Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
NOT BAD!!!
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 04, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
Post by: DQ12 on October 04, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
He’s less mobile than I expected, but he seems like he could be a Klein-esque bruiser with some more time.
Right now, he’s nowhere near as good as Skylar. Encouraged about his future.
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
I thought he did a great job under the circumstances. Wasn’t perfect, but he really didn’t make any bad mistakes. Put the balls in catchable spots. The Weber and Deuce back to back drops weren’t perfect throws, but both should have been caught. Needs to keep his eyes downfield on scrambles, but that’s to be expected at his age.
He’s less mobile than I expected, but he seems like he could be a Klein-esque bruiser with some more time.
Right now, he’s nowhere near as good as Skylar. Encouraged about his future.
agree with all of that! Most kids who are 6-4 230 at age 18 or 19 probably aren't going to super nimble.
Post by: Pete on October 04, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 11:34:50 AM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Post by: ben ji on October 04, 2020, 11:40:33 AM
I am already excited for the QB Competition next year between Howard and Rubley.
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 11:46:08 AM
Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.
Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!
Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 04, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
I would think rubles has to have a better arm in terms of strength. Howard looked fine but his release looked weird and he looked way less natural throwing it then the tech backup did.To be fair the Tech backup is a redshirt junior
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
Overall, a pretty good performance for the situation. Agreed he's fairly lethargic moving, he looked in slow mo on a few attempts to escape the pocket. He's definitely pretty serviceable and should improve with getting more snaps. He had that one throw to Duece where Duece got hung out to dry (but he caught it cause Duece is amazing) but I was surprised he made the throw in that it was in traffic, that is some balls.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 01:14:09 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.
Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.
Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!
Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back
Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 04, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.
Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.
Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!
Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back
Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.
Nobody was talking about Grant Gregory ITT
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 01:57:46 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.
Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.
Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!
Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back
Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.
Nobody was talking about Grant Gregory ITT
He got hurt once and played through it, Skylar is in his fifth year of getting the crap beat out of him.
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 02:04:12 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.
Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.
Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!
Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back
Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.
Nobody was talking about Grant Gregory ITT
He got hurt once and played through it, Skylar is in his fifth year of getting the crap beat out of him.
Both physically and emotionally. He may go down as the most under appreciated good Cat athlete oat. I’ve been guilty myself.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2020, 02:09:13 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
This is why I pay for this blog.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 02:26:35 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Not surprising. He never got credit for as good of an athlete he was, doesn't translate you an effective P5 QB tho
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 04, 2020, 03:20:20 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2020, 03:21:35 PM
I’m choosing to believe Jake will take a different path than Dylan
God Damnit.
Post by: Institutional Control on October 04, 2020, 04:49:09 PM
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Post by: CHONGS on October 04, 2020, 05:23:19 PM
I believe he is going to dominate the conference and hoist a Dr Pepper.
What do YOU believe,?
Post by: Cire on October 04, 2020, 05:24:28 PM
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Post by: CHONGS on October 04, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
There is no stronger steroid than belief that the fans know you can win.
HGH is pretty good though.
Post by: ben ji on October 04, 2020, 05:30:24 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!
This was a little before my time so I had to google him. The TLDR version is he was the #2 Juco QB but got some weird stomach virus and was throwing up 35 times a day and couldnt play football again.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-29-sp-8231-story.html
Check out who the #1 Juco QB was that year!
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LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State agreed. Smith was ranked second to Brigham Young’s Steve Sarkisian among available junior college quarterbacks and Snyder guessed Smith might remind a few people of departing senior Chad May, who had just been drafted by the Minnesota Vikings.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 04, 2020, 05:35:42 PM
I’m choosing to believe Jake will take a different path than DylanDon’t you start, Buddy
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2020, 06:03:12 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 06:41:36 PM
I didn’t see anything out of Howard that makes me think he could carry this team to a win if needed. His two biggest plays were pretty easy passes to make.
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The play calling was ultra conservative until the 4th quarter. If he starts against TCU, I'm confident we'll see a less conservative game plan. Also it is very obvious the talking point that Skylar hasn't been practicing was incorrect.
Post by: schreds21 on October 04, 2020, 07:17:10 PM
And we ended up with Brian rough ridin' Kavanaugh starting insteadI'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!
This was a little before my time so I had to google him. The TLDR version is he was the #2 Juco QB but got some weird stomach virus and was throwing up 35 times a day and couldnt play football again.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-29-sp-8231-story.html
Check out who the #1 Juco QB was that year!QuoteLHC LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State agreed. Smith was ranked second to Brigham Young’s Steve Sarkisian among available junior college quarterbacks and Snyder guessed Smith might remind a few people of departing senior Chad May, who had just been drafted by the Minnesota Vikings.
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2020, 07:34:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
And we ended up with Brian rough ridin' Kavanaugh starting insteadI'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!
This was a little before my time so I had to google him. The TLDR version is he was the #2 Juco QB but got some weird stomach virus and was throwing up 35 times a day and couldnt play football again.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-29-sp-8231-story.html
Check out who the #1 Juco QB was that year!QuoteLHC LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State agreed. Smith was ranked second to Brigham Young’s Steve Sarkisian among available junior college quarterbacks and Snyder guessed Smith might remind a few people of departing senior Chad May, who had just been drafted by the Minnesota Vikings.
Bruh, he played for a year and a game and went 10-3 in that time. Tough crowd.
Post by: schreds21 on October 04, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
will howard looked to be a tlb giant studNever thought he was very good. Plus he was a dick.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
will howard looked to be a tlb giant studNever thought he was very good. Plus he was a dick.
Schreds, you clearly meant to quote my post. He was decent, not great. You're right that he wasn't the most pleasant dude, but neither was Sark. Was it Darren Howard that tried to fight Sark at the end of the Cotton Bowl?
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2020, 08:36:43 PM
what did he do that was dickish?
he didnt mess up and made the plays we needed to win as a freshman, playing unexpectedly, from behind, surrounded by dubious talent
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 08:56:15 PM
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
cut in line at derby dining hall?
social media stuff? subtweet, etc?
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
i wanna know what will howard did to schreds. dustup in the dillons parking lot?He may have been referring to Brian Kavanaugh or Cody Lee Smith! Can't tell!
cut in line at derby dining hall?
social media stuff? subtweet, etc?
Post by: schreds21 on October 04, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
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Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 09:50:42 AM
Howard seemed to be good at staying in the pocket when the pocket got scary. Which is pretty unique for someone that age. Or his peripheral vision just sucks. Who knows!Yeah there was one in the third quarter when it looked like he just didn't see the rush. But not unexpected!
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Post by: pissclams on October 05, 2020, 10:51:35 AM
what else can you do, play 2 hand touch?
imo sky will be back under center next week ready to command his troops to wildcat victory formation
Post by: DQ12 on October 05, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2020, 11:02:11 AM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2020, 11:03:52 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 05, 2020, 11:07:27 AM
how's his scrambling ability? i missed most of the 2nd half.get out the sundial for his 40
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 12:10:56 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
Post by: meow meow on October 05, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 05, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
Yes. I've described Skylar as "seviceable" in the past (which I think is better than "average"). He's played good-great this year though, and our team would be considerably worse without him.If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
Post by: catastrophe on October 05, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
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Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 01:03:03 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc
:dunno:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 01:16:01 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc
:dunno:
That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 01:17:58 PM
The whole "if Skylar's healthy" talking point it moot because he's not. This is Will Howard's job for at least the next week or two, and hopefully he plays well enough to earn the job full time.
You know something? KSO is having a good old fashioned source off with everything from returning to practice tomorrow to out for the season. I can't imagine that anyone would have anything definitive before this morning at the absolute earliest.
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc
:dunno:
That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:
Post by: Cire on October 05, 2020, 01:48:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 02:14:42 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc
:dunno:
That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:
This is a master class in not admitting you were wrong, which is surprising for you. 5th in the conference, okay. The Big 12 has been known for having the best offenses in the country. 37th out of 122 nor is 18th of 76 considered average. Come on man, he's above players considered sure NFL draft picks on both lists.
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc
:dunno:
That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:
This is a master class in not admitting you were wrong, which is surprising for you. 5th in the conference, okay. The Big 12 has been known for having the best offenses in the country. 37th out of 122 nor is 18th of 76 considered average. Come on man, he's above players considered sure NFL draft picks on both lists.
I'll concede he's above average across college football and an average starting Big 12 QB. I can't believe that's controversial but won't argue it any more.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 02:31:41 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!
I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc
:dunno:
That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:
This is a master class in not admitting you were wrong, which is surprising for you. 5th in the conference, okay. The Big 12 has been known for having the best offenses in the country. 37th out of 122 nor is 18th of 76 considered average. Come on man, he's above players considered sure NFL draft picks on both lists.
I'll concede he's above average across college football and an average starting Big 12 QB. I can't believe that's controversial but won't argue it any more.
Accurate! Like I said, there are a lot of trash quarterbacks in college football. You know what conference has sneaky poop QB play? SEC SEC SEC
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 05, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
Post by: nicname on October 05, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should. Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings. We can do some really nice things this year. Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better). Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness.
Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development. I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."
Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.
Excellent thoughts from one of the premiere retired college football journalists out there. Not hard to see why you’ve always been so respected in the field.
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 04:47:35 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 05, 2020, 10:46:59 PM
All aboard the Howard bandwagon.
Post by: bucket on October 05, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
I'd say Sky is a below average QB for someone who is in his third year starting.
All aboard the Howard bandwagon.
nitpicking
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2020, 01:31:46 AM
I'd say Sky is a below average QB for someone who is in his third year starting.
All aboard the Howard bandwagon.
This is stupid, like all of it, dumb.
Post by: stunted on October 06, 2020, 05:29:55 AM
Post by: KST8FAN on October 06, 2020, 09:41:39 PM
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Post by: KST8FAN on October 07, 2020, 09:14:53 AM
Skylar has over 5000 passing yards and 1000 rushing yards as a QB. While that hasn't always equated to wins like we've wanted it to, how anyone can call that average is beyond me.
Broadcast had a graphic last week. Sky and El Roberson are the only 2 KState QBs to have 5k passing and 1k rushing in a career. El's numbers are 5k and 2k, but that's still pretty good company.
Tom
Post by: GregKSU1027 on October 07, 2020, 09:16:41 AM
Taking mental snaps. Ya, ok, Kli. You're just keeping Sweaty Gary guessing. :)Gary has to bring three shirts to the office just to be dry for the walk to the car, then when he gets home he has to put the shirt on that he keeps in his car for the walk inside. The guy's laundry has to be awful.
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Post by: Cire on October 07, 2020, 05:48:35 PM
Great kid. Glad he’s ours
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Post by: IPA4Me on October 12, 2020, 10:47:14 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
Post by: Trim on October 12, 2020, 10:52:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.
yep, sucks for Sky. A dr. pepper this season wouldn't have really counted anyway.
would Sky come back next season? Pre-injury I heard our guy Keitz talk to Kevin Lockett like it's a given that he'll come back.
Post by: chum1 on October 12, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
Post by: Katpappy on October 12, 2020, 11:08:53 AM
Deuce should always have been the QB.
5'6" QB :lol: :ROFL: :ksu:
Post by: CHONGS on October 12, 2020, 11:09:28 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 12, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
He seems like the perfect candidate to do it. Good enough to help a team and potentially having draft stock but not good enough to get any sort of look this year, regardless of injury.That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.
yep, sucks for Sky. A dr. pepper this season wouldn't have really counted anyway.
would Sky come back next season? Pre-injury I heard our guy Keitz talk to Kevin Lockett like it's a given that he'll come back.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 11:20:19 AM
That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.
yep, sucks for Sky. A dr. pepper this season wouldn't have really counted anyway.
would Sky come back next season? Pre-injury I heard our guy Keitz talk to Kevin Lockett like it's a given that he'll come back.
First of all, I don't think kkk has any idea. I've heard people much closer to the day-to-do day of the program think there was no chance, pre-season injury of course.
I think a 6th year, with the injuries he's had, is a big ask. Also remember, he still needs to be in school, he can't just be a football player. I also think the nature of the injury will come into play. If he has pins in his throwing shoulder, that's going to be a long term problem.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 12, 2020, 11:57:02 AM
Did it end up being a broken collar bone?Specific injury wasn't released. They just called it an upper body injury.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2020, 12:08:01 PM
Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.
Post by: Trim on October 12, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
Deuce should always have been the QB.
5'6" QB :lol: :ROFL: :ksu:
If he was the QB, that would remove all roadblocks to him getting the ball other than the center correctly getting it between his legs.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 12, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.
Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.
If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2020, 12:29:46 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.
Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.
If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.
Sure, I also don't think that'll happen either :dunno:
We're going to have great opportunities to win WVU, Baylor, and as always, ISU. And I don't think we'll be hapless against texas or okie st but those are going to probably be losses. Given the fluid nature of everything this season, it's hard for me to think ku will be the last win we'll get.
Post by: chum1 on October 12, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 12:33:02 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.
Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.
If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.
Sure, I also don't think that'll happen either :dunno:
We're going to have great opportunities to win WVU, Baylor, and as always, ISU. And I don't think we'll be hapless against texas or okie st but those are going to probably be losses. Given the fluid nature of everything this season, it's hard for me to think ku will be the last win we'll get.
I don't think the QBs of any of those five teams will play close to as poorly as Duggan played on Saturday.
Post by: meow meow on October 12, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 01:04:40 PM
Duggan had a qbr of 44.1 and Downing had a qbr of 0.3, not a typo or a BAL, I'll also guarantee that every non KU team we play won't have two quarterbacks play that poorly. To put that 44.1 and 0.3 in perspective, Howard had a 72.8.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 12, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 12, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2020, 01:28:28 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.
Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.
If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.
Sure, I also don't think that'll happen either :dunno:
We're going to have great opportunities to win WVU, Baylor, and as always, ISU. And I don't think we'll be hapless against texas or okie st but those are going to probably be losses. Given the fluid nature of everything this season, it's hard for me to think ku will be the last win we'll get.
I don't think the QBs of any of those five teams will play close to as poorly as Duggan played on Saturday.
That probably is true, but I don't think we'll stagnate, I was pretty critical of our o-line, and while they still aren't great, they are significantly better, and IMO Will had an ok game, and if he's worth anything he'll improve. I don't expect us to hold teams to 14 points, and I don't expect our offense only score 14 points save like osu and maybe texas.
I like that he has the bye week and ku after to help really get him integrated. Plus the TCU game under his belt. I think he'll end up being serviceable.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
I actually like our chances against Texas. That'll be the last game of the year, Herman will have been canned, and the UT team will just be wanting to go home.
Post by: meow meow on October 12, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
I will go on record right now and say that, excluding KU, our defense will allow more than 14 points every single game the rest of the regular season.
Duggan had a qbr of 44.1 and Downing had a qbr of 0.3, not a typo or a BAL, I'll also guarantee that every non KU team we play won't have two quarterbacks play that poorly. To put that 44.1 and 0.3 in perspective, Howard had a 72.8.
i'm showing Duggan had a rating of 103.0 and Howard 83.3. either way, that's a qb with some experience that was clearly rattled. won't happen every game, but there's not any great qb's in this league, so i think our defense will take some pressure off of Howard.
Post by: pissclams on October 12, 2020, 01:51:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 02:26:51 PM
Except Bazooka Joe had Snyder and Howard has Klieman. Klieman already has a better resume on QB development.
And Bazooka Joe was super old
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 02:28:50 PM
I will go on record right now and say that, excluding KU, our defense will allow more than 14 points every single game the rest of the regular season.
Duggan had a qbr of 44.1 and Downing had a qbr of 0.3, not a typo or a BAL, I'll also guarantee that every non KU team we play won't have two quarterbacks play that poorly. To put that 44.1 and 0.3 in perspective, Howard had a 72.8.
i'm showing Duggan had a rating of 103.0 and Howard 83.3. either way, that's a qb with some experience that was clearly rattled. won't happen every game, but there's not any great qb's in this league, so i think our defense will take some pressure off of Howard.
Those are passer ratings
Post by: nicname on October 12, 2020, 02:56:45 PM
It will also be interesting to see if a “TCU” effect begins to occur for our opponents the following week. We hit hard and tough people up. A lot of guys aren’t used to that these days.
Post by: DQ12 on October 12, 2020, 04:57:49 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 12, 2020, 05:43:50 PM
13-2 last year, district title (first in 14 years), and a trip to the semi-finals. He's 16 for 32, 314 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT in 1.5 games this year. Small sample size, but that ain't bad for getting thrown in on short notice. He probably had less than 50 live snaps with the first team in practice until the week leading up to the TCU game when the coaching staff knew Thompson was done. TCU corners are aggressive and our wideouts were not doing Howard any favors getting open or catching the ball. I expect two weeks of practice and a nice game against KU will get his mojo and confidence up. Howard will prove he is the future this season.
All bets are off if we try to turn him into a battering ram. That nonsense needs to stop.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 12, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
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Post by: ben ji on October 12, 2020, 09:34:52 PM
He's going to be good. Three weeks with the first team and a game against KU should give him the confidence he needs to take us all the way. :emawkid:
Yeah, I am fully expecting him to look like an absolute stud against bball aggie and I will get my hopes up really high that maybe we can still make the dr pepper but then he will look like a true freshman QB against coal aggie or tboone aggie.
Post by: DQ12 on October 12, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
Post by: nicname on October 12, 2020, 11:12:57 PM
Being a “winner” doesn’t mean crap
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It means a lot.
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 11:18:49 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 12, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
He's going to be good. Three weeks with the first team and a game against KU should give him the confidence he needs to take us all the way. :emawkid:
Yeah, I am fully expecting him to look like an absolute stud against bball aggie and I will get my hopes up really high that maybe we can still make the dr pepper but then he will look like a true freshman QB against coal aggie or tboone aggie.
I certainly don't expect him to be perfect, but from what little we've seen so far, he has good instincts and is a more accurate thrower than Thompson. Yes, I would feel much better with Skylar starting, but I have high hopes!
Post by: waks on October 12, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 11:59:56 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 13, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
TBH he hasn't shown he can do anything better than Skylar, yet.
Stay healthy.
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 13, 2020, 11:09:08 AM
Also I haven't seen CK use quarterbacks as bartering rams. They definite use qb runs but not like a tonNone of the QBs are CK or ER or MB, either. But then again that didn't deter Snyder.
Post by: _33 on October 13, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 13, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
He seems to put a nice 'touch' on his throws. Has anyone else noticed the 'touch' he puts on his throws? I could be wrong.
Dropped a dime into Sammy Wheeler that should have counted if not for the shitty refs.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 13, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 13, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2020, 04:05:11 PM
Post by: bucket on October 13, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
He seems to put a nice 'touch' on his throws. Has anyone else noticed the 'touch' he puts on his throws? I could be wrong.
Dropped a dime into Sammy Wheeler that should have counted if not for the shitty refs.
So many drops in that TCU game by our WR's. I'm sure Skylar has had to deal with drops too, but it really stood out to me against TCU.
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2020, 11:07:58 PM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside. From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there. Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.Throws to the sideline are harder.
Post by: meow meow on October 14, 2020, 08:57:33 AM
Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2020, 09:19:50 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 14, 2020, 09:29:28 AM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside. From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there. Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.Throws to the sideline are harder.
and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
Post by: michigancat on October 14, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
And glhe was really close to a pick six SaturdayWill Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside. From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there. Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.Throws to the sideline are harder.
and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
Post by: purplehaze on October 14, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside. From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there. Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.Throws to the sideline are harder.
and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
He had the nice quick out to Bash on 3rd down vs TT, but I bet the coaches were limiting out routes with TCU due to the chance of pick-6s. He is throwing the seam well. The touch throw to Deuce that went for 45 showed great arm strength- running backwards to his left, threw off his back foot while being tackled, and effortlessly lofted it 25yds right over the LB and beneath the safety. That play has me incredibly excited about his ability.
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
And glhe was really close to a pick six SaturdayWill Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside. From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there. Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.Throws to the sideline are harder.
and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
I was shocked that dude didn’t get there in time, thought for sure it was going to the house.
Post by: nicname on October 15, 2020, 11:40:10 PM
What a boss.
Post by: chum1 on October 24, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on October 24, 2020, 02:40:54 PM
Post by: kashi1965 on October 24, 2020, 02:45:13 PM
Their QB has a gun and made a lot more impressive throws today. KSU won today because of coaching and other positions. Not because their QB was so much better than Ku's
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 03:07:57 PM
he's got the worst arm strength i've seen in a P5 QB in a while
Wait what
Post by: cfbandyman on October 24, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
he's got the worst arm strength i've seen in a P5 QB in a while
Wait what
I think Will must've slept with kashi's gf or something
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Post by: kashi1965 on October 24, 2020, 04:47:06 PM
i give him credit for not losing the game with turnovers and putting a couple passes in good positions to be caught. But he threw more passes that were not accurate or wobbly than he threw good passes.
its possible to be a fan and still be honest about our players. We dont have to be homers to be fans. Even the KSU coaches mentioned Will's lack of passing last week and blamed it on bad footwork. He does get more pressure because the OL sucks but he apparently doesn't have the arm strength to throw it without proper follow thru
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Just another Saturday of Howard helping Cats win and kashi taking a crap on him.
Carry on.
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Waiting on Pete and MIR crap talking, like on the last game.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 24, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Howard didn't win this game. the team did. and no one can honestly watch his game and say he has good arm strength. even my teenage daughters sat there commenting about the difference in the looks of the passes between the opposing QBs today.
i give him credit for not losing the game with turnovers and putting a couple passes in good positions to be caught. But he threw more passes that were not accurate or wobbly than he threw good passes.
its possible to be a fan and still be honest about our players. We dont have to be homers to be fans. Even the KSU coaches mentioned Will's lack of passing last week and blamed it on bad footwork. He does get more pressure because the OL sucks but he apparently doesn't have the arm strength to throw it without proper follow thru
You’ve picked a weird hill to die on, but at least you died
Post by: ben ji on October 24, 2020, 07:55:05 PM
I admire kashi’s dedication to the role. Someone has to play the heel
Agreed.
Wacky played this role great for 8+ years but now he as a kid and more important things to do than troll on a KSU Wildcats BBS so I'm glad kashi is here.
Post by: ben ji on October 24, 2020, 07:57:23 PM
Was he amazing and the reason we won the game? NO
Did he do anything to cost us the game like throw a screen pass across his body off his back foot that was pick 6'd? NO
He is a true freshman who can't even grow real facial hair...he did great today.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
Especially with a garbage oline
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It’s hard to defend Leveston at LT but I’m not sure this OL is all that bad as the season progresses. Pretty excited about this position group in the next few years.
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Post by: Cire on October 24, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Mostly levestonEspecially with a garbage oline
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It’s hard to defend Leveston at LT but I’m not sure this OL is all that bad as the season progresses. Pretty excited about this position group in the next few years.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2020, 08:36:24 PM
Especially with a garbage oline
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It’s hard to defend Leveston at LT but I’m not sure this OL is all that bad as the season progresses. Pretty excited about this position group in the next few years.
It makes me so sad that Katori is playing as awful as he has been all season. I had high hopes for him since he had that commitment tweet in the cowboy hat. He was out with the 2s today, so baring injury, I think he's done as a starter.
The o line isn't terrible, they've been getting better. As I told y'all when it happened, most of the issues against Arkansas State were attributed to Noah Johnson getting hurt.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2020, 10:31:59 PM
I do not pay attention to any individual ol's during games
I don't really either but Katori has like 10 penalties this year, not an exaggeration and he spent the first four games constantly getting beat. With losing Noah Johnson, I just figured that losing your starting center in the first quarter of the season in which you're returning no starters couldn't be good.
Post by: DQ12 on October 24, 2020, 10:48:56 PM
Howard is a true freshman with some good tools, and he's playing like a true freshman with some good tools. His arm strength doesn't concern me at all. I think it's "fine" at worst.
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
I mean his arm is kind of weak
Is it though? I mean they aren't having him throw many out routes but it seems fine going vertical. I will hear reasonable arguments on both sides.
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 11:06:25 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.
He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2020, 12:09:48 AM
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.
I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.
He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2020, 12:19:12 AM
:comehere:The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.
I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.
He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.
Even with Colin Klein as QB coach I don't think we'll have anymore battering ram QBs'.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 25, 2020, 12:19:27 AM
:comehere:The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.
I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.
He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.
Yeah, rewatching some of the highlights, his TD to Moore for example was like super floaty, but his throw to Taylor for basically a TD was damn good. There were a few times I did notice he never even look at his check down to Deuce, but that is w/e.
He's got poise, the first half was not great for him, but then again with all the special teams and defensive TDs the offense never really got a chance to do anything. Halftime was a great reset for the team and they came out and did whatever they wanted in the 3rd.
After TT beating WV, they got a good shot of running this to 5-0 in the conference, and then after that vs OSU, just throw the kitchen sink at them, who knows.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2020, 02:32:38 AM
:comehere:The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.
I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.
He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.
I don't think he looks like he has a rocket arm either but that's what the coaches were telling the media even going back to August.
Post by: Spaces on October 25, 2020, 08:17:49 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2020, 08:18:48 AM
:comehere:The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.
I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.
He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.
I don't think he looks like he has a rocket arm either but that's what the coaches were telling the media even going back to August.
I just think the staff just likes to hype the qbs and make them feel great. I would do the same. That would be a stressful position and not thinking that the staff 100% loved you and were all your biggest fan would suck. His arm is perfectly fine but I bet it’s in the lower half of P5 qbs in terms of strength.
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Effective canon? Josh.
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Post by: Cire on October 25, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
Levestons issue is he can’t move. He’s stuck in cement all the time
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Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshmanYes, I think this is the most valuable part of his game FOR THIS TEAM. Like just flop out little ducks to a wide open Deuce all day, young man. Just throw it out of bounds if there's someone close to him and tuck the ball if you're about to get sacked
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Post by: ben ji on October 25, 2020, 11:10:43 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshmanYes, I think this is the most valuable part of his game FOR THIS TEAM. Like just flop out little ducks to a wide open Deuce all day, young man. Just throw it out of bounds if there's someone close to him and tuck the ball if you're about to get sacked
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Can we all just take a moment to LOL at KU's true freshman QB throwing a no look wounded duck screen pass off his back foot? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gawd, so glad we have a super smart/mature true freshman who knows that its really bad to turn the ball over and works to avoid doing it.
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshmanYes, I think this is the most valuable part of his game FOR THIS TEAM. Like just flop out little ducks to a wide open Deuce all day, young man. Just throw it out of bounds if there's someone close to him and tuck the ball if you're about to get sacked
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Having two good pass catching TE’s and an elite pass catching RB is the absolute best thing for young William.
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2020, 03:07:32 PM
so please, stop questioning this man’s arm
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2020, 03:31:01 PM
TALK TO THE HAND
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Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2020, 11:28:06 PM
I’m not sure a non garbage game against the worst team in college football should garner this much excitement. Let’s see how our offense looks against wvu before we anoint him a five year starter and better than skyler. Wvu d is legit pretty good. I hope I’m wrong but I smell a 20-10 type game headed our way next weekend.
A 20-10 type loss fits right into my excitement/expectation level
Post by: waks on October 26, 2020, 12:49:01 AM
I’m not sure a non garbage game against the worst team in college football should garner this much excitement. Let’s see how our offense looks against wvu before we anoint him a five year starter and better than skyler. Wvu d is legit pretty good. I hope I’m wrong but I smell a 20-10 type game headed our way next weekend.Leave it to Officer Daris to take the wind right out of our sails :jerk:
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Tech beat WVU on saturday. Seems like a game we can win. :dunno:
That's how I felt after seeing the final score for that one. We got a decent chance
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2020, 09:07:06 AM
Connelly hates our guts
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Post by: Katpappy on October 26, 2020, 08:57:40 PM
if you want to disrespect will howard’s howitzer you’re going to have to do it somewhere else
TALK TO THE HAND
Love it when Clams puts the hammer down on gE for dogging on fine young QB Will Howard. :love:
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Post by: KITNfury on October 28, 2020, 12:37:14 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy. You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.I think if he can fight off Rubley, he'll be a uber (not the David Beaty kind) as an upper classman.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy. You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.I think if he can fight off Rubley, he'll be a uber (not the David Beaty kind) as an upper classman.
Rubley only ever starts a game here if Will gets hurt. He'll be gone by next December.
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Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 01:45:33 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy. You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.I think if he can fight off Rubley, he'll be a uber (not the David Beaty kind) as an upper classman.
Rubley only ever starts a game here if Will gets hurt. He'll be gone by next December.
wow that's some zeal
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
Isn’t Rubley our highest rated HS recruit since Freeman or something?
MiR watched a HS game and decided he sucks
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Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 02:53:30 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 03:01:28 PM
I think he will wait behind Will until he goes pro
2021: Redshirt
2022: get reps as First Team All Big 12 Jr. Will Howard's backup
2023: starts as a sophomore!
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 03:41:48 PM
I think he will wait behind Will until he goes pro
2021: Redshirt
2022: get reps as First Team All Big 12 Jr. Will Howard's backup
2023: starts as a sophomore!
:comeatme:
Yep he can play two years and go pro rinse repeat with our stud QB recruiting
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 28, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
you trying to say kli dog isn't recruiting guys who are bought into the wildcat way?WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
I outlined my best case scenario!
I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast
There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving
Post by: DQ12 on October 28, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 05:34:52 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
I outlined my best case scenario!
I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast
There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving
lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 06:11:09 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
I outlined my best case scenario!
I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast
There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving
lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.
no, I do not follow the rate in which qb waivers get granted. My general point stands and I agree with DLew as well.
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2020, 09:41:09 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
I outlined my best case scenario!
I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast
There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving
lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.
no, I do not follow the rate in which qb waivers get granted. My general point stands and I agree with DLew as well.
One thing to keep in mind, this coach isn't a carbon copy of the Snyder ways. He'll play whoever is the better QB. It always pissed me off how Snyder would hold back talent so the more experienced player started and as a result we lost good talent. I feel confident we'll see the best QB starting next year.
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2020, 09:42:20 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 10:09:00 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
I outlined my best case scenario!
I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast
There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving
lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.
no, I do not follow the rate in which qb waivers get granted. My general point stands and I agree with DLew as well.
Well I'll tell you, because there is only one starting quarterback on each team, the transfer rates are high and waivers are almost always accepted. We're starting to see quarterbacks transfer twice.
I agree with Dlew as well. This line here makes me think he's understanding something you're taking for granted.
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Plenty of room for Rubley to come in and outplay him for the job. Do I think that's super likely? Probably not in year one.The argument isn't whether or not Rubley will be better or more talented, it will be whether or not he'll be enough better for Klieman to give him the starting job. That's a much higher standard. This isn't fantasy football and coaches with their quarterbacks, are risk averse.
If Howard finishes the season continuing his projection after three games, 60% passer, 10 yards per attempt, 3-1 touchdown ratio, 6 yards a rush, freshman Josh Freeman wouldn't be good enough to unseat him. Hell, freshman Josh Freeman needed 4 complete games to unseat Dylan Meier.
Post by: DQ12 on October 28, 2020, 10:25:04 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2020, 10:28:18 PM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.he was god awful and never won a meaningful game.
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Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 11:01:34 PM
I agree with Dlew as well. This line here makes me think he's understanding something you're taking for granted.QuotePlenty of room for Rubley to come in and outplay him for the job. Do I think that's super likely? Probably not in year one.The argument isn't whether or not Rubley will be better or more talented, it will be whether or not he'll be enough better for Klieman to give him the starting job. That's a much higher standard. This isn't fantasy football and coaches with their quarterbacks, are risk averse.
If Howard finishes the season continuing his projection after three games, 60% passer, 10 yards per attempt, 3-1 touchdown ratio, 6 yards a rush, freshman Josh Freeman wouldn't be good enough to unseat him. Hell, freshman Josh Freeman needed 4 complete games to unseat Dylan Meier.
yeah I get all that. I mean I still think Howard's most valuable asset to this team is his low-risk decision making to date. I also don't think Howard finishes the season with those stats, but if he's in the ballpark especially with low turnover numbers he'll be tough to unseat next year.
But I still don't think he'd be guaranteed to be a 4 year starter! Like TBH Sky didn't improve a ton from freshman to senior, he could have easily been unseated as a jr if someone better than Nick Ast was his backup. I mean lots of people think he should have been unseated by Howard (and I think they are wrong but you get the idea).
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 04:08:53 AM
Man that 2006 squad had an NFL QB, two NFL WR, 2 NFL RB’s, and an NFL TE. Throw in an offensive genius at the OC position too. 6 TD’s and 15 INT’s for Josh seems borderline unbelievable.
TBF, they didn't change the offense once he became the starter, that happened the next season. He was out there running the same offense Dylan was running.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 04:15:53 AM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.never won a meaningful game.
Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Post by: waks on October 29, 2020, 05:43:57 AM
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.never won a meaningful game.
Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.never won a meaningful game.
Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Only 500 or so people were left in the stadium to see that win so no one really remembers it
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2020, 07:11:30 AM
He got really good after that though.
Post by: waks on October 29, 2020, 07:21:42 AM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15. There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.I don't think anybody is arguing that he was a world-beater his freshman year, just that the assertion that he never won a meaningful game in a year that we went .500 in the Big XII is silly.
He got really good after that though.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15. There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.
He got really good after that though.
And bringing this around to what my point was, Will Howard has been very good, having the best freshman season than any K-State QB in our lifetime and he's going to be a witch for anyone to unseat.
Post by: 8manpick on October 29, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
Wow, MakeItRain watches one Iowa high school football game and decides that Jake Rubley will be the worst QB to ever play at K-State. Remarkable.He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15. There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.
He got really good after that though.
And bringing this around to what my point was, Will Howard has been very good, having the best freshman season than any K-State QB in our lifetime and he's going to be a witch for anyone to unseat.
Post by: meow meow on October 29, 2020, 04:40:05 PM
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.never won a meaningful game.
Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
yeah, but also smoked loads of cigs
Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.never won a meaningful game.
Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
yeah, but also smoked loads of cigs
I've heard from a very reliable source that he was drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes the night before the ku game :th_twocents:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 05:20:27 PM
That is the they forgot our appetizer order of qb reviewsYeah, winless against all 3 of your rivals and shitty college stats. Woof! What a shitty argument on my end.
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 06:30:22 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 29, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
I think it might
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
Yeah my take isn’t scorching or anything. I agree - Will’s done a good job so far this year, but there’s plenty of time for Rubley to unseat him over the course of their respective careers. If Rubley approached his recruitment/commitment expecting to be the day 1 starter wherever he ended up (I don’t know if that’s the case and I kind of doubt it is), he was likely going to be disappointed wherever he went.He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15. There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.
He got really good after that though.
And bringing this around to what my point was, Will Howard has been very good, having the best freshman season than any K-State QB in our lifetime and he's going to be a witch for anyone to unseat.
In any case, good problem to have.
Post by: tdaver on October 29, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?
How did you guys get this thread so far off track? CK7 is the obvious answer. He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.
Unless wetwillie just can’t spell. In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 29, 2020, 09:42:11 PM
His ability to run the ball is sneaky stout.
He’s got a stout stott.
Post by: mocat on October 29, 2020, 09:50:16 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2020, 09:57:54 PM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?
How did you guys get this thread so far off track? CK7 is the obvious answer. He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.
Unless wetwillie just can’t spell. In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]
wow, I didn't remember that game. We were tied 28-28 with 8 minutes left in the second quarter and trailed 55-28 at the half. Freeman had 478 yards passing. Unreal
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
also came across this which is very weird https://www.joebucsfan.com/2020/01/josh-freeman-and-the-fbi/
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 10:20:28 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 10:23:56 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2020, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2020, 02:09:42 AM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?
How did you guys get this thread so far off track? CK7 is the obvious answer. He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.
Unless wetwillie just can’t spell. In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]
also came across this which is very weird https://www.joebucsfan.com/2020/01/josh-freeman-and-the-fbi/
I can't imagine a more despicable species than an NFL fanatic from the tampa area. So gross.
Post by: puniraptor on October 30, 2020, 02:44:57 AM
Post by: puniraptor on October 30, 2020, 02:54:57 AM
i took a photo with freeman and grant gregory when they were loitering outside the pigaggie cotton bowl
oh yeah carson coffman was there too
Post by: DQ12 on October 30, 2020, 07:23:02 AM
Post by: 8manpick on October 30, 2020, 08:01:23 AM
Ugh... I do. My 21st birthday was the next day, and my HS buddy whose dad played at OU was in town. I was very optimistic at 28-28, and mercilessly taunted by halftime :(Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?
How did you guys get this thread so far off track? CK7 is the obvious answer. He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.
Unless wetwillie just can’t spell. In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]
wow, I didn't remember that game. We were tied 28-28 with 8 minutes left in the second quarter and trailed 55-28 at the half. Freeman had 478 yards passing. Unreal
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
also came across this which is very weird https://www.joebucsfan.com/2020/01/josh-freeman-and-the-fbi/
Post by: meow meow on October 30, 2020, 08:29:02 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 30, 2020, 08:44:38 AM
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Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 02:19:32 PM
the FBI is suggesting that officials need to wrap the football he throws with a heat shield similar to that which was used on the space shuttle. which also turns out to be the CYBORG's preferred mode of transportation.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 30, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
Post by: KITNfury on October 30, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
CYBORGs don't have bloodLCIQ
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 09:10:59 PM
it’s not blood, it’s plasmaCYBORGs don't have bloodLCIQ
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 30, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
it’s not blood, it’s plasmaCYBORGs don't have bloodLCIQ
I thought there was plasma IN blood :confused:
Post by: Katpappy on October 30, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on October 31, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshman
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Two risky throws on the first possession :blindfold:
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Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 11:45:21 AM
He has sucked crap on several passes already
Do you know how the game is played.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 31, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 31, 2020, 12:04:39 PM
What are you saying; you crap on him in the first game he started. You know the biggest nose picking nerds are first to slam the players.He’s not very good.
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
hopefully all this helps him in the future.
you can't have the worst QB in the league and make the championship game
Post by: Brock Landers on October 31, 2020, 12:22:10 PM
Post by: Trim on October 31, 2020, 12:25:06 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 31, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
He's not very good at all. we currently have the worst QB in the B12
hopefully all this helps him in the future.
you can't have the worst QB in the league and make the championship game
Did you watch the TT, TCU, or KU game? Howard has been awful this game but he isn't worse than the above 3.
Post by: kstatefreak42 on October 31, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
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Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 12:28:45 PM
yes i watched those games. that is part of the reason i say he is the worst QB in league. almost zero impressive throws this whole season. most are ducks or inaccurate. nothing against him. he isnt supposed to be playing. but its just the facts. even his complete passes are inaccurateHe's not very good at all. we currently have the worst QB in the B12
hopefully all this helps him in the future.
you can't have the worst QB in the league and make the championship game
Did you watch the TT, TCU, or KU game? Howard has been awful this game but he isn't worse than the above 3.
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 12:33:25 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 12:43:46 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2020, 12:45:14 PM
Pretty good TD pass to Knoles!!!Not bad!
Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 12:55:55 PM
Pretty good TD pass to Knoles!!!it was ok. threw it too late and WR had to stop his route to catch it which almost allowed defender to knock it away. a good throw would have lead the WR and not made him stop in his tracks. thats my point. on most of his completions they are not put in to good positions and WRs have to slow down or twist to catch them. as most freshmen except the OU guy he throws way too late as well. you can't wait until the receiver looks open.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 31, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
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Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 31, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
Should have had another pick 6 right there.Yeah. Looked like he was throwing a softball over there.
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
I'm gonna come out and say it: I don't think Will Howard finishes the season with a 3:1 TD:Int ratio
Are you counting the ones he throws to the other team?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 31, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster? Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.
I honestly think he’ll be a decent backup for rubley next year
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 31, 2020, 01:37:30 PM
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 31, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
I'm now concerned what I was hoping was poor footwork and mechanics is not the problem and that Will Howard does indeed have a weak arm. I can't figure it out.
