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Title: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on May 22, 2019, 03:34:59 PM
When will ADGT say enough is enough?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on May 22, 2019, 03:38:01 PM
honeymoon is def over
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on May 22, 2019, 03:53:48 PM
BYEMAN
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 03:54:12 PM
Can Klie!


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on May 22, 2019, 03:59:58 PM
He’s lost control of this team
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 0.42 on May 22, 2019, 04:00:43 PM
our fans deserve better
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on May 22, 2019, 04:06:12 PM
What's LHC Bill Snyder up to?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on May 22, 2019, 04:57:58 PM
calm the dang waters
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 05:43:57 PM
Bill would have this under control. And is still alive. Just saying.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on May 24, 2019, 03:34:39 PM
He has been on the job 6 months and not one gottdamned victory.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on May 24, 2019, 03:40:24 PM
why isn't this thread pinned?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWforever on May 24, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
He has been on the job 6 months and not one gottdamned victory.
You mean we lost the scrimmage?  Dang we suck
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on May 24, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
why isn't this thread pinned?
done
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on May 24, 2019, 04:27:09 PM
appreciate the help pissclams
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on May 26, 2019, 08:48:28 AM
why isn't this thread pinned?
done
Pissclams is an American treasure. Can only hope he joins my FF trivia team.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on May 28, 2019, 05:34:32 PM
Except for the fact that this whole thread is nothing more than raillery, I'd say fire all you MutherFockers.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2019, 08:49:22 AM
Except for the fact that this whole thread is nothing more than raillery, I'd say fire all you MutherFockers.

Agree to disagree, I guess.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2019, 09:38:40 AM
Fire his ass


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on June 05, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
Fire his ass


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I'm not sure anything can stop his ass though
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
Fire his ass


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I'm not sure anything can stop his ass though

Can it
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on June 05, 2019, 03:10:13 PM
I'm disappointed this loser is still on campus.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on June 05, 2019, 04:40:25 PM
All I can say is I agree with everything said ITT, except for catsucker's foolishness.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2019, 04:55:08 PM
Can his ass and fire his dead body


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: manpow5 on June 06, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
Let the playmakers make plays and not micro manage the defense... gonna need to get used to this..

https://twitter.com/Pete_Francis/status/1136805330506145799?s=19
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: lakesbison on June 07, 2019, 11:50:00 PM
slap yo friggin mouth boy!

this is Grade A Turd Thread
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on June 08, 2019, 06:43:15 AM
Bison Tuck in the house.

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2019, 01:26:36 PM
sick of this
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on June 09, 2019, 03:48:55 PM
you know who else wanted to change the uniforms? ron prince.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 09, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
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lakesbison
slap yo friggin mouth boy!

this is Grade A Turd Thread

lakesbison, I do believe we got us some of them there Rooshun Bots posting here to create more chaos.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: slackcat on June 12, 2019, 05:59:14 AM
Send him back to the black hills.  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2019, 11:28:22 AM
https://missouristatebears.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=5281

He chased off Anthony Payne!  :curse:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on June 12, 2019, 11:32:21 AM
he left last october squawk
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2019, 11:32:52 AM
I love a good squawk outing!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2019, 11:34:34 AM
 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2019, 11:44:44 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on June 12, 2019, 12:35:28 PM
damn
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 14, 2019, 03:27:08 AM
Yore either for KSU moving forward or you're in the way of advancement.
Yuck Foo if you're #2. Huzzah if you're #1.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on June 18, 2019, 12:25:53 PM
Rison transferring. trouble in paradise? is Klieman having trouble connecting to the players?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on June 18, 2019, 12:51:11 PM
Inside source says there is a player mutiny
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on June 19, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
Can his ass at the royals game, kc people.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 21, 2019, 08:05:12 AM

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Trim
Can his ass at the royals game, kc people.

Tiny little boys who know knowing about effort and what it takes to succeed.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 21, 2019, 08:20:52 AM
CB73 the extra steps you take when quoting someone...i'm both impressed but also highly confused. you are an enigma wrapped in a mystery.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: manpow5 on June 24, 2019, 01:41:04 PM
Fire CK now! The field is meant for football! Fun activities like this would never have happened under LHCBS and it takes away our focus from winning against Nicholls State in 2 months!

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1143198848837455882?s=19
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2019, 01:45:11 PM
Wow, is “eff around childishly” number 12 on Klieman’s goals?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
also lots of showboating :curse:


https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1141854995576266752
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 24, 2019, 02:55:14 PM
the field is going to look like absolute crap on TV if they keep up all this (pardon my french) tom foolery.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on June 24, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
Just following HOFHCBS tradition.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on June 24, 2019, 06:39:03 PM
this is bullshit. we deserve a hard worker.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on June 26, 2019, 09:29:48 PM
Meadowlark was in Fargo(again) tonight.

I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if he Nigerian buybacks his way back to NDSU. Uses your lower tier program for a pay raise, opens eyes at prestigious NDSU, and they open up the check book to bring him home.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on June 27, 2019, 09:23:03 AM
i would like nothing more than for this poor man's woody harrelson to return to his losery roots
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 27, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
i would like nothing more than for this poor man's woody harrelson to return to his losery roots

He's the Amish guy in Kingpin. Woody is better than he is even with a prosthetic hand.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on June 27, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
i would like nothing more than for this poor man's woody harrelson to return to his losery roots
He loses?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 27, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
 
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BIG APPLE CAT

CB73 the extra steps you take when quoting someone...i'm both impressed but also highly confused. you are an enigma wrapped in a mystery.

That makes two of us confused. I'm having to use code now rather than getting all the links above.

Makes me wonder if I pissed someone off.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on June 27, 2019, 06:44:31 PM
How much does dakota have to pay if they hire eff head back away from us as is?  I assume it's nothing if we can his ass first.  Win-win?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on June 27, 2019, 07:16:18 PM
Maybe they will take Fargo Gene back too.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 29, 2019, 12:16:15 AM
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wetwillie
Maybe they will take Fargo Gene back too.

Pathetic!

The winningest coach in all of college football and you JAY-Huksters aren't even giving him a chance.

YUCK-FOO.  Go play with yourselves in Jay-Hukster stadium with it's plastic cover and filth covered seating while eating the "Grass.".
You all deserve Mess Lieles and his movies.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
Are you having a stroke?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on June 29, 2019, 12:11:18 PM
Yuck-Foo is delicious.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on June 29, 2019, 12:54:40 PM
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libstradamus
Are you having a stroke?

Nope. Had some before. They're a damn sight less painful than writing off HCCK before giving him a chance.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2019, 03:32:52 PM
have you ever considered posting in the pit?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Ich.Gewinne on June 29, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
Just so much zeal.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on July 03, 2019, 05:10:49 PM
have you ever considered posting in the pit?

What have you created!  :surprised:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on July 03, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
No crap

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 03, 2019, 07:14:12 PM
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libstradamus
have you ever considered posting in the pit?

Been there. Done that.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 03, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/66/6619e1982b5f9a02d25897e8d415d5a784a754330a6054280ef3311416397d91.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 04, 2019, 05:10:20 AM
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DaBigTrain

Oh snap. Looks like we got a badass over here.

Offered appointment to Annapolis, 10 bazillion males, No rough ridin' way I spend my time with 43 Million males.

Full ride to Dartmouth, at $43 GAZILLION. Nope, they even offered my father teaching/coaching job and family a house in NH with all expenses paid.

Who, in their right mind, would want to live in Northern Nh?

Badass? Nope, just not stupid.  Although I did score in the top 3% of my year(ACT).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 04, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
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DaBigTrain

Oh snap. Looks like we got a badass over here.

Offered appointment to Annapolis, 10 bazillion males, No rough ridin' way I spend my time with 43 Million males.

Full ride to Dartmouth, at $43 GAZILLION. Nope, they even offered my father teaching/coaching job and family a house in NH with all expenses paid.

Who, in their right mind, would want to live in Northern Nh?

Badass? Nope, just not stupid.  Although I did score in the top 3% of my year(ACT).

Why take the time to write something like that when nobody gives a eff?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on July 04, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
Very impressive '73
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 04, 2019, 03:01:06 PM
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DaBigTrain
Why take the time to write something like that when nobody gives a eff?

Did your Oppo research for you.

Plus, I'm just an old man and at my age we get to bend rules, a bit. (Damn, son, I worked on the JFK campaign, RFK, campaign, sit ins and protests for MLK.)

So my opinion about HCCK, based on experience, carries just a bit more weight than yours.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucknbasscat on July 04, 2019, 04:33:59 PM
goEMAW is getting trolled like Arkansas got trolled..Catbacker 73 is real treat..🤩
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on July 05, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
You protested Martin Luther the king? Gross dude
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: hemmy on July 05, 2019, 10:17:30 AM
Wait what happened when this thread was created.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on July 05, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
Wait what happened when this thread was created.
Zuber I think
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on July 05, 2019, 10:45:31 AM
We just wanted to can his ass. No single reason.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 05, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
goEMAW is getting trolled like Arkansas got trolled..Catbacker 73 is real treat..🤩
:jerk:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on July 05, 2019, 11:48:37 AM
'73 is no pigfuker, for sure
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 05, 2019, 12:17:20 PM
 :Keke:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on July 05, 2019, 06:30:47 PM
'73 is no pigfuker, for sure

Pigfuker wouldn't stoop that low.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 06, 2019, 03:48:08 AM
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Katdaddy
Pigfuker wouldn't stoop that low.

You're correct. Growing up in a tiny village of 127, 000, with the busiest Army base during the Viet Nam war and 4 High Schools in town, the smallest was 400, the largest over 3500,  we learned to walk proudly and tall.

In my brief time of 6 years there,  three of the schools won 2 to 5 State Football Championships in their class.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 06, 2019, 09:37:41 AM
state championships are a huge deal, they can't be respected enough
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2019, 09:40:17 AM
Especially impressive when living in the same town when they were won.

Secsecsec
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 06, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
oops, forgot to note that my Soph year started out as SS in our 43 D, but got moved to SLB  -- my apologies
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on July 06, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
oops, forgot to note that my Soph year started out as SS in our 43 D, but got moved to SLB  -- my apologies

cathotsmoker:   
"In my brief time of 6 years there,  three of the schools won 2 to 5 State Football Championships in their class"

Good story, but you need to make up your mind about the number.  :confused:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 07, 2019, 02:39:57 AM
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Katdaddy
Good story, but you need to make up your mind about the number.  :confused:
3,500 - 5A  won 5

1900 - 4A  won 2

400 - 1A    won 4

Back then 1A-4A each had 8 Districts of 8 teams each. 8 Teams made the playoffs. You either won your District and moved on, or you didn't. Wasn't any of this 2nd chance bulShyte as here in Ks.

5A had 6 Districts of 6. Again, you either won and went on or your season was over.   BTW, everyone played 11 regular season games.

My two favorite stories:
1. We had won our District 17 straight years and after year 7, nobody in our district would play us. Quote from the other ADs and Coaches; "You designate who you want to be your District games and we will approve them. We are not playing you any more." 

Honest to god, we sometimes had games 8 hours, one way, away. We'd leave early Friday after a team breakfast and get back 3-4 Saturday morning.

2. We had black players on our team like all the teams in the city did and once in a while that caused problems. Now, remember this was the 60s. After one game, where we beat a REDNeck azzHole 4A team, as the team bus was heading to supper (by state law if any athletic event cause missing a meal, the school had to pay to feed everyone.)  The team bus was being hassled by pickup trucks with "Macho Men" hollaring racist stuff and just being pains.

Again, remember this was the 60s and when a Coach said jump, the correct answer was "How High." If you had to run, you N-E-V-E-R asked how far. But as the bus pulled into the diner where we were going to eat, the team, to a man, told the Coaches they had some business to take care of and the Coaches were TOLD to go into the diner.

The Coaches actually left, asking no questions. When the team got into the diner about 15 minutes later, nobody said word one. But we never got hassled by any team we played or their people ever again.

Might be my Absolutely Proudest time as a football team member.

Last point, sorry to go on so long, but every Sunday football players from all the schools met in one of the huge parks in town and we played touch/tackle football in sweats. Honest to Gawd, I never heard one rough ridin' racist comment either year I played. As long as you were an upright-non-cheater everyone got along.

Fun note, soon to be OU QB Steve Davis and some of his friends and players we competed against would slip over from Salisaw and Muldrow and join us on Sundays. He was a couple of years younger than me but we tried to kill each other in the football games and then always had a great time at track meets. Both of us threw the shot and discus.
1973    Steve Davis    
1974    Steve Davis    
1975    Steve Davis   

   



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2019, 11:48:58 AM
Yes, Steve Davis from Meade, KS
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 07, 2019, 12:46:55 PM
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Spracne
Yes, Steve Davis from Meade, KS
  Wrong one.

Davis was born on Barksdale Air Force Base in Bossier City, Louisiana, but was raised in Sallisaw, Oklahoma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Davis_(quarterback)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 0.42 on July 08, 2019, 06:28:02 PM
Wait what happened when this thread was created.

ran out of toner
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on July 08, 2019, 06:51:07 PM
Wait what happened when this thread was created.

ran out of toner

Crock pot
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on July 10, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
CAN HIS ASS

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1149031354765647873
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on July 10, 2019, 02:23:49 PM
CAN HIS ASS

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1149031354765647873

This clearly shows the amount of respect they have for effhead.  :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on July 10, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
hot stud Seth LittreLL would have had us at least 5th
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: POWL on July 10, 2019, 05:47:59 PM
That is too high for TCU....their QB situation is rediculas.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2019, 07:59:06 PM
TX should be 1


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: hemmy on July 10, 2019, 08:06:12 PM
Ooof
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on July 10, 2019, 08:09:48 PM
ISU is now king of the nortards
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 07:57:29 AM
That is too high for TCU....their QB situation is rediculas.
I still can't believe we allowed Delton to transfer in conference without any penalty like a normal person should do. I mean, yeah, he can't throw, so I get it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on July 11, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
ISU is now king of the nortards
ISU will suck as always.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 11, 2019, 04:43:17 PM
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'taterblast

hot stud Seth LittreLL would have had us at least 5th

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After so many years of frustration, the Mean Green came up with a nine-win season with a shot at the Conference USA title, but the defense left the building for the rematch of a regular season game against Florida Atlantic – the Owls hung up 110 points in the two wins – followed up by a 50-30 blowout loss to Troy in the New Orleans Bowl.
https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/06/north-texas-mean-green-college-football-preview-2018

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Since Klieman joined the program the Bison haven’t failed to win the Missouri Valley Conference and have won six national championships in seven seasons with a shot at seven titles in eight years if they can advance next weekend in the semifinals.(seven titles in eight years, which they did)

You take "Lai-Trail", fold him five times and put him where the moon don't shine.

I'll take HCCK 7 days of the week and FKUC "Lai-Trail"



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: manpow5 on August 05, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
Uhg! guys, it's like he's giving our opponents the playbook. That may have worked at the FCS level, but up here in the big boy league practices need to be held under intense security where no one knows anything EVER. No media or outside folks should be allowed to hear stories about a practice let alone watch one! This would have never happened under LHOFHCBS. #FireKlieman

https://twitter.com/arnegreen/status/1158406708504485888?s=19
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on August 05, 2019, 12:48:01 PM
is that music i hear? you know who else allowed music at kstate football practices?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: manpow5 on August 05, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
What's next? A power towel?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on August 05, 2019, 01:48:43 PM
can't wait to see Kli in a cowboy hat at one of the post game press conferences
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on August 05, 2019, 02:03:34 PM
does Klieman think releasing injury info at pressers is going to HELP us win?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on August 06, 2019, 12:01:44 PM
Look at that sexy futbol stade :love:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on August 06, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
how many d1 coaches do you think wear shorts during games? is that the level of professionalism we're willing to accept from our head ball coach? stay tuned, cat fans...
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: manpow5 on August 19, 2019, 06:30:34 PM
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1163530030124810240?s=19

As long as we don't have to do the whole bend don't break crap, I don't care.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on August 20, 2019, 02:53:52 AM
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'taterblast

is that music i hear? you know who else allowed music at kstate football practices?

Tater, Tater, Tatter, the list below includes several "decent"  :lol:teams who use music during their practices too.

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"I go through a practice without music and I think that's really weird," Wisconsin coach Gary Andersen.

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assistant coach at Georgia Tech, Penn State coach Bill O'Brien says teams need to practice with this tempo in practice and with the distractions of a glass-shattering crowd. Proponents believe fast-paced music offers a solution for both, while also being viewed as a morale booster.

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Hazell is one of the many believers in music in the Big Ten Conference, along with O'Brien, Andersen, Illinois coach Tim Beckman, Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio and Indiana coach Kevin Wilson.
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Teams such as Wyoming, Oregon, Utah, UCLA, Arizona and Louisiana-Lafayette also use the tempo system,

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Louisiana-Lafayette coach Mark Hudspeth -- Music isn't always a panacea for uninspired football or a catalyst for communication. The song, like any college football player, must rise to the occasion.

"We tried country one practice, but we had to start practice over," Hudspeth says. "It didn't resonate, even for the guys who like country."
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on September 02, 2019, 07:03:29 PM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
No catpak thing either on the way back into the locker room. Millennials smdh.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: _33 on September 02, 2019, 08:01:53 PM
My sources tell me it says "FAMILY" on the handle of the sledgehammer. So his job may be safe for the time being.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 02, 2019, 08:16:27 PM
players were seen on the field with dreads and non white socks.  Won’t be long before the entire program is cancerous and unrecognizable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 02, 2019, 10:09:11 PM
If you're not a fan of the mangy bobcat, that is still on the sideline
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KSURFC8 on September 03, 2019, 08:58:07 AM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.

If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on September 03, 2019, 09:06:33 AM
A Sean Snyder coached team wouldn't have missed that FG
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on September 03, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.

If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.

This program was built on the mantra of "No I in team" and the 16 goals. After Saturday I'm feeling more like it's "There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game. Did you hear the pregame music?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KSURFC8 on September 03, 2019, 12:05:41 PM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.

If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.

This program was built on the mantra of "No I in team" and the 16 goals. After Saturday I'm feeling more like it's "There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game. Did you hear the pregame music?

No but I think that was more because of either ESPN+ not providing me the opportunity, me not listening for it or a combination of both.
My personal opinion is that (a) you wish that HCBS was still HC and would therefore find any reason to hate his replacement and (b) our team for the last couple of seasons was not very good. Yesterday's team, with basically the same players as at least last year's performed way better than they did last year (I concede it was one game) so I'm thinking I really don't GAF about what music, if any, is played when the team departs the locker room or whether or not they carry some hand painted block of wood with them.

They can all stroll out at a leisurely walk and if they continue to win like they did yesterday, I'm good with that.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on September 03, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
your getting trolled hard, no one liked the block of wood except mitch holtus
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on September 03, 2019, 12:34:31 PM
"There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game

lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on September 03, 2019, 12:44:02 PM
your getting trolled hard, no one liked the block of wood except mitch holtus
I wish you'd have waited a few more posts to let the cat out of the bag.

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on September 03, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
I don't believe I saw the "FAMILY" block when the team ran out on Saturday. What I did see was Coach Klieman taking all the attention away from the players as they ran out of the tunnel. Very large ego, if you ask me.

If you've noticed, no one really is asking you.

This program was built on the mantra of "No I in team" and the 16 goals. After Saturday I'm feeling more like it's "There's definitely an I in Klieman" and the 16 bowls they smoked after the game. Did you hear the pregame music?

No but I think that was more because of either ESPN+ not providing me the opportunity, me not listening for it or a combination of both.
My personal opinion is that (a) you wish that HCBS was still HC and would therefore find any reason to hate his replacement and (b) our team for the last couple of seasons was not very good. Yesterday's team, with basically the same players as at least last year's performed way better than they did last year (I concede it was one game) so I'm thinking I really don't GAF about what music, if any, is played when the team departs the locker room or whether or not they carry some hand painted block of wood with them.

They can all stroll out at a leisurely walk and if they continue to win like they did yesterday, I'm good with that.

Okay this Saturday you can meet me in Section 17 Row 34 to explain to my 3 year old child what the person on the loud speaker means when they say "F..." and the rest of the word is edited out.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on September 03, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
Okay this Saturday you can meet me in Section 17 Row 34 to explain to my 3 year old child what the person on the loud speaker means when they say "F..." and the rest of the word is edited out.
:sdeek: Goodness. What music did they play? Old school gangsta rap? I was not there, nor could I hear through ESPN+, please share a playlist or an approximate description (edited to G-rated, of course!).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on September 10, 2019, 07:20:19 AM
Okay this Saturday you can meet me in Section 17 Row 34 to explain to my 3 year old child what the person on the loud speaker means when they say "F..." and the rest of the word is edited out.
:sdeek: Goodness. What music did they play? Old school gangsta rap? I was not there, nor could I hear through ESPN+, please share a playlist or an approximate description (edited to G-rated, of course!).

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3hm9fYbZUyi6VeuV3E71jo?si=0rhhE8O9Q563eo5Aq0VghQ

i guess we're trying to be Miami now. what's next, a turnover chain?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on September 10, 2019, 08:17:25 AM
we have a turnover sledge hammer

pound the stone to purple
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 01, 2019, 08:40:57 PM
https://twitter.com/jwholcombe3/status/1179209016003698688?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: _33 on October 01, 2019, 08:50:44 PM
For some reason I don't care about this.  Even with my longstanding history of loving backup QB's.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2019, 08:56:27 PM
I’m sure Howard will be the guy after Sky. I thought it was weird that walk on qb got the snap to take it to half vs miss st instead of him. Hope he kills it wherever he goes.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 01, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly). 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 01, 2019, 09:35:19 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly).

holcombe redshirted last season so that doesn't apply here. which makes it confusing. he's going to have to sit out his sophomore year with a chance to start somewhere as a junior, which is when he would have been in line to take over for thompson.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 01, 2019, 09:38:38 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly).

holcombe redshirted last season so that doesn't apply here. which makes it confusing. he's going to have to sit out his sophomore year with a chance to start somewhere as a junior, which is when he would have been in line to take over for thompson.

@mocat get in here

This either sounds like he a huge dumbass or something else is going on.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2019, 09:44:51 PM
I don’t think this year will count. It will be like he never played, right?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 01, 2019, 09:46:28 PM
This new transfer/redshirt rule is going to make coaches pucker between weeks 4 and 5 (if I understand the rules correctly).

holcombe redshirted last season so that doesn't apply here. which makes it confusing. he's going to have to sit out his sophomore year with a chance to start somewhere as a junior, which is when he would have been in line to take over for thompson.

Seems like a candidate to play JUCO instead of sitting out.  I suppose the prospect of playing TE the rest of the year was enough to peace out before the season though.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2019, 01:42:17 AM
I don’t think this year will count. It will be like he never played, right?

It counts, you don't get two redshirt seasons. He can play next season if he goes FCS. If he plays FBS the next time he sees the field he will be a redshirt junior.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2019, 05:49:40 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on October 05, 2019, 05:17:56 AM
NOW, lets see if Holcombe II can even be on the same planet matching this.   


 
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Tim McManusESPN Staff Writer

PHILADELPHIA -- Safety Malcolm Jenkins was asked for a favorite memory of running back Darren Sproles, and instead offered a striking thought.

"Every time I think about Darren, it's really one thing that constantly pops into my head," Jenkins said of his Philadelphia Eagles teammate. "He makes you reconsider if you want to be great."

He makes you reconsider if you want to be great.

Jenkins has seen Sproles' meticulous approach up close for nine years now -- first as his teammate with the New Orleans Saints and now in Philadelphia. He knows how hard Sproles trains. How he takes care of his body. How he always goes full speed at practice, even at age 36. That he habitually finishes every rep, not stopping until he's in the end zone. That he has done this day after day, year after year, without complaint. Jenkins, like most who have come into contact with Sproles, marvels.

PHILADELPHIA -- Safety Malcolm Jenkins was asked for a favorite memory of running back Darren Sproles, and instead offered a striking thought.

"Every time I think about Darren, it's really one thing that constantly pops into my head," Jenkins said of his Philadelphia Eagles teammate. "He makes you reconsider if you want to be great."

He makes you reconsider if you want to be great.

"Not many people can emulate that, which is why he is where he is," Jenkins said.

Sproles is closer to history, needing 35 yards against the Green Bay Packers on Thursday (8:20 p.m. ET, Fox) to move into fifth place all-time in NFL all-purpose yards, jumping over Tim Brown (19,682) and into the company of Jerry Rice (23,546), Brian Mitchell (23,330), Walter Payton (21,803) and Emmitt Smith (21,564).

Olathe North principal and former running backs coach Jason Herman: "Darren was so fast that they said, 'You have to run between the tackles.' If he ran a sweep, he was gone. There was nothing anyone could do about it so they said he had to stay between the tackles to make the game more fair. Well, that didn't work."

Wier: "The infamous one was his daddy, the first time he ever scored a touchdown, his daddy just reamed him because he spiked the ball. He was in like second or third grade and his dad got after him, and he never did that again.

Of note, Sproles' nine career return touchdowns (seven punt returns, two kick returns) are tied for sixth most in NFL history.

Smith: "His senior year, we begged him to come back and he did. We're playing Louisiana early in the season, and Darren runs for like 250 in the game, has some unbelievable numbers, but he fumbled twice. We go in Sunday morning to grade the film -- our staff room overlooked the stadium -- and we just see this guy out there running. Running plays by himself with a ball in his hand. It was Darren. Here's our best player, our All-American, our guy. He knows he's going pro, but just to see him take that part of his game so serious. And what he did is he took the game script out there and ran every play over, and just was carrying the ball, making moves on air. I don't want to make it sound like a movie but it's true, man. The dude was unbelievable. I tell people I've been fortunate to coach a lot of unbelievable players, but by far the best player I've ever coached was Darren."


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Longtime trainer Todd Durkin: "When I think of Darren, I think way back to the days of LaDainian Tomlinson, when LT took Darren under his wing, brought him into the gym. Those two training together was like watching Ali and Frazier train together, man. My first impression is, 'Does this guy really play in the NFL?' He looks like a high school kid. And then when I saw him start to move, I'm like, 'My goodness. I thought LT had fast feet.' This guy had the quickest feet I've ever seen in my life."

Durkin: "I remember Darren specifically in a workout with LT, a future Hall of Famer, a guy like Drew, who had won a Super Bowl, and guys like Peanut Tillman, and Sprolsey just setting the tone in that workout. It got raised to an epic, iconic level on all aspects. Work, sweat, intensity, energy. I remember the music pumping. I didn't want that session to end because I knew someday the magic in that room was going to end. And it was Darren that set the tone.

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"No one else sees, day in and day out, every single day of the week from February through July, the sacrifice that guy makes to be one of the best all-time. I've been able to see that for 10 years, and it's not a surprise to me that when he gets this mark ... it's not a mistake. It's not something that a 5-6, 190-pound guy just stumbled across success on this. It's truly a testament to his character, his work ethic, his determination, his sacrifice, his everything. It's who Darren Sproles is."

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Rookie running back Miles Sanders: "That's my dog, man. That's the OG. I told him the first day I met him, I told him, 'For real, you've got all the respect out of me. Being your size, the position that we play in this league, and for you to be here for 15 years, I told him you've got all the respect out of me. I'm in his ear every day, asking him questions, how he thinks on certain runs and certain looks, basically just picking his brain."

Jenkins: "I feel like the last few years, especially with some of the injuries, he's contemplated whether he wants to hang up the cleats or not, I think it's kind of been a year-to-year thing, but I feel like I know him enough to know he can still do it, and he's got something about him that wants to go out with a bang. So it's not surprising for me to see how he's performing this season for us, and I have a feeling this is going to be a special year."

Only 15 players in NFL history standing 5-foot-6 or smaller have reached 1,000 all-purpose yards. No. 2 in that category, Buddy Young (1947-55), finished with 9,593 yards – more than 10,000 less than Sproles. History will judge him not on size but production, and will find in that respect, he stood shoulder to shoulder with Hall of Famers.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 05, 2019, 09:29:55 AM
Can you tldnr that?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on October 05, 2019, 10:35:04 AM
Can you tldnr that?
Sproles busts ass, it pays off, super stud
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2019, 11:10:50 AM
Kinda annoying that they begged Sproles to come back for that crap 2004 season
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 05, 2019, 12:03:19 PM
Can you tldnr that?
Sproles busts ass, it pays off, super stud

TY!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 05, 2019, 12:04:48 PM
How come when I bust ass, my teammates get pissed? :confused:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 05, 2019, 05:14:02 PM
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Super PurpleCat on October 05, 2019, 05:19:09 PM
Keep sawing stone, pounding wood.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2019, 05:49:22 PM
What the eff does that Sproles stuff have to do with John Holcombe?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 06, 2019, 12:05:08 PM
I think the implication is when we can Kli we will hire proven winner Sproles and he won’t drive good recruits away because his face doesn’t look like shaved ham
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 06, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
I think the implication is when we can Kli we will hire proven winner Sproles and he won’t drive good recruits away because his face doesn’t look like shaved ham

You and I know this overblown pig snout wasn't worth a 7 time raise from MV coaching salary. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2019, 12:00:10 AM
#CANHAM
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on October 07, 2019, 05:03:33 AM
Is tater gone yet?

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 07, 2019, 12:21:00 PM
nope, CAN KLIEMAN.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catbacker 73 on October 07, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
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PurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement

Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.

But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 07, 2019, 03:59:35 PM
Quote
PurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement

Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.

But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

Did we give Snyder a 700% raise to come here?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Church Creeper on October 07, 2019, 05:10:54 PM
Probably
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 07, 2019, 06:32:40 PM
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PurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement

Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.

But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

Did we give Snyder a 700% raise to come here?

Guess I was wrong.  When he was hired I had heard around $2.1 mil, but just googled and see that that eff head is making $3.5 mil.  :surprised:

P.S.  That over 1000%!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2019, 09:31:08 PM
His contract stipulates he has to pay to replace any dang stones damaged as a result of getting pounded. It adds up.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 07, 2019, 09:44:04 PM
If it's just damaged stones, he's one lucky ham.   :cheers: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 08, 2019, 10:10:16 AM
Can his ass now so the snyders have the bye week to get their stuff installed.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on November 24, 2020, 03:49:40 PM
 :peek:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 24, 2020, 04:04:38 PM
 :ohno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 24, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
I'm still being patient because this is a new age of college football w/ transfers and roster turnover, but something just doesn't feel right.

Snyder didn't leave much, but it's hard to turnover a roster or build a program when everyone you bring in is leaving.

Glad I don't care as much this year or I'd probably be an idiot about it all.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on November 24, 2020, 05:43:55 PM
I'm still being patient because this is a new age of college football w/ transfers and roster turnover, but something just doesn't feel right.

Snyder didn't leave much, but it's hard to turnover a roster or build a program when everyone you bring in is leaving.

Glad I don't care as much this year or I'd probably be an idiot about it all.
Between covid and losing Thompson, I can let go of the losses pretty quickly. Am concerned about transfers.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
Luckily for coach Kli, this is the only season a KSU coach can get away with losing to ISU.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on November 25, 2020, 01:00:47 PM
I chalk some of the transfers to the program being so behind in recruiting last year when he came on.  My optimistic take is he probably to take some guys that weren't a great fit or talented to fill some holes and so they're getting recruited over some.  Add in COVID chaos and it makes for a crazy transfer year.  If it continues after this season, I'll get concerned but right now I'm not worried.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on November 28, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
Quote
PurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement

Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.

But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

Uh... I'm not seeing where I said this, and I certainly didn't say this last year with any sincerity.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on November 28, 2020, 09:35:06 PM
i, reluctantly, must come down in favor of firing kliesman.  getting out adjusted by the baylor coach shows he's just not ready for the big 12, imo.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 28, 2020, 09:35:42 PM
He’s absolutely headscratchingly dogshit at times.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 09:36:07 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2020, 09:37:33 PM
We are stuck with him, firing him isn’t viable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2020, 09:39:27 PM
Snow Prince needs to go!  Hey hey ho ho! Snow Prince needs to go!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 28, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
Does he have the balls to make staff changes?

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
Does he have the balls to make staff changes?

I doubt he'll be allowed to in a pandemic. But the aw shucks bullshit has to stop.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2020, 10:47:18 PM
Does he have the balls to make staff changes?

I doubt he'll be allowed to in a pandemic. But the aw shucks bullshit has to stop.

Mess getting thrown under the bus!

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1332907491513036800
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on November 28, 2020, 11:37:27 PM
Good


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on November 29, 2020, 12:06:22 AM
Would be very encouraging.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on November 29, 2020, 08:55:56 AM
Chris Kleiman has probably learned a lot this year. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on November 29, 2020, 09:42:23 AM
Got absolutely pantsed yesterday


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2020, 12:12:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1333085658030727172
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on November 30, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
Quote
PurpleOil
It's time to start discussing a Klieman replacement

Too bad none of you ignorant hay eaters remember how long it took for HOFHCBS to install his system.

But then Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

Uh... I'm not seeing where I said this, and I certainly didn't say this last year with any sincerity.

Okay, I found where I did say this, and can now completely say with 100% certainty, that I didn't mean it then. However...


... I understand that this year has been a very bad combination of Covid, QB injuries, and transfers. But if his 3rd season is anything like the second half of this one, I think it's perfectly reasonable to question giving him a 4th.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cas4ksu on December 01, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
we can't CAN Klieman unless we CAN GENE FIRST!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on December 01, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
Two cheeks of the same ass.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2020, 12:37:48 PM
The cheeks must be separated.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MadCat on December 01, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
#clapthecheeks  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KSNimrod on December 01, 2020, 02:41:46 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas??  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KST8FAN on December 01, 2020, 03:26:52 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas??  :dunno:
Ben Leber


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on December 01, 2020, 03:34:03 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas??  :dunno:

I really liked The Secret Files of Dakota King book series as a kid.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Woogy on December 01, 2020, 03:36:37 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas??  :dunno:

We talking the HBO series "Deadwood" or Hitchcock's "North by Northwest"?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MadCat on December 01, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
Dances with Wolves?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on December 01, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
Dances with Wolves?

I thought that took place in Kansas and Colorado.

Edit: Took place there, but was filmed in South Dakota and Wyoming.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 07:51:16 AM
Jeff Boschee was from ND.  :tsc:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on December 02, 2020, 08:09:11 AM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas??  :dunno:
Brock Lesnar, Gary Johnson, and Bob Barker.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KSNimrod on December 02, 2020, 08:29:11 AM
Thanks guys!  I really feel like I've been missing out on some cultural gems from up north.  What a world...
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on December 02, 2020, 08:53:06 AM
Have you guys been to the Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD? It’s a real treat.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 02, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
Have you guys been to the Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD? It’s a real treat.

It’s amazing how many of these types of references I get solely because I watched reruns of Road Rules when I was 11.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 10:58:59 AM
Have you guys been to the Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD? It’s a real treat.

YES! And, I know where in the world Wall Drug is.  :don'tcare:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 02, 2020, 11:24:19 AM
BAck to canning his ass.  I have noticed that now that team Mole have shifted from "fire the WR coach" to "Fire messingham and colin klein and the WR coach to now "Fire the defemsive coordinator and well basically everyone but Malone now that I think of it"

If the entire staff sucks this bad, maybe the HC does too. 

Also, covid is not an excuse.  It never has been and it just makes you look dumn
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
the head coach hired the shitty staff, at the very least he should be canned for hiring a shitty staff and more likely he should be prosecuted for criminal actions
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2020, 12:06:29 PM
The staff is just fine.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2020, 12:14:12 PM
The staff is just fine.

yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on December 02, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
The staff is just fine.

yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.

Agree, but I also thought Prince needed a full 4 years...

not comparing CK to RP, just in general it's not fair to fire CFB coaches after less than 4
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 02, 2020, 01:06:52 PM
So other than one movie, a national monument and like EVERY Midwesterner's name for their stupid husky dog kid... has anything good ever come from the Dakotas??  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
The staff is just fine.

yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.

Agree, but I also thought Prince needed a full 4 years...

not comparing CK to RP, just in general it's not fair to fire CFB coaches after less than 4

for sure - RP's cultural/abuse issues aside, i think he was pretty much told he needed to win in year three which led to that ridiculous class of nothing but juco's and really hurt the program for the long term.

Prince might have done it anyway but I agree outside of abuse/massive coaching turnover every CFB coach deserves 4 years minimum.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on December 02, 2020, 01:43:59 PM
on 10/28/07 the cats were 5-3 with a win over no. 7 texas. prince was 12-9 overall and cats were on track to make a bowl game in both of prince's first two years.

it's amazing how quickly things went to crap in the next calendar year, so much that absolutely no one disagreed with firing him.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ben ji on December 02, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
on 10/28/07 the cats were 5-3 with a win over no. 7 texas. prince was 12-9 overall and cats were on track to make a bowl game in both of prince's first two years.

it's amazing how quickly things went to crap in the next calendar year, so much that absolutely no one disagreed with firing him.

