you need to give any direction. Simply pick the right posters for the right role and let it develop naturally.
Dax should be Bosco. Trim should be Currie.
-
MIR should be Bosco w/ SDK as Leti.
-
Dax should be Bosco. Trim should be Currie.
I want to be #oscar. Even if he wasn't at the actual hearing, this reenactment should also have an entertainment aspect, and #oscar = entertainment.
-
I wish I had the board clout to be involved, but if there is a secondary character opening I'm there.
-
I wish I had the board clout to be involved, but if there is a secondary character opening I'm there.
i'm trying out for the character of eye rolling janitor guy.
-
I wish I had the board clout to be involved, but if there is a secondary character opening I'm there.
i'm trying out for the character of eye rolling janitor guy.
Dammit! All the good roles are getting taken!
-
I could be the guy in charge of recording the hearing who forgets to bring the equipment.
-
I could be the guy in charge of recording the hearing who forgets to bring the equipment.
Actually you brought it but had to record in secrecy
-
I could be the guy in charge of recording the hearing who forgets to bring the equipment.
Actually you brought it but had to record in secrecy
It would be better if he forgot it. He could be the comedic sidekick to Bosco that seems to foul everything up. Be Barney Fife to Bosco's Andy Griffith.
-
It would be better if he forgot it. He could be the comedic sidekick to Bosco that seems to foul everything up. Be Barney Fife to Bosco's Andy Griffith.
Roscoe to Bosco's Boss Hogg
-
There should be no appeal process at all, just let the AD decide. Take heavy handers like Pat Bosco out of the equation.
There should be no campus involvement whatsoever with athletics, remove all current members of the K-State Athletics Inc. Board of Directors that are employed by the academic side of the university and replace with outsiders, preferably major boosters. The K-State Big 12 Faculty Rep should only be given to someone who acts solely as a mouthpiece of the athletic director. Academic organizations seeking recognition at K-State athletic events should be forced to pay the full rack as any other commercial advertiser would be asked to pay. No athletic department employees shall serve any dual roles as advisers, consultants, faculty members or staff et. al. of the university itself.
The Athletic Director shall remain a permanent voting member of the University President's cabinet into perpetuity, and shall hold voting roles on all relevant University boards/bodies.
We want a university the athletic department can be proud of.
JFC Dax
:flush:
Hey, I'm just rollin with the Daris wall of separation.
-
i wonder why sams or they myriad of other players frank franked didn't get the same treatment. oh well. it's all water under the proverbial Big Time D1 Athletics bridge at this point. eff IT!
-
I wanna play the part of Jay Bilas's twitter account. I thought TRIM would do the best job, but he wants to be somebody else. I promise to do a great job.
-
So, what was the damage here? Leti came out ahead. I had the inconvenience of having to explain this PR catastrophe to everyone I came across because no one had heard of it. Some of us encounter people who have heard of it and some these people, probably squawks, have additional ammo at their disposal during trash talk battles. What else?
since the policy was changed there will be no damage
-
I'm intrigued by dax's new found disdain for the transfer policy, so I decided to go back and find the posts of him mocking me for lashing out against the policy. In going back, one I discovered that the Leti component of this thread is now 56 pages, and two was this post the first one I saw when going back.
I know many of you jump at any opportunity to make John Currie look bad, but a word of caution: using the word of Leti Romero to do so here is not going to end up being a good look.
Now back to me finding posts of dax tying himself in knots with contradictions, that is if I don't get distracted with work in the interim.
-
Dax's distaste of the policy is palpable here
It'll only make K-State look bad and she'll still leave to the program that she wants to go to. It also won't stop tampering in the future. How is negative press for the KSU AD a deterrent to opposing programs tampering, particularly when they still get the player? Unless Currie is going to get some cheaters outed and busted, then he just looks like an ineffectual little bitch.
This has been K-State policy for years and years, predating both UPKS and ADJC. It has been applied in numerous transfer cases, most of them you don't hear much about. The policy is mainly a way to protect the school from tampering and other situations -- the transfer is declined, the player appeals with a list of preferred schools to transfer to, the appeals board says yes or no to schools on the list, player leaves. That's how it goes.
In this case, someone in the ear of Leti recommended she contact members of the press to badmouth K-State. Suddenly, it's a "bad look for K-State". Yeah well no crap, because the player is saying it's a bad look.
