everyone come look at my boner
Can confirm (source A+) that Daniel Sams did not go home over break, and his reasoning was "I gotta job to get"
Can confirm (source A+) that Daniel Sams did not go home over break, and his reasoning was "I gotta job to get"
Can confirm (source A+) that Daniel Sams did not go home over break, and his reasoning was "I gotta job to get"
Now he has the tucks too.
Its like the anti-Bryce but still very talented.
What comes to mind when you hear the phrase "tuck buzz"? :dunno:
What comes to mind when you hear the phrase "tuck buzz"? :dunno:
hair cut
If the tucks continue to tuck all over Sams, will that polarize the board towards Waters? Someone with HGEIQ let me know. TIA.No.
If the tucks continue to tuck all over Sams, will that polarize the board towards Waters? Someone with HGEIQ let me know. TIA.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
everyone come look at my boner
It's glorious, and well earned.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
oh i get it, because he is black
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
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You see the glory. But u don't know the story. Grind time. #Life #Bite
Tucks will love that there isn't anyone else in the gym.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
Sams is also way faster than Bishop was. Bishop was a very talented runner but he certainly didn't have sprinters speed. Unless said sprinter isn't all that fast or something.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
Sams is also way faster than Bishop was. Bishop was a very talented runner but he certainly didn't have sprinters speed. Unless said sprinter isn't all that fast or something.
If you compare Bishop to the QB's before him then he had sprinter speed. #slowasswhiteguysbefore
There really is nothing better than a guy who has swag about the fact that he's going to out work you to be better than you, not swag just because he thinks he's better than you.
Sams is the epitome of the coaches philosophy "we take pride that we work harder than everyone else" to the swag level.
There really is nothing better than a guy who has swag about the fact that he's going to out work you to be better than you, not swag just because he thinks he's better than you.
Sams is the epitome of the coaches philosophy "we take pride that we work harder than everyone else" to the swag level.
If anyone hasn't watched that 5 minute interview of Sams that was posted shortly after Waters signed they should do the work to find it and watch it. Very awesome, Sams is going to be our QB.
There really is nothing better than a guy who has swag about the fact that he's going to out work you to be better than you, not swag just because he thinks he's better than you.
Sams is the epitome of the coaches philosophy "we take pride that we work harder than everyone else" to the swag level.
If anyone hasn't watched that 5 minute interview of Sams that was posted shortly after Waters signed they should do the work to find it and watch it. Very awesome, Sams is going to be our QB.
There really is nothing better than a guy who has swag about the fact that he's going to out work you to be better than you, not swag just because he thinks he's better than you.
Sams is the epitome of the coaches philosophy "we take pride that we work harder than everyone else" to the swag level.
If anyone hasn't watched that 5 minute interview of Sams that was posted shortly after Waters signed they should do the work to find it and watch it. Very awesome, Sams is going to be our QB.
http://powercatgameday.com/player-interviews/ (http://powercatgameday.com/player-interviews/)
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
The gE board is going to implode when Sams is listed as backup on the depth chart this fall because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook or pass the Snyder Wonderlick tests. :popcorn:
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
The gE board is going to implode when Sams is listed as backup on the depth chart this fall because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook or pass the Snyder Wonderlick tests. :popcorn:
Sams isn't dumb
Oh, I get it; because they are not white. :lol: You guys try too hard; must be young brain washed PC types. :lol:I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
Sams is also way faster than Bishop was. Bishop was a very talented runner but he certainly didn't have sprinters speed. Unless said sprinter isn't all that fast or something.
If you compare Bishop to the QB's before him then he had sprinter speed. #slowasswhiteguysbefore
Is this because he's black and the tucks do not think blacks are smart. Man, I get it. :excited:I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
The gE board is going to implode when Sams is listed as backup on the depth chart this fall because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook or pass the Snyder Wonderlick tests. :popcorn:
I'm new to the board so may have missed if it's on an older thread... Has anyone looked at who Waters was throwing the ball to? The WR that went to Maryland was the top juco and highschool prospect when he came out. Over half of Waters yards went to him, 25 of his 39 TD passes went to him, many on short passes that got broke open.
That being said we don't have the WR's to get this done with someone that is accurate but needs the WRs to make big plays, our guys can make big plays but need space to do so, thinking Lockett deep, or the Tramaine catch vs. ISU a few years ago...
Sams is going to do great things! Not going to be surprised at 2000 passing 1000 rushing next year!
I'm new to the board so may have missed if it's on an older thread... Has anyone looked at who Waters was throwing the ball to? The WR that went to Maryland was the top juco and highschool prospect when he came out. Over half of Waters yards went to him, 25 of his 39 TD passes went to him, many on short passes that got broke open.
That being said we don't have the WR's to get this done with someone that is accurate but needs the WRs to make big plays, our guys can make big plays but need space to do so, thinking Lockett deep, or the Tramaine catch vs. ISU a few years ago...
Sams is going to do great things! Not going to be surprised at 2000 passing 1000 rushing next year!
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
The gE board is going to implode when Sams is listed as backup on the depth chart this fall because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook or pass the Snyder Wonderlick tests. :popcorn:
Sams isn't dumb
Iowa Western is weird guys. Out of 100+ players, there are like 6 dudes that aren't from Iowa or an adjoining state.
Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
The gE board is going to implode when Sams is listed as backup on the depth chart this fall because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook or pass the Snyder Wonderlick tests. :popcorn:
Sams isn't dumb
According to a team manager, this is up for debate (classroom-wise... :embarrassed:)
And I mean, really bad.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
The gE board is going to implode when Sams is listed as backup on the depth chart this fall because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook or pass the Snyder Wonderlick tests. :popcorn:
Sams isn't dumb
According to a team manager, this is up for debate (classroom-wise... :embarrassed:)
And I mean, really bad.
I'd heard that too, but classroom success is not always all that great an indicator of intelligence. From interviews he seems fairly intelligent to me.
Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
Because he's white, right?
Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
Because he's white, right?
No, because he was a nobody high school player and he developed into a very good juco qb.
Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
Because he's white, right?
No, because he was a nobody high school player and he developed into a very good juco qb.
was michael bishop a self made, hard work type of guy?
Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
Because he's white, right?
No, because he was a nobody high school player and he developed into a very good juco qb.
was michael bishop a self made, hard work type of guy?
black people go to juco because of grades or wasted potential, white people go because they're high-school-nobody-self-made-hard-workers.
Most go because they're poor, academics, or not talented enough to go to Division I school.Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
Because he's white, right?
No, because he was a nobody high school player and he developed into a very good juco qb.
was michael bishop a self made, hard work type of guy?
black people go to juco because of grades or wasted potential, white people go because they're high-school-nobody-self-made-hard-workers.
goEMAW.com, looking out for the anti-blacks since the very beginningTHE WORD
and they will call you out.
So, the returning Big 12 champs who did NOT win on defense, UPGRADE at quarterback, and he has us 6th?Yea, strange logic. But I like that he recognizes #Life as talented and the starter over Waters.
I don't think I've ever seen Texas outside of the top 3 in a preseason Big 12 poll.
I don't think I've ever seen Texas outside of the top 3 in a preseason Big 12 poll.
That article was ranking just the offenses, right?
I don't think I've ever seen Texas outside of the top 3 in a preseason Big 12 poll.
That article was ranking just the offenses, right?
I seem to be missing critical words in people's posts lately.
Waters appears to be a self made, hard work type of guy
Because he's white, right?
No, because he was a nobody high school player and he developed into a very good juco qb.
was michael bishop a self made, hard work type of guy?
black people go to juco because of grades or wasted potential, white people go because they're high-school-nobody-self-made-hard-workers.
There are too many dogshit defenses in the Big 12 who couldn't stop Klein when he told them he was running. Sams is faster. He is our starter
Ok, what happens if Waters is named the starter.....does Sams waste another year or two being a backup QB instead of getting on the field, as say a WR, and dominating? We really could not be able to have him move to another position since we have NO ONE ELSE at the QB position...you would have Waters and then, what, the water cooler boy 2nd string? :dunno:Don't worry, Waters will be on the bench.
Let that all settle in .......
Ok, what happens if Waters is named the starter.....does Sams waste another year or two being a backup QB instead of getting on the field, as say a WR, and dominating? We really could not be able to have him move to another position since we have NO ONE ELSE at the QB position...you would have Waters and then, what, the water cooler boy 2nd string? :dunno:
Let that all settle in .......
Then it will be high-stepper cat's chance to shine!!! :horrorsurprise:Ok, what happens if Waters is named the starter.....does Sams waste another year or two being a backup QB instead of getting on the field, as say a WR, and dominating? We really could not be able to have him move to another position since we have NO ONE ELSE at the QB position...you would have Waters and then, what, the water cooler boy 2nd string? :dunno:
Let that all settle in .......
yeah, did they move Ell to WR when Mark Dunn was named starter?
Sams will be the starter...until the second game when he breaks his leg.
Sams will be the starter...until the second game when he breaks his leg.
I'm on my way to your house to smash your face with my foot for a minute
SD, make it two minutes; one for me. :crossfingers:Sams will be the starter...until the second game when he breaks his leg.
I'm on my way to your house to smash your face with my foot for a minute
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
For me, it's just that we have never had a QB under Snyder stay healthy.
Very true, but maybe Synder will give him more designed plays like CK got last season. He still got smacked pretty hard. Hopefully Sams will avoid hard hits( :lol:)... of couse this is not likely. T's & P's #Life.I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
For me, it's just that we have never had a QB under Snyder stay healthy.
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
For me, it's just that we have never had a QB under Snyder stay healthy.
I can get that, but I don't think that is it for most people.
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I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
For me, it's just that we have never had a QB under Snyder stay healthy.
I can get that, but I don't think that is it for most people.
Every time Sams played more than 8 plays this year, he seemed to be limping around.
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
For me, it's just that we have never had a QB under Snyder stay healthy.
I can get that, but I don't think that is it for most people.
Every time Sams played more than 8 plays this year, he seemed to be limping around.
He probably turned his ankle. That's not an injury like a concussion that makes you prone to future injuries.
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Sams is guaranteed to get injured.
For me, it's just that we have never had a QB under Snyder stay healthy.
I can get that, but I don't think that is it for most people.
Every time Sams played more than 8 plays this year, he seemed to be limping around.
He probably turned his ankle. That's not an injury like a concussion that makes you prone to future injuries.
Maybe not more prone because of previous injuries, but possibly fragile. Hope not. :ohno:
I couldn't care less who starts as long as the offense is dominant and more consistent than this last season.
Based on observations at basketball games, family gatherings (filled with tard tucks) Sams is the choice for the white Kansans. The liken him to Bishop (Black) and are afraid Waters will turn us into a fast paced throw it all over the field team.
Probably being a super good friend to some non-athletic charity case and is the only athlete on the team.
Only allowed to have 3 athletes on a team I believeProbably being a super good friend to some non-athletic charity case and is the only athlete on the team.
per A+ source, sams had numerous football players on his team. two tall kids on the winning team brothers that went to my HS. good guys, not exactly studs I would have put $1 on beating our fball guys in a bball game, though. :flush:
Team Waters has 8.Only allowed to have 3 athletes on a team I believeProbably being a super good friend to some non-athletic charity case and is the only athlete on the team.
per A+ source, sams had numerous football players on his team. two tall kids on the winning team brothers that went to my HS. good guys, not exactly studs I would have put $1 on beating our fball guys in a bball game, though. :flush:
5 were probs grayshirts and won't count toward the limit until next session.
Also, it always surprised me that Bill would let the FB'ers play intramural BB. I mean, Intramurals is where crap got real. If I was Bill, I wouldn't want to lose anyone to some super jacked guy from the dorms Know what I mean?
5 were probs grayshirts and won't count toward the limit until next session.
Also, it always surprised me that Bill would let the FB'ers play intramural BB. I mean, Intramurals is where crap got real. If I was Bill, I wouldn't want to lose anyone to some super jacked guy from the dorms. Know what I mean?
5 were probs grayshirts and won't count toward the limit until next session.
Also, it always surprised me that Bill would let the FB'ers play intramural BB. I mean, Intramurals is where crap got real. If I was Bill, I wouldn't want to lose anyone to some super jacked guy from the dorms. Know what I mean?
bishop played on my bball intramural team the summer going into his senior year. he liked to drive through the lane. defense would part like the red sea when he did, no one wanted to be the one who broke his ankle.
we won all U!
5 were probs grayshirts and won't count toward the limit until next session.
Also, it always surprised me that Bill would let the FB'ers play intramural BB. I mean, Intramurals is where crap got real. If I was Bill, I wouldn't want to lose anyone to some super jacked guy from the dorms. Know what I mean?
bishop played on my bball intramural team the summer going into his senior year. he liked to drive through the lane. defense would part like the red sea when he did, no one wanted to be the one who broke his ankle.
K-State Sports Extra
PART 1: SAMS AND WATERS; WATERS AND SAMS
Also: K-State Volleyball to Represent Team USA in Russia
Also: Baseball Rallies for 7-6 Win over Shockers
April 10, 2013
By Mark Janssen
Life after Collin Klein has started.
Kansas State is a week into its spring drills and the competition is on as to who will be the starting quarterback … the man behind center who follows Mr. Klein, a 2012 Heisman Trophy finalist.
“We hope it will be a competitive situation, but that remains to be seen,” said coach LHC Bill Snyder. “We’d like it to be competitive in such a way that it would help each get better, but that’s no different than any other position on the team.”
The leading two quarterback candidates are returnee Daniel Sams, and newcomer Jake Waters. Today “Sports Extra” features Sams. Tomorrow our focus will be on Waters.
SAMS … NOT SHORT ON CONFIDENCE:
Overall, Daniel Sams says, “I’m prepared; I’m ready.”
Describing his arm on a scale of 10, he says, “I’d say an eight … to be humble.”
Sams, a 6-foot-2, 204-pound sophomore out of Slidell, La., served as Klein’s backup last year and made the most of his opportunities netting 235 rushing yards, primarily, in mop-up duty.
He did see a quarter-plus of action when the game was on the line against Oklahoma State when Klein went down with an injury. Sams completed 5-of-6 passes for 45 yards and rushed seven times for 20 yards against the Cowboys.
“That was a tough game because you were concerned about him (Klein), but excited about getting in the game and trying to make plays,” said Sams. “It felt different after they scored and it was a close game and we weren’t just milking the clock. We needed points on the board and I was ready to take that on.”
While working behind Klein on the field, Sams also said, “He was a good example of how you have to work in the classroom. That’s where it all starts. The leadership thing is not about just what you do on the field.”
And, Klein was a good example in the importance of overall work-ethic.
“I came in not having a great work-ethic. In high school I never watched film. I worked out a little and ran a little, but I was not a weight room leader,” he said. “I basically did what I wanted.”
Now he says, “I’m excited about getting in there and getting the team to rally around me.”
And, Klein was a good example in attitude.
“I came in pretty high on myself,” Sams said of his freshman year. Laughing, he added, “I came in thinking I would eventually knock him (Klein) out, but it was nothing like that. At times it was a humbling experience, but in the end I couldn’t have been in a better position than playing behind him.”
Once on the field, Sams said of his own game, “I’m best outside the pocket on the move. I can run it, or I can throw it down field. Nobody has seen me make plays with my arm yet because all I did was come in and milk the clock, but I can do things with my arm.”
Overall, co-offensive coordinator Dana Dimel said of Sams, “He has some talent, but he needs to find some consistency. That light has to go on.”
Life after Collin Klein has started.it's obvious that they're putting out a not-so-secret message as to who will start.
When you lead off the article with this:QuoteLife after Collin Klein has started.it's obvious that they're putting out a not-so-secret message as to who will start.
he got his leg rolled up early in the year and it bothered him the rest of the season. don't remember the game.
PART 2: SAMS AND WATERS; WATERS AND SAMS
Also: Contract Extension Announced for Weber
April 11, 2013
By Mark Janssen
Life after Collin Klein has started.
Kansas State is a week into its spring drills and the competition is on as to who will be the starting quarterback … the man behind center who follows Mr. Klein, a 2012 Heisman Trophy finalist.
“We hope it will be a competitive situation, but that remains to be seen,” said KSU coach LHC Bill Snyder. “We’d like it to be competitive in such a way that it would help each other get better, but that’s no different than any other position on the team.”
The leading two quarterback candidates are returnee Daniel Sams, and newcomer Jake Waters. Today “Sports Extra” features Waters. Yesterday our focus was on Sams.
WATERS … A TRUE WINNER:
Jake Waters is a 6-foot-2, 218-pound transfer from Iowa Western Community College, where he led his club to a national championship in just the school’s fifth year of playing football.
In picking the Wildcats over Penn State, Waters said, “God showed me a sign that K-State was the best place for me.”
No one is happier about that than quarterback coach Del Miller, who said of Waters, “He’s a proven winner. He won two state championships at the high school level (37-2 three-year record) at Council Bluffs (Iowa), and then again at the community college level.
“He brings leadership. When you watched his team, you watched players come to him,” said Miller. “He’s just a natural leader and a guy who makes great decisions.”
As a prepster, Waters passed for 5,288 yards and 70 touchdowns, while running for 1,820 yards and another 28 scores.
At Iowa Western he completed 73 percent of his passes for 3,501 yards out of a spread offense that had similarities to what K-State runs. He totaled 39 touchdowns and just three interceptions, plus his team averaged better than 60 points per game prior to defeating Butler Community College, 27-7, for the national title.
In Miller’s words, “That’s pretty salty. He has a very good arm and a quick release.”
Fearing injury, Waters, who was the National Junior College Player of the Year, seldom ran and never played a whole game because blowout scores. Against Dupage, Ill., Waters passed for 307 yards and five touchdowns … in the first half … of a 65-21 victory over the No. 17 team in the nation.
Now a Wildcat, Waters said, “I just want to come in and earn some respect and compete for the starting job. Nothing is going to be given to me. I just want to compete. I’m looking forward to that.”
Speaking of Waters, co-offensive coordinator Dana Dimel said of Waters, “Like Collin, he’s intelligent and can really orchestrate an offense. He’s a good player who can become a really good player. You don’t want to compare anyone to Collin, and his skill set is not exactly like Collin’s, but he does many of the same things.”
Dimel added, “He has a lot of good returning players around him, so there should be the chance to get off to a good start. We’ll see, but we think he has the chance to be good.”
Damnit why can't it be the 27th already? I can't wait to see these two in action!! :ksu:
Very nice indirect trashing of CK's arm/throws there by Sexton.
Sams, as expected, has shown deeper knowledge of the offense, stronger command of the huddle and has continually extended plays with his mobility.
QuoteSams, as expected, has shown deeper knowledge of the offense, stronger command of the huddle and has continually extended plays with his mobility.
That right there is all you need to know.
The choice is made.
That isn't all you need to know.QuoteSams, as expected, has shown deeper knowledge of the offense, stronger command of the huddle and has continually extended plays with his mobility.
That right there is all you need to know.
The choice is made.
we also don't have a reliable huge target that is going to beast his defender on a 5 yard out route and plow up field for 18 additional yards whenever we need itTORELL-y?
we also don't have a reliable huge target that is going to beast his defender on a 5 yard out route and plow up field for 18 additional yards whenever we need it
I think we are going to see a lot of deep balls thrown to our burners this year and I'm pretty damned excited about that. Also, we are going to see a lot of drop backs, and then Sams will tuck and run for 30+ yards after it looks like the play has broken down.
we also don't have a reliable huge target that is going to beast his defender on a 5 yard out route and plow up field for 18 additional yards whenever we need itTORELL-y?
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I just felt so secure with Chris. He was my rock.
I just felt so secure with Chris. He was my rock.
it's unbelievable how good he was. playing with a QB who (let's be honest) sucked tons of ass at throwing the ball around.
I just felt so secure with Chris. He was my rock.
it's unbelievable how good he was. playing with a QB who (let's be honest) sucked tons of ass at throwing the ball around.
Is it weird that I want Sams to win the job just so he won't be sad?
Burton looks good
Burton looks good
I'd like to hear more about this. I really want an offense lead by Burton, Sams, and Baby Lockett. That's a helluva of a lot of speed and gorgeousness.
Burton looks good
I'd like to hear more about this. I really want an offense lead by Burton, Sams, and Baby Lockett. That's a helluva of a lot of speed and gorgeousness.
Burton looks good
I'd like to hear more about this. I really want an offense lead by Burton, Sams, and Baby Lockett. That's a helluva of a lot of speed and gorgeousness.
Townies. Baby Lockett and Sams all day.
Burton looks good
I'd like to hear more about this. I really want an offense lead by Burton, Sams, and Baby Lockett. That's a helluva of a lot of speed and gorgeousness.
Townies. Baby Lockett and Sams all day.
do you pray every night that waters starts? i bet you do
“My mentality is if we’ve got a mismatch as far as a linebacker on Lockett we are going deep,” Sams said. “That’s just something I always do. Sometimes it works. Sometimes I get myself in a third-and-eight, a difficult down. But most of the time it works.”
Guys, what if we were really MCMW and this thread title actually said:
2013 QB Compensation: Sams vs. Waters
Wouldn't that be great?
Do you guys think Waters and Sams' relationship will be critical to our success this season? Like think of Voo Doo and Saracen's relationship. It wasn't great. And it really brought the whole team down. Is there anything we, goEMAW, can do to make them better friends, is what I'm asking.
Do you guys think Waters and Sams' relationship will be critical to our success this season? Like think of Voo Doo and Saracen's relationship. It wasn't great. And it really brought the whole team down. Is there anything we, goEMAW, can do to make them better friends, is what I'm asking.
Sams is the opposite of season 1 Saracen. Saracen had no confidence. Sams is smart enough to know he can't risk losing/splitting the team. goEMAW can try and find Sams' Landry and keep him out of Sams ear. :dunno:
Do you guys think Waters and Sams' relationship will be critical to our success this season? Like think of Voo Doo and Saracen's relationship. It wasn't great. And it really brought the whole team down. Is there anything we, goEMAW, can do to make them better friends, is what I'm asking.
Sams is the opposite of season 1 Saracen. Saracen had no confidence. Sams is smart enough to know he can't risk losing/splitting the team. goEMAW can try and find Sams' Landry and keep him out of Sams ear. :dunno:
You want Sams to hang out with a murderer, Hamburgler? Yeah, didn't think so.
Guys, I really want Sams to start. Something tells me that the offense will be so much more explosive with him at Quarterback. I like explosiveness.A lot of :opcat: in that post, Luke. It's ok, I like fast black qb's too.
On the other hand it could be more consistent with Waters at quarterback.
I was just basing my opinion on the fact of Sams' speed vs. Waters'. I mean after watching Sams last year and looking at Waters' highlight film, is there any doubt who would be the most explosive player?Guys, I really want Sams to start. Something tells me that the offense will be so much more explosive with him at Quarterback. I like explosiveness.A lot of :opcat: in that post, Luke. It's ok, I like fast black qb's too.
On the other hand it could be more consistent with Waters at quarterback.
good point luke. on the other hand, waters would be more white and thus have a better understanding of the playbook.all of the articles I've read would suggest that Sams has a really good understanding of the playbook. :dunno:
Quote“My mentality is if we’ve got a mismatch as far as a linebacker on Lockett we are going deep,” Sams said. “That’s just something I always do. Sometimes it works. Sometimes I get myself in a third-and-eight, a difficult down. But most of the time it works.”
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good point luke. on the other hand, waters would be more white and thus have a better understanding of the playbook.all of the articles I've read would suggest that Sams has a really good understanding of the playbook. :dunno:
A+ source: coaches are putting Sams and Waters on the field at the same time for some plays.
A+ source: coaches are putting Sams and Waters on the field at the same time for some plays.
What do sources say about the frequency of said packages.
I heard about Sams and Klein last year too, but don't recall seeing it. I'm sure it was a designed package though.
can confirm 2 QB package
What do sources say about the frequency of said packages.
I heard about Sams and Klein last year too, but don't recall seeing it. I'm sure it was a designed package though.
My source didn't say. I would guess not a whole lot though.
What do sources say about the frequency of said packages.
I heard about Sams and Klein last year too, but don't recall seeing it. I'm sure it was a designed package though.
My source didn't say. I would guess not a whole lot though.
If they're toying with it in the spring we'll see it next season. It also makes you think they're pretty high on Waters.
tecmo bowl.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/66592/who-should-be-kansas-states-new-qb
You just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
QuoteYou just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
If Sams or Waters doesn't know the playbook just have Finney call the audibles. Boom, innovated.
What Phog fucktard came up with that brilliant analysis?QuoteYou just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
Don't get too excited; they're just trying out new KU fantasies before the heart breaking truth hits after the first game of the season. :lol:What Phog fucktard came up with that brilliant analysis?QuoteYou just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
Don't get too excited; they're just trying out new KU fantasies before the heart breaking truth hits after the first game of the season. :lol:What Phog fucktard came up with that brilliant analysis?QuoteYou just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
Sad thing about this, if we put SJ in we still could have beat them by 50 points. :fatty:Don't get too excited; they're just trying out new KU fantasies before the heart breaking truth hits after the first game of the season. :lol:What Phog fucktard came up with that brilliant analysis?QuoteYou just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
Guys, Sam J was a white kid from Kansas so he obviously knew the playbook inside and out. Losing him is gonna sting. Probably worth like the 50 pts or whatever we beat KU by last season.
QuoteYou just lost two on the field coaches, who knew the KSU offensive playbook better than anyone, in Klein and Sam Johnson. You've now got a Juco quarterback and a kid who for two years has struggled to effectively learn the playbook at the helm.
I'm not predicting a KU victory or that Old Balls won't be able to manufacture an "offence", but the game in Lawrence will be competitive all four quarters this year.
Email from former player-
inside source (Some scrub whose name was removed to protect identity), says Waters is the starter as of now. Waters comprehension of the playbook and his reads are light years ahead of Klein's. Also noted that Sams is a duel threat with a better arm, but not as diligent with his studies of the game, playbook, etc. (not surprised). Hopefully the competition for #1 will bring the best out of them both QB's.
Synder also has to know if he doesn't give Sam's PT, he's subject to leave.
who could have guessed that the non-sams qb would be the summer starter and that bill would praise their hard work and knowledge of the playbook?
who could have guessed that the non-sams qb would be the summer starter and that bill would praise their hard work and knowledge of the playbook?
Had a dream (seriously) the other night. Sams was a complete STUD. Zippy arm, great reads/progressions. Always a threat to run. Was a real treat to watch (in my dream).
Had a dream (seriously) the other night. Sams was a complete STUD. Zippy arm, great reads/progressions. Always a threat to run. Was a real treat to watch (in my dream).
i had a dream that daniel ran for a 75 yard touchdown on the first play of the season. i told my dad about it and he asked if he did it from his position as a flanker. i didn't talk ksu football with him for the rest of the day.
How does Waters run/scramble. Didn't watch spring game. Trying to figure out how Snyder would do with a heavy passing QB and a shitty defense. Clock control was so key last year in making our defense look pretty good.
How does Waters run/scramble. Didn't watch spring game. Trying to figure out how Snyder would do with a heavy passing QB and a shitty defense. Clock control was so key last year in making our defense look pretty good.
he ran our offense at JUCO
How does Waters run/scramble. Didn't watch spring game. Trying to figure out how Snyder would do with a heavy passing QB and a shitty defense. Clock control was so key last year in making our defense look pretty good.
he ran our offense at JUCO
Thanks Clams.
Still #LIFE tho
If :bill: cant make up his mind before the first game, don't be surprised to see him take a few snaps
How does Waters run/scramble. Didn't watch spring game. Trying to figure out how Snyder would do with a heavy passing QB and a shitty defense. Clock control was so key last year in making our defense look pretty good.
If all the talk is correct about how bad ass both QB's are(pro tip: it isn't because we always hear this superman bullshit before the season from retards around the program) then the last thing I care about is our defense. Score every time we touch it and make sure we make our kicks. Then throw in a couple "for 2's" Chip Kelly style and we win the confy and maybe the league.
Dunn/Roberson :users:Curse you, sir! :shakesfist: ^ do NOT want
waters is reesing guys
waters is reesing guys
I look at it as the loser dies and the winner gets to bang Kate Upton for 15 weeks...but there are then of them...and they're dudesThat's stupid
waters is reesing guys
waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
80% chance you are correct.waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
and minus the herpes
waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
and minus the herpes
Reesing was amazing. Some of you guys are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for hating.
waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
The only way I want Waters to start is if he is effin John Elway
Would rough ridin' takeThe only way I want Waters to start is if he is effin John Elway
Florida Tebow reincarnation
I couldn't care less if the backup between Waters and Sams is happy and doesn't want to transfer.
What I couldn't care more about is that if the starter is a stud and we don't have to worry about the QB position for the next few years.
Option D.
Waters starts, complete stud NFL after one year.
Sams Takes over, complete stud NFL after his one year.
I think Reesing was playing injured by that point in the season. Sparkles was the best quarterback in the Big 12 that wasn't tall enough to ride the rides at Six Flags.Reesing was amazing. Some of you guys are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for hating.
He looked pretty crappy in Snyder's first year back when we won 17-10.
Yeah. That's very fair. You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.
I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that I don't think that Snyder is going to just throw Sams snaps at QB to keep him happy.
Kim Carnes postYeah. That's very fair. You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.
I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that I don't think that Snyder is going to just throw Sams snaps at QB to keep him happy.
klein sucked.
Kim Carnes postYeah. That's very fair. You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.
I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that I don't think that Snyder is going to just throw Sams snaps at QB to keep him happy.
klein sucked.
Yeah. That's very fair. You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.
I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that I don't think that Snyder is going to just throw Sams snaps at QB to keep him happy.
klein sucked.
Snyder wants sams hard. But he ain't giving it up until he's sure he's the one. Jake is the SLTH of qb's and a nice insurance policy
Oh man, Klein must have touched Carnes on short and goal. It happens to the best of them, bud.Yeah. That's very fair. You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.
I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that I don't think that Snyder is going to just throw Sams snaps at QB to keep him happy.
klein sucked.
You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.klein was never the same after the OSU game.
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
Agreed. The only good human in the pic, IMO.
Agreed, sghetti' brains Klein was a shell of his pre-OSU selfYou're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.klein was never the same after the OSU game.
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
Agreed. The only good human in the pic, IMO.
Manziel looks like a young Perot.
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
Agreed. The only good human in the pic, IMO.
Manziel looks like a young Perot.
Brick Heck
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
You're absolutely right. Klein was literally indestructible.klein was never the same after the OSU game.
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
It'd be easier to concentrate on CK were it not for rat face and the dude with the seaweed
Alright:
Now that everyone has kind of picked their favorite to start at QB; now project their stats.
Waters: 64% completion, 2900 yds., 24 TD to 7 INTs. 300 yds rushing with 6 TDs
Alright:
Now that everyone has kind of picked their favorite to start at QB; now project their stats.
Waters: 64% completion, 2900 yds., 24 TD to 7 INTs. 300 yds rushing with 6 TDs
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
very low SDS.comIQ on display here today folks
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CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
Didn't know Manti and Johnny Football were dating??? :D(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.pictures.zimbio.com%2Fgi%2FCollin%2BKlein%2B2012%2BHeisman%2BTrophy%2BPresentation%2Bkds21xQq8y8l.jpg&hash=a194dcbdd3dd9495ace2a87ef75fe3ab4e8804b1)anybody else notice Manti's gf snuck into the pic?
CK looks pretty rough ridin' amazing in this pic.
Alright:
Now that everyone has kind of picked their favorite to start at QB; now project their stats.
Waters: 64% completion, 2900 yds., 24 TD to 7 INTs. 300 yds rushing with 6 TDs
Yea, but does Spring Game stats count? :fatty:Alright:
Now that everyone has kind of picked their favorite to start at QB; now project their stats.
Waters: 64% completion, 2900 yds., 24 TD to 7 INTs. 300 yds rushing with 6 TDs
Sams: 1700 yards passing, 1500 yards rushing, 33 total TDs, 14 INTs.
very low SDS.comIQ on display here today folks
i'm eagerly awaiting your prediction, clams.
Alright:
Now that everyone has kind of picked their favorite to start at QB; now project their stats.
Waters: 64% completion, 2900 yds., 24 TD to 7 INTs. 300 yds rushing with 6 TDs
spiral delivery system.com: 67% completion, 3100 yds, 28 TD to 11 INTs, 400 yds rushing with 10 TDs
Alright:
Now that everyone has kind of picked their favorite to start at QB; now project their stats.
Waters: 64% completion, 2900 yds., 24 TD to 7 INTs. 300 yds rushing with 6 TDs
spiral delivery system.com: 67% completion, 3100 yds, 28 TD to 11 INTs, 400 yds rushing with 10 TDs
so you guys both think his numbers will be the best for a ksu quarterback since michael bishop's senior season and arguably the best of any ksu quarterback ever, huh? i gotta say that i really like the spunk you guys are displaying in this thread. go cats and ftb you guys.
waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
Really, Waters didn't seem any bigger at all then Reesing at the spring game. Maybe an inch taller. Dude is a lot shorter than listed.
waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
Really, Waters didn't seem any bigger at all then Reesing at the spring game. Maybe an inch taller. Dude is a lot shorter than listed.
You need to see your doctor real soon if you think Reesing is similar in length and girth to Waters.
waters is reesing guys
Yeah, give or take three inches and twenty pounds
Really, Waters didn't seem any bigger at all then Reesing at the spring game. Maybe an inch taller. Dude is a lot shorter than listed.
You need to see your doctor real soon if you think Reesing is similar in length and girth to Waters.
If you had eyes and were at the spring game then you saw that Waters is the guy. More accurate, better at progressions, better at picking his spot to run for the first. Sams would be out with a head injury by the second conference game.
He would've needed lots and lots of improvement and Waters would've had to digress or just completely ignore coaching for Sams to win the jobIf you had eyes and were at the spring game then you saw that Waters is the guy. More accurate, better at progressions, better at picking his spot to run for the first. Sams would be out with a head injury by the second conference game.
I forgot player improvement stopped after the spring game. Thanks for pointing it out. :thumbsup:
If you had eyes and were at the spring game then you saw that Waters is the guy. More accurate, better at progressions, better at picking his spot to run for the first. Sams would be out with a head injury by the second conference game.
He would've needed lots and lots of improvement and Waters would've had to digress or just completely ignore coaching for Sams to win the jobIf you had eyes and were at the spring game then you saw that Waters is the guy. More accurate, better at progressions, better at picking his spot to run for the first. Sams would be out with a head injury by the second conference game.
I forgot player improvement stopped after the spring game. Thanks for pointing it out. :thumbsup:
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
:blah:
How many times has Snyder's staff put anything out there? I don't think anyone but that man really knows who he wants to start.
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
:blah:
How many times has Snyder's staff put anything out there? I don't think anyone but that man really knows who he wants to start.
I dont think Snyder even know. The only thing he is definitive on is weather he wants a Werthers or not.
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
:blah:
How many times has Snyder's staff put anything out there? I don't think anyone but that man really knows who he wants to start.
I dont think Snyder even know. The only thing he is definitive on is weather he wants a Werthers or not.
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
:blah:
How many times has Snyder's staff put anything out there? I don't think anyone but that man really knows who he wants to start.
I dont think Snyder even know. The only thing he is definitive on is weather he wants a Werthers or not.
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
:blah:
How many times has Snyder's staff put anything out there? I don't think anyone but that man really knows who he wants to start.
I dont think Snyder even know. The only thing he is definitive on is weather he wants a Werthers or not.
Chocolate chip cookies! :shakesfist:
Guys, I'm #teamsams, but in talking to a lot of higher ups, I'm getting the feeling Waters is going to get the nod.
ya i broke that little nugget there a few months ago
Interesting note from K-State OC Dana Dimel: He says both Jake Waters and Daniel Sams will play this season regardless of who starts Game 1.
LPQuoteInteresting note from K-State OC Dana Dimel: He says both Jake Waters and Daniel Sams will play this season regardless of who starts Game 1.
LPQuoteInteresting note from K-State OC Dana Dimel: He says both Jake Waters and Daniel Sams will play this season regardless of who starts Game 1.
@KellisRobinett: Interesting note from K-State OC Dana Dimel: He says both Jake Waters and Daniel Sams will play this season regardless of who starts Game 1.
Waters as main QB, Sams in rushing/goal line situsI've known Dana as a man of his word for 20 yrs, if you know otherwise I suggest you submit any evidence that supports your claim. otherwise be prepared to be rained down upon because crossing a man like Dana who has friends everywhere is a stupid move made by a stupid person.
makes the most sense to fit that statement
it's also possible/likely that Dimel is just rough ridin' around
I hope Bill starts Pease in the Wildcat for 1st offensive play, scheming every one! :billdance:
"Waters will be the starting QB unless something drastically changes."-a player on the KSU Cat football team
Daniel is going to have a role. Whether he is starting or not, he is going to play. He is not going to sit and watch, and I am talking about playing at quarterback. - Dana Dimel
QuoteDaniel is going to have a role. Whether he is starting or not, he is going to play. He is not going to sit and watch, and I am talking about playing at quarterback. - Dana Dimel
Does anyone else feel like all of this heresay is just that? How much misdirection is really going on here? :dunno:
QuoteDaniel is going to have a role. Whether he is starting or not, he is going to play. He is not going to sit and watch, and I am talking about playing at quarterback. - Dana Dimel
Does anyone else feel like all of this heresay is just that? How much misdirection is really going on here? :dunno:
:bill:
Unfortunately we may now be down to one option, at least for the short term....possibly longer.
Why do you guys think I changed my avatar?
Heard that Waters has been taking the majority of the snaps in practice so far.
Apparently FRITZgerald cursed Sams by predicting he would start on the radio today.
i could have told you guys this 11 days ago
i could have told you guys this 11 days ago
Huh, yet here you are with the same avatar. :dubious:
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.Mr. Touchdown
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.
Isnt any different than any other year under snyder...........right? Usually it is due to piss poor recruiting though..........
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.
Isnt any different than any other year under snyder...........right? Usually it is due to piss poor recruiting though..........
I'm playing it totally cool.
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.
Isnt any different than any other year under snyder...........right? Usually it is due to piss poor recruiting though..........
the guy who is running second right now might be the worst "backup qb" pretty much ever under snyder. i really don't even know though. helm in '03? :dunno:
We know nothing. I bet it's minor. He'll probably take it easy till needed. It's like you guys have never seen Snyder run his quarterbacks into the ground before.yes. because bsac usually comes here to post about minor things. good call.
i could have told you guys this 11 days ago
Huh, yet here you are with the same avatar. :dubious:
Bryce 'stud baby' Brown?
We know nothing. I bet it's minor. He'll probably take it easy till needed. It's like you guys have never seen Snyder run his quarterbacks into the ground before.yes. because bsac usually comes here to post about minor things. good call.
We know nothing. I bet it's minor. He'll probably take it easy till needed. It's like you guys have never seen Snyder run his quarterbacks into the ground before.yes. because bsac usually comes here to post about minor things. good call.
i seriously think fanning might be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) (or at the very least his IQ is within 10 points of retardation)
This board sometimes. What a bunch of pussies. :facepalm:Yup!
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.
Isnt any different than any other year under snyder...........right? Usually it is due to piss poor recruiting though..........
the guy who is running second right now might be the worst "backup qb" pretty much ever under snyder. i really don't even know though. helm in '03? :dunno:
When will we OFFICIALLY know when we can meltdown?
I just wish I knew more about the duration so that I can proceed with the meltdown at an appropriate rate. I mean, do I need to get this out of my system in the next month, fast oscar burn melt style, or should I pace myself like when huggs left me?
having only one healthy and capable qb is horrible rough ridin' news.