Things were so great that I joined ksufans right around that time and my screen name was "Prince's Jester". I figured it was a great long term name because ole RP would be kicking butt at KSU for years. The wheels came off pretty quick.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 02, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
on 10/28/07 the cats were 5-3 with a win over no. 7 texas. prince was 12-9 overall and cats were on track to make a bowl game in both of prince's first two years.

it's amazing how quickly things went to crap in the next calendar year, so much that absolutely no one disagreed with firing him.
still have a ron prince signed picture of everyone storming the field after that game.  :emawkid:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2020, 02:41:42 PM
Things were so great that I joined ksufans right around that time and my screen name was "Prince's Jester". I figured it was a great long term name because ole RP would be kicking butt at KSU for years. The wheels came off pretty quick.

 :love:
shame yourself or stud thing brag thread, take your pick
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
The staff is just fine.

yep. they aren't worldbeaters but they aren't going to tank the program and they deserve to build a roster based on what they've done to date with the dogshit roster Snyder left them.

Agree, but I also thought Prince needed a full 4 years...

not comparing CK to RP, just in general it's not fair to fire CFB coaches after less than 4

for sure - RP's cultural/abuse issues aside, i think he was pretty much told he needed to win in year three which led to that ridiculous class of nothing but juco's and really hurt the program for the long term.

Prince might have done it anyway but I agree outside of abuse/massive coaching turnover every CFB coach deserves 4 years minimum.

And he got the win now directive because of the things that swirled around him, most of it his own doing, but some of the scrutiny was unfair.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on December 02, 2020, 07:59:13 PM
What was the point of the secret buyout thing that Krause did???


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 08:49:07 PM
What was the point of the secret buyout thing that Krause did???


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It was a secret contract extension, and the reason was that everyone hated Ron's guts and would have been mad at Krause if he made it public.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:20:08 PM
if texas fires their dude, we should fire kleesman and hire him, right?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
if texas fires their dude, we should fire kleesman and hire him, right?

We would never, but I like the idea.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:27:49 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 02:34:56 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?

Without question
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?

of course he could, what kind of a question is that?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:42:21 PM
Could Herman recruit better to K-State than Klieman?

of course he could, what kind of a question is that?

They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
It was funny when the announcers talked up Herman's top ten classes. That should be like bare minimum for Texas.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:49:45 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?

i don't see how that is remotely relevant.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:51:18 PM
I like what he did at Houston!  Not sure if all those players were his recruits tho.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?

i don't see how that is remotely relevant.

You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.

they scored 69 points today.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?

i don't see how that is remotely relevant.

You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.

He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
fun little fact - Messingham was on the same staff as Herman at Iowa State!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?

i don't see how that is remotely relevant.

You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.

He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?

He's gotten fewer and fewer top instate players each year he's been there. He got 3 last year 1 this year. Again, fox showed the graphic, I didn't. I haven't said anything remotely close to controversial.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:25:26 PM
You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.

they scored 69 points today.

Go tell that to orange bloods, I'm sure they're super happy about it. I'm sure they'll also ignore the fact their defense gave up 31 points in three quarters to checks notes, Will Howard.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?

i don't see how that is remotely relevant.

You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.

He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?

He's gotten fewer and fewer top instate players each year he's been there. He got 3 last year 1 this year. Again, fox showed the graphic, I didn't. I haven't said anything remotely close to controversial.
They want to fire him because he can't sign Texas talent. Did you miss the graphic that shows he has one commit out of the top 20 players in Texas right now?

i don't see how that is remotely relevant.

You don't think the fact that he is missing on in state talent when discussing how well he recruits? Okay, cool.

He’s recruited Texas really well in his tenure, surely you can’t be serious?

He's gotten fewer and fewer top instate players each year he's been there. He got 3 last year 1 this year. Again, fox showed the graphic, I didn't. I haven't said anything remotely close to controversial.

He had two decommit this year late because it’s become clear they are going to fire him...
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:32:29 PM
And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.

I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Maybe we can get Gus? I suppose he's safe, you never know with those crazy Auburn fans.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 03:35:11 PM
Maybe we can get Gus? I suppose he's safe, you never know with those crazy Auburn fans.

take another swing at BV
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
Maybe we can get Gus? I suppose he's safe, you never know with those crazy Auburn fans.

take another swing at BV
Sure!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.

I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.

If you think Tom Herman failed at Texas due to lack of on field talent I just don’t even know what to say
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.

I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.

If you think Tom Herman failed at Texas due to lack of on field talent I just don’t even know what to say

I didn't say that. I'm not pretending to be familiar enough with their roster to know one way or another. I know Gus and Joel pointed out he's struggling to land the top in state talent and used a pretty pointed black & white fact to drive it home. I heard another person with seemingly a greater working knowledge of their roster than I do say after this season the job will be a rebuild.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 03:57:09 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:09:20 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
To clarify, I meant four years starting next year. I'm guessing some would be ready after only one or two more seasons.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:21:49 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 04:23:02 PM
If he wins a ship here I will be stunned. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
If he wins a ship here I will be stunned. 

Just about any CFB coach that sticks at one place for 10 years gets one or get super close. If he builds a roster he'll definitely get close.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 05, 2020, 05:51:39 PM
i could see him getting within 1 or 2 games...if that would count as 'close'. maybe i'm being too pessimistic.

He really can't have too many more of these blowouts to non-top 10 teams.  that crap is demoralizing.
 roster retention will be interesting to watch as well.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 06:40:47 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

The only P5 coach that has been at one school for 10+ years and hasn't won a conference title is Cutcliffe at Duke. And he lost to a national champion in an ACC title game!

also interesting that there are zero coaches hired in 2012 that are still at that school.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

The only P5 coach that has been at one school for 10+ years and hasn't won a conference title is Cutcliffe at Duke. And he lost to a national champion in an ACC title game!

also interesting that there are zero coaches hired in 2012 that are still at that school.
They get compensated well for the scrutiny, but it is a tough gig. If you do well, the fans typically develop a tolerance to the win total and it takes more to satisfy. Once the junk loses potency, they want to move on to a new dealer.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)

I think oscar minus the roster resets and last place finishes is a good comparo.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 07:48:33 PM
He’s not winning a title here

Maybe a bowl game


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 07:57:56 PM
What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)

I think oscar minus the roster resets and last place finishes is a good comparo.

yeah my main concern is roster retention/turnover/culture buy-in. He clearly wants to build w/ HS guys over long term but can't have attrition years like this one. IIRC last year's transfer portal wasn't as bad as this one, hopefully it's just a fluke year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2020, 08:00:08 PM
Fire him when we have our crap together to upgrade.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
Fire him when we have our crap together to upgrade.

Gonna be a minute
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 08:05:13 PM

Maybe a bowl game

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 08:07:12 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

the causation may flow in the other direction.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 08:08:44 PM
I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

the causation may flow in the other direction.

I know. But in general I think football coaches get fired too quickly.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2020, 01:37:03 PM
we need to build up our war chest
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
I doubt mean Gene even has a war piggybank
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2020, 01:42:47 PM
that's why we need to build it up
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2020, 01:35:58 PM
Gus malzahn is available


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Say no to retreads.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
Say no to retreads.
Also his record the last two years isn't much better than Klieman's TBH

Orgeron has been about the only successful retread I think
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 02:07:49 PM
Say no to retreads.
Also his record the last two years isn't much better than Klieman's TBH

Orgeron has been about the only successful retread I think

Snyder 2.0
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 13, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
Mack Brown is working out so far at UNC.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 02:19:29 PM
David Cutcliffe took Duke to an ACC title game
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 02:27:12 PM
Ok good examples

Why did Texas get rid of Mack tho
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 02:32:31 PM
He had butter teeth
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
I guess Mack lost an average of five games his last four seasons at Texas
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 05:51:45 PM
Say no to retreads.
Also his record the last two years isn't much better than Klieman's TBH

Orgeron has been about the only successful retread I think

Despite the feint arguments for others he's the only one who could even be considered, and he's trending towards Les Miles and Gene Chizik.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2020, 09:03:43 PM
Chizick. Woof


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 11, 2021, 08:45:18 PM
It's time.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 12, 2021, 02:02:53 PM
if you could turn injuries off, klieman would be a top 20 coach
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on September 12, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
if you could turn injuries off, klieman would be a top 20 coach

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 02, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
So many lolz today, but my favorite is his continued lack of offensive tempo or urgency when required.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 05:58:55 PM
Not for anything I saw today, but adding another loss to a conference losing streak isn't great.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 02, 2021, 06:10:36 PM
So many lolz today, but my favorite is his continued lack of offensive tempo or urgency when required.
Yeah, that's a strange one.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
We were down 17, it was always going to take getting an onside to win.  His tempo was fine.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2021, 06:15:51 PM
I don't think we score if we went faster and it's probably more important to score than save time but it's a valid criticism that we aren't able to play faster  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 02, 2021, 06:20:57 PM
I don't think we score if we went faster and it's probably more important to score than save time but it's a valid criticism that we aren't able to play faster  :th_twocents:
Ill be honest though i really only watched the our first drive and then the 8 min mark until the TD before Malik ran it back.  So im probably being overly opinionated on the situation as well.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 02, 2021, 06:24:28 PM
I was all for the FCS champion experiment. But it's getting harder to imagine that his teams are going to be finishing in the top 3/4 of the conference.
 :frown:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
I was all for the FCS champion experiment. But it's getting harder to imagine that his teams are going to be finishing in the top 3/4 of the conference.
 :frown:

If perennial top 4 finishes are the expectation then every coach we hire will fail.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 06:52:24 PM
I mean one would be nice.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 02, 2021, 06:52:56 PM
I'd take finishing in the top third half of the time.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
I mean one would be nice.
Ok I was being stupid.  He finished third in 2019.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 07:06:40 PM
But if we get killed by Iowa State, then he should be in serious trouble to keep his job.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2021, 07:08:43 PM
But if we get killed by Iowa State, then he should be in serious trouble to keep his job.

We will beat ISU, you can take that to the bank.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 02, 2021, 07:08:52 PM
Bad luck that the KU game isn't until November.  He could easily be going into that game already a dead duck.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2021, 07:22:42 PM
 :lol: You guys are so stupid sometimes.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2021, 02:17:15 AM
Chingon knows full well that there is no plausible scenario in which Klieman is a "dead duck" going into the KU game. This thread is hilarious.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 06:24:38 AM
But if we get killed by Iowa State, then he should be in serious trouble to keep his job.

We will beat ISU, you can take that to the bank.

With Boom hurt too, Trussell is now basically a starting DE. ISU is going to be able to successfully run at him all day. Cartez Crook-Jones not panning out hurts. I get its tough when 2 of your 3 rotation DEs get hurt, but this lack of DE depth with size to hold up against the run sucks & will cost us more this year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 03, 2021, 07:22:17 AM
I assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.

His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 07:51:14 AM
the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2021, 07:59:04 AM
the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone

Cincy is more or less as good as OU and BYU appears to be as good or better than UT has been for the last decade.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 03, 2021, 08:06:12 AM
Kind of interesting that even in those seasons when Klieman beats OU, his record still only 5-4, 4-5.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 08:09:56 AM


the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone

Cincy is more or less as good as OU and BYU appears to be as good or better than UT has been for the last decade.

Yeah I guess I hadn't considered Cincy and BYU being peers with OU and Texas when it comes to things like playoff appearances and recruiting.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2021, 08:15:57 AM


the path to winning the conference is gonna be a bit different with OU and Texas gone

Cincy is more or less as good as OU and BYU appears to be as good or better than UT has been for the last decade.

Yeah I guess I hadn't considered Cincy and BYU being peers with OU and Texas when it comes to things like playoff appearances and recruiting.

Same amount of playoff game victories for all four!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 08:17:25 AM
Hell you didn't even mention UCF's national title
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2021, 08:21:07 AM
I took it easy on you and didn’t even mention the sleeping giant that is University of Houston
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2021, 09:42:38 AM
I don't think we score if we went faster and it's probably more important to score than save time but it's a valid criticism that we aren't able to play faster  :th_twocents:
This is exactly how I feel. It’s more important maximizing our chances of scoring vs having 30-40 extra seconds on the clock. All that said, while I haven’t been paying that close of attention this year, our no huddle offense has always seemed severely lacking.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 09:59:30 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
They just need to recruit better
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

I'm certain that if I checked the game thread from last year's game you'd be pissed about the pace when we used the same pace to come back from a 28 point defect, right?

Playing slow is the best option because we don't match talent and you need to limit possessions. It's worked for Kansas State football since 2009. Even if we did play faster I'm not aware of too many college football offenses capable of erasing a 17 point defect in less than 17 minutes. I'm sure you would have been perfectly fine if we sped up on that last drive and committed 2 penalties, whiffed a block to give up a sack because we didn't get into the right play, then had to punt after 5 plays.

Our offensive pace is what it is and 95% of the time it's to our benefit, the moral of the story is don't get down 17 points with 10:00 minutes left.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:06:57 AM
They just need to recruit better

I think they still have a chance long-term if they can get a transfer QB, DE & LB for next year.

I’m interested to see if they adjust & figure out how to have Matlack/FAU taking the majority of DE snaps or slide Hentz outside with Duke & Boom both hurt. If they just keep going with Trussell against ISU because he’s next on the depth chart, Hall is going to run at will. If they keep doing the same thing after 2 weeks because he’s next on the depth chart I’ll be pretty disappointed.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:18:55 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

I'm certain that if I checked the game thread from last year's game you'd be pissed about the pace when we used the same pace to come back from a 28 point defect, right?

Playing slow is the best option because we don't match talent and you need to limit possessions. It's worked for Kansas State football since 2009. Even if we did play faster I'm not aware of too many college football offenses capable of erasing a 17 point defect in less than 17 minutes. I'm sure you would have been perfectly fine if we sped up on that last drive and committed 2 penalties, whiffed a block to give up a sack because we didn't get into the right play, then had to punt after 5 plays.

Our offensive pace is what it is and 95% of the time it's to our benefit, the moral of the story is don't get down 17 points with 10:00 minutes left.

I was pretty angry at a punt in Texas territory last year. (Re-read your post, the angry down 28 triggered me into the Texas game because I was angry at a punt down 28 to Texas last year. I don’t remember how I felt down 28 OU last year because I had a house full of sick family & probably didn’t have many feelings during that game besides exhaustion).

The decision to still go slow down 17 with 10 was conceding the game. I would have much rather had to punt with 8 minutes left trying to come back than plan to kickoff down 10 with 4 minutes left to make the score closer. I really don’t care about the difference between a 6 point loss conceding with 10 minutes left than a 24 point loss trying to make a comeback. Outside of one of the worst onside attempts I’ve ever seen, the last 10 minutes went about as well as it could have with the go slow plan & we still had no shot. If we’re were even halfway competent at going semi-fast we would have been kicking off down 6 with 3-4 minutes left & had a shot to get the ball back.

The deflating thing to me is the coaches have so little confidence in the ability to go fast, after being aggressive the rest of the game to win, that we must be absolute dog crap at it & won’t be able to effectively use it later when it’s needed. If we can’t use it down 17 with 10 we’ll probably fail at it down 7 with 3 minutes left in another game. I guess I can’t think of another coach that’s choose not to be competent at hurry up & everyone just goes “it’s ok, that’s not who we are.”
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 03, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:23:30 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock

They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD”  then executed that plan perfectly.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock

They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD”  then executed that plan perfectly.

why does this seemingly upset you more than the 17 point fourth quarter deficit?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 03, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock

They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD”  then executed that plan perfectly.

Fair point. My only guess is they figured maybe Oklahoma would be aggressive instead of just running it up the middle to burn clock and we could sell out on trying to jump the route on one of those screen passes they were so fond of, but that’s just me guessing. In my heart I want to believe they had some strategy other than “minimize how much we lose by”
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 11:56:43 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock

They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD”  then executed that plan perfectly.

why does this seemingly upset you more than the 17 point fourth quarter deficit?

They were aggressive in every other aspect then conceded with 10 minutes left to keep the score close. That tells me the coaches have them unprepared to go quicker & won’t be able to execute it later when needed. Will everyone still say “that’s just not us” when it goes horrible in a later game down 7 with 3:00 left? We have a 6th year QB & we don’t have a system to call plays from the LOS. We were still starting substitutions with 28 on the play clock & breaking the huddle with 16.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2021, 11:59:31 AM
I have no idea how you justify getting the ball down 17 with 9:49 on the clock & ending up kicking off down 10 with 4:14 left as the plan to execute.

Even if it is, it’s complete incompetence on the coaching staff that the ability to call plays & get to the line faster is so poor that the best option is to go slow. It being the right decision because you suck so bad at doing the standard play calling method for most other teams actually makes Klieman/Mess worse coaches.

Obviously what I’m about to say is an unknowable thing, but I feel fairly certain that had were recovered the onside kick we would have been going at a much faster pace the last 1:12 or whatever was left on the clock

They would have. I’m angry they gave up with 10 minutes left. And no, “we were an onside kick recovery away with 1:12” does not justify it. With 10 minutes left Klieman wasn’t thinking “our best shot it to kick off with 4 minutes down 10, hold them to a FG, get a penalty to push them back on the kickoff, & return it for a TD”  then executed that plan perfectly.

why does this seemingly upset you more than the 17 point fourth quarter deficit?

They were aggressive in every other aspect then conceded with 10 minutes left to keep the score close. That tells me the coaches have them unprepared to go quicker & won’t be able to execute it later when needed. Will everyone still say “that’s just not us” when it goes horrible in a later game down 7 with 3:00 left? We have a 6th year QB we don’t have a system to all plays from the LOS. We were still starting substitutions with 28 on the play clock & breaking the huddle with 16.

the 17 point deficit still seems worse :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
OU is better than us. I’m not happy about that either. But having a super aggressive mindset & still having so little confidence in your preparation in a mode we’ll probably need later against similarly talented teams is worse to me.

It’s not just they didn’t, it’s that it appears they can’t & everyone is just like “oh well, that’s just not us”. Being a P5 program & not being able to do something that’s football 301 level is baffling to me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Low T. Sad!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on October 03, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
Yet another loss. Will Klieman survive this losing streak? Shades of 2008
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 03, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
If we lose to ISU and KU, you can bet fans will have fire sticks to chase Kieman out of town.  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: slackcat on October 03, 2021, 03:59:27 PM
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I assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.

His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.

Chum's right. 

He's a damned good 7-5 coach if the current pace is kept up. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2021, 04:21:09 PM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.

I’d say this season & next both 6-6 with DL injuries making it difficult for us to stop good run teams this year & unknown QB situation bogging down next year.  If guys like Krew Jackson & Pritchard develop as LBs the following seasons in the new Big12 could be better.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2021, 09:24:21 PM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.


Back to the last conversation, if you think the team playing the same pace they always play constitutes giving up, there is nothing anyone in the world can say that would convince you otherwise, so have at it, I guess.

The point you're trying to make on this post I don't understand like at all. Are you projecting the first five years & saying we shouldn't be happy with 34-26 the first five years of a coaching tenure?

That would easily be the best 5 year start in any coaching tenure for any coach in K-State football history. There are literally less than 8 schools in the country who would fire a coach with a run like that to start their tenure. You mention Dave Clawson derisively, funny enough that's exactly what Matt Campbell's record was after his first five years. Should that be good enough for Campbell & Pollard to "keep cashing checks?"
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 08:45:29 AM
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I assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.

His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.

Chum's right. 

He's a damned good 7-5 coach if the current pace is kept up.

Yep, he will coach here forever as long as the bottom doesn't completely fall out, which it won't because he is good enough to not let that happen, but not good enough to be anything but average in a major conference.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 08:47:12 AM
 :jerk:

Some of you all are some whiny bitches.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 09:01:02 AM


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I assume his job is extremely safe as long as (1) Gene is here and (2) he's mediocre. There's another question of whether or not he *should* be fired.

His conference records thus far are 5-4, 4-5, and 0-2. I'm starting to get the impression that middle of the pack finishes are going to be the norm for him. And forget about ever actually winning the conference. That's not happening.

Chum's right. 

He's a damned good 7-5 coach if the current pace is kept up.

Yep, he will coach here forever as long as the bottom doesn't completely fall out, which it won't because he is good enough to not let that happen, but not good enough to be anything but average in a major conference.

Discussed earlier in the thread, but if a coach's floor is "bottom not falling out" there will be years that they compete for conference titles over time. Almost inevitably.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2021, 09:08:00 AM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.


Back to the last conversation, if you think the team playing the same pace they always play constitutes giving up, there is nothing anyone in the world can say that would convince you otherwise, so have at it, I guess.

The point you're trying to make on this post I don't understand like at all. Are you projecting the first five years & saying we shouldn't be happy with 34-26 the first five years of a coaching tenure?

That would easily be the best 5 year start in any coaching tenure for any coach in K-State football history. There are literally less than 8 schools in the country who would fire a coach with a run like that to start their tenure. You mention Dave Clawson derisively, funny enough that's exactly what Matt Campbell's record was after his first five years. Should that be good enough for Campbell & Pollard to "keep cashing checks?"

This is what I also don't understand, people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this. Even if anything, what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman, we haven't quite turned the corner of projecting in the right direction, but this is not some hapless team, JFC we lost to (albiet overrated) #6 team in the country and we act like the bottom fell out.

:jerk:

Some of you all are some whiny bitches.

The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
This year plus the next 4 will have 2 seasons 6-6, 2 seasons 7-5 and 1 season 8-4. Basically the last 5 seasons of Dave Clawson Wake Forest. Gene & Klieman keep cashing checks.


Back to the last conversation, if you think the team playing the same pace they always play constitutes giving up, there is nothing anyone in the world can say that would convince you otherwise, so have at it, I guess.

The point you're trying to make on this post I don't understand like at all. Are you projecting the first five years & saying we shouldn't be happy with 34-26 the first five years of a coaching tenure?

That would easily be the best 5 year start in any coaching tenure for any coach in K-State football history. There are literally less than 8 schools in the country who would fire a coach with a run like that to start their tenure. You mention Dave Clawson derisively, funny enough that's exactly what Matt Campbell's record was after his first five years. Should that be good enough for Campbell & Pollard to "keep cashing checks?"

This is what I also don't understand, people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this. Even if anything, what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman, we haven't quite turned the corner of projecting in the right direction, but this is not some hapless team, JFC we lost to (albiet overrated) #6 team in the country and we act like the bottom fell out.

:jerk:

Some of you all are some whiny bitches.

The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.

I don't know that OU is overrated. Is there any team behind them that we could definitively say would be undefeated with OU's schedule at this point?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 09:17:18 AM
The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.

IMO the primary issue since Snyder 2.0 has always been talented depth. First team can compete with about anyone in the league but OU (and can even get them sometimes!), but when injuries inevitably set in we take a big step back.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 09:20:57 AM
Klieman has done pretty well for a guy who inherited a team with no running backs and has gone about 1 of his 2.5 seasons without a starting QB.  He's building depth by playing a lot of guys.  I'd also give him a B or so for his work in the transfer portal.  I think these are structural changes in the program that will pay long-term dividends.  I'm not saying he's a great coach or the answer but definitively calling him a SLTH right now is a guess at best.

I also don't think the team/coaches gave up.  I find it wild that people think they did when they came back from a similar deficit in last year's OU game on the road.  They just didn't execute well on the drive. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 09:22:22 AM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this

Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.

what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman

One comparison is that the recruiting is not improving.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 09:29:24 AM
It literally is improving. His classes overall have been an improvement and the way he utilizes the transfer portal is masterful. But by all means, take job evaluations from our guy, chum, guys. lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this

Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.

what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman

One comparison is that the recruiting is not improving.

prince recruiting fell off a cliff after he ran off all his assistants and featured an absolutely ridiculous Juco class. I think you could argue CK is improving recruiting over Snyder, but even if it's not, it's not getting worse like it did with Prince.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 09:33:50 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 04, 2021, 09:41:48 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!

Yea me too.  It would be enough to disconnect myself from K-State.  Our fans can be really rough ridin' stupid. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2021, 09:41:56 AM
The word, There are issues with this team, but we're acting like we're steps away from ku or some crap.

IMO the primary issue since Snyder 2.0 has always been talented depth. First team can compete with about anyone in the league but OU (and can even get them sometimes!), but when injuries inevitably set in we take a big step back.

That's correct, we are paper thin and only an injury or two away from success or failure.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 09:46:18 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!

Yea me too.  It would be enough to disconnect myself from K-State.  Our fans can be really rough ridin' stupid.
There's a certain part of them out there that wants to be the first ones to say "I told you so!", so they predict mayhem early on. They're quiet for the successes and loud as crap when K-State loses to the #6 team in the nation. It's sad!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 04, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this

Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.
I wouldn't count last year as a season even
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 10:17:52 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!

LOL. I don't want him fired at all and would def give him 3-4 more years, but LOL at him "getting scared off". That is as hilarious as someone "stealing him" from us. He is in a perfect spot where he works for his buddy and can "awe shucks" his way in to the hearts of our fanbase while finishing with a .500 record. He isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 10:20:04 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!

LOL. I don't want him fired at all and would def give him 3-4 more years, but LOL at him "getting scared off". That is as hilarious as someone "stealing him" from us. He is in a perfect spot where he works for his buddy and can "awe shucks" his way in to the hearts of our fanbase while finishing with a .500 record. He isn't going anywhere.
We extended him because some Big 10 schools were calling him, dummy. Other fanbases aren't such simpletons that they think he's going to be the next Prince. They can see around the noise.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on October 04, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
if skylar stays healthy i think 8-4 is still attainable which we would have had at least that record last year had he stayed healthy.  it is troubling that NDSU had several NFL qb's and they can't seem to find anyone serviceable (yet).  kli isn't on the hot seat, and won't be unless rubley flops
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 10:22:29 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!

LOL. I don't want him fired at all and would def give him 3-4 more years, but LOL at him "getting scared off". That is as hilarious as someone "stealing him" from us. He is in a perfect spot where he works for his buddy and can "awe shucks" his way in to the hearts of our fanbase while finishing with a .500 record. He isn't going anywhere.
We extended him because some Big 10 schools were calling him, dummy. Other fanbases aren't such simpletons that they think he's going to be the next Prince. They can see around the noise.

 :ROFL:

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
Rubes! :facepalm:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 04, 2021, 10:49:04 AM
Devils Advocate:

* Prince never lost this many conference games in a row.
* By the end of the year, Klieman's conference record could very comparable to Prince, and he started the year pretty close to the start of Prince's third year.
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Devils Advocate:

* Prince never lost this many conference games in a row.
* By the end of the year, Klieman's conference record could very comparable to Prince, and he started the year pretty close to the start of Prince's third year.
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB

Are you saying we have the oscar of FB?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 10:57:45 AM
 :lol: :lol:

Any job that isn't a bona-fide lateral move, or even a step down is going to have 2x to 3x the expectations that a HFBC faces from the K-State fanbase and covering media.

If it's a major step up, then a coach will face 5x to 8x more expectations than what he faces with K-State Football.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:00:47 AM
Thanks, Madden.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 04, 2021, 11:03:39 AM
If we roll into the KU game without a conference win, I don't think its unreasonable for the fanbase to ask for major changes to the program (including firing the head coach).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:07:01 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 04, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 11:24:09 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up

Yeah, that's not good.  Our schedule has also lined up where we've largely been playing the best teams in the conference over that stretch, mostly with a true freshman backup QB. 

If we roll into the KU game without a conference win, I don't think its unreasonable for the fanbase to ask for major changes to the program (including firing the head coach).

Agree

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:25:20 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up

If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked.  4-5 I’ll be content.  3-6 and I’ll be disappointed.  2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on October 04, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
KU has probably won a conference game since the last time we did :-(
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:29:12 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.

The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter.    :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2021, 11:30:05 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up

If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked.  4-5 I’ll be content.  3-6 and I’ll be disappointed.  2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.

I hope you guys do run off Coach Klansman and then learn that things can get worse, and worse. And worse...
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:31:20 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.

The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter.    :lol: :lol: :lol:
lol. That's what you think is going on? :lol: Retire old man!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.

The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter.    :lol: :lol: :lol:

It could also be the Big 10 peoples that called him. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:33:13 AM
I swear, if our dumb fanbase scares off Kli to another team, I'm going to lose my crap!

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:39:43 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.

The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter.    :lol: :lol: :lol:

It could also be the Big 10 peoples that called him.
:facepalm: Must suck not to know big time donors.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:42:42 AM
Thanks, Madden.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic work today WackyTuck 
We need more FANsplaining from you. Not a lot of us got to move out to the big whole world of Birmingham, AL and we need to know what other fanbases act like. 'Wil ole taters just have no concept of the big world out there, like yourself, Dax! It's unreal, all of your accomplishments.

The WackyTuck meltdown is moving to 11/10 . . . you're literally melting down because you think Kli might leave because of some message board banter.    :lol: :lol: :lol:

It could also be the Big 10 peoples that called him.
:facepalm: Must suck not to know big time donors.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look out, here comes name dropping WackyTuck right on schedule.

While you're hanging out here with us the great unwashed.   You're trying to say our Captains of Industry, some of whom had to or do answer to shareholders and/or some of the richest people in the world are concerned that our football coach is going to leave because some fans (as in a few) say kinda mean things about him on social media and message boards?

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 11:42:46 AM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up

If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked.  4-5 I’ll be content.  3-6 and I’ll be disappointed.  2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.

I hope you guys do run off Coach Klansman and then learn that things can get worse, and worse. And worse...

Gene won’t run him off, so he’s safe.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
Dax, aren't you late to your MAGA rally?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 11:48:51 AM
Dax, aren't you late to your MAGA rally?

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
I think you could argue CK is improving recruiting over Snyder

I'd say he needs to improve recruiting to such an extent that there's no comparison between him and Snyder. Otherwise, I'd expect his future results to be like his past results.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 11:50:35 AM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this

Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.
I wouldn't count last year as a season even

Yes! I don't either.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 12:00:49 PM
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB

There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB

There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
You’re seriously an idiot, Chum. Unfortunately Rubley isn’t ready. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a miss. Sorry if I’m not freaking out about our future when Kli just got the highest rated QB in team history and he has an amazing track record of landing transfers who produce immediately. But please people, continue the freak out. Losing to the #6 team in the nation by 6 has really woke up the dumbasses.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 04, 2021, 12:14:11 PM
I suspect we'll see an upperclassmen transfer at QB to come in and compete at a minimum.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 12:18:43 PM
I suspect we'll see an upperclassmen transfer at QB to come in and compete at a minimum.
These are the options so far. I have no idea about JUCO prospects.


https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TransferPortal/?positionkey=57
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 12:26:14 PM
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB

There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
You’re seriously an idiot, Chum. Unfortunately Rubley isn’t ready. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a miss. Sorry if I’m not freaking out about our future when Kli just got the highest rated QB in team history and he has an amazing track record of landing transfers who produce immediately. But please people, continue the freak out. Losing to the #6 team in the nation by 6 has really woke up the dumbasses.

1. You didn't even come close to addressing what I said.
2. When you make posts like that, it actually does look a lot like you're freaking out about our future.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 12:36:23 PM
Realistically, I think Kliegoober is probably safe until the 2023 season. We'll probably win a few more this year and maybe slide into a crappy bowl game where we will lose.

Next year will be a train wreck unless he lands a grad transfer QB.  We won't have the balls to pull the trigger on firing him next year despite our terrible record that is inevitable (unless Jalen Hurts or equivalent arrives).

However, 2023 will be the 'prove it' year. He can't blame recruiting, Covid, injuries, or whatever else at that point........
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
I certainly think Kli could be deservingly fired in a couple of years, I just don't see anything in our 3-2 start this year that has me getting the ball rolling yet.  3-2 was a very reasonable expectation at this point. 

I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
* We're not always going to have a 4th/5th/6th year QB

There's kind of a funny duality here. A theme in one thread, "Skylar is our savior and we absolutely suck without him!" A theme in another, "the idea that Klieman should be fired in the next couple years is just totally absurd!"
You’re seriously an idiot, Chum. Unfortunately Rubley isn’t ready. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a miss. Sorry if I’m not freaking out about our future when Kli just got the highest rated QB in team history and he has an amazing track record of landing transfers who produce immediately. But please people, continue the freak out. Losing to the #6 team in the nation by 6 has really woke up the dumbasses.

1. You didn't even come close to addressing what I said.
2. When you make posts like that, it actually does look a lot like you're freaking out about our future.
Sky fan boy who predicted he'd see time in the NFL from his day 1 as starter, posted a thread that he was starting (excited), once he found out he was starting?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 12:47:40 PM
I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).

Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2021, 12:49:40 PM
people are trying to throw out their backs reaching on this

Personally, I'd give him 7-8 years. But having this discussion in year 3 is a very realistic these days.

what I want is to avoid any Prince-esque slide, which I simply don't see as of right now from Kileman

One comparison is that the recruiting is not improving.

prince recruiting fell off a cliff after he ran off all his assistants and featured an absolutely ridiculous Juco class. I think you could argue CK is improving recruiting over Snyder, but even if it's not, it's not getting worse like it did with Prince.

And that's the most fair. From a talent standpoint we have a lot of guys who can/do ball out, and under Prince it was increasingly lollers we were regressing. I just fail to see that here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).

Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?

Iowa State theoretically did but Matt Campbell quickly got them back to where they belong
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 04, 2021, 01:15:41 PM
ftr am not even close to irl thinking Klieman needs to be fired
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
I also don't think the team/coaches gave up.  I find it wild that people think they did when they came back from a similar deficit in last year's OU game on the road.  They just didn't execute well on the drive.

It's not even that they didn't execute, they scored! Oklahoma played a damn dime, dropped everybody back and took away the big play, like every coach in the world who has more experience than video games would do. That's what's bizarre about the rant, like what was the alternative, throw a bunch of arm punts in hopes that we catch them and they don't?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2021, 01:32:08 PM
https://twitter.com/RCJGraves/status/1445092455225991193?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2021, 02:04:44 PM
ftr am not even close to irl thinking Klieman needs to be fired

Agree, but it would be cool if he could win a conference game soon!!!!!

He does seem like a really nice guy though and he FOR SURE does things the "right way", so we will prob give him another extension regardless.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 04, 2021, 02:07:32 PM
don't care about "right way" but i legitimately think he is a very good developer of players and culture. just absolutely absolutely needs to recruit better.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 04, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Klienman's record:

Positives
2 - 0 vs P5 in non-con (Wins vs Miss St, Stanford)
3 - 3 vs Top 25 (2 of those losses were without Sky and the 3rd was with him gimpy last weekend)


Neutral
Small increase in recruiting rankings (mid 60s to mid 50s)
1 bowl game (technically 2 but COVID made last year too weird)
.500 ish conference record

Negatives
Embarrassing loss last year to Ark. State
No obvious QB depth

If I was AD I am concerned but by no means ready to fire the guy. 

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
Klienman's record:

Positives
2 - 0 vs P5 in non-con (Wins vs Miss St, Stanford)
3 - 3 vs Top 25 (2 of those losses were without Sky and the 3rd was with him gimpy last weekend)


Neutral
Small increase in recruiting rankings (mid 60s to mid 50s)
1 bowl game (technically 2 but COVID made last year too weird)
.500 ish conference record

Negatives
Embarrassing loss last year to Ark. State
No obvious QB depth

If I was AD I am concerned but by no means ready to fire the guy.

The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 03:06:12 PM
He will get to complete the 2023 season which is a reasonable 5 year window.  I imagine he will get an extension in the off-season barring a complete meltdown to end this year. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 04, 2021, 03:20:58 PM
Klienman's record:

Positives
2 - 0 vs P5 in non-con (Wins vs Miss St, Stanford)
3 - 3 vs Top 25 (2 of those losses were without Sky and the 3rd was with him gimpy last weekend)


Neutral
Small increase in recruiting rankings (mid 60s to mid 50s)
1 bowl game (technically 2 but COVID made last year too weird)
.500 ish conference record

Negatives
Embarrassing loss last year to Ark. State
No obvious QB depth

If I was AD I am concerned but by no means ready to fire the guy.

The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.

You would have fired Snyder in 1992. 
 :billdance: :billdance: :billdance:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 03:22:08 PM
The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.

who are some of our peer schools who had coaches consistently competing for conference titles by year 3? Like what programs should we be emulating?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 03:32:44 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 03:34:31 PM
I wouldn't put QB depth on Kli.  He inherited a roster with a JR and SR.  He's getting the advantage of a third year of the JR but also has a highly rated Freshman on the roster (that didn't play football at any level last year due to COVID).  I don't know that the answer for a strong next season is on the roster (hoping for a grad transfer or JUCO) but I do think Rubley can reasonably be expected to be the QB of the future.

The fact that a .500ish conference record and a marginal increase in recruiting (which says nothing when Snyder 2.0 was perhaps the worst P5 recruiter in the game) is 'neutral' shows how low the bar is here. I wish folks around here cared about the performance on the field as much as they do about our damn facilities. eff the indoor practice field. Take that $20mln and find me a legit coach who wants to win conference championships and is serious about it.

who are some of our peer schools who had coaches consistently competing for conference titles by year 3? Like what programs should we be emulating?

I am curious about this as well.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2021, 03:50:23 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 04:04:51 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.

Campbell 5 years.  Briles 5 years. 6 years Gundy.  We better give this Klieman dude more time it appears.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2021, 04:11:02 PM
Briles or Gundy level teams would be great. No thanks on Campbell. That's basically what we've already got.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 04:11:03 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?
Try hard factor:  10/10
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.

