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Title: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
My verdict?

NOT BAD!!!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 04, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
how's his scrambling ability? i missed most of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 04, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
I thought he did a great job under the circumstances.  Wasn’t perfect, but he really didn’t make any bad mistakes.  Put the balls in catchable spots.  The Weber and Deuce back to back drops weren’t perfect throws, but both should have been caught.  Needs to keep his eyes downfield on scrambles, but that’s to be expected at his age.

He’s less mobile than I expected, but he seems like he could be a Klein-esque bruiser with some more time. 

Right now, he’s nowhere near as good as Skylar.  Encouraged about his future. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
I thought he did a great job under the circumstances.  Wasn’t perfect, but he really didn’t make any bad mistakes.  Put the balls in catchable spots.  The Weber and Deuce back to back drops weren’t perfect throws, but both should have been caught.  Needs to keep his eyes downfield on scrambles, but that’s to be expected at his age.

He’s less mobile than I expected, but he seems like he could be a Klein-esque bruiser with some more time. 

Right now, he’s nowhere near as good as Skylar.  Encouraged about his future. 

agree with all of that! Most kids who are 6-4 230 at age 18 or 19 probably aren't going to super nimble.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 04, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 11:34:50 AM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on October 04, 2020, 11:40:33 AM
Howard played well, didn't make any huge freshman mistakes that killed us. Depending on how long Skylar is out it will be interesting to see how well he does after practicing with the 1's all week and having a game plan built for him.

I am already excited for the QB Competition next year between Howard and Rubley.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 11:46:08 AM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.

Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.

Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!

Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 04, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
I would think rubles has to have a better arm in terms of strength. Howard looked fine but his release looked weird and he looked way less natural throwing it then the tech backup did.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
I would think rubles has to have a better arm in terms of strength. Howard looked fine but his release looked weird and he looked way less natural throwing it then the tech backup did.
To be fair the Tech backup is a redshirt junior
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
I was decently impressed. He has a lot of poise and made some big time throws (even if shorter throws) in big 3rd down situations. He only had 1 questionable decision on a sideline throw but had the foresight to overthrow everyone, I think if he was trying to do what he wanted to do it'd been a pick.

Overall, a pretty good performance for the situation. Agreed he's fairly lethargic moving, he looked in slow mo on a few attempts to escape the pocket. He's definitely pretty serviceable and should improve with getting more snaps. He had that one throw to Duece where Duece got hung out to dry (but he caught it cause Duece is amazing) but I was surprised he made the throw in that it was in traffic, that is some balls.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 01:14:09 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.

Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.

Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!

Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back

Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Yup.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 04, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.

Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.

Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!

Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back

Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.

Nobody was talking about Grant Gregory ITT
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 01:57:46 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.

Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.

Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!

Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back

Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.

Nobody was talking about Grant Gregory ITT

He got hurt once and played through it, Skylar is in his fifth year of getting the crap beat out of him.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 02:04:12 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m not convinced either would be a better option than another year of a healthy Thompson in 2021. He’ll always have arm limitations, but his running ability makes up for a lot of that, and is arguably more important for Mess’s offense in the B12. His pocket presence this season has been night and day compared to before, and that was my biggest qualm with him thru 2019.

Howard seems really confident for a true frosh, and has a hell of an arm, but like all you guys have said, basically has cement shoes. I’ll take MIR’s word for it on Rubley’s performance in IA high school football. Maybe he’s playing down, and will be a total stud out of the gate tho.

Note: Best option for 2021 doesn’t necessarily mean best option for program going forward... but it might!

Other note: prob all moot cuz Skylar prob isn’t coming back

Skylar would 100% be the best QB on the roster next year but getting a 6th year out of the most brutalized QB in Kansas State football history is probably a bit selfish.

Nobody was talking about Grant Gregory ITT

He got hurt once and played through it, Skylar is in his fifth year of getting the crap beat out of him.

Both physically and emotionally. He may go down as the most under appreciated good Cat athlete oat. I’ve been guilty myself.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2020, 02:09:13 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

This is why I pay for this blog.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?

What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 02:26:35 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?

What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.

Not surprising. He never got credit for as good of an athlete he was, doesn't translate you an effective P5 QB tho
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
I’m choosing to believe Jake will take a different path than Dylan
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 04, 2020, 03:20:20 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?

What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.

Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2020, 03:21:35 PM
I’m choosing to believe Jake will take a different path than Dylan

God Damnit.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Institutional Control on October 04, 2020, 04:49:09 PM
I didn’t see anything out of Howard that makes me think he could carry this team to a win if needed.  His two biggest plays were pretty easy passes to make.


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on October 04, 2020, 05:23:19 PM
The thing is, Howard is going to be as good as we believe he is. 

I believe he is going to dominate the conference and hoist a Dr Pepper.

What do YOU believe,?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 04, 2020, 05:24:28 PM
If we as fans do not believe, how will the team believe?


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on October 04, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
Do you think Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant because he lifted weights? Or was the strength of the fans channeled into his heart?

There is no stronger steroid than belief that the fans know you can win.

HGH is pretty good though.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on October 04, 2020, 05:30:24 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?

What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.

Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!

This was a little before my time so I had to google him. The TLDR version is he was the #2 Juco QB but got some weird stomach virus and was throwing up 35 times a day and couldnt play football again.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-29-sp-8231-story.html

Check out who the #1 Juco QB was that year!

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LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State agreed. Smith was ranked second to Brigham Young’s Steve Sarkisian among available junior college quarterbacks and Snyder guessed Smith might remind a few people of departing senior Chad May, who had just been drafted by the Minnesota Vikings.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 04, 2020, 05:35:42 PM
I’m choosing to believe Jake will take a different path than Dylan
Don’t you start, Buddy
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2020, 06:03:12 PM
THAT'S JUST MEAN!!!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 06:41:36 PM
I didn’t see anything out of Howard that makes me think he could carry this team to a win if needed.  His two biggest plays were pretty easy passes to make.


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The play calling was ultra conservative until the 4th quarter. If he starts against TCU, I'm confident we'll see a less conservative game plan. Also it is very obvious the talking point that Skylar hasn't been practicing was incorrect.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: schreds21 on October 04, 2020, 07:17:10 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?

What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.

Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!

This was a little before my time so I had to google him. The TLDR version is he was the #2 Juco QB but got some weird stomach virus and was throwing up 35 times a day and couldnt play football again.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-29-sp-8231-story.html

Check out who the #1 Juco QB was that year!

Quote
LHC LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State agreed. Smith was ranked second to Brigham Young’s Steve Sarkisian among available junior college quarterbacks and Snyder guessed Smith might remind a few people of departing senior Chad May, who had just been drafted by the Minnesota Vikings.
And we ended up with Brian rough ridin' Kavanaugh starting instead
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2020, 07:34:10 PM
will howard looked to be a tlb giant stud

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
I'm glad we have Howard, but I will also say that I suspect that Jake Rubley and all of his closest advisors and friends are NOT worried.

Well I've seen Rubley and I'm not convinced he's better that Howard. Rubley probably has a better arm and is definitely more athletic, but watching him play against 4A Iowa football players who have Drake or D3 football as their limit, he hasn't been overwhelming. I didn't watch Howard last year but I read a ton about him and he was the best player in his conference and his region.

Better arm and more athletic, I’m sold.

You'd take Allen Webb and Dylan Meyer over any QB we've had since Freeman minus Sams?

What could have happened if Meier didn’t have his shoulder destroyed is my #2 what-if after Cody Lee Smith. I knew a bunch of people that played against Meier in HS, including from 2 different schools that played him in the 5A championship game and all said he was by far the best offensive player they played that year.

Oh man. A Cody Lee Smith callback!

This was a little before my time so I had to google him. The TLDR version is he was the #2 Juco QB but got some weird stomach virus and was throwing up 35 times a day and couldnt play football again.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-29-sp-8231-story.html

Check out who the #1 Juco QB was that year!

Quote
LHC LHC Bill Snyder at Kansas State agreed. Smith was ranked second to Brigham Young’s Steve Sarkisian among available junior college quarterbacks and Snyder guessed Smith might remind a few people of departing senior Chad May, who had just been drafted by the Minnesota Vikings.
And we ended up with Brian rough ridin' Kavanaugh starting instead

Bruh, he played for a year and a game and went 10-3 in that time. Tough crowd.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: schreds21 on October 04, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
will howard looked to be a tlb giant stud
Never thought he was very good.  Plus he was  a dick.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
will howard looked to be a tlb giant stud
Never thought he was very good.  Plus he was  a dick.

Schreds, you clearly meant to quote my post. He was decent, not great. You're right that he wasn't the most pleasant dude, but neither was Sark. Was it Darren Howard that tried to fight Sark at the end of the Cotton Bowl?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2020, 08:36:43 PM
my only evidence is watching this game while almost napping at about 5FPS on a bad youtube.

what did he do that was dickish?

he didnt mess up and made the plays we needed to win as a freshman, playing unexpectedly, from behind, surrounded by dubious talent
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2020, 08:56:15 PM
How good would we be next year if Howard was as good as Jr. Chad May?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
i wanna know what will howard did to schreds. dustup in the dillons parking lot?
cut in line at derby dining hall?
social media stuff? subtweet, etc?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
i wanna know what will howard did to schreds. dustup in the dillons parking lot?
cut in line at derby dining hall?
social media stuff? subtweet, etc?
He may have been referring to Brian Kavanaugh or Cody Lee Smith! Can't tell!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: schreds21 on October 04, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
MIR is right.  Quoted wrong post.  Was referring to Kavanaugh.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on October 05, 2020, 07:14:02 AM
That's where I am as well. Howard may end up being a great quarterback, but Skylar is far better. Any chance we have of winning the conference vanishes if Skylar is done for the season.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2020, 07:25:10 AM
Well yeah. My algorithm says junior Howard is better than senior skye
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: deputy dawg on October 05, 2020, 07:33:29 AM
Any word on extent of Thompson's injury?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 05, 2020, 07:34:36 AM
Howard seemed to be good at staying in the pocket when the pocket got scary. Which is pretty unique for someone that age. Or his peripheral vision just sucks. Who knows!


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 09:50:42 AM
Howard seemed to be good at staying in the pocket when the pocket got scary. Which is pretty unique for someone that age. Or his peripheral vision just sucks. Who knows!


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Yeah there was one in the third quarter when it looked like he just didn't see the rush. But not unexpected!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 05, 2020, 09:58:34 AM
Mess needs to dial up some bootlegs!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 05, 2020, 10:14:15 AM
This season is a freeroll. We weren't going to win it all anyways with or without Sky. Might as well prepare for the future and get Howard as many snaps as we can in preparation for 2021. This team could be legit in 2022-2023 and playing Howard now increases the likelihood we can ball out in the years to come.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 10:34:21 AM
I agree that good football player Skylar Thompson should not play anymore so that he has some sort of a healthy body for the remainder of his life.  He has taken enough bodily abuse for one lifetime already.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 05, 2020, 10:51:35 AM
the offenses in today’s big 12 demand for a qb to be able to take a hittin and keep on tickin
what else can you do, play 2 hand touch?

imo sky will be back under center next week ready to command his troops to wildcat victory formation
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 05, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2020, 11:02:11 AM
I expect Will to have a very nice game against TCU. He will have a whole week of practice with the first team and that should build confidence both in him and in the coaching staff.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2020, 11:02:33 AM
Yeah. Agreed.  He didn’t come out and look like a superstar right away, our best hope is for Skylar to come back soon.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on October 05, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
I think the question comes down to Will Howard?  Or Won't Howard?  Too early to tell imo.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2020, 11:03:52 AM
Early signs point to Will.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 05, 2020, 11:07:27 AM
how's his scrambling ability? i missed most of the 2nd half.
get out the sundial for his 40
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
He just needs to pound the stone a little harder on his speed training.  Stack sprints on sprints on sprints.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
Also aren’t we just Belichek’ng opposing teams by saying Skylar might be back? His arm looked wrecked on Saturday.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 05, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
It looks like he turned down a bunch of Ivy League schools to go to Kansas State. That may mean he's smart or not smart.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 12:10:56 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on October 05, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
whether he is or isn't above average doesn't matter, he's the best fit right now in this offense if healthy
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 05, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.
Yes.  I've described Skylar as "seviceable" in the past (which I think is better than "average").  He's played good-great this year though, and our team would be considerably worse without him.
Title: How good is Will Howard[emoji47]
Post by: catastrophe on October 05, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
Yeah Sky has seemed very good to me. If he was 100% healthy there’s not many Big 12 QB’s I’d trade him for. Definitely not OU’s INT machine rattling gun.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on October 05, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
Consistency has always been Skylar's bugaboo (not sure if I used that word right).  But he's definitely been more up than down this season and last.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 01:03:03 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

:dunno:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
The whole "if Skylar's healthy" talking point it moot because he's not. This is Will Howard's job for at least the next week or two, and hopefully he plays well enough to earn the job full time.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 01:16:01 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

:dunno:

That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 01:17:58 PM
The whole "if Skylar's healthy" talking point it moot because he's not. This is Will Howard's job for at least the next week or two, and hopefully he plays well enough to earn the job full time.

You know something? KSO is having a good old fashioned source off with everything from returning to practice tomorrow to out for the season. I can't imagine that anyone would have anything definitive before this morning at the absolute earliest.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

:dunno:

That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr

I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 05, 2020, 01:48:34 PM
Here's the deal, at the end of the day it is what it is.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 02:14:42 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

:dunno:

That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr

I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:

This is a master class in not admitting you were wrong, which is surprising for you. 5th in the conference, okay. The Big 12 has been known for having the best offenses in the country. 37th out of 122 nor is 18th of 76 considered average. Come on man, he's above players considered sure NFL draft picks on both lists.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

:dunno:

That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr

I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:

This is a master class in not admitting you were wrong, which is surprising for you. 5th in the conference, okay. The Big 12 has been known for having the best offenses in the country. 37th out of 122 nor is 18th of 76 considered average. Come on man, he's above players considered sure NFL draft picks on both lists.

