Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
Post by: pissclams on February 27, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.
I really don't care when he's fired, it doesn't matter that much. For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO. Either way, I don't think it matters that much except to us fans who want the coach gone.
The real issue is whether or not Currie has started the process behind the scenes like any competent AD would do at this point. He should be going through back channels to talk to agents, etc. about level of interest.
Post by: KanSt43 on February 27, 2017, 11:20:56 AM
Post by: ednksu on February 27, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Post by: KITNfury on February 27, 2017, 11:35:17 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.Assuming we don't do what needs done to get to the NCAAs (which we won't), I want him fired before he gets to the locker room and the replacement announced less than 24 hours later just to drive home the point that he was a dead man walking for a while. Of course, I'm a Currie hater at this point too (probably unustified to a large degree, but whatevs), so I'd like them to help each other pack and move.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
Post by: BostonPancake on February 27, 2017, 11:39:06 AM
Circle of life.
Post by: rollingplains on February 27, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 27, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
Who invited this guy?2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
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Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
I felt the same way about Turner Gill and the other hefty coach you had that's name was not Mangino... cannot remember his name now.
Post by: #LIFE on February 27, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
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Whether you love him or not, coach oscar Weber has won a lot of basketball games. He may be on the hot seat in Manhattan but it may not be time to make a coaching change.
First of all, some believe oscar Weber’s Wildcats exceeded expectations this season.
Kansas State started strong with a 12-1 mark entering conference play. Only a 1 point loss to a tough Maryland team kept them from a perfect record.
As a result, the Associated Press recognized Kansas State for their hot start with 4 votes in the December 12, poll.
Also, the December 19, AP poll included the ‘Cats- with one vote.
Maybe fans should consider the national attention? Although it’s not huge, it certainly looked good at the time.
In October, coaches picked the Wildcats to finish 9th in the ten-team Big 12. By comparison, the same poll predicted Texas and their big-time talent to finish third.
oscar Weber’s team is currently sitting tied for 6th with two games to play. Shaka Smart’s Longhorns are tied for the Big 12’s basement.
Since Texas underperformed, maybe Smart should be on the hot seat rather than Weber?
The Wildcats play in the toughest conference in the country with an incredibly difficult round-robin schedule.
Ken Pomeroy, the guru who tracks college basketball strength of schedules and more keeps telling fans how good the basketball is in the Big 12..
Follow
Ken Pomeroy ? @kenpomeroy
Not only is the Big 12 the best conference, but it's the most exciting. 37% of games decided by 3 pts or less or in OT. No conference close.
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It is especially important for fans to remember Weber picked up a milestone career victory this season. On December 6, Weber earned the 400th win of his coaching career when the ‘Cats beat Prairie View 74-55. There is something to be said for his experience.
Coach Weber knows how to win. Due to injury and other factors we have seen few wins in February. Fans are understandably angry. They expected much more from this senior class. Did they expected too much.
Finally, fans didn’t like Kansas State Athletic Director John Currie’s choice to replace Frank Martin.
Did you know Martin has not taken a team to the NCAA tournament since his final year at Kansas State? His team went to NIT last season. They lost in the 2nd round.
It will be fascinating to see how Weber’s ‘Cats finish the regular season. Stay tuned.
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
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Post by: Tobias on February 27, 2017, 12:44:49 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 27, 2017, 12:47:00 PM
yeesh pretty low bar to write for the jug
bunch of ku posts and apparently follows some creepy swinger thing on twitter
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
Post by: dmartin on February 27, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
Post by: deputy dawg on February 27, 2017, 01:38:51 PM
Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.
Wow, I hate to think of the probability of that happening. The agony of watching yet another men's BB team giving up on oscar. Even my KU friends were expressing sympathy for the spectacle that took place in Norman on Saturday.
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2017, 02:00:17 PM
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Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2017, 04:11:19 PM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
It's probably not a big deal, but some coaches (and possible candidates) don't like it.
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2017, 06:29:34 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
Post by: Canary on February 27, 2017, 09:17:02 PM
My birthday as well. There are a couple of things I'd like more for my birthday, but that would certainly make for a better day.Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
Post by: _33 on February 27, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2017, 09:52:03 AM
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Post by: Joker on February 28, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
Still not fired. Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.