Campbell 5 years.  Briles 5 years. 6 years Gundy.  We better give this Klieman dude more time it appears.

were any of those coaches over .500 in conference before that season? Campbell was close but I don't want to do the math.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2021, 04:21:30 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?
Try hard factor:  10/10

Have fun factor: 0/10
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 04:30:05 PM
7 straight conference losses has me mumped up

If we go 5-4 to finish conference play I’ll be stoked.  4-5 I’ll be content.  3-6 and I’ll be disappointed.  2-7 and I’ll probably be ready to move on from the Klieman experiment.

I hope you guys do run off Coach Klansman and then learn that things can get worse, and worse. And worse...

Gene won’t run him off, so he’s safe.

Neither will the fans
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 04:33:24 PM
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.

While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.

As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.

Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.

Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.

There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.







Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Matt Ruhle's Baylor the only B12 example I can think of. Kind of a strange situation there.

Campbell 5 years.  Briles 5 years. 6 years Gundy.  We better give this Klieman dude more time it appears.

were any of those coaches over .500 in conference before that season? Campbell was close but I don't want to do the math.

Briles .400, gundy .475 Campbell .500
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 04:35:46 PM
I just want to know who abbreviates million as mln. when talking about money (or anything, really). Are you like from New Zealand or something? Are you a commie? What gives?
Try hard factor:  10/10

Have fun factor: 0/10

 :dunno:

Maybe b/c the company I work for is European. Force of habit....
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 04:36:59 PM
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.

While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.

As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.

Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.

Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.

There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.

Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
Kliegoober
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 04, 2021, 04:51:44 PM
oh dang i was reading it at booger not goober
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on October 04, 2021, 04:53:46 PM
purple apathy needs to enroll in the sonofdaxjones school of weird nicknames
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 05:02:08 PM
RP wishes a lot of you people felt this way 13 years ago.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 04, 2021, 05:02:23 PM
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.

While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.

As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.

Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.

Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.

There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.

Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.

Fair point, but the Big XII was bad enough that year where 5-4 got you third as opposed to 6-3 like Campbell. Campbell finished behind #4 Oklahoma and #9 Texas and tied with #20 WVU.

In Kliegoober's first year, there was a 4-way tie for third place behind a #7 Oklahoma and #13 Baylor. Texas was the highest rated 3rd place finisher at #25.

Why settle for first when a 4-way tie for third is available.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2021, 05:07:09 PM
Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.

While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.

As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.

Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.

Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.

There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.

Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.

Fair point, but the Big XII was bad enough that year where 5-4 got you third as opposed to 6-3 like Campbell. Campbell finished behind #4 Oklahoma and #9 Texas and tied with #20 WVU.

In Kliegoober's first year, there was a 4-way tie for third place behind a #7 Oklahoma and #13 Baylor. Texas was the highest rated 3rd place finisher at #25.

Why settle for first when a 4-way tie for third is available.
LOL come on dude
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.

A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.

I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).

Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?

Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 05:14:00 PM
RP wishes a lot of you people felt this way 13 years ago.

Even Campbell led ISU to a 3rd place finish (tie) in the conference his third year at the helm. I'm not advocating we want to be ISU at all, but simply pointing out his team finished in the top third of the conference.

While Gundy didn't compete for a conference championship until his fifth year (finishing second in South division at 6-2 and overall record of 9-4), he showed steady progression each year.

As pointed out, Rhule finished second in the conference his third year and he inherited a disaster.

Looking outside our conference, PJ Fleck finished second in the BIG 10 his third year at Minnesota. Certainly not a blue blood program there.

Hell, even Mack Brown had the Tarheels in the Orange Bowl last year and finished up 7-3 in the conference and that was his second year.

There are plenty of examples of coaches getting there teams in the running for a conference championship in under half a decade.......I don't know why we think Kliegoober needs 5-6 years to play some meaningful games in November.

Kileman did it in his first, you dumb sonofabitch! Also are you 7 years old? Stop typing Kliegoober, it doesn't make sense and it isn't remotely clever.

Fair point, but the Big XII was bad enough that year where 5-4 got you third as opposed to 6-3 like Campbell. Campbell finished behind #4 Oklahoma and #9 Texas and tied with #20 WVU.

In Kliegoober's first year, there was a 4-way tie for third place behind a #7 Oklahoma and #13 Baylor. Texas was the highest rated 3rd place finisher at #25.

Why settle for first when a 4-way tie for third is available.



lol, right on cue. Thanks boys.
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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 05:22:20 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.

A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.

I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).

Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?

Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.

Reconcile the arguments that COVID completely mumped over the 'cats with that the 'cats are currently getting mumped over by not having a healthy Skolar.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.

A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.

I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).

Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?

Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.

Reconcile the arguments that COVID completely mumped over the 'cats with that the 'cats are currently getting mumped over by not having a healthy Skolar.

I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.

If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 04, 2021, 06:08:31 PM
I think Purple Apathy is ridiculous but I also wonder how much of the piss and vinegar this place has lost over time.

A ton, but what happens now seems so incredibly forced and performative. It's tough to have a legit conversation about pros and cons because some of the "critiques" are just absolutely ridiculous. Like look at this, how can anyone not think this is even a real thing.

I also don't blame Kli for being pretty dependant on the only QB on the roster he inherited at this point (granted he is fortunate to still have him on the roster at this point).

Did Fh actually benefit from the COVID season/circumstance perhaps more so than any other coach/program?

Hamburglar is a great poster, legit great, but what the hell was that on Sunday morning? Mad about the pace? Even when it turned out to have absolutely no bearing on the outcome? We've definitely lost our fastball, I think the program being generally vanilla is a cause of that, but man, when we try to force the zeal, it looks sad, like Shaq out there with the Cavs old, fat, and rich.

Reconcile the arguments that COVID completely mumped over the 'cats with that the 'cats are currently getting mumped over by not having a healthy Skolar.

I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.

If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?

After watching the guys we put out there when Sky was hurt and then seeing the team again with a gimpy Skylar, I don't think this is a big stretch tbh
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.

If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?

I know you haven't made that argument, but the post of mine you quoted was about those arguments.  I absolutely don't think KSU got mumped by COVID and to any extent they were it may have been self-inflicted.

My perhaps-too-subtle point is that it's silly too give any sort of pass this year based on Skolar being out/unhealthy when he's only partially playing at all because of the pandemic rules.  It's especially silly to simultaneously give a pass for last year based on COVID generally or that COVID disproportionately hurt the 'cats.

If we're horrible without Skolar, the thought shouldn't be that it sucks he's hurt again.  It should be how in tf are we so reliant on a QB that should already be selling trucks this year but for a global pandemic and extra years given to an-y-one who needed one.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: OK_Cat on October 04, 2021, 06:33:15 PM
I’d probably be less angry about Klieman if I thought there was any chance he would actually fire Messingham.

Numbers are numbers, and Klieman has 1 more win than Prince after the same number of games. That, along with this conference losing streak, doesn’t really make me feel like this ship is heading anywhere but a mediocre path for the foreseeable future.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2021, 06:43:04 PM
Definitely not going to fire Mess. I don’t think he needs to though.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KCFDcat on October 04, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
I’d probably be less angry about Klieman if I thought there was any chance he would actually fire Messingham.

Numbers are numbers, and Klieman has 1 more win than Prince after the same number of games. That, along with this conference losing streak, doesn’t really make me feel like this ship is heading anywhere but a mediocre path for the foreseeable future.


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To me it looks like KSU will be a perennial 7-5 program with a few 9 wins seasons sprinkled in here and there, then maybe once in a blue moon they get lucky and win 10 or something. This is close to what Snyder 2.0 was. Maybe they get a bit better with new Big 12.

This team is hard to read, they could easily finish the year 6-1 and we’d all be ecstatic. They could also finish 2-5, which would be incredibly disappointing and should put ck on the hot seat. Either way he gets to coach through 2023.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2021, 07:26:17 PM
Enraged Tucks and Kliemanites accept that 10/16 is a must win scenario. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KCFDcat on October 04, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
Definitely not going to fire Mess. I don’t think he needs to though.

I think Mess needs to go, but it won’t happen.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2021, 09:54:42 PM
He can coach em up with the best of them and his guys play hard, but I dunno if he’ll ever get good enough players or have enough depth
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on October 04, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
He can coach em up with the best of them and his guys play hard, but I dunno if he’ll ever get good enough players or have enough depth

I think this is my lone criticism. I remember in his first year he missed out on some good, in-state linemen who went to Nebraska. I told myself he'd be able to get guys like that after 2-3 years and so far he hasn't been able to do that.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 04, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal. 
Title: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
I’d probably be less angry about Klieman if I thought there was any chance he would actually fire Messingham.

Numbers are numbers, and Klieman has 1 more win than Prince after the same number of games. That, along with this conference losing streak, doesn’t really make me feel like this ship is heading anywhere but a mediocre path for the foreseeable future.


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To me it looks like KSU will be a perennial 7-5 program with a few 9 wins seasons sprinkled in here and there, then maybe once in a blue moon they get lucky and win 10 or something. This is close to what Snyder 2.0 was. Maybe they get a bit better with new Big 12.


This is basically what TCU has been in the Big 12. Add another win per season and you get OSU. Two of the longest tenured coaches in college football. Really not a bad spot to be at all.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 04, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me.  As would Ames and Stillwater.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 05, 2021, 01:00:25 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me.  As would Ames and Stillwater.

And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 05, 2021, 01:03:40 PM
Can we get Urban?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KCFDcat on October 05, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
Can we get Urban?

Hearing it's already done
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 01:39:26 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me.  As would Ames and Stillwater.

And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.

I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2021, 01:52:34 PM
Can we get Urban?
That's a "retread" I could get behind
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me.  As would Ames and Stillwater.

And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.

I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.

Maybe you just grew up too far away from Oklahoma to know better, but Stillwater over Manhattan makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Skipper44 on October 05, 2021, 03:24:16 PM
muqluk, is your point the kids from Wichita we lose OSU and the kids from KC we lose to ISU, MU or NU want to get away from home for school?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 05, 2021, 03:43:08 PM
muqluk, is your point the kids from Wichita we lose OSU and the kids from KC we lose to ISU, MU or NU want to get away from home for school?

ISU got Hall from Wichita.  Sucks we didn't get off our asses and recruit that boy.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 05, 2021, 03:46:01 PM
Also, OSU and OU grab the best from Wichita most of the time.  WTF is going on with our recruiting.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 04:04:14 PM
muqluk, is your point the kids from Wichita we lose OSU and the kids from KC we lose to ISU, MU or NU want to get away from home for school?

Not all of them, no. But it does need to be factored in that this will very much be involved in some of those lost kids.

And after having been to Oklahoma I would be inclined to agree. At 18 however, I wouldn’t have anything more to go on than ‘it’s out of Ks’ and that would have been a potential selling point.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Skipper44 on October 05, 2021, 04:15:13 PM
OU and other national programs taking the top 1 or 2 players in KS or KC sucks but there ain't much KSU can do about it, imo

losing the next 2-6 players in the top 10 peer programs in the region is a problem that i hoped CK would solve and and 2021 is looking better in KS but part of that may be the pool of players
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2021, 04:27:30 PM
OU and other national programs taking the top 1 or 2 players in KS or KC sucks but there ain't much KSU can do about it, imo

losing the next 2-6 players in the top 10 peer programs in the region is a problem that i hoped CK would solve and and 2021 is looking better in KS but part of that may be the pool of players

How many of the top 3-8 players you think KSU should reasonably get?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Skipper44 on October 05, 2021, 05:03:06 PM
more than OSU or ISU
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 05, 2021, 05:25:58 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me.  As would Ames and Stillwater.

And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.

I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.

No, I legitimately do not get your point. You think kids from Kansas would rather go somewhere like Stillwater over Manhattan because it 'isn't Kansas'? Having been a kid from rural Kansas once upon a time and having visited both of those towns that is preposterous. If that is the case, the staff did a terrible job on selling Manhattan and K-State, which proves most of our points here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2021, 05:28:20 PM
more than OSU or ISU

So mission accomplished?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 05, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
success breeds success.  Gotta win some to get the recruits to actually pay attention - also, keep in mind how many small town kids aren't really interested in staying in Ks no matter the circumstances.  A chance to get away is one they're likely to take.

Mostly though, have people forgotten just how bare the cupboard was when Kleiman took over?  I for one think he's done pretty damned good filling holes with the transfer portal.
This tuck talking point might be valid if these kids weren’t going to places like Lincoln, Ames, or Stillwater. Those are just giant recruiting misses.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up about an hour north of Manhattan - and Lincoln would have been just fine to 18 year old me.  As would Ames and Stillwater.

And would Manhattan not have been? Not sure I get your point.

I’m sure you’re deliberately ignoring the point.

No, I legitimately do not get your point. You think kids from Kansas would rather go somewhere like Stillwater over Manhattan because it 'isn't Kansas'? Having been a kid from rural Kansas once upon a time and having visited both of those towns that is preposterous. If that is the case, the staff did a terrible job on selling Manhattan and K-State, which proves most of our points here.

No it doesn’t - not unless they’re literally missing on all of them.

There are more factors than Manhattan being more or less attractive to an individual.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2021, 10:02:26 PM
Can we get Urban?
That's a "retread" I could get behind

I don't think our program could bounce back quickly from the mess he leaves when he's done. It took Florida like 3 coaches. It'd be an amazing 4 years followed by the worst heroin detox O.A.T.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2021, 10:05:26 PM
Can we get Urban?
That's a "retread" I could get behind

I don't think our program could bounce back quickly from the mess he leaves when he's done. It took Florida like 3 coaches. It'd be an amazing 4 years followed by the worst heroin detox O.A.T.
Ohio State and Utah weren't bad. Also kinda crazy that Andy Ludwig is the current OC at Utah. (Found this when confirming Wittingham followed Meyer)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 05, 2021, 10:32:40 PM
You had me at “an amazing 4 years.”
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on October 06, 2021, 06:54:35 AM
I've never once made the argument that COVID mumped over K-State. Last year was done in by losing the starting quarterback and having the receivers and secondary decimated by injuries & in season transfers. I was very critical off Klieman and the transfers. Also rusty and I led the charge in calling last year a fake year, from start to finish, so no I had no part in the COVID boned K-State narrative.

If you're saying K-State is benefiting more from COVID than anyone else you're saying Skylar is the most impactful returning player in college football who otherwise wouldn't be if not for the pandemic, and I know you sure in the eff don't think that. So do you actually think K-State got boned by the pandemic more than any other team and you were just in full performance mode last year?

I know you haven't made that argument, but the post of mine you quoted was about those arguments.  I absolutely don't think KSU got mumped by COVID and to any extent they were it may have been self-inflicted.

My perhaps-too-subtle point is that it's silly too give any sort of pass this year based on Skolar being out/unhealthy when he's only partially playing at all because of the pandemic rules.  It's especially silly to simultaneously give a pass for last year based on COVID generally or that COVID disproportionately hurt the 'cats.

If we're horrible without Skolar, the thought shouldn't be that it sucks he's hurt again.  It should be how in tf are we so reliant on a QB that should already be selling trucks this year but for a global pandemic and extra years given to an-y-one who needed one.
KState would be mumped at QB if it weren't for a global pandemic.

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 06, 2021, 08:43:59 AM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.

Yep, like a hullabaloo ton more fumble drills.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
While I am willing to sell my soul and sacrifice a couple coeds for Urban, that option will never be available.

Will 2024 be the time to bring Venables home? His last son, Tyler, will have just graduated from Clemson. We will need a full rebuild. There won't be the expectations of Snyder to live up to any longer. Sounds like a match to me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2021, 08:50:22 AM
JFC, Venables is never happening. Grow up! Can we mute PA until the Iowa State game?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MadCat on October 06, 2021, 08:57:31 AM
JFC, Venables is never happening. Grow up! Can we mute PA until the Iowa State game?

https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=42494.msg2043075 (https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=42494.msg2043075)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 06, 2021, 09:11:41 AM
I think the program is in OK shape tbh.  The only real issues I have with Klieman are the WR room and LB room.  On WRs, I get that the pace of this offense may scare some kids away, but in order for the offense to work, there's gotta be some level of "legit threat" at WR, and Malik just hasn't been that guy over the last three years (due to injury or whatever other issues have been in his way).  I like our true freshman Garcia, and think Garber may blossom some day too, but man we've had some pretty tepid WR play over the last few years.  Elevating that position ever so slightly would be huge for the offense. We'll obviously need an answer at QB moving forward...whether it's Will (or whoever) taking a massive step forward or hitting the portal, but I think our OL progression will continue to make life a little easier for whoever is playing QB for K-State.

Daniel Green was gangbusters the first three games of the year -- looked like he'd taken a MASSIVE step in the offseason into a potential first team all-conference guy, but his time in the OSU game was glaringly bad.  Pretty bad game against OU too.  I still maintain fletcher doesn't have the range to cover in space that he's gotta have to defend against Big 12 spreads.  So that's really what we had, Green/Fletcher, and walkons.  We supplemented by moving Henny and Wayne Jones down, and added Munoz from the portal.  That's a pretty risky lack of action there and (predictably) so far, it's been about the weakest position through the first 2 games of Big 12 play.  Which is saying something!  Because the safeties have been shockingly bad too through the first 2 big 12 games.  3-3-5 hasn't solved our Big 12 defensive woes, it seems.  But i'm not giving up on them yet -- hopefully the OSU/OU games were apparitions.  We do miss Duke quite a bit i think -- man it would be nice if this team had Wyatt Hubert.

Anyway, to succeed, you need to be a good recruiter or a master roster manager, and CK hasn't really proven to be either yet, which is a concern.  Hopefully that gets better and I think it can.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 06, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
Honestly, we beat OSU with Skylar in the game. Changing nothing else, we're now sitting a 4-1 with a close loss to the #6 team in the nation. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out, but so far, I'm just not that upset with the way things have gone. Next year may be a very different story if we don't have anyone else better than Howard under center, but I still think we wait until year 5 before we start heating up that seat any for CK.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
It is frightening that, apparently, our entire program's success this year hinges on the fact that a 5th year senior elected to come back for a 6th year. Why does Kliegoober get a free pass for not bringing in any depth? He had to eat a pile of his own crap after declaring Howard the best backup in the country. Now, he's trotting a broken QB out there hopped up on enough tranquillizers to kill a horse because he knows what a small chance we have of beating anyone outside KU with Howard at the helm.

The fact that we've lost 7 conference games in a row is not inspiring. Even Prince managed to avoid that lengthy of a streak. But hey, we've beaten OU 2/3 times so let's put a statue up and print some t-shirts.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 06, 2021, 04:52:10 PM
They thought Howard was ready going into the season, I  don’t think they feel that way anymore.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 06, 2021, 05:50:26 PM
He probably figured Skylar was coming back and focused on getting a solid high school recruit instead of trying to plug a hole with a juco kid.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on October 06, 2021, 06:17:40 PM
Has this guy been CANNED yet, or what?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 06, 2021, 06:42:43 PM
Has this guy been CANNED yet, or what?
We're on the 5 year Venebles plan apparently.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 06, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
They thought Howard was ready going into the season, I  don’t think they feel that way anymore.
I say convince Cole Kelley to take a super senior year at a power 5 again.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 06, 2021, 07:44:39 PM
If Thompson wouldn't have come back I have to assume they would've looked into the portal.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 06, 2021, 07:56:18 PM
If Thompson wouldn't have come back I have to assume they would've looked into the portal.

They will be hitting the portal hard
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2021, 08:30:42 PM
They definitely would have hit the portal, especially since Kli is great at it, but he just landed one of the top  QB’s in the nation via rankings and probably didn’t want to scare him off either. Especially since he jumped high schools from Colorado to Iowa his last year, just so he could get some reps at QB, while the state of Colorado closed shop on HS football.

But it’s simple wins and losses to some on this board, who wants him to recruit better! Lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2021, 10:12:35 PM
I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.

No way. We lose against Stanford and Nevada if we don't have a good QB. I'd be inclined to say SIU as well but we had a bad QB stop giving the ball away and decided to let the defense win the game.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2021, 10:17:01 PM
SIU is ranked 4th right now in the FCS.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 06, 2021, 10:21:28 PM
A Messingham offense can be successful with Howard at the helm, but only if they're willing to run Will 12-15 times a game.
Wrong thread, bud.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2021, 10:30:04 PM
One thing that even the trolls should give Klieman credit for is that he was ballsy against OU and it kept us in the game. We were what 4-5 on fourth down and only time we didn't convert was the Weber drop. Those weren't all trying to come back from a huge defect either, we went for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game.

He's starting to learn the differences between winning at K-State and winning at NDSU. In 2019 it was so frustrating how conservative he was, in every situation. His risk aversion may have cost us both the UT & WVU games in '19. We're on pace to have the most 4th down attempts since 2008. Of course Ron had an obscene amount of 4th down attempts, his teams conversion rates were abysmal.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2021, 06:29:11 AM


I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.

No way. We lose against Stanford and Nevada if we don't have a good QB. I'd be inclined to say SIU as well but we had a bad QB stop giving the ball away and decided to let the defense win the game.

Uhhh
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2021, 06:38:43 AM


One thing that even the trolls should give Klieman credit for is that he was ballsy against OU and it kept us in the game. We were what 4-5 on fourth down and only time we didn't convert was the Weber drop. Those weren't all trying to come back from a huge defect either, we went for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game.

He's starting to learn the differences between winning at K-State and winning at NDSU. In 2019 it was so frustrating how conservative he was, in every situation. His risk aversion may have cost us both the UT & WVU games in '19. We're on pace to have the most 4th down attempts since 2008. Of course Ron had an obscene amount of 4th down attempts, his teams conversion rates were abysmal.

Yeah the idea that he was trying to lose by less is absurd.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2021, 08:36:47 AM


I'm guessing the transfer portal might have been hit a little harder and the offensive preparation would have been a lot different without Sky. I bet we'd still be 3-2 at this point.

No way. We lose against Stanford and Nevada if we don't have a good QB. I'd be inclined to say SIU as well but we had a bad QB stop giving the ball away and decided to let the defense win the game.

Uhhh

 :facepalm: :lol: lol what a dipshit, okay just Stanford
Title: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2021, 09:02:40 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2021, 09:09:22 AM
One thing that even the trolls should give Klieman credit for is that he was ballsy against OU and it kept us in the game. We were what 4-5 on fourth down and only time we didn't convert was the Weber drop. Those weren't all trying to come back from a huge defect either, we went for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game.

He's starting to learn the differences between winning at K-State and winning at NDSU. In 2019 it was so frustrating how conservative he was, in every situation. His risk aversion may have cost us both the UT & WVU games in '19. We're on pace to have the most 4th down attempts since 2008. Of course Ron had an obscene amount of 4th down attempts, his teams conversion rates were abysmal.

I absolutely loved him going for it so many times on 4th. Love the aggressiveness, loved how we kept converting, loved the play calls; it all made me feel good.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 07, 2021, 09:11:53 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 09:25:09 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Weird how the roller coaster ride of inconsistency seems to correlate pretty identically to whether a particular player at the most important position in sports is playing.  Mess must just be calling better plays when Skylar is out there.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 09:35:06 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.

This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14.  Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on October 07, 2021, 09:53:28 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.

That was a catch!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.

This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14.  Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?

It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance.  On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns).  Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score.  Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football.  So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 10:20:52 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.

This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14.  Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?

It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance.  On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns).  Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score.  Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football.  So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too.

Lucky for us, we're halfway there. https://thesportjournal.org/article/predictive-modeling-of-4th-down-conversion-in-power-5-conferences-football-data-analytics/ (https://thesportjournal.org/article/predictive-modeling-of-4th-down-conversion-in-power-5-conferences-football-data-analytics/)

According to our friends from the Sport Journal, the probability of success on 4th and 7 within Power 5 Conferences is 36% based on a sample size of 130 instances. Certainly one of our math geeks can do some regression analysis here based on subset of data we have....

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2021, 10:22:49 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Weird how the roller coaster ride of inconsistency seems to correlate pretty identically to whether a particular player at the most important position in sports is playing.  Mess must just be calling better plays when Skylar is out there.

Which is why they really need to hit the portal.  I doubt Rubley is going to be ready anytime soon.



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2021, 10:29:19 AM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.
Weird how the roller coaster ride of inconsistency seems to correlate pretty identically to whether a particular player at the most important position in sports is playing.  Mess must just be calling better plays when Skylar is out there.

Which is why they really need to hit the portal.  I doubt Rubley is going to be ready anytime soon.






I’d like to see them bring in someone with multiple years of eligibility but if it’s a grad transfer it’s better than nothing
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 07, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.

This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14.  Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?

It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance.  On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns).  Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score.  Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football.  So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too. 

A couple of the drives started at the 19 and 36 of KSU.  I think you're better off trusting the defense IF you trust your punter to pin them relatively well.  To be honest, though, I don't know that I've seen our punter do that terribly well. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 07, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
I also think that if you have a play you like on 4th and 14, you probably should've ran it on 2nd or 3rd and long.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2021, 12:34:05 PM
I wasn't thrilled about the 4th & 14 (not just because it failed) but was on board with the rest of them and the overall mentality.

This. We should have been operating in the 2-min offense with 9-minutes to go, but this coaching staff has no concept of clock management. I understand this isn't our offensive philosophy, but scoreboard should dictate your pace of play. I'd rather run the 'risk' of unforced errors in playing faster than normal over trying to convert a ridiculous 4th and 14.  Even if Weber had caught the ball, I'd have the same opinion. Anyone have some data on this? I can't imagine the likelihood of success being over 10%.
Yeah does anyone have a database about how often 4th and 14s are converted at the college level?

It was pretty aggressive given the down and distance.  On the other hand, we were down 10 at the time, OU had scored on 5 of their 6 possessions at that point (3 of which were touchdowns).  Voluntarily ceding the ball likely results in another score.  Playing for field position by punting in OU territory there seems like it offers very little benefit, given the relative ease OU had had moving the football.  So yeah, it's a longshot to convert, but the marginal benefit of punting there is probably pretty low too. 

A couple of the drives started at the 19 and 36 of KSU.  I think you're better off trusting the defense IF you trust your punter to pin them relatively well.  To be honest, though, I don't know that I've seen our punter do that terribly well.

He was arguably our MVP of the OkSt game
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2021, 12:49:37 PM
if we can go 4-5 on 4th against OU’s defense, there’s absolutely no reason to punt the rest of the season
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 01:28:15 PM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.

The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)

2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)

Just for conversation fodder.

A link to BCFtoys, a cool website with a bunch of stats… https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 07, 2021, 01:32:09 PM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.

The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)

2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)

Just for conversation fodder.
:frown:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.

The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)

2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)

Just for conversation fodder.

A link to BCFtoys, a cool website with a bunch of stats… https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd

Is there any way to go back and see what Dana Dimel's happened to be from 2010-2015?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 07, 2021, 01:52:40 PM
The offensive staff has to be on notice.

This roller coaster ride of inconsistency and 3rd qtr power outages has to end for MoValley Messingham.

The following are Mess’ seasons as a P5 OC, showing his offensive points per drive (OPD), w/ national rank in (xx)

2012 - 1.73 (74)
2013 - 1.71 (91)
2019 - 2.37 (55)
2020 - 2.16 (67)
2021 - 2.49 (46)

Just for conversation fodder.

A link to BCFtoys, a cool website with a bunch of stats… https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd
I understand why they do fbs vs fbs (and im not taking the initiative to improve on the stats produced).  But stats like these essentially gloss over the fact that iowa state has crushed two of the worst fbs teams, while looking like dog crap against a salty fcs team.  And are ranked 11th this year in Net PPD.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
Looking at our aggregate offensive stats from 2020 and so far in 2021 are pretty pointless, given the stark contrast between life with skylar and life without.

In the two full games K-State had thompson for last year, K-State operated at about 2.87 PPD (~21st in the country).  In the two games with Thompson this season, K-State's at about 3 PPD, which again would put K-State around 21st.

If we want to kill Messingham for not having a better QB/or not figuring out an offense to run with Howard and the crew, that's fine.  But with a decent/good (depending on your assessment of Skylar) QB on the field, Mess's offenses have been very good the last two years (albeit in a relatively small sample).  The scheme is very good - but it requires a decent QB.

I'm also not going to be too critical of his 2019 season, first year and all that.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 02:35:21 PM
I don’t know what happened to the post but Dimel was very good in ppd 2010-2014. He was at 2.21 (57) in 2015.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 02:37:29 PM
in about 2014 i was clamoring to have dana be kansas state's next head coach. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 02:57:30 PM
in about 2014 i was clamoring to have dana be kansas state's next head coach.

Dana:
2009 - 1.68 (91), Gregory
2010 - 2.61 (25), CCQ
2011 - 2.63 (22), CK
2012 - 3.21 (6), CK
2013 - 2.90 (16), Waters, Sams
2014 - 2.95 (11), Waters
2015 - 2.21 (57), Bazooka Joe, ???
2016 - 2.49 (36), Ertz
2017 - 2.38 (39), Ertz, Thompson, Delton
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 07, 2021, 03:23:09 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 07, 2021, 03:29:25 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 03:42:31 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.

If only we had a serviceable backup.......
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 03:43:33 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.

If only we had a serviceable backup.......

Will’s ppd probably looks pretty decent this year tbh.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 07, 2021, 04:14:00 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.

If only we had a serviceable backup.......

Will’s ppd probably looks pretty decent this year tbh.

For our team or the opponent?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
I wonder if the HC being LHC Bill Snyder helped our PPD
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 07, 2021, 04:52:16 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.

Part of that criticalness comes from the fact that he was terrible at Iowa State (yeah, they weren't good, but still) and there were some absolute turds in 2019 even with Thompson (that Navy game was one for the ages from an offensive ineptitude standpoint). Aside from OSU this year, I've been pretty pleased with Mess - something I wouldn't have thought I would have said before the season started.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 07, 2021, 05:34:43 PM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.

Part of that criticalness comes from the fact that he was terrible at Iowa State (yeah, they weren't good, but still) and there were some absolute turds in 2019 even with Thompson (that Navy game was one for the ages from an offensive ineptitude standpoint). Aside from OSU this year, I've been pretty pleased with Mess - something I wouldn't have thought I would have said before the season started.
Wasn't the online pretty suspect that year.  Or maybe wr injury issues.  Just looking back at the stats and it seemed like we never threw the ball and it was rarely down field.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 05:58:09 PM
Howard: drives/pts

SIU: 10/24
Nevada: 7/28
OSU: 4/3
Total: 21/55

2.62 ppd

My math or method May be off

Edit: w/ drive by drive

SIU:
Drive 1 - 7 pts
Drive 2 - 7 pts
Drive 3 - 0 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
Drive 5 - 0 pts
Drive 6 - 3 pts
Drive 7 - 0 pts
Drive 8 - 0 pts
Drive 9 - 0 pts
Drive 10 - 7 pts
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10 drives 24 pts

Nevada
Drive 1 - 7 pts
Drive 2 - 0 pts
Drive 3 - 0 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
Drive 5 - 7 pts
Drive 6 - 7 pts
Drive 7 - 7 pts
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7 drives 28 pts

OSU
Drive 1 - 3 pts
Drive 2 - 0 pts
Drive 3 - 0 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
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4 drives 3 pts
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2021, 09:09:59 PM
Lewis: drives/pts
11/20 = 1.82 ppd

Nevada:
Drive 1 - 7 pts
Drive 2 - 3 pts
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2 drives 10 pts

OSU:
Drive 1 - 0 pts
Drive 2 - 0 pts
Drive 3 - 3 pts
Drive 4 - 0 pts
Drive 5 - 0 pts
Drive 6 - 7 pts
Drive 7 - 0 pts
Drive 8 - 0 pts
Drive 9 - 0 pts
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9 drives 10 pts
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 08, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
Those are not terrible numbers, honestly. Certainly better than what we're seeing right now.
the offense has been horrible because the QB has been horrible.  in the last two years, when skylar has been playing, the offense has been as good as any K-State offense since 2012 (at least based on PPD).

if the offense sucks next year without thompson, yeah, that's on Mess.  but i don't know how anyone can be so critical when his starting QB has been hurt in 11 of the last 15 games.  that's a product of shitty luck, not bad coordinating.


I agree completely
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 11, 2021, 11:16:49 AM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:

https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 11, 2021, 12:09:49 PM
Would definitely take over Howard
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 11, 2021, 03:14:43 PM
Would take Kody Cook over Will Howard. I would think very few schools would have an edge on us when it comes to recruiting a QB as a grad transfer. Your competition is Lewis, Howard, and some freshman who hasn't ever seen the field. You get an experienced O-Line, what should be a few quality TE targets, and the best RB in the Big XII.  If we could get our WR corps to marginally improve, the opportunity sells itself.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 11, 2021, 03:18:00 PM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:

https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
I think we should aim a little higher than UNI's walk-on backup.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 11, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2021, 09:14:38 AM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:

https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
I think we should aim a little higher than UNI's walk-on backup.

He was only a walk on because he played for a historically dog crap high school, Des Moines Lincoln, a true city school with zero resources. He was put on scholarship as a freshman. He started 20 games for them. His first ever game was in '19 against Iowa State and he absolutely outplayed Purdy. He had 2800 passing yards his freshman year.

He got COVID last year then a Michigan State transfer came in, dude had 5 P5 offers, McElvain lost his job to the transfer. We could do much much worse. I'd guarantee he'd transfer to a P5 if he was taller than 5'11".

I'm calling it now McElvain will be our starting QB against South Dakota next September.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
I don’t think he will be a cat
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 12, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
why would we go after a transfer QB when we have the best back up in the country
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 12, 2021, 10:02:13 AM
why would we go after a transfer QB when we have the best back up in the country
Best transfer QB in the country trumps best backup
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 12, 2021, 10:04:25 AM
Crazy to think that Jesse Ertz would EASILY beat out Howard and Lewis, even with one leg.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2021, 10:08:02 AM
Jesse Ertz was very good for like the second half of his junior season
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2021, 10:09:48 AM
We talked about QB's for next year, so here you go:

https://twitter.com/Briley_moore22/status/1447589183019749382?s=20
I think we should aim a little higher than UNI's walk-on backup.

He was only a walk on because he played for a historically dog crap high school, Des Moines Lincoln, a true city school with zero resources. He was put on scholarship as a freshman. He started 20 games for them. His first ever game was in '19 against Iowa State and he absolutely outplayed Purdy. He had 2800 passing yards his freshman year.

He got COVID last year then a Michigan State transfer came in, dude had 5 P5 offers, McElvain lost his job to the transfer. We could do much much worse. I'd guarantee he'd transfer to a P5 if he was taller than 5'11".

I'm calling it now McElvain will be our starting QB against South Dakota next September.

I swear to god if you get my hopes up and we see Howard under center next year...
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2021, 10:13:18 AM
Crazy to think that Jesse Ertz would EASILY beat out Howard and Lewis, even with one leg.

It's not that crazy when you realize that Ertz acknowledged that it's generally a bad thing for a QB to keep giving the ball to the other team, so he didn't.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 12, 2021, 12:19:22 PM
Howard will be the starter next season. He will be serviceable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
Howard will be the starter next season. He will be serviceable.

I give that a 0% chance.  Staff is going to get a transfer QB.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 12, 2021, 01:20:45 PM
Howard will be the starter next season. He will be serviceable.

I give that a 0% chance.  Staff is going to get a transfer QB.

I imagine this to be the case. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 12, 2021, 02:09:32 PM
Rattler will most likely be available
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 12, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
Rattler is not coming to or even sniffing k-state
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 12, 2021, 02:15:21 PM
0% chance of Howard starting game 1 next year seems fairly low, even with a transfer.

Heck 10% seems pretty low.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 12, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
Howard is the most likely individual but I might take the field over Howard.

It could be an important year for Klieman if he struggles down the stretch this year, I don't see him putting the ball in the hands of Howard.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
Howard is the most likely individual but I might take the field over Howard.

It could be an important year for Klieman if he struggles down the stretch this year, I don't see him putting the ball in the hands of Howard.

If the average fan can see the delta between how this team performs with Skylar vs Will the coaching staff certainly can. I’m not saying they can land someone to perform at Skylars level but they are sure as crap gonna try.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 04:09:41 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2021, 07:32:20 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 12, 2021, 08:03:00 PM
I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 12, 2021, 10:40:45 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)

Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 12, 2021, 10:44:26 PM
Let’s be clear; our fanbase is almost always the reason we can’t have nice things.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 10:52:34 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)

Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.

By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler

Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.

2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119

It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade.  Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.


So some minds need to be made up here.

Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not?  As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him.  And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us

But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 12, 2021, 11:28:05 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)

Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.

By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler

Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.

2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119

It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade.  Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.


So some minds need to be made up here.

Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not?  As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him.  And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us

But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.

I’ve watched about 4 full OU games this year, I don’t think you have or you wouldn’t be sitting here telling me Rattler isn’t a MASSIVE upgrade over Will Howard. Again, the guy is still going to be a day 1 draft pick. Will Howard must be going top 15 in your mock.

I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. I cannot believe I’m having to explain this. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 12, 2021, 11:36:23 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)

Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.

By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler

Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.

2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119

It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade.  Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.


So some minds need to be made up here.

Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not?  As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him.  And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us

But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.

I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.

Lazy. Or deliberately being a dumbass.  Look at the fumbles also.