I'll concede he's above average across college football and an average starting Big 12 QB. I can't believe that's controversial but won't argue it any more.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2020, 02:31:41 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season. 

I can't imagine anyone wanting to start Howard assuming Skylar's healthy but I also don't think Skylar is an above average quarterback. He's perfectly serviceable. And that's OK too!

I also think Howard can be just as good if not better and the reps he's getting now will be good for him!

Skylar is absolutely above average, college football is filled with trash quarterbacks. PFF loves him.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/season/2019/group/4/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

:dunno:

That's passer rating and it's from last season. Seems unfair to take away a massive advantage that he has, no? Why didn't you sort by QBR instead of passer rating? His QBR was 37th nationally last year and 18th this year.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr

I mean he's 5th in the Big 12 this year and was 5th last year. There are 10 teams so that puts him...just about middle of the pack among starters. :dunno:

This is a master class in not admitting you were wrong, which is surprising for you. 5th in the conference, okay. The Big 12 has been known for having the best offenses in the country. 37th out of 122 nor is 18th of 76 considered average. Come on man, he's above players considered sure NFL draft picks on both lists.

I'll concede he's above average across college football and an average starting Big 12 QB. I can't believe that's controversial but won't argue it any more.

Accurate! Like I said, there are a lot of trash quarterbacks in college football. You know what conference has sneaky poop QB play? SEC SEC SEC
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 05, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
those defenses are just really, really good.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 05, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
If Thompson wants to play and can play, he absolutely should.  Wherever Howard may end up, Thompson is lightyears ahead of Will Howard right now, and, right now, we're sitting at the top of the standings.  We can do some really nice things this year.  Putting together something like a 6-4; 7-3 type season would be GREAT for the program (and obviously anything better would be that much better).  Turtling and "playing for the future" by starting a freshman would be stupid, given how much better Skylar has been so far this year, in a season that's still very much "in play" for goodness/greatness. 

Plus, I don't think it's always true that starting a true freshman QB is good for that QBs long term development.  I think there's a lot of value to be had for Howard to get in there, learn the offense (generally) and bend bars, rather than "taking his lumps."

Howard has a bright future regardless of whether he starts the rest of the season.

Excellent thoughts from one of the premiere retired college football journalists out there. Not hard to see why you’ve always been so respected in the field.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2020, 04:47:35 PM
#blessed
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 05, 2020, 10:46:59 PM
I'd say Sky is a below average QB for someone who is in his third year starting.

All aboard the Howard bandwagon.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: bucket on October 05, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
I'd say Sky is a below average QB for someone who is in his third year starting.

All aboard the Howard bandwagon.

nitpicking
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2020, 01:31:46 AM
I'd say Sky is a below average QB for someone who is in his third year starting.

All aboard the Howard bandwagon.

This is stupid, like all of it, dumb.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: stunted on October 06, 2020, 05:29:55 AM
skylar has something that can't be measured. he has the intangibles.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KST8FAN on October 06, 2020, 09:41:39 PM
Hearing Skylar is done for the year?


Tom

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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2020, 09:59:19 PM
The media who have been willing to put their name on it says he has an AC sprain that could be anywhere from a week to a couple months. Klieman said yesterday that Skylar could play this weekend but no one believes that.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kim carnes on October 06, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
Sky is incredibly average.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2020, 06:46:32 AM
Skylar has over 5000 passing yards and 1000 rushing yards as a QB. While that hasn't always equated to wins like we've wanted it to, how anyone can call that average is beyond me.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: IPA4Me on October 07, 2020, 07:24:19 AM
Taking mental snaps. Ya, ok, Kli. You're just keeping Sweaty Gary guessing. :)
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KST8FAN on October 07, 2020, 09:14:53 AM
Skylar has over 5000 passing yards and 1000 rushing yards as a QB. While that hasn't always equated to wins like we've wanted it to, how anyone can call that average is beyond me.

Broadcast had a graphic last week.  Sky and El Roberson are the only 2 KState QBs to have 5k passing and 1k rushing in a career.  El's numbers are 5k and 2k, but that's still pretty good company.


Tom
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: GregKSU1027 on October 07, 2020, 09:16:41 AM
Taking mental snaps. Ya, ok, Kli. You're just keeping Sweaty Gary guessing. :)
Gary has to bring three shirts to the office just to be dry for the walk to the car, then when he gets home he has to put the shirt on that he keeps in his car for the walk inside. The guy's laundry has to be awful.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MadCat on October 07, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
Probably has to hose off in the garden before he's allowed inside.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 07, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
just hope he's back in time to crush iowa states hearts once more
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 07, 2020, 03:29:56 PM
This is absolutely nuts. Things are getting way out of hand already. Klieman needs to go ahead and quash this quarterback controversy by naming Will the #1 QB right now before it's too late.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 07, 2020, 05:48:35 PM
Skyler is fine. Bill completely mumped the kid

Great kid. Glad he’s ours


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: IPA4Me on October 12, 2020, 10:47:14 AM
Guess we're gonna find out how good he can be.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on October 12, 2020, 10:52:54 AM
Deuce should always have been the QB.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.

yep, sucks for Sky. A dr. pepper this season wouldn't have really counted anyway.

would Sky come back next season? Pre-injury I heard our guy Keitz talk to Kevin Lockett like it's a given that he'll come back.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 12, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
He lost his starting job to Stoutward and they're letting him save face here.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 12, 2020, 11:08:53 AM
Deuce should always have been the QB.

5'6" QB  :lol: :ROFL: :ksu:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on October 12, 2020, 11:09:28 AM
Did it end up being a broken collar bone?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ChiComCat on October 12, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.

yep, sucks for Sky. A dr. pepper this season wouldn't have really counted anyway.

would Sky come back next season? Pre-injury I heard our guy Keitz talk to Kevin Lockett like it's a given that he'll come back.
  He seems like the perfect candidate to do it.  Good enough to help a team and potentially having draft stock but not good enough to get any sort of look this year, regardless of injury.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 11:20:19 AM
That sucks for Skylar, and we can kiss the Dr. Pepper goodbye, it's too much for a true freshman who didn't have either spring ball or a real pre season camp.

yep, sucks for Sky. A dr. pepper this season wouldn't have really counted anyway.

would Sky come back next season? Pre-injury I heard our guy Keitz talk to Kevin Lockett like it's a given that he'll come back.

First of all, I don't think kkk has any idea. I've heard people much closer to the day-to-do day of the program think there was no chance, pre-season injury of course.

I think a 6th year, with the injuries he's had, is a big ask. Also remember, he still needs to be in school, he can't just be a football player. I also think the nature of the injury will come into play. If he has pins in his throwing shoulder, that's going to be a long term problem.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: IPA4Me on October 12, 2020, 11:57:02 AM
Did it end up being a broken collar bone?
Specific injury wasn't released. They just called it an upper body injury.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2020, 12:08:01 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.

Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on October 12, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
Deuce should always have been the QB.

5'6" QB  :lol: :ROFL: :ksu:

If he was the QB, that would remove all roadblocks to him getting the ball other than the center correctly getting it between his legs.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 12, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
eff it. LET’S ROLL WILDCATS TO PEPPER.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.

Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.

If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2020, 12:29:46 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.

Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.

If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.

Sure, I also don't think that'll happen either :dunno:

We're going to have great opportunities to win WVU, Baylor, and as always, ISU. And I don't think we'll be hapless against texas or okie st but those are going to probably be losses. Given the fluid nature of everything this season, it's hard for me to think ku will be the last win we'll get.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 12, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
Pretty hilarious that people think Stoutward can't Pepper and Thompson can given that Stoutward beat out Thompson for the QB job.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 12:33:02 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.

Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.

If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.

Sure, I also don't think that'll happen either :dunno:

We're going to have great opportunities to win WVU, Baylor, and as always, ISU. And I don't think we'll be hapless against texas or okie st but those are going to probably be losses. Given the fluid nature of everything this season, it's hard for me to think ku will be the last win we'll get.

I don't think the QBs of any of those five teams will play close to as poorly as Duggan played on Saturday.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on October 12, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
Duggan played poorly because our defense got in his head and he didn't want any of it.  Who's to say that won't happen again.  _\mm/_
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 01:04:40 PM
I will go on record right now and say that, excluding KU, our defense will allow more than 14 points every single game the rest of the regular season.

Duggan had a qbr of 44.1 and Downing had a qbr of 0.3, not a typo or a BAL, I'll also guarantee that every non KU team we play won't have two quarterbacks play that poorly. To put that 44.1 and 0.3 in perspective, Howard had a 72.8.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 12, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
I expect our offense to also be more effective moving forward. Howard is much better than I expected him to be. He's a true freshman who had the COVID offseason to prepare for this season. I think we are likely to see a lot of improvement week to week.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
Also don't forget our OL is also really inexperienced and has been getting better. Doesn't inspire a ton of confidence with a true frosh qb but there is still a lot of room for improvement that would really help Will.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: catastrophe on October 12, 2020, 01:11:17 PM
He reminds me of Bazooka Joe, who started out fine but just never improved like at all. If Howard is a quick study he’ll do fine this year I think.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 12, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
Except Bazooka Joe had Snyder and Howard has Klieman.  Klieman already has a better resume on QB development. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2020, 01:28:28 PM
Well, at least Will has a bye week, and ku next to get himself up to speed. Probably take the edge off of drinking out of a fire hydrant.

Probably means no pepper, but I bet he'll help us win half the games left.

If we get two more wins, I think this fake season could be viewed as a success. I don't think anyone would feel good about a 5 game losing streak to close out the year.

Sure, I also don't think that'll happen either :dunno:

We're going to have great opportunities to win WVU, Baylor, and as always, ISU. And I don't think we'll be hapless against texas or okie st but those are going to probably be losses. Given the fluid nature of everything this season, it's hard for me to think ku will be the last win we'll get.

I don't think the QBs of any of those five teams will play close to as poorly as Duggan played on Saturday.

That probably is true, but I don't think we'll stagnate, I was pretty critical of our o-line, and while they still aren't great, they are significantly better, and IMO Will had an ok game, and if he's worth anything he'll improve. I don't expect us to hold teams to 14 points, and I don't expect our offense only score 14 points save like osu and maybe texas.

I like that he has the bye week and ku after to help really get him integrated. Plus the TCU game under his belt. I think he'll end up being serviceable.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
We'll beat KU and Baylor, and likely WVU. OSU will probably be a loss now without Skylar. ISU is a toss up.

I actually like our chances against Texas. That'll be the last game of the year, Herman will have been canned, and the UT team will just be wanting to go home.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on October 12, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
I will go on record right now and say that, excluding KU, our defense will allow more than 14 points every single game the rest of the regular season.

Duggan had a qbr of 44.1 and Downing had a qbr of 0.3, not a typo or a BAL, I'll also guarantee that every non KU team we play won't have two quarterbacks play that poorly. To put that 44.1 and 0.3 in perspective, Howard had a 72.8.

i'm showing Duggan had a rating of 103.0 and Howard 83.3.  either way, that's a qb with some experience that was clearly rattled.  won't happen every game, but there's not any great qb's in this league, so i think our defense will take some pressure off of Howard. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 12, 2020, 01:51:51 PM
this team has issues but howard at QB isn't one of them
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 02:26:51 PM
Except Bazooka Joe had Snyder and Howard has Klieman.  Klieman already has a better resume on QB development.

And Bazooka Joe was super old
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2020, 02:28:50 PM
I will go on record right now and say that, excluding KU, our defense will allow more than 14 points every single game the rest of the regular season.

Duggan had a qbr of 44.1 and Downing had a qbr of 0.3, not a typo or a BAL, I'll also guarantee that every non KU team we play won't have two quarterbacks play that poorly. To put that 44.1 and 0.3 in perspective, Howard had a 72.8.

i'm showing Duggan had a rating of 103.0 and Howard 83.3.  either way, that's a qb with some experience that was clearly rattled.  won't happen every game, but there's not any great qb's in this league, so i think our defense will take some pressure off of Howard.

Those are passer ratings
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 12, 2020, 02:56:45 PM
If our defensive guys keep smashing opposing QBs in the ribs, I think a lot of them will do crappy against us.

It will also be interesting to see if a “TCU” effect begins to occur for our opponents the following week. We hit hard and tough people up. A lot of guys aren’t used to that these days.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 12, 2020, 04:57:49 PM
I'd O/U us at 3.5 more wins over the rest of the season.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 12, 2020, 05:43:50 PM
Howard is going to struggle at times and make a few bonehead plays, but the dude is a winner.

13-2 last year, district title (first in 14 years), and a trip to the semi-finals. He's 16 for 32, 314 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT in 1.5 games this year. Small sample size, but that ain't bad for getting thrown in on short notice. He probably had less than 50 live snaps with the first team in practice until the week leading up to the TCU game when the coaching staff knew Thompson was done. TCU corners are aggressive and our wideouts were not doing Howard any favors getting open or catching the ball. I expect two weeks of practice and a nice game against KU will get his mojo and confidence up. Howard will prove he is the future this season.

All bets are off if we try to turn him into a battering ram. That nonsense needs to stop.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 12, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
He's going to be good.  Three weeks with the first team and a game against KU should give him the confidence he needs to take us all the way.  :emawkid:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 12, 2020, 07:58:06 PM
Being a “winner” doesn’t mean crap


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on October 12, 2020, 09:34:52 PM
He's going to be good.  Three weeks with the first team and a game against KU should give him the confidence he needs to take us all the way.  :emawkid:

Yeah, I am fully expecting him to look like an absolute stud against bball aggie and I will get my hopes up really high that maybe we can still make the dr pepper but then he will look like a true freshman QB against coal aggie or tboone aggie.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 12, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
Howard is a big true freshman QB with some good, raw tools.  That’s pretty much what he’s looked like so far too, so none of this should be unexpected either way.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 12, 2020, 11:12:57 PM
Being a “winner” doesn’t mean crap


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It means a lot.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
With rare exception, P5 scholarship quarterbacks were "winners" in high school. Because they are very talented relative to their competition and not because of some mythical winning instinct.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 11:18:49 PM
Also I haven't seen CK use quarterbacks as bartering rams. They definite use qb runs but not like a ton
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 12, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
He's going to be good.  Three weeks with the first team and a game against KU should give him the confidence he needs to take us all the way.  :emawkid:

Yeah, I am fully expecting him to look like an absolute stud against bball aggie and I will get my hopes up really high that maybe we can still make the dr pepper but then he will look like a true freshman QB against coal aggie or tboone aggie.

