Fire Chris Klieman

[michigancat]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.

Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much

[DQ12]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.

Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much

I'm in favor of this.

[MakeItRain]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.

[MakeItRain]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.

Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much

I'm in favor of this.

As a developmental program we have to be patient enough to see if their evaluation is good enough to build this program, we aren't there yet. Their first real class, the '20 class has had one spring in the program and it was just 6 months ago.

[nicname]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.

Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much

I'm in favor of this.

Yes. It’s why Klieman needs to be willing to cut bait on the underperforming assistants, and Gene needs to be willing to open up the budget enough to pay the kinds of guys that will bring in studs.

[DQ12]

Yeah, the defense has been pretty bad for the last season and a half.  I agree the players are bad, and it's hard to judge scheme.  I think in year three (even with an abridged 2020), it's fair to start placing some of the responsibility of "the players are bad" on the coaches -- especially when recruiting doesn't seem to be on an upward trajectory -- and what we currently have is largely built on a patchwork of one year transfers.

[nicname]

What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?

[DQ12]

What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?

From a 2018 article on OSU's rivals site:

If we take a look across the Big 12, Baylor and TCU weren’t listed as they’re private institutions, but Texas checks in at No. 1 as they pay their assistant coaches a combined $5,955,000 a year, Oklahoma at No. 2 with $5,465,040 a year, Oklahoma State at No. 3 with $4,150,000 a year, Kansas State at No. 4 with $3,599,000 a year, West Virginia at No. 5 with $3,447,575 a year, Texas Tech at No. 6 with $3,008,000 a year, Kansas at No. 7 with $3,002,299 a year and Iowa State No. 8 with $2,982,500 a year

[michigancat]

Wait so why couldn't we get Scheelhaase?

[wiley]

What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?

Oklahoma States lowest paid assistant coach makes 250k (after reductions due to COVID).  Roughly 800k for coordinators and 500k for senior assistants.

[michigancat]

Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?

[nicname]

What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?

Oklahoma States lowest paid assistant coach makes 250k (after reductions due to COVID).  Roughly 800k for coordinators and 500k for senior assistants.

Yeah, I saw Hazelton is earning > $900k nowadays

[michigancat]

Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?

His defense at ODU does not look very good after a quick glance at their schedule. Do not know the context, but that seems like he made a bad career move

[nicname]

Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?

Looks like he left on good terms. Took the DC job at Old Dominion, joining former Cats assistant HC Ricky Rahne.

Raine is earning just under $800k. He took over last year, but their season was cancelled. Seiler was a big part of WVU's recent recruiting surge.

[nicname]

ha, we're googling at the same time.

[nicname]

Is Rahne still a hot name in coaching these days?

[420seriouscat69]

Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.

[nicname]

Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.

  6 degrees of Blake Seiler . The following was posted in the movie thread ...

Watched Happy Valley on Netflix last night. Pretty well done. Good showcase of the Sandusky/Penn State fiasco from basically all angles. After watching, I can absolutely see the exact same thing playing out if it had been Snyder in Joe Pa's shoes. I'll just assume Snyder would have done more than "tell his boss" if someone saw Dimel or some longtime assistant playing check the oil with some teen in his private shower or something.

[nicname]

Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.

Don't know what prompted this. Posted in the Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread ...

If I ever said anything positive about Dimel as head coach ITT, just go ahead and strike that right from the record.

[wiley]

Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.

UTEP got crushed by Boise State.  And didn’t we have like real problems with QB injuries when he was the OC year after year?

[SkinnyBenny]

Dimel’s juggernaut scored 7 points against Vanderbilt when we went there in 2017 or whatever. Happy for his and UTEP’s recent success. Feel zero percent bad about trashing him for his tenure here.

[ELL3]

When you approach futility of the Stan Parrish days, some people do question what the heck is going on. Evidently K-State is the only program impacted by Covid.

[wiley]

When you approach futility of the Stan Parrish days, some people do question what the heck is going on. Evidently K-State is the only program impacted by Covid.

I think LSU had a ton of holdouts last year.  So I would say at least 2 schools.  And we are apparently the only one that won’t can our coach.

[MakeItRain]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.

Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much

I'm in favor of this.

Yes. It’s why Klieman needs to be willing to cut bait on the underperforming assistants, and Gene needs to be willing to open up the budget enough to pay the kinds of guys that will bring in studs.

Who are the underperforming assistants and how are you measuring that?

[MakeItRain]

Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?

His defense at ODU does not look very good after a quick glance at their schedule. Do not know the context, but that seems like he made a bad career move

It's a long term gig. Unless they are completely on some clown crap they will have that job for a very long time without getting fired. They are literally building that program from nothing. It seems to be low risk, high reward. They'll get all the time in the world to build ODU up, if they have success all of those coaches will get better jobs in no time.