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I'm thinking he's been holed up in his bedroom, staring into the mirror Stuart Smalley style, reaffirming his positive qualities.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
No AD to fire him??
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2017, 11:25:27 AM
Not fired.... Why not?
No AD to fire him??
SD will update
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2017, 11:35:43 AM
;)
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
Zero issue with him being broken off, and as most, I think, agree, a year too late.
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
oh go take a ride on a moped
;)
YOU HEARTLESS SON OF A BITCH!
No, I just meant I am anxiously awaiting an SD update
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 28, 2017, 12:43:36 PM
Maybe fans should consider the national attention?
Dunno about you 33 but I can and do remember every team receiving votes for as far back as I can remember. Hell, I don't even waste my time with the top 25 I just go straight to the important ones... The RVs. You can't buy that kind of publicity
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Post by: Gooch on February 28, 2017, 01:46:59 PM
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Post by: pvegs on February 28, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
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Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.
He would definitely have my attention
Post by: slackcat on February 28, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 02:52:12 PM
Helping John pack.
It's like a bad sitcom where oscar is meekly handing his dad, JC, stuff who is being kicked out of the home for cheating with Sheila his secretary. Currie is having to explain that it's not his fault when deep down inside JC knows oscar's constant need for mothering, weird speech tutor appointments, and a host of other doctors and therapists meant there wasn't enough time for daddy JC and momma KSU could work on their relationship.
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 03:18:14 PM
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 03:18:47 PM
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
I have a Coyote hook up now, if you ever need it.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2017, 03:21:47 PM
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
Post by: Tobias on February 28, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
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Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
Post by: pvegs on February 28, 2017, 04:24:53 PM
Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
that was my pt saturday. you work with guys for 5 years and don't even know there names, jeesh.
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
Our Pete would never write a letter to the Ed with me co-signing
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2017, 09:08:02 PM
Why not: general myers busy with hocutt woo'ing?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 03, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
:driving: :ksu: :cheers:
Post by: cfbandyman on March 03, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: PIPE on March 03, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 11:56:57 AM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
Post by: Brock Landers on March 03, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
I also vaguely recall a rumor he was not allowed to ride home with the team but I don't think that's true, at least I hope not.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2017, 01:24:55 PM
He came home with the team.
It would be ridiculous if he didn't.
Post by: Pete on March 03, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 03, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
Why not: signature victory of shitty TCU or some crap?
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2017, 03:44:18 PM
Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
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Post by: Trim on March 04, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel
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Put him out to pasture, Greg.
*not sure if "out to pasture" is a cow or horse thing
Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnelAt the very least, drop your sblhorts, hang the shineyhiney over the rail, and drop an organic brown bomb on oscar while mooing.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 04, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Post by: Trim on March 04, 2017, 11:31:48 AM
Post by: Joker on March 04, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/838090682761887744
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Greg??It wasn't me but I can confirm that was the same goon that took my mask last week.
https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/838090682761887744
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Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 01:14:33 PM
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Post by: BackPayne on March 04, 2017, 07:58:48 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 04, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178937175957504
:buh-bye:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2017, 08:08:16 PM
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Post by: sys on March 04, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
Post by: Joker on March 04, 2017, 08:13:52 PM
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good)
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
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“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Post by: AppleJack on March 04, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Post by: TaqMan on March 04, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178157765214209
K-State sports gots lots of cancer problems at this point
Post by: schreds21 on March 04, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Oh man oscar!Quote“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Holy crap! What the eff does that even mean?
Post by: CHONGS on March 04, 2017, 09:05:14 PM
The only question is if goEMAW will be around long enough. I doubt it will.
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
Post by: AppleJack on March 04, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
Post by: BostonPancake on March 04, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
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Each practice starts with a quote on the whiteboard, and Weber has chosen this one from Rockefeller specifically: I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything
:facepalm: Taking a page from the Turner Gill coaching book.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.
His schedule was the first indicator that he felt heat as early as last April but the gE echo chamber chose to see that differently.