Let me help you out, it’s all of the above
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2020, 01:40:30 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
I need to chill out. I'm to the point where when I see his face I get angry.
Yea what’s up? Did you let yourself get invested in cats football again?
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
LOL, Howard chose KSU over Harvard and Yale! That fool could have had an Ivy League degree and instead he'll be a commercial insurance salesman with a K-State degree.
V weird takes from you today, he is studying mechanical engineering
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
LOL, Howard chose KSU over Harvard and Yale! That fool could have had an Ivy League degree and instead he'll be a commercial insurance salesman with a K-State degree.
V weird takes from you today, he is studying mechanical engineering
1. I bet you he won't make it past differential equations, and will end up with a construction science degree, if he's lucky. LOTS of freshman have started out studying Engineering. LOL.
2. You think he has a shot at playing football on the next level?!?! He could have had a top Ivy degree, and passed on it.
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Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 31, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
HE STINKS
So does the entire offense
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
I'm gonna come out and say it: I don't think Will Howard finishes the season with a 3:1 TD:Int ratio
Does the pick 6 count as both?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster? Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.
I honestly think he’ll be a decent backup forrubleyThompson next year
:crossfingers:
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:47:37 PM
HE STINKS
So does the entire offense
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The receivers somehow had their worst game of the year, by far. I'd say the fact that they haven't found a single receiver who can't even play is astounding. The only receiver in the '19 and '20 classes with a catch is Keenan Garber, a Snyder recruit with 1 catch for 9 yards.
Post by: DQ12 on October 31, 2020, 02:47:57 PM
He was really bad today though.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:48:09 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
Howard may still be good! He was thrust into a really crummy situation - by that I mean he’s a true freshman playing in an offense with a below average OL and a WR Corp that sucks complete crap.Yep
He was really bad today though.
Post by: CHONGS on October 31, 2020, 02:55:41 PM
Howard may still be good! He was thrust into a really crummy situation - by that I mean he’s a true freshman playing in an offense with a below average OL and a WR Corp that sucks complete crap.I agree with this stance.
He was really bad today though.
He won a road game and has now lost one.
He has a chance to improve still, especially if he can get more decisive.
The early pick spooked (pumpkin emoji) him and he never got it back.
Post by: mocat on October 31, 2020, 02:55:49 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 31, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
Think how much worse the score would have been if it was freemaw tossing the rock all over the yardNo mocat! NO!
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 03:01:26 PM
Think how much worse the score would have been if it was freemaw tossing the rock all over the yard
:ROFL:
Post by: nicname on October 31, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster? Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.
I honestly think he’ll be a decent backup forrubleyThompson next year
:crossfingers:
This. I’m down to go Sklar 3:16 another year. Howard as backup, redshirt Rubley.
Post by: nicname on October 31, 2020, 07:41:58 PM
howard looks like a decent backup option to me. they say is a dual threat QB but if I rank all the QBs in the B12 by their running ability I would say Howard is the worst runner in the league. the KU freshman could be a star in the old snyder system
He’s far too slight and would be broken in half.
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Post by: kashi1965 on November 01, 2020, 10:31:44 AM
as a true freshman you make a good point. But give him a couple years to add 20-25 pounds and I like him. He's an outstanding runner and his arm looks as good any anyone in the league right now outside of Rattler. Now i'm not sure if he has any of the other capabilities like reading defenses but he looks to have the physical talent. not sure about the mental talent yet. Snyder seemed to like the guys like this. Make sure they have the physical ability then teach them the rest. I dont see the basic physical ability with Howard. he may be great in the brain i hope thats enoughhoward looks like a decent backup option to me. they say is a dual threat QB but if I rank all the QBs in the B12 by their running ability I would say Howard is the worst runner in the league. the KU freshman could be a star in the old snyder system
He’s far too slight and would be broken in half.
Post by: kashi1965 on November 01, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
Kashi, shut up, Jesus Christ.do u disagree? if u do, please name the B12 QB who is not a better runner than Howard. because i went through all of them in my head and its not even particular close.
The B12 has a lot of great running QBs.
Post by: Pete on November 01, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
I think it's worth considering that ksu hasn't had a true freshman qb other than freemaw in the modern era. We don't know what they're normally like!
Except that we see other teams do it all the rough ridin' time. :rolleyes:
Post by: michigancat on November 01, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
I think it's worth considering that ksu hasn't had a true freshman qb other than freemaw in the modern era. We don't know what they're normally like!
Except that we see other teams do it all the rough ridin' time. :rolleyes:
do you see many that are like, good, and not a five star at Bama or Clemson? Other than KU's QB that you and kashi are in love with.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2020, 11:07:28 PM
I personally hate that we don’t have a fast/athletic backup QB. Feels yucky.
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We do
http://www.hudl.com/v/2Aurvf
First four minutes is of him dropping dimes, the last minute is of him running the option and looking like Aaron Rodgers when the pocket breaks down. I was disappointed to see Nick Ast instead of Lewis against WVU.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 02, 2020, 07:48:09 AM
Any chances we had of winning the conference this year disappeared when Thompson was injured for good.
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Post by: ChiComCat on November 02, 2020, 08:15:28 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 02, 2020, 08:46:34 AM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.
Wiley is the only player that did the kicking of ass instead of the getting ass kicked
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 02, 2020, 08:56:49 AM
Kashi, shut up, Jesus Christ.do u disagree? if u do, please name the B12 QB who is not a better runner than Howard. because i went through all of them in my head and its not even particular close.
The B12 has a lot of great running QBs.
Doege appeared to have about 0% interest in running the ball. We gave him ample opportunities and he was like nah
Post by: _33 on November 02, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
I personally hate that we don’t have a fast/athletic backup QB. Feels yucky.
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We do
http://www.hudl.com/v/2Aurvf
First four minutes is of him dropping dimes, the last minute is of him running the option and looking like Aaron Rodgers when the pocket breaks down. I was disappointed to see Nick Ast instead of Lewis against WVU.
What have you done to me? I'm not ready to be hurt again.
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2020, 09:21:54 AM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.
this is a great point
Post by: _33 on November 02, 2020, 03:25:03 PM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.
this is a great point
Should that make a person feel better or worse? I dont know for sure.
Post by: Pete on November 07, 2020, 05:36:19 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 05:57:26 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2020, 06:02:45 PM
He does not have “it”An offensive line?
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
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Post by: nicname on November 07, 2020, 09:21:58 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
Kid has moxie but he can't throw the ball at all, not even a little bit. That missed hitch route to Taylor was comically bad.
yeah, this is where I'm at. I like him but he is not good and I don't think he will be good. does that make sense? also he's a kid so maybe he's going to be good later but man I don't see it.
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 09:49:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
Honestly we should just put 15 more pounds of muscle on his lower half and use him like Klein. He doesn’t have Skylar’s lateral movement but he gets upfield well and is a one cut runner. If they have to account for him in the run game he can still make serviceable throws to our TE and FB’s and occasionally find a wide open WR when teams put 8 in the box.
He's bigger than Collin was as a true freshman.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 07, 2020, 11:10:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 11:22:25 PM
Collin barley played before his Jr year.
He sorghum played after that.
Post by: pissclams on November 07, 2020, 11:24:49 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 07, 2020, 11:29:15 PM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trashI’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.
None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball. People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 11:39:08 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2020, 11:41:12 PM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trashI’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.
None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball. People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
they should call more touchdowns and/or 60+ yard plays
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 07, 2020, 11:41:18 PM
Collin barley played before his Jr year.
He sorghum played after that.
But only played limited millets as a freshman and soph.
Post by: DQ12 on November 07, 2020, 11:51:25 PM
Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.Like the 4 star quarterback we’re bringing in next year or the slew of promising young linemen?
You can’t really build a power run oriented, pro style offense from scratch in two years. WR is really the only position I’m concerned about moving forward, but I like the ‘21 guys. Particularly Garcia.
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 12:05:18 AM
Post by: pissclams on November 08, 2020, 12:18:19 AM
you’re not confused about anything, but you can ask for an explanationwould be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trashI’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.
None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball. People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
his job, our oc’s, is to put his players in positions to succeed. play to his strength and protect his weaknesses
just seems to me that he’s asked to do a bit more than he’s ready or capable of doing
Post by: sys on November 08, 2020, 12:42:31 AM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trashI’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.
we have a running back shaped exactly like a bowling ball. i'm no football genius, but i think if we ran plays where we let him work up a head of steam and then received the football he'd be pretty hard to tackle.
also we did that at least twice today and he did seem hard to tackle and also it was fun to watch.
Post by: wetwillie on November 08, 2020, 05:03:50 AM
Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.Like the 4 star quarterback we’re bringing in next year or the slew of promising young linemen?
You can’t really build a power run oriented, pro style offense from scratch in two years. WR is really the only position I’m concerned about moving forward, but I like the ‘21 guys. Particularly Garcia.
It’s fun seeing you put in a position to praise the OL recruiting.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 08, 2020, 07:27:58 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 08, 2020, 08:20:37 AM
Not as good as it could have been, but if you look across the board, I think we’ll have one of the better lines in the conference in 2022 with a line full of young guys.Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.Like the 4 star quarterback we’re bringing in next year or the slew of promising young linemen?
You can’t really build a power run oriented, pro style offense from scratch in two years. WR is really the only position I’m concerned about moving forward, but I like the ‘21 guys. Particularly Garcia.
It’s fun seeing you put in a position to praise the OL recruiting.
Post by: DQ12 on November 08, 2020, 08:34:50 AM
Of course he’s being asked to do more than he’s ready for, he’s a true freshman. Thems the breaks though for that youngster.you’re not confused about anything, but you can ask for an explanationwould be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trashI’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.
None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball. People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
his job, our oc’s, is to put his players in positions to succeed. play to his strength and protect his weaknesses
just seems to me that he’s asked to do a bit more than he’s ready or capable of doing
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 08, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen timesWe somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
Post by: Kat Kid on November 08, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen timesWe somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
briley moore being out did not help
Post by: MakeItRain on November 08, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen timesWe somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 09:57:41 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen timesWe somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.
Yeah I disagree when the defense is as good as it has been most of the year. It's sure more boring to watch three and outs but probably gives us a better chance to win.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 08, 2020, 10:19:31 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen timesWe somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.
Yeah I disagree when the defense is as good as it has been most of the year. It's sure more boring to watch three and outs but probably gives us a better chance to win.
Scoop and score not withstanding, you think the third quarter was better for the defense than the fourth? If we're turning the ball over, that means we're taking chances and moving the ball. I believe the defense was on the field for 11 minutes of the third quarter and that was with us starting with the ball.
I'd also point out that you've made a departure from our fake season philosophy. Why not let the kid play, it's high risk low reward?
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen timesWe somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.
Yeah I disagree when the defense is as good as it has been most of the year. It's sure more boring to watch three and outs but probably gives us a better chance to win.
Scoop and score not withstanding, you think the third quarter was better for the defense than the fourth? If we're turning the ball over, that means we're taking chances and moving the ball. I believe the defense was on the field for 11 minutes of the third quarter and that was with us starting with the ball.
I'd also point out that you've made a departure from our fake season philosophy. Why not let the kid play, it's high risk low reward?
Well you can't discount the scoop and score because that's my whole point.
And I think playing ball control offense is an important part of Howard's development, at least as much letting him sling it all over the field is if not more (if you can call his passing "slinging")
Post by: wetwillie on November 08, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
Post by: pissclams on November 08, 2020, 11:06:41 AM
ready for?Of course he’s being asked to do more than he’s ready for, he’s a true freshman. Thems the breaks though for that youngster.you’re not confused about anything, but you can ask for an explanationwould be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trashI’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.
None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball. People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
his job, our oc’s, is to put his players in positions to succeed. play to his strength and protect his weaknesses
just seems to me that he’s asked to do a bit more than he’s ready or capable of doing
Howard should never be asked to throw the ball beyond the hash marks for the remainder of his career
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2020, 12:15:03 PM
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Post by: Trim on November 09, 2020, 11:38:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 11:51:59 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 09, 2020, 01:52:29 PM
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Post by: Pete on November 09, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 05:15:55 PM
i thought it was a pretty apt comparison to show that a true freshman QB's performance isn't necessarily indicative of where he'll be when he's all grown up.
It was pretty clear that Freemaw had a cannon w/ NFL potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRi05ubQ-I
(first half is Leon Patton, fast forward to about the 3 minute mark) :Ugh:
Post by: Trim on November 09, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
(first half is Leon Patton, fast forward to about the 3 minute mark) :Ugh:
I watched it all!
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 09, 2020, 05:27:08 PM
i thought it was a pretty apt comparison to show that a true freshman QB's performance isn't necessarily indicative of where he'll be when he's all grown up.
It was pretty clear that Freemaw had a cannon w/ NFL potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRi05ubQ-I
(first half is Leon Patton, fast forward to about the 3 minute mark) :Ugh:
Not a fan of Freeman, but the dude could sling the football. However, I don't know what he'd do with our current wideouts. Has anyone else noticed that lack of separation our guys get? When they do actually get open, it is 50/50 on whether or not Howard can actually throw a catchable ball and then 50/50 on whether or not our WR will actually catch the ball. Basically, it feels like we have a 25% chance of completing a pass.
Anybody have the numbers of Howard's completion % for throws over 10 yards? I just don't understand how someone that big has such a weak arm. A few weeks ago, I was convinced it was just poor mechanics and him aiming the ball rather than letting it rip. Sadly, I've moved into the camp of him just having a weak arm. Hope I'm proven wrong.........
Post by: 8manpick on November 09, 2020, 06:17:35 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 09, 2020, 06:30:37 PM
Howard has good tools.
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 06:46:06 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
A Skyler vs. Howard comparo would have been much more interesting (even though Sky had a redshirt and split time w/ Delton)Please don’t disrespect Sky like that, ever again!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/skylar-thompson-1.html
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 08:28:33 PM
A Skyler vs. Howard comparo would have been much more interesting (even though Sky had a redshirt and split time w/ Delton)Please don’t disrespect Sky like that, ever again!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/skylar-thompson-1.html
actually also not a really fair comparison because Sky had two NFL WR's
Post by: Cire on November 09, 2020, 08:44:46 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:03:04 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2020, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 09:14:06 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Malik Knowles has similar potential to Zuber, it’s not not really a stretch to think he could make a roster. The knock on Malik is he drops tons of balls and so did Zuber. Briley Moore will make a 53 Man roster. Duece, Moore, Malik are solid targets to work with.Agreed. He seems to only trust Taylor too. Lot’s of one look targets to him.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Who compared sky and freemaw?
I actually misread your post. I do think young Sky is better than freshman Howard, I think Sky is better in every way. Young sky was annoying because he held on to the ball way too long, but that was clearly a function of coaching because my guy Sisco had the same problem. If I thought that Howard could throw the ball, I'd be more confident with his development than Skylar's, but I don't think he can, and coaching isn't going to close that gap.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:33:37 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 09, 2020, 10:20:19 PM
Freeman's freshman year had the worst supporting cast and coaches of any other Kansas State quarterback since 1988.Lol what
There aren’t that many years where K-State has been more loaded at the skill positions than Freeman’s freshman year.
His OC/QB coach was James Franklin.
If the 2020 team had Jermaine Moreira, I think we’d be considerably better, let alone Yamon or Jordy.
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 10:34:48 PM
Post by: tdaver on November 09, 2020, 10:46:20 PM
Post by: nicname on November 09, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
James Franklin
Ricky Rahne
Scott Frost
Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2020, 11:10:43 PM
Freeman's freshman year had the worst supporting cast and coaches of any other Kansas State quarterback since 1988.Lol what
There aren’t that many years where K-State has been more loaded at the skill positions than Freeman’s freshman year.
His OC/QB coach was James Franklin.
If the 2020 team had Jermaine Moreira, I think we’d be considerably better, let alone Yamon or Jordy.
The offense that year was a goddamned disaster, unquestionably the worst in since Snyder arrived. Having a bunch of first year, non contributing talent, and some coaches who have had some varying degrees of offensive success doesn't change that. I've said this before, but the offense Freeman's year was crap because they weren't running an offense for him. He and the offense were better in '07 & '08 because the players were better and the coaches figured out that throwing the ball a ton with a guy who was good at throwing the ball, was the way to go.
List all your dumb names, that 2006 offense was a horror show and I don't know how you could lay that at the feet of the best player on the team.
https://twitter.com/ksu_FAN/status/1325470476081242112
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 09:01:53 AM
I will list out "all the dumb names" that you call "the worst supporting cast since 1988": Jordy (NFL); Figurs (NFL); James Johnson (NFL); Thomas Clayton (NFL); Jeron Mastrud (NFL); Jermaine Moreira; Rashaad Norwood. The only "first year" guy there was Johnson, who was a juco transfer and legit very good in 2006. His quarterbacks coach was James Franklin and his offensive coordinator was also James Franklin. Prince was a monster, obviously, but otherwise, that's a pretty ideal scenario (especially personnel wise) if you're going to turn things over to a true freshman QB.
Let's look at his splits:
Baylor [the game when Freeman took over for good] - L 17-3: 11-33 for 196 yards and 3 INTs. He only played in the second half.
OSU [first start] - W 31-27: 10-15 for 177 yards.
Nebraska - L 21-3: 23-47 for 272 yards and 2 INTs.
Missouri - L 21-41: 5-19 for 63 yards and 2 INTs.
Iowa State - W 31-10: 14-20 for 161 yards, 1 TD (his first passing TD) and 1 INT.
Colorado - W 34-21: 22-26 for 251 yards, 2 TD.
Texas - W 45-42: 19-31 for 269 yards, 3 TD 1 INT.
KU - L 39-20: 23-44 for 244 yards, 3 INTs.
Rutgers - L 37-10: 10-21, 2 INTs.
On the season, 140-270 for 1780 yards, 6 TDs, 15 INTs. Unless we're grading him on the "well he was a freshman" curve, Freeman was not good in 2006.
The 2006 offense was OK -- not great not horrible.
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2020, 09:07:58 AM
Post by: ben ji on November 10, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
wait, do we think will has taken up smoking cigs?
My cousin's roomates BF said they saw Will sleeping on a pool table in the middle of the party the friday before the OSU game after OD'n on cigs.
Post by: Trim on November 10, 2020, 09:23:35 AM
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2020, 09:25:14 AM
wait, do we think will has taken up smoking cigs?
My cousin's roomates BF said they saw Will sleeping on a pool table in the middle of the party the friday before the OSU game after OD'n on cigs.
F&%$!!!
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 09:47:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
It’s revisionist history to say he was playing with NFL guys as if they don’t improve over time. I mean he got drafted higher than anyone listed. Also basically having no chemistry with the surrounding cast plays a big part in how a QB will perform.Jordy was a junior and Figurs was a senior. Am I saying that the surrounding cast was the best K-State's ever had? No. I'm saying that calling it the worst since 1988 is hilarious. It's lightyears better than the non-QB offense we're currently trotting (heh) out there.
FWIW, I really like Freeman and acknowledge that he was a great college QB for K-State. But come on - he stank his true Freshman year, as almost every college QB would. And he didn't stink because the rest of the offense was devoid of talent.
Obviously we're putting the cart way before the horse if we're comparing Howard to one of the best QBs K-State's ever had, but I think Howard would probably look better than he does if he had Jordy/Yamon/Moreira lined up at WR instead of Knowles/Brooks/Render. Jordy/Yamon/Moreira is damn near the best WR group K-State's ever had.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 10, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 11:48:13 AM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.Yeah I don't necessarily think Jordy/Yamon/Mo was the best, but it's in the conversation.
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 12:02:11 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 10, 2020, 12:03:21 PM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.
IDK if Harper/TLBL/TT were necessarily the best, but they were the perfect trio in terms of what all 3 brought to the table IMO. I pretty much look for who fills those 3 roles in our WRs since then.
Harper was the perfect box out, create space, hard to tackle guy who you could count on to get that 8/9 yards (w/e) to get that first down. TLBL wreaked havoc all over the field and could spread the defense out and be that big play guy. TT was slightly overlooked but probably the most sure handed and you knew could come up with that big catch and get himself open in critical situations (@ OU in 2012 is a great example of this). I loved all 3 of them and want us to have 3 guys who can do that.
Honestly with this team you kinda have the box out guy in Moore, but you don't really have the deep threat and sure handedness one.
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 12:14:02 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’sOL returned 4 starters!
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 10, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.
IDK if Harper/TLBL/TT were necessarily the best, but they were the perfect trio in terms of what all 3 brought to the table IMO. I pretty much look for who fills those 3 roles in our WRs since then.
Harper was the perfect box out, create space, hard to tackle guy who you could count on to get that 8/9 yards (w/e) to get that first down. TLBL wreaked havoc all over the field and could spread the defense out and be that big play guy. TT was slightly overlooked but probably the most sure handed and you knew could come up with that big catch and get himself open in critical situations (@ OU in 2012 is a great example of this). I loved all 3 of them and want us to have 3 guys who can do that.
Honestly with this team you kinda have the box out guy in Moore, but you don't really have the deep threat and sure handedness one.
agreed they were the equivalent of a golf scramble where you got someone who can hit the long drive, someone good with the irons, and someone who can chip/putt.
Post by: stunted on November 10, 2020, 12:34:38 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’sOL returned 4 starters!
Probably NFL guys
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
Probably better than the year beforeFreeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’sOL returned 4 starters!
Probably NFL guys
Post by: Skipper44 on November 10, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
including Matt Boss - the patient zero of fp, tc etcFreeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’sOL returned 4 starters!
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
Saw a comment that Rubley been hating on Howard on Twitter :Wha:
nope
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on November 10, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Saw a comment that Rubley been hating on Howard on Twitter :Wha:
nope
he liked a few tweets that said things like "how soon can you get here" when people were pissed at howard. doesn't mean anything.
Post by: Cardiac Cats on November 10, 2020, 06:53:43 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 08:34:27 PM
Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.To be fair, Evridge, Lopina, and Dyls were fairly ballyhoo’d recruits. Lopina and Meier transferred after ‘05.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
Man, Josh Freeman was the weak link on the 2006 offense (as far as skill position players go...honestly don't remember the state of the OL). He threw plenty. The offense wasn't great because Dylan was no good and neither was freshman Freeman.
I will list out "all the dumb names" that you call "the worst supporting cast since 1988": Jordy (NFL); Figurs (NFL); James Johnson (NFL); Thomas Clayton (NFL); Jeron Mastrud (NFL); Jermaine Moreira; Rashaad Norwood. The only "first year" guy there was Johnson, who was a juco transfer and legit very good in 2006. His quarterbacks coach was James Franklin and his offensive coordinator was also James Franklin. Prince was a monster, obviously, but otherwise, that's a pretty ideal scenario (especially personnel wise) if you're going to turn things over to a true freshman QB.
Let's look at his splits:
Baylor [the game when Freeman took over for good] - L 17-3: 11-33 for 196 yards and 3 INTs. He only played in the second half.
OSU [first start] - W 31-27: 10-15 for 177 yards.
Nebraska - L 21-3: 23-47 for 272 yards and 2 INTs.
Missouri - L 21-41: 5-19 for 63 yards and 2 INTs.
Iowa State - W 31-10: 14-20 for 161 yards, 1 TD (his first passing TD) and 1 INT.
Colorado - W 34-21: 22-26 for 251 yards, 2 TD.
Texas - W 45-42: 19-31 for 269 yards, 3 TD 1 INT.
KU - L 39-20: 23-44 for 244 yards, 3 INTs.
Rutgers - L 37-10: 10-21, 2 INTs.
On the season, 140-270 for 1780 yards, 6 TDs, 15 INTs. Unless we're grading him on the "well he was a freshman" curve, Freeman was not good in 2006.
The 2006 offense was OK -- not great not horrible.
Fan listed objective statistics that shows unquestionably that the 2006 offense was the worst offense here since 1989. Without looking I would have said that both 2004 and 2005 were worse, but facts don't care about my feelings. The 04' and 05' teams were more efficient. Also outside of Jordy and Mastrud to a lesser extent, you need to stop calling those other guys NFL players, it's intellectually dishonest. Also James Franklin has been shown to be a good head football coach, I'm not sure why you're presenting him as an offensive genius, that's never been a hallmark of his teams at Vanderbilt or Penn State.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2020, 09:34:30 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’sOL returned 4 starters!
I guess we're conflating returning with good, KU has been playing that shell game for three decades.
Post by: DQ12 on November 11, 2020, 07:17:53 AM
I’m not saying these “NFL” guys were all-Americans, I’m saying they were good enough to get at least a cup of coffee in the league. K-State hasn’t had a TON of those guys at the skill positions over the years. Having 5 on one team probably hasn’t happened very many other times.
That you called it the worst supporting cast since 1989 is crazy, and now you’re doubling down. You can just say you were exaggerating and we can all move on.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Yeah, part of the deal for him to commit (Freeman), was for others to get prince'd. Didn't Evridge transfer that year too? He was getting rocked the previous season anyways.Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.To be fair, Evridge, Lopina, and Dyls were fairly ballyhoo’d recruits. Lopina and Meier transferred after ‘05.
Post by: ben ji on November 11, 2020, 12:57:15 PM
Yeah, part of the deal for him to commit (Freeman), was for others to get prince'd. Didn't Evridge transfer that year too? He was getting rocked the previous season anyways.Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.To be fair, Evridge, Lopina, and Dyls were fairly ballyhoo’d recruits. Lopina and Meier transferred after ‘05.
Yeah, Evridge never played for Prince.
I was a big Evridge fan in 2005 :cry:
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Evridge QB’d the worst KSU game I ever attended and went on to QB some of the worst Wisconsin games I ever watched. Very versatile at sucking crap.
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what's remarkable is I'm looking at the 2005 scores and games he QB'd and there are multiple options.
Post by: ben ji on November 11, 2020, 01:39:07 PM
lmao. Webb is QB of record.
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That box score :lol:
Snodgrass was 0/2 on XP and missed a FG too
Marcus watts had 2 PR for -4 yards
Post by: nicname on November 11, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
Will Howard is better than bazooka joe but worse than Kody Cook at qb.
Kody Cook was pretty fun vs OSU
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2020, 02:32:17 PM
Pretty big "WTF?!" moment for me. Stayed far away from that dude after that.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
I don’t think points per play and turnovers per play are be all end all stats for an offense. Anyway, I wonder why we had so many turnovers...probably not because of an inexperienced quarterback.
I’m not saying these “NFL” guys were all-Americans, I’m saying they were good enough to get at least a cup of coffee in the league. K-State hasn’t had a TON of those guys at the skill positions over the years. Having 5 on one team probably hasn’t happened very many other times.
That you called it the worst supporting cast since 1989 is crazy, and now you’re doubling down. You can just say you were exaggerating and we can all move on.
Maybe those 90-92 teams were crap, I don't know. I do know those freshmen on the 90 team accomplished a hell of a lot more than the freshmen on the 06' squad. I'll hedge, that '06 team was worse offensively than any LHC Bill Snyder team after 1990 and any Chris Klieman team at K-State, including this one.
Post by: DQ12 on November 11, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
Well maybe the team was worse, but I'm not pinning Freeman's freshman TD/INT ratio on Andrew Erker. But the offense had some really good parts, including one of the best WRs K-State's ever had, and also another really good WR, and then another pretty good WR too! Plus pretty good RBs!I don’t think points per play and turnovers per play are be all end all stats for an offense. Anyway, I wonder why we had so many turnovers...probably not because of an inexperienced quarterback.
I’m not saying these “NFL” guys were all-Americans, I’m saying they were good enough to get at least a cup of coffee in the league. K-State hasn’t had a TON of those guys at the skill positions over the years. Having 5 on one team probably hasn’t happened very many other times.
That you called it the worst supporting cast since 1989 is crazy, and now you’re doubling down. You can just say you were exaggerating and we can all move on.
Maybe those 90-92 teams were crap, I don't know. I do know those freshmen on the 90 team accomplished a hell of a lot more than the freshmen on the 06' squad. I'll hedge, that '06 team was worse offensively than any LHC Bill Snyder team after 1990 and any Chris Klieman team at K-State, including this one.
Not for nothing, but that 2006 team's starting linebackers were Archer, Diles, and OG Reggie Walker. Plus Rob Jackson and Justin Roland (who I love). That 2006 team should have been awesome.
Without thinking too hard about it, 2015's surrounding cast was way worse than 2006. The leading WR on that team was Deante Burton. Charles Jones and Silmon in the backfield.
Hell, I'd say 2006 surrounding cast was better than 2008 too. You put Junior Josh Freeman on that 2006 team and that offense is salty AF.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 12, 2020, 11:16:42 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
I think a lot of people, maybe even most people, would have died from the hit that Evridge took at Texas Tech. He was running straight upright and fumbled the football, but he's a survivor. A survivor who sucks crap at football.
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is there a k-state footballer that hasn't stolen wacky's girl? honest questionCarson Coffman. He married a studly cats volleyball player, bud.
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Somehow he has become progressively worse every game which i didn’t think was possible
This is true :Yuck:
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Post by: Pete on November 28, 2020, 07:12:24 PM
Will Howard is not a D1 quarterback
Northwest Missouri and Pitt State probably each have 3 guys on their rosters better than Will Howard.
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Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
Just rough ridin' line Trotter up as the QB, and do nothing but QB dives and handoffs to Deuce. Maybe, MAYBE, mix in some options.100%
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 07:22:55 PM
I honestly don't understand why they let him throw.
Just run the CK offense and only let him throw when they put 9 in the box to stop us
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
MIR will always have his Mahomes call.
Even though I hedged it, this take was 50 times worse than how good the Mahomes take was. He's the worst starting K-State quarterback I've ever seen, Bazooka Joe was 100% better.
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Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
EhMIR will always have his Mahomes call.
Even though I hedged it, this take was 50 times worse than how good the Mahomes take was. He's the worst starting K-State quarterback I've ever seen, Bazooka Joe was 100% better.
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 08:32:54 PM
I FEEL BAD FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAS TO KNOW HOW BAD HE IS AND YET THEY MAKE HIM KEEP DOING IT!
His demeanor says he still thinks he’s a world beater which is something
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
He has the demeanor you want from your backup quarterback. Maybe he can become a decent backup at some point. Like we don't want to burn the stud freshman's redshirt, so we let Will Howard play the 4th quarter when we are up 30 during his junior year or something.
I like this.
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 08:41:29 PM
I think he should be called Will Hamburger. Don't know why.sounds similar to Neil Hamburger. And he's a little beefy!
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Save us rubley wan, you’re our only hope
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Post by: kashi1965 on December 05, 2020, 11:52:30 AM
Freshman QB without an off season to prepare.he's worse than a freshman QB without an off season to prepare. He's the worst i've ever seen. being serious
and he's had 2 months of taking all the snaps in practice and has not improved one bit
either they recruited the wrong guy or they can't coach QBs. there is no reason a P5 freshman QB should be this bad. there is not good but this is terrible
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:56:05 AM
Freshman QB without an off season to prepare.he's worse than a freshman QB without an off season to prepare. He's the worst i've ever seen. being serious
and he's had 2 months of taking all the snaps in practice and has not improved one bit
either they recruited the wrong guy or they can't coach QBs. there is no reason a P5 freshman QB should be this bad. there is not good but this is terrible
Who are you arguing with?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
Throw over the top to knowles was great and so was his deep ball to Taylor, it maddening how inconsistent he is.
Look at that tight window cannon! I'm sure a pick 6 is coming.
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Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 12:00:04 PM
Throw over the top to knowles was great and so was his deep ball to Taylor, it maddening how inconsistent he is.
Look at that tight window cannon! I'm sure a pick 6 is coming.
Yea it’s like his mind thinks he can throw it like Mahomes and his body says helll noooo
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I think he has more "zip" on his balls!
Sounds painful to watch.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 11, 2021, 07:31:17 PM
Post by: hemmy on September 11, 2021, 07:35:41 PM
Is kleigoober going to let him loose or what? We got a real game and need the full playbook
Oh he let loose
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 11, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
Kleigoober put him in 3rd and 12 based on shitty play calling the first two plays. Just forced it and throw was trash
Is kleigoober going to let him loose or what? We got a real game and need the full playbook
Oh he let loose
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If Kleigoober doesn't start Rubes the second half he is sackless.
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If Rubely doesn’t play the second half, then I hope we lose. Not that my “hope” needs to be added to ensure that.
Concur
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Post by: HELLHAMMER on September 11, 2021, 10:04:00 PM
It's extremely hard for me to believe that William Howard is this team's second best option at quarterbackThe coaching staff ran John Holcomb out of town.
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Post by: joda on September 11, 2021, 10:12:27 PM
Gah. I forgot about John Holcombe already. I loved him. Where did he end up?
Ended up at Florida A&M, no longer on their roster though
Post by: WildcatNkilt on September 11, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
Gah. I forgot about John Holcombe already. I loved him. Where did he end up?
Ended up at Florida A&M, no longer on their roster though
Kept throwing it in the stands.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 11, 2021, 10:30:16 PM
Gah. I forgot about John Holcombe already. I loved him. Where did he end up?
Ended up at Florida A&M, no longer on their roster though
Kept throwing it in the stands.
That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in a football game.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 11, 2021, 10:42:15 PM
Remember that year we had some wide receivers playing quarterback? maybe we could try that again :dunno:
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Post by: Trogdor on September 12, 2021, 01:28:44 AM
They need to not ever play him again at QB. If he really is our #2 it’s a pretty damning indictment on the coaches.
I can dislike the kid only so much (which is already alot), but I also didn't need to see him play today to know that since we found out how bad he is last year. However I am wildly concerned with the coaching staffs decision making of letting players like Howard and Elder even see the field.
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i think he has what it takes to be a star quarterback. he's tall and strong, tough runner. just needs to be mentally stronger as well as improve arm strength/accuracy.He's a very good athlete
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 12, 2021, 09:27:49 AM
:dubious:i think he has what it takes to be a star quarterback. he's tall and strong, tough runner. just needs to be mentally stronger as well as improve arm strength/accuracy.He's a very good athlete
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 12, 2021, 10:25:09 AM
despite what many here think, he will get better and improve. but our offense needs to adjust to his skill set and get better too. it’s a team game and our surprisingly effective o-line will be the answer to skyler’s injury.
I tend to agree with this but was really hoping we wouldn’t have to do this until spring 22
Post by: wetwillie on September 12, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
Post by: hemmy on September 12, 2021, 10:44:07 AM
He’s a good runner and has two good receiving threats and an all big 12 caliber running back he should be fine if the coaches can adjust.
Problem is he is absolutely terrible at throwing. That is an important skill to have IMO
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Post by: cfbandyman on September 12, 2021, 10:59:32 AM
They need to Dink and dunk with him. If he throws over 10 yards it’s too far. Get him confidence and tell him to be more like Alex Smith. If we have a great defense we need him to be just ok. Let Deuce do the heavy lifting on offense.
That's the real talk thing that needs to happen
I gave wacky crap on Twitter but his body language in the post game was a fair analysis of his nervousness. Dude acted like he hadn't seen the field.
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IMO it's not just that, like, the dude literally played half a season last year and came in with the yips of a HS freshman. I get Skylar's injury was no contact "holy crap" moment but dude, you've been there, this isn't last year. And even last year he came in with more poise than this. His whole approach to the game was as wide eyed scared shitless as his worst last year.
Post by: IPA4Me on September 12, 2021, 11:01:22 AM
Yep. You just used more words to express my thoughts.They need to Dink and dunk with him. If he throws over 10 yards it’s too far. Get him confidence and tell him to be more like Alex Smith. If we have a great defense we need him to be just ok. Let Deuce do the heavy lifting on offense.
That's the real talk thing that needs to happenI gave wacky crap on Twitter but his body language in the post game was a fair analysis of his nervousness. Dude acted like he hadn't seen the field.
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IMO it's not just that, like, the dude literally played half a season last year and came in with the yips of a HS freshman. I get Skylar's injury was no contact "holy crap" moment but dude, you've been there, this isn't last year. And even last year he came in with more poise than this. His whole approach to the game was as wide eyed scared shitless as his worst last year.
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Post by: wetwillie on September 12, 2021, 11:01:37 AM
He’s a good runner and has two good receiving threats and an all big 12 caliber running back he should be fine if the coaches can adjust.
Had a nice 20 yard strike to Landry Weber that was well thrown. I think his biggest problem is his position coach.
Problem is he is absolutely terrible at throwing. That is an important skill to have IMO
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
It's extremely hard for me to believe that William Howard is this team's second best option at quarterbackThe coaching staff ran John Holcomb out of town.
Where did he end up? Certainly he's piling up TDs for another FBS school, right?
Post by: wetwillie on September 12, 2021, 12:50:12 PM
It's extremely hard for me to believe that William Howard is this team's second best option at quarterbackThe coaching staff ran John Holcomb out of town.
Where did he end up? Certainly he's piling up TDs for another FBS school, right?
We had another qb on the roster that Snyder recruited for 2019 but I can’t remember his name, I think he ended up at blinn CC.
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https://www.buccaneersports.com/sports/fball/2020-21/bios/herron_chris_w09k?view=gamelog&pos=qbIt's extremely hard for me to believe that William Howard is this team's second best option at quarterbackThe coaching staff ran John Holcomb out of town.
Where did he end up? Certainly he's piling up TDs for another FBS school, right?
We had another qb on the roster that Snyder recruited for 2019 but I can’t remember his name, I think he ended up at blinn CC.
Post by: SteelCat on September 12, 2021, 12:52:09 PM
Howard will light it up next week. His ascension starts against Nevada. :ksu:
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Post by: wetwillie on September 12, 2021, 01:05:51 PM
https://www.buccaneersports.com/sports/fball/2020-21/bios/herron_chris_w09k?view=gamelog&pos=qbIt's extremely hard for me to believe that William Howard is this team's second best option at quarterbackThe coaching staff ran John Holcomb out of town.
Where did he end up? Certainly he's piling up TDs for another FBS school, right?
We had another qb on the roster that Snyder recruited for 2019 but I can’t remember his name, I think he ended up at blinn CC.
Ah that’s right, good find.
Post by: pissclams on September 12, 2021, 01:37:18 PM
Rubley wasn't even the back up, Jaren Lewis was/is. I saw Rubley play last year, my guess is that the game is a bit too fast for him right now. But Howard had to play as a true freshman without an off-season. If Rubley isn't better than him now, he never will be.come on man
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 12, 2021, 03:01:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 03:05:25 PM
Rubley wasn't even the back up, Jaren Lewis was/is. I saw Rubley play last year, my guess is that the game is a bit too fast for him right now. But Howard had to play as a true freshman without an off-season. If Rubley isn't better than him now, he never will be.come on man
Come on what? What are you taking exception to here? Howard has been in the program 5 months longer than Rubley, those five months were Howard playing college football, in those same 5 months Rubley played 5 high school football games. They are both freshman and Rubley isn't going to get 7 games of playing QB to close whatever gap there is now. If Klieman decides Rubley isn't get enough to at least get a chance to start sometime this season and you assume progression is linear for both guys, Rubley won't close the gap.
If Rubley is the more talented player he needs to play right now. If Howard's playbook knowledge and intangibles are strong enough to overcome what we all think is a gap in physical skill, I have no idea when the coaches will ever see enough to make a change if they're going to let Howard turn the ball over 3 times every game.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 03:06:01 PM
Even tho it wasn't a turnover, it was the pass off the SIU linebacker's chest that broke me. I'm convinced Howard's best look is walking the sidelines with a clipboard.
Considering the circumstance, that was Howard's worst throw of his career.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 12, 2021, 03:17:48 PM
Even tho it wasn't a turnover, it was the pass off the SIU linebacker's chest that broke me. I'm convinced Howard's best look is walking the sidelines with a clipboard.
Considering the circumstance, that was Howard's worst throw of his career.
omg yes, both of these so true, I was just, aghast at how idiotic of a throw it was.