I certainly don't expect him to be perfect, but from what little we've seen so far, he has good instincts and is a more accurate thrower than Thompson. Yes, I would feel much better with Skylar starting, but I have high hopes!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: waks on October 12, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
Uh, he's got a 50% completion rate. That is definitely not more accurate than Skylar.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2020, 11:59:56 PM
TBH he hasn't shown he can do anything better than Skylar, yet.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 13, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
TBH he hasn't shown he can do anything better than Skylar, yet.

Stay healthy.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 13, 2020, 11:09:08 AM
Also I haven't seen CK use quarterbacks as bartering rams. They definite use qb runs but not like a ton
None of the QBs are CK or ER or MB, either. But then again that didn't deter Snyder.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on October 13, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
He seems to put a nice 'touch' on his throws.  Has anyone else noticed the 'touch' he puts on his throws?  I could be wrong.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 13, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
He seems to put a nice 'touch' on his throws.  Has anyone else noticed the 'touch' he puts on his throws?  I could be wrong.

Dropped a dime into Sammy Wheeler that should have counted if not for the shitty refs.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 13, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
When he did have a little time, he was able to hit his receivers in stride for YAC.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ChiComCat on October 13, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside.  From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there.  Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2020, 04:05:11 PM
He sees over the line better since he is more ideal height.  He dropped one over the linebackers to Duece that was something Skylar probably just couldn’t do based on height and seeing it.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: bucket on October 13, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
He seems to put a nice 'touch' on his throws.  Has anyone else noticed the 'touch' he puts on his throws?  I could be wrong.

Dropped a dime into Sammy Wheeler that should have counted if not for the shitty refs.

So many drops in that TCU game by our WR's. I'm sure Skylar has had to deal with drops too, but it really stood out to me against TCU.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2020, 11:07:58 PM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside.  From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there.  Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.
Throws to the sideline are harder. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on October 14, 2020, 08:57:33 AM
Will def throws a lot more wobbly passes, looks like some of his passes are harder to catch.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2020, 09:19:50 AM
I'm super impressed with Stoutward's ability to carry out halftime adjustments.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 14, 2020, 09:29:28 AM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside.  From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there.  Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.
Throws to the sideline are harder.

and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 14, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside.  From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there.  Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.
Throws to the sideline are harder.

and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
And glhe was really close to a pick six Saturday
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: purplehaze on October 14, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside.  From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there.  Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.
Throws to the sideline are harder.

and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.

He had the nice quick out to Bash on 3rd down vs TT, but I bet the coaches were limiting out routes with TCU due to the chance of pick-6s. He is throwing the seam well. The touch throw to Deuce that went for 45 showed great arm strength- running backwards to his left, threw off his back foot while being tackled, and effortlessly lofted it 25yds right over the LB and beneath the safety. That play has me incredibly excited about his ability.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
Will Howard throws much better between the hashes than to the outside.  From the one pass in the Arkansas State game to the Moore/Wheeler throws on Saturday, he has been solid there.  Not sure if there are larger conclusions to be drawn from it.
Throws to the sideline are harder.

and require more arm strength or they're going to get pick 6'd. I think howard looks perfectly capable of being fine. his arm strength seems lacking though. probably related to the "touch" that 33 notices.
And glhe was really close to a pick six Saturday

I was shocked that dude didn’t get there in time, thought for sure it was going to the house.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 15, 2020, 11:40:10 PM
[youtube] https://youtu.be/sJgBgoyF7TY[/youtube]

What a boss.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 24, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
He seems to be turning out just fine.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 24, 2020, 01:46:22 PM
I mean he’s playing like a complete stud but I just don’t know how much stock I can put in a performance against KU
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 24, 2020, 02:40:54 PM
He played better last week.  :fatty:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 24, 2020, 02:45:13 PM
he's got the worst arm strength i've seen in a P5 QB in a while. Throws a lot of wobbly ducks. Honestly, based off 1 game i would take the KU freshman QB over Howard.
Their QB has a gun and made a lot more impressive throws today. KSU won today because of coaching and other positions. Not because their QB was so much better than Ku's
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
He has a great deal of swag
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 03:07:57 PM


he's got the worst arm strength i've seen in a P5 QB in a while

Wait what
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 24, 2020, 03:16:06 PM


he's got the worst arm strength i've seen in a P5 QB in a while

Wait what

I think Will must've slept with kashi's gf or something
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 03:16:53 PM
37 yard strike to Taylor was about as noodle armed as it gets amirite Kashi?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 24, 2020, 03:20:52 PM
KINDA GOOD!


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kstatefreak42 on October 24, 2020, 03:24:33 PM
I just want to see Jacardia with 10+ touches
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 03:26:14 PM
Please let’s keep this thread about known stud Will Howard
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: IPA4Me on October 24, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
Just another Saturday of Howard helping Cats win and kashi taking a crap on him.

Carry on.

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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 24, 2020, 04:47:06 PM
Howard didn't win this game. the team did. and no one can honestly watch his game and say he has good arm strength. even my teenage daughters sat there commenting about the difference in the looks of the passes between the opposing QBs today.
i give him credit for not losing the game with turnovers and putting a couple passes in good positions to be caught. But he threw more passes that were not accurate or wobbly than he threw good passes.
its possible to be a fan and still be honest about our players. We dont have to be homers to be fans. Even the KSU coaches mentioned Will's lack of passing last week and blamed it on bad footwork. He does get more pressure because the OL sucks but he apparently doesn't have the arm strength to throw it without proper follow thru
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 04:50:25 PM
I admire your consistency, you are really riding this bad take right into the ground.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 04:54:46 PM
I mean he definitely threw a few wounded ducks and needs to work on his footwork but he does not have the weakest P5 arm we've ever seen. And overall he did just fine!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: IPA4Me on October 24, 2020, 05:08:01 PM
It's also possible to be a fan without being an ass. Nobody's saying Will is winning a Heisman but eff man. Lighten up.

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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KITNfury on October 24, 2020, 05:15:20 PM
He's a true freshman that completed 71% of his passes for almost 250 yards, with a couple difficult but catchable td throws that were dropped. KU sucks, but still a solid day for a young guy.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: joda on October 24, 2020, 05:16:14 PM
I admire kashi’s dedication to the role. Someone has to play the heel
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 24, 2020, 05:31:34 PM
Just another Saturday of Howard helping Cats win and kashi taking a crap on him.

Carry on.

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Waiting on Pete and MIR crap talking, like on the last game.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 24, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Howard didn't win this game. the team did. and no one can honestly watch his game and say he has good arm strength. even my teenage daughters sat there commenting about the difference in the looks of the passes between the opposing QBs today.
i give him credit for not losing the game with turnovers and putting a couple passes in good positions to be caught. But he threw more passes that were not accurate or wobbly than he threw good passes.
its possible to be a fan and still be honest about our players. We dont have to be homers to be fans. Even the KSU coaches mentioned Will's lack of passing last week and blamed it on bad footwork. He does get more pressure because the OL sucks but he apparently doesn't have the arm strength to throw it without proper follow thru

You’ve picked a weird hill to die on, but at least you died
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on October 24, 2020, 07:55:05 PM
I admire kashi’s dedication to the role. Someone has to play the heel

Agreed.

Wacky played this role great for 8+ years but now he as a kid and more important things to do than troll on a KSU Wildcats BBS so I'm glad kashi is here.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on October 24, 2020, 07:57:23 PM
I would rate Will's performance as solidly B to B+.

Was he amazing and the reason we won the game? NO

Did he do anything to cost us the game like throw a screen pass across his body off his back foot that was pick 6'd? NO

He is a true freshman who can't even grow real facial hair...he did great today.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
The word
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 08:05:04 PM
I'll add that he didn't really have any passes that were close to being picked that I could tell. He seemed to make better decisions as he gets more reps
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 24, 2020, 08:12:03 PM
Especially with a garbage oline


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
Especially with a garbage oline


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It’s hard to defend Leveston at LT but I’m not sure this OL is all that bad as the season progresses.  Pretty excited about this position group in the next few years.
 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: joda on October 24, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
It’s almost like we’re playing a bunch of young guys getting their first extended taste of college football, living with their mistakes, and still winning games.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 24, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Especially with a garbage oline


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It’s hard to defend Leveston at LT but I’m not sure this OL is all that bad as the season progresses.  Pretty excited about this position group in the next few years.
Mostly leveston


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 24, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
NO TURNOVERS! EVER IIRC!


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 24, 2020, 08:30:15 PM
RIGHT?


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2020, 08:36:24 PM
Especially with a garbage oline


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It’s hard to defend Leveston at LT but I’m not sure this OL is all that bad as the season progresses.  Pretty excited about this position group in the next few years.

It makes me so sad that Katori is playing as awful as he has been all season. I had high hopes for him since he had that commitment tweet in the cowboy hat. He was out with the 2s today, so baring injury, I think he's done as a starter.

The o line isn't terrible, they've been getting better. As I told y'all when it happened, most of the issues against Arkansas State were attributed to Noah Johnson getting hurt.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
Do you think Beebe slides over to Center next year and Warner and Rivas are at OG?  Duffie probably is better at OG but we almost have to have him out at RT.  Hopefully one of Willis or Mitchum is good enough next year at LT that it isn’t a liability.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 24, 2020, 09:46:28 PM
I bet Willis is Lt.


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 09:52:46 PM
I do not pay attention to any individual ol's during games
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 24, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
I mean his arm is kind of weak
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2020, 10:31:59 PM
I do not pay attention to any individual ol's during games

I don't really either but Katori has like 10 penalties this year, not an exaggeration and he spent the first four games constantly getting beat. With losing Noah Johnson, I just figured that losing your starting center in the first quarter of the season in which you're returning no starters couldn't be good.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 24, 2020, 10:48:56 PM
KT has been kinda bad this year.  I think he'd be better off if we moved him in to the guard spot.

Howard is a true freshman with some good tools, and he's playing like a true freshman with some good tools.  His arm strength doesn't concern me at all.  I think it's "fine" at worst.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
I mean his arm is kind of weak

Is it though? I mean they aren't having him throw many out routes but it seems fine going vertical. I will hear reasonable arguments on both sides.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 11:06:25 PM
Watch him go through route progressions, it’s a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.

I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.

He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 24, 2020, 11:12:03 PM
I find it refreshing that he isn't over-throwing his receivers and throwing to spots where only his receivers can reach.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on October 24, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Touch and accuracy is more important than 'rocket arm' imo.  You don't have to fire many laser beams into tight windows in CFB.  The defenses aren't that good. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Yea it’s pretty great that he has a stud TE and elite pass catching RB. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2020, 12:09:48 AM
 :comehere:
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.

I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.

He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int

I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2020, 12:19:12 AM
:comehere:
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.

I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.

He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int

I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.

Even with Colin Klein as QB coach I don't think we'll have anymore battering ram QBs'.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 25, 2020, 12:19:27 AM
:comehere:
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.

I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.

He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int

I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.

Yeah, rewatching some of the highlights, his TD to Moore for example was like super floaty, but his throw to Taylor for basically a TD was damn good. There were a few times I did notice he never even look at his check down to Deuce, but that is w/e.

He's got poise, the first half was not great for him, but then again with all the special teams and defensive TDs the offense never really got a chance to do anything. Halftime was a great reset for the team and they came out and did whatever they wanted in the 3rd.

After TT beating WV, they got a good shot of running this to 5-0 in the conference, and then after that vs OSU, just throw the kitchen sink at them, who knows.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2020, 02:32:38 AM
:comehere:
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.

I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.

He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int

I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.

I don't think he looks like he has a rocket arm either but that's what the coaches were telling the media even going back to August.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Spaces on October 25, 2020, 08:17:49 AM
He's super good. Sometimes you can just tell when a KSU Cat QB has "it" and Howard certainly does.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2020, 08:18:48 AM
 :ksu:
:comehere:
The coaches have said he has a cannon. His balls outside the numbers are really bad though, but I think that's technique, knowing those are more dangerous throws and he's overthrowing the ball. I think the ducks out there are literally due to him squeezing the ball too tightly when he's overthrowing it.

I think he's great. I am very impressed with his ball security, and I think he's a five year starter here. He's still slow, but so was Colin.

He might be better than Brock Purdy already, his line today, woof. 19-34, 162 yds., 1 td 1 int

I don’t think anyone with his shot put mechanics can have a canon. He isn’t exactly throwing the ball downhill or coming over the top or whatever. He played well today though and started to look more comfortable in the second half which is great. He could definitely develop into a Colin Klein type of college qb but with better accuracy/passing skills and less run speed/skills.

I don't think he looks like he has a rocket arm either but that's what the coaches were telling the media even going back to August.

I just think the staff just likes to hype the qbs and make them feel great. I would do the same. That would be a stressful position and not thinking that the staff 100% loved you and were all your biggest fan would suck. His arm is perfectly fine but I bet it’s in the lower half of P5 qbs in terms of strength.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2020, 08:18:57 AM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: jc_jax on October 25, 2020, 08:36:31 AM
Bishop was my immediate thought.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 25, 2020, 08:38:33 AM
Bazooka Joe had a canon, but wasn’t good at using it.

Effective canon? Josh.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2020, 09:00:46 AM
Will “adequate arm strength” Howard
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 25, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
He’s pretty good. I mean he’s at least as good as Skyler right?  Not as good running the ball he’s not slow but he’s not quick either takes a minute to get going.

