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Post by: EMAWforever on May 24, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
He has been on the job 6 months and not one gottdamned victory.You mean we lost the scrimmage? Dang we suck
Post by: pissclams on May 24, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
why isn't this thread pinned?done
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Post by: Winters on May 26, 2019, 08:48:28 AM
Pissclams is an American treasure. Can only hope he joins my FF trivia team.why isn't this thread pinned?done
Post by: catbacker 73 on May 28, 2019, 05:34:32 PM
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2019, 08:49:22 AM
Except for the fact that this whole thread is nothing more than raillery, I'd say fire all you MutherFockers.
Agree to disagree, I guess.
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Fire his assI'm not sure anything can stop his ass though
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Fire his assI'm not sure anything can stop his ass though
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Can it
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Post by: manpow5 on June 06, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Pete_Francis/status/1136805330506145799?s=19
Post by: lakesbison on June 07, 2019, 11:50:00 PM
this is Grade A Turd Thread
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Post by: catbacker 73 on June 09, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
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slap yo friggin mouth boy!
this is Grade A Turd Thread
lakesbison, I do believe we got us some of them there Rooshun Bots posting here to create more chaos.
Post by: slackcat on June 12, 2019, 05:59:14 AM
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2019, 11:28:22 AM
He chased off Anthony Payne! :curse:
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Post by: catbacker 73 on June 14, 2019, 03:27:08 AM
Yuck Foo if you're #2. Huzzah if you're #1.
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Can his ass at the royals game, kc people.
Tiny little boys who know knowing about effort and what it takes to succeed.
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https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1143198848837455882?s=19
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https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1141854995576266752
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Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on June 26, 2019, 09:29:48 PM
I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if he Nigerian buybacks his way back to NDSU. Uses your lower tier program for a pay raise, opens eyes at prestigious NDSU, and they open up the check book to bring him home.
Post by: pissclams on June 27, 2019, 09:23:03 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 27, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
i would like nothing more than for this poor man's woody harrelson to return to his losery roots
He's the Amish guy in Kingpin. Woody is better than he is even with a prosthetic hand.
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on June 27, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
i would like nothing more than for this poor man's woody harrelson to return to his losery rootsHe loses?
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 27, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
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CB73 the extra steps you take when quoting someone...i'm both impressed but also highly confused. you are an enigma wrapped in a mystery.
That makes two of us confused. I'm having to use code now rather than getting all the links above.
Makes me wonder if I pissed someone off.
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Post by: catbacker 73 on June 29, 2019, 12:16:15 AM
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Maybe they will take Fargo Gene back too.
Pathetic!
The winningest coach in all of college football and you JAY-Huksters aren't even giving him a chance.
YUCK-FOO. Go play with yourselves in Jay-Hukster stadium with it's plastic cover and filth covered seating while eating the "Grass.".
You all deserve Mess Lieles and his movies.
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Post by: catbacker 73 on June 29, 2019, 12:54:40 PM
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Are you having a stroke?
Nope. Had some before. They're a damn sight less painful than writing off HCCK before giving him a chance.
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Post by: Katpappy on July 03, 2019, 05:10:49 PM
have you ever considered posting in the pit?
What have you created! :surprised:
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have you ever considered posting in the pit?
Been there. Done that.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 03, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 04, 2019, 05:10:20 AM
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Oh snap. Looks like we got a badass over here.
Offered appointment to Annapolis, 10 bazillion males, No rough ridin' way I spend my time with 43 Million males.
Full ride to Dartmouth, at $43 GAZILLION. Nope, they even offered my father teaching/coaching job and family a house in NH with all expenses paid.
Who, in their right mind, would want to live in Northern Nh?
Badass? Nope, just not stupid. Although I did score in the top 3% of my year(ACT).
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 04, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
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Oh snap. Looks like we got a badass over here.
Offered appointment to Annapolis, 10 bazillion males, No rough ridin' way I spend my time with 43 Million males.
Full ride to Dartmouth, at $43 GAZILLION. Nope, they even offered my father teaching/coaching job and family a house in NH with all expenses paid.
Who, in their right mind, would want to live in Northern Nh?
Badass? Nope, just not stupid. Although I did score in the top 3% of my year(ACT).
Why take the time to write something like that when nobody gives a eff?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 04, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
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Why take the time to write something like that when nobody gives a eff?
Did your Oppo research for you.
Plus, I'm just an old man and at my age we get to bend rules, a bit. (Damn, son, I worked on the JFK campaign, RFK, campaign, sit ins and protests for MLK.)
So my opinion about HCCK, based on experience, carries just a bit more weight than yours.
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Wait what happened when this thread was created.Zuber I think
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 05, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
goEMAW is getting trolled like Arkansas got trolled..Catbacker 73 is real treat..🤩:jerk:
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Post by: Katpappy on July 05, 2019, 06:30:47 PM
'73 is no pigfuker, for sure
Pigfuker wouldn't stoop that low.
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 06, 2019, 03:48:08 AM
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Pigfuker wouldn't stoop that low.
You're correct. Growing up in a tiny village of 127, 000, with the busiest Army base during the Viet Nam war and 4 High Schools in town, the smallest was 400, the largest over 3500, we learned to walk proudly and tall.
In my brief time of 6 years there, three of the schools won 2 to 5 State Football Championships in their class.
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Secsecsec
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Post by: Katpappy on July 06, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
oops, forgot to note that my Soph year started out as SS in our 43 D, but got moved to SLB -- my apologies
cathotsmoker:
"In my brief time of 6 years there, three of the schools won 2 to 5 State Football Championships in their class"
Good story, but you need to make up your mind about the number. :confused:
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Katdaddy3,500 - 5A won 5
Good story, but you need to make up your mind about the number. :confused:
1900 - 4A won 2
400 - 1A won 4
Back then 1A-4A each had 8 Districts of 8 teams each. 8 Teams made the playoffs. You either won your District and moved on, or you didn't. Wasn't any of this 2nd chance bulShyte as here in Ks.
5A had 6 Districts of 6. Again, you either won and went on or your season was over. BTW, everyone played 11 regular season games.
My two favorite stories:
1. We had won our District 17 straight years and after year 7, nobody in our district would play us. Quote from the other ADs and Coaches; "You designate who you want to be your District games and we will approve them. We are not playing you any more."
Honest to god, we sometimes had games 8 hours, one way, away. We'd leave early Friday after a team breakfast and get back 3-4 Saturday morning.
2. We had black players on our team like all the teams in the city did and once in a while that caused problems. Now, remember this was the 60s. After one game, where we beat a REDNeck azzHole 4A team, as the team bus was heading to supper (by state law if any athletic event cause missing a meal, the school had to pay to feed everyone.) The team bus was being hassled by pickup trucks with "Macho Men" hollaring racist stuff and just being pains.
Again, remember this was the 60s and when a Coach said jump, the correct answer was "How High." If you had to run, you N-E-V-E-R asked how far. But as the bus pulled into the diner where we were going to eat, the team, to a man, told the Coaches they had some business to take care of and the Coaches were TOLD to go into the diner.
The Coaches actually left, asking no questions. When the team got into the diner about 15 minutes later, nobody said word one. But we never got hassled by any team we played or their people ever again.
Might be my Absolutely Proudest time as a football team member.
Last point, sorry to go on so long, but every Sunday football players from all the schools met in one of the huge parks in town and we played touch/tackle football in sweats. Honest to Gawd, I never heard one rough ridin' racist comment either year I played. As long as you were an upright-non-cheater everyone got along.
Fun note, soon to be OU QB Steve Davis and some of his friends and players we competed against would slip over from Salisaw and Muldrow and join us on Sundays. He was a couple of years younger than me but we tried to kill each other in the football games and then always had a great time at track meets. Both of us threw the shot and discus.
1973 Steve Davis
1974 Steve Davis
1975 Steve Davis
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2019, 11:48:58 AM
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SpracneWrong one.
Yes, Steve Davis from Meade, KS
Davis was born on Barksdale Air Force Base in Bossier City, Louisiana, but was raised in Sallisaw, Oklahoma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Davis_(quarterback)
Post by: 0.42 on July 08, 2019, 06:28:02 PM
Wait what happened when this thread was created.
ran out of toner
Post by: wetwillie on July 08, 2019, 06:51:07 PM
Wait what happened when this thread was created.
ran out of toner
Crock pot
Post by: Trim on July 10, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1149031354765647873
Post by: Katpappy on July 10, 2019, 02:23:49 PM
CAN HIS ASS
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1149031354765647873
This clearly shows the amount of respect they have for effhead. :buh-bye:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 07:57:29 AM
That is too high for TCU....their QB situation is rediculas.I still can't believe we allowed Delton to transfer in conference without any penalty like a normal person should do. I mean, yeah, he can't throw, so I get it.
Post by: CHONGS on July 11, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
ISU is now king of the nortardsISU will suck as always.
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 11, 2019, 04:43:17 PM
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hot stud Seth LittreLL would have had us at least 5th
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After so many years of frustration, the Mean Green came up with a nine-win season with a shot at the Conference USA title, but the defense left the building for the rematch of a regular season game against Florida Atlantic – the Owls hung up 110 points in the two wins – followed up by a 50-30 blowout loss to Troy in the New Orleans Bowl.https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/06/north-texas-mean-green-college-football-preview-2018
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Since Klieman joined the program the Bison haven’t failed to win the Missouri Valley Conference and have won six national championships in seven seasons with a shot at seven titles in eight years if they can advance next weekend in the semifinals.(seven titles in eight years, which they did)
You take "Lai-Trail", fold him five times and put him where the moon don't shine.
I'll take HCCK 7 days of the week and FKUC "Lai-Trail"
Post by: manpow5 on August 05, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
https://twitter.com/arnegreen/status/1158406708504485888?s=19
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As long as we don't have to do the whole bend don't break crap, I don't care.
Post by: catbacker 73 on August 20, 2019, 02:53:52 AM
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is that music i hear? you know who else allowed music at kstate football practices?
Tater, Tater, Tatter, the list below includes several "decent" :lol:teams who use music during their practices too.
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"I go through a practice without music and I think that's really weird," Wisconsin coach Gary Andersen.
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assistant coach at Georgia Tech, Penn State coach Bill O'Brien says teams need to practice with this tempo in practice and with the distractions of a glass-shattering crowd. Proponents believe fast-paced music offers a solution for both, while also being viewed as a morale booster.
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Hazell is one of the many believers in music in the Big Ten Conference, along with O'Brien, Andersen, Illinois coach Tim Beckman, Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio and Indiana coach Kevin Wilson.
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Teams such as Wyoming, Oregon, Utah, UCLA, Arizona and Louisiana-Lafayette also use the tempo system,
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Louisiana-Lafayette coach Mark Hudspeth -- Music isn't always a panacea for uninspired football or a catalyst for communication. The song, like any college football player, must rise to the occasion.
"We tried country one practice, but we had to start practice over," Hudspeth says. "It didn't resonate, even for the guys who like country."
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Post by: KSURFC8 on September 03, 2019, 08:58:07 AM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.
If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.
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Post by: 'taterblast on September 03, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.
If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.
This program was built on the mantra of "No I in team" and the 16 goals. After Saturday I'm feeling more like it's "There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game. Did you hear the pregame music?
Post by: KSURFC8 on September 03, 2019, 12:05:41 PM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.
If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.
This program was built on the mantra of "No I in team" and the 16 goals. After Saturday I'm feeling more like it's "There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game. Did you hear the pregame music?
No but I think that was more because of either ESPN+ not providing me the opportunity, me not listening for it or a combination of both.
My personal opinion is that (a) you wish that HCBS was still HC and would therefore find any reason to hate his replacement and (b) our team for the last couple of seasons was not very good. Yesterday's team, with basically the same players as at least last year's performed way better than they did last year (I concede it was one game) so I'm thinking I really don't GAF about what music, if any, is played when the team departs the locker room or whether or not they carry some hand painted block of wood with them.
They can all stroll out at a leisurely walk and if they continue to win like they did yesterday, I'm good with that.
Post by: meow meow on September 03, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 03, 2019, 12:34:31 PM
"There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game
lol
Post by: IPA4Me on September 03, 2019, 12:44:02 PM
your getting trolled hard, no one liked the block of wood except mitch holtusI wish you'd have waited a few more posts to let the cat out of the bag.
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Post by: 'taterblast on September 03, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.
If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.
This program was built on the mantra of "No I in team" and the 16 goals. After Saturday I'm feeling more like it's "There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game. Did you hear the pregame music?
No but I think that was more because of either ESPN+ not providing me the opportunity, me not listening for it or a combination of both.
My personal opinion is that (a) you wish that HCBS was still HC and would therefore find any reason to hate his replacement and (b) our team for the last couple of seasons was not very good. Yesterday's team, with basically the same players as at least last year's performed way better than they did last year (I concede it was one game) so I'm thinking I really don't GAF about what music, if any, is played when the team departs the locker room or whether or not they carry some hand painted block of wood with them.
They can all stroll out at a leisurely walk and if they continue to win like they did yesterday, I'm good with that.
Okay this Saturday you can meet me in Section 17 Row 34 to explain to my 3 year old child what the person on the loud speaker means when they say "F..." and the rest of the word is edited out.
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on September 03, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
Okay this Saturday you can meet me in Section 17 Row 34 to explain to my 3 year old child what the person on the loud speaker means when they say "F..." and the rest of the word is edited out.:sdeek: Goodness. What music did they play? Old school gangsta rap? I was not there, nor could I hear through ESPN+, please share a playlist or an approximate description (edited to G-rated, of course!).
Post by: 'taterblast on September 10, 2019, 07:20:19 AM
Okay this Saturday you can meet me in Section 17 Row 34 to explain to my 3 year old child what the person on the loud speaker means when they say "F..." and the rest of the word is edited out.:sdeek: Goodness. What music did they play? Old school gangsta rap? I was not there, nor could I hear through ESPN+, please share a playlist or an approximate description (edited to G-rated, of course!).
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3hm9fYbZUyi6VeuV3E71jo?si=0rhhE8O9Q563eo5Aq0VghQ
i guess we're trying to be Miami now. what's next, a turnover chain?
Post by: meow meow on September 10, 2019, 08:17:25 AM
pound the stone to purple
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Post by: 'taterblast on October 01, 2019, 09:35:19 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly).
holcombe redshirted last season so that doesn't apply here. which makes it confusing. he's going to have to sit out his sophomore year with a chance to start somewhere as a junior, which is when he would have been in line to take over for thompson.
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 01, 2019, 09:38:38 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly).
holcombe redshirted last season so that doesn't apply here. which makes it confusing. he's going to have to sit out his sophomore year with a chance to start somewhere as a junior, which is when he would have been in line to take over for thompson.
@mocat get in here
This either sounds like he a huge dumbass or something else is going on.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2019, 09:44:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 01, 2019, 09:46:28 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly).
holcombe redshirted last season so that doesn't apply here. which makes it confusing. he's going to have to sit out his sophomore year with a chance to start somewhere as a junior, which is when he would have been in line to take over for thompson.
Seems like a candidate to play JUCO instead of sitting out. I suppose the prospect of playing TE the rest of the year was enough to peace out before the season though.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2019, 01:42:17 AM
I don’t think this year will count. It will be like he never played, right?
It counts, you don't get two redshirt seasons. He can play next season if he goes FCS. If he plays FBS the next time he sees the field he will be a redshirt junior.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2019, 05:49:40 AM
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Tim McManusESPN Staff Writer
PHILADELPHIA -- Safety Malcolm Jenkins was asked for a favorite memory of running back Darren Sproles, and instead offered a striking thought.
"Every time I think about Darren, it's really one thing that constantly pops into my head," Jenkins said of his Philadelphia Eagles teammate. "He makes you reconsider if you want to be great."
He makes you reconsider if you want to be great.
Jenkins has seen Sproles' meticulous approach up close for nine years now -- first as his teammate with the New Orleans Saints and now in Philadelphia. He knows how hard Sproles trains. How he takes care of his body. How he always goes full speed at practice, even at age 36. That he habitually finishes every rep, not stopping until he's in the end zone. That he has done this day after day, year after year, without complaint. Jenkins, like most who have come into contact with Sproles, marvels.
PHILADELPHIA -- Safety Malcolm Jenkins was asked for a favorite memory of running back Darren Sproles, and instead offered a striking thought.
"Every time I think about Darren, it's really one thing that constantly pops into my head," Jenkins said of his Philadelphia Eagles teammate. "He makes you reconsider if you want to be great."
He makes you reconsider if you want to be great.
"Not many people can emulate that, which is why he is where he is," Jenkins said.
Sproles is closer to history, needing 35 yards against the Green Bay Packers on Thursday (8:20 p.m. ET, Fox) to move into fifth place all-time in NFL all-purpose yards, jumping over Tim Brown (19,682) and into the company of Jerry Rice (23,546), Brian Mitchell (23,330), Walter Payton (21,803) and Emmitt Smith (21,564).
Olathe North principal and former running backs coach Jason Herman: "Darren was so fast that they said, 'You have to run between the tackles.' If he ran a sweep, he was gone. There was nothing anyone could do about it so they said he had to stay between the tackles to make the game more fair. Well, that didn't work."
Wier: "The infamous one was his daddy, the first time he ever scored a touchdown, his daddy just reamed him because he spiked the ball. He was in like second or third grade and his dad got after him, and he never did that again.
Of note, Sproles' nine career return touchdowns (seven punt returns, two kick returns) are tied for sixth most in NFL history.
Smith: "His senior year, we begged him to come back and he did. We're playing Louisiana early in the season, and Darren runs for like 250 in the game, has some unbelievable numbers, but he fumbled twice. We go in Sunday morning to grade the film -- our staff room overlooked the stadium -- and we just see this guy out there running. Running plays by himself with a ball in his hand. It was Darren. Here's our best player, our All-American, our guy. He knows he's going pro, but just to see him take that part of his game so serious. And what he did is he took the game script out there and ran every play over, and just was carrying the ball, making moves on air. I don't want to make it sound like a movie but it's true, man. The dude was unbelievable. I tell people I've been fortunate to coach a lot of unbelievable players, but by far the best player I've ever coached was Darren."
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Longtime trainer Todd Durkin: "When I think of Darren, I think way back to the days of LaDainian Tomlinson, when LT took Darren under his wing, brought him into the gym. Those two training together was like watching Ali and Frazier train together, man. My first impression is, 'Does this guy really play in the NFL?' He looks like a high school kid. And then when I saw him start to move, I'm like, 'My goodness. I thought LT had fast feet.' This guy had the quickest feet I've ever seen in my life."
Durkin: "I remember Darren specifically in a workout with LT, a future Hall of Famer, a guy like Drew, who had won a Super Bowl, and guys like Peanut Tillman, and Sprolsey just setting the tone in that workout. It got raised to an epic, iconic level on all aspects. Work, sweat, intensity, energy. I remember the music pumping. I didn't want that session to end because I knew someday the magic in that room was going to end. And it was Darren that set the tone.
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"No one else sees, day in and day out, every single day of the week from February through July, the sacrifice that guy makes to be one of the best all-time. I've been able to see that for 10 years, and it's not a surprise to me that when he gets this mark ... it's not a mistake. It's not something that a 5-6, 190-pound guy just stumbled across success on this. It's truly a testament to his character, his work ethic, his determination, his sacrifice, his everything. It's who Darren Sproles is."
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Rookie running back Miles Sanders: "That's my dog, man. That's the OG. I told him the first day I met him, I told him, 'For real, you've got all the respect out of me. Being your size, the position that we play in this league, and for you to be here for 15 years, I told him you've got all the respect out of me. I'm in his ear every day, asking him questions, how he thinks on certain runs and certain looks, basically just picking his brain."
Jenkins: "I feel like the last few years, especially with some of the injuries, he's contemplated whether he wants to hang up the cleats or not, I think it's kind of been a year-to-year thing, but I feel like I know him enough to know he can still do it, and he's got something about him that wants to go out with a bang. So it's not surprising for me to see how he's performing this season for us, and I have a feeling this is going to be a special year."
Only 15 players in NFL history standing 5-foot-6 or smaller have reached 1,000 all-purpose yards. No. 2 in that category, Buddy Young (1947-55), finished with 9,593 yards – more than 10,000 less than Sproles. History will judge him not on size but production, and will find in that respect, he stood shoulder to shoulder with Hall of Famers.
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Post by: KITNfury on October 05, 2019, 10:35:04 AM
Can you tldnr that?Sproles busts ass, it pays off, super stud
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Post by: DaBigTrain on October 05, 2019, 12:03:19 PM
Can you tldnr that?Sproles busts ass, it pays off, super stud
TY!
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Post by: Katpappy on October 06, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
I think the implication is when we can Kli we will hire proven winner Sproles and he won’t drive good recruits away because his face doesn’t look like shaved ham
You and I know this overblown pig snout wasn't worth a 7 time raise from MV coaching salary.
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PurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement
Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.
But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 07, 2019, 03:59:35 PM
QuotePurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement
Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.
But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Did we give Snyder a 700% raise to come here?
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Post by: Katpappy on October 07, 2019, 06:32:40 PM
QuotePurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement
Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.
But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Did we give Snyder a 700% raise to come here?
Guess I was wrong. When he was hired I had heard around $2.1 mil, but just googled and see that that eff head is making $3.5 mil. :surprised:
P.S. That over 1000%!
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Post by: Shooter Jones on November 24, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
Snyder didn't leave much, but it's hard to turnover a roster or build a program when everyone you bring in is leaving.
Glad I don't care as much this year or I'd probably be an idiot about it all.
Post by: KITNfury on November 24, 2020, 05:43:55 PM
I'm still being patient because this is a new age of college football w/ transfers and roster turnover, but something just doesn't feel right.Between covid and losing Thompson, I can let go of the losses pretty quickly. Am concerned about transfers.
Snyder didn't leave much, but it's hard to turnover a roster or build a program when everyone you bring in is leaving.
Glad I don't care as much this year or I'd probably be an idiot about it all.
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Post by: PurpleOil on November 28, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
QuotePurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement
Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.
But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Uh... I'm not seeing where I said this, and I certainly didn't say this last year with any sincerity.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
Does he have the balls to make staff changes?
I doubt he'll be allowed to in a pandemic. But the aw shucks bullshit has to stop.
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 10:47:18 PM
Does he have the balls to make staff changes?
I doubt he'll be allowed to in a pandemic. But the aw shucks bullshit has to stop.
Mess getting thrown under the bus!
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1332907491513036800
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Post by: PurpleOil on November 30, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
QuotePurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement
Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.
But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Uh... I'm not seeing where I said this, and I certainly didn't say this last year with any sincerity.
Okay, I found where I did say this, and can now completely say with 100% certainty, that I didn't mean it then. However...
... I understand that this year has been a very bad combination of Covid, QB injuries, and transfers. But if his 3rd season is anything like the second half of this one, I think it's perfectly reasonable to question giving him a 4th.
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Post by: KST8FAN on December 01, 2020, 03:26:52 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas?? :dunno:Ben Leber
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Post by: CHONGS on December 01, 2020, 03:34:03 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas?? :dunno:
I really liked The Secret Files of Dakota King book series as a kid.
Post by: Woogy on December 01, 2020, 03:36:37 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas?? :dunno:
We talking the HBO series "Deadwood" or Hitchcock's "North by Northwest"?
Post by: MadCat on December 01, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on December 01, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
Dances with Wolves?
I thought that took place in Kansas and Colorado.
Edit: Took place there, but was filmed in South Dakota and Wyoming.
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 07:51:16 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 02, 2020, 08:09:11 AM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas?? :dunno:Brock Lesnar, Gary Johnson, and Bob Barker.
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Post by: TheHamburglar on December 02, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
Have you guys been to the Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD? It’s a real treat.
It’s amazing how many of these types of references I get solely because I watched reruns of Road Rules when I was 11.
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 10:58:59 AM
Have you guys been to the Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD? It’s a real treat.
YES! And, I know where in the world Wall Drug is. :don'tcare:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 02, 2020, 11:24:19 AM
If the entire staff sucks this bad, maybe the HC does too.
Also, covid is not an excuse. It never has been and it just makes you look dumn
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Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2020, 12:14:12 PM
The staff is just fine.
yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.
Post by: Cire on December 02, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
The staff is just fine.
yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.
Agree, but I also thought Prince needed a full 4 years...
not comparing CK to RP, just in general it's not fair to fire CFB coaches after less than 4
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 02, 2020, 01:06:52 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid huskydogkid... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas?? :dunno:
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
The staff is just fine.
yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.
Agree, but I also thought Prince needed a full 4 years...
not comparing CK to RP, just in general it's not fair to fire CFB coaches after less than 4
for sure - RP's cultural/abuse issues aside, i think he was pretty much told he needed to win in year three which led to that ridiculous class of nothing but juco's and really hurt the program for the long term.
Prince might have done it anyway but I agree outside of abuse/massive coaching turnover every CFB coach deserves 4 years minimum.
Post by: 'taterblast on December 02, 2020, 01:43:59 PM
it's amazing how quickly things went to crap in the next calendar year, so much that absolutely no one disagreed with firing him.
Post by: ben ji on December 02, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
on 10/28/07 the cats were 5-3 with a win over no. 7 texas. prince was 12-9 overall and cats were on track to make a bowl game in both of prince's first two years.
it's amazing how quickly things went to crap in the next calendar year, so much that absolutely no one disagreed with firing him.
Things were so great that I joined ksufans right around that time and my screen name was "Prince's Jester". I figured it was a great long term name because ole RP would be kicking butt at KSU for years. The wheels came off pretty quick.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 02, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
on 10/28/07 the cats were 5-3 with a win over no. 7 texas. prince was 12-9 overall and cats were on track to make a bowl game in both of prince's first two years.still have a ron prince signed picture of everyone storming the field after that game. :emawkid:
it's amazing how quickly things went to crap in the next calendar year, so much that absolutely no one disagreed with firing him.
Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2020, 02:41:42 PM
Things were so great that I joined ksufans right around that time and my screen name was "Prince's Jester". I figured it was a great long term name because ole RP would be kicking butt at KSU for years. The wheels came off pretty quick.
:love:
shame yourself or stud thing brag thread, take your pick
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
The staff is just fine.
yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.
Agree, but I also thought Prince needed a full 4 years...
not comparing CK to RP, just in general it's not fair to fire CFB coaches after less than 4
for sure - RP's cultural/abuse issues aside, i think he was pretty much told he needed to win in year three which led to that ridiculous class of nothing but juco's and really hurt the program for the long term.
Prince might have done it anyway but I agree outside of abuse/massive coaching turnover every CFB coach deserves 4 years minimum.
And he got the win now directive because of the things that swirled around him, most of it his own doing, but some of the scrutiny was unfair.
Post by: Cire on December 02, 2020, 07:59:13 PM
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Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 08:49:07 PM
What was the point of the secret buyout thing that Krause did???
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It was a secret contract extension, and the reason was that everyone hated Ron's guts and would have been mad at Krause if he made it public.
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:20:08 PM
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
if texas fires their dude, we should fire kleesman and hire him, right?
We would never, but I like the idea.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:27:49 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 02:34:56 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?
Without question
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?
of course he could, what kind of a question is that?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:42:21 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?
of course he could, what kind of a question is that?
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:49:45 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:51:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
they scored 69 points today.
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?
He's gotten fewer and fewer top instate players each year he's been there. He got 3 last year 1 this year. Again, fox showed the graphic, I didn't. I haven't said anything remotely close to controversial.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:25:26 PM
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
they scored 69 points today.
Go tell that to orange bloods, I'm sure they're super happy about it. I'm sure they'll also ignore the fact their defense gave up 31 points in three quarters to checks notes, Will Howard.
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?
He's gotten fewer and fewer top instate players each year he's been there. He got 3 last year 1 this year. Again, fox showed the graphic, I didn't. I haven't said anything remotely close to controversial.
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?
He's gotten fewer and fewer top instate players each year he's been there. He got 3 last year 1 this year. Again, fox showed the graphic, I didn't. I haven't said anything remotely close to controversial.
He had two decommit this year late because it’s become clear they are going to fire him...
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:32:29 PM
I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 03:35:11 PM
Maybe we can get Gus? I suppose he's safe, you never know with those crazy Auburn fans.
take another swing at BV
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
Sure!Maybe we can get Gus? I suppose he's safe, you never know with those crazy Auburn fans.
take another swing at BV
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.
I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.
If you think Tom Herman failed at Texas due to lack of on field talent I just don’t even know what to say
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.
I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.
If you think Tom Herman failed at Texas due to lack of on field talent I just don’t even know what to say
I didn't say that. I'm not pretending to be familiar enough with their roster to know one way or another. I know Gus and Joel pointed out he's struggling to land the top in state talent and used a pretty pointed black & white fact to drive it home. I heard another person with seemingly a greater working knowledge of their roster than I do say after this season the job will be a rebuild.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 03:57:09 PM
I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:09:20 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?
I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?
I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.
Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:21:49 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?
I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.
Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.
I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 04:23:02 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
If he wins a ship here I will be stunned.
Just about any CFB coach that sticks at one place for 10 years gets one or get super close. If he builds a roster he'll definitely get close.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 05, 2020, 05:51:39 PM
He really can't have too many more of these blowouts to non-top 10 teams. that crap is demoralizing.
roster retention will be interesting to watch as well.