Post by: pissclams on September 12, 2021, 03:29:41 PM
well, i can’t imagine (other than to support your preposterous take) that one would assume a linear progression path between the two players whom posses such dissimilar skill sets. for someone who continually preaches objectivity to this board, might be time for you to take some of your own advice.Rubley wasn't even the back up, Jaren Lewis was/is. I saw Rubley play last year, my guess is that the game is a bit too fast for him right now. But Howard had to play as a true freshman without an off-season. If Rubley isn't better than him now, he never will be.come on man
Come on what? What are you taking exception to here? Howard has been in the program 5 months longer than Rubley, those five months were Howard playing college football, in those same 5 months Rubley played 5 high school football games. They are both freshman and Rubley isn't going to get 7 games of playing QB to close whatever gap there is now. If Klieman decides Rubley isn't get enough to at least get a chance to start sometime this season and you assume progression is linear for both guys, Rubley won't close the gap.
If Rubley is the more talented player he needs to play right now. If Howard's playbook knowledge and intangibles are strong enough to overcome what we all think is a gap in physical skill, I have no idea when the coaches will ever see enough to make a change if they're going to let Howard turn the ball over 3 times every game.
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If Rubley isn't a better option than Howard that means our staff has failed to recruit an FBS level QB.
And 0 prospects for 2022
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 12, 2021, 05:18:15 PM
without thinking that much into it, i think it's bad our hotshot 4 star qb isn't getting considered over the WSQBOAT. but coaches are weird about freshman. it's definitely not a huge deal yet, i'd say my hope for rubley dropped like 20%.
K-State coaches are weird about freshmen QBs. You see them rolled out at other schools, sometimes with good to amazing results -- of course, sometimes not. But we're talking about WAR of Howard.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 12, 2021, 05:34:00 PM
Will Howard is complete trash.
It's been 9 months, and nothing has changed. Will Howard is still not a D1 quarterback.
Post by: nicname on September 12, 2021, 05:58:39 PM
Post by: wiley on September 12, 2021, 06:12:07 PM
I fully expect a transfer this winter/spring at QBIf Rubley isn't a better option than Howard that means our staff has failed to recruit an FBS level QB.
And 0 prospects for 2022
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 06:52:50 PM
well, i can’t imagine (other than to support your preposterous take) that one would assume a linear progression path between the two players whom posses such dissimilar skill sets. for someone who continually preaches objectivity to this board, might be time for you to take some of your own advice.Rubley wasn't even the back up, Jaren Lewis was/is. I saw Rubley play last year, my guess is that the game is a bit too fast for him right now. But Howard had to play as a true freshman without an off-season. If Rubley isn't better than him now, he never will be.come on man
Come on what? What are you taking exception to here? Howard has been in the program 5 months longer than Rubley, those five months were Howard playing college football, in those same 5 months Rubley played 5 high school football games. They are both freshman and Rubley isn't going to get 7 games of playing QB to close whatever gap there is now. If Klieman decides Rubley isn't get enough to at least get a chance to start sometime this season and you assume progression is linear for both guys, Rubley won't close the gap.
If Rubley is the more talented player he needs to play right now. If Howard's playbook knowledge and intangibles are strong enough to overcome what we all think is a gap in physical skill, I have no idea when the coaches will ever see enough to make a change if they're going to let Howard turn the ball over 3 times every game.
Because you have the amazing propensity to criticize and bitch without actually making a point of your own, I'm still very unclear with the issue you have with the point I made. I'm almost certain you're misunderstanding the point but I can't be certain because you haven't said anything. Judging by your last line I'm guessing you think I'm saying that I think Howard is better, if that's the case you need to read better.
My opinion is that I hope they give Rubley the chance to earn the job of starting QB. I don't think they have done that yet. If they view the starting job as Howard's job, then Rubley will never play here. I'll point out again, that as of yesterday they didn't even have Rubley as the 3rd QB on the depth chart.
We can all want Rubley to play, and no crap, we all do. We don't make the depth chart.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 06:59:11 PM
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Here's the other.
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I'm hoping that Rubley is significantly better Howard but I don't understand the thought that they have a different skill set. Maybe you have access to film I haven't seen, it's very possible.
Post by: stunted on September 12, 2021, 07:17:06 PM
K-State coaches are weird about freshmen QBs. You see them rolled out at other schools, sometimes with good to amazing results -- of course, sometimes not. But we're talking about WAR of Howard.
GOTTA EARN IT :jerk:
Makes me think. Do the lunchpails really care if some stud comes in and destroys him at his job with half the effort? Do we even care about them to begin with, they’re just happy to be on the team. I get making sure everyone works hard, but there’s a balance and we jerk off our walkons too much.
Post by: pissclams on September 12, 2021, 07:23:01 PM
as you often do, you’ve pivoted.well, i can’t imagine (other than to support your preposterous take) that one would assume a linear progression path between the two players whom posses such dissimilar skill sets. for someone who continually preaches objectivity to this board, might be time for you to take some of your own advice.Rubley wasn't even the back up, Jaren Lewis was/is. I saw Rubley play last year, my guess is that the game is a bit too fast for him right now. But Howard had to play as a true freshman without an off-season. If Rubley isn't better than him now, he never will be.come on man
Come on what? What are you taking exception to here? Howard has been in the program 5 months longer than Rubley, those five months were Howard playing college football, in those same 5 months Rubley played 5 high school football games. They are both freshman and Rubley isn't going to get 7 games of playing QB to close whatever gap there is now. If Klieman decides Rubley isn't get enough to at least get a chance to start sometime this season and you assume progression is linear for both guys, Rubley won't close the gap.
If Rubley is the more talented player he needs to play right now. If Howard's playbook knowledge and intangibles are strong enough to overcome what we all think is a gap in physical skill, I have no idea when the coaches will ever see enough to make a change if they're going to let Howard turn the ball over 3 times every game.
Because you have the amazing propensity to criticize and bitch without actually making a point of your own, I'm still very unclear with the issue you have with the point I made. I'm almost certain you're misunderstanding the point but I can't be certain because you haven't said anything. Judging by your last line I'm guessing you think I'm saying that I think Howard is better, if that's the case you need to read better.
My opinion is that I hope they give Rubley the chance to earn the job of starting QB. I don't think they have done that yet. If they view the starting job as Howard's job, then Rubley will never play here. I'll point out again, that as of yesterday they didn't even have Rubley as the 3rd QB on the depth chart.
We can all want Rubley to play, and no crap, we all do. We don't make the depth chart.
your original and dumbass point was that if rubley isn’t better than howard today, then he never will be. those words, your post.
i’ll let you continue to try to get as far away as you can from such a dumb statement, because i’d want the same consideration if I posted something that hilarious. or maybe it was a parody post, idk.
Post by: pissclams on September 12, 2021, 07:25:26 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 12, 2021, 07:29:23 PM
K-State coaches are weird about freshmen QBs. You see them rolled out at other schools, sometimes with good to amazing results -- of course, sometimes not. But we're talking about WAR of Howard.
GOTTA EARN IT :jerk:
Makes me think. Do the lunchpails really care if some stud comes in and destroys him at his job with half the effort? Do we even care about them to begin with, they’re just happy to be on the team. I get making sure everyone works hard, but there’s a balance and we jerk off our walkons too much.
What are some examples of these freshman QBs? Is the criticism here ultimately just that K-State coaches don't recruit players on the level of Spencer Rattler or Trevor Lawrence?
Post by: michigancat on September 12, 2021, 07:49:27 PM
Of course, maybe there is still time for development after game two of a true freshman season.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 08:21:57 PM
as you often do, you’ve pivoted.well, i can’t imagine (other than to support your preposterous take) that one would assume a linear progression path between the two players whom posses such dissimilar skill sets. for someone who continually preaches objectivity to this board, might be time for you to take some of your own advice.Rubley wasn't even the back up, Jaren Lewis was/is. I saw Rubley play last year, my guess is that the game is a bit too fast for him right now. But Howard had to play as a true freshman without an off-season. If Rubley isn't better than him now, he never will be.come on man
Come on what? What are you taking exception to here? Howard has been in the program 5 months longer than Rubley, those five months were Howard playing college football, in those same 5 months Rubley played 5 high school football games. They are both freshman and Rubley isn't going to get 7 games of playing QB to close whatever gap there is now. If Klieman decides Rubley isn't get enough to at least get a chance to start sometime this season and you assume progression is linear for both guys, Rubley won't close the gap.
If Rubley is the more talented player he needs to play right now. If Howard's playbook knowledge and intangibles are strong enough to overcome what we all think is a gap in physical skill, I have no idea when the coaches will ever see enough to make a change if they're going to let Howard turn the ball over 3 times every game.
Because you have the amazing propensity to criticize and bitch without actually making a point of your own, I'm still very unclear with the issue you have with the point I made. I'm almost certain you're misunderstanding the point but I can't be certain because you haven't said anything. Judging by your last line I'm guessing you think I'm saying that I think Howard is better, if that's the case you need to read better.
My opinion is that I hope they give Rubley the chance to earn the job of starting QB. I don't think they have done that yet. If they view the starting job as Howard's job, then Rubley will never play here. I'll point out again, that as of yesterday they didn't even have Rubley as the 3rd QB on the depth chart.
We can all want Rubley to play, and no crap, we all do. We don't make the depth chart.
your original and dumbass point was that if rubley isn’t better than howard today, then he never will be. those words, your post.
i’ll let you continue to try to get as far away as you can from such a dumb statement, because i’d want the same consideration if I posted something that hilarious. or maybe it was a parody post, idk.
Yeah, you did misunderstand, that wasn't at all the point, but continue to go off. I've explained it twice a third time won't help you read less angrily.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 08:25:32 PM
also, i’ve already posted my support for howard in this thread and do not want rubley to play. because i trust the judgement of paid professionals to determine his readiness.lol, so since we agree on this I can only ascertain you're mad at my assertion that Rubley won't get good enough to pass Howard by being the third string QB and never playing.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2021, 08:30:38 PM
K-State coaches are weird about freshmen QBs. You see them rolled out at other schools, sometimes with good to amazing results -- of course, sometimes not. But we're talking about WAR of Howard.
GOTTA EARN IT :jerk:
Makes me think. Do the lunchpails really care if some stud comes in and destroys him at his job with half the effort? Do we even care about them to begin with, they’re just happy to be on the team. I get making sure everyone works hard, but there’s a balance and we jerk off our walkons too much.
What are some examples of these freshman QBs? Is the criticism here ultimately just that K-State coaches don't recruit players on the level of Spencer Rattler or Trevor Lawrence?
The thought that college football backups, especially for programs outside of the top 10 in the recruiting class rankings, should be able to seamlessly come in and win completely discounts the importance and difficulty of the position.
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 12, 2021, 08:33:15 PM
also, i’ve already posted my support for howard in this thread and do not want rubley to play. because i trust the judgement of paid professionals to determine his readiness.e in an
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You can post that when Will the Unready came in and performed so badly the professional basically decided they had to take the ball out of his throwing hand if the team was to have a chance to win?
Post by: Katpappy on September 12, 2021, 10:34:09 PM
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Post by: DQ12 on September 12, 2021, 11:16:51 PM
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
Post by: nicname on September 13, 2021, 12:30:53 AM
Based on my review of Nevada's games so far: their run defense is total garbage. K-State facing this defense this week is a godsend. Truly a miracle.
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
Will Howard will never make a dime playing quarterback anywhere else. At Kansas State he has opportunity the opportunity to earn immortality — and cold hard cash. Klein and Mess must go all in on the QB battering ram offense until Thompson returns.
Post by: wetwillie on September 13, 2021, 05:21:48 AM
Based on my review of Nevada's games so far: their run defense is total garbage. K-State facing this defense this week is a godsend. Truly a miracle.
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
If our offensive line was better I’d be more confident, but you are spot on with your strategy. Let Jacardia pound it between the tackles and keep them off the field as much as possible.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 13, 2021, 06:19:17 AM
Post by: meow meow on September 13, 2021, 08:42:07 AM
Did anyone watch his postgame interview. He basically said he knew he had mumped up some of the plays, but attributed to not having first string reps during practice. He feels he will play with more confidence with first string reps this week for the Nevada game. Lets hope he improves.
leading up to the first 2 games, i def read that he was getting 30% of the 1st team reps in practice.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on September 13, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: pissclams on September 13, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
you calling someone else angry?also, i’ve already posted my support for howard in this thread and do not want rubley to play. because i trust the judgement of paid professionals to determine his readiness.lol, so since we agree on this I can only ascertain you're mad at my assertion that Rubley won't get good enough to pass Howard by being the third string QB and never playing.
no one is mad, at least i’m not
Post by: 'taterblast on September 13, 2021, 09:28:41 AM
Based on my review of Nevada's games so far: their run defense is total garbage. K-State facing this defense this week is a godsend. Truly a miracle.
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
i needed this
Post by: 'taterblast on September 13, 2021, 09:53:05 AM
in the drama of how shitty the 2nd quarter ended up being, i forgot that Howard's first full drive was actually very good ending in a TD.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 13, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
Based on my review of Nevada's games so far: their run defense is total garbage. K-State facing this defense this week is a godsend. Truly a miracle.
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
If our offensive line was better I’d be more confident, but you are spot on with your strategy. Let Jacardia pound it between the tackles and keep them off the field as much as possible.
They're not that bad, but sorta understand your point. I actually think they played/play pretty darn well.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 13, 2021, 10:26:54 AM
Based on my review of Nevada's games so far: their run defense is total garbage. K-State facing this defense this week is a godsend. Truly a miracle.
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
i needed this
As did I. I may take a step back from the ledge... at least for now.
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
this morning i am CHECKING THE TAPE.
in the drama of how shitty the 2nd quarter ended up being, i forgot that Howard's first full drive was actually very good ending in a TD.
first drive of the 3rd was a 66 yard drive. and there was a 2nd half TD drive in the 4th. Not terrible!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2021, 10:38:15 AM
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Post by: CHONGS on September 13, 2021, 11:10:39 AM
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Anyway, the clear disastrous sequence of drives at the end of the 2nd quarter are quite evident. In three straight drives our offense, by itself, cost us about 11 points.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2021, 11:39:03 AM
I'll just point out here that Rubley has more experience in the program now than Howard did at this point last year. One of these guys were starting Big 12 football games, the other can't crack the two deep.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2021, 11:42:16 AM
Wasn’t the plan always to RS rubley? I thought I remembered them talking about it.
Yes, but that has no bearing on where you are on the depth chart. Dude can play 4 whole games and keep his redshirt, looks like he isn't going to play 4 snaps this year and he's behind two other freshmen on the depth chart.
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2021, 11:52:11 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2021, 12:13:01 PM
Colin Klein was moved to WR later in his career than Rubley is now
Right, and he never passed the starter on the depth chart.. Even after he won the Texas game, Coffman went back to start when he was healthy. Daniel Thomas threw more passes the last two games of that season than Klein did, 3-0.
I don't think proper appreciation is being given to how hard it will be for Howard to lose the job next year if he gets another handful of starts again this year.
Post by: wetwillie on September 13, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2021, 12:18:42 PM
Colin Klein was moved to WR later in his career than Rubley is now
Right, and he never passed the starter on the depth chart.. Even after he won the Texas game, Coffman went back to start when he was healthy. Daniel Thomas threw more passes the last two games of that season than Klein did, 3-0.
well, he had been playing WR the year before so...
Post by: wetwillie on September 13, 2021, 12:31:21 PM
Wasn’t the plan always to RS rubley? I thought I remembered them talking about it.
Yes his only job this year was to be in Justin Bieber themed tik tok videos
Post by: catastrophe on September 13, 2021, 01:46:34 PM
I would say it has a bearing…what coach is gonna give first team reps to a guy who can’t play more than 4 games? I’m sure it’s fair to say Rubley hasn’t done enough to make the staff think it’s worth burning his redshirt, but other than that I don’t think you can say a whole lot else.Wasn’t the plan always to RS rubley? I thought I remembered them talking about it.
Yes, but that has no bearing on where you are on the depth chart. Dude can play 4 whole games and keep his redshirt, looks like he isn't going to play 4 snaps this year and he's behind two other freshmen on the depth chart.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2021, 03:10:31 PM
I would say it has a bearing…what coach is gonna give first team reps to a guy who can’t play more than 4 games? I’m sure it’s fair to say Rubley hasn’t done enough to make the staff think it’s worth burning his redshirt, but other than that I don’t think you can say a whole lot else.Wasn’t the plan always to RS rubley? I thought I remembered them talking about it.
Yes, but that has no bearing on where you are on the depth chart. Dude can play 4 whole games and keep his redshirt, looks like he isn't going to play 4 snaps this year and he's behind two other freshmen on the depth chart.
More than 1 QB gets first team reps. The coaches redshirting him is indicative of the fact they don't think he's ready to play nor will he be this year.
Post by: nicname on September 13, 2021, 03:14:34 PM
We should be able to roll over Nevada’s run defense anyway.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 13, 2021, 06:18:44 PM
There is no threat to burn Rubely’s rs, even if he plays. Just battering ram Howard and feed the three-headed monster (Jac, Swervin Ervin, and Deuce) until Thompson comes back.
We should be able to roll over Nevada’s run defense anyway.
Stock up on the band aids for his elbows and we should be in good shape.
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Post by: PurpleOil on September 14, 2021, 04:53:53 PM
Anyways, that should be our strategy against Nevada.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 14, 2021, 04:55:01 PM
What year was it that we played Texas an only had like 4 passing plays the whole game, and we didn't even need them to win? I want to say it was 2009 or 2010. We literally ran on every play and won the game handily.
Anyways, that should be our strategy against Nevada.
That was CK's coming out party.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 14, 2021, 05:18:34 PM
What year was it that we played Texas an only had like 4 passing plays the whole game, and we didn't even need them to win? I want to say it was 2009 or 2010. We literally ran on every play and won the game handily.
Anyways, that should be our strategy against Nevada.
That was CK's coming out party.
Yup, that was a time when we didn't realize the hell we unleashed on Texas's defense with CK and Daniel Thomas, and it was 2010.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 14, 2021, 07:18:35 PM
What year was it that we played Texas an only had like 4 passing plays the whole game, and we didn't even need them to win? I want to say it was 2009 or 2010. We literally ran on every play and won the game handily.
Anyways, that should be our strategy against Nevada.
That was CK's coming out party.
Yup, that was a time when we didn't realize the hell we unleashed on Texas's defense with CK and Daniel Thomas, and it was 2010.
YES! I was at that game and remember that everyone was surprised when he started instead of Coffman (though I don't remember the injury), and then we just ran it down their throat over and over. It was so beautiful. Shouldn't have even bothered with the 4 passing plays.
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Kansas State, with Collin Klein starting for the injured Carson Coffman, went on to win 39–14. Entering the fourth quarter Kansas State was leading 39–0. Texas quarterback Garret Gilbert had 272 passing yards, 1 passing touchdown and 93 yards rushing, in addition to 5 interceptions. Kansas State quarterback Collin Klein had 9 passing yards on 4 attempts, 127 rushing yards and 2 rushing touchdowns. Kansas State running back Daniel Thomas had 106 rushing yards and 2 rushing touchdowns. Kansas State defensive backs Ty Zimmerman and Tyson Hartman both had 2 Garret Gilbert interceptions, while Kansas State defensive back Stephen Harrison also had 1 interception. This was the Wildcats' third straight win over the Longhorns.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 14, 2021, 07:24:25 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on September 14, 2021, 10:28:46 PM
Teams typically rally around a qb in a situation like this. Howard will be and look fine. Last weeks game was crazy weird. Our god damn coach was bawling on the field for crying out loud. Weird situation for anyone to walk into and deuce didn’t exactly help him out with that fumble.
The drive he put together to put us up 21-3 is what he is capable of so I’m optimistic as well. Outside of getting trucked by an unblocked nose guard and not tucking it I didn’t see anything from him Saturday that caused me to think he can’t win us this next one.
Post by: nicname on September 14, 2021, 10:31:56 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 15, 2021, 10:21:46 AM
Teams typically rally around a qb in a situation like this. Howard will be and look fine. Last weeks game was crazy weird. Our god damn coach was bawling on the field for crying out loud. Weird situation for anyone to walk into and deuce didn’t exactly help him out with that fumble.
The drive he put together to put us up 21-3 is what he is capable of so I’m optimistic as well. Outside of getting trucked by an unblocked nose guard and not tucking it I didn’t see anything from him Saturday that caused me to think he can’t win us this next one.
Lol. Watch the tape. He could have had two more picks. Damn dude was playing sketti' brained out there.
Post by: ChiComCat on September 15, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 15, 2021, 12:05:57 PM
Teams typically rally around a qb in a situation like this. Howard will be and look fine. Last weeks game was crazy weird. Our god damn coach was bawling on the field for crying out loud. Weird situation for anyone to walk into and deuce didn’t exactly help him out with that fumble.
Agree the team will rally around Howard and he should be fine (fine=mediocre to poor)
And I've heard this repeated, but has this part about Kli crying been confirmed? I'm sure he was emotional, but was he really full out crying on the field :dunno:, seems like this might be getting overblown
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 15, 2021, 12:31:15 PM
Teams typically rally around a qb in a situation like this. Howard will be and look fine. Last weeks game was crazy weird. Our god damn coach was bawling on the field for crying out loud. Weird situation for anyone to walk into and deuce didn’t exactly help him out with that fumble.
Agree the team will rally around Howard and he should be fine (fine=mediocre to poor)
And I've heard this repeated, but has this part about Kli crying been confirmed? I'm sure he was emotional, but was he really full out crying on the field :dunno:, seems like this might be getting overblown
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Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2021, 12:43:19 PM
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Post by: Winters on September 15, 2021, 02:01:59 PM
I’d much rather have a coach like Snyder who watches a players hip get ripped out of socket, screaming on the field and show zero empathy or human emotion.(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4MW_bAxYZGS3f3lGNB7W7A2Zo6c=/0x220:2672x2001/1400x1050/filters:focal(0x220:2672x2001):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/41921916/20141004_ajw_as4_465.JPG.0.jpg)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
There is nothing wrong with a coach being empathetic, but the team's response to what happened was not overly positive. I don't know what went on in the locker room during half-time, but the third quarter would leave me to believe there wasn't much leadership being demonstrated and that starts at the top.
Because you're seemingly a miserable person who either can't experience even being contentment, never mind satisfaction or happiness. No offense.
Post by: wiley on September 15, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
There is nothing wrong with a coach being empathetic, but the team's response to what happened was not overly positive. I don't know what went on in the locker room during half-time, but the third quarter would leave me to believe there wasn't much leadership being demonstrated and that starts at the top.Maybe im reading this wrong, but the defense started the 3rd quarter with a 3 and out (with a sack). Then the offense drove the ball 60+ yards that ended up with a 30 yard field goal.
Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2021, 03:19:27 PM
There is nothing wrong with a coach being empathetic, but the team's response to what happened was not overly positive. I don't know what went on in the locker room during half-time, but the third quarter would leave me to believe there wasn't much leadership being demonstrated and that starts at the top.Maybe im reading this wrong, but the defense started the 3rd quarter with a 3 and out (with a sack). Then the offense drove the ball 60+ yards that ended up with a 30 yard field goal.
yeah PA is wildin
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2021, 03:20:38 PM
There is nothing wrong with a coach being empathetic, but the team's response to what happened was not overly positive. I don't know what went on in the locker room during half-time, but the third quarter would leave me to believe there wasn't much leadership being demonstrated and that starts at the top.Maybe im reading this wrong, but the defense started the 3rd quarter with a 3 and out (with a sack). Then the offense drove the ball 60+ yards that ended up with a 30 yard field goal.
The defense didn't give up a score the entire half, not a single point. Dude is a weirdo. Just like last week when he was crying about the d-line who gave up like 20 yards over 30 rushes and had 4 sacks against Stanford.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 15, 2021, 04:01:29 PM
Sure, the D performed admirably but I can't excuse the offense which looked like a complete clusterfuck. But hey, let's feel good about a close win against Southern Illinois. It's not like the schedule will get any tougher.....
Post by: IPA4Me on September 15, 2021, 04:32:46 PM
Are we just conveniently forgetting about how abysmal the offensive side of the ball was?Man you're miserable
Sure, the D performed admirably but I can't excuse the offense which looked like a complete clusterfuck. But hey, let's feel good about a close win against Southern Illinois. It's not like the schedule will get any tougher.....
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Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2021, 04:53:23 PM
Methinks he cares about the Purple very deeplyAre we just conveniently forgetting about how abysmal the offensive side of the ball was?Man you're miserable
Sure, the D performed admirably but I can't excuse the offense which looked like a complete clusterfuck. But hey, let's feel good about a close win against Southern Illinois. It's not like the schedule will get any tougher.....
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Post by: PurpleOil on September 18, 2021, 09:48:31 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 18, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
Will has only thrown two pick sixes in his entire career, I doubt he throws two in the first two possessions Saturday!
I should rephrase. I meant Will Howard will likely turn the ball over in such a way that it allows Nevada to easily score 14 points, not that he'll come out of the gate and throw back to back pick 6's.
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2021, 09:52:08 AM
Post by: wiley on September 18, 2021, 11:42:17 AM
I think we can overcome 1 INT or fumble, Probably not 2. Their defense is dogshit so hopefully we bludgeon them with the 3 headed monster and only throw when they stack 8 in the box.I fear he won't check out of a run play in an 8 or 9 man box with obvious pressure coming. Beyond the over throws, pick six and not just falling down when the nose tackle was standing on top of him .005 seconds after the snap. If they haven't given howard the ability to check out of a play, they need to do the check with the sideline spoon fed offense. I felt like SIU at one point didn't care if it was obvious where pressure was coming. *admittedly i could be cherry picking a handful of plays, but it felt like it happened an awful lot.
Post by: bucket on September 18, 2021, 01:08:03 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 18, 2021, 01:09:11 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2021, 01:17:34 PM
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Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
Thanks for clarifyingWill has only thrown two pick sixes in his entire career, I doubt he throws two in the first two possessions Saturday!
I should rephrase. I meant Will Howard will likely turn the ball over in such a way that it allows Nevada to easily score 14 points, not that he'll come out of the gate and throw back to back pick 6's.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2021, 09:43:36 AM
Thanks for clarifyingWill has only thrown two pick sixes in his entire career, I doubt he throws two in the first two possessions Saturday!
I should rephrase. I meant Will Howard will likely turn the ball over in such a way that it allows Nevada to easily score 14 points, not that he'll come out of the gate and throw back to back pick 6's.
lol
Post by: DQ12 on September 19, 2021, 02:53:11 PM
Based on my review of Nevada's games so far: their run defense is total garbage. K-State facing this defense this week is a godsend. Truly a miracle.48 carries for 270 yards, win by three scores.
Cal's running backs rushed for 7.5 ypc. They gave it to their RBs just 21 times. SMH. Meanwhile, they threw the ball 38 times for 4.7 ypa. Idaho State's RB also got 7.5 ypc. F worrying about building up Howard's confidence this week. Feed the runningbacks early and often. I want the 3 headed monster to get 40 carries. Let Howard carry it 10 times too if he wants.
They have an average pass defense and an above average pass rush in my view.
Go rush for 300 yards, run 3-3-5 all game to try and stop that mad bomber crap they pull, and we should win by 3 scores.
:cool:
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2021, 12:37:18 PM
If you have a weak stomach don’t watch this
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
https://twitter.com/cowboyfb/status/1442897138854158339?s=21
If you have a weak stomach don’t watch this
Oh my God :ROFL: man he's had two of the most horrific fumbles I've ever seen, both against Oklahoma State
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
He had 3 or 4 chances to grab it and whiffed on all. Not trying to drag him. Just an observation from the slo-mo.
When he’s on the ground at the end and is eye level with it and completely missed the ball had me dying. I’m sure he was terrified but man his brain and hands just couldn’t link up.
Post by: nicname on September 29, 2021, 02:14:32 PM
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Post by: PurpleOil on September 29, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Lots of sunshine pumping on FB about Will Howard. I really want to believe, but I just can't. Not until he actually shows us an ability to lead and not buckle under pressure.
My position has not changed. In fact, I've now gotten more down on Howard.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2021, 06:35:50 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 29, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
Who in God's name was sunshine pumping Will Howard?+1
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Post by: bucket on September 29, 2021, 06:43:31 PM
Who in God's name was sunshine pumping Will Howard?
Manbeck
Post by: PurpleOil on September 30, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
Post by: Fedor on September 30, 2021, 03:29:21 PM
You guys really never saw it? I can't remember which groups, specifically it was going on in, but there were several, including the unfiltered one, where people were still "give him a chance" "stand behind your team" "you're not a true fan if" "Kleiman says he's great" etc etc etcThose quotes are hardly sunshine pumping. They are more of the enthusiastic resignation variety.
Post by: muqluk on September 30, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
Post by: wetwillie on September 30, 2021, 04:03:17 PM
I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
Post by: Pete on September 30, 2021, 04:28:09 PM
Post by: wiley on September 30, 2021, 05:49:43 PM
Did that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
Post by: ben ji on September 30, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
Post by: wetwillie on September 30, 2021, 06:17:03 PM
Did that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
If he’s a coach here in 2022 you will have your answer
Post by: wiley on September 30, 2021, 06:20:05 PM
But i wanna know now! ~ Veruca SaltDid that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
If he’s a coach here in 2022 you will have your answer
Post by: cfbandyman on September 30, 2021, 07:06:09 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
Post by: michigancat on September 30, 2021, 07:21:49 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
Post by: nicname on September 30, 2021, 08:55:16 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked pretty
Post by: muqluk on September 30, 2021, 09:00:30 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
Both looked just ‘ok’ but neither particularly better than the other.
Also, neither got any help from receivers dropping passes ‘in their hands’ - they can’t catch the balls that are in their hands at least at a 75% or better, what the hell good are they.
Post by: nicname on September 30, 2021, 09:05:36 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
Both looked just ‘ok’ but neither particularly better than the other.
Also, neither got any help from receivers dropping passes ‘in their hands’ - they can’t catch the balls that are in their hands at least at a 75% or better, what the hell good are they.
Howard looked much better imo.
Post by: muqluk on September 30, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
Any of these 3 with Tyler Lockett would look ‘very’ good - or at the least wouldn’t be bad enough for any of us to call for their backup to take over.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 30, 2021, 09:14:02 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
What? Hell naw. He was 4-12 for 50 yards.
Post by: nicname on September 30, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
What? Hell naw. He was 4-12 for 50 yards.
The passing numbers look bad, but there were at least 4 legitimate drops in there as well. I will go back and watch the replay and eat crow if I'm proven wrong. The offense looked pretty decent against a pretty good defense when he was in. The turnovers, especially the fumbles, are inexcusable tho.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 30, 2021, 09:25:09 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
What? Hell naw. He was 4-12 for 50 yards.
The passing numbers look bad, but there were at least 4 legitimate drops in there as well. I will go back and watch the replay and eat crow if I'm proven wrong. The offense looked pretty decent against a pretty good defense when he was in. The turnovers, especially the fumbles, are inexcusable tho.
Do it, you'll definitely eat crow. There may have been 1 drop and that was the pass in the end zone to Malik that may have been lost in the sun, I think it was defended. There were two more that we're absolutely defended because they were seam routes underthrown, people on twitter were calling them drops because they are dumdums. If a receiver is running anything down field; seam routes, post routes, go routes, or flag posts, and they have to either stop or come back to the ball, they are underthrown.
Check the tape, it won't take long, he only threw 12 passes and 4 of them were on the first drive. You'll see these three passes I'm talking about and the rest were just good ol incomplete passes.
Post by: muqluk on September 30, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
Been seeing them for years - partly why I’m not so down on the QB play as others. I do feel there’s serious room for improvement at the QB position also, but when passes are on target, even with no coverage, there’s a maddening amount of drops and this predates Kleiman and crew by at least 5 years.
Post by: wetwillie on September 30, 2021, 10:15:37 PM
If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
What? Hell naw. He was 4-12 for 50 yards.
The passing numbers look bad, but there were at least 4 legitimate drops in there as well. I will go back and watch the replay and eat crow if I'm proven wrong. The offense looked pretty decent against a pretty good defense when he was in. The turnovers, especially the fumbles, are inexcusable tho.
Do it, you'll definitely eat crow. There may have been 1 drop and that was the pass in the end zone to Malik that may have been lost in the sun, I think it was defended. There were two more that we're absolutely defended because they were seam routes underthrown, people on twitter were calling them drops because they are dumdums. If a receiver is running anything down field; seam routes, post routes, go routes, or flag posts, and they have to either stop or come back to the ball, they are underthrown.
Check the tape, it won't take long, he only threw 12 passes and 4 of them were on the first drive. You'll see these three passes I'm talking about and the rest were just good ol incomplete passes.
The first “drop” by Malik in the 1st quarter was a beautiful play until Jax Dineen whiffed on his block and Will had to throw it a half second early. If he gets to step into that fully he throws Malik open for a score. If he wasn’t a fumble machine I would be more optimistic about him being a serviceable QB since he is big and has decent speed and agility.
Post by: DQ12 on October 01, 2021, 07:17:40 AM
“Aside from” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
If youre going to be a “serviceable” quarterback you can’t have totally WTF turnovers fairly regularly. I could tolerate stuff like that from young Ell or young Freeman because they were dynamic enough to be “worth it” - you’d sigh and say “eh take the good with the bad I guess,” but right now Howard isn’t doing anything to offset that stuff in my mind’s eye.
The fumble on Saturday wasn’t really all that surprising. Stuff like that has come to be expected.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2021, 08:32:24 AM
Post by: wiley on October 01, 2021, 08:36:41 AM
I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:As a fan of the New York Giants, it's not fun watching that issue being fixed at the QB position (or turnovers for that matter).
Post by: DQ12 on October 01, 2021, 08:45:55 AM
I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2021, 08:50:35 AM
How many fumbles does he have this season? I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2021, 08:51:23 AM
Post by: DQ12 on October 01, 2021, 08:52:03 AM
Well he's only played in really 2 full games (~3 quarter SIU/Nevada/~1 quarter OSU) so far so that's kind of a high pace.How many fumbles does he have this season? I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 01, 2021, 09:39:19 AM
But i wanna know now! ~ Veruca SaltDid that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
If he’s a coach here in 2022 you will have your answer
Worth noting that Ray was sacked by Gundy after two years coaching WRs at Okie State. He then toiled around in the Mo Valley for a few years at Northern Iowa and Mo State before hopping on the NDSU bandwagon for one season and then tagging along with Klieman to K-State.
One downside to letting him go is the almost certainty that the staff will get collectively uglier.
Post by: Spaces on October 01, 2021, 10:22:22 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2021, 10:23:29 AM
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.And Will looked like a seal adapting to it.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 01, 2021, 10:32:48 AM
I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Considering he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, they damn sure better have emphasized it!
How many fumbles does he have this season? I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Will Howard currently has 1 passing touchdown, 3 rushing touchdowns, 1 interception, and 2 fumbles. That's a really really bad ratio, and is on pace to repeat his disastrous performance from last year.
We currently have 3 fumbles on the year, so I'm trying to recall when the other one occurred.
Post by: Winters on October 01, 2021, 10:40:34 AM
Deuce vs. SIU.I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Considering he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, they damn sure better have emphasized it!How many fumbles does he have this season? I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.I think fumbles can be improved. :dunno:i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason!
"See this? Remember NOT to drop it."
Will Howard currently has 1 passing touchdown, 3 rushing touchdowns, 1 interception, and 2 fumbles. That's a really really bad ratio, and is on pace to repeat his disastrous performance from last year.
We currently have 3 fumbles on the year, so I'm trying to recall when the other one occurred.
Post by: wetwillie on October 01, 2021, 11:41:06 AM
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.
Did you watch the slow mo video in this very thread?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2021, 11:41:48 AM
“Aside from” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK
So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run
The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore
I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.
I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked prettygoodserviceable before he left the game injured.
If youre going to be a “serviceable” quarterback you can’t have totally WTF turnovers fairly regularly. I could tolerate stuff like that from young Ell or young Freeman because they were dynamic enough to be “worth it” - you’d sigh and say “eh take the good with the bad I guess,” but right now Howard isn’t doing anything to offset that stuff in my mind’s eye.
The fumble on Saturday wasn’t really all that surprising. Stuff like that has come to be expected.
The word.
Also I'd bet my life that Will Howard has the highest fumble rate of any quarterback at K-State the last 25 years. The only other one that was even close was Ell but he had way more touches.
Post by: wetwillie on October 01, 2021, 11:42:07 AM
But i wanna know now! ~ Veruca SaltDid that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?
They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.
Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward
They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
If he’s a coach here in 2022 you will have your answer
Worth noting that Ray was sacked by Gundy after two years coaching WRs at Okie State. He then toiled around in the Mo Valley for a few years at Northern Iowa and Mo State before hopping on the NDSU bandwagon for one season and then tagging along with Klieman to K-State.
One downside to letting him go is the almost certainty that the staff will get collectively uglier.
He is a very attractive man
Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2021, 11:43:21 AM
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.
What? It wasn't perfect but it hit him dead in his hands, that was a routine snap.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2021, 11:46:29 AM
Post by: CHONGS on October 01, 2021, 12:08:16 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on October 01, 2021, 12:40:11 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2021, 12:44:07 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 01, 2021, 12:52:09 PM
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.Narrator: he was
Post by: muqluk on October 01, 2021, 01:08:45 PM
Ray seems to be coaching the kick and punt returners as well.
The TEs can catch balls thrown near them. No idea about the FBs as I can’t recall a target to them yet this season. Granted they’ve (mostly?) been transfers and presumably were coached decently well previously.
Messingham is the WR coach now - but one (ongoing) season isn’t really fair to pin the issues all on him at WR.
This is the problem I have at laying the problems so squarely on the QBs - whichever, doesn’t matter. The TEs can catch, as can Vaughn. Different routes being ran by them, sure - but that is more an indictment on play calling if those routes are so dramatically different. Why the problems with WRs getting open and catching the ball?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
That dude doesn't play for anyone right now.If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.Narrator: he was
Post by: DQ12 on October 01, 2021, 01:38:20 PM
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.I still think Howard could be actually good as early as next year.
Post by: Pete on October 01, 2021, 01:40:36 PM
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.I still think Howard could be actually good as early as next year.
I hope we go get a Juco, like we should have last year. I want an undersized, hard throwing scrambler who doesn't get a look from the bigger schools because he doesn't pass the eye test, but somehow always seems to find a way to win,.
Post by: DQ12 on October 01, 2021, 01:45:49 PM
Yeah, I don't think Juco QBs are really too in vogue anymore for whatever reason. Seems like FCS has kind of supplanted it.If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.I still think Howard could be actually good as early as next year.
I hope we go get a Juco, like we should have last year. I want an undersized, hard throwing scrambler who doesn't get a look from the bigger schools because he doesn't pass the eye test, but somehow always seems to find a way to win,.
Post by: nicname on October 01, 2021, 01:48:26 PM
One interesting thing to think about is whether Lewis has the ability to be utilized on the QB run game. He obviously wasn’t on Saturday, but how much of that is Lewis’ capability and how much is Mess and Co. not wanting to turn to the 4th and 5th stringers?
Post by: Spaces on October 01, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Yeah, even in slow mo you can tell it was fired in there low and to his left. Then it gets kicked on the ground. Unfortunate play but stuff like that happens in CFB. Will'll be fine.The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.
Did you watch the slow mo video in this very thread?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2021, 02:18:27 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Post by: Trim on October 02, 2021, 02:24:31 PM
So the team finished warmups by throwing one fade to the left and one fade to the right. Thompson hit the receiver in stride both times. Lewis overthrew one and hit the second in stride. Will severely underthrew both fades, in warm-up, no defense.
Good job will not fumbling before the underthrows.
Post by: nicname on November 06, 2021, 12:44:45 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 06, 2021, 08:55:42 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
When Howard went in today the announcers said the coaches told them earlier how they admire his skills and physical size. They feel like he will be very good next year.He showed off his athleticism! He woulda had at least 100 yards rushing if he'd started
Post by: cfbandyman on November 06, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
He’s gonna look great in the second half today
Ngl he actually was, those penalties weren't in him, not trying to gE or anything he actually looked competent
Post by: PurpleOil on November 08, 2021, 04:37:08 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 08, 2021, 08:46:40 PM
https://twitter.com/RobertKSUfan/status/1457715713481793537?s=20
Would Will Howard be the best KU QB over the last 10 years? I don't want to look it up but I'm guessing his 3 big12 wins are more than any KU QB over that same time period.
