Fire Chris Klieman

[michigancat]

Prob no one else, including UT and OU. Still SLTH talk. Not saying I want Klieman fired. Still think the next two years could be very special, but that is loser talk iyam.

FWIW we also won a dr pepper in that span. if SLTH's win those every now and then sign me up

[Benja]

Prob no one else, including UT and OU. Still SLTH talk. Not saying I want Klieman fired. Still think the next two years could be very special, but that is loser talk iyam.

To a degree. I appreciate you bringing this up. However, I really do think he's a good coach.

New OC.

[06wildcat]

Klieman is a good coach who can't be on the hot seat because of past performance and who the AD is, but it would be nice if he was a little more reflective of why the team he leads just lost 3 of 4.

[catastrophe]

Kleiman is a great coach, imo. We could probably get a better one but it’s more likely we’d get a worse one. Would really just like to see a new offense while we have Avery. This one looked uninspired all year.

[MakeItRain]

Klieman is a good coach who can't be on the hot seat because of past performance and who the AD is, but it would be nice if he was a little more reflective of why the team he leads just lost 3 of 4.

He did plenty of that during the press conference and I'm 100% certain he does even more when he's with his team instead of during post game press conferences.

[CNS]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

[PurpleOil]

Kleiman is a great coach, imo. We could probably get a better one but it’s more likely we’d get a worse one. Would really just like to see a new offense while we have Avery. This one looked uninspired all year.

I completely agree with everything you said. I like Kleiman, I hope he stays, but the offense desperately needs a change at OC or else we're looking at another 8-4 season next year.

[Dugout DickStone]

Kleiman having the random 8 win stat holstered is the most Kleiman thing ever.  Absolute Weber magic

[cfbandyman]

Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.

Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright

[wetwillie]

Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.

Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright

There won't be an upgrade at OC.

[Dugout DickStone]

Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.

Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright

There won't be an upgrade at OC.

Correct

[06wildcat]

Klieman is a good coach who can't be on the hot seat because of past performance and who the AD is, but it would be nice if he was a little more reflective of why the team he leads just lost 3 of 4.

He did plenty of that during the press conference and I'm 100% certain he does even more when he's with his team instead of during post game press conferences.

Glad to hear.

[MakeItRain]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.

[MakeItRain]

Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.

Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright

There won't be an upgrade at OC.

While not ideal, I don't think this is that big of a deal, if it happens like this. I thought that Riley was decent as a first year play caller. I do think he should give up the o line coach position, if he's the coordinator. I also think we'd be better off if Klieman let Riley and Wells run the offense without his meddling.

[Benja]

Klieman is a pretty decent coach and overall is still doing what I want. Proving you don't need Snyder to be successful. I want more and 8-4 this year with this schedule was disappointing. OC upgrade and another relevant in the big 12 title discussion next year and we'll forget about this year as a slight meh.

Win a bowl game, and it'll be alright

There won't be an upgrade at OC.

While not ideal, I don't think this is that big of a deal, if it happens like this. I thought that Riley was decent as a first year play caller. I do think he should give up the o line coach position, if he's the coordinator. I also think we'd be better off if Klieman let Riley and Wells run the offense without his meddling.

I actually don't think we'll make a change either, unfortunately. There is no clear path forward. How do you ask a proven guy who's a personal friend to step down and go back to coaching only the O-Line? p4 sports just don't work that way. If you aren't moving forward you are going backwards (in these coaches minds). We either get rid of Riley or we somehow convince him to be better and adopt a new philisophy, while also bringing in a stud O-line coach. It's a weird situation guys.

[CNS]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.

I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.

[Benja]

Obviously the most exciting solution would be identify stud o-line coach, identify stud OC. Both from outside of the program. In one off-season. Sweeping changes like that? That's not the k-state I know, for better or for worse.

[Benja]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.

I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.

I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.

[nicname]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.

I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.

I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.

The floor shouldn’t be the average, especially in the new XII.

[wetwillie]

What weird fantasy land do people live in that they think we have some sustained competitive advantage over the rest of the new league? We are all basically on equal footing in resources. 

[michigancat]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.

I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.

I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.

The floor shouldn’t be the average, especially in the new XII.

What is the average of 8, 8, 9, and 10?

[nicname]

Sign me up for the 8-4 standard with constant open paths to the Confy Champ.

There are a lot of people right not who will call you a loser for identifying that 8-4 is a perfectly acceptable floor for K-State.

I am ok w that. I enjoy some sports drama. I loathe the idea of winning so much the main focus becomes how much we win by and it being a crushing blow to my ego and self worth if we lose or don’t win by enough.

I don't think any sane human being is saying 8-4 isn't a great floor for k-state. I thought it was a little weird he felt the need to specifically quote that number, though. Very defensive.

The floor shouldn’t be the average, especially in the new XII.

What is the average of 8, 8, 9, and 10?

That’s what I’m saying.

[nicname]

FWIW, I wasn’t suggesting Klieman should be fired or on the hot seat by bumping this thread. Just didn’t know where else to post it, so searched klieman and this was the top several posts in the search.

[Benja]

What weird fantasy land do people live in that they think we have some sustained competitive advantage over the rest of the new league? We are all basically on equal footing in resources. 

This is interesting. I definitely don't think we have inherent or obvious advantageous over other programs. I do think when you sign a QB like Avery you are signaling that you are going to compete for at least a conference championship every year. I think my worry is that it feels like we were lucky to even be 8-4 this year. And I mostly hated how our offense looked. I'm just hoping we are trending in the right direction and not the wrong one.

Also, new OC. (sorry, gotta say it.).

[nicname]

Klieman is basically a 5-4 coach in the B12 for his tenure here. I’d like to see us be at least a 6-3 (on average) program going forward. This conference is ripe for a top-dog or two to emerge. We can either be one of those programs or regress to the conference mean.