Isnt any different than any other year under snyder...........right? Usually it is due to piss poor recruiting though..........
the guy who is running second right now might be the worst "backup qb" pretty much ever under snyder. i really don't even know though. helm in '03? :dunno:
no way, schwinn
essentially, with no evidence whatsoever, claims that JuCo transfer Waters (white) has a much better grasp on the playbook than 3rd year Sams (black)
Did we already let go of that topeka kid that "knew the playbook better than any other shitty back up kid that shouldn't be on our team but yet is on our team and the tucks love him and think he should play like all the time and call every play himself and then eventually win the Heisman and take over for bill so that KSU can prosper for years to come"?
Did we already let go of that topeka kid that "knew the playbook better than any other shitty back up kid that shouldn't be on our team but yet is on our team and the tucks love him and think he should play like all the time and call every play himself and then eventually win the Heisman and take over for bill so that KSU can prosper for years to come"?
Waters plays the non-con, Mack prepares 100% for Waters, and then BOOM #life in your face Mack Cats win again! :lol:
can someone with GP access go over and see what they are saying about this? out the whole season? one month? do they know? BSAC wouldn't report an ankle sprain or bruised ribs or something stupid. so i know it's serious, just not how serious.
That win was the most mumped up win ever, even more than the win vs UT where we were severely out gained. I mean, who throws the ball 4 times and wins?Waters plays the non-con, Mack prepares 100% for Waters, and then BOOM #life in your face Mack Cats win again! :lol:
Sounds like 2010 with Klein and Coffman.
can someone with GP access go over and see what they are saying about this? out the whole season? one month? do they know? BSAC wouldn't report an ankle sprain or bruised ribs or something stupid. so i know it's serious, just not how serious.
can someone with GP access go over and see what they are saying about this? out the whole season? one month? do they know? BSAC wouldn't report an ankle sprain or bruised ribs or something stupid. so i know it's serious, just not how serious.
That win was the most mumped up win ever, even more than the win vs UT where we were severely out gained. I mean, who throws the ball 4 times and wins?Waters plays the non-con, Mack prepares 100% for Waters, and then BOOM #life in your face Mack Cats win again! :lol:
Sounds like 2010 with Klein and Coffman.
Last night, around midnight, #LIFE tweeted " :) :) :) :) :) :)"
Not sure what that meant, but doesn't sound like the tweet of a man who just suffered a semi-serious injury.
:dunno:
Last night, around midnight, #LIFE tweeted " :) :) :) :) :) :)"
Not sure what that meant, but doesn't sound like the tweet of a man who just suffered a semi-serious injury.
:dunno:
:thumbs:
Last night, around midnight, #LIFE tweeted " :) :) :) :) :) :)"
Not sure what that meant, but doesn't sound like the tweet of a man who just suffered a semi-serious injury.
:dunno:
:thumbs:
it could be the tweet of someone trying to stay positive in the face of adversity
Last night, around midnight, #LIFE tweeted " :) :) :) :) :) :)"
Not sure what that meant, but doesn't sound like the tweet of a man who just suffered a semi-serious injury.
:dunno:
:thumbs:
it could be the tweet of someone trying to stay positive in the face of adversity
It was in response to this
Bam9? october 23 ?@Bam_N_DeyMouth 9h
I think god know if I get my hands on ha ima b all n ha ribs that's y he stopping dis
Daniel #Life Sams ?@DS4ms 9h
@Bam_N_DeyMouth :) :) :) :) :) :)
why is everyone assuming bsac was talking about sams? did I miss something?
why is everyone assuming bsac was talking about sams? did I miss something?
rams, did his voice sound like a booming morgan freeman?
Unfortunately we may now be down to one option, at least for the short term....possibly longer.
why is everyone assuming bsac was talking about sams? did I miss something?
I was
Last night, around midnight, #LIFE tweeted " :) :) :) :) :) :)"
Not sure what that meant, but doesn't sound like the tweet of a man who just suffered a semi-serious injury.
:dunno:
:thumbs:
it could be the tweet of someone trying to stay positive in the face of adversity
It was in response to this
Bam9? october 23 ?@Bam_N_DeyMouth 9h
I think god know if I get my hands on ha ima b all n ha ribs that's y he stopping dis
Daniel #Life Sams ?@DS4ms 9h
@Bam_N_DeyMouth :) :) :) :) :) :)
Last night, around midnight, #LIFE tweeted " :) :) :) :) :) :)"
Not sure what that meant, but doesn't sound like the tweet of a man who just suffered a semi-serious injury.
:dunno:
:thumbs:
it could be the tweet of someone trying to stay positive in the face of adversity
It was in response to this
Bam9? october 23 ?@Bam_N_DeyMouth 9h
I think god know if I get my hands on ha ima b all n ha ribs that's y he stopping dis
Daniel #Life Sams ?@DS4ms 9h
@Bam_N_DeyMouth :) :) :) :) :) :)
No it wasn't... that response was 5 "crying laughing" emoji's.
The tweet I referenced was 6 stand alone smiley faces not directed to anybody, but a top level tweet at 9:41pm. I had mistakenly remembered it being later that I'd seen it when posting about it earlier.
Guys... good news and bad news.... Confirmed sighting of #life at the commerce bank in the student union.... on crutches...that's the bad news.... Good news is that it did not look serious (did not see a brace or anything), so let's hope for the best.
Guys... good news and bad news.... Confirmed sighting of #life at the commerce bank in the student union.... on crutches...that's the bad news.... Good news is that it did not look serious (did not see a brace or anything), so let's hope for the best.
Ankle sprain, perhaps?
:pray:
Big toe hernia
so long as he's okay by conference play, we'll be fine.Nah, We are going to have a two quarterback system. Not the sucky kind where you have two quarterbacks because neither one is truly good enough to start. The elite rare version where both quarterbacks are so good you can't keep one of them off the field for an entire game. We are truely blessed. :cheers:
if Spiral Delivery System.com goes down, heaven forbid, Mr. Touchdown could beat the non-con losers we face in his sleep.
A- Source... Torn MCL, likely he will be back by the first game.
A- Source... Torn MCL, likely he will be back by the first game.
Really? Has he already had the surgery or something? Is 3 weeks a normal recovery time for something like that?
A- Source... Torn MCL, likely he will be back by the first game.
Really? Has he already had the surgery or something? Is 3 weeks a normal recovery time for something like that?
That's what I asked too. But that is all the information I got. It must not be that bad of a tear.
A- Source... Torn MCL, likely he will be back by the first game.
Really? Has he already had the surgery or something? Is 3 weeks a normal recovery time for something like that?
Grade 1 Tear
1) What is it: A few of the fibres (less than 10%) are damaged
2) Symptoms: It is usually tender on the inner side of the knee especially when any pressure is put through the region and bruising/swelling may develop over the first couple of days
3) Treatment: PRICE - protect, rest, ice, compression and elevation. Click the link to find out how to use it safely and effectively
4) Recovery: A grade 1 MCL tear usually heals itself within a couple of weeks
Grade 2 Tear
1) What is it: Many fibres are damaged but the ligament is still intact
2) Symptoms: There may be medial knee pain with a moderate amount of swelling and bruising (which appear in the first 48 hours), and the knee may feel slightly unstable
3) Treatment: PRICE first. May also benefit from tubigrip or a hinged knee brace in the short term if the knee is giving way to help provide stability and prevent further injury. Ultrasound treatment and deep tissue friction massage can also help reduce pain and speed up healing. This is usually carried out by a physical therapist or sports therapist
4) Recovery: Symptoms normally settle down within 4-6 weeks
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
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The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
:excited:
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
:excited:
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
:excited:
you know what i rough ridin' hate? when items in a list do not agree grammatically with each otherQuoteGrade 1 Tear
3) Treatment: PRICE - protect, rest, ice, compression and elevation.
you know what i rough ridin' hate? when items in a list do not agree grammatically with each otherQuoteGrade 1 Tear
3) Treatment: PRICE - protect, rest, ice, compression and elevation.
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
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except this time they're better players, have an NFL caliber offensive line and good receivers! :ksu:
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
:excited:
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
:Dworse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
:excited:
Isn't that the year Iowa State scored 28 unanswered in the 4th quarter vs K-State?
sometimes the fingers just have a mind of there own!
;)
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
Really too early to tell what our QB's are like this year in comparison to 2004. I suspect we are better off this year but you never know until they start playing games. Injuries can play a factor too as they did in 2004.
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
Really too early to tell what our QB's are like this year in comparison to 2004. I suspect we are better off this year but you never know until they start playing games. Injuries can play a factor too as they did in 2004.
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
Really too early to tell what our QB's are like this year in comparison to 2004. I suspect we are better off this year but you never know until they start playing games. Injuries can play a factor too as they did in 2004.
We saw enough of Sams last year to know that he is much, much better than Meier, Webb, and Evridge.
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
Really too early to tell what our QB's are like this year in comparison to 2004. I suspect we are better off this year but you never know until they start playing games. Injuries can play a factor too as they did in 2004.
We saw enough of Sams last year to know that he is much, much better than Meier, Webb, and Evridge.
Is he 100% right now with the MCL injury? How will the injury affect his athleticism? TIA.
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
Really too early to tell what our QB's are like this year in comparison to 2004. I suspect we are better off this year but you never know until they start playing games. Injuries can play a factor too as they did in 2004.
We saw enough of Sams last year to know that he is much, much better than Meier, Webb, and Evridge.
Is he 100% right now with the MCL injury? How will the injury affect his athleticism? TIA.
worse running back though :frown:i'll allow it.
but you're treading on some thing ice, mister.
ok!In 04 we had Darren Sproles, Yamon Figurs, Jeremy Clary, Victor Mann, Jermaine Morreria etc. If you have crappy QB play it doesn't really matter though. Also I think we have a pretty good OL but NFL caliber?
I don't think you understand my post. I was trying to illustrate that the QBs of 2013 are literally nothing like the QBs of 2004 and that there is very little comparison unless you're a racist, in which case the comparison is that we have one white QB and one black QB.
Really too early to tell what our QB's are like this year in comparison to 2004. I suspect we are better off this year but you never know until they start playing games. Injuries can play a factor too as they did in 2004.
We saw enough of Sams last year to know that he is much, much better than Meier, Webb, and Evridge.
Is he 100% right now with the MCL injury? How will the injury affect his athleticism? TIA.
We know nothing. I bet it's minor. He'll probably take it easy till needed. It's like you guys have never seen Snyder run his quarterbacks into the ground before.
fanning, shut up. i mean it, shut the eff up.Sorry you look like a dumbass, dumbass.
Not at all, Lukebucket.
The Webb/Meier fiasco of 2004 is back!
:excited:
That win was the most mumped up win ever, even more than the win vs UT where we were severely out gained. I mean, who throws the ball 4 times and wins?Waters plays the non-con, Mack prepares 100% for Waters, and then BOOM #life in your face Mack Cats win again! :lol:
Sounds like 2010 with Klein and Coffman.
I don't think I've ever seen a team throw 4 times and lose, fwiw.
Although the early reports were MCL, there are now solid (credible) grumblings that it was actually a minor tear of the meniscus which has already been cleaned up via a quick arthroscopic procedure.
Much better news from a time frame and knee stability standpoint. HTH
:thumbsup:
Although the early reports were MCL, there are now solid (credible) grumblings that it was actually a minor tear of the meniscus which has already been cleaned up via a quick arthroscopic procedure.
Much better news from a time frame and knee stability standpoint. HTH
:thumbsup:
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Friend of mine read a rumor on that other K-State fan site stating that Sams had a torn MCL. He trusts the source on the site.
He also has a friend that works in the union that saw Sams on crutches today.
All in all these are just rumors, but wanted to pass it along.
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Don't think it's anything. That site has been known to start rumors just to see people react. I wouldn't worry about it right now.
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I'm not sure about the site, but I completely trust him about the crutches. However, he could have just rolled his ankle and wanted to stay off of it.
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And with this, your original post just lost all credibility.
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A friend of yours read a rumor on another message board - so you post it in the premium section of this message board?
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Meniscus surgery. He should be back for the NDSU game. A++ source.
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Doesn't matter. Waters is starter anyways
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Thanks for the info CatProwler.
I wasn't trying to start anything. The other site my friend was on was goEMAW. I just don't care for them too much so I avoided saying it.
Just heard what I had heard and figured other Cat fans would be interested, especially since its about a possible starting QB.
I'll try my hardest to keep any rumors to myself.
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No problem. The good news is the surgery was fairly minor and Daniel should be fine in 2-3 weeks. .
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Meniscus surgery. He should be back for the NDSU game. A++ source.
Like I said, if he doesn't practice for next 14 days, Waters will be the starter for the NDSU game.
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Having to give advice on how you should share info so you don't get jumped on is hilarious. The only time any news ever gets broke on this site is when Rob comes in and posts from his national job (for some reason everyone thanks Wallace for a follow up story to news that Rob actually broke) or when a user shares info and gets jumped on. Here's a shocker, sometimes another site that has a lot of younger kids in Manhattan has more news about stuff going on in Manhattan (outside of Tubbys and So Long) rather than a site full of 50+ year old western KS school admins and people living in Texas. Also, lol at saying Waters was going to be the starter anyway. No one on this site has any clue what is going in with the team. If it takes 24+ hours for news to break that a potential starting QB got hurt in practice, then there are zero people on the board with an ounce of inside info.
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Thanks for the info CatProwler.
I wasn't trying to start anything. The other site my friend was on was goEMAW. I just don't care for them too much so I avoided saying it.
Just heard what I had heard and figured other Cat fans would be interested, especially since its about a possible starting QB.
I'll try my hardest to keep any rumors to myself.
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Sorry my early grumblings of an MCL tear weren't quite accurate. That's what I heard from a reputable source, and I wanted to share it with my best of kstate friends. #gocats
if I don't get to see Sams taking snaps against NDSU I'm going to be pretty disappointed you guys. :frown:
if I don't get to see Sams taking snaps against NDSU I'm going to be pretty disappointed you guys. :frown:
But, deep snaps... outta the pistol or shotgun. Amirite?
:excited:
While I don't agree with all of this, most of it is spot on. I don't believe anyone should be discouraged from sharing rumors or tidbits that they hear or see. I mainly subscribe to this site for the recruiting database and message board info. People have more than enough reasons to hate goEMAW, but they do provide insidery info from time to time. This board treats people in a way that discourages users to share any.
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Having to give advice on how you should share info so you don't get jumped on is hilarious. The only time any news ever gets broke on this site is when Rob comes in and posts from his national job (for some reason everyone thanks Wallace for a follow up story to news that Rob actually broke) or when a user shares info and gets jumped on. Here's a shocker, sometimes another site that has a lot of younger kids in Manhattan has more news about stuff going on in Manhattan (outside of Tubbys and So Long) rather than a site full of 50+ year old western KS school admins and people living in Texas. Also, lol at saying Waters was going to be the starter anyway. No one on this site has any clue what is going in with the team. If it takes 24+ hours for news to break that a potential starting QB got hurt in practice, then there are zero people on the board with an ounce of inside info.
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If it takes 24+ hours for news to break that a potential starting QB got hurt in practice, then there are zero people on the board with an ounce of inside info.
YepQuoteIf it takes 24+ hours for news to break that a potential starting QB got hurt in practice, then there are zero people on the board with an ounce of inside info.
QuoteWhile I don't agree with all of this, most of it is spot on. I don't believe anyone should be discouraged from sharing rumors or tidbits that they hear or see. I mainly subscribe to this site for the recruiting database and message board info. People have more than enough reasons to hate goEMAW, but they do provide insidery info from time to time. This board treats people in a way that discourages users to share any.
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what's their deal? sheesh. :frown:
QuoteWhile I don't agree with all of this, most of it is spot on. I don't believe anyone should be discouraged from sharing rumors or tidbits that they hear or see. I mainly subscribe to this site for the recruiting database and message board info. People have more than enough reasons to hate goEMAW, but they do provide insidery info from time to time. This board treats people in a way that discourages users to share any.
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QuoteWhile I don't agree with all of this, most of it is spot on. I don't believe anyone should be discouraged from sharing rumors or tidbits that they hear or see. I mainly subscribe to this site for the recruiting database and message board info. People have more than enough reasons to hate goEMAW, but they do provide insidery info from time to time. This board treats people in a way that discourages users to share any.
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love when wacky calls out typos the way everybody else calls out misspellings
Someone told me that Sams and Bill have been arguing over when to get the surgery done. From the sounds of it Daniel wanted to play on it and Bill wanted it cut now. Sounds like Bill won out on this one.
Someone told me that Sams and Bill have been arguing over when to get the surgery done. From the sounds of it Daniel wanted to play on it and Bill wanted it cut now. Sounds like Bill won out on this one.
So if true that means bill is comfortable with waters slinging tight spirals all over opposing defenses.
How long would sams we out after surgery?
Someone told me that Sams and Bill have been arguing over when to get the surgery done. From the sounds of it Daniel wanted to play on it and Bill wanted it cut now. Sounds like Bill won out on this one.
Someone told me that Sams and Bill have been arguing over when to get the surgery done. From the sounds of it Daniel wanted to play on it and Bill wanted it cut now. Sounds like Bill won out on this one.
So if true that means bill is comfortable with waters slinging tight spirals all over opposing defenses.
How long would sams we out after surgery?
Report from Monday's scrimmage: Sams was on the sidelines in street clothes. It lasted 3.5 hours and was very fast paced with several hundred snaps. Snapped the ball so fast it was hard to track the peformance of any one player. Only comments I got were on the pace and the fact our guys are well conditioned.
How awesome would it be to use south Dakota as a practice game and just do no huddle the whole game and the rest of the league is like "WTF". :lol:
When we are up by 60 in the 3rd quarter, have Sams punt out of the shotgun formation on first down just to eff with them.
When we are up by 60 in the 3rd quarter, have Sams punt out of the shotgun formation on first down just to eff with them.
When we are up by 60 in the 3rd quarter, have Sams punt out of the shotgun formation on first down just to eff with them.
Play really slow and terribly so that it's still a game in the 4th quarter and then barely win and then talk about because vanilla, etc. :drool:
When we are up by 60 in the 3rd quarter, have Sams punt out of the shotgun formation on first down just to eff with them.
Play really slow and terribly so that it's still a game in the 4th quarter and then barely win and then talk about because vanilla, etc. :drool:
man i just dont see it this year. we come out swinging and dont let up until half time. its a pud team sure but not as pud as a normal home opener
Play really slow and terribly so that it's still a game in the 4th quarter and then barely win and then talk about because vanilla, etc. :drool:
man i just dont see it this year. we come out swinging and dont let up until half time. its a pud team sure but not as pud as a normal home opener
No, it's just as pud as any other pud season opener.
Play really slow and terribly so that it's still a game in the 4th quarter and then barely win and then talk about because vanilla, etc. :drool:
man i just dont see it this year. we come out swinging and dont let up until half time. its a pud team sure but not as pud as a normal home opener
No, it's just as pud as any other pud season opener.
Klein had already won the job the last two years, though. Sams and Waters are going to come out swinging to try to impress Coach, assuming Sams is ready to play.
So, is Sams and Bill not getting along than?
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Racist much PW?
Dylan was way better than Webb. Webb was the dumbest mother rough rider who ever played for KSU.
Sort of pattern'yTrue,cept for the glorious WSC
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Dylan was way better than Webb. Webb was the dumbest mother rough rider who ever played for KSU.:flush:
Dylan was way better than Webb. Webb was the dumbest mother rough rider who ever played for KSU.
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Sams and Waters look yo be pretty much exactly the same height and both are listed as 6'2". :dunno:
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Sams and Waters look yo be pretty much exactly the same height and both are listed as 6'2". :dunno:
Sams looks an inch or two taller in that picture. :dunno:
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Sams and Waters look yo be pretty much exactly the same height and both are listed as 6'2". :dunno:
Sams looks an inch or two taller in that picture. :dunno:
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Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Sams and Waters look yo be pretty much exactly the same height and both are listed as 6'2". :dunno:
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Sams and Waters look yo be pretty much exactly the same height and both are listed as 6'2". :dunno:
a #lifewaters joke was made between the three of us today :sdeek:I know they are youngsters and all, but tell them about the really elite fruit brandy called eau de vie.
Which of you dumbasses tried to say Waters was way shorter than his listed height? (Based on the spring game, IIRC.) Own up [redacted]! :shakesfist:
Would be me jtksu. Still how I see it. :comehere:
Sams and Waters look yo be pretty much exactly the same height and both are listed as 6'2". :dunno:
Ok maybe it's not as big of a difference as I thought, but they don't look the same height and Waters is not 6'2", 6' I may give him. Just may.
Picture in todays Manhattan Mercury shows Sams and Waters standing back to back and Waters appears to be at least an inch taller.Their butts are touching too :grin:What I'd give to be a dingleberry in that meat sandwich.....
Picture in todays Manhattan Mercury shows Sams and Waters standing back to back and Waters appears to be at least an inch taller.Their butts are touching too :grin::drool: :excited:
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i have no idea who 3 of those people are
Tish, tish, kids now days. :rolleyes:Yeesh, dummy, it's obviously Bishop, Matt Miller, Chad May, and Samuel Lamur.(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg801%2F2575%2Fbulm.jpg&hash=2a7a5a80b9daaeb6dd727c0ab8b34dbfc71d9f6e)
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i have no idea who 3 of those people are
Dylan was way better than Webb. Webb was the dumbest mother rough rider who ever played for KSU.Making the decision to not play vs KU in '04 was pretty disappointing of Sunshine. '04 NU/MU and '05 MU disagree with that Webb statement
His shoulder was shot to hell.Dylan was way better than Webb. Webb was the dumbest mother rough rider who ever played for KSU.Making the decision to not play vs KU in '04 was pretty disappointing of Sunshine. '04 NU/MU and '05 MU disagree with that Webb statement
Picture in todays Manhattan Mercury shows Sams and Waters standing back to back and Waters appears to be at least an inch taller.Their butts are touching too :grin:
His shoulder was shot to hell.Dylan was way better than Webb. Webb was the dumbest mother rough rider who ever played for KSU.Making the decision to not play vs KU in '04 was pretty disappointing of Sunshine. '04 NU/MU and '05 MU disagree with that Webb statement
Yeah the shoulder thing or the qb being banged up for that matter has never really meant crap to snyds
rough ridin' grants shoulders were toast for that whole season
oh for sure. grant has robot shoulders now, queso was banged up and we all know ck7 couldn't count to potato by the end of the year. It's always been his way, you have to be a tough rough rider to play qb for this teamYeah the shoulder thing or the qb being banged up for that matter has never really meant crap to snyds
rough ridin' grants shoulders were toast for that whole season
all three were bad fwiw but yeah, gg was the worst and as much as the stories say that snyds (and the staff) didn't know, he did.
no one's shoulder was ever as bad as josh freeman's shoulder hernia post oklahoma state '06Lucky the guy can still play; unlike other QB's that played for Synder.
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i never realized how attractive dunn was. what a hunk.
i never realized how attractive dunn was. what a hunk.
he looks like a huge dork
i never realized how attractive dunn was. what a hunk.
he looks like a huge dork
he looks like a bad guy from a mid-90's teen drama.
he's the second best looking of that group of 4.
dunn is way better looking than dylan and webb. dylan's face makes me want to kill somebody
dunn is way better looking than dylan and webb. dylan's face makes me want to kill somebody
because you're so ugly in comparison?
I'm with PW.
Everything except his extreme enthusiasm re. MalickI'm with PW.
with her on everything?
Everything except his extreme enthusiasm re. MalickI'm with PW.
with her on everything?
Yeah. Everything except gays and Malick.Everything except his extreme enthusiasm re. MalickI'm with PW.
with her on everything?
also hating gays
Dylan was a studmuffin in the looks department.
I'm with PW.
with her on everything?
Who was the ugliest qb to ever start?
Kavanagh wasn't, like, hot by any meansYeah kavanagh was the one who jumped out at me. Grant Gregory had a bit of an uggo face, but he was inked up and had a rockin' bod.
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When two people are standing back to back and one appears taller than the other I start to question "listed heights"Picture in todays Manhattan Mercury shows Sams and Waters standing back to back and Waters appears to be at least an inch taller.Their butts are touching too :grin:
SAMs is listed at 6'2" and waters is listed at 6'1" so I don't get the debate here? Pro tip ksu fb lists the correct height and weight of players within a half inch or so. Not really worth talking about they are what they say they are. The only exception is when they list new recruits at their recruiting heights before they are measured.
Daniel Sams can
a) Run
b) Throw
c) Played last year and big game experience.
Jake Waters
a) known for throwing perfect timed passes
So its just commonsense that Daniel Sams will start the game for K-State.
Sams will start, I guarantee it. Because if bill synder is as smart a coach as you say he is, he will see the speed matchups on outside that Sam's running brings.
D U H .
Sams will start, I guarantee it. Because if bill synder is as smart a coach as you say he is, he will see the speed matchups on outside that Sam's running brings.
D U H .
IT'S OFFICIAL:users:
I'm more concerned about making sure our guy Daniel's knee is feeling good
Sams will start, I guarantee it. Because if bill synder is as smart a coach as you say he is, he will see the speed matchups on outside that Sam's running brings.
D U H .
We're actually not really concerned at all who starts the first game. Most likely both will play quite a bit. We're more concerned about who will establish themselves as the starter going into conference play.
When two people are standing back to back and one appears taller than the other I start to question "listed heights"Picture in todays Manhattan Mercury shows Sams and Waters standing back to back and Waters appears to be at least an inch taller.Their butts are touching too :grin:
SAMs is listed at 6'2" and waters is listed at 6'1" so I don't get the debate here? Pro tip ksu fb lists the correct height and weight of players within a half inch or so. Not really worth talking about they are what they say they are. The only exception is when they list new recruits at their recruiting heights before they are measured.
If you start the statue of jake, he'll be out by 2nd quarter
If you start the statue of jake, he'll be out by 2nd quarterHaHa....we could actually start a statue a QB and still blow you Bison out by halftime
If you start the statue of jake, he'll be out by 2nd quarter
Isn't it highsteppercat?
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Sams will start, I guarantee it. Because if bill synder is as smart a coach as you say he is, he will see the speed matchups on outside that Sam's running brings.
D U H .
Isn't it highsteppercat?
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What about Mr. Touchdown?
He was telling anyone who would listen he (Jake) is the starter last night.
He was telling anyone who would listen he (Jake) is the starter last night.
When & where did this occur? And, was he just PAK'd outta his mind or what? Surely, that behavior has been coached outta him by this point...
:sdeek:
If we don't have an African American starting quarterback I will be very upset. It's been way way too long.
Is Snyder going to announce it? Or is he going to be all coy and have both of the QBs come out before the game and practice taking snaps and make sure they both look like they're working really hard? Are Sams and Waters both going to come out before the game and be really visible about stretching extra super hard so no one knows which one is going in?Typical Snyder move will be to put the QB in who will not be the starter when conference games start.
Is Snyder going to announce it? Or is he going to be all coy and have both of the QBs come out before the game and practice taking snaps and make sure they both look like they're working really hard? Are Sams and Waters both going to come out before the game and be really visible about stretching extra super hard so no one knows which one is going in?NDSU getting schemed
Sams will start, I guarantee it. Because if bill synder is as smart a coach as you say he is, he will see the speed matchups on outside that Sam's running brings.
D U H .
well, he's not starting so that's that
When you outman a team at every position why would you worry about matchups?
Sams will start, I guarantee it. Because if bill synder is as smart a coach as you say he is, he will see the speed matchups on outside that Sam's running brings.
D U H .
bookie pimp please stop, i know you are trying to bbs but please just be better at it
bookie pimp please stop, i know you are trying to bbs but please just be better at it
Perhaps the following acronym will help you understand how I feel about your post:
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bookie pimp please stop, i know you are trying to bbs but please just be better at it
Perhaps the following acronym will help you understand how I feel about your post:
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actually thats not an acronym its initialism
Is lakebison a timhawk sock, or is timhawk a lakebison sock?Okclone sock
bookie pimp please stop, i know you are trying to bbs but please just be better at it
Perhaps the following acronym will help you understand how I feel about your post:
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actually thats not an acronym its initialism
bookie pimp please stop, i know you are trying to bbs but please just be better at it
Perhaps the following acronym will help you understand how I feel about your post:
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actually thats not an acronym its initialism
Well, eff me. I guess I need to brush up on my imagined definition of an acronym. This initialism thing came out of left field for me.
kevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
kevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 1m
Waters was a quick study to the offense and is not a typical juco. Academic award winner in juco was just not recruited out of high school.
That's not really saying a whole lot to be honest.Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 6m
How many snaps might Daniel Sams see on Friday? LHC Bill Snyder: "It could be five it could be 50. I just don't know."
Guys, I wanted Sams too, but on the bright side it's not set in stone forever and if someone can beat out someone with Sams' ability, it might be a good thing. Waters might be a grade A studmuffin.
nahadameanGuys, I wanted Sams too, but on the bright side it's not set in stone forever and if someone can beat out someone with Sams' ability, it might be a good thing. Waters might be a grade A studmuffin.
fire up the "what if jake waters is a complete bad ass" thread :ksu:
I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.Florida the year Jesus was a sophomore, IIRC.
Anybody have any examples?
Sams is a sophomore :excited:I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.Florida the year Jesus was a sophomore, IIRC.
Anybody have any examples?
I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.
Anybody have any examples?
That's not really saying a whole lot to be honest.Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.
Anybody have any examples?
Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
I have good super-insidery info that Jack Walters has skills that allow TLBL to showcase what he can really do in ways that CK couldn't... This is a VERY good thing.
:billdance:
Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
I have good super-insidery info that Jack Walters has skills that allow TLBL to showcase what he can really do in ways that CK couldn't... This is a VERY good thing.
:billdance:
scout board?
some of us have been posting this was the case for months :dubious:
some of us have been posting this was the case for months :dubious:
HOW DOES IT FEEL
Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
I just don't see this team reaching it's full potential without a dominant running threat at QB. When Klein stopped running without regard to his physical well being after OSU the whole offense was less effective. Waters has to be more explosive than CCQ but I am still afraid of 2.5 yard runs on 3rd and 3 QB option keepers.
Del was not around when Bishop, Beasley and Ell took the program to new heights but I have hopes he has learned to appreciate what how great a dynamic dual threat QB can be. Hopefully, this is more about Sams getting dinged than anything else.
Well a few things. Everything after Freeman could qualify as "in years". These coaches weren't here for Freeman even if they were including him. And Freeman really wasn't consistently great here as a passer.That's not really saying a whole lot to be honest.Quotekevin kietzman ?@kkwhb 2m
Snyder won't say it but many inside program believe they may have best passing qb at KSU in years.
:sdeek:
Freeman was here just 4 years ago. If Waters is better than Freeman that is saying a lot.
if i'm honest, i'm a little worried the play calling will be our standard qb run game heavy offense. i know waters is reported as being a decent runner, but if we have a dynamic passer in there i want to spread the bitch open.
I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.
Anybody have any examples?
if i'm honest, i'm a little worried the play calling will be our standard qb run game heavy offense. i know waters is reported as being a decent runner, but if we have a dynamic passer in there i want to spread the bitch open.
I'd honestly rather just slow the game down and keep our shallow and possibly shitty defense off the field as much as possible. Maybe the defense ends up being good, though. :dunno:
I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.
Anybody have any examples?
ND last year, Florida the first year Urban Meyer won it all, to a lesser extent OU the past two seasons, Oregon State last year was solid, LSU the year they won it all did it some.
some of us have been posting this was the case for months :dubious:
HOW DOES IT FEEL
I just don't see this team reaching it's full potential without a dominant running threat at QB. When Klein stopped running without regard to his physical well being after OSU the whole offense was less effective. Waters has to be more explosive than CCQ but I am still afraid of 2.5 yard runs on 3rd and 3 QB option keepers.
Del was not around when Bishop, Beasley and Ell took the program to new heights but I have hopes he has learned to appreciate what how great a dynamic dual threat QB can be. Hopefully, this is more about Sams getting dinged than anything else.
I just don't see this team reaching it's full potential without a dominant running threat at QB. When Klein stopped running without regard to his physical well being after OSU the whole offense was less effective. Waters has to be more explosive than CCQ but I am still afraid of 2.5 yard runs on 3rd and 3 QB option keepers.
Del was not around when Bishop, Beasley and Ell took the program to new heights but I have hopes he has learned to appreciate what how great a dynamic dual threat QB can be. Hopefully, this is more about Sams getting dinged than anything else.
Del was the OC when Ell was practically unstoppable his senior year. Ron Hudson held him back by being worthless.
Regardless, the actual offense we used when Coffman was here wasn't bad. He just didn't have the arm or legs to run it effectively. Waters does.
We have a very, very strong WR corps. Waters is a solid pick here. Also, Sams gives you a real curveball look to give a defense a few times a game, so we can keep them off balance.
This offense is going to be fun.
I think 2 qb's can be fine. Why wouldn't it be fine? Just seems like old outdated thinking not based on any facts to assume it wouldn't work.
I'm not saying it's clearly the best for us, but it might be.
A 2 QB situation makes me nervous. No matter how good a QB can be, confidence is obtained from repetitions and rhythm. If we continue to swap Sams and Waters out under center I think it will eventually create a lower ceiling for the team.
However, if Sams is on the field at the same time as Waters as a threat to pass and run under the Wildcat formation, then 2 QB's will not scare me as much. I don't want to see a different QB every other drive under center.
A 2 QB situation makes me nervous. No matter how good a QB can be, confidence is obtained from repetitions and rhythm. If we continue to swap Sams and Waters out under center I think it will eventually create a lower ceiling for the team.
However, if Sams is on the field at the same time as Waters as a threat to pass and run under the Wildcat formation, then 2 QB's will not scare me as much. I don't want to see a different QB every other drive under center.
It's the equivalent to Frank subbing the starting 5 in and out. No one can get in a flow or get comfortable with how the defense is moving/reacting.
I can't recall a team regularly playing 2 different QBs and having a lot of success. Maybe it's happened, I just don't recall it.
Anybody have any examples?
ND last year, Florida the first year Urban Meyer won it all, to a lesser extent OU the past two seasons, Oregon State last year was solid, LSU the year they won it all did it some.
Yeah, but I mean "regularly" playing both QBs. Like, splitting series more or less. Rees played for ND, but Golson had the overwhelming majority of snaps. Blake Bell only played on the goal line.
I just want to know if I can anticipate an offense that features Sams regularly taking snaps at QB in non-situational settings.
So you're looking for a team that just randomly shuffled in different QBs regardless of the situation and was successful? No, that has not happened.
I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
A 2 QB situation makes me nervous. No matter how good a QB can be, confidence is obtained from repetitions and rhythm. If we continue to swap Sams and Waters out under center I think it will eventually create a lower ceiling for the team.
I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
I would love to see something where they are both on the field like 90%+ of the time we are on O. Both can run. Both can throw. Add a component to the play call that indicates who lines up under center, etc.
Would be fantastically entertaining.
Don't really have much interest in subbing them in for each other a bunch unless it is because we are going to set records for the most snaps per game ever and one QB simply can't do it all.
Well, not from the opponent's redzone...I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
He can't get 50 yard touchdown runs in the redzone, though. :frown:
A 2 QB situation makes me nervous. No matter how good a QB can be, confidence is obtained from repetitions and rhythm. If we continue to swap Sams and Waters out under center I think it will eventually create a lower ceiling for the team.
How many reps do you think they both get in practice? (a hell of a lot more than a starter would get in a game w/ every snap).
I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
So our own Belldozer. :sdeek:
If Waters is a badass and stuff, I would like to see Sams as a WR. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Make him into a Tavon Austin or something.
I would love to see something where they are both on the field like 90%+ of the time we are on O. Both can run. Both can throw. Add a component to the play call that indicates who lines up under center, etc.
Would be fantastically entertaining.
Don't really have much interest in subbing them in for each other a bunch unless it is because we are going to set records for the most snaps per game ever and one QB simply can't do it all.
Remind me... Were you a woodwind or horn in the POWL?
I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
So our own Belldozer. :sdeek:
If Waters is a badass and stuff, I would like to see Sams as a WR. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Make him into a Tavon Austin or something.
the way we play our QBs get hurt all the time. I'm guessing one of these guys gets grant gregory'd this season no matter what and I'm happy we have a good backup (hopefully good anyway)
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if we don't see a lot of reverse passes and double passes and halfback passes. snyder clearly has the mind to be able to throw some pretty funky crap at a defense and it appears that we have 2 very capable qb's that could scare the eff out of any defense. I wouldn't be upset at all if #life turned into a "slash" and just bounced around from qb to wr to rb and made big 12 d-coordinators :runaway:
Maybe we'll use Sams like a super Denard Robinson :love:
Oh man guys look about 4 posts up. K Thx.Maybe we'll use Sams like a super Denard Robinson :love:
good comparo
So you're looking for a team that just randomly shuffled in different QBs regardless of the situation and was successful? No, that has not happened.
I would love to see something where they are both on the field like 90%+ of the time we are on O. Both can run. Both can throw. Add a component to the play call that indicates who lines up under center, etc.
Would be fantastically entertaining.
Don't really have much interest in subbing them in for each other a bunch unless it is because we are going to set records for the most snaps per game ever and one QB simply can't do it all.
Remind me... Were you a woodwind or horn in the POWL?
Neither.
When Bill came back, he was on the radio in KC and said that he would love to find a way to do what I described. Was hoping that this was the year.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^I would love to see something where they are both on the field like 90%+ of the time we are on O. Both can run. Both can throw. Add a component to the play call that indicates who lines up under center, etc.
Would be fantastically entertaining.
Don't really have much interest in subbing them in for each other a bunch unless it is because we are going to set records for the most snaps per game ever and one QB simply can't do it all.
Remind me... Were you a woodwind or horn in the POWL?
Neither.
When Bill came back, he was on the radio in KC and said that he would love to find a way to do what I described. Was hoping that this was the year.
Maybe he would "love to find a way to do what you described", but it won't happen. The vast majority of our offense is run from offense based on either veer or single-wing principles, both of which generally require a good lead blocking back.
Point being, you eliminate FAR too much of the offense with them both in the game at the same time simply due to the fact that nobody in his right mind would consistently line up either of them as a point of attack lead blocker.
HTH
I would love to see something where they are both on the field like 90%+ of the time we are on O. Both can run. Both can throw. Add a component to the play call that indicates who lines up under center, etc.
Would be fantastically entertaining.
Don't really have much interest in subbing them in for each other a bunch unless it is because we are going to set records for the most snaps per game ever and one QB simply can't do it all.
Remind me... Were you a woodwind or horn in the POWL?
Neither.
When Bill came back, he was on the radio in KC and said that he would love to find a way to do what I described. Was hoping that this was the year.
Maybe he would "love to find a way to do what you described", but it won't happen. The vast majority of our offense is run from offense based on either veer or single-wing principles, both of which generally require a good lead blocking back.
Point being, you eliminate FAR too much of the offense with them both in the game at the same time simply due to the fact that nobody in his right mind would consistently line up either of them as a point of attack lead blocker.
HTH
we have to be careful here, the reason #life came here and didnt go to OU LSU FSU was to play qb, doesnt look good to other "athlete" type players if he doesnt play any qb
Mangino ran an offense with 2 QBs on the field at all times in 2007. He never put Meier under center, but he was almost always on the field.
Mangino ran an offense with 2 QBs on the field at all times in 2007. He never put Meier under center, but he was almost always on the field.
Yeah, but the difference was that Meier was essentially not a QB in 2007. If Sams is being converted to WR, great analogy. But, I'm assuming Sams is still our backup QB, first and foremost.