Levestons issue is he can’t move. He’s stuck in cement all the time


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2020, 09:30:14 AM
He’s good enough to give us at least a decent chance of winning the rest of our league games IMO.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2020, 09:49:39 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshman


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshman


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Yes, I think this is the most valuable part of his game FOR THIS TEAM. Like just flop out little ducks to a wide open Deuce all day, young man. Just throw it out of bounds if there's someone close to him and tuck the ball if you're about to get sacked
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on October 25, 2020, 11:10:43 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshman


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Yes, I think this is the most valuable part of his game FOR THIS TEAM. Like just flop out little ducks to a wide open Deuce all day, young man. Just throw it out of bounds if there's someone close to him and tuck the ball if you're about to get sacked

Can we all just take a moment to LOL at KU's true freshman QB throwing a no look wounded duck screen pass off his back foot?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gawd, so glad we have a super smart/mature true freshman who knows that its really bad to turn the ball over and works to avoid doing it.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshman


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Yes, I think this is the most valuable part of his game FOR THIS TEAM. Like just flop out little ducks to a wide open Deuce all day, young man. Just throw it out of bounds if there's someone close to him and tuck the ball if you're about to get sacked

Having two good pass catching TE’s and an elite pass catching RB is the absolute best thing for young William.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2020, 03:07:32 PM
the last thing this team needs is a good ol’ fashioned arm strength off.
so please, stop questioning this man’s arm
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2020, 03:31:01 PM
if you want to disrespect will howard’s howitzer you’re going to have to do it somewhere else

TALK TO THE HAND
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
will “mini mahomes” howard makes it look easy.  why?  he’s a prodigy with the arm strength of a cyborg
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 25, 2020, 04:17:33 PM
Howard just needs to work on his footwork and not throwing off his back foot. He has the arm strength to drive the ball. I think as he gets more comfortable in The pocket he will start winging it and not trying to aim the ball in there like he is doing now at times. His best throws have actually been the 30+ yarders where he has to actually let it fly.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 25, 2020, 11:14:12 PM
I’m not sure a non garbage game against the worst team in college football should garner this much excitement. Let’s see how our offense looks against wvu before we anoint him a five year starter and better than skyler. Wvu d is legit pretty good. I hope I’m wrong but I smell a 20-10 type game headed our way next weekend.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2020, 11:28:06 PM
I’m not sure a non garbage game against the worst team in college football should garner this much excitement. Let’s see how our offense looks against wvu before we anoint him a five year starter and better than skyler. Wvu d is legit pretty good. I hope I’m wrong but I smell a 20-10 type game headed our way next weekend.

A 20-10 type loss fits right into my excitement/expectation level
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: waks on October 26, 2020, 12:49:01 AM
I’m not sure a non garbage game against the worst team in college football should garner this much excitement. Let’s see how our offense looks against wvu before we anoint him a five year starter and better than skyler. Wvu d is legit pretty good. I hope I’m wrong but I smell a 20-10 type game headed our way next weekend.
Leave it to Officer Daris to take the wind right out of our sails  :jerk:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2020, 05:49:40 AM
I don’t want to lose to Neal brown again :(


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 26, 2020, 08:53:47 AM
Tech beat WVU on saturday.  Seems like a game we can win.  :dunno:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 26, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
Tech beat WVU on saturday.  Seems like a game we can win.  :dunno:

That's how I felt after seeing the final score for that one. We got a decent chance
Title: How good is Will Howard[emoji47]
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2020, 09:07:06 AM
Sagarin has us as a favorite

Connelly hates our guts


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 26, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
Connelly is a hack.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 26, 2020, 09:29:04 AM
we have been mindfucking connelly's algo all season, but especially on saturday.  we got to "garbage time" using nothing but "fluke plays."  when our offense turned it on in the third quarter, i think the algo was already asleep on us.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 26, 2020, 08:57:40 PM
if you want to disrespect will howard’s howitzer you’re going to have to do it somewhere else

TALK TO THE HAND

Love it when Clams puts the hammer down on gE for dogging on fine young QB Will Howard.  :love:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 26, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
Officer Rick Daris may need to watch out for falling hammers after the WVU game.  :crossfingers:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 27, 2020, 06:48:31 AM
His arm is stout


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2020, 07:32:20 AM
His ability to run the ball is sneaky stout.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2020, 07:33:08 AM
His football IQ is scary stout.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KSNimrod on October 27, 2020, 08:59:53 AM
He should be Will McHoward because he's basically Guinness Extra Stout level.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MadCat on October 27, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
More like Willis Extra Stout
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on October 27, 2020, 11:32:08 AM
I thought for 2020 it was "thicc"
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Fedor on October 28, 2020, 11:08:59 AM
There was a comparison on Twitter of Skylar and Will which I can no longer find.  Suffice to say, Will's numbers were quite comparable to Thompson's and even better in some cases.  The biggest problem for Will was on 2nd down he only had a completion rate of 45% or so. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 12:06:46 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy.  You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KITNfury on October 28, 2020, 12:37:14 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy.  You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.
I think if he can fight off Rubley, he'll be a uber (not the David Beaty kind) as an upper classman.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy.  You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.
I think if he can fight off Rubley, he'll be a uber (not the David Beaty kind) as an upper classman.

Rubley only ever starts a game here if Will gets hurt. He'll be gone by next December.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 01:13:38 PM
The “I hate the crap out of Jake Rubley” line forms single file behind MIR
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 8manpick on October 28, 2020, 01:27:22 PM
Isn’t Rubley our highest rated HS recruit since Freeman or something?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 01:45:33 PM
He’s our guy now, you sunshine pump your guy.  You don’t come in here and say critical things like Officer Daris that’s for sure.
I think if he can fight off Rubley, he'll be a uber (not the David Beaty kind) as an upper classman.

Rubley only ever starts a game here if Will gets hurt. He'll be gone by next December.

wow that's some zeal
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
Isn’t Rubley our highest rated HS recruit since Freeman or something?

MiR watched a HS game and decided he sucks
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 28, 2020, 02:06:19 PM
a much ballyhoo'd quarterback recruit transferring after his true freshman season because he can't get playing time behind our other true freshman quarterback isn't the worst thing in the world if it happens
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
Jaren Lewis is just waiting in the wings for them to go down with injuries
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 02:42:02 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 02:53:30 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
I think he will wait behind Will until he goes pro
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 03:01:28 PM
I think he will wait behind Will until he goes pro

2021: Redshirt
2022: get reps as First Team All Big 12 Jr. Will Howard's backup
2023: starts as a sophomore!

:comeatme:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 03:41:48 PM
I think he will wait behind Will until he goes pro

2021: Redshirt
2022: get reps as First Team All Big 12 Jr. Will Howard's backup
2023: starts as a sophomore!

:comeatme:

Yep he can play two years and go pro rinse repeat with our stud QB recruiting
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on October 28, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
MiR, I'm sorry Jake didn't look great that one game with those Des Moines duds.  But get off his back already sheesh.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 28, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.
you trying to say kli dog isn't recruiting guys who are bought into the wildcat way?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.

I outlined my best case scenario!

I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast

There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 28, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
Howard will have an extra year on him, but it's very possible Rubley comes in right away and is better.  I like Howard an am optimistic about his future, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire so far.  Plenty of room for Rubley to come in and outplay him for the job.  Do I think that's super likely?  Probably not in year one.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 05:34:52 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.

I outlined my best case scenario!

I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast

There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving

lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 06:11:09 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.

I outlined my best case scenario!

I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast

There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving

lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.

no, I do not follow the rate in which qb waivers get granted. My general point stands and I agree with DLew as well.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2020, 09:41:09 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.

I outlined my best case scenario!

I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast

There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving

lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.

no, I do not follow the rate in which qb waivers get granted. My general point stands and I agree with DLew as well.

One thing to keep in mind, this coach isn't a carbon copy of the Snyder ways.  He'll play whoever is the better QB.  It always pissed me off how Snyder would hold back talent so the more experienced player started and as a result we lost good talent.  I feel confident we'll see the best QB starting next year.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2020, 09:42:20 PM
Howard is so good that over half of KSO is saying they’d rather add T. Lockett to the current team over Bishop and any other Cat QB.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2020, 09:49:47 PM
Aren't we bringing in Jake Rubley's high school receiver with him?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 09:58:14 PM
His team in Iowa had a RB commit for us Jayden Williams.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2020, 10:09:00 PM
WTF? I don't hate Jake Rubley at all. I don't think a true freshman, who wouldn't have played competitive football in two years, will be able to beat out a player who has started for nearly an entire season. That's not even accounting for if Skylar comes back. Y'all are out of your goddamned minds if you think Rubley is staying here if he doesn't start next year.

I don't think ANY of those things are givens...(other than he wouldn't have played competitive football for a while)

Of course they aren't givens rusty, what do you think the best case scenario is? If this team finishes, let's say even 7-4, do you really think it's likely that Howard would lose his starting job after going 6-3 as a true freshman who didn't have the benefit of spring football or a full August training camp? I was just as excited as everyone else when Rubley signed, I got a chubby when that one dude said he was the best QB are the elite 11 camp in 2019, but he's got a huge hill to climb to win that spot. If he doesn't win it he isn't staying here, that isn't even debatable.

I outlined my best case scenario!

I have no idea how good Rubley really is but I haven't seen enough from Howard to think that he can't be pushed for a starting job even if the team finishes 6-4 or 7-3. He has been fantast

There's also the interesting idea that he's gone if he isn't good enough to start from day 1, but will have better immediate playing time options available if he transfers. He might! but not many and he'll have to take a redshirt, which diminishes the point of leaving

lol, no he won't, have you seen the rate in which QB waivers get granted? Also by the fall of 2022, there's a great chance that the one free transfer rule will be in place.

no, I do not follow the rate in which qb waivers get granted. My general point stands and I agree with DLew as well.

Well I'll tell you, because there is only one starting quarterback on each team, the transfer rates are high and waivers are almost always accepted. We're starting to see quarterbacks transfer twice.

I agree with Dlew as well. This line here makes me think he's understanding something you're taking for granted.
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Plenty of room for Rubley to come in and outplay him for the job.  Do I think that's super likely?  Probably not in year one.
The argument isn't whether or not Rubley will be better or more talented, it will be whether or not he'll be enough better for Klieman to give him the starting job. That's a much higher standard. This isn't fantasy football and coaches with their quarterbacks, are risk averse.

If Howard finishes the season continuing his projection after three games, 60% passer, 10 yards per attempt, 3-1 touchdown ratio, 6 yards a rush, freshman Josh Freeman wouldn't be good enough to unseat him. Hell, freshman Josh Freeman needed 4 complete games to unseat Dylan Meier.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 28, 2020, 10:25:04 PM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.  If Rubley comes in expecting to start right away or he’s peacing out, then it’s a wash anyway.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2020, 10:28:18 PM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.
he was god awful and never won a meaningful game.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2020, 10:44:37 PM
He threw a lot of his passes to the sidelines with no gain after completion.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Man that 2006 squad had an NFL QB, two NFL WR, 2 NFL RB’s, and an NFL TE. Throw in an offensive genius at the OC position too. 6 TD’s and 15 INT’s for Josh seems borderline unbelievable.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2020, 11:01:34 PM
I agree with Dlew as well. This line here makes me think he's understanding something you're taking for granted.
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Plenty of room for Rubley to come in and outplay him for the job.  Do I think that's super likely?  Probably not in year one.
The argument isn't whether or not Rubley will be better or more talented, it will be whether or not he'll be enough better for Klieman to give him the starting job. That's a much higher standard. This isn't fantasy football and coaches with their quarterbacks, are risk averse.

If Howard finishes the season continuing his projection after three games, 60% passer, 10 yards per attempt, 3-1 touchdown ratio, 6 yards a rush, freshman Josh Freeman wouldn't be good enough to unseat him. Hell, freshman Josh Freeman needed 4 complete games to unseat Dylan Meier.

yeah I get all that. I mean I still think Howard's most valuable asset to this team is his low-risk decision making to date. I also don't think Howard finishes the season with those stats, but if he's in the ballpark especially with low turnover numbers he'll be tough to unseat next year.

But I still don't think he'd be guaranteed to be a 4 year starter! Like TBH Sky didn't improve a ton from freshman to senior, he could have easily been unseated as a jr if someone better than Nick Ast was his backup. I mean lots of people think he should have been unseated by Howard (and I think they are wrong but you get the idea).
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 04:08:53 AM
Man that 2006 squad had an NFL QB, two NFL WR, 2 NFL RB’s, and an NFL TE. Throw in an offensive genius at the OC position too. 6 TD’s and 15 INT’s for Josh seems borderline unbelievable.

TBF, they didn't change the offense once he became the starter, that happened the next season. He was out there running the same offense Dylan was running.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 04:15:53 AM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.
never won a meaningful game.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)

Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: waks on October 29, 2020, 05:43:57 AM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.
never won a meaningful game.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)

Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.
never won a meaningful game.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)

Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.

Only 500 or so people were left in the stadium to see that win so no one really remembers it
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2020, 07:11:30 AM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15.  There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.

He got really good after that though.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: waks on October 29, 2020, 07:21:42 AM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15.  There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.

He got really good after that though.
I don't think anybody is arguing that he was a world-beater his freshman year, just that the assertion that he never won a meaningful game in a year that we went .500 in the Big XII is silly.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15.  There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.

He got really good after that though.

And bringing this around to what my point was, Will Howard has been very good, having the best freshman season than any K-State QB in our lifetime and he's going to be a witch for anyone to unseat.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 8manpick on October 29, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15.  There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.

He got really good after that though.