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 06:40:47 PM
I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
The only P5 coach that has been at one school for 10+ years and hasn't won a conference title is Cutcliffe at Duke. And he lost to a national champion in an ACC title game!
also interesting that there are zero coaches hired in 2012 that are still at that school.
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.They get compensated well for the scrutiny, but it is a tough gig. If you do well, the fans typically develop a tolerance to the win total and it takes more to satisfy. Once the junk loses potency, they want to move on to a new dealer.
I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
The only P5 coach that has been at one school for 10+ years and hasn't won a conference title is Cutcliffe at Duke. And he lost to a national champion in an ACC title game!
also interesting that there are zero coaches hired in 2012 that are still at that school.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?
I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.
Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.
I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)
I think oscar minus the roster resets and last place finishes is a good comparo.
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 07:48:33 PM
Maybe a bowl game
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Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 07:57:56 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?
I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.
Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.
I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)
I think oscar minus the roster resets and last place finishes is a good comparo.
yeah my main concern is roster retention/turnover/culture buy-in. He clearly wants to build w/ HS guys over long term but can't have attrition years like this one. IIRC last year's transfer portal wasn't as bad as this one, hopefully it's just a fluke year.
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2020, 08:00:08 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
Fire him when we have our crap together to upgrade.
Gonna be a minute
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 08:05:13 PM
Maybe a bowl game
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You are so dramatic, my god.
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 08:07:12 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.
I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.
the causation may flow in the other direction.
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 08:08:44 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.
I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.
the causation may flow in the other direction.
I know. But in general I think football coaches get fired too quickly.
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2020, 01:37:03 PM
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Post by: Cire on December 13, 2020, 01:35:58 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
Say no to retreads.Also his record the last two years isn't much better than Klieman's TBH
Orgeron has been about the only successful retread I think
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 02:07:49 PM
Say no to retreads.Also his record the last two years isn't much better than Klieman's TBH
Orgeron has been about the only successful retread I think
Snyder 2.0
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 13, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 02:19:29 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 02:27:12 PM
Why did Texas get rid of Mack tho
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 02:32:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 05:51:45 PM
Say no to retreads.Also his record the last two years isn't much better than Klieman's TBH
Orgeron has been about the only successful retread I think
Despite the feint arguments for others he's the only one who could even be considered, and he's trending towards Les Miles and Gene Chizik.
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Post by: bucket on September 12, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
if you could turn injuries off, klieman would be a top 20 coach
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Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 02, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 05:58:55 PM
Post by: wiley on October 02, 2021, 06:10:36 PM
So many lolz today, but my favorite is his continued lack of offensive tempo or urgency when required.Yeah, that's a strange one.
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2021, 06:15:51 PM
Post by: wiley on October 02, 2021, 06:20:57 PM
I don't think we score if we went faster and it's probably more important to score than save time but it's a valid criticism that we aren't able to play faster :th_twocents:Ill be honest though i really only watched the our first drive and then the 8 min mark until the TD before Malik ran it back. So im probably being overly opinionated on the situation as well.
Post by: chum1 on October 02, 2021, 06:24:28 PM
:frown:
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
I was all for the FCS champion experiment. But it's getting harder to imagine that his teams are going to be finishing in the top 3/4 of the conference.
:frown:
If perennial top 4 finishes are the expectation then every coach we hire will fail.
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 06:52:24 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 02, 2021, 06:52:56 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
I mean one would be nice.Ok I was being stupid. He finished third in 2019.
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 07:06:40 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2021, 07:08:43 PM
But if we get killed by Iowa State, then he should be in serious trouble to keep his job.
We will beat ISU, you can take that to the bank.
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 07:08:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2021, 07:22:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2021, 02:17:15 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 06:24:38 AM
But if we get killed by Iowa State, then he should be in serious trouble to keep his job.
We will beat ISU, you can take that to the bank.
With Boom hurt too, Trussell is now basically a starting DE. ISU is going to be able to successfully run at him all day. Cartez Crook-Jones not panning out hurts. I get its tough when 2 of your 3 rotation DEs get hurt, but this lack of DE depth with size to hold up against the run sucks & will cost us more this year.
Post by: chum1 on October 03, 2021, 07:22:17 AM
His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 07:51:14 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2021, 07:59:04 AM
the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone
Cincy is more or less as good as OU and BYU appears to be as good or better than UT has been for the last decade.
Post by: chum1 on October 03, 2021, 08:06:12 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 08:09:56 AM
the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone
Cincy is more or less as good as OU and BYU appears to be as good or better than UT has been for the last decade.
Yeah I guess I hadn't considered Cincy and BYU being peers with OU and Texas when it comes to things like playoff appearances and recruiting.
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2021, 08:15:57 AM
the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone
Cincy is more or less as good as OU and BYU appears to be as good or better than UT has been for the last decade.
Yeah I guess I hadn't considered Cincy and BYU being peers with OU and Texas when it comes to things like playoff appearances and recruiting.
Same amount of playoff game victories for all four!
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 08:17:25 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2021, 08:21:07 AM
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2021, 09:42:38 AM
I don't think we score if we went faster and it's probably more important to score than save time but it's a valid criticism that we aren't able to play faster :th_twocents:This is exactly how I feel. It’s more important maximizing our chances of scoring vs having 30-40 extra seconds on the clock. All that said, while I haven’t been paying that close of attention this year, our no huddle offense has always seemed severely lacking.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 09:59:30 AM
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
I'm certain that if I checked the game thread from last year's game you'd be pissed about the pace when we used the same pace to come back from a 28 point defect, right?
Playing slow is the best option because we don't match talent and you need to limit possessions. It's worked for Kansas State football since 2009. Even if we did play faster I'm not aware of too many college football offenses capable of erasing a 17 point defect in less than 17 minutes. I'm sure you would have been perfectly fine if we sped up on that last drive and committed 2 penalties, whiffed a block to give up a sack because we didn't get into the right play, then had to punt after 5 plays.
Our offensive pace is what it is and 95% of the time it's to our benefit, the moral of the story is don't get down 17 points with 10:00 minutes left.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:06:57 AM
They just need to recruit better
I think they still have a chance long-term if they can get a transfer QB, DE & LB for next year.
I’m interested to see if they adjust & figure out how to have Matlack/FAU taking the majority of DE snaps or slide Hentz outside with Duke & Boom both hurt. If they just keep going with Trussell against ISU because he’s next on the depth chart, Hall is going to run at will. If they keep doing the same thing after 2 weeks because he’s next on the depth chart I’ll be pretty disappointed.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:18:55 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
I'm certain that if I checked the game thread from last year's game you'd be pissed about the pace when we used the same pace to come back from a 28 point defect, right?
Playing slow is the best option because we don't match talent and you need to limit possessions. It's worked for Kansas State football since 2009. Even if we did play faster I'm not aware of too many college football offenses capable of erasing a 17 point defect in less than 17 minutes. I'm sure you would have been perfectly fine if we sped up on that last drive and committed 2 penalties, whiffed a block to give up a sack because we didn't get into the right play, then had to punt after 5 plays.
Our offensive pace is what it is and 95% of the time it's to our benefit, the moral of the story is don't get down 17 points with 10:00 minutes left.
I was pretty angry at a punt in Texas territory last year. (Re-read your post, the angry down 28 triggered me into the Texas game because I was angry at a punt down 28 to Texas last year. I don’t remember how I felt down 28 OU last year because I had a house full of sick family & probably didn’t have many feelings during that game besides exhaustion).
The decision to still go slow down 17 with 10 was conceding the game. I would have much rather had to punt with 8 minutes left trying to come back than plan to kickoff down 10 with 4 minutes left to make the score closer. I really don’t care about the difference between a 6 point loss conceding with 10 minutes left than a 24 point loss trying to make a comeback. Outside of one of the worst onside attempts I’ve ever seen, the last 10 minutes went about as well as it could have with the go slow plan & we still had no shot. If we’re were even halfway competent at going semi-fast we would have been kicking off down 6 with 3-4 minutes left & had a shot to get the ball back.
The deflating thing to me is the coaches have so little confidence in the ability to go fast, after being aggressive the rest of the game to win, that we must be absolute dog crap at it & won’t be able to effectively use it later when it’s needed. If we can’t use it down 17 with 10 we’ll probably fail at it down 7 with 3 minutes left in another game. I guess I can’t think of another coach that’s choose not to be competent at hurry up & everyone just goes “it’s ok, that’s not who we are.”
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 03, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:23:30 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD” then executed that plan perfectly.
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD” then executed that plan perfectly.
why does this seemingly upset you more than the 17 point fourth quarter deficit?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 03, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD” then executed that plan perfectly.
Fair point. My only guess is they figured maybe Oklahoma would be aggressive instead of just running it up the middle to burn clock and we could sell out on trying to jump the route on one of those screen passes they were so fond of, but that’s just me guessing. In my heart I want to believe they had some strategy other than “minimize how much we lose by”
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:56:43 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD” then executed that plan perfectly.
why does this seemingly upset you more than the 17 point fourth quarter deficit?
They were aggressive in every other aspect then conceded with 10 minutes left to keep the score close. That tells me the coaches have them unprepared to go quicker & won’t be able to execute it later when needed. Will everyone still say “that’s just not us” when it goes horrible in a later game down 7 with 3:00 left? We have a 6th year QB & we don’t have a system to call plays from the LOS. We were still starting substitutions with 28 on the play clock & breaking the huddle with 16.
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 11:59:31 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.
Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD” then executed that plan perfectly.
why does this seemingly upset you more than the 17 point fourth quarter deficit?
They were aggressive in every other aspect then conceded with 10 minutes left to keep the score close. That tells me the coaches have them unprepared to go quicker & won’t be able to execute it later when needed. Will everyone still say “that’s just not us” when it goes horrible in a later game down 7 with 3:00 left? We have a 6th year QB we don’t have a system to all plays from the LOS. We were still starting substitutions with 28 on the play clock & breaking the huddle with 16.
the 17 point deficit still seems worse :dunno:
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
It’s not just they didn’t, it’s that it appears they can’t & everyone is just like “oh well, that’s just not us”. Being a P5 program & not being able to do something that’s football 301 level is baffling to me.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on October 03, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
Post by: slackcat on October 03, 2021, 03:59:27 PM
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I assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.
His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.
Chum's right.
He's a damned good 7-5 coach if the current pace is kept up.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 04:21:09 PM
I’d say this season & next both 6-6 with DL injuries making it difficult for us to stop good run teams this year & unknown QB situation bogging down next year. If guys like Krew Jackson & Pritchard develop as LBs the following seasons in the new Big12 could be better.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2021, 09:24:21 PM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.
Back to the last conversation, if you think the team playing the same pace they always play constitutes giving up, there is nothing anyone in the world can say that would convince you otherwise, so have at it, I guess.
The point you're trying to make on this post I don't understand like at all. Are you projecting the first five years & saying we shouldn't be happy with 34-26 the first five years of a coaching tenure?
That would easily be the best 5 year start in any coaching tenure for any coach in K-State football history. There are literally less than 8 schools in the country who would fire a coach with a run like that to start their tenure. You mention Dave Clawson derisively, funny enough that's exactly what Matt Campbell's record was after his first five years. Should that be good enough for Campbell & Pollard to "keep cashing checks?"
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 08:45:29 AM
QuoteI assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.
His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.
Chum's right.
He's a damned good 7-5 coach if the current pace is kept up.
Yep, he will coach here forever as long as the bottom doesn't completely fall out, which it won't because he is good enough to not let that happen, but not good enough to be anything but average in a major conference.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 08:47:12 AM
Some of you all are some whiny bitches.
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 09:01:02 AM
QuoteI assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.
His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.
Chum's right.
He's a damned good 7-5 coach if the current pace is kept up.
Yep, he will coach here forever as long as the bottom doesn't completely fall out, which it won't because he is good enough to not let that happen, but not good enough to be anything but average in a major conference.
Discussed earlier in the thread, but if a coach's floor is "bottom not falling out" there will be years that they compete for conference titles over time. Almost inevitably.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2021, 09:08:00 AM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.
Back to the last conversation, if you think the team playing the same pace they always play constitutes giving up, there is nothing anyone in the world can say that would convince you otherwise, so have at it, I guess.
The point you're trying to make on this post I don't understand like at all. Are you projecting the first five years & saying we shouldn't be happy with 34-26 the first five years of a coaching tenure?
That would easily be the best 5 year start in any coaching tenure for any coach in K-State football history. There are literally less than 8 schools in the country who would fire a coach with a run like that to start their tenure. You mention Dave Clawson derisively, funny enough that's exactly what Matt Campbell's record was after his first five years. Should that be good enough for Campbell & Pollard to "keep cashing checks?"
This is what I also don't understand, people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this. Even if anything, what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman, we haven't quite turned the corner of projecting in the right direction, but this is not some hapless team, JFC we lost to (albiet overrated) #6 team in the country and we act like the bottom fell out.
:jerk:
Some of you all are some whiny bitches.
The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.
Back to the last conversation, if you think the team playing the same pace they always play constitutes giving up, there is nothing anyone in the world can say that would convince you otherwise, so have at it, I guess.
The point you're trying to make on this post I don't understand like at all. Are you projecting the first five years & saying we shouldn't be happy with 34-26 the first five years of a coaching tenure?
That would easily be the best 5 year start in any coaching tenure for any coach in K-State football history. There are literally less than 8 schools in the country who would fire a coach with a run like that to start their tenure. You mention Dave Clawson derisively, funny enough that's exactly what Matt Campbell's record was after his first five years. Should that be good enough for Campbell & Pollard to "keep cashing checks?"
This is what I also don't understand, people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this. Even if anything, what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman, we haven't quite turned the corner of projecting in the right direction, but this is not some hapless team, JFC we lost to (albiet overrated) #6 team in the country and we act like the bottom fell out.:jerk:
Some of you all are some whiny bitches.
The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.
I don't know that OU is overrated. Is there any team behind them that we could definitively say would be undefeated with OU's schedule at this point?
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 09:17:18 AM
The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.
IMO the primary issue since Snyder 2.0 has always been talented depth. First team can compete with about anyone in the league but OU (and can even get them sometimes!), but when injuries inevitably set in we take a big step back.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 09:20:57 AM
I also don't think the team/coaches gave up. I find it wild that people think they did when they came back from a similar deficit in last year's OU game on the road. They just didn't execute well on the drive.
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 09:22:22 AM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this
Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.
what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman
One comparison is that the recruiting is not improving.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 09:29:24 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this
Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman
One comparison is that the recruiting is not improving.
prince recruiting fell off a cliff after he ran off all his assistants and featured an absolutely ridiculous Juco class. I think you could argue CK is improving recruiting over Snyder, but even if it's not, it's not getting worse like it did with Prince.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 09:33:50 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 04, 2021, 09:41:48 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
Yea me too. It would be enough to disconnect myself from K-State. Our fans can be really rough ridin' stupid.
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2021, 09:41:56 AM
The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.
IMO the primary issue since Snyder 2.0 has always been talented depth. First team can compete with about anyone in the league but OU (and can even get them sometimes!), but when injuries inevitably set in we take a big step back.
That's correct, we are paper thin and only an injury or two away from success or failure.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 09:46:18 AM
There's a certain part of them out there that wants to be the first ones to say "I told you so!", so they predict mayhem early on. They're quiet for the successes and loud as crap when K-State loses to the #6 team in the nation. It's sad!I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
Yea me too. It would be enough to disconnect myself from K-State. Our fans can be really rough ridin' stupid.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 04, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
I wouldn't count last year as a season evenpeople are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this
Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 10:17:52 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
LOL. I don't want him fired at all and would def give him 3-4 more years, but LOL at him "getting scared off". That is as hilarious as someone "stealing him" from us. He is in a perfect spot where he works for his buddy and can "awe shucks" his way in to the hearts of our fanbase while finishing with a .500 record. He isn't going anywhere.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 10:20:04 AM
We extended him because some Big 10 schools were calling him, dummy. Other fanbases aren't such simpletons that they think he's going to be the next Prince. They can see around the noise.I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
LOL. I don't want him fired at all and would def give him 3-4 more years, but LOL at him "getting scared off". That is as hilarious as someone "stealing him" from us. He is in a perfect spot where he works for his buddy and can "awe shucks" his way in to the hearts of our fanbase while finishing with a .500 record. He isn't going anywhere.
Post by: meow meow on October 04, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 10:22:29 AM
We extended him because some Big 10 schools were calling him, dummy. Other fanbases aren't such simpletons that they think he's going to be the next Prince. They can see around the noise.I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
LOL. I don't want him fired at all and would def give him 3-4 more years, but LOL at him "getting scared off". That is as hilarious as someone "stealing him" from us. He is in a perfect spot where he works for his buddy and can "awe shucks" his way in to the hearts of our fanbase while finishing with a .500 record. He isn't going anywhere.
:ROFL:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
Post by: CHONGS on October 04, 2021, 10:49:04 AM
* Prince never lost this many conference games in a row.
* By the end of the year, Klieman's conference record could very comparable to Prince, and he started the year pretty close to the start of Prince's third year.
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Devils Advocate:
* Prince never lost this many conference games in a row.
* By the end of the year, Klieman's conference record could very comparable to Prince, and he started the year pretty close to the start of Prince's third year.
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
Are you saying we have the oscar of FB?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 10:57:45 AM
Any job that isn't a bona-fide lateral move, or even a step down is going to have 2x to 3x the expectations that a HFBC faces from the K-State fanbase and covering media.
If it's a major step up, then a coach will face 5x to 8x more expectations than what he faces with K-State Football.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:00:47 AM
Post by: CHONGS on October 04, 2021, 11:03:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:07:01 AM
Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
Post by: 'taterblast on October 04, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 11:24:09 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up
Yeah, that's not good. Our schedule has also lined up where we've largely been playing the best teams in the conference over that stretch, mostly with a true freshman backup QB.
If we roll into the KU game without a conference win, I don't think its unreasonable for the fanbase to ask for major changes to the program (including firing the head coach).
Agree
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:25:20 AM
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up
If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked. 4-5 I’ll be content. 3-6 and I’ll be disappointed. 2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.
Post by: steve dave on October 04, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:29:12 AM
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2021, 11:30:05 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up
If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked. 4-5 I’ll be content. 3-6 and I’ll be disappointed. 2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.
I hope you guys do run off Coach Klansman and then learn that things can get worse, and worse. And worse...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:31:20 AM
lol. That's what you think is going on? :lol: Retire old man!We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It could also be the Big 10 peoples that called him.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:33:13 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:39:43 AM
:facepalm: Must suck not to know big time donors.We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It could also be the Big 10 peoples that called him.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:42:42 AM
:facepalm: Must suck not to know big time donors.We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.Thanks, Madden.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fantastic work today WackyTuck
The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It could also be the Big 10 peoples that called him.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Look out, here comes name dropping WackyTuck right on schedule.
While you're hanging out here with us the great unwashed. You're trying to say our Captains of Industry, some of whom had to or do answer to shareholders and/or some of the richest people in the world are concerned that our football coach is going to leave because some fans (as in a few) say kinda mean things about him on social media and message boards?
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 11:42:46 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up
If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked. 4-5 I’ll be content. 3-6 and I’ll be disappointed. 2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.
I hope you guys do run off Coach Klansman and then learn that things can get worse, and worse. And worse...
Gene won’t run him off, so he’s safe.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:48:51 AM
Dax, aren't you late to your MAGA rally?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
I think you could argue CK is improving recruiting over Snyder
I'd say he needs to improve recruiting to such an extent that there's no comparison between him and Snyder. Otherwise, I'd expect his future results to be like his past results.
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 11:50:35 AM
I wouldn't count last year as a season evenpeople are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this
Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.
Yes! I don't either.
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 12:00:49 PM
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
You’re seriously an idiot, Chum. Unfortunately Rubley isn’t ready. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a miss. Sorry if I’m not freaking out about our future when Kli just got the highest rated QB in team history and he has an amazing track record of landing transfers who produce immediately. But please people, continue the freak out. Losing to the #6 team in the nation by 6 has really woke up the dumbasses.* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
Post by: wiley on October 04, 2021, 12:14:11 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 12:18:43 PM
I suspect we'll see an upperclassmen transfer at QB to come in and compete at a minimum.These are the options so far. I have no idea about JUCO prospects.
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TransferPortal/?positionkey=57
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 12:26:14 PM
You’re seriously an idiot, Chum. Unfortunately Rubley isn’t ready. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a miss. Sorry if I’m not freaking out about our future when Kli just got the highest rated QB in team history and he has an amazing track record of landing transfers who produce immediately. But please people, continue the freak out. Losing to the #6 team in the nation by 6 has really woke up the dumbasses.* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
1. You didn't even come close to addressing what I said.
2. When you make posts like that, it actually does look a lot like you're freaking out about our future.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 12:36:23 PM
Next year will be a train wreck unless he lands a grad transfer QB. We won't have the balls to pull the trigger on firing him next year despite our terrible record that is inevitable (unless Jalen Hurts or equivalent arrives).
However, 2023 will be the 'prove it' year. He can't blame recruiting, Covid, injuries, or whatever else at that point........
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
Sky fan boy who predicted he'd see time in the NFL from his day 1 as starter, posted a thread that he was starting (excited), once he found out he was starting?You’re seriously an idiot, Chum. Unfortunately Rubley isn’t ready. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a miss. Sorry if I’m not freaking out about our future when Kli just got the highest rated QB in team history and he has an amazing track record of landing transfers who produce immediately. But please people, continue the freak out. Losing to the #6 team in the nation by 6 has really woke up the dumbasses.* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
1. You didn't even come close to addressing what I said.
2. When you make posts like that, it actually does look a lot like you're freaking out about our future.
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 12:47:40 PM
I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2021, 12:49:40 PM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this
Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman
One comparison is that the recruiting is not improving.
prince recruiting fell off a cliff after he ran off all his assistants and featured an absolutely ridiculous Juco class. I think you could argue CK is improving recruiting over Snyder, but even if it's not, it's not getting worse like it did with Prince.
And that's the most fair. From a talent standpoint we have a lot of guys who can/do ball out, and under Prince it was increasingly lollers we were regressing. I just fail to see that here.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Iowa State theoretically did but Matt Campbell quickly got them back to where they belong
Post by: 'taterblast on October 04, 2021, 01:15:41 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
I also don't think the team/coaches gave up. I find it wild that people think they did when they came back from a similar deficit in last year's OU game on the road. They just didn't execute well on the drive.
It's not even that they didn't execute, they scored! Oklahoma played a damn dime, dropped everybody back and took away the big play, like every coach in the world who has more experience than video games would do. That's what's bizarre about the rant, like what was the alternative, throw a bunch of arm punts in hopes that we catch them and they don't?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 01:32:08 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 02:04:44 PM
ftr am not even close to irl thinking Klieman needs to be fired
Agree, but it would be cool if he could win a conference game soon!!!!!
He does seem like a really nice guy though and he FOR SURE does things the "right way", so we will prob give him another extension regardless.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 04, 2021, 02:07:32 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 04, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Positives
2 - 0 vs P5 in non-con (Wins vs Miss St, Stanford)
3 - 3 vs Top 25 (2 of those losses were without Sky and the 3rd was with him gimpy last weekend)
Neutral
Small increase in recruiting rankings (mid 60s to mid 50s)
1 bowl game (technically 2 but COVID made last year too weird)
.500 ish conference record
Negatives
Embarrassing loss last year to Ark. State
No obvious QB depth
If I was AD I am concerned but by no means ready to fire the guy.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
Klienman's record:
Positives
2 - 0 vs P5 in non-con (Wins vs Miss St, Stanford)
3 - 3 vs Top 25 (2 of those losses were without Sky and the 3rd was with him gimpy last weekend)
Neutral
Small increase in recruiting rankings (mid 60s to mid 50s)
1 bowl game (technically 2 but COVID made last year too weird)
.500 ish conference record
Negatives
Embarrassing loss last year to Ark. State
No obvious QB depth
If I was AD I am concerned but by no means ready to fire the guy.
The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 03:06:12 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 04, 2021, 03:20:58 PM
Klienman's record:
Positives
2 - 0 vs P5 in non-con (Wins vs Miss St, Stanford)
3 - 3 vs Top 25 (2 of those losses were without Sky and the 3rd was with him gimpy last weekend)
Neutral
Small increase in recruiting rankings (mid 60s to mid 50s)
1 bowl game (technically 2 but COVID made last year too weird)
.500 ish conference record
Negatives
Embarrassing loss last year to Ark. State
No obvious QB depth
If I was AD I am concerned but by no means ready to fire the guy.
The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.
You would have fired Snyder in 1992.
:billdance: :billdance: :billdance:
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 03:22:08 PM
The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.
who are some of our peer schools who had coaches consistently competing for conference titles by year 3? Like what programs should we be emulating?
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 03:32:44 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 03:34:31 PM
The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.
who are some of our peer schools who had coaches consistently competing for conference titles by year 3? Like what programs should we be emulating?
I am curious about this as well.
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2021, 03:50:23 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 04:04:51 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.
Campbell 5 years. Briles 5 years. 6 years Gundy. We better give this Klieman dude more time it appears.
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 04:11:02 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 04:11:03 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?Try hard factor: 10/10
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.
Campbell 5 years. Briles 5 years. 6 years Gundy. We better give this Klieman dude more time it appears.
were any of those coaches over .500 in conference before that season? Campbell was close but I don't want to do the math.
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2021, 04:21:30 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?Try hard factor: 10/10
Have fun factor: 0/10
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 04:30:05 PM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up
If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked. 4-5 I’ll be content. 3-6 and I’ll be disappointed. 2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.
I hope you guys do run off Coach Klansman and then learn that things can get worse, and worse. And worse...
Gene won’t run him off, so he’s safe.
Neither will the fans
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 04:33:24 PM
While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.
As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.
Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.
Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.
There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.
Campbell 5 years. Briles 5 years. 6 years Gundy. We better give this Klieman dude more time it appears.
were any of those coaches over .500 in conference before that season? Campbell was close but I don't want to do the math.
Briles .400, gundy .475 Campbell .500
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 04:35:46 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?Try hard factor: 10/10
Have fun factor: 0/10
:dunno:
Maybe b/c the company I work for is European. Force of habit....
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 04:36:59 PM
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.
While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.
As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.
Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.
Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.
There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.
Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 04, 2021, 04:51:44 PM
Post by: meow meow on October 04, 2021, 04:53:46 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 05:02:08 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 05:02:23 PM
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.
While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.
As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.
Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.
Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.
There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.
Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.
Fair point, but the Big XII was bad enough that year where 5-4 got you third as opposed to 6-3 like Campbell. Campbell finished behind #4 Oklahoma and #9 Texas and tied with #20 WVU.
In Kliegoober's first year, there was a 4-way tie for third place behind a #7 Oklahoma and #13 Baylor. Texas was the highest rated 3rd place finisher at #25.
Why settle for first when a 4-way tie for third is available.
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 05:07:09 PM
LOL come on dudeEven Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.
While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.
As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.
Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.
Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.
There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.
Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.
Fair point, but the Big XII was bad enough that year where 5-4 got you third as opposed to 6-3 like Campbell. Campbell finished behind #4 Oklahoma and #9 Texas and tied with #20 WVU.
In Kliegoober's first year, there was a 4-way tie for third place behind a #7 Oklahoma and #13 Baylor. Texas was the highest rated 3rd place finisher at #25.
Why settle for first when a 4-way tie for third is available.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.
A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.
I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 05:14:00 PM
RP wishes a lot of you people felt this way 13 years ago.
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.
While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.
As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.
Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.
Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.
There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.
Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.
Fair point, but the Big XII was bad enough that year where 5-4 got you third as opposed to 6-3 like Campbell. Campbell finished behind #4 Oklahoma and #9 Texas and tied with #20 WVU.
In Kliegoober's first year, there was a 4-way tie for third place behind a #7 Oklahoma and #13 Baylor. Texas was the highest rated 3rd place finisher at #25.
Why settle for first when a 4-way tie for third is available.
lol, right on cue. Thanks boys.
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Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 05:22:20 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.
A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.
Reconcile the arguments that COVID completely mumped over the 'cats with that the 'cats are currently getting mumped over by not having a healthy Skolar.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.
A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.
Reconcile the arguments that COVID completely mumped over the 'cats with that the 'cats are currently getting mumped over by not having a healthy Skolar.
I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.
If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?
Post by: WildcatNation on October 04, 2021, 06:08:31 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.
A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.
Reconcile the arguments that COVID completely mumped over the 'cats with that the 'cats are currently getting mumped over by not having a healthy Skolar.
I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.
If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?
After watching the guys we put out there when Sky was hurt and then seeing the team again with a gimpy Skylar, I don't think this is a big stretch tbh
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.
If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?
I know you haven't made that argument, but the post of mine you quoted was about those arguments. I absolutely don't think KSU got mumped by COVID and to any extent they were it may have been self-inflicted.
My perhaps-too-subtle point is that it's silly too give any sort of pass this year based on Skolar being out/unhealthy when he's only partially playing at all because of the pandemic rules. It's especially silly to simultaneously give a pass for last year based on COVID generally or that COVID disproportionately hurt the 'cats.
If we're horrible without Skolar, the thought shouldn't be that it sucks he's hurt again. It should be how in tf are we so reliant on a QB that should already be selling trucks this year but for a global pandemic and extra years given to an-y-one who needed one.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 04, 2021, 06:33:15 PM
Numbers are numbers, and Klieman has 1 more win than Prince after the same number of games. That, along with this conference losing streak, doesn’t really make me feel like this ship is heading anywhere but a mediocre path for the foreseeable future.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 06:43:04 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on October 04, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
I’d probably be less angry about Klieman if I thought there was any chance he would actually fire Messingham.