K-State will probably make a statement once the appeals board rules, and will probably take the high road. But you can see how good Leti looks here just by reading Twitter comments of her teammates. And that's why siding with her without more info is probably a poor choice.
CC bringing it strong and righteously as always.
-
Not policy related but fun nonetheless
She's a rough ridin' person, not chattel you fucks.
Who can do whatever she wants, but certain things that she wants may have repercussions or implications as to when or if she gets to do them. You know, kind of like, oh, . . . . life.
Plus, I know Too Cool for Schoolers aren't always the sharpest tack in the box when it comes to these scenarios because they'd rather be idiotic while appearing edgy. But CC has a great point that K-State has to consider things like academic standing etc. etc. If a player leaves and is not in good academic standing than that directly impacts APR. That may not be an issue here, but it has to be considered every single time these cases come up, amongst many things.
-
The only reason most of you who are acting mad or upset about this, is because it's Currie.
At some point in the past or at some point in the future, out of your mouth or keyboard, or in your mind you have or will say or think, "I don't give an eff about them, I only care about K-State." You know it, I know it, we all know it.
So, spare us your faux disgust over this, and just admit you're only acting mad or upset because YOU think it's Currie driving all of this.
Godspeed John Currie and keep only looking out for the best interests of EMAW!! Even if it means mountains of duplicity and/or hypocrisy!!
-
WTF are you talking about MIR? My new found disdain for the policy? What?
Again, you're just weird.
-
This tampering garbage that Currie is leaking out there is white noise that needs to be ignored because at best its hypocrisy.
First of all I'd like to address Currie leaking why they are blocking Romero's transfer, and leave no doubt they are leaking it; mixed-nutz came out and said it before cc hinted at it. I don't care what anyone thinks about Leti and the transfer, what should be disturbing to everyone are the lengths this administration will go to in avoiding any negative consequences of the calculated actions they take. If she was tampered with it only became an issue when they fired her coach and hired Mitte. So then they take some very minor fire and they cya by leaking info about the student before the appeal hearing. I say this in all sincerity, if you don't pause at the way the administration has handled even some of this, I question you as a person because you clearly see these athletes as something less than human.
Now to the tampering and the hypocrisy. They won't release players who have been potentially tampered with but they accept players who have been tampered with. We have to check the time line but I think UMaine announcing the transfer of Edwards was almost simultaneous with the announcement of him coming here. It's nearly impossible to take a transfer these days without taking to the player before he or she is officially released. As meister pointed out we hired Mittie when he was under contract as well. Didn't Weber say he had to re-recruit the players when he took the job? Why didn't he just sit on his couch if the AD is so protective of players during a coaching change?
This is a bad deal no matter what happens or who is at fault. Our athletic department looks petty and inconsistent.
Sorry, most of this is bullshit. K-State isn't avoiding negative consequences -- in case you've missed it, national media members like Jay Bilas have made negative tweets about K-State, and there's really no way to unring that bell. And K-State knows that. My guess is, they will make a statement that says she will transfer and be polite and take the high road, and take the momentary PR hit.
I'm not sure how else K-State could have handled this. As discussed earlier, K-State has had players transfer all the time, and you don't see much controversy about them. There's a big difference here, and it isn't in K-State's conduct -- it's the player.
The tampering isn't another school recruiting her, though that does happen all the time. In Leti's case you have the former staff using her as leverage, and convincing her that making K-State look like the big bad Establishment keeping the player down. I'm not sure that part of it is even that secret, even Fitz has got that part figured out, which should indicate how obvious it is.
And your last point, I repeat -- the non-release isn't about keeping players at the school, it is about making the school is protected from lots of possibilities when they leave.
i'm 100% sure that despite you making a well reasoned post containing very salient points, a certain very identifiable group here are going to ignore it all. take from my post what you will.
i'm 100% sure that despite you making a well reasoned post containing very salient points, a certain very identifiable group here are going to ignore it all. take from my post what you will.
Absolutely. A very predictable group.
pew pew
-
Oh look. It's MIR doing MIR things...
:horrorsurprise:
-
Bosco's really laying into him on cross ex.
-
Dax should be Bosco. Trim should be Currie.