Nobody is saying Howard is better than Rattler.  But while you're at it, go look up Thompson's stats (for both).  A transfer QB is absolutely needed unless Rubley develops a lot faster than anyone believes will happen.  But Rattler is 'not' that transfer we're looking for or need. 

If the staff were capable of developing a QB with any degree of success, maybe Rattler could be an option but then if they were, we wouldn't be needing to look to the portal to begin with. 

But I do gotta recognize your good job at throwing up the straw man instead of actually addressing the actual point being discussed.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 12, 2021, 11:46:19 PM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)

Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.

By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler

Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.

2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119

It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade.  Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.


So some minds need to be made up here.

Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not?  As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him.  And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us

But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.

I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.

Lazy. Or deliberately being a dumbass.

Look at the fumbles also.

Nobody is saying Howard is better than Rattler.  But while you're at it, go look up Thompson's stats (for both).  A transfer QB is absolutely needed unless Rubley develops a lot faster than anyone believes will happen.  But Rattler is 'not' that transfer we're looking for or need. 

If the staff were capable of developing a QB with any degree of success, maybe Rattler could be an option but then if they were, we wouldn't be needing to look to the portal to begin with.

Which part was lazy or being a dumbass? The part where you produced sources that counted total turnovers for a guy that has played in about 10 more games than Howard and still had less total turnovers (and 30 more TD’s) and immediately thought that was how statistics worked? Or the part where you said Rattler wasn’t a massive upgrade over Will rough ridin' Howard? You are a moron of the highest order.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 13, 2021, 12:02:21 AM
Rattler will most likely be available

Hard pass

 :ROFL:
You are truly the voice of the fan. I'd bet if you polled K-State fans a majority of them would agree with you.

I would try to get him. 

Goodness, why does every dude gotta be farm fresh for K-State Tuckville to like them?

Why I’m the hell would I be clamoring to replace 1 turnover machine (Howard) for another more prolific turnover machine (Rattler) who quite frankly failed with an absolutely stellar supporting cast?  What makes you two think Rattler would be able to perform ‘better’ for us than he did at OU surrounded by 4 and 5 star team mates?

Tuck that crap out your ass

No thank you.  Would prefer to get Rubley in and take the lumps that’ll follow and have a 4 year starter potential than a 1 and done retread which couldn’t cut it previously and will declare next year anyway (only to get picked up as a late round flyer at best and be back home selling insurance within 2 years)

Good job doubling up on the tuck. How exactly is Rattler a “turnover machine”? Odds are he will still be a day 1 draft pick as well. There has been maybe one QB at KSU in school history with the arm talent of Rattler (Freeman). Sometimes I think our fan base is the reason why we can’t have nice things.

By pure status, yeah Rattler is better than Howard - but look at career interception status for both.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4429955/will-howard
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426339/spencer-rattler

Now look at fumbles by QB and compare the 2.

2020 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=118
2021 - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119

It's painfully obvious Howard isn't the QB of the future - but a stats based comparison between Rattler and Howard when also giving due consideration to the quality of receivers between the 2 and it should be 100% clear Rattler isn't an upgrade.  Or, at best, a nominal upgrade.


So some minds need to be made up here.

Are Klein/messingham/kleiman bad at developing QBs or not?  As for ‘turnover machine’ maybe you should watch more football than just our games - it should be self evident how true that statement was. Just because the eraser-headed freak chose the game against us to show up doesn’t mean he’s not a turnover machine. It just means we didn’t get any meaningful pressure on him.  And it certainly does t mean he’ll magically ‘develop’ to his potential with us

But hey if you want to have it both ways, by all means, do go on.

I looked at your sources for about 10 seconds and Rattler threw 12 picks in about 500 pass attempts. Will Howard threw 11 in about 200 pass attempts. Your math does not add up. Rattler also has over a 3:1 (39/12) TD/INT ratio. Howard’s is 9:11. What an incredibly dumbass tuck take.

Lazy. Or deliberately being a dumbass.

Look at the fumbles also.

Nobody is saying Howard is better than Rattler.  But while you're at it, go look up Thompson's stats (for both).  A transfer QB is absolutely needed unless Rubley develops a lot faster than anyone believes will happen.  But Rattler is 'not' that transfer we're looking for or need. 

If the staff were capable of developing a QB with any degree of success, maybe Rattler could be an option but then if they were, we wouldn't be needing to look to the portal to begin with.

Which part was lazy or being a dumbass? The part where you produced sources that counted total turnovers for a guy that has played in about 10 more games than Howard and still had less total turnovers (and 30 more TD’s) and immediately thought that was how statistics worked? Or the part where you said Rattler wasn’t a massive upgrade over Will rough ridin' Howard? You are a moron of the highest order.

The part where my only actual claim was that Rattler is a turnover machine as well.  You know, the part you deliberately refused to actually look at or address.

But hey, keep sucking Rattler's male genitals cuck.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 03:35:13 AM
This man is really putting thought and several words in to trying to convince other human beings that Spencer Rattler and Will Howard are comparable quarterbacks  :lol:

shits wild man
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 06:28:18 AM
It’s absurd.  Luckily we won’t need to worry about it because Rattler isn’t coming here.

I don’t think our guy from UNI is it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on October 13, 2021, 07:25:22 AM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the season
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 13, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
I can hardly think of two QBs that are more different than Rattler and Howard
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 09:20:27 AM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the season
TBF, it's only one in this thread.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 09:20:49 AM
And you've gotta be fair.  Have to be.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 13, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Rattler doesn’t strike me as “fun to root for.”
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 13, 2021, 10:32:35 AM
I would take him in a heartbeat.

(he was rough ridin' miserable to watch on QB1)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 10:38:49 AM
Too many turnovers, not enough grit to play here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 11:11:59 AM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the season
TBF, it's only one in this thread.

You know full well there are plenty of fans on the other forums who share this sentiment. I don't think it's fair to attribute this as a thing unique to K-State fans, this is something that at least 50% of football fans would say. These are the thoughts of someone willing to chant eff Joe Biden at a football game.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MadCat on October 13, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
This will all be moot once he wraps that wide body scat pack around a tree
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 13, 2021, 01:15:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BDavisAAS/status/1448331856102010882
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 01:21:43 PM
Good chance for some persecution to come out of all that! :excited:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 13, 2021, 01:31:50 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 01:40:48 PM
I wonder if OU fans were upset when they picked up the walk-on backup from Texas Tech.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Skipper44 on October 13, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
This will all be moot once he wraps that wide body scat pack around a tree
qft, a guy that know just replaced his SRT after hitting a tree with a Hellcat

also i bet that scat pack and the TRX were picked for "required maintenance"and replaced by a loaner Journey before the OU bus crossed back into OK
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 01:54:31 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2021, 02:16:36 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

Now do touchdowns
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 13, 2021, 02:17:03 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.

IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.

He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.

IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.

He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.

He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons.  He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s.  33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career.  You take Rattler under any circumstance.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 13, 2021, 02:44:51 PM
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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
I have it on good authority from those “in the know” within the program that Will “The Thrill” Howard is chomping at the bit for 2022 and the opportunity to make gE eat crow all season long.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
Well, I hope that Will "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all" Howard stays on the damn bench next year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 03:45:30 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

Now do touchdowns

I think you missed the sarcasm.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 03:59:21 PM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the season
TBF, it's only one in this thread.

You know full well there are plenty of fans on the other forums who share this sentiment. I don't think it's fair to attribute this as a thing unique to K-State fans, this is something that at least 50% of football fans would say. These are the thoughts of someone willing to chant eff Joe Biden at a football game.
i chant "eff joe biden" at every sporting event i attend.  i did it at my niece's soccer game two sundays ago.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2021, 04:03:33 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

Now do touchdowns

I think you missed the sarcasm.

Tapout noted
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 13, 2021, 04:22:55 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

That's rough ridin' strang, he was a true freshman last year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
only k-state fans would turn down a qb that was the heisman frontrunner coming into the season
TBF, it's only one in this thread.

You know full well there are plenty of fans on the other forums who share this sentiment. I don't think it's fair to attribute this as a thing unique to K-State fans, this is something that at least 50% of football fans would say. These are the thoughts of someone willing to chant eff Joe Biden at a football game.
i chant "eff joe biden" at every sporting event i attend.  i did it at my niece's soccer game two sundays ago.

 :lol: I bet
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

Now do touchdowns

I think you missed the sarcasm.

Tapout noted

Lol wut? I was agreeing with you. See previous posts showing Rattler >>>>>> Will
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.


Uh, his lineage is a clear step or two above Baker and Kyler. Rattler was the #1 QB in his class. Kyler was a good recruit but not close to the class of Rattled. Baker had to walk on at Texas Tech. Both of those guys had to transfer because they couldn't win the job outright. Having the ability to play the result, both of those guys are clearly better than Rattler, but everyone who thought he was going to be as good or better than those other two guys had plenty of reason to think it was a possibility.

Rattler losing his job is more about the guy behind him than it is about him. I still think he's probably one of the ten best college QBs right now and I'm not convinced he's not going to have to relieve Caleb Williams at some point. I also think it's very possible Rattler doesn't transfer at all if he gets a good enough draft grade. He came into the season either the first or second QB depending on your mock of choice.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 13, 2021, 09:27:21 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.

IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.

He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.

He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons.  He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s.  33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career.  You take Rattler under any circumstance.

If it were only interceptions sure I’d agree

It’s not. That’s why I also linked fumbles
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 13, 2021, 10:48:50 PM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.

IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.

He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.

He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons.  He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s.  33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career.  You take Rattler under any circumstance.

If it were only interceptions sure I’d agree

It’s not. That’s why I also linked fumbles

Give it up dude. Rattler has one more fumble this year on over 2x as many games played. Rattler had one more fumbles last year on nearly 2x as many games played also. You’re alone here on Dumbass Island.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 14, 2021, 01:58:00 AM
Rattler is an uggo, and by a vast majority of accounts a total fptc. That’s like lower left on the hot-crazy matrix.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 14, 2021, 05:49:43 AM
10 or 11 wins would be a reasonable expectation next year with Rattler at quarterback.

Absolutely, I don't love Rattler but dear god he's at least a good QB

Are you sure? He had 13 interceptions over 3 years. Guy is a turnover machine.

My issue is more them (media) pimping him like he is/was in the lineage of Baker or Kyler, when he's a clear step or two below them.

IMO he does have a bit of a turnover problem, and it's way under 3 years he's played, calling it 3 is being generous, it's 20 games he's played. You make him sound like it's 3 full years which is ridic, but not as ridic as the one guy claiming he wouldn't be a massive upgrade over Howard or not thinking he's worth it, which he is. He can have faults while still being a way better goddamn option.

He's a good QB, just not great. His game vs us is his best game. It's the same argument in my mind if we're taking about Landry Jones, I would take him over Howard in a heartbeat, skittish feet and poor pocket presence and all.

He’s participated in the 2019, 2020, 2021 seasons.  He’s thrown for 39 TD’s over the same time frame as his 13 INT’s.  33 TD’s and 14 INT’s for Sky in his career.  You take Rattler under any circumstance.

If it were only interceptions sure I’d agree

It’s not. That’s why I also linked fumbles

This is hilarious. Keep dying on this hill! It’s going really well for you!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 14, 2021, 01:24:35 PM
Guys, can we get this thread back on track? Are we going to fire Kliegoober or not?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Get a hobby
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 14, 2021, 01:43:26 PM
Guys, can we get this thread back on track? Are we going to fire Kliegoober or not?
In the next few years, highly unlikely.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
Here we go:

https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
I think Klieman's job status should somehow be tied to whatever happens with Rattler. Like,

Rattler stays at OU and sucks, Klieman does not get fired.

Rattler transfers and is awesome, Klieman gets fired.

Rattler dies in a car crash, Klieman does not get fired.

And so on.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 14, 2021, 02:03:37 PM
Here we go:

https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20

dang he's 6'1? he looked like such a smol boi when we were breaking his body in half last year (i know we lost but not the point) anyway i was like sheesh that poor fella is like 5'9, maybe 177cm getting out of bed in the morning at best, and getting absolutely murdered out there. Or was that the other QB? time has become a blur for me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 14, 2021, 02:09:49 PM
I think Klieman's job status should somehow be tied to whatever happens with Rattler. Like,

Rattler stays at OU and sucks, Klieman does not get fired.

Rattler transfers and is awesome, Klieman gets fired.

Rattler dies in a car crash, Klieman does not get fired.

And so on.

Depends on where he transfers to, imo.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 02:15:54 PM
Here we go:

https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20

dang he's 6'1? he looked like such a smol boi when we were breaking his body in half last year (i know we lost but not the point) anyway i was like sheesh that poor fella is like 5'9, maybe 177cm getting out of bed in the morning at best, and getting absolutely murdered out there. Or was that the other QB? time has become a blur for me.
He accounted for over 400 yards vs us last year and 4 TD's.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 14, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
Brewer would be a fine transfer, assuming we can't get Rattler.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 14, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
I think keeping Will Howard as the best backup in the country should be the plan for the foreseeable future.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 02:24:30 PM
A couple of people on twitter "meh'd" to it and I found that hilarious.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 14, 2021, 02:25:06 PM
Here we go:

https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20

dang he's 6'1? he looked like such a smol boi when we were breaking his body in half last year (i know we lost but not the point) anyway i was like sheesh that poor fella is like 5'9, maybe 177cm getting out of bed in the morning at best, and getting absolutely murdered out there. Or was that the other QB? time has become a blur for me.
Hehe
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 14, 2021, 02:30:13 PM
Brewer would be a fine transfer, assuming we can't get Rattler.

i think as a professional courtesy we should let Meyer (or Gruden???) have a say in whomst they would prefer to have as their QB1 next year imho
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 14, 2021, 02:32:06 PM
I think keeping Will Howard as the best backup in the country should be the plan for the foreseeable future.


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This will probably be the reason why we don't get Rattler.  Why would he want to lose his starting job to the best back-up in the country when he just lost his job to the 2nd best back-up in the county?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
I think Klieman's job status should somehow be tied to whatever happens with Rattler. Like,

Rattler stays at OU and sucks, Klieman does not get fired.

Rattler transfers and is awesome, Klieman gets fired.

Rattler dies in a car crash, Klieman does not get fired.

And so on.
:facepalm:

https://twitter.com/boardgeniuses/status/1448735260917866506?s=21
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2021, 03:15:23 PM
That account is not very good
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2021, 03:31:03 PM
Leave twitter to the pros like dlew12
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2021, 03:52:30 PM
HELL YEAH LET'S GOOOOO!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 05:29:52 PM
Here we go:

https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1448721283714363393?s=20

Uh, no thanks.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
That account is not very good

That account is great, they aren't used to elite message board posters like chum. 99.999999% of message board posters say excessively stupid crap and aren't irreverent, they're just dumb.

What I want to know is who sent that screenshot to the account and what was their purpose of doing so. Is there someone here who really thought chum was being serious.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2021, 05:49:58 PM
That account is not very good

That account is great, they aren't used to elite message board posters like chum. 99.999999% of message board posters say excessively stupid crap and aren't irreverent, they're just dumb.

What I want to know is who sent that screenshot to the account and what was their purpose of doing so. Is there someone here who really thought chum was being serious.

Chum sent it himself
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 06:07:04 PM
lol, of course
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 14, 2021, 07:51:48 PM
chum owns the account
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 14, 2021, 10:22:45 PM
Another gE pelt courtesy of ol chum
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 16, 2021, 07:43:19 PM
just tuned in to the game and apparently kylemann is still the coach?  really kind of amazing we haven't fired him yet.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 16, 2021, 07:59:34 PM
Back to back loses coming up to Iowa State. That has to be a career killer
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 16, 2021, 08:40:54 PM
it was sheer hubris to think we could win without a snyder on the staff.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 16, 2021, 08:55:22 PM
i just don't see what's so great about christian kippermen.  if that makes me a monster according to the politics of the day, so be it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2021, 09:05:37 PM
The NDSU grifters have seized control of our program.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 16, 2021, 09:07:02 PM
The Fire Kleigoober Wagon should be full after tonight. He has coached this team into the dirt.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 16, 2021, 09:15:10 PM
As long as he beats KU, he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 16, 2021, 09:39:06 PM
He sucks


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 16, 2021, 09:43:43 PM
How many conference wins will he have this year? 1-3?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 16, 2021, 09:44:31 PM
How many conference wins will he have this year? 1-3?

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 12:55:56 AM
Enough for a bowl game. Cats!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 17, 2021, 03:01:19 AM
If KU was the historically bad program they are right now, Ron Prince might still be the coach here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 17, 2021, 07:39:59 AM
I have a feeling he will be our coach for 2 or 3 more years.

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1449551577321127936?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2021, 08:45:09 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2021, 09:51:49 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.

I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.

I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.

Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 17, 2021, 09:56:32 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.

I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.

i'm pretty amazed to discover he hasn't already had five years.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 17, 2021, 10:11:33 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.

I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.

Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.

Yes, but the coach is also usually told after year 2-3 “you’re struggling, make some changes.” 

The problem here is Gene has a history not allowing fixes because budget, CK putting this staff together because he doesn’t have the P5 network so there’s no reason to think he can improve it if given the chance, & I’m very doubtful he’d replace his good friend Mess.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CNS on October 17, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
The real question is will Bill be able to calm the waters in another 3 or so years?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 10:28:17 AM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.

I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.

Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.

Yes, but the coach is also usually told after year 2-3 “you’re struggling, make some changes.” 

The problem here is Gene has a history not allowing fixes because budget, CK putting this staff together because he doesn’t have the P5 network so there’s no reason to think he can improve it if given the chance, & I’m very doubtful he’d replace his good friend Mess.
I’m sure his coaching network contains a lot of solid assistants and P5 coaches.  I think at some point he’s gonna have to have a hard conversation with Mess and/or Klein.  I think he’s probably gonna bring in another “co” coordinator.  Defensively I wish they would’ve gone outside the program and taken the lumps last year vs using Klanderman but I understand why they did it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 10:29:14 AM
The real question is will Bill be able to calm the waters in another 3 or so years?
I use this question to trigger some friends.  They fly off the handle.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 10:30:42 AM
He should try to make Nathan Scheelhaase OC
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
Don't even care about scheme, just want the recruiting
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 17, 2021, 11:08:28 AM
Two weeks to prepare and that is what Klieman delivers? One the first snap, the defense can't even stop the almost sure thing play? Then a whole game of clusterfucks?
Got to be on the hot seat, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2021, 11:21:33 AM
He should try to make Nathan Scheelhaase OC

Unfortunately he makes nearly as much as messingham already
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 11:34:22 AM
We’ll be fine. That game was just a mess.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 17, 2021, 11:38:12 AM
Dana Dimel has UTEP at 6–1. Can he come calm the waters?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 11:42:58 AM
Dana Dimel has UTEP at 6–1. Can he come calm the waters?
People on here absolutely hated him too. Lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
The Mustang was never ever going to fail to give the Meadowlark at least 5 years no matter what.

I think you have to or you start looking like KU. He hasn’t had scandal or been like 1-11 levels bad so he will get 5 years.

Which is really how it should be for any football coach, barring sociopathic behavior or recruiting completely cratering.

Agree. You have to have some stability. Head coach has to be able to assemble a quality staff tho. He has to be able to get rid of underperforming assistants as well.

I don’t know what the payroll budget is for assistants, but you also gotta be able to pay for quality assistants.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 17, 2021, 12:54:01 PM
Mess can get lost.

However, no D-coordinator can scheme his way to victory with the lack of talent and depth we have on the defensive side of the football. Our LB corps is absolute dog crap. It's on the coaches for trying to convert a QB, safety, and playing folks who have no business being on the field at a P5 level.  Our secondary is forced to play in the box because our LBs can't make a tackle. Our D-line, obviously, has been obliterated by injuries.

We have a recruiting problem and Kliegoober has demonstrated he is no better than Snyder in this department. His seat is going to get toasty if next week looks anything like this week.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
Mess can get lost.

However, no D-coordinator can scheme his way to victory with the lack of talent and depth we have on the defensive side of the football. Our LB corps is absolute dog crap. It's on the coaches for trying to convert a QB, safety, and playing folks who have no business being on the field at a P5 level.  Our secondary is forced to play in the box because our LBs can't make a tackle. Our D-line, obviously, has been obliterated by injuries.

We have a recruiting problem and Kliegoober has demonstrated he is no better than Snyder in this department. His seat is going to get toasty if next week looks anything like this week.

Yeah, our edge rush is non existent since Duke and Co. went down. The rare push we get is on the interior, and we often don’t have anyone setting the edge so mobile QBs either get a nice pocket or scramble outside and have time to make a play.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
I still think a Mess offense can still be effective in the B12, but they have to be willing to run the QB 12-15 times a game. If you aren’t willing to do that, then you better be able to recruit much better.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 17, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
I still think a Mess offense can still be effective in the B12, but they have to be willing to run the QB 12-15 times a game. If you aren’t willing to do that, then you better be able to recruit much better.

Sky has no business playing with his injury in an offense that needs the QB run. He can’t be asked to do it, but the rest of the QB room is a mess & we have no other option. We have a HC with a $15M buyout whose plan for QB next year is transfer portal roulette.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 17, 2021, 02:18:48 PM
klieman, taylor, and whoever hired taylor all need to be dismissed
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 17, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
It always comes down to Renz.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
Gonna need to transfer portal hard for a QB.

MoValley Messingham probably isn’t a QB magnet right now. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 17, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
klieman, taylor, and whoever hired taylor all need to be dismissed

Might need a separate thread for these folks.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 17, 2021, 03:24:59 PM
 How long will "the streak" continue?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 17, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
If ku is removed from the conference, does fuckhead ever win another league game?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: fatdamon on October 17, 2021, 04:19:46 PM
i'm not sure ol' potato face is long for qhuatland
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 17, 2021, 04:24:59 PM
if we can't fire him because of money or whatever, we have to at least place him on the hot seat.  our dignity as a university demands it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 17, 2021, 04:31:11 PM
Don't fire Fh, just have him stay home and mail him his checks.  Get Gruden or Orgeron to coach for free as image rehab projects while they're already collecting paid from gigs they just lost.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 07:26:31 PM
He should try to make Nathan Scheelhaase OC

I hate him but this is a goddamned great idea that Jamie Pollard would never allow to happen.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 07:36:58 PM
I have a feeling he will be our coach for 2 or 3 more years.

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1449551577321127936?s=20

First of all, there are very few programs that should be firing coaches after three years without scandal or an overwhelming number of losses. I don't know how many times this has to go poorly, in how many different places for athletic directors to get it. I'm glad Gene understands that hiring and firing coaches from the fickle nature of message boards and social media.

That being said, if Klieman doesn't end up working out, the timing of him getting gassed after 5 or 6 years couldn't work out any better. Well be finishing up facility improvements, again, and we'll be strolling into a new Big 12 that doesn't have two programs recruiting 30-40 places higher than everyone else. We'll be much better positioned to get a guy than we were in 2018.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2021, 07:42:16 PM
Staff is toast without an overhaul


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
Staff is toast without an overhaul


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What are the issues with the staff that need to be fixed?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 07:52:13 PM
Staff is toast without an overhaul


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What are the issues with the staff that need to be fixed?
Defense has been pretty atrocious over the last two years.  Klanderman's seat should be pretty warm imo, same with Stanard, who was kind of a scramble hire anyway, iirc.  The interior DL is a bit of a concern.

I have fewer gripes about the offense, but we've got to find a way to address the WR room, which seems like it's been near the bottom of the conference in terms of talent for the duration of CK's tenure. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 08:09:45 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 08:15:13 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.
Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 08:15:54 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.
Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much
I'm in favor of this.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 08:19:49 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.
Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much
I'm in favor of this.

As a developmental program we have to be patient enough to see if their evaluation is good enough to build this program, we aren't there yet. Their first real class, the '20 class has had one spring in the program and it was just 6 months ago.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 08:51:12 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.
Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much
I'm in favor of this.

Yes. It’s why Klieman needs to be willing to cut bait on the underperforming assistants, and Gene needs to be willing to open up the budget enough to pay the kinds of guys that will bring in studs.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 08:52:22 PM
Yeah, the defense has been pretty bad for the last season and a half.  I agree the players are bad, and it's hard to judge scheme.  I think in year three (even with an abridged 2020), it's fair to start placing some of the responsibility of "the players are bad" on the coaches -- especially when recruiting doesn't seem to be on an upward trajectory -- and what we currently have is largely built on a patchwork of one year transfers.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:00:02 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?
From a 2018 article on OSU's rivals site:

Quote
If we take a look across the Big 12, Baylor and TCU weren’t listed as they’re private institutions, but Texas checks in at No. 1 as they pay their assistant coaches a combined $5,955,000 a year, Oklahoma at No. 2 with $5,465,040 a year, Oklahoma State at No. 3 with $4,150,000 a year, Kansas State at No. 4 with $3,599,000 a year, West Virginia at No. 5 with $3,447,575 a year, Texas Tech at No. 6 with $3,008,000 a year, Kansas at No. 7 with $3,002,299 a year and Iowa State No. 8 with $2,982,500 a year
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Wait so why couldn't we get Scheelhaase?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 09:08:05 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?
Oklahoma States lowest paid assistant coach makes 250k (after reductions due to COVID).  Roughly 800k for coordinators and 500k for senior assistants.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:16:17 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:17:15 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?
Oklahoma States lowest paid assistant coach makes 250k (after reductions due to COVID).  Roughly 800k for coordinators and 500k for senior assistants.

Yeah, I saw Hazelton is earning > $900k nowadays
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?
His defense at ODU does not look very good after a quick glance at their schedule. Do not know the context, but that seems like he made a bad career move
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:27:32 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?

Looks like he left on good terms. Took the DC job at Old Dominion, joining former Cats assistant HC Ricky Rahne.

Raine is earning just under $800k. He took over last year, but their season was cancelled. Seiler was a big part of WVU's recent recruiting surge.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:28:20 PM
ha, we're googling at the same time.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:33:04 PM
Is Rahne still a hot name in coaching these days?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 17, 2021, 09:36:45 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:45:30 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.

 :lol: :lol: 6 degrees of Blake Seiler . The following was posted in the movie thread ...

Watched Happy Valley on Netflix last night. Pretty well done. Good showcase of the Sandusky/Penn State fiasco from basically all angles. After watching, I can absolutely see the exact same thing playing out if it had been Snyder in Joe Pa's shoes. I'll just assume Snyder would have done more than "tell his boss" if someone saw Dimel or some longtime assistant playing check the oil with some teen in his private shower or something.


Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.

Don't know what prompted this. Posted in the Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread ...

If I ever said anything positive about Dimel as head coach ITT, just go ahead and strike that right from the record.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 09:50:09 PM
Dimel turned around one of lossiest programs in cfb and most of you wanted him fired years ago for feeding his kid the rock. Not sure who to listen to here.
UTEP got crushed by Boise State.  And didn’t we have like real problems with QB injuries when he was the OC year after year?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 17, 2021, 10:55:51 PM
Dimel’s juggernaut scored 7 points against Vanderbilt when we went there in 2017 or whatever. Happy for his and UTEP’s recent success. Feel zero percent bad about trashing him for his tenure here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ELL3 on October 17, 2021, 11:05:58 PM
When you approach futility of the Stan Parrish days, some people do question what the heck is going on. Evidently K-State is the only program impacted by Covid.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
When you approach futility of the Stan Parrish days, some people do question what the heck is going on. Evidently K-State is the only program impacted by Covid.
I think LSU had a ton of holdouts last year.  So I would say at least 2 schools.  And we are apparently the only one that won’t can our coach.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 11:39:00 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)
LBs are all healthy though.  They just stink.
Yes. And that's totally on the coaches but unless you're getting an ace recruiter I don't think a coordinator change will fix much
I'm in favor of this.

Yes. It’s why Klieman needs to be willing to cut bait on the underperforming assistants, and Gene needs to be willing to open up the budget enough to pay the kinds of guys that will bring in studs.

Who are the underperforming assistants and how are you measuring that?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 11:42:48 PM
Two questions: was Blake Seiler a good recruiter? And did he get fired at WVU?
His defense at ODU does not look very good after a quick glance at their schedule. Do not know the context, but that seems like he made a bad career move

It's a long term gig. Unless they are completely on some clown crap they will have that job for a very long time without getting fired. They are literally building that program from nothing. It seems to be low risk, high reward. They'll get all the time in the world to build ODU up, if they have success all of those coaches will get better jobs in no time.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?
From a 2018 article on OSU's rivals site:

Quote
If we take a look across the Big 12, Baylor and TCU weren’t listed as they’re private institutions, but Texas checks in at No. 1 as they pay their assistant coaches a combined $5,955,000 a year, Oklahoma at No. 2 with $5,465,040 a year, Oklahoma State at No. 3 with $4,150,000 a year, Kansas State at No. 4 with $3,599,000 a year, West Virginia at No. 5 with $3,447,575 a year, Texas Tech at No. 6 with $3,008,000 a year, Kansas at No. 7 with $3,002,299 a year and Iowa State No. 8 with $2,982,500 a year

Yeah, under Snyder 2.0 our coaches were very highly paid. It's somewhere on here but when we had co-offensive coordinators our assistant salaries were top 10 in the country. People hated our assistants then too.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 05:25:50 AM
Many of us liked Dimel!

https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38636.0

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2021, 07:21:38 AM
Dimel was fine until the Fullback vertical passing game entered the equation.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 10:35:37 AM
there's still an opportunity for this to be an overall positive season, but, feels unlikely. i could stomach the OSU game without Skylar but the overall lack of competitiveness in all three of the conf games so far is eye opening.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 18, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared... I had genuinely good feelings about the direction of the program

The last month they have looked slow, poorly coached, and hilariously unprepared... I currently do not have good feelings about the future under Klieman, but maybe that can change over the next month
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 18, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
there's still an opportunity for this to be an overall positive season, but, feels unlikely. i could stomach the OSU game without Skylar but the overall lack of competitiveness in all three of the conf games so far is eye opening.

The only path I see this to being a positive season is:
4 - 0 vs KU, WVU, TCU, Tech
1 - 1 (or better) vs BU and Texas
Bowl win against a good team.

Any combination that just gets us bowl eligible is a pretty meh season.

Any thing less than bowl eligible is a disaster.

I see a small chance of a "positive" season (5% or less) and about and equal chance of a "meh" or "disaster" season.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared..

yes. what happened to this? Stanford isn't good but they're not bad enough that the first game meant nothing.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:01:13 AM
Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared..

yes. what happened to this? Stanford isn't good but they're not bad enough that the first game meant nothing.

legitimately injuries plus we played three teams quite a bit better than Stanford
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2021, 11:02:07 AM
Stanford was also trying to figure out their QB situation so they probably played their worse game all year
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2021, 11:09:36 AM
It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games.  If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2021, 11:10:53 AM
3 more wins would show me that we are "not off track."  It wouldn't be success per se, but not reason for firing anyone, IMO.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2021, 11:13:43 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2021, 11:17:56 AM
Not sure what he did to earn this type of goodwill.  This team is not getting better and next season we are going to get pummeled.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games.  If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.

Which 4 teams?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:24:49 AM
It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games.  If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.

Which 4 teams?

IMO this is an optimistic (but somewhat realistic) possibility:

1-0 vs. @KU
2-1 vs. TCU/WVU/@TT
1-1 vs. BU/@UT
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:26:10 AM
Like I can see us beating TT, WVU, and Kansas and people expecting us to run the table and then melting down when we finish 1-2.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 18, 2021, 11:27:46 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 11:29:09 AM
Is TCU bad?  I can’t really see us winning more than 3 more and even that feels generous.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.

LOFL
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:34:20 AM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.

snyder after bye weeks:

2018: @OU: L 51-14
2017: BU: W @33-20
2016: @BU: W 42-21
2015: @OSU: L 34-36,
2015 Thursday game after a bye: BU L24-34, after the Thursday game @TT L 44-59

:dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 18, 2021, 11:34:29 AM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.

This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 11:36:55 AM
Is TCU bad?  I can’t really see us winning more than 3 more and even that feels generous.

they aren't great and we play them at home.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 11:50:22 AM
Baylor and UT look a lot better than we do at least from what I’ve seen.   I suppose any of the TCU/TTU/WVU games are winnable. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 11:51:33 AM
we're not beating UT and Baylor feels worse than a coin flip. 7-5 is the ceiling imo unfortunately.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 18, 2021, 11:54:53 AM
I'm not a fan of fuckhead, but they just played the top 3 ranked teams in the Big XII.  IIRC, Snyder didn't do very well against ranked teams either.  Hopefully, we're in for a surprise for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNation on October 18, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Pretty sure this coaching staff has never beaten WVU or Texas and maybe TCU? Too lazy to look, but seriously doubt we beat any of those teams this year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 12:01:53 PM
Pretty sure this coaching staff has never beaten WVU or Texas and maybe TCU? Too lazy to look, but seriously doubt we beat any of those teams this year.

Will Howard led the cats to victory against TCU on the road last season. They've come close enough to beating WVU that it isn't impossible.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 12:03:57 PM
but yeah I don't see any way we beat Texas the last game of the season. could maybe sneak an upset against them the first game of the year but not with our depth at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 18, 2021, 12:13:59 PM
but yeah I don't see any way we beat Texas the last game of the season. could maybe sneak an upset against them the first game of the year but not with our depth at the end of the year.

Yeah, they legit could've scored 100+ on us last year in the same situation.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 18, 2021, 12:34:44 PM
Texas is prob the only game we can't win.
KU is prob the only one we can't lose.
I think we find 2-3 more wins against the rest.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2021, 12:43:18 PM
Like I can see us beating TT, WVU, and Kansas and people expecting us to run the table and then melting down when we finish 1-2.

That seems about right to me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 18, 2021, 01:30:06 PM
Texas is prob the only game we can't win.
KU is prob the only one we can't lose.
I think we find 2-3 more wins against the rest.

I don't think its happening in any way, but just for fun, does he get fired if he loses to KU?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 18, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
Texas is prob the only game we can't win.
KU is prob the only one we can't lose.
I think we find 2-3 more wins against the rest.

I don't think its happening in any way, but just for fun, does he get fired if he loses to KU?

We owe him too much money. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 18, 2021, 01:43:47 PM
Gene wouldn't fire oscar because his buyout was $2 million. And Klieman's buyout doesn't get below $5mill for like 4 more years.

Kli will be here as long as Gene is. (if Gene gets canned, things could get interesting..but he won't)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 18, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
Gene wouldn't fire oscar because his buyout was $2 million. And Klieman's buyout doesn't get below $5mill for like 4 more years.

Kli will be here as long as Gene is. (if Gene gets canned, things could get interesting..but he won't)
I mean, we have a new president coming in (do we know anything about that)?  So I wouldn’t say Gene is 100% safe if both basketball and football remain lifeless.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
Not sure what he did to earn this type of goodwill. 

I'm gonna go with winning 8 games his first year with a roster that limped to 5 the year before. And not only won 8 but has some big, fun, wins. He's absolutely earned goodwill and it's ridiculous to think otherwise.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
Is TCU bad?

Very much so.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 18, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
Not sure what he did to earn this type of goodwill. 

I'm gonna go with winning 8 games his first year with a roster that limped to 5 the year before. And not only won 8 but has some big, fun, wins. He's absolutely earned goodwill and it's ridiculous to think otherwise.

thank you, i agree with this
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SHTexas on October 18, 2021, 02:41:53 PM
 :billdance:.........and then he infused his own players and he can’t win squat.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 02:44:53 PM
I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.

LOFL

I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the visitors we've been getting? I'm not going to pull the rivals profiles for these guys, you should do it. We're recruiting better high school players than we ever have in the history of the program. Will we land them  :dunno: but they are absolutely putting in the work.

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554479624359939?t=LuH0Bp77Y4W6klGWiaKHIg&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449553356679229443?t=4eNE5lhLrHyTZIu4zVFtnw&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449553725329129475?t=O3slIWApTEtwUag3TzkLqA&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554093010259969?t=ZO699djfjqXJCCm1DDBUFw&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449555106614108162?t=YCn2PiDb8_5YVMU1WnZM8g&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449555550275084292?t=wKnON4UrUzaEMc5UXz5Mlg&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449555971601321984?t=lP2B4tWCp-KlSzabou8UGA&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449556188929134595?t=QRvnCcJ4tXHLmAuJFvla-w&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449556993052659713?t=vBpxqK9al2E6sq2-zaRdeA&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449557664258797574?t=IHI17w5yja_WGNexpThtmA&s=19

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449558039590318083?t=XhCfvqNDtEkmg-8t1snKLQ&s=19
Look at that jacket  :love:

https://twitter.com/mudia_reuben/status/1449559146819371014?t=-_chsQW44xrKJsjEpLAimQ&s=19

Also I don't know who they were but there were some recruits in the west side K-State superstore, they were looking for that lavender quarter zip, like I was, one of them says to the other "are you going to wear burnt orange when you go to UT in a couple of weeks?" He answered, "eff naw."
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 18, 2021, 03:00:15 PM
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19

This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19

This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.