Numbers are numbers, and Klieman has 1 more win than Prince after the same number of games. That, along with this conference losing streak, doesn’t really make me feel like this ship is heading anywhere but a mediocre path for the foreseeable future.
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To me it looks like KSU will be a perennial 7-5 program with a few 9 wins seasons sprinkled in here and there, then maybe once in a blue moon they get lucky and win 10 or something. This is close to what Snyder 2.0 was. Maybe they get a bit better with new Big 12.
This team is hard to read, they could easily finish the year 6-1 and we’d all be ecstatic. They could also finish 2-5, which would be incredibly disappointing and should put ck on the hot seat. Either way he gets to coach through 2023.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 07:26:17 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on October 04, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
Definitely not going to fire Mess. I don’t think he needs to though.
I think Mess needs to go, but it won’t happen.
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2021, 09:54:42 PM
Post by: bucket on October 04, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
He can coach em up with the best of them and his guys play hard, but I dunno if he’ll ever get good enough players or have enough depth
I think this is my lone criticism. I remember in his first year he missed out on some good, in-state linemen who went to Nebraska. I told myself he'd be able to get guys like that after 2-3 years and so far he hasn't been able to do that.
Post by: muqluk on October 04, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
I’d probably be less angry about Klieman if I thought there was any chance he would actually fire Messingham.
Numbers are numbers, and Klieman has 1 more win than Prince after the same number of games. That, along with this conference losing streak, doesn’t really make me feel like this ship is heading anywhere but a mediocre path for the foreseeable future.
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To me it looks like KSU will be a perennial 7-5 program with a few 9 wins seasons sprinkled in here and there, then maybe once in a blue moon they get lucky and win 10 or something. This is close to what Snyder 2.0 was. Maybe they get a bit better with new Big 12.
This is basically what TCU has been in the Big 12. Add another win per season and you get OSU. Two of the longest tenured coaches in college football. Really not a bad spot to be at all.
Post by: WildcatNation on October 04, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Where'd you grow up?
I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me. As would Ames and Stillwater.
Post by: WildcatNation on October 05, 2021, 01:00:25 PM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Where'd you grow up?
I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me. As would Ames and Stillwater.
And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.
Post by: Trim on October 05, 2021, 01:03:40 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on October 05, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
Can we get Urban?
Hearing it's already done
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 01:39:26 PM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Where'd you grow up?
I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me. As would Ames and Stillwater.
And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.
I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2021, 01:52:34 PM
Can we get Urban?That's a "retread" I could get behind
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Where'd you grow up?
I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me. As would Ames and Stillwater.
And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.
I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.
Maybe you just grew up too far away from Oklahoma to know better, but Stillwater over Manhattan makes absolutely no sense.
Post by: Skipper44 on October 05, 2021, 03:24:16 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 05, 2021, 03:43:08 PM
muqluk, is your point the kids from Wichita we lose OSU and the kids from KC we lose to ISU, MU or NU want to get away from home for school?
ISU got Hall from Wichita. Sucks we didn't get off our asses and recruit that boy.
Post by: Katpappy on October 05, 2021, 03:46:01 PM
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 04:04:14 PM
muqluk, is your point the kids from Wichita we lose OSU and the kids from KC we lose to ISU, MU or NU want to get away from home for school?
Not all of them, no. But it does need to be factored in that this will very much be involved in some of those lost kids.
And after having been to Oklahoma I would be inclined to agree. At 18 however, I wouldn’t have anything more to go on than ‘it’s out of Ks’ and that would have been a potential selling point.
Post by: Skipper44 on October 05, 2021, 04:15:13 PM
losing the next 2-6 players in the top 10 peer programs in the region is a problem that i hoped CK would solve and and 2021 is looking better in KS but part of that may be the pool of players
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2021, 04:27:30 PM
OU and other national programs taking the top 1 or 2 players in KS or KC sucks but there ain't much KSU can do about it, imo
losing the next 2-6 players in the top 10 peer programs in the region is a problem that i hoped CK would solve and and 2021 is looking better in KS but part of that may be the pool of players
How many of the top 3-8 players you think KSU should reasonably get?
Post by: Skipper44 on October 05, 2021, 05:03:06 PM
Post by: WildcatNation on October 05, 2021, 05:25:58 PM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Where'd you grow up?
I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me. As would Ames and Stillwater.
And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.
I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.
No, I legitimately do not get your point. You think kids from Kansas would rather go somewhere like Stillwater over Manhattan because it 'isn't Kansas'? Having been a kid from rural Kansas once upon a time and having visited both of those towns that is preposterous. If that is the case, the staff did a terrible job on selling Manhattan and K-State, which proves most of our points here.
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2021, 05:28:20 PM
more than OSU or ISU
So mission accomplished?
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
success breeds success. Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances. A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over? I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
Where'd you grow up?
I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me. As would Ames and Stillwater.
And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.
I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.
No, I legitimately do not get your point. You think kids from Kansas would rather go somewhere like Stillwater over Manhattan because it 'isn't Kansas'? Having been a kid from rural Kansas once upon a time and having visited both of those towns that is preposterous. If that is the case, the staff did a terrible job on selling Manhattan and K-State, which proves most of our points here.
No it doesn’t - not unless they’re literally missing on all of them.
There are more factors than Manhattan being more or less attractive to an individual.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2021, 10:02:26 PM
Can we get Urban?That's a "retread" I could get behind
I don't think our program could bounce back quickly from the mess he leaves when he's done. It took Florida like 3 coaches. It'd be an amazing 4 years followed by the worst heroin detox O.A.T.
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2021, 10:05:26 PM
Ohio State and Utah weren't bad. Also kinda crazy that Andy Ludwig is the current OC at Utah. (Found this when confirming Wittingham followed Meyer)Can we get Urban?That's a "retread" I could get behind
I don't think our program could bounce back quickly from the mess he leaves when he's done. It took Florida like 3 coaches. It'd be an amazing 4 years followed by the worst heroin detox O.A.T.
Post by: Trim on October 05, 2021, 10:32:40 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on October 06, 2021, 06:54:35 AM
KState would be mumped at QB if it weren't for a global pandemic.I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.
If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?
I know you haven't made that argument, but the post of mine you quoted was about those arguments. I absolutely don't think KSU got mumped by COVID and to any extent they were it may have been self-inflicted.
My perhaps-too-subtle point is that it's silly too give any sort of pass this year based on Skolar being out/unhealthy when he's only partially playing at all because of the pandemic rules. It's especially silly to simultaneously give a pass for last year based on COVID generally or that COVID disproportionately hurt the 'cats.
If we're horrible without Skolar, the thought shouldn't be that it sucks he's hurt again. It should be how in tf are we so reliant on a QB that should already be selling trucks this year but for a global pandemic and extra years given to an-y-one who needed one.
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Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 06, 2021, 08:43:59 AM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.
Yep, like a hullabaloo ton more fumble drills.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
Will 2024 be the time to bring Venables home? His last son, Tyler, will have just graduated from Clemson. We will need a full rebuild. There won't be the expectations of Snyder to live up to any longer. Sounds like a match to me.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2021, 08:50:22 AM
Post by: MadCat on October 06, 2021, 08:57:31 AM
JFC, Venables is never happening. Grow up! Can we mute PA until the Iowa State game?
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=42494.msg2043075 (https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=42494.msg2043075)
Post by: DQ12 on October 06, 2021, 09:11:41 AM
Daniel Green was gangbusters the first three games of the year -- looked like he'd taken a MASSIVE step in the offseason into a potential first team all-conference guy, but his time in the OSU game was glaringly bad. Pretty bad game against OU too. I still maintain fletcher doesn't have the range to cover in space that he's gotta have to defend against Big 12 spreads. So that's really what we had, Green/Fletcher, and walkons. We supplemented by moving Henny and Wayne Jones down, and added Munoz from the portal. That's a pretty risky lack of action there and (predictably) so far, it's been about the weakest position through the first 2 games of Big 12 play. Which is saying something! Because the safeties have been shockingly bad too through the first 2 big 12 games. 3-3-5 hasn't solved our Big 12 defensive woes, it seems. But i'm not giving up on them yet -- hopefully the OSU/OU games were apparitions. We do miss Duke quite a bit i think -- man it would be nice if this team had Wyatt Hubert.
Anyway, to succeed, you need to be a good recruiter or a master roster manager, and CK hasn't really proven to be either yet, which is a concern. Hopefully that gets better and I think it can.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 06, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
The fact that we've lost 7 conference games in a row is not inspiring. Even Prince managed to avoid that lengthy of a streak. But hey, we've beaten OU 2/3 times so let's put a statue up and print some t-shirts.
Post by: wetwillie on October 06, 2021, 04:52:10 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 06, 2021, 05:50:26 PM
Post by: 8manpick on October 06, 2021, 06:17:40 PM
Post by: wiley on October 06, 2021, 06:42:43 PM
Has this guy been CANNED yet, or what?We're on the 5 year Venebles plan apparently.
Post by: wiley on October 06, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
They thought Howard was ready going into the season, I don’t think they feel that way anymore.I say convince Cole Kelley to take a super senior year at a power 5 again.
Post by: DQ12 on October 06, 2021, 07:44:39 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 06, 2021, 07:56:18 PM
If Thompson wouldn't have come back I have to assume they would've looked into the portal.
They will be hitting the portal hard
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2021, 08:30:42 PM
But it’s simple wins and losses to some on this board, who wants him to recruit better! Lol
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2021, 10:12:35 PM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.
No way. We lose against Stanford and Nevada if we don't have a good QB. I'd be inclined to say SIU as well but we had a bad QB stop giving the ball away and decided to let the defense win the game.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2021, 10:17:01 PM
Post by: nicname on October 06, 2021, 10:21:28 PM
A Messingham offense can be successful with Howard at the helm, but only if they're willing to run Will 12-15 times a game.Wrong thread, bud.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2021, 10:30:04 PM
He's starting to learn the differences between winning at K-State and winning at NDSU. In 2019 it was so frustrating how conservative he was, in every situation. His risk aversion may have cost us both the UT & WVU games in '19. We're on pace to have the most 4th down attempts since 2008. Of course Ron had an obscene amount of 4th down attempts, his teams conversion rates were abysmal.
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2021, 06:29:11 AM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.
No way. We lose against Stanford and Nevada if we don't have a good QB. I'd be inclined to say SIU as well but we had a bad QB stop giving the ball away and decided to let the defense win the game.
Uhhh
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2021, 06:38:43 AM
One thing that even the trolls should give Klieman credit for is that he was ballsy against OU and it kept us in the game. We were what 4-5 on fourth down and only time we didn't convert was the Weber drop. Those weren't all trying to come back from a huge defect either, we went for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game.
He's starting to learn the differences between winning at K-State and winning at NDSU. In 2019 it was so frustrating how conservative he was, in every situation. His risk aversion may have cost us both the UT & WVU games in '19. We're on pace to have the most 4th down attempts since 2008. Of course Ron had an obscene amount of 4th down attempts, his teams conversion rates were abysmal.
Yeah the idea that he was trying to lose by less is absurd.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2021, 08:36:47 AM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.
No way. We lose against Stanford and Nevada if we don't have a good QB. I'd be inclined to say SIU as well but we had a bad QB stop giving the ball away and decided to let the defense win the game.
Uhhh
:facepalm: :lol: lol what a dipshit, okay just Stanford
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2021, 09:02:40 AM
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2021, 09:09:22 AM
One thing that even the trolls should give Klieman credit for is that he was ballsy against OU and it kept us in the game. We were what 4-5 on fourth down and only time we didn't convert was the Weber drop. Those weren't all trying to come back from a huge defect either, we went for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game.
He's starting to learn the differences between winning at K-State and winning at NDSU. In 2019 it was so frustrating how conservative he was, in every situation. His risk aversion may have cost us both the UT & WVU games in '19. We're on pace to have the most 4th down attempts since 2008. Of course Ron had an obscene amount of 4th down attempts, his teams conversion rates were abysmal.
I absolutely loved him going for it so many times on 4th. Love the aggressiveness, loved how we kept converting, loved the play calls; it all made me feel good.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 07, 2021, 09:11:53 AM
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 09:25:09 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.Weird how the roller coaster ride of inconsistency seems to correlate pretty identically to whether a particular player at the most important position in sports is playing. Mess must just be calling better plays when Skylar is out there.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 09:35:06 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.
This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14. Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
Post by: bucket on October 07, 2021, 09:53:28 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.
That was a catch!
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.
This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14. Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance. On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns). Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score. Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football. So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 10:20:52 AM
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.
This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14. Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance. On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns). Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score. Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football. So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too.
Lucky for us, we're halfway there. https://thesportjournal.org/article/predictive-modeling-of-4th-down-conversion-in-power-5-conferences-football-data-analytics/ (https://thesportjournal.org/article/predictive-modeling-of-4th-down-conversion-in-power-5-conferences-football-data-analytics/)
According to our friends from the Sport Journal, the probability of success on 4th and 7 within Power 5 Conferences is 36% based on a sample size of 130 instances. Certainly one of our math geeks can do some regression analysis here based on subset of data we have....
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2021, 10:22:49 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.Weird how the roller coaster ride of inconsistency seems to correlate pretty identically to whether a particular player at the most important position in sports is playing. Mess must just be calling better plays when Skylar is out there.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Which is why they really need to hit the portal. I doubt Rubley is going to be ready anytime soon.
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2021, 10:29:19 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.Weird how the roller coaster ride of inconsistency seems to correlate pretty identically to whether a particular player at the most important position in sports is playing. Mess must just be calling better plays when Skylar is out there.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Which is why they really need to hit the portal. I doubt Rubley is going to be ready anytime soon.
I’d like to see them bring in someone with multiple years of eligibility but if it’s a grad transfer it’s better than nothing
Post by: ChiComCat on October 07, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.
This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14. Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance. On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns). Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score. Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football. So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too.
A couple of the drives started at the 19 and 36 of KSU. I think you're better off trusting the defense IF you trust your punter to pin them relatively well. To be honest, though, I don't know that I've seen our punter do that terribly well.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 07, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2021, 12:34:05 PM
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.
This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14. Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance. On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns). Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score. Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football. So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too.
A couple of the drives started at the 19 and 36 of KSU. I think you're better off trusting the defense IF you trust your punter to pin them relatively well. To be honest, though, I don't know that I've seen our punter do that terribly well.
He was arguably our MVP of the OkSt game
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2021, 12:49:37 PM
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 01:28:15 PM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)
2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)
Just for conversation fodder.
A link to BCFtoys, a cool website with a bunch of stats… https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd
Post by: Winters on October 07, 2021, 01:32:09 PM
:frown:The offensive staff has to be on notice.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)
2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)
Just for conversation fodder.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)
2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)
Just for conversation fodder.
A link to BCFtoys, a cool website with a bunch of stats… https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd
Is there any way to go back and see what Dana Dimel's happened to be from 2010-2015?
Post by: wiley on October 07, 2021, 01:52:40 PM
I understand why they do fbs vs fbs (and im not taking the initiative to improve on the stats produced). But stats like these essentially gloss over the fact that iowa state has crushed two of the worst fbs teams, while looking like dog crap against a salty fcs team. And are ranked 11th this year in Net PPD.The offensive staff has to be on notice.
This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)
2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)
Just for conversation fodder.
A link to BCFtoys, a cool website with a bunch of stats… https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
In the two full games K-State had thompson for last year, K-State operated at about 2.87 PPD (~21st in the country). In the two games with Thompson this season, K-State's at about 3 PPD, which again would put K-State around 21st.
If we want to kill Messingham for not having a better QB/or not figuring out an offense to run with Howard and the crew, that's fine. But with a decent/good (depending on your assessment of Skylar) QB on the field, Mess's offenses have been very good the last two years (albeit in a relatively small sample). The scheme is very good - but it requires a decent QB.
I'm also not going to be too critical of his 2019 season, first year and all that.
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 02:35:21 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 02:37:29 PM
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 02:57:30 PM
in about 2014 i was clamoring to have dana be kansas state's next head coach.
Dana:
2009 - 1.68 (91), Gregory
2010 - 2.61 (25), CCQ
2011 - 2.63 (22), CK
2012 - 3.21 (6), CK
2013 - 2.90 (16), Waters, Sams
2014 - 2.95 (11), Waters
2015 - 2.21 (57), Bazooka Joe, ???
2016 - 2.49 (36), Ertz
2017 - 2.38 (39), Ertz, Thompson, Delton
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2021, 03:23:09 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 03:29:25 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 03:42:31 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
If only we had a serviceable backup.......
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 03:43:33 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
If only we had a serviceable backup.......
Will’s ppd probably looks pretty decent this year tbh.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 04:14:00 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
If only we had a serviceable backup.......
Will’s ppd probably looks pretty decent this year tbh.
For our team or the opponent?
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 07, 2021, 04:52:16 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
Part of that criticalness comes from the fact that he was terrible at Iowa State (yeah, they weren't good, but still) and there were some absolute turds in 2019 even with Thompson (that Navy game was one for the ages from an offensive ineptitude standpoint). Aside from OSU this year, I've been pretty pleased with Mess - something I wouldn't have thought I would have said before the season started.
Post by: wiley on October 07, 2021, 05:34:43 PM
Wasn't the online pretty suspect that year. Or maybe wr injury issues. Just looking back at the stats and it seemed like we never threw the ball and it was rarely down field.Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
Part of that criticalness comes from the fact that he was terrible at Iowa State (yeah, they weren't good, but still) and there were some absolute turds in 2019 even with Thompson (that Navy game was one for the ages from an offensive ineptitude standpoint). Aside from OSU this year, I've been pretty pleased with Mess - something I wouldn't have thought I would have said before the season started.
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 05:58:09 PM
SIU: 10/24
Nevada: 7/28
OSU: 4/3
Total: 21/55
2.62 ppd
My math or method May be off
Edit: w/ drive by drive
SIU:
Drive 1 - 7 pts
Drive 2 - 7 pts
Drive 3 - 0 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
Drive 5 - 0 pts
Drive 6 - 3 pts
Drive 7 - 0 pts
Drive 8 - 0 pts
Drive 9 - 0 pts
Drive 10 - 7 pts
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10 drives 24 pts
Nevada
Drive 1 - 7 pts
Drive 2 - 0 pts
Drive 3 - 0 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
Drive 5 - 7 pts
Drive 6 - 7 pts
Drive 7 - 7 pts
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7 drives 28 pts
OSU
Drive 1 - 3 pts
Drive 2 - 0 pts
Drive 3 - 0 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
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4 drives 3 pts
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 09:09:59 PM
11/20 = 1.82 ppd
Nevada:
Drive 1 - 7 pts
Drive 2 - 3 pts
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2 drives 10 pts
OSU:
Drive 1 - 0 pts
Drive 2 - 0 pts
Drive 3 - 3 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
Drive 5 - 0 pts
Drive 6 - 7 pts
Drive 7 - 0 pts
Drive 8 - 0 pts
Drive 9 - 0 pts
----------------
9 drives 10 pts
Post by: PurpleOil on October 08, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible. in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).
if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess. but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games. that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
I agree completely
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 11, 2021, 11:16:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
Post by: PurpleOil on October 11, 2021, 12:09:49 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 11, 2021, 03:14:43 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 11, 2021, 03:18:00 PM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:I think we should aim a little higher than UNI's walk-on backup.
https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 11, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2021, 09:14:38 AM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:I think we should aim a little higher than UNI's walk-on backup.
https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
He was only a walk on because he played for a historically dog crap high school, Des Moines Lincoln, a true city school with zero resources. He was put on scholarship as a freshman. He started 20 games for them. His first ever game was in '19 against Iowa State and he absolutely outplayed Purdy. He had 2800 passing yards his freshman year.
He got COVID last year then a Michigan State transfer came in, dude had 5 P5 offers, McElvain lost his job to the transfer. We could do much much worse. I'd guarantee he'd transfer to a P5 if he was taller than 5'11".
I'm calling it now McElvain will be our starting QB against South Dakota next September.
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 12, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
Post by: wiley on October 12, 2021, 10:02:13 AM
why would we go after a transfer QB when we have the best back up in the countryBest transfer QB in the country trumps best backup
Post by: Cire on October 12, 2021, 10:04:25 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2021, 10:08:02 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2021, 10:09:48 AM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:I think we should aim a little higher than UNI's walk-on backup.
https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
He was only a walk on because he played for a historically dog crap high school, Des Moines Lincoln, a true city school with zero resources. He was put on scholarship as a freshman. He started 20 games for them. His first ever game was in '19 against Iowa State and he absolutely outplayed Purdy. He had 2800 passing yards his freshman year.
He got COVID last year then a Michigan State transfer came in, dude had 5 P5 offers, McElvain lost his job to the transfer. We could do much much worse. I'd guarantee he'd transfer to a P5 if he was taller than 5'11".
I'm calling it now McElvain will be our starting QB against South Dakota next September.
I swear to god if you get my hopes up and we see Howard under center next year...
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2021, 10:13:18 AM
Crazy to think that Jesse Ertz would EASILY beat out Howard and Lewis, even with one leg.
It's not that crazy when you realize that Ertz acknowledged that it's generally a bad thing for a QB to keep giving the ball to the other team, so he didn't.
Post by: nicname on October 12, 2021, 12:19:22 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
Howard will be the starter next season. He will be serviceable.
I give that a 0% chance. Staff is going to get a transfer QB.
Post by: Cire on October 12, 2021, 01:20:45 PM
Howard will be the starter next season. He will be serviceable.
I give that a 0% chance. Staff is going to get a transfer QB.
I imagine this to be the case.
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 12, 2021, 02:09:32 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 12, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2021, 02:15:21 PM
Heck 10% seems pretty low.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 12, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
It could be an important year for Klieman if he struggles down the stretch this year, I don't see him putting the ball in the hands of Howard.
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
Howard is the most likely individual but I might take the field over Howard.
It could be an important year for Klieman if he struggles down the stretch this year, I don't see him putting the ball in the hands of Howard.
If the average fan can see the delta between how this team performs with Skylar vs Will the coaching staff certainly can. I’m not saying they can land someone to perform at Skylars level but they are sure as crap gonna try.
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 04:09:41 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2021, 07:32:20 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 12, 2021, 08:03:00 PM
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.
I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Post by: WildcatNation on October 12, 2021, 10:40:45 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 12, 2021, 10:44:26 PM
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 10:52:34 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler
Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.
2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119
It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade. Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.
So some minds need to be made up here.
Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not? As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him. And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us
But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.
Post by: WildcatNation on October 12, 2021, 11:28:05 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler
Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.
2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119
It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade. Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.
So some minds need to be made up here.
Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not? As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him. And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us
But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.
I’ve watched about 4 full OU games this year, I don’t think you have or you wouldn’t be sitting here telling me Rattler isn’t a MASSIVE upgrade over Will Howard. Again, the guy is still going to be a day 1 draft pick. Will Howard must be going top 15 in your mock.
I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. I cannot believe I’m having to explain this. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 11:36:23 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler
Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.
2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119
It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade. Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.
So some minds need to be made up here.
Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not? As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him. And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us
But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.
I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.
Lazy. Or deliberately being a dumbass. Look at the fumbles also.
Nobody is saying Howard is better than Rattler. But while you're at it, go look up Thompson's stats (for both). A transfer QB is absolutely needed unless Rubley develops a lot faster than anyone believes will happen. But Rattler is 'not' that transfer we're looking for or need.
If the staff were capable of developing a QB with any degree of success, maybe Rattler could be an option but then if they were, we wouldn't be needing to look to the portal to begin with.
But I do gotta recognize your good job at throwing up the straw man instead of actually addressing the actual point being discussed.
Post by: WildcatNation on October 12, 2021, 11:46:19 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler
Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.
2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119
It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade. Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.
So some minds need to be made up here.
Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not? As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him. And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us
But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.
I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.
Lazy. Or deliberately being a dumbass.
Look at the fumbles also.
Nobody is saying Howard is better than Rattler. But while you're at it, go look up Thompson's stats (for both). A transfer QB is absolutely needed unless Rubley develops a lot faster than anyone believes will happen. But Rattler is 'not' that transfer we're looking for or need.
If the staff were capable of developing a QB with any degree of success, maybe Rattler could be an option but then if they were, we wouldn't be needing to look to the portal to begin with.
Which part was lazy or being a dumbass? The part where you produced sources that counted total turnovers for a guy that has played in about 10 more games than Howard and still had less total turnovers (and 30 more TD’s) and immediately thought that was how statistics worked? Or the part where you said Rattler wasn’t a massive upgrade over Will rough ridin' Howard? You are a moron of the highest order.
Post by: muqluk on October 13, 2021, 12:02:21 AM
Rattler will most likely be available
Hard pass
:ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.I would try to get him.
Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast? What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?
Tuck that crap out your ass
No thank you. Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler
Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.
2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119
It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade. Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.
So some minds need to be made up here.
Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not? As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him. And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us
But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.
I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.
Lazy. Or deliberately being a dumbass.
Look at the fumbles also.
Nobody is saying Howard is better than Rattler. But while you're at it, go look up Thompson's stats (for both). A transfer QB is absolutely needed unless Rubley develops a lot faster than anyone believes will happen. But Rattler is 'not' that transfer we're looking for or need.
If the staff were capable of developing a QB with any degree of success, maybe Rattler could be an option but then if they were, we wouldn't be needing to look to the portal to begin with.
Which part was lazy or being a dumbass? The part where you produced sources that counted total turnovers for a guy that has played in about 10 more games than Howard and still had less total turnovers (and 30 more TD’s) and immediately thought that was how statistics worked? Or the part where you said Rattler wasn’t a massive upgrade over Will rough ridin' Howard? You are a moron of the highest order.
The part where my only actual claim was that Rattler is a turnover machine as well. You know, the part you deliberately refused to actually look at or address.
But hey, keep sucking Rattler's male genitals cuck.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 03:35:13 AM
shits wild man
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 06:28:18 AM
I don’t think our guy from UNI is it.
Post by: meow meow on October 13, 2021, 07:25:22 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 13, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 09:20:27 AM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the seasonTBF, it's only one in this thread.
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 09:20:49 AM
Post by: nicname on October 13, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 13, 2021, 10:32:35 AM
(he was rough ridin' miserable to watch on QB1)
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 10:38:49 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 11:11:59 AM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the seasonTBF, it's only one in this thread.
You know full well there are plenty of fans on the other forums who share this sentiment. I don't think it's fair to attribute this as a thing unique to K-State fans, this is something that at least 50% of football fans would say. These are the thoughts of someone willing to chant eff Joe Biden at a football game.
Post by: MadCat on October 13, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 13, 2021, 01:15:52 PM
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 01:21:43 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 13, 2021, 01:31:50 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 01:40:48 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on October 13, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
This will all be moot once he wraps that wide body scat pack around a treeqft, a guy that know just replaced his SRT after hitting a tree with a Hellcat
also i bet that scat pack and the TRX were picked for "required maintenance"and replaced by a loaner Journey before the OU bus crossed back into OK
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 01:54:31 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2021, 02:16:36 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
Now do touchdowns
Post by: cfbandyman on October 13, 2021, 02:17:03 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.
IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.
He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.
IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.
He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.
He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons. He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s. 33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career. You take Rattler under any circumstance.
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Post by: nicname on October 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 03:45:30 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
Now do touchdowns
I think you missed the sarcasm.
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 03:59:21 PM
i chant "eff joe biden" at every sporting event i attend. i did it at my niece's soccer game two sundays ago.only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the seasonTBF, it's only one in this thread.
You know full well there are plenty of fans on the other forums who share this sentiment. I don't think it's fair to attribute this as a thing unique to K-State fans, this is something that at least 50% of football fans would say. These are the thoughts of someone willing to chant eff Joe Biden at a football game.
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2021, 04:03:33 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
Now do touchdowns
I think you missed the sarcasm.
Tapout noted
Post by: Katpappy on October 13, 2021, 04:22:55 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
That's rough ridin' strang, he was a true freshman last year.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
i chant "eff joe biden" at every sporting event i attend. i did it at my niece's soccer game two sundays ago.only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the seasonTBF, it's only one in this thread.
You know full well there are plenty of fans on the other forums who share this sentiment. I don't think it's fair to attribute this as a thing unique to K-State fans, this is something that at least 50% of football fans would say. These are the thoughts of someone willing to chant eff Joe Biden at a football game.
:lol: I bet
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
Now do touchdowns
I think you missed the sarcasm.
Tapout noted
Lol wut? I was agreeing with you. See previous posts showing Rattler >>>>>> Will
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.
Uh, his lineage is a clear step or two above Baker and Kyler. Rattler was the #1 QB in his class. Kyler was a good recruit but not close to the class of Rattled. Baker had to walk on at Texas Tech. Both of those guys had to transfer because they couldn't win the job outright. Having the ability to play the result, both of those guys are clearly better than Rattler, but everyone who thought he was going to be as good or better than those other two guys had plenty of reason to think it was a possibility.
Rattler losing his job is more about the guy behind him than it is about him. I still think he's probably one of the ten best college QBs right now and I'm not convinced he's not going to have to relieve Caleb Williams at some point. I also think it's very possible Rattler doesn't transfer at all if he gets a good enough draft grade. He came into the season either the first or second QB depending on your mock of choice.
