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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1900 on: September 15, 2013, 10:57:39 PM »
There's been a lot of jokes made here about whether OBz and and the staff is seeing what all of us are seeing.

On Snyder's show that's on right now, Wyatt brought up the GRONK TD.  OBz turns it back around and says something about how we have to remember who threw the ball and that people say Daniel can't throw but obviously he can.

So there you go.
wait wut?  did he just give sams credit for a throw that jake made?

Yes.  But I guess it works out if it leads to Sams getting the full-time job.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1901 on: September 15, 2013, 11:01:12 PM »
There's been a lot of jokes made here about whether OBz and and the staff is seeing what all of us are seeing.

On Snyder's show that's on right now, Wyatt brought up the GRONK TD.  OBz turns it back around and says something about how we have to remember who threw the ball and that people say Daniel can't throw but obviously he can.

So there you go.
wait wut?  did he just give sams credit for a throw that jake made?

Yes.  But I guess it works out if it leads to Sams getting the full-time job.
it's like he's trying to let the entire world know that it's not his fault sams isn't playing more.  so rough ridin' bizarre.
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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1902 on: September 15, 2013, 11:10:02 PM »
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along?  If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1903 on: September 15, 2013, 11:28:57 PM »
Well, the call was the same formation and a fake of the same play that Sams runs on about 90% of all of his snaps, so maybe Bill just forgot who was in the game when he called it.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1904 on: September 15, 2013, 11:46:41 PM »
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along?  If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.

It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1905 on: September 16, 2013, 03:13:31 AM »
I think Snyder has a lot less to do with our offense than everyone thinks.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1906 on: September 16, 2013, 06:35:38 AM »
I think Snyder has a lot less to do with our offense than everyone thinks.

Or he can't tell the difference between Sams and Waters.


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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1907 on: September 16, 2013, 06:59:31 AM »
gah! dementia! :sdeek:

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1908 on: September 16, 2013, 07:03:48 AM »
He is to old to be a D1 football coach

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1909 on: September 16, 2013, 07:19:57 AM »
 :frown: Snyds really is out of it.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1910 on: September 16, 2013, 08:12:51 AM »
I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat.  I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball.  I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1911 on: September 16, 2013, 08:37:39 AM »
I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat.  I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball.  I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1912 on: September 16, 2013, 08:40:33 AM »
bill has played waters more for one or two reasons:

1. he thought waters would be better
2. he wanted to hide sams and protect him from needless injury

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1913 on: September 16, 2013, 08:55:42 AM »
Few things:

1.  Have you guys noticed how Waters will pat the ball and even ( :sdeek:) spin the ball as he's in the pocket looking for a receiver?  You'd think they'd coach that out of him.
b.  His two good runs were on plays where he freaked out and didn't go through his reads.  After the INT he was afraid to throw the ball.  Head case.
D.  The talking about "if Waters had a legit RB he'd be okay" is stupid.  He doesn't, so move on. 
6.  Several fans around me left the game early after Waters came in on the last possession (maybe 2nd to last).  The fans demand Sams.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1914 on: September 16, 2013, 08:57:24 AM »
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along?  If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.

It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
wut?  that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.

people are just really confused and I, for one, find it fascinating that he's running sams out to the media, propping him up every chance he gets and voicing his frustration about his lack of playing time...as if it's not his final decision.  if snyder has been handing over more of the in-game decisions to someone else, I think that's a pretty rough ridin' big deal. I'd like to know whether it's sean or dana so we can direct our criticism at the right dumbass (ultimately it's still snyder's fault)...and properly meltdown if that person is in the running to be our next head coach.  last year there were a lot of people, including myself, that were saying they would be fine with dimel getting a shot as next head coach.  if he's the one lobbying to start waters over sams, that's a big deal.
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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1915 on: September 16, 2013, 08:59:12 AM »
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along?  If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.