I was just lurking and enjoying this thread, but this post is to good to pass up without commenting. And by that I mean I just wanted to give you one of these.. :thumbs: and maybe a couple of these... :thumbsup:I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
So our own Belldozer. :sdeek:
If Waters is a badass and stuff, I would like to see Sams as a WR. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Make him into a Tavon Austin or something.
the way we play our QBs get hurt all the time. I'm guessing one of these guys gets grant gregory'd this season no matter what and I'm happy we have a good backup (hopefully good anyway)
Three thumbs :sdeek:I was just lurking and enjoying this thread, but this post is to good to pass up without commenting. And by that I mean I just wanted to give you one of these.. :thumbs: and maybe a couple of these... :thumbsup:I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
So our own Belldozer. :sdeek:
If Waters is a badass and stuff, I would like to see Sams as a WR. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Make him into a Tavon Austin or something.
the way we play our QBs get hurt all the time. I'm guessing one of these guys gets grant gregory'd this season no matter what and I'm happy we have a good backup (hopefully good anyway)
I would think that if Bill wants to try something and Bill has the personnel, that we may see Bill try what Bill wants. :dunno:
Grats on being able to watch football and know what a blocker is, though.
I would think that if Bill wants to try something and Bill has the personnel, that we may see Bill try what Bill wants. :dunno:
Grats on being able to watch football and know what a blocker is, though.
I'm pretty sure everybody that's not a mouth breather here already understands that I've likely learned and forgotten more about the game of american football than you'll ever know.
Keep reaching. It's cute.
When I think high quality football x's and o's, i know i turn to Bookie Pimp.
I would think that if Bill wants to try something and Bill has the personnel, that we may see Bill try what Bill wants. :dunno:
Grats on being able to watch football and know what a blocker is, though.
I'm pretty sure everybody that's not a mouth breather here already understands that I've likely learned and forgotten more about the game of american football than you'll ever know.
Keep reaching. It's cute.
You're being Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and it's because you think I was mean to you earlier. I get it, but it's stupid to plant so hard in the ground on this. I haven't even stated anything other than saying I would like to see what Bill himself would like to see.
Your effort on this is not well directed.
You will have other opportunities. I don't always think before I post.
Oh man guys look about 4 posts up. K Thx.Maybe we'll use Sams like a super Denard Robinson :love:
good comparo
I would think that if Bill wants to try something and Bill has the personnel, that we may see Bill try what Bill wants. :dunno:
Grats on being able to watch football and know what a blocker is, though.
I'm pretty sure everybody that's not a mouth breather here already understands that I've likely learned and forgotten more about the game of american football than you'll ever know.
Keep reaching. It's cute.
You're being Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and it's because you think I was mean to you earlier. I get it, but it's stupid to plant so hard in the ground on this. I haven't even stated anything other than saying I would like to see what Bill himself would like to see.
Your effort on this is not well directed.
You will have other opportunities. I don't always think before I post.
No. Actually, I'd already let that go... I don't hold grudges and that's a whole nother issue.
We know that "Bill's gonna Bill" and we also know that generally speaking, Coach is VERY risk averse. I was simply pointing out why I don't see them being on the field much at the same time, unless it's to line Sams up in the slot as Nuts Kicked suggested earlier. Regardless, you're almost screaming "Its a pass play" if/when you bring them into the game at the same time, imho.
personally i don't think bookie pimp is giving Snyder enough credit as a pioneer in creating new offensive schemes. i think it's unlikely we see the "tecmo bowl" offense that CNS is describing, but i certainly wouldn't be shocked to see snyder do something like that.I wouldn't just look forward but look backwards.
personally i don't think bookie pimp is giving Snyder enough credit as a pioneer in creating new offensive schemes. i think it's unlikely we see the "tecmo bowl" offense that CNS is describing, but i certainly wouldn't be shocked to see snyder do something like that.
You don't know what Katdaddy is capeable of. :fatty:Three thumbs :sdeek:I was just lurking and enjoying this thread, but this post is to good to pass up without commenting. And by that I mean I just wanted to give you one of these.. :thumbs: and maybe a couple of these... :thumbsup:I could see Sams being a red zone / goal line qb.
So our own Belldozer. :sdeek:
If Waters is a badass and stuff, I would like to see Sams as a WR. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Make him into a Tavon Austin or something.
the way we play our QBs get hurt all the time. I'm guessing one of these guys gets grant gregory'd this season no matter what and I'm happy we have a good backup (hopefully good anyway)
if they are on the field at the same time it will be in the pistol with sams behind waters. it will be a mostly passing package, but there will be some toss or option plays designed to keep the safety from coming up into the alley because of the pass threat from sams.
bill knows his qb is going to take some abuse. he doesn't want his 2nd qb out there getting hurt or tired while blocking and running routes. if i'm wrong and they are on the field together in some other fashion you guys can place me against a wall and shoot me.
Also, people like to forget how rigid Tecmo Bowl play-calling was.
if they are on the field at the same time it will be in the pistol with sams behind waters. it will be a mostly passing package, but there will be some toss or option plays designed to keep the safety from coming up into the alley because of the pass threat from sams.
bill knows his qb is going to take some abuse. he doesn't want his 2nd qb out there getting hurt or tired while blocking and running routes. if i'm wrong and they are on the field together in some other fashion you guys can place me against a wall and shoot me.
Sams would take far more abuse as the running back in the pistol than he would ever take lining up in the slot.
if they are on the field at the same time it will be in the pistol with sams behind waters. it will be a mostly passing package, but there will be some toss or option plays designed to keep the safety from coming up into the alley because of the pass threat from sams.
bill knows his qb is going to take some abuse. he doesn't want his 2nd qb out there getting hurt or tired while blocking and running routes. if i'm wrong and they are on the field together in some other fashion you guys can place me against a wall and shoot me.
Sams would take far more abuse as the running back in the pistol than he would ever take lining up in the slot.
he would have lined up in the slot last year if snyder was willing to do that. snyder isn't going to have his second string qb run routes. that takes away from his attentiveness to his job as a qb. inattentive qbs turn the ball over and LHC Bill Snyder rough ridin' loathes turnovers.
Just to be clear, I don't think any kind of 2-QBs-at-the-same-time system will be the norm, but again, we're talking about the guy who arguably invented the wildcat formation. Snyder's offenses have the penchant for being absolutely batshit crazy at times. That speed option we ran with Carsy where he "options" to the slot back comes to mind.personally i don't think bookie pimp is giving Snyder enough credit as a pioneer in creating new offensive schemes. i think it's unlikely we see the "tecmo bowl" offense that CNS is describing, but i certainly wouldn't be shocked to see snyder do something like that.
I think you're missing the point, completely brotha... The more you understand about how our offense truly works and what all we are running, the more you realize how "gimmicky" this would be. Could it happen? Sure. Will it on a consistent basis? Not likely.
I wouldn't be shocked to see an occasional play or two, but whole packages are highly unlikely. It just goes against the "consistency" factor we've grown to know and love.
As for being a "pioneer in creating new offensive schemes", that's a stretch. The more one understands the base principles of veer and single-wing offenses, the more you realize he's just added some modern wrinkles to some old offenses that have been tried and true since Bill Yeoman and Pop Warner created those schemes.
Just to be clear, I don't think any kind of 2-QBs-at-the-same-time system will be the norm, but again, we're talking about the guy who arguably invented the wildcat formation. Snyder's offenses have the penchant for being absolutely batshit crazy at times. That speed option we ran with Carsy where he "options" to the slot back comes to mind.personally i don't think bookie pimp is giving Snyder enough credit as a pioneer in creating new offensive schemes. i think it's unlikely we see the "tecmo bowl" offense that CNS is describing, but i certainly wouldn't be shocked to see snyder do something like that.
I think you're missing the point, completely brotha... The more you understand about how our offense truly works and what all we are running, the more you realize how "gimmicky" this would be. Could it happen? Sure. Will it on a consistent basis? Not likely.
I wouldn't be shocked to see an occasional play or two, but whole packages are highly unlikely. It just goes against the "consistency" factor we've grown to know and love.
As for being a "pioneer in creating new offensive schemes", that's a stretch. The more one understands the base principles of veer and single-wing offenses, the more you realize he's just added some modern wrinkles to some old offenses that have been tried and true since Bill Yeoman and Pop Warner created those schemes.
In any case, I just think it's important to remember how huge Snyder's playbook is and how, above all else, he builds his offenses around the particular talent he has. Whether it's the pass heavy attack with May, the Ell-esque options, or the power QB run game with Klein.
Just because something worked with Klein doesn't mean Snyder's going to stick with it when Sams or Waters come around.
Lastly, I trust that your last two points/paragraphs were solely for those with super LFBIQ because I'm guessing even the NDSU fans get that much.Well that's the trouble. You're assuming that you have some idea of what Snyder's offense is going to look like this year when I don't think you have any idea what the hell you're talking about.
Just to be clear, I don't think any kind of 2-QBs-at-the-same-time system will be the norm, but again, we're talking about the guy who arguably invented the wildcat formation. Snyder's offenses have the penchant for being absolutely batshit crazy at times. That speed option we ran with Carsy where he "options" to the slot back comes to mind.personally i don't think bookie pimp is giving Snyder enough credit as a pioneer in creating new offensive schemes. i think it's unlikely we see the "tecmo bowl" offense that CNS is describing, but i certainly wouldn't be shocked to see snyder do something like that.
I think you're missing the point, completely brotha... The more you understand about how our offense truly works and what all we are running, the more you realize how "gimmicky" this would be. Could it happen? Sure. Will it on a consistent basis? Not likely.
I wouldn't be shocked to see an occasional play or two, but whole packages are highly unlikely. It just goes against the "consistency" factor we've grown to know and love.
As for being a "pioneer in creating new offensive schemes", that's a stretch. The more one understands the base principles of veer and single-wing offenses, the more you realize he's just added some modern wrinkles to some old offenses that have been tried and true since Bill Yeoman and Pop Warner created those schemes.
In any case, I just think it's important to remember how huge Snyder's playbook is and how, above all else, he builds his offenses around the particular talent he has. Whether it's the pass heavy attack with May, the Ell-esque options, or the power QB run game with Klein.
Just because something worked with Klein doesn't mean Snyder's going to stick with it when Sams or Waters come around.
Lastly, I trust that your last two points/paragraphs were solely for those with super LFBIQ because I'm guessing even the NDSU fans get that much.Well that's the trouble. You're assuming that you have some idea of what Snyder's offense is going to look like this year when I don't think you have any idea what the hell you're talking about.
Again, there's the disconnect. Call it semantics or whatever. I agree that we're going to utilize option reads in some capacity, even with Waters, but if you're going to call last year's offense "the same" as the one we saw under May then I think our conversation's about over.Lastly, I trust that your last two points/paragraphs were solely for those with super LFBIQ because I'm guessing even the NDSU fans get that much.Well that's the trouble. You're assuming that you have some idea of what Snyder's offense is going to look like this year when I don't think you have any idea what the hell you're talking about.
The reason you don't think I know what I'm talking about is because you don't understand the base principles of the offenses from which our offense is derived.
Knowing what we've done historically with similar skill sets to that of Waters and Sams gives me a pretty good idea of which section of the playbook will get the most work... Well that, and still having relationships within the program that still share general bits of information that give a reasonable insight.
How many times does LHCBS have to say that we run the same offense every year, we just feature different aspects based on the skill sets of our skill position players before you non-athlete types start to get it?
drink once every time bookie says "principles", twice every time he says "veer". finish your drink for every reference to playing football/you not playing football.
Again, there's the disconnect. Call it semantics or whatever. I agree that we're going to utilize option reads in some capacity, even with Waters, but if you're going to call last year's offense "the same" as the one we saw under May then I think our conversation's about over.Lastly, I trust that your last two points/paragraphs were solely for those with super LFBIQ because I'm guessing even the NDSU fans get that much.Well that's the trouble. You're assuming that you have some idea of what Snyder's offense is going to look like this year when I don't think you have any idea what the hell you're talking about.
The reason you don't think I know what I'm talking about is because you don't understand the base principles of the offenses from which our offense is derived.
Knowing what we've done historically with similar skill sets to that of Waters and Sams gives me a pretty good idea of which section of the playbook will get the most work... Well that, and still having relationships within the program that still share general bits of information that give a reasonable insight.
How many times does LHCBS have to say that we run the same offense every year, we just feature different aspects based on the skill sets of our skill position players before you non-athlete types start to get it?
Fair enough.
In fact, just the other week, i was reminiscing about that acclaimed veer offense we ran with Chad May. Yowza! What a veer that was!
Let's just talk about Sams skipping practice.
If I were a coach in a similar situation (two fairly close options with a slate of awful competition), I would alternate QB's every possession, and compare how they do in every situation (down and distance, field position, hash, etc.) Call every drive like it's a tied game. I'd already be doing this in practice, too. If one isn't clearly superior at every situation, play the QB that is superior in each particular situation.I believe he will play Waters the first half and Sams the second. And yes he will evaluate.
This is obviously way oversimplified, but it is IMO the best approach to a 2QB scenario. I also like to think some version of this will take place (or is already).
will you guys please shut up?Great insight, Carnes. Top notch stuff right here.
i wonder if sams skipped practice today after hearing that snyder named spiraldeliverysystem.com the starterI bet he started skipping showers after he saw his python
i wonder if sams skipped practice today after hearing that snyder named spiraldeliverysystem.com the starterProbably broke his heart, the EMAW is great within that one. :katpakhead:
Oh God, do they shower together??? :horrorsurprise:i wonder if sams skipped practice today after hearing that snyder named spiraldeliverysystem.com the starterI bet he started skipping showers after he saw his python
There seems to be an established pattern of skipping.He might not even be the back up
if i can prove he skipped, and i think i can, then he needs to find a new home asap. you don't put yourself above the family just 4 days before your family's first game.Don't do this Clams, You'll just break our hearts. :cry:
Why would Daniel stay home over winter break only to skip spring practices? I call BS.Maybe he had warrants out on him back home
Why would Daniel stay home over winter break only to skip spring practices? I call BS.Maybe he had warrants out on him back home
He was telling anyone who would listen he (Jake) is the starter last night.
When & where did this occur? And, was he just PAK'd outta his mind or what? Surely, that behavior has been coached outta him by this point...
:sdeek:
Rustys outback about 1a
He was telling anyone who would listen he (Jake) is the starter last night.
When & where did this occur? And, was he just PAK'd outta his mind or what? Surely, that behavior has been coached outta him by this point...
:sdeek:
Rustys outback about 1a
Looks like Scott scooped the pros on this one. Good work. :thumbs:
Is there a less likeable poster on this blog than bookiepimp? Sheesh.
:bang:The knee injury ended the race. Waters is starting because Sams is missing practice.:frown:
Is there a less likeable poster on this blog than bookiepimp? Sheesh.
The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
forgot how much better this site is when fan posts and blogs
The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
:bang:The knee injury ended the race. Waters is starting because Sams is missing practice.:frown:
It's like everybody's too busy arguing over Meier vs Dunn to notice anything around here.
pretty sure _fan isn't blogging to try and get people to like you.The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
Regardless of what you come up with and how congruent it is with what I posted, I still won't be very likeable. I'm a huge bad person and most people already know that.
:fatty:
pretty sure _fan isn't blogging to try and get people to like you.The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
Regardless of what you come up with and how congruent it is with what I posted, I still won't be very likeable. I'm a huge bad person and most people already know that.
:fatty:
can we all just bite the bullet and tell bookie how much smarter he is at football than everyone else so he'll shut the eff up already?
The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
forgot how much better this site is when fan posts and blogs
good call. also, thanks for helping to fill in the summer combo season _fan gap, but now that he's back we really don't have a position for you here anymore. so you should probably go back full time to the other (the other) site. we'll give you a call next spring though if we can use you. thanks again gfa and have a great fall/winter.
:ck:pretty sure _fan isn't blogging to try and get people to like you.The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
Regardless of what you come up with and how congruent it is with what I posted, I still won't be very likeable. I'm a huge bad person and most people already know that.
:fatty:
can we all just bite the bullet and tell bookie how much smarter he is at football than everyone else so he'll shut the eff up already?
RAMS!!! :bwpopcorn:
The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
forgot how much better this site is when fan posts and blogs
good call. also, thanks for helping to fill in the summer combo season _fan gap, but now that he's back we really don't have a position for you here anymore. so you should probably go back full time to the other (the other) site. we'll give you a call next spring though if we can use you. thanks again gfa and have a great fall/winter.
I'm stayin'
:ck:pretty sure _fan isn't blogging to try and get people to like you.The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
Regardless of what you come up with and how congruent it is with what I posted, I still won't be very likeable. I'm a huge bad person and most people already know that.
:fatty:
can we all just bite the bullet and tell bookie how much smarter he is at football than everyone else so he'll shut the eff up already?
RAMS!!! :bwpopcorn:
pretty sure _fan isn't blogging to try and get people to like you.The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
Regardless of what you come up with and how congruent it is with what I posted, I still won't be very likeable. I'm a huge bad person and most people already know that.
:fatty:
can we all just bite the bullet and tell bookie how much smarter he is at football than everyone else so he'll shut the eff up already?
:blush::ck:pretty sure _fan isn't blogging to try and get people to like you.The BP/Dlew/CNS discussion of offensive scheme is extremely relevant to this week's _FANalysis (coming Thursday). I am currently breaking down all the information I gleaned from last year's blog (I didn't get every game, but more than enough to establish good patterns/tendancies) for both formations and play calls. My goal will be to establish a footprint of what Snyder's offense was last year so fans have a bit of a benchmark for comparison of this year's offense to the CK era.
Regardless of what you come up with and how congruent it is with what I posted, I still won't be very likeable. I'm a huge bad person and most people already know that.
:fatty:
can we all just bite the bullet and tell bookie how much smarter he is at football than everyone else so he'll shut the eff up already?
RAMS!!! :bwpopcorn:
High grade PI
Waters is nothing. He can't create anything. He can throw a touchdown when the receiver has a 10 yard gap. Big whoop.
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.On a scale of 5-50 snaps how much more Sams do you think we see?I say 3 snaps
i can already tell that waters is nowhere near as good as #life
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.On a scale of 5-50 snaps how much more Sams do you think we see?I say 3 snaps
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.I'm fine with waters starting over Sams. his passing was good. I'm not fine with waters running and I'm not fine with Sams getting less than a third of the snaps. he needs to be getting playing time because we're gonna need him if we're going to beat more than 2 teams in this conference.
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.He should be. Take away the last desperation throw that was intercepted and he played well. TLBL dropped one ball that he usually grabs. There was that awful INT in the first half, but otherwise decent first start
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.
Sounds like from the teleconference Snyder was relatively happy with Waters and he'll start unless he just falls apart, though we should expect to see more Sams.He should be. Take away the last desperation throw that was intercepted and he played well. TLBL dropped one ball that he usually grabs. There was that awful INT in the first half, but otherwise decent first start
Had to appreciate the effort on the dive for the first down (even if he was short) :shy:
I didn't really have a problem so much with the play of Waters as I did the offense Bill ran to accomodate Waters that only scored 21 points. 7 of those 21 happened with Waters on the sideline, too. Bill is much better with a running QB than he showed with Waters. He should start the QB that he can score points with, and that QB is Sams.
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
If we can't have success, I at least welcome the drama, dammit.I simply ask to be entertained. :popcorn:
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Link?
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.Dont eff with my emotions! If true, let the Heisman campaign begin. :D
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Link?
probably that k-statefans.com forum. damnit, they're off to a hot start.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw:love:
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
What, exactly, is that worth?
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
What, exactly, is that worth?
About 21 pts more than a Waters start.
Does anyone else think its interesting how much we are hearing from #Life this week, while Waters is MIA?
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
hilarious :flush:
Does anyone else think its interesting how much we are hearing from #Life this week, while Waters is MIA?
Well, KanSt43 has put his reputation on the line claiming that Sams is the starter. I'm going to believe him 100%, but I'm going to hate his guts if he's wrong.
Does anyone else think its interesting how much we are hearing from #Life this week, while Waters is MIA?
Well, KanSt43 has put his reputation on the line claiming that Sams is the starter. I'm going to believe him 100%, but I'm going to hate his guts if he's wrong.
Well FUGG me. I'm just telling you what I heard from my insider (yeah, I know "insider", shut the hell up guys). But seriously, if he doesn't start, I'll be suprised.
JK, don't shut up guys, we're all family.
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
Waters was recruited by PSU, did he ever visit?Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
hilarious :flush:
That's no Sandusky Bear Hugs, amirite?
Apparently Sams is starting Saturday. Take that for what it's worth.
waters will start
source: A+
waters will start
source: A+
Well, you were already proven to be way wrong when you told us all that Waters is way better than Sams, so I'm going to believe KanSt43 right now.
Waters lost to a pud FCS team. He might be the worst KSU starter since Jeff Schwinn.waters will start
source: A+
Well, you were already proven to be way wrong when you told us all that Waters is way better than Sams, so I'm going to believe KanSt43 right now.
waters had more than 10 times as many yards and 2 times as many touchdowns than sams on friday. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
waters will start
source: A+
Tally up another "known tuck GoodForAnother pretends to have inside information" post.
waters will start
source: A+
Tally up another "known tuck GoodForAnother pretends to have inside information" post.
waters will start
source: A+
Tally up another "known tuck GoodForAnother pretends to have inside information" post.
Yeah. He's just hoping KanSt43 is wrong so he can look smart. I'm hoping GoodForAnother is wrong because I really don't want to be 0-2 with both losses to crappy teams.
Maybe they are both starting? could we veer a bunch w both of them in?
Maybe they are both starting? could we veer a bunch w both of them in?
I don't see that being very effective. Waters just doesn't run well enough.
Maybe they are both starting? could we veer a bunch w both of them in?
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
What if we go 3 and out?
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
What if we go 3 and out?
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
What if we go 3 and out?
we put sams in and run qb draw on 4th and 10 because he's guaranteed to get it
LOL guyz. My source told me that Sams will start and at the very least play the same amount of snaps as Waters. That came directly from his mouth (pause). I trust this guy, but who knows really.
We will burn 2 time outs trying to determine which QB will play, once that's settled, we'll burn the 3rd before the first play is run trying to figure out which play will be run. Once the dust settles there, we'll check into a sack.this is the most likely scenario.
Source AAA+++
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
What if we go 3 and out?
we put sams in and run qb draw on 4th and 10 because he's guaranteed to get it
Well, that seems pretty stupid. I would like to think that Bill wouldn't do that, but then again he did try to pick up a 4th and 3 by running Waters last Friday, and your suggestion makes a whole lot more sense than that, so who knows?
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
What if we go 3 and out?
we put sams in and run qb draw on 4th and 10 because he's guaranteed to get it
Well, that seems pretty stupid. I would like to think that Bill wouldn't do that, but then again he did try to pick up a 4th and 3 by running Waters last Friday, and your suggestion makes a whole lot more sense than that, so who knows?
well it looks like we agree bill was a dumbass last week and lost us the game :thumbs:
maybe one day we can be friends :thumbs:
waters will start
source: A+
Well, you were already proven to be way wrong when you told us all that Waters is way better than Sams, so I'm going to believe KanSt43 right now.
Waters starts. Sams comes in after the first 1st down.
What if we go 3 and out?
we put sams in and run qb draw on 4th and 10 because he's guaranteed to get it
Well, that seems pretty stupid. I would like to think that Bill wouldn't do that, but then again he did try to pick up a 4th and 3 by running Waters last Friday, and your suggestion makes a whole lot more sense than that, so who knows?
well it looks like we agree bill was a dumbass last week and lost us the game :thumbs:
maybe one day we can be friends :thumbs:
I thought we already were friends. :dunno:
waters will start
source: A+
Well, you were already proven to be way wrong when you told us all that Waters is way better than Sams, so I'm going to believe KanSt43 right now.
dont even get me started about the booze post
waters will start
source: A+
Well, you were already proven to be way wrong when you told us all that Waters is way better than Sams, so I'm going to believe KanSt43 right now.
dont even get me started about the booze post
Sent by currie to tear us apart/break us?
We will burn 2 time outs trying to determine which QB will play, once that's settled, we'll burn the 3rd before the first play is run trying to figure out which play will be run. Once the dust settles there, we'll check into a sack.Don't forget the crowd shouting out the time left on the dwindling play clock. Gotta yell it out or else we might get delay of game.
Source AAA+++
I really like to think the plan was to ease Sams in and have him take over by conference season. The injury slowed him and now Snyder is speeding back up the time table after the loss.
Sams approached Snyder about switching positions as a freshman, and was shot down immediately.
QuoteSams approached Snyder about switching positions as a freshman, and was shot down immediately.
From KC Star article: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/05/4459878/kansas-state-ponders-how-to-get.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/05/4459878/kansas-state-ponders-how-to-get.html)
I didn't know this.
All the edgy crowd will complain constantly on twitter
Source: A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
QuoteSams approached Snyder about switching positions as a freshman, and was shot down immediately.
From KC Star article: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/05/4459878/kansas-state-ponders-how-to-get.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/05/4459878/kansas-state-ponders-how-to-get.html)
I didn't know this.
what in the eff. :dunno:
All the edgy crowd will complain constantly on twitter
Source: A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Link?
Understanding now that Sams was Bill's choice to start last week but coaches decided on Waters. Just passing this on.
Understanding now that Sams was Bill's choice to start last week but coaches decided on Waters. Just passing this on.
LOL yeah, okay.
Understanding now that Sams was Bill's choice to start last week but coaches decided on Waters. Just passing this on.
Understanding now that Sams was Bill's choice to start last week but coaches decided on Waters. Just passing this on.
Understanding now that Sams was Bill's choice to start last week but coaches decided on Waters. Just passing this on.yes because if there's one thing we know about bill it's that he likes to leave important decisions up to other people. also he always lets assistants boss him around.
Waters definitely fits what Dimel likes to do
his time in Houston was not exactly successfulWaters definitely fits what Dimel likes to do
Does Dimel like losing or something?
Wouldn't LOL at Houcat, out of respect for his youtube work if nothing else. There have been rumblings that Bill has been loosening the grip a bit.
snyds: alright so we'll go with sams?Unless you work for the guberment, wire taping is illegal.
coaches: naw we think waters
snyds: oh, k
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Yeah, he is a douche in the class.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Yeah, he is a douche in the class.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Yeah, he is a douche in the class.
I guarantee you our guy Daniel's fantasy team name would be something absolutely adorable and/or EMAW.
I bet Daniel's team name has "snuggle" "snuggles" "snuggly" or "snuggled" in it.
It's weird when white people say "gubment." Seems kinda :opcat:THAT IS WHY I SAID "GUBERMENT"!! :curse:
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Yeah, he is a douche in the class.
I guarantee you our guy Daniel's fantasy team name would be something absolutely adorable and/or EMAW.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Yeah, he is a douche in the class.
I guarantee you our guy Daniel's fantasy team name would be something absolutely adorable and/or EMAW.
Jake sits at the back of the class texting and not paying attention. Really a horrible student.
I heard he holds his arm out and asks people if they have ever touch a million dollars.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
Yeah, he is a douche in the class.
I guarantee you our guy Daniel's fantasy team name would be something absolutely adorable and/or EMAW.
Jake sits at the back of the class texting and not paying attention. Really a horrible student.
probably why he hasn't been able to pick up the play book for crap (according to people ITK (in the know))
Just talked to a source(B+) who confirmed that the Oline played shitty because they want sams to start. Said they hate waterz because he thinks he is gods gift to man.
Also confirmed that Sams will be starting.
Waters' fantasy football team name in Sports Econ is "Sandusky'd by Danny Woodhead" fwiw
it's hard to like this rough ridin' guy.
#runsfortouchdownsnoonecantstophim
I heard he holds his arm out and asks people if they have ever touch a million dollars.
Cannot confirm but have heard the same thing.
Jake was in class today, was on his iPad the entire time, ignored the teacher when he called on him and never once looked up during class the entire time. Zach Trujillo on the other hand answered questions took notes and was an overall great student and human being. Just wish our QB would take a few notes from ZT and start being a good person, you know?
Jake was in class today, was on his iPad the entire time, ignored the teacher when he called on him and never once looked up during class the entire time. Zach Trujillo on the other hand answered questions took notes and was an overall great student and human being. Just wish our QB would take a few notes from ZT and start being a good person, you know?
studying game film
Jake was in class today, was on his iPad the entire time, ignored the teacher when he called on him and never once looked up during class the entire time. Zach Trujillo on the other hand answered questions took notes and was an overall great student and human being. Just wish our QB would take a few notes from ZT and start being a good person, you know?
studying game film
Not really interested in tearing waters down, just interested in building up #life.
Jake was in class today, was on his iPad the entire time, ignored the teacher when he called on him and never once looked up during class the entire time. Zach Trujillo on the other hand answered questions took notes and was an overall great student and human being. Just wish our QB would take a few notes from ZT and start being a good person, you know?
studying game film
tinder, actually.
I am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
can you even tell us anything you learned today? do you even listen to the teacher?
can you even tell us anything you learned today? do you even listen to the teacher?
yup we talked about owners in professional sports and the merits of spending money on players and trying to win vs using a pro sports franchise as a personal investment (mainly in the MLB). Then we dove into the different revenue distribution laws in the major sports franchises and the impact of TV contracts on professional sports.
I am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Will anybody be surprised when #life plays like 2 snaps and we lose again? I won't be surprised.
I think our dline had more to do with the loss than Waters, but Sams needs the go sign soon.
Will anybody be surprised when #life plays like 2 snaps and we lose again? I won't be surprised.
agreed. more personally offended and motivated to fire back up the firebillsnyder.com website than surprised.
Will anybody be surprised when #life plays like 2 snaps and we lose again? I won't be surprised.
agreed. more personally offended and motivated to fire back up the firebillsnyder.com website than surprised.
"Don't let Snyder's words earlier get misconstrued, though. K-State does not have a quarterback controversy. Sams might be taking snaps with the starting unit in practice every so often, but let it be known that Waters always starts and ends the day with the No. 1 spot. Those are the facts of life. It's just time for Snyder to take a true weapon out of his back pocket for more than two snaps a game."
:frown:
Oh, THE NERVE OF THIS GUYWill anybody be surprised when #life plays like 2 snaps and we lose again? I won't be surprised.
agreed. more personally offended and motivated to fire back up the firebillsnyder.com website than surprised.
"Don't let Snyder's words earlier get misconstrued, though. K-State does not have a quarterback controversy. Sams might be taking snaps with the starting unit in practice every so often, but let it be known that Waters always starts and ends the day with the No. 1 spot. Those are the facts of life. It's just time for Snyder to take a true weapon out of his back pocket for more than two snaps a game."
:frown:
Anyone want to chip in :th_twocents: ?
Well, I don't even know who B. Regan is.
Will anybody be surprised when #life plays like 2 snaps and we lose again? I won't be surprised.Maybe run a couple plays with Sams split out and Hubert taking the snap :dunno:
Doesn't match up with kcstar report saying Sam's asked to switch positions.And Sams also said it himself on 610.
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waters + more snaps for sams = happy football touchdown times!:Woot:
waters + more snaps for sams = happy football touchdown times!
waters + more snaps for sams = happy football touchdown times!
I think everyone agrees.
all snaps for sams - waters = even more happy football touchdown times!, though.
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
lol
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
lol
who the eff is b. regan?
Are you guys talking about Bart Raygun? He is an irl oscar fan, fyi.
I am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Daniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
lol
who the eff is b. regan?
He is lebanese and from the wichita area, felix rex has the deets I'm sure.
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
lol
who the eff is b. regan?
He is lebanese and from the wichita area, felix rex has the deets I'm sure.
No. Denied. He is a Kurd and once got kicked out of Millennium Fitness for creeping out by the weird thigh flex machine and also reportedly doesn't use enough lemon in his tabbouleh. Not welcomed at the elite Lebanese Hyatt conventions (doesn't even own one business :lol: )
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
I am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
No. Denied. He is a Kurd and once got kicked out of Millennium Fitness for creeping out by the weird thigh flex machine and also reportedly doesn't use enough lemon in his tabbouleh. Not welcomed at the elite Lebanese Hyatt conventions (doesn't even own one business :lol: )
On his Thursday show Snyder said something like "When Sams scores 50 percent of the time he touches the ball he should be playing more" . It seemed to me that there was a bit of finger pointing in his voiceI am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
On his Thursday show Snyder said something like "When Sams scores 50 percent of the time he touches the ball he should be playing more" . It seemed to me that there was a bit of finger pointing in his voiceI am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
Why don't you listen to the recording you made of his show and figure this out for us TIAOn his Thursday show Snyder said something like "When Sams scores 50 percent of the time he touches the ball he should be playing more" . It seemed to me that there was a bit of finger pointing in his voiceI am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
is he pointing it at himself? because the head coach decides who plays.
B. Regan wrote it. He also wrote this:
"But unfortunately for Sams, in looking at the depth chart, he is committed to being a quarterback in which he's already lost the starting job and his snaps will be limited because Waters is an exceptional signal caller with an extraordinary track record and solid start to the season."
There's no way that is an actual sentence.
Why don't you listen to the recording you made of his show and figure this out for us TIAOn his Thursday show Snyder said something like "When Sams scores 50 percent of the time he touches the ball he should be playing more" . It seemed to me that there was a bit of finger pointing in his voiceI am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
is he pointing it at himself? because the head coach decides who plays.
So, we have Snyder throwing a headset in disgust and declaring that it was because they didn't play him sooner, letting Sams talk to a half dozen media outlets, and tells us on his coaches show that Sams should play more because he scores on half his plays.
Don't rough ridin' tell me that Waters was Bill's decision. He is TRYING (and failing) at grooming one or more people to take over, and he is rough ridin' enraged.
Maybe because your dial-up connection was broke so you couldn't get on gEWhy don't you listen to the recording you made of his show and figure this out for us TIAOn his Thursday show Snyder said something like "When Sams scores 50 percent of the time he touches the ball he should be playing more" . It seemed to me that there was a bit of finger pointing in his voiceI am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
is he pointing it at himself? because the head coach decides who plays.
why in the hell would I watch a LHC Bill Snyder show? TIA
:facepalm: @ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.
stick to basketball.
:facepalm: @ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.
stick to basketball.
yeah, ultimately they were LHC Bill Snyder's fault
:facepalm: @ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.
stick to basketball.
:facepalm: @ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.
stick to basketball.
The offensive clown show was partly Waters' fault, as evidence of the two idiotic interceptions and the crap conversion percentage on third down.
Pete, if the statue could talk what would he say?
Why does it matter what Bill thinks of Sams? If he chose to delegate responsibility, it's still his fault.
If Bill was so pissed that Sams scored on his first touch, why didn't Bill take over and keep #life in for the rest of the game? That is what I don't understand.
I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.
I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.
Who will we blame if Sams doesn't work well? Waters?
Another question I was just thinking about is if the statue could recruit, would it? Or would he just be happy being a statue?
I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.
Who will we blame if Sams doesn't work well? Waters?
I'd still like to give Sean a shot after Bill is done. So, this would be good news for me?No, this is horrible news for you. It means you are a dumbass.
Pete has nailed it again imo.
I think Dimel doesn't like/trust/believe in Sams and that is why he recruited the hell out of Waters. Snyder has delegated much of the decision making to Dimel knowing that Dimel as HC is the best way to guarantee Sean's continued eployment as an Associate Head Coach at a BCS school.
I am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.
Yep.
I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...QuoteDaniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?
"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.
THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????
Never.
He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.
IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.
THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
Kevin Lockett is absolutely demanding Daniel start and play the entire game right now on Powercat Gameday. He was hoping it would be Daniel last week before the game as well. I doubt he has any type of inside information from practice tho.
Kevin Lockett is absolutely demanding Daniel start and play the entire game right now on Powercat Gameday. He was hoping it would be Daniel last week before the game as well. I doubt he has any type of inside information from practice tho.
Yep. Lockett is basically being a complete stud on the radio right now in every way.
it's great to finally have a pg that can dunk.
More INTs than TDs? I'm probably wrong tho.2 and 2. Close
0 TDs 2 INTs against a sunbelt team. That is the definition of stud.
Waters single handedly derailed 2 drives with 3 horrible passes. Sams sparks the offense, proves he can pass. Up until then, without defensive TD and Special Teams excellence(returning, at least) we lose the game due to Jake. Stop making excuses for him. I admit Torell's drop was horrible too, but he wasn't good at all in the second half and failed to score TDs at all besides a 1 yarder gimme set up by special teams, I like Jake, but I think Sams gets more opportunities until he is inevitably the starter.
Yeah, it's one play, but if Bill isn't so stubborn and gives him some opportunities, he would have proven it more. Pretty funny how people say he can't when he has before and we've seen very little of it.Waters single handedly derailed 2 drives with 3 horrible passes. Sams sparks the offense, proves he can pass. Up until then, without defensive TD and Special Teams excellence(returning, at least) we lose the game due to Jake. Stop making excuses for him. I admit Torell's drop was horrible too, but he wasn't good at all in the second half and failed to score TDs at all besides a 1 yarder gimme set up by special teams, I like Jake, but I think Sams gets more opportunities until he is inevitably the starter.
I love them both, but that crap is hilarious.
Yep, Sams sure can pass, what was he passing? 1-1 w/ a little dump to the TE.
Look, we have a Qb mess I say....Waters can pass but he can't run
Sams can run, but anyone who says he can pass like Waters is a dummy. What, Waters threw a couple more pics? One was miller's fault, he was taught to use his facemask instead of his hands. The other one was on Waters.
Folks, there is a reason Sams is not throwing the ball. Just cause he throws a nice spiral and can sling it doesn't matter if he can't hit the open WR's. (sounds like Roberson's So year)
This is beginning to shape up to Dunn/Roberson 2......although Waters is wwwaaayyyy better than Dunn.
Yep, Sams sure can pass, what was he passing? 1-1 w/ a little dump to the TE.
Look, we have a Qb mess I say....Waters can pass but he can't run
Sams can run, but anyone who says he can pass like Waters is a dummy. What, Waters threw a couple more pics? One was miller's fault, he was taught to use his facemask instead of his hands. The other one was on Waters.
Folks, there is a reason Sams is not throwing the ball. Just cause he throws a nice spiral and can sling it doesn't matter if he can't hit the open WR's. (sounds like Roberson's So year)
This is beginning to shape up to Dunn/Roberson 2......although Waters is wwwaaayyyy better than Dunn.
I hope you're happy GoodForAnother you rough ridin' idiot.
I hope you're happy GoodForAnother you rough ridin' idiot.
it blows my mind that people take me seriously when I talk about waters :lol:
wgaf who starts as long as we win
look at known dumbass GFA backpedal. I've seen it all now :lol:
Waters was born to be a back-up. He has it.
fanning is the new timhawk
Waters is unconfident and I'm not confident in him so maybe he's unconfident for good reason.
look at known dumbass GFA backpedal. I've seen it all now :lol:
I don't think you've actually seen it all
fwiw
AND WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE THESE JUNK AVATARS!
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
Waters is unconfident and I'm not confident in him so maybe he's unconfident for good reason.
Zero swagger
Landry Waters
Production (ie scoring touchdowns) matters.
I never thought gE'rs would be dumb enough to see the beauty in both QB's, but here we are.
I never thought gE'rs would be dumb enough to see the beauty in both QB's, but here we are.
Production (ie scoring touchdowns) matters.
I never thought gE'rs would be dumb enough to see the beauty in both QB's, but here we are.
I think Waters does some really nice things throwing, but not enough drives are finishing with touchdowns.
Here's the thing, Sams moves the ball AND scores. Opens up running game which keeps D off the field...Production (ie scoring touchdowns) matters.
Waters gets them in the red zone, Sams scores. Seems like it could be pretty effective.
Here's the thing, Sams moves the ball AND scores. Opens up running game which keeps D off the field...Production (ie scoring touchdowns) matters.