Post by: muqluk on October 13, 2021, 09:27:21 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.
IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.
He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.
He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons. He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s. 33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career. You take Rattler under any circumstance.
If it were only interceptions sure I’d agree
It’s not. That’s why I also linked fumbles
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 10:48:50 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.
IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.
He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.
He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons. He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s. 33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career. You take Rattler under any circumstance.
If it were only interceptions sure I’d agree
It’s not. That’s why I also linked fumbles
Give it up dude. Rattler has one more fumble this year on over 2x as many games played. Rattler had one more fumbles last year on nearly 2x as many games played also. You’re alone here on Dumbass Island.
Post by: nicname on October 14, 2021, 01:58:00 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 14, 2021, 05:49:43 AM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.
IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.
He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.
He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons. He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s. 33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career. You take Rattler under any circumstance.
If it were only interceptions sure I’d agree
It’s not. That’s why I also linked fumbles
This is hilarious. Keep dying on this hill! It’s going really well for you!
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 14, 2021, 01:24:35 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Post by: wiley on October 14, 2021, 01:43:26 PM
Guys, can we get this thread back on track? Are we going to fire Kliegoober or not?In the next few years, highly unlikely.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20
Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
Rattler stays at OU and sucks, Klieman does not get fired.
Rattler transfers and is awesome, Klieman gets fired.
Rattler dies in a car crash, Klieman does not get fired.
And so on.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 14, 2021, 02:03:37 PM
Here we go:
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20
dang he's 6'1? he looked like such a smol boi when we were breaking his body in half last year (i know we lost but not the point) anyway i was like sheesh that poor fella is like 5'9, maybe 177cm getting out of bed in the morning at best, and getting absolutely murdered out there. Or was that the other QB? time has become a blur for me.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 14, 2021, 02:09:49 PM
I think Klieman's job status should somehow be tied to whatever happens with Rattler. Like,
Rattler stays at OU and sucks, Klieman does not get fired.
Rattler transfers and is awesome, Klieman gets fired.
Rattler dies in a car crash, Klieman does not get fired.
And so on.
Depends on where he transfers to, imo.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 02:15:54 PM
He accounted for over 400 yards vs us last year and 4 TD's. :dunno:Here we go:
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20
dang he's 6'1? he looked like such a smol boi when we were breaking his body in half last year (i know we lost but not the point) anyway i was like sheesh that poor fella is like 5'9, maybe 177cm getting out of bed in the morning at best, and getting absolutely murdered out there. Or was that the other QB? time has become a blur for me.
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Post by: Spracne on October 14, 2021, 02:25:06 PM
HeheHere we go:
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20
dang he's 6'1? he looked like such a smol boi when we were breaking his body in half last year (i know we lost but not the point) anyway i was like sheesh that poor fella is like 5'9, maybe 177cm getting out of bed in the morning at best, and getting absolutely murdered out there. Or was that the other QB? time has become a blur for me.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 14, 2021, 02:30:13 PM
Brewer would be a fine transfer, assuming we can't get Rattler.
i think as a professional courtesy we should let Meyer (or Gruden???) have a say in whomst they would prefer to have as their QB1 next year imho
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 14, 2021, 02:32:06 PM
I think keeping Will Howard as the best backup in the country should be the plan for the foreseeable future.
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This will probably be the reason why we don't get Rattler. Why would he want to lose his starting job to the best back-up in the country when he just lost his job to the 2nd best back-up in the county?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
I think Klieman's job status should somehow be tied to whatever happens with Rattler. Like,:facepalm:
Rattler stays at OU and sucks, Klieman does not get fired.
Rattler transfers and is awesome, Klieman gets fired.
Rattler dies in a car crash, Klieman does not get fired.
And so on.
https://twitter.com/boardgeniuses/status/1448735260917866506?s=21
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2021, 03:15:23 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 05:29:52 PM
Here we go:
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20
Uh, no thanks.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
That account is not very good
That account is great, they aren't used to elite message board posters like chum. 99.999999% of message board posters say excessively stupid crap and aren't irreverent, they're just dumb.
What I want to know is who sent that screenshot to the account and what was their purpose of doing so. Is there someone here who really thought chum was being serious.
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2021, 05:49:58 PM
That account is not very good
That account is great, they aren't used to elite message board posters like chum. 99.999999% of message board posters say excessively stupid crap and aren't irreverent, they're just dumb.
What I want to know is who sent that screenshot to the account and what was their purpose of doing so. Is there someone here who really thought chum was being serious.
Chum sent it himself
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How many conference wins will he have this year? 1-3?
2
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 12:55:56 AM
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Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 17, 2021, 07:39:59 AM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1449551577321127936?s=20
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Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2021, 09:51:49 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.
Post by: sys on October 17, 2021, 09:56:32 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
i'm pretty amazed to discover he hasn't already had five years.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 17, 2021, 10:11:33 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.
Yes, but the coach is also usually told after year 2-3 “you’re struggling, make some changes.”
The problem here is Gene has a history not allowing fixes because budget, CK putting this staff together because he doesn’t have the P5 network so there’s no reason to think he can improve it if given the chance, & I’m very doubtful he’d replace his good friend Mess.
Post by: CNS on October 17, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 10:28:17 AM
I’m sure his coaching network contains a lot of solid assistants and P5 coaches. I think at some point he’s gonna have to have a hard conversation with Mess and/or Klein. I think he’s probably gonna bring in another “co” coordinator. Defensively I wish they would’ve gone outside the program and taken the lumps last year vs using Klanderman but I understand why they did it.The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.
Yes, but the coach is also usually told after year 2-3 “you’re struggling, make some changes.”
The problem here is Gene has a history not allowing fixes because budget, CK putting this staff together because he doesn’t have the P5 network so there’s no reason to think he can improve it if given the chance, & I’m very doubtful he’d replace his good friend Mess.
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 10:29:14 AM
The real question is will Bill be able to calm the waters in another 3 or so years?I use this question to trigger some friends. They fly off the handle.
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 10:30:42 AM
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Post by: EMAWzifried on October 17, 2021, 11:08:28 AM
Got to be on the hot seat, if nothing else.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2021, 11:21:33 AM
He should try to make Nathan Scheelhaase OC
Unfortunately he makes nearly as much as messingham already
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 11:34:22 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 11:42:58 AM
Dana Dimel has UTEP at 6–1. Can he come calm the waters?People on here absolutely hated him too. Lol
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.
Agree. You have to have some stability. Head coach has to be able to assemble a quality staff tho. He has to be able to get rid of underperforming assistants as well.
I don’t know what the payroll budget is for assistants, but you also gotta be able to pay for quality assistants.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 17, 2021, 12:54:01 PM
However, no D-coordinator can scheme his way to victory with the lack of talent and depth we have on the defensive side of the football. Our LB corps is absolute dog crap. It's on the coaches for trying to convert a QB, safety, and playing folks who have no business being on the field at a P5 level. Our secondary is forced to play in the box because our LBs can't make a tackle. Our D-line, obviously, has been obliterated by injuries.
We have a recruiting problem and Kliegoober has demonstrated he is no better than Snyder in this department. His seat is going to get toasty if next week looks anything like this week.
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
Mess can get lost.
However, no D-coordinator can scheme his way to victory with the lack of talent and depth we have on the defensive side of the football. Our LB corps is absolute dog crap. It's on the coaches for trying to convert a QB, safety, and playing folks who have no business being on the field at a P5 level. Our secondary is forced to play in the box because our LBs can't make a tackle. Our D-line, obviously, has been obliterated by injuries.
We have a recruiting problem and Kliegoober has demonstrated he is no better than Snyder in this department. His seat is going to get toasty if next week looks anything like this week.
Yeah, our edge rush is non existent since Duke and Co. went down. The rare push we get is on the interior, and we often don’t have anyone setting the edge so mobile QBs either get a nice pocket or scramble outside and have time to make a play.
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 17, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
I still think a Mess offense can still be effective in the B12, but they have to be willing to run the QB 12-15 times a game. If you aren’t willing to do that, then you better be able to recruit much better.
Sky has no business playing with his injury in an offense that needs the QB run. He can’t be asked to do it, but the rest of the QB room is a mess & we have no other option. We have a HC with a $15M buyout whose plan for QB next year is transfer portal roulette.
Post by: pissclams on October 17, 2021, 02:18:48 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
MoValley Messingham probably isn’t a QB magnet right now.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 17, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
klieman, taylor, and whoever hired taylor all need to be dismissed
Might need a separate thread for these folks.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 07:26:31 PM
He should try to make Nathan Scheelhaase OC
I hate him but this is a goddamned great idea that Jamie Pollard would never allow to happen.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 07:36:58 PM
I have a feeling he will be our coach for 2 or 3 more years.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1449551577321127936?s=20
First of all, there are very few programs that should be firing coaches after three years without scandal or an overwhelming number of losses. I don't know how many times this has to go poorly, in how many different places for athletic directors to get it. I'm glad Gene understands that hiring and firing coaches from the fickle nature of message boards and social media.
That being said, if Klieman doesn't end up working out, the timing of him getting gassed after 5 or 6 years couldn't work out any better. Well be finishing up facility improvements, again, and we'll be strolling into a new Big 12 that doesn't have two programs recruiting 30-40 places higher than everyone else. We'll be much better positioned to get a guy than we were in 2018.
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2021, 07:42:16 PM
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Staff is toast without an overhaul
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What are the issues with the staff that need to be fixed?
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 07:52:13 PM
Defense has been pretty atrocious over the last two years. Klanderman's seat should be pretty warm imo, same with Stanard, who was kind of a scramble hire anyway, iirc. The interior DL is a bit of a concern.Staff is toast without an overhaul
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What are the issues with the staff that need to be fixed?
I have fewer gripes about the offense, but we've got to find a way to address the WR room, which seems like it's been near the bottom of the conference in terms of talent for the duration of CK's tenure.
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 08:09:45 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)LBs are all healthy though. They just stink.
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 08:15:13 PM
Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix muchI don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)LBs are all healthy though. They just stink.
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 08:15:54 PM
I'm in favor of this.Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix muchI don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)LBs are all healthy though. They just stink.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.
One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 08:19:49 PM
I'm in favor of this.Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix muchI don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)LBs are all healthy though. They just stink.
As a developmental program we have to be patient enough to see if their evaluation is good enough to build this program, we aren't there yet. Their first real class, the '20 class has had one spring in the program and it was just 6 months ago.
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 08:51:12 PM
I'm in favor of this.Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix muchI don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)LBs are all healthy though. They just stink.
Yes. It’s why Klieman needs to be willing to cut bait on the underperforming assistants, and Gene needs to be willing to open up the budget enough to pay the kinds of guys that will bring in studs.
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 08:52:22 PM
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:00:02 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?From a 2018 article on OSU's rivals site:
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If we take a look across the Big 12, Baylor and TCU weren’t listed as they’re private institutions, but Texas checks in at No. 1 as they pay their assistant coaches a combined $5,955,000 a year, Oklahoma at No. 2 with $5,465,040 a year, Oklahoma State at No. 3 with $4,150,000 a year, Kansas State at No. 4 with $3,599,000 a year, West Virginia at No. 5 with $3,447,575 a year, Texas Tech at No. 6 with $3,008,000 a year, Kansas at No. 7 with $3,002,299 a year and Iowa State No. 8 with $2,982,500 a year
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 09:08:05 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?Oklahoma States lowest paid assistant coach makes 250k (after reductions due to COVID). Roughly 800k for coordinators and 500k for senior assistants.
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:16:17 PM
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:17:15 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?Oklahoma States lowest paid assistant coach makes 250k (after reductions due to COVID). Roughly 800k for coordinators and 500k for senior assistants.
Yeah, I saw Hazelton is earning > $900k nowadays
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?His defense at ODU does not look very good after a quick glance at their schedule. Do not know the context, but that seems like he made a bad career move
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:27:32 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?
Looks like he left on good terms. Took the DC job at Old Dominion, joining former Cats assistant HC Ricky Rahne.
Raine is earning just under $800k. He took over last year, but their season was cancelled. Seiler was a big part of WVU's recent recruiting surge.
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:28:20 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 09:36:45 PM
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:45:30 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.
:lol: :lol: 6 degrees of Blake Seiler . The following was posted in the movie thread ...
Watched Happy Valley on Netflix last night. Pretty well done. Good showcase of the Sandusky/Penn State fiasco from basically all angles. After watching, I can absolutely see the exact same thing playing out if it had been Snyder in Joe Pa's shoes. I'll just assume Snyder would have done more than "tell his boss" if someone saw Dimel or some longtime assistant playing check the oil with some teen in his private shower or something.
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.
Don't know what prompted this. Posted in the Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread ...
If I ever said anything positive about Dimel as head coach ITT, just go ahead and strike that right from the record.
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 09:50:09 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.UTEP got crushed by Boise State. And didn’t we have like real problems with QB injuries when he was the OC year after year?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 17, 2021, 10:55:51 PM
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Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
When you approach futility of the Stan Parrish days, some people do question what the heck is going on. Evidently K-State is the only program impacted by Covid.I think LSU had a ton of holdouts last year. So I would say at least 2 schools. And we are apparently the only one that won’t can our coach.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 11:39:00 PM
I'm in favor of this.Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix muchI don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)LBs are all healthy though. They just stink.
Yes. It’s why Klieman needs to be willing to cut bait on the underperforming assistants, and Gene needs to be willing to open up the budget enough to pay the kinds of guys that will bring in studs.
Who are the underperforming assistants and how are you measuring that?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 11:42:48 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?His defense at ODU does not look very good after a quick glance at their schedule. Do not know the context, but that seems like he made a bad career move
It's a long term gig. Unless they are completely on some clown crap they will have that job for a very long time without getting fired. They are literally building that program from nothing. It seems to be low risk, high reward. They'll get all the time in the world to build ODU up, if they have success all of those coaches will get better jobs in no time.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?From a 2018 article on OSU's rivals site:QuoteIf we take a look across the Big 12, Baylor and TCU weren’t listed as they’re private institutions, but Texas checks in at No. 1 as they pay their assistant coaches a combined $5,955,000 a year, Oklahoma at No. 2 with $5,465,040 a year, Oklahoma State at No. 3 with $4,150,000 a year, Kansas State at No. 4 with $3,599,000 a year, West Virginia at No. 5 with $3,447,575 a year, Texas Tech at No. 6 with $3,008,000 a year, Kansas at No. 7 with $3,002,299 a year and Iowa State No. 8 with $2,982,500 a year
Yeah, under Snyder 2.0 our coaches were very highly paid. It's somewhere on here but when we had co-offensive coordinators our assistant salaries were top 10 in the country. People hated our assistants then too.
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 05:25:50 AM
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38636.0
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2021, 07:21:38 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 10:35:37 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 18, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
The last month they have looked slow, poorly coached, and hilariously unprepared... I currently do not have good feelings about the future under Klieman, but maybe that can change over the next month
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 18, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
there's still an opportunity for this to be an overall positive season, but, feels unlikely. i could stomach the OSU game without Skylar but the overall lack of competitiveness in all three of the conf games so far is eye opening.
The only path I see this to being a positive season is:
4 - 0 vs KU, WVU, TCU, Tech
1 - 1 (or better) vs BU and Texas
Bowl win against a good team.
Any combination that just gets us bowl eligible is a pretty meh season.
Any thing less than bowl eligible is a disaster.
I see a small chance of a "positive" season (5% or less) and about and equal chance of a "meh" or "disaster" season.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared..
yes. what happened to this? Stanford isn't good but they're not bad enough that the first game meant nothing.
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:01:13 AM
Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared..
yes. what happened to this? Stanford isn't good but they're not bad enough that the first game meant nothing.
legitimately injuries plus we played three teams quite a bit better than Stanford
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2021, 11:02:07 AM
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Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2021, 11:13:43 AM
I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2021, 11:17:56 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games. If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.
Which 4 teams?
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:24:49 AM
It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games. If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.
Which 4 teams?
IMO this is an optimistic (but somewhat realistic) possibility:
1-0 vs. @KU
2-1 vs. TCU/WVU/@TT
1-1 vs. BU/@UT
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:26:10 AM
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 18, 2021, 11:27:46 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable.
I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.
Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 11:29:09 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable.
I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.
Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.
LOFL
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:34:20 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable.
I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.
Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.
snyder after bye weeks:
2018: @OU: L 51-14
2017: BU: W @33-20
2016: @BU: W 42-21
2015: @OSU: L 34-36,
2015 Thursday game after a bye: BU L24-34, after the Thursday game @TT L 44-59
:dunno:
Post by: cfbandyman on October 18, 2021, 11:34:29 AM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.
One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.
This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:36:55 AM
Is TCU bad? I can’t really see us winning more than 3 more and even that feels generous.
they aren't great and we play them at home.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 11:50:22 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 11:51:33 AM
Post by: Katpappy on October 18, 2021, 11:54:53 AM
Post by: WildcatNation on October 18, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 12:01:53 PM
Pretty sure this coaching staff has never beaten WVU or Texas and maybe TCU? Too lazy to look, but seriously doubt we beat any of those teams this year.
Will Howard led the cats to victory against TCU on the road last season. They've come close enough to beating WVU that it isn't impossible.
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 12:03:57 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 18, 2021, 12:13:59 PM
but yeah I don't see any way we beat Texas the last game of the season. could maybe sneak an upset against them the first game of the year but not with our depth at the end of the year.
Yeah, they legit could've scored 100+ on us last year in the same situation.
Post by: nicname on October 18, 2021, 12:34:44 PM
KU is prob the only one we can't lose.
I think we find 2-3 more wins against the rest.
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2021, 12:43:18 PM
Like I can see us beating TT, WVU, and Kansas and people expecting us to run the table and then melting down when we finish 1-2.
That seems about right to me.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 18, 2021, 01:30:06 PM
Texas is prob the only game we can't win.
KU is prob the only one we can't lose.
I think we find 2-3 more wins against the rest.
I don't think its happening in any way, but just for fun, does he get fired if he loses to KU?
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
Texas is prob the only game we can't win.
KU is prob the only one we can't lose.
I think we find 2-3 more wins against the rest.
I don't think its happening in any way, but just for fun, does he get fired if he loses to KU?
We owe him too much money.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 18, 2021, 01:43:47 PM
Kli will be here as long as Gene is. (if Gene gets canned, things could get interesting..but he won't)
Post by: wiley on October 18, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
Gene wouldn't fire oscar because his buyout was $2 million. And Klieman's buyout doesn't get below $5mill for like 4 more years.I mean, we have a new president coming in (do we know anything about that)? So I wouldn’t say Gene is 100% safe if both basketball and football remain lifeless.
Kli will be here as long as Gene is. (if Gene gets canned, things could get interesting..but he won't)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
Not sure what he did to earn this type of goodwill.
I'm gonna go with winning 8 games his first year with a roster that limped to 5 the year before. And not only won 8 but has some big, fun, wins. He's absolutely earned goodwill and it's ridiculous to think otherwise.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
Is TCU bad?
Very much so.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
Not sure what he did to earn this type of goodwill.
I'm gonna go with winning 8 games his first year with a roster that limped to 5 the year before. And not only won 8 but has some big, fun, wins. He's absolutely earned goodwill and it's ridiculous to think otherwise.
thank you, i agree with this
Post by: SHTexas on October 18, 2021, 02:41:53 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 02:44:53 PM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable.
I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.
Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.
LOFL
I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the visitors we've been getting? I'm not going to pull the rivals profiles for these guys, you should do it. We're recruiting better high school players than we ever have in the history of the program. Will we land them :dunno: but they are absolutely putting in the work.
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554479624359939?t=LuH0Bp77Y4W6klGWiaKHIg&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449553356679229443?t=4eNE5lhLrHyTZIu4zVFtnw&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449553725329129475?t=O3slIWApTEtwUag3TzkLqA&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554093010259969?t=ZO699djfjqXJCCm1DDBUFw&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449555106614108162?t=YCn2PiDb8_5YVMU1WnZM8g&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449555550275084292?t=wKnON4UrUzaEMc5UXz5Mlg&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449555971601321984?t=lP2B4tWCp-KlSzabou8UGA&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449556188929134595?t=QRvnCcJ4tXHLmAuJFvla-w&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449556993052659713?t=vBpxqK9al2E6sq2-zaRdeA&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449557664258797574?t=IHI17w5yja_WGNexpThtmA&s=19
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449558039590318083?t=XhCfvqNDtEkmg-8t1snKLQ&s=19
Look at that jacket :love:
https://twitter.com/mudia_reuben/status/1449559146819371014?t=-_chsQW44xrKJsjEpLAimQ&s=19
Also I don't know who they were but there were some recruits in the west side K-State superstore, they were looking for that lavender quarter zip, like I was, one of them says to the other "are you going to wear burnt orange when you go to UT in a couple of weeks?" He answered, "eff naw."
Post by: Trim on October 18, 2021, 03:00:15 PM
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19
This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19
This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.
Believe it or not that’s the best recruit of them all
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2021, 03:33:12 PM
This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.Great ruse.
Post by: Trim on October 18, 2021, 03:36:41 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 03:51:47 PM
:ROFL:https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19
This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 04:03:15 PM
https://twitter.com/mudia_reuben/status/1449559146819371014?t=-_chsQW44xrKJsjEpLAimQ&s=19
wait a minute
(from the kstateo thread)
https://www.fanatics.com/college/kansas-state-wildcats/kansas-state-wildcats-nike-2021-team-sideline-performance-pullover-hoodie-black/o-38+t-34417943+p-269049830014+z-9-3922799302?_ref=p-TLP:m-GRID:i-r0c0:po-0
WOOF
Yeah, that's fugly
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2021, 05:00:56 PM
Tevita Fehoko;
Daron Bowles;
Gervarrius Owens;
Isaiah Stewart;
Danny Walker;
Cornelius Ruff;
Xavier Davis;
Spencer Misko;
Josh Brown;
Anthony Payne;
Bill Kuduk;
Bernard Goodwater;
Tancey Richardson;
Antonio Oliver;
Aiden Mills
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 05:10:59 PM
i was looking back at the 2016-2019 classes that the legend pulled in. For context, the 2017 class would be RS seniors this year (assuming no extra covid eligiblity year). It makes a lot of sense that our roster mostly stinks. Look at this list of 15 players, all from the same class. I am an ardent follower of K-State football, and I didn't recognize a single one of these names:
Tevita Fehoko;
Daron Bowles;
Gervarrius Owens;
Isaiah Stewart;
Danny Walker;
Cornelius Ruff;
Xavier Davis;
Spencer Misko;
Josh Brown;
Anthony Payne;
Bill Kuduk;
Bernard Goodwater;
Tancey Richardson;
Antonio Oliver;
Aiden Mills
that's pretty wild. I'm gonna google some of these dudes.
Post by: pissclams on October 18, 2021, 05:25:45 PM
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449553356679229443?s=21
not avery johnson
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 05:31:34 PM
https://wingatebulldogs.com/sports/football/roster/daron-bowles/9897 (also juco but playing at wingate?)
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/college-football/nfl-draft/player/40367/gervarrius-owens (juco, signed w/ Minnesota, released by Minnesota, playing at Houston)
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/isaiah-stewart/1364 (no idea what happened)
https://niuhuskies.com/sports/football/roster/danny-walker/4729 (not sure if he ever made it to campus or recorded a stat at Northern Illinois)
https://wusports.com/sports/football/roster/cornelius-ruff/6154
https://www.bringonthecats.com/2017/5/28/15706364/98-days-to-2017-kickoff-xavier-davis (looks like a good recruit but no idea what happened to him?)
https://www.instagram.com/spencermisko/?hl=en I think he will graduate but not as a member of the football team
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/videos/_/id/212015/josh-brown (no idea)
https://missouristatebears.com/sports/football/roster/anthony-payne/6238
https://kentstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/bill-kuduk/12266
https://pvpanthers.com/sports/football/roster/bernard-goodwater-iii/5108
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/news/richardson-departs-the-k-state-class
https://nmstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/antonio-oliver/8277
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing football
(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 05:33:24 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2021, 05:47:01 PM
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing footballlol what a baller.
(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors. When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix).
Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State. Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).
2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.
Crazy. Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU. I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort. If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing footballlol what a baller.
(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors. When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix).
Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State. Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).
2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.
Crazy. Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU. I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort. If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.
How many LB’s we got from the 2020 class still? DT’s?
Post by: muqluk on October 18, 2021, 06:15:22 PM
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing footballlol what a baller.
(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors. When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix).
Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State. Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).
2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.
Crazy. Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU. I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort. If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.
I put those same pieces together Saturday during the game as well. Even posted about it on the BotC game thread hitting on the same points. We are suffering from COVID from both the injury/barely able to field a team issues last year as well as even while we have multiple super-seniors they aren’t of a quality that really makes a difference that we ‘get’ them for another year. On top of that, our best recruit in years didn’t play a down last year in HS so we’re suffering coming and going.
Teams like Kentucky, Iowa State and others are having a banner year riding the fruits of a relatively untouched 2020 year along with decent to good SSrs. Many of those teams are likely to have a steep drop back down to their median next year however. Conversely, I’m quietly optimistic about next year for us.
Post by: Winters on October 18, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Pastore looks like a 35 year old 7th grade social studies teacher. I'm rooting for him.
Those in the know say he is easily the best lineman we have recruited in the Klieman era.
Post by: nicname on October 18, 2021, 07:13:34 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.
One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.
This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.
Yep. Snyder 2.0 understood this, special teams (still pretty good aside from some missed FGs this year), and the need to run the QB. If you aren’t going to get the horses, this crap is mega important.
Post by: muqluk on October 18, 2021, 07:27:21 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.
One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.
This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.
Yep. Snyder 2.0 understood this, special teams (still pretty good aside from some missed FGs this year), and the need to run the QB. If you aren’t going to get the horses, this crap is mega important.
Saying OSU, OU and ISU played cleanly is certainly an interesting take
Edit: quoted the wrong post but I’m too lazy to edit more than this
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 09:12:55 AM
it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors. When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix).
Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State. Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).
2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.
Crazy. Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU. I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort. If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.
another dlew post in the "i needed this" column
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 19, 2021, 09:43:29 AM
Klieman ain't going anywhere, but having an 8th year QB in your 3rd season, I think we need to see some positives to end the year or jimmies will be rustled.
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 10:02:42 AM
QB-hope rubely pans out
LB-WTF but way more about the last staff
WR-Garber and RJ???
TE-Complete Shlt show
They've done a decent job in other places. Felix and Duke showed to be game wreckers, sucks to lose Boom and Duke, most teams would struggle losing their best DL.
RB-Great
OL-Seems to be pretty darn good.
DB's-Not getting any help by not getting any pressure, but I feel like they are mostly in the right places.
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 10:15:24 AM
CK will absolutely get 5 years and probably 6.WRs I think are going to get figured out. As far as underclassmen go, Garber, Garcia, Travis have all been spoken pretty highly of. Garber has gotten quite a bit of PT this season. Decent chance of landing Reuben. Not a horrible underclassmen core.
QB-hope rubely pans out
LB-WTF but way more about the last staff
WR-Garber and RJ???
TE-Complete Shlt show
They've done a decent job in other places. Felix and Duke showed to be game wreckers, sucks to lose Boom and Duke, most teams would struggle losing their best DL.
RB-Great
OL-Seems to be pretty darn good.
DB's-Not getting any help by not getting any pressure, but I feel like they are mostly in the right places.
DT and LB are the biggest roster concerns moving forward, imo.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 10:23:16 AM
Post by: Pete on October 19, 2021, 12:23:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
Can't blame Gene for anything he said. He said what he's supposed to say. Nothing else he can say.
I especially liked that he said "bitch"
Post by: Katpappy on October 19, 2021, 12:51:08 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1450519895846838277?s=20
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 01:17:52 PM
oh no
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1450519895846838277?s=20
Obviously a call out to oscar
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Fitz must be talking shlt
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 01:20:54 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 19, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 01:37:03 PM
Post by: wiley on October 19, 2021, 01:41:24 PM
oh noJust watched it, awkward at the press conference but he was talking about out how 18 to 22 year olds read the headlines. It’s a nothing burger, but obviously it’s a no no for Alabama or Texas coaches.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1450519895846838277?s=20
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
Post by: _33 on October 19, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
Post by: Trim on October 19, 2021, 01:49:26 PM
Post by: Trim on October 19, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
Post by: wiley on October 19, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 01:53:30 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 19, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 02:11:09 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 19, 2021, 02:11:43 PM
I’d love to see someone produce a single piece of negative media from those that cover kstate during the Klieman era
Yeah, this is a big yikes from me. Maybe it wasn't the best idea to add a huge buyout to a former D2 coach that thinks the Manhattan KS media is a bunch of meanies. :dunno:
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 19, 2021, 02:25:04 PM
mehI don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 02:27:59 PM
Yeah - question was basically: given how much you talked about how close the team was over the offseason, how are they reacting to the adversity they're facing?mehI don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
Post by: chum1 on October 19, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 19, 2021, 02:53:12 PM
meh, smellis making a mountain out of a moleYeah - question was basically: given how much you talked about how close the team was over the offseason, how are they reacting to the adversity they're facing?mehI don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 19, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 19, 2021, 03:05:26 PM
There's also a big difference in Klieman saying that players dealing with negativity in the media, social media, etc. is tough for a college student athlete to handle (very true) and outright asking members of the media to help by not being negative.