Believe it or not that’s the best recruit of them all
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2021, 03:33:12 PM
This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.
Great ruse.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 18, 2021, 03:36:41 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 03:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449554896936710144?t=Z6O3zIff6BotQ2Ouc6GNSg&s=19

This is clearly a fan who pulled off the classic ruse of getting a sports photojournalist credential.
:ROFL:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 04:03:15 PM
https://twitter.com/mudia_reuben/status/1449559146819371014?t=-_chsQW44xrKJsjEpLAimQ&s=19

wait a minute

(from the kstateo thread)

https://www.fanatics.com/college/kansas-state-wildcats/kansas-state-wildcats-nike-2021-team-sideline-performance-pullover-hoodie-black/o-38+t-34417943+p-269049830014+z-9-3922799302?_ref=p-TLP:m-GRID:i-r0c0:po-0

WOOF

Yeah, that's fugly
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
He covered it up with that hot ass letter jacket he somehow procured.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2021, 05:00:56 PM
i was looking back at the 2016-2019 classes that the legend pulled in.  For context, the 2017 class would be RS seniors this year (assuming no extra covid eligiblity year).  It makes a lot of sense that our roster mostly stinks.  Look at this list of 15 players, all from the same class.  I am an ardent follower of K-State football, and I didn't recognize a single one of these names:

Tevita Fehoko;
Daron Bowles;
Gervarrius Owens;
Isaiah Stewart;
Danny Walker;
Cornelius Ruff;
Xavier Davis;
Spencer Misko;
Josh Brown;
Anthony Payne;
Bill Kuduk;
Bernard Goodwater;
Tancey Richardson;
Antonio Oliver;
Aiden Mills
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 05:10:59 PM
i was looking back at the 2016-2019 classes that the legend pulled in.  For context, the 2017 class would be RS seniors this year (assuming no extra covid eligiblity year).  It makes a lot of sense that our roster mostly stinks.  Look at this list of 15 players, all from the same class.  I am an ardent follower of K-State football, and I didn't recognize a single one of these names:

Tevita Fehoko;
Daron Bowles;
Gervarrius Owens;
Isaiah Stewart;
Danny Walker;
Cornelius Ruff;
Xavier Davis;
Spencer Misko;
Josh Brown;
Anthony Payne;
Bill Kuduk;
Bernard Goodwater;
Tancey Richardson;
Antonio Oliver;
Aiden Mills

that's pretty wild. I'm gonna google some of these dudes.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 18, 2021, 05:25:45 PM

https://twitter.com/galloway__drew/status/1449553356679229443?s=21


not avery johnson
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2021, 05:31:34 PM
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/tevita-fehoko/1352 <-Juco but no stats and no record of him anywhere else on the first page of google
https://wingatebulldogs.com/sports/football/roster/daron-bowles/9897 (also juco but playing at wingate?)
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/college-football/nfl-draft/player/40367/gervarrius-owens (juco, signed w/ Minnesota, released by Minnesota, playing at Houston)
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/isaiah-stewart/1364 (no idea what happened)
https://niuhuskies.com/sports/football/roster/danny-walker/4729 (not sure if he ever made it to campus or recorded a stat at Northern Illinois)
https://wusports.com/sports/football/roster/cornelius-ruff/6154
https://www.bringonthecats.com/2017/5/28/15706364/98-days-to-2017-kickoff-xavier-davis (looks like a good recruit but no idea what happened to him?)
https://www.instagram.com/spencermisko/?hl=en I think he will graduate but not as a member of the football team
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/videos/_/id/212015/josh-brown (no idea)
https://missouristatebears.com/sports/football/roster/anthony-payne/6238
https://kentstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/bill-kuduk/12266
https://pvpanthers.com/sports/football/roster/bernard-goodwater-iii/5108
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/news/richardson-departs-the-k-state-class
https://nmstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/antonio-oliver/8277

finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing football

(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 05:33:24 PM
How many players from the 2019 class still here?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2021, 05:47:01 PM
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing football

(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
lol what a baller.

it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors.  When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix). 

Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State.  Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).

2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.

Crazy.  Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU.  I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort.  If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing football

(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
lol what a baller.

it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors.  When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix). 

Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State.  Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).

2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.

Crazy.  Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU.  I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort.  If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.



How many LB’s we got from the 2020 class still? DT’s?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 18, 2021, 06:15:22 PM
finally, Aiden Mills appears to still be at KSU but not playing football

(https://i.imgur.com/ipVlAaa.png)
lol what a baller.

it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors.  When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix). 

Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State.  Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).

2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.

Crazy.  Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU.  I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort.  If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.

I put those same pieces together Saturday during the game as well. Even posted about it on the BotC game thread hitting on the same points. We are suffering from COVID from both the injury/barely able to field a team issues last year as well as even while we have multiple super-seniors they aren’t of a quality that really makes a difference that we ‘get’ them for another year. On top of that, our best recruit in years didn’t play a down last year in HS so we’re suffering coming and going.

Teams like Kentucky, Iowa State and others are having a banner year riding the fruits of a relatively untouched 2020 year along with decent to good SSrs.  Many of those teams are likely to have a steep drop back down to their median next year however.   Conversely, I’m quietly optimistic about next year for us.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 18, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Pastore looks like a 35 year old 7th grade social studies teacher. I'm rooting for him.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Pastore looks like a 35 year old 7th grade social studies teacher. I'm rooting for him.

Those in the know say he is easily the best lineman we have recruited in the Klieman era.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 18, 2021, 07:13:34 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.

This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.

Yep. Snyder 2.0 understood this, special teams (still pretty good aside from some missed FGs this year), and the need to run the QB. If you aren’t going to get the horses, this crap is mega important.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on October 18, 2021, 07:27:21 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.

This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.

Yep. Snyder 2.0 understood this, special teams (still pretty good aside from some missed FGs this year), and the need to run the QB. If you aren’t going to get the horses, this crap is mega important.

Saying OSU, OU and ISU played cleanly is certainly an interesting take

Edit:  quoted the wrong post but I’m too lazy to edit more than this
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 09:12:55 AM
it's a little comforting to know that one reason we may be terrible is that a good portion of what should be our RS Senior class was chalk full of guys who never played a down for k-state, let alone became significant contributors.  When you look back at the '20 class (Klieman's first full one), there's at least 7 high school guys who have played quite a few meaningful snaps so far for k-state (matlack, deuce, howard, Felix, TJ, Panser, Tee), and at least two who legit could make second team all-conference players as early as this year (deuce, felix). 

Here's something else, Skylar Thompson is the last QB Snyder recruited that took snaps for K-State.  Everyone else he recruited either transferred or switched positions (or was never really a QB to begin with).

2016: Thompson;
2017: Sammy Wheeler;
2018: Levi Archer, Holcombe;
2019: Chris Herron.

Crazy.  Anyway, between Snyder's twilight recruiting and the '19 class falling apart (which i don't really blame Klieman much for), it's not really any wonder why our team looks outclassed against squads like OSU/OU/ISU.  I know MIR made this point last night, but looking at the 2017-2019 classes gave me a weird sense of comfort.  If CK continues to recruit at the level he did in '20, it stands to reason that our roster will get progressively (on the whole) over the next few years.

another dlew post in the "i needed this" column
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 19, 2021, 09:43:29 AM
I think just about any coach at a non-blue blood needs probably 5 seasons to build and develop their roster/program these days, as long as they're not a complete crap show in all aspects.

Klieman ain't going anywhere, but having an 8th year QB in your 3rd season, I think we need to see some positives to end the year or jimmies will be rustled.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 10:02:42 AM
CK will absolutely get 5 years and probably 6. 

QB-hope rubely pans out
LB-WTF but way more about the last staff
WR-Garber and RJ???
TE-Complete Shlt show 

They've done a decent job in other places. Felix and Duke showed to be game wreckers, sucks to lose Boom and Duke, most teams would struggle losing their best DL.
RB-Great
OL-Seems to be pretty darn good.
DB's-Not getting any help by not getting any pressure, but I feel like they are mostly in the right places.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 10:15:24 AM
CK will absolutely get 5 years and probably 6. 

QB-hope rubely pans out
LB-WTF but way more about the last staff
WR-Garber and RJ???
TE-Complete Shlt show 

They've done a decent job in other places. Felix and Duke showed to be game wreckers, sucks to lose Boom and Duke, most teams would struggle losing their best DL.
RB-Great
OL-Seems to be pretty darn good.
DB's-Not getting any help by not getting any pressure, but I feel like they are mostly in the right places.
WRs I think are going to get figured out. As far as underclassmen go, Garber, Garcia, Travis have all been spoken pretty highly of.  Garber has gotten quite a bit of PT this season.  Decent chance of landing Reuben.  Not a horrible underclassmen core.

DT and LB are the biggest roster concerns moving forward, imo. 
 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 10:23:16 AM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450473163322707980?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on October 19, 2021, 12:23:58 PM
Can't blame Gene for anything he said.  He said what he's supposed to say.  Nothing else he can say.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
Can't blame Gene for anything he said.  He said what he's supposed to say.  Nothing else he can say.

I especially liked that he said "bitch"
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 19, 2021, 12:51:08 PM
Actually he said bitching.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
oh no

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1450519895846838277?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 01:17:52 PM
oh no

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1450519895846838277?s=20

Obviously a call out to oscar
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Also, who's been negative?

Fitz must be talking shlt
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 01:20:54 PM
also gives some credence to the old "If we as fans are overlooking the game..."
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
gonna need to check the tape of this interaction
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 19, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
that's not good
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 01:37:03 PM
lol @ the KSO meltdown (haven't watched the clip yet because on a call)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 19, 2021, 01:41:24 PM
oh no

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1450519895846838277?s=20
Just watched it, awkward at the press conference but he was talking about out how 18 to 22 year olds read the headlines.  It’s a nothing burger, but obviously it’s a no no for Alabama or Texas coaches.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 19, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
meh

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: _33 on October 19, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
I agree that media covering college sports should generally be positive toward players and direct most negativity toward coaches.  That being said, I don't think the media covering K-State sports has a negativity problem.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 19, 2021, 01:49:26 PM
Headline writers and schedule-makers are rough ridin' over the 'cats.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 19, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
Kstatesports should hire that Bills photojournalist to be a KSU fan.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 19, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
I was waiting for one of the writers there to apologize with that silence.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 01:53:30 PM
I’d love to see someone produce a single piece of negative media from those that cover kstate during the Klieman era
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 19, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
I think the writers should all get together and send him a giant, industrial-size tub of cottage cheese, complete with a bow and an "I'm sorry" card.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 02:11:09 PM
i don't really think the comment was as bad as smellis' tweet implied.  it's not great, but it's also not that bad.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 19, 2021, 02:11:43 PM
I’d love to see someone produce a single piece of negative media from those that cover kstate during the Klieman era

Yeah, this is a big yikes from me. Maybe it wasn't the best idea to add a huge buyout to a former D2 coach that thinks the Manhattan KS media is a bunch of meanies.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 19, 2021, 02:25:04 PM
meh

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
I don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question? 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 02:27:59 PM
meh

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
I don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
Yeah - question was basically: given how much you talked about how close the team was over the offseason, how are they reacting to the adversity they're facing?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 19, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
I think it sounds pathetic. But who cares?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 19, 2021, 02:53:12 PM
meh

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
I don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
Yeah - question was basically: given how much you talked about how close the team was over the offseason, how are they reacting to the adversity they're facing?
meh, smellis making a mountain out of a mole
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 19, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
He can say whatever he wants.  But the tiny Kstate media coverage relative to blue bloods is softball city.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 19, 2021, 03:05:26 PM
K-State is probably in the bottom 5-10 of all power 5 teams in terms of difficulty in navigating the media landscape.

There's also a big difference in Klieman saying that players dealing with negativity in the media, social media, etc. is tough for a college student athlete to handle (very true) and outright asking members of the media to help by not being negative.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 03:05:51 PM
meh

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1450532413289873410?s=20
I don't see anything wrong with this but was this in response to a question?
Yeah - question was basically: given how much you talked about how close the team was over the offseason, how are they reacting to the adversity they're facing?
meh, smellis making a mountain out of a mole

I see what you did here, well done.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: _33 on October 19, 2021, 03:10:13 PM
I'm torn because I don't think Klieman is doing well so I'd love to crush him for this, but I also hate how sports media victimizes themselves every time they believe someone has questioned their integrity and want them to shut up.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 19, 2021, 04:59:08 PM
i don't really think the comment was as bad as smellis' tweet implied.  it's not great, but it's also not that bad.

Don't forget he's a rough ridin' squawk. :flush:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 19, 2021, 05:04:39 PM
Goal #5. Be Tough. MENTALLY and physically.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 05:28:00 PM
meh. I feel like he's trying to send a message to his team through the media and it got away from him a little bit. Wasn't great but who cares. It's not like he made a murder joke on national television after killing two people.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 19, 2021, 05:48:58 PM
meh. I feel like he's trying to send a message to his team through the media and it got away from him a little bit. Wasn't great but who cares. It's not like he made a murder joke on national television after killing two people.
agreed. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 06:06:24 PM
I peaked at KSO and loved the meltdown. some of those folks need to get a grip, but I enjoyed the entertainment.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
I disagree that 18-22 kids can’t handle negativity
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 19, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on October 19, 2021, 06:52:07 PM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434

Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on October 19, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

He's never coached with players that were not as talented as his opponent, has he? At NDSU, they just lined up and ran it down people's throat with better players.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 07:10:29 PM


Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

He's never coached with players that were not as talented as his opponent, has he? At NDSU, they just lined up and ran it down people's throat with better players.

I mean he coached games against P5 teams with decent success
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 07:20:09 PM
The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU.   He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2021, 07:26:32 PM
The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU.   He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick.
I believe that. They were great recruiters at NDSU. It should have translated better here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 07:33:40 PM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434

Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?

Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434

Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?

Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
I would imagine there’s a reason that highly touted kids end up at mizzou and it’s not that drinko is some recruiting phenom


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on October 19, 2021, 08:03:53 PM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434

Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?

Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
I would imagine there’s a reason that highly touted kids end up at mizzou and it’s not that drinko is some recruiting phenom


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Was the gap really that wide between the Big 12 and SEC before OU and UT became a bunch of bitches?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2021, 08:21:07 PM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434

Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?

Who has excused Klieman's recruiting? I'd certainly be concerned about Drinkwitz's ability to coach his talent.
I would imagine there’s a reason that highly touted kids end up at mizzou and it’s not that drinko is some recruiting phenom


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Was the gap really that wide between the Big 12 and SEC before OU and UT became a bunch of bitches?

he’s talking bout money, honey
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bucket on October 19, 2021, 08:29:14 PM
 :surprised:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 09:28:19 PM
I don't buy that for a second and yes, the gap in recruiting between the SEC and everyone else has been and will continue to be that broad. Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, and every other mediocre SEC school has a leg up on players the top tier schools don't want, the same way Big 12 schools battled through the 90's and 00's for Texas and Oklahoma recruits that didn't go to UT, OU, and A&M. If you're the 8th best guard from Mississippi are you more likely to play for Missouri, Iowa State, or Colorado?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
This, also is why coaches need, now more than ever, to be dynamite evaluators instead of just grabbing rivals stars. This staff has been, I'm comfortable with saying incredible, with evaluating top tier talent early, they just need to get better at landing these kids they are finding before everyone else does.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 19, 2021, 09:59:11 PM
I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.

This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.

Yep. Snyder 2.0 understood this, special teams (still pretty good aside from some missed FGs this year), and the need to run the QB. If you aren’t going to get the horses, this crap is mega important.

Saying OSU, OU and ISU played cleanly is certainly an interesting take

Edit:  quoted the wrong post but I’m too lazy to edit more than this

They pretty much did, 5 TO vs 1 combined in those 3 games, 1 of them returned for a TD, 1 ended the opening drive vs OU that basically changed the game/was the game, and 1 vs ISU that stopped a team that finally looked to get it's footing.

Penalties were basically even between all 3 teams, but we by far get penalized big in big situations (thinking about the back to back personal fouls vs OSU on their second drive that allowed them to go up 14-10). Not to mention all 3 QBs we faced basically played perfect games, where Howard sucked balls and Lewis did a lil better for OSU, Skylar had a pretty good game vs OU, and a meh game vs ISU. Basically, we just never got anything together in all 3 games and/or blew huge opportunities that make the difference, and quite simply put OSU, OU, and ISU didn't.

Snyder teams at least would cut those penalties down, and turnovers. All those add up in the end, so it doesn't surprise me that a roughly equal talented k-state team is losing games now vs Snyder just based on those results.

That being said I do like Klieman's more loose play style, in that he doesn't seem to mind mixing it up more often or throwing guys in to see what will happen, the more in general aggressive defense and tendency to take risks and be comfortable with it. Those however are offset with lack of discipline, and sometimes getting too stuck in the game plan and not being willing to ditch something that isn't working.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 19, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
I don't buy that for a second and yes, the gap in recruiting between the SEC and everyone else has been and will continue to be that broad. Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, and every other mediocre SEC school has a leg up on players the top tier schools don't want, the same way Big 12 schools battled through the 90's and 00's for Texas and Oklahoma recruits that didn't go to UT, OU, and A&M. If you're the 8th best guard from Mississippi are you more likely to play for Missouri, Iowa State, or Colorado?
This is what I was getting at.

And taking kids with stars and maybe skirting the evals


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 20, 2021, 01:16:10 AM
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1450606448405266434

Why should we excuse Klieman's recruiting again?


COVID.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2021, 08:30:02 AM
I wonder if CK thinks gE is party of the media and he keeps hearing about this "Fire Chris Klieman" thread getting bumped every week.  :Keke:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 20, 2021, 08:52:51 AM
I wonder if CK thinks gE is party of the media and he keeps hearing about this "Fire Chris Klieman" thread getting bumped every week.  :Keke:

Maybe we should be the ones sending him the "I'm sorry" tub of cottage cheese.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 20, 2021, 08:55:12 AM
The bag man lives strong in the SEC.  It’s 1000% fact.  As he does in other areas.  That dumbass Jeremy Pruitt got caught doing stuff the bag men do.

Throughout the South the HS’s recruit, football coaches make $150k or more and drive courtesy cars from the local dealerships.  Parents rent extended stay hotel rooms and address their kid out of the hotel for football.  I digress.

Kli needs to get the coffee pots brewing and close some deals. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 20, 2021, 09:06:25 AM
it's a quote that looks bad on twitter, especially when you spin it like squawk eff head Kellis (i like Kellis, whatever).

watch the entire press conference. Klieman isn't a coach making excuses, his messages are perfectly acceptable, he remains likeable and I want him to succeed and think he can long term.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 20, 2021, 09:32:00 AM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2021, 09:39:58 AM
it's a quote that looks bad on twitter, especially when you spin it like squawk eff head Kellis (i like Kellis, whatever).

watch the entire press conference. Klieman isn't a coach making excuses, his messages are perfectly acceptable, he remains likeable and I want him to succeed and think he can long term.
Sounds like he's talking about all of us when he says "we". Nick Leckey loved it this morning on 810, so my thoughts on it are confirmed.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2021, 09:44:46 AM
The bag man lives strong in the SEC.  It’s 1000% fact.  As he does in other areas.  That dumbass Jeremy Pruitt got caught doing stuff the bag men do.

Throughout the South the HS’s recruit, football coaches make $150k or more and drive courtesy cars from the local dealerships.  Parents rent extended stay hotel rooms and address their kid out of the hotel for football.  I digress.

Kli needs to get the coffee pots brewing and close some deals. 

I think there is a bump the SEC brings to mizzou now that UT and OU are going there but if you look at the recruiting trajectory from when they joined to the 2021 and 2022 classes something has drastically changed.  Maybe new guy is just that much better at recruiting but I’m guessing they are playing more in the Gray areas than they used to.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PIPE on October 20, 2021, 11:12:40 AM
Our recruiting is just bad. Currently 75th per Rivals. Our best recruit is a white kid from El Dorado.....WOOF

We only need maybe 2-3 4 Stars per class with solid 3 stars and we can have a great chance.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 20, 2021, 11:19:00 AM
Kli is the guy but he's gotta get some jimmies and joes I think we can all agree on that
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2021, 11:20:05 AM
Our recruiting is just bad. Currently 75th per Rivals. Our best recruit is a white kid from El Dorado.....WOOF

We only need maybe 2-3 4 Stars per class with solid 3 stars and we can have a great chance.



We don’t have any commits from El Dorado.  Our best recruit is a OL from Colorado.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 20, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
Why does it matter what color the alleged el dorado guy is
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 20, 2021, 11:33:39 AM
why does it matter which city and st they are from?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 20, 2021, 11:52:38 AM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2021, 11:56:42 AM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....

I don’t agree at all, it’s just a function of having 12 recruits so far.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....

lol, no, we can't all agree to that. The eff you talking about?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 20, 2021, 12:09:23 PM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....

lol, no, we can't all agree to that. The eff you talking about?

I'm rough ridin' talking about having the #70 ranked recruiting class for 2022 right now. Snyder's worst during the second stint was in 2016 where he brought in the #72 ranked class. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 20, 2021, 12:21:04 PM
We can all agree that his recruiting is not trending well this year. This 2022 class is right on part with Snyder's worst class at our current clip. Hopefully, he can land some talent because he isn't going to scheme his way to victory any time soon....

lol, no, we can't all agree to that. The eff you talking about?

I'm rough ridin' talking about having the #70 ranked recruiting class for 2022 right now. Snyder's worst during the second stint was in 2016 where he brought in the #72 ranked class.
rivals said 2016 class was 80th.  either way, i'm not going to get that worked up about it...we're still a ways off from signing day(s) and with transfer stuff the way it is, we're comparing apples and oranges.  Class of 2020 is looking like it's going to turn out pretty well.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 20, 2021, 12:39:56 PM
Per 247, the average ranking of our 12 commits is 84.46 - worst average in the Big 12 (yes, even behind KU - though they only have 5 commits right now). Plenty of time to right the ship, but it's not exactly stellar at the moment.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: slackcat on October 21, 2021, 07:08:12 AM
Let the playmakers make plays and not micro manage the defense... gonna need to get used to this..

https://twitter.com/Pete_Francis/status/1136805330506145799?s=19

This hasn't aged well
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 07:25:20 AM
 :confused:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 08:29:23 AM
This isn't a Power 5 level staff for the weekly P5 grind.

But they'll get a pass because of the extreme dereliction of duty by the previous leader of K-State football in recruiting P5 talent.



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 21, 2021, 08:43:35 AM
This isn't a Power 5 level staff for the weekly P5 grind.

But they'll get a pass because of the extreme dereliction of duty by the previous leader of K-State football in recruiting P5 talent.

????

where is there precedent that indicates the staff will get a pass if the results aren't there?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 08:56:35 AM
Let the playmakers make plays and not micro manage the defense... gonna need to get used to this..

https://twitter.com/Pete_Francis/status/1136805330506145799?s=19

This hasn't aged well
Yeah which part hasn't aged well? 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 09:09:28 AM
This isn't a Power 5 level staff for the weekly P5 grind.

But they'll get a pass because of the extreme dereliction of duty by the previous leader of K-State football in recruiting P5 talent.

????

where is there precedent that indicates the staff will get a pass if the results aren't there?

Oh, they won't get a pass in some circles.

But the simple fact is the Fargo Progressive Dinner Club that's taken over our athletic department is going to be cashing K-State checks for many years to come.   Gene gave his guy a huge buyout and so nothing is going to change.   

While we don't have tax shelters, personal loans, huge payments to LLC's for simply doing their job and contracts on napkins (that we know of) . . . this little fiefdom that Gene has set up is just as tidy on many levels.


Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 09:16:30 AM
whether he "gets a pass" from people or not, his buyout is too large to even consider firing him until at least 2025. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
whether he "gets a pass" from people or not, his buyout is too large to even consider firing him until at least 2025.

Maybe we'll win a conference game by then. (been a whole year already, LOFL)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 09:27:10 AM
I can't wait for him to win this week, so you all can stfu about the conference losing streak. He lost to 3 top 25 teams in a row this year and lost 5 in a row last year after losing his senior QB and played a true freshman at QB that got zero spring ball due to the pandemic and barely knew the playbook, but lets don't discuss semantics. Rage on.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 09:27:49 AM
Gene was incredibly short-sighted. All signs indicate Gene drafted up the extension after we knocked off OU last year. The week prior we lost in embarrassing fashion to Arkansas State. However, a winning record in 2019 and knocking off OU twice was enough to convince Gene we needed to lock him down. It's so small-timey. We hadn't even had a real chance to see how he recruits yet we committed to an extension without knowing jack crap about what he could do with this own players and culture.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
I can't wait for him to win this week, so you all can stfu about the conference losing streak. He lost to 3 top 25 teams in a row this year and lost 5 in a row last year after losing his senior QB and played a true freshman at QB that got zero spring ball due to the pandemic and barely knew the playbook, but lets don't discuss semantics. Rage on.

Goal #5.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 09:33:39 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
Probably purple apathy and stupid fitz
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
Some people thought it was a bit premature.  I thought it was fine.  Buyout is a little steep for me, but what're ya gonna do.

Gene taking a personal raise mid-pandemic ruffled my feathers quite a bit more.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
When is Myers retiring?  I was thinking there would be more smoke around the hiring of a new UP by now.   
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: slackcat on October 21, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 09:53:15 AM
Insofar as the contract for Kli, I don't think anyone had that big of a problem with the extension and pay increase, but the buyout was a little steep for a guy with virtually no track record at the Power 5 level.   











Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
I think anyone with a memory longer longer than one week questioned it to a certain degree.  Once again, the real problem with the extension is that we had little to no insight on his true ability to recruit at that point.  To me, that was the big risk Gene took and we are paying for it now and will continue to pay for it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on October 21, 2021, 09:56:19 AM
When is Myers retiring?  I was thinking there would be more smoke around the hiring of a new UP by now.   

From what I heard, they've just about got the search committee together.  That process isn't going anywhere soon
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 09:59:51 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now.  Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough. 

I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke).  Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt.  Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
I think what was upsetting to me is that we didn’t appear to try and match Hazelton’s salary (yet Klieman gets a raise). I think this year probably looks different if he’s the coordinator.  But someone had suggested that we started to talk about the 3-3-5 when hazelton was here and that could have been another reason he wasn’t staying.  All guesses but an interesting thought either way.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now.  Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough. 

I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke).  Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt.  Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.

Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 10:06:48 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now.  Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough. 

I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke).  Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt.  Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.

Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
I guess when he's responsible for most of the roster.  I'm not really going to hold his feet to the fire too much for the '19 class, given that he didn't even start until midish december.

From the early returns, the '20 class looks great.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 10:08:15 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now.  Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough. 

I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke).  Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt.  Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.

Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?

It should start now and ramp up by next year if things aren't trending.   They've really got to nail it this year and in the transfer portal. 

Don't pay any attention to the usual suspects who rage out at every perceived slight of K-State.    Real world discussion about the factual realities are going on here.

I again will note the total failure of the previous staff and head coach to properly recruit at the Power 5 level, but we're rapidly approaching the period when this staff fully owns that process. 



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 10:09:34 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now.  Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough. 

I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke).  Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt.  Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.

Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?

It should start now and ramp up by next year if things aren't trending.   They've really got to nail it this year and in the transfer portal. 

Don't pay any attention to the usual suspects who rage out at every perceived slight of K-State.    Real world discussion about the factual realities are going on here.

I again will note the total failure of the previous staff and head coach to properly recruit at the Power 5 level, but we're rapidly approaching the period when this staff fully owns that process.
FWIW, I will say that the losses on the recruiting trail are disappointing and concerning.  But they lost plenty in '20 too, and given the quick progression of guys like Hadley Panser, I kind of trust this staff to be able to scramble if they need to.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
It could be worse guys, KU has had the bad luck in playing the top 9 conference teams for several years in a row now.

(trigger warning for wacky: I'm joking)

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I'm good. :cheers: :cheers: I'm happy I'm a sensible fan. I got too worked up over this crap in my 20's. Now I go off the eye test. Kli has it. He'll be fine.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 10:38:30 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.

Yes, it absolutely infuriated everyone on the academic side of the university (WGAF though right?), and a significant amount of people within the AD (everyone making 100k+ was working at a discount last year)

If you're talking about the fanbase, the smart ones weren't happy about it, especially the optics of it all.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 21, 2021, 11:02:38 AM
In case anyone wants to lookup buyouts for comparision.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 21, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
For what we're getting, better the 25th highest buyout than the 25th highest salary.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
Probably purple apathy and stupid fitz

I thought it was weird and unnecessary at the time but didn't really look into enough to see what the buyout was. Had I known or realized that we gave a D2 coach an enormous buyout for no reason at all other than his pal gave it to him, I prob would have complained.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
Will you stop being a dumbass and calling him a D2 coach? It's very idiotic and annoying, which is probably what you're going for, or you're just ignorant and stupid. Either way, it's dumb.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2021, 11:35:56 AM
When is Myers retiring?  I was thinking there would be more smoke around the hiring of a new UP by now.   

From what I heard, they've just about got the search committee together.  That process isn't going anywhere soon

God I hope we don’t eff this up again
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 11:46:43 AM
Will you stop being a dumbass and calling him a D2 coach? It's very idiotic and annoying, which is probably what you're going for, or you're just arrogant and stupid. Either way, it's dumb.

Yup, it's called FCS.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 11:48:17 AM
I'm OK with calling him a D2 coach FWIW
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
was anyone complaining about the extension at the time it was announced? I think people were wondering why it was done during the pandemic budget crunch but was anyone really upset? seriously don't remember.
Probably purple apathy and stupid fitz

I thought it was weird and unnecessary at the time but didn't really look into enough to see what the buyout was. Had I known or realized that we gave a D2 coach an enormous buyout for no reason at all other than his pal gave it to him, I prob would have complained.  :dunno:

Again, the Fargo Progressive Dinner Club has taken over our athletic department and it's just buds payin buds here.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
I'm OK with calling him a D2 coach FWIW
Because you like being a smart ass?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
Will you stop being a dumbass and calling him a D2 coach? It's very idiotic and annoying, which is probably what you're going for, or you're just ignorant and stupid. Either way, it's dumb.

Yup, it's called FCS.
Yup and before that, it was D1-AA. Stop acting like we just hired a coach from Washburn.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 21, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
D2
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 12:16:59 PM
I'm OK with calling him a D2 coach FWIW
Because you like being a smart ass?

perhaps
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Sorry Wacky, I wasn't even being a smart ass, I had no idea which not real CFB division he was in before. I'll stop being mean to you, I'm sure CK will be the only other guy besides Harbaugh and Tressel to survive D1 CFB. I really hope we can add his name to that extremely tiny list that should really only include Tressel because Harbaugh was a known commodity and had that as an advantage. Plus, I can guarantee, CK will do it "the right way" as opposed to Tressel who was a huge dirtbag cheater coach, which will make our future championships even more glorious.

Go Cats
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 12:28:36 PM
He's Double A, guys.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
 :dunno: Facts matter, jerks.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 21, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
Klieman has to lose at least 2 more games this season for me to get worked up about him at all. He's great until that happens. Then, he's toast.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 21, 2021, 01:19:09 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.

I respect the passion.  Just wish he was on team #firekliegoober.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 01:23:28 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.
:curse: :lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 01:50:26 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.

I respect the passion.  Just wish he was on team #firekliegoober.

I don't think he should be fired yet at all, I just can't believe we gave him a buyout that is higher than Mario Cristobol's and "lots" of other coaches. That is just bonkers. He coached at a D1 however many A's school forever and then took at job in KS to work for his buddy. Where the hell did they think he was going to run off to?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 02:16:47 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: kstate4life on October 21, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......

One had an NFL QB, the other...
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 21, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU.   He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick.
I believe that. They were great recruiters at NDSU. It should have translated better here.

Agreed to a point, I think branding and the tradition helps a lot. I'd imagine at FCS level you're essentially writing off the top of the top guys since they go D1 so you're got to be good at finding guys who are going to be good but are going to be passed over, which it appears (and many of remarked) he's been good at identifying talent early.

I think the bigger miss so far is he's from a school that basically was/is the Alabama of the FCS, and while I'm sure Saban works hard to recruit, once you got that type of system set up it's not like you gotta try too hard "wanna win a championship" is a pretty damn easy sell to big time recruits, and it's not like Saban was told "no" a lot. I think he's probably really a bit having to get that built up being thrown into the middle of the pack, not slotted in at the top.

Hopefully he is able to start getting more yesses rather than noes and eventually it straightens itself out.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 02:21:41 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......

6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 21, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......

6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.

Here's the numbers at their same points in time, respectively:

https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/1449565518915010564
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 21, 2021, 02:30:31 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......



6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.

Well, they both do have a 6 in them so they are like 50% the same.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 02:30:39 PM


The rumblings were they were a bit taken back when they got here and started working players out how much less talent they were working with than at NDSU.   He got a dog crap roster and wasn’t talented enough of a recruiter to get it back to stocked very quick.
I believe that. They were great recruiters at NDSU. It should have translated better here.

Agreed to a point, I think branding and the tradition helps a lot. I'd imagine at FCS level you're essentially writing off the top of the top guys since they go D1 so you're got to be good at finding guys who are going to be good but are going to be passed over, which it appears (and many of remarked) he's been good at identifying talent early.

I think the bigger miss so far is he's from a school that basically was/is the Alabama of the FCS, and while I'm sure Saban works hard to recruit, once you got that type of system set up it's not like you gotta try too hard "wanna win a championship" is a pretty damn easy sell to big time recruits, and it's not like Saban was told "no" a lot. I think he's probably really a bit having to get that built up being thrown into the middle of the pack, not slotted in at the top.

He wasn't competing for top tier recruits, he was competing against lower-level FBS schools for recruits. And it's not like there's a magic dividing line between FCS and FBS and he just got all the best FCS recruits and none of the FBS ones. Evaluation and closing is also super important at that level because your best receipts can easily get snatched up by FBS.

I think the championship thing is a decent point but they still had to be great evaluators and closers to sustain what they did at NDSU and there's no reason that shouldn't have translated. (And I think it has to an extent with quite a few guys)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 02:39:45 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......

6-8 isn't very similar to 6-13.

Here's the numbers at their same points in time, respectively:

https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/1449565518915010564

The difference is KU, that's it. A very competitive KU changes these numbers for Ron and ended his time at K-State. A hilariously/historically bad KU will keep Kli around.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 02:42:42 PM
He also never beat MU and NU and went 0-9 vs his rivals. That will do it. And again, nobody was calling Prince after his first year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 02:49:34 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.

Gene wouldn't fire oscar w/ a $2mill buyout after the worst (close to it?) 2 year stretch in the history of our program.

Klieman isn't getting fired... probably ever by Gene (Gene would be fired before CK)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 03:05:08 PM
Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 21, 2021, 03:12:42 PM
He also never beat MU and NU and went 0-9 vs his rivals. That will do it. And again, nobody was calling Prince after his first year.

You have said this a few times and I'm genuinely asking. Who was calling for CK? Was there any real indication that he would even consider leaving? I can maybe see someone "calling" after his first year, because ADs always make "calls", but was there any real indication that he would ever take said "call"?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2021, 03:12:52 PM
Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.

You think one of our donors is going to pay 20 million to fire Klieman and his assistants and let Gene pick another replacement?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.

You think one of our donors is going to pay 20 million to fire Klieman and his assistants and let Gene pick another replacement?

I think we would find a way. The best case for Klieman would be Gene getting fired after that season and then he coaches a lame duck season next year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 03:19:51 PM
Our fans and donors care more about football than basketball, and Klieman's best season to date was the equivalent of making the NIT in basketball. He won't survive 1-5 vs Tech, KU, WVU, Baylor, TCU, and Texas. We haven't have a football team bad enough to do that since the 80s.

You think one of our donors is going to pay 20 million to fire Klieman and his assistants and let Gene pick another replacement?

I think we would find a way. The best case for Klieman would be Gene getting fired after that season and then he coaches a lame duck season next year.
Better hope they also donate money for good assistant salaries or we’ll continue down the MVC assistants.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 03:21:47 PM
He also never beat MU and NU and went 0-9 vs his rivals. That will do it. And again, nobody was calling Prince after his first year.

You have said this a few times and I'm genuinely asking. Who was calling for CK? Was there any real indication that he would even consider leaving? I can maybe see someone "calling" after his first year, because ADs always make "calls", but was there any real indication that he would ever take said "call"?
Michigan St. for sure. Rumors from big donors said Iowa was unsure what Ferentz wanted to do for a period, so they called to play grab ass with Kli's agent as well. Since Michigan St. got mushed by Kli, they stole our DC instead with their new hire.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 03:29:50 PM
I've said it before but I'll say it again: If Prince wasn't a maniac losing every game by 3+scores with a disastrous insane juco class and assistants leaving left and right, he probably would have stayed based on his record alone. 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, wasn't that bad based on Bill's two seasons prior.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 21, 2021, 03:33:04 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.

The curiosity would be if he loses his next 3.

From this point, here's RP's schedule:

L @ colorado
L vs oklahoma
L @ kansas
L @ missouri
L vs nebraska
W vs iowa state.

But if it was after that 3rd L that KSU informed him he was done at year-end. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
I've said it before but I'll say it again: If Prince wasn't a maniac losing every game by 3+scores with a disastrous insane juco class and assistants leaving left and right, he probably would have stayed based on his record alone. 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, wasn't that bad based on Bill's two seasons prior.