Waters gets them in the red zone, Sams scores. Seems like it could be pretty effective.
fire Sean snyder
Here's the thing, Sams moves the ball AND scores. Opens up running game which keeps D off the field...Production (ie scoring touchdowns) matters.
Waters gets them in the red zone, Sams scores. Seems like it could be pretty effective.
There might be some advantages to being able to throw the ball, too. Not sure.
Folks, there is a reason Sams is not throwing the ball. Just cause he throws a nice spiral and can sling it doesn't matter if he can't hit the open WR's. (sounds like Roberson's So year)red shirt freshman
fire Sean snyder
this thread is about quarterback
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.
:dunno:
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
Jake Waters tonight looked like a below average big 12 quarterback. Maybe average, but definitely not above average.
Jake Waters tonight looked like a below average big 12 quarterback. Maybe average, but definitely not above average.
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.
:dunno:
tremendous post
Jake Waters tonight looked like a below average big 12 quarterback. Maybe average, but definitely not above average.
this.
though I will say that bill & co need to pull their rough ridin' heads out of their ass when it comes to realizing what they have in waters. just throw the rough ridin' ball. like every down when he's in. maybe slip in a run once every 7 plays. AND do that even when we're up 34-10. Cause the offense sucks at running the ball when he's in. and he makes it suckier when he tries to run it.
Jake Waters tonight looked like a below average big 12 quarterback. Maybe average, but definitely not above average.
this.
though I will say that bill & co need to pull their rough ridin' heads out of their ass when it comes to realizing what they have in waters. just throw the rough ridin' ball. like every down when he's in. maybe slip in a run once every 7 plays. AND do that even when we're up 34-10. Cause the offense sucks at running the ball when he's in. and he makes it suckier when he tries to run it.
Option with Waters on 4th and 1.
Read option in the red zone with no time outs and less than 1 minute in the half.
I don't even....
Jake Waters tonight looked like a below average big 12 quarterback. Maybe average, but definitely not above average.
this.
though I will say that bill & co need to pull their rough ridin' heads out of their ass when it comes to realizing what they have in waters. just throw the rough ridin' ball. like every down when he's in. maybe slip in a run once every 7 plays. AND do that even when we're up 34-10. Cause the offense sucks at running the ball when he's in. and he makes it suckier when he tries to run it.
Option with Waters on 4th and 1.
Read option in the red zone with no time outs and less than 1 minute in the half.
I don't even....
it was pretty great when Sams was using the football to point out defenders for his blockers to pick up
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
The defense really didn't play that bad tonight. Waters handed Lafayette 10 points with his turnovers, and the special teams unit gave up another 7. Plus the defense scored 7.
waters should be the qb between the 30's. sams inside the 30's.
waters should be the qb between the 30's. sams inside the 30's.
the more I think about this idea the more I like it
Waters was born to be a back-up. He has it.:Chirp:
waters should be the qb between the 30's. sams inside the 30's.
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.goEMAW's gonna goEMAW
:dunno:
Waters is crazy accurate guys, he doesn't get rattled when pressure comes either. Nice pocket presence and can usually elude pressure.
The biggest problem here, and I'm only half-joking with this, is that Snyder doesn't like either of these two quarterbacks, because they both can score too quickly. We saw Waters last week flick his wrist for a couple of 50-yard touchdowns. We all know that Sams runs the ball in for 6 pretty much every time he touches it.this explains alot
So they score fast, and then Snyder looks over and realizes that it means his sieve defense has to go back out on the field. And that just makes his blood pressure go through the roof.
So to prevent this, he makes Waters run the Queso dink-and-dunk offense with an emphasis on terrible play calls. And he keeps Sams out of the game as much as he can short of inciting riots. Snyder only wants to gain 3.4 yards per play, but his options at quarterback make that pretty tough.
Last year on gE.com:
"Klein sucks at passing. Why is he passing? Put Sams in!"
Now on gE.com:
"Waters sucks at running. Why is he running? Put Sams in!"
It's like the same, but different!
The biggest problem here, and I'm only half-joking with this, is that Snyder doesn't like either of these two quarterbacks, because they both can score too quickly. We saw Waters last week flick his wrist for a couple of 50-yard touchdowns. We all know that Sams runs the ball in for 6 pretty much every time he touches it.this explains alot
So they score fast, and then Snyder looks over and realizes that it means his sieve defense has to go back out on the field. And that just makes his blood pressure go through the roof.
So to prevent this, he makes Waters run the Queso dink-and-dunk offense with an emphasis on terrible play calls. And he keeps Sams out of the game as much as he can short of inciting riots. Snyder only wants to gain 3.4 yards per play, but his options at quarterback make that pretty tough.
I mean, you can continue to make up whatever attributes you want to see in him but he's played 95% of the snaps on offense against a 1-AA team and an 0-2 Sunbelt (?) team and has a 1:2 TD:Int ratio and a 1-1 record.
I mean, you can continue to make up whatever attributes you want to see in him but he's played 95% of the snaps on offense against a 1-AA team and an 0-2 Sunbelt (?) team and has a 1:2 TD:Int ratio and a 1-1 record.
I think we're getting trolled
Last year on gE.com:
"Klein sucks at passing. Why is he passing? Put Sams in!"
Now on gE.com:
"Waters sucks at running. Why is he running? Put Sams in!"
It's like the same, but different!
I mean, you can continue to make up whatever attributes you want to see in him but he's played 95% of the snaps on offense against a 1-AA team and an 0-2 Sunbelt (?) team and has a 1:2 TD:Int ratio and a 1-1 record.
I think we're getting trolled
Or zero FBIQ.
Yep, Sams sure can pass, what was he passing? 1-1 w/ a little dump to the TE.
Look, we have a Qb mess I say....Waters can pass but he can't run
Sams can run, but anyone who says he can pass like Waters is a dummy. What, Waters threw a couple more pics? One was miller's fault, he was taught to use his facemask instead of his hands. The other one was on Waters.
Folks, there is a reason Sams is not throwing the ball. Just cause he throws a nice spiral and can sling it doesn't matter if he can't hit the open WR's. (sounds like Roberson's So year)
This is beginning to shape up to Dunn/Roberson 2......although Waters is wwwaaayyyy better than Dunn.
:facepalm:
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.
:dunno:
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
waters should be the qb between the 30's. sams inside the 30's.
the more I think about this idea the more I like it
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
How many sacks has he taken? Even with the shitty O-Line play in the first game. Two bad throws that resulted in picks, but he's completing 72% of his passes and has almost 600 yards through the air in the first two gamesWaters is crazy accurate guys, he doesn't get rattled when pressure comes either. Nice pocket presence and can usually elude pressure.
what in the eff
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
against really crappy competition
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
against really crappy competition
Sagarin rated NDSU 49th and ULL 76th after last weeks games. While not stellar, thats not "really crappy" either. Just a few above NDSU are Arkansas and Mizzou....would you categorize them as "really crappy" if you were being honest?
How many sacks has he taken? Even with the shitty O-Line play in the first game. Two bad throws that resulted in picks, but he's completing 72% of his passes and has almost 600 yards through the air in the first two gamesWaters is crazy accurate guys, he doesn't get rattled when pressure comes either. Nice pocket presence and can usually elude pressure.
what in the eff
I'm fairly positive the only reason Waters is starting is because he can consistently hit Thompson and Lockett. Sams is great and should be used but I'm not sure he would be able to get Lockett and TT the ball enough as the starter and they are two of our top three play makers.
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
we don't convert on 3rd and short, because Bill insists on running Waters in obvious rushing situations, and then does even stipuder things such the read option end around on 4th and 1.
Waters has thrown 2 picks, one yesterday was off the face of a receiver, hardly Water's fault, the other was a dub move tossing into triple coverage. Against NDSU he had 1 dumb pick, then another desperation pick where IIRC he appeared to be trying to throw it away at the end of the game to stop the clock.
I'd have to see a list of the plays, but in the red zone we often shrivel up and try to run, again, not Waters' strong suit. Waters is a decent QB when called upon to do the things he does well. It is on the coaching staff to use Waters AND Sams to the best of their abilities.
Waters threw 333 attempts at IWU, with only 3 picks. Give him some time, and I think he will settle in. I like the double-edged attack, but would like to see Sams used me like Belldozer in situational rushing in addition to leading some drives now and then.
Some of you dorks need to rewatch the Oklahoma State game from last year. Sams can throw just fine.
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
How many sacks has he taken? Even with the shitty O-Line play in the first game. Two bad throws that resulted in picks, but he's completing 72% of his passes and has almost 600 yards through the air in the first two gamesWaters is crazy accurate guys, he doesn't get rattled when pressure comes either. Nice pocket presence and can usually elude pressure.
what in the eff
_FAN, read this and tell me you don't see Will Spradling. You can't do it.
I mean, you can continue to make up whatever attributes you want to see in him but he's played 95% of the snaps on offense against a 1-AA team and an 0-2 Sunbelt (?) team and has a 1:2 TD:Int ratio and a 1-1 record.I'm certainly no waters apologist but the interception:td ratio talking point is pretty dumb at this point. one of his int's this week bounced right off of the receiver's chest and he had a great throw for a td that went right through his receiver's hands. also Sams is stealing some snaps inside the 30. you don't have to break down waters to build up Sams. waters seems to be a good (not great) big12 passing qb who has been limited by play calling that's been questionable at best. I want to see more Sams (would rather him start and get more than half the snaps) as much as the next guy but that doesn't mean we have to crap on waters. it's not his fault Snyder (or whichever dumbfuck was calling the game last week) tried to run him like klein.
Yeah, half of those turnovers weren't his fault because the rest of the team sucked and frank was playing him out of position.
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
it was one of his first runs in the first half. it was more of a pat than a tap.
On how he [OBz] used the two quarterback system…
“There was a plan in place, but like everything else, you have a plan and all of a sudden the plan goes awry and you veer off of it. That was reasonably close to what we wanted to do, but we did not do it as consistently as we initially thought we would.”
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get the coaching staff making Waters the football version of Sprads.
:dunno:
I mean, you can continue to make up whatever attributes you want to see in him but he's played 95% of the snaps on offense against a 1-AA team and an 0-2 Sunbelt (?) team and has a 1:2 TD:Int ratio and a 1-1 record.I'm certainly no waters apologist but the interception:td ratio talking point is pretty dumb at this point. one of his int's this week bounced right off of the receiver's chest and he had a great throw for a td that went right through his receiver's hands. also Sams is stealing some snaps inside the 30. you don't have to break down waters to build up Sams. waters seems to be a good (not great) big12 passing qb who has been limited by play calling that's been questionable at best. I want to see more Sams (would rather him start and get more than half the snaps) as much as the next guy but that doesn't mean we have to crap on waters. it's not his fault Snyder (or whichever dumbfuck was calling the game last week) tried to run him like klein.
Yeah, half of those turnovers weren't his fault because the rest of the team sucked and frank was playing him out of position.
I mean, you can continue to make up whatever attributes you want to see in him but he's played 95% of the snaps on offense against a 1-AA team and an 0-2 Sunbelt (?) team and has a 1:2 TD:Int ratio and a 1-1 record.I'm certainly no waters apologist but the interception:td ratio talking point is pretty dumb at this point. one of his int's this week bounced right off of the receiver's chest and he had a great throw for a td that went right through his receiver's hands. also Sams is stealing some snaps inside the 30. you don't have to break down waters to build up Sams. waters seems to be a good (not great) big12 passing qb who has been limited by play calling that's been questionable at best. I want to see more Sams (would rather him start and get more than half the snaps) as much as the next guy but that doesn't mean we have to crap on waters. it's not his fault Snyder (or whichever dumbfuck was calling the game last week) tried to run him like klein.
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.goEMAW's gonna goEMAW
:dunno:
Some of you dorks need to rewatch the Oklahoma State game from last year. Sams can throw just fine.
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
One of those turnovers was on a hail mary and the other was Miller being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and not being able to catch a simple screen pass. His other two INT's were bad though.
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
against really crappy competition
Sagarin rated NDSU 49th and ULL 76th after last weeks games. While not stellar, thats not "really crappy" either. Just a few above NDSU are Arkansas and Mizzou....would you categorize them as "really crappy" if you were being honest?
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
One of those turnovers was on a hail mary and the other was Miller being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and not being able to catch a simple screen pass. His other two INT's were bad though.
It wasn't a hail mary bad person. I'm so sick of people dismissing that 2nd int last week. He had 30 seconds to move 50 yards and threw a pick on the first damn play, completely inexcusable
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
we don't convert on 3rd and short, because Bill insists on running Waters in obvious rushing situations, and then does even stipuder things such the read option end around on 4th and 1.
Waters has thrown 2 picks, one yesterday was off the face of a receiver, hardly Water's fault, the other was a dub move tossing into triple coverage. Against NDSU he had 1 dumb pick, then another desperation pick where IIRC he appeared to be trying to throw it away at the end of the game to stop the clock.
I'd have to see a list of the plays, but in the red zone we often shrivel up and try to run, again, not Waters' strong suit. Waters is a decent QB when called upon to do the things he does well. It is on the coaching staff to use Waters AND Sams to the best of their abilities.
Waters threw 333 attempts at IWU, with only 3 picks. Give him some time, and I think he will settle in. I like the double-edged attack, but would like to see Sams used me like Belldozer in situational rushing in addition to leading some drives now and then.
Red zone and 3rd and short are where running the ball is key. If Waters wants to be in the game, he needs to be more effective than he is. I don't care who's fault it is (O-Line, Waters, play call), the fact is that Sams gets it done and Waters can't. What is your solution on 3rd and 1 with Waters? Hubert is ineffective with Waters in. Do you want to pass it a lot on 3rd and short?
I also don't care whose fault the interceptions are. They are the result of running a pass centered offense and they are happening. Sams wouldn't be putting the ball at risk as much if he were in the game.
Also, Sagarin rankings in week 2 are a joke
I like the double-edged attack, but would like to see Sams used more like Belldozer in situational rushing in addition to leading some drives now and then.
well that wasn't very nice :frown:I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.goEMAW's gonna goEMAW
:dunno:
You are a really good poster, but a rough ridin' moron when pull the rams is morally and intellectually superior to everyone else bullshit. Blow it out of your ass.
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
One of those turnovers was on a hail mary and the other was Miller being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and not being able to catch a simple screen pass. His other two INT's were bad though.
It wasn't a hail mary bad person. I'm so sick of people dismissing that 2nd int last week. He had 30 seconds to move 50 yards and threw a pick on the first damn play, completely inexcusable
It was a designed roll out and pretty much everyone ran fly routes. It was an awful play call.
Some of you dorks need to rewatch the Oklahoma State game from last year. Sams can throw just fine.
This is such a dumb post. He threw 6 rough ridin' passes and all were simple, short passes. How can you conclude from a half of football and 6 total passes that he can throw?
Plus, there's a reason Waters came in on 3 and 14 at the end of the game. It's because Sams can't throw.
:facepalm:
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
Yeah, half of those turnovers weren't his fault because the rest of the team sucked and frank was playing him out of position.
I think I am inferring that people are implying that Sams can't throw the ball, yet I linked all 8 of his passes last year, and this is just simply not true. He was a freshman and threw into double coverage a couple times, but the rest were good throws, and even the announcers stated so. Also, he threw ok in the spring game. Then I think people are implying that he lacks ball security. How many turnovers has he accounted for in two seasons? Zero. He averages nearly 8 yards a run over two years and 40+ rushes.
Waters isn't terrible, but he is averaging 2 turnovers a game, cannot convert on 3rd and short, and struggles in the red zone. All of those things are big issues.
One of those turnovers was on a hail mary and the other was Miller being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and not being able to catch a simple screen pass. His other two INT's were bad though.
It wasn't a hail mary bad person. I'm so sick of people dismissing that 2nd int last week. He had 30 seconds to move 50 yards and threw a pick on the first damn play, completely inexcusable
It was a designed roll out and pretty much everyone ran fly routes. It was an awful play call.
Wait, the bad play call caused the pic that didn't count because it was a hail mary on our own 25 with 29 seconds left? :thumbsup:
Some of you dorks need to rewatch the Oklahoma State game from last year. Sams can throw just fine.
This is such a dumb post. He threw 6 rough ridin' passes and all were simple, short passes. How can you conclude from a half of football and 6 total passes that he can throw?
Plus, there's a reason Waters came in on 3 and 14 at the end of the game. It's because Sams can't throw.
:facepalm:
Are we watching the same crap, that is all Waters is doing?
Yeah, half of those turnovers weren't his fault because the rest of the team sucked and frank was playing him out of position.
It's so hard to argue with steve dave. Waters is not a Spradling equivalent, but how can anyone truly hold that stance after a post like this.
I don't think waters sucks at all. He's one of the more effective players on our team but I feel he is the second most effective player at his position.
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
pretty sure one of his 2nd half runs. sams ran out of bounds, almost ran into a cheerleader but stopped just in time right in front of the cheerleader, patted him on the shoulder. cheerleader grinned and sams ran off.
Great points. Except Sams has rushed in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters with great success. Also, how will the defenses that Sams threw so "cut and dry" against last year be any different this year when they pack it in to stuff the run threat? I guess if Sams isn't built to take punishment we should probably leave our most dynamic player on the bench so he doesn't get hurt.I think I am inferring that people are implying that Sams can't throw the ball, yet I linked all 8 of his passes last year, and this is just simply not true. He was a freshman and threw into double coverage a couple times, but the rest were good throws, and even the announcers stated so. Also, he threw ok in the spring game. Then I think people are implying that he lacks ball security. How many turnovers has he accounted for in two seasons? Zero. He averages nearly 8 yards a run over two years and 40+ rushes.
Ball security is pretty easy when rushing against tired/zapped defenses. Last year most teams line up against us in the 4-3-4 and sometimes 4-4-3 to stop Klein. Throwing against that is pretty cut and dry. Klein was a machine and Sams is not built to take half as many carries.
Waters is throwing 30-40 passes a game into 4-2-5 coverage. At some points ULL was running a 4-1-6 with a rover. That's SIX DB's covering THREE receivers. I swear some of you smoke crack.
Both interceptions were passes to Torrell Miller. He also lost a down and backed us up with his step out of bounds stunt. Bench Toe.
I'm not really arguing that he is a Spradling equivalent fwiw. I'm mostly arguing that the apologists of him are hilariously similar to the apologists of Spradling.
I think I am inferring that people are implying that Sams can't throw the ball, yet I linked all 8 of his passes last year, and this is just simply not true. He was a freshman and threw into double coverage a couple times, but the rest were good throws, and even the announcers stated so. Also, he threw ok in the spring game. Then I think people are implying that he lacks ball security. How many turnovers has he accounted for in two seasons? Zero. He averages nearly 8 yards a run over two years and 40+ rushes.
Ball security is pretty easy when rushing against tired/zapped defenses. Last year most teams line up against us in the 4-3-4 and sometimes 4-4-3 to stop Klein. Throwing against that is pretty cut and dry. Klein was a machine and Sams is not built to take half as many carries.
Waters is throwing 30-40 passes a game into 4-2-5 coverage. At some points ULL was running a 4-1-6 with a rover. That's SIX DB's covering THREE receivers. I swear some of you smoke crack.
Both interceptions were passes to Torrell Miller. He also lost a down and backed us up with his step out of bounds stunt. Bench Toe.
MIR, don't even get me started on how stupid throwing the ball 40 times is with a TERRIBLE defense. The thing is, I actually really like Waters. I just like what Sams can bring to the entire team more, and wish he'd get a legit chance to run the offense for at least a half. No doubt the coaching staff knows much more about football than I do. However, I see Sams score touchdowns and not turn the ball over. The same can't be said for Waters. What do I know, I just smoke crack all day.I think I am inferring that people are implying that Sams can't throw the ball, yet I linked all 8 of his passes last year, and this is just simply not true. He was a freshman and threw into double coverage a couple times, but the rest were good throws, and even the announcers stated so. Also, he threw ok in the spring game. Then I think people are implying that he lacks ball security. How many turnovers has he accounted for in two seasons? Zero. He averages nearly 8 yards a run over two years and 40+ rushes.
Ball security is pretty easy when rushing against tired/zapped defenses. Last year most teams line up against us in the 4-3-4 and sometimes 4-4-3 to stop Klein. Throwing against that is pretty cut and dry. Klein was a machine and Sams is not built to take half as many carries.
Waters is throwing 30-40 passes a game into 4-2-5 coverage. At some points ULL was running a 4-1-6 with a rover. That's SIX DB's covering THREE receivers. I swear some of you smoke crack.
Both interceptions were passes to Torrell Miller. He also lost a down and backed us up with his step out of bounds stunt. Bench Toe.
How do you not realize your argument about the defenses is exactly why team #life wants more #life? He is dynamic a defense can't just drop 6 DBs and call it good. Having a dynamic offense is fun for us and ridiculous for a defense to plan for. Everything is looser offensively with a true dual threat qb, its how kstate has won football games the last 16 seasons. It seems like you are using the fact that the two, average at best, defenses keyed on the pass against Waters as a defense of more Waters. This is obviously stupid.
Also stop blaming Toe for both of those INTs. One was clearly his fault, the other wasn't. Toe also didn't cause us to be backed up and lose a down. There is no yardage penalty for illegal touching, just loss of down. Of course none of that matters because Toe didn't even catch the ball because Jake skipped the pass to him.
QuoteOn how he [OBz] used the two quarterback system…
“There was a plan in place, but like everything else, you have a plan and all of a sudden the plan goes awry and you veer off of it. That was reasonably close to what we wanted to do, but we did not do it as consistently as we initially thought we would.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/090813aaa.html
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Yeah, half of those turnovers weren't his fault because the rest of the team sucked and frank was playing him out of position.
It's so hard to argue with steve dave. Waters is not a Spradling equivalent, but how can anyone truly hold that stance after a post like this.
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
pretty sure one of his 2nd half runs. sams ran out of bounds, almost ran into a cheerleader but stopped just in time right in front of the cheerleader, patted him on the shoulder. cheerleader grinned and sams ran off.
Found it. 9:50 left in the game.
I like how much better Hubes is when Sams is in the game.
sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
pretty sure one of his 2nd half runs. sams ran out of bounds, almost ran into a cheerleader but stopped just in time right in front of the cheerleader, patted him on the shoulder. cheerleader grinned and sams ran off.
Found it. 9:50 left in the game.
sounds right. is there a youtube replay yet? I forgot to dvr :frown:
I'm not really arguing that he is a Spradling equivalent fwiw. I'm mostly arguing that the apologists of him are hilariously similar to the apologists of Spradling.
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Waters is at a disadvantage to Sams... Reply
This team and offense is built around a run first QB. When Waters is in the game, his strength of throwing the ball around the field is new to this squad. Additionally, he is being asked to run the ball as well.
Sams comes in and his great ability already plays to the team's strength and experience. And he is not asked to throw hardly at all.
Jake is a great QB, but he's at a disadvantage, which makes his play thus far impressive.
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sams is def more lovable. tapping that male cheerleader on the shoulder :love:
When was this?
pretty sure one of his 2nd half runs. sams ran out of bounds, almost ran into a cheerleader but stopped just in time right in front of the cheerleader, patted him on the shoulder. cheerleader grinned and sams ran off.
Found it. 9:50 left in the game.
sounds right. is there a youtube replay yet? I forgot to dvr :frown:
I can try putting my viakoffman quality one up later.
I'm not really arguing that he is a Spradling equivalent fwiw. I'm mostly arguing that the apologists of him are hilariously similar to the apologists of Spradling.Quoteksusouthpaw
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This team and offense is built around a run first QB. When Waters is in the game, his strength of throwing the ball around the field is new to this squad. Additionally, he is being asked to run the ball as well.
Sams comes in and his great ability already plays to the team's strength and experience. And he is not asked to throw hardly at all.
Jake is a great QB, but he's at a disadvantage, which makes his play thus far impressive.
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On the other hand, Sprads' uncle, cjh, is campaining for Sams so I don't know what to think.
He's a pick throwing machine.To be fair...one pick Saturday was on the receiver....
TeamHubert certainly does.Hubert would benefit from Sams starting....Everyone was focused on Klein running the ball last year so when Hubert got it, holes were open.....Synder is trying to scheme himself
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
The hell it can't. This is the last thing I expect a kstate fan to say. Were you in a coma the previous 2 seasons?
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
The hell it can't. This is the last thing I expect a kstate fan to say. Were you in a coma the previous 2 seasons?
No, the offense can't make the defense less shitty. It can help negate the impact of their shittiness, but it can't change our talent level.
I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
The hell it can't. This is the last thing I expect a kstate fan to say. Were you in a coma the previous 2 seasons?
No, the offense can't make the defense less shitty. It can help negate the impact of their shittiness, but it can't change our talent level.
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I thought Waters and Sams played pretty well tonight, maybe I'm some kind of dumbass :dunno: The offense can't make our defense suck less, guys.
The hell it can't. This is the last thing I expect a kstate fan to say. Were you in a coma the previous 2 seasons?
No, the offense can't make the defense less shitty. It can help negate the impact of their shittiness, but it can't change our talent level.
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Um, okay.
They're both going to play.
Just shut the effing thread down now because that's how it's going to be.
I really think Sams is going to be the man after this next week.
I really think Sams is going to be the man after this next week.
I think this whole scheme is to get Sams to be grateful and humble as he starts when we play UT. It's all about mind control at K-State.I really think Sams is going to be the man after this next week.
I really agree. I wrote a couple weeks ago that if Sams plays as well this year as he did in limited opportunities last year that he would overtake Waters.
Well, he has and he will.
I really think Sams is going to be the man after this next week.I was feeling that in the 4th qrt when snyder was like "eff if it wasn't for special teams and a d score we're a score down and jake and his coordinators are pissing me off" and put in Sams to ICE it.
sounds right. is there a youtube replay yet? I forgot to dvr :frown:
I can try putting my viakoffman quality one up later.
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sounds right. is there a youtube replay yet? I forgot to dvr :frown:
I can try putting my viakoffman quality one up later.
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Still uploading. Maybe 2 more hours?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws8xfy5JsRc
I do want to see something with both on the field and I think we will.
sounds right. is there a youtube replay yet? I forgot to dvr :frown:
I can try putting my viakoffman quality one up later.
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Still uploading. Maybe 2 more hours?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws8xfy5JsRc
thanks man
I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.
Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.
Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.
Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.True, I don't want something awful to happen to Waters like I do Sprads.
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I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.True, I don't want something awful to happen to Waters like I do Sprads.
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I get people wanting Sams to start. I don't get making Waters the football version of Sprads.True, I don't want something awful to happen to Waters like I do Sprads.
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I'm sick of this Waters crap. I mean its cute he can pass and he looks good in the uniformHave you seen Sams in uniform? :love: Waters is too Chase Daniel'esque. Pisses me off from time to time
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
yeah, but there's really nothing we can do about our D in the near term. it's not like we are sitting some key stud defensive player on the bench in favor of some lesser defensive player (that I know of anyway).
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Wait, wut? So they look good on paper, they just rough ridin' suck when it counts, like stopping key third downs, but that's not really their fault because we don't have a stud LB? What does that even mean? The D either sucks or it doesn't. Answer: it sucks.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
Yeah. The D gave up 10 points to Lafayette. The special teams gave up 7 and Waters gave up 10.
It's not on the defense, regardless. They played a nice game against a pretty good offense. If we could have limited turnovers offensively and controlled the clock better, the defense would have been even better.This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
Yeah. The D gave up 10 points to Lafayette. The special teams gave up 7 and Waters gave up 10.
Waters gave up 7. The first one was on Miller, man. That was just really bad receiving right there. It hit him in the face.
I haven't seen that here. that sounds like gpc. I generally discount anything they say, so they don't count.I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.
Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
Many retards have said Waters is CLEARLY the right choice because Snyder chose him.
I haven't seen that here. that sounds like gpc. I generally discount anything they say, so they don't count.I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.
Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
Many retards have said Waters is CLEARLY the right choice because Snyder chose him.
I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball but that it's really rough ridin' stupid to call options and draws when he's in the game. I'm not sure how you can completely discount play calling, but whatever.
I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball
So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing. Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos. Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.
Guys, when you sling the ball around a lot the INT's (both good ones and bad ones) are going to increase. The argument against the system is just as valid as the argument against Waters.
why does he have a copyright claim against you?So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing. Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos. Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.
He's not very receptive so far.
why does he have a copyright claim against you?So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing. Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos. Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.
He's not very receptive so far.
Great, I want to rewatch what happened on 3rd and 3 from the UL 10 right before the halfwhy does he have a copyright claim against you?So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing. Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos. Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.
He's not very receptive so far.
He did a movie review of Inception a long time ago, and then decided he didn't like the review. I thought it was great tho, so I put it back up on youtube for him. He still didn't like it.
But anyway, my continued efforts have led to a change of heart and he is retracting the claim! We may be able to watch a grainy copy of the "Ragin' Cajuns" came after all!
why does he have a copyright claim against you?So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing. Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos. Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.
He's not very receptive so far.
He did a movie review of Inception a long time ago, and then decided he didn't like the review. I thought it was great tho, so I put it back up on youtube for him. He still didn't like it.
But anyway, my continued efforts have led to a change of heart and he is retracting the claim! We may be able to watch a grainy copy of the "Ragin' Cajuns" came after all!
Water on 3rd Down on vs ULaLa*I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball
his TD:Int ratio is 1:2
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
Thats right, he completely botched that opportunity of having 1st and 10 at UL 17 - TEAM incompletion should be on Waters and I will edit my numbers accordingly.Water on 3rd Down on vs ULaLa*I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball
his TD:Int ratio is 1:2
3/6 passing for 37 yards and 1 interception - 2 first downs passing, 1 on a Waters run.
*these numbers are pending a review of the 3rd and 3 from the UL 10 right before the half once CattMatt has released his stranglehold on Trim's yt account - online pbp has that a TEAM in completion and I was/became to pak'd to remember what happened.
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This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks? Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU. Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme? OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks? Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU. Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme? OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?
It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.
This thread is so full of :flush:. Can't wait to see you guys back on the Waters train when we trail Baylor by 3 TD's.
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks? Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU. Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme? OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?
It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.
Maybe a little gun shy following his failed bomb attempt to Trujillo? :dunno:
is this a serious post?
Waters had the best yards per attempt in NJCAA at 10.5 yds last year. I find it hard to believe that he had more athletic/explosive receivers than he does this year.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
Yeah. The D gave up 10 points to Lafayette. The special teams gave up 7 and Waters gave up 10.
I think he had a receiver last year with amazing YACHave we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks? Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU. Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme? OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?
It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.
Maybe a little gun shy following his failed bomb attempt to Trujillo? :dunno:
Waters had the best yards per attempt in NJCAA at 10.5 yds last year. I find it hard to believe that he had more athletic/explosive receivers than he does this year.
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.
I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches. The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.
Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards. It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.
LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB. We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.
The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically. We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.
Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.
Yeah. The D gave up 10 points to Lafayette. The special teams gave up 7 and Waters gave up 10.
it wasn't a pick-6, the D still let them score.
I think he had a receiver last year with amazing YACHave we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks? Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU. Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme? OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?
It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.
Maybe a little gun shy following his failed bomb attempt to Trujillo? :dunno:
Waters had the best yards per attempt in NJCAA at 10.5 yds last year. I find it hard to believe that he had more athletic/explosive receivers than he does this year.
It could be a while. I've got a bunch of random content claim things on games from last year that I've got to get fixed up I guess. But CatMatt is on board!
:lol:This thread is so full of :flush:. Can't wait to see you guys back on the Waters train when we trail Baylor by 3 TD's.
Why? Are we going to need more turnovers or something?
is this a serious post?
Waters had the best yards per attempt in NJCAA at 10.5 yds last year. I find it hard to believe that he had more athletic/explosive receivers than he does this year.
Points scored are kind of a big deal. Last year, we gave up 24 or more 5 times (twice we gave up just 24). We’ve given up 24 or more in both games (sure, 7 of that from LaLa was special teams, but whatever). This is not a good defense. The DL gets pushed around a lot, the LB’s are remarkably slow both to the ball and in coverage, the secondary is going to get absolutely torched this year, Zims is either trying to compensate for the rest of the secondary being bad or has just regressed, and the only one who looks like he plays with any effort is Mueller. They are getting scapegoated just fine.
The only surprise or highlight out of the last game for the defense was that Tanner’s finally put in a zone blitz concept whereby the DL/DT dropped back into coverage.
Guys, let's all just agree that Waters is a good, quality QB. Sams is just better. And then we can end this thread and focus on our terrible Defense and the BSFS thread.
Guys, let's all just agree that Waters is a good, quality QB. Sams is just better. And then we can end this thread and focus on our terrible Defense and the BSFS thread.
I think Waters would be a good, quality QB for another team (if he cleans up the INTs). Sams may not be the best option for some team that demands their QB sit in the pocket and throw short passes all game. just different types of guys that could each be great for certain types of teams.
Also, the tucks saying Sams can't throw is really annoying. I can't begin to tell you guys how often I heard this on Saturday. The few samples we have to make a judgement call are in favor of him being a decent passer.
Black tho.
I still think Waters is average at best. Here or anywhere else.
Last year our defense had sustained offensive drives to rely on in order to catch some wind.
Yea it was hot on Saturday, but our offense was puttering in the 2nd half (outside of Sams) and our defense was running back onto the field after fizz plays. Waters is good and has a great arm, but the 3rd and longs are frustrating. Last year, we were rarely in 3rd and long situations. Usually it was 3rd and 2 or fizz and Klein could lean forward for an easy first down and fizz more plays. Every game we struggled in last year our defense was constantly on the field. Sams opens up the run game for Hubert, and has the tools to sustain drives that keeps our defense off the field.
Last year our defense had sustained offensive drives to rely on in order to catch some wind.
Yea it was hot on Saturday, but our offense was puttering in the 2nd half (outside of Sams) and our defense was running back onto the field after fizz plays. Waters is good and has a great arm, but the 3rd and longs are frustrating. Last year, we were rarely in 3rd and long situations. Usually it was 3rd and 2 or fizz and Klein could lean forward for an easy first down and fizz more plays. Every game we struggled in last year our defense was constantly on the field. Sams opens up the run game for Hubert, and has the tools to sustain drives that keeps our defense off the field.
The defense had some let downs late in the 3rd quarter and early in the 4th, no doubt.
But...
Opening KO return for score.
Defense holds (8 plays, 34 yards), KO return to the 2.
Offense 2 play drive. (34-fizz score)
ST gives up KO return.
Offense goes fizz plays before Water's TD.
LaLa scores on defense with 17 yards field. (34-17)
Offense goes fizz and out.
Defense gets pick fizz after the punt. (41-17).
Then the defense gives up an 80 yard drive. (41-24)
At this point TOP in the 3rd quarter was fizz minutes to a little over 2 for K-State.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
josh freeman tho
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
josh freeman tho
Yes, and I know I'm generalizing here, but many on Team Waters didn't like JFree and doesn't acknowledge him as a great KSU QB. I bet if you polled team waters they would take jake over josh right now if given the chance.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
josh freeman tho
Yes, and I know I'm generalizing here, but many on Team Waters didn't like JFree and doesn't acknowledge him as a great KSU QB. I bet if you polled team waters they would take jake over josh right now if given the chance.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
josh freeman tho
Yes, and I know I'm generalizing here, but many on Team Waters didn't like JFree and doesn't acknowledge him as a great KSU QB. I bet if you polled team waters they would take jake over josh right now if given the chance.
i don't acknowledge freemaw as a great KSU QB because he didn't win a lot of games. every ksu fan would take freemaw over waters two games into their respective careers because he came in with more hype. you are lost today, friend.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a 9.3 yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
He should be a 3rd and long QB, otherwise Sams should take ever snap.His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
I think that has a lot to do with it.
His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
josh freeman tho
Yes, and I know I'm generalizing here, but many on Team Waters didn't like JFree and doesn't acknowledge him as a great KSU QB. I bet if you polled team waters they would take jake over josh right now if given the chance.
i don't acknowledge freemaw as a great KSU QB because he didn't win a lot of games. every ksu fan would take freemaw over waters two games into their respective careers because he came in with more hype. you are lost today, friend.
or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a 9.3 yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a fizz.fizz yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a 9.3 yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
Does it matter how good Waters is or Waters isn't. Sams has been unstoppable and has played with a extremely limited playbook. What happens when we open it up. :dunno:or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a fizz.fizz yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
he has thrown 2 TDs and 4 INTs in a loss to a D2 school and a 0-2 Sunbelt school. he grinds our running game to a halt. he can't convert 3rd downs. you can tout all the fluff stats you want but they don't mean crap if he can't keep the ball or score points.
Does it matter how good Waters is or Waters isn't. Sams has been unstoppable and has played with a extremely limited playbook. What happens when we open it up. :dunno:or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a fizz.fizz yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
he has thrown 2 TDs and 4 INTs in a loss to a D2 school and a 0-2 Sunbelt school. he grinds our running game to a halt. he can't convert 3rd downs. you can tout all the fluff stats you want but they don't mean crap if he can't keep the ball or score points.
Josh Freeman was fantastic.Yup! He also excelled at throwing INT's too. Just like Jake!!! :D http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html
Josh Freeman was fantastic.Yup! He also excelled at throwing INT's too. Just like Jake!!! :D http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html
so he doesn't get credit for recievers' yac but he has to take the entire td/int stat line even though he would be 3/3 if not for 2 clear receiver derps? jesus christ, MIR.or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a 9.3 yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
You excluded three very important QB stats though. Also why, in the case of the offense that Waters is being asked to run,are people making a big deal about yds/attempt? Seemingly 95% of his attempts are within 5 yards of the LOS with receivers racking up YAC.
Now I really can't see any argument in favor of Waters over Sams based on what each has shown on the field.
why is it so rough ridin' hard to admit that the evidence so far is that he's a pretty good pocket passing qb that has a good release, is accurate and can scramble effectively when the pocket breaks down...AND...Sams is still the better qb for our system?
so he doesn't get credit for recievers' yac but he has to take the entire td/int stat line even though he would be 3/3 if not for 2 clear receiver derps? jesus christ, MIR.or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a 9.3 yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
You excluded three very important QB stats though. Also why, in the case of the offense that Waters is being asked to run,are people making a big deal about yds/attempt? Seemingly 95% of his attempts are within 5 yards of the LOS with receivers racking up YAC.
why is it so rough ridin' hard to admit that the evidence so far is that he's a pretty good pocket passing qb that has a good release, is accurate and can scramble effectively when the pocket breaks down...AND...Sams is still the better qb for our system?
Josh Freeman was fantastic.Yup! He also excelled at throwing INT's too. Just like Jake!!! :D http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html
If Jake can finish out the season with a 3:1 TD:INT to match Josh I will praise the crap out of him
Josh Freeman was fantastic.Yup! He also excelled at throwing INT's too. Just like Jake!!! :D http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html
If Jake can finish out the season with a 3:1 TD:INT to match Josh I will praise the crap out of him
Josh also had 400 rushing yards his junior year. Not a chance Jake comes within 500 yards of that.
In chat, we were talking about how Waters is like a girl that checks all the boxes, but in the end, you just know she's meant for some one else.
Freeman has the big arm that makes teams defend the whole field - Waters may be more accurate but he has yet to make a throw that makes me think he has above average Big 12 arm strength.Josh Freeman was fantastic.Yup! He also excelled at throwing INT's too. Just like Jake!!! :D http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html
If Jake can finish out the season with a fizz:1 TD:INT to match Josh I will praise the crap out of him
Josh also had 400 rushing yards his junior year. Not a chance Jake comes within 500 yards of that.
Josh haters also have him no credit for his feet, again likely the same ones saying Jake can run.