Post by: Cire on November 09, 2021, 01:17:28 PM
TONS of diamond and play action.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 16, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
Post by: Cire on November 16, 2021, 04:09:27 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2021, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
Screams grad transfer QB incoming to me
I hope we get a grad transfer for nothing else that as of now there will be only 2 QBs on the roster that the coaches want touching the ball in a game, at all. That being said how does preserving his red shirt this year scream grad transfer QB to you? If it did indicate something wouldn't it indicate the opposite.
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2021, 07:16:27 PM
Screams grad transfer QB incoming to me
I hope we get a grad transfer for nothing else that as of now there will be only 2 QBs on the roster that the coaches want touching the ball in a game, at all. That being said how does preserving his red shirt this year scream grad transfer QB to you? If it did indicate something wouldn't it indicate the opposite.
I just want a transfer QB cause I don’t want Will, not much more than that.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 16, 2021, 08:40:50 PM
Post by: bucket on November 16, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
Agreed, I want that too for a safety blanket. MIR, I also think it’s kinda weird you’re already counting Rubley out. I get you saw him play one HS game you disliked and he’s not traveling with the team right now, but hold onto hope. There’s something everyone in the world saw before he landed at K-State.
Some competition for Rubley wouldn't be a bad thing.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 16, 2021, 08:46:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2021, 08:47:19 PM
Agreed. This is why I want Brewer, until one of these guys are ready to take over in 2023.
We can do better than that
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 16, 2021, 08:52:13 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on November 17, 2021, 11:41:57 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on November 17, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
also as a fan of a grad transfer
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2021, 11:48:11 AM
i would like to go on the record as a Will Howard supporter
also as a fan of a grad transfer
If I said you get Will Howard or a grad transfer Adrian Martinez who you choosing?
Post by: LickNeckey on November 17, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 17, 2021, 11:52:07 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 17, 2021, 11:53:48 AM
Howard redshirting might mean that the staff isn't that sold on Rubley.Or they like to have options and see something in practice with Howard, that doesn't translate to gameday for some reason.
Post by: LickNeckey on November 17, 2021, 11:58:41 AM
why waste a year of potential eligibility to let him play scrub minutes?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 17, 2021, 11:59:48 AM
Post by: meow meow on November 17, 2021, 12:10:53 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2021, 12:17:11 PM
i am not sure that this move is anything more than keeping a year of eligibility on a guy
why waste a year of potential eligibility to let him play scrub minutes?
Red shirt really only means he could have a 6th year if he wanted it right? 2020 basically was his redshirt year since they gave everyone a free pass from covid.
Post by: WildcatNation on November 17, 2021, 01:20:49 PM
Adrian Martinez's gf goes to k-state :surprised:
Do not want. He is bad.
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2021, 01:29:56 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2021, 01:35:41 PM
Can't a player ask to not play and lose the redshirt year if they know they're probably going to need to transfer and want to have more eligibility as they pursue those options?
They get one free transfer and don’t have to sit and got a free year last year to boot. I can’t imagine many of these kids really want to play 6 years but maybe Will does.
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2021, 03:03:10 PM
Can't a player ask to not play and lose the redshirt year if they know they're probably going to need to transfer and want to have more eligibility as they pursue those options?
They get one free transfer and don’t have to sit and got a free year last year to boot. I can’t imagine many of these kids really want to play 6 years but maybe Will does.
Right, I was thinking more about how it might help, and certainly wouldn't hurt, his attractiveness to other schools he might want to transfer to.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2021, 08:36:02 PM
Agreed, I want that too for a safety blanket. MIR, I also think it’s kinda weird you’re already counting Rubley out. I get you saw him play one HS game you disliked and he’s not traveling with the team right now, but hold onto hope. There’s something everyone in the world saw before he landed at K-State.
I'm counting Rubley out because he's currently looked at by the coaches as the fifth best quarterback on the roster right now, it has nothing to do with high school. He has not developed physically and I've talked to people who have seen him in practice who weren't impressed at all. It's possible he eventually bridges the sizable gap currently between him and a Big 12 starting quarterback but as of now he's much closer to being a big evaluation miss.
Rubley very well might be an exception but it's very rare for a quarterback to go from completely off the depth chart to leading a P5 program.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 17, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 18, 2021, 08:39:01 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 09:41:04 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 09:42:14 AM
Rubley has been underwhelming.You saw him practice?!!!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 10:04:08 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
@sonofdaxjones how did he look in practice?!
I have no idea, I'm just passing along the word from people who see him practice every day.
I know he's your guy, and he's part of the WackyTuck recruiting deflection methodology, but he's just not that good. Sorry for all of us K-State fans, bro.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 11:22:38 AM
:lol: You've never seen him play and you know nobody who's seen him play. STFU :lol:@sonofdaxjones how did he look in practice?!
I have no idea, I'm just passing along the word from people who see him practice every day.
I know he's your guy, and he's part of the WackyTuck recruiting deflection methodology, but he's just not that good. Sorry for all of us K-State fans, bro.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 11:32:11 AM
:lol: You've never seen him play and you know nobody who's seen him play. STFU :lol:@sonofdaxjones how did he look in practice?!
I have no idea, I'm just passing along the word from people who see him practice every day.
I know he's your guy, and he's part of the WackyTuck recruiting deflection methodology, but he's just not that good. Sorry for all of us K-State fans, bro.
So MIR says the dude isn't that good and has miles to go before he's even close to being ready to play P5 football, and you just take on face value.
Then when I pass along direct information from someone on staff, and you as expected get all :curse:
LOL #onbrand
My information comes from people who see the dude practice every day.
My gawd you're such a rough ridin' psycho :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 11:38:03 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
:lol: You think everyone and everything sucks. You have zero merit. You've created this persona. Congrats!
Again, I'm talking with someone who thinks all factual conversation relative to K-State, KC, The Chiefs, The Royals etc. etc. is "shitting all over them". A dude who is a total whack-a-doo
Only an extreme dumbass (so, you) would think that I'm happy about the fact that Rubley has been wholly underwhelming and no where close to threatening for playing time, at this time.
I get your angle, because Rubley is the benchmark for all out defense of K-State recruiting, when for the most part, it's just dudes in a thread talking about recruiting. But when it's not all puppy dogs and unicorns 24/7/365 WackyTuck is :curse: :curse: :curse:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 11:50:29 AM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on November 18, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 11:55:38 AM
You're so weird, bro. Maybe I listen to people like MIR, because they take the time, logic, and investment into the program and you throw darts from your shitty shack from Alabama. Stop being a complete weirdo. You get along with nobody on this board, so maybe it's time to look in the mirror on why that is.
:lol: :lol: Everybody knows you're a total parody, and I get along with everybody.
You're just all pissed off because you made Jake Rubley your go to for all defense of K-State recruiting. Now the word is out, and the kid is no where close to being ready for Power 5 football.
Which is one reason K-State will likely need to hit the transfer portal this year.
But again, shame on me for engaging you knowing that you lose your crap when anyone talks about the reality of the situation.
Just keep raging on WackyTuck aka WackyTownie
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 11:57:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 11:59:05 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
If anything, if said result is true, the "YOU SHOULD RECRUIT MORE 4 AND 5 STARS, DO BETTER AT RECRUITING" crowd looks dumb af here, dax. But carry on. You get along with everyone. :lol:
I don't look at star ratings that closely WackyTuck.
Again, you stupidly think that I'm happy about what I've heard, when in fact, the exact opposite is the case.
I hesitate to say this, since I apparently think everybody sucks, but Vaughn having a potentially ineffective QB is less than ideal. ProTip for you: I'm saying Vaughn is good.
Post by: CHONGS on November 18, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
Look we get it, can we move on?
Post by: mocat on November 18, 2021, 05:04:03 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 05:57:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 07:42:06 PM
WackyTuck aka WackyTownie: Oh okay
Incredible poster Dax: Rubley isn’t close
WackyTuck aka WackyTownie: Total meltdown (as usual).
#frown
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2021, 07:50:59 PM
MIR: Rubley is a recruiting misevaluation and no where close to being a P5 QB
I don't want any of y'alls smoke, but I will clarify that I'm not definite that he's a recruiting miss at this point. Only than he's currently closer to a miss than he is ever starting a game here. I guess it's possible he gains 20 pounds of muscle over the summer and starts being an accurate passer :dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
WackyTuck aka WackyTownie can crap the board all day long. But that’s where things stand as of right now.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 08:06:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
Post by: stunted on November 18, 2021, 08:23:40 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 08:47:24 PM
I mean the staff was optimistic about Howard and he still isn’t great, if they’re feeling down on Rubley then what does that tell you. Have they publicly said anything about him?I mean, he’s a true Freshman and is obviously red shirting, I don’t know why this sounds the alarms for some, but, whatever.
In regards to do I think MIR is more reliable to K-State football news? eff yes I do. Dax graduated in like the 1950’s and hasn’t been back to Manhattan in years and shits on home all the time. MIR is a season ticket holder and heavily invested. I also think he saw one HS game of his in Iowa and was ready to tell everyone he’s overrated and not ready. I’ve never seen him play and neither has Dax and MIR saw some rando game. Any “insider” Dax has at K-State is probably chuck from the bait shop, who’s recently retired. My apologies if I’ll stay positive and wait to see what I see in the future.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 08:55:51 PM
Dax, what’s in the cup tonight?
I call it the WackyTuck aka WackyTownie Ragefest 24/7/365: Extra Anejo Tequila, Fireball and Mad Dog 2020
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
I mean the staff was optimistic about Howard and he still isn’t great, if they’re feeling down on Rubley then what does that tell you. Have they publicly said anything about him?I mean, he’s a true Freshman and is obviously red shirting, I don’t know why this sounds the alarms for some, but, whatever.
In regards to do I think MIR is more reliable to K-State football news? eff yes I do. Dax graduated in like the 1950’s and hasn’t been back to Manhattan in years and shits on home all the time. MIR is a season ticket holder and heavily invested. I also think he saw one HS game of his in Iowa and was ready to tell everyone he’s overrated and not ready. I’ve never seen him play and neither has Dax and MIR saw some rando game. Any “insider” Dax has at K-State is probably chuck from the bait shop, who’s recently retired. My apologies if I’ll stay positive and wait to see what I see in the future.
I was at the game last Saturday.
The insider is on staff.
WackyTuck Rage Factor: 11/10
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 09:00:36 PM
Why do you hate positive fans so much? Is your life that miserable? Woof!
I don't hate positive fans, I dislike rage oriented fans who meltdown at every self perceived slight, aka: You
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 09:03:10 PM
lol. You’ve went full on name attacking in this thread, because I don’t believe message board rumors that Rubley is a done deal. Relax and hug your spouse and have a great Thanksgiving, friend. Go cats!Why do you hate positive fans so much? Is your life that miserable? Woof!
I don't hate positive fans, I dislike rage oriented fans who meltdown at every self perceived slight, aka: You
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 09:05:07 PM
lol. You’ve went full on name attacking in this thread, because I don’t believe message board rumors that Rubley is a done deal. Relax and hug your spouse and have a great Thanksgiving, friend. Go cats!Why do you hate positive fans so much? Is your life that miserable? Woof!
I don't hate positive fans, I dislike rage oriented fans who meltdown at every self perceived slight, aka: You
You've literally taken "at this point in time" and turned it into "is a done deal". FFS, that's just so pathetic and sad.
Again, shame on me for even responding to your bullshit. You're one of the thinnest skinned K-State fans I've ever come across, which is amazing.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 09:06:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 09:07:13 PM
Have a great night, bud. Go cats!
Have a great night, WackyTuck aka WackyTownie
Post by: ben ji on November 18, 2021, 09:07:31 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 09:14:42 PM
I’ll be in Perdido tomorrow and watching the cats from there all week if you’d like to belly up at the Floribama bar with me and cheer on the cats! I know it’s your favorite place on earth, so we can take it in together! :emawkid:Have a great night, bud. Go cats!
Have a great night, WackyTuck aka WackyTownie
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2021, 09:16:53 PM
I’ll be in Perdido tomorrow and watching the cats from there all week if you’d like to belly up at the Floribama bar with me and cheer on the cats! I know it’s your favorite place on earth, so we can take it in together! :emawkid:Have a great night, bud. Go cats!
Have a great night, WackyTuck aka WackyTownie
No thanks, I'll be in North Carolina all week. Which in and of itself will trigger TF out of you for a few days.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 09:19:24 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2021, 11:25:38 PM
Legit Question. You have a insider on staff former Snyder? Lattimore isn’t there anymore. Do you know Stan Weber?I mean the staff was optimistic about Howard and he still isn’t great, if they’re feeling down on Rubley then what does that tell you. Have they publicly said anything about him?I mean, he’s a true Freshman and is obviously red shirting, I don’t know why this sounds the alarms for some, but, whatever.
In regards to do I think MIR is more reliable to K-State football news? eff yes I do. Dax graduated in like the 1950’s and hasn’t been back to Manhattan in years and shits on home all the time. MIR is a season ticket holder and heavily invested. I also think he saw one HS game of his in Iowa and was ready to tell everyone he’s overrated and not ready. I’ve never seen him play and neither has Dax and MIR saw some rando game. Any “insider” Dax has at K-State is probably chuck from the bait shop, who’s recently retired. My apologies if I’ll stay positive and wait to see what I see in the future.
I was at the game last Saturday.
The insider is on staff.
WackyTuck Rage Factor: 11/10
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 06:10:50 AM
On the current staff.
I know you think I’m making this up, have no connections, hate K-State and think everyone sucks.
So just stop, have a great week with the Florabama Shore cast, and don’t over indulge on the Bushwackers.
Post by: wetwillie on November 19, 2021, 06:31:11 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 07:14:34 AM
Dax what is your connection saying about a Transfer QB coming in for 2022?I’ll see if I can find out.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2021, 07:19:13 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2021, 08:37:18 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2021, 08:47:29 AM
As long as we land a freshman QB in every class, it won't matter that much if Rubley is a bust. I'm still hopeful that he ends up being a stud, but the fact that we haven't seen him this year doesn't bode well.
Well we won't have a QB in this class so we need a transfer and a hope we land Avery Johnson this summer and he isn't a bust.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 08:58:02 AM
Dax what is your connection saying about a Transfer QB coming in for 2022?
Captain Obvious-Everyone knows this, but active pursuit of a transfer is under way.
WackyTuck aka WackyTownie psychotic break in 3 - 2 - 1 . . .
Standby for: "I'm not melting down (as usual) you are "
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2021, 09:35:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 09:39:04 AM
:lol: Hot hitting insider material, dax.
I don't say it was WackyTuck aka WackyTownie
Thought you were headed off to the beach. Surprised you're still hanging with us down here in the mass of the great unwashed.
#wackytriggered
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2021, 09:44:52 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
It's weird how planes take off during different times of the day.
Wacky, please fanning brag TF out of dialing us low life's up from the custom leather bound chairs of the family G800.
We need pics and everything.
#gofanningbragorgohomemf'ers
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2021, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 10:00:19 AM
*Bandwidth provided by Viasat-Gulfstream :frown:
Post by: Cire on November 19, 2021, 01:53:17 PM
Already has a multitude of starts under his belt. He's an effective enough runner. decision making/ability to read defense has to be coached and Mess will have to design the offense to fit his needs which I THINK mess is capable of but I guess remains to be seen.
Shouldn't need rubley until he's a Junior. Ride out Will Howard.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2021, 01:55:45 PM
Will howard needs to be the guy for the next 2 years.
Already has a multitude of starts under his belt. He's an effective enough runner. decision making/ability to read defense has to be coached and Mess will have to design the offense to fit his needs which I THINK mess is capable of but I guess remains to be seen.
Shouldn't need rubley until he's a Junior. Ride out Will Howard.
I am prone to agree. If he can get a good off season working on footwork and reads, coupled with his ability to run the ball. I like the idea of Deuce having a running threat at QB, as long as they don't go full Snyder and sghetti brain the kid.
Give Rubley 2 more years. That said, they're probably looking for depth.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2021, 05:10:39 PM
Will howard needs to be the guy for the next 2 years.
Already has a multitude of starts under his belt. He's an effective enough runner. decision making/ability to read defense has to be coached and Mess will have to design the offense to fit his needs which I THINK mess is capable of but I guess remains to be seen.
Shouldn't need rubley until he's a Junior. Ride out Will Howard.
Will Howard should be able to run the Collin Klein offense, especially while sharing the backfield with the second best running back this program has ever had, should. Will's problem is his inexcusable aversion to ball security, it's stunning. It's not like he's some dynamic runner holding the ball like a track baton like Ell did. His running style shouldn't result in as many fumbles as he has.
Post by: ben ji on November 19, 2021, 06:13:12 PM
Will howard needs to be the guy for the next 2 years.
Already has a multitude of starts under his belt. He's an effective enough runner. decision making/ability to read defense has to be coached and Mess will have to design the offense to fit his needs which I THINK mess is capable of but I guess remains to be seen.
Shouldn't need rubley until he's a Junior. Ride out Will Howard.
Will Howard should be able to run the Collin Klein offense, especially while sharing the backfield with the second best running back this program has ever had, should. Will's problem is his inexcusable aversion to ball security, it's stunning. It's not like he's some dynamic runner holding the ball like a track baton like Ell did. His running style shouldn't result in as many fumbles as he has.
:lol:
Post by: IPA4Me on November 22, 2021, 11:56:59 AM
(Sky plays in the bowl game.)
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 22, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 22, 2021, 02:51:58 PM
I'm not really caught up on this thread, but from what I gather is that some think we have good QB's that aren't playing for whatever reason and some think we have terrible QB's that are going to play if ST can't play. I think both of those scenarios are pretty terrible, but that's just my :th_twocents:What MIR said was correct. Was no use in burning a possible RS in mop up duties down 2 scores. If Skylar can't go I would assume we burn that sucker and play Will Friday
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 22, 2021, 02:57:01 PM
I'm not really caught up on this thread, but from what I gather is that some think we have good QB's that aren't playing for whatever reason and some think we have terrible QB's that are going to play if ST can't play. I think both of those scenarios are pretty terrible, but that's just my :th_twocents:What MIR said was correct. Was no use in burning a possible RS in mop up duties down 2 scores. If Skylar can't go I would assume we burn that sucker and play Will Friday
That's a fair point, but from what i've seen, if we are hitching our wagon to Will Howard, we are in trouble so I don't really give a crap if we burn his redshirt or not. :dunno:
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2021, 04:02:51 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on November 26, 2021, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: Winters on November 26, 2021, 11:24:22 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 26, 2021, 11:50:04 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 26, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Freak/ stud
Post by: PurpleOil on November 26, 2021, 11:57:22 AM
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 11:57:57 AM
Post by: Trim on November 26, 2021, 12:02:00 PM
https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 26, 2021, 12:04:18 PM
Also, why are we letting him throw?
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 12:07:38 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 01:19:38 PM
I really, really want to like him as a player, but I just don't see any way he'll ever be good. I don't even know if he can be "ok" as an experienced senior.
He could be effective with a capable OC. Snyder & Dimel would have Howard 2nd team all conference.
Post by: ben ji on November 26, 2021, 01:22:12 PM
This, just run the read option and QB power over and over with slightly different wrinkles. He should only be throwing the ball 10 times a game.I really, really want to like him as a player, but I just don't see any way he'll ever be good. I don't even know if he can be "ok" as an experienced senior.
He could be effective with a capable OC. Snyder & Dimel would have Howard 2nd team all conference.
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 01:25:31 PM
Post by: KSNimrod on November 26, 2021, 01:27:39 PM
Deep ball to Landry Weber, they never saw it comingMight as well. He just had one of the most pitiful attempts at a block on that wide receiver screen I’ve seen in awhile…
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Post by: Kat Kid on November 26, 2021, 01:33:31 PM
so i guess he's big and fast, but also clumsy and can't throw. is there any position where those skills would make him a good player?Tight end
Post by: Trim on November 26, 2021, 01:34:26 PM
so i guess he's big and fast, but also clumsy and can't throw. is there any position where those skills would make him a good player?
Nose tackle.
Post by: sys on November 26, 2021, 01:38:10 PM
so i guess he's big and fast, but also clumsy and can't throw. is there any position where those skills would make him a good player?Tight end
let's move him!
Post by: muqluk on November 26, 2021, 03:56:09 PM
This thread is whipping a dead horse
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 03:59:46 PM
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Post by: steve dave on November 26, 2021, 04:00:34 PM
Howard is badThe horse is out there losing games as we speak. It’s alive as crap
This thread is whipping a dead horse
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:04:48 PM
I believe Will Howard could have led this team to victory today w/ a competent OC.
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Yep
Post by: kstatefreak42 on November 26, 2021, 04:29:35 PM
He has stiff hips/awful lateral movement.
Weak inaccurate arm
Panics in the pocket
This guy is a backup QB at best and has no business on the field regardless of who the OC is.
PS, fire the damn OC
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
Will Howard has great size and good speed.How do you know his size?
He has stiff hips/awful lateral movement.
Weak inaccurate arm
Panics in the pocket
This guy is a backup QB at best and has no business on the field regardless of who the OC is.
PS, fire the damn OC
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 26, 2021, 05:44:19 PM
Will Howard has great size and good speed.How do you know his size?
He has stiff hips/awful lateral movement.
Weak inaccurate arm
Panics in the pocket
This guy is a backup QB at best and has no business on the field regardless of who the OC is.
PS, fire the damn OC
Some individuals will grow into the role over time. Others will show you what they got right out of the gate
Post by: muqluk on November 26, 2021, 06:06:37 PM
I believe Will Howard could have led this team to victory today w/ a competent OC.
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Yep
And yet, with the current OC Tom Brady under center would likely lose
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 26, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2021, 06:59:32 PM
I agree with this, but it isn’t saying much. If Howard is our QB next year we are boned.I believe Will Howard could have led this team to victory today w/ a competent OC.
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Yep
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 26, 2021, 07:09:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 09:08:48 PM
I agree with this, but it isn’t saying much. If Howard is our QB next year we are boned.I believe Will Howard could have led this team to victory today w/ a competent OC.
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Yep
He won't be.
Post by: Pete on October 22, 2022, 07:28:11 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on October 22, 2022, 07:51:57 PM
What if he is awesome now?
I’m not going to lie to you Pete the thought has crossed my mind.
Post by: Katpappy on October 22, 2022, 07:55:59 PM
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kono
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
Remember when Klein was the worst QB coach in the county? lmfao
Yes! All our dumbass fans crying about QB development can suck a massive, veiny male genitals
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 22, 2022, 08:23:10 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on October 22, 2022, 09:26:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2022, 09:28:43 PM
Jake Rubley time!Just imagine if he's improved as much as Will!
Post by: KITNfury on October 22, 2022, 10:23:10 PM
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Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
He was fine until he got injured. And this is from a guy who never wanted him to play another snap for the Cats.He was much better than "fine" before he got hurt
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 22, 2022, 11:15:18 PM
He was fine until he got injured. And this is from a guy who never wanted him to play another snap for the Cats.He was much better than "fine" before he got hurt
definitely. one of the bright spots of a frustrating game; prior to getting hurt, made some great decisions, through some nice passes, ran well
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Post by: wetwillie on October 22, 2022, 11:48:46 PM
He was fine until he got injured. And this is from a guy who never wanted him to play another snap for the Cats.He was much better than "fine" before he got hurt
His throw to Malik that was nearly a touchdown was maybe the best throw of the year. He has gotten a lot better.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 23, 2022, 01:04:19 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2022, 03:04:32 AM
Lol don’t be a weird white knight. He’s a sometimes decent backup, no more no less.
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Does he suck or is he a decent backup? Make up your mind. You said a backup quarterback, who hasn't played a snap in 11 months, sucked after he was 13/20 for 225 yards and 3 touchdowns.
I suspect he would might be frustrating as an everyday starter, but it's rough ridin' outrageous to think he hasn't improved in the year since we've seen him last.
Post by: pissclams on October 23, 2022, 12:30:39 PM
Post by: Cire on October 23, 2022, 12:53:51 PM
He was fantastic
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2022, 01:14:24 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2022, 02:07:48 PM
Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 23, 2022, 02:14:48 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 23, 2022, 03:04:49 PM
Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Why?
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 23, 2022, 03:23:40 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on October 23, 2022, 03:49:59 PM
Because he’s going to tell everybody how wrong they are about Will Howard, and then go all-in on a high school senior. :dunno:Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Why?
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Post by: wetwillie on October 23, 2022, 03:55:23 PM
Because he’s going to tell everybody how wrong they are about Will Howard, and then go all-in on a high school senior. :dunno:Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Why?
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I love Avery Johnson as much as anyone here but no way he looks better than what we saw from Will last night by august 2023. He made some serious improvement to get to where he is now, it’s remarkable.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2022, 06:49:35 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 23, 2022, 08:32:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2022, 09:48:38 PM
Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Why?
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https://youtu.be/1iA8APSRzQ0
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Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2022, 08:30:54 AM
Will Howard played his ass off and showed what the coaches had to be seeing at practice. I'm curious how much of the passing game was different play calls from the 9AM offense and how much was Howard being willing to uncork it downfield.
good chance both factors are at play. I don't think AM's shoulder is close to 100% which would probably lead to less uncorking.
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
There is zero chance in my mind that our staff will have Avery ready to go in the fall mentally or physically.
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I bet he pushes close for it and plays some but Will got a lot better and made it considerably more difficult.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2022, 09:00:01 AM
Will Howard played his ass off and showed what the coaches had to be seeing at practice. I'm curious how much of the passing game was different play calls from the 9AM offense and how much was Howard being willing to uncork it downfield.
I don't think they changed the offense at all. Howard was just slinging it.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2022, 09:25:19 AM
You dorks are forgetting that TCU was prepared for Martinez to run and barely throw, then Howard comes in and throws a bunch. He was less productive after halftime. He’s still the same guy, and if he starts next week we get ran out of our own stadium
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Being on the sideline getting a nerve blocker in your left shoulder will certainly reduce productivity.
Post by: catastrophe on October 24, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 24, 2022, 09:51:37 AM
You dorks are forgetting that TCU was prepared for Martinez to run and barely throw, then Howard comes in and throws a bunch.
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If teams are so poorly prepared for a passing attack that Will Howard destroys them in the first half, it's embarrassing that 9AM hasn't done more. Howard had a helluva game and threw some great balls, and one Kade made a great play on, regardless of the defense.
I'm not terribly confident in him being the starter this year or next but I feel like there is far more upside to his game than we've seen before last weekend.
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
Yeah he drove the field pretty effectively in Q3 before getting injured.
Also had the drive that should have put us down 3 in the 4th that he converted a 4th and long to Brooks and missed a wide open Kade in the endzone for a score. I’m not saying he’s a world beater but whatever mental crap he had going on last year appears to be behind him.
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Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2022, 10:30:53 AM
I%u2019m just saying that if he starts this week, we lose by at least three scores
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lol no.
There have only been 4 3-score games in the Big 12 so far this year (2 for OU :sdeek:)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2022, 10:51:10 AM
Will Howard played his ass off and showed what the coaches had to be seeing at practice. I'm curious how much of the passing game was different play calls from the 9AM offense and how much was Howard being willing to uncork it downfield.
good chance both factors are at play. I don't think AM's shoulder is close to 100% which would probably lead to less uncorking.
Yeah, absolutely both. Even if Adrian wasn't hurt during the Iowa State game we know that the philosophy of this staff is to get more reps for the depth players during the bye. Also Howard has to have a better sense of the playbook, and the reads within it.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 24, 2022, 11:02:34 AM
We’ll see, kRusty!I%u2019m just saying that if he starts this week, we lose by at least three scores
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lol no.
There have only been 4 3-score games in the Big 12 so far this year (2 for OU :sdeek:)
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Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2022, 08:24:22 PM
i think we will win by double digits this weekend. i’m an optimist, sue me!
We have gone from 2 point dogs to 1.5 point favorites, the sharps agree with you on a win.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
The game also looks a little different if we make even one of two field goals. Thought Will played well but getting blanked in the second half is a real stinker.
Yeah, the first kick was into the wind and we probably would have tried to convert 4th down if Howard didn't get hurt. The second miss was bad, though. Kicking has been awful all year.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 24, 2022, 08:52:08 PM
Kicking Woes Continue As 'Cats Doink Away Another Upset
Post by: nicname on October 24, 2022, 09:55:23 PM
https://watchstadium.com/collegekickers-when-they-make-miss-field-goals-by-distance-situation-and-more-06-11-2019/amp/
Tennant is 14/22 (63.6%)for his career, which is low. Sports reference doesn’t include distances for college kickers.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Interesting data showing fg makes, attempts and accuracy % for all college kickers from various distances…
https://watchstadium.com/collegekickers-when-they-make-miss-field-goals-by-distance-situation-and-more-06-11-2019/amp/
Tennant is 14/22 (63.6%)for his career, which is low. Sports reference doesn’t include distances for college kickers.
That's a good link, thank you. When I have time I'm going to look up the distance of his attempts to compare him to those numbers. I feel like most of this attempts are 37-43 yards.
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2022, 08:19:52 AM
Interesting data showing fg makes, attempts and accuracy % for all college kickers from various distances…
https://watchstadium.com/collegekickers-when-they-make-miss-field-goals-by-distance-situation-and-more-06-11-2019/amp/
Tennant is 14/22 (63.6%)for his career, which is low. Sports reference doesn’t include distances for college kickers.
someone needs to teach that dude about standard deviation
Post by: OB_Won on October 25, 2022, 04:22:05 PM
i think we will win by double digits this weekend. i’m an optimist, sue me!(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/youve-been-served-legal-document-600w-1483164578.jpg)
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2022, 07:13:48 PM
i think we will win by double digits this weekend. i’m an optimist, sue me!(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/youve-been-served-legal-document-600w-1483164578.jpg)
you are going to jail
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2022, 10:13:42 PM
There is zero chance in my mind that our staff will have Avery ready to go in the fall mentally or physically.
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This staff’s track record with QBs should give you confidence in their ability to develop Johnson.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2022, 11:06:17 PM
There is zero chance in my mind that our staff will have Avery ready to go in the fall mentally or physically.
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This staff’s track record with QBs should give you confidence in their ability to develop Johnson.
Right, these cats have put like 80 quarterbacks in the NFL and we still have people on this bullshit. Frankly, 2019 Skylar Thompson should have killed this talking point before it even got started.
Post by: michigancat on October 26, 2022, 07:13:24 AM
There is zero chance in my mind that our staff will have Avery ready to go in the fall mentally or physically.
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This staff’s track record with QBs should give you confidence in their ability to develop Johnson.
Right, these cats have put like 80 quarterbacks in the NFL and we still have people on this bullshit. Frankly, 2019 Skylar Thompson should have killed this talking point before it even got started.
I don't think their track record with QBs is super relevant to what they can do with Johnson in a single fall camp. And Johnson not being ready next says little to nothing about their ability to develop QBs!
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 08:12:26 AM
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 08:13:31 AM
He's the best player every time on the field and it's not close. He's not playing in florida, california, or texas JFC
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 08:14:25 AM
Freshman Skylar was thicker.
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2022, 08:24:04 AM
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 09:50:27 AM
IF he's the Day 1 starter next year the offense will have to be completley retooled for AJ
DO NOT see that happening in a year...
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2022, 11:11:03 AM
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
I don't think he'll be ready next year, certainly not in the offense we're running this year. Not sure why that's controversial.
Post by: michigancat on October 26, 2022, 11:19:40 AM
He could be great,
I don't think he'll be ready next year, certainly not in the offense we're running this year. Not sure why that's controversial.
why do you think the offense wouldn't change?
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 11:29:26 AM
If we run that with avery he will get destroyed. It's one thing to try it with Adrian Martinez and Will Howard, both of those guys are significantly bigger. Avery isn't built the same.
But our runnig game and a lot of our Play action/RPO is off of QB power
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2022, 11:37:42 AM
I mean, our entire run game is based off of the qb read/power.
If we run that with avery he will get destroyed. It's one thing to try it with Adrian Martinez and Will Howard, both of those guys are significantly bigger. Avery isn't built the same.
But our runnig game and a lot of our Play action/RPO is off of QB power
We’ll definitely utilize his running ability, but likely in a more finesse-centric way. He’ll be running more read option, rpo and sprint outs; general misdirection. I’m thinking Dennis Dixon at Oregon type of attack.
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2022, 11:39:24 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2022, 11:42:25 AM
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
I mean, our entire run game is based off of the qb read/power.
If we run that with avery he will get destroyed. It's one thing to try it with Adrian Martinez and Will Howard, both of those guys are significantly bigger. Avery isn't built the same.
But our runnig game and a lot of our Play action/RPO is off of QB power
We’ll definitely utilize his running ability, but likely in a more finesse-centric way. He’ll be running more read option, rpo and sprint outs; general misdirection. I’m thinking Dennis Dixon at Oregon type of attack.
That would be great, but it's a different scheme than what we have been running.
I guess, I'm hoping it doesn't have to be Avery next year and that Will howard can have a 6-7 win season as a floor while we work to get better at skill positions and transition to a different Style for Avery that won't get him destroyed.
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Post by: Spracne on October 26, 2022, 12:37:38 PM
I mean, our entire run game is based off of the qb read/power.
If we run that with avery he will get destroyed. It's one thing to try it with Adrian Martinez and Will Howard, both of those guys are significantly bigger. Avery isn't built the same.
But our runnig game and a lot of our Play action/RPO is off of QB power
We’ll definitely utilize his running ability, but likely in a more finesse-centric way. He’ll be running more read option, rpo and sprint outs; general misdirection. I’m thinking Dennis Dixon at Oregon type of attack.
That would be great, but it's a different scheme than what we have been running.
I guess, I'm hoping it doesn't have to be Avery next year and that Will howard can have a 6-7 win season as a floor while we work to get better at skill positions and transition to a different Style for Avery that won't get him destroyed.
KU completely changed its offense in the offseason to fit our personnel. Are you telling me you guys can't do the same?
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2022, 12:50:59 PM
I mean, our entire run game is based off of the qb read/power.
If we run that with avery he will get destroyed. It's one thing to try it with Adrian Martinez and Will Howard, both of those guys are significantly bigger. Avery isn't built the same.
But our runnig game and a lot of our Play action/RPO is off of QB power
We’ll definitely utilize his running ability, but likely in a more finesse-centric way. He’ll be running more read option, rpo and sprint outs; general misdirection. I’m thinking Dennis Dixon at Oregon type of attack.
That would be great, but it's a different scheme than what we have been running.
I guess, I'm hoping it doesn't have to be Avery next year and that Will howard can have a 6-7 win season as a floor while we work to get better at skill positions and transition to a different Style for Avery that won't get him destroyed.
KU completely changed its offense in the offseason to fit our personnel. Are you telling me you guys can't do the same?
I doubt it, they may have added things, but the triple option stuff and blocking scheme has been the same under the OC that came with LL
Post by: MakeItRain on October 26, 2022, 05:33:17 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2022, 01:21:30 PM
Having a low ceiling vet start over a talented Freshmen has done wonders for Mizzou this season
I don’t think Will Howard can be classified as a low ceiling vet anymore. We will see how he does today I guess but he threw some absolute dimes in Ft Worth.
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2022, 01:36:58 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
This may be the game that proves (or disproves)
my theory that Howard’s biggest problem is his mental fortitude.
Looks like he is QB2 today :frown:
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Post by: CHONGS on October 29, 2022, 02:57:48 PM
Not sure which is bigger, his arm or his nutsack. He is fearless right now.It's his arm. You don't want a nutsack to get that big, that means it's infected.
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Post by: HugeCat on October 29, 2022, 03:38:02 PM
Damn, Huge! You are one smart MoFoYes, I agree, Will hasn’t exactly lit it on fire in his first two years. I think everybody agrees that Avery Johnson is the heir apparent after this year. We are banking on major improvement from Adrian Martinez over last year and we are banking on Avery Johnson coming in and being a D1 power five starting quarterback as a true freshman. Will Howard needs to be a serviceable back up QB this year and unless everybody can guarantee that Avery Johnson will be who we think he is as a true freshman, it would be nice to have a Will Howard with 4 years in the system in 2023 in case Avery Johnson needs a development year. It’s going to be very difficult to recruit a Class of 24 quarterback or to get someone out of the portal with Avery Johnson on the roster. I see no purpose in dragging Will Howard. The kid is by all accounts a good locker room guy and was highly thought of out of high school. With Chris Klieman’s track record identifying & developing NFL quarterbacks, I think I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. But by all means, if it makes people feel good bagging on Will Howard every chance they get, knock yourselves out.I love people that live in a world where nobody ever improves from their first year right out of high school as an 18 year-old kid with a dysfunctional locker room during the Covid season. Shaking my dang SMDH
Ok but he wasn't really any better last year, and we were told he was the best backup qb in America.
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2022, 03:39:44 PM
This may be the game that proves (or disproves) my theory that Howard’s biggest problem is his mental fortitude.Haven’t really been paying attention to the game so far. Will make my assessment in the second half.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 29, 2022, 04:30:30 PM
Post by: Trim on October 29, 2022, 04:46:41 PM
Not sure which is bigger, his arm or his nutsack. He is fearless right now.It's his arm. You don't want a nutsack to get that big, that means it's infected.
Yep.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 04:50:53 PM
So what round does Will get drafted?Late or UDFA but he'll be on a practice squad somewhere
Post by: kim carnes on October 29, 2022, 04:52:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
-Chris Klieman
When asked about Avery Johnson next August
Post by: bunter on October 29, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
You have to be mentally challenged to call a designed run for your qb up 35-0 in the third quarterOC did get sgetti'd at one point in his career.
Post by: kim carnes on October 29, 2022, 04:56:41 PM
Post by: OB_Won on October 29, 2022, 05:05:58 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/VD6NFrS (https://imgur.com/gallery/VD6NFrS)i think we will win by double digits this weekend. i’m an optimist, sue me!(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/youve-been-served-legal-document-600w-1483164578.jpg)
you are going to jail
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2022, 05:06:20 PM
"He's the best backup quarterback in the country."
-Chris Klieman
When asked about Avery Johnson next August
I’m glad you have accepted his fate
Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2022, 05:21:34 PM
I’m just saying that if he starts this week, we lose by at least three scores
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Post by: bunter on October 29, 2022, 05:22:23 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2022, 05:25:06 PM
OK Cat with another historically bad call. Anyone remember if he said whether Mahomes would be any good?I’m just saying that if he starts this week, we lose by at least three scores
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:lol:
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 29, 2022, 05:26:33 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2022, 05:26:57 PM
9AM has been amazing. Are we maybe better with Will?9AM has been good, not amazing. He got a lot of credit for running wild on OU, but it turns out they kinda suck. When healthy though, I think he could start at most P5 schools.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 29, 2022, 05:50:57 PM
9AM has been amazing. Are we maybe better with Will?
At this point regardless who plays I feel we got more than a fighting chance to win
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 29, 2022, 05:52:04 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2022, 05:53:13 PM
At this point, 9AM is the best backup quarterback in the country.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 29, 2022, 05:56:54 PM
Will Howard might be the best backup qb in the nation
lol, Adrian Martinez might be the best backup qb in the nation
Post by: Pete on October 29, 2022, 06:04:48 PM
Post by: Pete on October 29, 2022, 06:05:16 PM
9AM has been amazing. Are we maybe better with Will?It’s mind blowing
Post by: goCats101 on October 29, 2022, 06:06:55 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 29, 2022, 06:18:29 PM
Took guts on 9AMs part today to not play and try to be a hero.
Wisdom maybe of a 5th year guy. Regardless this after the just injury filled TCU game was the best thing to happen, we won easily, injured guys get another week, and those who played also were able to get some rest and reps.
