one year delayed, eh cap'n?

[Branson Bound]

I ate horse meat in Spain once. HORSE MEAT!

 

Those spanish must be hungry folks.

[Branson Bound]

Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result.  There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now.  Go Cats!

Would argue that the University side is where the incompetency resides. Their committee denied the appeal despite a recommendation from the AthDept that she be released. They then refused any attempts by AthDept to override that ruling. They allowed confidential letters to leak. They put out a pissing-contest statement about how they are bigger than Athletics and their word is final. And throughout, they displayed a sad amount of public and private ignorance of how the world was viewing their actions.

Mistakes AthDept made were not doing a better job of publicly commenting on the reasons for the initial delay, and the Compliance Dept making a clerical error by misreading a name on a list. I understand the silence being based on a very real concern over student privacy, especially when dealing with a student who proves litigious. But the "cone of silence" approach, whether by Currie's advising or not, only served to allow Romero and her coaches to be the only people talking.

But the whole thing could have been resolved long ago without the University side stubbornly resisting any common sense exceptions to "policy", and in so doing, make K-State as a whole look like idiots.

Sounds like K-State is as stubburn as a mule. They best watch out around this spanish girl.

[ChiComCat]

Transfer?  Get a story in the national media and then we'll talk

[captaincrap]

it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block. By the time it went in front of the committee Athletics was comfortable in how that stuff was being addressed, and so recommended the committee grant a release. Committee thought differently. Proved difficult for Athletics to fix that.

[0.42]

Regardless of what "side" you were were during this ordeal, we can undoubtedly ALL agree that the KSU Athletic Department looks giant a bunch of enormously incompetent assholes as a result.  There are no winners, except for the player who does indeed get her full release, and that coach who left who will probably land Leti now.  Go Cats!

Would argue that the University side is where the incompetency resides. Their committee denied the appeal despite a recommendation from the AthDept that she be released. They then refused any attempts by AthDept to override that ruling. They allowed confidential letters to leak. They put out a pissing-contest statement about how they are bigger than Athletics and their word is final. And throughout, they displayed a sad amount of public and private ignorance of how the world was viewing their actions.

Mistakes AthDept made were not doing a better job of publicly commenting on the reasons for the initial delay, and the Compliance Dept making a clerical error by misreading a name on a list. I understand the silence being based on a very real concern over student privacy, especially when dealing with a student who proves litigious. But the "cone of silence" approach, whether by Currie's advising or not, only served to allow Romero and her coaches to be the only people talking.

But the whole thing could have been resolved long ago without the University side stubbornly resisting any common sense exceptions to "policy", and in so doing, make K-State as a whole look like idiots.

thanks cap'n

[ChiComCat]

The ESPN article says embarrassing a lot

[hatingfrancisco]

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.

Obviously not.  Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.

Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.

[captaincrap]

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.

Obviously not.  Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.

Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.

Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?

[hatingfrancisco]

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.

Obviously not.  Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.

Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.

Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?

Well, mainly this:

[captaincrap]

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.

Obviously not.  Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.

Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.

Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?

Well, mainly this:

Ah, figured as much. Please find me the quote from that letter where it says an investigation found no tampering.

[Dugout DickStone]

It is a stone cold fact that we won 3 big 12 trophies, there they are at the bottom, BIG AS LIFE

[hatingfrancisco]

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block.

Obviously not.  Seeing as how the facts seemed to say there wasn't any tampering.

Unless Currie was playing mind games with Leti and he got burned by it.

Where are you getting your "facts" about no tampering being found?

Well, mainly this:

Ah, figured as much. Please find me the quote from that letter where it says an investigation found no tampering.

Look.  I get it.  Either there was tampering or there wasn't is what I am guessing the appeals committee is saying.  Currie put Leti in this position and then tried as hard as he could to make it look as though the University itself was the reason she was denied. 

Was there tampering?  Currie says yes in the beginning.  But then says he learned new facts?  Seems like a Yes or No question.

[michigancat]

The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.