We would trade him straight up for a LB that can runIn chat, we were talking about how Waters is like a girl that checks all the boxes, but in the end, you just know she's meant for some one else.
Maybe you should put him in touch with Beckman. He might like that zany Cubit offense. I mean who won't they throw it to!? Right? Yeah.
Freeman has the big arm that makes teams defend the whole field - Waters may be more accurate but he has yet to make a throw that makes me think he has above average Big 12 arm strength.Josh Freeman was fantastic.Yup! He also excelled at throwing INT's too. Just like Jake!!! :D http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-freeman-1.html
If Jake can finish out the season with a fizz:1 TD:INT to match Josh I will praise the crap out of him
Josh also had 400 rushing yards his junior year. Not a chance Jake comes within 500 yards of that.
Josh haters also have him no credit for his feet, again likely the same ones saying Jake can run.
This team will not run the football in conference play with him at QB - we are currently averaging 3.2 ypc (2.2 if you take out Sams carries :sdeek:), lowest since 2005 :frown:
The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
You're right. I stand corrected.The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
We played Freeman in the non-con against crappy teams that year. He didn't start, but the RS was burned early
Is DSams just a change of pace quarterback or can he put together long drives and effectively run an offense. who rough ridin' knows.. but I'd like to see it some point in the season
I'm not even necessarily advocating that we start Sams. I just think he needs a more defined role in the gameplan. He has been subbed in these past few weeks with seemingly no rhyme or reason, just kind of a random "switch em up". FWIW, I think the coaches do have a real plan for him, but are too afraid to show a damn thing in the OOC games.People give this talking point way to much run. It's ok to say Bill is rough ridin' up. In no way do i believe he has this super secret plan.
The Baylor game was really the only one a case can be made that we would of won if JF would have played moreYou're right. I stand corrected.The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
We played Freeman in the non-con against crappy teams that year. He didn't start, but the RS was burned early
He threw four incomplete passes and an INT against FAU in the second game of the season.
Jake hasn't gotten the chance to show off his arm, we're running eomething that resembles the WCO.
I want to see Sams start, play the entire game, and dance in the endzone right in the haterz fat faces.Who are the haterz?
At the very least, I'd like to see Sams in the following situations:
1) Red Zone possessions
2) If we have a lead in the 3rd quarter, a Sams series to hopefully eat clock with a run oriented possession
3) If we have a lead in the 4th quarter, a Sams series to hopefully eat clock with a run oriented possession
This way we can use the west coast passing attack when Waters has open field to get the ball to his receivers, and when we get into a short field, we switch over to Sams and use him Belldozer style so we can score more TDs since his threat to run the ball will force the defense to move some safeties and LBs into rush defense and maybe open up the TE, RB or FB a little more for use in the red zone passing game.
against quality competition I want to start Sams. If we have to throw every down to catch up I would rather do it after the opponent's D has been playing on it's heels to keep from Sams from getting the big play.At the very least, I'd like to see Sams in the following situations:
1) Red Zone possessions
2) If we have a lead in the 3rd quarter, a Sams series to hopefully eat clock with a run oriented possession
fizz) If we have a lead in the 4th quarter, a Sams series to hopefully eat clock with a run oriented possession
This way we can use the west coast passing attack when Waters has open field to get the ball to his receivers, and when we get into a short field, we switch over to Sams and use him Belldozer style so we can score more TDs since his threat to run the ball will force the defense to move some safeties and LBs into rush defense and maybe open up the TE, RB or FB a little more for use in the red zone passing game.
I just worry that playing that much Waters puts us at a high risk of getting blown out by good teams.
At the very least, I'd like to see Sams in the following situations:
1) Red Zone possessions
2) If we have a lead in the 3rd quarter, a Sams series to hopefully eat clock with a run oriented possession
3) If we have a lead in the 4th quarter, a Sams series to hopefully eat clock with a run oriented possession
This way we can use the west coast passing attack when Waters has open field to get the ball to his receivers, and when we get into a short field, we switch over to Sams and use him Belldozer style so we can score more TDs since his threat to run the ball will force the defense to move some safeties and LBs into rush defense and maybe open up the TE, RB or FB a little more for use in the red zone passing game.
I just worry that playing that much Waters puts us at a high risk of getting blown out by good teams.
why do I get the feeling that we've all been arguing for about 12 pages now and we all essentially agree on virtually everything? :confused:so he doesn't get credit for recievers' yac but he has to take the entire td/int stat line even though he would be 3/3 if not for 2 clear receiver derps? jesus christ, MIR.or maybe it's because he's completed 72% of his passes for 558 yards in 2 games with a 9.3 yds/attempt. :dunno:His passing ability is very overrated as it relates to how our fans talk about him. He had 2 very good passes that a good hs quarterback wouldn't complete on Saturday, both when he was on the move. He can complete basic passes and his throwing motion looks good, we haven't had a pocket passer that can do this since 1995 so everyone thinks this guy is Peyton Manning.
Maybe he just looks so good because we've been watching Collin/Queso/Gregory the last 4 years?
You excluded three very important QB stats though. Also why, in the case of the offense that Waters is being asked to run,are people making a big deal about yds/attempt? Seemingly 95% of his attempts are within 5 yards of the LOS with receivers racking up YAC.
why is it so rough ridin' hard to admit that the evidence so far is that he's a pretty good pocket passing qb that has a good release, is accurate and can scramble effectively when the pocket breaks down...AND...Sams is still the better qb for our system?
Um I was just pointing out that your little stat pack told half of the story. I do think he's a good passer, nothing more. I think his biggest issue isn't his accuracy, his receivers, his running back, or his o line; its his coaches insistence on him running someone else's offense.
why do I get the feeling that we've all been arguing for about 12 pages now and we all essentially agree on virtually everything? :confused:
I want to see Sams start, play the entire game, and dance in the endzone right in the haterz fat faces.Who are the haterz?
again, I'm not sure those people actually exist on this blog. I really feel like we've all been arguing for the sake of arguing*.I want to see Sams start, play the entire game, and dance in the endzone right in the haterz fat faces.Who are the haterz?
If you don't think Sams should be the starter and receiving a majority of snaps, it's you.
I think most everyone here wishes Sams was the starter. The haterz must be the wild wildcats coaching staff. :sdeek:I want to see Sams start, play the entire game, and dance in the endzone right in the haterz fat faces.Who are the haterz?
If you don't think Sams should be the starter and receiving a majority of snaps, it's you.
So every single person here agrees Jake should be benched for Sams and the coaches are kind of being morons and probably cost us a win because of their stupidity? I guess I stand corrected.I haven't seen anyone arguing otherwise. I certainly feel that way.
So every single person here agrees Jake should be benched for Sams and the coaches are kind of being morons and probably cost us a win because of their stupidity? I guess I stand corrected.
I like Sams because he's fun to watch and fits into a very effective, comfortable formula. Unlike seemingly everyone else, I have no idea if he'd win more games than Waters.haterrrrr
I like Sams because he's fun to watch and fits into a very effective, comfortable formula. Unlike seemingly everyone else, I have no idea if he'd win more games than Waters.14 points vs a FCS school is a good indicator
The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
I like Sams because he's fun to watch and fits into a very effective, comfortable formula. Unlike seemingly everyone else, I have no idea if he'd win more games than Waters.
The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
I agree completely; RP's easing Freeman into the season was one of the dumbest things he did as head coach at K-State.
Yeah pretty sure there is a whole thread highlighting the dumb things he did.The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
I agree completely; RP's easing Freeman into the season was one of the dumbest things he did as head coach at K-State.
This reads like sarcasm so :bwpopcorn:
The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
I agree completely; RP's easing Freeman into the season was one of the dumbest things he did as head coach at K-State.
This reads like sarcasm so :bwpopcorn:
The only thing I was pissed about re. Freeman's first year is that we waited so long to burn the redshirt (which wasn't until the Baylor game IIRC). Either go with him earlier or redshirt the entire way, I thought.
I agree completely; RP's easing Freeman into the season was one of the dumbest things he did as head coach at K-State.
This reads like sarcasm so :bwpopcorn:
No, I'm serious. It seemed clear to me that Freeman was going to eventually be the starter, why wait until Baylor to really play him?
I apologize for continuing to pollute this thread to an already beaten up talking point though.
You have nothing to apologize for. So you think we beat Baylor with Josh starting? My recollection of that game isn't perfectly clear. I think he passed it well when he came in to start the 2nd half but we couldn't run at all so we kept getting bogged down and lost a relatively close scoring game??? No way we beat Louisville with Freeman.
yes. YES!I like Sams because he's fun to watch and fits into a very effective, comfortable formula. Unlike seemingly everyone else, I have no idea if he'd win more games than Waters.
Sams would have beat NDSU with the gameplan that Waters was asked to execute. If Waters would have been allowed to be a passing QB and then we ran off of the pass instead of vice versa he would have beaten NDSU.
By god if I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed MIR and I seem to agree. By the way this isn't any great revelation, cause most of the fans around my section were all saying the same thing during the last game. :th_twocents:I like Sams because he's fun to watch and fits into a very effective, comfortable formula. Unlike seemingly everyone else, I have no idea if he'd win more games than Waters.
Sams would have beat NDSU with the gameplan that Waters was asked to execute. If Waters would have been allowed to be a passing QB and then we ran off of the pass instead of vice versa he would have beaten NDSU.
You have nothing to apologize for. So you think we beat Baylor with Josh starting? My recollection of that game isn't perfectly clear. I think he passed it well when he came in to start the 2nd half but we couldn't run at all so we kept getting bogged down and lost a relatively close scoring game??? No way we beat Louisville with Freeman.Checking the box score, it appears our entire offense was atrocious throughout the entire game.
Kansas State (3-2, 0-1) lost its sixth straight Big 12 opener, and first road game for new coach Ron Prince -- who switched quarterbacks after halftime and plans to stick with freshman Josh Freeman "for the foreseeable future." The Wildcats play Oklahoma State at home next week.
"We're not looking back," Prince said. "I felt Josh gave us the best chance to move the ball. ... I'm not looking for a silver lining."
Freeman, who graduated high school early and went through spring drills, was 11-of-33 for 196 yards with three interceptions. He was 3-of-14 in limited action the first four games.
Dylan Meier regained his starting job in the spring and preseason camp after missing last season with a shoulder injury. But the senior has completed only half his passes this year, including 11 of 22 for 100 yards against Baylor.
So, the answer to who would win more games between Sams and Waters is neither? Seems more believable than saying that one would win more than the other.I think the real problem that's brothering everyone in this thread, is the shitty coaching calls(plays) for the type of QB we have. These old assholes aren't going to bend tho.
Sams could of ran zone read every down and beat NDSU but we would of had to open the play book to for Waters and he still would of needed to be better on 3rd downDon't make the slow eff run, and we'll be fine.
Sams could of ran zone read every down and beat NDSU but we would of had to open the play book to for Waters and he still would of needed to be better on 3rd downDon't make the slow eff run, and we'll be fine.
You have nothing to apologize for. So you think we beat Baylor with Josh starting? My recollection of that game isn't perfectly clear. I think he passed it well when he came in to start the 2nd half but we couldn't run at all so we kept getting bogged down and lost a relatively close scoring game??? No way we beat Louisville with Freeman.Checking the box score, it appears our entire offense was atrocious throughout the entire game.QuoteKansas State (fizz-2, 0-1) lost its sixth straight Big fizz opener, and first road game for new coach Ron Prince -- who switched quarterbacks after halftime and plans to stick with freshman Josh Freeman "for the foreseeable future." The Wildcats play Oklahoma State at home next week.
"We're not looking back," Prince said. "I felt Josh gave us the best chance to move the ball. ... I'm not looking for a silver lining."
Freeman, who graduated high school early and went through spring drills, was 11-of-33 for 196 yards with fizz interceptions. He was fizz-of-14 in limited action the first four games.
Dylan Meier regained his starting job in the spring and preseason camp after missing last season with a shoulder injury. But the senior has completed only half his passes this year, including 11 of 22 for 100 yards against Baylor.
Leon and Tommy Guns combined for 45 yards on 21 carries. fizz-19 on third down.
Weird how this fan base hates QB's with, yanno, QB skills.
Weird how this fan base hates QB's with, yanno, QB skills.
Weird how this fan base hates QB's with, yanno, QB skills.
Weird how this fan base hates QB's with, yanno, QB skills.
What the eff are you talking about?
Does Sams not have QB skills?Weird how this fan base hates QB's with, yanno, QB skills.
What the eff are you talking about?
:dubious: Don't be a dumbass. You know exactly what I am talking about.
Does Sams not have QB skills?
:confused:
Obviously not or he would be playing more at QB.said hating Francis about a young Ell Roberson and Collin Klein.
I do hate 1:2 TD:INT ratios if that's what you mean
I do hate 1:2 TD:INT ratios if that's what you mean
I do as well, but it's not what I meant. too small a sample size don't you think?
Does Sams not have QB skills?
:confused:
Obviously not or he would be playing more at QB.
I do hate 1:2 TD:INT ratios if that's what you mean
I do as well, but it's not what I meant. too small a sample size don't you think?
better keep playing him in front of Sams, just to make 100%, dead bolt lock sure that he's not so great at running our offense.I do hate 1:2 TD:INT ratios if that's what you mean
I do as well, but it's not what I meant. too small a sample size don't you think?
OBVIOUSLY NOT
There might be some advantages to being able to throw the ball, too. Not sure.
Obviously not or he would be playing more at QB.said hating Francis about a young Ell Roberson and Collin Klein.
I do hate 1:2 TD:INT ratios if that's what you mean
I do as well, but it's not what I meant. too small a sample size don't you think?
Are Sams' game stats too small of a sample too? Are we only getting the best out of him and all the rest would be what drags his avg down?
Dunn was juco player of the year too iirc. And how do you know Waters is a damn good QB, considering sample sizes and all that junk?Obviously not or he would be playing more at QB.said hating Francis about a young Ell Roberson and Collin Klein.
That's not a fair statement because of the garbage that was battling those two. Waters is a damn good QB.
I do hate 1:2 TD:INT ratios if that's what you mean
I do as well, but it's not what I meant. too small a sample size don't you think?
Are Sams' game stats too small of a sample too? Are we only getting the best out of him and all the rest would be what drags his avg down?
Umm yes? Isn't that how that stat crap works?
Dunn was juco player of the year too iirc. And how do you know Waters is a damn good QB, considering sample sizes and all that junk?Obviously not or he would be playing more at QB.said hating Francis about a young Ell Roberson and Collin Klein.
That's not a fair statement because of the garbage that was battling those two. Waters is a damn good QB.
Seems like always clamoring for the scrambling QB is pretty tuckish...
Seems like always clamoring for the scrambling QB is pretty tuckish...
I like Sams. He's electric. But I like knowing we have a dude than can sling it. Seems to be the thing these days is to have a quarterback that can beat you with his arm.
It's my humble opinion that Waters is better than his current INT:TD ratio and he will improve, but Sams is better now and will improve more and that anyone who disagrees with me is either racist or bad at analyzing football.
It's my humble opinion that Waters is better than his current INT:TD ratio and he will improve, but Sams is better now and will improve more and that anyone who disagrees with me is either racist or bad at analyzing football.
I like Sams. He's electric. But I like knowing we have a dude than can sling it. Seems to be the thing these days is to have a quarterback that can beat you with his arm.
Why can't Sams sling it?
Yeah, I would probably fire up the ol' firebillsnyder.com right now if I thought Waters was actually as awful as his stats indicate so far (sample size like francis points out). However, I agree that Sams is better right now and has a better upside making our team better today and in the future.
Yeah, I would probably fire up the ol' firebillsnyder.com right now if I thought Waters was actually as awful as his stats indicate so far (sample size like francis points out). However, I agree that Sams is better right now and has a better upside making our team better today and in the future.
Until we meet up against Okie State and Baylor and they shut down our running game and shred our defense. We have never been a team built for the comeback. Maybe having Waters changes that for us. :dunno:
sams slung a pretty good ball in the seam on saturday
Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback? Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.
Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.
Yeah, I would probably fire up the ol' firebillsnyder.com right now if I thought Waters was actually as awful as his stats indicate so far (sample size like francis points out). However, I agree that Sams is better right now and has a better upside making our team better today and in the future.
Until we meet up against Okie State and Baylor and they shut down our running game and shred our defense. We have never been a team built for the comeback. Maybe having Waters changes that for us. :dunno:
maybe having waters play QB makes us lose to a D1AA school :dunno:
one of these data points is real and the others are make believe
Until we meet up against Okie State and Baylor and they shut down our running game and shred our defense. We have never been a team built for the comeback. Maybe having Waters changes that for us. :dunno:
Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback? Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.
Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback? Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.
Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.
Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback? Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.
Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.
Yeah, I would probably fire up the ol' firebillsnyder.com right now if I thought Waters was actually as awful as his stats indicate so far (sample size like francis points out). However, I agree that Sams is better right now and has a better upside making our team better today and in the future.
Until we meet up against Okie State and Baylor and they shut down our running game and shred our defense. We have never been a team built for the comeback. Maybe having Waters changes that for us. :dunno:
maybe having waters play QB makes us lose to a D1AA school :dunno:
one of these data points is real and the others are make believe
talking points on both sides SD. that 9 minute drive NDSU orchestrated certainly didn't help. What does DSAMS do with 28 seconds left? I have some wishful thinking of what could have happened but honestly I don't see him or Klein for that matter fairing any better in that spot.
Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback? Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.
Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.
Change Sams to Klein and this is the Baylor game last year.
I guess I'd rather go 11-1 because we couldn't pass the ball than lose to a Division 2 school because we couldn't run it. ya know? :dunno:
talking points on both sides SD. that 9 minute drive NDSU orchestrated certainly didn't help. What does DSAMS do with 28 seconds left? I have some wishful thinking of what could have happened but honestly I don't see him or Klein for that matter fairing any better in that spot.It's like nobody remembers Klein to Harper 2010 at all.
maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)
maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)
No it's not!
Add the loss to Oregon. We couldn't keep pace with those guys. Quick, athletic defenses shut us down last year and we didn't have a QB capable of getting us back in the game with his arm. I don't know if Sams can do it, hell I don't know if Waters can. All I am saying is that it's obvious he has some talent throwing the ball. I'm not ready to right him off just yet.
Has Sams ever even had a possession that didn't end with a touchdown, field goal, or knee taken?
yes, it is dumbass. and it's not remotely close.
yes, it is dumbass. and it's not remotely close.
Please post your imaginary dumbass facts validating your obviously dumbass theory below:
on it, SD
As for the oregon game, I would like to point out that they scored 35 pts that game rather than their normal bagillion. Not looking it up, but assuming that this is partly thanks to time of possession due to our CK run style.
35-17. If you reduce our time of possession and add two interceptions, this could be pretty different.
Has Sams ever even had a possession that didn't end with a touchdown, field goal, or knee taken?
OSU we punted a couple times.
better yet, I'll have someone here do it for me! (someone do this for me, tia)
better yet, I'll have someone here do it for me! (someone do this for me, tia)
Is this emoticon appropriate here?
:Rusty:
Did anybody watch BYU run all over UT?
I wish we had a QB who was really good at running into the endzone. Seems like it would help us in that game.
:lol:maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)
No it's not!
NDSU:
Waters scored on his 4th possession of the game, which was an 80 yard drive. The next two drives of the half, orchestrated by waters, resulted in 7 plays for 7 yards and an INT. Waters scored on his first possession of the third quarter. Next drive was a Sams touchdown. The next two drives were Waters punts. The next one was waters' second INT of the game.
Sams: 1/1, Waters: 2/9.
UL: Waters led a 60 yard drive which resulted in a field goal on the first possession. Waters threw an INT. Waters and Sams led a 71 yard TD drive. Sams and Waters led a 49 yard TD drive. Waters (alone) led a 31 yard drive that ended with a turnover on downs from an absolutely putrid option run on 4th and 1. Waters led an 87 yard field goal drive. Two special teams TDs (i'm not giving that second one to Waters for the purposes of this thread. TT got the ball to the 1). Waters throws an INT. Waters goes 3 and out. Zim pick 6s. Next drive we ran hubes 6 times in a row, no idea who QB was (wash). Sams runs a 65 yard TD drive. Sams finishes game on 2nd down (wash).
Waters: 8 drives (2 ".5 drives" when Sams is in). 1 solo TD drive. 2 Sams aided TD drives. 1 solo field goal drive
Sams: 3 drives (2 ".5 drives" when Waters is in). 1 solo TD drive. 2 Waters aided TD drives.
Total:
Sams hasn't had a single solo drive all season, but he's shared 4 drives with waters, 3 of which, have resulted in TDs. The other involved Sams in only one play.
Waters has had 16 solo drives all season. 3 of those have ended in TDs, one has ended in a field goal.:lol:maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)
No it's not!
NDSU:
Waters scored on his 4th possession of the game, which was an 80 yard drive. The next two drives of the half, orchestrated by waters, resulted in 7 plays for 7 yards and an INT. Waters scored on his first possession of the third quarter. Next drive was a Sams touchdown. The next two drives were Waters punts. The next one was waters' second INT of the game.
Sams: 1/1, Waters: 2/9.
UL: Waters led a 60 yard drive which resulted in a field goal on the first possession. Waters threw an INT. Waters and Sams led a 71 yard TD drive. Sams and Waters led a 49 yard TD drive. Waters (alone) led a 31 yard drive that ended with a turnover on downs from an absolutely putrid option run on 4th and 1. Waters led an 87 yard field goal drive. Two special teams TDs (i'm not giving that second one to Waters for the purposes of this thread. TT got the ball to the 1). Waters throws an INT. Waters goes 3 and out. Zim pick 6s. Next drive we ran hubes 6 times in a row, no idea who QB was (wash). Sams runs a 65 yard TD drive. Sams finishes game on 2nd down (wash).
Waters: 8 drives (2 ".5 drives" when Sams is in). 1 solo TD drive. 2 Sams aided TD drives. 1 solo field goal drive
Sams: 3 drives (2 ".5 drives" when Waters is in). 1 solo TD drive. 2 Waters aided TD drives.
Total:
Sams hasn't had a single solo drive all season, but he's shared 4 drives with waters, 3 of which, have resulted in TDs. The other involved Sams in only one play.
Waters has had 16 solo drives all season. 3 of those have ended in TDs, one has ended in a field goal.:lol:maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)
No it's not!
:sdeek:
how can anyone look at that and think Waters should play more than Sams?
hatingfrancis is now the timhawk of this debate.
Well done, Francis
Is this the week where it becomes clear to everyone who the QB should be? I mean, it looks like UMass is a warm pile of dog crap. Does Bill divide the quarters? Alternate possessions? Of the games so far, this looks like the one he could go in with a scripted plan and stick to it.
:alleyoop:
we will see more sams in conference play.
we will see more sams in conference play.
At quarterback right? Don't pull the switcharoo on me here blast.
For arguments sake...pretend that Waters + Sams > Sams > Waters.
What now?
For arguments sake...pretend that Waters + Sams > Sams > Waters.
What now?
If that's true then make it at least 50/50 not 90/10 in terms of snaps.
For arguments sake...pretend that Waters + Sams > Sams > Waters.
What now?
If that's true then make it at least 50/50 not 90/10 in terms of snaps.
yes. this is what i would like.
the Hubs 6 carry drive was Waters
HFBIQ posters (hatingfrancis obviously chime in) - is it my love of #Life skewing my opinion/am I being edgy by throwing it out there that Waters actually isn't that good at passing? Not a ton of that thing I think some call "zip" on the ball.
we will see more sams in conference play.
So you guys think Snyder intentionally kept his 'best' player off the field even in a loss to an FCS team?
:facepalm:
we will see more sams in conference play.
obviously. we will be getting our dicks beat off otherwise.
So you guys think Snyder intentionally kept his 'best' player off the field even in a loss to an FCS team?
:facepalm:
sams slung a pretty good ball in the seam on saturday
So you guys think Snyder intentionally kept his 'best' player off the field even in a loss to an FCS team?
:facepalm:
Wow, the incomparable cat trio of FITZ, Ryan "Squeaks" Wallace, and T-Dry really knit a clown suit on goEMAW.com and the Sams lovers!
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/889/1448924.mp3 (http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/889/1448924.mp3)
Things of note:
• Waters is an NFL passer who will play in the league.
• Tyler Dreillng is confused as to why John Hubert can run the ball better with Sams as QB but can't run the ball very well with Waters as QB.
• Sams can't throw the ball.
To review:
Josh Freeman: Passes, throws picks, loses games, looks fabulous. Tucks hate him.
Klein: Runs/gets sunburns, wins games. Tucks love him.
Sams: Runs/gets tattoos, scores TDs. Tucks hate him.
Waters: Passes, throw picks, loses games, goes commando. Tucks love him.
To review:
Josh Freeman: Passes, throws picks, loses games, looks fabulous. Tucks hate him.
Klein: Runs/gets sunburns, wins games. Tucks love him.
Sams: Runs/gets tattoos, scores TDs. Tucks hate him.
Waters: Passes, throw picks, loses games, goes commando. Tucks love him.
I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone or say anyone is a dumbass but if you actually believe that Jake Waters is even going to get a cup of coffee in the NFL you are a dumbass and I judge you as thus.
so i watched the tobias lafayette youtube last night and although it was the second cat's game i've "watched" this year it was the first one that i've really watched. waters actually looks pretty decent. way better than coffman or gregory or meier or evridge or webb. that was pretty surprising i guess. with that said, i hope sams gets 100% of the snaps from here on out.
so i watched the tobias lafayette youtube last night and although it was the second cat's game i've "watched" this year it was the first one that i've really watched. waters actually looks pretty decent. way better than coffman or gregory or meier or evridge or webb. that was pretty surprising i guess. with that said, i hope sams gets 100% of the snaps from here on out.
yeah, he's not bad. glad to have him.
I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone or say anyone is a dumbass but if you actually believe that Jake Waters is even going to get a cup of coffee in the NFL you are a dumbass and I judge you as thus.
To review:
Josh Freeman: Passes, throws picks, loses games, looks fabulous. Tucks hate him.
Klein: Runs/gets sunburns, wins games. Tucks love him.
Sams: Runs/gets tattoos, scores TDs. Tucks hate him.
Waters: Passes, throw picks, loses games, goes commando. Tucks love him.
A huge Klein thing that tucks absolutely loved was how much he bled during games and kept playing. Tucks love that stuff.
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I loved that, too. Tuck?To review:
Josh Freeman: Passes, throws picks, loses games, looks fabulous. Tucks hate him.
Klein: Runs/gets sunburns, wins games. Tucks love him.
Sams: Runs/gets tattoos, scores TDs. Tucks hate him.
Waters: Passes, throw picks, loses games, goes commando. Tucks love him.
A huge Klein thing that tucks absolutely loved was how much he bled during games and kept playing. Tucks love that stuff.
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I think you are passing judgment. I am okay with it, but I just wanted to point it out. Your credibility is at stake.I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone or say anyone is a dumbass but if you actually believe that Jake Waters is even going to get a cup of coffee in the NFL you are a dumbass and I judge you as thus.
another data point: curtis kitchen tweeted that jake was one of the best passers in college football. I'm not judging that either.
I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone or say anyone is a dumbass but if you actually believe that Jake Waters is even going to get a cup of coffee in the NFL you are a dumbass and I judge you as thus.
another data point: curtis kitchen tweeted that jake was one of the best passers in college football. I'm not judging that either.
so i watched the tobias lafayette youtube last night and although it was the second cat's game i've "watched" this year it was the first one that i've really watched. waters actually looks pretty decent. way better than coffman or gregory or meier or evridge or webb. that was pretty surprising i guess. with that said, i hope sams gets 100% of the snaps from here on out.
yeah, he's not bad. glad to have him.
me too and it's nice that he's getting some snaps early in the season so that he's more comfortable if sams gets hurt and he has to go back in later in the season. i'm just going to think of these first two games as preseason nfl games where they rest the starters most of the game and save them for the grueling season ahead.
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
thats the part that kills me, i know its been discussed ad nauseum but eff if there is no rhyme or reason to how bill has played sams why not let him get the 4th and 1 play calls. that crap is unacceptable
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
thats the part that kills me, i know its been discussed ad nauseum but eff if there is no rhyme or reason to how bill has played sams why not let him get the 4th and 1 play calls. that crap is unacceptable
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
thats the part that kills me, i know its been discussed ad nauseum but eff if there is no rhyme or reason to how bill has played sams why not let him get the 4th and 1 play calls. that crap is unacceptable
I would like waters a lot more if he would just refuse to call the running plays for himself or hubert when they are signalled in. "welp, looks like they're calling for another short little dink and dunk pass play to TLBL/TT guys. I know, 27 in a row. weird. BREAK!"
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
thats the part that kills me, i know its been discussed ad nauseum but eff if there is no rhyme or reason to how bill has played sams why not let him get the 4th and 1 play calls. that crap is unacceptable
i mean it honestly could be because he doesn't want to run the risk of spaghetti braining him before conference play even starts.
Folks, Jake Waters has a 70% passing completion. There's a reason NFL execs are literally salivating over the kid. I mean saliva is dripping out of their mouths right now.
How about that spike on 3rd down with almost buzz seconds left in the first half, guys? Woof city.
I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone or say anyone is a dumbass but if you actually believe that Jake Waters is even going to get a cup of coffee in the NFL you are a dumbass and I judge you as thus.
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
thats the part that kills me, i know its been discussed ad nauseum but eff if there is no rhyme or reason to how bill has played sams why not let him get the 4th and 1 play calls. that crap is unacceptable
i mean it honestly could be because he doesn't want to run the risk of spaghetti braining him before conference play even starts.
:lol:
gfa wins this round
o god what if bill knows that sams is going to be injury plagued his entire career and he's been preparing for that by giving waters starts in easy[sic] games?
I never would've guessed that. great stats, rd!I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
thats the part that kills me, i know its been discussed ad nauseum but eff if there is no rhyme or reason to how bill has played sams why not let him get the 4th and 1 play calls. that crap is unacceptable
i mean it honestly could be because he doesn't want to run the risk of spaghetti braining him before conference play even starts.
:lol:
gfa wins this round
i think the coaches might have actually learned something from collin. in his junior season, he only had two games where he rushed the ball less than 20 times and it pretty much killed him. his senior season they cut way back on his carries to (in my opinion) try and keep him healthier.
junior klein-
+30 carries-one game
+20 carries-nine games
less than 20 carres-two games
senior klein-
+30 carries-zero
+20 carries-three games
less than 20 carries-nine games
overall, senior klein had over 100 less carries than junior klein and averaged .8 yds more per carry.
My fave pass of the season so far. I love that little TE run-pass option in the seam. V. nifty.
My fave pass of the season so far. I love that little TE run-pass option in the seam. V. nifty.
:facepalm:
So you guys think Snyder intentionally kept his 'best' player off the field even in a loss to an FCS team?
:facepalm:
:facepalm: is like the calling card of terrible message boarders. you see him in a post and 99% of the time it's by somebody awful.
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
Given that it seemed Colin was super mumped up hurt a couple times last season, do you think Bill has been trying to implement a little caution into his QB's mentality? I mean, Waters has that down, and that could be a FP thing, but the Sams slide really made me think.
I'm fine with waters just barelling into defenders if he ever feels like trying that. his curl into a ball and fall to the ground move isn't my favorite.
Given that it seemed Colin was super mumped up hurt a couple times last season, do you think Bill has been trying to implement a little caution into his QB's mentality? I mean, Waters has that down, and that could be a FP thing, but the Sams slide really made me think.
you can't teach the kind of caution waters has shown in the running game. you either have that or you don't.
[you can't teach the kind of caution waters has shown in the running game. you either have that or you don't.
[you can't teach the kind of caution waters has shown in the running game. you either have that or you don't.
That's good stuff right there.
I don't think he was trying to be cautious on that 4th down, he just didn't have the skills to gain the yardage needed.
I don't think he was trying to be cautious on that 4th down, he just didn't have the skills to gain the yardage needed.
didn't he only need 1 yard for a wildcat 1st down?
I don't think he was trying to be cautious on that 4th down, he just didn't have the skills to gain the yardage needed.
didn't he only need 1 yard for a wildcat 1st down?
Great point. All he needed was 1 yard for a Wildcat 1st down.
I don't think he was trying to be cautious on that 4th down, he just didn't have the skills to gain the yardage needed.
didn't he only need 1 yard for a wildcat 1st down?
Great point. All he needed was 1 yard for a Wildcat 1st down.
Also Francis is one of the best posters in this thread
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
he assumes you're trolling. if you are, I agree. but I'm not so sure. :dubious:Also Francis is one of the best posters in this thread
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Non obvious trolling is the bestwell yeah. I mean is it really even trolling if it's obvious?
Fwiw, you're not a dumbass if you liked it when Klein bled. You're a dumbass if you found a way to hate it, just cause tucks enjoyed it.
Not trolling. I think Waters is a better pure passer than Sams and therefore think he gives us a better opportunity to win the Dr. Pepper.
Non obvious trolling is the best
Funnier use of "pure" in sports and especially on gE? Point or passer?
Funnier use of "pure" in sports and especially on gE? Point or passer?
Dlew's post broke it down very well. Production matters, and right now its obvious where the best production is coming from at the QB position.
Not trolling. I think Waters is a better pure passer than Sams and therefore think he gives us a better opportunity to win the Dr. Pepper.welp. there he is. the one we've all been waiting for.
that was a subcontracted sd post fwiw.
Not trolling. I think Waters is a better pure passer than Sams and therefore think he gives us a better opportunity to win the Dr. Pepper.
I love DSams and think he is an amazing electric athlete. But maybe he can't throw it? And maybe he isn't a horse like Klein was and can't sustain that kind of punishment on an every down basis. When he comes in he's exciting and clearly the most athletic player on the field. I agree that we need to use him more.
There were so many issues with the NDSU game that I won't just pin on Waters alone. I thought, spare a couple of throws, that he threw the ball pretty well in that game. Better than any QB I have seen in a Wildcat uni in a long time.
It was Waters first two games. He showed some promise, made some stupid decisions etc. I am willing to see what he can do. I am also glad that if he shits the bed we have #life to bail us out.
Your initial non-trolling inferred that one was an actual QB and one wasn't, "yanno"
Your initial non-trolling inferred that one was an actual QB and one wasn't, "yanno"
Why do you hate pocket passers CNS? :dunno:
Cmon CNS! Give me a chance pal!
Fwiw, you're not a dumbass if you liked it when Klein bled. You're a dumbass if you found a way to hate it, just cause tucks enjoyed it.
:thumbs:Fwiw, you're not a dumbass if you liked it when Klein bled. You're a dumbass if you found a way to hate it, just cause tucks enjoyed it.
Fanning, you should run with this. Like how that guy does the "you might be a redneck if..." jokes, your thing can be "you're not a dumbass if.../you're a dumbass if..."
Then when you hit someone with a really good one, you can drop the mic or whatever.
Fwiw, you're not a dumbass if you liked it when Klein bled. You're a dumbass if you found a way to hate it, just cause tucks enjoyed it.
fanning brings up a great point.
:thumbs:Fwiw, you're not a dumbass if you liked it when Klein bled. You're a dumbass if you found a way to hate it, just cause tucks enjoyed it.
Fanning, you should run with this. Like how that guy does the "you might be a redneck if..." jokes, your thing can be "you're not a dumbass if.../you're a dumbass if..."
Then when you hit someone with a really good one, you can drop the mic or whatever.
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
it's symptomatic of the larger problem. I don't know if I used symptomatic correctly though.
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
it's symptomatic of the larger problem. I don't know if I used symptomatic correctly though.
it's used by people that still want waters to be the primary QB and for bill to use him in an offense tailored to an exclusively pocket passing dink and dunk QB calling on sams for specifically sams situations. meanwhile, I want bill to keep calling the exact stuff he has always called but with sams.
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
it's symptomatic of the larger problem. I don't know if I used symptomatic correctly though.
it's used by people that still want waters to be the primary QB and for bill to use him in an offense tailored to an exclusively pocket passing dink and dunk QB calling on sams for specifically sams situations. meanwhile, I want bill to keep calling the exact stuff he has always called but with sams.
agree with the last part, not the first part
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
it's symptomatic of the larger problem. I don't know if I used symptomatic correctly though.
it's used by people that still want waters to be the primary QB and for bill to use him in an offense tailored to an exclusively pocket passing dink and dunk QB calling on sams for specifically sams situations. meanwhile, I want bill to keep calling the exact stuff he has always called but with sams.
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
it's symptomatic of the larger problem. I don't know if I used symptomatic correctly though.
it's used by people that still want waters to be the primary QB and for bill to use him in an offense tailored to an exclusively pocket passing dink and dunk QB calling on sams for specifically sams situations. meanwhile, I want bill to keep calling the exact stuff he has always called but with sams.
agree with the last part, not the first part
if people are going to bitch about the 4th down call they better bitch about the rest of the series.
a) bill rolls out a new offense to the entire team to try to work around our turnover prone pocket passer.yeah I don't understand why people think that a coach that has made his career using a qb run based offense that he basically pioneered can and should just up and completely switch to a pocket passing system to fit a qb that looks just good as a pocket passer. I guess if we managed to land a once in a generation pocket passing qb that could routinely throw 50 yard darts on a rope I would listen to that argument, but that's not what we have in waters.
b) bill continues to call the plays the entire team has always run with our dual threat qb.
Sams can throw.based on what?
Waters does it better.
Sams can throw.based on what?
Waters does it better.
a) bill rolls out a new offense to the entire team to try to work around our turnover prone pocket passer.yeah I don't understand why people think that a coach that has made his career using a qb run based offense that he basically pioneered can and should just up and completely switch to a pocket passing system to fit a qb that looks just good as a pocket passer. I guess if we managed to land a once in a generation pocket passing qb that could routinely throw 50 yard darts on a rope I would listen to that argument, but that's not what we have in waters.
b) bill continues to call the plays the entire team has always run with our dual threat qb.
I guess people just think snyder is a football genius that can do anything but I don't really trust him to operate an offense that's not based around the qb run game.
Sams can throw. Why do people think Sams can't throw? He can throw.
I do have a question; where does the "dink and dunk" passing game talking point come from?
I do have a question; where does the "dink and dunk" passing game talking point come from?
It's just growing pains. We are just maturing into a well-rounded offense. Don't give up yet guys!
Not trolling. I think Waters is a better pure passer than Sams and therefore think he gives us a better opportunity to win the Dr. Pepper.How many Dr. Peppers have we won with "pure passers" at QB, and how many have we won with non "pure passers?"
He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt (3rd Big 12, 21st Nationally) on 71% completions (3rd Big 12, 18th nationally); those numbers simply aren't indicative of "dink and dunk" passing. It could be weren't not used to seeing a QB go through progressions and dumping it to underneath routes, but I assure you most of our passes are 5-step drops with intermediate routes.it may not be swing passed and 5 yard outs everytime but not producing TD is a problem. It looks like this team will not be able to run the ball with Waters at QB and I don't like our WR personnel in the redzone, especially if teams don't have to commit much to stopping the run game.
Again, the intent here is not to be pro-Waters (I've stated my case on his scoring production) but this "dink and dunk" point is not demonstrated in the numbers.
That goddam fourth and inches call we can't stop talking about is the least of my rough ridin' worries about Bill being a dumbass this season.
it's symptomatic of the larger problem. I don't know if I used symptomatic correctly though.
it's used by people that still want waters to be the primary QB and for bill to use him in an offense tailored to an exclusively pocket passing dink and dunk QB calling on sams for specifically sams situations. meanwhile, I want bill to keep calling the exact stuff he has always called but with sams.
It's just growing pains. We are just maturing into a well-rounded offense. Don't give up yet guys!