An amazing turn really
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 29, 2022, 06:55:42 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 07:49:12 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 29, 2022, 07:52:23 PM
How does Will Howard nut sack taste @MakeItRain?Can’t you just enjoy this win tonight? Idk why it’s so hard to just enjoy stuff and not need constant conflict with others.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 07:55:36 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 07:58:03 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 29, 2022, 08:01:21 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 29, 2022, 08:08:57 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 08:13:05 PM
I mean have at it I guess but just seems silly after a win like that to personally go after people because you need some sort of validation from the internet. To each their own tho I guess.oh god, plz stop. He’s 10* more aggressive than me. I’m just having fun here. He said some dumb crap and I’m calling him out for it.
Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2022, 08:17:43 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
I’m just saying that if he starts this week, we lose by at least three scores:lol:
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 08:20:28 PM
:Lurk:Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Post by: stunted on October 29, 2022, 08:59:13 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2022, 09:09:06 PM
You’re not going to win this one. Most of all because MIR has already proclaimed his love for Avery and it is not a love to be trifled with.:Lurk:Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
Post by: Spaces on October 29, 2022, 09:09:26 PM
:lol:I’m just saying that if he starts this week, we lose by at least three scores:lol:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 29, 2022, 09:12:19 PM
I’m proud to be wrong about Will Howard
Same. It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong and I’m a big man.
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 09:32:01 PM
https://www.willhowardqb.com/
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 29, 2022, 09:37:47 PM
Post by: Pete on October 29, 2022, 09:45:02 PM
Get your Will "The Thrill" Howard merch today!!Says he will do personalized videos or even show up at events.
https://www.willhowardqb.com/
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 29, 2022, 09:49:14 PM
Will
Power
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 09:55:47 PM
The only thing that is bad about this is that he's going to lose his redshirt.
He can play in two more games. Isn't he still a "sophomore" due to the covid year anyway? Don't need more than two years out of him with Johnson waiting in the wings.
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2022, 09:58:32 PM
The only thing that is bad about this is that he's going to lose his redshirt.
He can play in two more games. Isn't he still a "sophomore" due to the covid year anyway? Don't need more than two years out of him with Johnson waiting in the wings.
They said he is a redshirt junior and has two more years of eligibility.
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 10:01:11 PM
The only thing that is bad about this is that he's going to lose his redshirt.
He can play in two more games. Isn't he still a "sophomore" due to the covid year anyway? Don't need more than two years out of him with Johnson waiting in the wings.
They said he is a redshirt junior and has two more years of eligibility.
Makes sense. Still available for the double-shirt, I guess.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 29, 2022, 10:54:05 PM
I’m proud to be wrong about Will Howard
Same. It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong and I’m a big man.
It feels good to be wrong
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 11:20:00 PM
rage has never been a smart guyThe only thing that is bad about this is that he's going to lose his redshirt.
He can play in two more games. Isn't he still a "sophomore" due to the covid year anyway? Don't need more than two years out of him with Johnson waiting in the wings.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 11:30:17 PM
"He's the best backup quarterback in the country."
-Chris Klieman
When asked about Avery Johnson next August
I’m glad you have accepted his fate
You don't need to make this harder on me than it already is. [redacted].
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 11:31:41 PM
https://twitter.com/STANDlNGS/status/1586493512693923841
Oh my God! lol
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 11:32:52 PM
How does Will Howard nut sack taste @MakeItRain?
What? You're drunk and rough ridin' stupid.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 11:34:15 PM
:Lurk:Makes me think that we can get by next year or two with him.
He was fantastic
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He could have had 8 touchdowns last night and I still wouldn't want him starting next year.
This didn't have a solitary thing to do with Will Howard, you dumb bitch. Get off the internet and leave me alone.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 11:43:20 PM
Post by: stunted on October 30, 2022, 01:46:34 AM
Post by: muqluk on October 30, 2022, 01:57:00 AM
i'm not sure i've seen anyone make this big of a jump. how good is he actually? who knows. but going from completely hopeless and barely a d1 qb, to possibly one of the better qbs in the big 12 is incredible. i think what's weird is it wasn't a gradual improvement over the years, he sucked major crap last year too. also there was zero buzz about his improvement.
How much of it was on Messingham?
Post by: stunted on October 30, 2022, 02:44:51 AM
Post by: stunted on October 30, 2022, 03:15:22 AM
This may be the game that proves (or disproves) my theory that Howard’s biggest problem is his mental fortitude.
speaking of mental fortitude, what's up with gunnar (white people name, white people shame) gundy visibly shaking, and the savage camera guy always zooming in on his hands lol. i guess i would be shitting my pants too facing that defense
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2022, 07:15:15 AM
i'm not sure i've seen anyone make this big of a jump. how good is he actually? who knows. but going from completely hopeless and barely a d1 qb, to possibly one of the better qbs in the big 12 is incredible. i think what's weird is it wasn't a gradual improvement over the years, he sucked major crap last year too. also there was zero buzz about his improvement.He still makes quite a few bad throws but it's crazy how much better he is in the pocket. Like I don't think he was close to being sacked because he moved well and chucked it out of bounds if no one was open. It feels like he has so much more time to throw than he ever has.
And IMO he got better last year compared to 2020 but he didn't play much so it wasn't as noticeable
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2022, 08:51:39 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
i'm not sure i've seen anyone make this big of a jump. how good is he actually? who knows. but going from completely hopeless and barely a d1 qb, to possibly one of the better qbs in the big 12 is incredible. i think what's weird is it wasn't a gradual improvement over the years, he sucked major crap last year too. also there was zero buzz about his improvement.
How much of it was on Messingham?
Did you guys forget that he had to start his career without getting spring football or a fall camp? There were two weeks of practice in 2020 before the season started, that's it. He started as a true freshman, with a team wrecked with COVID, without any time to learn the playbook or even have a sense for how much faster college football is than mid class Pennsylvania high school football.
I don't think anyone held him back, certainly not someone who wasn't his position coach.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2022, 09:56:10 AM
i'm not sure i've seen anyone make this big of a jump. how good is he actually? who knows. but going from completely hopeless and barely a d1 qb, to possibly one of the better qbs in the big 12 is incredible. i think what's weird is it wasn't a gradual improvement over the years, he sucked major crap last year too. also there was zero buzz about his improvement.He still makes quite a few bad throws but it's crazy how much better he is in the pocket. Like I don't think he was close to being sacked because he moved well and chucked it out of bounds if no one was open. It feels like he has so much more time to throw than he ever has.
And IMO he got better last year compared to 2020 but he didn't play much so it wasn't as noticeable
Great post, rusty. We haven't had a QB as competent in the pocket since Jake Waters. He's not scared, at all, and his footwork is great. He does make some questionable throws, because he believes in his arm, Skylar used to do the same thing.
Post by: stunted on October 30, 2022, 10:14:57 AM
if martinez can play like he did at nebraska, he's probably better to have start. but the ksu version of him, i'm team howard. dump gasoline on his redshirt and burn that crap up.
Post by: CNS on October 30, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on October 30, 2022, 01:55:44 PM
I enjoyed the hell out of yesterday #1cat
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Post by: ben ji on October 30, 2022, 01:56:24 PM
I’m fine Drew Bledsoe’ing Adrian. It won’t feel good, but man it feels good.
:lol:
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2022, 01:58:09 PM
I’m fine Drew Bledsoe’ing Adrian. It won’t feel good, but man it feels good.Let Adrian start the bowl game unless Will brings home the Dr. Pepper
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 30, 2022, 02:59:34 PM
Post by: CNS on October 30, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
I’m fine Drew Bledsoe’ing Adrian. It won’t feel good, but man it feels good.Let Adrian start the bowl game unless Will brings home the Dr. Pepper
If we get in the position where we are playing a high name team that is depleted by a bunch of nfl guys scared of wrecking their careers, I am all for giving Adrian the start. Or even the entire second half.
Post by: stunted on October 30, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Post by: CNS on October 30, 2022, 03:27:20 PM
Post by: stunted on October 30, 2022, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: CNS on October 30, 2022, 03:30:36 PM
can aj play wr?
Jump off a bridge, respectfully.
Post by: Spaces on October 30, 2022, 03:33:16 PM
I feel sad for some of you, cats win big and your first thought is to get on the bbs and slam others.Didnt even crack my first 25 thoughts but you were only off by 69 points on your prediction
I enjoyed the hell out of yesterday #1cat
Post by: Spracne on October 30, 2022, 03:37:17 PM
I feel sad for some of you, cats win big and your first thought is to get on the bbs and slam others.Didnt even crack my first 25 thoughts but you were only off by 69 points on your prediction
I enjoyed the hell out of yesterday #1cat
Whoa ...
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2022, 03:41:55 PM
can aj play wr?
No, but you can s my d
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2022, 03:57:04 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 30, 2022, 04:31:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
I like how kli has a little scheme doctor in him…letting 9AM wear his helmet the whole game like is he coming in? I dunno man, maybe, he’s got his helmet on
Adrian kept acting like he really wanted to play
Post by: cfbandyman on October 30, 2022, 05:42:47 PM
I kind of on the "if 9AM will make the throws, start him" bus. He has to get more agressive because clearly, tho, it's stupid to invite eight-man fronts when we've demonstrated we can stretch the field.
Overall that's how I feel, I mean, I think incredible to think in this season, especially after the OU game, that this game glosses over Adrian's own achievements and progress.
I think if anything seeing Will swing it around means Adrian will be more apt to do it himself, which can only be a good thing.
End of the day I want Adrian to feel like he made the right decision coming here, and he gets the credit and the recognition for clearly not being the problem at Nebraska. He's a good dude and deserves good things. Will had an amazing game, and regardless we're in fine hands whoever is under center going on out, if anything I'm way less nervous now especially given Will's past of being pretty meh
Post by: ben ji on October 30, 2022, 07:32:35 PM
E M A W.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 30, 2022, 07:33:04 PM
Post by: williamthewildcat on October 30, 2022, 08:29:04 PM
Quote
He still makes quite a few bad throws but it's crazy how much better he is in the pocket. Like I don't think he was close to being sacked because he moved well and chucked it out of bounds if no one was open. It feels like he has so much more time to throw than he ever has.
And IMO he got better last year compared to 2020 but he didn't play much so it wasn't as noticeable
Like you, I was impressed by how well Howard slid his feet in the pocket. He never looked at the rush. Well, maybe once or twice. But he was cool when under duress. I’m of the opinion that Martinez mobility started to bring out the best in our receivers. And now Howard is kind of reaping the benefits by getting them the ball where they can make big plays. And they are showing out.
It’s just two games, but when flushed out of the pocket, I’d prefer he not throw against his body. Cause Malik made one helluva play to save an INT in the 2nd quarter.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 14, 2022, 09:33:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Thekstatefan/status/1591836627286233090
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2022, 10:46:46 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 14, 2022, 11:15:56 PM
If he starts the bowl game he's gonna pass Sisco by the end of the season :cry:
He probably passes Sisco during the KU game.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 15, 2022, 08:21:47 AM
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Post by: nicname on November 15, 2022, 08:29:24 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on November 15, 2022, 08:52:04 AM
One more game and he’ll figuratively throw Dylan off the edge of program history
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:cry:
Post by: Katpappy on November 15, 2022, 09:04:35 AM
One more game and he’ll figuratively throw Dylan off the edge of program history
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Welp, some ppl don't wipe their ass and stink up a clean-smelling board. AKA a shithead.
:cry:
Post by: mocat on November 15, 2022, 09:33:33 AM
Post by: Trim on November 15, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
michael bishop getting 9.2 Y/A with only 50% completion percentage is completely bananas. just bombs away 24/7
:love:
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 15, 2022, 11:43:14 AM
michael bishop getting 9.2 Y/A with only 50% completion percentage is completely bananas. just bombs away 24/7
https://youtu.be/jjUF-q1ke1M?t=352
Post by: mocat on November 15, 2022, 06:34:38 PM
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1592591521874075649?s=20&t=2f-ga2p6oa53Jx_ugAhiDg
Post by: cfbandyman on November 15, 2022, 06:49:23 PM
If he starts the bowl game he's gonna pass Sisco by the end of the season :cry:
He probably passes Sisco during the KU game.
That's what I think.
Post by: ben ji on November 15, 2022, 06:52:22 PM
I'm sad that we will only get him for 1 full year as a starter before he goes to the league.
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2022, 06:53:39 PM
I still can't believe how much crap I talked on Will the last 2 years and now he is just going to drag his HUGE nuts all over my face on the way to winning a Big12 championship.
I'm sad that we will only get him for 1 full year as a starter before he goes to the league.
Hopefully the 4 star Elite 11 golden boy ready to go right behind him will ease your pain.
Post by: ben ji on November 15, 2022, 06:56:36 PM
This, just run the read option and QB power over and over with slightly different wrinkles. He should only be throwing the ball 10 times a game.I really, really want to like him as a player, but I just don't see any way he'll ever be good. I don't even know if he can be "ok" as an experienced senior.
He could be effective with a capable OC. Snyder & Dimel would have Howard 2nd team all conference.
NOTED IDIOT BEN JI WOULD LIKE TO SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO WILLIAM HOWITZER
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
I still can't believe how much crap I talked on Will the last 2 years and now he is just going to drag his HUGE nuts all over my face on the way to winning a Big12 championship.
I'm sad that we will only get him for 1 full year as a starter before he goes to the league.
Nothing I love more than ksu cats proving me wrong when I doubt them
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2022, 07:07:24 PM
The thing is, Howard is going to be as good as we believe he is.
I believe he is going to dominate the conference and hoist a Dr Pepper.
What do YOU believe,?
:ksu:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2022, 07:34:43 PM
thank you for your service 9am
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1592591521874075649?s=20&t=2f-ga2p6oa53Jx_ugAhiDg
I sure in the eff hope this is a benching and not an injury or if it is an injury, it's one where he's like 80% because I have no hope that Will is going to finish these 3-4 games without an injury.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2022, 07:37:13 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 15, 2022, 09:24:30 PM
We have ran it with Will a lot less than I would have guessed. I think he can finish the next two games healthy. Obviously if we get to the title game all bets are off with TCU’s hit men playing D.thank you for your service 9am
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1592591521874075649?s=20&t=2f-ga2p6oa53Jx_ugAhiDg
I sure in the eff hope this is a benching and not an injury or if it is an injury, it's one where he's like 80% because I have no hope that Will is going to finish these 3-4 games without an injury.
Post by: Paul Moscow on November 15, 2022, 09:25:55 PM
Post by: mocat on November 15, 2022, 09:51:37 PM
thank you for your service 9am
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1592591521874075649?s=20&t=2f-ga2p6oa53Jx_ugAhiDg
I sure in the eff hope this is a benching and not an injury or if it is an injury, it's one where he's like 80% because I have no hope that Will is going to finish these 3-4 games without an injury.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1592586495617282048?s=20&t=aOPEgf5N_tV-b8MLB5m58Q
Post by: michigancat on November 15, 2022, 10:30:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 15, 2022, 10:33:31 PM
Has Will been sacked?He has not per ESPN. Amazing!
Post by: stunted on November 16, 2022, 02:33:56 AM
i still just can't believe it.
Post by: pissclams on November 16, 2022, 06:48:09 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 16, 2022, 07:00:11 AM
credit the o-line, but he also looks so composed under pressure and makes good decisions when things aren't there.
i still just can't believe it.
Martinez has obviously taken a lot more snaps but he has been sacked 12 times. Howard has gotten very good at his pocket presence.
is he fragile? he seems to get hurt. we need to protect him at all costs, including doing holding on every play if needed
I think he's only been hurt that one time against TCU?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 16, 2022, 07:31:22 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 16, 2022, 08:04:34 AM
my predicto is that Will Howitzer goes down in the TCU game and AM comes in and runs all over the place to win the pepp'
This would be an amazing story line (not that I want anyone hurt but it would be so poetic)
Post by: nicname on November 16, 2022, 10:13:28 AM
my predicto is that Will Howitzer goes down in the TCU game and AM comes in and runs all over the place to win the pepp'
This would be an amazing story line (not that I want anyone hurt but it would be so poetic)
Flu/Covid, something non-threatening. 9AM comes in to save the day and get that bowl victory. A NY6 win at that.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 16, 2022, 11:06:35 AM
They'll both be back at full strength for our NY6 game. They will alternate series. 9AM sprinting/dancing past defenders on his designated series and Will lobbing tight TD spirals to Cat receivers.my predicto is that Will Howitzer goes down in the TCU game and AM comes in and runs all over the place to win the pepp'
This would be an amazing story line (not that I want anyone hurt but it would be so poetic)
Flu/Covid, something non-threatening. 9AM comes in to save the day and get that bowl victory. A NY6 win at that.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2022, 07:31:12 PM
credit the o-line, but he also looks so composed under pressure and makes good decisions when things aren't there.
i still just can't believe it.
Martinez has obviously taken a lot more snaps but he has been sacked 12 times. Howard has gotten very good at his pocket presence.is he fragile? he seems to get hurt. we need to protect him at all costs, including doing holding on every play if needed
I think he's only been hurt that one time against TCU?
He got hurt against OSU last year
Post by: michigancat on November 16, 2022, 07:31:56 PM
Oh I thought he got benched for sucking that gamecredit the o-line, but he also looks so composed under pressure and makes good decisions when things aren't there.
i still just can't believe it.
Martinez has obviously taken a lot more snaps but he has been sacked 12 times. Howard has gotten very good at his pocket presence.is he fragile? he seems to get hurt. we need to protect him at all costs, including doing holding on every play if needed
I think he's only been hurt that one time against TCU?
He got hurt against OSU last year
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2022, 07:33:48 PM
Oh I thought he got benched for sucking that gamecredit the o-line, but he also looks so composed under pressure and makes good decisions when things aren't there.
i still just can't believe it.
Martinez has obviously taken a lot more snaps but he has been sacked 12 times. Howard has gotten very good at his pocket presence.is he fragile? he seems to get hurt. we need to protect him at all costs, including doing holding on every play if needed
I think he's only been hurt that one time against TCU?
He got hurt against OSU last year
It was both. Klieman said after the game he wasn't healthy, not sure how true that is, but that was the narrative.
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2022, 08:24:12 PM
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Post by: DQ12 on November 17, 2022, 08:52:09 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2022, 08:54:37 AM
Collin needs to recognize that the Will Howard power run game (or just draws out of empty) are now ultra risky and haven't been very effective this year anyway. I trust he'll recognize that.
I think his risk tolerance depends on if 9AM can actually play or not. If next man up is really Rubley I bet he runs him 0 times.
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2022, 08:58:12 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 17, 2022, 09:02:46 AM
I mean Howard ran twice in a shitload of snaps SaturdayAnd at least one was a quarterback draw (or maybe power?) out of empty that got stuffed at the LOS. Tisk tisk, Offensive Coordinator Klein! Stop that!
Post by: nicname on November 17, 2022, 09:05:55 AM
Post by: mocat on November 17, 2022, 09:27:59 AM
I mean Howard ran twice in a shitload of snaps SaturdayAnd at least one was a quarterback draw (or maybe power?) out of empty that got stuffed at the LOS. Tisk tisk, Offensive Coordinator Klein! Stop that!
i'm ok with one (1) of these per game
Post by: kim carnes on November 17, 2022, 09:36:21 AM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2022, 09:58:28 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 17, 2022, 10:26:41 AM
When the dude throws dimes like he has been you don’t need to run him, you just let him spread the field and unleash deuce or DJamer on them when they adjust to defend it.Agree. I'm ready for the Cat offense to evolve to the point where we don't have to use the QB as a human sledgehammer in order to move the ball consistently.
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2022, 10:36:33 AM
https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2022, 02:37:28 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2022, 03:36:22 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2022, 09:07:26 PM
i’d love it if tyreek hill would quit being a pussy and just race howardThey'd have to stop calling him cheetah, it's the right decision for his brand
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 17, 2022, 11:39:16 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 18, 2022, 09:08:10 AM
Post by: nicname on November 18, 2022, 09:13:37 AM
some call him the howlitzer others call him wheels howard
Wheels Howitzer
Post by: Cire on November 18, 2022, 09:14:24 AM
We are way more spread out with him as QB which helps keeps the box light, which negates the need for the extra blocker.
QB run is designed to beat stacked boxes where the extra blocker is needed.
Post by: DQ12 on November 18, 2022, 11:29:01 AM
I think the threat of a QB run game helps loosen the defense, a bit. I would like to see a couple of designed runs a game, he didn't have to break them, like he's done in the past, for them to have some effectiveness.I don't really know how much juice it (and the threat of it) gives us, especially relative to the risk. I think this offense is virtually just as effective without the QB run threat.
I think our bonafide effective passing game (paired with play action) is enough to keep defenses honest or punish them for just selling their souls to stop deuce. I'm OK if we want to still do some limited read-option type stuff, but I don't want Howard to keep it unless the DE crash is just egregious. I would be so heartbroken if Howard gets injured on a 3-yard QB keeper on Saturday.
Post by: kim carnes on November 18, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 18, 2022, 11:47:41 AM
Will had a huge run against Texas last year too. Once he gets going he's plenty fast, But he's not going to make a guy miss or run through an arm tackle.He's like a diesel engine baby.... High performance people run hotter!
We are way more spread out with him as QB which helps keeps the box light, which negates the need for the extra blocker.
QB run is designed to beat stacked boxes where the extra blocker is needed.
Wheels "male genitals Diesel" Howlitzer
Post by: stunted on November 18, 2022, 11:51:33 AM
Anyone advocating that we run howard is mentally disabled
I’m not saying Wheels should run it. I’m just saying he can. :driving:
Post by: Woogy on November 18, 2022, 12:06:31 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2022, 12:36:10 PM
I would think, at least for a game or two, it's a great opportunity for the pop pass to reappear in our repertoire.
I thought our use of the flea flicker (though a little to slow of a developing one with some backfield laterals) was long, long overdue given how much they key on Deuce.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 18, 2022, 12:56:31 PM
That was a gorgeous play.I would think, at least for a game or two, it's a great opportunity for the pop pass to reappear in our repertoire.
I thought our use of the flea flicker (though a little to slow of a developing one with some backfield laterals) was long, long overdue given how much they key on Deuce.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on November 18, 2022, 04:32:48 PM
https://twitter.com/kstatefb/status/1593732698002128897?s=46&t=1ZE7tq7VC-T6TnUvrEPPRA
Post by: nicname on November 18, 2022, 08:59:43 PM
Look how adorable they are!
https://twitter.com/kstatefb/status/1593732698002128897?s=46&t=1ZE7tq7VC-T6TnUvrEPPRA
Our QBs look like a damn Abercrombie shoot.
Post by: wetwillie on November 18, 2022, 09:01:13 PM
Post by: CatTracks on November 19, 2022, 09:18:08 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2022, 09:29:37 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 19, 2022, 09:39:59 AM
He's definitely in a boot, good eye. The rest of that post it quite fraught with woof.It really ramps up as you read it
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 19, 2022, 05:29:53 PM
Post by: nicname on November 19, 2022, 06:21:42 PM
Did not create, but def enjoy.
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Post by: nicname on November 19, 2022, 06:55:30 PM
216-333 (.659), 3,033 YDS, 33 TD, 6 INT
14 YPC, 9.11 YPA
Per game stats from above hypotheticals:
18-28, 253 YDS, 2.75 TD, .5 INT
Hot crap.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 08, 2022, 11:59:58 AM
https://twitter.com/rjgarcia_1_/status/1600909175617642496?s=46&t=vZDdCSeziL0nNYXQ-H_alA
Post by: star seed 7 on December 08, 2022, 12:23:21 PM
Post by: Winters on December 08, 2022, 01:07:12 PM
Post by: mocat on December 08, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
Post by: Tobias on December 08, 2022, 01:22:03 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 08, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
Post by: Boakai on December 08, 2022, 01:35:49 PM
do the cigars have marijuana in them (a blunt)
Luckily these appear to be just clean, harmless, and healthy tobacco. Could you imagine Will with sudden onset reefer madness? :ohno:
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 08, 2022, 01:46:04 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 08, 2022, 02:16:58 PM
wow, DP and also a dr pepper :love:
:D
Post by: nicname on December 08, 2022, 03:04:32 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on December 08, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
That photo is perfect. That’s an all-timer.
Up there with a girl with :lynchmob: at the OU game last year
But this one is the fun one
Post by: Spracne on June 09, 2023, 02:15:12 PM
Edit: I got hoodwinked.
Post by: muqluk on June 09, 2023, 02:29:00 PM
It's really stupid that they don't think Jalon Daniels is, at the very least, a top 5 Big 12 QB.
Edit: I got hoodwinked.
Na
Not on purpose anyway. I misread the tweet and didn’t see the ‘Big 12’ qualifier of ‘top 5’ and then realized after posting - so removed it.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on June 26, 2023, 08:14:11 AM
Post by: Pete on June 26, 2023, 12:21:40 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2023, 12:30:22 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on June 28, 2023, 11:25:52 PM
Damn he’s a big dude. Approaching freemaw levels of massiveness.
yup
https://twitter.com/braydenbrb222/status/1673859897547530240
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2023, 12:45:16 AM
Post by: Pete on June 29, 2023, 07:30:28 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 29, 2023, 09:55:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 29, 2023, 11:24:22 PM
Really makes you wonder what CK x2 could have done with Bazooka Joe.
:lol: it does?
Post by: Katpappy on June 30, 2023, 04:36:02 PM
Really makes you wonder what CK x2 could have done with Bazooka Joe.
Strange, wasn't he Co-OC during that time and was over QB development?
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 21, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
Post by: Katpappy on July 27, 2023, 04:23:20 PM
.https://twitter.com/zionballz/status/1684565841634017280?s=20
Post by: Brock Landers on August 02, 2023, 05:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1686857752100888581
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 02, 2023, 05:28:51 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2023, 05:41:38 PM
Post by: Spracne on August 02, 2023, 06:10:56 PM
:gocho:
Big ups, bud.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 02, 2023, 09:35:52 PM
:gocho:
:adored: <-SS7
Post by: Katpappy on August 08, 2023, 02:55:05 PM
.Kansas State quarterback Will Howard has Wildcats fans excited after how he played in 2022. Howard is a big, strong-armed quarterback (6-foot-5, 242 pounds) with sneaky athletic ability. He can layer the ball nicely or power it across the opposite hash. Howard had nine touchdowns compared to one interception in his first three starts last year.
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2023, 03:41:35 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2023, 03:44:49 PM
how on earth are we still using "sneaky athletic ability" to describe white division 1 football players in the year 2023war on woke claims another one
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 08, 2023, 03:49:51 PM
Post by: Spracne on August 08, 2023, 04:48:40 PM
how on earth are we still using "sneaky athletic ability" to describe white division 1 football players in the year 2023
Because Will is a coach's son. He lives in the gym. He's cerebral.
Post by: Katpappy on August 08, 2023, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: Cire on August 08, 2023, 06:59:03 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on August 08, 2023, 09:03:56 PM
Could it be his effing good, which I supported from his Freshman year when a bunch of a-holes who thought they were experts on talent told me he wasn't? Ppl discount that he was rated the top starting freshman the season Skyler got hurt.I’m thrilled to have Will this year, but you’re not going to convince me that he should have played any season for the Cats other than last season.
Post by: cfbandyman on August 08, 2023, 10:12:00 PM
Could it be his effing good, which I supported from his Freshman year when a bunch of a-holes who thought they were experts on talent told me he wasn't? Ppl discount that he was rated the top starting freshman the season Skyler got hurt.I’m thrilled to have Will this year, but you’re not going to convince me that he should have played any season for the Cats other than last season.
Agreed, I am thrilled this year, and btw I do not, and will not hate on Adrian, but after what we saw early in his freshman/sophomore year I was not on board. It was the TCU game that finally turned me around on him, and not the TCU game he ran a shitton in 2020
Post by: Katpappy on August 08, 2023, 10:24:22 PM
Could it be his effing good, which I supported from his Freshman year when a bunch of a-holes who thought they were experts on talent told me he wasn't? Ppl discount that he was rated the top starting freshman the season Skyler got hurt.I’m thrilled to have Will this year, but you’re not going to convince me that he should have played any season for the Cats other than last season.
Agreed, I am thrilled this year, and btw I do not, and will not hate on Adrian, but after what we saw early in his freshman/sophomore year I was not on board. It was the TCU game that finally turned me around on him, and not the TCU game he ran a shitton in 2020
You do realize he was a true freshman when he took over for Thompson in 2020. He said during an interview this spring that when they put him in he didn't even know the plays and lost a lot of confidence which accounted for his unsure play. Look at the stats; he was the top rated freshman QB that year.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 08, 2023, 10:50:21 PM
Could it be his effing good, which I supported from his Freshman year when a bunch of a-holes who thought they were experts on talent told me he wasn't? Ppl discount that he was rated the top starting freshman the season Skyler got hurt.I’m thrilled to have Will this year, but you’re not going to convince me that he should have played any season for the Cats other than last season.
Agreed, I am thrilled this year, and btw I do not, and will not hate on Adrian, but after what we saw early in his freshman/sophomore year I was not on board. It was the TCU game that finally turned me around on him, and not the TCU game he ran a shitton in 2020
you won't hate on Adrian? Nice to know you have a brain
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2023, 09:56:33 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on August 09, 2023, 08:19:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2023, 09:49:40 AM
how on earth are we still using "sneaky athletic ability" to describe white division 1 football players in the year 2023
I absolutely get your point but in this case it's not like he's a 6'1" 185 pound white guy who runs a 4.4. Will is built like a rough ridin' cruise ship, he's massive, sneaky athletic actually applies here.
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2023, 12:56:03 PM
Post by: Katpappy on September 19, 2023, 12:20:38 PM
Max Olson ranks the Big XII QBs after the three non-con games.
Oklahoma
The caveat is most of that damage occurred against Arkansas State and Tulsa. He played his “worst” game against SMU, the Sooners’ toughest opponent thus far, completing 19-of-27 (70.4 percent) for just 176 yards but also four touchdowns. Gabriel and Oklahoma will face much stiffer tests, including the Red River Shootout on Oct. 7, but if he can stay healthy and maintain anywhere near this level of production, the Sooners will be in the hunt for a Big 12 title and possibly a Playoff spot.
Kansas
Jalon Daniels has looked stellar again, but as was the case last season, health remains the biggest concern. He missed the opener while recovering from injury and was briefly banged up in Saturday’s win against Nevada. But on the field, he’s sparkled, completing 75 percent of his 56 pass attempts for 10.3 yards per attempt and a QBR that ranks second in the Big 12 and 22nd nationally. The other good news for the 3-0 Jayhawks is that Jason Bean has proven to be a solid backup, though Kansas would prefer to keep Daniels in there.
Cincinnati
The biggest surprise among conference quarterbacks has been Emory Jones. The Florida and Arizona State transfer has looked far more impressive and dynamic than he did during the Sun Devils’ dumpster fire last season, helping Cincinnati to a 2-1 start. He’s second in the Big 12 in yards per attempt among qualified passers, third in completion percentage, fifth in QBR (37th nationally) and third in expected points added. Jones is tied with Gabriel for a league-best 61.5 percent on passes traveling 20-plus yards in the air, and he has also been an effective runner with three touchdowns on the ground and a 101-yard effort in the loss to Miami (Ohio).
To be fair, his passing numbers are buoyed by a ridiculous game against Eastern Kentucky in the opener, when Jones completed 83 percent of his throws for 345 yards and five touchdowns. His completion percentage has dropped as his interceptions have ticked up, but it’s still been better play than many expected out of him in his sixth season.
UCF
The Knights are in a similar situation to Kansas. John Rhys Plumlee was playing well but got bit by the injury bug again, as he’s recovering from a leg injury that will keep him out “a few weeks,” Gus Malzahn said. He’s completed 70.4 percent of his 54 throws for 10.2 yards per attempt, and his QBR is third among Big 12 QBs (26th nationally). He also has 163 rushing yards at 8.6 yards per carry. Backup Timmy McClain played well in his place against Villanova but has to face a much better — and angry — Kansas State squad this weekend.
Kansas State
The Wildcats fell victim to Missouri and the Thiccer Kicker on Saturday, but Will Howard continues to play pretty well. K-State’s skill positions help with that, despite Deuce Vaughn being off to the NFL, but Howard has improved his accuracy and decision-making from a season ago when he played in seven of the last eight games in relief of an injured Adrian Martinez. Among QBs with at least 60 pass attempts this season, Howard ranks third in the Big 12 in yards per attempt, fourth in completion percentage and sixth in QBR (39th nationally).
Texas
Quinn Ewers and Texas vaulted into the top five after beating Alabama.
No quarterback in the conference has a more impressive single-game performance than Quinn Ewers in Texas’s road win at Alabama. He completed 24-of-38 attempts (63.2 percent) for 349 yards, three touchdowns and no interceptions, leading the Longhorns to a signature win on a big stage and embodying the years of hype that’s been showered upon him. Then he appeared to take a slightly disappointing step backward against Wyoming on Saturday, completing 11-of-21 for 131 yards and two touchdowns while re-displaying some of the inconsistencies that hindered him last season.
He ranks third in the conference in QBR (30th in the country), fifth in yards per attempt and eight in completion percentage at 60.7, including just 3-for-14 on throws traveling 20-plus yards in the air. He’s also benefited from a good scheme and fantastic group of receivers, with a league-best 65.4 percent of his passing yards coming after the catch, according to TruMedia. Ewers does deserve credit for zero interceptions in his last 195 pass attempts, dating back to last season.
Talent has never been a question, and he showed against Alabama what it looks like when he harnesses it into production. If he and the Longhorns are going to live up to their full potential this season, Ewers needs to remain consistent. And if he does? Texas probably wins the Big 12 — and maybe more.
GO DEEPE
Quinn Ewers shows he's the QB Texas needs to deliver on big expectations
TCU
An injured Chandler Morris was swallowed by the shadow of Max Duggan last season, but Morris has re-emerged pretty well in 2023. He did have to knock off some rust in the Week 1 loss to Colorado when he threw a pair of interceptions, but he’s second in the Big 12 in completion percentage behind Gabriel, sixth in yards per attempt and seventh in QBR. All of that while slinging it 36.3 times per game, second-most in the Big 12 and 12th in the country. He’s been an effective runner as well, which is a big reason why he’s top-15 in the country in expected points added among QBs.
BYU
Another journeyman quarterback on his third program, Kedon Slovis has shined in some moments and struggled in others. He ranks seventh in the league in completion percentage, seventh in yards per attempt and ninth in QBR (56th nationally). His 61.1 percent completion rate is a tick better than last year at Pitt, but still nowhere near the 72 percent he achieved as a freshman at USC in 2019. He has cut down the interceptions though, throwing only one through the first three games, and his current interception rate of 1.1 percent would be the best of his career, according to TruMedia.
Big 12 QBs in 2023
Dillon Gabriel
Oklahoma
82.5
11.3
11/1
92.5
Quinn Ewers
Texas
60.7
8.3
8/0
76
Will Howard
Kansas State
66
8.4
8/3
71.1
Chandler Morris
TCU
67.9
7.9
6/3
70.9
Emory Jones
Cincinnati
66.3
8.9
7/3
72.9
Tyler Shough
Texas Tech
61.9
7.1
7/4
58.8
Kedon Slovis
BYU
61.1
7.3
6/1
60.8
Rocco Becht
Iowa State
61.7
6.8
4/3
53.6
Jalon Daniels
Kansas
75
10.3
2/1
79.2
John Rhys Plumlee
UCF
70.4
10.2
3/4
77.7
Donovan Smith
Houston
56.8
6.5
4/3
47.9
Sawyer Robertson
Baylor
45.2
7.2
1/3
34.5
Garrett Greene
West Virginia
55.3
8.6
4/0
58.6
Alan Bowman
Oklahoma State
57.7
4.5
0/1
20.4
West Virginia
Starter Garrett Greene went down early in Saturday’s win over Pitt with an ankle injury that could sideline him again this weekend. He had been fairly pedestrian the first two weeks, running well against Penn State but struggling with inaccuracy, including an off-target rate of 19.1 percent. All four of his touchdown passes came against Duquesne. Backup redshirt freshman Nicco Marchiol didn’t light it up by any means against the Panthers, but he managed the game and took care of the ball, completing six of nine for 60 yards and a touchdown.
Texas Tech
It’s been a tumultuous start to the season for Tyler Shough. When he’s able to stand in the pocket and read the defense, he’s been really solid. But his problem has been trying to do too much, whether holding onto the ball too long or attempting to thread the needle on an unnecessarily difficult pass. Tech has allowed 10 sacks, second most in the conference, and Shough’s sack rate of 7.9 percent is second-worst in the conference, according to TruMedia. His four interceptions are tied for most in the Big 12 and match his total from last season across seven games. (Though the same goes for his seven touchdowns.)
He’s fifth in the Big 12 in completion percentage, ninth in yards per attempt and ninth in QBR (58th nationally). But even with an experienced backup in Behren Morton behind him, head coach Joey McGuire has adamantly stuck by him.
“Tyler Shough is our starter,” McGuire said after Shough struggled in a blowout win over Tarleton State. “That’s not an issue or a question.”
Iowa State
After the Cyclones lost Hunter Dekkers to the gambling scandal, redshirt freshman Rocco Becht has gotten off to a challenging start for the Cyclones, yet one that’s more encouraging on deeper review. Some of his advanced metrics are more promising than his raw stats, the latter of which are anchored by a rough performance in the Week 2 loss to Iowa. He looked much better in the road loss to Ohio on Saturday — despite reportedly playing through a bout of food poisoning — with one interception coming when a receiver fell down and another on a deflected ball. He’s not getting a ton of help from the rest of his offense, either, including a dreadful rushing attack. It will be interesting to see how he stacks up as the season continues, but right now, he’s far from the biggest issue for Iowa State.
Baylor
Starter Blake Shapen looked sharp in the Bears’ upset loss to Texas State, completing 21-of-31 for 303 yards, two touchdowns and zero interceptions. But he left the game early with an MCL injury and has yet to return. He’s expected to miss Saturday’s matchup with Texas as well. Transfer and redshirt sophomore Sawyer Robertson has labored in relief, completing just 45.2 percent of his passes with one touchdown and three interceptions. He has a league-worst off-target rate of 22.6 percent, according to TruMedia.
Houston
The Coogs handed the keys to Texas Tech transfer Donovan Smith, and the junior is still figuring things out. Not for lack of opportunities: Smith’s 37 attempts per game rank 10th in college football. But he’s also 10th in the Big 12 in completion percentage, 11th in yards per attempt and 12th in QBR (86th nationally), and he has a league-worst sack rate of 9 percent, according to TruMedia. Smith is still green in terms of experience, so the jury’s out — for now.
Oklahoma State
Woof. If you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks, as the old adage goes. Unfortunately, the Pokes have three. Alan Bowman, Gunnar Gundy and Garret Rangel have all split time, with Bowman leading the way at 52 pass attempts. The trio has combined to complete 59.1 percent of their passes for a league-worst 5.3 yards per attempt. Three total completions of 25-plus yards is also tied for the worst in the conference with Iowa Stat
What did you think of this story? It looks to me Will Howard is still ranked highly by those that know. So quit be crybabies that MU beat us by a freak SEC record breaking field goal, Howard is fine.
Post by: Winters on September 19, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Post by: Katpappy on September 19, 2023, 12:37:34 PM
TL;DR
Winters my boy, didn't your instructors throughout the schools you attended tell you that reading makes you more intelligent? :)
EDIT: I also bolded the main stuff for you DNR-TL types.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2023, 12:48:32 PM
Post by: Katpappy on September 19, 2023, 12:49:30 PM
The thing is, Howard is going to be as good as we believe he is.
I believe he is going to dominate the conference and hoist a Dr Pepper.
What do YOU believe,?
JFC, CHONGS are you a soothsayer?
Post by: Katpappy on September 19, 2023, 12:53:16 PM
Howard is relying on Sinnot too much. Sinnot is great, but we should be trying to get the ball to faster players first, and checking down to Sinnot. He dropped 2 easy first downs, and we win the game if he catches one of those.