And bringing this around to what my point was, Will Howard has been very good, having the best freshman season than any K-State QB in our lifetime and he's going to be a witch for anyone to unseat.
Wow, MakeItRain watches one Iowa high school football game and decides that Jake Rubley will be the worst QB to ever play at K-State. Remarkable.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on October 29, 2020, 04:40:05 PM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.
never won a meaningful game.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)

Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.

yeah, but also smoked loads of cigs
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Also, freshman Josh Freeman was not very good.
never won a meaningful game.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/1e9d20e6ec0e541ab00392a00bcf498d/tenor.gif)

Still hating, all these years later. He had four touchdowns and the offense scored 45 in the only the second win against a top 5 team in the history of the program.
Also led us to a win down 10 with 3 minutes left against OSU.

yeah, but also smoked loads of cigs

I've heard from a very reliable source that he was drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes the night before the ku game  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
He was passed out on a pool table at a party the night before a game. He didn't gaf! I saw it with my own two eyes. He was a very dislikable person to be around. But hey, he beat Texas. That was cool. Never had a win vs Nebraska, Mizzou, or KU. It's ok, guys. You don't have to like every K-State player that walks through that door. Thomas Clayton was a d bag too.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 29, 2020, 05:06:50 PM
I have been around him once (1nce) and he was very likable


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 05:11:18 PM
College version Freeman was not tho. That’s my point. Growing up a die hard K-State fan, it sucked seeing he didn’t gaf about our cats. Hearing him tell people he was going to make a bronze statue of his male genitals once he hit 1000 girls was embarrassing too. I’ll take this to my grave! :shakesfist: He was overrated.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
Sorry, Will, didn’t mean to ruin your thread. Go cats!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: mocat on October 29, 2020, 05:17:52 PM
That is the they forgot our appetizer order of qb reviews
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on October 29, 2020, 05:19:25 PM
I'm still undecided. I'd like to hear more stories like the bronze male genitals statue one.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 05:20:27 PM
That is the they forgot our appetizer order of qb reviews
Yeah, winless against all 3 of your rivals and shitty college stats. Woof! What a shitty argument on my end.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 06:30:22 PM
If we go into Morgantown and William gashes them he will become a legend.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 29, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
does MIR stand for Make It Rubley?
I think it might
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
He had a 50 percent completion percentage and a TD/INT ratio of 6/15.  There were flashes (and ‘06 OSU is one of my favorite games OAT), but for the most part, Freeman was buttcheeks his freshman year.

He got really good after that though.

And bringing this around to what my point was, Will Howard has been very good, having the best freshman season than any K-State QB in our lifetime and he's going to be a witch for anyone to unseat.
Yeah my take isn’t scorching or anything.  I agree - Will’s done a good job so far this year, but there’s plenty of time for Rubley to unseat him over the course of their respective careers.  If Rubley approached his recruitment/commitment expecting to be the day 1 starter wherever he ended up (I don’t know if that’s the case and I kind of doubt it is), he was likely going to be disappointed wherever he went.

In any case, good problem to have.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: tdaver on October 29, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?

How did you guys get this thread so far off track?  CK7 is the obvious answer.  He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.

Unless wetwillie just can’t spell.  In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
You vision quest trail running craft brew drinking son of a bitch
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 29, 2020, 09:42:11 PM
His ability to run the ball is sneaky stout.

He’s got a stout stott.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: mocat on October 29, 2020, 09:50:16 PM
Scary stout is an incred name, whoever posted that like a week ago
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2020, 09:57:54 PM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?

How did you guys get this thread so far off track?  CK7 is the obvious answer.  He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.

Unless wetwillie just can’t spell.  In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]

wow, I didn't remember that game. We were tied 28-28 with 8 minutes left in the second quarter and trailed 55-28 at the half. Freeman had 478 yards passing. Unreal

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

also came across this which is very weird https://www.joebucsfan.com/2020/01/josh-freeman-and-the-fbi/
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2020, 10:20:28 PM
His stats were gross. We hyped him up because he came to us and punched #Nebraska in the face and was a solid recruit via rivals. I’ll never understand why ppl raise him up so highly, when he was so mediocre. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html. Him and Blaine Gabbert are probably on speed dial.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 29, 2020, 10:23:56 PM
Wackster did he bang your girl?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2020, 10:29:51 PM
Don’t engage wacky’s nonsense
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2020, 02:09:42 AM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?

How did you guys get this thread so far off track?  CK7 is the obvious answer.  He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.

Unless wetwillie just can’t spell.  In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]

also came across this which is very weird https://www.joebucsfan.com/2020/01/josh-freeman-and-the-fbi/

I can't imagine a more despicable species than an NFL fanatic from the tampa area. So gross.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: puniraptor on October 30, 2020, 02:44:57 AM
i took a photo with freeman and grant gregory when they were loitering outside the pigaggie cotton bowl
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: puniraptor on October 30, 2020, 02:54:57 AM
i took a photo with freeman and grant gregory when they were loitering outside the pigaggie cotton bowl

oh yeah carson coffman was there too
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 30, 2020, 07:23:02 AM
That’s an incredibly elite photograph.  A veritable who’s who of Wildcats Legends.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 8manpick on October 30, 2020, 08:01:23 AM
Who is the last kstate QB that had a “canon”?

How did you guys get this thread so far off track?  CK7 is the obvious answer.  He was the only QB that I remember being publicly outspoken about following a canon.

Unless wetwillie just can’t spell.  In that case Poet Warrior has the answer.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow[/youtube]

wow, I didn't remember that game. We were tied 28-28 with 8 minutes left in the second quarter and trailed 55-28 at the half. Freeman had 478 yards passing. Unreal

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

also came across this which is very weird https://www.joebucsfan.com/2020/01/josh-freeman-and-the-fbi/
Ugh... I do. My 21st birthday was the next day, and my HS buddy whose dad played at OU was in town. I was very optimistic at 28-28, and mercilessly taunted by halftime :(
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on October 30, 2020, 08:29:02 AM
of course freemaw banged wackster's girl.  would be pretty hard for these two emaw poonhounds to not be eskimo bros
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 30, 2020, 08:44:38 AM
He pounded/banged my lil emaw heart, by being a lifetime loser during my college years.  :cry:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2020, 09:02:34 AM
I think Will puts on a show in front of all his family and friends from Pennsylvania tomorrow.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 10:50:09 AM
CYBORG EATS MOUNTAIN MAN ON HALLOWEEN, TUNE IN OR TUNE OUT.  I'LL BE BACK
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: star seed 7 on October 30, 2020, 12:24:07 PM
Will "The Terminator" Howard, a sophisticated gunslinger cyborg sent to the past to protect the future of cat football
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2020, 01:07:13 PM
He’s going to throw a 50 yard bomb rolling out left across his body and blow a kiss to officer daris as he trots down the sideline.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 02:19:32 PM
the last time the CYBORG took the field, he threw a ball that disintegrated before reaching his targeted receiver.  will it happen again?  tune in to find out.

the FBI is suggesting that officials need to wrap the football he throws with a heat shield similar to that which was used on the space shuttle.  which also turns out to be the CYBORG's preferred mode of transportation.


 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: star seed 7 on October 30, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Could the CYBORG throw himself and if so would the CYBORG be able to handle the g's?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
CYBORGs don't have blood
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KITNfury on October 30, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
CYBORGs don't have blood
LCIQ
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on October 30, 2020, 09:10:59 PM
CYBORGs don't have blood
LCIQ
it’s not blood, it’s plasma
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 30, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
CYBORGs don't have blood
LCIQ
it’s not blood, it’s plasma

I thought there was plasma IN blood  :confused:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 30, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Guys, I hope we're talking about Will with as much gleefulness tomorrow after the game.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Brock Landers on October 31, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
He doesn’t do stupid crap which is pretty remarkable as a true freshman


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Two risky throws on the first possession  :blindfold:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 31, 2020, 11:19:38 AM
Let’s not discount the possibility that he sucks crap


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 11:20:36 AM
Yea that ship has sailed, he definitely does not suck crap
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 31, 2020, 11:24:12 AM
He has sucked crap on several passes already
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 31, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
He’s not very good
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 31, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
Very unlike Howard. Is he on the take?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 11:45:21 AM
He has sucked crap on several passes already

Do you know how the game is played.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 31, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
Will admit Howard is on the road to being benched at halftime if he can't get it going. Sad, I want him to be good so badly and he has shown ability the last few weeks.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
What are you saying; you crap on him in the first game he started.  You know the biggest nose picking nerds are first to slam the players.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 31, 2020, 12:04:39 PM
What are you saying; you crap on him in the first game he started.  You know the biggest nose picking nerds are first to slam the players.
He’s not very good.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
He's not very good at all. we currently have the worst QB in the B12
hopefully all this helps him in the future.
you can't have the worst QB in the league and make the championship game
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Brock Landers on October 31, 2020, 12:22:10 PM
Congrats kashi, you must really be savoring this moment.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on October 31, 2020, 12:25:06 PM
Carson Wentz sucks too.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 31, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
He's not very good at all. we currently have the worst QB in the B12
hopefully all this helps him in the future.
you can't have the worst QB in the league and make the championship game

Did you watch the TT, TCU, or KU game? Howard has been awful this game but he isn't worse than the above 3.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kstatefreak42 on October 31, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
Will Howard has to have one of the weakest arms in D1. No zip whatsoever good lord
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 12:27:12 PM
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/l4EoPVpwvZ4QAGCLm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 12:28:45 PM
He's not very good at all. we currently have the worst QB in the B12
hopefully all this helps him in the future.
you can't have the worst QB in the league and make the championship game

Did you watch the TT, TCU, or KU game? Howard has been awful this game but he isn't worse than the above 3.
yes i watched those games. that is part of the reason i say he is the worst QB in league. almost zero impressive throws this whole season. most are ducks or inaccurate. nothing against him. he isnt supposed to be playing. but its just the facts. even his complete passes are inaccurate
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 12:33:25 PM
Howard is not good.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
These WR's aren't very good either.  He's not totally to blame, but mostly is.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Hey Pete eff you
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 12:43:46 PM
Pretty good TD pass to Knoles!!!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2020, 12:45:14 PM
Pretty good TD pass to Knoles!!!
Not bad!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Katpappy on October 31, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Half time adjustments will be interesting.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 12:55:55 PM
Pretty good TD pass to Knoles!!!
it was ok. threw it too late and WR had to stop his route to catch it which almost allowed defender to knock it away. a good throw would have lead the WR and not made him stop in his tracks. thats my point. on most of his completions they are not put in to good positions and WRs have to slow down or twist to catch them. as most freshmen except the OU guy he throws way too late as well. you can't wait until the receiver looks open.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 31, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
If Will Howard is a guaranteed five year starter at kstate I might have to cancel my season tickets 😕
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Gooch on October 31, 2020, 01:32:02 PM
Not great.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster?  Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2020, 01:33:06 PM
I'm gonna come out and say it: I don't think Will Howard finishes the season with a 3:1 TD:Int ratio
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:34:41 PM
Should have had another pick 6 right there.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 31, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
Should have had another pick 6 right there.
Yeah. Looked like he was throwing a softball over there.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
I'm gonna come out and say it: I don't think Will Howard finishes the season with a 3:1 TD:Int ratio

Are you counting the ones he throws to the other team?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 31, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
 
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster?  Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.

I honestly think he’ll be a decent backup for rubley next year
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 31, 2020, 01:37:30 PM
I'm now concerned what I was hoping was poor footwork and mechanics is not the problem and that Will Howard does indeed have a weak arm. I can't figure it out.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
LOL, Howard chose KSU over Harvard and Yale!  That fool could have had an Ivy League degree and instead he'll be a commercial insurance salesman with a K-State degree.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 31, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
I'm now concerned what I was hoping was poor footwork and mechanics is not the problem and that Will Howard does indeed have a weak arm. I can't figure it out.

Let me help you out, it’s all of the above
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2020, 01:40:30 PM
The CYBORG needs a tune up
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
I need to chill out.  I'm to the point where when I see his face I get angry.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 01:43:22 PM
i dont see 1 thing he is great at or would attract an offer from a legit P5 program. Glad we got Rubley. there are too many top QB recruits out there for us not to get 1 at least every other year. but we dont. when we play WVU they always look bigger and faster. especially faster. we HAVE to recruit better size and speed everywhere. cannot compete with a bunch of hard working, but slow white kids from rural KS
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on October 31, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
The KSU QB approach should forever be finding the closest to Bishop/Ell/Sams.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
I need to chill out.  I'm to the point where when I see his face I get angry.

Yea what’s up?  Did you let yourself get invested in cats football again?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
LOL, Howard chose KSU over Harvard and Yale!  That fool could have had an Ivy League degree and instead he'll be a commercial insurance salesman with a K-State degree.

V weird takes from you today, he is studying mechanical engineering
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
LOL, Howard chose KSU over Harvard and Yale!  That fool could have had an Ivy League degree and instead he'll be a commercial insurance salesman with a K-State degree.

V weird takes from you today, he is studying mechanical engineering

1. I bet you he won't make it past differential equations, and will end up with a construction science degree, if he's lucky.  LOTS of freshman have started out studying Engineering.  LOL.

2. You think he has a shot at playing football on the next level?!?!  He could have had a top Ivy degree, and passed on it. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
At that height with those good looks, he would make a hell of a commercial construction bonds salesman.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 31, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
HE STINKS


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on October 31, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
HE STINKS

So does the entire offense

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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
I'm gonna come out and say it: I don't think Will Howard finishes the season with a 3:1 TD:Int ratio

Does the pick 6 count as both?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster?  Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.

I honestly think he’ll be a decent backup for rubley Thompson next year

:crossfingers:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 31, 2020, 02:44:27 PM
You know how people always say the most popular player is the backup QB? Well, we will luckily not have to deal with that!