I want to be #oscar. Even if he wasn't at the actual hearing, this reenactment should also have an entertainment aspect, and #oscar = entertainment.
It will be a small part. You will open the door (we need sound effects guys like they have on Prairie Home Companion, btw) and start to ask if this is the room to request admission for a new transfer prospect, but everyone in the room immediately cuts you off and is like "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE..."
-
Bosco would be difficult to play because one minute he's in gEmaw :Woohoo:'fest Free Curt mode, and in the next minute he's all "talk to the hand" mode.
Maybe DeNiro?
-
WTF are you talking about MIR? My new found disdain for the policy? What?
Again, you're just weird.
well you can save me some time
Now you're like, "Currie was hampered by this terrible policy" but looking back all I can find are reasons why K-State shouldn't allow transfers at all. Can you help me, as fun as this is I don't want to read this all day. my daughter has t-ball in an hour.
-
Maybe a follow up is in order?
Did the Angel comment ever get clarified?
No. From what I have gathered in this thread and on twitter, the investigation is ongoing and headed by Trim
:thumbs:
I'm stalled out at the moment. Leti favorited my "Is Leti Romero on twitter..." thing Sunday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BltCqipCUAA40nM.jpg:large)
I then got into a DM exchange with her after this:
Perfect, it's @LeticiaRomero95. Leti, I'm w/@goEMAW.com. Can we talk about Angel and his release?
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/458033086769283073
In hindsight, I may have been a bit too ethical in clarifying exactly what aspect of all this I cared about. :frown:
I indicated I'd like to submit to her some questions that she could take her time answering. Eventually, she said she didn't want to go public any further as of Sunday. I guess there's a chance that maybe we could eventually still do it.
I'm with Daris re: Angel. I am bothered that while it could be 100% true that Angel only formally requested a release after 12-13, that he wanted a release after 11-12 but was told before the formal request that he'd have to put in at least a year to get one, and then he didn't bother formally requesting it. That was always what I took away from Leti's quote, and it's such an odd thing to have brought up, that I want to know everything about why it was said. I don't get why none of the media types aren't insisting she clarify that whole thing if she ever wants them to run with the stuff she's providing them (you know, blackmail her).
That's all I was trying to get before she was silenced. Well that, and whatever non-Angel stuff you guys would've had me ask her.
-
I think a fun part to play would be leti's lawyer. What a crazy douce-nozzle of a guy
-
WTF are you talking about MIR? My new found disdain for the policy? What?
Again, you're just weird.
well you can save me some time
Now you're like, "Currie was hampered by this terrible policy" but looking back all I can find are reasons why K-State shouldn't allow transfers at all. Can you help me, as fun as this is I don't want to read this all day. my daughter has t-ball in an hour.
Some things are said with a degree of jest, nor do I recall ever saying K-State shouldn't allow any transfers with any degree of seriousness. I've clearly said again and again that K-State should never grant any immediate transfers in situations like Romero's. Multiple very smart people clearly weren't believing Leti Romero's story some weeks ago . . . again, that's the case unless you believe the conspiracy about Bosco and company being puppets of Currie. I readily admit to being off in my understanding of the timeline of events, a situation made worse by the fact that CC agreed with the timeline as I laid it out a few pages ago. But that still doesn't change my thoughts on delaying approval of transfer requests in situations like this one, and I have clearly said K-State did make mistakes and I've said again and again that ultimately Romero should be granted her release regardless. That release coming with or without restrictions would be predicated on whether tampering or shopping or other shenanigans did or didn't occur.
There's probably plenty more to this story that we'll likely never know. Some of which would make K-State look even worse and some of which likely caused certain parties to breath a huge sigh of relief in that certain information will likely never be revealed by any official source.
As a sidenote, I do find it amusing that some people are actually upset that Romero was restricted from transfer to other Big 12 Schools. Talk about reaching far and wide to find something to be upset about.
-
Or leti's handler/translator person. You can be all like intense foreign guy that has a general distrust of American's
-
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27475.775
nothing really to do with this stuff but a pretty good dax/beems/bread/spracne exchange
-
As a sidenote, I do find it amusing that some people are actually upset that Romero was restricted from transfer to other Big 12 Schools. Talk about reaching far and wide to find something to be upset about.