I agree with this, though I do think the coaching staff overestimated the ability of Waters' led offense to finish drives with scores and underestimated Sams. Like I said before, I think the staff thought Waters was the best long term option this year (and next) to compete for the conference title. That assumption needs some clear rethinking. Or they planned the 2 QB system the entire time, and their use of Sams has been poor and less than what they should have used him. Either way, the staff has to figure it out because its clear that this offense not only needs to score more, but also needs to be better at controlling the clock to help out the defense. More Sams looks like the best solution for both at this point.
I do have a question; where does the "dink and dunk" passing game talking point come from?
Probably to contrast the WR sideline catch-and-run passes we're seeing vs. the vertical passing game that was hyped with pure pocket passer ("PPP") Waters in place.
it may not be swing passed and 5 yard outs everytime but not producing TD is a problem. It looks like this team will not be able to run the ball with Waters at QB and I don't like our WR personnel in the redzone, especially if teams don't have to commit much to stopping the run game.
Waters arm doesn't look much better than a healthy Dylan Meier and we saw him put up good numbers in losses to average big 12 ('04 ATM and TT come to mind) teams multiple times in an era before 40 points was almost required to when a conference game. And he had Sproles in the backfield.
I truly pray this has been some combo of motivate Sams/prepare Waters when we need him and not a sea change of offensive philosophy for this staff. We can't continue to recruit undersized players at RB and WR, 3 star projects at OL and DITR guys on D and expect to not become ISU in today's Big 12 - the early 90s Big 8 is not today's Big 12.
I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone or say anyone is a dumbass but if you actually believe that Jake Waters is even going to get a cup of coffee in the NFL you are a dumbass and I judge you as thus.
another data point: curtis kitchen tweeted that jake was one of the best passers in college football. I'm not judging that either.
He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt (3rd Big 12, 21st Nationally) on 71% completions (3rd Big 12, 18th nationally); those numbers simply aren't indicative of "dink and dunk" passing. It could be weren't not used to seeing a QB go through progressions and dumping it to underneath routes, but I assure you most of our passes are 5-step drops with intermediate routes.
Again, the intent here is not to be pro-Waters (I've stated my case on his scoring production) but this "dink and dunk" point is not demonstrated in the numbers.
It's just growing pains. We are just maturing into a well-rounded offense. Don't give up yet guys!
I agree with this, though I do think the coaching staff overestimated the ability of Waters' led offense to finish drives with scores and underestimated Sams. Like I said before, I think the staff thought Waters was the best long term option this year (and next) to compete for the conference title. That assumption needs some clear rethinking. Or they planned the 2 QB system the entire time, and their use of Sams has been poor and less than what they should have used him. Either way, the staff has to figure it out because its clear that this offense not only needs to score more, but also needs to be better at controlling the clock to help out the defense. More Sams looks like the best solution for both at this point.
we will be back to running the pre Bishop O that was succesfull in the days of Big 8 defenses recruited to stop Nebraska, Colorado and OU option football and had cat defenses recruited and coached by Stoops, Venables, Levitt etc.it may not be swing passed and 5 yard outs everytime but not producing TD is a problem. It looks like this team will not be able to run the ball with Waters at QB and I don't like our WR personnel in the redzone, especially if teams don't have to commit much to stopping the run game.
Waters arm doesn't look much better than a healthy Dylan Meier and we saw him put up good numbers in losses to average big 12 ('04 ATM and TT come to mind) teams multiple times in an era before 40 points was almost required to when a conference game. And he had Sproles in the backfield.
I truly pray this has been some combo of motivate Sams/prepare Waters when we need him and not a sea change of offensive philosophy for this staff. We can't continue to recruit undersized players at RB and WR, 3 star projects at OL and DITR guys on D and expect to not become ISU in today's Big 12 - the early 90s Big 8 is not today's Big 12.
I agree with most of that (I think Waters arms might be very good, better that Meiers, but its still way early).
IMO the biggest error in judgement this staff made was the ability to run the ball with Waters at QB. If we can't run with Waters at QB then that completely changes the way we run our offense.
He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt (3rd Big 12, 21st Nationally) on 71% completions (3rd Big 12, 18th nationally); those numbers simply aren't indicative of "dink and dunk" passing. It could be weren't not used to seeing a QB go through progressions and dumping it to underneath routes, but I assure you most of our passes are 5-step drops with intermediate routes.
Again, the intent here is not to be pro-Waters (I've stated my case on his scoring production) but this "dink and dunk" point is not demonstrated in the numbers.
I bet I'd like waters a lot more if we still had chris. I'd like everything more then, tho.me too sd, me too
Not that it matters, FR. I did some research on Cosh the other day. He's like the 3rd string QB at Houston and hasn't seen the field yet. Just a little fun fact. :D
I bet I'd like waters a lot more if we still had chris. I'd like everything more then, tho.
did you ever see billy throw a pass to his had? best passer ever! and it would tug at your emawstringsNot that it matters, FR. I did some research on Cosh the other day. He's like the 3rd string QB at Houston and hasn't seen the field yet. Just a little fun fact. :D
Good. Then it's definitively settled. Best passer since Josh Freeman.
can you imagine sams and chris celebrating in the end zone together :love:I bet I'd like waters a lot more if we still had chris. I'd like everything more then, tho.
Oh yeah, dinking and dunking or whatever it's called to Chris and watching him truck over dudes and talk crap would be super-fun.
He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt (3rd Big 12, 21st Nationally) on 71% completions (3rd Big 12, 18th nationally); those numbers simply aren't indicative of "dink and dunk" passing. It could be weren't not used to seeing a QB go through progressions and dumping it to underneath routes, but I assure you most of our passes are 5-step drops with intermediate routes.it may not be swing passed and 5 yard outs everytime but not producing TD is a problem. It looks like this team will not be able to run the ball with Waters at QB and I don't like our WR personnel in the redzone, especially if teams don't have to commit much to stopping the run game.
Again, the intent here is not to be pro-Waters (I've stated my case on his scoring production) but this "dink and dunk" point is not demonstrated in the numbers.
Waters arm doesn't look much better than a healthy Dylan Meier and we saw him put up good numbers in losses to average big 12 ('04 ATM and TT come to mind) teams multiple times in an era before 40 points was almost required to when a conference game. And he had Sproles in the backfield.
I truly pray this has been some combo of motivate Sams/prepare Waters when we need him and not a sea change of offensive philosophy for this staff. We can't continue to recruit undersized players at RB and WR, 3 star projects at OL and DITR guys on D and expect to not become ISU in today's Big 12 - the early 90s Big 8 is not today's Big 12.
can you imagine sams and chris celebrating in the end zone together :love:I bet I'd like waters a lot more if we still had chris. I'd like everything more then, tho.
Oh yeah, dinking and dunking or whatever it's called to Chris and watching him truck over dudes and talk crap would be super-fun.
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I was hoping Miller might become Chris-ish. :(
this is what snyder keeps making it sound like every time he's asked about it. he's never really had 2 qb's that have different skill sets and he can't figure out how to use them both effectively. seems like it's killing him.It's just growing pains. We are just maturing into a well-rounded offense. Don't give up yet guys!
I agree with this, though I do think the coaching staff overestimated the ability of Waters' led offense to finish drives with scores and underestimated Sams. Like I said before, I think the staff thought Waters was the best long term option this year (and next) to compete for the conference title. That assumption needs some clear rethinking. Or they planned the 2 QB system the entire time, and their use of Sams has been poor and less than what they should have used him. Either way, the staff has to figure it out because its clear that this offense not only needs to score more, but also needs to be better at controlling the clock to help out the defense. More Sams looks like the best solution for both at this point.
I do have a question; where does the "dink and dunk" passing game talking point come from?
how hard can it be? I mean, abandon running the ball and dink and dunk all the way down the field with interceptiondeliverysystem.com and run the normal snyder offense with sams.I agree, but for some reason snyder can't seem to figure it out. seems pretty straight forward to me. :dunno:
how hard can it be? I mean, abandon running the ball and dink and dunk all the way down the field with interceptiondeliverysystem.com and run the normal snyder offense with sams.I agree, but for some reason snyder can't seem to figure it out. seems pretty straight forward to me. :dunno:
This thought just occurred. Do you think we are being schemed?
Snyder is in his 22nd season at K-State. He also served as offensive coordinator under Hayden Fry for years. Called an offensive genius by multiple former K-State greats, and possessing a playbook that encompasses virtually everything under the sun, Snyder doesn't hesitate when asked whether his quarterback duo in 2013 is a unique situation for him.
"Probably so," he said. "If you look back over the years, you probably haven't seen it like this before."
Does that excite you?
"Nothing excites me."
Snyder is in his 22nd season at K-State. He also served as offensive coordinator under Hayden Fry for years. Called an offensive genius by multiple former K-State greats, and possessing a playbook that encompasses virtually everything under the sun, Snyder doesn't hesitate when asked whether his quarterback duo in 2013 is a unique situation for him.:lol: amazing
"Probably so," he said. "If you look back over the years, you probably haven't seen it like this before."
Does that excite you?
"Nothing excites me."
Snyder is in his 22nd season at K-State. He also served as offensive coordinator under Hayden Fry for years. Called an offensive genius by multiple former K-State greats, and possessing a playbook that encompasses virtually everything under the sun, Snyder doesn't hesitate when asked whether his quarterback duo in 2013 is a unique situation for him.
"Probably so," he said. "If you look back over the years, you probably haven't seen it like this before."
Does that excite you?
"Nothing excites me."
how hard can it be? I mean, abandon running the ball and dink and dunk all the way down the field with interceptiondeliverysystem.com and run the normal snyder offense with sams.I agree, but for some reason snyder can't seem to figure it out. seems pretty straight forward to me. :dunno:
Coaches overthink things all the time.
This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.
This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.
D2 loss, tho :frown:
This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.
D2 loss, tho :frown:
this is a great point. I think Ell was like 2-10 passing in our win at USC where we just ran the ball a lot.
Remember Dunn running the option? He may have been as bad as Waters.
This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.yes. except dunn couldn't run OR pass.
This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.yes. except dunn couldn't run OR pass.
This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.yes. except dunn couldn't run OR pass.
1:1 TD:INT ratio, tho (1:2 his first season, tho)
right. and under 50% completion in '01. and his first game against an atrocious new mexico state team he was 4-9 for 70 yards :sdeek:This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.yes. except dunn couldn't run OR pass.
1:1 TD:INT ratio, tho (1:2 only including his first season, tho)
right. and under 50% completion in '01. and his first game against an atrocious new mexico state team he was 4-9 for 70 yards :sdeek:This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.yes. except dunn couldn't run OR pass.
1:1 TD:INT ratio, tho (1:2 only including his first season, tho)
really came into his own vs. tech when he went 16-40 for 197 :hanged smiley:
a lot of his INTs were other players' fault
yes in that they involved dunn taking the snap.right. and under 50% completion in '01. and his first game against an atrocious new mexico state team he was 4-9 for 70 yards :sdeek:This is very, very similar to Dunn and Ell. Bill is forgetful, I guess.yes. except dunn couldn't run OR pass.
1:1 TD:INT ratio, tho (1:2 only including his first season, tho)
really came into his own vs. tech when he went 16-40 for 197 :hanged smiley:
snyder called the wrong plays
also HUR-HUR-HUR you guys.
In all seriousness it's very comparable, Rams.ok
In all seriousness it's very comparable, Rams.
In all seriousness it's very comparable, Rams.
it's uncanny. redshirt soph dual threat guy and NCAA player of the year record passer guy fresh off a stud 11 win season.
In all seriousness it's very comparable, Rams.
it's uncanny. redshirt soph dual threat guy and NCAA player of the year record passer guy fresh off a stud 11 win season.
also kicker from wichita area who's replacing older brother kicker :surprised:
In all seriousness it's very comparable, Rams.
it's uncanny. redshirt soph dual threat guy and NCAA player of the year record passer guy fresh off a stud 11 win season.
also kicker from wichita area who's replacing older brother kicker :surprised:
:surprised:
EHRMAHGERD WE'VE GONE BACK IN TIME!
Problem with the time warp theory:
We had mulitple players on D who had good NFL careers on the 2001 team
EHRMAHGERD WE'VE GONE BACK IN TIME!
NEXT TWO SEASONS, THO
EHRMAHGERD WE'VE GONE BACK IN TIME!
NEXT TWO SEASONS, THO
dont pitch the ball to the marshall defender!!!!!
He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt (3rd Big 12, 21st Nationally) on 71% completions (3rd Big 12, 18th nationally); those numbers simply aren't indicative of "dink and dunk" passing. It could be weren't not used to seeing a QB go through progressions and dumping it to underneath routes, but I assure you most of our passes are 5-step drops with intermediate routes.
Again, the intent here is not to be pro-Waters (I've stated my case on his scoring production) but this "dink and dunk" point is not demonstrated in the numbers.
Waters is doing what they want him to do, coming in and managing the game, and moving the ball up and down the field. He throws a lot of nice passes to Lockett and getting yardage when he can. I think somewhere down the line, too, he's going to want to move the ball farther down the field and not throw the hitch routes for seven or eight yards. That's not a bad thing because you've got two good receivers there.
oh man. where did you find this? :popcorn:Quote from: Michael BishopWaters is doing what they want him to do, coming in and managing the game, and moving the ball up and down the field. He throws a lot of nice passes to Lockett and getting yardage when he can. I think somewhere down the line, too, he's going to want to move the ball farther down the field and not throw the hitch routes for seven or eight yards. That's not a bad thing because you've got two good receivers there.
Probably has been posted, but I watched Tobias's YouTube replay and found these stats:
YPP with Waters on the field: 5.86
#LIFE: 7.84
Counting ONLY DSAMS runs/throws, average is 9 yards per play.
so, yeah, I watched the Snyds video on GPC re: QBs. pretty vanilla, saying that Snake can run it better and #life can pass it better than people perceive.
The part that made me :bang: was where he was comparing Bishop to #life, talking about the virtue of having an electric, athletic QB who just flat out plays the game. Implicit :opcat: aside, he basically said #life may not be the most technical, playbook QB [insert dumb], but he makes plays.
Fact is, I want to go 8-4 and I think playmaker who our coach compares to Bishop gives us the best chance to get there.
I'm really rough ridin' disgusted you guysSorry to spoil your day, but it had to be known.
so, yeah, I watched the Snyds video on GPC re: QBs. pretty vanilla, saying that Snake can run it better and #life can pass it better than people perceive.
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
Simple math!
Waters: 82.2% of the plays. 77.5% of the yards.
Sams: 17.8% of the plays. 22.5% of the yards.
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
nobody yet (on this board). I'm just saying that bill's comments are going to fuel it.
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
waters isn't as bad as people are making him out to be.
I bet waters runs effing circles around our defense in practice.
What about when we had to kick a field goal because Waters was too afraid to step into the throw to Sexton and missed him? Seems scared. You know who doesn't look scared? Daniel Sams.so, yeah, I watched the Snyds video on GPC re: QBs. pretty vanilla, saying that Snake can run it better and #life can pass it better than people perceive.
i know this is coach speak but this talking point rough ridin' irritates me. People perceive crap because thats what we see, of course waters is a better runner in practice, he isnt suppose to get hit. Quite frankly after he tripped on the 30yd line i think he is scared of contact.
Coaches should tell us that player a is better than you think, if thats the rough ridin' case then show us
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
it's been strongly implied by many*.
*racists
Bish says waters dinks and dunks. IN YOUR FACE _FAN!
Bish says waters dinks and dunks. IN YOUR FACE _FAN!
Meh.
What about when we had to kick a field goal because Waters was too afraid to step into the throw to Sexton and missed him? Seems scared. You know who doesn't look scared? Daniel Sams.so, yeah, I watched the Snyds video on GPC re: QBs. pretty vanilla, saying that Snake can run it better and #life can pass it better than people perceive.
i know this is coach speak but this talking point rough ridin' irritates me. People perceive crap because thats what we see, of course waters is a better runner in practice, he isnt suppose to get hit. Quite frankly after he tripped on the 30yd line i think he is scared of contact.
Coaches should tell us that player a is better than you think, if thats the rough ridin' case then show us
Is there any doubt that K-State would be 2-0 with Sams starting at QB (100% of the time)?
oh eff, here come the "sams is dumb" talking points :blah:
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?
Is there any doubt that K-State would be 2-0 with Sams starting at QB (100% of the time)?
No.
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
sams is very intelligent btw. have you guys read his tweets? listened to his interviews?other than what belvis posted that coach said, who said he was dumb?
Fitz and BITB. Back in August, these guys broke through the cone of silence and deduced that Sams was physically gifted, but that Waters would start because he worked harder and understood the playbook better than poor, dumb Daniel. Of course, neither one of them were privvy to any of Bill's practices, so their unfounded conclusion is kind of a head scratcher.
Are we the only school in America that has at least one QB that "can't understand the playbook" year in and year out according to the dumbass fans and local media?
how in the eff do I get rid of thie fizz/buzz bullshit?
how in the eff do I get rid of thie fizz/buzz bullshit?
:ROFL:
well you don't have to. so there's that.waters isn't as bad as people are making him out to be.
I bet waters runs effing circles around our defense in practice.
I feel somewhat bad about having to disparage him. you can be shitloads worse than daniel sams and still be pretty good.
According To This Board SaMs Is As Smart As Brady, Has The arm Of Manning, The Character of Tebow, And Is As hardworking As Klein. Jfc I Love Him And Want Him To Start But This Fan Boy Bullshit Has To stop.
ATTBSIASABHTAOMTCOTAIAHAKJFCILHAWHTSBTFBBSHTS!According To This Board SaMs Is As Smart As Brady, Has The arm Of Manning, The Character of Tebow, And Is As hardworking As Klein. Jfc I Love Him And Want Him To Start But This Fan Boy Bullshit Has To stop.
Is this some sort of acronym you're explaining or do we need to get Kelsey in here?
According To This Board SaMs Is As Smart As Brady, Has The arm Of Manning, The Character of Tebow, And Is As hardworking As Klein. Jfc I Love Him And Want Him To Start But This Fan Boy Bullshit Has To stop.
Missed the M in SaMs...that the key...I thinkATTBSIASABHTAOMTCOTAIAHAKJFCILHAWHTSBTFBBSHTS!According To This Board SaMs Is As Smart As Brady, Has The arm Of Manning, The Character of Tebow, And Is As hardworking As Klein. Jfc I Love Him And Want Him To Start But This Fan Boy Bullshit Has To stop.
Is this some sort of acronym you're explaining or do we need to get Kelsey in here?
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"It was kind of like sandlot football because they were talented, "Snyder said. "They could just go out and play the game and have success with it regardless of whether they were doing the right things or not. Their athletic ability made up for a lack of understanding of things.
"That’s the way Michael came," Snyder said, "and that’s the way Daniel came."
According To This Board SaMs Is As Smart As Brady, Has The arm Of Manning, The Character of Tebow, And Is As hardworking As Klein. Jfc I Love Him And Want Him To Start But This Fan Boy Bullshit Has To stop.
According To This Board SaMs Is As Smart As Brady, Has The arm Of Manning, The Character of Tebow, And Is As hardworking As Klein. Jfc I Love Him And Want Him To Start But This Fan Boy Bullshit Has To stop.
Serious question: What if Sams isn't mastering the playbook, and that's keeping him off the field? If so, why can't we do the same thing we did with Michael Bishop, who was also rumored to have difficulty in mastering the playbook?
Serious question: What if Sams isn't mastering the playbook, and that's keeping him off the field? If so, why can't we do the same thing we did with Michael Bishop, who was also rumored to have difficulty in mastering the playbook?
Because he's not. He knows it fine. Better than some others. See, I told you guys this crap would start!
Serious question: What if Sams isn't mastering the playbook, and that's keeping him off the field? If so, why can't we do the same thing we did with Michael Bishop, who was also rumored to have difficulty in mastering the playbook?
Because he's not. He knows it fine. Better than some others. See, I told you guys this crap would start!
Ok, I get it. Sams is more athletic. He's not handicapped in the passing game. Snyder's not blind in evaluating talent. Help me out here, why is Sams not starting and/or taking majority of snaps? The too cool for school kids say the playbook issue is respected, so maybe I've missed the obvious reason....
after thinking about it for about five seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting 10 yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs five yards past the line of scrimmage.
after thinking about it for about five seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting 10 yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs five yards past the line of scrimmage.
Help me out here, why is Sams not starting and/or taking majority of snaps? The too cool for school kids say the playbook issue is respected, so maybe I've missed the obvious reason....
IIRC, Gregory actually got a couple snaps in that game and looked pretty horrible.
Help me out here, why is Sams not starting and/or taking majority of snaps? The too cool for school kids say the playbook issue is respected, so maybe I've missed the obvious reason....
I remember asking the same thing in '09 when Carson got his dick punched in by Louisiana Lafayette and Gregory sat on the bench. Yet Carson kept starting. And then, when we were desperate and needed a win against Iowa State, Snyder yanked Coffman, Gregory threw 2 4th Quarter touchdowns and we won the game.
So, yeah, I guess Snyds has made mistakes in evaluating talent.
after thinking about it for about buzz seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting buzz yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs buzz yards past the line of scrimmage.
Well, I did see Waters run a few option pitch plays...after thinking about it for about buzz seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting buzz yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs buzz yards past the line of scrimmage.
All makes sense, maybe LHCBS will adopt a different perspective when Sams gets more snaps. It took awhile for Ell to be consistently on the field, and I bet Jeff Schwinn looked great in practice too. :pray: that Waters is not Dunn or Schwinn. :pray:
Well, I did see Waters run a few option pitch plays...after thinking about it for about buzz seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting buzz yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs buzz yards past the line of scrimmage.
All makes sense, maybe LHCBS will adopt a different perspective when Sams gets more snaps. It took awhile for Ell to be consistently on the field, and I bet Jeff Schwinn looked great in practice too. :pray: that Waters is not Dunn or Schwinn. :pray:
They aren't dinks if the RB gains 10 yards!Well, I did see Waters run a few option pitch plays...after thinking about it for about buzz seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting buzz yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs buzz yards past the line of scrimmage.
All makes sense, maybe LHCBS will adopt a different perspective when Sams gets more snaps. It took awhile for Ell to be consistently on the field, and I bet Jeff Schwinn looked great in practice too. :pray: that Waters is not Dunn or Schwinn. :pray:
those were just backwards dinks
Also, Gregory's shoulders were effed up. I would have kept him out too, under those circumstances.IIRC, Gregory actually got a couple snaps in that game and looked pretty horrible.
Help me out here, why is Sams not starting and/or taking majority of snaps? The too cool for school kids say the playbook issue is respected, so maybe I've missed the obvious reason....
I remember asking the same thing in '09 when Carson got his dick punched in by Louisiana Lafayette and Gregory sat on the bench. Yet Carson kept starting. And then, when we were desperate and needed a win against Iowa State, Snyder yanked Coffman, Gregory threw 2 4th Quarter touchdowns and we won the game.
So, yeah, I guess Snyds has made mistakes in evaluating talent.
I mean, nobody seriously believes that Snyds has discounted #life's running game and/or playmaking ability because he's tagged down in practice, right?
I mean, nobody seriously believes that Snyds has discounted #life's running game and/or playmaking ability because he's tagged down in practice, right?
he's only human, belvis noland
IIRC, Gregory actually got a couple snaps in that game and looked pretty horrible.
Help me out here, why is Sams not starting and/or taking majority of snaps? The too cool for school kids say the playbook issue is respected, so maybe I've missed the obvious reason....
I remember asking the same thing in '09 when Carson got his dick punched in by Louisiana Lafayette and Gregory sat on the bench. Yet Carson kept starting. And then, when we were desperate and needed a win against Iowa State, Snyder yanked Coffman, Gregory threw 2 4th Quarter touchdowns and we won the game.
So, yeah, I guess Snyds has made mistakes in evaluating talent.
he's only human, belvis noland
Is he, though?
jb was once pulled in an iowa state game and replaced by adam helm who then lead an even bigger comeback and i don't think anyone is going to argue that helm was better than jb.i quit watching that game at halftime and went bowling with my grandpa instead. stupid me.
http://onlineathens.com/stories/092799/new_ksu.shtml
Is that because grandpa won. If so, I feel for you young stud. That's probably a shame that will mark you for the rest of your life. :th_twocents:jb was once pulled in an iowa state game and replaced by adam helm who then lead an even bigger comeback and i don't think anyone is going to argue that helm was better than jb.i quit watching that game at halftime and went bowling with my grandpa instead. stupid me.
http://onlineathens.com/stories/092799/new_ksu.shtml
maybe bill needs to simplify the playbook for himself.You may know that is how Mack got Vince Young to play so well. They tried to hold him down and make him do what they thought was best; which was a total failure. They untied him and said' "go get em young man" and a MNC winning QB was born. :gocho:
"alright, daniel, go do something fantastic."
"got it, coach."
after thinking about it for about five seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:I'm with you, blast. but I would also add that waters scrambles pretty well. he's been pretty consistently solid at avoiding sacks and getting out when the pocket breaks down. that may be why the staff (dimel?) thinks he can run. problem is, he's absolute dogshit on designed runs (seemingly 80% of snyder's clownishly redardedly unbelievably ridiculously large playbook).
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting 10 yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs five yards past the line of scrimmage.
Do you really believe that? This rumor was started by tucks over the years. Most of us who watched our beloved cats for the past two decades now, know that is complete bullshit.after thinking about it for about five seconds i've come up with the reasons that waters is starting/playing too much:I'm with you, blast. but I would also add that waters scrambles pretty well. he's been pretty consistently solid at avoiding sacks and getting out when the pocket breaks down. that may be why the staff (dimel?) thinks he can run. problem is, he's absolute dogshit on designed runs (seemingly 80% of snyder's clownishly redardedly unbelievably ridiculously large playbook).
--sams got hurt. he missed a lot of practice during camp so the snyder/dimel/miller machine got used to seeing waters back there. they game planned thinking of waters as their qb.
--del miller. you're aware of this, but don't forget how much of a hard on del has for waters. del is also the passing game coordinator, and best buds with bill. he wants waters in there so when he calls passing plays he looks good.
--practice (running) at practice sams is at a serious disadvantage to show what makes him great. it's two hand touch on the quarterbacks every single practice as well as during scrimmages. in qb runs / options it's a lot easier for him to just get touched, and waters isn't that slow so he runs with no fear of getting hit and probably looks halfway decent at running the ball during practice.
--practice (passing) i think we all know waters has the edge in the passing game. but what about a passing play where sams ends up scrambling? well the play is immediately called dead and the coaches might even be a little upset with him because he didn't go through his progressions correctly or something. in the game that's an exciting 10 yard gain, in practice the play is dead as he jogs five yards past the line of scrimmage.
It is staggering how many stupid posters there are on this blog.apparently the powers that be have decided that some idiots are even beyond pi'ing so they started encouraging them. GREAT IDEA!
It is staggering how many stupid posters there are on this blog.apparently the powers that be have decided that some idiots are even beyond pi'ing so they started encouraging them. GREAT IDEA!
So it's not cause Sams doesn't know the playbook but more that the coaching staff can't trust him to execute it, as in, not defer to himself, hold the ball incorrectly, or whatever the hell the staff deems as risky.
This is my guess. He's in his third year, with the same staff, in the same offense. He gets the playbook, that's not an issue. What he does, which is the double-edge sword, is engage in risky plays that so far have paid off huge, but at some point will not and as risk-averse as Snyder is I can see why he would go with Waters.. Waters=safe bet that doesn't fit our offense. Sams=somewhat risky bet that pays off big. Just my guess.
So it's not cause Sams doesn't know the playbook but more that the coaching staff can't trust him to execute it, as in, not defer to himself, hold the ball incorrectly, or whatever the hell the staff deems as risky.
This is my guess. He's in his third year, with the same staff, in the same offense. He gets the playbook, that's not an issue. What he does, which is the double-edge sword, is engage in risky plays that so far have paid off huge, but at some point will not and as risk-averse as Snyder is I can see why he would go with Waters.. Waters=safe bet that doesn't fit our offense. Sams=somewhat risky bet that pays off big. Just my guess.
Guys, remember when Bish would run backward like a million yards escaping pressure, rather than throwing it away, then would scramble a buttload more before blasting a 50yrd bomb to Darnell and stuff?
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Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?no because our best offensive weapon is sams.
Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?
Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?no because our best offensive weapon is sams.
I really don't think it's that hard to figure out. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTrtp60CAAAR2uA.jpg)
Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?no because our best offensive weapon is sams.
Sams is elusive but he runs like an idiot. I would give him 2 games of snaps before he's out for the season. He injured himself playing at WVU in mop up duty last year.
Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?no because our best offensive weapon is sams.
Sams is elusive but he runs like an idiot. I would give him 2 games of snaps before he's out for the season. He injured himself playing at WVU in mop up duty last year.
Ok. But waters sucks at playing quarterback
We line up and try to run out of the same formations with Waters, then go shotgun 4 wide and try to pass. Waters is no threat to run they can focus on Hubert and if Waters does keep it on an option he's so effing slow they can catch him. If you pull that on Sams and go for the back it's a a huge gain with an epic foot plant every time.Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?no because our best offensive weapon is sams.
Sams is elusive but he runs like an idiot. I would give him 2 games of snaps before he's out for the season. He injured himself playing at WVU in mop up duty last year.
Ok. But waters sucks at playing quarterback
He would be a lot better if we had a running back that averaged more than 37yds/game. Teams putting 6DB's on the field are going to make most passing QB's look bad.
Is there any logic to suggest that our best offensive weapons are our receivers/tight ends, and that you have to use the QB that will most effectively use those weapons? If Water is the better and more consistent passer, shouldn't he be running the offense, with Sams brought in to make the best use of the running game?no because our best offensive weapon is sams.
Sams is elusive but he runs like an idiot. I would give him 2 games of snaps before he's out for the season. He injured himself playing at WVU in mop up duty last year.
Waters ran pretty good last drive against the absolute crap umass d.Waters should die in a fire which I know is a oxy moron.
Waters ran pretty good last drive against the absolute crap umass d.
Waters ran pretty good last drive against the absolute crap umass d.
I'm certain the coaches felt quite encouraged and validated by this.
why would you wish the state of north dakota on such a great person?
I'll be really surprised if Sams doesn't start Saturday.
Seems like a Bill/Texas curveball.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much the tucks rough ridin' loved Michael Bishop. They're always searching for the next Michael Bishop. A QB with toughness, grit, sprinter's speed, and an arm that could throw a football right over them thar mountains. Some of them believe Sams to be the next Michael Bishop.
Sams is smarter then Bishop.. but so is the wall I am looking at...
I acutally talked to Bishop on 2 occasions. Please give reasoning why u think a wall is smarter. Some people on here don't know what "smarts" or "ignorance" really are.
This was a meaningless game. I bet Snyder would've rather had practice.
This was a meaningless game. I bet Snyder would've rather had practice.
pretty bad day for team waters. but, luckily, team waters doesn't really exist at this point, so they should be alright.
This was a meaningless game. I bet Snyder would've rather had practice.
_FAN, are you worried about our defense? Why or why not?
the rumor is, and I've heard this from multiple people but nobody that actually played with bish, that he couldn't read defenses and justin swift had to call the audibles for him. so that's probably where his reputation comes from. :dunno:I acutally talked to Bishop on 2 occasions. Please give reasoning why u think a wall is smarter. Some people on here don't know what "smarts" or "ignorance" really are.
bishop was without a doubt one of the smartest fball players i ever played bball with. and i'm not primarily saying that to insult other fball players. i never really understood how his reputation for stupidity came about.
maybe he just has text anxiety :frown:
pretty bad day for team waters. but, luckily, team waters doesn't really exist at this point, so they should be alright.
They'll talk about his 19 yard run as evidence that he is a good runner but completely ignore that he had 2 players wide open for touchdowns but his panic in the pocket and happy feet didn't allow him to see them.
They'll talk about his TD pass to Hubert but ignore the fact that everyone in the stadium saw him open before Waters did, the crowd yelled for the pass before it was delivered, he was nearly late with the ball.
The Gronk play was awesome, great play design, would be nice if both QBs in this platoon had innovative playcalls to work with.
When I was in line at the restroom a tuck was very loudly stating for all to hear that Sams is always late to practice so he doesnt deserve snaps.
When I was in line at the restroom a tuck was very loudly stating for all to hear that Sams is always late to practice so he doesnt deserve snaps.
The problem with Waters:
He's not a prototypical 6'5", 230 lb pocket passer with a rocket arm who can use every inch of the field. He can be fairly accurate on short passes and has decent speed to buy time in the pocket. His problem is that when he buys time in the pocket he doesn't see down field. He doesn't have "it." Todd Reesing had "it". Manziel has "it". He doesn't. To be effective with his physical limitations he needs to be able to find guys down field when a play breaks down. So far I haven't seen that ability consistently at all. :th_twocents:
Rush yards:
BYU - 550 yds
Ole Miss - 191 yds (and they are still in the 4th qtr)
But feel free to trot Mr. Int out there. eff u bill.
Torrell Miller hasnt done Waters any favors. That drop yesterday looked like that scene from Necessary Roughness at open tryouts in the gym, and his facemask interception last week was equally bad.
Twice last night we called timeouts from the sidelines, presumably because Sam's wasn't in "the right play".
Waters averaged 8.2 YPC last night.
Both time TO was called from the sideline Sams was set with plenty of time on the play clock. I'm not saying its because he's an idiot, it just appeared like Sams wasn't doing something right (probably in the wrong play).
The only time we called TO because of a qb change it was Waters coming on the field.
Both time TO was called from the sideline Sams was set with plenty of time on the play clock. I'm not saying its because he's an idiot, it just appeared like Sams wasn't doing something right (probably in the wrong play).
The only time we called TO because of a qb change it was Waters coming on the field.
That just isn't true, sorry.
anyone listen to the radio call in show to hear what the tucks are saying? I listened last week on the drive back but couldn't get to the game this week. There was a surprisingly decent amount of fan support for sams IMO.
maybe he just has text anxiety :frown:
I don't think they had texts back in Bish's day
This confirms I'm right re: timeouts and Sams
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2013-2014/sept14.html
This thread might actually cause me to change from #teamsams to #teamwaters. That's how rough ridin' ignorant and irrational the dialogue has become.
This thread might actually cause me to change from #teamsams to #teamwaters. That's how rough ridin' ignorant and irrational the dialogue has become.
If you would change your allegiance based on a thread then Sams wouldn't want you on his team anyway.
This thread might actually cause me to change from #teamsams to #teamwaters. That's how rough ridin' ignorant and irrational the dialogue has become.
If you would change your allegiance based on a thread then Sams wouldn't want you on his team anyway.
Given Sams and Waters relationship, I'm pretty sure he'd be with me and against you.
#teamsams
This thread might actually cause me to change from #teamsams to #teamwaters. That's how rough ridin' ignorant and irrational the dialogue has become.
If you would change your allegiance based on a thread then Sams wouldn't want you on his team anyway.
Given Sams and Waters relationship, I'm pretty sure he'd be with me and against you.
#teamsams
I made a video for him and he told me he liked it on twitter. :don'tcare:
lol at FSD trying to talk sports :lol:
lol at FSD trying to talk sports :lol:it's pretty funny watching zacker/carnes and fsd push each other to the extremes though. by the end of the week fsd will declare us the greatest college sports team in history and zacker/carnes will be demanding that we shut down the football program altogether.
lol at FSD trying to talk sports :lol:it's pretty funny watching zacker/carnes and fsd push each other to the extremes though. by the end of the week fsd will declare us the greatest college sports team in history and zacker/carnes will be demanding that we shut down the football program altogether.
This thread might actually cause me to change from #teamsams to #teamwaters. That's how rough ridin' ignorant and irrational the dialogue has become.
If you would change your allegiance based on a thread then Sams wouldn't want you on his team anyway.
Given Sams and Waters relationship, I'm pretty sure he'd be with me and against you.
#teamsams
I made a video for him and he told me he liked it on twitter. :don'tcare:
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I'm pretty Sure Sams Would Be creeped the eff Out By All Of You Weirdos And Your Grotesque Circle Jerk Over Him In This Thread If He Ever read It.I'm kind of creeped out by your cavalier capitalization.
I'm pretty Sure Sams Would Be creeped the eff Out By All Of You Weirdos And Your Grotesque Circle Jerk Over Him In This Thread If He Ever read It.I'm kind of creeped out by your cavalier capitalization.
SSWBFOBAOYWAYGCJOHITTIHEI? :DI'm pretty Sure Sams Would Be creeped the eff Out By All Of You Weirdos And Your Grotesque Circle Jerk Over Him In This Thread If He Ever read It.I'm kind of creeped out by your cavalier capitalization.
It must be another acronym
There's been a lot of jokes made here about whether OBz and and the staff is seeing what all of us are seeing.wait wut? did he just give sams credit for a throw that jake made?
On Snyder's show that's on right now, Wyatt brought up the GRONK TD. OBz turns it back around and says something about how we have to remember who threw the ball and that people say Daniel can't throw but obviously he can.
So there you go.
There's been a lot of jokes made here about whether OBz and and the staff is seeing what all of us are seeing.wait wut? did he just give sams credit for a throw that jake made?
On Snyder's show that's on right now, Wyatt brought up the GRONK TD. OBz turns it back around and says something about how we have to remember who threw the ball and that people say Daniel can't throw but obviously he can.
So there you go.
it's like he's trying to let the entire world know that it's not his fault sams isn't playing more. so rough ridin' bizarre.There's been a lot of jokes made here about whether OBz and and the staff is seeing what all of us are seeing.wait wut? did he just give sams credit for a throw that jake made?
On Snyder's show that's on right now, Wyatt brought up the GRONK TD. OBz turns it back around and says something about how we have to remember who threw the ball and that people say Daniel can't throw but obviously he can.
So there you go.
Yes. But I guess it works out if it leads to Sams getting the full-time job.
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along? If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.
I think Snyder has a lot less to do with our offense than everyone thinks.
I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat. I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball. I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.
wut? that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along? If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.
It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
wut? that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along? If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.
It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
people are just really confused and I, for one, find it fascinating that he's running sams out to the media, propping him up every chance he gets and voicing his frustration about his lack of playing time...as if it's not his final decision. if snyder has been handing over more of the in-game decisions to someone else, I think that's a pretty rough ridin' big deal. I'd like to know whether it's sean or dana so we can direct our criticism at the right dumbass (ultimately it's still snyder's fault)...and properly meltdown if that person is in the running to be our next head coach. last year there were a lot of people, including myself, that were saying they would be fine with dimel getting a shot as next head coach. if he's the one lobbying to start waters over sams, that's a big deal.
well if he's letting del make that decision against his own better judgment then that's an even bigger deal. because, wtf is he thinking?wut? that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along? If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.
It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
people are just really confused and I, for one, find it fascinating that he's running sams out to the media, propping him up every chance he gets and voicing his frustration about his lack of playing time...as if it's not his final decision. if snyder has been handing over more of the in-game decisions to someone else, I think that's a pretty rough ridin' big deal. I'd like to know whether it's sean or dana so we can direct our criticism at the right dumbass (ultimately it's still snyder's fault)...and properly meltdown if that person is in the running to be our next head coach. last year there were a lot of people, including myself, that were saying they would be fine with dimel getting a shot as next head coach. if he's the one lobbying to start waters over sams, that's a big deal.
I think it would be del before it would be dana. just based on their specializations or whatever.
Guys, remember when Bish would run backward like a million yards escaping pressure, rather than throwing it away, then would scramble a buttload more before blasting a 50yrd bomb to Darnell and stuff?
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I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat. I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball. I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.
if coaches aren't obsessively focused on winning then they suck. you'd suck as an old coach.