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on October 31, 2020, 02:46:51 PM
howard looks like a decent backup option to me. they say is a dual threat QB but if I rank all the QBs in the B12 by their running ability I would say Howard is the worst runner in the league. the KU freshman could be a star in the old snyder system
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:47:37 PM
HE STINKS

So does the entire offense

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The receivers somehow had their worst game of the year, by far. I'd say the fact that they haven't found a single receiver who can't even play is astounding. The only receiver in the '19 and '20 classes with a catch is Keenan Garber, a Snyder recruit with 1 catch for 9 yards.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on October 31, 2020, 02:47:57 PM
Howard may still be good!  He was thrust into a really crummy situation - by that I mean he’s a true freshman playing in an offense with a below average OL and a WR Corp that sucks complete crap. 

He was really bad today though.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 02:48:09 PM
Kashi, shut up, Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
Howard may still be good!  He was thrust into a really crummy situation - by that I mean he’s a true freshman playing in an offense with a below average OL and a WR Corp that sucks complete crap. 

He was really bad today though.
Yep
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on October 31, 2020, 02:55:41 PM
Howard may still be good!  He was thrust into a really crummy situation - by that I mean he’s a true freshman playing in an offense with a below average OL and a WR Corp that sucks complete crap. 

He was really bad today though.
I agree with this stance.

He won a road game and has now lost one.

He has a chance to improve still, especially if he can get more decisive.

The early pick spooked (pumpkin emoji) him and he never got it back.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: mocat on October 31, 2020, 02:55:49 PM
Think how much worse the score would have been if it was freemaw tossing the rock all over the yard
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on October 31, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
Think how much worse the score would have been if it was freemaw tossing the rock all over the yard
No mocat! NO!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2020, 03:01:26 PM
Think how much worse the score would have been if it was freemaw tossing the rock all over the yard

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 31, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
Is it possible that he is actually the worst scholarship QB on our roster?  Mind you, I judge QB's by how they play in games, and not by how tall they are or how their throwing motion looks in practice.

I honestly think he’ll be a decent backup for rubley Thompson next year

:crossfingers:

This. I’m down to go Sklar 3:16 another year. Howard as backup, redshirt Rubley.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on October 31, 2020, 07:41:58 PM
howard looks like a decent backup option to me. they say is a dual threat QB but if I rank all the QBs in the B12 by their running ability I would say Howard is the worst runner in the league. the KU freshman could be a star in the old snyder system

He’s far too slight and would be broken in half.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2020, 10:57:02 PM
I think it's worth considering that ksu hasn't had a true freshman qb other than freemaw in the modern era. We don't know what they're normally like!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
Snyder would have played DJamer Render in the wildcat before letting Will play.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on October 31, 2020, 11:02:39 PM
I personally hate that we don’t have a fast/athletic backup QB. Feels yucky.


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on November 01, 2020, 10:31:44 AM
howard looks like a decent backup option to me. they say is a dual threat QB but if I rank all the QBs in the B12 by their running ability I would say Howard is the worst runner in the league. the KU freshman could be a star in the old snyder system

He’s far too slight and would be broken in half.
as a true freshman you make a good point. But give him a couple years to add 20-25 pounds and I like him. He's an outstanding runner and his arm looks as good any anyone in the league right now outside of Rattler. Now i'm not sure if he has any of the other capabilities like reading defenses but he looks to have the physical talent. not sure about the mental talent yet. Snyder seemed to like the guys like this. Make sure they have the physical ability then teach them the rest. I dont see the basic physical ability with Howard. he may be great in the brain i hope thats enough
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on November 01, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
Kashi, shut up, Jesus Christ.
do u disagree? if u do, please name the B12 QB who is not a better runner than Howard. because i went through all of them in my head and its not even particular close.
The B12 has a lot of great running QBs.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 01, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
I think it's worth considering that ksu hasn't had a true freshman qb other than freemaw in the modern era. We don't know what they're normally like!

Except that we see other teams do it all the rough ridin' time.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 01, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
I think it's worth considering that ksu hasn't had a true freshman qb other than freemaw in the modern era. We don't know what they're normally like!

Except that we see other teams do it all the rough ridin' time.  :rolleyes:

do you see many that are like, good, and not a five star at Bama or Clemson? Other than KU's QB that you and kashi are in love with.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 01, 2020, 06:14:16 PM
I rewatched the first half of the WVU game and reality hit me like a ton of bricks.  He doesn’t have great arm, and it might not even be good :frown:, I let my emotions blind me from Rick Daris’s cold clinical assessment.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kim carnes on November 01, 2020, 07:41:27 PM
I’ve watched like 10 plays all season and my gut instinct is that he is not good.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2020, 11:07:28 PM
I personally hate that we don’t have a fast/athletic backup QB. Feels yucky.


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We do

http://www.hudl.com/v/2Aurvf

First four minutes is of him dropping dimes, the last minute is of him running the option and looking like Aaron Rodgers when the pocket breaks down. I was disappointed to see Nick Ast instead of Lewis against WVU.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on November 02, 2020, 07:48:09 AM
Howard will be good, but he's a true freshman; it's going to take some time.

Any chances we had of winning the conference this year disappeared when Thompson was injured for good.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on November 02, 2020, 07:56:00 AM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ChiComCat on November 02, 2020, 08:15:28 AM
Would've been much more fun to watch Holcombe
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 02, 2020, 08:46:34 AM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.

Wiley is the only player that did the kicking of ass instead of the getting ass kicked
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 02, 2020, 08:56:49 AM
Kashi, shut up, Jesus Christ.
do u disagree? if u do, please name the B12 QB who is not a better runner than Howard. because i went through all of them in my head and its not even particular close.
The B12 has a lot of great running QBs.

Doege appeared to have about 0% interest in running the ball. We gave him ample opportunities and he was like nah
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on November 02, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
I personally hate that we don’t have a fast/athletic backup QB. Feels yucky.


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We do

http://www.hudl.com/v/2Aurvf

First four minutes is of him dropping dimes, the last minute is of him running the option and looking like Aaron Rodgers when the pocket breaks down. I was disappointed to see Nick Ast instead of Lewis against WVU.

What have you done to me?  I'm not ready to be hurt again.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2020, 09:21:54 AM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.

 this is a great point
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: _33 on November 02, 2020, 03:25:03 PM
Although there's been a ton of discussion focused on Howard after WV, it's good to keep in mind that the entire team got its entire ass kicked. Like, if the team had been better, Howard would have been better even if he played at the same level.

 this is a great point

Should that make a person feel better or worse?  I dont know for sure.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 07, 2020, 05:36:19 PM
Why is Will Howard still playing quarterback for K-State?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 07, 2020, 05:56:48 PM
Let’s just give him an academic scholarship and wish him the best, and get him the eff out of there.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 05:57:26 PM
He does not have “it”
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2020, 06:02:45 PM
He does not have “it”
An offensive line?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
A good grip on the football
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: KITNfury on November 07, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
woof
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on November 07, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
his big mistakes today were not caused by a bad OL. He had plenty of time to throw at the end of the game but chose to force it. He fumbled on his own in the open field. He missed a couple open receivers. He shouldn't be playing but Snyder/Klieman were unable to secure an actual backup QB. thats the coaches fault
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 06:32:05 PM
I really thought the staff  liked Jaren Lewis but he must be dog crap if Will is the better option.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2020, 06:38:52 PM
Verdict: Higher ceiling and floor than Hubes, but not by a wide margin.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 06:46:29 PM
Kid has moxie but he can't throw the ball at all, not even a little bit. That missed hitch route to Taylor was comically bad.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
Maybe better than Brock Purdy, Jesus he's a turnover machine. That guy has regressed a ton.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 06:48:58 PM
Yea if he doesn’t fumble we likely win, the QB read was really effective today. I thought he would throw a better ball than Skylar but he doesn’t so that sucks.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
Feel bad for him irl


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on November 07, 2020, 09:21:58 PM
Not that good yet!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
Kid has moxie but he can't throw the ball at all, not even a little bit. That missed hitch route to Taylor was comically bad.

yeah, this is where I'm at. I like him but he is not good and I don't think he will be good. does that make sense? also he's a kid so maybe he's going to be good later but man I don't see it.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 09:49:33 PM
Honestly we should just put 15 more pounds of muscle on his lower half and use him like Klein. He doesn’t have Skylar’s lateral movement but he gets upfield well and is a one cut runner.  If they have to account for him in the run game he can still make serviceable throws to our TE and FB’s and occasionally find a wide open WR when teams put 8 in the box.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
Honestly we should just put 15 more pounds of muscle on his lower half and use him like Klein. He doesn’t have Skylar’s lateral movement but he gets upfield well and is a one cut runner.  If they have to account for him in the run game he can still make serviceable throws to our TE and FB’s and occasionally find a wide open WR when teams put 8 in the box.

He's bigger than Collin was as a true freshman.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 07, 2020, 11:10:34 PM
Collin barley played before his Jr year.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 11:22:25 PM
Collin barley played before his Jr year.

He sorghum played after that.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on November 07, 2020, 11:24:49 PM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 07, 2020, 11:29:15 PM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash
I’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.

None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball.  People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2020, 11:39:08 PM
Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2020, 11:41:12 PM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash
I’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.

None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball.  People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.

they should call more touchdowns and/or 60+ yard plays
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 07, 2020, 11:41:18 PM
Collin barley played before his Jr year.

He sorghum played after that.

But only played limited millets as a freshman and soph.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 07, 2020, 11:51:25 PM
Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.
Like the 4 star quarterback we’re bringing in next year or the slew of promising young linemen?

You can’t really build a power run oriented, pro style offense from scratch in two years.  WR is really the only position I’m concerned about moving forward, but I like the ‘21 guys.  Particularly Garcia.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 12:05:18 AM
Deuce might be B12 freshman of the Year (but he can only do so much)
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on November 08, 2020, 12:18:19 AM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash
I’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.

None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball.  People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
you’re not confused about anything, but you can ask for an explanation
his job, our oc’s, is to put his players in positions to succeed.  play to his strength and protect his weaknesses
just seems to me that he’s asked to do a bit more than he’s ready or capable of doing

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: sys on November 08, 2020, 12:42:31 AM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash
I’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.

we have a running back shaped exactly like a bowling ball.  i'm no football genius, but i think if we ran plays where we let him work up a head of steam and then received the football he'd be pretty hard to tackle.

also we did that at least twice today and he did seem hard to tackle and also it was fun to watch.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 08, 2020, 05:03:50 AM
Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.
Like the 4 star quarterback we’re bringing in next year or the slew of promising young linemen?

You can’t really build a power run oriented, pro style offense from scratch in two years.  WR is really the only position I’m concerned about moving forward, but I like the ‘21 guys.  Particularly Garcia.


It’s fun seeing you put in a position to praise the OL recruiting. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on November 08, 2020, 07:27:58 AM
Will Howard is slightly below average when he's not giving the ball to the other team.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 08, 2020, 08:20:37 AM
Recruiting better players is a pretty big part of being an OC.
Like the 4 star quarterback we’re bringing in next year or the slew of promising young linemen?

You can’t really build a power run oriented, pro style offense from scratch in two years.  WR is really the only position I’m concerned about moving forward, but I like the ‘21 guys.  Particularly Garcia.


It’s fun seeing you put in a position to praise the OL recruiting.
Not as good as it could have been, but if you look across the board, I think we’ll have one of the better lines in the conference in 2022 with a line full of young guys.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 08, 2020, 08:34:50 AM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash
I’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.

None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball.  People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
you’re not confused about anything, but you can ask for an explanation
his job, our oc’s, is to put his players in positions to succeed.  play to his strength and protect his weaknesses
just seems to me that he’s asked to do a bit more than he’s ready or capable of doing
Of course he’s being asked to do more than he’s ready for, he’s a true freshman.  Thems the breaks though for that youngster. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 08, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
We somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Kat Kid on November 08, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
We somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger

briley moore being out did not help
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 08, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
We somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger

I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 09:57:41 AM


I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
We somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger

I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.

Yeah I disagree when the defense is as good as it has been most of the year. It's sure more boring to watch three and outs but probably gives us a better chance to win.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 08, 2020, 10:19:31 AM


I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
We somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger

I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.

Yeah I disagree when the defense is as good as it has been most of the year. It's sure more boring to watch three and outs but probably gives us a better chance to win.

Scoop and score not withstanding, you think the third quarter was better for the defense than the fourth? If we're turning the ball over, that means we're taking chances and moving the ball. I believe the defense was on the field for 11 minutes of the third quarter and that was with us starting with the ball.

I'd also point out that you've made a departure from our fake season philosophy. Why not let the kid play, it's high risk low reward?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2020, 10:28:50 AM




I mean there's a reason we kept trying to run and ran that bootleg with a three yard pass to Dineen like a dozen times
We somehow need to get way more aggressive yet keep Howard in his comfort zone. #Humdinger

I don't care about the turnovers if the alternatives are three and outs.

Yeah I disagree when the defense is as good as it has been most of the year. It's sure more boring to watch three and outs but probably gives us a better chance to win.

Scoop and score not withstanding, you think the third quarter was better for the defense than the fourth? If we're turning the ball over, that means we're taking chances and moving the ball. I believe the defense was on the field for 11 minutes of the third quarter and that was with us starting with the ball.

I'd also point out that you've made a departure from our fake season philosophy. Why not let the kid play, it's high risk low reward?

Well you can't discount the scoop and score because that's my whole point.

And I think playing ball control offense is an important part of Howard's development, at least as much letting him sling it all over the field is if not more (if you can call his passing "slinging")
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 08, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
More like Will Coward
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on November 08, 2020, 11:06:41 AM
would be nice if his offensive coordinator would put him in a position to be successful, but alas, courtney is trash
I’m confused about what plays people think we should be running but aren’t running.