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 03:05:51 PM
meh, smellis making a mountain out of a moleYeah - question was basically: given how much you talked about how close the team was over the offseason, how are they reacting to the adversity they're facing?mehI don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
I see what you did here, well done.
Post by: _33 on October 19, 2021, 03:10:13 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 19, 2021, 04:59:08 PM
i don't really think the comment was as bad as smellis' tweet implied. it's not great, but it's also not that bad.
Don't forget he's a rough ridin' squawk. :flush:
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 19, 2021, 05:04:39 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 05:48:58 PM
meh. I feel like he's trying to send a message to his team through the media and it got away from him a little bit. Wasn't great but who cares. It's not like he made a murder joke on national television after killing two people.agreed.
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 06:06:24 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 19, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
Post by: bucket on October 19, 2021, 06:52:07 PM
Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
Post by: Pete on October 19, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
He's never coached with players that were not as talented as his opponent, has he? At NDSU, they just lined up and ran it down people's throat with better players.
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 07:10:29 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
He's never coached with players that were not as talented as his opponent, has he? At NDSU, they just lined up and ran it down people's throat with better players.
I mean he coached games against P5 teams with decent success
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 07:20:09 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 07:26:32 PM
The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU. He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick.I believe that. They were great recruiters at NDSU. It should have translated better here.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 07:33:40 PM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434
Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
I would imagine there’s a reason that highly touted kids end up at mizzou and it’s not that drinko is some recruiting phenomhttps://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434
Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
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Post by: bucket on October 19, 2021, 08:03:53 PM
I would imagine there’s a reason that highly touted kids end up at mizzou and it’s not that drinko is some recruiting phenomhttps://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434
Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
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Was the gap really that wide between the Big 12 and SEC before OU and UT became a bunch of bitches?
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 08:21:07 PM
I would imagine there’s a reason that highly touted kids end up at mizzou and it’s not that drinko is some recruiting phenomhttps://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434
Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
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Was the gap really that wide between the Big 12 and SEC before OU and UT became a bunch of bitches?
he’s talking bout money, honey
Post by: bucket on October 19, 2021, 08:29:14 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 09:28:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 19, 2021, 09:59:11 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.
One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.
This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.
Yep. Snyder 2.0 understood this, special teams (still pretty good aside from some missed FGs this year), and the need to run the QB. If you aren’t going to get the horses, this crap is mega important.
Saying OSU, OU and ISU played cleanly is certainly an interesting take
Edit: quoted the wrong post but I’m too lazy to edit more than this
They pretty much did, 5 TO vs 1 combined in those 3 games, 1 of them returned for a TD, 1 ended the opening drive vs OU that basically changed the game/was the game, and 1 vs ISU that stopped a team that finally looked to get it's footing.
Penalties were basically even between all 3 teams, but we by far get penalized big in big situations (thinking about the back to back personal fouls vs OSU on their second drive that allowed them to go up 14-10). Not to mention all 3 QBs we faced basically played perfect games, where Howard sucked balls and Lewis did a lil better for OSU, Skylar had a pretty good game vs OU, and a meh game vs ISU. Basically, we just never got anything together in all 3 games and/or blew huge opportunities that make the difference, and quite simply put OSU, OU, and ISU didn't.
Snyder teams at least would cut those penalties down, and turnovers. All those add up in the end, so it doesn't surprise me that a roughly equal talented k-state team is losing games now vs Snyder just based on those results.
That being said I do like Klieman's more loose play style, in that he doesn't seem to mind mixing it up more often or throwing guys in to see what will happen, the more in general aggressive defense and tendency to take risks and be comfortable with it. Those however are offset with lack of discipline, and sometimes getting too stuck in the game plan and not being willing to ditch something that isn't working.
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
I don't buy that for a second and yes, the gap in recruiting between the SEC and everyone else has been and will continue to be that broad. Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, and every other mediocre SEC school has a leg up on players the top tier schools don't want, the same way Big 12 schools battled through the 90's and 00's for Texas and Oklahoma recruits that didn't go to UT, OU, and A&M. If you're the 8th best guard from Mississippi are you more likely to play for Missouri, Iowa State, or Colorado?This is what I was getting at.
And taking kids with stars and maybe skirting the evals
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Post by: Trim on October 20, 2021, 01:16:10 AM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434
Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
COVID.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2021, 08:30:02 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 20, 2021, 08:52:51 AM
I wonder if CK thinks gE is party of the media and he keeps hearing about this "Fire Chris Klieman" thread getting bumped every week. :Keke:
Maybe we should be the ones sending him the "I'm sorry" tub of cottage cheese.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 20, 2021, 08:55:12 AM
Throughout the South the HS’s recruit, football coaches make $150k or more and drive courtesy cars from the local dealerships. Parents rent extended stay hotel rooms and address their kid out of the hotel for football. I digress.
Kli needs to get the coffee pots brewing and close some deals.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 20, 2021, 09:06:25 AM
watch the entire press conference. Klieman isn't a coach making excuses, his messages are perfectly acceptable, he remains likeable and I want him to succeed and think he can long term.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 20, 2021, 09:32:00 AM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2021, 09:39:58 AM
it's a quote that looks bad on twitter, especially when you spin it like squawk eff head Kellis (i like Kellis, whatever).Sounds like he's talking about all of us when he says "we". Nick Leckey loved it this morning on 810, so my thoughts on it are confirmed.
watch the entire press conference. Klieman isn't a coach making excuses, his messages are perfectly acceptable, he remains likeable and I want him to succeed and think he can long term.
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2021, 09:44:46 AM
The bag man lives strong in the SEC. It’s 1000% fact. As he does in other areas. That dumbass Jeremy Pruitt got caught doing stuff the bag men do.
Throughout the South the HS’s recruit, football coaches make $150k or more and drive courtesy cars from the local dealerships. Parents rent extended stay hotel rooms and address their kid out of the hotel for football. I digress.
Kli needs to get the coffee pots brewing and close some deals.
I think there is a bump the SEC brings to mizzou now that UT and OU are going there but if you look at the recruiting trajectory from when they joined to the 2021 and 2022 classes something has drastically changed. Maybe new guy is just that much better at recruiting but I’m guessing they are playing more in the Gray areas than they used to.
Post by: PIPE on October 20, 2021, 11:12:40 AM
We only need maybe 2-3 4 Stars per class with solid 3 stars and we can have a great chance.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 20, 2021, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2021, 11:20:05 AM
Our recruiting is just bad. Currently 75th per Rivals. Our best recruit is a white kid from El Dorado.....WOOF
We only need maybe 2-3 4 Stars per class with solid 3 stars and we can have a great chance.
We don’t have any commits from El Dorado. Our best recruit is a OL from Colorado.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 20, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 20, 2021, 11:33:39 AM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 20, 2021, 11:52:38 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2021, 11:56:42 AM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....
I don’t agree at all, it’s just a function of having 12 recruits so far.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....
lol, no, we can't all agree to that. The eff you talking about?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 20, 2021, 12:09:23 PM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....
lol, no, we can't all agree to that. The eff you talking about?
I'm rough ridin' talking about having the #70 ranked recruiting class for 2022 right now. Snyder's worst during the second stint was in 2016 where he brought in the #72 ranked class.
Post by: DQ12 on October 20, 2021, 12:21:04 PM
rivals said 2016 class was 80th. either way, i'm not going to get that worked up about it...we're still a ways off from signing day(s) and with transfer stuff the way it is, we're comparing apples and oranges. Class of 2020 is looking like it's going to turn out pretty well.We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....
lol, no, we can't all agree to that. The eff you talking about?
I'm rough ridin' talking about having the #70 ranked recruiting class for 2022 right now. Snyder's worst during the second stint was in 2016 where he brought in the #72 ranked class.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 20, 2021, 12:39:56 PM
Post by: slackcat on October 21, 2021, 07:08:12 AM
Let the playmakers make plays and not micro manage the defense... gonna need to get used to this..
https://twitter.com/Pete_Francis/status/1136805330506145799?s=19
This hasn't aged well
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 07:25:20 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 08:29:23 AM
But they'll get a pass because of the extreme dereliction of duty by the previous leader of K-State football in recruiting P5 talent.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 21, 2021, 08:43:35 AM
This isn't a Power 5 level staff for the weekly P5 grind.
But they'll get a pass because of the extreme dereliction of duty by the previous leader of K-State football in recruiting P5 talent.
????
where is there precedent that indicates the staff will get a pass if the results aren't there?
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 08:56:35 AM
Yeah which part hasn't aged well?Let the playmakers make plays and not micro manage the defense... gonna need to get used to this..
https://twitter.com/Pete_Francis/status/1136805330506145799?s=19
This hasn't aged well
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 09:09:28 AM
This isn't a Power 5 level staff for the weekly P5 grind.
But they'll get a pass because of the extreme dereliction of duty by the previous leader of K-State football in recruiting P5 talent.
????
where is there precedent that indicates the staff will get a pass if the results aren't there?
Oh, they won't get a pass in some circles.
But the simple fact is the Fargo Progressive Dinner Club that's taken over our athletic department is going to be cashing K-State checks for many years to come. Gene gave his guy a huge buyout and so nothing is going to change.
While we don't have tax shelters, personal loans, huge payments to LLC's for simply doing their job and contracts on napkins (that we know of) . . . this little fiefdom that Gene has set up is just as tidy on many levels.
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 09:16:30 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
whether he "gets a pass" from people or not, his buyout is too large to even consider firing him until at least 2025.
Maybe we'll win a conference game by then. (been a whole year already, LOFL)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 09:27:10 AM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 09:27:49 AM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
I can't wait for him to win this week, so you all can stfu about the conference losing streak. He lost to 3 top 25 teams in a row this year and lost 5 in a row last year after losing his senior QB and played a true freshman at QB that got zero spring ball due to the pandemic and barely knew the playbook, but lets don't discuss semantics. Rage on.
Goal #5.
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 09:33:39 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.Probably purple apathy and stupid fitz
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.Some people thought it was a bit premature. I thought it was fine. Buyout is a little steep for me, but what're ya gonna do.
Gene taking a personal raise mid-pandemic ruffled my feathers quite a bit more.
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
Post by: slackcat on October 21, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 09:53:15 AM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 21, 2021, 09:56:19 AM
When is Myers retiring? I was thinking there would be more smoke around the hiring of a new UP by now.
From what I heard, they've just about got the search committee together. That process isn't going anywhere soon
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 09:59:51 AM
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now. Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough.:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke). Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt. Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.I think what was upsetting to me is that we didn’t appear to try and match Hazelton’s salary (yet Klieman gets a raise). I think this year probably looks different if he’s the coordinator. But someone had suggested that we started to talk about the 3-3-5 when hazelton was here and that could have been another reason he wasn’t staying. All guesses but an interesting thought either way.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now. Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough.:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke). Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt. Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 10:06:48 AM
I guess when he's responsible for most of the roster. I'm not really going to hold his feet to the fire too much for the '19 class, given that he didn't even start until midish december.Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now. Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough.:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke). Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt. Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
From the early returns, the '20 class looks great.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 10:08:15 AM
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now. Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough.:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke). Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt. Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
It should start now and ramp up by next year if things aren't trending. They've really got to nail it this year and in the transfer portal.
Don't pay any attention to the usual suspects who rage out at every perceived slight of K-State. Real world discussion about the factual realities are going on here.
I again will note the total failure of the previous staff and head coach to properly recruit at the Power 5 level, but we're rapidly approaching the period when this staff fully owns that process.
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 10:09:34 AM
FWIW, I will say that the losses on the recruiting trail are disappointing and concerning. But they lost plenty in '20 too, and given the quick progression of guys like Hadley Panser, I kind of trust this staff to be able to scramble if they need to.Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now. Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough.:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke). Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt. Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
It should start now and ramp up by next year if things aren't trending. They've really got to nail it this year and in the transfer portal.
Don't pay any attention to the usual suspects who rage out at every perceived slight of K-State. Real world discussion about the factual realities are going on here.
I again will note the total failure of the previous staff and head coach to properly recruit at the Power 5 level, but we're rapidly approaching the period when this staff fully owns that process.
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
(trigger warning for wacky: I'm joking)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 10:38:30 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
Yes, it absolutely infuriated everyone on the academic side of the university (WGAF though right?), and a significant amount of people within the AD (everyone making 100k+ was working at a discount last year)
If you're talking about the fanbase, the smart ones weren't happy about it, especially the optics of it all.
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 21, 2021, 11:02:38 AM
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach
Post by: chum1 on October 21, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.Probably purple apathy and stupid fitz
I thought it was weird and unnecessary at the time but didn't really look into enough to see what the buyout was. Had I known or realized that we gave a D2 coach an enormous buyout for no reason at all other than his pal gave it to him, I prob would have complained. :dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2021, 11:35:56 AM
When is Myers retiring? I was thinking there would be more smoke around the hiring of a new UP by now.
From what I heard, they've just about got the search committee together. That process isn't going anywhere soon
God I hope we don’t eff this up again
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 11:46:43 AM
Will you stop being a dumbass and calling him a D2 coach? It's very idiotic and annoying, which is probably what you're going for, or you're just arrogant and stupid. Either way, it's dumb.
Yup, it's called FCS.
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 11:48:17 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.Probably purple apathy and stupid fitz
I thought it was weird and unnecessary at the time but didn't really look into enough to see what the buyout was. Had I known or realized that we gave a D2 coach an enormous buyout for no reason at all other than his pal gave it to him, I prob would have complained. :dunno:
Again, the Fargo Progressive Dinner Club has taken over our athletic department and it's just buds payin buds here.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
I'm OK with calling him a D2 coach FWIWBecause you like being a smart ass?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
Yup and before that, it was D1-AA. Stop acting like we just hired a coach from Washburn.Will you stop being a dumbass and calling him a D2 coach? It's very idiotic and annoying, which is probably what you're going for, or you're just ignorant and stupid. Either way, it's dumb.
Yup, it's called FCS.
Post by: Cire on October 21, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 12:16:59 PM
I'm OK with calling him a D2 coach FWIWBecause you like being a smart ass?
perhaps
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Go Cats
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 12:28:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 21, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 01:19:09 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.
I respect the passion. Just wish he was on team #firekliegoober.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 01:23:28 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.:curse: :lol:
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 01:50:26 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.
I respect the passion. Just wish he was on team #firekliegoober.
I don't think he should be fired yet at all, I just can't believe we gave him a buyout that is higher than Mario Cristobol's and "lots" of other coaches. That is just bonkers. He coached at a D1 however many A's school forever and then took at job in KS to work for his buddy. Where the hell did they think he was going to run off to?
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 02:16:47 PM
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
Post by: kstate4life on October 21, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
One had an NFL QB, the other...
Post by: cfbandyman on October 21, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU. He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick.I believe that. They were great recruiters at NDSU. It should have translated better here.
Agreed to a point, I think branding and the tradition helps a lot. I'd imagine at FCS level you're essentially writing off the top of the top guys since they go D1 so you're got to be good at finding guys who are going to be good but are going to be passed over, which it appears (and many of remarked) he's been good at identifying talent early.
I think the bigger miss so far is he's from a school that basically was/is the Alabama of the FCS, and while I'm sure Saban works hard to recruit, once you got that type of system set up it's not like you gotta try too hard "wanna win a championship" is a pretty damn easy sell to big time recruits, and it's not like Saban was told "no" a lot. I think he's probably really a bit having to get that built up being thrown into the middle of the pack, not slotted in at the top.
Hopefully he is able to start getting more yesses rather than noes and eventually it straightens itself out.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 02:21:41 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.
Post by: Trim on October 21, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.
Here's the numbers at their same points in time, respectively:
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/1449565518915010564
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 21, 2021, 02:30:31 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.
Well, they both do have a 6 in them so they are like 50% the same.
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 02:30:39 PM
The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU. He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick.I believe that. They were great recruiters at NDSU. It should have translated better here.
Agreed to a point, I think branding and the tradition helps a lot. I'd imagine at FCS level you're essentially writing off the top of the top guys since they go D1 so you're got to be good at finding guys who are going to be good but are going to be passed over, which it appears (and many of remarked) he's been good at identifying talent early.
I think the bigger miss so far is he's from a school that basically was/is the Alabama of the FCS, and while I'm sure Saban works hard to recruit, once you got that type of system set up it's not like you gotta try too hard "wanna win a championship" is a pretty damn easy sell to big time recruits, and it's not like Saban was told "no" a lot. I think he's probably really a bit having to get that built up being thrown into the middle of the pack, not slotted in at the top.
He wasn't competing for top tier recruits, he was competing against lower-level FBS schools for recruits. And it's not like there's a magic dividing line between FCS and FBS and he just got all the best FCS recruits and none of the FBS ones. Evaluation and closing is also super important at that level because your best receipts can easily get snatched up by FBS.
I think the championship thing is a decent point but they still had to be great evaluators and closers to sustain what they did at NDSU and there's no reason that shouldn't have translated. (And I think it has to an extent with quite a few guys)
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 02:39:45 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.
Here's the numbers at their same points in time, respectively:
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/1449565518915010564
The difference is KU, that's it. A very competitive KU changes these numbers for Ron and ended his time at K-State. A hilariously/historically bad KU will keep Kli around.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 02:42:42 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 02:49:34 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.
Gene wouldn't fire oscar w/ a $2mill buyout after the worst (close to it?) 2 year stretch in the history of our program.
Klieman isn't getting fired... probably ever by Gene (Gene would be fired before CK)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 03:05:08 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 03:12:42 PM
He also never beat MU and NU and went 0-9 vs his rivals. That will do it. And again, nobody was calling Prince after his first year.
You have said this a few times and I'm genuinely asking. Who was calling for CK? Was there any real indication that he would even consider leaving? I can maybe see someone "calling" after his first year, because ADs always make "calls", but was there any real indication that he would ever take said "call"?
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2021, 03:12:52 PM
Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.
You think one of our donors is going to pay 20 million to fire Klieman and his assistants and let Gene pick another replacement?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.
You think one of our donors is going to pay 20 million to fire Klieman and his assistants and let Gene pick another replacement?
I think we would find a way. The best case for Klieman would be Gene getting fired after that season and then he coaches a lame duck season next year.
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 03:19:51 PM
Better hope they also donate money for good assistant salaries or we’ll continue down the MVC assistants.Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.
You think one of our donors is going to pay 20 million to fire Klieman and his assistants and let Gene pick another replacement?
I think we would find a way. The best case for Klieman would be Gene getting fired after that season and then he coaches a lame duck season next year.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 03:21:47 PM
Michigan St. for sure. Rumors from big donors said Iowa was unsure what Ferentz wanted to do for a period, so they called to play grab ass with Kli's agent as well. Since Michigan St. got mushed by Kli, they stole our DC instead with their new hire.He also never beat MU and NU and went 0-9 vs his rivals. That will do it. And again, nobody was calling Prince after his first year.
You have said this a few times and I'm genuinely asking. Who was calling for CK? Was there any real indication that he would even consider leaving? I can maybe see someone "calling" after his first year, because ADs always make "calls", but was there any real indication that he would ever take said "call"?
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 03:29:50 PM
Post by: Trim on October 21, 2021, 03:33:04 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.
The curiosity would be if he loses his next 3.
From this point, here's RP's schedule:
L @ colorado
L vs oklahoma
L @ kansas
L @ missouri
L vs nebraska
W vs iowa state.
But if it was after that 3rd L that KSU informed him he was done at year-end.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
I've said it before but I'll say it again: If Prince wasn't a maniac losing every game by 3+scores with a disastrous insane juco class and assistants leaving left and right, he probably would have stayed based on his record alone. 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, wasn't that bad based on Bill's two seasons prior.
If you swap a KU win with someone else and his record remained the same each season, but he was 3-0 against KU, all the insanity would have been pushed aside and he probably would've been here a few more years.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 03:39:59 PM
Buyout:
2022: 15.3 mil ($3.5 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
2023: 12.7 mil ($4 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
2024: 8.6 mil ($4.3 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
2025: 4.3 mil ($4.3 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
He's here through the life of this contract.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 03:42:02 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
I've said it before but I'll say it again: If Prince wasn't a maniac losing every game by 3+scores with a disastrous insane juco class and assistants leaving left and right, he probably would have stayed based on his record alone. 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, wasn't that bad based on Bill's two seasons prior.
If you swap a KU win with someone else and his record remained the same each season, but he was 3-0 against KU, all the insanity would have been pushed aside and he probably would've been here a few more years.
I disagree
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.
The curiosity would be if he loses his next 3.
From this point, here's RP's schedule:
L @ colorado
L vs oklahoma
L @ kansas
L @ missouri
L vs nebraska
W vs iowa state.
But if it was after that 3rd L that KSU informed him he was done at year-end.
His next 3 are Tech, TCU, and Kansas. If he goes 0-3 in that stretch, he's going to finish 0-6. I would be disappointed with 2-1 in that stretch.
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
If Ron would've lost his starting QB in 2007 and we had to roll through games with redshirt freshman CCQ through the rest of the year, I imagine his record would've been a lot worse. It's not really CK's fault that Thompson was injured from a roughing the passer penalty last season and that his true freshman QB with no spring wasn't really much help.
People bring this up a lot, but shouldn't Ron be given credit for recruiting Josh Freeman? It's not a knock that he was HIS QB. Klieman recruited Will Howard and he was forced to play. They are quarterbacks that each coach brought in. It shouldn't be another Klieman excuse, it's their job to bring in the best players they can.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 04:20:02 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 04:25:54 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2021, 04:44:40 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on October 21, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
Who are KState's rivals these days? Or does Klieman get pass because it's only KU now?
KU and Iowas State?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 05:42:03 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.
I guess some people are cool with living in a post fact world.
The hilarious thing about the stupid D2 thing is the same people doing that are the same ones who creamed their britches about Seth LittreLL and it's funny that people say that to denigrate Klieman because North Texas always has been and probably always be a significantly worse program than NDSU. Good FCS schools are light years better than bad Sun Belt and CUSA schools.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 05:45:16 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.
Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
Y'all gotta stop talking about that buyout, he got that buyout because when it was given it was apparent there was no conceivable scenario he was going to be fired for on the field results before 2023. That number could be $100 million and it wouldn't mean a single thing.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 06:00:22 PM
Who are KState's rivals these days? Or does Klieman get pass because it's only KU now?
I think the other two rivals/measuring stick programs are ISU and OSU.
My question is though why do people keep comparing him to Ron? Why are we pretending the situations are even close to the same thing?
Are we going to act like the off the field stuff didn't get Ron fired, is that what we're now gonna do? If that's what we're doing that's some very convenient revisionist history, especially coming from this board who's second most popular thread o.a.t. was all about Ron and his program off of the field.
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
With the caveat that I know that on field performance isn't everything, it's still the case that the on field performance isn't that different between the two, and it basically boils down to:
We no longer play two of our major rivals and KU is historically bad.
The only game we can lose that people will really care about is KU, and it never really mattered how good or bad they are.
'Beat KU' is the only real requirement to be a coach at KSU.
And we're not that unique in that regard when it comes to rivalries.
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 08:05:31 PM
People will accept if they pay their dues at a G5 school first.Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
I think the argument for Klieman over most FCS coaches is that he easily had the best program at that level for many years. Obviously, the others that came up in recent memory can't claim that.
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2021, 10:23:51 PM
People will accept if they pay their dues at a G5 school first.Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
I think the argument for Klieman over most FCS coaches is that he easily had the best program at that level for many years. Obviously, the others that came up in recent memory can't claim that.
Yeah, Tressel and Klieman are the only two coaches to have won 4 FCS titles in its history.
Small sample size shows major FCS success means little to a coach's FBS prospects.
FCS WINNING COACHES' FBS COACHING RESUMES
Jim Tressel (tOSU): 10 seasons, 106-22 (66-14), 1 natty, 7 conf titles, 10 bowls (8 BCS).
Paul Johnson (Navy, GT): Navy, 6 seasons, 45-29, 1 top-25 finish, 5 bowls. Georgia Tech, 11 seasons, 82-61 (51-37), 1 conference title, 1 top 10 finish, 3 top 25 finishes, 9 bowls (2 BCS).
Jim Donnan (Georgia): 5 seasons, 40-19 (25-15), 1 top 10 finish, 4 top 25 finishes, 4 bowls
Craig Bohl (Wyoming): 8 seasons, 42-46 (25-31), 3 bowls, 2 8-win seasons.
Chris Klieman (EMAW U): *3 seasons, 15-14 (9-12), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (8-5)
Joe Glenn (Wyoming): 6 seasons, 30-41 (15-31), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (7-5).
Mike London (Virginia): 6 seasons, 27-46 (14-34), 1 bowl, 1 8-win season.
Mike Houston (East Carolina): 3 seasons, 10-17 (5-13).
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Seeing Paul Johnson reminds me that Jeff Monken came to Army from Georgia Southern who was FCS at the time he left (D1 now I believe)People will accept if they pay their dues at a G5 school first.Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.Not perfect, but not earth shaking. CK is just not ready for this. When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
I think the argument for Klieman over most FCS coaches is that he easily had the best program at that level for many years. Obviously, the others that came up in recent memory can't claim that.
Yeah, Tressel and Klieman are the only two coaches to have won 4 FCS titles in its history.
Small sample size shows major FCS success means little to a coach's FBS prospects.
Jim Tressel (tOSU): 10 seasons, 106-22 (66-14), 1 natty, 7 conf titles, 10 bowls (8 BCS).
Paul Johnson (Navy, GT): Navy, 6 seasons, 45-29, 1 top-25 finish, 5 bowls. Georgia Tech, 11 seasons, 82-61 (51-37), 1 conference title, 1 top 10 finish, 3 top 25 finishes, 9 bowls (2 BCS).
Jim Donnan (Georgia): 5 seasons, 40-19 (25-15), 1 top 10 finish, 4 top 25 finishes, 4 bowls
Craig Bohl (Wyoming): 8 seasons, 42-46 (25-31), 3 bowls, 2 8-win seasons.
Chris Klieman (EMAW U): *3 seasons, 15-14 (9-12), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (8-5)
Joe Glenn (Wyoming): 6 seasons, 30-41 (15-31), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (7-5).
Mike London (Virginia): 6 seasons, 27-46 (14-34), 1 bowl, 1 8-win season.
Mike Houston (East Carolina): 3 seasons, 10-17 (5-13).
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2021, 11:01:08 PM
https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21
I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:17:19 PM
What better data are you looking for here to create your narrative? SEC is the minors to the NFL & this fan base is jealous of Mizzou’s recruiting class, while they’ll still have a subpar overall record to the cats.https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21
I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 11:37:50 PM
He's the only other coach on our lifetimes that we can compare him to that's not LHC Bill Snyder.
With the caveat that I know that on field performance isn't everything, it's still the case that the on field performance isn't that different between the two, and it basically boils down to:
We no longer play two of our major rivals and KU is historically bad.
The only game we can lose that people will really care about is KU, and it never really mattered how good or bad they are.
'Beat KU' is the only real requirement to be a coach at KSU.
And we're not that unique in that regard when it comes to rivalries.
Chingon, it doesn't matter that Prince was the only other coach, it's a shitty comparison, and you know it. It's just as stupid as someone using Snyder's record in '89-'91 to favorably reflect on Klieman's record. Acknowledging that there is no comp and we just have to judge Klieman on his own merits, in this moment, busts the narrative so y'all simply won't do it. Doesn't make forcing this narrative any less fraudulent though.
Post by: nicname on October 22, 2021, 02:57:59 AM
What better data are you looking for here to create your narrative? SEC is the minors to the NFL & this fan base is jealous of Mizzou’s recruiting class, while they’ll still have a subpar overall record to the cats.https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21
I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
No narrative involve. Interest.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2021, 07:37:01 AM
There’s just as much pressure from fans to recruit as there is to win games. It’s at a whole other level. That level doesn’t exist across the board in the Big 12.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
The top of the SEC has coaching staffs, starting with the head coach who recruit like mad men.I'm actually ok with that. SEC as a whole and their fans are massive weirdos. crap, we just beat Mississippi St. two years ago on the road. Will take.
There’s just as much pressure from fans to recruit as there is to win games. It’s at a whole other level. That level doesn’t exist across the board in the Big 12.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:21:52 AM
What better data are you looking for here to create your narrative? SEC is the minors to the NFL & this fan base is jealous of Mizzou’s recruiting class, while they’ll still have a subpar overall record to the cats.https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21
I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
Still have a subpar overall record? What exactly do you mean by that? Historically or recent? Our records have been almost identical for years, while they play in the SEC (albeit the shitty division).
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:33:32 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
While that doesn't have a lot to do with what I'll say here, but anyway, I was thinking. This weekend really is a huge game. I think K-State can win it, and if they do, I see the team going on to finish the year strong and hopefully changing the outlook of the program, from inside and an outsiders view.
Playing against a 3rd year coach we had a coaching search side-by-side with. Can get a read on the program and hopefully build off a road win the rest of the season.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:39:47 AM
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Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:40:36 AM
They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.
I don't think BC is terrible. Think they're rated right around TTech in a lot of metrics.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 22, 2021, 08:42:29 AM
The top of the SEC has coaching staffs, starting with the head coach who recruit like mad men.