Did you notice they had someone on him at all times? They watched films and knew he was Howard's favorite target. Howard should or CK should have revised the passing options.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2023, 01:02:24 PM
Howard is relying on Sinnot too much.
nope
Post by: wetwillie on September 19, 2023, 02:32:02 PM
Howard is relying on Sinnot too much. Sinnot is great, but we should be trying to get the ball to faster players first, and checking down to Sinnot. He dropped 2 easy first downs, and we win the game if he catches one of those.
The second one is 100% on Will, Sinnott made a ridiculously athletic move just to even have a chance at it.
Post by: pissclams on September 19, 2023, 03:33:21 PM
Howard is relying on Sinnot too much. Sinnot is great, but we should be trying to get the ball to faster players first, and checking down to Sinnot. He dropped 2 easy first downs, and we win the game if he catches one of those.just like mahomes relies too much on kelce?
you’re looking at things backwards.. sinnot’s a really good tight end, that’s why he gets the ball so much. he’s making plays.
Post by: Katpappy on September 19, 2023, 03:38:06 PM
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Post by: cfbandyman on September 22, 2023, 01:57:15 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 22, 2023, 02:43:44 PM
Any more word? I assume he gets the nod tomorrow else Avery come on down
Klein says it will be a game time decision.
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2023, 02:48:13 PM
Post by: Trim on September 22, 2023, 11:22:04 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on September 23, 2023, 08:30:19 AM
Any more word? I assume he gets the nod tomorrow else Avery come on down
Klein says it will be a game time decision.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1705563668518248599?s=20
Post by: cfbandyman on September 23, 2023, 09:03:17 AM
Watch is be an offensive slugfest lol
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 23, 2023, 01:09:48 PM
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Post by: nicname on September 24, 2023, 12:27:59 PM
Anyway here are Will’s 2023 per game stats and projected season numbers based on these per game numbers.
Will Howard
295-451, 3,484 yds, 26 TD, 13 INT
Per game: 23-35, 268 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT
91 rush, 400 yds, 16 TD
Per game: 7 rush, 31 yds, 1.25 TD
Post by: CNS on September 24, 2023, 12:43:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2023, 02:18:37 PM
I am more interested in him resolving his seeming predisposition to throw passes too high than his interceptions.
He's a college quarterback passing at 66%, must not be that bad
Post by: nicname on September 24, 2023, 03:23:02 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2023, 09:10:33 PM
Just want to point out that the type of interceptions Will has thrown this season are the best kind. Far better than whatever it was the UCF qb thought he was doing several times last night.
That's true, it's usually it's slants and he leads the receiver too much. But it's got to get a bit cleaner
Post by: catastrophe on September 24, 2023, 09:36:23 PM
Is it just me or does Will Howard throw the most confident interceptions in college football? He’s had one each game so far (I don’t think this will continue). Each and every interception has been him stepping confidently into his throw and assuredly making the poor decision to attempt said intercepted pass.Brett Favring it is what I’ve said and I stand by it
Anyway here are Will’s 2023 per game stats and projected season numbers based on these per game numbers.
Will Howard
295-451, 3,484 yds, 26 TD, 13 INT
Per game: 23-35, 268 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT
91 rush, 400 yds, 16 TD
Per game: 7 rush, 31 yds, 1.25 TD
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Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2023, 09:52:34 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 06, 2023, 10:02:51 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 07, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
I’m not even clear how we kept it a one score game after losing the turnovers 3-0. And every one of them was 100% on Will.OSU is extremely shitty is how
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Post by: stunted on October 07, 2023, 04:01:45 PM
the school record for interceptions is 23 by dennis morrison back in 1972. his current pace is just 16.8, 18.2 if we get to a bowl game.
he would need to throw 2.3 int/game to tie (2 for bowl games). but they were throwing interceptions left and right back in the 60's and 70's. the record since 1980 is 17 by carl straw. so he is at least on pace to tie or surpass that.
this is something i will keep an eye on and provide updates as the season continues.
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 07, 2023, 04:05:31 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2023, 05:38:46 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2023, 05:43:47 PM
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2023, 07:26:27 PM
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2023, 07:36:20 PM
I give 2-2 a 50% chance, 3-1 a 45% chance, and 4-0 a 5%.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2023, 07:38:42 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2023, 07:46:17 PM
I think Will is going to pull it back together.
That might break my brain
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 08, 2023, 04:52:33 PM
wrong but I don't recall any of his picks being catchable balls.
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2023, 05:12:59 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 08, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
The last one was probably the least egregious if you need to rank them
Honestly don't remember it. Don't remember thinking any were justifiable or trying to fit a window that wasn't there. Just remember thinking he locked in on one receiver or he poorly misfired in an egregious manner. Not sure what happened to him over the summer but he's regressed terriblely and it's tough to watch after seeing him play like a big swinging dick last year
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2023, 05:42:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 08, 2023, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: nicname on October 08, 2023, 06:51:20 PM
LoL at justifying Wills interceptions as the 'good' kind. Maybe
wrong but I don't recall any of his picks being catchable balls.
They’re bizarre.
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2023, 01:08:46 PM
Two years ago, I would have said Howard's career arch would lead us to last night. I just didn't see that strange bump in the middle that was 2022.
1000% worth it
Post by: KSNimrod on October 09, 2023, 02:16:40 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 09, 2023, 02:19:10 PM
Has there been any comment from the coaches as to why Avery didn't see the field at all? Heard plenty from other Cats fans but didn't know if anyone on the staff had been asked or answered.
staff is saving him so he can play 5 years from now. Good decision in current college landscape in my opinion.
Post by: KSNimrod on October 09, 2023, 02:48:44 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 09, 2023, 03:24:55 PM
After four years, I'm still not quite sure if Will can consistently go through progressions and, if he can't, it's not like that's going to ever happen (I think this is partially why Sinnott gets so many targets).
So, let's simplify stuff for him. Vaughn was a tremendous safety valve last year and while we've used Giddens/Ward in the pass game (23 combined receptions - about 20% total), I think we could/should do more since those are pretty easy throws (flat, etc.). I'm also not convinced our WRs are as bad as many think, but there is pretty simple stuff we can do if they're having trouble with separation (slants, outs, etc.). The slants aren't tough throws (though the outs can be).
Bottom line - let's call plays with easy reads and get Will's confidence back. If they're pressing, adjust the WR routes and run some slants. If they're sitting back, run some crosses. Drill down in Will's head to take what's there and stop forcing stuff. And, as awkward as he can look running the ball (we're guaranteed at least one self-inflicted trip/fall down without being touched per game), we've got to continue to have that element (and, sprinkling in Johnson here and there in the QB run game would be great too, but I digress). We should aim for 60/40 run v pass because that's what we do best and that also helps take pressure off Will.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 09, 2023, 03:30:52 PM
This year, we're 52/48 run v pass.
Klein needs to adjust accordingly.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2023, 03:54:53 PM
Has there been any comment from the coaches as to why Avery didn't see the field at all? Heard plenty from other Cats fans but didn't know if anyone on the staff had been asked or answered.
staff is saving him so he can play 5 years from now. Good decision in current college landscape in my opinion.
:rolleyes:
Klieman said they discussed it
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Afu-LigJHlE?si=bjoRn8EdsEVF78vJ&start=237
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 03:55:51 PM
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
Will may just have too large of a case of Imposter Syndrome to fully overcome it. Especially if it is renewed every game to any real extent. Especially if he played shitty the game before.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2023, 03:59:30 PM
I was curious, so looked at last year - we were almost exactly 60/40 run v pass for the season.
This year, we're 52/48 run v pass.
Klein needs to adjust accordingly.
The strengths of the opponents and game flow factor in to that too. We also had a different quarterback at this point in the season last year.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 09, 2023, 04:35:03 PM
I was curious, so looked at last year - we were almost exactly 60/40 run v pass for the season.
This year, we're 52/48 run v pass.
Klein needs to adjust accordingly.
The strengths of the opponents and game flow factor in to that too. We also had a different quarterback at this point in the season last year.
For sure, but I think it goes back to our identity as an offense. Situational stuff is always going to happen, but I think our mentality can/should overly emphasize the run.
Last year, with Martinez, we were 64/36 run v pass and once he got hurt, we were 56/44 run v pass with Will.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 09, 2023, 05:46:57 PM
I was curious, so looked at last year - we were almost exactly 60/40 run v pass for the season.
This year, we're 52/48 run v pass.
Klein needs to adjust accordingly.
The strengths of the opponents and game flow factor in to that too. We also had a different quarterback at this point in the season last year.
For sure, but I think it goes back to our identity as an offense. Situational stuff is always going to happen, but I think our mentality can/should overly emphasize the run.
Last year, with Martinez, we were 64/36 run v pass and once he got hurt, we were 56/44 run v pass with Will.
Especially if our QB is just going to stare down 1 receiver and then throw it directly to the opponent at least once or twice a game. I'm still a bit perplexed at the offensive calls so far and the lack of AJ playing time. I'm a bit surprised they don't have some run packages with a few easy pass options for him to run a few series each game. I would have liked to see him Saturday, but CK would have probably called 4 go routes each play for him.
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 06:00:32 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 09, 2023, 06:03:41 PM
Has there been any comment from the coaches as to why Avery didn't see the field at all? Heard plenty from other Cats fans but didn't know if anyone on the staff had been asked or answered.
staff is saving him so he can play 5 years from now. Good decision in current college landscape in my opinion.
WTF, we haven't even kept a bad QB for five years, so how ITF can we keep a good QB for that long? Skywalker was the exception, but he was injured a shitload of times.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2023, 09:31:45 PM
It feels really strange having a serious discussion about dumbing down the offense for our senior QB.
I don't think that's what KiTH is advocating. Understanding the playbook and the plays isn't a problem for Will, although it's undoubtedly a factor as to why we didn't see Avery on Friday.
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2023, 09:44:45 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 09, 2023, 10:07:23 PM
One would think Will's confidence is in the shitter after last Friday, but who knows.
After four years, I'm still not quite sure if Will can consistently go through progressions and, if he can't, it's not like that's going to ever happen (I think this is partially why Sinnott gets so many targets).
So, let's simplify stuff for him. Vaughn was a tremendous safety valve last year and while we've used Giddens/Ward in the pass game (23 combined receptions - about 20% total), I think we could/should do more since those are pretty easy throws (flat, etc.). I'm also not convinced our WRs are as bad as many think, but there is pretty simple stuff we can do if they're having trouble with separation (slants, outs, etc.). The slants aren't tough throws (though the outs can be).
Bottom line - let's call plays with easy reads and get Will's confidence back. If they're pressing, adjust the WR routes and run some slants. If they're sitting back, run some crosses. Drill down in Will's head to take what's there and stop forcing stuff. And, as awkward as he can look running the ball (we're guaranteed at least one self-inflicted trip/fall down without being touched per game), we've got to continue to have that element (and, sprinkling in Johnson here and there in the QB run game would be great too, but I digress). We should aim for 60/40 run v pass because that's what we do best and that also helps take pressure off Will.
This is that we should be doing to start games regardless. In general I feel Klein vs Messingham Klein inherently seemed to understand getting a few good gimme plays to boost confidence was important. It seems like we constantly jump over that and either get too cute or go for broke early on that never allows for any sense of rhythm to be established.
This game imo was a poor game plan and execution vs a worse team. It's ultimately the staff the didn't prepare them to play the game
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2023, 03:37:41 AM
TBH the staff should always have a package ready to go for Avery and use him for a drive or two every first half. Especially if Will continues to toss picks at the rate he has been.
I'm sure they do but I'm guessing for the Oklahoma game that Avery package looked a whole lot like what they did with Will when we got down and they started running him with success. Frankly, I rather Will stay in a game like that than Avery coming in and taking unnecessary hits, especially when will is running the ball well.
Post by: stunted on October 10, 2023, 05:37:18 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2023, 06:08:53 AM
TBH the staff should always have a package ready to go for Avery and use him for a drive or two every first half. Especially if Will continues to toss picks at the rate he has been.
I'm sure they do but I'm guessing for the Oklahoma game that Avery package looked a whole lot like what they did with Will when we got down and they started running him with success. Frankly, I rather Will stay in a game like that than Avery coming in and taking unnecessary hits, especially when will is running the ball well.
when we are down 3 scores, yeah don't play Avery. That's why I was saying he should play every first half!
Post by: catastrophe on October 10, 2023, 06:35:55 AM
He’s also the guy who broke a 70 yard run in like the second or third drive of the game.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 10, 2023, 08:22:23 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2023, 08:24:49 AM
When exactly do you think we were supposed to pull Howard? He is still the guy that led us to a Big 12 title and scores of 40+ points in 3/4 games leading up to OSU.
He’s also the guy who broke a 70 yard run in like the second or third drive of the game.
I don't know if you're asking me but I was not calling for Howard to be pulled, just for Avery to get a drive or two in the first half of every game.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 10, 2023, 08:24:59 AM
TBH the staff should always have a package ready to go for Avery and use him for a drive or two every first half. Especially if Will continues to toss picks at the rate he has been.
I'm sure they do but I'm guessing for the Oklahoma game that Avery package looked a whole lot like what they did with Will when we got down and they started running him with success. Frankly, I rather Will stay in a game like that than Avery coming in and taking unnecessary hits, especially when will is running the ball well.
when we are down 3 scores, yeah don't play Avery. That's why I was saying he should play every first half!
Agree with Rusty here. He needs to come in for a few series regardless of how Will is doing. Also agree with MIR. That's why I put some of this on Klein. There was room to run most of the night and the called QB runs were pretty successful for the most part. Just keep running and get the win. Snyder basically tried to kill Klein by running him so much, so unless he is so traumatized by it and forgot, it didn't make much sense on saturday.
Post by: KSNimrod on October 10, 2023, 08:27:38 AM
When exactly do you think we were supposed to pull Howard? He is still the guy that led us to a Big 12 title and scores of 40+ points in 3/4 games leading up to OSU.
He’s also the guy who broke a 70 yard run in like the second or third drive of the game.
I'm not sure I'd advocate for yanking him out of the game for the duration. I just wonder what the issue would be with bringing in Avery for a series just to get a reset or settle Will down. (By that I mean taking Will OUT of the game too... not split out wide - effectively removing a real target for Avery to throw to and telling the defense we are just going to run the QB out of backfield.) But again, nobody is paying me jack to coach and I pretty much suck at Madden too. So there's that.
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2023, 08:29:41 AM
Will is he who is and isn't changing at this point. He's good for a long run or two a game, and an occasional good throw, along with a ton of overthrows and shitty interceptions.
he literally did not throw a ton of shitty interceptions last season.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 10, 2023, 08:30:25 AM
Will is he who is and isn't changing at this point. He's good for a long run or two a game, and an occasional good throw, along with a ton of overthrows and shitty interceptions.
he literally did not throw a ton of shitty interceptions last season.
As literally everyone has pointed out, kRUSTY, last season was the outlier for known dingus Will Howard.
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2023, 08:31:17 AM
Will is he who is and isn't changing at this point. He's good for a long run or two a game, and an occasional good throw, along with a ton of overthrows and shitty interceptions.
he literally did not throw a ton of shitty interceptions last season.
As literally everyone has pointed out, kRUSTY, last season was the outlier for known dingus Will Howard.
one entire season is not really an outlier! It's as much of who he is as this season.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 10, 2023, 08:34:39 AM
CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG RTG
2023 106 173 61.3 1,224 7.1 9 7 44 129.8
2022 119 199 59.8 1,633 8.2 15 4 80 149.6
2021 30 55 54.5 332 6.0 1 1 68 107.6
2020 90 168 53.6 1,178 7.0 8 10 70 116.3
I mean....it's like in 2022 someone wore a Will Howard suit.
Post by: wetwillie on October 10, 2023, 08:40:13 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2023, 08:53:12 AM
CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG RTG
2023 106 173 61.3 1,224 7.1 9 7 44 129.8
2022 119 199 59.8 1,633 8.2 15 4 80 149.6
2021 30 55 54.5 332 6.0 1 1 68 107.6
2020 90 168 53.6 1,178 7.0 8 10 70 116.3
I mean....it's like in 2022 someone wore a Will Howard suit.
over 21 and 22 he had 254 attempts and 5 interceptions...7 interceptions in 173 this season is more of an outlier!
Post by: OK_Cat on October 10, 2023, 08:55:36 AM
CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG RTG
2023 106 173 61.3 1,224 7.1 9 7 44 129.8
2022 119 199 59.8 1,633 8.2 15 4 80 149.6
2021 30 55 54.5 332 6.0 1 1 68 107.6
2020 90 168 53.6 1,178 7.0 8 10 70 116.3
I mean....it's like in 2022 someone wore a Will Howard suit.
over 21 and 22 he had 254 attempts and 5 interceptions...7 interceptions in 173 this season is more of an outlier!
This season and his first season are very similar statistically, which I would think is a problem. :dunno:
If you're all aboard the Will train, that's fine.
Post by: Cire on October 10, 2023, 08:56:01 AM
He didn't trust what he was seeing pre snap so he was locking into his primary guy all night.
I assume the same was true for the oline.
They threw everything they had at us in the first half on offense and when they were out of those plays the defense played pretty well other than not being able to turn them over.
And our special teams absolutely blow.
Post by: catastrophe on October 10, 2023, 09:09:58 AM
I see. Although I really have to wonder if taking Will in and out would mess up his rhythm even more when he is in.When exactly do you think we were supposed to pull Howard? He is still the guy that led us to a Big 12 title and scores of 40+ points in 3/4 games leading up to OSU.
He’s also the guy who broke a 70 yard run in like the second or third drive of the game.
I don't know if you're asking me but I was not calling for Howard to be pulled, just for Avery to get a drive or two in the first half of every game.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 09:11:25 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 10, 2023, 09:21:32 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2023, 09:24:06 AM
I see. Although I really have to wonder if taking Will in and out would mess up his rhythm even more when he is in.When exactly do you think we were supposed to pull Howard? He is still the guy that led us to a Big 12 title and scores of 40+ points in 3/4 games leading up to OSU.
He’s also the guy who broke a 70 yard run in like the second or third drive of the game.
I don't know if you're asking me but I was not calling for Howard to be pulled, just for Avery to get a drive or two in the first half of every game.
I think the pros of Avery's upside, development, impact on recruiting, and the fact that Howard has just been turning the ball over at a higher rate than he has the last two seasons outweighs potential rhythm disruption.
I definitely wouldn't hand the keys over to Avery yet, and probably wouldn't this season barring injury.
Post by: stunted on October 10, 2023, 11:41:51 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Post by: DQ12 on October 10, 2023, 12:52:36 PM
Avery isn't as reliant on WRs to be good, imo.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Post by: PurpleOil on October 10, 2023, 01:02:41 PM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
Nick Saban literally benched a record breaking starter and ultimate Heisman trophy runner up for a true freshman in the championship game who had only previously seen mop up duty playing time.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:10:39 PM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Then play Rubley, but Will has to get his INTs figured out.
Post by: Spracne on October 10, 2023, 01:33:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2023, 01:47:44 PM
Avery isn't as reliant on WRs to be good, imo.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Will averaged 10 yards a rush on Friday and is at 6 ypc on the year.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2023, 02:00:07 PM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
Nick Saban literally benched a record breaking starter and ultimate Heisman trophy runner up for a true freshman in the championship game who had only previously seen mop up duty playing time.
Touche. Should be pointed out that Hurts was a true sophomore when he got pulled. Tua played in 7 games before the championship game, and Hurts was 3-8 and I think Alabama was down three scores when Tua went in.
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Then play Rubley, but Will has to get his INTs figured out.
That scenario wasn't about Avery but more about Will and how you prepare QBs. You're correct, Will has to get the INTs figured out, before the OSU game he had 4 first quarter picks then was fine after, in each game. He's not going to get it figured out from the bench and I think it's malpractice for the coaches to quickly pull the ripcord on benching him. If he continues to struggle against Tech. I do think the coaches should start Avery against TCU.
Post by: OB_Won on October 10, 2023, 02:18:16 PM
The fact we didn't run more in that game was odd. It seemed to me like the weirdest coached Kstate game since Prince. Will wasn't the only one who had a terrible game, imo.Avery isn't as reliant on WRs to be good, imo.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Will averaged 10 yards a rush on Friday and is at 6 ypc on the year.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 10, 2023, 02:46:00 PM
i recall howard could have easily had 5+ more interceptions last season. but then again, d-backs drop ints all the time.
It seemed like he had several balls that went into tight windows for TDs last year. Them the breaks I guess.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 10, 2023, 02:52:44 PM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
Post by: deputy dawg on October 10, 2023, 03:13:06 PM
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The fact we didn't run more in that game was odd. It seemed to me like the weirdest coached Kstate game since Prince. Will wasn't the only one who had a terrible game, imo.
Not much mentioned about the very weird coaching - though someone did mention we didn't run as much as we could. Giddens wasn't looking sharp, so I think the coaching staff put too little emphasis on the run.
Post by: MadCat on October 10, 2023, 03:57:17 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 10, 2023, 04:04:47 PM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
SkiBe makes a good point and I did a little research on the rulebook...and unlike futbol, it is actually allowed for a player to come out of the game and then later go back in the game. One of those weird quirky oft confused rules.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 10, 2023, 04:10:37 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 10, 2023, 10:39:06 PM
I know. That doesn’t make what I said less true, though. I don’t think it’s controversial to assume Avery is a better runner (faster and shiftier) than Will. That’s one of the major things that made him an elite prospect.Avery isn't as reliant on WRs to be good, imo.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
Will averaged 10 yards a rush on Friday and is at 6 ypc on the year.
We haven’t seen it, but I also assume Avery is probably more elusive in the pocket than Will is and would be more likely to extend plays. Will hasn’t really been “creating for himself” in the pocket this year, which is inconvenient given how bad the pass blocking has been. He’s likely banged up, but I think he was considerably better at moving around and escaping pressure last year.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2023, 05:34:28 AM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2023, 05:42:37 AM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
SkiBe makes a good point and I did a little research on the rulebook...and unlike futbol, it is actually allowed for a player to come out of the game and then later go back in the game. One of those weird quirky oft confused rules.
That's cute. I admittedly barely know jack crap about football, what I do know is that when it comes to playing time and preparation, the quarterback is unique in the sport when it comes to substitution patterns. If you want to act like our coaches are uniquely stupid by not treating the quarterbacks like corners and subbing them out every other play, like it's a video game, that's cool with me, it won't change the reality of the situation, but we can all have fun with snarky LOLs.
Post by: michigancat on October 11, 2023, 06:16:05 AM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
I mean we kind of did that last year even if it was injury-driven. And I'd say Roberson and Waters and Thompson ended up about as well as you could expect in the long term. Plus Cook and Bazooka were both seniors, weren't they?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 11, 2023, 08:54:23 AM
In our case, Howard is playing poorly and, if we did that now, it'll obviously look like a move made because of that (that's why, had this coaching staff gameplanned all along with AJ, it wouldn't look that way now). Instead of taking the long view, the staff should have realized that when you have an elite talent like AJ, you get the kid on the field - even if it's only 10-15 plays a game. Screw a redshirt and 5 years - get the kid on the field.
Regardless, in my view, Will's got another 1-2 games to salvage himself as "the guy" and if he can't, burn it down and play Rubley, AJ, whomever. Because if Will plays at the level of what he played at vs. OSU, he no longer deserves to be "the guy" - the coaches will know it, the players will know it and even us dumb fans will know it.
Post by: catastrophe on October 11, 2023, 09:14:36 AM
We did it last year, but I don’t think there’s a clear case to be made that it benefitted us. It seemed like Howard was clearly the better QB.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
I mean we kind of did that last year even if it was injury-driven. And I'd say Roberson and Waters and Thompson ended up about as well as you could expect in the long term. Plus Cook and Bazooka were both seniors, weren't they?
Not that anyone should mind getting Avery in for a few packages here and there like Taysum Hill with New Orleans. That’s quite a bit different than covering for poor starting QB performance though.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 11, 2023, 09:21:34 AM
We did it last year, but I don’t think there’s a clear case to be made that it benefitted us. It seemed like Howard was clearly the better QB.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
I mean we kind of did that last year even if it was injury-driven. And I'd say Roberson and Waters and Thompson ended up about as well as you could expect in the long term. Plus Cook and Bazooka were both seniors, weren't they?
Not that anyone should mind getting Avery in for a few packages here and there like Taysum Hill with New Orleans. That’s quite a bit different than covering for poor starting QB performance though.
Maybe this is the bigger problem? The coaches not identifying the best QB. :dunno:
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2023, 10:45:45 AM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
I mean we kind of did that last year even if it was injury-driven. And I'd say Roberson and Waters and Thompson ended up about as well as you could expect in the long term. Plus Cook and Bazooka were both seniors, weren't they?
No we didn't, last year. Adrian got hurt and Will took his job. They gave Adrian one game to prove that he could be the guy, he couldn't and it was over. Yes, with Ell, Jake, and Sky, once they were given the jobs they took over and thrived. K-State and Skylar got lucky as hell that Bill left in '18, he might have never made an NFL roster if Bill stayed here.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2023, 10:54:30 AM
There's also a difference between toggling between two QBs because you can't decide and INTENTIONALLY playing two QBs and running plays specifically designed for the two QBs when they're in the game. The latter isn't always successful, but it certainly can be - see Florida's 2006 national title when Leak was the primary QB, but they brought in Tebow (true freshman) in regularly for specific game situations (mostly for the QB run game, which Leak was poor at).
In our case, Howard is playing poorly and, if we did that now, it'll obviously look like a move made because of that (that's why, had this coaching staff gameplanned all along with AJ, it wouldn't look that way now). Instead of taking the long view, the staff should have realized that when you have an elite talent like AJ, you get the kid on the field - even if it's only 10-15 plays a game. Screw a redshirt and 5 years - get the kid on the field.
Regardless, in my view, Will's got another 1-2 games to salvage himself as "the guy" and if he can't, burn it down and play Rubley, AJ, whomever. Because if Will plays at the level of what he played at vs. OSU, he no longer deserves to be "the guy" - the coaches will know it, the players will know it and even us dumb fans will know it.
You know as well as I do that goes poorly way more than it does well. I want Avery to get touches but it doesn't feel like the smoothest QB operation right now. In this specific case we're a little stuck because the thing that, PRESUMABLY, Avery does best, is the thing that Will is doing best right now.
I do agree with your last paragraph and I'm a bit worried. If Will stinks on Saturday night, Avery's got to be the guy next week. I think it's very possible that either Will presses or he plays way too conservative, in the pass game, like Adrian did last year when he was clearly scared of throwing picks.
Post by: michigancat on October 11, 2023, 11:09:54 AM
If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
I mean we kind of did that last year even if it was injury-driven. And I'd say Roberson and Waters and Thompson ended up about as well as you could expect in the long term. Plus Cook and Bazooka were both seniors, weren't they?
No we didn't, last year. Adrian got hurt and Will took his job. They gave Adrian one game to prove that he could be the guy, he couldn't and it was over. Yes, with Ell, Jake, and Sky, once they were given the jobs they took over and thrived. K-State and Skylar got lucky as hell that Bill left in '18, he might have never made an NFL roster if Bill stayed here.
Adrian started against Texas and Baylor - Will came off the bench against BU after Martinez got hurt
Post by: pissclams on October 11, 2023, 01:10:33 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 11, 2023, 01:55:03 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 11, 2023, 02:00:16 PM
perhaps will isn’t the problem. have any of you considered that avery could be negatively influencing will?Maybe it's the influencer influencing them both?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 11, 2023, 02:14:17 PM
perhaps will isn’t the problem. have any of you considered that avery could be negatively influencing will?
Every knucklehead on this blog knows that The Moon is what primarily affects the tides. Is it the only thing? No, of course not. The Sun is the gorilla in the room when it comes to mass. But that gorilla is a long ways away. The question is…who is the Moon and who is the Sun in that locker room?
And young man I suggest you take a long look in the mirror and make sure you’re prepared for the answer (bc at this exact moment I don’t think you are)
Post by: DQ12 on October 11, 2023, 03:20:08 PM
perhaps will isn’t the problem. have any of you considered that avery could be negatively influencing will?perhaps this is what the owl was trying to tell us :confused:
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2023, 08:15:16 AM
perhaps will isn’t the problem. have any of you considered that avery could be negatively influencing will?
Every knucklehead on this blog knows that The Moon is what primarily affects the tides. Is it the only thing? No, of course not. The Sun is the gorilla in the room when it comes to mass. But that gorilla is a long ways away. The question is…who is the Moon and who is the Sun in that locker room?
And young man I suggest you take a long look in the mirror and make sure you’re prepared for the answer (bc at this exact moment I don’t think you are)
Deep thoughts with The Deep.
Post by: stunted on October 12, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
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In the secondary, the Red Raiders like to play man coverage and have a lot of length as well. The secondary is also very aggressive and will look to make plays on the ball.
might break the single game interception record
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2023, 04:17:08 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2023, 04:22:21 PM
https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/
I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2023, 04:27:08 PM
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:
https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/
I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.
old time press conferences were a hoot
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https://www.newspapers.com/image/313622423/?fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjMxMzYyMjQyMywiaWF0IjoxNjk3MTQ1NzgzLCJleHAiOjE2OTcyMzIxODN9.Tv_w0jDz-UBspLQjkS7p0weAmjvcUUddcBfWIby6bt8
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 12, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
"I think we've got a good plan for Avery moving forward this week, but obviously Will (Howard) will be the main guy."
Guess we'll find out what that means...
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:
https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/
I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.
That sent me down quite the rabbit hole. He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 12, 2023, 05:23:12 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 12, 2023, 05:54:32 PM
i was friends with his daughters when we were all at ksu cats u together, and met lynn many times. nice dude.well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:
https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/
I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.
That sent me down quite the rabbit hole. He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2023, 06:08:02 PM
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:
https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/
I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.
That sent me down quite the rabbit hole. He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!
And he had a 15 year NFL career!
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 12, 2023, 06:29:15 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2023, 07:08:34 PM
Was 1970 before the advent of pass interference? Dickey might have been playing NFL Blitz out there.Well there was an incident in Dickey's 7 interception game where one of his receivers was kicked out for knocking a ref's hat off when he thought there should have been a pass interference call
Post by: tdaver on October 13, 2023, 09:48:13 AM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 13, 2023, 12:05:20 PM
Jonathan Beasley was benched for Adam Helm in the second half at Iowa State in 1999. Beas wasn’t giving up his starting spot, but a change was needed in that particular game. This was the situation last week at OSU. Howard was struggling. Bench him and try to save the game. You can still go back to him the next week.
At this point, if Howard can't find a rhythm in the pass game, we ought to go back to that 1999-00 Beasley offense where 75% of the plays are runs and most of the passes are aimless hail mary's down the field to soften up the defense.
I was at this ISU game and that comeback was incredible - especially the ISU fan reaction. Priceless.
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2023, 01:13:11 PM
Jonathan Beasley was benched for Adam Helm in the second half at Iowa State in 1999. Beas wasn’t giving up his starting spot, but a change was needed in that particular game. This was the situation last week at OSU. Howard was struggling. Bench him and try to save the game. You can still go back to him the next week.
At this point, if Howard can't find a rhythm in the pass game, we ought to go back to that 1999-00 Beasley offense where 75% of the plays are runs and most of the passes are aimless hail mary's down the field to soften up the defense.
He had one bad game. It's really his first bad game since 2021*.
*you could count Bama as a bad game but that's a bit different than all the other opponents
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2023, 01:23:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2023, 01:41:32 PM
What is your threshold for a bad game?
I didn't have a specific criteria in mind but when I when I looked back at the game log the only real stinkers since 2021 were @OSU, Bama, and @OSU. So it looks like a sub-100 QBR might work?
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Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2023, 01:56:41 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2023, 02:10:26 PM
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2023, 02:22:50 PM
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 13, 2023, 03:25:43 PM
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
That's fine, but the UCF defense is atrocious (43.7 ppg in Big 12 games). It's bad enough that it almost needs an asterisk next to it.
This year, Will's passer rating is 20 points below his rating last year. He's 26 attempts shy of his total volume of throws from last year, but he had 6 more passing TDs last year and three fewer INTs. His avg. per attempt is down from 8.2 to 7.1. Even with his 80-yard run last week, his avg. yards per carry is down a full yard this year (from 5.8 ypc last year to 4.7 ypc this year). His QBR this year is 69.5 - 38th in the country.
Did we feel like Will was the 38th best QB in the country during the second half of the season last year?
By all measures, Will is playing worse this year than last year. I think that's the concern - especially given that he made an enormous leap from 2020-21 to his play last year. Expecting the same level of play - or, even better play - is/was certainly not unreasonable.
And all of that doesn't even take into account the golden child now sitting on the bench. Factor that it too and it's easy to see why people are antsy.
Post by: ben ji on October 13, 2023, 03:55:47 PM
It was 28-28 at one point in the first half!The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
Post by: stunted on October 13, 2023, 04:06:28 PM
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:
https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/
I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.
That sent me down quite the rabbit hole. He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!
The game seemed a lot different back then lol. Even DOD1 surprising that our stud QBs were throwing around 50%.
Back to record watch, I think we will see Avery long before Will has a chance to hit 7 ints in a game
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2023, 04:43:50 PM
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
That's fine, but the UCF defense is atrocious (43.7 ppg in Big 12 games). It's bad enough that it almost needs an asterisk next to it.
This year, Will's passer rating is 20 points below his rating last year. He's 26 attempts shy of his total volume of throws from last year, but he had 6 more passing TDs last year and three fewer INTs. His avg. per attempt is down from 8.2 to 7.1. Even with his 80-yard run last week, his avg. yards per carry is down a full yard this year (from 5.8 ypc last year to 4.7 ypc this year). His QBR this year is 69.5 - 38th in the country.
Did we feel like Will was the 38th best QB in the country during the second half of the season last year?
By all measures, Will is playing worse this year than last year. I think that's the concern - especially given that he made an enormous leap from 2020-21 to his play last year. Expecting the same level of play - or, even better play - is/was certainly not unreasonable.
And all of that doesn't even take into account the golden child now sitting on the bench. Factor that it too and it's easy to see why people are antsy.
you're totally right that he's worse statistically, but I don't think he's in "can't find his rhythm" mode because of one bad game as we mentioned. I wonder how much Deuce boosted his numbers last year, not just in raw numbers but as a threat to be accounted for.
Post by: pissclams on October 13, 2023, 04:44:42 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
Well we are using QBR in this comparison and it was 110 against UCF which is pretty bad. It's on par with how he ended 2021.
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2023, 05:07:19 PM
OkThe UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
Well we are using QBR in this comparison and it was 110 against UCF which is pretty bad. It's on par with how he ended 2021.
Post by: Winters on October 13, 2023, 05:41:03 PM
We'll always have 28-28It was 28-28 at one point in the first half!The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.
Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)
OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
Post by: pissclams on October 14, 2023, 07:42:39 AM
hopefully he bounces back and shows lubbock what a real mahomes looks like
Post by: Katpappy on October 14, 2023, 01:14:43 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2023, 09:06:30 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
Why are people being mean to Will? Obviously Avery is better but Will won a Dr. Pepper for us and seems like a great kid.
#1cat
Post by: Pete on October 16, 2023, 07:48:17 AM
Post by: DQ12 on October 16, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
I said it in a different thread but I’m pretty excited at the idea of Will being the backup again. Looking back I think it was significant that he was never clearly “the guy” until the very end of last season. He’s got the physical attributes and skills to be a great QB, he just really struggles under pressure at times.I'm not so sure about that. He's never really thrown a "pretty ball" imo. He's been pretty limited pocket-mobility-wise this season. He's big and has an OK arm and can run OK. I do love him though for what he did for us last year and as a person.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 16, 2023, 09:33:35 AM
We did it last year, but I don’t think there’s a clear case to be made that it benefitted us. It seemed like Howard was clearly the better QB.If Will has an early INT this Saturday, I'd bench him.
What are you going to do if Avery comes in and looks like crap partially because he's had limited first team snaps in practice. He's been preparing like a backup then you're going to have him come in and clean someone else's mess.
If Will is going to be benched for Avery it needs to be because Will got hurt or the decision was made during the week so Avery and the entire offense can properly prepare, this isn't PlayStation. I keep hearing from people, who I'll take at their work that they know what they're talking about, that the receivers have not been good, that's gonna change with a quarterback who hasn't been prepared to run the offense?
I mean, we’d put Will back in. I don’t think it’s as complex as the scenario you’ve concocted in your head is making it out to be. If we put in Avery and he’s worse than Will, then we put Will back in. Simple. Might that mess up his rhythm? Maybe, but the fact that we’re even having this conversation in the first place means his rhythm hasn’t been that good. We’ve lost two games we absolutely should’ve won. Is that all on Will? Of course not. But frankly we’re better than our 3-2 record.
You think that's good for the long and short term for either of them? You'd think we've seen enough examples of quarterback shuffling, at K-State alone, to know it doesn't work. We literally just saw it on Friday night with Oklahoma State. Ell Roberson & Marc Dunn, the entire 2004 & 05 seasons, Jake Waters & Daniel Sams, Joe Hubener & Cody Cook, Alex Delton & Skylar Thompson. Those were all sister's situations where the coaches couldn't decide who the guy was, then when they finally did, we almost instantly got better.
I mean we kind of did that last year even if it was injury-driven. And I'd say Roberson and Waters and Thompson ended up about as well as you could expect in the long term. Plus Cook and Bazooka were both seniors, weren't they?
Not that anyone should mind getting Avery in for a few packages here and there like Taysum Hill with New Orleans. That’s quite a bit different than covering for poor starting QB performance though.
Maybe this is the bigger problem? The coaches not identifying the best QB. :dunno:
They figured it out, but a game too late?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 16, 2023, 09:36:56 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 16, 2023, 10:52:44 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 16, 2023, 11:48:44 AM
Will is our Henry Rowengartner.
Can he throw a frozen rope to home plate from the outfield bleachers?
Post by: wetwillie on October 16, 2023, 12:20:57 PM
Post by: CNS on October 16, 2023, 12:54:57 PM
Post by: ben ji on October 16, 2023, 06:13:58 PM
Iowa Hawkeyes need Will Howard for 2024.
:horrorsurprise:
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 16, 2023, 07:14:36 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 16, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
Iowa Hawkeyes need Will Howard for 2024.
As what, they barely know what a forward pass is
Post by: cfbandyman on October 16, 2023, 09:31:23 PM
Why are people being mean to Will? Obviously Avery is better but Will won a Dr. Pepper for us and seems like a great kid.
100% agree, and I was also happy to see him pumped for Avery. He's a team player
Post by: catastrophe on October 21, 2023, 08:37:46 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 21, 2023, 08:47:35 PM
I truly believe that alternating Avery on drives is just as much to de-pressurize Will to make him better as it is to get our speedster stud on the field.
Agreed, and a very big-brain move to please the people by putting Avery in on the opening snap
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2023, 09:25:00 PM
Mods, change thread title to How Done Is Will Howard?
As a KSU Cat fan, I hope we never see Will Howard take a snap again and that Will goes on to live a very joyous remainder of his time at KSU and a happy and healthy life after football.
RECORD WATCHQuoteIn the secondary, the Red Raiders like to play man coverage and have a lot of length as well. The secondary is also very aggressive and will look to make plays on the ball.
might break the single game interception record
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2023, 07:04:17 PM
I truly believe that alternating Avery on drives is just as much to de-pressurize Will to make him better as it is to get our speedster stud on the field.
It's silly and Texas will murder us if we keep doing it. I got all kinds of crap for predicting that Avery would be a day 1 starter the day he signed, that being said they just need Will to be the quarterback. Give Avery a couple of drives and random plays. Keep Will the starter until he shows he's no longer capable. We've had one of the most efficient offenses in the conference and country all year. I feel like this every other drive thing is going to screw then both up.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 22, 2023, 08:42:47 PM
I do think the alternating possessions will go at some point - either because Howard fully settles down or a legit defense stuffs it - but I imagine it's actually mentally beneficial for both because they know exactly what the dealio is and can mentally prepare - as opposed to someone getting yanked, not knowing if/when they'll go back in, etc.