I'm not outraged about it, actually I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it but you can certainly see the hypocrisy in not allowing her to transfer to another conference school when we just took our coach from another conference school, right? Just another case of the schools and the coaches having far more rights than their workers.
-
As a sidenote, I do find it amusing that some people are actually upset that Romero was restricted from transfer to other Big 12 Schools. Talk about reaching far and wide to find something to be upset about.
I'm not outraged about it, actually I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it but you can certainly see the hypocrisy in not allowing her to transfer to another conference school when we just took our coach from another conference school, right? Just another case of the schools and the coaches having far more rights than their workers.
Well maybe so. I would add that sometimes these rules are put into place because individuals abuse the system, and if those rules weren't in place there are coaches, handlers, agents, parents, student-athletes etc. etc. who would continue the recruitment process (far beyond the tampering that we know goes on today) all the way until eligibility was exhausted. To say that wouldn't occur would show a fundamental misunderstanding of what occurs in the world of college athletes and/or just a flat out denial of reality.
-
regardless of leti's situation with k-state cats, now is not the time to let our rage be quelled.
we all (some of us) must stand up against student athlete's unfair treatment which hasn't changed and the ultimate devil, the rabid fans to whom they play the role of indentured servant and whom benefit the most from the oppression which has united us all here at goE. stay strong brothers.
-
all agreed that wacky plays the roll of the cleric? It's anonymous then.
-
Maybe a follow up is in order?
It's too bad she's already or imminently gone from Manhattan. I feel we could do a much better Q&A during a PAK than over twitter.
-
There's probably plenty more to this story that we'll likely never know. Some of which would make K-State look even worse and some of which likely caused certain parties to breath a huge sigh of relief in that certain information will likely never be revealed by any official source.
ITK!
-
Dax should be Bosco. Trim should be Currie.
I want to be #oscar. Even if he wasn't at the actual hearing, this reenactment should also have an entertainment aspect, and #oscar = entertainment.
It will be a small part. You will open the door (we need sound effects guys like they have on Prairie Home Companion, btw) and start to ask if this is the room to request admission for a new transfer prospect, but everyone in the room immediately cuts you off and is like "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE..."
#oscar ain't getting cut off until I run out of breath.
-
Dax should be Bosco. Trim should be Currie.
I want to be #oscar. Even if he wasn't at the actual hearing, this reenactment should also have an entertainment aspect, and #oscar = entertainment.
It will be a small part. You will open the door (we need sound effects guys like they have on Prairie Home Companion, btw) and start to ask if this is the room to request admission for a new transfer prospect, but everyone in the room immediately cuts you off and is like "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE..."
#oscar ain't getting cut off until I run out of breath.
OK. oscar knocks at the door, is told to come in. They sit there. He knocks AGAIN. They yell "WHAT???"
oscar pops his head in through the crack in the door, and goes "Oh, hey guys! HI PAT!!! So, I was wondering if...(drones on until out of breath). oscar inhales. Currie says "LEAVE. NOW."
oscar quickly says "OK, sorry. Bye guys. BYE PAT!!" Currie yells at the top of his lungs "LEAVE!"
How's that?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
that won't be enough words from trim to get warmed up imo
-
Good question. Maybe Romero wanted an immediate answer?? :dunno: Maybe her tone wasn't as conciliatory, or maybe she didn't tell Currie what he wanted to hear the first time around? :dunno:
Yes, Leti is the one that has demonstrated a consistent pattern of difficulty communicating with other humans.
What do you expect. She's a fricken foreigner. :D
-
I could be the guy in charge of recording the hearing who forgets to bring the equipment.
Actually you brought it but had to record in secrecy
Hey wait, I am a notoriously bad speller. I could record the transcript. :excited:
-
As a sidenote, I do find it amusing that some people are actually upset that Romero was restricted from transfer to other Big 12 Schools. Talk about reaching far and wide to find something to be upset about.
I'm not outraged about it, actually I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it but you can certainly see the hypocrisy in not allowing her to transfer to another conference school when we just took our coach from another conference school, right? Just another case of the schools and the coaches having far more rights than their workers.
Well maybe so. I would add that sometimes these rules are put into place because individuals abuse the system, and if those rules weren't in place there are coaches, handlers, agents, parents, student-athletes etc. etc. who would continue the recruitment process (far beyond the tampering that we know goes on today) all the way until eligibility was exhausted. To say that wouldn't occur would show a fundamental misunderstanding of what occurs in the world of college athletes and/or just a flat out denial of reality.