If you swap a KU win with someone else and his record remained the same each season, but he was 3-0 against KU, all the insanity would have been pushed aside and he probably would've been here a few more years.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 03:39:59 PM
Also, for note, since people keep thinking Klieman might actually get fired any time soon:

Buyout:
2022: 15.3 mil ($3.5 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
2023: 12.7 mil ($4 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
2024: 8.6 mil ($4.3 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)
2025: 4.3 mil ($4.3 mill salary + incentives/bonuses)

He's here through the life of this contract.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 03:42:02 PM
This is all going to be a moot point in 6 weeks
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
I've said it before but I'll say it again: If Prince wasn't a maniac losing every game by 3+scores with a disastrous insane juco class and assistants leaving left and right, he probably would have stayed based on his record alone. 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, wasn't that bad based on Bill's two seasons prior.

If you swap a KU win with someone else and his record remained the same each season, but he was 3-0 against KU, all the insanity would have been pushed aside and he probably would've been here a few more years.

I disagree
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
I mean, if Klieman loses his next 5 games, I don't think he will be the coach next season, and I really doubt anyone will think better of him than they do Prince.

The curiosity would be if he loses his next 3.

From this point, here's RP's schedule:

L @ colorado
L vs oklahoma
L @ kansas
L @ missouri
L vs nebraska
W vs iowa state.

But if it was after that 3rd L that KSU informed him he was done at year-end.

His next 3 are Tech, TCU, and Kansas. If he goes 0-3 in that stretch, he's going to finish 0-6. I would be disappointed with 2-1 in that stretch.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
If Ron would've lost his starting QB in 2007 and we had to roll through games with redshirt freshman CCQ through the rest of the year, I imagine his record would've been a lot worse.  It's not really CK's fault that Thompson was injured from a roughing the passer penalty last season and that his true freshman QB with no spring wasn't really much help.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
If Ron would've lost his starting QB in 2007 and we had to roll through games with redshirt freshman CCQ through the rest of the year, I imagine his record would've been a lot worse.  It's not really CK's fault that Thompson was injured from a roughing the passer penalty last season and that his true freshman QB with no spring wasn't really much help.

People bring this up a lot, but shouldn't Ron be given credit for recruiting Josh Freeman? It's not a knock that he was HIS QB. Klieman recruited Will Howard and he was forced to play. They are quarterbacks that each coach brought in. It shouldn't be another Klieman excuse, it's their job to bring in the best players they can.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2021, 04:20:02 PM
Kind of read that wrong. Gonna leave the post up, though, because, yeah
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 04:25:54 PM
Klieman's Freeman hasn't played a down yet. He's landed a comparable QB via Rivals rankings tho. That stories yet to be written.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2021, 04:44:40 PM
Who are KState's rivals these days?  Or does Klieman get pass because it's only KU now?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KCFDcat on October 21, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
 :Lurk:
Who are KState's rivals these days?  Or does Klieman get pass because it's only KU now?

KU and Iowas State?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 05:42:03 PM
The back to back posts of WC08 saying he used to get too worked up about this stuff in his 20s and now he's a happy sensible fan and then getting way too worked up about the DII vs FCS thing was very enjoyable.

I guess some people are cool with living in a post fact world.

The hilarious thing about the stupid D2 thing is the same people doing that are the same ones who creamed their britches about Seth LittreLL and it's funny that people say that to denigrate Klieman because North Texas always has been and probably always be a significantly worse program than NDSU. Good FCS schools are light years better than bad Sun Belt and CUSA schools.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 05:45:16 PM
I think it's dumb to compare them because I know first hand how much of a crap show Prince was and I still have some faith in CK, but it's pretty incredible how similarly their K-State tenures have trended so far.

Prince: Started 10-7 w/ 2 wins over UT, went 6-13 after (3-11 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games
Kli: Started 10-6 w/ 2 wins over OU, has gone 6-8 since (2-8 in conference), 0-1 in bowl games

Imagine if we would've given Prince an extension and $15mill buyout after that second UT win.......

Y'all gotta stop talking about that buyout, he got that buyout because when it was given it was apparent there was no conceivable scenario he was going to be fired for on the field results before 2023. That number could be $100 million and it wouldn't mean a single thing.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 06:00:22 PM
Who are KState's rivals these days?  Or does Klieman get pass because it's only KU now?

I think the other two rivals/measuring stick programs are ISU and OSU.

My question is though why do people keep comparing him to Ron? Why are we pretending the situations are even close to the same thing?

Are we going to act like the off the field stuff didn't get Ron fired, is that what we're now gonna do? If that's what we're doing that's some very convenient revisionist history, especially coming from this board who's second most popular thread o.a.t. was all about Ron and his program off of the field.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
He's the only other coach on our lifetimes that we can compare him to that's not LHC Bill Snyder.

With the caveat that I know that on field performance isn't everything, it's still the case that the on field performance isn't that different between the two, and it basically boils down to:

We no longer play two of our major rivals and KU is historically bad.

The only game we can lose that people will really care about is KU, and it never really mattered how good or bad they are. 

'Beat KU' is the only real requirement to be a coach at KSU.

And we're not that unique in that regard when it comes to rivalries.   
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2021, 08:05:31 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.
People will accept if they pay their dues at a G5 school first.

I think the argument for Klieman over most FCS coaches is that he easily had the best program at that level for many years. Obviously, the others that came up in recent memory can't claim that.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2021, 10:23:51 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.
People will accept if they pay their dues at a G5 school first.

I think the argument for Klieman over most FCS coaches is that he easily had the best program at that level for many years. Obviously, the others that came up in recent memory can't claim that.

Yeah, Tressel and Klieman are the only two coaches to have won 4 FCS titles in its history.

Small sample size shows major FCS success means little to a coach's FBS prospects.

FCS WINNING COACHES' FBS COACHING RESUMES
Jim Tressel (tOSU): 10 seasons, 106-22 (66-14), 1 natty, 7 conf titles, 10 bowls (8 BCS).
Paul Johnson (Navy, GT): Navy, 6 seasons, 45-29, 1 top-25 finish, 5 bowls. Georgia Tech, 11 seasons, 82-61 (51-37), 1 conference title, 1 top 10 finish, 3 top 25 finishes, 9 bowls (2 BCS).
Jim Donnan (Georgia): 5 seasons, 40-19 (25-15), 1 top 10 finish, 4 top 25 finishes, 4 bowls
Craig Bohl (Wyoming): 8 seasons, 42-46 (25-31), 3 bowls, 2 8-win seasons.
Chris Klieman (EMAW U): *3 seasons, 15-14 (9-12), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (8-5)
Joe Glenn (Wyoming): 6 seasons, 30-41 (15-31), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (7-5).
Mike London (Virginia): 6 seasons, 27-46 (14-34), 1 bowl, 1 8-win season.
Mike Houston (East Carolina): 3 seasons, 10-17 (5-13).

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 21, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Not perfect, but not earth shaking.  CK is just not ready for this.  When was the last time in his career he went through such a savage and prolonged ass kicking?

This is where I am. What was the quote when they were thinking of hiring him? I think it was like Jim Harbaugh and Jim Tressel were the only guys to have any real success at making the jump from divisions? At least we gave him a big extension and large buyout because "some Big 10 team called him once".
Why Brian Kelly is constantly left out of this conversation (not just here) blows my mind.
People will accept if they pay their dues at a G5 school first.

I think the argument for Klieman over most FCS coaches is that he easily had the best program at that level for many years. Obviously, the others that came up in recent memory can't claim that.

Yeah, Tressel and Klieman are the only two coaches to have won 4 FCS titles in its history.

Small sample size shows major FCS success means little to a coach's FBS prospects.

Jim Tressel (tOSU): 10 seasons, 106-22 (66-14), 1 natty, 7 conf titles, 10 bowls (8 BCS).
Paul Johnson (Navy, GT): Navy, 6 seasons, 45-29, 1 top-25 finish, 5 bowls. Georgia Tech, 11 seasons, 82-61 (51-37), 1 conference title, 1 top 10 finish, 3 top 25 finishes, 9 bowls (2 BCS).
Jim Donnan (Georgia): 5 seasons, 40-19 (25-15), 1 top 10 finish, 4 top 25 finishes, 4 bowls
Craig Bohl (Wyoming): 8 seasons, 42-46 (25-31), 3 bowls, 2 8-win seasons.
Chris Klieman (EMAW U): *3 seasons, 15-14 (9-12), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (8-5)
Joe Glenn (Wyoming): 6 seasons, 30-41 (15-31), 1 bowl, 1 winning season (7-5).
Mike London (Virginia): 6 seasons, 27-46 (14-34), 1 bowl, 1 8-win season.
Mike Houston (East Carolina): 3 seasons, 10-17 (5-13).
Seeing Paul Johnson reminds me that Jeff Monken came to Army from Georgia Southern who was FCS at the time he left (D1 now I believe)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2021, 11:01:08 PM
https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21

I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2021, 11:17:19 PM
https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21

I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
What better data are you looking for here to create your narrative? SEC is the minors to the NFL & this fan base is jealous of Mizzou’s recruiting class, while they’ll still have a subpar overall record to the cats.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2021, 11:37:50 PM
He's the only other coach on our lifetimes that we can compare him to that's not LHC Bill Snyder.

With the caveat that I know that on field performance isn't everything, it's still the case that the on field performance isn't that different between the two, and it basically boils down to:

We no longer play two of our major rivals and KU is historically bad.

The only game we can lose that people will really care about is KU, and it never really mattered how good or bad they are. 

'Beat KU' is the only real requirement to be a coach at KSU.

And we're not that unique in that regard when it comes to rivalries.

Chingon, it doesn't matter that Prince was the only other coach, it's a shitty comparison, and you know it. It's just as stupid as someone using Snyder's record in '89-'91 to favorably reflect on Klieman's record. Acknowledging that there is no comp and we just have to judge Klieman on his own merits, in this moment, busts the narrative so y'all simply won't do it. Doesn't make forcing this narrative any less fraudulent though.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 22, 2021, 02:57:59 AM
https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21

I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
What better data are you looking for here to create your narrative? SEC is the minors to the NFL & this fan base is jealous of Mizzou’s recruiting class, while they’ll still have a subpar overall record to the cats.

No narrative involve. Interest.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2021, 07:37:01 AM
The top of the SEC has coaching staffs, starting with the head coach who recruit like mad men. 

There’s just as much pressure from fans to recruit as there is to win games.  It’s at a whole other level.  That level doesn’t exist across the board in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
The top of the SEC has coaching staffs, starting with the head coach who recruit like mad men. 

There’s just as much pressure from fans to recruit as there is to win games.  It’s at a whole other level.  That level doesn’t exist across the board in the Big 12.
I'm actually ok with that. SEC as a whole and their fans are massive weirdos. crap, we just beat Mississippi St. two years ago on the road. Will take.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:21:52 AM
https://twitter.com/cfbonfox/status/1451263779375775746?s=21

I'd like to see one of these for all the conferences.
What better data are you looking for here to create your narrative? SEC is the minors to the NFL & this fan base is jealous of Mizzou’s recruiting class, while they’ll still have a subpar overall record to the cats.

Still have a subpar overall record? What exactly do you mean by that? Historically or recent? Our records have been almost identical for years, while they play in the SEC (albeit the shitty division).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:33:32 AM
They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
I had an OSU fan at work (I live in Oklahoma) say earlier this week, "It's sad to see K-State struggling, they're my second favorite team."

While that doesn't have a lot to do with what I'll say here, but anyway, I was thinking. This weekend really is a huge game. I think K-State can win it, and if they do, I see the team going on to finish the year strong and hopefully changing the outlook of the program, from inside and an outsiders view.

Playing against a 3rd year coach we had a coaching search side-by-side with. Can get a read on the program and hopefully build off a road win the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:39:47 AM
I'm .sleepycat.gif going into this game. Cats win by 10.

(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/sleepy-cat-in-a-cap-with-a-pillow-picture-id538167562)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:40:36 AM
They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.

I don't think BC is terrible. Think they're rated right around TTech in a lot of metrics.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 22, 2021, 08:42:29 AM
The top of the SEC has coaching staffs, starting with the head coach who recruit like mad men. 

There’s just as much pressure from fans to recruit as there is to win games.  It’s at a whole other level.  That level doesn’t exist across the board in the Big 12.

i'm with wacky on this one. i'm guilty of wanting better recruiting but i do not want to be like SEC weirdos.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:44:13 AM
They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.

I don't think BC is terrible. Think they're rated right around TTech in a lot of metrics.
They're worse than Stanford tho. So keep pounding away at those recruiting rankings Mizzou, taking L's.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 08:49:21 AM
They lost to Boston College, bro. Relax.

I don't think BC is terrible. Think they're rated right around TTech in a lot of metrics.
They're worse than Stanford tho. So keep pounding away at those recruiting rankings Mizzou, taking L's.

Yup, they're probably worse than Stanford.. but I think you're talking to the wrong guy about "pounding" recruiting rankings? I'm just saying they're program record wise is damn near identical to ours, for years now, and how we reach get there doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 08:53:49 AM
Yeah, it wasn't directed at you. The KSO portion of our fan base was crying on twitter this week about Mizzou's recruiting successes and aiding that towards more Klieman crap talking. By the end of the day, it doesn't matter tho, because they still suck.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 22, 2021, 08:56:59 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.

None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.

If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.

Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 22, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.

None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.

If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.

Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.

1-5 over the next 6, and we need to change a lot more than a coordinator or two. 3-3 feels like the basement to me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 22, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.

None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.

If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.

Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.

 :lol: let's go on a 1-13 stretch in big 12 play and THEN maybe we can start asking some questions.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2021, 09:34:28 AM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.

None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.

If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.

Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.

We've lost 8 straight conference games. 
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.

This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 11:30:23 AM
We've lost 8 straight conference games. 
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.

This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.

and uh, it's a blog for fans to talk about crap like this 24/7?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2021, 11:32:43 AM
and we've had 363 24's since we last won a conference game... the thread is relevant
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cardiac Cats on October 22, 2021, 12:46:36 PM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.

None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.

If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.

Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.

We've lost 8 straight conference games. 
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.

This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.

You could always donate (more?) money to all those worthy causes.

Afford better coordinators or ”attract” these elusive higher ranked recruits. Seems like a win win to me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2021, 02:27:35 PM
Jesus... how is this thread receiving this much attention!? CK isn't going anywhere, and the people calling for his head already have such a short memory. We've been extremely competitive this year and if Thompson had been able to stay healthy, both this year and last year, this isn't even a conversation topic.

None of you seem to remember how frustrating and infuriating the last 2-3 years of LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder football were. The records don't reflect all the holes that were showing up that we all saw.

If we go 3-0 over the next three weeks, which is very possible, then all this goes away anyways. This weekend's game is critical to the rest of the season though.

Now, if we only go 1-5 over the next 6 games, then maybe we can start asking some questions, and a coordinator or two gets changed. However, right now people are getting all worked up over some close loses.

We've lost 8 straight conference games. 
We have a negative turnover margin on the season.
We are committing too many stupid penalties.
We have no clock management.
We don't have depth (shift some blame to Snyder).
With the 70th best class in the nation, our recruiting does not have a positive outlook for 2022.

This thread is relevant, but glad to know your threshold for questioning our head coach is a 1-13 conference record over the past 14 games.

You could always donate (more?) money to all those worthy causes.

Afford better coordinators or ”attract” these elusive higher ranked recruits. Seems like a win win to me.

Would be better spent than the building fund. Where's the link to the Go Fund Me for this initiate?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cas4ksu on October 22, 2021, 09:01:04 PM
If we lose to Texas Tech tomorrow, I'm putting a "FOR SALE BY OWNER" sign in Klieman's yard first thing Sunday AM.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2021, 09:51:58 PM
Everybody is making fun of MethU.

What's sad is the "at least we aren't (insert school here)" threads that make people feel better about K-State.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 22, 2021, 10:50:56 PM
If we lose to Texas Tech tomorrow, I'm putting a "FOR SALE BY OWNER" sign in Klieman's yard first thing Sunday AM.

Shoe polish the car.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Everybody is making fun of MethU.

What's sad is the "at least we aren't (insert school here)" threads that make people feel better about K-State.
What’s the point of recruiting “good” when you’re losing to shitty ACC teams and you’re going to end up with a losing record, AGAIN?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2021, 03:58:00 AM
Everybody is making fun of MethU.

What's sad is the "at least we aren't (insert school here)" threads that make people feel better about K-State.
What’s the point of recruiting “good” when you’re losing to shitty ACC teams and you’re going to end up with a losing record, AGAIN?

I wasn't talking about recruiting.   I was talking about the "I need to make myself feel better" tendencies of K-State Tuck Nation.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
I think it’s pretty natural for fan bases to compare themselves and where they’re at to boardering rivals. In this case, K-State is in luck, because Mizzou and Nebraska suck butt too!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: slackcat on October 23, 2021, 08:56:21 AM
:confused:

Start at the 25 second mark.  I guess it's still relevant today, "we've got a long ways to go", but that was stated 2 1/2 years ago.  What's changed??  He took them to a bowl game in year one........
Well for one thing, we lost our all-conference DE who left early, Khalid Duke got hurt, and none of our other DEs besides Felix are good enough right now.  Meanwhile, our only upperclassmen Linebackers are Fletcher and Green, neither of which are good enough. 

I think we're paying the piper for the total whiffs in recruiting during the twilight of Snyder, along with some pretty brutal injuries at key positions (Thompson/Duke).  Our margins were always going to be pretty thin, given the lack of depth, and when you have injuries at certain spots (which are probably going to happen) it can really hurt.  Especially when you're playing 3 of the conference's 4 or 5 best teams in a row.

Would agree that Snyder is still accountable for a portion of the roster (or lack thereof) that has provided us little upperclassmen who can produce. That being said, at what point do we start holding this staff accountable for their inability to recruit? Year 4? Year 5?
I guess when he's responsible for most of the roster.  I'm not really going to hold his feet to the fire too much for the '19 class, given that he didn't even start until midish december.

From the early returns, the '20 class looks great.

Fair enough, but the pitchforks come out in '23 if crap is still the same.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 23, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
CK is going to be in a year 0 situation in year 4. Amazingly trash right now.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 23, 2021, 11:18:06 AM
Close loses to top 10 teams are one thing. Getting blown out on the road and looking like a Prince team like we're doing today is quite another. I'm still waiting to see what we look like after the KU game, but the way this one is going I may flip sides fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 23, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
We need someone to calm the waters.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
We need someone to calm the waters.

:surprised:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 23, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
Michigan State is prob so pissed they aren’t getting this right now.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2021, 12:02:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JKnw6Jm_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 23, 2021, 12:31:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JKnw6Jm_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
LOL
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 23, 2021, 12:31:39 PM
come home, sean.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 23, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
If you could ever complain about a win, this Tech game would be it, but will take what we can get!

That aside, still on team #firekliegoober
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 23, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
I won't complain much about a conference road win. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 23, 2021, 03:20:27 PM
Yea he got it done, congrats to him.  Shutting them out in the second half was clutch.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 03:29:54 PM
He won halftime. #coaching
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on October 23, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
that was the best third quarter I can remember. which isn't saying much it was really good.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
He won halftime. #coaching

Matt Wells tho
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 03:43:06 PM
that was the best third quarter I can remember. which isn't saying much it was really good.

Started with the Mess approved 3 and out.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 23, 2021, 04:16:27 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 23, 2021, 04:30:59 PM
I won't complain much about a conference road win.

I believe this is what _FAN would call a “grinder,” and you absolutely don’t complain about a grinder W on the road in conference play.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 23, 2021, 05:27:43 PM
Now they are 6=1 thanks to Kei and the boys.  :billdance:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Institutional Control on October 23, 2021, 05:54:46 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.
We won the dang day.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 06:23:11 PM
He won halftime. #coaching

Matt Wells tho
Yeah, will take tho. I feel bad for our girl Janey Bird, but not really. Go cats!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SHTexas on October 23, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
Klieman sucks. Period. More mediocre from this spare  :billdance:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 23, 2021, 07:39:42 PM
surprised klymahn pulled it off.  congratulations to the young man.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SHTexas on October 23, 2021, 07:51:59 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.

Did he?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 23, 2021, 09:12:42 PM
I know I’ve been critical of kli…maybe it was the 8 game conference losing streak, maybe it’s the generally non competitive string of games we’ve had…but dagnabbit, he made the dang halftime adjustments today.

Did he?

I mean defensively they went from allowing 24 pts per half to 0, so, it seems like an adjustment was made in some form or fashion. I suppose it’s possible kli - anticipating Wells adjusting to his adjustments - did himself make no adjustments. In that scenario though, I would have to say intentionally not making an adjustment is still an adjustment.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
The bottom 6 teams of the Big 12 are excruciatingly mediocre to very bad. 

But most conferences are that way.

 



Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 08:39:15 AM
That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fan base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 24, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Can’t fake that zeel
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2021, 10:29:52 AM
We better win the next three, as difficult as the first three conference games were tech, tcu, KU, and WVU should be layups. All four might be as inept individually this year as they've ever been since they've been in this conference and the only one left on the road is the worst of the four. 7 wins is the absolute floor for this team. For this to be a successful season we need to sweep the next three and win one of the last two. There are some years when finishing 6th would be respectful, this is not one of those years.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fam base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!

We were favored to win this game
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 11:01:12 AM
That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fam base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!

We were favored to win this game
I just assumed with a road conference game vs 5-2 team. What was the line?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2021, 11:06:18 AM
That was a huge statement win. Everything against you, fam base ready to run you out in the 1st quarter, and you still win on the road as dogs. He’s about to real off 4 in a row. I’m a Kli, guy!

We were favored to win this game
I just assumed with a road conference game vs 5-2 team. What was the line?

-1  :)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2021, 11:09:24 AM
We were 1 point dogs
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2021, 11:13:22 AM
Congrats WackyTuck

I'll take 5 more being a little less awful than the other team games for the rest of the season.


Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 24, 2021, 11:41:06 AM
We were 1 point dogs

Damn, upon further inspection you are correct.  wackster is right again
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 12:02:58 PM
 :gocho:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 24, 2021, 03:17:31 PM
We better win the next three, as difficult as the first three conference games were tech, tcu, KU, and WVU should be layups. All four might be as inept individually this year as they've ever been since they've been in this conference and the only one left on the road is the worst of the four. 7 wins is the absolute floor for this team. For this to be a successful season we need to sweep the next three and win one of the last two. There are some years when finishing 6th would be respectful, this is not one of those years.

I don't disagree, but I also don't think we'll get there. The last two games have been incredibly sloppy, almost like we're getting worse. We don't look like the same team that blew away their OOC opponents.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2021, 03:56:21 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 24, 2021, 05:44:21 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Can’t wait to spend a Tuesday afternoon in SMU’s stadium.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 24, 2021, 06:01:50 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Can’t wait to spend a Tuesday afternoon in SMU’s stadium.

We could tailgate at my place!!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2021, 09:12:13 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.

I think that's a bit extreme without the hindsight of how everyone finishes the season (unless the loss is ku of course)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.

I think that's a bit extreme without the hindsight of how everyone finishes the season (unless the loss is ku of course)

Nah, I've seen TCU and WVU, we are absolutely better than the both of those teams. We're beyond midway through the season.
Both had easy front loaded schedules and neither will make a bowl without two upsets. TCU has a just okay offense and a heels hella bad defense. WVU has an okay defense but the worst offense in the conference. They are bad and if we're even decent those are games we win at home, zero excuses.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 07:55:54 AM
Neil Brown has some kind of Country Roads voodoo on us. We should absolutely win, but for some reason that's one I could see us laying an egg in.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 08:14:50 AM
Neil Brown has some kind of Country Roads voodoo on us. We should absolutely win, but for some reason that's one I could see us laying an egg in.
Brown just got very lucky in 2019, there wasn't magic. They obviously destroyed us last year.

Still, we're only three point favorites, if they get us it won't be a monumental upset.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 08:51:15 AM
Neil Brown has some kind of Country Roads voodoo on us. We should absolutely win, but for some reason that's one I could see us laying an egg in.
Brown just got very lucky in 2019, there wasn't magic. They obviously destroyed us last year.

Still, we're only three point favorites, if they get us it won't be a monumental upset.

I mean, there aren't more than a few games in the B12 (excluding any KU games) that would fall in the "monumental upset" category anyway.

It's a home game against a team we should beat, and I think we will. If we don't, it will be SIX losses in a row to WVU and Kli will be 0-3 v. Brown
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Houstoncat93 on October 25, 2021, 08:53:42 AM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.

Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2021, 11:45:52 AM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.

Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.

Jonathan Adams Jr... we made him look like a 1st round draft pick. Instead, he went in the 4th round to the Jets, and then the Lions, and now has been released.

But, Covid and stuff.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.

Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.

I didn't forget, I legitimately think this would be worse given the circumstances of the two games.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 12:22:03 PM
Well Kli got Wells fired.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 12:24:24 PM
Well Kli got Wells fired.

I'm going to give him credit for getting the USC guy fired too
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 25, 2021, 12:29:46 PM
Tech is one win away from bowl eligibility and they fire their coach?  They've already won one more game than last year. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 12:35:42 PM
Tech is one win away from bowl eligibility and they fire their coach?  They've already won one more game than last year.

Have you seen their schedule? They literally have 1,2,3,4 in the conference left, combined record of 25-4. They have the hardest remaining schedule in all of college football. Unless they upset Baylor on the last day of the season, they aren't making a bowl.

I find it funny that Sonny Cumbie, who has been nothing but a failure the last decade and his offense is what lost them the game on Saturday, will be the interim.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on October 25, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Tech is one win away from bowl eligibility and they fire their coach?  They've already won one more game than last year.
We fired prince, but let him keep coaching with a chance to get to a bowl.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
SP+ says Tech has (had?) 81% chance of winning at least 1 more game
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 25, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
I think we'll go 2-1 over the next 3. Bowl eligible!

Any loss in the next three is simply unacceptable and should be treated as a disappointment, and the worst failure of the Klieman era.

Ahhh, how soon we forget trauma of Arkansas State.

Jonathan Adams Jr... we made him look like a 1st round draft pick. Instead, he went in the 4th round to the Jets, and then the Lions, and now has been released.

But, Covid and stuff.
He was likely to get a roster spot with the lions, but was suspended by the league for the first 6 games.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2021, 12:57:01 PM
Word on the street is Wells ass is CANNED! I bet that Sonny guy gets the interim
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 25, 2021, 01:04:34 PM
Word on the street is Wells ass is CANNED! I bet that Sonny guy gets the interim
Dang...

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1452687056178647055
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 25, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
KSU taking a trick out of the KU playbook. Must not feel too great.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 25, 2021, 01:08:08 PM
KSU taking a trick out of the KU playbook. Must not feel too great.
Feels like a slap in the face, tbh.

3rd and 34 must have been the final straw.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 01:09:46 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 25, 2021, 01:16:10 PM
this all reminds me of 2015 and paul rhoads getting shitcanned
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.

i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.

but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 01:31:36 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.

i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.

but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.

I suppose that's true but I'm really annoyed by a random game or two making or breaking a hiring/firing decision. Maybe it makes it easier to deal with the fans? but if you have a guy that's better, go ahead and fire the guy you have now.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 25, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
wells lost his starting qb in all 3 seasons at tech, seems like you'd give a guy a little bit of a leash with that but I guess not.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2021, 01:40:20 PM
You fire a coach that's 1 win away from being bowl eligible and is 5-3 on the season?

Goodness.   

That was a shitty loss, I mean, they were more shitty than K-State was and so that made for some simply awful football outside of a couple of plays, but wow.





Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2021, 01:41:54 PM
It was a lot cooler when we fired HOF'rs for losing to mold aggie than being the team that losing to warrants firing a coach.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 25, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
i thought about it some more and i've decided i agree with firing klaeman if he doesn't win the last three games.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.

i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.

but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.

Who is their next guy?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:05:14 PM
I'm guessing their next coach is going to be worse than Wells.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 25, 2021, 02:07:02 PM
They should hire Beatty.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:07:32 PM
Paul Rhoads
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 25, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Nightmare scenario: Sean rough ridin' Snyder
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:13:12 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 02:16:35 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.

i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.

but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.

Who is their next guy?

Briles
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 02:16:50 PM
I hope there's an email chain that gets shared from a donor wanting some previous QB that's now very attractive and wants to really promote his GQ sexiness to get him invited to the Grammy's and crap. That was my favorite TTech.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 02:24:14 PM
SP+ says Tech has (had?) 81% chance of winning at least 1 more game

You mean FPI? It's down to 69%. You've presumably seen tech and the four teams they're playing. Would you bet your own money that they even have a 69% chance of even covering against any of the teams they have left?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 02:31:29 PM
I don't think it makes sense to fire a coach mid season, especially when you make his terrible OC the interim. However, we're looking at homeboy's firing just through the lens of what happened on Saturday. While the nature of the loss to us was awful, it was just the cherry on top of a month that saw them give up 70 to Texas and 52 to TCU. They lost those games by a combined 56 points. I pointed out how toxic it became between that coach and the fan base. I really think they are trying their best to mitigate the embarrassment looking like what's coming down the road to finish off the season.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 25, 2021, 02:31:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1452688314801160192?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
What if it's Patterson?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 25, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 25, 2021, 02:52:16 PM
Venables
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 25, 2021, 03:00:09 PM
it’s yeast or brents
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles

Won't happen, but would be hilarious to watch the Baylor heads explode if it did.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?

Fh?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?

Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 25, 2021, 03:55:37 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?

If this is about CK (I have no idea), I do think we should tack on another couple years and 10-15M more to the buyout. TT could make a call and if they did make a call....... :zzz:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 04:13:16 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?

Fh?

Fuckhead... it's what basically everyone in MHK refers to Klieman as
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2021, 04:20:16 PM
eff head
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2021, 04:20:31 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?

Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell

Yep. He already will need a job at year's end.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 25, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?

Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell

Yep. He already will need a job at year's end.
Would love for them to hire GH. I really think they DGAF anymore and will hire Briles tho.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
What if it's Seth LittreLL?

Oh crap.. it's going to be Graham Harrell

Yep. He already will need a job at year's end.
Would love for them to hire GH. I really think they DGAF anymore and will hire Briles tho.

I don't buy it. Hell, he couldn't keep Mount Vernon High School clean for the two years he was there, and Tech doesn't seem like the place that would look kindly on the type of culture that Briles would bring in.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2021, 05:32:53 PM
Could Wells be a good addition to the Catstaff?? Could we pay him market value?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 05:35:09 PM
I really don't understand mid-season firings.

i interpret it as they already know their next guy, and can't afford to let a surprising win or two in the next month let it slip away.

but also i think they knew at the beginning of the season they didn't want him anymore so maybe just using the loss to us as justification to start their search.

Who is their next guy?

Briles
You cappin
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 05:41:13 PM
Could Wells be a good addition to the Catstaff?? Could we pay him market value?

As like an offensive analyst nick saban style?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 05:56:06 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles

Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles

Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available.  :facepalm:

Maybe he meant Kendall, I’m really not sure.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
Do we need to extend Fh just to be safe?

Fh?

Fuckhead
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles

Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available.  :facepalm:

Maybe he meant Kendall, I’m really not sure.

He seems to be alright.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 25, 2021, 06:15:11 PM
Could Wells be a good addition to the Catstaff?? Could we pay him market value?

What has Saban paid all these retread HC's to be Analysts?

We're pretty much the same as Alabama w/ Ben Newman.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 25, 2021, 06:40:49 PM
Talk about Sonny Dykes and Jeff Trailer are being mentioned on 365.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 25, 2021, 08:39:38 PM
They’re about to go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to poach Dykes from.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2021, 12:59:00 AM
Bring him home, Chris.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/themercury.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/47/5472c6bb-ef2a-5c1d-acdc-d75df8e3acb5/5a7324b5e5498.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1135)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 26, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
Realistic scenario: Art Briles

Yep, that dirty, low down raping players' supporter is available.  :facepalm:

Maybe he meant Kendall, I’m really not sure.

Kendall might be more realistic, but he shouldn't be. If you actually care about the rapes being covered up at Baylor, the entire staff should be just as toxic as Art. And if you don't care about that, then you should hire Art, since he's the proven winner.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 26, 2021, 10:15:02 AM
Bring him home, Chris.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/themercury.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/47/5472c6bb-ef2a-5c1d-acdc-d75df8e3acb5/5a7324b5e5498.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1135)

I had to look up where he is now. Old Dominion DC... would he want to come back and coach for  us again? Would Kleiman want a Snyder coach on his staff?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on October 26, 2021, 10:16:44 AM
Klieman will not actively pursue Seiler just because he's a k-state guy

i'm not sure Seiler would take it - there's some loyalty to Rahne there and Klieman didn't give him the DC job initially so might hold that against him
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
if klieman told Seiler that he had a beautiful body, would seiler hold it against him?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
Please no Seiler
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
Jim Leavitt- DC for the 7-0 SMU Mustangs

Riley Garrett, Lincoln's younger bro, is the OC

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 26, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Riley, Garrett*
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
if klieman told Seiler that he had a beautiful body, would seiler hold it against him?

I know I would.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 26, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
Please no Seiler

is this in regards to having him on the coaching staff or are you being demure?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: meow meow on October 26, 2021, 12:11:04 PM
how many coaches is tech gonna let kirby hocutt hire and then fire?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MadCat on October 26, 2021, 12:44:18 PM
Please no Seiler
That's what he said  :fatty:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
how many coaches is tech gonna let kirby hocutt hire and then fire?

Makes you wonder if he is about to get the axe himself
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on October 26, 2021, 03:14:04 PM
how many coaches is tech gonna let kirby hocutt hire and then fire?

Makes you wonder if he is about to get the axe himself

There is talk of this on the Tech boards.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on October 27, 2021, 05:07:15 PM
One of you carrying that Fire Chris Klieman energy to Twitter.

https://twitter.com/bryce_k3
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 27, 2021, 05:12:21 PM
Bring him home, Chris.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/themercury.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/47/5472c6bb-ef2a-5c1d-acdc-d75df8e3acb5/5a7324b5e5498.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1135)

I had to look up where he is now. Old Dominion DC... would he want to come back and coach for  us again? Would Kleiman want a Snyder coach on his staff?
What do you think Collin Klein is?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ELL3 on October 27, 2021, 11:04:15 PM
My observation, Kleiman would rather have shitty coaches with NDSU ties than superior coaches with Snyder ties. Coleman and Smith would be far better than Messingham and Ray as well.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 06:03:23 AM
My observation, Kleiman would rather have shitty coaches with NDSU ties than superior coaches with Snyder ties. Coleman and Smith would be far better than Messingham and Ray as well.

Coleman an OC somewhere now? Not sure who Smith is here…
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SHTexas on October 28, 2021, 06:06:56 AM
My observation, Kleiman would rather have shitty coaches with NDSU ties than superior coaches with Snyder ties. Coleman and Smith would be far better than Messingham and Ray as well.

Coleman an OC somewhere now? Not sure who Smith is here…

Coleman is actually recruiting ballers to Texas. Wideouts that are actually good. Unlike Measingham and Kliebooger.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 06:27:13 AM
Wish Coleman would have recruited receivers who were actually good to Kansas State after Tyler Lockett
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 06:31:08 AM
Michael Smith got canned at Kentucky and is now WR coach at Southern Alabama

https://usajaguars.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/michael-smith/1843
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SHTexas on October 28, 2021, 06:59:07 AM
Wish Coleman would have recruited receivers who were actually good to Kansas State after Tyler Lockett

Kliebooger and Measingham been here three years. Haven’t recruited a good receiver yet. Best receiver on roster is Knowles who Coleman recruited. Wonder what they are waiting on?  Oh, I know. Nobody wants to come to a place where they don’t throw the ball consistently.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 07:07:41 AM
Michael Smith got canned at Kentucky and is now WR coach at Southern Alabama

https://usajaguars.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/michael-smith/1843


That makes more sense, I was looking at the staff Klieman inherited and thinking who tf is Smith.  Apparently ELL3 wanted Klieman to hire former Snyder doods away from other schools.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on October 28, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
Wish Coleman would have recruited receivers who were actually good to Kansas State after Tyler Lockett

Kliebooger and Measingham been here three years. Haven’t recruited a good receiver yet. Best receiver on roster is Knowles who Coleman recruited. Wonder what they are waiting on?  Oh, I know. Nobody wants to come to a place where they don’t throw the ball consistently.
wut
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 07:16:34 AM
Don’t acknowledge bots
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.
I'm sure your twitter account will be full of massive whining, comparos to Prince, and the cats walking away with a 13 point victory. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2021, 10:22:58 AM
This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.
I'm sure your twitter account will be full of massive whining, comparos to Prince, and the cats walking away with a 13 point victory. Can't wait.

It's better than crying and whining about people getting vaccinated so I am going to roll with it
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2021, 10:36:35 AM
but yes, I will 1000% melt down if we lose at home to sweaty gary
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
This could be the game that gets me on the mole express.
I'm sure your twitter account will be full of massive whining, comparos to Prince, and the cats walking away with a 13 point victory. Can't wait.

It's better than crying and whining about people getting vaccinated so I am going to roll with it
lol. Link to that happening?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 28, 2021, 11:04:33 AM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 28, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
I predict the cats will ... take a step back ... this weekend.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
but yes, I will 1000% melt down if we lose at home to sweaty gary

You and me both, homie.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2021, 11:09:00 AM
This is a game we should win, and a game we can win handily if we play well. I’d really like to see our guys pour it on.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2021, 11:09:13 AM
I predict the cats will ... take a step back ... this weekend.
hur hur hur
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
I predict the cats will ... take a step back ... this weekend.