I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat. I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball. I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.
if coaches aren't obsessively focused on winning then they suck. you'd suck as an old coach.
They want to feel like they are the reason for winning.
They'll talk about his 19 yard run as evidence that he is a good runner but completely ignore that he had 2 players wide open for touchdowns but his panic in the pocket and happy feet didn't allow him to see them.Good effort but Matt Wolters hung up on you already.
They'll talk about his TD pass to Hubert but ignore the fact that everyone in the stadium saw him open before Waters did, the crowd yelled for the pass before it was delivered, he was nearly late with the ball.
The Gronk play was awesome, great play design, would be nice if both QBs in this platoon had innovative playcalls to work with.
I mean, wut?
http://youtu.be/JiGp_AyBvuQ
wut? that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along? If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.
It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
I mean, wut?
http://youtu.be/JiGp_AyBvuQ
The best is Wyatt playing along.
How much money do u think bill has sent to various nigerian princes?
Couldn't one of the kstateo.tv interns edited that thing?
Is this going to be like Dick Howser calling for the lefty when he meant to call for the righty? If it is, that story doesn't end well.
I mean, wut?
http://youtu.be/JiGp_AyBvuQ
Uncomfortable
I mean, wut?
http://youtu.be/JiGp_AyBvuQ
Uncomfortable
I hadn't seen that. Snyder said the same thing in his post game press conference. I thought maybe it was a slip of the toungue but I guess not. He really thinks Sams threw the ball. Maybe he thinks that because he knows it should have been Sams throwing that ball. That play and our entire offense in general is geared towards a QB like Sams so why not just freaking play him?
opponent's perspective, UMass head coach:
(3:58 mark)
http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s (http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s)
opponent's perspective, UMass head coach:
(3:58 mark)
http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s (http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s)
ok now I'm actually starting to get a little concerned you guys. :runaway:I mean, wut?
http://youtu.be/JiGp_AyBvuQ
Uncomfortable
I hadn't seen that. Snyder said the same thing in his post game press conference. I thought maybe it was a slip of the toungue but I guess not. He really thinks Sams threw the ball. Maybe he thinks that because he knows it should have been Sams throwing that ball. That play and our entire offense in general is geared towards a QB like Sams so why not just freaking play him?
opponent's perspective, UMass head coach:I could listen to that guy talk about number 4 all day
(3:58 mark)
http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s (http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s)
:frown:
The Bill dementia concerns should probably get their own thread.
:frown:
The Bill dementia concerns should probably get their own thread.
I honestly thought that he would either die while in his office, or re-enter retirement after a power struggle with the AD office for who replaces him.
Call me short sighted, but I haven't really considered this as how it ends. Would probably be the saddest way for it to go down.
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FWIW, Waters has been trying to steal the gf of a younger member of the most elite and EMAW fraternity on campus. That's probably not good for his PR.
I would love to see podium pics of Sams through out the season and his career to see how the crowd goes from a few dumpy looking student reporters to a bunch of high fashion national types in huge crowds.
Will be like marking your kid's height on the closet door and see how much they have grown.
FWIW, Waters has been trying to steal the gf of a younger member of the most elite and EMAW fraternity on campus. That's probably not good for his PR.
I view that as a positive development. I just can't get over all of his turnovers and lack of production on the field.
hard to read this for non twitter folk, but it gives me hope
Ethan Levine ?@ethanlevine 4h
Are you a member? #Life @DS4ms pic.twitter.com/40eHpXeDYK
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“@ethanlevine: Are you a member? #Life @DS4ms pic.twitter.com/a6KVpvpwPD” hahahhaa. I like that.
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@DS4ms @ethanlevine Snyder obviously isn't..he literally is limiting ur athletic ability by not having u throw. Iv nv known him to do this
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FWIW, Waters has been trying to steal the gf of a younger member of the most elite and EMAW fraternity on campus. That's probably not good for his PR.
I view that as a positive development. I just can't get over all of his turnovers and lack of production on the field.
Pfft. "Trying". He's the starting QB for the America's WildWildCats, yet he is still "trying".
hard to read this for non twitter folk, but it gives me hope
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@DS4ms @ethanlevine Snyder obviously isn't..he literally is limiting ur athletic ability by not having u throw. Iv nv known him to do this
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this makes me incredibly happy
Patience
they are good buds(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1270508_565266700175455_1206847570_o.jpg)
Looks like Johnny on the left side there.
7. Kansas State (2-1, 0-0 Big 12, last week 8): After the stunning loss to North Dakota State, the Wildcats have bounced back nicely, and there’s reason to believe they can keep it going in Austin. The zone-read has been devastating to Texas, and K-State change-of-pace QB Daniel Sams might be the best running QB in the league.
Quote from: David Ubben7. Kansas State (2-1, 0-0 Big 12, last week 8): After the stunning loss to North Dakota State, the Wildcats have bounced back nicely, and there’s reason to believe they can keep it going in Austin. The zone-read has been devastating to Texas, and K-State change-of-pace QB Daniel Sams might be the best running QB in the league.
Even known pud David Ubben is calling for Sams to start this week. No chance Sams, doesn't start, right?
opponent's perspective, UMass head coach:I could listen to that guy talk about number 4 all day
(3:58 mark)
http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s (http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s)
Quote from: David Ubben7. Kansas State (2-1, 0-0 Big 12, last week 8): After the stunning loss to North Dakota State, the Wildcats have bounced back nicely, and there’s reason to believe they can keep it going in Austin. The zone-read has been devastating to Texas, and K-State change-of-pace QB Daniel Sams might be the best running QB in the league.
Even known pud David Ubben is calling for Sams to start this week. No chance Sams, doesn't start, right?
FWIW, Waters has been trying to steal the gf of a younger member of the most elite and EMAW fraternity on campus. That's probably not good for his PR.if the fraternity is truly elite and EMAW, that younger member should be doing everything he can to steer his gf into Sams beautiful arms. take one for the team.
opponent's perspective, UMass head coach:
(3:58 mark)
http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s (http://youtu.be/7ky6s5CTQXo?t=3m58s)
Quote from: David Ubben7. Kansas State (2-1, 0-0 Big 12, last week 8): After the stunning loss to North Dakota State, the Wildcats have bounced back nicely, and there’s reason to believe they can keep it going in Austin. The zone-read has been devastating to Texas, and K-State change-of-pace QB Daniel Sams might be the best running QB in the league.
Even known pud David Ubben is calling for Sams to start this week. No chance Sams, doesn't start, right?
ubben doesn't work at espn anymore, dude. he took his neck to foxsports
FWIW, Waters has been trying to steal the gf of a younger member of the most elite and EMAW fraternity on campus. That's probably not good for his PR.
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The Bill dementia concerns should probably get their own thread.
:frown:
The Bill dementia concerns should probably get their own thread.
This is the appropriate dementia thread. At least every 3rd post all along has been along the lines of "Is Bill even watching this?" or "How on earth can Snyder not see what the entire world sees?". Now we have the answers.
I wonder how many times each game OBz turns around to the Neek and is all "now who the eff are you?"
i will never understand the "keep the ferrari in the garage im taking out the jetta" group.
i will never understand the "keep the ferrari in the garage im taking out the jetta" group.
Nor will I, unless we are saving the ferrari for the exotic races and using the jetta for races against toyota camrys.
except it back fired when we lost to some hoser on his snow machine yet we are still sticking to the plani will never understand the "keep the ferrari in the garage im taking out the jetta" group.
Nor will I, unless we are saving the ferrari for the exotic races and using the jetta for races against toyota camrys.
how about you dicks stop talking crap on jettas
if we hadn't lost to the bison i would be alright with playing the lesser of the two QB's as far as schemes go but eff that now. we want a shot at anything we need our studs out there
I guess it's better to drive the Jake Waters of cars than the Carson Coffman :dunno:
those coaches shows are filmed pretty late at nightlol true. but damn, get it together bill
those coaches shows are filmed pretty late at night
No doubt. And I like that!those coaches shows are filmed pretty late at night
He was very confident that Sams had made the pass and was throwing it in all the anti-#life'rs' faces.
No doubt. And I like that!those coaches shows are filmed pretty late at night
He was very confident that Sams had made the pass and was throwing it in all the anti-#life'rs' faces.
But he wasn't confused about anything. He just made an honest mistake. I doubt he sits down and rewatches the film or anything after the game and before the coach's show.
waters is smirnoff.
sams is stoli. (#1 best vodka)
Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
drugs?
his mind.
waters is smirnoff.
sams is stoli. (#1 best vodka)
Has to be something other than smirnoff. That too easily makes smirnoffman, even though we've long gone with viakoffman.
waters is smirnoff.
sams is stoli. (#1 best vodka)
Has to be something other than smirnoff. That too easily makes smirnoffman, even though we've long gone with viakoffman.
Vodka1415
http://www.vodka14.com (http://www.vodka14.com)
:dunno:
Couldn't find any clever names and couldn't find a tie in to McCormick's
waters is smirnoff.
sams is stoli. (#1 best vodka)
Has to be something other than smirnoff. That too easily makes smirnoffman, even though we've long gone with viakoffman.
Vodka1415
http://www.vodka14.com (http://www.vodka14.com)
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Couldn't find any clever names and couldn't find a tie in to McCormick's
I think the appropriate response here is: Well, Waters is water. It wants to be vodka, looks like vodka, but doesn't hold a candle in the wind to the real stuff.
Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
I'm not being indignant and in my opinion, I think you're wrong about this. I think he legitimately thought Sams threw it. I think it's a fairly easy mistake to make, given that we use two quarterbacks pretty interchangeably. Had he said this last year i would've thought it was much stranger. Had he said it during the coaches call today, I would've thought it was much stranger. But it was late at night after a game without having watched the film. And because I think it's an easy mistake to make, I think it's a little unfair for people to shout "dementia!"Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
Why so indignant? Should we not discuss how the man forgot who threw that pass and then decided to lecture whomever about slighting the person who didn't throw the pass? It isn't like he just called Waters Sams and then quickly corrected himself, he put at least a couple of seconds of thought of the significance of Sams throwing that pass.
Maybe he intended to give this lecture last week when Sams completed the pass and he was pissed Wyatt didn't give him the opportunity to lecture his assistant coaches and racist tucks.
I'm not being indignant and in my opinion, I think you're wrong about this. I think he legitimately thought Sams threw it. I think it's a fairly easy mistake to make, given that we use two quarterbacks pretty interchangeably. Had he said this last year i would've thought it was much stranger. And because I think it's an easy mistake to make, I think it's a little unfair for people to shout "dementia!" about a coach who brought us ridiculous success over the last two years.Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
Why so indignant? Should we not discuss how the man forgot who threw that pass and then decided to lecture whomever about slighting the person who didn't throw the pass? It isn't like he just called Waters Sams and then quickly corrected himself, he put at least a couple of seconds of thought of the significance of Sams throwing that pass.
Maybe he intended to give this lecture last week when Sams completed the pass and he was pissed Wyatt didn't give him the opportunity to lecture his assistant coaches and racist tucks.
I'm very "meh" about Snyder thinking it was Sams who threw the TD to Gronk, is what I'm saying.
I'm not being indignant and in my opinion, I think you're wrong about this. I think he legitimately thought Sams threw it. I think it's a fairly easy mistake to make, given that we use two quarterbacks pretty interchangeably. Had he said this last year i would've thought it was much stranger. And because I think it's an easy mistake to make, I think it's a little unfair for people to shout "dementia!" about a coach who brought us ridiculous success over the last two years.Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
Why so indignant? Should we not discuss how the man forgot who threw that pass and then decided to lecture whomever about slighting the person who didn't throw the pass? It isn't like he just called Waters Sams and then quickly corrected himself, he put at least a couple of seconds of thought of the significance of Sams throwing that pass.
Maybe he intended to give this lecture last week when Sams completed the pass and he was pissed Wyatt didn't give him the opportunity to lecture his assistant coaches and racist tucks.
I'm very "meh" about Snyder thinking it was Sams who threw the TD to Gronk, is what I'm saying.
Agreed its pretty "meh" in the fact we won and it's over but eff around if you think he made an honest mistake. If that's the case we have bigger problems than i thought. Dlew you are great but that crap is unacceptable, he makes more than the governor of our great state. I am not saying he needs to go but goodness at least know who you have in the game
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.
I'm not being indignant and in my opinion, I think you're wrong about this. I think he legitimately thought Sams threw it. I think it's a fairly easy mistake to make, given that we use two quarterbacks pretty interchangeably. Had he said this last year i would've thought it was much stranger. And because I think it's an easy mistake to make, I think it's a little unfair for people to shout "dementia!" about a coach who brought us ridiculous success over the last two years.Yeah, like I said, Snyder made a mistake. Also, he's old. Must be dementia!
Why so indignant? Should we not discuss how the man forgot who threw that pass and then decided to lecture whomever about slighting the person who didn't throw the pass? It isn't like he just called Waters Sams and then quickly corrected himself, he put at least a couple of seconds of thought of the significance of Sams throwing that pass.
Maybe he intended to give this lecture last week when Sams completed the pass and he was pissed Wyatt didn't give him the opportunity to lecture his assistant coaches and racist tucks.
I'm very "meh" about Snyder thinking it was Sams who threw the TD to Gronk, is what I'm saying.
Agreed its pretty "meh" in the fact we won and it's over but eff around if you think he made an honest mistake. If that's the case we have bigger problems than i thought. Dlew you are great but that crap is unacceptable, he makes more than the governor of our great state. I am not saying he needs to go but goodness at least know who you have in the game
:flush:
You know, this could all be avoided if he would just leave Waters in full time instead of trying to monkey around with a two quarterback system.
I think he legitimately thought Sams threw it. I think it's a fairly easy mistake to make, given that we use two quarterbacks pretty interchangeably.
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.
he just mixed up names, that's all. He thought he was talking about Jake.
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.I suspect Snyder knew who the quarterback was at the time the play happened. Then, over the next two hours he got it mixed up. For the record, Sams threw a similar pass against ULL.
It wouldn't be a big deal most seasons, but we've been going through 3 weeks of wondering what on earth Snyder is thinking when every piece of information shows that Sams should be the man, and he caps it off with not knowing who was in the game. In light of qustions about his QB decision-making (or his not being the decider), him not knowing who's who definitely falls in a noteworthy spectrum somewhere between funny and outrageous.Don't get me wrong. I'm wondering what the hell Snyder is doing screwing around with Waters too. I just don't think that moment with Wyatt was significant.
It's not an easy mistake to make, tho. I can't imagine anyone else in the world made it.My dad made it last night. :shy: When I corrected him, he said "oh yeah, Sams made the throw last week against Lafayette."
It's not an easy mistake to make, tho. I can't imagine anyone else in the world made it.My dad made it last night. :shy: When I corrected him, he said "oh yeah, Sams made the throw last week against Lafayette."
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.
he just mixed up names, that's all. He thought he was talking about Jake.
No. Why was he talking about the mysQB being 2-2 and proving the people who say ___ can't throw wrong if he was talking about Jake?
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.
he just mixed up names, that's all. He thought he was talking about Jake.
No. Why was he talking about the mysQB being 2-2 and proving the people who say ___ can't throw wrong if he was talking about Jake?
I didn't hear the press conference, but the context about how he can make that kind of throw and was playing so much as a result felt like a "that's why we play Jake and not Sams you idiots" moment.
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.
he just mixed up names, that's all. He thought he was talking about Jake.
No. Why was he talking about the mysQB being 2-2 and proving the people who say ___ can't throw wrong if he was talking about Jake?
I didn't hear the press conference, but the context about how he can make that kind of throw and was playing so much as a result felt like a "that's why we play Jake and not Sams you idiots" moment.
He also made a comment about completing 75% of his passes which also points to referring to Jake.
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.
he just mixed up names, that's all. He thought he was talking about Jake.
No. Why was he talking about the mysQB being 2-2 and proving the people who say ___ can't throw wrong if he was talking about Jake?
I didn't hear the press conference, but the context about how he can make that kind of throw and was playing so much as a result felt like a "that's why we play Jake and not Sams you idiots" moment.
He also made a comment about completing 75% of his passes which also points to referring to Jake.
Daniel is completing exactly 75% of his passes as well (also did last season)
Well I guess this is where we will differ because I think it is a big deal when a coach doesn't know which qb is in the game making plays when he is platooning them, bigger when he doesn't know 2-3 hours later. I'm guessing that 99% of college football fans would have an issue with the same thing, doesn't make you wrong, opinions aren't wrong, just curious.I suspect Snyder knew who the quarterback was at the time the play happened. Then, over the next two hours he got it mixed up. For the record, Sams threw a similar pass against ULL.QuoteIt wouldn't be a big deal most seasons, but we've been going through 3 weeks of wondering what on earth Snyder is thinking when every piece of information shows that Sams should be the man, and he caps it off with not knowing who was in the game. In light of qustions about his QB decision-making (or his not being the decider), him not knowing who's who definitely falls in a noteworthy spectrum somewhere between funny and outrageous.Don't get me wrong. I'm wondering what the hell Snyder is doing screwing around with Waters too. I just don't think that moment with Wyatt was significant.It's not an easy mistake to make, tho. I can't imagine anyone else in the world made it.My dad made it last night. :shy: When I corrected him, he said "oh yeah, Sams made the throw last week against Lafayette."
Snyder said the same thing directly after the game.I might be. Do you have a link to that? Was it during the press conference?
QuoteSnyder said the same thing directly after the game.I might be. Do you have a link to that? Was it during the press conference?
“I think both of them played reasonably well. Daniel (Sams) did a nice job when he was in the ballgame. If you go back and look, I think the big play was when he threw for the touchdown which was a nice decision on his part and certainly a well thrown ball. Nobody thinks he can throw the ball, but obviously he knows how to do that. I thought Jake ran the ball fairly well as well, and it put some balance in his game. We did not collectively, over the course of the ballgame, throw the ball as well as we would like. It was probably 66, 67 percent, but hopefully we are a little bit better than that.”
QuoteSnyder said the same thing directly after the game.I might be. Do you have a link to that? Was it during the press conference?
i think he intended for sams to throw it, but some butthole kept waters in and he forgot.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Nevermind, that was easy.Quote“I think both of them played reasonably well. Daniel (Sams) did a nice job when he was in the ballgame. If you go back and look, I think the big play was when he threw for the touchdown which was a nice decision on his part and certainly a well thrown ball. Nobody thinks he can throw the ball, but obviously he knows how to do that. I thought Jake ran the ball fairly well as well, and it put some balance in his game. We did not collectively, over the course of the ballgame, throw the ball as well as we would like. It was probably 66, 67 percent, but hopefully we are a little bit better than that.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091513aag.html
Couldn't one of the kstateo.tv interns edited that thing?
maybe john wants it in there
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Nevermind, that was easy.Didn't Sams throw a TD pass to Rose?Quote“I think both of them played reasonably well. Daniel (Sams) did a nice job when he was in the ballgame. If you go back and look, I think the big play was when he threw for the touchdown which was a nice decision on his part and certainly a well thrown ball. Nobody thinks he can throw the ball, but obviously he knows how to do that. I thought Jake ran the ball fairly well as well, and it put some balance in his game. We did not collectively, over the course of the ballgame, throw the ball as well as we would like. It was probably 66, 67 percent, but hopefully we are a little bit better than that.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091513aag.html
Didn't Sams throw a TD pass to Rose?
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Bill lessening his control over the team and not knowing who's playing QB are interesting topics for K-State Wildcat football fans. Maybe you should join the conversation.
Good grief. So many whiney bitches on this board these days.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Bill lessening his control over the team and not knowing who's playing QB are interesting topics for K-State Wildcat football fans. Maybe you should join the conversation.
Bill is still 100% in control of how the QB's are being used.
Good grief. So many whiney bitches on this board these days.
If bill would play his best player and john would fire oscar, a lot of it would go away.
:embarrassed:Didn't Sams throw a TD pass to Rose?
No, and Ts & Ps on the dementia.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
wait, what? who said to fire anybody?
Nevermind, that was easy.This is kind of interesting,Snyder getting all defensive of Sams,unless he thinks he's talking about Waters :dunno:Quote“I think both of them played reasonably well. Daniel (Sams) did a nice job when he was in the ballgame. If you go back and look, I think the big play was when he threw for the touchdown which was a nice decision on his part and certainly a well thrown ball. Nobody thinks he can throw the ball, but obviously he knows how to do that. I thought Jake ran the ball fairly well as well, and it put some balance in his game. We did not collectively, over the course of the ballgame, throw the ball as well as we would like. It was probably 66, 67 percent, but hopefully we are a little bit better than that.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091513aag.html
whew. thanks for clearing that up. there were some major head scratchers there but I guess that settles it.So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Bill lessening his control over the team and not knowing who's playing QB are interesting topics for K-State Wildcat football fans. Maybe you should join the conversation.
Bill is still 100% in control of how the QB's are being used.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Bill lessening his control over the team and not knowing who's playing QB are interesting topics for K-State Wildcat football fans. Maybe you should join the conversation.
Bill is still 100% in control of how the QB's are being used.
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whew. thanks for clearing that up. there were some major head scratchers there but I guess that settles it.So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Bill lessening his control over the team and not knowing who's playing QB are interesting topics for K-State Wildcat football fans. Maybe you should join the conversation.
Bill is still 100% in control of how the QB's are being used.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
Bill lessening his control over the team and not knowing who's playing QB are interesting topics for K-State Wildcat football fans. Maybe you should join the conversation.
Bill is still 100% in control of how the QB's are being used.
I agree. I should have specified that I was referring to people floating the idea that Bill's loosening the reigns in prep for a HCIW situation and having a hard time with that transition.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
wait, what? who said to fire anybody?
You're the one that said "unacceptable."
Nevermind, that was easy.This is kind of interesting,Snyder getting all defensive of Sams,unless he thinks he's talking about Waters :dunno:Quote“I think both of them played reasonably well. Daniel (Sams) did a nice job when he was in the ballgame. If you go back and look, I think the big play was when he threw for the touchdown which was a nice decision on his part and certainly a well thrown ball. Nobody thinks he can throw the ball, but obviously he knows how to do that. I thought Jake ran the ball fairly well as well, and it put some balance in his game. We did not collectively, over the course of the ballgame, throw the ball as well as we would like. It was probably 66, 67 percent, but hopefully we are a little bit better than that.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091513aag.html
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
wait, what? who said to fire anybody?
You're the one that said "unacceptable."
What is your point?
This seems like a weird meltdown.
So we're going to fire Bill for this, huh? Idiots.
wait, what? who said to fire anybody?
You're the one that said "unacceptable."
What is your point?
Clue me in on the proper action to take when a football coach has done something unacceptable.
Also, I'm not even sure if it's unacceptable.
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 10m
LHC LHC Bill Snyder on Jake Waters so far: "I think he has played well with the exception of five interceptions."
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 10m
LHC Bill Snyder on Jake Waters so far: "I think he has played well with the exception of five interceptions."
Kellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 10m
LHC Bill Snyder on Jake Waters so far: "I think he has played well with the exception of five interceptions."
"Lorena Bobbit was a good wife with the exception of cutting off her husbands dick."
Also, I'm not even sure if it's unacceptable.
It's definitely acceptable. (I had to go back and see what we were actually talking about, ha).
can't say i disagree with StudLHOFHCBS's assessment on SDS.C. other than all of the interceptions he's played decent.
can't say i disagree with StudLHOFHCBS's assessment on SDS.C. other than all of the interceptions he's played decent.
yeah but besides that.can't say i disagree with StudLHOFHCBS's assessment on SDS.C. other than all of the interceptions he's played decent.
Nope, opportunity cost.
his TD % is very low and we can't run the ball with him in the game. also his fantasy football team name makes me think he's a huge loser. other than that though.Yeah and besides that too. Seriously, just overlook all that stuff and he's actually been pretty decent.
ok. besides all that stuff I have no complaints.
ok. besides all that stuff I have no complaints.
there was also that loss to the Division II team. Other than that and everything previously mentioned, no issues whatsoever.
ok. besides all that stuff I have no complaints.
there was also that loss to the Division II team. Other than that and everything previously mentioned, no issues whatsoever.
ok. besides all that stuff I have no complaints.
there was also that loss to the Division II team. Other than that and everything previously mentioned, no issues whatsoever.
Oh yeah. That too.
So besides the interceptions and his inability to run and the opportunity cost and Tinder and his touchdown percentage and how the offense is bad at running when he's in and his fantasy team name he's not bad at all.
I think kslimlb3 is wanting to add "bad at reading defenses when you have all summer to prepare for them" to the list.
So besides the interceptions and his inability to run and the opportunity cost and Tinder and his touchdown percentage and how the offense is bad at running when he's in and his fantasy team name he's not bad at all. And the first time out of the season.
that wasn't his fault. i thought it was strange people thought that was real.K... I got nothing then.
"I know this offense like the back of my hand."
"One-hundred-thousand plus? That's the situation I thrive for, to be in that type of predicament."
"I don't know what goes on when Jake's in the huddle, but when I'm in the huddle, I see guys excited when I go in. I talk my trash in the huddle -- 'Forget getting a first (down), let's go score.' I see that it rallies those guys, so I just try to keep it up with the same attitude and same confidence."
"I know this offense like the back of my hand."
"One-hundred-thousand plus? That's the situation I thrive for, to be in that type of predicament."
"I don't know what goes on when Jake's in the huddle, but when I'm in the huddle, I see guys excited when I go in. I talk my trash in the huddle -- 'Forget getting a first (down), let's go score.' I see that it rallies those guys, so I just try to keep it up with the same attitude and same confidence."
:Wha:
FYBS
"I know this offense like the back of my hand."
"One-hundred-thousand plus? That's the situation I thrive for, to be in that type of predicament."
"I don't know what goes on when Jake's in the huddle, but when I'm in the huddle, I see guys excited when I go in. I talk my trash in the huddle -- 'Forget getting a first (down), let's go score.' I see that it rallies those guys, so I just try to keep it up with the same attitude and same confidence."
Sams is probably my favorite player ever
it's like, i feel like i love him so much that i can't possibly love him any more. then he says something like this, and my heart grows even bigger to fit all the love in it. fybs, but go cats
"I know this offense like the back of my hand."
"One-hundred-thousand plus? That's the situation I thrive for, to be in that type of predicament."
"I don't know what goes on when Jake's in the huddle, but when I'm in the huddle, I see guys excited when I go in. I talk my trash in the huddle -- 'Forget getting a first (down), let's go score.' I see that it rallies those guys, so I just try to keep it up with the same attitude and same confidence."
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"I know this offense like the back of my hand."
"One-hundred-thousand plus? That's the situation I thrive for, to be in that type of predicament."
"I don't know what goes on when Jake's in the huddle, but when I'm in the huddle, I see guys excited when I go in. I talk my trash in the huddle -- 'Forget getting a first (down), let's go score.' I see that it rallies those guys, so I just try to keep it up with the same attitude and same confidence."
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"I know this offense like the back of my hand."
"One-hundred-thousand plus? That's the situation I thrive for, to be in that type of predicament."
"I don't know what goes on when Jake's in the huddle, but when I'm in the huddle, I see guys excited when I go in. I talk my trash in the huddle -- 'Forget getting a first (down), let's go score.' I see that it rallies those guys, so I just try to keep it up with the same attitude and same confidence."
this is one of the most beautiful quotes in the history of quotes.
making boner jokes in the back of class and being a little too pushy with his advances to a girl he sits by.to be fair, that probably describes a good portion of this bbs. myself included prolly.
making boner jokes in the back of class and being a little too pushy with his advances to a girl he sits by.to be fair, that probably describes a good portion of this bbs. myself included prolly.
Am I the only one surprised Sams has been given the green light to basically say whatever he wants to the media. I mean, aside from Klein, who was as robotic as Snyds, I can't really recall any of our players ever being made available to the media before games.
Am I the only one surprised Sams has been given the green light to basically say whatever he wants to the media. I mean, aside from Klein, who was as robotic as Snyds, I can't really recall any of our players ever being made available to the media before games.
Am I the only one surprised Sams has been given the green light to basically say whatever he wants to the media. I mean, aside from Klein, who was as robotic as Snyds, I can't really recall any of our players ever being made available to the media before games.
yes, it's very strange. And benching him is a lost opportunity developing a star.
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
Game time twitter is the best, regardless of how our coaching staff screws up our lineups.
Game time twitter is the best, regardless of how our coaching staff screws up our lineups.
Do people do twitter instead of chatting now?
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
:frown:Do people do twitter instead of chatting now?
yes
I don't twitter during games, who should I follow for this one?
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
What will be great is if sams starts and the first series is a 3 and out and then waters trots out for the second series.
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
What will be great is if sams starts and the first series is a 3 and out and then waters trots out for the second series.
agreed that sounds great
If you just can't get enough Kim Carnes posts and feel like he should take it up by a factor of like 10, then chat is where it's at.
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
I'm positive you won't be the only one.
I remember Ell, but admittedly I wasn't bbs'n at the time.Sams is probably my favorite player ever
Really? Are you too young to remember Ell?
Bill has Mack right where he wants him. Oh, you think we're going to run against your 121st ranked rush D? Psyche! Jake Waters drops back to pass.
god I will lose it on twitter. I will absolutely go nuts.
I'm positive you won't be the only one.
I will do it the best, tho.
If you just can't get enough Kim Carnes posts and feel like he should take it up by a factor of like 10, then chat is where it's at.ugh. has that what chat has turned into? I've been at every game so I haven't chatted or twitterered. guess its twitter for me.
Twitter is great because you can drunkenly @ new people.
Twitter is great because you can drunkenly @ new people.
Twitter is great because you can drunkenly @ new people.
it's absolutely the best for mocking people. 'member when jason king blocked rob cassidy because rob mocked him for liking twin peaks (the softcore hooters knockoff, not the excellent tv show)?
Twitter is great because you can drunkenly @ new people.
it's absolutely the best for mocking people. 'member when jason king blocked rob cassidy because rob mocked him for liking twin peaks (the softcore hooters knockoff, not the excellent tv show)?
Are we promoting twitter accounts here? @getnickwright got mad at me again the other night for my 610 thread. He said: "You're a grown man, posting on a message board, Solid life!" He also said I was bitter. :frown: But man, do I love twitter!!! :driving:
How well does chat work on a phone?
I don't twitter during games, who should I follow for this one?
Me and SD.
I don't twitter during games, who should I follow for this one?
Me and SD.
What are the @'s for you two?
chat is better for basketballhm...no
the time between plays (especially with our slothfenseTM) in football works perfectly for chat - hoops moves faster and it is harder to pay attention to both.chat is better for basketballhm...no
basketball chat is more fun, but I have a hard time keeping up with chat and watching the game.the time between plays (especially with our slothfenseTM) in football works perfectly for chat - hoops moves faster and it is harder to pay attention to both.chat is better for basketballhm...no
twitter is slower than chat which makes it better for football.
Plus chat during basketball season will likely be more entertaining than the dogshit on the court.
sorry to get back on topic here, but I keep having this thought that waters is going to start and play 99% of the snaps on Saturday. :frown:
i will meltdown right there in the stadium if waters plays the majority of the snaps and we lose.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/football/2013/9/19/4746490/daniel-sams-kansas-state-texas-longhorns
Daniel Sams - #LIFE (via video33productions)
http://www.burntorangenation.com/football/2013/9/19/4746490/daniel-sams-kansas-state-texas-longhorns
http://www.burntorangenation.com/football/2013/9/19/4746490/daniel-sams-kansas-state-texas-longhornsQuoteDaniel Sams - #LIFE (via video33productions)
:ksu:
...he'll be the best athlete on the field when he goes against Texas this weekend...:horrorsurprise:
MadCat, have you seen Sams foot planting ability? It's v-good. Next time you are caught not appreciating his lateral moves, just focus on his right foot and it's plantability.What I have noticed is how he makes it look like he is going to plant the LEFT foot, then says, PSYCH, and plants the right foot. I hope this weekend there is a play where he looks like he is going to plant the left foot, then says DOUBLE PSYCH BURN, and actually plants the left foot. That would be very awesome.
MadCat, have you seen Sams foot planting ability? It's v-good. Next time you are caught not appreciating his lateral moves, just focus on his right foot and it's plantability.What I have noticed is how he makes it look like he is going to plant the LEFT foot, then says, PSYCH, and plants the right foot. I hope this weekend there is a play where he looks like he is going to plant the left foot, then says DOUBLE PSYCH BURN, and actually plants the left foot. That would be very awesome.
So Waters is the worst starting QB in the Big 12? That sounds about right, honestly.
I haven't seen what teams those other QBs have played but I'm guessing our SOS plays into Jake's relatively shitty stats. Expect him to make up ground as we get deep into conference play.
I haven't seen what teams those other QBs have played but I'm guessing our SOS plays into Jake's relatively shitty stats. Expect him to make up ground as we get deep into conference play.
Only 1 out of every 14 Jake Waters' passes is an interception...
However
1 out of every 17.5 passes is a touchdown.
I haven't seen what teams those other QBs have played but I'm guessing our SOS plays into Jake's relatively shitty stats. Expect him to make up ground as we get deep into conference play.
Only 1 out of every 14 Jake Waters' passes is an interception...
However
1 out of every 17.5 passes is a touchdown.
I'm confident his ratio would be at least 1:1 if he hadn't been forced to go up against a who's who of ass whipping football teams in the non-con.
I'm confident his ratio would be at least 1:1 if he hadn't been forced to go up against a who's who of ass whipping football teams in the non-con.
Yet (yet) only three (3) Big 12 QBs can surpass his 9.6 yards per attempt on the season. And only four (4) surpass his completion percentage.
I'm confident his ratio would be at least 1:1 if he hadn't been forced to go up against a who's who of ass whipping football teams in the non-con.
Yet (yet) only three (3) Big 12 QBs can surpass his 9.6 yards per attempt on the season. And only four (4) surpass his completion percentage.
To be fair...
0 out of every 5 Daniel Sams' passes is an interception...
however
0 out of every 5 passes is a touchdown.
I also noticed that both of our QB's names end with "s" which makes me remember my possessive grammar rules.
To be fair...
0 out of every 5 Daniel Sams' passes is an interception...
however
0 out of every 5 passes is a touchdown.
I also noticed that both of our QB's names end with "s" which makes me remember my possessive grammar rules.
you can probably just use the actual number of passes for daniel until he gets to ten. like, 0 out of 4.
To be fair...
0 out of every 5 Daniel Sams' passes is an interception...
however
0 out of every 5 passes is a touchdown.
I also noticed that both of our QB's names end with "s" which makes me remember my possessive grammar rules.
you can probably just use the actual number of passes for daniel until he gets to ten. like, 0 out of 4.
True, but 0% is 0%.
Wow Jake is destroying Daniel in TD%
Wow Jake is destroying Daniel in TD%
To be fair, Daniel's completion percentage of 75% is 2nd in the Big 12.
Daniel has a 14% touchdown percentage when he runs the ball.
Statistically, if Daniel runs the ball 3 plays in a row, there is slightly better than a 36% chance that he will be in the end zone celebrating after one of those 3 runs.
Statistically, if Daniel runs the ball 3 plays in a row, there is slightly better than a 36% chance that he will be in the end zone celebrating after one of those 3 runs.
I'm 100% sure it would be after the last of the 3 runs.
Statistically, if Daniel runs the ball 3 plays in a row, there is slightly better than a 36% chance that he will be in the end zone celebrating after one of those 3 runs.
I'm 100% sure it would be after the last of the 3 runs.
No, that would only be a 14% chance.
Statistically, if Daniel runs the ball 3 plays in a row, there is slightly better than a 36% chance that he will be in the end zone celebrating after one of those 3 runs.
I'm 100% sure it would be after the last of the 3 runs.
No, that would only be a 14% chance.
No. If he ran the ball 3 times in a row, the dance would be after the last run (assuming it's on the same possession).
Statistically, if Daniel runs the ball 3 plays in a row, there is slightly better than a 36% chance that he will be in the end zone celebrating after one of those 3 runs.
I'm 100% sure it would be after the last of the 3 runs.
No, that would only be a 14% chance.
No. If he ran the ball 3 times in a row, the dance would be after the last run (assuming it's on the same possession).
The three runs wouldn't necessarily be on the same possession, though. There is a 0.2% chance he scores on all 3.
Daniel has a 14% touchdown percentage when he runs the ball.
that's almost 50% :eek:
I am totally going to read the last 30 or so posts about 100 times so when all of the dumbasses at the game start talking about Waters being the qb, I can blow their minds because STATS!:thumbs: but I will be to busy :lol: in their stupid faces to be pulling out stats.
Do you guys think this smells good? Is it a hamburger?
Sams is starting tomorrow. i can tell by his tweets.
Sams is starting tomorrow. i can tell by his tweets.
Sams is starting tomorrow. i can tell by his tweets.
Maybe the switcharoo has already happened and Waters is tweeting as Sams. The ultimate scheme.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 17h
Is it against the NCAA rules if I beg everyone to watch the game Saturday against Texas? That's not like promoting right? Don't miss out.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 17h
I feel like my team and I are ready for this one.
Drew Hilt ?@KSDrew12 16h
I feel like @DS4ms is really excited for the game Saturday. And that makes me excited to watch
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 16h
@KSDrew12 you're very correct. ????
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 2h
@TreDay50 they might not know son. But they gone hop on the bandwagon believe that.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 1h
I know my number 1 fan is ready for the game this weekend. My motivation. #BabyBro pic.twitter.com/sU9XSnYS5Q
I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
I am worried about when gravity stops one day. What then?
I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
honestly, he's going to eventually turn the ball over. he hasn't yet and he's done pretty much exclusively stud things. but that won't last forevor. eventually we probably won't score when he's in. I understand that. I'm not asking him to be perfect. I'm asking him to be better than the alternative. which he is. by shitloads.
honestly, he's going to eventually turn the ball over. he hasn't yet and he's done pretty much exclusively stud things. but that won't last forevor. eventually we probably won't score when he's in. I understand that. I'm not asking him to be perfect. I'm asking him to be better than the alternative. which he is. by shitloads.
The thing i don't get about #life is that LHCBS seems to love him. Let's him talk on all the radio shows, newspapers, etc. He's never done this for a starting qb before, let alone his number 2. Bill's eyes lit up when he was talking about him in the BS show this week. Is Bill torturing Wildcat fans everywhere on purpose?
The thing i don't get about #life is that LHCBS seems to love him. Let's him talk on all the radio shows, newspapers, etc. He's never done this for a starting qb before, let alone his number 2. Bill's eyes lit up when he was talking about him in the BS show this week. Is Bill torturing Wildcat fans everywhere on purpose?
another weird thing is that daniel whips ass on the football field while the other QB is medium pud.
OT. but have you guys seen how the guy we took Waters over is doing?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550021/nick-marshall
Bill's eyes lit up when he was talking about him in the BS show this week.
I really wanted Marshall more than Waters because I thought he fit Bill's system better. Everyone on the board had me convinced Waters was some kind of stud, too, though. :frown:
I really wanted Marshall more than Waters because I thought he fit Bill's system better. Everyone on the board had me convinced Waters was some kind of stud, too, though. :frown:
not me, I wanted neither. I wanted extra weapons for our guy daniel.
Yep the "competition" was over a long time ago. This thread should be re-titled SAMS vs schemes competitionThe thing i don't get about #life is that LHCBS seems to love him. Let's him talk on all the radio shows, newspapers, etc. He's never done this for a starting qb before, let alone his number 2. Bill's eyes lit up when he was talking about him in the BS show this week. Is Bill torturing Wildcat fans everywhere on purpose?
another weird thing is that daniel whips ass on the football field while the other QB is medium pud.
yeah, I wish we could sign a HS dual threat qb every year and really commit to what has worked.I really wanted Marshall more than Waters because I thought he fit Bill's system better. Everyone on the board had me convinced Waters was some kind of stud, too, though. :frown:
not me, I wanted neither. I wanted extra weapons for our guy daniel.