You do know one of the things the NCAA is trying to change is the waiting period for an athletic transfer to any D1 school. They basically said that coaches do not have a restriction, so why should the student athlete be required too.
-
that won't be enough words from trim to get warmed up imo
Nah, this gives me the ball and lets me run with it.
(drones on until out of breath).
Get ready to witness #acting.
-
i'm just glad we can all stop fretting over this boring and embarrassing topic.
-
And by run with the ball, I mean I'll actually be holding a basketball while doing my scene, and when I'm done talking I'll toss the ball in the air and it'll bounce off my chest and go rolling into the room with all the other actors just staring at me in disbelief.
-
And by run with the ball, I mean I'll actually be holding a basketball while doing my scene, and when I'm done talking I'll toss the ball in the air and it'll bounce off my chest and go rolling into the room with all the other actors just staring at me in disbelief.
Acting is doing without talking. You are a natural.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
that won't be enough words from trim to get warmed up imo
Nah, this gives me the ball and lets me run with it.
(drones on until out of breath).
Get ready to witness #acting.
I imagine Trim's #oscar rant will be on par with Patton Oswald's classic filibuster scene on Parks and Rec.
I'd pay to see that. I really would.
-
I'd pay to see that. I really would.
Hmmmmm...
-
i'm just glad we can all stop fretting over this boring and embarrassing topic.
I know. It was such a bad story. Which is one of the reasons this re-enactment would be so funny.
-
I'd pay to see that. I really would.
Hmmmmm...
"But the female part is a little underwritten so far, sir; I’d like to point that out."
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcbsmorningshow.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F03%2F461824983.jpg%3Fw%3D620%26amp%3Bh%3D349%26amp%3Bcrop%3D1&hash=269f163e3169ff2aad14cc88785a3ba80e2f69ce)
-
I'd pay to see that. I really would.
Hmmmmm...
"But the female part is a little underwritten so far, sir; I’d like to point that out."
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcbsmorningshow.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F03%2F461824983.jpg%3Fw%3D620%26amp%3Bh%3D349%26amp%3Bcrop%3D1&hash=269f163e3169ff2aad14cc88785a3ba80e2f69ce)
Is that a hint of a monogram on oscar's cuff? If so... :facepalm:
-
I was in a school play once.
-
And by run with the ball, I mean I'll actually be holding a basketball while doing my scene, and when I'm done talking I'll toss the ball in the air and it'll bounce off my chest and go rolling into the room with all the other actors just staring at me in disbelief.
YES! I RECAP THIS .GIF/VINE FOR PEOPLE ALL THE TIME!
-
Glad this will all be over when Leti goes to UNC. Kamie will announce that her previous statement that Leti would not attend UNC was based on Kamie's assumption that KSU would block a transfer to UNC, but KSU's block of only Big 12 schools changed that dynamic.
Leti will say that her previous statement that she would not go to UNC was similarly based on her own assumption that KSU would block UNC. She'll be thrilled to join her "support group."
-
shut up bones
-
Glad this will all be over when Leti goes to UNC. Kamie will announce that her previous statement that Leti would not attend UNC was based on Kamie's assumption that KSU would block a transfer to UNC, but KSU's block of only Big 12 schools changed that dynamic.
Leti will say that her previous statement that she would not go to UNC was similarly based on her own assumption that KSU would block UNC. She'll be thrilled to join her "support group."
I don't care one bit if this happens, do you? Although it would be kind of funny if we went through this PR nightmare only to have the exact scenario we were trying to prevent play out.
-
I hope she goes where she wants to, and if there was no tampering like our AD stated, then why the eff should any of us hold it against her?
-
I'll be upset* if she goes anywhere but UNC at this point.
*I won't really give a eff.
-
I think everyone who blocked her is fine with her going to a non-power conference school to follow the coaches.
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
regardless, she needs to finish college up asap and get back to las palmas. can't believe she left there in the first place.
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
well i can think of two times she would've
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
well i can think of two times she would've
True round robin fucks us again.
