Author Topic: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters (Read 318275 times)

chum1 · « **Reply #1050 on:** September 07, 2013, 11:47:26 AM »

I'd still like to give Sean a shot after Bill is done. So, this would be good news for me?

wabash909 · « **Reply #1051 on:** September 07, 2013, 11:56:56 AM »

Waters was Bill's safe choice, who unfortunately throws interceptions and sucks on third downs.

He'll be on a short hook today. If/when the offense blows ass again it'll be Sams' time.

Frankenklein · « **Reply #1052 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:36:45 PM »

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I am very interested in tearing Waters down. I mean he lost to a Division II school.

Yep.

I saw some earlier posts suggesting that it would be unlike Snyder to give the "decision" to start Waters to others....that does seem a tiny bit strange....but then there is this...

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Daniel Sams didn't win Kansas State's quarterback derby, but he scored a touchdown on his first touch of 2013 and had LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder promising him a bigger role in the Wildcats' offense, with Jake Waters remaining the starting QB. After that 18-yard touchdown, Snyder threw his headset down and ended up cutting his hand. Why?

"Because we hadn't put him in before," he said.

THAT is the THE most out of character thing I have ever seen from Snyder, apart from his retirement. I mean, the rough ridin' master of self control and careful thought blows up at the idea that they hadn't put him in before??????? Has he EVER been demonstrative about his OWN eff up before????

Never.

He's pissed at someone else. Call it Sean, call it Dimel, call it Miller....it's one or all of them.

IMO, Snyder is pissed that he trusted those fuckers against his better judgment....he's trying to groom one or more of those fucks to take over (read: SEAN), and it back fired and he was humiliated on national television.

THAT is why we have the unprecedented move of Snyder letting a MOTHER rough ridin' "BACKUP" QUARTERBACK TALK TO EVERY SWINGING MEDIA DICK IN SIGHT.
On his Thursday show Snyder said something like "When Sams scores 50 percent of the time he touches the ball he should be playing more" . It seemed to me that there was a bit of finger pointing in his voice

is he pointing it at himself? because the head coach decides who plays.
Why don't you listen to the recording you made of his show and figure this out for us TIA

why in the hell would I watch a LHC Bill Snyder show? TIA

Maybe because your dial-up connection was broke so you couldn't get on gE

eastcat · « **Reply #1053 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:37:14 PM »

@ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.

stick to basketball.

steve dave · « **Reply #1054 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:38:14 PM »

Quote from: eastcat on September 07, 2013, 12:37:14 PM

@ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.

stick to basketball.

yeah, ultimately they were LHC Bill Snyder's fault

Pete · « **Reply #1055 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:48:52 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on September 07, 2013, 12:38:14 PM

Quote from: eastcat on September 07, 2013, 12:37:14 PM
@ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.

stick to basketball.

yeah, ultimately they were LHC Bill Snyder's fault

Agreed. But only in as much as every boss who delegates to an employee who mumped up.

Snyder LOVES the crap out of Sams.

The TEAM'S troubles could be minimized by a strong run game, and the momentum created from big plays by a bad ass crap talking mother rough rider who take the team on his shoulders.

wabash909 · « **Reply #1056 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:53:53 PM »

Quote from: eastcat on September 07, 2013, 12:37:14 PM

@ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.

stick to basketball.

The offensive clown show was partly Waters' fault, as evidence of the two idiotic interceptions and the crap conversion percentage on third down.

p1k3 · « **Reply #1057 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:55:31 PM »

great insight from Pete here folks. Hopefully Bill doesn't eff around today

Pete · « **Reply #1058 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:57:24 PM »

Quote from: wabash909 on September 07, 2013, 12:53:53 PM

Quote from: eastcat on September 07, 2013, 12:37:14 PM
@ the people who think the offenses troubles were waters fault.

stick to basketball.

The offensive clown show was partly Waters' fault, as evidence of the two idiotic interceptions and the crap conversion percentage on third down.