None of our wide receivers are good and neither is the quarterback and we’re also not very food at running the ball.  People tend to crap on OCs but the more likely and more boring answer is that almost all of our offensive players suck.
you’re not confused about anything, but you can ask for an explanation
his job, our oc’s, is to put his players in positions to succeed.  play to his strength and protect his weaknesses
just seems to me that he’s asked to do a bit more than he’s ready or capable of doing
Of course he’s being asked to do more than he’s ready for, he’s a true freshman.  Thems the breaks though for that youngster. 
ready for?
Howard should never be asked to throw the ball beyond the hash marks for the remainder of his career
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2020, 12:15:03 PM
Hey dudes, i know u you love the cats but idk if it’s necessary to online bully a teenager
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: pissclams on November 08, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
he’s not a member here tbh
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on November 09, 2020, 11:38:41 AM
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 11:51:59 AM
Man the helmets in 2006 were so primitive compared to today’s
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 09, 2020, 01:52:29 PM
so he's telling us there's still some hope that we can enjoy the same level of success that we had during the prince years? h*ck yeah!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 09, 2020, 02:53:31 PM
i thought it was a pretty apt comparison to show that a true freshman QB's performance isn't necessarily indicative of where he'll be when he's all grown up.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 09, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
For Will Howard as a human, I legit hope he tries to find out if those Ivy League offers are still good if he enters the portal, and then transfers to an Ivy and becomes a fabulously rich, tall, handsome investment banker relationship sales guy, and does nothing but play golf and smile the rest of his life.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 05:15:55 PM
i thought it was a pretty apt comparison to show that a true freshman QB's performance isn't necessarily indicative of where he'll be when he's all grown up.

It was pretty clear that Freemaw had a cannon w/ NFL potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRi05ubQ-I

(first half is Leon Patton, fast forward to about the 3 minute mark)   :Ugh:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on November 09, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
(first half is Leon Patton, fast forward to about the 3 minute mark)   :Ugh:

I watched it all!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Purple Apathy on November 09, 2020, 05:27:08 PM
i thought it was a pretty apt comparison to show that a true freshman QB's performance isn't necessarily indicative of where he'll be when he's all grown up.

It was pretty clear that Freemaw had a cannon w/ NFL potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRi05ubQ-I

(first half is Leon Patton, fast forward to about the 3 minute mark)   :Ugh:

Not a fan of Freeman, but the dude could sling the football. However, I don't know what he'd do with our current wideouts. Has anyone else noticed that lack of separation our guys get? When they do actually get open, it is 50/50 on whether or not Howard can actually throw a catchable ball and then 50/50 on whether or not our WR will actually catch the ball. Basically, it feels like we have a 25% chance of completing a pass.

Anybody have the numbers of Howard's completion % for throws over 10 yards? I just don't understand how someone that big has such a weak arm. A few weeks ago, I was convinced it was just poor mechanics and him aiming the ball rather than letting it rip. Sadly, I've moved into the camp of him just having a weak arm. Hope I'm proven wrong.........
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 8manpick on November 09, 2020, 06:17:35 PM
Should be obvious, but football has changed a ton since 2006. Direct numbers comps aren’t that useful.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 09, 2020, 06:30:37 PM
We don’t need Howard to be Freeman.  We just need him to be a good Big 12 qb.  He’s not that right now, but neither was Freeman as a Freshman.

Howard has good tools.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
How can you not be a fan of Freemaw? Guy was an absolute stud.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 06:46:06 PM
A Skyler vs. Howard comparo would have been much more interesting (even though Sky had a redshirt and split time w/ Delton)
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
A Skyler vs. Howard comparo would have been much more interesting (even though Sky had a redshirt and split time w/ Delton)
Please don’t disrespect Sky like that, ever again!

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/skylar-thompson-1.html
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 08:28:33 PM
A Skyler vs. Howard comparo would have been much more interesting (even though Sky had a redshirt and split time w/ Delton)
Please don’t disrespect Sky like that, ever again!

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/skylar-thompson-1.html

actually also not a really fair comparison because Sky had two NFL WR's
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on November 09, 2020, 08:44:46 PM
Wr is a huge problem. Howard has been pretty good


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:03:04 PM
Lol, I like Zuber and Pringle, but come on. They’re fringe NFL guys. I doubt Zuber will be on a roster next year, once there’s a vaccine. It’s a weird year in the NFL. The eye test is night and day between the two, in their first years seeing action. Yes, Sky had the RS year.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2020, 09:10:41 PM
Anyone who thinks Skylar Thompson is anything close to how good of a quarterback as Josh Freeman was is huffing paint. Freeman's freshman year had the worst supporting cast and coaches of any other Kansas State quarterback since 1988.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 09:14:06 PM
Malik Knowles has similar potential to Zuber, it’s not not really a stretch to think he could make a roster.  The knock on Malik is he drops tons of balls and so did Zuber.  Briley Moore will make a 53 Man roster.  Duece, Moore, Malik are solid targets to work with.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
Who compared sky and freemaw?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Malik Knowles has similar potential to Zuber, it’s not not really a stretch to think he could make a roster.  The knock on Malik is he drops tons of balls and so did Zuber.  Briley Moore will make a 53 Man roster.  Duece, Moore, Malik are solid targets to work with.
Agreed. He seems to only trust Taylor too. Lot’s of one look targets to him.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Who compared sky and freemaw?

I actually misread your post. I do think young Sky is better than freshman Howard, I think Sky is better in every way. Young sky was annoying because he held on to the ball way too long, but that was clearly a function of coaching because my guy Sisco had the same problem. If I thought that Howard could throw the ball, I'd be more confident with his development than Skylar's, but I don't think he can, and coaching isn't going to close that gap.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2020, 09:33:37 PM
100% agree with everything you just said there.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 09, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
Goodman what a beautiful post.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 09, 2020, 10:20:19 PM
Freeman's freshman year had the worst supporting cast and coaches of any other Kansas State quarterback since 1988.
Lol what

There aren’t that many years where K-State has been more loaded at the skill positions than Freeman’s freshman year. 

His OC/QB coach was James Franklin.

If the 2020 team had Jermaine Moreira, I think we’d be considerably better, let alone Yamon or Jordy.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 09, 2020, 10:34:48 PM
Mastrud also played in the league (don't think he played much in 2006 though)
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: tdaver on November 09, 2020, 10:46:20 PM
and James Johnson (also spent a little time on an NFL roster) in the backfield
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on November 09, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
The 2006 staff was pretty badass too.

James Franklin
Ricky Rahne
Scott Frost
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2020, 11:10:43 PM
Freeman's freshman year had the worst supporting cast and coaches of any other Kansas State quarterback since 1988.
Lol what

There aren’t that many years where K-State has been more loaded at the skill positions than Freeman’s freshman year. 

His OC/QB coach was James Franklin.

If the 2020 team had Jermaine Moreira, I think we’d be considerably better, let alone Yamon or Jordy.

The offense that year was a goddamned disaster, unquestionably the worst in since Snyder arrived. Having a bunch of first year, non contributing talent, and some coaches who have had some varying degrees of offensive success doesn't change that. I've said this before, but the offense Freeman's year was crap because they weren't running an offense for him. He and the offense were better in '07 & '08 because the players were better and the coaches figured out that throwing the ball a ton with a guy who was good at throwing the ball, was the way to go.

List all your dumb names, that 2006 offense was a horror show and I don't know how you could lay that at the feet of the best player on the team.

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 09:01:53 AM
Man, Josh Freeman was the weak link on the 2006 offense (as far as skill position players go...honestly don't remember the state of the OL).  He threw plenty.  The offense wasn't great because Dylan was no good and neither was freshman Freeman. 

I will list out "all the dumb names" that you call "the worst supporting cast since 1988": Jordy (NFL); Figurs (NFL); James Johnson (NFL); Thomas Clayton (NFL); Jeron Mastrud (NFL); Jermaine Moreira; Rashaad Norwood.  The only "first year" guy there was Johnson, who was a juco transfer and legit very good in 2006. His quarterbacks coach was James Franklin and his offensive coordinator was also James Franklin.  Prince was a monster, obviously, but otherwise, that's a pretty ideal scenario (especially personnel wise) if you're going to turn things over to a true freshman QB.
 
Let's look at his splits:

Baylor [the game when Freeman took over for good] - L 17-3: 11-33 for 196 yards and 3 INTs.  He only played in the second half.

OSU [first start] - W 31-27: 10-15 for 177 yards.

Nebraska - L 21-3: 23-47 for 272 yards and 2 INTs.

Missouri - L 21-41: 5-19 for 63 yards and 2 INTs.

Iowa State - W 31-10: 14-20 for 161 yards, 1 TD (his first passing TD) and 1 INT. 

Colorado - W 34-21: 22-26 for 251 yards, 2 TD. 

Texas - W 45-42: 19-31 for 269 yards, 3 TD 1 INT. 

KU - L 39-20: 23-44 for 244 yards, 3 INTs.

Rutgers - L 37-10: 10-21, 2 INTs.

On the season, 140-270 for 1780 yards, 6 TDs, 15 INTs.  Unless we're grading him on the "well he was a freshman" curve, Freeman was not good in 2006. 

The 2006 offense was OK -- not great not horrible. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2020, 09:07:58 AM
wait, do we think will has taken up smoking cigs?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on November 10, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
wait, do we think will has taken up smoking cigs?

My cousin's roomates BF said they saw Will sleeping on a pool table in the middle of the party the friday before the OSU game after OD'n on cigs.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Trim on November 10, 2020, 09:23:35 AM
DJDT has really spurred a lot of football discussion!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2020, 09:25:14 AM
wait, do we think will has taken up smoking cigs?

My cousin's roomates BF said they saw Will sleeping on a pool table in the middle of the party the friday before the OSU game after OD'n on cigs.

F&%$!!!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 09:47:37 AM
It’s revisionist history to say he was playing with NFL guys as if they don’t improve over time.  I mean he got drafted higher than anyone listed.  Also basically having no chemistry with the surrounding cast plays a big part in how a QB will perform. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
Lack of work ethic, FP, etc. :shakesfist:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
It’s revisionist history to say he was playing with NFL guys as if they don’t improve over time.  I mean he got drafted higher than anyone listed.  Also basically having no chemistry with the surrounding cast plays a big part in how a QB will perform.
Jordy was a junior and Figurs was a senior.  Am I saying that the surrounding cast was the best K-State's ever had?  No.  I'm saying that calling it the worst since 1988 is hilarious.  It's lightyears better than the non-QB offense we're currently trotting (heh) out there.

FWIW, I really like Freeman and acknowledge that he was a great college QB for K-State.  But come on - he stank his true Freshman year, as almost every college QB would.  And he didn't stink because the rest of the offense was devoid of talent. 

Obviously we're putting the cart way before the horse if we're comparing Howard to one of the best QBs K-State's ever had, but I think Howard would probably look better than he does if he had Jordy/Yamon/Moreira lined up at WR instead of Knowles/Brooks/Render.  Jordy/Yamon/Moreira is damn near the best WR group K-State's ever had.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 10, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 11:48:13 AM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.
Yeah I don't necessarily think Jordy/Yamon/Mo was the best, but it's in the conversation.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 12:02:11 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’s
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: cfbandyman on November 10, 2020, 12:03:21 PM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.

IDK if Harper/TLBL/TT were necessarily the best, but they were the perfect trio in terms of what all 3 brought to the table IMO. I pretty much look for who fills those 3 roles in our WRs since then.

Harper was the perfect box out, create space, hard to tackle guy who you could count on to get that 8/9 yards (w/e) to get that first down. TLBL wreaked havoc all over the field and could spread the defense out and be that big play guy. TT was slightly overlooked but probably the most sure handed and you knew could come up with that big catch and get himself open in critical situations (@ OU in 2012 is a great example of this). I loved all 3 of them and want us to have 3 guys who can do that.

Honestly with this team you kinda have the box out guy in Moore, but you don't really have the deep threat and sure handedness one.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 12:14:02 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’s
OL returned 4 starters!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 10, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
Harper/TLBL/TT i could put above that trio but i might just be saying that because 2012 was so much more successful of a year than Jordy/Yamon/Moreira ever had. Aaron Lockett/Quincy Morgan were always nails but 3rd best receiver seemed like was always a distant 3rd.

IDK if Harper/TLBL/TT were necessarily the best, but they were the perfect trio in terms of what all 3 brought to the table IMO. I pretty much look for who fills those 3 roles in our WRs since then.

Harper was the perfect box out, create space, hard to tackle guy who you could count on to get that 8/9 yards (w/e) to get that first down. TLBL wreaked havoc all over the field and could spread the defense out and be that big play guy. TT was slightly overlooked but probably the most sure handed and you knew could come up with that big catch and get himself open in critical situations (@ OU in 2012 is a great example of this). I loved all 3 of them and want us to have 3 guys who can do that.

Honestly with this team you kinda have the box out guy in Moore, but you don't really have the deep threat and sure handedness one.

agreed they were the equivalent of a golf scramble where you got someone who can hit the long drive, someone good with the irons, and someone who can chip/putt.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: stunted on November 10, 2020, 12:34:38 PM
Saw a comment that Rubley been hating on Howard on Twitter  :Wha:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’s
OL returned 4 starters!

Probably NFL guys
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’s
OL returned 4 starters!

Probably NFL guys
Probably better than the year before
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Skipper44 on November 10, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’s
OL returned 4 starters!
including Matt Boss - the patient zero of fp, tc etc
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
Saw a comment that Rubley been hating on Howard on Twitter  :Wha:

nope
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
They will be roommates and best friends and each others biggest champion
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 'taterblast on November 10, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Saw a comment that Rubley been hating on Howard on Twitter  :Wha:

nope

he liked a few tweets that said things like "how soon can you get here" when people were pissed at howard. doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cardiac Cats on November 10, 2020, 06:53:43 PM
Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 10, 2020, 08:34:27 PM
Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.
To be fair, Evridge, Lopina, and Dyls were fairly ballyhoo’d recruits.  Lopina and Meier transferred after ‘05.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
Man, Josh Freeman was the weak link on the 2006 offense (as far as skill position players go...honestly don't remember the state of the OL).  He threw plenty.  The offense wasn't great because Dylan was no good and neither was freshman Freeman. 