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
well i can think of two times she would've
eff his old system and eff any new system he's going to have, eff him.
reading her bio on kstatesports.com she had a boner city usa career over in spain back in hs
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
well i can think of two times she would've
eff his old system and eff any new system he's going to have, eff him.
reading her bio on kstatesports.com she had a boner city usa career over in spain back in hs
Ya, but that was the metric system.
-
other site shows she gave a tweet and the tweet came from Colorado.........
-
Ok, in the future, please include a joke or a witty comment in all your posts in this thread. No more boring "update" posts that nobody cares about. You can provide an update, but a witty comment and/or joke is REQUIRED.
-
Please refer to your goEMAW.com handbook if you have any policy questions
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
regardless, she needs to finish college up asap and get back to las palmas. can't believe she left there in the first place.
This seems like one of the better comments in this thread. It captures a great deal.
Note: I have not been to Las Palmas, Spain to confirm.
-
Are we still discussing this?
-
we can, most people seem intent on derailing it though
-
we can, most people seem intent on derailing it though
persevere (pretty sure i didn't spell that correctly) 'bias
-
It seems the State of Kansas is good for lawyers who specialize in getting transfer requests moved through. Why did these two former ku women's basketball players need legal representation?
http://rockchalkblog.com/2014/05/29/gonzalez-twins-used-legal-representation-to-get-released-from-scholarship-at-kansas/
-
i wonder how much film she studied before determining that whatever the new guy's name is's system wasn't for her
regardless, she needs to finish college up asap and get back to las palmas. can't believe she left there in the first place.
This seems like one of the better comments in this thread. It captures a great deal.
Note: I have not been to Las Palmas, Spain to confirm.
They take nooner's over there; maybe she has to much energy to put up with that.
-
we can, most people seem intent on derailing it though
persevere (pretty sure i didn't spell that correctly) 'bias
well I go to agree with you on that comment.
-
It seems the State of Kansas is good for lawyers who specialize in getting transfer requests moved through. Why did these two former ku women's basketball players need legal representation?
http://rockchalkblog.com/2014/05/29/gonzalez-twins-used-legal-representation-to-get-released-from-scholarship-at-kansas/
Well according to the comments, that entire article has been proven to be made up bullshit and the author is a douche. So I guess that resolves that.
-
It seems the State of Kansas is good for lawyers who specialize in getting transfer requests moved through. Why did these two former ku women's basketball players need legal representation?
http://rockchalkblog.com/2014/05/29/gonzalez-twins-used-legal-representation-to-get-released-from-scholarship-at-kansas/
Well according to the comments, that entire article has been proven to be made up bullshit and the author is a douche. So I guess that resolves that.
Saw that, interesting. So the whole thing is just a big misunderstanding and the twins didn't need to hire legal counsel?
-
It seems the State of Kansas is good for lawyers who specialize in getting transfer requests moved through. Why did these two former ku women's basketball players need legal representation?
http://rockchalkblog.com/2014/05/29/gonzalez-twins-used-legal-representation-to-get-released-from-scholarship-at-kansas/
Well according to the comments, that entire article has been proven to be made up bullshit and the author is a douche. So I guess that resolves that.
Saw that, interesting. So the whole thing is just a big misunderstanding and the twins didn't need to hire legal counsel?
We should say that about Leti as well...
-
It seems the State of Kansas is good for lawyers who specialize in getting transfer requests moved through. Why did these two former ku women's basketball players need legal representation?
http://rockchalkblog.com/2014/05/29/gonzalez-twins-used-legal-representation-to-get-released-from-scholarship-at-kansas/
Well according to the comments, that entire article has been proven to be made up bullshit and the author is a douche. So I guess that resolves that.
Saw that, interesting. So the whole thing is just a big misunderstanding and the twins didn't need to hire legal counsel?
We should say that about Leti as well...
Agreed
-
This thing is on life support and dax won't sign the DNR......sad.
-
Martavious signed the DNR.
-
Martavious signed the DNR.
Solid.
-
http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/6/4/5762254/leticia-romero-kansas-state-jay-bilas-interview
-
http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/6/4/5762254/leticia-romero-kansas-state-jay-bilas-interview
I may look at this a little bit differently than some people
Nobody at Kansas State, and I mean nobody - I called the president, I called the AD, I called everyone in compliance, I called Dr. Pat Bosco, who's the chair of Appeals committee - I didn't get one call back, not one. Nobody would explain their procedures, not the case, but they wouldn't explain (their procedures). Like, I wanted to know how is this final and binding? Nobody would discuss it.