I enjoyed that thank you
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 12:04:08 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 12:15:17 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 28, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.

14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.

14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.

I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.

14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.

I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed

Think it’s too early to get Sark shitcanned?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2021, 01:17:46 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.

14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.

I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed

It really would be something.

As for this Saturday, I'm lock-step w/ Dax. We should absolutely crap-can TCU at home. I'd be fine with any win, but it will take a truly dominating victory to be fully satisfied.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: jc_jax on October 28, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
I just want us to start without having to say "worst possible start to the game" again for the third game in a row.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 28, 2021, 01:24:35 PM
Blowing out TCU and getting sweaty fired would feel way more rewarding than it should.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Fedor on October 28, 2021, 01:45:34 PM
I don't see a blowout in the cards and those that are expecting one or setting the bar there are kidding themselves.  TCU's record is not terrible and their offense seems to be somewhat potent.  They also played UT much closer than we likely will.   If we win it will be a close game. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 01:56:04 PM
I don't see a blowout in the cards and those that are expecting one or setting the bar there are kidding themselves.  TCU's record is not terrible and their offense seems to be somewhat potent.  They also played UT much closer than we likely will.   If we win it will be a close game.
Depends on the definition of "blowout" but we also haven't won a conference game by more than 20 since 2016. Kinda strange to expect it to be happy but whatever

(Except for Kansas)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 28, 2021, 01:56:46 PM
It sounds like we are due to finally win a conference game by more than 20 points, and TCU seems like just the team to do it to.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 28, 2021, 02:02:14 PM
When the 2021 Cats win, they win by an average of 10+.

They might win this one by 100.

Go Cats. Blow the sweat away.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 02:11:48 PM
Hey @Fedor, Your Testosterone called, it said it's never coming back.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
Hey @Fedor, Your Testosterone called, it said it's never coming back.
What are you doing dude
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2021, 02:20:49 PM
It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.
Ok
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 28, 2021, 03:47:02 PM
It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.
Ok

lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 05:32:23 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Not sure what the situation is at WVU but Brown isn’t exactly tearing it up either.

14-15 record so far with solid recruiting classes being mixed in. I think he's going to be fine if they give him time.

I mean if we turned a triple play I'd be legit impressed

Think it’s too early to get Sark shitcanned?

or lepold? Why not run that train through Baylor and Sark too on out. If you lose to us, must fire your coach, seems reasonable
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 28, 2021, 05:32:49 PM
I just want us to start without having to say "worst possible start to the game" again for the third game in a row.

If we avoid that, we will blow those dorks out
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 28, 2021, 06:19:46 PM
It's much more fun to let them get ahead in the 1st half, then blow(shut) them out in the 2nd.  That's what get's their coach fired.  :lol:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on October 28, 2021, 06:36:47 PM
I want to get more people fired. It's fun.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 28, 2021, 10:05:05 PM
Heartland College Sports podcaster Pete Mundo says Cats … BIG over the Horned Frogs! And if Pete “voice of the Big 12” Munda said it, you know it’s bound to be true.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Heartland College Sports podcaster Pete Mundo says Cats … BIG over the Horned Frogs! And if Pete “voice of the Big 12” Munda said it, you know it’s bound to be true.

I rely on him for a lot and I will rely on him here
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Fedor on October 29, 2021, 08:12:39 AM
It was a joke about low t, for being a negative nancy, relax. Cats by 90.
Ok
Just dudes being dudes.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 29, 2021, 08:51:16 AM
LCFBIQ here, but you heard it here first, the first 10 minutes of the 3rd quarter will be the difference between a close game and a K-State blowout win.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2021, 06:01:37 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:

Rumblings
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 30, 2021, 06:04:32 PM
That home loss to Iowa State is still killing me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 30, 2021, 06:04:59 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:


Rumblings

:pray:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2021, 06:09:21 PM
That home loss to Iowa State is still killing me.

Broke my spirit tbh.  They looked 3-4 scores better than us that day.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2021, 10:11:11 PM
That home loss to Iowa State is still killing me.

Looking worse and worse. I'd say winning 3 of the next 4 would redeem that shitty loss.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 31, 2021, 12:14:55 AM
well, well, well, kleitmann wins again.  this dude might save his job yet.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 31, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
Other than Duke, what other D-lineman have we lost and for how long were they out?

I ask, because imo it seems our defensive struggles have stemmed primarily from these guys going down. Without our top guys we simply cannot create the outside pressure or set the edge like we need to. It made our linebackers and DBs look really bad, but all LBs and DBs look bad when the front isn’t able to do these things.

Anyway, seems like a positive in that it’s a talent/depth issue and not a scheme issue.

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:


Rumblings

:pray:

https://twitter.com/newyscruggs/status/1454950666376470536?s=21
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on October 31, 2021, 06:30:50 PM
My god
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2021, 06:31:09 PM
Lmfao
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on October 31, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
Holy crap
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 31, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
You sonuvabitches, you did it again!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 31, 2021, 06:36:33 PM
You sonuvabitches, you did it again!

Rumblings Lance has been quietly preparing his home to be sold
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2021, 06:37:30 PM
gooooooddamn
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 31, 2021, 06:39:12 PM
You sonuvabitches, you did it again!

Rumblings Lance has been quietly preparing his home to be sold

Au contraire, the #FireKlansman crowd should be rooting for the hawks this brisk Saturday. We don't can coach ass in Year 1 of the greatest turnaround in the history of modern football.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 31, 2021, 06:43:40 PM
apparently it’s not patterson
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 31, 2021, 06:54:22 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.
It'll be good to take a step back
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 31, 2021, 09:18:49 PM
Ok hear me out. If Michigan cans the ‘Baugh this week…
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 31, 2021, 09:25:02 PM
What if it's Patterson?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 31, 2021, 09:47:07 PM
The TCU job is Kill's if he can finish the season strong, imo. He just has to seize the opportunity.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 31, 2021, 09:47:45 PM
The TCU job is Kill's if he can finish the season strong, imo. He just has to seize the opportunity.
:nono:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 31, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
The TCU job is Kill's if he can finish the season strong, imo. He just has to seize the opportunity.

That was a lobe low, ratm
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KST8FAN on October 31, 2021, 10:22:59 PM
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Article/Jeff-Traylor-Forces-Texas-Tech-to-Conduct-an-Actual-Search-Jeff-Traylor-Kirby-Hocutt-Sonny-Dykes-Kalen-Deboer-Jamey-Chadwell-Tony-Gibson-Mike-Leach-Bob-Knight-Matt-Wells-174304074/


Tom

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 31, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Losing Saturday is border line a fireable offense.

TCU is simply awful and many TCU fans are sick of Gary, who apparently wants yet another extension.

Could we get two pelts in two weeks  :surprised:


Rumblings

:pray:

https://twitter.com/newyscruggs/status/1454950666376470536?s=21

Hooooollllllyyy shhhiiiiiiiit

Guys, the streak is on. Lepold better watch his ass.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 31, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
Seriously, Lepold has to coach as if his job is on the line, cause it is
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2021, 03:29:55 AM
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Article/Jeff-Traylor-Forces-Texas-Tech-to-Conduct-an-Actual-Search-Jeff-Traylor-Kirby-Hocutt-Sonny-Dykes-Kalen-Deboer-Jamey-Chadwell-Tony-Gibson-Mike-Leach-Bob-Knight-Matt-Wells-174304074/


Tom

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

The starting premise of this article is wrong. Traylor's new contract doesn't preclude him from taking a new job. His new salary at UTSA is still a million dollars less a year than what Wells made at tech. Also that $7 million buyout, can easily be managed, if it even takes effect right away, which without seeing the actual contract language, I'd doubt.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 05, 2021, 01:38:29 PM
Guise, I like our team and our coach and I'm excited for tomorrow and I don't care who knows it.

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1456639943976099844?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 02:35:50 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.

I'll do anything to have Gary Patterson at the helm over the guy we have now.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 05, 2021, 03:38:06 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.

I'll do anything to have Gary Patterson at the helm over the guy we have now.

Whoa take a step back my friend
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 03:54:36 PM
I'm hearing this was actually Gary's own decision. More time to focus on his music, his family, barbecue, trucks, etc.

I'll do anything to have Gary Patterson at the helm over the guy we have now.

Whoa take a step back my friend

Never
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on November 05, 2021, 04:12:27 PM
It smells like a clam in here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on November 05, 2021, 04:16:37 PM
It smells like a clam in here.

Prolly
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 04:21:02 PM
I don't even think a clam bot would visit the pit.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 05, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
I don't think so
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 04:49:51 PM
Why do you guys defend an FCS level coach who gives FCS results. Blows my mind.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 05, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
It smells like a clam in here.

TBT
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on November 05, 2021, 06:13:14 PM
I don't even think a clam bot would visit the pit.  :dunno:

Exactly. That's what makes it the perfect caper.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Good call!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 05, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
I'd begrudgingly take Patterson over Kliegoober.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 08:03:48 PM
I'd begrudgingly take Patterson over Kliegoober.
Of course you would! Looks like the new troll is stealing your thunder.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 05, 2021, 08:16:55 PM
I'd begrudgingly take Patterson over Kliegoober.
Of course you would! Looks like the new troll is stealing your thunder.

No need for these personal attacks. We're all on the same team here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 08:23:20 PM
Lol. What personal attack?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
It's just facts that Patterson is who we want.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: HerrSonntag on November 05, 2021, 09:14:28 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 05, 2021, 09:37:42 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on November 05, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
@Trim , what have you heard about Dabo? (!)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Trim on November 05, 2021, 09:51:51 PM
@Trim , what have you heard about Dabo? (!)

It’s time for him to come home to KSU.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 05, 2021, 11:36:38 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: HerrSonntag on November 06, 2021, 12:38:10 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
So, this is a thing
https://twitter.com/coachpants/ (https://twitter.com/coachpants/)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 06, 2021, 08:53:41 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

Happened to me once and it really is a shitty feeling.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 10:22:11 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 06, 2021, 10:56:27 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.
So, this is a thing
https://twitter.com/coachpants/ (https://twitter.com/coachpants/)

Not enough tweets of him hiking up his britches
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:20:24 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.

Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 12:23:19 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.

Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.

Definitely a clown
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.

Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.

Definitely a clown

What is this, an echo chamber for Klieman or something?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 06, 2021, 12:35:03 PM
JFC someone get Simo some water.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:37:31 PM
Take a deep breathe, count to 10. Simo is always right. This you will learn.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.

Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.

Definitely a clown

What is this, an echo chamber for Klieman or something?

What does Klieman have to do with Gary Patterson?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: SimoHayha on November 06, 2021, 12:42:12 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.

Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.

Definitely a clown

What is this, an echo chamber for Klieman or something?

What does Klieman have to do with Gary Patterson?

Re: Fire Chris Klieman (thread)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 06, 2021, 01:33:33 PM
Patterson always looks like a guy who forgot to wear a belt that day and is really self conscious about it

And Kleigoober is the guy who wears velcro sneakers and tucks in his t-shirt. Who cares so long as they can recruit and coach.

So you want a guy who is 0-3 against the guy you have? Gary Patterson not only lost to Will Howard but he lost to Will Howard making his first ever start.

We want a guy that doesn't play FCS football. There is a reason why no FBS program wanted Klieman. It ain't rocket science my boy.

Somehow, I don't think a clown who lost to KU is the answer.

Calling Gary a clown is pretty galaxy brain of you to say.

Definitely a clown

He'd never cut it as a clown. The sweat would run the makeup.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 02:00:52 PM
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 06, 2021, 02:06:58 PM
The suspenders would ruin one of his best acts.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on November 08, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
The importance of a good quarterback

https://twitter.com/RobertKSUfan/status/1457715713481793537?s=20



Also may cross post in the Howard thread
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on November 08, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
The importance of a good quarterback

https://twitter.com/RobertKSUfan/status/1457715713481793537?s=20



Also may cross post in the Howard thread
Seems like that stat could be modified to go “Will Howard has as many conference wins as Beaty, Miles, and Leipold combined”

But that assumes the Texas Tech game last year counts towards Will Howards total.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 12, 2021, 09:51:03 AM
Sorry if Luk’d . Crosspost 2021 Coaching Carousel Thread:

https://twitter.com/aspoage/status/1458917575815938083?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
Lol @ this thread
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2021, 11:50:49 AM
Lol @ this thread
Lotta football to be played today wacks
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 13, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 12:33:30 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
TCU just beat Baylor last week, but go off, King!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
Lost 8 of 12 games, very Prince-like
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 02:56:00 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 13, 2021, 05:04:27 PM
A lot of you guys owe Chris an apology
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2021, 05:12:19 PM
Should rename thread to “Cat fb coaching staff speculation thread.”
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on November 13, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2021, 07:26:39 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.

and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on November 13, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.

and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.

Hopefully we can get Baylor in a "hangover" week next week.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
I am totally ok with us being a 6 to 9 win team most years! Fun season!  :billdance:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2021, 09:25:28 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.

and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.

Let's not give Gary credit for the dang day that Kill seized.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 09:39:39 PM
Cats are about to be 9-3 and you want this guy fired for it. Lol.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on November 13, 2021, 10:42:59 PM
i admit, i was wrong about klipperman.  he's turned the ship around.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 13, 2021, 10:46:02 PM
We've won 3 games in a row against 3 awful teams. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I think it's worth noting that ISU lost in Lubbock and we did not.

and ol' fallin'-britches gary's boys beat Baylor last week.

Let's not give Gary credit for the dang day that Kill seized.

Blood, sweat and teasrs with Gary and Jerry.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on November 14, 2021, 04:53:00 PM
we didn’t look very good on either side of the ball, yesterday
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2021, 05:29:59 PM
It’s important to note that Chernobyl once again nailed it
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2021, 05:34:16 PM
I am totally ok with us being a 6 to 9 win team most years! Fun season!  :billdance:
Yes, definitely
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 20, 2021, 07:55:51 PM
Let's get this thread back up to the top where it belongs.

Beat nothing but trash teams this year. Next year will be an absolute crap show given our QB situation.

Mess needs to go. This offense is garbage.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 07:56:24 PM
Disagree
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on November 20, 2021, 07:58:06 PM
Disagree

If we lose to Texas and our bowl opponent, what say you then?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
Disagree

If we lose to Texas and our bowl opponent, what say you then?

Don't really care much about the bowl game.  Without Skylar I don't think we'll be expected to beat Texas.  7-5 isn't fire worthy after three years imo. .
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on November 20, 2021, 08:05:23 PM
not kyleman's best day, but i think he deserves one more chance.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: OB_Won on November 20, 2021, 08:10:03 PM
Hire anybody this guy had on his finalist list. . .https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/mack-rhoades/1 (https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/mack-rhoades/1)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on November 20, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
Hire anybody this guy had on his finalist list. . .https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/mack-rhoades/1 (https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/mack-rhoades/1)
He’s probably gonna be having to make another hire when Aranda bolts to LSU (this seems to be the noise coming from Baton Rouge recently).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 20, 2021, 08:19:53 PM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on November 20, 2021, 09:27:00 PM
Texas is in free fall mode right now. If we don't beat them, I'll be upset.

Next year the heat could get turned up real quick if we don't get a good portal qb, kicker, and some bigger linemen.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: tdaver on November 20, 2021, 09:32:17 PM
Kleiman’s tenure before today.  Never a single W or L.  Be prepared for an L in Austin.

3W
2L
3W
2L
2W
2L
4W
5L
3W
3L
4W
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ELL3 on November 20, 2021, 09:42:57 PM
No chance we lose to Texas Friday. The stadium will be half full and Tex quit long ago. Cats 38 Horns 20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 09:55:57 PM
Without Skylar I can't see us winning a game on the road.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 20, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
Without Skylar I can't see us winning a game on the road.

Pretty bold comment after what Jaren Lewis did today.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2021, 10:11:48 PM
lmao
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on November 20, 2021, 10:18:59 PM


Without Skylar I can't see us winning a game on the road.

Pretty bold comment after what Jaren Lewis did today.

I was thinking about starting a podcast featuring my blistering hot takes.  But I don't know if the sports world is ready yet for paradigm shattering insights.

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2021, 12:12:28 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.

You think the offensive line played poorly today?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on November 21, 2021, 07:00:59 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.

You think the offensive line played poorly today?

I think you'd struggle to make a case that they played great.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2021, 09:41:46 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.
You’re such a dipshit
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 8manpick on November 21, 2021, 11:29:45 AM
Can his ass
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on November 21, 2021, 11:32:29 AM
Can Klein and mess


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2021, 11:43:33 AM
Recruiting musts: QB, wide receivers, kicker and OL. Same as last year when we recruited zippo.

You think the offensive line played poorly today?

I think you'd struggle to make a case that they played great.

There's quite a gulf between poor and great.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: tdaver on November 26, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
Kleiman’s tenure before today.  Never a single W or L.  Be prepared for an L in Austin.

3W
2L
3W
2L
2W
2L
4W
5L
3W
3L
4W

Welp… I guess we have shot to win a meaningless bowl game now.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on November 26, 2021, 02:05:36 PM
5-4
4-5
4-5
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 02:06:53 PM
He will end next year 3 or 4 games under .500 in big 12 play after 4 years.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on November 26, 2021, 02:07:38 PM
Can Klein and mess


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on November 26, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
not kryleman's best day.  i'm back on the fence for firing him; at the very least we should hot seat him.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
Can Klein and mess


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Hard to fire your best buds and great former players

Don't blame Klein for that crap show
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 26, 2021, 02:15:38 PM
He's finishing his tenure at K-State next year after a 4-8 season if he doesn't get a transfer QB.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 02:24:11 PM
Holy crap Klieman just roasted Courtney on his interview with Wyatt and Stan
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Tobias on November 26, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
:pray:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: chum1 on November 26, 2021, 02:25:12 PM
I don't expect him to be a lot worse next year. Or a lot better. He's been consistent!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
I don't expect him to be a lot worse next year. Or a lot better. He's been consistent!
Yeah to chings later points if he gets OL and DL depth and a QB I think he can have much better seasons than we had this year. Thompson is a below average Big 12 quarterback. Next year night be a little worse but not much
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: PurpleOil on November 26, 2021, 02:40:59 PM
Holy crap Klieman just roasted Courtney on his interview with Wyatt and Stan

For those of us who couldn't listen, what was said?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 02:41:28 PM
Holy crap Klieman just roasted Courtney on his interview with Wyatt and Stan

 :emawkid:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 02:47:20 PM
Unprompted his first sentence was "I guess I gotta get involved in the game plan, I don't know what that was." Then he talked about not playing to Will's strengths. Then he talked about how deflating the first drive of the second half was then mentioned the game plan again.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 26, 2021, 03:18:34 PM
Paraphrased Klieman quotes from the post game presser:

'I think we should have won the game'

'I need to do a better job to make sure we have a plan to execute'

'with our offensive players we should be able to get a yard or half yard and didn't'

'i'm frustrated we should be at 8 or 9 wins'


Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 03:31:05 PM
Unprompted his first sentence was "I guess I gotta get involved in the game plan, I don't know what that was." Then he talked about not playing to Will's strengths. Then he talked about how deflating the first drive of the second half was then mentioned the game plan again.
He gone


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 03:34:38 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game.  I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 03:39:49 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game.  I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.
I know little about Wells’ offensive prowess. Tell me something good, pls.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game.  I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.
I know little about Wells’ offensive prowess. Tell me something good, pls.


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He recruited and developed Jordan Love (1st round draft pick for packers at QB) at Utah State. His Utah State offense had the third best PPP in FBS in his final year in 2018 at .622 only behind Bama and OU.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game.  I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.
I know little about Wells’ offensive prowess. Tell me something good, pls.


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He recruited and developed Jordan Love (1st round draft pick for packers at QB) at Utah State. His Utah State offense had the third best PPP in FBS in his final year in 2018 at .622 only behind Bama and OU.
I like what I’m hearing.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
Saw someone on KSO say if the Texas loss gets us a new OC, then it will have been worth it.

I hate to see us lose, but I’d agree with that statement.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2021, 04:04:43 PM
The game was pretty meaningless either way tbh
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:08:40 PM
Matt Wells was at the last home basketball game.  I’d say Mess is going to retire shortly.

 :surprised: Klieman talked EXTENSIVELY about his friend Matt Wells during the post game press conference
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 04:11:10 PM
The game was pretty meaningless either way tbh
Aside from it taking a glaringly poor performance from the OC to lose it, I agree.

It’s exactly the type of performance that gets a coach canned/retired.

If I’m Klieman, I can my good buddy Mess and bring in my younger good buddy Wells and let him hire whatever offensive staff he chooses.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
The game was pretty meaningless either way tbh
Aside from it taking a glaringly poor performance from the OC to lose it, I agree.

It’s exactly the type of performance that gets a coach canned/retired.

If I’m Klieman, I can my good buddy Mess and bring in my younger good buddy Wells and let him hire whatever offensive staff he chooses.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
@wetwillie has got me all horned up for Wells and I'm going to call you all kinds of [redacted] when it doesn't happen
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2021, 05:04:41 PM
@wetwillie has got me all horned up for Wells and I'm going to call you all kinds of [redacted] when it doesn't happen

It's the one thing keeping me going after watching that disaster today.  We deserve to have some nice things and Matt Wells would be a very nice thing imo. 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BostonPancake on November 26, 2021, 08:50:11 PM
I’m #TeamWells
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 09:45:47 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting.  Now I'm hoping this happens immediately.  If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win.  :love: 
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 26, 2021, 09:58:39 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting.  Now I'm hoping this happens immediately.  If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win.  :love:

While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:

2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 10:00:40 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting.  Now I'm hoping this happens immediately.  If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win.  :love:

While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:

2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense

I wonder who his OC was in '18.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 26, 2021, 10:03:57 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting.  Now I'm hoping this happens immediately.  If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win.  :love:

While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:

2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense

I wonder who his OC was in '18.

David Yost - formerly of Mizzou (and a bunch of other schools).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: muqluk on November 26, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
Idgaf about record as HC

I care about record as the OC
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 10:43:16 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting.  Now I'm hoping this happens immediately.  If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win.  :love:

While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:

2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense

I wonder who his OC was in '18.

David Yost - formerly of Mizzou (and a bunch of other schools).

Yost was the OC at Mizzou under Pinkel their last few years in the Big 12, including the I left my kitchen on fire game. Wells also fired him at tech last year
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 11:35:57 PM
Damn, those last few posts were very interesting.  Now I'm hoping this happens immediately.  If Wells is our OC next week I hope he coaches the guys for a bowl win.  :love:

While it would be hard to fathom a worse OC than Messingham, Wells wasn't exactly rolling aces during his entire tenure at Utah State:

2012 (as OC at Utah State): 26th in scoring offense
2013 (as head coach at Utah State): 49th in scoring offense
2014 (hc USU): 81st in scoring offense
2015 (hc USU): 64th in scoring offense
2016 (hc USU): 107th in scoring offense
2017 (hc USU): 51st in scoring offense
2018 (hc at USU): 3rd in scoring offense

I wonder who his OC was in '18.

David Yost - formerly of Mizzou (and a bunch of other schools).

Yost was the OC at Mizzou under Pinkel their last few years in the Big 12, including the I left my kitchen on fire game. Wells also fired him at tech last year

Not a fan of this Yost guy it's just amazing he ended up with a number 3 offense in '18 and then layed one turd after another.  Hope Wells doesn't turn out to be a bust.  At least Kleiman and Wells should get along and he has a history of OC and HC experience.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on November 27, 2021, 12:59:08 PM
Unprompted his first sentence was "I guess I gotta get involved in the game plan, I don't know what that was." Then he talked about not playing to Will's strengths. Then he talked about how deflating the first drive of the second half was then mentioned the game plan again.

i wonder what ham and potatoes face does all week if he’s not involved with the game planning.  probably just sits around counting all of his money
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2021, 01:56:07 PM
Be real, how much work did all of you get done this week? Kind of hard to get mad at the coaches for slacking off like the rest of the American population  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on November 27, 2021, 04:08:49 PM
Be real, how much work did all of you get done this week? Kind of hard to get mad at the coaches for slacking off like the rest of the American population  :th_twocents:

Oh so you make millions and get to dick around until late December, so why is the eff would you care about working.
M I Right?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 03, 2021, 08:05:03 PM
Credit where credit is due. I didn't think Kleigoober would have the stones to fire his buddy Mess. However, he did and he might have saved his own career at KSU by doing so.

Here's to hoping he convinces small times Taylor to pony up some extra cash to go get us a legit OC.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2021, 08:06:40 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 03, 2021, 08:13:02 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.

If I'm him, I'm going after an A+ recruiter who has minimal to no experience as an OC. I assume we will keep CK. He can fill in the gaps. We aren't going to get some stuff recruiter who is also a great coordinator. Let's roll the dice for once.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2021, 08:23:38 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.

I think he's seen how difficult it is recruiting to an average fbs program as opposed to recruiting to the best fcs program. Maybe he'll use that as a focus for the WR/TE coach instead.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.

don't listen to those KSO sad sacks
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2021, 08:36:02 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.

don't listen to those KSO sad sacks

Supposedly two other contenders, so there is some hope.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on December 03, 2021, 08:36:49 PM
I questioned Kleiman’s ability to determine whether to let Mess go. I don’t really doubt his ability to hire a good replacement. Unless it’s another longtime friend with a mediocre resume I will very much be in the cautiously optimistic camp until next fall.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
Replacing Mess with Polasek is not going to excite the fan base, I hope he doesn’t do that. I think he’s going to though.

don't listen to those KSO sad sacks

Supposedly two other contenders, so there is some hope.

exactly two? :dubious:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on December 03, 2021, 08:43:28 PM
I’m somewhat surprised no FCS coordinators have been mentioned.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Winters on December 03, 2021, 08:43:47 PM
I’m somewhat surprised no FCS coordinators have been mentioned.
:excited:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on December 03, 2021, 08:44:15 PM
Polacek
Tech guy
Klein


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2021, 08:51:38 PM
Way to go, Chris!!!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
Polasek's offense at WYO was total woof this past year, outside of the run game.   Nearly last in D1 in passing. 

As I recall, when he was on staff at Iowa their offense wasn't that great either, but that's always been a knock against KF.

Maybe he's a great recruiter.

Title: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on December 03, 2021, 10:08:57 PM
Polasek's offense at WYO was total woof this past year, outside of the run game.   Nearly last in D1 in passing. 

As I recall, when he was on staff at Iowa their offense wasn't that great either, but that's always been a knock against KF.

Maybe he's a great recruiter.
The Iowa olines were really good (at least talent wise).  I read some NDSU forums back when we hired Messingham.  A lot of comments praising the new scheme (Mess) over what Polasek was running.

(I do think Wyoming had some pretty significant qb issues).  But 3 pts against New Mexico is pretty cringe worthy.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 17, 2022, 05:24:18 PM
Let's warm up the bandwagon. Another terrible loss and this one is on his inability to find a mediocre QB 4 years into his tenure. 

We are in a very scary situation with AM, Rubes, and Howard.  This season has the potential to go south in a hurry.  The talent outside of AM should assure us 7 wins, but if the D loses motivation knowing our offense is completely one dimensional, we are done.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 05:26:19 PM
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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on September 17, 2022, 05:33:15 PM
if it was just that we sucked, maybe we could give him more time.  but now with ku passing us by as well, i don't see how clineman survives.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 05:36:38 PM
if it was just that we sucked, maybe we could give him more time.  but now with ku passing us by as well, i don't see how clineman survives.
Seat just got hotter for our guy Tang too.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on September 17, 2022, 05:36:44 PM
I liked the principle behind hiring him and taking the risk. 

But the returns are not particularly positive.  He's had bad losing streaks and glaring bad loses.  There's always the chance the season will get saved and we'll be competitive in the Big 12, and I'd give him full credit for it if we are.  If the bottom falls out, however, then I think we really need to think hard about pulling the plug on this particular experiment.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 05:37:23 PM
The AD and football coach are inseparable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 05:38:13 PM
I think it would be unwise to fire CK before Gene Taylor.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 05:38:37 PM
Now, if Tang beats KU, all is forgiven.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on September 17, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
Peggy pos: Nebraska won’t be calling for Kleiman, AJ will feel confident he can come in and start as a true freshman at QB.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Institutional Control on September 17, 2022, 06:22:03 PM
Pretty embarrassing loss.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on September 17, 2022, 06:28:37 PM
Yeah when he loses to KU this year that will officially mark the beginning of his end here.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on September 17, 2022, 06:44:29 PM
Stan rough ridin' Parrish lost to Tulane. Then he got his ass fired. Get it together Klieman.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: OK_Cat on September 17, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
This is as worse as any Ron Prince loss.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2022, 07:48:58 PM
Trending


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 07:52:53 PM
Ron lost 3 in a row to KU
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 07:53:47 PM
Ron lost 3 in a row to KU
Which SHOULD ALWAYS be grounds for termination. 3 in a row and you are out.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: steve dave on September 17, 2022, 07:58:27 PM
hire Leopold imo


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 08:02:21 PM
We can’t afford that!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2022, 08:02:50 PM
His OC maybe?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 18, 2022, 11:49:54 AM
The AD and football coach are inseparable.

1000%.  If you are a Kleiman lover, this loss is a huge plus for you as absolutely no other school will pursue him now.  Not with any kind of buyout.  He is ours for as long as we will have him, which is as long as Gene is our AD.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 01:04:47 PM
I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFU
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on September 18, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFU
I'm assuming any "fire Klieman" talk is just goemawing. I hope so anyway or we really have some dumbasses here. I'm also still assuming at least a bowl season this year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
Whether gE'ing or not, Avery won't be swayed by people chirping about Klieman. I'm just all in on CKx2 until Avery gets to the draft combine in March of 2026. At that point, I'll stop caring about Klieman and his maga OC
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2022, 02:07:50 PM
Even Scott frost was able to squeeze out at least 3 wins from Adrian
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 02:36:54 PM
I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFU
I'm assuming any "fire Klieman" talk is just goemawing. I hope so anyway or we really have some dumbasses here. I'm also still assuming at least a bowl season this year.
Which 4 wins are you counting on as being in the bag?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 02:55:27 PM
Even Scott frost was able to squeeze out at least 3 wins from Adrian

Yeah but he had this guy
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X5h7u8UBaYUVMIa6tAZcdOyPV3g=/1400x1400/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/12314903/verduzco.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: KITNfury on September 18, 2022, 02:57:32 PM
I was going to ignore this idiocy but y'all aren't about to ruin Avery Johnson for me so STFU
I'm assuming any "fire Klieman" talk is just goemawing. I hope so anyway or we really have some dumbasses here. I'm also still assuming at least a bowl season this year.
Which 4 wins are you counting on as being in the bag?
I'm not counting any specific 4 teams as auto wins, but 4 teams are around our level and there's always a chance of an upset or 2 against the better teams. We still have a good defense that will keep us in many games. Offense has to improve though.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
We're heading for a 7-8 win season, get used to it.  CK will be coaching as long as the Mustang is around.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2022, 04:07:53 PM
We're heading for a 7-8 win season, get used to it.  CK will be coaching as long as the Mustang is around.

That seems incredibly optimistic given what we have seen so far.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 18, 2022, 04:19:21 PM
We're heading for a 7-8 win season, get used to it.  CK will be coaching as long as the Mustang is around.

Yea lol that is very wishful. Lol football, what a dumb rough ridin' sport.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 10:04:41 PM
7 wins would be a really good season at this point.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on September 19, 2022, 08:42:17 AM
Whether gE'ing or not, Avery won't be swayed by people chirping about Klieman. I'm just all in on CKx2 until Avery gets to the draft combine in March of 2026. At that point, I'll stop caring about Klieman and his maga OC
This is where I’m at unless of course we continue to land similar level studs.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2022, 11:31:15 PM
As many wins against top 10 teams in 3 and a quarter seasons than Snyder in 27 seasons.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2022, 11:33:13 PM
he's the oscar weber of football
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:33:40 PM
he's the oscar weber of football

Lol, ok
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on September 24, 2022, 11:34:56 PM
he’s about approximately one million times more likable than oscar and he takes responsibility, unlike oscar
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 24, 2022, 11:35:37 PM
he's the oscar weber of football

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2022, 11:36:03 PM
klieman's not really a likable guy
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:37:03 PM
As many wins against top 10 teams in 3 and a quarter seasons than Snyder in 27 seasons.

Now, I get the whole, we were beyond shitty needing to build into something, but goddamn that is something

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:37:29 PM
klieman's not really a likable guy

Lol ok
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2022, 11:42:08 PM
actually he's not really like oscar. i was thinking the winning big games thing. if oscar was a football coach, he would have like a 11 win season and then win 3 the next year. not win 7-8 games every year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2022, 11:44:22 PM
oscar also had more charisma
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ELL3 on September 24, 2022, 11:53:18 PM
he's the oscar weber of football

Truth, players love him just like Oscar and he's .500 in conference play. Not quite the roller coaster of the Oscar experience, at least yet. If we ever win 11 games (doubtful) in a season will he follow it up with a 2 and 10 record? Not as bad a comparison as one would think.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on September 24, 2022, 11:56:12 PM
he's the oscar weber of football

Truth, players love him just like Oscar and he's .500 in conference play. Not quite the roller coaster of the Oscar experience, at least yet. If we ever win 11 games (doubtful) in a season will he follow it up with a 2 and 10 record? Not as bad a comparison as one would think.

Lol it's trash, this program is never winning just 2 games a season.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 12:17:20 AM
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2022, 12:19:10 AM
he's the oscar weber of football

Truth, players love him . . .

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1573892164081389569
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bunter on September 25, 2022, 12:26:30 AM
Who hurt stunted? They're obviously a monster.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Duncan on September 25, 2022, 12:31:01 AM
yeah, eff off Stunted
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 12:33:30 AM
bunter and duncan, who tf are these guys lmao
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bunter on September 25, 2022, 12:41:15 AM
bunter and duncan, who tf are these guys lmao
Fans of ksu
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: HugeCat on September 25, 2022, 12:43:02 AM
(https://y.yarn.co/7be8753f-13cb-46b0-bcab-1b4b02d2ce1e_screenshot.jpg)
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.
Sup, Cruiser

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2022, 12:48:34 AM
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.

Hell yeah brother
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on September 25, 2022, 02:51:28 AM
You want highs and lows?  We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field.  That’s highs and lows baby.

***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on September 25, 2022, 03:12:02 AM
cfbandyman: happy with mediocrity, probably has a stable boring job and lives in a comfortable house in a safe neighborhood with a billion other identical houses with his wife, 2 kids and a dog.
ell3 and i: live for the highs and lows of life. loves hot women with daddy issues, fast cars, and cocaine.

Hell yeah brother

 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2022, 08:48:22 AM
he's the oscar weber of football

Truth, players love him . . .

https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1573892164081389569

Ok while I don’t think CK and oscar are the same, I have to say the way he was jumping with both arms up like that reminded me of that photo of oscar with his arms up after a win and it looked like his suit jacket was like he was borrowing his dads bc it was picture day
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 08:50:16 AM
You want highs and lows?  We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field.  That’s highs and lows baby.

***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think

you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2022, 09:48:22 AM
You want highs and lows?  We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field.  That’s highs and lows baby.

***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think

you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
oscar would still be here if he was the basketball equivalent of a 7-8 win coach
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2022, 10:01:12 AM
You want highs and lows?  We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field.  That’s highs and lows baby.

***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think

you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
oscar would still be here if he was the basketball equivalent of a 7-8 win coach

Which I don't understand Stuntz hilariously bad take. oscar had 2 Big 12 champs and an Elite 8, which are some pretty damn good highs, and then 3 straight seasons of not even winning more than 6 big 12 games.

If he admits that oscar was an awkward AF coach and that's all he's trying to go for and that if he really wants to try and go for big and sexy then I got a Nebraska football program in shambles to sell him
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2022, 10:43:50 AM
mediocrity sells more tickets than inconsistency
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2022, 10:52:07 AM
You want highs and lows?  We lost to a bad*** Tulane team last week, and 7 days later outclassed top ten OU on their own field.  That’s highs and lows baby.

***Tulane lost to So. Miss tonight and Southern Miss is TERRIBLE I think

you are right. his seasons have lots of highs and lows but on the whole he seems like a consistent 7-8 win kind of coach.
oscar would still be here if he was the basketball equivalent of a 7-8 win coach

Which I don't understand Stuntz hilariously bad take. oscar had 2 Big 12 champs and an Elite 8, which are some pretty damn good highs, and then 3 straight seasons of not even winning more than 6 big 12 games.

If he admits that oscar was an awkward AF coach and that's all he's trying to go for and that if he really wants to try and go for big and sexy then I got a Nebraska football program in shambles to sell him

 :Take the Bait:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on September 27, 2022, 10:48:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdmtFyVXEAEBU98?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Pete on September 27, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
crap, does this mean he’s back on Nebraska’s list?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 27, 2022, 03:12:11 PM
Notre dame oc with an award. Ya congrats on scoring points against a defense that gave up 61 points to app st, and 24+ to other no name schools. Good luck Dylan Edwards
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2022, 06:07:24 PM
crap, does this mean he’s back on Nebraska’s list?