There’s just as much pressure from fans to recruit as there is to win games. It’s at a whole other level. That level doesn’t exist across the board in the Big 12.
i'm with wacky on this one. i'm guilty of wanting better recruiting but i do not want to be like SEC weirdos.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:44:13 AM
They're worse than Stanford tho. So keep pounding away at those recruiting rankings Mizzou, taking L's.They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.
I don't think BC is terrible. Think they're rated right around TTech in a lot of metrics.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:49:21 AM
They're worse than Stanford tho. So keep pounding away at those recruiting rankings Mizzou, taking L's.They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.
I don't think BC is terrible. Think they're rated right around TTech in a lot of metrics.
Yup, they're probably worse than Stanford.. but I think you're talking to the wrong guy about "pounding" recruiting rankings? I'm just saying they're program record wise is damn near identical to ours, for years now, and how we reach get there doesn't really matter.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:53:49 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on October 22, 2021, 08:56:59 AM
None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.
If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.
Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 22, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.
None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.
If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.
Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
1-5 over the next 6, and we need to change a lot more than a coordinator or two. 3-3 feels like the basement to me.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 22, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.
None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.
If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.
Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
:lol: let's go on a 1-13 stretch in big 12 play and THEN maybe we can start asking some questions.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2021, 09:34:28 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.
None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.
If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.
Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
We've lost 8 straight conference games.
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.
This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 11:30:23 AM
We've lost 8 straight conference games.
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.
This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.
and uh, it's a blog for fans to talk about crap like this 24/7?
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 11:32:43 AM
Post by: Cardiac Cats on October 22, 2021, 12:46:36 PM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.
None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.
If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.
Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
We've lost 8 straight conference games.
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.
This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.
You could always donate (more?) money to all those worthy causes.
Afford better coordinators or ”attract” these elusive higher ranked recruits. Seems like a win win to me.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2021, 02:27:35 PM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.
None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.
If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.
Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
We've lost 8 straight conference games.
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.
This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.
You could always donate (more?) money to all those worthy causes.
Afford better coordinators or ”attract” these elusive higher ranked recruits. Seems like a win win to me.
Would be better spent than the building fund. Where's the link to the Go Fund Me for this initiate?
Post by: cas4ksu on October 22, 2021, 09:01:04 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2021, 09:51:58 PM
What's sad is the "at least we aren't (insert school here)" threads that make people feel better about K-State.
Post by: Trim on October 22, 2021, 10:50:56 PM
If we lose to Texas Tech tomorrow, I'm putting a "FOR SALE BY OWNER" sign in Klieman's yard first thing Sunday AM.
Shoe polish the car.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Everybody is making fun of MethU.What’s the point of recruiting “good” when you’re losing to shitty ACC teams and you’re going to end up with a losing record, AGAIN?
What's sad is the "at least we aren't (insert school here)" threads that make people feel better about K-State.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2021, 03:58:00 AM
Everybody is making fun of MethU.What’s the point of recruiting “good” when you’re losing to shitty ACC teams and you’re going to end up with a losing record, AGAIN?
What's sad is the "at least we aren't (insert school here)" threads that make people feel better about K-State.
I wasn't talking about recruiting. I was talking about the "I need to make myself feel better" tendencies of K-State Tuck Nation.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
Post by: slackcat on October 23, 2021, 08:56:21 AM
I guess when he's responsible for most of the roster. I'm not really going to hold his feet to the fire too much for the '19 class, given that he didn't even start until midish december.Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now. Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough.:confused:
Start at the 25 second mark. I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago. What's changed?? He took them to a bowl game in year one........
I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke). Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt. Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
From the early returns, the '20 class looks great.
Fair enough, but the pitchforks come out in '23 if crap is still the same.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 23, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on October 23, 2021, 11:18:06 AM
Post by: Winters on October 23, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
We need someone to calm the waters.
:surprised:
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 23, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
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Post by: Trim on October 23, 2021, 12:02:23 PM
Post by: Winters on October 23, 2021, 12:31:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JKnw6Jm_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)LOL
Post by: sys on October 23, 2021, 12:31:39 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 23, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
That aside, still on team #firekliegoober
Post by: CHONGS on October 23, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 23, 2021, 03:20:27 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 23, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
He won halftime. #coaching
Matt Wells tho
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 03:43:06 PM
that was the best third quarter I can remember. which isn't saying much it was really good.
Started with the Mess approved 3 and out.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 23, 2021, 04:16:27 PM
Post by: nicname on October 23, 2021, 04:30:59 PM
I won't complain much about a conference road win.
I believe this is what _FAN would call a “grinder,” and you absolutely don’t complain about a grinder W on the road in conference play.
Post by: Katpappy on October 23, 2021, 05:27:43 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on October 23, 2021, 05:54:46 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.We won the dang day.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 06:23:11 PM
Yeah, will take tho. I feel bad for our girl Janey Bird, but not really. Go cats!He won halftime. #coaching
Matt Wells tho
Post by: SHTexas on October 23, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
Post by: sys on October 23, 2021, 07:39:42 PM
Post by: SHTexas on October 23, 2021, 07:51:59 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.
Did he?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 23, 2021, 09:12:42 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.
Did he?
I mean defensively they went from allowing 24 pts per half to 0, so, it seems like an adjustment was made in some form or fashion. I suppose it’s possible kli - anticipating Wells adjusting to his adjustments - did himself make no adjustments. In that scenario though, I would have to say intentionally not making an adjustment is still an adjustment.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
But most conferences are that way.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 08:39:15 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 24, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2021, 10:29:52 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fam base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!
We were favored to win this game
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 11:01:12 AM
I just assumed with a road conference game vs 5-2 team. What was the line?That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fam base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!
We were favored to win this game
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2021, 11:06:18 AM
I just assumed with a road conference game vs 5-2 team. What was the line?That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fam base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!
We were favored to win this game
-1 :)
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2021, 11:09:24 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2021, 11:13:22 AM
I'll take 5 more being a little less awful than the other team games for the rest of the season.
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2021, 11:41:06 AM
We were 1 point dogs
Damn, upon further inspection you are correct. wackster is right again
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 12:02:58 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on October 24, 2021, 03:17:31 PM
We better win the next three, as difficult as the first three conference games were tech, tcu, KU, and WVU should be layups. All four might be as inept individually this year as they've ever been since they've been in this conference and the only one left on the road is the worst of the four. 7 wins is the absolute floor for this team. For this to be a successful season we need to sweep the next three and win one of the last two. There are some years when finishing 6th would be respectful, this is not one of those years.
I don't disagree, but I also don't think we'll get there. The last two games have been incredibly sloppy, almost like we're getting worse. We don't look like the same team that blew away their OOC opponents.
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2021, 03:56:21 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 24, 2021, 05:44:21 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Can’t wait to spend a Tuesday afternoon in SMU’s stadium.
Post by: Spracne on October 24, 2021, 06:01:50 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Can’t wait to spend a Tuesday afternoon in SMU’s stadium.
We could tailgate at my place!!
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2021, 09:12:13 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
I think that's a bit extreme without the hindsight of how everyone finishes the season (unless the loss is ku of course)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
I think that's a bit extreme without the hindsight of how everyone finishes the season (unless the loss is ku of course)
Nah, I've seen TCU and WVU, we are absolutely better than the both of those teams. We're beyond midway through the season.
Both had easy front loaded schedules and neither will make a bowl without two upsets. TCU has a just okay offense and a heels hella bad defense. WVU has an okay defense but the worst offense in the conference. They are bad and if we're even decent those are games we win at home, zero excuses.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 07:55:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 08:14:50 AM
Neil Brown has some kind of Country Roads voodoo on us. We should absolutely win, but for some reason that's one I could see us laying an egg in.Brown just got very lucky in 2019, there wasn't magic. They obviously destroyed us last year.
Still, we're only three point favorites, if they get us it won't be a monumental upset.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 08:51:15 AM
Neil Brown has some kind of Country Roads voodoo on us. We should absolutely win, but for some reason that's one I could see us laying an egg in.Brown just got very lucky in 2019, there wasn't magic. They obviously destroyed us last year.
Still, we're only three point favorites, if they get us it won't be a monumental upset.
I mean, there aren't more than a few games in the B12 (excluding any KU games) that would fall in the "monumental upset" category anyway.
It's a home game against a team we should beat, and I think we will. If we don't, it will be SIX losses in a row to WVU and Kli will be 0-3 v. Brown
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 25, 2021, 08:53:42 AM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2021, 11:45:52 AM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.
Jonathan Adams Jr... we made him look like a 1st round draft pick. Instead, he went in the 4th round to the Jets, and then the Lions, and now has been released.
But, Covid and stuff.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.
I didn't forget, I legitimately think this would be worse given the circumstances of the two games.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 12:22:03 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 12:24:24 PM
Well Kli got Wells fired.
I'm going to give him credit for getting the USC guy fired too
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 25, 2021, 12:29:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 12:35:42 PM
Tech is one win away from bowl eligibility and they fire their coach? They've already won one more game than last year.
Have you seen their schedule? They literally have 1,2,3,4 in the conference left, combined record of 25-4. They have the hardest remaining schedule in all of college football. Unless they upset Baylor on the last day of the season, they aren't making a bowl.
I find it funny that Sonny Cumbie, who has been nothing but a failure the last decade and his offense is what lost them the game on Saturday, will be the interim.
Post by: KITNfury on October 25, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Tech is one win away from bowl eligibility and they fire their coach? They've already won one more game than last year.We fired prince, but let him keep coaching with a chance to get to a bowl.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
Post by: wiley on October 25, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
He was likely to get a roster spot with the lions, but was suspended by the league for the first 6 games.I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.
Jonathan Adams Jr... we made him look like a 1st round draft pick. Instead, he went in the 4th round to the Jets, and then the Lions, and now has been released.
But, Covid and stuff.
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2021, 12:57:01 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 25, 2021, 01:04:34 PM
Word on the street is Wells ass is CANNED! I bet that Sonny guy gets the interimDang...
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1452687056178647055
Post by: Spracne on October 25, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 25, 2021, 01:08:08 PM
KSU taking a trick out of the KU playbook. Must not feel too great.Feels like a slap in the face, tbh.
3rd and 34 must have been the final straw.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 01:09:46 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 25, 2021, 01:16:10 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.
i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.
but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 01:31:36 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.
i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.
but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.
I suppose that's true but I'm really annoyed by a random game or two making or breaking a hiring/firing decision. Maybe it makes it easier to deal with the fans? but if you have a guy that's better, go ahead and fire the guy you have now.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 25, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2021, 01:40:20 PM
Goodness.
That was a shitty loss, I mean, they were more shitty than K-State was and so that made for some simply awful football outside of a couple of plays, but wow.
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2021, 01:41:54 PM
Post by: sys on October 25, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.
i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.
but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.
Who is their next guy?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:05:14 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 25, 2021, 02:07:02 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:07:32 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 25, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:13:12 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 02:16:35 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.
i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.
but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.
Who is their next guy?
Briles
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 02:16:50 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 02:24:14 PM
SP+ says Tech has (had?) 81% chance of winning at least 1 more game
You mean FPI? It's down to 69%. You've presumably seen tech and the four teams they're playing. Would you bet your own money that they even have a 69% chance of even covering against any of the teams they have left?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 02:31:29 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 02:31:56 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 25, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:52:16 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2021, 03:00:09 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles
Won't happen, but would be hilarious to watch the Baylor heads explode if it did.
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?
Fh?
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?
Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 25, 2021, 03:55:37 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?
If this is about CK (I have no idea), I do think we should tack on another couple years and 10-15M more to the buyout. TT could make a call and if they did make a call....... :zzz:
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 04:13:16 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?
Fh?
Fuckhead... it's what basically everyone in MHK refers to Klieman as
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2021, 04:20:16 PM
eff head
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 04:20:31 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?
Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell
Yep. He already will need a job at year's end.
Post by: Winters on October 25, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
Would love for them to hire GH. I really think they DGAF anymore and will hire Briles tho.What if it's Seth LittreLL?
Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell
Yep. He already will need a job at year's end.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
Would love for them to hire GH. I really think they DGAF anymore and will hire Briles tho.What if it's Seth LittreLL?
Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell
Yep. He already will need a job at year's end.
I don't buy it. Hell, he couldn't keep Mount Vernon High School clean for the two years he was there, and Tech doesn't seem like the place that would look kindly on the type of culture that Briles would bring in.
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2021, 05:32:53 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 05:35:09 PM
You cappinI really don't understand mid-season firings.
i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.
but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.
Who is their next guy?
Briles
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 05:41:13 PM
Could Wells be a good addition to the Catstaff?? Could we pay him market value?
As like an offensive analyst nick saban style?
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 05:56:06 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles
Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available. :facepalm:
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles
Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available. :facepalm:
Maybe he meant Kendall, I’m really not sure.
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?
Fh?
Fuckhead
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles
Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available. :facepalm:
Maybe he meant Kendall, I’m really not sure.
He seems to be alright.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 06:15:11 PM
Could Wells be a good addition to the Catstaff?? Could we pay him market value?
What has Saban paid all these retread HC's to be Analysts?
We're pretty much the same as Alabama w/ Ben Newman.
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 06:40:49 PM
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2021, 08:39:38 PM
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2021, 12:59:00 AM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 26, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles
Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available. :facepalm:
Maybe he meant Kendall, I’m really not sure.
Kendall might be more realistic, but he shouldn't be. If you actually care about the rapes being covered up at Baylor, the entire staff should be just as toxic as Art. And if you don't care about that, then you should hire Art, since he's the proven winner.
Post by: PurpleOil on October 26, 2021, 10:15:02 AM
Bring him home, Chris.
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I had to look up where he is now. Old Dominion DC... would he want to come back and coach for us again? Would Kleiman want a Snyder coach on his staff?
Post by: 'taterblast on October 26, 2021, 10:16:44 AM
i'm not sure Seiler would take it - there's some loyalty to Rahne there and Klieman didn't give him the DC job initially so might hold that against him
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
Riley Garrett, Lincoln's younger bro, is the OC
Post by: PurpleOil on October 26, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
if klieman told Seiler that he had a beautiful body, would seiler hold it against him?
I know I would.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 26, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
Please no Seiler
is this in regards to having him on the coaching staff or are you being demure?
Post by: meow meow on October 26, 2021, 12:11:04 PM
Post by: MadCat on October 26, 2021, 12:44:18 PM
Please no SeilerThat's what he said :fatty:
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
how many coaches is tech gonna let kirby hocutt hire and then fire?
Makes you wonder if he is about to get the axe himself
Post by: PurpleOil on October 26, 2021, 03:14:04 PM
how many coaches is tech gonna let kirby hocutt hire and then fire?
Makes you wonder if he is about to get the axe himself
There is talk of this on the Tech boards.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 27, 2021, 05:07:15 PM
https://twitter.com/bryce_k3
Post by: Winters on October 27, 2021, 05:12:21 PM
What do you think Collin Klein is?Bring him home, Chris.
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I had to look up where he is now. Old Dominion DC... would he want to come back and coach for us again? Would Kleiman want a Snyder coach on his staff?
Post by: ELL3 on October 27, 2021, 11:04:15 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 06:03:23 AM
My observation, Kleiman would rather have shitty coaches with NDSU ties than superior coaches with Snyder ties. Coleman and Smith would be far better than Messingham and Ray as well.
Coleman an OC somewhere now? Not sure who Smith is here…
Post by: SHTexas on October 28, 2021, 06:06:56 AM
My observation, Kleiman would rather have shitty coaches with NDSU ties than superior coaches with Snyder ties. Coleman and Smith would be far better than Messingham and Ray as well.
Coleman an OC somewhere now? Not sure who Smith is here…
Coleman is actually recruiting ballers to Texas. Wideouts that are actually good. Unlike Measingham and Kliebooger.
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 06:27:13 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 06:31:08 AM
https://usajaguars.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/michael-smith/1843
Post by: SHTexas on October 28, 2021, 06:59:07 AM
Wish Coleman would have recruited receivers who were actually good to Kansas State after Tyler Lockett
Kliebooger and Measingham been here three years. Haven’t recruited a good receiver yet. Best receiver on roster is Knowles who Coleman recruited. Wonder what they are waiting on? Oh, I know. Nobody wants to come to a place where they don’t throw the ball consistently.
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 07:07:41 AM
Michael Smith got canned at Kentucky and is now WR coach at Southern Alabama
https://usajaguars.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/michael-smith/1843
That makes more sense, I was looking at the staff Klieman inherited and thinking who tf is Smith. Apparently ELL3 wanted Klieman to hire former Snyder doods away from other schools.
Post by: KITNfury on October 28, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
wutWish Coleman would have recruited receivers who were actually good to Kansas State after Tyler Lockett
Kliebooger and Measingham been here three years. Haven’t recruited a good receiver yet. Best receiver on roster is Knowles who Coleman recruited. Wonder what they are waiting on? Oh, I know. Nobody wants to come to a place where they don’t throw the ball consistently.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 07:16:34 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.I'm sure your twitter account will be full of massive whining, comparos to Prince, and the cats walking away with a 13 point victory. Can't wait.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2021, 10:22:58 AM
This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.I'm sure your twitter account will be full of massive whining, comparos to Prince, and the cats walking away with a 13 point victory. Can't wait.
It's better than crying and whining about people getting vaccinated so I am going to roll with it
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2021, 10:36:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
lol. Link to that happening?This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.I'm sure your twitter account will be full of massive whining, comparos to Prince, and the cats walking away with a 13 point victory. Can't wait.
It's better than crying and whining about people getting vaccinated so I am going to roll with it
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 28, 2021, 11:04:33 AM
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Post by: Spracne on October 28, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
but yes, I will 1000% melt down if we lose at home to sweaty gary
You and me both, homie.
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2021, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2021, 11:09:13 AM
I predict the cats will ... take a step back ... this weekend.hur hur hur
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
I predict the cats will ... take a step back ... this weekend.
I enjoyed that thank you
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 12:04:08 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 12:15:17 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 28, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.
I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.
I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed
Think it’s too early to get Sark shitcanned?
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2021, 01:17:46 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.
I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed
It really would be something.
As for this Saturday, I'm lock-step w/ Dax. We should absolutely crap-can TCU at home. I'd be fine with any win, but it will take a truly dominating victory to be fully satisfied.
Post by: jc_jax on October 28, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 28, 2021, 01:24:35 PM
Post by: Fedor on October 28, 2021, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 01:56:04 PM
I don't see a blowout in the cards and those that are expecting one or setting the bar there are kidding themselves. TCU's record is not terrible and their offense seems to be somewhat potent. They also played UT much closer than we likely will. If we win it will be a close game.Depends on the definition of "blowout" but we also haven't won a conference game by more than 20 since 2016. Kinda strange to expect it to be happy but whatever
(Except for Kansas)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 28, 2021, 01:56:46 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 28, 2021, 02:02:14 PM
They might win this one by 100.
Go Cats. Blow the sweat away.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 02:11:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
Hey @Fedor, Your Testosterone called, it said it's never coming back.What are you doing dude
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 02:20:49 PM
It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.Ok
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 28, 2021, 03:47:02 PM
It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.Ok
lol
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 05:32:23 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.
I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed
Think it’s too early to get Sark shitcanned?
or lepold? Why not run that train through Baylor and Sark too on out. If you lose to us, must fire your coach, seems reasonable
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 05:32:49 PM
I just want us to start without having to say "worst possible start to the game" again for the third game in a row.
If we avoid that, we will blow those dorks out
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2021, 06:19:46 PM
Post by: Winters on October 28, 2021, 06:36:47 PM
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2021, 10:05:05 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Heartland College Sports podcaster Pete Mundo says Cats … BIG over the Horned Frogs! And if Pete “voice of the Big 12” Munda said it, you know it’s bound to be true.
I rely on him for a lot and I will rely on him here
Post by: Fedor on October 29, 2021, 08:12:39 AM
Just dudes being dudes.It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.Ok
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 29, 2021, 08:51:16 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2021, 06:01:37 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Rumblings
Post by: CHONGS on October 30, 2021, 06:04:32 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 30, 2021, 06:04:59 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Rumblings
:pray:
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2021, 06:09:21 PM
That home loss to Iowa State is still killing me.
Broke my spirit tbh. They looked 3-4 scores better than us that day.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2021, 10:11:11 PM
That home loss to Iowa State is still killing me.
Looking worse and worse. I'd say winning 3 of the next 4 would redeem that shitty loss.
Post by: sys on October 31, 2021, 12:14:55 AM
Post by: nicname on October 31, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
I ask, because imo it seems our defensive struggles have stemmed primarily from these guys going down. Without our top guys we simply cannot create the outside pressure or set the edge like we need to. It made our linebackers and DBs look really bad, but all LBs and DBs look bad when the front isn’t able to do these things.
Anyway, seems like a positive in that it’s a talent/depth issue and not a scheme issue.
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Rumblings
:pray:
https://twitter.com/newyscruggs/status/1454950666376470536?s=21
Post by: wiley on October 31, 2021, 06:30:50 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2021, 06:31:09 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 31, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 31, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2021, 06:36:33 PM
You sonuvabitches, you did it again!
Rumblings Lance has been quietly preparing his home to be sold
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2021, 06:37:30 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 31, 2021, 06:39:12 PM
You sonuvabitches, you did it again!
Rumblings Lance has been quietly preparing his home to be sold
Au contraire, the #FireKlansman crowd should be rooting for the hawks this brisk Saturday. We don't can coach ass in Year 1 of the greatest turnaround in the history of modern football.
Post by: pissclams on October 31, 2021, 06:43:40 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 31, 2021, 06:54:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.It'll be good to take a step back
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 31, 2021, 09:18:49 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 31, 2021, 09:25:02 PM
What if it's Patterson?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 31, 2021, 09:47:07 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 31, 2021, 09:47:45 PM
The TCU job is Kill's if he can finish the season strong, imo. He just has to seize the opportunity.:nono:
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 31, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
The TCU job is Kill's if he can finish the season strong, imo. He just has to seize the opportunity.
That was a lobe low, ratm
Post by: KST8FAN on October 31, 2021, 10:22:59 PM
Tom
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Post by: cfbandyman on October 31, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.
TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Could we get two pelts in two weeks :surprised:
Rumblings
:pray:
https://twitter.com/newyscruggs/status/1454950666376470536?s=21
Hooooollllllyyy shhhiiiiiiiit
Guys, the streak is on. Lepold better watch his ass.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 31, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2021, 03:29:55 AM
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Article/Jeff-Traylor-Forces-Texas-Tech-to-Conduct-an-Actual-Search-Jeff-Traylor-Kirby-Hocutt-Sonny-Dykes-Kalen-Deboer-Jamey-Chadwell-Tony-Gibson-Mike-Leach-Bob-Knight-Matt-Wells-174304074/
Tom
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The starting premise of this article is wrong. Traylor's new contract doesn't preclude him from taking a new job. His new salary at UTSA is still a million dollars less a year than what Wells made at tech. Also that $7 million buyout, can easily be managed, if it even takes effect right away, which without seeing the actual contract language, I'd doubt.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 05, 2021, 01:38:29 PM
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1456639943976099844?s=20
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 02:35:50 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.
I'll do anything to have Gary Patterson at the helm over the guy we have now.
Post by: michigancat on November 05, 2021, 03:38:06 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.
I'll do anything to have Gary Patterson at the helm over the guy we have now.
Whoa take a step back my friend
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 03:54:36 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.
I'll do anything to have Gary Patterson at the helm over the guy we have now.
Whoa take a step back my friend
Never
Post by: Spracne on November 05, 2021, 04:12:27 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 05, 2021, 04:16:37 PM
It smells like a clam in here.
Prolly
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 04:21:02 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 05, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 04:49:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 05, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
It smells like a clam in here.
TBT
Post by: Spracne on November 05, 2021, 06:13:14 PM
I don't even think a clam bot would visit the pit. :dunno:
Exactly. That's what makes it the perfect caper.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 05, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 08:03:48 PM
I'd begrudgingly take Patterson over Kliegoober.Of course you would! Looks like the new troll is stealing your thunder.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 05, 2021, 08:16:55 PM
I'd begrudgingly take Patterson over Kliegoober.Of course you would! Looks like the new troll is stealing your thunder.
No need for these personal attacks. We're all on the same team here.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 08:23:20 PM
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
Post by: HerrSonntag on November 05, 2021, 09:14:28 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 05, 2021, 09:37:42 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
Post by: Winters on November 05, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
Post by: Trim on November 05, 2021, 09:51:51 PM
@Trim , what have you heard about Dabo? (!)
It’s time for him to come home to KSU.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 05, 2021, 11:36:38 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
Post by: HerrSonntag on November 06, 2021, 12:38:10 AM
So, this is a thingPatterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
https://twitter.com/coachpants/ (https://twitter.com/coachpants/)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 06, 2021, 08:53:41 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
Happened to me once and it really is a shitty feeling.
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 10:22:11 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 06, 2021, 10:56:27 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
So, this is a thingPatterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
https://twitter.com/coachpants/ (https://twitter.com/coachpants/)
Not enough tweets of him hiking up his britches
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:20:24 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 12:23:19 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Definitely a clown
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Definitely a clown
What is this, an echo chamber for Klieman or something?
Post by: CHONGS on November 06, 2021, 12:35:03 PM
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:37:31 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Definitely a clown
What is this, an echo chamber for Klieman or something?
What does Klieman have to do with Gary Patterson?
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:42:12 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Definitely a clown
What is this, an echo chamber for Klieman or something?
What does Klieman have to do with Gary Patterson?
Re: Fire Chris Klieman (thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 06, 2021, 01:33:33 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Definitely a clown
He'd never cut it as a clown. The sweat would run the makeup.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 02:00:52 PM
Post by: nicname on November 06, 2021, 02:06:58 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on November 08, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
https://twitter.com/RobertKSUfan/status/1457715713481793537?s=20
Also may cross post in the Howard thread
Post by: wiley on November 08, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
The importance of a good quarterbackSeems like that stat could be modified to go “Will Howard has as many conference wins as Beaty, Miles, and Leipold combined”
https://twitter.com/RobertKSUfan/status/1457715713481793537?s=20
Also may cross post in the Howard thread
But that assumes the Texas Tech game last year counts towards Will Howards total.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 12, 2021, 09:51:03 AM
https://twitter.com/aspoage/status/1458917575815938083?s=20
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2021, 11:50:49 AM
Lol @ this threadLotta football to be played today wacks
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 13, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 12:33:30 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.TCU just beat Baylor last week, but go off, King!
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 13, 2021, 05:04:27 PM
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2021, 05:12:19 PM
Post by: Pete on November 13, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2021, 07:26:39 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.
and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.
Post by: Pete on November 13, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.
and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.
Hopefully we can get Baylor in a "hangover" week next week.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2021, 09:25:28 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.
and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.
Let's not give Gary credit for the dang day that Kill seized.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 09:39:39 PM
Post by: sys on November 13, 2021, 10:42:59 PM
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2021, 10:46:02 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.
and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.
Let's not give Gary credit for the dang day that Kill seized.
Blood, sweat and teasrs with Gary and Jerry.
Post by: pissclams on November 14, 2021, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2021, 05:29:59 PM
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2021, 05:34:16 PM
I am totally ok with us being a 6 to 9 win team most years! Fun season! :billdance:Yes, definitely
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 20, 2021, 07:55:51 PM
Beat nothing but trash teams this year. Next year will be an absolute crap show given our QB situation.
Mess needs to go. This offense is garbage.
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 07:56:24 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 20, 2021, 07:58:06 PM
Disagree
If we lose to Texas and our bowl opponent, what say you then?
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
Disagree
If we lose to Texas and our bowl opponent, what say you then?
Don't really care much about the bowl game. Without Skylar I don't think we'll be expected to beat Texas. 7-5 isn't fire worthy after three years imo. .
Post by: sys on November 20, 2021, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: OB_Won on November 20, 2021, 08:10:03 PM
Post by: wiley on November 20, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
Hire anybody this guy had on his finalist list. . .https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/mack-rhoades/1 (https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/mack-rhoades/1)He’s probably gonna be having to make another hire when Aranda bolts to LSU (this seems to be the noise coming from Baton Rouge recently).
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 20, 2021, 08:19:53 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on November 20, 2021, 09:27:00 PM
Next year the heat could get turned up real quick if we don't get a good portal qb, kicker, and some bigger linemen.
Post by: tdaver on November 20, 2021, 09:32:17 PM
3W
2L
3W
2L
2W
2L
4W
5L
3W
3L
4W
Post by: ELL3 on November 20, 2021, 09:42:57 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 09:55:57 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 20, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
Without Skylar I can't see us winning a game on the road.
Pretty bold comment after what Jaren Lewis did today.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2021, 10:11:48 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 10:18:59 PM
Without Skylar I can't see us winning a game on the road.
Pretty bold comment after what Jaren Lewis did today.
I was thinking about starting a podcast featuring my blistering hot takes. But I don't know if the sports world is ready yet for paradigm shattering insights.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2021, 12:12:28 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.
You think the offensive line played poorly today?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 21, 2021, 07:00:59 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.
You think the offensive line played poorly today?
I think you'd struggle to make a case that they played great.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2021, 09:41:46 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.You’re such a dipshit
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2021, 11:43:33 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.
You think the offensive line played poorly today?
I think you'd struggle to make a case that they played great.
There's quite a gulf between poor and great.
Post by: tdaver on November 26, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
Kleiman’s tenure before today. Never a single W or L. Be prepared for an L in Austin.