As weird as it sounds, there's a degree of certainty to this concept and it's working (for now).
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2023, 08:58:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ExP1AaYO0
Post by: cfbandyman on October 22, 2023, 09:14:39 PM
If we consistently saw the Howard that we saw last night, we don't need AJ (though I still think he'd be valuable to bring in for certain packages/situations). Obviously, that didn't happen at all vs. OSU and has been sporadic in other games. For the most part, Will took what was available last night and didn't force stuff. If he can do that most of the time, we're good.
I do think the alternating possessions will go at some point - either because Howard fully settles down or a legit defense stuffs it - but I imagine it's actually mentally beneficial for both because they know exactly what the dealio is and can mentally prepare - as opposed to someone getting yanked, not knowing if/when they'll go back in, etc.
As weird as it sounds, there's a degree of certainty to this concept and it's working (for now).
Yeah, in general for me it shouldn't be set, I think it should be Will, then Avery as needed to keep the defense guessing. Hell, times they both should be. Nothing should be set to alternating or predictable. I think fluidity with a plan (that we know) helps us.
The game plan vs TCU was perfect. They complimented each other well. As long as it's about both working together to win, I'm going to trust Klein and the process
Post by: cfbandyman on October 22, 2023, 09:15:44 PM
I truly believe that alternating Avery on drives is just as much to de-pressurize Will to make him better as it is to get our speedster stud on the field.
I think it does help a lot mentally for Will to not feel like he has to do it all.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2023, 09:17:35 PM
I truly believe that alternating Avery on drives is just as much to de-pressurize Will to make him better as it is to get our speedster stud on the field.
I think it does help a lot mentally for Will to not feel like he has to do it all.
You believe that Will thinks that talking every snap burdensome and splitting his job is freeing to him?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 22, 2023, 10:10:03 PM
I truly believe that alternating Avery on drives is just as much to de-pressurize Will to make him better as it is to get our speedster stud on the field.
I think it does help a lot mentally for Will to not feel like he has to do it all.
You believe that Will thinks that talking every snap burdensome and splitting his job is freeing to him?
Yeah, I hadn't seen that soundbite until you posted it, but when your response to that question is "you can only control what you can control" and that you "don't make the decisions" - that's pretty telling. It's obviously the truth - as it would be for anyone in this situation - but I'm honestly a bit surprised that Will didn't have a stock "whatever's best for the team" type of answer there.
Post by: catastrophe on October 22, 2023, 11:33:26 PM
Why wouldn’t it be? The TCU game sent a pretty strong message that the coaches are going to play Avery cause he’s good, not because Will is bad or even necessarily that Avery is the better 4-quarter QB at this time.I truly believe that alternating Avery on drives is just as much to de-pressurize Will to make him better as it is to get our speedster stud on the field.
I think it does help a lot mentally for Will to not feel like he has to do it all.
You believe that Will thinks that talking every snap burdensome and splitting his job is freeing to him?
I totally agree that alternating drives is not a season long strategy, and if we weren’t dominating TCU the whole game they would have done something else. But I think there is enough data to conclude that Will performs better when he’s something other than QB 1.
Post by: stunted on October 23, 2023, 02:45:42 AM
I agree but I'm not sure the QBs knew they would be alternating possessions. I'd feel better about it if they knew that was the case but I got the impression that CKx2 were playing it by feel. Will seemed kind of surly during his post game interview. Don't know who asked the "proud of Avery" question, but that was wack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ExP1AaYO0
hey will, what kind of parental role has avery played for you and your teammates?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9CqOz5aOo
Post by: Tobias on October 23, 2023, 03:34:12 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2023, 09:54:23 AM
I agree but I'm not sure the QBs knew they would be alternating possessions. I'd feel better about it if they knew that was the case but I got the impression that CKx2 were playing it by feel. Will seemed kind of surly during his post game interview. Don't know who asked the "proud of Avery" question, but that was wack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ExP1AaYO0
hey will, what kind of parental role has avery played for you and your teammates?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9CqOz5aOo
:ROFL: the fact that she asked that question after he clearly took exception to the framing is top notch unawareness
Post by: bananaeater on October 23, 2023, 05:15:01 PM
I agree but I'm not sure the QBs knew they would be alternating possessions. I'd feel better about it if they knew that was the case but I got the impression that CKx2 were playing it by feel. Will seemed kind of surly during his post game interview. Don't know who asked the "proud of Avery" question, but that was wack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ExP1AaYO0
hey will, what kind of parental role has avery played for you and your teammates?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9CqOz5aOo
:ROFL: the fact that she asked that question after he clearly took exception to the framing is top notch unawareness
question, and I mean this in all seriousness - what portion of sports reporters like the one asking these questions actually played competitive athletics? Not saying that they should or shouldn't or that it should be a prerequisite or anything. Just genuinely curious.
Post by: CNS on October 23, 2023, 06:31:45 PM
I mean, these guys are doing wildly amazing things and spend a wild amount of time, discipline, determination, and pain and suffering to be able to perform at this level. People watch college and pro sports for how awesome the athletes are and how entertaining that makes the games. The bullshit about grandma and their relationship with their little sister growing up is so not needed.
Post by: bananaeater on October 23, 2023, 08:00:58 PM
It's a great example of where sports journalism goes wrong, imo. The bullshit stories they try to weave, then how often they bring them up during the game, is super cringe to me.Thank you. The fact that in major college football today people regularly catch passes is actually insane to me.
I mean, these guys are doing wildly amazing things and spend a wild amount of time, discipline, determination, and pain and suffering to be able to perform at this level. People watch college and pro sports for how awesome the athletes are and how entertaining that makes the games. The bullshit about grandma and their relationship with their little sister growing up is so not needed.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2023, 11:45:36 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 24, 2023, 03:36:45 PM
He also hinted at the obvious weakness of a 2QB system - telegraphing to the other team what the offense is likely to do based on who is in the game at QB.
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2023, 04:00:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2023, 11:13:27 PM
Will played well enough that I think he gets full time status again against Houston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpzAbzl9-Q
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 27, 2023, 12:29:51 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 27, 2023, 12:45:01 PM
Seems like the best thing to do is rotate them both (assuming they're both having success) so that UT has more to prepare for next week.You don't think they would need to prep for both given what we've seen so far? I think there's enough track record to assume you need to prepare for both of healthy
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 27, 2023, 01:10:07 PM
Or this week you could just play them in offenses where Will always throws and Avery always runs, then switch it completely for the UT game. Really throw them through a loop.
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 27, 2023, 01:11:26 PM
I think there's enough, for sure. But I don't see a reason not to add some more crap in there.
Or this week you could just play them in offenses where Will always throws and Avery always runs, then switch it completely for the UT game. Really throw them through a loop.
If anyone has a way to contact Collin Klein, please get this extra awesome game plan to him STAT!!
Post by: wetwillie on October 27, 2023, 01:12:10 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 27, 2023, 01:12:29 PM
Avery is the better thrower of the twoWithout question
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Post by: wetwillie on October 27, 2023, 01:13:15 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 27, 2023, 01:58:02 PM
Also the better runner
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 27, 2023, 02:16:15 PM
Avery is the better thrower of the twoWithout question
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Uh, there's lots of questions about that. He threw one timing pass pattern all season and the pass was off. I'm pretty sure he throws a better deep ball. Will is really good in tight windows and he's pretty good on the timing patterns. I'd like to see Avery do any of that in college.
Post by: steve dave on October 27, 2023, 02:30:06 PM
Avery is the better thrower of the twoWithout question
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Uh, there's lots of questions about that. He threw one timing pass pattern all season and the pass was off. I'm pretty sure he throws a better deep ball. Will is really good in tight windows and he's pretty good on the timing patterns. I'd like to see Avery do any of that in college.
well no questions from me anyway
Post by: wetwillie on October 27, 2023, 03:12:26 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 27, 2023, 03:33:37 PM
avery johnson = nfl mahomes (not college mahomes)
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2023, 03:52:56 PM
Avery is the better thrower of the twoWithout question
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Uh, there's lots of questions about that. He threw one timing pass pattern all season and the pass was off. I'm pretty sure he throws a better deep ball. Will is really good in tight windows and he's pretty good on the timing patterns. I'd like to see Avery do any of that in college.
yeah i think there is some projection of future avery going on here
Post by: kim carnes on October 27, 2023, 04:28:32 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 27, 2023, 04:38:40 PM
Avery is lacking some intangibles at this point
Sure, but I can't quite put my finger on what exactly it is.
Post by: wetwillie on October 27, 2023, 04:42:52 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 27, 2023, 05:10:24 PM
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2023, 05:28:55 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 27, 2023, 05:35:12 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2023, 06:51:37 AM
Avery is the better thrower of the twoWithout question
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Uh, there's lots of questions about that. He threw one timing pass pattern all season and the pass was off. I'm pretty sure he throws a better deep ball. Will is really good in tight windows and he's pretty good on the timing patterns. I'd like to see Avery do any of that in college.
yeah i think there is some projection of future avery going on here
not from me
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 28, 2023, 08:34:04 AM
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Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2023, 08:50:15 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 28, 2023, 08:53:20 AM
Unless that someone is Will Howard I struggle to see how that is thread appropriate information.Ask your mom
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Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2023, 09:02:22 AM
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 11:30:58 AM
Unless that someone is Will Howard I struggle to see how that is thread appropriate information.
Why are you being an bad person towards Will?
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 11:33:14 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 28, 2023, 11:45:15 AM
Hot goss on campus is that Avery’s head is a mess right now after banging someone other than his girlfriend
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Avery should not have a steady girlfriend at this point in his life.
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2023, 11:50:37 AM
If it worked for Pat Mahomes and Collin Klein it may just work for Avery.Hot goss on campus is that Avery’s head is a mess right now after banging someone other than his girlfriend
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Avery should not have a steady girlfriend at this point in his life.
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2023, 11:52:49 AM
Will is better at handing the ball off for sureWell that’s fuckin’ confirmed!
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Post by: kim carnes on October 28, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 28, 2023, 11:56:40 AM
If it worked for Pat Mahomes and Collin Klein it may just work for Avery.Hot goss on campus is that Avery’s head is a mess right now after banging someone other than his girlfriend
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Avery should not have a steady girlfriend at this point in his life.
Not if you're bangin' other babes.
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2023, 11:57:32 AM
Will is better at handing the ball off for sureWell that’s fuckin’ confirmed!
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Yea he put on on the ground earlier this year and we got it back. It's his Achilles heel.
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
Unless that someone is Will Howard I struggle to see how that is thread appropriate information.Ask your mom
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YLA, notice how he's quiet as a mouse since AJ fumble.
Post by: chum1 on October 28, 2023, 12:00:08 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2023, 12:00:58 PM
Avery:Brown
Post by: pissclams on October 28, 2023, 12:06:33 PM
Avery's cheating caused that fumble.listen man, get off his back
everyone makes mistakes, both on the field and in the boudoir
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 12:07:11 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 12:09:02 PM
Yes, it's only cool when we pick on Howard.Avery's cheating caused that fumble.listen man, get off his back
everyone makes mistakes, both on the field and in the boudoir
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 12:21:39 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2023, 12:52:39 PM
4 TDs for the CATs and nothing for UH.This is the analysis that keeps me re-upping my bi-weekly gE premium membership
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 01:22:37 PM
Post by: goCats101 on October 28, 2023, 01:37:58 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 28, 2023, 01:40:03 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 28, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 01:53:51 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2023, 01:59:25 PM
klieman having avery take a massive dump this week to throw texas some “bad tape” on johnson is next level schemingThinking a CK 2010 type game?
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2023, 08:01:50 PM
Post by: ben ji on October 28, 2023, 10:39:51 PM
klieman having avery take a massive dump this week to throw texas some “bad tape” on johnson is next level scheming
Clams knows what he is talking about, he is in a freshman orientation class with Avery.
Post by: pissclams on October 28, 2023, 10:46:50 PM
i had to drop the class, too early in the morning for meklieman having avery take a massive dump this week to throw texas some “bad tape” on johnson is next level scheming
Clams knows what he is talking about, he is in a freshman orientation class with Avery.
Post by: ben ji on October 28, 2023, 10:57:26 PM
i had to drop the class, too early in the morning for meklieman having avery take a massive dump this week to throw texas some “bad tape” on johnson is next level scheming
Clams knows what he is talking about, he is in a freshman orientation class with Avery.
Good call, sign up for the afternoon class next semester.....mornings are for nerds and football players, the afternoon classes are loaded with BABES.
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2023, 04:51:40 PM
Post by: ben ji on October 30, 2023, 05:58:37 PM
I just watched the ON 3 podcast and they said that after the OSU game, Collin Klein adjusted what was the issue with why Will was not having the success that he had last year? It was the issue with the line not emphasizing pass protection like they did last year. He also talked to the receivers' coach and had him adjust the receivers' routes to break away at the time of the ball landing in the sweet spot. So they are giving credit for CK adjusting the offense to be more productive.
All hail our golden son CK7
Post by: Katpappy on October 30, 2023, 07:14:02 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 30, 2023, 09:42:49 PM
I remember LHCBS talking about how Collon Klein would spend most of his time studying the playbook during his "free" time. Who knew he would become a coach and have no career in the NFL? Sometimes I think we are blessed to have him running the offense. I'm so glad CK decided to keep CK. (np pun intended), but LOL.Will he go down in history as a greater Wildcat than Ernie Barrett?
Post by: DQ12 on November 01, 2023, 03:18:46 PM
Howard through the air, or Johnson on the ground? K-S- YOU'LL just wait and see!
Go Avery, Go Will
Touchdown touchdown touchdown, still!
K-S-U quarterbacks of fame!
K-S-U let's win this GAME!
Post by: Katpappy on November 01, 2023, 05:31:22 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 04, 2023, 03:13:36 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 04, 2023, 03:35:38 PM
Was the Texas game Will's first 300 yard passing game?
... is this a real stat?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 04, 2023, 03:55:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2023, 04:07:29 PM
Was the Texas game Will's first 300 yard passing game?Yes. He's hit 290 a couple times
Also overall he was great today
Post by: steve dave on November 04, 2023, 04:32:17 PM
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Post by: ben ji on November 05, 2023, 01:01:14 PM
If you can't handle Will at his newborn deer moments you don't deserve him at his best.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 05, 2023, 01:09:33 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 06, 2023, 03:49:20 AM
https://x.com/Stanimal032/status/1720987916904681589?s=20
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 06, 2023, 10:06:53 AM
I agree with Ben.
https://twitter.com/Stanimal032/status/1720987916904681589?s=20
10/10
Post by: Spracne on November 06, 2023, 10:13:12 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2023, 10:24:10 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on November 06, 2023, 10:25:34 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2023, 10:35:30 AM
You know good and damn well that criticism of student athletes and how they take it has literally nothing to do with nil, weirdo behavior to conflate the two
Post by: OK_Cat on November 06, 2023, 10:41:31 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2023, 11:23:03 AM
-People did and still would be talking crap before nil existed. Acting like nil is a license to criticize is really rough ridin' dumb.
-There's nothing about student athletes that makes them uniquely qualified to handle criticism, not sure why Sinnott being sensitive to it is any more noteworthy than any of the arguments you've had with fanning on here or twitter.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 06, 2023, 02:16:38 PM
Post by: j-von on November 06, 2023, 03:01:01 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 06, 2023, 03:11:59 PM
Lol @ tuck_cat lmao
"I wish I didn't have student loans!!!!!!!"
Post by: OK_Cat on November 06, 2023, 06:27:27 PM
Just thinking maybe Sinnett needs to stop being such a FP when it comes to outside noise.
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Post by: Katpappy on November 07, 2023, 04:33:41 AM
https://x.com/ParkerThune/status/1721702120179781813?s=20
Post by: Cire on November 07, 2023, 09:05:26 AM
I think that's a huge motivator that our program uses. Last year or the year before when CK was complaining about the media being overly negative/critical.
Last year there was even a clip after the ccg win and sinnot said something like "everyone doubts us, they always do"
So maybe it's Sinnott's motivator but I think the staff embraces us against the world and when you come that close against texas it's hard because that's the whole identity.
Post by: Spracne on November 07, 2023, 09:15:57 AM
Here's one for Okiecat.
https://x.com/ParkerThune/status/1721702120179781813?s=20
Let me fix that for you.
https://twitter.com/ParkerThune/status/1721702120179781813?s=20
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2023, 02:23:08 PM
Can somebody tell me how Will was mistreated? Twitter doesn't count.
Listening to the 3MAW podcast, Derek Young said, he doesn't know that what directly led to this rant, but he has first hand knowledge of players and their parents getting inappropriate/rude/unacceptable DMs from fans after games. That's extremely unacceptable and I can certainly see a 21 year old cracking under that.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 07, 2023, 03:47:55 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 07, 2023, 04:42:56 PM
Completely unacceptable behavior. Those asshats need to be outted.Can somebody tell me how Will was mistreated? Twitter doesn't count.
Listening to the 3MAW podcast, Derek Young said, he doesn't know that what directly led to this rant, but he has first hand knowledge of players and their parents getting inappropriate/rude/unacceptable DMs from fans after games. That's extremely unacceptable and I can certainly see a 21 year old cracking under that.
Post by: bananaeater on November 07, 2023, 07:01:12 PM
What kind of sad-sack losers do crap like this? If you're calling up a college athlete or their family to bitch about gameplay, you deserve to get your ass kicked. One assumes they are people who have never accomplished anything of note in their lives.Can somebody tell me how Will was mistreated? Twitter doesn't count.
Listening to the 3MAW podcast, Derek Young said, he doesn't know that what directly led to this rant, but he has first hand knowledge of players and their parents getting inappropriate/rude/unacceptable DMs from fans after games. That's extremely unacceptable and I can certainly see a 21 year old cracking under that.
Post by: Katpappy on November 07, 2023, 09:46:38 PM
What kind of sad-sack losers do crap like this? If you're calling up a college athlete or their family to bitch about gameplay, you deserve to get your ass kicked. One assumes they are people who have never accomplished anything of note in their lives.Can somebody tell me how Will was mistreated? Twitter doesn't count.
Listening to the 3MAW podcast, Derek Young said, he doesn't know that what directly led to this rant, but he has first hand knowledge of players and their parents getting inappropriate/rude/unacceptable DMs from fans after games. That's extremely unacceptable and I can certainly see a 21 year old cracking under that.
Welp, it's apparent that you don't post when our team is losing. If you ever do you will realize the amount of grown children on this board who have nothing positive to say about our players or coaches.
Post by: stunted on November 08, 2023, 09:53:37 PM
Post by: Tobias on November 09, 2023, 12:36:08 AM
Post by: bananaeater on November 09, 2023, 09:43:00 AM
Sure, but are they slipping their nonsense into players dms? I mean, bbsers gonna bbs, but with goEMAW a player would have to choose to expose himself to this nonsense. There's a big difference.What kind of sad-sack losers do crap like this? If you're calling up a college athlete or their family to bitch about gameplay, you deserve to get your ass kicked. One assumes they are people who have never accomplished anything of note in their lives.Can somebody tell me how Will was mistreated? Twitter doesn't count.
Listening to the 3MAW podcast, Derek Young said, he doesn't know that what directly led to this rant, but he has first hand knowledge of players and their parents getting inappropriate/rude/unacceptable DMs from fans after games. That's extremely unacceptable and I can certainly see a 21 year old cracking under that.
Welp, it's apparent that you don't post when our team is losing. If you ever do you will realize the amount of grown children on this board who have nothing positive to say about our players or coaches.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 09, 2023, 11:37:07 AM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 09, 2023, 01:29:55 PM
Post by: bananaeater on November 09, 2023, 01:36:27 PM
Will Will set the all time KSU passing touchdown record this Saturday at Baylor or will Will wait until the KU game?
if draftkings ever gets player stats up for this game I very much plan betting on Big Willie Style +2.5 Passing TDs.
Post by: stunted on November 09, 2023, 01:38:05 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/85bb5cf3df974732ad773fa65d14fabf.png)
who you guys taking?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 09, 2023, 01:46:37 PM
Will Will set the all time KSU passing touchdown record this Saturday at Baylor or will Will wait until the KU game?
Absolutely zero chance he even ties the record in Waco this week.
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2023, 01:47:17 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 09, 2023, 02:28:17 PM
Will Will set the all time KSU passing touchdown record this Saturday at Baylor or will Will wait until the KU game?
Absolutely zero chance he even ties the record in Waco this week.
You are correct :frown: :facepalm:
Post by: bananaeater on November 09, 2023, 02:55:47 PM
I see what you did there.
Will Will set the all time KSU passing touchdown record this Saturday at Baylor or will Will wait until the KU game?
Absolutely zero chance he even ties the record in Waco this week.
Post by: CNS on November 10, 2023, 03:19:29 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 11, 2023, 02:57:35 PM
Will is going to throw for 4 in the first half and AJ will run for 4 in the second half.
looking likely
Congrats to Will Howard for setting the KSU touchdown record :cheers:
Post by: cfbandyman on November 11, 2023, 02:59:18 PM
Post by: stunted on November 11, 2023, 03:00:34 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 11, 2023, 03:30:53 PM
nfl next year?
Not a chance.
Post by: catastrophe on November 11, 2023, 03:37:17 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 11, 2023, 03:39:07 PM
He deserves a shot based on his size and resume alone. I think he’s a better prospect than Skyler was ceiling wise, but definitely more red flags.This was supposed to be his year to solidify himself but he has been largely outplayed by a true freshman. I wouldn't touch Howard with a six foot poll and I suspect anyone who watches some tape will come to the same conclusion
Post by: catastrophe on November 11, 2023, 03:44:40 PM
Freeman’s best season we barely went bowl eligible and we even had a franchise hall of famer at receiver. But he still managed to be a starting NFL QB for a bit cause he was big, decently mobile, and a competent pocket passer. Howard seems to fit a similar profile to me.He deserves a shot based on his size and resume alone. I think he’s a better prospect than Skyler was ceiling wise, but definitely more red flags.This was supposed to be his year to solidify himself but he has been largely outplayed by a true freshman. I wouldn't touch Howard with a six foot poll and I suspect anyone who watches some tape will come to the same conclusion
Post by: wetwillie on November 11, 2023, 03:50:07 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 11, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
nfl next year?
Not a chance.
Ok, who did this? :D
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 11, 2023, 04:29:59 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 11, 2023, 06:27:13 PM
...and then dumb her.
too late
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2023, 10:09:22 PM
:love:
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 11, 2023, 10:13:12 PM
:)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2023, 03:05:12 AM
(https://media.tenor.com/-SkomA6DzWIAAAAC/lebron-james-leaving.gif)He deserves a shot based on his size and resume alone. I think he’s a better prospect than Skyler was ceiling wise, but definitely more red flags.he has been largely outplayed by a true freshman.
Post by: stunted on November 12, 2023, 04:10:36 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 12, 2023, 06:34:34 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2023, 06:45:26 AM
Post by: stunted on November 12, 2023, 09:04:09 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 12:09:53 AM
How he has responded to the TTU game is incredibly impressive. It's what I thought we would get at the start of the year.
I very much blame the game plans in the three losses for how he looked.
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2023, 06:12:23 AM
Also he was gimpy as hell at Missouri and probably shouldn't have been playing at the endHow he has responded to the TTU game is incredibly impressive. It's what I thought we would get at the start of the year.
I very much blame the game plans in the three losses for how he looked.
Post by: goCats101 on November 13, 2023, 07:36:29 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 08:44:39 AM
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2023, 08:47:41 AM
I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.
Will Howard, QB - Penn St.
Would be a heck of a story.
Post by: steve dave on November 13, 2023, 08:51:17 AM
I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.I will (unless it’s at Nebraska in which case I’ll be very mean)
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Post by: stunted on November 13, 2023, 08:57:08 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
Post by: bananaeater on November 13, 2023, 08:59:09 AM
I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 09:12:07 AM
I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
He's done here, for sure, he's pretty much said as much without being explicit about it. He's either going to the draft or the Big 10. I think there's a chance he's selected to the Senior Bowl, looking at the QBs on their watchlist. If he gets picked, like Sinnott and Beebe, he's getting drafted.
https://www.seniorbowl.com/watchlist/
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 13, 2023, 09:14:59 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 09:20:29 AM
I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.
I'm not 100% sure I understand NCAA eligibility rules
Post by: ChiComCat on November 13, 2023, 09:33:07 AM
I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.
I'm not 100% sure I understand NCAA eligibility rules
You're allowed to play forever and immediately but you might have to sit out a couple of games while your coach publicly bitches about the NCAA.
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2023, 09:38:26 AM
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 09:45:08 AM
Post by: bananaeater on November 13, 2023, 09:52:04 AM
Guess I didn't realize. Hope whatever he does works out for him, seems like a good dude. Wish he was happy here.I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
He's done here, for sure, he's pretty much said as much without being explicit about it. He's either going to the draft or the Big 10. I think there's a chance he's selected to the Senior Bowl, looking at the QBs on their watchlist. If he gets picked, like Sinnott and Beebe, he's getting drafted.
https://www.seniorbowl.com/watchlist/
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 10:13:51 AM
could will actually play 2 more seasons? (covid year + grad transfer?)
Yes, and unlike the players who were denied eligibility this year, he could transfer twice and not lose eligibility. He has a grad transfer available and a one time transfer available, they are different.
Post by: schreds21 on November 13, 2023, 10:44:19 AM
I think he is happy here. It's our idiot fans who are not happy with him here.Guess I didn't realize. Hope whatever he does works out for him, seems like a good dude. Wish he was happy here.I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
He's done here, for sure, he's pretty much said as much without being explicit about it. He's either going to the draft or the Big 10. I think there's a chance he's selected to the Senior Bowl, looking at the QBs on their watchlist. If he gets picked, like Sinnott and Beebe, he's getting drafted.
https://www.seniorbowl.com/watchlist/
Post by: bananaeater on November 13, 2023, 10:49:04 AM
You have idiot fans everywhere, but I get it. Bummer. Hate to see a guy who won (at least) one dr.pepper and set the TD record finish elsewhere. I'm as big an Avery guy as anyone, but damn.I think he is happy here. It's our idiot fans who are not happy with him here.Guess I didn't realize. Hope whatever he does works out for him, seems like a good dude. Wish he was happy here.I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
He's done here, for sure, he's pretty much said as much without being explicit about it. He's either going to the draft or the Big 10. I think there's a chance he's selected to the Senior Bowl, looking at the QBs on their watchlist. If he gets picked, like Sinnott and Beebe, he's getting drafted.
https://www.seniorbowl.com/watchlist/
Post by: BW on November 13, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
I don't think this is correct. I guess he could, but would have to redshirt and only play 4 games. 4 years of standard eligibility plus a Covid year.could will actually play 2 more seasons? (covid year + grad transfer?)
Yes, and unlike the players who were denied eligibility this year, he could transfer twice and not lose eligibility. He has a grad transfer available and a one time transfer available, they are different.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 11:19:09 AM
I think he is happy here. It's our idiot fans who are not happy with him here.Guess I didn't realize. Hope whatever he does works out for him, seems like a good dude. Wish he was happy here.I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
He's done here, for sure, he's pretty much said as much without being explicit about it. He's either going to the draft or the Big 10. I think there's a chance he's selected to the Senior Bowl, looking at the QBs on their watchlist. If he gets picked, like Sinnott and Beebe, he's getting drafted.
https://www.seniorbowl.com/watchlist/
You're reading way too much into Ben Sinnott's little comments.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 13, 2023, 11:27:36 AM
Meanwhile, Will's season is putting him in football purgatory where he's pretty good but also not a likely draft pick. The NFL will love his smarts and size though so who knows. If Will wasn't happy here, though, he would've left long before now. Dude's stuck it out through a lot.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 13, 2023, 11:49:54 AM
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1723817148332589388?s=20 (https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1723817148332589388?s=20)
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 02:06:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 03:17:21 PM
I don't think this is correct. I guess he could, but would have to redshirt and only play 4 games. 4 years of standard eligibility plus a Covid year.could will actually play 2 more seasons? (covid year + grad transfer?)
Yes, and unlike the players who were denied eligibility this year, he could transfer twice and not lose eligibility. He has a grad transfer available and a one time transfer available, they are different.
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Nevermind.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
I think he is happy here. It's our idiot fans who are not happy with him here.Guess I didn't realize. Hope whatever he does works out for him, seems like a good dude. Wish he was happy here.I hope people are still nice to Will when he's a starting QB in the Big 10 next year.Whoa, whoa, whoa what?
He's done here, for sure, he's pretty much said as much without being explicit about it. He's either going to the draft or the Big 10. I think there's a chance he's selected to the Senior Bowl, looking at the QBs on their watchlist. If he gets picked, like Sinnott and Beebe, he's getting drafted.
https://www.seniorbowl.com/watchlist/
He's definitely happy here, and his brother is coming, doesn't mean he won't transfer though.
Post by: CHONGS on November 27, 2023, 11:29:38 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2023, 11:34:57 AM
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2023, 12:06:59 PM
Post by: bshea85 on November 27, 2023, 12:18:44 PM
I just hope he doesn't have to end up at Nebraska. Think that would not end well.
Wherever Will goes, I hope he's coached well and has the receivers needed to throw like he does.
Post by: CHONGS on November 27, 2023, 12:27:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2023, 12:31:50 PM
Post by: Cire on November 27, 2023, 12:39:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 12:50:30 PM
Will Howard the last year and a half has been a good college quarterback. I'm sure that Notre Dame's defensive minded coach is looking for a game manager/leader.
You think Will is a game manager?
Post by: CNS on November 27, 2023, 01:16:27 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 27, 2023, 01:19:26 PM
https://twitter.com/GoPowercat/status/1729183304778489982?s=20
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 01:20:46 PM
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2023, 01:25:20 PM
Post by: Cire on November 27, 2023, 01:43:12 PM
Will Howard the last year and a half has been a good college quarterback. I'm sure that Notre Dame's defensive minded coach is looking for a game manager/leader.
You think Will is a game manager?
I think that's what he'll be asked to do at Notre Dame. He's been good the last year and a half, but I don't think he'd be asked to make a bunch of plays with his arms/feet there.
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2023, 01:45:24 PM
It’s my guess that he knows he isn’t the best QB on the team. He’s not dumb.
He was absolutely the best QB overall this year. Might not be next year though.
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2023, 01:47:57 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2023, 02:19:29 PM
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whateverIf he can land a starting job at a blue blood program, it is by far his best shot at a high NFL draft grade. If he stays he risks getting beaten out by Avery and buried in the depth chart.
It’s a completely logical decision. This year was Howard’s best shot at making a splash at KSU and it never fully happened.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 02:33:08 PM
Is it 100% that Will is transferring?
No, it's not 100% though it's likely. No one is reporting anything, it's all speculation. He's going to try to get draft info too.
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whatever
What in the world? This isn't even remotely true. Am I just missing obvious sarcasm or something? This fan base has lost its collective mind.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 27, 2023, 02:34:16 PM
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 02:35:51 PM
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whatever
What in the world? This isn't even remotely true. Am I just missing obvious sarcasm or something? This fan base has lost its collective mind.
to clarify here i'm making fun of people that freaked out when people were mean to will on twitter after the osu game
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 02:44:16 PM
ND fans would never hurt Will Howard's feelings, that's for sure
Will's feelings were never hurt by K-State fans. If they were he's never expressed any sadness or anger with K-State fans. This talking point needs to stop, it's perpetuating a mistruth and is giving people license to unnecessarily be crap heads. Dude has been nothing but straight up. If people want to criticize his on field play, fine, I guess, but the character assassination on his was out was predictable, I called it in this very thread, but total bullshit.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2023, 02:50:50 PM
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whateverIf he can land a starting job at a blue blood program, it is by far his best shot at a high NFL draft grade. If he stays he risks getting beaten out by Avery and buried in the depth chart.
It’s a completely logical decision. This year was Howard’s best shot at making a splash at KSU and it never fully happened.
This is accurate. I think it's clear he won't be given a fair shot next year to be our starter. Analyze some of the BB's depth charts, figure out which one gives you best shot to be the guy and then go get a fresh start.
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2023, 03:24:13 PM
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whatever
What in the world? This isn't even remotely true. Am I just missing obvious sarcasm or something? This fan base has lost its collective mind.
to clarify here i'm making fun of people that freaked out when people were mean to will on twitter after the osu game
I don't know if I freaked out but I think people mean to Will on twitter are losers
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whatever
What in the world? This isn't even remotely true. Am I just missing obvious sarcasm or something? This fan base has lost its collective mind.
to clarify here i'm making fun of people that freaked out when people were mean to will on twitter after the osu game
I don't know if I freaked out but I think people mean to Will on twitter are losers
:thumbs:
Post by: ChiComCat on November 27, 2023, 03:47:26 PM
ND fans would never hurt Will Howard's feelings, that's for sure
Will's feelings were never hurt by K-State fans. If they were he's never expressed any sadness or anger with K-State fans. This talking point needs to stop, it's perpetuating a mistruth and is giving people license to unnecessarily be crap heads. Dude has been nothing but straight up. If people want to criticize his on field play, fine, I guess, but the character assassination on his was out was predictable, I called it in this very thread, but total bullshit.
Oh, I agree. My comment was meant to show how dumb it is to act like he's super sensitive and then go to ND.
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 27, 2023, 04:16:10 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2023, 04:57:05 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 27, 2023, 05:07:56 PM
Is there any chance he plays in the bowl game or does that mean it’s Avery? Honestly not sure which I prefer. I’m excited for a glimpse of the future but would prefer that Howard can finish on a better note than the Abominable Snowgame.
I'm fine either way, but I think I'd rather get a look ahead to next year.
Post by: DQ12 on November 27, 2023, 05:23:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2023, 05:40:57 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 27, 2023, 05:41:59 PM
Will Howard is anything but a game manager imo. He's a gunslinger.
Correct. Will is out there slanging rockets all over the field into holes that sometimes aren't there, absolute gunslinger mentality.
Howard will always hold a special place in K-State lore, the picture of him getting carried off the field after smoking OSU still makes me feel warm inside.
I'm excited for #AveryTime in the bowl game and wish Will the best of luck next year and I'll definitely be following/rooting for him.
Post by: ben ji on November 27, 2023, 05:43:53 PM
Sure Alex(Howard) was an above average QB who did some good things for KC (K-State) the second the chefs drafted Mahomes(Avery) Alex knew he only had another year left before the golden child took over.
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 27, 2023, 09:06:35 PM
and to think it's all because some people were mean on twitter in october or whatever
What in the world? This isn't even remotely true. Am I just missing obvious sarcasm or something? This fan base has lost its collective mind.
to clarify here i'm making fun of people that freaked out when people were mean to will on twitter after the osu game
I don't know if I freaked out but I think people mean to Will on twitter are losers
Absolutely this. "Losers" is the perfect word for them.
I really hope Will wins every game next year that isn't against us, and then gets drafted in the first round and wins multiple Super Bowls.
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2023, 09:31:10 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2023, 09:44:15 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 27, 2023, 09:52:59 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 27, 2023, 10:01:24 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on November 27, 2023, 10:33:07 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 28, 2023, 12:16:38 AM
Post by: Katpappy on November 28, 2023, 04:18:20 AM
.https://x.com/tjax620/status/1729269831743201393?s=20
Post by: chum1 on November 28, 2023, 06:12:13 AM
Seeing Will with tears in his eyes makes me feel like we lost one of the top QBs in KSU history; and that makes me sad.
.https://x.com/tjax620/status/1729269831743201393?s=20
Damn. It seems like he took one last look because he knew his time here was done. :cry:
Post by: nicname on November 28, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Seeing Will with tears in his eyes makes me feel like we lost one of the top QBs in KSU history; and that makes me sad.
.https://x.com/tjax620/status/1729269831743201393?s=20
Damn. It seems like he took one last look because he knew his time here was done. :cry:
Thanks for the memories, Will. I apologize for saying hurtful things in the game thread.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 28, 2023, 08:07:29 AM
Honestly it would me sad and kind of angry if he went somewhere like Notre Dame or Nebraska or whatever and had the best season of his life. I’m not proud of it, but know thyself and all that.
Notre wouldn't bother me in the least
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2023, 08:19:06 AM
Post by: mocat on November 28, 2023, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 28, 2023, 09:38:47 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2023, 10:02:12 AM
Wasn't his brother a decently rated recruit? I wonder if he's leaving too
Yeah, his brother is still committed. He had offers from us, wvu, Maryland, and Syracuse
Post by: MadCat on November 28, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
I would love if he would stay. He's a big fella
Post by: stunted on November 28, 2023, 10:45:45 AM
Damn. It seems like he took one last look because he knew his time here was done. :cry:
yea. i think it's clearly a business decision and hope he wins the heisman at his next stop.
Post by: chum1 on November 28, 2023, 11:57:30 AM
Post by: williamthewildcat on November 28, 2023, 12:10:49 PM
That run to the Dr Pepper was the thing of dreams. That bullet to RJ Garcia in the CCG shall be forever remembered.
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2023, 12:17:53 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 28, 2023, 12:18:57 PM
Post by: MadCat on November 28, 2023, 12:38:45 PM
Of that list I’d like to see him at WashingtonSame
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 28, 2023, 12:56:02 PM
ngl, outside of the KSU Cats, this is the only college team that I support.Of that list I’d like to see him at WashingtonSame
Post by: mocat on November 28, 2023, 01:00:55 PM
I cringe at the thought of him being coached by someone with as bad a haircut/visor combo as Eli Drinkowitz.
:lol:
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2023, 01:17:12 PM
Post by: doom on November 28, 2023, 01:22:13 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2023, 01:31:48 PM
ngl, outside of the KSU Cats, this is the only college team that I support.Of that list I’d like to see him at WashingtonSame
Same
But for him, I hope he’s picked up by one of the heavyweights and gets a natty
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 28, 2023, 03:21:45 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 29, 2023, 03:37:48 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2023, 03:50:54 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2023, 03:53:17 PM
I agree that Louisville is a good spot. The ACC may be ripe for the taking with FSU the only particularly strong team at the moment. Burden at Mizzou would be a nice weapon for a QB. The only daunting SEC defense on their schedule next year is Bama. I also think he could see what Washington did with a transfer in Penix, although playing Iowa's D, Michigan and Oregon is pretty brutal.
You aren't going to face all of those defenses in any given year in the Big 10 unless you are exceptionally unlucky. You'll play against 2, maybe 3 good defenses and the rest of the schedule will be cupcakes.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2023, 04:10:51 PM
Congrats, Will!
Post by: IPA4Me on November 29, 2023, 06:38:05 PM
https://twitter.com/TheLoyalPurple/status/1730020039674192005
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 29, 2023, 06:52:23 PM
Post by: schreds21 on November 29, 2023, 09:35:35 PM
https://fansided.com/posts/will-howard-transfer-portal-rumors-3-destinations-for-kansas-state-qb-01hg9qs746hf/2
Post by: IPA4Me on November 29, 2023, 09:39:27 PM
Apparent Will is leaving because we aren't good enough for his talents.Lolz.
https://fansided.com/posts/will-howard-transfer-portal-rumors-3-destinations-for-kansas-state-qb-01hg9qs746hf/2
Post by: catastrophe on November 29, 2023, 10:31:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 29, 2023, 10:59:56 PM
the music choice makes no sense
Would've been better if it was My Way by Limp Bizkit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 29, 2023, 11:02:53 PM
Seeing Will with tears in his eyes makes me feel like we lost one of the top QBs in KSU history; and that makes me sad.