He is the absolute worst
-
Jay gets paid in the mid 6 figures by an entity that makes billions and has gotten there on the back of uncompensated student athletes. ESPN owes where it is today to college athletes.
ESPN pays conferences hundreds of millions of dollars every year, they fawn all over college coaches getting paid millions of dollars, and wine and dine AD's and conference commissioners. Meanwhile student athletes might get books, tuition, a place to sleep and if they're lucky 3 squares a day. Jay might want to start there if he really wants to crusade.
Maybe Jay can voluntarily forgo his ESPN salary and request that ESPN use it to start a foundation to support uncompensated student athletes.
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should shut his rough ridin' face until he starts giving people his own money.
-
We are still talking about this? :confused: :confused:
-
We are still talking about this? :confused: :confused:
yes
-
We are still talking about this? :confused: :confused:
yes
BUT IT'S WOMEN'S BASKETBALL
-
Title IX bbs'n
-
But not since it's in the mbb board. But fitting nonetheless.
-
Title IX bbs'n
:dubious: Does this mean we have to talk about our equestrian team too?
-
get out of here catz
-
get out of here catz
:buh-bye:
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should shut his rough ridin' face until he starts giving people his own money.
I didn't say he had to give any money he earns from his legal profession. Just don't get out there and get up on your effing pulpit while pulling down $500K plus from an entity that made its bones off the back of unpaid student athletes.
This is not hard Chief Illiniwek
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should shut his rough ridin' face until he starts giving people his own money.
I didn't say he had to give any money he earns from his legal profession. Just don't get out there and get up on your effing pulpit while pulling down $500K plus from an entity that made its bones off the back of unpaid student athletes.
This is not hard Chief Illiniwek
ESPN covers sports. All kinds of sports, most of which aren't NCAA. I don't really think your charge of hypocrisy against Mr. Bilas is particularly compelling, either.
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should shut his rough ridin' face until he starts giving people his own money.
I didn't say he had to give any money he earns from his legal profession. Just don't get out there and get up on your effing pulpit while pulling down $500K plus from an entity that made its bones off the back of unpaid student athletes.
This is not hard Chief Illiniwek
ESPN covers sports. All kinds of sports, most of which aren't NCAA. I don't really think your charge of hypocrisy against Mr. Bilas is particularly compelling, either.
All you have to do is watch the 30 for 30 about the old Big East, it makes it abundantly clear that college sports was the driver that put ESPN in a position to do what they do today.
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should shut his rough ridin' face until he starts giving people his own money.
I didn't say he had to give any money he earns from his legal profession. Just don't get out there and get up on your effing pulpit while pulling down $500K plus from an entity that made its bones off the back of unpaid student athletes.
This is not hard Chief Illiniwek
ESPN covers sports. All kinds of sports, most of which aren't NCAA. I don't really think your charge of hypocrisy against Mr. Bilas is particularly compelling, either.
All you have to do is watch the 30 for 30 about the old Big East, it makes it abundantly clear that college sports was the driver that put ESPN in a position to do what they do today.
Sounds legit
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should get the eff out of college sports before he starts talking about them. Don't put your dick in the pie and tell me about the pie Jay Bilas.
-
It's one thing to get your dick out. Subsequently putting it in a pie is crossing the line.
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should get the eff out of college sports before he starts talking about them. Don't put your dick in the pie and tell me about the pie Jay Bilas.
I guess I'll never get why the Chief Illiniwek fan is so butthurt about this issue and John Currie.
Just . . . kind of . . . weird.
I didn't say Bilas should get the eff out of college sports.
Here's a guy who gets paid $500K plus a year, who is surrounded by ESPN college sports talking heads who get paid 6 and 7 figure salaries at a network who pays conferences and schools millions of dollars every year. A network that wines and dines coaches and commissioners who get paid 7 figure salaries. A network that for years after it started didn't have major league pro sports and thus got to their position to be able to buy the rights to professional sports by broadcasting copious amounts of college sports. College sports that had uncompensated student athletes. So, like some others on here, I'm not buying Bilas' shtick, and if he's so concerned about the uncompensated mistreated college athlete he can put his money where his mouth is and take his ESPN salary and start a student athlete foundation. If you can't get or understand that (and look I know Chief Illiniwek fan and Spracne got some plaudits from the local youngster Agendites and thus they need to feel they're part of the band as well) than you're just choosing to be dumb.