I suppose their could be many explanations for the bad 3rd down percentage. One game is not enough to fully judge him. I am glad we have him. I just wish that he was holding a rough ridin' clip board.

wabash909 · « **Reply #1059 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:59:45 PM »

Pete, if the statue could talk what would he say?

Pete · « **Reply #1060 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:05:33 PM »

Quote from: wabash909 on September 07, 2013, 12:59:45 PM

Pete, if the statue could talk what would he say?

Probably wouldn't say anything....just a single tear from the corner of his bronzed eye trickling down his cheek.

Is the tear one of a father who must acknowledge his son's failure? Or is it one of a father-figure watching what may be the last in his line of brilliant young quarterbacks be squandered? Both, Wabash. The answer is both.

chum1 · « **Reply #1061 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:09:27 PM »

Why does it matter what Bill thinks of Sams? If he chose to delegate responsibility, it's still his fault.

Pete · « **Reply #1062 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:14:41 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2013, 01:09:27 PM

Why does it matter what Bill thinks of Sams? If he chose to delegate responsibility, it's still his fault.

It matters because it gives me hope. He can (will?) take back the responsibility, and set things right. The hope is that Bill will not suffer the negative consequences of opinions that he does not share for long. That's why it matters.

wabash909 · « **Reply #1063 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM »

Another question I was just thinking about is if the statue could recruit, would it? Or would he just be happy being a statue?

BackPayne · « **Reply #1064 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:19:34 PM »

If Bill was so pissed that Sams scored on his first touch, why didn't Bill take over and keep #life in for the rest of the game? That is what I don't understand.

chum1 · « **Reply #1065 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:20:24 PM »

I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.

Pete · « **Reply #1066 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:21:27 PM »

Quote from: BackPayne on September 07, 2013, 01:19:34 PM

If Bill was so pissed that Sams scored on his first touch, why didn't Bill take over and keep #life in for the rest of the game? That is what I don't understand.

My theory is that he is very conflicted about that. This season will probably be hell on earth for him.

BackPayne · « **Reply #1067 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:22:58 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2013, 01:20:24 PM

I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.

Who will we blame if Sams doesn't work well? Waters?

Pete · « **Reply #1068 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:23:59 PM »

Quote from: BackPayne on September 07, 2013, 01:22:58 PM

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.

Who will we blame if Sams doesn't work well? Waters?

Bill

wabash909 · « **Reply #1069 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:25:00 PM »

Del The Builder

chum1 · « **Reply #1070 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:25:16 PM »

Quote from: wabash909 on September 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM

Another question I was just thinking about is if the statue could recruit, would it? Or would he just be happy being a statue?

THE STATUE CAN AND DOES RECRUIT JUST BY BEING A STATUE!

wetwillie · « **Reply #1071 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:26:29 PM »

Quote from: BackPayne on September 07, 2013, 01:22:58 PM

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
I sure hope he doesn't take back the reins only to be wrong about Sams.

Who will we blame if Sams doesn't work well? Waters?

I don't believe a scenario exists were he doesn't "work well"

slobber · « **Reply #1072 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:30:44 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2013, 11:47:26 AM

I'd still like to give Sean a shot after Bill is done. So, this would be good news for me?

No, this is horrible news for you. It means you are a dumbass.

Gonna win 'em all!

Skipper44 · « **Reply #1073 on:** September 07, 2013, 01:32:10 PM »

Pete has nailed it again imo.

I think Dimel doesn't like/trust/believe in Sams and that is why he recruited the hell out of Waters. Snyder has delegated much of the decision making to Dimel knowing that Dimel as HC is the best way to guarantee Sean's continued eployment as an Associate Head Coach at a BCS school.

IPA4Me · « **Reply #1074 on:** September 07, 2013, 02:21:56 PM »

Quote from: Skipper44 on September 07, 2013, 01:32:10 PM

Pete has nailed it again imo.

I think Dimel doesn't like/trust/believe in Sams and that is why he recruited the hell out of Waters. Snyder has delegated much of the decision making to Dimel knowing that Dimel as HC is the best way to guarantee Sean's continued eployment as an Associate Head Coach at a BCS school.

Sounds right.