[theKSU]

My guess at what happened:
1. Leti gets shopped by Deb and staff
2. Currie knows about it
3. Romero asks for release
4. Release denied
5. Romero goes to the media
6. Currie digs in
7. Appeal denied
8. Jay Bilas et al cause shitstorm
9. Currie thinks this looks bad, Kirk is befuddled, Uni PR is incompetent
10. Finally Kirk makes it happen due to media pressure

[captaincrap]

Like I said, there was enough evidence of "Stuff" happening that a block was understandable. After the appeal was denied, the letter from Currie spelled out that Athletics was comfortable with how the "Stuff" was handled; and that they have Romero on record saying she wasn't shopped, won't go to Northern Colorado, etc; and that Mittie and the team just want it over with, etc. Never said there wasn't tampering, just that the Department recommends a release.

This tampering stuff is beside the point -- that the University did a very poor job. Athletics isn't blameless, but the point where this all became a clownshow can be traced to the campus committee not heeding Athletics' recommendation to release her.

[captaincrap]

The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.

You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.

[captaincrap]

My guess at what happened:
1. Leti gets shopped by Deb and staff
2. Currie knows about it
3. Romero asks for release
4. Release denied
5. Romero goes to the media
6. Currie recommends a release
7. Appeal denied
8. Jay Bilas et al cause shitstorm
9. Currie thinks this looks bad, Uni PR is befuddled / incompetent
10. Finally Currie/KSA Board make it happen, despite university attempts to prevent it

FIFY

[hatingfrancisco]

Athletics isn't blameless, but the point where this all became a clownshow can be traced to the campus committee not heeding Athletics' recommendation to release her.

And my point is it wouldn't have even gotten that far if Currie didn't try to heavy hand Leti from the get go. 

[michigancat]

The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.

You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.

So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?

[captaincrap]

The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.

You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.

So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?

Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.

[sonofdaxjones]

it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block. By the time it went in front of the committee Athletics was comfortable in how that stuff was being addressed, and so recommended the committee grant a release. Committee thought differently. Proved difficult for Athletics to fix that.

This all has a familiar ring to it.   

-Romero asks for transfer release

-Athletics feels like there's shenanigans, puts the brakes on a transfer (as they should always do in such situations)

-Leti claims she's being held hostage/goes public.

-While Leti is running to the media and lawyers, athletics is properly vetting the situation, determines that shenanigans have been mitigated, recommends to committee that Leti be given release. 

-Committee ignores recommendation of Athletics to release. 

-Athletics bound by committee decision. 

-Athletics gets policy amended via the proper procedural process

-Athletics releases Leti

[captaincrap]

it could have also been avoided by currie doing some legwork before denying her initial request and therefore never would have been sent downstream to the committee.

Meh, enough stuff was proven by multiple parties to warrant a block. By the time it went in front of the committee Athletics was comfortable in how that stuff was being addressed, and so recommended the committee grant a release. Committee thought differently. Proved difficult for Athletics to fix that.

This all has a familiar ring to it.   

-Romero asks for transfer release

-Athletics feels like they're shenanigans, puts the brakes on a transfer (as they should always do in such situations)

-Leti claims she's being held hostage/goes public.

-While Leti is running to the media and lawyers, athletics is properly vetting the situation, determines that shenanigans have been mitigated, recommends to committee that Leti be given release. 

-Committee ignores recommendation of Athletics to release. 

-Athletics bound by committee decision. 

-Athletics gets policy amended via the proper procedural process

-Athletics releases Leti

Pretty much. That cliffnotes is leaving out the buffoonery of clerical mistakes, pissing contest statements, and a general display of hands-over-ears. But your overall timeline is basically accurate.

I think everyone is ready to move on.

/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).

[hatingfrancisco]

/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).

 

[0.42]

/End of thread (until Leti enrolls at Northern Colorado).

 

what if leti and sams both end up at mcneese and get married and have babies that grow up to post on gE?

[michigancat]

The thing is, if there was evidence of tampering, Currie (or one of his representatives) should have met with Leti and told her they wanted to wait and see where her former coaches ended up before they reached a decision on her release. Seems completely reasonable, and could have saved a lot of embarrassment.

You can't wait, though. You have 7 days, by rule, to release or no. From Currie's point of view, within those 7 days he wasn't comfortable giving a release because of all the info he had.

So why wasn't this explained to Leti? Or was it and she's a big fat liar?

Yes, the transfer request policy and timeline was explained. It is also in the student-athlete handbook, I think.

oh, so it was in the handbook. no need for an explanation!