It had to be said.
-
Yeah Jay Bilas should get the eff out of college sports before he starts talking about them. Don't put your dick in the pie and tell me about the pie Jay Bilas.
I guess I'll never get why the Chief Illiniwek fan is so butthurt about this issue and John Currie.
Just . . . kind of . . . weird.
I didn't say Bilas should get the eff out of college sports.
Here's a guy who gets paid $500K plus a year, who is surrounded by ESPN college sports talking heads who get paid 6 and 7 figure salaries at a network who pays conferences and schools millions of dollars every year. A network that wines and dines coaches and commissioners who get paid 7 figure salaries. A network that for years after it started didn't have major league pro sports and thus got to their position to be able to buy the rights to professional sports by broadcasting copious amounts of college sports. College sports that had uncompensated student athletes. So, like some others on here, I'm not buying Bilas' shtick, and if he's so concerned about the uncompensated mistreated college athlete he can put his money where his mouth is and take his ESPN salary and start a student athlete foundation. If you can't get or understand that (and look I know Chief Illiniwek fan and Spracne got some plaudits from the local youngster Agendites and thus they need to feel they're part of the band as well) than you're just choosing to be dumb.
It had to be said.
i've been trying to pronounce this in my head for 5 minutes and i'm just stumped
-
It's fair to point out that the NCAA, in its current form, has made Jay Bilas, esq. a wealthy guy. He isn't covering the NFL for espn.
-
It is. And ESPECIALLY given the way he preaches about ethics. Maybe that's why he's so passionate on the topic. Feels guilty.
-
/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).
:sdeek:
funny how much the a.d. wants romero to now go to n colorado so the world can finally see what a whore she is.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sports-logos-screensavers.com%2Fuser%2FFlorida_State_Seminoles.jpg&hash=2d2b84ef0ac9fb215f0d83fb175dcd76433fb527)
-
semrau runs a true "player's system" down there at fsu
-
Closer to Spain.
-
/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).
:sdeek:
funny how much the a.d. wants romero to now go to n colorado so the world can finally see what a whore she is.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sports-logos-screensavers.com%2Fuser%2FFlorida_State_Seminoles.jpg&hash=2d2b84ef0ac9fb215f0d83fb175dcd76433fb527)
man. remember four years ago when captain crap would provide scoops and was a great poster and not some rando just trying to push AD agenda. those were the days. like belushi/snl or eddie murphy/snl or will ferrell/snl or whatever depending on when you were born. oh well.
-
is captain crap coming to fattyfest?
can his +1 be currie?
-
is captain crap coming to fattyfest?
can his +1 be currie?
Would be great
-
I'm not going down in that basement with someone like you
-
I'm not going down in that basement with someone like you
:lol:
-
http://instagram.com/p/pvF975CdN1/
:surprised:
:lol:
-
SCREEN SHOT IT AND POST ON TAPATALK
-
omg, Jay! :love:
-
took me a while (too long, really) to figure out why it was in this thread. :lol:
-
Well, now we all know why Jayhawk Bilas was giving our school so much crap over this transfer situation. Nothing to see here, folks. Just another squawk butthurt over titletown.
-
SCREEN SHOT IT AND POST ON TAPATALK
I went into the page source to grab the file. Instagram can't hold me back:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos-b.ak.instagram.com%2Fhphotos-ak-xpf1%2F10483583_246505288876105_1025132064_n.jpg&hash=1894969271232ea22b0fcae3c322df78ee5b50ff)
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com%2Fpics33%2F1024%2FZQ%2FZQRBNXXJKHKATSY.20141224164212.jpg&hash=b598822311ad7904aeee6576ec7a4aafed5cd7f2)
http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=209821295
-
:love:
-
I thought Kris Humphries played for the Wizards?
-
Letie doesn't play here anymore.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com%2Fpics33%2F1024%2FZQ%2FZQRBNXXJKHKATSY.20141224164212.jpg&hash=b598822311ad7904aeee6576ec7a4aafed5cd7f2)
http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=209821295
January 2nd @ #2 Notre Dame