3W
2L
3W
2L
2W
2L
4W
5L
3W
3L
4W
Welp… I guess we have shot to win a meaningless bowl game now.
Post by: chum1 on November 26, 2021, 02:05:36 PM
4-5
4-5
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 02:06:53 PM
Post by: stunted on November 26, 2021, 02:07:38 PM
Can Klein and mess
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Hard to fire your best buds and great former players
Post by: sys on November 26, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
Can Klein and mess
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Hard to fire your best buds and great former players
Don't blame Klein for that crap show
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 26, 2021, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 02:24:11 PM
Post by: Tobias on November 26, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 26, 2021, 02:25:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
I don't expect him to be a lot worse next year. Or a lot better. He's been consistent!Yeah to chings later points if he gets OL and DL depth and a QB I think he can have much better seasons than we had this year. Thompson is a below average Big 12 quarterback. Next year night be a little worse but not much
Post by: PurpleOil on November 26, 2021, 02:40:59 PM
Holy crap Klieman just roasted Courtney on his interview with Wyatt and Stan
For those of us who couldn't listen, what was said?
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 02:41:28 PM
Holy crap Klieman just roasted Courtney on his interview with Wyatt and Stan
:emawkid:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 02:47:20 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 26, 2021, 03:18:34 PM
'I think we should have won the game'
'I need to do a better job to make sure we have a plan to execute'
'with our offensive players we should be able to get a yard or half yard and didn't'
'i'm frustrated we should be at 8 or 9 wins'
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 03:31:05 PM
Unprompted his first sentence was "I guess I gotta get involved in the game plan, I don't know what that was." Then he talked about not playing to Will's strengths. Then he talked about how deflating the first drive of the second half was then mentioned the game plan again.He gone
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Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 03:34:38 PM
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 03:39:49 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game. I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.I know little about Wells’ offensive prowess. Tell me something good, pls.
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Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game. I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.I know little about Wells’ offensive prowess. Tell me something good, pls.
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He recruited and developed Jordan Love (1st round draft pick for packers at QB) at Utah State. His Utah State offense had the third best PPP in FBS in his final year in 2018 at .622 only behind Bama and OU.
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
I like what I’m hearing.Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game. I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.I know little about Wells’ offensive prowess. Tell me something good, pls.
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He recruited and developed Jordan Love (1st round draft pick for packers at QB) at Utah State. His Utah State offense had the third best PPP in FBS in his final year in 2018 at .622 only behind Bama and OU.
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Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
I hate to see us lose, but I’d agree with that statement.
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Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2021, 04:04:43 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:08:40 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game. I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.
:surprised: Klieman talked EXTENSIVELY about his friend Matt Wells during the post game press conference
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 04:11:10 PM
The game was pretty meaningless either way tbhAside from it taking a glaringly poor performance from the OC to lose it, I agree.
It’s exactly the type of performance that gets a coach canned/retired.
If I’m Klieman, I can my good buddy Mess and bring in my younger good buddy Wells and let him hire whatever offensive staff he chooses.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
The game was pretty meaningless either way tbhAside from it taking a glaringly poor performance from the OC to lose it, I agree.
It’s exactly the type of performance that gets a coach canned/retired.
If I’m Klieman, I can my good buddy Mess and bring in my younger good buddy Wells and let him hire whatever offensive staff he chooses.
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And Tyler Shough as a super senior transfer
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 05:04:41 PM
@wetwillie has got me all horned up for Wells and I'm going to call you all kinds of [redacted] when it doesn't happen
It's the one thing keeping me going after watching that disaster today. We deserve to have some nice things and Matt Wells would be a very nice thing imo.
Post by: BostonPancake on November 26, 2021, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 09:45:47 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 26, 2021, 09:58:39 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting. Now I'm hoping this happens immediately. If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win. :love:
While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:
2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 10:00:40 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting. Now I'm hoping this happens immediately. If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win. :love:
While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:
2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense
I wonder who his OC was in '18.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 26, 2021, 10:03:57 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting. Now I'm hoping this happens immediately. If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win. :love:
While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:
2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense
I wonder who his OC was in '18.
David Yost - formerly of Mizzou (and a bunch of other schools).
Post by: muqluk on November 26, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
I care about record as the OC
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 10:43:16 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting. Now I'm hoping this happens immediately. If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win. :love:
While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:
2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense
I wonder who his OC was in '18.
David Yost - formerly of Mizzou (and a bunch of other schools).
Yost was the OC at Mizzou under Pinkel their last few years in the Big 12, including the I left my kitchen on fire game. Wells also fired him at tech last year
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 11:35:57 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting. Now I'm hoping this happens immediately. If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win. :love:
While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:
2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense
I wonder who his OC was in '18.
David Yost - formerly of Mizzou (and a bunch of other schools).
Yost was the OC at Mizzou under Pinkel their last few years in the Big 12, including the I left my kitchen on fire game. Wells also fired him at tech last year
Not a fan of this Yost guy it's just amazing he ended up with a number 3 offense in '18 and then layed one turd after another. Hope Wells doesn't turn out to be a bust. At least Kleiman and Wells should get along and he has a history of OC and HC experience.
Post by: pissclams on November 27, 2021, 12:59:08 PM
Unprompted his first sentence was "I guess I gotta get involved in the game plan, I don't know what that was." Then he talked about not playing to Will's strengths. Then he talked about how deflating the first drive of the second half was then mentioned the game plan again.
i wonder what ham and potatoes face does all week if he’s not involved with the game planning. probably just sits around counting all of his money
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2021, 01:56:07 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 27, 2021, 04:08:49 PM
Be real, how much work did all of you get done this week? Kind of hard to get mad at the coaches for slacking off like the rest of the American population :th_twocents:
Oh so you make millions and get to dick around until late December, so why is the eff would you care about working.
M I Right?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 03, 2021, 08:05:03 PM
Here's to hoping he convinces small times Taylor to pony up some extra cash to go get us a legit OC.
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2021, 08:06:40 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 03, 2021, 08:13:02 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.
If I'm him, I'm going after an A+ recruiter who has minimal to no experience as an OC. I assume we will keep CK. He can fill in the gaps. We aren't going to get some stuff recruiter who is also a great coordinator. Let's roll the dice for once.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2021, 08:23:38 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.
I think he's seen how difficult it is recruiting to an average fbs program as opposed to recruiting to the best fcs program. Maybe he'll use that as a focus for the WR/TE coach instead.
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.
don't listen to those KSO sad sacks
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2021, 08:36:02 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.
don't listen to those KSO sad sacks
Supposedly two other contenders, so there is some hope.
Post by: catastrophe on December 03, 2021, 08:36:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.
don't listen to those KSO sad sacks
Supposedly two other contenders, so there is some hope.
exactly two? :dubious:
Post by: wiley on December 03, 2021, 08:43:28 PM
Post by: Winters on December 03, 2021, 08:43:47 PM
I’m somewhat surprised no FCS coordinators have been mentioned.:excited:
Post by: Cire on December 03, 2021, 08:44:15 PM
Tech guy
Klein
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Post by: nicname on December 03, 2021, 08:51:38 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
As I recall, when he was on staff at Iowa their offense wasn't that great either, but that's always been a knock against KF.
Maybe he's a great recruiter.
Post by: wiley on December 03, 2021, 10:08:57 PM
Polasek's offense at WYO was total woof this past year, outside of the run game. Nearly last in D1 in passing.The Iowa olines were really good (at least talent wise). I read some NDSU forums back when we hired Messingham. A lot of comments praising the new scheme (Mess) over what Polasek was running.
As I recall, when he was on staff at Iowa their offense wasn't that great either, but that's always been a knock against KF.
Maybe he's a great recruiter.
(I do think Wyoming had some pretty significant qb issues). But 3 pts against New Mexico is pretty cringe worthy.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 17, 2022, 05:24:18 PM
We are in a very scary situation with AM, Rubes, and Howard. This season has the potential to go south in a hurry. The talent outside of AM should assure us 7 wins, but if the D loses motivation knowing our offense is completely one dimensional, we are done.
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Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 05:36:38 PM
if it was just that we sucked, maybe we could give him more time. but now with ku passing us by as well, i don't see how clineman survives.Seat just got hotter for our guy Tang too.
Post by: CHONGS on September 17, 2022, 05:36:44 PM
But the returns are not particularly positive. He's had bad losing streaks and glaring bad loses. There's always the chance the season will get saved and we'll be competitive in the Big 12, and I'd give him full credit for it if we are. If the bottom falls out, however, then I think we really need to think hard about pulling the plug on this particular experiment.
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Ron lost 3 in a row to KUWhich SHOULD ALWAYS be grounds for termination. 3 in a row and you are out.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 18, 2022, 11:49:54 AM
The AD and football coach are inseparable.
1000%. If you are a Kleiman lover, this loss is a huge plus for you as absolutely no other school will pursue him now. Not with any kind of buyout. He is ours for as long as we will have him, which is as long as Gene is our AD.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 01:04:47 PM
Post by: KITNfury on September 18, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFUI'm assuming any "fire Klieman" talk is just goemawing. I hope so anyway or we really have some dumbasses here. I'm also still assuming at least a bowl season this year.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
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Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 02:36:54 PM
Which 4 wins are you counting on as being in the bag?I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFUI'm assuming any "fire Klieman" talk is just goemawing. I hope so anyway or we really have some dumbasses here. I'm also still assuming at least a bowl season this year.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 02:55:27 PM
Even Scott frost was able to squeeze out at least 3 wins from Adrian
Yeah but he had this guy
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Post by: KITNfury on September 18, 2022, 02:57:32 PM
I'm not counting any specific 4 teams as auto wins, but 4 teams are around our level and there's always a chance of an upset or 2 against the better teams. We still have a good defense that will keep us in many games. Offense has to improve though.Which 4 wins are you counting on as being in the bag?I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFUI'm assuming any "fire Klieman" talk is just goemawing. I hope so anyway or we really have some dumbasses here. I'm also still assuming at least a bowl season this year.
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2022, 04:07:53 PM
We're heading for a 7-8 win season, get used to it. CK will be coaching as long as the Mustang is around.
That seems incredibly optimistic given what we have seen so far.
Post by: stunted on September 18, 2022, 04:19:21 PM
We're heading for a 7-8 win season, get used to it. CK will be coaching as long as the Mustang is around.
Yea lol that is very wishful. Lol football, what a dumb rough ridin' sport.
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 10:04:41 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 19, 2022, 08:42:17 AM
Whether gE'ing or not, Avery won't be swayed by people chirping about Klieman. I'm just all in on CKx2 until Avery gets to the draft combine in March of 2026. At that point, I'll stop caring about Klieman and his maga OCThis is where I’m at unless of course we continue to land similar level studs.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2022, 11:31:15 PM
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Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:33:40 PM
he's the oscar weber of football
Lol, ok
Post by: pissclams on September 24, 2022, 11:34:56 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 24, 2022, 11:35:37 PM
he's the oscar weber of football
:ROFL:
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2022, 11:36:03 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:37:03 PM
As many wins against top 10 teams in 3 and a quarter seasons than Snyder in 27 seasons.
Now, I get the whole, we were beyond shitty needing to build into something, but goddamn that is something
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:37:29 PM
klieman's not really a likable guy
Lol ok
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2022, 11:42:08 PM
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Post by: ELL3 on September 24, 2022, 11:53:18 PM
he's the oscar weber of football
Truth, players love him just like Oscar and he's .500 in conference play. Not quite the roller coaster of the Oscar experience, at least yet. If we ever win 11 games (doubtful) in a season will he follow it up with a 2 and 10 record? Not as bad a comparison as one would think.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:56:12 PM
he's the oscar weber of football
Truth, players love him just like Oscar and he's .500 in conference play. Not quite the roller coaster of the Oscar experience, at least yet. If we ever win 11 games (doubtful) in a season will he follow it up with a 2 and 10 record? Not as bad a comparison as one would think.
Lol it's trash, this program is never winning just 2 games a season.
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 12:17:20 AM
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2022, 12:19:10 AM
he's the oscar weber of football
Truth, players love him . . .
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1573892164081389569
Post by: bunter on September 25, 2022, 12:26:30 AM
Post by: Duncan on September 25, 2022, 12:31:01 AM
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 12:33:30 AM
Post by: bunter on September 25, 2022, 12:41:15 AM
bunter and duncan, who tf are these guys lmaoFans of ksu
Post by: HugeCat on September 25, 2022, 12:43:02 AM
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.Sup, Cruiser
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2022, 12:48:34 AM
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.
Hell yeah brother
Post by: DQ12 on September 25, 2022, 02:51:28 AM
***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think
Post by: Spracne on September 25, 2022, 03:12:02 AM
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.
Hell yeah brother
:lynchmob:
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2022, 08:48:22 AM
he's the oscar weber of football
Truth, players love him . . .
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1573892164081389569
Ok while I don’t think CK and oscar are the same, I have to say the way he was jumping with both arms up like that reminded me of that photo of oscar with his arms up after a win and it looked like his suit jacket was like he was borrowing his dads bc it was picture day
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 08:50:16 AM
You want highs and lows? We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field. That’s highs and lows baby.
***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think
you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2022, 09:48:22 AM
oscar would still be here if he was the basketball equivalent of a 7-8 win coachYou want highs and lows? We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field. That’s highs and lows baby.
***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think
you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2022, 10:01:12 AM
oscar would still be here if he was the basketball equivalent of a 7-8 win coachYou want highs and lows? We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field. That’s highs and lows baby.
***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think
you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
Which I don't understand Stuntz hilariously bad take. oscar had 2 Big 12 champs and an Elite 8, which are some pretty damn good highs, and then 3 straight seasons of not even winning more than 6 big 12 games.
If he admits that oscar was an awkward AF coach and that's all he's trying to go for and that if he really wants to try and go for big and sexy then I got a Nebraska football program in shambles to sell him
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 10:43:50 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2022, 10:52:07 AM
oscar would still be here if he was the basketball equivalent of a 7-8 win coachYou want highs and lows? We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field. That’s highs and lows baby.
***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think
you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
Which I don't understand Stuntz hilariously bad take. oscar had 2 Big 12 champs and an Elite 8, which are some pretty damn good highs, and then 3 straight seasons of not even winning more than 6 big 12 games.
If he admits that oscar was an awkward AF coach and that's all he's trying to go for and that if he really wants to try and go for big and sexy then I got a Nebraska football program in shambles to sell him
:Take the Bait:
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on September 27, 2022, 10:48:18 AM
Post by: Pete on September 27, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
Post by: stunted on September 27, 2022, 03:12:11 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2022, 06:07:24 PM
crap, does this mean he’s back on Nebraska’s list?
He may use that as cover to get a raise out of us but he would never go there.
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2022, 07:11:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
If he wins the Dr. Pepper, you can bet he'll get a renegotiated contract.
Don’t even think he needs to get to the pepper. If he wins 9 games and finishes 3rd he will get a new contract.
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2022, 07:36:50 PM
If he wins the Dr. Pepper, you can bet he'll get a renegotiated contract.
Don’t even think he needs to get to the pepper. If he wins 9 games and finishes 3rd he will get a new contract.
I won't argue with that prediction. :thumbs:
Post by: Skipper44 on September 27, 2022, 07:38:42 PM
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2022, 09:19:16 PM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA
He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 27, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2022, 10:30:15 PM
No way he goes to Nubb. He doesn't seem to have that kind of ego.
He doesn’t even do the appearances and crap that come with the job at KSU. He isn’t going to go to mini UT and deal with that dog and pony show.
Post by: stunted on September 28, 2022, 12:14:23 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 28, 2022, 08:11:45 AM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA
He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.
lol, BFF Gene is countering the offer
Post by: Katpappy on September 28, 2022, 09:11:10 AM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA
He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.
lol, BFF Gene is countering the offer
NU has an unreal amount to throw at a coach, but I think their target is MC/ISU or LL/KU. They have a major dislike for KSU.
Post by: wiley on September 28, 2022, 12:47:27 PM
I think they throw all the money they have at Bill O’Brien.Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA
He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.
lol, BFF Gene is countering the offer
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 29, 2022, 10:53:06 AM
mediocrity sells more tickets than inconsistency
"Preach"
Iowa State
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2022, 10:37:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2022, 10:40:31 PM
On brand.
ironic
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 04:21:50 PM
Post by: sys on October 29, 2022, 05:49:59 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2022, 10:05:55 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 10:24:21 PM
If he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.I was told nobody wanted him tho
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2022, 10:41:49 PM
If he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.I was told nobody wanted him tho
Are you talking about those that occupy bench seats during the game when they go and somehow they are team experts? Also, the same ones who didn't want to give a true freshman QB credit for being only one of four FBS freshmen to play during a covid year and being the highest-rated QB for TDs of the four.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 11:27:53 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 11:49:15 PM
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 11:53:58 PM
MIR, you literally talked crap on Howard two weeks ago because you didn’t want him ahead of Avery. Take the L
:beersmiley:
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 11:54:23 PM
I’ve turned. I’m excited. Big balls by GT if true and a huge gamble. I also like big boy football and that’s what we’d play if we hire Klieman.
:cool:
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 11:57:36 PM
This never happenedIf he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.I was told nobody wanted him tho
Are you talking about those that occupy bench seats during the game when they go and somehow they are team experts? Also, the same ones who didn't want to give a true freshman QB credit for being only one of four FBS freshmen to play during a covid year and being the highest-rated QB for TDs of the four.
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2022, 09:45:22 AM
I think I was the one damn person on the board who wanted him before he was hired and I don't think there will be lots of schools after him. He's a 55 year old program builder who has spent his entire football life in Iowa, Kansas, and North Dakota. He is not the guy to instantly breathe life into a program, he's old as far as coaches go, and his drinking buddy is his boss.I was on board! Ian Boyd put forward a pretty good argument and I was convinced.
Post by: catastrophe on October 30, 2022, 10:17:16 AM
Post by: sys on September 16, 2023, 02:30:42 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 16, 2023, 02:32:16 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 16, 2023, 02:34:04 PM
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 16, 2023, 03:44:58 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
this is a pretty silly take
Post by: cfbandyman on September 16, 2023, 04:05:25 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2023, 04:11:16 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2023, 04:38:49 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 16, 2023, 04:40:56 PM
Even so, I feel down about our chances...I'll feel better if we win next week.
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2023, 05:46:53 PM
https://twitter.com/sportsndstuff69/status/1703134159017783543?s=20
Post by: IPA4Me on September 16, 2023, 05:49:16 PM
Be careful what you wish for. Per noted journalist sportsndstuff69:Shut up.
https://twitter.com/sportsndstuff69/status/1703134159017783543?s=20
https://twitter.com/sportsndstuff69/status/1703178570783416792?t=RCwBoA8i9Eqdeoi2FB_QQQ&s=19
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2023, 06:15:02 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
:lol: you are funny as hell after losses.
If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
Post by: Cire on September 17, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
OMG!Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
:lol: you are funny as hell after losses.
If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.
Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin' egregious decision as well
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Post by: pissclams on September 17, 2023, 09:29:52 AM
some say he would have made it from 70!OMG!Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
:lol: you are funny as hell after losses.
If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.
Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin' egregious decision as well
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sometimes you just gotta realize it’s over, we lost.
i want you to go into the upstairs bathroom and look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself- did these guys play well enough to win the ballgame yesterday?
Post by: wetwillie on September 17, 2023, 09:46:07 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 17, 2023, 10:05:40 AM
We weren't going to win in OT anyway.Squawk outted
Post by: wetwillie on September 17, 2023, 10:15:11 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2023, 12:37:27 AM
OMG!Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
:lol: you are funny as hell after losses.
If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.
Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin' egregious decision as well
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What the hell do you mean, pressuring the kick? Do you think the 10 guys on the line weren't trying to block the kick? How many blocked field goals have you ever seen? You wanna guess how many field goals Harrison Meavis has had blocked in his career?
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2023, 12:38:27 PM
OMG!Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
:lol: you are funny as hell after losses.
If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.
Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin' egregious decision as well
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What the hell do you mean, pressuring the kick? Do you think the 10 guys on the line weren't trying to block the kick? How many blocked field goals have you ever seen? You wanna guess how many field goals Harrison Meavis has had blocked in his career?
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We absolutely did not pressure that kick up the middle at all.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 18, 2023, 12:54:39 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 18, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
They did not pressure the kicker at all, and I understand why you wouldn’t on a 61 yard attempt. You don’t want to chance an offsides or roughing penalty on such a low percentage kick.Or a fake.
Post by: 'taterblast on September 18, 2023, 01:07:40 PM
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2023, 01:10:09 PM
There was a side view of the kick that made it look like if a hand was in the right place itd had a chance to be blocked. Travis Britz had a knack for it.
I'm fine not coming off the edge but we should have stacked up that right side of the kicking formation to try and get a push there.
We chose to play the return and it would have allowed mizzou to rekick after a 5 yard penalty because we didn't get brooks/lee the velcro/zipper jersey on.
Post by: _33 on September 18, 2023, 01:15:55 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on September 18, 2023, 02:18:08 PM
If he missed it (especially a couple yards short), then we got the duplicate number 5 yard penalty to bail out Drinkwitz, and he made it on the second one from 56, it would suck way worse on a nut punch level.
Losing on the longest field goal in the history of the SEC is more of a wow, wtf just happened moment.
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2023, 02:48:40 PM
Huge loser take, but I'm kind of glad he made it.
If he missed it (especially a couple yards short), then we got the duplicate number 5 yard penalty to bail out Drinkwitz, and he made it on the second one from 56, it would suck way worse on a nut punch level.
Losing on the longest field goal in the history of the SEC is more of a wow, wtf just happened moment.
this is true.
It won't feel as bad getting drilled by UCF at home because we're exposed as frauds now.
Post by: Spracne on September 18, 2023, 03:10:37 PM
Post by: konofo on September 18, 2023, 06:07:28 PM
kono
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2023, 06:44:09 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 18, 2023, 06:57:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2023, 07:51:31 PM
OMG!Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
:lol: you are funny as hell after losses.
If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.
Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin' egregious decision as well
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What the hell do you mean, pressuring the kick? Do you think the 10 guys on the line weren't trying to block the kick? How many blocked field goals have you ever seen? You wanna guess how many field goals Harrison Meavis has had blocked in his career?
We absolutely did not pressure that kick up the middle at all.
So what? You know just bull rushing the middle isn't the only way to block a field goal, right? I'm never going to play the "you think you know better than the coach" card but I think that questioning field goal blocking play calls is a pretty niche thing that I'm guessing it helps, a lot, to have some experience in assessing what you're talking about.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1703594656787833220
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2023, 09:18:54 PM
Every season Fuckhead is going to lose a game he shouldn't, it's just part of the deal, get used to it.
IT never hurt OU. We beat their ass three times and they still went to the CFP. So in concern for our loss, who gives a eff. I have to admit the AP and Coaches Poll were just waiting to knock us out of the top 25. This is their way of keeping us as far away from the CFP as possible.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2023, 09:44:11 PM
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2023, 11:17:32 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 19, 2023, 09:25:14 AM
Years and years, my friend lib-bot seed 7. We are a G5 school trying to play with the BIG BOYS in their eyes. It's the old kick them when they're Down, syndrome.
hey now
Post by: MadCat on September 19, 2023, 09:40:35 AM
Post by: CNS on September 20, 2023, 12:44:19 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 20, 2023, 03:52:24 PM
Spartan Fans is saying our guy is their top candidate
If I was them I'd go after Lightpole.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 20, 2023, 04:00:45 PM
Spartan Fans is saying our guy is their top candidate
If I was them I'd go after Lightpole.
definitely. spartans are morons
Post by: MakeItRain on September 20, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 20, 2023, 10:09:16 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2023, 10:27:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 21, 2023, 10:12:20 AM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.
Tucker came from Colorado! Just a year, but still. They aren't exactly Purdue.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 21, 2023, 11:06:03 AM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.
Tucker came from Colorado! Just a year, but still. They aren't exactly Purdue.
Yeah, Colorado was a G5 program and their athletic department was dead broke. You think Michigan State or any other non West Coast based Big 10 program not named Ohio State or Michigan would even get an interview with Deion today?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 21, 2023, 12:52:34 PM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.
Tucker came from Colorado! Just a year, but still. They aren't exactly Purdue.
Yeah, Colorado was a G5 program and their athletic department was dead broke. You think Michigan State or any other non West Coast based Big 10 program not named Ohio State or Michigan would even get an interview with Deion today?
GBR!
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2023, 08:48:07 PM
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Post by: 96 Cat on October 06, 2023, 10:34:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2023, 10:34:21 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 06, 2023, 10:42:45 PM
I just want to throw this out there. Anyone here get the feeling that Kleinman is throwing games? I have been watching college football since 1984 and I have never seen a coach handicap a team in games like Kleinman has. Mizzu and this game tonight at OSU and previous losses that were done by bonehead coaching. Johnson is clearly better than Howard and Ward is clearly better than Giddens. As bad as the Cats looked they are clearly better than OSU and all they had to do was run the ball. Going for 2 when it was clear they didn't need it at all??? The botching of the Mizzu game? Keeping Howard in when he was clearly hurt??? Is Vegas going to break his kneecaps if he wins???? Something stinks!!!!! Is Kleinman being paid to Kill K-State??? This may just be a game but the corruption of this country is out of control. With money going to players is did Howard take a dive??? Is Vegas fixing everything???I understand your frustration with the coaching decisions and game outcomes, but making accusations of coaches throwing games or suggesting that there's a conspiracy involving Vegas is a serious matter. It's important to remember that sports outcomes can be unpredictable, and coaches make decisions based on their judgment and the information they have at the time.
If you have concerns about the coaching or the integrity of the games, it's best to voice those concerns through appropriate channels, such as discussions with fellow fans, sports analysts, or your school's athletic department. Jumping to conclusions about corruption without evidence can be damaging and unfair to the individuals involved.
Remember that sports can be emotional, and sometimes things don't go as expected, but it's essential to approach such matters with a rational and evidence-based perspective.
Post by: Spracne on October 06, 2023, 10:54:36 PM
I just want to throw this out there. Anyone here get the feeling that Kleinman is throwing games? I have been watching college football since 1984 and I have never seen a coach handicap a team in games like Kleinman has. Mizzu and this game tonight at OSU and previous losses that were done by bonehead coaching. Johnson is clearly better than Howard and Ward is clearly better than Giddens. As bad as the Cats looked they are clearly better than OSU and all they had to do was run the ball. Going for 2 when it was clear they didn't need it at all??? The botching of the Mizzu game? Keeping Howard in when he was clearly hurt??? Is Vegas going to break his kneecaps if he wins???? Something stinks!!!!! Is Kleinman being paid to Kill K-State??? This may just be a game but the corruption of this country is out of control. With money going to players is did Howard take a dive??? Is Vegas fixing everything???I understand your frustration with the coaching decisions and game outcomes, but making accusations of coaches throwing games or suggesting that there's a conspiracy involving Vegas is a serious matter. It's important to remember that sports outcomes can be unpredictable, and coaches make decisions based on their judgment and the information they have at the time.
If you have concerns about the coaching or the integrity of the games, it's best to voice those concerns through appropriate channels, such as discussions with fellow fans, sports analysts, or your school's athletic department. Jumping to conclusions about corruption without evidence can be damaging and unfair to the individuals involved.
Remember that sports can be emotional, and sometimes things don't go as expected, but it's essential to approach such matters with a rational and evidence-based perspective.
This guy's not a bot.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 06, 2023, 11:16:13 PM
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2023, 11:18:41 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
It's a different time, reflect at the end of the season
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 06, 2023, 11:20:32 PM
WHAT IF I WANT TO BE ANGRY RIGHT NOW kRUSTY, HUH!?Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
It's a different time, reflect at the end of the season
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 06, 2023, 11:39:11 PM
WHAT IF I WANT TO BE ANGRY RIGHT NOW kRUSTY, HUH!?Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
It's a different time, reflect at the end of the season
YEAH!
Patience is for puss... I mean, wimps.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2023, 11:51:30 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 07, 2023, 12:08:21 AM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
I think its debatable on both fronts...
That '01 team had a raw Roberson as QB and weak leadership (Lockett, Leber, etc) and the 04 team had Bazooka Joe like issues at QB.
I'm referencing more talent vs. output - Snyder 1.0 mostly outperformed and I'd argue Snyder 2.0 did as well.
Is this Klieman team less talented than any of Synder 2.0 teams (aside from maybe 2011 and 2012)?
I don't think so, but it's a fair question.
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2023, 06:27:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2023, 07:47:57 AM
Chris Kleiman taking a team into Stillwater, OK and that team looking like dog poop is batting 1000
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2023, 08:53:33 AM
The game last night actually reminded me of Baylor in 2012. Playing a conference opponent in a night road game who really shouldn’t have had a shot.Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
The game last night actually reminded me of Baylor in 2012. Playing a conference opponent in a night road game who really shouldn’t have had a shot.Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
Except 2012 Baylor was kind of on the upswing when we played them (I think they won maybe 3 straight at that point) and then they continued that upward trajectory for the next 2 seasons or wherever briles got the shitcanning he so richly deserved. I don’t think this okie lite team is going anywhere
Post by: ELL3 on October 07, 2023, 12:11:10 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.
There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.
Is that better/worse?
Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
2011, 2012, 2014, 2016 are all better than 2023 team
2013, 2017 are the same as this team
Post by: kim carnes on October 07, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2023, 03:26:01 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 07, 2023, 03:37:10 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 07, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
And only 3 more conference losses seems very unlikely.
Post by: CHONGS on October 07, 2023, 03:39:34 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2023, 03:47:26 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2023, 04:16:56 PM
But honestly we all know if KU finishes higher than KSU this year and on a path to pass the program then Klieman will have a warm seat very quickly.
LOL relax
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2023, 04:19:46 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 07, 2023, 04:25:31 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule
Every road game is going to be a battle, especially if Will contiinues to be so generous/inconsistent.
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2023, 04:27:11 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule
Every road game is going to be a battle, especially if Will contiinues to be so generous/inconsistent.
Well yeah but we only have 3 road games left and Tech and KU are still very winnable.
Post by: stunted on October 07, 2023, 04:30:08 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 07, 2023, 04:33:15 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
ku is going to push our crap inthe hawks won’t win another game this year post-ucf
@osu
ou
@isu
tech
@ksu east stadium
@cinci
Post by: Spracne on October 07, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
ku is going to push our crap inthe hawks won’t win another game this year post-ucf
@osu
ou
@isu
tech
@ksu east stadium
@cinci
Live look at 'clams
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Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2023, 05:34:12 PM
I actually think Texas is a win this year.This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2023, 11:28:37 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
Post by: pissclams on October 08, 2023, 12:49:14 PM
i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2023, 01:00:26 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins. Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games. If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6. To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 08, 2023, 01:27:00 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins. Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games. If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6. To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.
We've already beaten a few teams that are magnitudes of order better than OSU. OSU is probably the worst team that I have ever watched a K-State football team lose to.
Post by: cfbandyman on October 08, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins. Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games. If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6. To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.
We've already beaten a few teams that are magnitudes of order better than OSU. OSU is probably the worst team that I have ever watched a K-State football team lose to.
Agreed, it was like perplexing to watch them just absolutely play one of the worst games tbh. I know they can do better
Post by: CHONGS on October 08, 2023, 02:15:43 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 08, 2023, 02:31:12 PM
The best team we've beaten is either UCF or Troy. I don't see them as orders of magnitude better than Oklahoma State. In fact I'd argue UCF is worse.
UCF appears to not have a defense, which is one of the three phases of football (offense and special teams being the other two). I watched with my own (2) eyes as KSU displayed perhaps the strangest poor performance I've ever seen on Friday night. Will Howard looked like total ass. It was just an uncharacteristic game all around. I think you just burn the game film and treat it like it never even happened, because there was just too much weird ass crap that happened during that game. You guys are nowhere near as bad as you looked against OSU.
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2023, 04:21:54 PM
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that you can lose to a team that is worse than you are and you can still be a better team the rest of the wayThis team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins. Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games. If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6. To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.
We've already beaten a few teams that are magnitudes of order better than OSU. OSU is probably the worst team that I have ever watched a K-State football team lose to.
Post by: CHONGS on October 08, 2023, 04:52:40 PM
In that case we're in between Missouri and Troy.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 08, 2023, 06:16:17 PM
at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty
i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season
Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
Post by: MakeItRain on October 08, 2023, 06:33:52 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins. Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games. If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6. To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.
I'm not sure what you're taking exception to, I said 8-4ish, that's exactly what you just described.
Did you list Baylor at home as an automatic win but not Iowa State because you realized that going 2 and 2 in those other games, 3 of wick are also against other mid teams, would give us 8 wins?
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2023, 07:27:59 PM
1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT
Post by: Spracne on October 08, 2023, 07:29:05 PM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below. I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.
1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT
I love you.
Post by: pissclams on October 08, 2023, 08:35:15 PM
there’s nothing a parent won’t do for their child.at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty
i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season
Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
have you thought that perhaps snyder’s other motivation may be a conspiratorial effort to bolster his son’s new program , the kansas hawks?
we don’t want the recruits knowing this information- but what’s clear to me is that word made it to dylan edwards’ family which drove his decommitment, how many others know?
i’m guessing that bill has a burner phone and a host of fake profiles on all the socials that he’s using to spread his information. he was always suspiciously close to holly row, there’s no telling what she has been exposed to.
he’s squeezing klieman with the death grip of a python. unbelievable.
Post by: nicname on October 08, 2023, 09:51:16 PM
there’s nothing a parent won’t do for their child.at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty
i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season
Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
have you thought that perhaps snyder’s other motivation may be a conspiratorial effort to bolster his son’s new program , the kansas hawks?
we don’t want the recruits knowing this information- but what’s clear to me is that word made it to dylan edwards’ family which drove his decommitment, how many others know?
i’m guessing that bill has a burner phone and a host of fake profiles on all the socials that he’s using to spread his information. he was always suspiciously close to holly row, there’s no telling what she has been exposed to.
he’s squeezing klieman with the death grip of a python. unbelievable.
The goEMAW premium subscription comes thru in the clutch yet again.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 09, 2023, 08:18:02 AM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 09, 2023, 09:27:46 AM
there’s nothing a parent won’t do for their child.at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty
i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season
Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
have you thought that perhaps snyder’s other motivation may be a conspiratorial effort to bolster his son’s new program , the kansas hawks?
we don’t want the recruits knowing this information- but what’s clear to me is that word made it to dylan edwards’ family which drove his decommitment, how many others know?
i’m guessing that bill has a burner phone and a host of fake profiles on all the socials that he’s using to spread his information. he was always suspiciously close to holly row, there’s no telling what she has been exposed to.
he’s squeezing klieman with the death grip of a python. unbelievable.
Ok clams let’s just drop the charade…you are a hacker and you are the one who traced the IP address to triangulate LHCBS’s secret livejournal where he’s documenting all of his various plots and schemes to undermine coach hamface. I would ask that you not disclose the url at this time, but I guess the bigger question is:
What should be done? Do we let coach Snyder have his way? And if so would it be better to preemptively CAN CHRIS or do we let Snyder completely implode The Program before bringing him back to fix it? I’m coming at this from the perspective of what’s is best for ksucatsu football
Post by: cfbandyman on October 09, 2023, 09:36:55 AM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below. I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.
1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT
I love you.
Not gE I would pretty much rank it that way too. ku has the best shot to finally get a win, at home, they will throw everything at us, and I don't blame them.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 09, 2023, 10:07:21 AM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
If the team continues on the current trajectory, I have doubts about 6 wins.
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 11:17:20 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2023, 11:26:07 AM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.What did you think it would be
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 11:33:25 AM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.What did you think it would be
Closer to +7, last I looked it was +1 but it may have moved more since then.
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2023, 11:35:01 AM
Fixing any one of those issues goes a long way, but I don't know how fixable that stuff is.
Post by: bananaeater on October 09, 2023, 12:35:50 PM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.What did you think it would be
Closer to +7, last I looked it was +1 but it may have moved more since then.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 12:44:11 PM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 09, 2023, 12:48:19 PM
Snowbrag has us as 2 point favorites, I won't quit my day job to become a handicapper. @bananaeater I assume you are staying away from cats to cover on this one?
I bet TTU moneyline. Cats struggling, night game in Lubbock.....
Post by: Cire on October 09, 2023, 02:06:04 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 09, 2023, 02:52:42 PM
We're going to get throttled unless our receivers magically start getting open
We have had mostly crappy forever. We make up for it my spaghetti'ing our QB's domes. Why should we change now?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2023, 03:44:26 PM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below. I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.
1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT
Agree.
Post by: bananaeater on October 09, 2023, 07:10:16 PM
Snowbrag has us as 2 point favorites, I won't quit my day job to become a handicapper. @bananaeater I assume you are staying away from cats to cover on this one?
Rule #10 - Never ever ever give up.
I'm ride or die. Cats to cover.
"Money takes wings. The only thing that endures is character" - OJ Simpson
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 10, 2023, 07:50:21 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2023, 12:23:24 AM
The D is uncharacteristically bad, but I don’t see a ton of other faults. Credit to CKx2 knowing we needed Avery to win that game.
Under what measurement is this defense bad?
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2023, 12:34:43 AM
Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.
Post by: bananaeater on October 15, 2023, 12:39:41 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.Defense has been on the field too much this year methinks. Could just be my perception. Quick 3-and outs not helpful.
Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.
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Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 07:07:13 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.
Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.
I'm not saying the defense isn't worse this year, but last night was a pretty poor data point using the "comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year" metric
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2023, 07:36:48 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.
Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.
So the eye test it is then. Against P5 opponents this year, tech has scored 30, 13, and 39 and 49 their previous two games, we held them to 21. The defense held them under their season averages for points, yards, rushing yards, and forced 3 turnovers.
We did give up 3 red zone TDs tonight but going into the game only Michigan had given up fewer red zone touchdowns on the year. The defense is absolutely fine. Don't let Chingon's in game anxiety, which, I legitimately can't tell if it's sincere or gEing, sway you that something is wrong with our defense.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2023, 07:43:59 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 15, 2023, 07:47:11 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 15, 2023, 08:28:24 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 08:35:50 AM
Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.
Last year's 3rd down efficiency defense was 34% and this year's is 32%.
Why are people melting down about that win last night? I was hitting the sauce pretty hard but lol what did I miss
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2023, 09:15:44 AM
The defense has held every opponent, other than Oklahoma State, under their season average, and it's not like the offense is playing the old LHC Bill Snyder slothfense either.We’ll see how the data shakes out by the end, but on that last point we did play UCF’s backup QB making his first start and then Tech’s 3rd string. So you expect those outputs to be under their averages anyway (aside from the fact that just about everyone’s first four games or so are more likely to be blowouts).
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 10:33:31 AM
The defense has held every opponent, other than Oklahoma State, under their season average, and it's not like the offense is playing the old LHC Bill Snyder slothfense either.We’ll see how the data shakes out by the end, but on that last point we did play UCF’s backup QB making his first start and then Tech’s 3rd string. So you expect those outputs to be under their averages anyway (aside from the fact that just about everyone’s first four games or so are more likely to be blowouts).
Does the defense also get to hedge based on our linebacker and secondary injuries?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 15, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.
Last year's 3rd down efficiency defense was 34% and this year's is 32%.
Why are people melting down about that win last night? I was hitting the sauce pretty hard but lol what did I miss
My melting down was really more about our choices on offense. Defensively though, the YAC yards were troubling. Who knows maybe their rb is really good but there were so many times we’d get to him in the backfield and somehow he managed to squirt through for 4 or 5 yds. I think just about every time we had them in 3rd and long it they didn’t pick it up they got it to 4th and worth a shot, and then they would pick it up. And several of those it wasn’t busted coverage it was an 8 yd pass and the guy would drag the defender(s) for 7 or 8 more
Post by: wetwillie on October 15, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 15, 2023, 10:59:12 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 10:59:15 AM
Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.
Last year's 3rd down efficiency defense was 34% and this year's is 32%.
Why are people melting down about that win last night? I was hitting the sauce pretty hard but lol what did I miss
My melting down was really more about our choices on offense. Defensively though, the YAC yards were troubling. Who knows maybe their rb is really good but there were so many times we’d get to him in the backfield and somehow he managed to squirt through for 4 or 5 yds. I think just about every time we had them in 3rd and long it they didn’t pick it up they got it to 4th and worth a shot, and then they would pick it up. And several of those it wasn’t busted coverage it was an 8 yd pass and the guy would drag the defender(s) for 7 or 8 more
The rb leads the league in rushing yards fwiw
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 11:05:10 AM
Post by: pissclams on October 15, 2023, 12:08:09 PM
Post by: Cire on October 16, 2023, 02:05:33 PM
My eye test says we're prone to giving up explosive plays in the passing game but also our secondary is super dinged up.
I think we'll get better as the season goes as long as we can stay relatively healthy.
Klandy was sending the house like it was 1999 and that was awesome. Their qb got absolutely leveled on the TD pass where their guy made a great catch and got a foot in.
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2023, 05:56:18 PM
Post by: nicname on November 30, 2024, 11:13:32 PM
He understands that fans want Kansas State to go undefeated, but adds: "This is a hard business right now. It's a really hard business, and we won eight games for the fourth year in a row."
Per Kellis tweet
Post by: tdaver on November 30, 2024, 11:15:44 PM
Last 4 regular season games:
2019 2-2, 8-4
2020 0-4, 4-6
2021 2-2, 7-5
2022 3-1, 9-3
2023 2-2, 8-4
2024 1-3, 8-4
Stumble down the stretch to 8-4. That’s our MO.
Chris Klieman got defensive at times during his press conference.
He understands that fans want Kansas State to go undefeated, but adds: "This is a hard business right now. It's a really hard business, and we won eight games for the fourth year in a row."
Per Kellis tweet
Well there you go. 8 wins is the standard.
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2024, 11:18:51 PM
Last 4 regular season games:
2019 2-2, 8-4
2020 0-4, 4-6
2021 2-2, 7-5
2022 3-1, 9-3
2023 2-2, 8-4
2024 1-3, 8-4
Stumble down the stretch to 8-4. That’s our MO.Chris Klieman got defensive at times during his press conference.
He understands that fans want Kansas State to go undefeated, but adds: "This is a hard business right now. It's a really hard business, and we won eight games for the fourth year in a row."
Per Kellis tweet
Well there you go. 8 wins is the standard.
It's a random stat but who else in the big 12 has won 8 games 4 years in a row?
Post by: nicname on November 30, 2024, 11:21:08 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2024, 11:26:37 PM
Prob no one else, including UT and OU. Still SLTH talk. Not saying I want Klieman fired. Still think the next two years could be very special, but that is loser talk iyam.FWIW we also won a dr pepper in that span. if SLTH's win those every now and then sign me up
Post by: Benja on November 30, 2024, 11:36:00 PM
Prob no one else, including UT and OU. Still SLTH talk. Not saying I want Klieman fired. Still think the next two years could be very special, but that is loser talk iyam.
To a degree. I appreciate you bringing this up. However, I really do think he's a good coach.
New OC.
Post by: 06wildcat on November 30, 2024, 11:40:26 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 01, 2024, 12:46:22 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 02:39:49 AM
Klieman is a good coach who can't be on the hot seat because of past performance and who the AD is, but it would be nice if he was a little more reflective of why the team he leads just lost 3 of 4.
He did plenty of that during the press conference and I'm 100% certain he does even more when he's with his team instead of during post game press conferences.
Post by: CNS on December 01, 2024, 08:29:24 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on December 01, 2024, 08:42:41 AM
Kleiman is a great coach, imo. We could probably get a better one but it’s more likely we’d get a worse one. Would really just like to see a new offense while we have Avery. This one looked uninspired all year.
I completely agree with everything you said. I like Kleiman, I hope he stays, but the offense desperately needs a change at OC or else we're looking at another 8-4 season next year.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 01, 2024, 08:45:33 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on December 01, 2024, 08:58:01 AM
Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2024, 09:01:19 AM
Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.
Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright
There won't be an upgrade at OC.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 01, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.
Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright
There won't be an upgrade at OC.
Correct
Post by: 06wildcat on December 01, 2024, 09:24:05 AM
Klieman is a good coach who can't be on the hot seat because of past performance and who the AD is, but it would be nice if he was a little more reflective of why the team he leads just lost 3 of 4.
He did plenty of that during the press conference and I'm 100% certain he does even more when he's with his team instead of during post game press conferences.
Glad to hear.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 11:44:46 AM
Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.
There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 11:48:32 AM
Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.
Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright
There won't be an upgrade at OC.
While not ideal, I don't think this is that big of a deal, if it happens like this. I thought that Riley was decent as a first year play caller. I do think he should give up the o line coach position, if he's the coordinator. I also think we'd be better off if Klieman let Riley and Wells run the offense without his meddling.
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 01:09:51 PM
Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.
Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright
There won't be an upgrade at OC.
While not ideal, I don't think this is that big of a deal, if it happens like this. I thought that Riley was decent as a first year play caller. I do think he should give up the o line coach position, if he's the coordinator. I also think we'd be better off if Klieman let Riley and Wells run the offense without his meddling.
I actually don't think we'll make a change either, unfortunately. There is no clear path forward. How do you ask a proven guy who's a personal friend to step down and go back to coaching only the O-Line? p4 sports just don't work that way. If you aren't moving forward you are going backwards (in these coaches minds). We either get rid of Riley or we somehow convince him to be better and adopt a new philisophy, while also bringing in a stud O-line coach. It's a weird situation guys.
Post by: CNS on December 01, 2024, 01:15:08 PM
Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.
There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.
I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 01:16:21 PM
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 01:20:05 PM
Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.
There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.
I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.
I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.
Post by: nicname on December 01, 2024, 01:51:25 PM
Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.
There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.
I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.
I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.
The floor shouldn’t be the average, especially in the new XII.
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2024, 01:55:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2024, 01:55:57 PM
Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.
There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.
I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.
I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.
The floor shouldn’t be the average, especially in the new XII.
What is the average of 8, 8, 9, and 10?
Post by: nicname on December 01, 2024, 02:03:08 PM
Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.
There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.
I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.
I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.
The floor shouldn’t be the average, especially in the new XII.
What is the average of 8, 8, 9, and 10?
That’s what I’m saying.
Post by: nicname on December 01, 2024, 02:06:19 PM
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 02:08:25 PM
What weird fantasy land do people live in that they think we have some sustained competitive advantage over the rest of the new league? We are all basically on equal footing in resources.
This is interesting. I definitely don't think we have inherent or obvious advantageous over other programs. I do think when you sign a QB like Avery you are signaling that you are going to compete for at least a conference championship every year. I think my worry is that it feels like we were lucky to even be 8-4 this year. And I mostly hated how our offense looked. I'm just hoping we are trending in the right direction and not the wrong one.
Also, new OC. (sorry, gotta say it.).
Post by: nicname on December 01, 2024, 02:16:02 PM
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 02:19:59 PM
Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.
Well, right now ISU, BYU, and ASU are telling us it's them. It's kinda crazy that I'm not super confident we can compete against them.
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2024, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 02:21:10 PM
Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.
Nic, what are you doing here? We were 6-3 in conference last year and 7-2 the year before that.
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 02:22:45 PM
However, I do think next year could be special unless we muck it all up so I'd looooove to avoid that.
Post by: CNS on December 01, 2024, 02:23:42 PM
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 02:24:50 PM
Isn’t it time for us to discuss what bowl game we are going to? You know, like rough ridin' losers.
:party:
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 02:25:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 02:26:12 PM
Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.
Well, right now ISU, BYU, and ASU are telling us it's them. It's kinda crazy that I'm not super confident we can compete against them.
I'm sorry but you guys are being stupid as eff. Completely ignoring the very recent past of us and all these teams to make this pedantic point is maddening. Those three programs have been completely in the mud, acting like they're set up to boss anyone is wild as hell. Then to exclude the only actual team who turned a corner this year and might be structured to maintain it, Colorado, is certainly a choice.
Just let a disappointing end of the season be a disappointing end of the season. The insistence on treating this program like an also-ran is really rough ridin' dumb.
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2024, 02:26:35 PM
Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.
Well, right now ISU, BYU, and ASU are telling us it's them. It's kinda crazy that I'm not super confident we can compete against them.
Last year, they all had worse seasons than we had this year. ASU and BYU were way worse. No one has emerged as anything, it's a really balanced conference.
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 02:27:18 PM
Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.
Well, right now ISU, BYU, and ASU are telling us it's them. It's kinda crazy that I'm not super confident we can compete against them.
I'm sorry but you guys are being stupid as eff. Completely ignoring the very recent past of us and all these teams to make this pedantic point is maddening. Those three programs have been completely in the mud, acting like they're set up to boss anyone is wild as hell. Then to exclude the only actual team who turned a corner this year and might be structured to maintain it, Colorado, is certainly a choice.
Just let a disappointing end of the season be a disappointing end of the season. The insistence on treating this program like an also-ran is really rough ridin' dumb.
I know, MIR. But it's fun to be un-hinged sometimes.
Post by: nicname on December 01, 2024, 03:34:12 PM
Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.
Nic, what are you doing here? We were 6-3 in conference last year and 7-2 the year before that.
I’d take what Klieman has done up to now in perpetuity in the 10-team B12. The highs and lows are all part of it. I don’t think that is enough in the current version of the conference. Averaging one conference title every 5 years or so would be about right going forward tho.
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2024, 03:53:18 PM
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 04:32:54 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 04:36:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2024, 04:38:29 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.
Post by: Benja on December 01, 2024, 04:42:01 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.
Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).
Post by: pissclams on December 01, 2024, 06:48:18 PM
when was their last elite eight? football title? anything?
everyone is fighting for the same thing, we’re not alabama for goodness sake, there’s going to be some years when crap doesn’t go our way.
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2024, 06:58:26 PM
He should not be praised or faulted for anything other than how he does in the new big 12.
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2024, 07:23:52 PM
we’re not getting passed by isu in anything. this is their first ten win season. we’ve done that ten timesThere is something that I think is unique to our fanbase where a lot of folks feel like we are on the precipice of everlasting irrelevance and seek to get a kick out of being dramatic about it. Like there's this expectations that we are getting kicked in the nuts constantly and we'll never recover. Maybe because of the trauma of conference realignment and the 80's football program? Don't know but it's definitely something
when was their last elite eight? football title? anything?
everyone is fighting for the same thing, we’re not alabama for goodness sake, there’s going to be some years when crap doesn’t go our way.
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2024, 07:56:24 PM
we’re not getting passed by isu in anything. this is their first ten win season. we’ve done that ten times
when was their last elite eight? football title? anything?
everyone is fighting for the same thing, we’re not alabama for goodness sake, there’s going to be some years when crap doesn’t go our way.
I think it feels that way because Campbell has beat the brakes off Klieman the last 5 years.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 08:40:08 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.
Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).
What? :ROFL: are you on drugs?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2024, 08:43:58 PM
we’re not getting passed by isu in anything. this is their first ten win season. we’ve done that ten times
when was their last elite eight? football title? anything?
everyone is fighting for the same thing, we’re not alabama for goodness sake, there’s going to be some years when crap doesn’t go our way.
I think it feels that way because Campbell has beat the brakes off Klieman the last 5 years.
Interesting that you went five years instead of the six that they played against each other. Without that COVID game that absolutely should not have been played, Campbell is 3-2 against Klieman. So dramatic.
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2024, 09:53:08 PM
we’re not getting passed by isu in anything. this is their first ten win season. we’ve done that ten times
when was their last elite eight? football title? anything?
everyone is fighting for the same thing, we’re not alabama for goodness sake, there’s going to be some years when crap doesn’t go our way.
I think it feels that way because Campbell has beat the brakes off Klieman the last 5 years.
Interesting that you went five years instead of the six that they played against each other. Without that COVID game that absolutely should not have been played, Campbell is 3-2 against Klieman. So dramatic.
Why do our fans feel the need to try and prove we're inferior to Iowa State??? Because that somehow makes the 8- win season hurt more? To justify firing Klieman? It's so bizarre and I truly don't understand it.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 01, 2024, 11:44:56 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2024, 02:00:09 AM
we’re not getting passed by isu in anything. this is their first ten win season. we’ve done that ten times
when was their last elite eight? football title? anything?
everyone is fighting for the same thing, we’re not alabama for goodness sake, there’s going to be some years when crap doesn’t go our way.
I think it feels that way because Campbell has beat the brakes off Klieman the last 5 years.
Interesting that you went five years instead of the six that they played against each other. Without that COVID game that absolutely should not have been played, Campbell is 3-2 against Klieman. So dramatic.
Why do our fans feel the need to try and prove we're inferior to Iowa State??? Because that somehow makes the 8- win season hurt more? To justify firing Klieman? It's so bizarre and I truly don't understand it.
Matt Campbell just had a damn 4 win season, FOUR! They went 1-8 in conference. wetwillie is spending too much time reading the miserable weirdos on kso.
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2024, 10:03:07 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 02, 2024, 12:02:07 PM
Post by: nicname on December 02, 2024, 12:06:16 PM
I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.
Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 02, 2024, 12:21:31 PM
I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.
Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.
TBF we weren't dominating them before just winning a series of very close games. This is almost a law of averages. The last two games have just been super frustrating cause of ineptness tackling last year, and the two TOs this year. Both were super winnable games if we actually played well or didn't do anything stupid. Our defense on Saturday for the most part, especially in the second half, did really well, and Avery did well enough to win.
I suspect we'll come out hard in Ireland.
Post by: Benja on December 02, 2024, 01:22:46 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.
Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).
What? :ROFL: are you on drugs?
Do you not know what the term un-hinged means? Guys, this message board used to be fun.
Post by: nicname on December 02, 2024, 01:28:31 PM
I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.
Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.
TBF we weren't dominating them before just winning a series of very close games. This is almost a law of averages. The last two games have just been super frustrating cause of ineptness tackling last year, and the two TOs this year. Both were super winnable games if we actually played well or didn't do anything stupid. Our defense on Saturday for the most part, especially in the second half, did really well, and Avery did well enough to win.
I suspect we'll come out hard in Ireland.
We’re 26-9 against them since 1990, including two streaks of 10-straight.
Two of those losses culminated in Snyder retiring, one was under Prince in a god-awful 2007 season, one was the lone wart on the otherwise blissful 1993 season, and four have been under Klieman; all maddening in their own way.
Losing to ISU is the absolute worst*.
*It’s actually probably losing to KU, but we’re fortunate to almost forgotten what that feels like.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2024, 01:43:10 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.
Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).
What? :ROFL: are you on drugs?
Do you not know what the term un-hinged means? Guys, this message board used to be fun.
I mean, it was always a board when gEing worked best when you picked your spots. 'clams has no issue here
Post by: cfbandyman on December 02, 2024, 01:44:23 PM
I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.
Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.
TBF we weren't dominating them before just winning a series of very close games. This is almost a law of averages. The last two games have just been super frustrating cause of ineptness tackling last year, and the two TOs this year. Both were super winnable games if we actually played well or didn't do anything stupid. Our defense on Saturday for the most part, especially in the second half, did really well, and Avery did well enough to win.
I suspect we'll come out hard in Ireland.
We’re 26-9 against them since 1990, including two streaks of 10-straight.
Two of those losses culminated in Snyder retiring, one was under Prince in a god-awful 2007 season, one was the lone wart on the otherwise blissful 1993 season, and four have been under Klieman; all maddening in their own way.
Losing to ISU is the absolute worst*.
*It’s actually probably losing to KU, but we’re fortunate to almost forgotten what that feels like.
I think it's the second worst if only cause it's the closest Big 8 school to getting to a winning record vs (not that it really matters that much) and they're so similar while also not. I think this thread is kinda proof of it to a degree. I think both programs see each other as a measuring stick, and for them it's about catching/keeping up, and for us it's about staying ahead of. So a win for us validates we're ahead, and a loss to them means they haven't caught up, and of course when the opposite happens they feel they caught up and we feel the walls closing in. I do think this sort of spell we have had over them is completely broken, and to a degree we play too scared against them. Hopefully we're fueled for next year and not going to drop off. If there is one thing ISU always has though is that game vs Iowa so they always have to be as ready as possible as soon as possible. We don't often.
Losing to ku though, I think is almost unthinkable yet you know it's always there. You felt it in the stadium this year. It'll happen, someday. So we live in blissful ignorance of times like 2008.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 02, 2024, 01:46:03 PM
Post by: nicname on December 02, 2024, 01:58:46 PM
Also, I agree with most about it's insane to overreact to 8-4. I am disappointed in it, but it is by no means fireable. Getting upset at 8-4 is how you hire yourself a shittier coach and go down the tubes like Nubbs did.
Definitely not fireable. I should have searched harder for ‘clams “Ham and potatoes face” Klieman thread to put my initial post in.
Post by: Benja on December 02, 2024, 02:10:21 PM
I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.
ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).
I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.
Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).
What? :ROFL: are you on drugs?
Do you not know what the term un-hinged means? Guys, this message board used to be fun.
I mean, it was always a board when gEing worked best when you picked your spots. 'clams has no issue here
Fair enough. I'll pick my spots. I feel like that was fair feedback both ways.
Post by: nicname on December 02, 2024, 02:19:08 PM
Post by: Benja on December 02, 2024, 02:25:23 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 03, 2024, 11:24:20 AM
So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.
but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.
I am Dorian Gray
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2024, 12:27:20 PM
if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.
So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.
but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.
I am Dorian Gray
POTD. Bullseye
Post by: Havs on December 03, 2024, 12:29:04 PM
if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.
So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.
but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.
I am Dorian Gray
:clap:
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2024, 12:31:19 PM
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2024, 01:23:58 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2024, 03:02:01 PM
Losing to Iowa State is a terrible look for any K-State coach.
The worst part about last Saturday night is that Iowa State is a decent not great team. They begged us to win game and we refused.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 03, 2024, 04:04:03 PM
if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.
So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.
but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.
I am Dorian Gray
POTD. Bullseye
:adored:
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 03, 2024, 04:05:02 PM
cRusty's theft of the Don Draperism aside.
Losing to Iowa State is a terrible look for any K-State coach.
The worst part about last Saturday night is that Iowa State is a decent not great team. They begged us to win game and we refused.
i think this is a pretty accurate description of our last 3 losses.
Post by: Spracne on December 03, 2024, 04:15:02 PM
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2024, 04:17:08 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2024, 05:03:42 PM
The worst part about last Saturday night is that Iowa State is a decent not great team. They begged us to win game and we refused.
And they are playing to win the Dr. Pepper! That should show everyone we are right there.