I always want a QB. The backup QB is a very important position. I just don't want the backup QB to start games when the starter isn't even hurt.
yeah, I wish we could sign a HS dual threat qb every year and really commit to what has worked.I really wanted Marshall more than Waters because I thought he fit Bill's system better. Everyone on the board had me convinced Waters was some kind of stud, too, though. :frown:
not me, I wanted neither. I wanted extra weapons for our guy daniel.
I always want a QB. The backup QB is a very important position. I just don't want the backup QB to start games when the starter isn't even hurt.
OT. but have you guys seen how the guy we took Waters over is doing?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550021/nick-marshall
THIS MY FRIENDS IS WHY I :love: goEMAW! :Woot:I'm most scared of Daniel getting the snaps that we all want, and then being ineffective.
Then what?
we all grow tits with zacker
Dr. Dementia telling the world that Sams can throw based on the GRONK TD pass is about 5 hours and 37 minutes in.
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=400109
He is going to get Tyler hit hard with the way he stares him down.ya, I think a dc that already knows all his players names could pick up on that
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We are going to lose 55 to 24, Waters will throw a couple garbage td's. Waters obviously was guaranteed the job, we are going 2-7 in league play.
so Sams thrashes the D for a 35 yd run and then gets taken out. makes sense
K-State Head coach LHC Bill Snyder
On the quarterback situation concerning all the substitutions...
"Sometimes they went in. Sometimes they came out. That’s what substitution’s all about."
If he doesn't start I am going to lite DKR on fire.
Yeah, as soon as Gooch walked up, I could tell he was, "ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE"! Probably didn't even bring any flint along to start a fire.If he doesn't start I am going to lite DKR on fire.
I never noticed the blaze.
:dubious:
:dubious:Yeah, as soon as Gooch walked up, I could tell he was, "ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE"! Probably didn't even bring any flint along to start a fire.If he doesn't start I am going to lite DKR on fire.
I never noticed the blaze.
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:dubious:Yeah, as soon as Gooch walked up, I could tell he was, "ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE"! Probably didn't even bring any flint along to start a fire.If he doesn't start I am going to lite DKR on fire.
I never noticed the blaze.
:dubious:
TSA took my lighter fluid.
How will we react when Waters, inevitably, starts and struggles.
What will our course of thought and action be?
How will we react when Waters, inevitably, starts and struggles.
What will our course of thought and action be?
Any ideas?
How will we react when Waters, inevitably, starts and struggles.
What will our course of thought and action be?
Any ideas?
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet. Snyder will play the best guy.i'm sure your source is A+. thanks for the info.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet. Snyder will play the best guy.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet. Snyder will play the best guy.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet. Snyder will play the best guy.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet. Snyder will play the best guy.Hey Curry, GTFOOH!
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
insider information, stats, personally watching both play. so, like, everything?
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
insider information, stats, personally watching both play. so, like, everything?
Yeah the coaches trust him so much they let him throw all over the field.
So eastcat and bucket are dumbasses
Confirm?
So eastcat and bucket are dumbasses
Confirm?
I don't know. maybe just got bad info? I don't know.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
insider information, stats, personally watching both play. so, like, everything?
Yeah the coaches trust him so much they let him throw all over the field.
so you're just going back to that? huh.
Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
insider information, stats, personally watching both play. so, like, everything?
Yeah the coaches trust him so much they let him throw all over the field.
so you're just going back to that? huh.
Seems like the most intelligent route. Who's more insidery than the staff? I guess it's possible Bill and staff have gone full respect over the off season...
Never go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) son, never, not ever... are you with me. :ROFL:Sams can't read defenses or make accurate throws yet.
he can do both better than our current starter
Based off of what? Your gut?
insider information, stats, personally watching both play. so, like, everything?
Yeah the coaches trust him so much they let him throw all over the field.
so you're just going back to that? huh.
Seems like the most intelligent route. Who's more insidery than the staff? I guess it's possible Bill and staff have gone full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) over the off season...
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245 people?
245 people?
Yea, sorry about that....i voted 243 times yesterday
Didn't want the bias to be too obvious. :dunno:245 people?
Yea, sorry about that....i voted 243 times yesterday
Care to explain why you voted for Waters 21 times? :dubious:
I say we stick with waters and utilize Daniel like florida used Percy harvin. WR/RB/wildcatqb/KR
I say we stick with waters and utilize Daniel like florida used Percy harvin. WR/RB/wildcatqb/KR
People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.
People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
well I think you are wrong because I think very little about your opinions on college football (and most other matters, but that's not relevant here).Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
The only decent offense in the Big 12 besides Baylor is TTU. Their defense should be able to crap all over teams like OU, OSU and Texas.
I think Baylor is worse this year.I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
Why wouldn't Baylor beat OU? They did last year and they are better this year and OU is worse.
well I think you are wrong because I think very little about your opinions on college football (and most other matters, but that's not relevant here).Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
The only decent offense in the Big 12 besides Baylor is TTU. Their defense should be able to crap all over teams like OU, OSU and Texas.
I think Baylor is worse this year.I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
Why wouldn't Baylor beat OU? They did last year and they are better this year and OU is worse.
well I think you are wrong because I think very little about your opinions on college football (and most other matters, but that's not relevant here).Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
The only decent offense in the Big 12 besides Baylor is TTU. Their defense should be able to crap all over teams like OU, OSU and Texas.
I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
I'm currently drinking the Mack Brown kool-aid and think he will beat Baylor.
doesn't matter :dunno: the defense is bad enough on its ownwell I think you are wrong because I think very little about your opinions on college football (and most other matters, but that's not relevant here).Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
The only decent offense in the Big 12 besides Baylor is TTU. Their defense should be able to crap all over teams like OU, OSU and Texas.
Also, name another decent offense. Texas? Oh, that's right they were complete crap after we lost to them (so said everyone on this board). OSU? Same thing. Name one other decent rough ridin' offense in the Big 12.
doesn't matter :dunno: the defense is bad enough on its ownwell I think you are wrong because I think very little about your opinions on college football (and most other matters, but that's not relevant here).Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
The only decent offense in the Big 12 besides Baylor is TTU. Their defense should be able to crap all over teams like OU, OSU and Texas.
Also, name another decent offense. Texas? Oh, that's right they were complete crap after we lost to them (so said everyone on this board). OSU? Same thing. Name one other decent rough ridin' offense in the Big 12.
probably not thodoesn't matter :dunno: the defense is bad enough on its ownwell I think you are wrong because I think very little about your opinions on college football (and most other matters, but that's not relevant here).Its not just because we played them close, it's because they clearly have severe limitations on defense. I never said they would run away with the B12.People are forgetting that Baylor is likely the best team we will face all year. We have a (small) chance of going undefeated the rest of the year with Sams (if he doesn't die first). Let that sink in for a second.I don't think that Baylor is very good. Will likely finish behind OU and UT (at best).
Because we played them close? Come on, before this game everyone said they would run away with the Big 12. Don't say they aren't good now that we played them close.
The only decent offense in the Big 12 besides Baylor is TTU. Their defense should be able to crap all over teams like OU, OSU and Texas.
Also, name another decent offense. Texas? Oh, that's right they were complete crap after we lost to them (so said everyone on this board). OSU? Same thing. Name one other decent rough ridin' offense in the Big 12.
Maybe you're just underestimating the awesomeness of Sams ability to run. :dunno: I think you need to estimate him next time.
how's this for a HOT TAKE:
Baylor's first loss is going to be in the MNC.
my angle is that I think Baylor is going to run the Big 12 table because i think they're the best team
how's this for a HOT TAKE:would take
Baylor's first loss is going to be in the MNC.
Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
Sexton needs to get the ball thrown his way more often. This kid as a large upside... he's white and from Kansas. Who knew???Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
To be fair to both QBs, the best receiver with TLBL and TT out is Curry Sexton.
Sexton needs to get the ball thrown his way more often. This kid as a large upside... he's white and from Kansas. Who knew???Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
To be fair to both QBs, the best receiver with TLBL and TT out is Curry Sexton.
Sexton needs to get the ball thrown his way more often. This kid as a large upside... he's white and from Kansas. Who knew???Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
To be fair to both QBs, the best receiver with TLBL and TT out is Curry Sexton.
tuck outed? :surprised:Sexton needs to get the ball thrown his way more often. This kid as a large upside... he's white and from Kansas. Who knew???Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
To be fair to both QBs, the best receiver with TLBL and TT out is Curry Sexton.
I knew! (only cause I follow recruiting to a degree)
:runaway:tuck outed? :surprised:Sexton needs to get the ball thrown his way more often. This kid as a large upside... he's white and from Kansas. Who knew???Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
To be fair to both QBs, the best receiver with TLBL and TT out is Curry Sexton.
I knew! (only cause I follow recruiting to a degree)
Sexton needs to get the ball thrown his way more often. This kid as a large upside... he's white and from Kansas. Who knew???Jake Waters: 6/15 passing without TLBL to bail him out over and over again.
To be fair to both QBs, the best receiver with TLBL and TT out is Curry Sexton.
I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
Why wouldn't Baylor beat OU? They did last year and they are better this year and OU is worse.
Since this is apparently the new big 12 champion thread I'm going out on a limb and saying I think tech can win this conference
How the eff does that even happen
I think Baylor wins the Big 12 now that Texas beat OU. Texas will not beat Baylor, and Baylor will not beat OU.
Why wouldn't Baylor beat OU? They did last year and they are better this year and OU is worse.
Baylor did not beat OU last year. The only league game OU lost was to us. But Baylor has them in Waco this year and I think they win that game for sure. Nobody is going to beat them in Waco I doubt anyone plays them close there. I predict they lose at ok state or TCU or both. They're not the same team on the road.
No real great QBs this year...so it's hard to tell, imo
No real great QBs this year...so it's hard to tell, imo
I was just thinking about this but I'm fairly certain that there are no senior starting QBs in the conference.
Case is a SrNo real great QBs this year...so it's hard to tell, imo
I was just thinking about this but I'm fairly certain that there are no senior starting QBs in the conference.
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No real great QBs this year...so it's hard to tell, imo
I was just thinking about this but I'm fairly certain that there are no senior starting QBs in the conference.
Petty will be gone though, not that it matters.
Spread QB's with unbelievable passing yardage do not get drafted nor make it in the NFL from TTU. :th_twocents:No real great QBs this year...so it's hard to tell, imo
I was just thinking about this but I'm fairly certain that there are no senior starting QBs in the conference.
Petty will be gone though, not that it matters.
The list of spread QBs drafted early is very very short. I'd imagine the list of spread QBs with 1 year experience getting drafted early is non-existent.
Since this is apparently the new big 12 champion thread I'm going out on a limb and saying I think tech can win this conference
How the eff does that even happen
Why do people keep saying this season is worthless?
I know it's disappointing but teams do carry over into the next year and we can still win 9 games
Not sure what the expectations were but any smart person knew we wouldn't repeat or win 11 games
I think this team is fun to watch and 7 or 8 wins would be fantastic at this point. It's definitely a billion times better than 09 and 10.
I think this team is fun to watch and 7 or 8 wins would be fantastic at this point. It's definitely a billion times better than 09 and 10.
Yes. Yes it is.
I think this team is fun to watch and 7 or 8 wins would be fantastic at this point. It's definitely a billion times better than 09 and 10.
Yes. Yes it is.
Because of one player.
our punt block unit gets me excited every timeI think this team is fun to watch and 7 or 8 wins would be fantastic at this point. It's definitely a billion times better than 09 and 10.
Yes. Yes it is.
Because of one player.
I like Lockett and Thompson. I like Hubert. I like Gronk. I like Mueller and Slaughter. (yes) Zimm and Daily.
Lots of guys really.
But yeah, #4ourguylife is pretty fun.
You know I really enjoy watching this team as it progresses. :cheers:Why do people keep saying this season is worthless?
I know it's disappointing but teams do carry over into the next year and we can still win 9 games
Not sure what the expectations were but any smart person knew we wouldn't repeat or win 11 games
it's really weird. I think this team is fun to watch and 7 or 8 wins would be fantastic at this point. It's definitely a billion times better than 09 and 10.
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Daniel Sams K State Wide Receiver. 21yrs Old. Team YS. Follow me on TwitWorld @DS4ms oh yeah #Life
luked? was this official?Quote#LIFE's instagram:
Daniel Sams K State Wide Receiver. 21yrs Old. Team YS. Follow me on TwitWorld @DS4ms oh yeah #Life
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Sams needs to be on the field, if this is the best way to do it, I'm for it
Sams needs to be on the field, if this is the best way to do it, I'm for it
2015 tho
If they plan to move our guy back to QB in 2015 I'd prefer he plays WR than RB in 2014. Hopefully it will help with understanding of the pass game and route trees. I'd prefer he gets a shot at QB next year, but like most on this board I'd rather have him on the field somewhere than not at all.
luked? was this official?Quote#LIFE's instagram:
Daniel Sams K State Wide Receiver. 21yrs Old. Team YS. Follow me on TwitWorld @DS4ms oh yeah #Life
I not trying to be a contrarian, but I don't get this position. I don't think we have ever seen him run a route or catch a single pass at D1. How do you know this is his best shot at NFL? Maybe he could be our punter , that's his best shot at NFL.If they plan to move our guy back to QB in 2015 I'd prefer he plays WR than RB in 2014. Hopefully it will help with understanding of the pass game and route trees. I'd prefer he gets a shot at QB next year, but like most on this board I'd rather have him on the field somewhere than not at all.
WR is his best shot at the NFL.
I not trying to be a contrarian, but I don't get this position. I don't think we have ever seen him run a route or catch a single pass at D1. How do you know this is his best shot at NFL? Maybe he could be our punter , that's his best shot at NFL.If they plan to move our guy back to QB in 2015 I'd prefer he plays WR than RB in 2014. Hopefully it will help with understanding of the pass game and route trees. I'd prefer he gets a shot at QB next year, but like most on this board I'd rather have him on the field somewhere than not at all.
WR is his best shot at the NFL.
Gonna win 'em all!
I not trying to be a contrarian, but I don't get this position. I don't think we have ever seen him run a route or catch a single pass at D1. How do you know this is his best shot at NFL? Maybe he could be our punter , that's his best shot at NFL.If they plan to move our guy back to QB in 2015 I'd prefer he plays WR than RB in 2014. Hopefully it will help with understanding of the pass game and route trees. I'd prefer he gets a shot at QB next year, but like most on this board I'd rather have him on the field somewhere than not at all.
WR is his best shot at the NFL.
Gonna win 'em all!
this has 0% to do with the NFL
I'm all for what's the best. He'll definitely take snaps in practice at qb too. Not worried. Get him on the field. I'm kinda excited about Waters SR season as well. His performance vs Michigan = :love:
Yep, and not god awful KU second half of the season Waters either, Sams had to pull the team out of slumps in a lot of those games too, Iowa State, TCU come to mind. People have taken way too much away from the Michigan game, which he was really good in, but he had some bad games in the second half of the season too.I'm all for what's the best. He'll definitely take snaps in practice at qb too. Not worried. Get him on the field. I'm kinda excited about Waters SR season as well. His performance vs Michigan = :love:
yeah, if we are giving him the reigns he better be second half of the season waters. if he's first half of the season waters we are going to be sitting at home at 5-7.
I'm all for what's the best. He'll definitely take snaps in practice at qb too. Not worried. Get him on the field. I'm kinda excited about Waters SR season as well. His performance vs Michigan = :love:
yeah, if we are giving him the reigns
do some of you think sams is going to be like calvin johnson or something? he should stay at QB.He's not changing for good! :nono:
I'm all for what's the best. He'll definitely take snaps in practice at qb too. Not worried. Get him on the field. I'm kinda excited about Waters SR season as well. His performance vs Michigan = :love:
yeah, if we are giving him the reigns
Was this just for fanning? I like to think it was.
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do some of you think sams is going to be like calvin johnson or something? he should stay at QB.He's not changing for good! :nono:
It's a lost cause having a real sports conversation with you. I'll tap out.do some of you think sams is going to be like calvin johnson or something? he should stay at QB.He's not changing for good! :nono:
he is better than waters
It would be extremely dumb to move sams to wr. Like, unbelievably dumb.
They'll still toy with him on the field, dorks. This is not a permanent change. This is the best case scenario for this season if Waters is going to start at QB.
They'll still toy with him on the field, dorks. This is not a permanent change. This is the best case scenario for this season.
:dubious: One of us has been paid to give their opinions about sports and the other hasn't. You tell me which one that is.They'll still toy with him on the field, dorks. This is not a permanent change. This is the best case scenario for this season.
fanning, you don't know anything about football or any other sport for that matter. so please just keep your opinions to yourself, thanks.
:dubious: One of us has been paid to give their opinions about sports and the other hasn't. You to me which one that is.They'll still toy with him on the field, dorks. This is not a permanent change. This is the best case scenario for this season.
fanning, you don't know anything about football or any other sport for that matter. so please just keep your opinions to yourself, thanks.
If you want to move him back in 15, he should be full time QB next year. How else would you expect him to improve?
#RipTate
:surprised: :frown: :cry: :bawl:
The truth is tough,
you're welcome guys
#waterswins :thumbs:
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 1h
“@VineVids: Best Juke Ever https://vine.co/v/hMHOdAvK2rj ”I swear I can do this. ???? man I wish he still played.
:D
This guy???
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/20DB2DBA0F1044113317481816064_1b02b88d115.4.7.4330056327023971866.mp4?versionId=EPrbVFqGaNSb7bR9yG111.LmUBo5IWzt
This guy???
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/20DB2DBA0F1044113317481816064_1b02b88d115.4.7.4330056327023971866.mp4?versionId=EPrbVFqGaNSb7bR9yG111.LmUBo5IWzt
no joke, this is exactly how i've pictured katdaddy
I wish I only could live up to this fine young man's athletic ability to keep up with the kat on his lease.This guy???
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/20DB2DBA0F1044113317481816064_1b02b88d115.4.7.4330056327023971866.mp4?versionId=EPrbVFqGaNSb7bR9yG111.LmUBo5IWzt
no joke, this is exactly how i've pictured katdaddy
The truth is tough,
you're welcome guys
#waterswins :thumbs:
It's really disgustingThe truth is tough,
you're welcome guys
#waterswins :thumbs:
Big surprise, known racist eastcat hates Sams.
don't know if luked, don't care. Daniel listed as a WR on his twitter profile.This should actually have it's own definition from luked. When you Luke a thing that's been luked several times, it should be called hazed. 'Grats, bud!
https://twitter.com/DS4ms (https://twitter.com/DS4ms)
You guys are going to be so pissed when Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein start ahead of him.Yes, I would be super rough ridin' pissed
You guys are going to be so pissed when Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein start ahead of him.
You guys are going to be so pissed when Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein start ahead of him.
Why "you guys"? Do you not like Daniel? :confused:
You guys are going to be so pissed when Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein start ahead of him.
Why "you guys"? Do you not like Daniel? :confused:
A.) I've already accepted it
B.) oh jesus christ
You guys are going to be so pissed when Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein start ahead of him.
Why "you guys"? Do you not like Daniel? :confused:
A.) I've already accepted it
B.) oh jesus christ
That he's going to start behind them?
Curry will probably, yes. I feel like Daniel can beat out Klein though. I will be pissed if he's behind him. Probably unrealistic expectations.
Curry will probably, yes. I feel like Daniel can beat out Klein though. I will be pissed if he's behind him. Probably unrealistic expectations.
Kyle Klein would start above Jesus Christ himself at K-State.
He'll be our second best WR and start regularly and just generally kick ass
He'll be our second best WR and start regularly and just generally kick ass
I like when wacky closes cases/threads with posts that wouldn't normally be closers of cases/threads
So what are the chances Sams actually moves back to QB? It would seem he would stick at WR with Ertz and now Delta coming in
I did. But Captain Case Closed suggested he'd be a QB his Sr.yearSo what are the chances Sams actually moves back to QB? It would seem he would stick at WR with Ertz and now Delta coming in
did you see his instagram account says he's wr
CASE CLOSED!!!
Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
You're dumb if you don't trust the greatest coach of all time.Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
CLOSED! Don't ignore progression. You're smarter than that, CNS. Jake #nails waters is well on his way!Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
Case open!
CLOSED! Don't ignore progression. You're smarter than that, CNS. Jake #nails waters is well on his way!Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
Case open!
CLOSED! Don't ignore progression. You're smarter than that, CNS. Jake #nails waters is well on his way!Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
Case open!
CLOSED! Don't ignore progression. You're smarter than that, CNS. Jake #nails waters is well on his way!Snyders not dumb enough to keep our guy buried on the wr depth chart if he indeed moves himNDSU tho. He's plenty dumb.
Case open!
He's still not as good as Sams. It's painful to think how good we could be this year if we had used last year to get Sams experience.
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
somebody post stats so i can make an objective comparison
somebody post stats so i can make an objective comparisonc-c-c-combo breaker
Our Guy....
1st in our hearts, 3rd on the Depth Chart at QB, and 6th at WR.
Our Guy....
1st in our hearts, 3rd on the Depth Chart at QB, and 6th at WR.
Our Guy....
1st in our hearts, 3rd on the Depth Chart at QB, and 6th at WR.
Waters, Ertz, Sams? Then. . Lockett, Sexton. . Klein? How is he not in the top three/four?
I guess I just assume he can catch, but has anyone seen how good his hands are? Seem to remember him dropping the football a lot last year. . . could be why he isn't higher on the depth chart?
Honestly I think Sams is just there because it's the beginning of Spring practices. I'd imagine Snyder is going to make him prove himself before he moves him up. Realistically I could see Sams as our #4 WR but no higher than #3. I'm no expert though. :th_twocents:
:horrorsurprise: What about the opponent sideline reaction.Half of the team and most of the coaches would have to run to the locker room to change their britches. They may just forfeit at that point.
if you can't trust daniel to pass, i'm not sure why you trust waters
if you can't trust daniel to pass, i'm not sure why you trust waters
I think it is entirely his ability to read the defense and make adjustments. It was noted last year heading in to the season that Sams was having trouble picking out disguised coverages which became apparent with a lot of his costly interceptions. On the other side I was impressed by how active Waters was at the line after seeing what the defense was set up as. Stud athleticism be damned, I prefer my quarterback to have high FBIQ.
The last taste of Cats football we all had was Waters and TLBL torching Michigan. I love Sams, but he hasn't exactly won us any games at QB.
ah, so you like your overthrows and interceptions to be thrown by a white guy. not that this is a surprise
I find it so weird that people are still arguing about Sams at QB. It's over. Sams lost. Waters won.
Now, let's root for our QB Jake Waters and our WR Daniel Sams. For crying out loud.
Waters improved a ton from the first game to last. Will be exciting to see how crazy good he'll be next year. His passes are fun to watch. He should do a trick shot video where he has to throw really far into basketball hoops.
agreed, I wouldn't want to play jake in a game of quarters tho. That skip game ridiculousWaters improved a ton from the first game to last. Will be exciting to see how crazy good he'll be next year. His passes are fun to watch. He should do a trick shot video where he has to throw really far into basketball hoops.
a more impressive trick shot from him would be throwing into the hands of receivers 10 yards away, one can only dream tho
Given how fast he improved comparative to other qbs on the roster, i think he will do just fine! Easier to get short passes down when you already throw deep better than most NFL starters, rather than trying to develop the long ball.
He's undoubtedly gonna put up big numbers, and could very well be in the Heisman race early on if we get by auburn. Him or lockett :emawkid:
daniel sams is going to make him look so good!
DAT YAC :love: :love: :love:
Thanks, Madden.Given how fast he improved comparative to other qbs on the roster, i think he will do just fine! Easier to get short passes down when you already throw deep better than most NFL starters, rather than trying to develop the long ball.
He's undoubtedly gonna put up big numbers, and could very well be in the Heisman race early on if we get by auburn. Him or lockett :emawkid:
You are exaggerating his talents to the extreme. He does throw a nice deep ball, which makes his inability to complete the shorter throws frustrating. You have to be able to complete shorter throws to keep the chains moving
I think he'll have a tough time separating.i don't know what this means and neither do you.
Given how fast he improved comparative to other qbs on the roster, i think he will do just fine! Easier to get short passes down when you already throw deep better than most NFL starters, rather than trying to develop the long ball.
He's undoubtedly gonna put up big numbers, and could very well be in the Heisman race early on if we get by auburn. Him or lockett :emawkid:
You are exaggerating his talents to the extreme. He does throw a nice deep ball, which makes his inability to complete the shorter throws frustrating. You have to be able to complete shorter throws to keep the chains moving
Thanks, Madden.Given how fast he improved comparative to other qbs on the roster, i think he will do just fine! Easier to get short passes down when you already throw deep better than most NFL starters, rather than trying to develop the long ball.
He's undoubtedly gonna put up big numbers, and could very well be in the Heisman race early on if we get by auburn. Him or lockett :emawkid:
You are exaggerating his talents to the extreme. He does throw a nice deep ball, which makes his inability to complete the shorter throws frustrating. You have to be able to complete shorter throws to keep the chains moving
2. Jake Waters, Kansas State (SR):ksu:
After a successful two-year stint at Iowa Western Community College, Waters continued to perform at a high level in his first season as Kansas State’s starter. Waters started all 13 games for the Wildcats, throwing for 2,469 yards and 18 touchdowns. He completed 61.2 percent of his throws and tossed only nine interceptions on 260 attempts. Waters’ success wasn’t just limited to the air, as he added 312 rushing yards and six touchdowns on 118 attempts. Daniel Sams received some time under center last year, but he is expected to lineup at receiver in 2014. With Sams, Tyler Lockett, Curry Sexton and junior college recruit Andre Davis returning as pass catchers, Waters will be throwing to one of the Big 12’s top receiving groups. And with another offseason to work with co-coordinators Dana Dimel and Del Miller, Waters is primed for a solid year in Manhattan.
ebullient
what do you think waters will do after he graduates? i bet he'll be a guidance counselor.
Short stint as backup QB in the pros, then model for men's razors.
Probably still getting played doing something he likes. :dunno: Lucky bastard!
I'm supremely confident that Waters will have a good year.
Yes, he had better.I'm supremely confident that Waters will have a good year.
he effing better
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Re: Anyone watching the 1st Spring Presser on K-StateHDTV?
« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2014, 09:16:27 PM »QuoteQuote from: WackySquawk08 on April 08, 2014, 09:13:28 PM
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again.
NDSU/Texas = beginning of the year. You might want to recheck that OU game.
I mean sure except for the fact that no one has implied that. Just that Sams is better. Waters was great against NDSU, Texas, OU, etc., wasn't he?
The OU game where 2 of his 3 TDs to lockett were completely made by lockett and would have been an absolute disgrace if he missed them? He was also absolutely awful against KU.
and THAT'S!!! Jack Stack.lol
Lol at waters in the nfl :lol: :lol: :lol::confused: Who said that?
That only happened tho cause of the seperation from Lockett. Otherwise, that's a shitty throw, amirite (whatever dumbass who tried to argue that being the case the other day, but I don't remember your name, cause you're irrelevant)? :curse::lol:
Expect a lot of these:
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Short stint as backup QB in the pros, then model for men's razors.
everybody relax w/ the NFL talk for Christ sakes. He's pretty short fwiw. He's no Drew Brees. Yet!Do I think he'll be in the NFL? Highly doubt it. However fellow gE'ers, raise your hand if you Chase Daniel would have any sort of real career in the NFL? Now, to you that raised your hands, put them down, you're a rough ridin' liar and should be ashamed of yourself.
That only happened tho cause of the seperation from Lockett. Otherwise, that's a shitty throw, amirite (whatever dumbass who tried to argue that being the case the other day, but I don't remember your name, cause you're irrelevant)? :curse:
My guess is Lockett will be a step slow this season due to his injuryWon't matter with the line up at receiver this season. We're stacked. :billdance:
My guess is Lockett will be a step slow this season due to his injury
My guess is Lockett will be a step slow this season due to his injury
We don't even know what the injury is. Sounds like a minor injury and that he's only missing out on Spring practice.
My guess is Lockett will be a step slow this season due to his injuryWon't matter with the line up at receiver this season. We're stacked. :billdance:
everybody relax w/ the NFL talk for Christ sakes. He's pretty short fwiw. He's no Drew Brees. Yet!Do I think he'll be in the NFL? Highly doubt it. However fellow gE'ers, raise your hand if you Chase Daniel would have any sort of real career in the NFL? Now, to you that raised your hands, put them down, you're a rough ridin' liar and should be ashamed of yourself.
No crap, dumbass? I was mocking the dumbass who thinks the only reason why jake completed throws last year, is cause TLBL created space. He made it sound like Jake couldn't put it in the right place. :lol:That only happened tho cause of the seperation from Lockett. Otherwise, that's a shitty throw, amirite (whatever dumbass who tried to argue that being the case the other day, but I don't remember your name, cause you're irrelevant)? :curse:
The more I watch it, the more it seems like Jake threw a perfect dime that only TLBL could catch. :dunno:
Well sure, and if he had never went to JUCO, I would say he has virtually no chance for that kind of jump going into his senior year. But the point is that a QB with decent arm strength and undersized can still make the NFL. He'll have to make good decisions this year and make a modest improvement in his accuracy. Not something I would bet on, but not something I would bet against either.everybody relax w/ the NFL talk for Christ sakes. He's pretty short fwiw. He's no Drew Brees. Yet!Do I think he'll be in the NFL? Highly doubt it. However fellow gE'ers, raise your hand if you Chase Daniel would have any sort of real career in the NFL? Now, to you that raised your hands, put them down, you're a rough ridin' liar and should be ashamed of yourself.
If Waters can become as good as Chase Daniel, then he has a pretty good shot. He's got a long, long way to go, though.
MODS please change thread name to : "2014 QB Competition: Waters vs. Hubener"
Just thought I'd drop by to shine some #light on the probable impetus behind the creation of #LifeWaters. Your boy is probably a raging alcoholic, because "life water" is a transliteration of the Latin word for alcohol - aqua vitaeDo you have sig pics turned off? We have had this established for some time.
MODS please change thread name to : "2014 QB Competition: Waters vs. Hubener"
I think Ertz is the dark horse. Or dark touchdown, if you will.
MODS please change thread name to : "2014 QB Competition: Waters vs. Hubener"
I think Ertz is the dark horse. Or dark touchdown, if you will.
Ertz is pretty meh according to people who know stuff about junk
Just thought I'd drop by to shine some #light on the probable impetus behind the creation of #LifeWaters. Your boy is probably a raging alcoholic, because "life water" is a transliteration of the Latin word for alcohol - aqua vitaeDo you have sig pics turned off? We have had this established for some time.
Also, "Our Boys" can drink alcohol without being alcoholics.
MODS please change thread name to : "2014 QB Competition: Waters vs. Hubener"
I think Ertz is the dark horse. Or dark touchdown, if you will.
Ertz is pretty meh according to people who know stuff about junk
Well that hurts.Just thought I'd drop by to shine some #light on the probable impetus behind the creation of #LifeWaters. Your boy is probably a raging alcoholic, because "life water" is a transliteration of the Latin word for alcohol - aqua vitaeDo you have sig pics turned off? We have had this established for some time.
Also, "Our Boys" can drink alcohol without being alcoholics.
I just searched "vitae" and the only hit was someone talking about a c.v. Sorry, slob.
Well that hurts.Just thought I'd drop by to shine some #light on the probable impetus behind the creation of #LifeWaters. Your boy is probably a raging alcoholic, because "life water" is a transliteration of the Latin word for alcohol - aqua vitaeDo you have sig pics turned off? We have had this established for some time.
Also, "Our Boys" can drink alcohol without being alcoholics.
I just searched "vitae" and the only hit was someone talking about a c.v. Sorry, slob.
I was referring to the established French translation of Life/Water:
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Le plus grand faible des hommes, c'est l'amour qu'ils ont de la vie.Well that hurts.Just thought I'd drop by to shine some #light on the probable impetus behind the creation of #LifeWaters. Your boy is probably a raging alcoholic, because "life water" is a transliteration of the Latin word for alcohol - aqua vitaeDo you have sig pics turned off? We have had this established for some time.
Also, "Our Boys" can drink alcohol without being alcoholics.
I just searched "vitae" and the only hit was someone talking about a c.v. Sorry, slob.
I was referring to the established French translation of Life/Water:
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well pardonnez moi
Is hubs a walk-on still?
Le plus grand faible de Jacque Eaus, c'est l'amour qu'il a de l'eau de vie.
Le plus grand faible de Jacque Eaus, c'est l'amour qu'il a de l'eau de vie.:eek: :lol:
:surprised:Waters adjusted QBR was better than everyone in the league over last 6 weeks of the season too.
•Kansas State's Daniel Sams, who has moved to receiver, converted 68.4 percent of his third-down throws into first downs, which led all Big 12 quarterbacks who started a game in 2013. Sams' percentage is impressive, but he only averaged 4.08 passes per game last season, making the number a bit misleading. Nonetheless, Sams was a more productive quarterback than it may seem, as he finished among the top-5 quarterbacks in the Big 12 in multiple categories, including adjusted QBR (68.3 on a scale of 0-100 with 50 being average) and yards per pass attempt (8.53).
•One potential reason for Sams’ move? He was intercepted on 7.5 percent of his pass attempts, easily the worst in the Big 12.
•Waters was extremely efficient for Kansas State with 65.4 percent of his completions going for first downs or touchdowns. Only Petty and Sams had better percentages in 2013.
You forgot to add "when Sams was effectively benched":surprised:Waters adjusted QBR was better than everyone in the league over last 6 weeks of the season too.
•Kansas State's Daniel Sams, who has moved to receiver, converted 68.4 percent of his third-down throws into first downs, which led all Big 12 quarterbacks who started a game in 2013. Sams' percentage is impressive, but he only averaged 4.08 passes per game last season, making the number a bit misleading. Nonetheless, Sams was a more productive quarterback than it may seem, as he finished among the top-5 quarterbacks in the Big 12 in multiple categories, including adjusted QBR (68.3 on a scale of 0-100 with 50 being average) and yards per pass attempt (8.53).
•One potential reason for Sams’ move? He was intercepted on 7.5 percent of his pass attempts, easily the worst in the Big 12.
•Waters was extremely efficient for Kansas State with 65.4 percent of his completions going for first downs or touchdowns. Only Petty and Sams had better percentages in 2013.
Is this the appropriate place to post that I saw ourguy on campus with a cast on his hand/thumb? Sorry if luked
Int every 8 passes? Ewwww!
Im just glad sams is in the position for his best shot at the nfl. Srsly he deserves all the success in the world with his athleticism, work ethic, and attitude
When he's a Heisman finalist for the #1 ranked and undefeated Wildcats in late November I think that will change.
I hope that changes and he seems like a good guy, but I don't think it will. :cry:
Sometimes I get all excited about the upcoming KSU Cats football season and then I remember that Daniel Sams isn't going to be our QB and I get so :frown:, you guys.
I mean I would be so #TeamWaters if I had never known #LiFE existed, but right now I feel about as attached to him as I did to Grant Gregory. Feel much more invested in #LiFE and Mr. Touchdown and Highsteppercat than in Jake. I hope that changes and he seems like a good guy, but I don't think it will. :cry:
Anyway, go 'Cats. Keep living to inspire me forever, @DS4ms!
Sometimes I get all excited about the upcoming KSU Cats football season and then I remember that Daniel Sams isn't going to be our QB and I get so :frown:, you guys.
I mean I would be so #TeamWaters if I had never known #LiFE existed, but right now I feel about as attached to him as I did to Grant Gregory. Feel much more invested in #LiFE and Mr. Touchdown and Highsteppercat than in Jake. I hope that changes and he seems like a good guy, but I don't think it will. :cry:
Anyway, go 'Cats. Keep living to inspire me forever, @DS4ms!
Why are you so invested in a player, are you 12
Sometimes I get all excited about the upcoming KSU Cats football season and then I remember that Daniel Sams isn't going to be our QB and I get so :frown:, you guys.
I mean I would be so #TeamWaters if I had never known #LiFE existed, but right now I feel about as attached to him as I did to Grant Gregory. Feel much more invested in #LiFE and Mr. Touchdown and Highsteppercat than in Jake. I hope that changes and he seems like a good guy, but I don't think it will. :cry:
Anyway, go 'Cats. Keep living to inspire me forever, @DS4ms!
60 TD bombs by life waters will wash away the pain.
dnr
I Know Sams at qb is long gone, but why did he switch To WR? Wouldn't he be better at Rb/don't we need more help at Rb?This is not a slam against #Life, but I think he would get his ass kicked at that position. We don't want our 2015 QB hurt.
I Know Sams at qb is long gone, but why did he switch To WR? Wouldn't he be better at Rb/don't we need more help at Rb?This is not a slam against #Life, but I think he would get his ass kicked at that position. We don't want our 2015 QB hurt.
I'm about 5% confident he is.I Know Sams at qb is long gone, but why did he switch To WR? Wouldn't he be better at Rb/don't we need more help at Rb?This is not a slam against #Life, but I think he would get his ass kicked at that position. We don't want our 2015 QB hurt.
How confident are we he's our 2015 QB?
I didn't think so either, but Trevone Boykin moved back to QB after one year at WR for TCU. So there's that :dunno:
http://www.spiraldeliverysystem.com/about.html:lol:
I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I think it will be Mr. Touchdown.
I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I think it will be Mr. Touchdown.
we are in big trouble if it is
That's not acceptable.I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I think it will be Mr. Touchdown.
we are in big trouble if it is
We will probably win 6-7 games.
That's not acceptable.I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I think it will be Mr. Touchdown.
we are in big trouble if it is
We will probably win 6-7 games.
I don't think LHCBS will accept it.That's not acceptable.I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I think it will be Mr. Touchdown.
we are in big trouble if it is
We will probably win 6-7 games.
I've already accepted it.
I don't think LHCBS will accept it.That's not acceptable.I don't think he'll be the QB then.It's either him or the red shirt freshman. I think the Wizard will override the #Life hating DD on this one.
I think it will be Mr. Touchdown.
we are in big trouble if it is
We will probably win 6-7 games.
I've already accepted it.
http://www.spiraldeliverysystem.com/about.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2043854-jake-waters-the-best-kept-secret-at-quarterback-in-the-big-12?is_shared=true?is_shared=true#articles/2043854-jake-waters-the-best-kept-secret-at-quarterback-in-the-big-12
:eek: :love:
So Waters decided to fully dedicate himself to football for the first time in his life—pouring over film and attacking the weight room.
QuoteSo Waters decided to fully dedicate himself to football for the first time in his life—pouring over film and attacking the weight room.
stopped reading here
"He prepares the way Peyton Manning prepares. That’s the approach he took," Strohmeier said.
"Jake Waters: Basically exactly like Peyton Manning"
- Bleacher Report
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Fixed.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2043854-jake-waters-the-best-kept-secret-at-quarterback-in-the-big-12?is_shared=true?is_shared=true#articles/2043854-jake-waters-the-best-kept-secret-at-quarterback-in-the-big-12
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By Sean Frye , Featured Columnist
Le plus grand faible des hommes, c'est l'amour qu'ils ont de la vie.Well that hurts.Just thought I'd drop by to shine some #light on the probable impetus behind the creation of #LifeWaters. Your boy is probably a raging alcoholic, because "life water" is a transliteration of the Latin word for alcohol - aqua vitaeDo you have sig pics turned off? We have had this established for some time.
Also, "Our Boys" can drink alcohol without being alcoholics.
I just searched "vitae" and the only hit was someone talking about a c.v. Sorry, slob.
I was referring to the established French translation of Life/Water:
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well pardonnez moi