He may use that as cover to get a raise out of us but he would never go there.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2022, 07:11:44 PM
If he wins the Dr. Pepper, you can bet he'll get a renegotiated contract.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
If he wins the Dr. Pepper, you can bet he'll get a renegotiated contract.

Don’t even think he needs to get to the pepper.  If he wins 9 games and finishes 3rd he will get a new contract.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2022, 07:36:50 PM
If he wins the Dr. Pepper, you can bet he'll get a renegotiated contract.

Don’t even think he needs to get to the pepper.  If he wins 9 games and finishes 3rd he will get a new contract.

I won't argue with that prediction. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Skipper44 on September 27, 2022, 07:38:42 PM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2022, 09:19:16 PM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA

He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 27, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
No way he goes to Nubb. He doesn't seem to have that kind of ego.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2022, 10:30:15 PM
No way he goes to Nubb. He doesn't seem to have that kind of ego.

He doesn’t even do the appearances and crap that come with the job at KSU. He isn’t going to go to mini UT and deal with that dog and pony show.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on September 28, 2022, 12:14:23 AM
our rainman coach is going nowhere
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ChiComCat on September 28, 2022, 08:11:45 AM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA

He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.

lol, BFF Gene is countering the offer
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 28, 2022, 09:11:10 AM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA

He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.

lol, BFF Gene is countering the offer

NU has an unreal amount to throw at a coach, but I think their target is MC/ISU or LL/KU.  They have a major dislike for KSU.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wiley on September 28, 2022, 12:47:27 PM
Lol at Klieman going to NU, no way he trades in his Mustang for a TA

He will if Nubbs throws enough money his way and we don't counter the offer.

lol, BFF Gene is countering the offer
I think they throw all the money they have at Bill O’Brien.


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 29, 2022, 10:53:06 AM
mediocrity sells more tickets than inconsistency

"Preach"

Iowa State
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2022, 10:37:32 PM
On brand.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2022, 10:40:31 PM
On brand.

ironic
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 04:21:50 PM
Dickstone wanted this guy gone for years. lol. What a dork.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on October 29, 2022, 05:49:59 PM
extend kneilman now!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2022, 10:05:55 PM
If he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 10:24:21 PM
If he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.
I was told nobody wanted him tho
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2022, 10:41:49 PM
If he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.
I was told nobody wanted him tho

Are you talking about those that occupy bench seats during the game when they go and somehow they are team experts?  Also, the same ones who didn't want to give a true freshman QB credit for being only one of four FBS freshmen to play during a covid year and being the highest-rated QB for TDs of the four.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2022, 11:27:53 PM
I think I was the one damn person on the board who wanted him before he was hired and I don't think there will be lots of schools after him. He's a 55 year old program builder who has spent his entire football life in Iowa, Kansas, and North Dakota. He is not the guy to instantly breathe life into a program, he's old as far as coaches go, and his drinking buddy is his boss.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 11:49:15 PM
MIR, you literally talked crap on Howard two weeks ago because you didn’t want him behind Avery. Take the L
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 11:53:58 PM
MIR, you literally talked crap on Howard two weeks ago because you didn’t want him ahead of Avery. Take the L

 :beersmiley:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 29, 2022, 11:54:23 PM
I’ve turned. I’m excited. Big balls by GT if true and a huge gamble. I also like big boy football and that’s what we’d play if we hire Klieman.

 :cool:
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on October 29, 2022, 11:57:36 PM
If he gets this team at Dr. Pepper, there will be schools after him, and may cost KSU a lot of money.
I was told nobody wanted him tho

Are you talking about those that occupy bench seats during the game when they go and somehow they are team experts?  Also, the same ones who didn't want to give a true freshman QB credit for being only one of four FBS freshmen to play during a covid year and being the highest-rated QB for TDs of the four.
This never happened
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2022, 09:45:22 AM
I think I was the one damn person on the board who wanted him before he was hired and I don't think there will be lots of schools after him. He's a 55 year old program builder who has spent his entire football life in Iowa, Kansas, and North Dakota. He is not the guy to instantly breathe life into a program, he's old as far as coaches go, and his drinking buddy is his boss.
I was on board! Ian Boyd put forward a pretty good argument and I was convinced.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 30, 2022, 10:17:16 AM
It was jrake who sold me. But I think Kli was already hired at that point.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sys on September 16, 2023, 02:30:42 PM
kleesman must be made to understand that certain things are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on September 16, 2023, 02:32:16 PM
Yeesh what a stinker
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 16, 2023, 02:34:04 PM
He's got a high ceiling and a low floor. We just have to live with these crap performances from time to time.  What's frustrating is there is no reason for our O-line to look that shitty. That's coaching.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 16, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 16, 2023, 03:44:58 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

this is a pretty silly take
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on September 16, 2023, 04:05:25 PM
Yeah ngl being in th stadium no one thought he was going to make it. Especially after that FG he barely could get it to the end zone. That was not my issue with the game
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2023, 04:11:16 PM
I think Drinkwitz owes Mevis a boatload of money for what he did for him.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Every season Fuckhead is going to lose a game he shouldn't, it's just part of the deal, get used to it.
Title: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2023, 04:38:49 PM
I had zero expectations of us as title contenders this year. I’d be happy with contending for consecutive Big 12 titles and absolutely thrilled if we won another. That dream is still alive but I’d take Avery getting solid experience in place of an injured Howard if that’s where we’re at.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on September 16, 2023, 04:40:56 PM
Well yeah.  The Sugar Bowl showed us last year that we have no business playing for Nat'l titles, but conference is still possible.

Even so, I feel down about our chances...I'll feel better if we win next week.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2023, 05:46:53 PM
Be careful what you wish for. Per noted journalist sportsndstuff69:

https://twitter.com/sportsndstuff69/status/1703134159017783543?s=20
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: IPA4Me on September 16, 2023, 05:49:16 PM
Be careful what you wish for. Per noted journalist sportsndstuff69:

https://twitter.com/sportsndstuff69/status/1703134159017783543?s=20
Shut up.

https://twitter.com/sportsndstuff69/status/1703178570783416792?t=RCwBoA8i9Eqdeoi2FB_QQQ&s=19
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2023, 06:15:02 PM
Has sportsnstuff69 gotten a scoop wrong ever? Not since I’ve been a follower. That is a 1000% fact.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

 :lol: you are funny as hell after losses.

If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on September 17, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

 :lol: you are funny as hell after losses.

If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
OMG!

I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.

Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin'  egregious decision as well


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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on September 17, 2023, 09:29:52 AM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

 :lol: you are funny as hell after losses.

If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
OMG!

I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.

Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin'  egregious decision as well


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some say he would have made it from 70!
sometimes you just gotta realize it’s over, we lost. 

i want you to go into the upstairs bathroom and look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself- did these guys play well enough to win the ballgame yesterday?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 17, 2023, 09:46:07 AM
We weren't going to win in OT anyway.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 17, 2023, 10:05:40 AM
We weren't going to win in OT anyway.
Squawk outted
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 17, 2023, 10:15:11 AM
We scored 3 points on our last four drives with one legged Will.  Unless AJ was coming out for OT we didn't stand a chance.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2023, 12:37:27 AM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

 :lol: you are funny as hell after losses.

If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
OMG!

I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.

Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin'  egregious decision as well


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What the hell do you mean, pressuring the kick? Do you think the 10 guys on the line weren't trying to block the kick? How many blocked field goals have you ever seen? You wanna guess how many field goals Harrison Meavis has had blocked in his career?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2023, 12:38:27 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

 :lol: you are funny as hell after losses.

If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
OMG!

I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.

Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin'  egregious decision as well


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What the hell do you mean, pressuring the kick? Do you think the 10 guys on the line weren't trying to block the kick? How many blocked field goals have you ever seen? You wanna guess how many field goals Harrison Meavis has had blocked in his career?
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We absolutely did not pressure that kick up the middle at all.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 18, 2023, 12:54:39 PM
They did not pressure the kicker at all, and I understand why you wouldn’t on a 61 yard attempt. You don’t want to chance an offsides or roughing penalty on such a low percentage kick.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on September 18, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
They did not pressure the kicker at all, and I understand why you wouldn’t on a 61 yard attempt. You don’t want to chance an offsides or roughing penalty on such a low percentage kick.
Or a fake.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 'taterblast on September 18, 2023, 01:07:40 PM
i think the only head scratcher for me is Klieman not being prepared to call timeout when we got that delay of game at the goalline. he's always prepared to do that. i know he explained in the postgame that he trusted Will to get the play off, but that doesn't make much sense to me. i've seen him sprint his ass of several times to get a timeout called it's usually something he's prepared for.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2023, 01:10:09 PM
You pressure it up the middle where you think the ball path is likely to be.  You put big guys in there to push the line back and get hands up because with the longer kick the trajectory is likely to be lower.

There was a side view of the kick that made it look like if a hand was in the right place itd had a chance to be blocked.  Travis Britz had a knack for it.

I'm fine not coming off the edge but we should have stacked up that right side of the kicking formation to try and get a push there.

We chose to play the return and it would have allowed mizzou to rekick after a 5 yard penalty because we didn't get brooks/lee the velcro/zipper jersey on.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: _33 on September 18, 2023, 01:15:55 PM
Whenever one of our coaches makes a mistake on game day I always think to myself, would an AI-powered human/robot hybrid i.e. cyborg have made that same mistake? And if not, why don't we have one on the sidelines?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Shooter Jones on September 18, 2023, 02:18:08 PM
Huge loser take, but I'm kind of glad he made it.

If he missed it (especially a couple yards short), then we got the duplicate number 5 yard penalty to bail out Drinkwitz, and he made it on the second one from 56, it would suck way worse on a nut punch level.

Losing on the longest field goal in the history of the SEC is more of a wow, wtf just happened moment.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2023, 02:48:40 PM
Huge loser take, but I'm kind of glad he made it.

If he missed it (especially a couple yards short), then we got the duplicate number 5 yard penalty to bail out Drinkwitz, and he made it on the second one from 56, it would suck way worse on a nut punch level.

Losing on the longest field goal in the history of the SEC is more of a wow, wtf just happened moment.

this is true.

It won't feel as bad getting drilled by UCF at home because we're exposed as frauds now.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on September 18, 2023, 03:10:37 PM
Again, UCF is without its QB1. Cats are favored by a touchdown.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: konofo on September 18, 2023, 06:07:28 PM
QB2 looked adequate to me.

kono
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2023, 06:44:09 PM
Our QB1 ain't exactly 100%
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on September 18, 2023, 06:57:15 PM
Big 12 champion William Howard was a backup qb too.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2023, 07:51:31 PM
Would also like to add the last play was pretty indicative of shitty preparation. Apparently there was no scouting report on their kicker. rough ridin' doesn't bother trying to block it and sets up a return thinking there is a chance he's not going to at least clear the end zone.....

 :lol: you are funny as hell after losses.

If you're going to have a tantrum about the last play the least you could do is get mad that we had two 8s on the field at the same time
OMG!

I had assumed too many men on the field which is equally egregious. I think we had a time out there as well.

Not pressuring the kick was a rough ridin'  egregious decision as well


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What the hell do you mean, pressuring the kick? Do you think the 10 guys on the line weren't trying to block the kick? How many blocked field goals have you ever seen? You wanna guess how many field goals Harrison Meavis has had blocked in his career?

We absolutely did not pressure that kick up the middle at all.

So what? You know just bull rushing the middle isn't the only way to block a field goal, right? I'm never going to play the "you think you know better than the coach" card but I think that questioning field goal blocking play calls is a pretty niche thing that I'm guessing it helps, a lot, to have some experience in assessing what you're talking about.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1703594656787833220
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2023, 09:18:54 PM
Every season Fuckhead is going to lose a game he shouldn't, it's just part of the deal, get used to it.

IT never hurt OU.  We beat their ass three times and they still went to the CFP.  So in concern for our loss, who gives a eff.  I have to admit the AP and Coaches Poll were just waiting to knock us out of the top 25.  This is their way of keeping us as far away from the CFP as possible.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2023, 09:44:11 PM
How deep does this go daxdaddy?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2023, 11:17:32 PM
Years and years, my friend lib-bot seed 7.  We are a G5 school trying to play with the BIG BOYS in their eyes.  It's the old kick them when they're Down, syndrome.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 19, 2023, 09:25:14 AM
Years and years, my friend lib-bot seed 7.  We are a G5 school trying to play with the BIG BOYS in their eyes.  It's the old kick them when they're Down, syndrome.

hey now
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MadCat on September 19, 2023, 09:40:35 AM
Respected
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CNS on September 20, 2023, 12:44:19 PM
Spartan Fans is saying our guy is their top candidate
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 20, 2023, 03:52:24 PM
Spartan Fans is saying our guy is their top candidate

If I was them I'd go after Lightpole.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 20, 2023, 04:00:45 PM
Spartan Fans is saying our guy is their top candidate

If I was them I'd go after Lightpole.

definitely.  spartans are morons
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 20, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on September 20, 2023, 10:09:16 PM
Is tay tay prepared to not hire Collin?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2023, 10:27:47 PM
Sparty fans want Elko
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on September 21, 2023, 10:12:20 AM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.

Tucker came from Colorado! Just a year, but still. They aren't exactly Purdue.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on September 21, 2023, 11:06:03 AM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.

Tucker came from Colorado! Just a year, but still. They aren't exactly Purdue.

Yeah, Colorado was a G5 program and their athletic department was dead broke. You think Michigan State or any other non West Coast based Big 10 program not named Ohio State or Michigan would even get an interview with Deion today?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 21, 2023, 12:52:34 PM
They aren't getting either so it's whatever. Average Big 10 programs thinking that Big 12 coaches are going to go to their schools only for them to hire an assistant or a P5 head coach is a tale as old as time. Add to that, the MSU job is toxic right now, they aren't getting anybody good.

Tucker came from Colorado! Just a year, but still. They aren't exactly Purdue.

Yeah, Colorado was a G5 program and their athletic department was dead broke. You think Michigan State or any other non West Coast based Big 10 program not named Ohio State or Michigan would even get an interview with Deion today?

GBR!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 06, 2023, 08:48:07 PM
Thanks for last year, but this just isn't working out.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: goCats101 on October 06, 2023, 08:58:34 PM
Last year was his ceiling
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: 96 Cat on October 06, 2023, 10:34:06 PM
I just want to throw this out there. Anyone here get the feeling that Kleinman is throwing games? I have been watching college football since 1984 and I have never seen a coach handicap a team in games like Kleinman has. Mizzu and this game tonight at OSU and previous losses that were done by bonehead coaching. Johnson is clearly better than Howard and Ward is clearly better than Giddens. As bad as the Cats looked they are clearly better than OSU and all they had to do was run the ball. Going for 2 when it was clear they didn't need it at all??? The botching of the Mizzu game? Keeping Howard in when he was clearly hurt??? Is Vegas going to break his kneecaps if he wins???? Something stinks!!!!! Is Kleinman being paid to Kill K-State??? This may just be a game but the corruption of this country is out of control. With money going to players is did Howard take a dive??? Is Vegas fixing everything???
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2023, 10:34:21 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 06, 2023, 10:42:45 PM
I just want to throw this out there. Anyone here get the feeling that Kleinman is throwing games? I have been watching college football since 1984 and I have never seen a coach handicap a team in games like Kleinman has. Mizzu and this game tonight at OSU and previous losses that were done by bonehead coaching. Johnson is clearly better than Howard and Ward is clearly better than Giddens. As bad as the Cats looked they are clearly better than OSU and all they had to do was run the ball. Going for 2 when it was clear they didn't need it at all??? The botching of the Mizzu game? Keeping Howard in when he was clearly hurt??? Is Vegas going to break his kneecaps if he wins???? Something stinks!!!!! Is Kleinman being paid to Kill K-State??? This may just be a game but the corruption of this country is out of control. With money going to players is did Howard take a dive??? Is Vegas fixing everything???
I understand your frustration with the coaching decisions and game outcomes, but making accusations of coaches throwing games or suggesting that there's a conspiracy involving Vegas is a serious matter. It's important to remember that sports outcomes can be unpredictable, and coaches make decisions based on their judgment and the information they have at the time.

If you have concerns about the coaching or the integrity of the games, it's best to voice those concerns through appropriate channels, such as discussions with fellow fans, sports analysts, or your school's athletic department. Jumping to conclusions about corruption without evidence can be damaging and unfair to the individuals involved.

Remember that sports can be emotional, and sometimes things don't go as expected, but it's essential to approach such matters with a rational and evidence-based perspective.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 06, 2023, 10:54:36 PM
I just want to throw this out there. Anyone here get the feeling that Kleinman is throwing games? I have been watching college football since 1984 and I have never seen a coach handicap a team in games like Kleinman has. Mizzu and this game tonight at OSU and previous losses that were done by bonehead coaching. Johnson is clearly better than Howard and Ward is clearly better than Giddens. As bad as the Cats looked they are clearly better than OSU and all they had to do was run the ball. Going for 2 when it was clear they didn't need it at all??? The botching of the Mizzu game? Keeping Howard in when he was clearly hurt??? Is Vegas going to break his kneecaps if he wins???? Something stinks!!!!! Is Kleinman being paid to Kill K-State??? This may just be a game but the corruption of this country is out of control. With money going to players is did Howard take a dive??? Is Vegas fixing everything???
I understand your frustration with the coaching decisions and game outcomes, but making accusations of coaches throwing games or suggesting that there's a conspiracy involving Vegas is a serious matter. It's important to remember that sports outcomes can be unpredictable, and coaches make decisions based on their judgment and the information they have at the time.

If you have concerns about the coaching or the integrity of the games, it's best to voice those concerns through appropriate channels, such as discussions with fellow fans, sports analysts, or your school's athletic department. Jumping to conclusions about corruption without evidence can be damaging and unfair to the individuals involved.

Remember that sports can be emotional, and sometimes things don't go as expected, but it's essential to approach such matters with a rational and evidence-based perspective.

This guy's not a bot.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 06, 2023, 11:16:13 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2023, 11:18:41 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

It's a different time, reflect at the end of the season
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 06, 2023, 11:20:32 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

It's a different time, reflect at the end of the season
WHAT IF I WANT TO BE ANGRY RIGHT NOW kRUSTY, HUH!?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 06, 2023, 11:39:11 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

It's a different time, reflect at the end of the season
WHAT IF I WANT TO BE ANGRY RIGHT NOW kRUSTY, HUH!?

YEAH!

Patience is for puss... I mean, wimps.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2023, 11:51:30 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Kid In the Hall on October 07, 2023, 12:08:21 AM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.

I think its debatable on both fronts...

That '01 team had a raw Roberson as QB and weak leadership (Lockett, Leber, etc) and the 04 team had Bazooka Joe like issues at QB.

I'm referencing more talent vs. output - Snyder 1.0 mostly outperformed and I'd argue Snyder 2.0 did as well.

Is this Klieman team less talented than any of Synder 2.0 teams (aside from maybe 2011 and 2012)?

I don't think so, but it's a fair question.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2023, 06:27:04 AM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2023, 07:47:57 AM
Small-slow-not very athletic

Chris Kleiman taking a team into Stillwater, OK and that team looking like dog poop is batting 1000

Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2023, 08:53:33 AM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
The game last night actually reminded me of Baylor in 2012. Playing a conference opponent in a night road game who really shouldn’t have had a shot.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 07, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.
The game last night actually reminded me of Baylor in 2012. Playing a conference opponent in a night road game who really shouldn’t have had a shot.

Except 2012 Baylor was kind of on the upswing when we played them (I think they won maybe 3 straight at that point) and then they continued that upward trajectory for the next 2 seasons or wherever briles got the shitcanning he so richly deserved. I don’t think this okie lite team is going anywhere
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: ELL3 on October 07, 2023, 12:11:10 PM
Back to reality... I do find it interesting that Klieman probably has about the same WTF losses in 5 years that Synder had in all of Synder 1.0 or 2.0. Klieman obviously also has the highs of beating teams like OU, but still.

There's a fair bit of comfort in knowing you're going to beat the teams you should and lose to the teams you should. And Klieman is taking a massive dump all over that concept.

Is that better/worse?

Snyder 2.0? You're misremembering the crap out of that. Snyder 2.0 was good for two seasons. This team is better that any pre or post Klein QB'd team that Snyder 2.0 had. crap, for that matter Snyder 1.0 had entire WTF seasons, '01 and '04 immediately come to mind.

2011, 2012, 2014, 2016 are all better than 2023 team
2013, 2017 are the same as this team
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: kim carnes on October 07, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
The good news is we’re not paying him very much (right??)
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2023, 03:26:01 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 07, 2023, 03:37:10 PM
I think the meltdown is more about the performance than the outcome.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 07, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
That's pretty disappointing for a team picked to compete for conference championship.

And only 3 more conference losses seems very unlikely.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 07, 2023, 03:39:34 PM
But honestly we all know if KU finishes higher than KSU this year and on a path to pass the program then Klieman will have a warm seat very quickly.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2023, 03:47:26 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2023, 04:16:56 PM
But honestly we all know if KU finishes higher than KSU this year and on a path to pass the program then Klieman will have a warm seat very quickly.

LOL relax
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2023, 04:19:46 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 07, 2023, 04:25:31 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule

Every road game is going to be a battle, especially if Will contiinues to be so generous/inconsistent.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2023, 04:27:11 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule

Every road game is going to be a battle, especially if Will contiinues to be so generous/inconsistent.

Well yeah but we only have 3 road games left and Tech and KU are still very winnable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: stunted on October 07, 2023, 04:30:08 PM
ku is going to push our crap in
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 07, 2023, 04:33:15 PM
In looking at the schedule, I don't see any SEMOs or Troys remaining?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
ku is going to push our crap in
the hawks won’t win another game this year post-ucf

@osu
ou
@isu
tech
@ksu east stadium
@cinci
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 07, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
ku is going to push our crap in
the hawks won’t win another game this year post-ucf

@osu
ou
@isu
tech
@ksu east stadium
@cinci

Live look at 'clams

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2023, 05:34:12 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

8-4 will be tough, but I still think Texas is the only definite loss on the schedule
I actually think Texas is a win this year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2023, 11:28:37 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 08, 2023, 12:49:14 PM
at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty

i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2023, 01:00:26 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.

I honestly have no idea what any of this means.  I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins.  Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games.  If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6.  To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 08, 2023, 01:27:00 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.

I honestly have no idea what any of this means.  I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins.  Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games.  If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6.  To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.

We've already beaten a few teams that are magnitudes of order better than OSU. OSU is probably the worst team that I have ever watched a K-State football team lose to.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 08, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.

I honestly have no idea what any of this means.  I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins.  Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games.  If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6.  To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.

We've already beaten a few teams that are magnitudes of order better than OSU. OSU is probably the worst team that I have ever watched a K-State football team lose to.

Agreed, it was like perplexing to watch them just absolutely play one of the worst games tbh. I know they can do better
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 08, 2023, 02:15:43 PM
The best team we've beaten is either UCF or Troy.  I don't see them as orders of magnitude better than Oklahoma State.  In fact I'd argue UCF is worse.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 08, 2023, 02:31:12 PM
The best team we've beaten is either UCF or Troy.  I don't see them as orders of magnitude better than Oklahoma State.  In fact I'd argue UCF is worse.

UCF appears to not have a defense, which is one of the three phases of football (offense and special teams being the other two). I watched with my own (2) eyes as KSU displayed perhaps the strangest poor performance I've ever seen on Friday night. Will Howard looked like total ass. It was just an uncharacteristic game all around. I think you just burn the game film and treat it like it never even happened, because there was just too much weird ass crap that happened during that game. You guys are nowhere near as bad as you looked against OSU.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2023, 04:21:54 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.

I honestly have no idea what any of this means.  I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins.  Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games.  If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6.  To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.

We've already beaten a few teams that are magnitudes of order better than OSU. OSU is probably the worst team that I have ever watched a K-State football team lose to.
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that you can lose to a team that is worse than you are and you can still be a better team the rest of the way
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 08, 2023, 04:52:40 PM
That's true.  My general rule is that you're probably better than the second best team you've beat and worse than the second worst team you lost to. 

In that case we're in between Missouri and Troy.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 08, 2023, 06:16:17 PM
at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty

i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season

Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 08, 2023, 06:33:52 PM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.

I honestly have no idea what any of this means.  I think Houston at home and Baylor at home are pretty much automatic W's to get to 5 total wins.  Don't see us winning any of the remaining road games.  If you win the remaining home games then you get to 7, split and you get 6.  To get to 8 would mean running the table at home and winning a road game against 3 teams that appear to be orders of magnitude better than OSU.

I'm not sure what you're taking exception to, I said 8-4ish, that's exactly what you just described.

Did you list Baylor at home as an automatic win but not Iowa State because you realized that going 2 and 2 in those other games, 3 of wick are also against other mid teams, would give us 8 wins?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2023, 07:27:59 PM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below.   I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.

1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Spracne on October 08, 2023, 07:29:05 PM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below.   I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.

1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT

I love you.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 08, 2023, 08:35:15 PM
at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty

i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season

Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
there’s nothing a parent won’t do for their child.
have you thought that perhaps snyder’s other motivation may be a conspiratorial effort to bolster his son’s new program , the kansas hawks?

we don’t want the recruits knowing this information- but what’s clear to me is that word made it to dylan edwards’ family which drove his decommitment, how many others know?

i’m guessing that bill has a burner phone and a host of fake profiles on all the socials that he’s using to spread his information.  he was always suspiciously close to holly row, there’s no telling what she has been exposed to.

he’s squeezing klieman with the death grip of a python.  unbelievable.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 08, 2023, 09:51:16 PM
at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty

i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season

Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
there’s nothing a parent won’t do for their child.
have you thought that perhaps snyder’s other motivation may be a conspiratorial effort to bolster his son’s new program , the kansas hawks?

we don’t want the recruits knowing this information- but what’s clear to me is that word made it to dylan edwards’ family which drove his decommitment, how many others know?

i’m guessing that bill has a burner phone and a host of fake profiles on all the socials that he’s using to spread his information.  he was always suspiciously close to holly row, there’s no telling what she has been exposed to.

he’s squeezing klieman with the death grip of a python.  unbelievable.

The goEMAW premium subscription comes thru in the clutch yet again.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 09, 2023, 09:27:46 AM
at this point, i’m starting to think that coach snyder is telling opposing coaches our playbook in an effort to get klieman fired so that snyder could come back for one more shot at a natty

i’d love for anyone here to provide a more plausible explanation for what has transpired this season

Clams just out here showing where all the bodies are buried. Like yeah, of course, obviously there is not a single person alive on this planet who doesn’t realize there is a saboteur in the ranks. There is absolutely treachery afoot but you don’t need to go broadcasting it to the whole dang world!
there’s nothing a parent won’t do for their child.
have you thought that perhaps snyder’s other motivation may be a conspiratorial effort to bolster his son’s new program , the kansas hawks?

we don’t want the recruits knowing this information- but what’s clear to me is that word made it to dylan edwards’ family which drove his decommitment, how many others know?

i’m guessing that bill has a burner phone and a host of fake profiles on all the socials that he’s using to spread his information.  he was always suspiciously close to holly row, there’s no telling what she has been exposed to.

he’s squeezing klieman with the death grip of a python.  unbelievable.

Ok clams let’s just drop the charade…you are a hacker and you are the one who traced the IP address to triangulate LHCBS’s secret livejournal where he’s documenting all of his various plots and schemes to undermine coach hamface. I would ask that you not disclose the url at this time, but I guess the bigger question is:
What should be done? Do we let coach Snyder have his way? And if so would it be better to preemptively CAN CHRIS or do we let Snyder completely implode The Program before bringing him back to fix it? I’m coming at this from the perspective of what’s is best for ksucatsu football
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: cfbandyman on October 09, 2023, 09:36:55 AM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below.   I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.

1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT

I love you.

Not gE I would pretty much rank it that way too. ku has the best shot to finally get a win, at home, they will throw everything at us, and I don't blame them.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 09, 2023, 10:07:21 AM
This team isn't better than 2014 or 2016.

I wasn't making the argument that they are, probably going to end up around the same as both of those teams, 8-4ish. Which makes the meltdown that some people are having, really confusing to me.

I think you might be the only one that still thinks this team can win 8 games.

Everyone thinks this team CAN win go 5-2 with the schedule we have left. If you, or anyone else, doesn't think we can win 8 that means you have doubts about 6 and I'll take that bet right now, name your terms.

If the team continues on the current trajectory, I have doubts about 6 wins.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 11:17:20 AM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2023, 11:26:07 AM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.
What did you think it would be
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 11:33:25 AM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.
What did you think it would be

Closer to +7, last I looked it was +1 but it may have moved more since then.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2023, 11:35:01 AM
our offense has a few pretty tough problems to solve for itself.  Will can't create in the pocket.  Our OL is not good at pass blocking.  Our WRs can't really create separation. 

Fixing any one of those issues goes a long way, but I don't know how fixable that stuff is.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bananaeater on October 09, 2023, 12:35:50 PM
Line on the TTU game is a lot closer than I thought it would be. I will wait for snowbrag to come out before thinking more about it.
What did you think it would be

Closer to +7, last I looked it was +1 but it may have moved more since then.

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2023, 12:44:11 PM
Snowbrag has us as 2 point favorites, I won't quit my day job to become a handicapper.  @bananaeater I assume you are staying away from cats to cover on this one?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 09, 2023, 12:48:19 PM
Snowbrag has us as 2 point favorites, I won't quit my day job to become a handicapper.  @bananaeater I assume you are staying away from cats to cover on this one?

I bet TTU moneyline.  Cats struggling, night game in Lubbock.....
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 09, 2023, 02:06:04 PM
We're going to get throttled unless our receivers magically start getting open
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 09, 2023, 02:52:42 PM
We're going to get throttled unless our receivers magically start getting open

We have had mostly crappy forever.  We make up for it my spaghetti'ing our QB's domes.  Why should we change now?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2023, 03:44:26 PM
I would handicap the remaining games from most likely to win to least likely to win below.   I think 7 is the most likely outcome, with 4 home wins being slightly more probable than 3 home wins and a road win.

1. Houston
2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. ISU
5. TTU
6. KU
7. UT

Agree.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bananaeater on October 09, 2023, 07:10:16 PM
Snowbrag has us as 2 point favorites, I won't quit my day job to become a handicapper.  @bananaeater I assume you are staying away from cats to cover on this one?

Rule #10 - Never ever ever give up. 

I'm ride or die.  Cats to cover.

"Money takes wings.  The only thing that endures is character" - OJ Simpson
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 10, 2023, 07:50:21 AM
i hope to one day party with bananaeater. absolute legend.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: kim carnes on October 14, 2023, 08:15:22 PM
I don’t feel great about having this guy as our head coach
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: CHONGS on October 14, 2023, 08:18:31 PM
He has to let Klanderman go or he should go too
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: kim carnes on October 14, 2023, 08:22:50 PM
The problems go beyond that
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 14, 2023, 09:29:24 PM
The D is uncharacteristically bad, but I don’t see a ton of other faults. Credit to CKx2 knowing we needed Avery to win that game.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2023, 09:31:34 PM
history has shown fuckhead has no problem switching qb's
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Katpappy on October 14, 2023, 11:32:18 PM
CK stated last week after the OSU lost why he didn't put AJ in and he said that was a decision for CO CK to make as he had faith in CK's reasons for why and what he was doing regarding the offense.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2023, 12:23:24 AM
The D is uncharacteristically bad, but I don’t see a ton of other faults. Credit to CKx2 knowing we needed Avery to win that game.

Under what measurement is this defense bad?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2023, 12:34:43 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.

Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: bananaeater on October 15, 2023, 12:39:41 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.

Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.
Defense has been on the field too much this year methinks.  Could just be my perception.  Quick 3-and outs not helpful.

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Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 07:07:13 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.

Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.

I'm not saying the defense isn't worse this year, but last night was a pretty poor data point using the "comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year" metric
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2023, 07:36:48 AM
I guess comparing the points allowed of last year vs the same teams this year so far.

Also just the types of scores allowed seem bad to the ol’ eyeball test.

So the eye test it is then. Against P5 opponents this year, tech has scored 30, 13, and 39 and 49 their previous two games, we held them to 21. The defense held them under their season averages for points, yards, rushing yards, and forced 3 turnovers.

We did give up 3 red zone TDs tonight but going into the game only Michigan had given up fewer red zone touchdowns on the year. The defense is absolutely fine. Don't let Chingon's in game anxiety, which, I legitimately can't tell if it's sincere or gEing, sway you that something is wrong with our defense.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2023, 07:43:59 AM
The defense has held every opponent, other than Oklahoma State, under their season average, and it's not like the offense is playing the old LHC Bill Snyder slothfense either.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 15, 2023, 07:47:11 AM
We are giving up more points per play than last year but it's not terrible.  Also we played the entire second half against TTU's third string QB so it's not really an apples to apples.  My expectation going into this year was always that the defense would drop off because you can't lose 4 NFL players and reload with the way we recruit.  I just thought we would score 40 a game and it wouldn't matter.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 15, 2023, 08:28:24 AM
Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 08:35:50 AM
Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.

Last year's 3rd down efficiency defense was 34% and this year's is 32%.

Why are people melting down about that win last night? I was hitting the sauce pretty hard but lol what did I miss
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2023, 09:15:44 AM
The defense has held every opponent, other than Oklahoma State, under their season average, and it's not like the offense is playing the old LHC Bill Snyder slothfense either.
We’ll see how the data shakes out by the end, but on that last point we did play UCF’s backup QB making his first start and then Tech’s 3rd string. So you expect those outputs to be under their averages anyway (aside from the fact that just about everyone’s first four games or so are more likely to be blowouts).
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 10:33:31 AM
The defense has held every opponent, other than Oklahoma State, under their season average, and it's not like the offense is playing the old LHC Bill Snyder slothfense either.
We’ll see how the data shakes out by the end, but on that last point we did play UCF’s backup QB making his first start and then Tech’s 3rd string. So you expect those outputs to be under their averages anyway (aside from the fact that just about everyone’s first four games or so are more likely to be blowouts).

Does the defense also get to hedge based on our linebacker and secondary injuries?
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 15, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.

Last year's 3rd down efficiency defense was 34% and this year's is 32%.

Why are people melting down about that win last night? I was hitting the sauce pretty hard but lol what did I miss

My melting down was really more about our choices on offense. Defensively though, the YAC yards were troubling. Who knows maybe their rb is really good but there were so many times we’d get to him in the backfield and somehow he managed to squirt through for 4 or 5 yds. I think just about every time we had them in 3rd and long it they didn’t pick it up they got it to 4th and worth a shot, and then they would pick it up. And several of those it wasn’t busted coverage it was an 8 yd pass and the guy would drag the defender(s) for 7 or 8 more
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: wetwillie on October 15, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
The DB and LB depth isnt really any different than losing Ward for a game and Duffie being out for several games and Keegan Johnson being perpetually injured.  The D is fine for what we need it to be, I don't think it's lost us any games this year.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 15, 2023, 10:59:12 AM
I mean, based on the small sample size it would appear  that yes, if AJ stays healthy then we really only need the defense to get maybe 2 stops per game, but I don’t want our game plan to be “defense? Lmao who actually cares?”
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 10:59:15 AM


Would be curious how this year and last years Ds compare on 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Bc just based on the eye test, it seems like we are giving up 3rd down conversions like they’re going out of style. And when we d they do get to 4th down, if it’s 4th and less than 5 they are absolutely going for it (and converting it). I mean look at last night. Who has 4th and 2 inside their own 20 and goes for it (barring total desperation)? But it made perfect sense and, unsurprisingly, they converted it easily with a run up the middle.

Last year's 3rd down efficiency defense was 34% and this year's is 32%.

Why are people melting down about that win last night? I was hitting the sauce pretty hard but lol what did I miss

My melting down was really more about our choices on offense. Defensively though, the YAC yards were troubling. Who knows maybe their rb is really good but there were so many times we’d get to him in the backfield and somehow he managed to squirt through for 4 or 5 yds. I think just about every time we had them in 3rd and long it they didn’t pick it up they got it to 4th and worth a shot, and then they would pick it up. And several of those it wasn’t busted coverage it was an 8 yd pass and the guy would drag the defender(s) for 7 or 8 more

The rb leads the league in rushing yards fwiw
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2023, 11:05:10 AM
My perception is we give up more explosive plays than last year but we are basically the same as last year with that stat too. I think folks just have a skewed perception of the defense quality we had last year
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: pissclams on October 15, 2023, 12:08:09 PM
defense is fine since I just want an offense that scores a ton of points, is unstoppable, and out scores their opponents
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: Cire on October 16, 2023, 02:05:33 PM
our defense is top half and has been really pretty elite against the run.

My eye test says we're prone to giving up explosive plays in the passing game but also our secondary is super dinged up.

I think we'll get better as the season goes as long as we can stay relatively healthy.

Klandy was sending the house like it was 1999 and that was awesome.  Their qb got absolutely leveled on the TD pass where their guy made a great catch and got a foot in.
Title: Re: Fire Chris Klieman
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2023, 05:56:18 PM
Eye test shows we're a little thinner up front in the pass rush, and a little greener in the secondary. Probably a little less top-end speed overall on defense, but not sure.