I will list out "all the dumb names" that you call "the worst supporting cast since 1988": Jordy (NFL); Figurs (NFL); James Johnson (NFL); Thomas Clayton (NFL); Jeron Mastrud (NFL); Jermaine Moreira; Rashaad Norwood.  The only "first year" guy there was Johnson, who was a juco transfer and legit very good in 2006. His quarterbacks coach was James Franklin and his offensive coordinator was also James Franklin.  Prince was a monster, obviously, but otherwise, that's a pretty ideal scenario (especially personnel wise) if you're going to turn things over to a true freshman QB.
 
Let's look at his splits:

Baylor [the game when Freeman took over for good] - L 17-3: 11-33 for 196 yards and 3 INTs.  He only played in the second half.

OSU [first start] - W 31-27: 10-15 for 177 yards.

Nebraska - L 21-3: 23-47 for 272 yards and 2 INTs.

Missouri - L 21-41: 5-19 for 63 yards and 2 INTs.

Iowa State - W 31-10: 14-20 for 161 yards, 1 TD (his first passing TD) and 1 INT. 

Colorado - W 34-21: 22-26 for 251 yards, 2 TD. 

Texas - W 45-42: 19-31 for 269 yards, 3 TD 1 INT. 

KU - L 39-20: 23-44 for 244 yards, 3 INTs.

Rutgers - L 37-10: 10-21, 2 INTs.

On the season, 140-270 for 1780 yards, 6 TDs, 15 INTs.  Unless we're grading him on the "well he was a freshman" curve, Freeman was not good in 2006. 

The 2006 offense was OK -- not great not horrible.

Fan listed objective statistics that shows unquestionably that the 2006 offense was the worst offense here since 1989. Without looking I would have said that both 2004 and 2005 were worse, but facts don't care about my feelings. The 04' and 05' teams were more efficient. Also outside of Jordy and Mastrud to a lesser extent, you need to stop calling those other guys NFL players, it's intellectually dishonest. Also James Franklin has been shown to be a good head football coach, I'm not sure why you're presenting him as an offensive genius, that's never been a hallmark of his teams at Vanderbilt or Penn State.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2020, 09:34:30 PM
Freeman was also playing behind 265 pound OT’s
OL returned 4 starters!

I guess we're conflating returning with good, KU has been playing that shell game for three decades.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 11, 2020, 07:17:53 AM
I don’t think points per play and turnovers per play are be all end all stats for an offense.  Anyway, I wonder why we had so many turnovers...probably not because of an inexperienced quarterback.

I’m not saying these “NFL” guys were all-Americans, I’m saying they were good enough to get at least a cup of coffee in the league.  K-State hasn’t had a TON of those guys at the skill positions over the years.  Having 5 on one team probably hasn’t happened very many other times.

That you called it the worst supporting cast since 1989 is crazy, and now you’re doubling down.  You can just say you were exaggerating and we can all move on.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 11, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Will Howard is better than bazooka joe but worse than Kody Cook at qb.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.
To be fair, Evridge, Lopina, and Dyls were fairly ballyhoo’d recruits.  Lopina and Meier transferred after ‘05.
Yeah, part of the deal for him to commit (Freeman), was for others to get prince'd. Didn't Evridge transfer that year too? He was getting rocked the previous season anyways.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: ben ji on November 11, 2020, 12:57:15 PM
Imagine prior recruiting classes that required a true freshman Freeman to start.. what a world.
To be fair, Evridge, Lopina, and Dyls were fairly ballyhoo’d recruits.  Lopina and Meier transferred after ‘05.
Yeah, part of the deal for him to commit (Freeman), was for others to get prince'd. Didn't Evridge transfer that year too? He was getting rocked the previous season anyways.

Yeah, Evridge never played for Prince.

I was a big Evridge fan in 2005  :cry:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 01:13:02 PM
Meier didn't transfer. Evridge left during 06 training camp.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2545009
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 11, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
Evridge QB’d the worst KSU game I ever attended and went on to QB some of the worst Wisconsin games I ever watched. Very versatile at sucking crap.


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 11, 2020, 01:18:03 PM
lmao. Webb is QB of record.

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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
Evridge QB’d the worst KSU game I ever attended and went on to QB some of the worst Wisconsin games I ever watched. Very versatile at sucking crap.


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what's remarkable is I'm looking at the 2005 scores and games he QB'd and there are multiple options.
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Post by: ben ji on November 11, 2020, 01:39:07 PM
lmao. Webb is QB of record.

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That box score  :lol:

Snodgrass was 0/2 on XP and missed a FG too

Marcus watts had 2 PR for -4 yards
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: nicname on November 11, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
Will Howard is better than bazooka joe but worse than Kody Cook at qb.

Kody Cook was pretty fun vs OSU
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2020, 02:32:17 PM
I dated a girl who was roommates with a girl hooking up with Snodgrass. I was at their place when the news officially announced Prince. Next thing I know, I hear him shout: "I'm not playing for that N(bad word)!"

Pretty big "WTF?!" moment for me. Stayed far away from that dude after that.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 11, 2020, 03:01:50 PM
gah


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
I don’t think points per play and turnovers per play are be all end all stats for an offense.  Anyway, I wonder why we had so many turnovers...probably not because of an inexperienced quarterback.

I’m not saying these “NFL” guys were all-Americans, I’m saying they were good enough to get at least a cup of coffee in the league.  K-State hasn’t had a TON of those guys at the skill positions over the years.  Having 5 on one team probably hasn’t happened very many other times.

That you called it the worst supporting cast since 1989 is crazy, and now you’re doubling down.  You can just say you were exaggerating and we can all move on.

Maybe those 90-92 teams were crap, I don't know. I do know those freshmen on the 90 team accomplished a hell of a lot more than the freshmen on the 06' squad. I'll hedge, that '06 team was worse offensively than any LHC Bill Snyder team after 1990 and any Chris Klieman team at K-State, including this one.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DQ12 on November 11, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
I don’t think points per play and turnovers per play are be all end all stats for an offense.  Anyway, I wonder why we had so many turnovers...probably not because of an inexperienced quarterback.

I’m not saying these “NFL” guys were all-Americans, I’m saying they were good enough to get at least a cup of coffee in the league.  K-State hasn’t had a TON of those guys at the skill positions over the years.  Having 5 on one team probably hasn’t happened very many other times.

That you called it the worst supporting cast since 1989 is crazy, and now you’re doubling down.  You can just say you were exaggerating and we can all move on.

Maybe those 90-92 teams were crap, I don't know. I do know those freshmen on the 90 team accomplished a hell of a lot more than the freshmen on the 06' squad. I'll hedge, that '06 team was worse offensively than any LHC Bill Snyder team after 1990 and any Chris Klieman team at K-State, including this one.
Well maybe the team was worse, but I'm not pinning Freeman's freshman TD/INT ratio on Andrew Erker.  But the offense had some really good parts, including one of the best WRs K-State's ever had, and also another really good WR, and then another pretty good WR too!  Plus pretty good RBs!

Not for nothing, but that 2006 team's starting linebackers were Archer, Diles, and OG Reggie Walker.  Plus Rob Jackson and Justin Roland (who I love).  That 2006 team should have been awesome.

Without thinking too hard about it, 2015's surrounding cast was way worse than 2006.  The leading WR on that team was Deante Burton.  Charles Jones and Silmon in the backfield.

Hell, I'd say 2006 surrounding cast was better than 2008 too.  You put Junior Josh Freeman on that 2006 team and that offense is salty AF. 

Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 12, 2020, 11:16:42 PM
I think a lot of people, maybe even most people, would have died from the hit that Evridge took at Texas Tech. He was running straight upright and fumbled the football, but he's a survivor. A survivor who sucks crap at football.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
I think a lot of people, maybe even most people, would have died from the hit that Evridge took at Texas Tech. He was running straight upright and fumbled the football, but he's a survivor. A survivor who sucks crap at football.

:thumbs:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2020, 11:38:06 PM
Well said


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2020, 07:53:00 AM
Evridge stole my dream girl at K-State. He's living a good life. It was all worth it.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: meow meow on November 13, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
is there a k-state footballer that hasn't stolen wacky's girl?  honest question
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2020, 08:27:24 AM
is there a k-state footballer that hasn't stolen wacky's girl?  honest question
Carson Coffman. He married a studly cats volleyball player, bud.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Skipper44 on November 28, 2020, 06:05:41 PM
maybe Howard is mudder?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Skipper44 on November 28, 2020, 06:08:46 PM
maybe not
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on November 28, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
That's was a comically bad pass there.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2020, 06:09:52 PM
NOT GOOD AT ALL


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2020, 06:10:03 PM
ACTUALLY EXTRAORDINARILY BAD


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Somehow he has become progressively worse every game which i didn’t think was possible
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: TaqMan on November 28, 2020, 06:19:45 PM
Somehow he has become progressively worse every game which i didn’t think was possible

This is true  :Yuck:
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2020, 06:29:38 PM
HE’S SUPER SHITTY GUYS


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 06:31:01 PM
I mean our WR’s aren’t the best but Taylor was as open as you are going to get. 
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: sys on November 28, 2020, 07:02:31 PM
what did you do to the baylor game thread, chingon?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on November 28, 2020, 07:06:56 PM
Not sure what happened, an accident I think, but but me
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 28, 2020, 07:08:35 PM
Another crisp pass by our guy will
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2020, 07:08:39 PM
BAD AS crap GUYS


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on November 28, 2020, 07:09:28 PM
Will Howard is not a D1 quarterback
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
MIR will always have his Mahomes call.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 28, 2020, 07:12:24 PM
Will Howard is not a D1 quarterback

Northwest Missouri and Pitt State probably each have 3 guys on their rosters better than Will Howard.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 07:14:28 PM
Please for the love of god just run the ball and quit making him throw it.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 28, 2020, 07:15:12 PM
I honestly don't understand why they let him throw.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on November 28, 2020, 07:15:58 PM
Just rough ridin' line Trotter up as the QB, and do nothing but QB dives and handoffs to Deuce.  Maybe, MAYBE, mix in some options.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
Just rough ridin' line Trotter up as the QB, and do nothing but QB dives and handoffs to Deuce.  Maybe, MAYBE, mix in some options.
100%
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 07:22:55 PM
I honestly don't understand why they let him throw.

Just run the CK offense and only let him throw when they put 9 in the box to stop us
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: jc_jax on November 28, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
I think the WRs should run behind the defensive backs and tell him to throw to the DBs.  Ball should float right to our guys.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
MIR will always have his Mahomes call.

Even though I hedged it, this take was 50 times worse than how good the Mahomes take was. He's the worst starting K-State quarterback I've ever seen, Bazooka Joe was 100% better.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2020, 08:25:16 PM
I FEEL BAD FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAS TO KNOW HOW BAD HE IS AND YET THEY MAKE HIM KEEP DOING IT!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
MIR will always have his Mahomes call.

Even though I hedged it, this take was 50 times worse than how good the Mahomes take was. He's the worst starting K-State quarterback I've ever seen, Bazooka Joe was 100% better.
Eh
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 08:32:54 PM
I FEEL BAD FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAS TO KNOW HOW BAD HE IS AND YET THEY MAKE HIM KEEP DOING IT!

His demeanor says he still thinks he’s a world beater which is something
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 28, 2020, 08:36:35 PM
He has the demeanor you want from your backup quarterback. Maybe he can become a decent backup at some point. Like we don't want to burn the stud freshman's redshirt, so we let Will Howard play the 4th quarter when we are up 30 during his junior year or something.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Chingon on November 28, 2020, 08:37:41 PM
I think he should be called Will Hamburger. Don't know why.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
He has the demeanor you want from your backup quarterback. Maybe he can become a decent backup at some point. Like we don't want to burn the stud freshman's redshirt, so we let Will Howard play the 4th quarter when we are up 30 during his junior year or something.

I like this.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 08:41:29 PM
I think he should be called Will Hamburger. Don't know why.
sounds similar to Neil Hamburger. And he's a little beefy!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 28, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
He's really good!
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 08:46:17 PM
He'll eff something up on the next drive, 100%. Either that or Mess won't let him by calling only runs.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Cire on November 29, 2020, 09:57:32 AM
He’s just not very good.

Save us rubley wan, you’re our only hope


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Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
First
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:35:57 AM
That INT was just as bad as the one they dropped and the pass that hit the umpire, he kept pushing his luck in the middle of the field and his luck ran out.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:47:05 AM
Throw over the top to knowles was great and so was his deep ball to Taylor, it maddening how inconsistent he is.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
Freshman QB without an off season to prepare.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: kashi1965 on December 05, 2020, 11:52:30 AM
Freshman QB without an off season to prepare.
he's worse than a freshman QB without an off season to prepare. He's the worst i've ever seen. being serious
and he's had 2 months of taking all the snaps in practice and has not improved one bit
either they recruited the wrong guy or they can't coach QBs. there is no reason a P5 freshman QB should be this bad. there is not good but this is terrible
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:56:05 AM
Freshman QB without an off season to prepare.
he's worse than a freshman QB without an off season to prepare. He's the worst i've ever seen. being serious
and he's had 2 months of taking all the snaps in practice and has not improved one bit
either they recruited the wrong guy or they can't coach QBs. there is no reason a P5 freshman QB should be this bad. there is not good but this is terrible

Who are you arguing with?
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
Throw over the top to knowles was great and so was his deep ball to Taylor, it maddening how inconsistent he is.

Look at that tight window cannon! I'm sure a pick 6 is coming.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
lol, almost
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:58:03 AM
Will Howard is complete trash.
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 12:00:04 PM
Throw over the top to knowles was great and so was his deep ball to Taylor, it maddening how inconsistent he is.

Look at that tight window cannon! I'm sure a pick 6 is coming.

Yea it’s like his mind thinks he can throw it like Mahomes and his body says helll noooo
Title: Re: How good is Will Howard???
Post by: Pete on February 19, 2021, 06:25:48 AM
So, good news.  Indy is closer than Philly, so our search for adequate backup quarterback recruits might have just taken a turn for the better!