It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
wut?  that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.

people are just really confused and I, for one, find it fascinating that he's running sams out to the media, propping him up every chance he gets and voicing his frustration about his lack of playing time...as if it's not his final decision.  if snyder has been handing over more of the in-game decisions to someone else, I think that's a pretty rough ridin' big deal. I'd like to know whether it's sean or dana so we can direct our criticism at the right dumbass (ultimately it's still snyder's fault)...and properly meltdown if that person is in the running to be our next head coach.  last year there were a lot of people, including myself, that were saying they would be fine with dimel getting a shot as next head coach.  if he's the one lobbying to start waters over sams, that's a big deal.

I think it would be del before it would be dana. just based on their specializations or whatever.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1916 on: September 16, 2013, 09:06:25 AM »
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along?  If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.

It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
wut?  that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.

people are just really confused and I, for one, find it fascinating that he's running sams out to the media, propping him up every chance he gets and voicing his frustration about his lack of playing time...as if it's not his final decision.  if snyder has been handing over more of the in-game decisions to someone else, I think that's a pretty rough ridin' big deal. I'd like to know whether it's sean or dana so we can direct our criticism at the right dumbass (ultimately it's still snyder's fault)...and properly meltdown if that person is in the running to be our next head coach.  last year there were a lot of people, including myself, that were saying they would be fine with dimel getting a shot as next head coach.  if he's the one lobbying to start waters over sams, that's a big deal.

I think it would be del before it would be dana. just based on their specializations or whatever.
well if he's letting del make that decision against his own better judgment then that's an even bigger deal.  because, wtf is he thinking?
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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1917 on: September 16, 2013, 09:10:46 AM »
Guys, remember when Bish would run backward like a million yards escaping pressure, rather than throwing it away, then would scramble a buttload more before blasting a 50yrd bomb to Darnell and stuff?

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1918 on: September 16, 2013, 09:19:44 AM »
I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat.  I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball.  I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.

if coaches aren't obsessively focused on winning then they suck. you'd suck as an old coach.

They want to feel like they are the reason for winning.

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1919 on: September 16, 2013, 09:31:37 AM »
I know if I was a 70yrd old coach or a 60+ yrd old coach on a coaching staff, I’d probably consider Sams a threat.  I mean, all that coaching knowledge you have, all the years of experience….but what Sams has you can’t coach – the “best” play is the one where you just snap it to Sams - you can’t do anything but just hand him the ball.  I’d imagine that has to hurt if you’re an old coach.

if coaches aren't obsessively focused on winning then they suck. you'd suck as an old coach.

They want to feel like they are the reason for winning.

they are definitely the reason we lost to a D2 school if that makes their old asses feel any better

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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1920 on: September 16, 2013, 09:44:01 AM »
They'll talk about his 19 yard run as evidence that he is a good runner but completely ignore that he had 2 players wide open for touchdowns but his panic in the pocket and happy feet didn't allow him to see them.

They'll talk about his TD pass to Hubert but ignore the fact that everyone in the stadium saw him open before Waters did, the crowd yelled for the pass before it was delivered, he was nearly late with the ball.

The Gronk play was awesome, great play design, would be nice if both QBs in this platoon had innovative playcalls to work with.
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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1921 on: September 16, 2013, 10:03:25 AM »
I mean, wut?


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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1923 on: September 16, 2013, 10:10:31 AM »
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Re: 2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters
« Reply #1924 on: September 16, 2013, 10:17:34 AM »
Why is it important that Snyder was a Sams guy all along?  If he wasn't, he could still change his mind now.

It somehow makes people feel better about the mistake.
wut?  that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  snyder is clearly rough ridin' this up and whether he is or isn't a "sams guy" doesn't make anybody feel better about it.

It definitely makes some people feel better about it. Also people like to believe Snyder has some grand scheme for a transition after he retires and love discussing it.

also my goodness that video. He's really just saying he is a Jake guy but mixed up the names.