.https://x.com/tjax620/status/1729269831743201393?s=20
Damn. It seems like he took one last look because he knew his time here was done. :cry:
That video hurt my heart for all the crap I talked on him during the down moments. He is an undeniable stud in so many ways and I'll always treasure the ride of 2022. Good job Will, thanks for the memories. Forever a great qat. He deserved to go out with a win.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 30, 2023, 07:36:22 AM
Nice tribute video.goosebumps and tears. that is a great vid
https://twitter.com/TheLoyalPurple/status/1730020039674192005
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2023, 08:07:28 AM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 30, 2023, 08:16:45 AM
GO TO NEBRASKA AND MAKE THEM MEDIOCRE AGAIN WILL!
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He should fire his agent if he ends up with the Nubbs
Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2023, 08:22:07 AM
https://twitter.com/247Huskers/status/1729936048384262381
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 30, 2023, 08:39:52 AM
PAY HOWARDWould love to see Will get a $2M check from NU.
https://twitter.com/247Huskers/status/1729936048384262381
Post by: mocat on November 30, 2023, 09:08:52 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2023, 09:26:22 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 30, 2023, 09:56:49 AM
Post by: MadCat on November 30, 2023, 11:42:58 AM
Quote
2. Will Howard, Kansas State
A tough, talented dual-threat who was undervalued the past 2 seasons at Kansas State. How much better can he be in a system more suited to his skill-set?
He had 51 TDs (12 rushing) the past 2 years and completed 60% of his passes for 4,276 yards.
Best fits: Michigan State, Arkansas, Nebraska.
What system would be more suited for his skill set?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 30, 2023, 11:58:18 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 30, 2023, 11:59:16 AM
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/ranking-the-top-10-qbs-already-in-the-transfer-portal/ (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/ranking-the-top-10-qbs-already-in-the-transfer-portal/)One with a widereceiver thats around 6' 6"Quote2. Will Howard, Kansas State
A tough, talented dual-threat who was undervalued the past 2 seasons at Kansas State. How much better can he be in a system more suited to his skill-set?
He had 51 TDs (12 rushing) the past 2 years and completed 60% of his passes for 4,276 yards.
Best fits: Michigan State, Arkansas, Nebraska.
What system would be more suited for his skill set?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 01, 2023, 09:43:50 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2023, 10:00:57 AM
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 01, 2023, 02:34:58 PM
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/ranking-the-top-10-qbs-already-in-the-transfer-portal/ (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/ranking-the-top-10-qbs-already-in-the-transfer-portal/)Quote2. Will Howard, Kansas StateN
A tough, talented dual-threat who was undervalued the past 2 seasons at Kansas State. How much better can he be in a system more suited to his skill-set?
He had 51 TDs (12 rushing) the past 2 years and completed 60% of his passes for 4,276 yards.
Best fits: Michigan State, Arkansas, Nebraska.
What system would be more suited for his skill set?
If he transfers to any of those 3 losers, he's dead to me.
Post by: CNS on December 01, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Post by: CHONGS on December 03, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2023, 10:44:48 AM
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2023, 08:54:05 PM
Wrong Willya I just saw that, close enough
Post by: cfbandyman on December 04, 2023, 09:52:17 PM
PAY HOWARDWould love to see Will get a $2M check from NU.
https://twitter.com/247Huskers/status/1729936048384262381
A 2 mill check from anyone would be fantastic for him and I hope he gets it. Great cat, definitely deserves some bread.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2023, 11:27:50 AM
Wrong Will
Lane Kiffin flew to Manhattan to recruit Will Lee? Wow.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 06, 2023, 09:58:11 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 06, 2023, 11:22:40 AM
Will Howard is the next QB for Texas A&M football. Will come on down on the jet with Collin. They will roll out the red carpet for you. You will never have to touch the tarmac.
Will was very unhappy with how he was used at the mid point of the season, was pretty vocal about it, guessing he isn't going to sprint to Collin
Post by: Katpappy on December 10, 2023, 07:27:51 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
What's this I hear that Lincoln Riley is courting Will.
well I'll be...
https://twitter.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1736752425568981052
Post by: stunted on December 18, 2023, 01:13:56 PM
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2023, 01:14:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 18, 2023, 01:39:24 PM
Post by: CNS on December 18, 2023, 01:56:03 PM
Post by: MadCat on December 18, 2023, 02:02:43 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 18, 2023, 02:57:56 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 18, 2023, 03:04:39 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 18, 2023, 03:54:58 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 18, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
SC fans are not impressed.They're dumb
Post by: wetwillie on December 18, 2023, 04:22:14 PM
SC fans are not impressed.
Twitter fans?
Post by: Pete on December 18, 2023, 04:33:49 PM
Matt Cassel route?What's this I hear that Lincoln Riley is courting Will.
well I'll be...
https://twitter.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1736752425568981052
Post by: Pete on December 18, 2023, 04:34:25 PM
HES GONNA GET LAID A LOTAgreed
Post by: steve dave on December 18, 2023, 04:44:46 PM
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Post by: CNS on December 18, 2023, 04:50:18 PM
Post by: ben ji on December 18, 2023, 05:22:34 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 18, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Avery is gonna put up some Johnny Football dual threat numbers while Will throws for a bagillion yards and they will do an adorable fist bump in NYC next December as Heisman finalists.
While Klein wonders if his buyout is air tight after Aggie goes 5-7
Post by: catastrophe on December 18, 2023, 06:19:39 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 18, 2023, 10:29:09 PM
Avery is gonna put up some Johnny Football dual threat numbers while Will throws for a bagillion yards and they will do an adorable fist bump in NYC next December as Heisman finalists.
It would be amazing if Avery could do as much as Will, due to the number of elite athletes USC has vs our above-average guys. Like Phil Bennet said some years back, you can't expect to win if you don't have the Jimmies and Joes to do it.
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Post by: CHONGS on December 19, 2023, 01:26:17 PM
Post by: Winters on December 19, 2023, 03:14:10 PM
Cats v Trojans part III for all the marbles?Seems inevitable
Post by: Pete on December 28, 2023, 07:40:54 AM
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Post by: CHONGS on January 04, 2024, 05:51:34 PM
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2024, 05:58:42 PM
The Ohio State is getting a good one. Should be the clear favorites in the weak Big 10.
Is it for sure? I just read an article on Will visiting "in the future" and that he has already visited USC and Miami. It also noted that he is still considering possibly declaring for the draft.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 04, 2024, 06:10:02 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1743053384565817526?t=iEiApafchKwIR4MOL8Y5xg&s=19The Ohio State is getting a good one. Should be the clear favorites in the weak Big 10.
Is it for sure? I just read an article on Will visiting "in the future" and that he has already visited USC and Miami. It also noted that he is still considering possibly declaring for the draft.
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2024, 06:11:25 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 04, 2024, 06:21:47 PM
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Post by: Stevesie60 on January 04, 2024, 06:38:33 PM
*not a reference to Skylar Thompson
Post by: CHONGS on January 04, 2024, 06:42:36 PM
Post by: ben ji on January 04, 2024, 07:00:18 PM
Nothing but love for Will and I'm excited to watch him sling it to 5 star WR's next year. tOSU has a pretty weak schedule as well. Their biggest OOC game is MARSHALL and their only tough games are @Oregon, @Penn State and Michigan at home (who loses alot).
Post by: ben ji on January 04, 2024, 07:01:05 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 04, 2024, 07:57:21 PM
What if we play tOSU in the playoffs next year and activate sleeper agent Will?!?
I believe Will would Sean Snyder it up if that scenario came to fruition
Post by: Pete on January 04, 2024, 08:35:10 PM
Post by: Pete on January 04, 2024, 08:37:43 PM
Post by: ben ji on January 04, 2024, 08:52:04 PM
“Thank You God” was a little over the top. You can lose to Mizzou here too, bro.Haters gonna hate hate hate hate and the players gonna play play play play play
Post by: pissclams on January 04, 2024, 08:55:44 PM
1) size
2) speed
3) howitzer for an arm
4) intelligence
5) boy next door good looks
6) the “it” factor
7) the “x” factor
8 ) a little je ne sais quoi
9) leadership
10) discipline
11) optimism
12) resilience
13) emotional intelligence
14) determination
15) humility
16) adaptability
17) mental toughness
18) passion
19) focus
20) coachability
among other things. do you agree with me or not.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 05, 2024, 01:26:56 AM
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Post by: Katpappy on January 05, 2024, 04:03:52 AM
Post by: Pete on January 05, 2024, 07:38:35 AM
Post by: KSNimrod on January 05, 2024, 07:51:46 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 05, 2024, 09:07:30 AM
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
Post by: CNS on January 05, 2024, 09:10:31 AM
Yeah I’m excited to have a reason not to be annoyed whenever a stupid Big 10 game comes on.
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
I am excited to hear about his NIL. If he indeed had USC, Miami, and tOSU all on the line, I bet he got something good.
Post by: deputy dawg on January 05, 2024, 09:15:05 AM
What if we play tOSU in the playoffs next year and activate sleeper agent Will?!?
I believe Will wouldSean SnyderCheyenne Zulu it up if that scenario came to fruition
Post by: catastrophe on January 05, 2024, 09:58:34 AM
I haven’t heard anything either way, but I doubt NIL was that much of a factor. tOSU clearly gives Will the best shot at increasing his NFL draft stock. Aside from a soft Big 10 schedule and playing at easily the highest profile school of the three, Will said a big part of his decision was the pro-style offense tOSU plays.Yeah I’m excited to have a reason not to be annoyed whenever a stupid Big 10 game comes on.
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
I am excited to hear about his NIL. If he indeed had USC, Miami, and tOSU all on the line, I bet he got something good.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 05, 2024, 11:12:52 AM
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Post by: Pete on January 05, 2024, 12:42:41 PM
I rough ridin' hate The Ohio State University but I'm willing to set aside my hatred for one season only if it means Will gets to ball out.Agree
Post by: nicname on January 05, 2024, 01:02:09 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on January 05, 2024, 03:43:04 PM
They only have 3 games on the schedule that are contested imo. Even go 1-2 against Oregon, PSU, Michigan and they are in the playoff.
It would be max fun if they had to play us on our field. :billdance:
Post by: puniraptor on January 05, 2024, 03:50:40 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on January 05, 2024, 05:28:36 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 05, 2024, 05:39:47 PM
Will definitely has a better shot at #2 than Avery has at #1. But if I had to place $100 on either, give me Avery at those odds.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 05, 2024, 09:34:03 PM
I haven’t heard anything either way, but I doubt NIL was that much of a factor. tOSU clearly gives Will the best shot at increasing his NFL draft stock. Aside from a soft Big 10 schedule and playing at easily the highest profile school of the three, Will said a big part of his decision was the pro-style offense tOSU plays.Yeah I’m excited to have a reason not to be annoyed whenever a stupid Big 10 game comes on.
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
I am excited to hear about his NIL. If he indeed had USC, Miami, and tOSU all on the line, I bet he got something good.
NIL was absolutely a factor, it's why Miami missed on all of their targets. I've been skeptical about reported NIL figures but using quotes from Ryan Day and Matt Rhule about NIL, and the teams that Will chose between, it's fair to say he's getting around $1 million. Also worth pointing out that he did get a Senior Bowl invite, those, especially for QBs, only go to pro prospects and are picked by NFL scouts.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 05, 2024, 09:36:19 PM
The hate on KSO for Howard is troubling.
A hardo contest. Clutts insisting that Will is fat is absolutely hilarious.
Post by: Katpappy on January 05, 2024, 10:40:12 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 05, 2024, 11:45:14 PM
If he’s getting $1 million at tOSU, how far off could Miami or USC have missed? $500k? I just find it hard to believe that an NFL prospect as smart as Will would take $500k this year if it could cost him even a round of NFL draft stock.I haven’t heard anything either way, but I doubt NIL was that much of a factor. tOSU clearly gives Will the best shot at increasing his NFL draft stock. Aside from a soft Big 10 schedule and playing at easily the highest profile school of the three, Will said a big part of his decision was the pro-style offense tOSU plays.Yeah I’m excited to have a reason not to be annoyed whenever a stupid Big 10 game comes on.
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
I am excited to hear about his NIL. If he indeed had USC, Miami, and tOSU all on the line, I bet he got something good.
NIL was absolutely a factor, it's why Miami missed on all of their targets. I've been skeptical about reported NIL figures but using quotes from Ryan Day and Matt Rhule about NIL, and the teams that Will chose between, it's fair to say he's getting around $1 million. Also worth pointing out that he did get a Senior Bowl invite, those, especially for QBs, only go to pro prospects and are picked by NFL scouts.
Post by: Katpappy on January 06, 2024, 08:20:01 AM
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2024, 09:29:26 AM
I haven’t heard anything either way, but I doubt NIL was that much of a factor. tOSU clearly gives Will the best shot at increasing his NFL draft stock. Aside from a soft Big 10 schedule and playing at easily the highest profile school of the three, Will said a big part of his decision was the pro-style offense tOSU plays.Yeah I’m excited to have a reason not to be annoyed whenever a stupid Big 10 game comes on.
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
I am excited to hear about his NIL. If he indeed had USC, Miami, and tOSU all on the line, I bet he got something good.
NIL was absolutely a factor, it's why Miami missed on all of their targets. I've been skeptical about reported NIL figures but using quotes from Ryan Day and Matt Rhule about NIL, and the teams that Will chose between, it's fair to say he's getting around $1 million. Also worth pointing out that he did get a Senior Bowl invite, those, especially for QBs, only go to pro prospects and are picked by NFL scouts.
If Will gets $1m, I am very happy for him.
However, from the one interview posted here from Rhule, it sounds like $1m is fire sale price for a good QB at a good program. I hope Will is getting something more.
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2024, 09:39:41 AM
I really like this post.I don’t know which annoy me more. The people going after Will on social media after bad games or the people who act like those people somehow drove Will off the team.
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
Post by: pissclams on January 06, 2024, 09:49:44 AM
I wouldn’t let any of it annoy you. none of it is real and none of it matters.I really like this post.I don’t know which annoy me more. The people going after Will on social media after bad games or the people who act like those people somehow drove Will off the team.
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
Post by: michigancat on January 06, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
I really like this post.I don’t know which annoy me more. The people going after Will on social media after bad games or the people who act like those people somehow drove Will off the team.
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
For me it's the people that never let him be anything but the QB that fumbled away a home game against OSU and got spanked at Iowa State when he should have been redshirting.
People should just accept him for what he was and move on: he was an incredibly unprepared terrible quarterback who evolved into a very solid one and won us some great games and a Dr Pepper along the way and happens to have a superstar waiting in the wings. How any KSU fan could begrudge him in any way is beyond me.
I don't know who is acting like KSU fans ran Will off but there are definitely plenty of fans who are very loud and very dumb when it comes to him.
Post by: michigancat on January 06, 2024, 09:55:00 AM
This alsoI wouldn’t let any of it annoy you. none of it is real and none of it matters.I really like this post.I don’t know which annoy me more. The people going after Will on social media after bad games or the people who act like those people somehow drove Will off the team.
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2024, 10:07:03 AM
I really like this post.I don’t know which annoy me more. The people going after Will on social media after bad games or the people who act like those people somehow drove Will off the team.
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
For me it's the people that never let him be anything but the QB that fumbled away a home game against OSU and got spanked at Iowa State when he should have been redshirting.
People should just accept him for what he was and move on: he was an incredibly unprepared terrible quarterback who evolved into a very solid one and won us some great games and a Dr Pepper along the way and happens to have a superstar waiting in the wings. How any KSU fan could begrudge him in any way is beyond me.
This is exactly why I love non-pro sports. I love the growth, constant change, and the finding a way to win. People that don’t like this may not realize it, but they don’t like college sports, they just like the my team/your team stuff.
Post by: Katpappy on January 06, 2024, 10:56:28 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 06, 2024, 11:00:46 AM
Post by: nicname on January 06, 2024, 11:31:37 AM
I really like this post.I don’t know which annoy me more. The people going after Will on social media after bad games or the people who act like those people somehow drove Will off the team.
https://x.com/Ksulawyer/status/1743060116365062611?s=20
For me it's the people that never let him be anything but the QB that fumbled away a home game against OSU and got spanked at Iowa State when he should have been redshirting.
People should just accept him for what he was and move on: he was an incredibly unprepared terrible quarterback who evolved into a very solid one and won us some great games and a Dr Pepper along the way and happens to have a superstar waiting in the wings. How any KSU fan could begrudge him in any way is beyond me.
This is exactly why I love non-pro sports. I love the growth, constant change, and the finding a way to win. People that don’t like this may not realize it, but they don’t like college sports, they just like the my team/your team stuff.
Well said.
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 06, 2024, 11:40:38 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2024, 12:40:34 PM
Of course, if he went pro today there is always the chance of a Brock Purdy situation.
Post by: CHONGS on January 06, 2024, 01:07:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 06, 2024, 01:21:58 PM
Who was the last starting QB for Ohio State who didn't get drafted?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._T._Barrett
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2024, 01:53:15 PM
I haven’t heard anything either way, but I doubt NIL was that much of a factor. tOSU clearly gives Will the best shot at increasing his NFL draft stock. Aside from a soft Big 10 schedule and playing at easily the highest profile school of the three, Will said a big part of his decision was the pro-style offense tOSU plays.Yeah I’m excited to have a reason not to be annoyed whenever a stupid Big 10 game comes on.
And Will is fine. He did the absolute smartest thing he could in the situation he was in. I hope he kicks ass.
I am excited to hear about his NIL. If he indeed had USC, Miami, and tOSU all on the line, I bet he got something good.
NIL was absolutely a factor, it's why Miami missed on all of their targets. I've been skeptical about reported NIL figures but using quotes from Ryan Day and Matt Rhule about NIL, and the teams that Will chose between, it's fair to say he's getting around $1 million. Also worth pointing out that he did get a Senior Bowl invite, those, especially for QBs, only go to pro prospects and are picked by NFL scouts.
If Will gets $1m, I am very happy for him.
However, from the one interview posted here from Rhule, it sounds like $1m is fire sale price for a good QB at a good program. I hope Will is getting something more.
He's getting more, I was being conservative.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2024, 01:56:14 PM
To be fair, if he gets drafted to be a starting QB, it will be because of his time at tOSU.
He's considered an NFL prospect today. He got a senior bowl invite before he even visited Ohio State.
Post by: stunted on January 06, 2024, 02:03:54 PM
is it really any different to oscar? he gave us so much. big 12's, an elite 8. but yet many downgrade ksu fans couldn't help but hate on him after ending on a bad note. but not me. will always appreciate what he brought for us.
Post by: DQ12 on January 06, 2024, 02:15:40 PM
He’s dead to me. Will WHO?ward more like
Post by: michigancat on January 06, 2024, 02:22:21 PM
let's be real. he definitely should have won us the mizzou and osu games. so i can see the frustration after such high expectations. but overall it's dumb to hate on him.
He was injured, at least for Mizzou
Post by: stunted on January 06, 2024, 02:49:56 PM
But also turns out Mizzou wasn’t a bunch of scrubs
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2024, 02:55:57 PM
Post by: Pete on January 06, 2024, 04:26:17 PM
Maybe injured in his rough ridin' brain to throw that pick 6 in his own territory 30 seconds before the end of the first half.let's be real. he definitely should have won us the mizzou and osu games. so i can see the frustration after such high expectations. but overall it's dumb to hate on him.
He was injured, at least for Mizzou
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2024, 04:32:32 PM
So did Skylar. He was not drafted to be a starting QB. Hell he basically had to pre-season his way to a roster spot.To be fair, if he gets drafted to be a starting QB, it will be because of his time at tOSU.
He's considered an NFL prospect today. He got a senior bowl invite before he even visited Ohio State.
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2024, 04:36:32 PM
Honestly we were one bad play away from winning the Mizzou, OSU, and UT games. Will was arguably responsible for at least two of those, but again it’s literally like 2-3 plays that made the difference between being a forever legend and a really good QB who had one amazing season.Maybe injured in his rough ridin' brain to throw that pick 6 in his own territory 30 seconds before the end of the first half.let's be real. he definitely should have won us the mizzou and osu games. so i can see the frustration after such high expectations. but overall it's dumb to hate on him.
He was injured, at least for Mizzou
Post by: Pete on January 06, 2024, 04:41:14 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 06, 2024, 05:45:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 06, 2024, 05:49:16 PM
OSU fans are going to eat him alive (IF he wins the starting job)
I don't think they will because they didn't see him as a freshman and he will do a very good job
Post by: Pete on January 06, 2024, 06:44:36 PM
He’s a head scratcher interception guy.OSU fans are going to eat him alive (IF he wins the starting job)
I don't think they will because they didn't see him as a freshman and he will do a very good job
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2024, 08:33:24 PM
So did Skylar. He was not drafted to be a starting QB. Hell he basically had to pre-season his way to a roster spot.To be fair, if he gets drafted to be a starting QB, it will be because of his time at tOSU.
He's considered an NFL prospect today. He got a senior bowl invite before he even visited Ohio State.
I missed the "to be a starting QB" part he's not going to be drafted to be a starting QB, there's like one maybe two of those guys each draft.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2024, 08:36:14 PM
So was Mizzou’s guy though!
But also turns out Mizzou wasn’t a bunch of scrubs
We lost that Missouri game because the coaches made/let Will play hurt instead of giving Avery a real chance to win that game. Neither Avery or Will had any business playing a single snap hurt.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2024, 08:48:31 PM
He’s a head scratcher interception guy.OSU fans are going to eat him alive (IF he wins the starting job)
I don't think they will because they didn't see him as a freshman and he will do a very good job
He doesn't throw a lot of picks. There last two seasons he throws one interception for every 40 passes thrown, only Dillon Gabriel was better in the Big 12. Needless to say that Gabriel had much better receivers, particularly this season.
Post by: stunted on January 07, 2024, 03:32:56 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2024, 07:29:37 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2024, 11:53:29 AM
it is pretty funny though that osu thinks they're getting a dual threat qb
I mean he is. You don't have to run a 4.4 to be a run threat as a QB. He's got 19 rushing touchdowns in essentially 2 and a half seasons of starts. Only Braxton Miller and JT Barrett have more rushing TDs from the QB position at Ohio State. Will has more rushing touchdowns than Terrelle Pryor, of fewer starts.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2024, 11:59:53 AM
My solitary Will Howard take is that if you measured him on a true freshman curve, he was actually very good as a true freshman.
Hell yeah, considering he had to play without the benefit of spring football or "fall" camp. Practice started when he got on campus, which was two weeks before the first game. You'd absolutely have to think he didn't even go into those first couple of games as the backup. Dude was probably getting scout team reps just a couple of weeks before starting.
Post by: stunted on January 07, 2024, 01:48:05 PM
it is pretty funny though that osu thinks they're getting a dual threat qb
I mean he is. You don't have to run a 4.4 to be a run threat as a QB. He's got 19 rushing touchdowns in essentially 2 and a half seasons of starts. Only Braxton Miller and JT Barrett have more rushing TDs from the QB position at Ohio State. Will has more rushing touchdowns than Terrelle Pryor, of fewer starts.
you know what it's kind of hard to say. he's slow at least when accelerating but it got results. outside of ksu's system though i dunno how effective he would be. he rarely made plays with his feet when passing broke down.
Post by: stunted on January 07, 2024, 02:20:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/evmKzaP.jpeg)
Post by: mocat on January 07, 2024, 02:53:42 PM
Post by: Trim on January 07, 2024, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2024, 09:18:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/1744062395293852158
Wilbon had it right, sure there's going to be pressure but who gives a crap. The talking point that he didn't have pressure here is so unbelievably stupid and it's only pushed by people who are just pretending that K-State fans are a bunch of bumpkins.
There's a message board post, right there, two posts down, calling him a fat tight end. A rough ridin' big 12 champion. When Sinnott stood up for him, Derek Young said that he knows that Will, players, and their parents get threatening DMs after bad games. Y'all think it matters that more people are going to call him names on social media and message boards? He's dealt with that crap for four years now. "Will Howard is a fat piece of crap and his bitch mom must have been drinking when she was pregnant with him. He'll never be able to hold up a Ohio State, they're going to be super mean to him."
This whole thing might be one of the dumbest talking points in the K-State sports Internet age and I hate the eff out of it.
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2024, 09:56:43 PM
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Post by: DQ12 on January 07, 2024, 10:10:42 PM
It was a crummy situation for him, but Will was not good his freshman year. We asked him to do almost nothing, and he still found astonishing ways to turn the ball over. Whatever “curve” we’re now grading him on must be unbelievably low.My solitary Will Howard take is that if you measured him on a true freshman curve, he was actually very good as a true freshman.
Hell yeah, considering he had to play without the benefit of spring football or "fall" camp. Practice started when he got on campus, which was two weeks before the first game. You'd absolutely have to think he didn't even go into those first couple of games as the backup. Dude was probably getting scout team reps just a couple of weeks before starting.
What’s wild is I think he was worse the following year. By the end of 2021, I wanted him out. Gone from the program, off our roster. Prior to that, I’d been extremely patient regarding him. But hand up - he eventually lost me (before winning me back against TCU/OSU last year).
He turned out to be pretty darn good for us, which was absolutely incredible. I’ve never seen any player go from awful to good over the course of his career like Will did. But this revisionist stuff of “he was actually good” at any time before 2022 is crazy to read now. We had training wheels on for him in ‘20 and ‘21 and he was still an enormous liability just trying to handle snaps.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2024, 10:17:27 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 07, 2024, 10:42:21 PM
Yeah, you're right. I'm not claiming he was good, I just think people should have then and now given him more grace given the situation. The two most frustrated times I've been as a fan were the OSU game his freshman year, when he fumbled the win away, and the UT game his sophomore year when he couldn't put his right foot in front of his left and he and Mess combined to completely bone Deuce and the rest of the offense.I was rereading the early pages of this thread just now, which is fun to do now that we know the whole story.
We were all “hey he’s a little rough but this kid may have something!” up until the WVU game. Then we all instantly hated him, and hated him more and more pretty much until the 2022 TCU game where he came in and had probably the best performance of his career.
Again, tough situation for him (especially in 2020 - FAR less so in ‘21), but it’s hard to imagine a curve low enough to say he was “good.”
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2024, 11:02:12 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 07, 2024, 11:06:14 PM
How many true freshmen could have done better in his place that season? I say very, very few. He was good as a true freshman.He wasn’t just “not good, even for a freshman.” He was almost unbelievably bad. Like it was difficult to believe any human could be so bad at being a quarterback.
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2024, 11:21:03 PM
How many true freshmen could have done better in his place that season? I say very, very few. He was good as a true freshman.He wasn’t just “not good, even for a freshman.” He was almost unbelievably bad. Like it was difficult to believe any human could be so bad at being a quarterback.
That response is not a long list of people who would have been better, is it?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2024, 01:29:58 AM
How many true freshmen could have done better in his place that season? I say very, very few. He was good as a true freshman.He wasn’t just “not good, even for a freshman.” He was almost unbelievably bad. Like it was difficult to believe any human could be so bad at being a quarterback.
That response is not a long list of people who would have been better, is it?
At one time I went back and looked at this and he did have the best numbers of any true freshman who played P5 football in 2020. IIRC, it wasn't really close either, there weren't a lot of true freshmen getting snaps in 2020.
FWIW, I do believe Avery is statically the best true freshman who got playing time this year
Post by: stunted on January 08, 2024, 06:43:23 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2024, 06:57:03 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 08, 2024, 09:14:38 AM
The great thing for Will is that there’s always a chance those issues get fixed/go away in his final year. If he crushes it at tOSU and gets some Heisman buzz, it wouldn’t be an indictment on KSU at all but just a really amazing story of self improvement.
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2024, 09:33:14 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 08, 2024, 09:33:41 AM
What’s wild is I think he was worse the following year.
I think the remarkable thing about Will is he seemed to show very little improvement until he just went gangbusters in 2022.
I think these criticisms are much more fair and reasonable than saying he wasn't good for a true freshman.
Post by: DQ12 on January 08, 2024, 09:58:31 AM
Like, in the history of the game of football? A lot?How many true freshmen could have done better in his place that season? I say very, very few. He was good as a true freshman.He wasn’t just “not good, even for a freshman.” He was almost unbelievably bad. Like it was difficult to believe any human could be so bad at being a quarterback.
That response is not a long list of people who would have been better, is it?
I get hardly any true freshman are asked to play meaningful snaps at QB (though a lot more are doing it a lot more). But in 2020 alone, Michael Pratt, Jeff Sims (then at GT), Max Johnson (then at LSU), DJU, Harrison Bailey of Tennessee, Ken Seals of Vandy. Avery was "good" this year. Howard was not in 2020.
I'm being too hard on him by saying he was unbelievably bad in 2020. He really wasn't. But he was a major liability on an otherwise decent team. And even for a true freshman, he was not "good." We asked very little of him most of the time: hand it off; dump it to deuce/jax in the flat; throw a 3-8 yard curl or drag to knowles/brookes/Bebe; run; don't turn it over. He could only do things 1-4 a a reasonable clip (though 50% completion when those are the vast majority of the routes isn't "good" by any standard). When we asked him to throw downfield, it was almost always a big problem (save for a few...the TD pass to knowles in the KU game was the bright spot of his season imo). When we relied on him to run, it was extremely risky - see the end of the OSU game. He did have "flashes" at times where you could see there may be something there, but they were extremely few and far between -- you can lay that at the feet of Mess or Howard, but there was very little "sizzle" to make up for the very frequent mistakes.
After 2020, plenty of people (including myself) had the view of: OK, Will was understandably not ready last year, but he may turn into something someday. By the end of 2021, the narrative (at least my view) changed from "ok, last year apparently wasn't a flukey thing. This guy does not have it." Following each of his first two years in the program (each of which included a LOT of Will Howard), I never thought "this guy is our future."
He certainly took a lot of snaps for us 2020. Beyond that, I don't know how you can say he was "good."
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2024, 10:01:17 AM
Just for my own understanding, is the entire "Will is soft" narrative based on that one tweet from his TE?
Post by: 'taterblast on January 08, 2024, 10:01:41 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on January 08, 2024, 10:02:14 AM
Just for my own understanding, is the entire "Will is soft" narrative based on that one tweet from his TE?
was it a tweet or a post game interview? (both?)
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2024, 10:07:49 AM
Just for my own understanding, is the entire "Will is soft" narrative based on that one tweet from his TE?
was it a tweet or a post game interview? (both?)
not sure
Post by: chum1 on January 08, 2024, 10:14:27 AM
Like, in the history of the game of football? A lot?How many true freshmen could have done better in his place that season? I say very, very few. He was good as a true freshman.He wasn’t just “not good, even for a freshman.” He was almost unbelievably bad. Like it was difficult to believe any human could be so bad at being a quarterback.
That response is not a long list of people who would have been better, is it?
I get hardly any true freshman are asked to play meaningful snaps at QB (though a lot more are doing it a lot more). But in 2020 alone, Michael Pratt, Jeff Sims (then at GT), Max Johnson (then at LSU), DJU, Harrison Bailey of Tennessee, Ken Seals of Vandy. Avery was "good" this year. Howard was not in 2020.
Even for a true freshman, he was not "good."
I agree that he doesn't compare with the top 1% of true freshman. Here's what I mean. Imagine you take every true freshman from every team in the country and have them play as much as Howard did as a true freshman. Where does Howard rank on that list?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2024, 10:21:10 AM
Just for my own understanding, is the entire "Will is soft" narrative based on that one tweet from his TE?
was it a tweet or a post game interview? (both?)
not sure
It was a post game interview in which Sinnott discussed criticism on social media and other places. It kind of blew up then but it existed in other places. The Sinnott soundbite gave those who had been critical license to be even louder, "see I told you he was soft." The most laughable take are the people who think that Howard put Sinnott up to making the quote.
Post by: catastrophe on January 08, 2024, 10:23:08 AM
Post by: DQ12 on January 08, 2024, 10:31:37 AM
What is even the point of focusing on his freshman year? I think we can all agree that even if you totally ignore Will’s first season, he was not good the following season. If you’re suggesting the freshman year ruined his confidence, it doesn’t explain how good he played in 2022. And if you think he is viewed unfairly because of a slow start then it doesn’t really explain the apparent regression for stretches in 2023.We're only talking about it because Chum made a bold statement that he was "good" his freshman year. It was an interesting statement that we have some more perspective on at this point, so I thought it was worth talking about.
Calling Howard "soft" is obviously crazy. That guy heard unreal amounts of criticism throughout his career -- especially prior to '22. That he stuck around and was ready to go in the back half of 2022 tells you all you need to know about whether he can handle criticism from a fanbase.
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2024, 10:48:23 AM
Post by: DQ12 on January 08, 2024, 11:02:52 AM
I would guess most of Will's "regression" in 2023 could be explained by not having DeuceAbsolutely. And the inverse of that is that part of why Will looked so good in 2022 is because of Deuce.
Post by: chum1 on January 08, 2024, 11:06:19 AM
What is even the point of focusing on his freshman year?
I think recognizing that he was good at one point in time clears up some of the "nobody could have seen it coming/Howard came out of nowhere" stuff people say.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 08, 2024, 11:06:53 AM
I certainly agree that Deuce being gone allowed defenses to play us differently too.
Post by: pissclams on January 08, 2024, 11:43:12 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 08, 2024, 11:44:24 AM
Just for my own understanding, is the entire "Will is soft" narrative based on that one tweet from his TE?
I think most of it is based on the drinking problems a certain doughy segment of our fanbase struggles with.
Post by: PurpleOil on January 08, 2024, 12:04:22 PM
2020 was a crap year for everyone, and with half our team out at any given point I was disappointed, but not upset with how Will played. He had very little time in the program, lots of distractions going on around him and the program, and a fair amount of volatility.
2021 was quite an upsetting year. Between his turnovers, his concrete feet, and almost always overthrowing receivers and costing us downs, I was completely sure that Howard was not a D1 quarterback. I'm fairly certain I even came in here and said as much. The only redeeming thing that came out of that season was a bowl win and us firing Messingham after the disaster that was the Texas game. I was also completely sure that when Martinez went down in 2022 that our season was over. Howard had shown next to no improvement (in my opinion) between his freshman and sophomore years so...
I'm thankful that I was wrong.
All in all, I think Howard was an above average quarterback that, when surrounded by the right tools, can really shine. I don't think he'll end up being one of the greats though who's able to take the team on his shoulders and go on to victory. We'll always have the Dr. Pepper though.
Post by: stunted on January 08, 2024, 12:07:29 PM
Post by: stunted on January 08, 2024, 12:08:53 PM
I would guess most of Will's "regression" in 2023 could be explained by not having Deuce
Giddens is a future nfl back
Post by: Pete on January 08, 2024, 04:26:36 PM
have you guys figured out how good will howard is yet?
Nope. Good news is that we have another team to watch next year in order to find out! Unless he doesn't win the starting job, in which case the debate will continue.
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2024, 07:37:04 PM
have you guys figured out how good will howard is yet?
He's a much better than average QB who made remarkable progress in our program. Howevertheless, he lacks the magic of a superstar that his successor appears to have.
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2024, 07:53:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2024, 11:02:38 PM
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1744574402891583789
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2024, 11:44:18 PM
Post by: Boakai on January 21, 2024, 04:52:40 PM
Former Alabama quarterback Julian Sayin, ESPN's top quarterback recruit in the 2024 class, is transferring to Ohio State, he told ESPN on Sunday.
Sayin entered the NCAA transfer portal Friday in the wake of Nick Saban's retirement from Alabama. He is ESPN's No. 3 overall prospect in the Class of 2024 and the top offensive prospect in his recruiting class.
He plans to enroll at Ohio State soon and will participate in the Buckeyes' spring practice. Sayin left Alabama after enrolling there in early January. Saban retired soon after Sayin's arrival.
"Incredibly excited to join the team here at Ohio State," Sayin told ESPN on Sunday. "I held this program in high regard throughout my entire recruiting process and am looking forward to learning from some of the most talented players and coaches in college football and contributing to our team's success."
Sayin has experience with the Ohio State staff and a relationship with new Buckeyes coordinator and quarterbacks coach Bill O'Brien from his high school recruiting process. O'Brien had been part of Sayin's early recruitment to Alabama. (O'Brien left for the Patriots for the 2023 season before getting hired at Ohio State last week.)
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39357008/former-alabama-qb-julian-sayin-transfer-ohio-state (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39357008/former-alabama-qb-julian-sayin-transfer-ohio-state)
Post by: Pete on January 21, 2024, 05:10:24 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 21, 2024, 05:10:35 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 21, 2024, 05:14:32 PM
Translation: Will has nothing to be worried about
Post by: wetwillie on January 21, 2024, 05:35:51 PM
Post by: Pete on January 21, 2024, 07:09:44 PM
Post by: waks on January 21, 2024, 09:06:32 PM
If 5th year Will can't beat out a kid who has literally never taken a college snap then he was never going to make the NFL. I'd still put him as the heavy favorite to be the starter in 24Didn't he leave K-State because he couldn't beat out a kid who had only taken a few...?
Post by: Pete on January 21, 2024, 09:44:55 PM
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/WAMrwrBKehWEPc7Ko0/giphy.gif)If 5th year Will can't beat out a kid who has literally never taken a college snap then he was never going to make the NFL. I'd still put him as the heavy favorite to be the starter in 24Didn't he leave K-State because he couldn't beat out a kid who had only taken a few...?
Post by: wetwillie on January 21, 2024, 10:08:09 PM
If 5th year Will can't beat out a kid who has literally never taken a college snap then he was never going to make the NFL. I'd still put him as the heavy favorite to be the starter in 24Didn't he leave K-State because he couldn't beat out a kid who had only taken a few...?
He beat him out all of 2023 and he will do the same to this kid. If Sayin starts at tOSU from day 1 in the current state of Ryan Days tenure he might be the second coming of Mahomes.
Post by: ben ji on January 23, 2024, 08:47:56 AM
50-1 for Avery
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1749800366894711146?t=FVloZENmBtM4LF4ZCtVMLQ&s=19
Post by: cfbandyman on January 23, 2024, 08:49:49 AM
12-1 odds for Howard to win the Heisman
50-1 for Avery
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1749800366894711146?t=FVloZENmBtM4LF4ZCtVMLQ&s=19
Goddamn, that's way better than I expected for either (Will and Avery)
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2024, 11:44:50 AM
Post by: CNS on January 23, 2024, 12:53:53 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2024, 01:12:04 PM
CK is either going to look like a genius or a moron.
He's going to look great, regardless. Ohio State is loaded, so if Will gets the starting nod, he's probably at least getting invited to the ceremony. That doesn't happen if Will stays at K-State.
Post by: PurpleOil on January 23, 2024, 01:39:39 PM
Post by: CNS on January 23, 2024, 01:40:42 PM
How cool would it be if both Howard and Avery were invited and sat next to each other at the ceremony!?!?!?
If that happened, we probably went undefeated in conf and made the playoffs. If that happens, we may not be able to afford to keep the gang together.
Post by: PurpleOil on January 23, 2024, 01:43:16 PM
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Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2024, 02:20:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 04, 2024, 02:31:35 PM
Post by: ben ji on February 04, 2024, 04:47:54 PM
"Hey Braden, set the bots to work on some message boards today"
"Cool idea Cantilever, anything in particular?"
"Let's see how it does talking about Will Howard, new QB at OSU"
"No cap, great idea"
Post by: MadCat on April 01, 2024, 12:08:35 PM
Will completing some kind of rite of passage or something
Post by: Boakai on April 01, 2024, 12:48:02 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/03/146414/kansas-state-transfer-will-howard-sheds-black-stripe-after-eight-practices-with-the-buckeyes (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/03/146414/kansas-state-transfer-will-howard-sheds-black-stripe-after-eight-practices-with-the-buckeyes)
Will completing some kind of rite of passage or something
Post by: pissclams on April 01, 2024, 02:11:40 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/03/146414/kansas-state-transfer-will-howard-sheds-black-stripe-after-eight-practices-with-the-buckeyes (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/03/146414/kansas-state-transfer-will-howard-sheds-black-stripe-after-eight-practices-with-the-buckeyes)yikes, man, it’s “block o”
Will completing some kind of rite of passage or something
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/JTzPN5kkobFv7X0zPJ/giphy.gif)