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2017, 04:17:29 AM
Why not: People who are in charge of making the decisions are maybe still idiots?
Post by: Pete on March 05, 2017, 07:06:13 AM
Post by: Joker on March 05, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
Oh man oscar!Quote“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Same article.
Quote
“Yeah, well, rules are meant to be broken,” he says.
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2017, 08:23:55 AM
Post by: pvegs on March 05, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 05, 2017, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 05, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.
Finally, an analogy everyone can relate to.
Post by: bones129 on March 06, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 06, 2017, 12:52:42 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
You're welcome.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Post by: KITNfury on March 06, 2017, 12:40:56 PM
Post by: Cire on March 06, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
Post by: renocat on March 06, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 06, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.
I really dgaf about either of those right now as it relates to who ran off whom. I just want Weber gone. That's all.
Post by: pvegs on March 06, 2017, 05:59:59 PM
"So, it may come down to Thursday’s game with Baylor. Win and K-State is in the NCAA Tournament and Weber is likely back for a sixth season in Manhattan. Lose and K-State may be in, but maybe not. And Weber may or may not survive to coach again.
Either outcome feels so very oscar Weber."
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2017, 06:15:41 PM
Feels so very Fitz.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
But now with Currie gone and the recent "success", I've just resigned myself to accepting he'll be back. If he's gone it will be a nice surprise. Actually an Altman type situation seems more likely than a Wooly at this point.
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 06, 2017, 06:57:21 PM
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Post by: That_Guy on March 06, 2017, 07:12:22 PM
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Post by: Tobias on March 06, 2017, 07:15:59 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2017, 07:52:39 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
Coaches leave town before the posse gets to them all of the time, it's becoming more and more common each season. Is there something different about oscar than these other coaches I am not seeing? Does he not have an agent?
As far as his fate with the administration goes, I think his fate, either way, was decided with Currie. His boss and his next in command are now in charge and I'd be stunned if neither of these guys had conversations with Currie while he was still here. I don't think Weber' s evaluation got a reset last Tuesday.
Post by: Trim on March 06, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
i need baylor -1
:emawkid:
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2017, 09:38:58 PM
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2017, 06:28:01 AM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Post by: kso_FAN on March 07, 2017, 06:30:40 AM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
Post by: CHONGS on March 07, 2017, 07:48:44 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 07, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
If was very _FWN to have optimism regarding a situation.
Post by: renocat on March 08, 2017, 07:31:52 AM
Post by: Bookcat on March 08, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+
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and since we're such a jeykll and hyde hissy fit of unpredicatbility...I fully expect that we'll either inexplicably shoot lights out, or can't buy a bucket.
Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 08, 2017, 08:16:58 AM
Post by: schreds21 on March 08, 2017, 07:37:04 PM
Seems pretty clear to me :dunno:
Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 08, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Post by: renocat on March 08, 2017, 10:22:26 PM
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article137002153.html#storylink=cpy
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2017, 06:57:27 AM
Post by: Joker on March 09, 2017, 08:13:53 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 09, 2017, 09:06:45 AM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
Post by: Joker on March 09, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
Basically. Except Tubby was able to close the deal with Pitino's players.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 09, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2017, 12:16:54 PM
Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
This looks accurate.
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Post by: Tobias on March 09, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
Post by: WildcatPower on March 09, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
We regret to inform you from the office of "Big XII Conference Tournament Play" have rejected your request for oscar Weber to be publicly fired.
Regards,
Big XII Commish.
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Post by: fun muffin on March 10, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Please don't choose us.
Your friend,
fun muffin
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 10, 2017, 10:29:31 PM
Lol JK, I can't handle this crap
I have this same internal dialogue every time the cats play.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2017, 01:36:34 AM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
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Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 11, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 11, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
So you're saying pay OSU's Underwood buyout?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 12, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Post by: ben ji on March 12, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 12, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 12, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
That buyout was put in place for us. OSU knew oscar's situation too.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2017, 12:46:09 PM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Brad needs to walk around Stillwater decked head to toe in Illini gear non-stop
Post by: ArchE_Cat on March 12, 2017, 01:00:08 PM
Any truth to this?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 12, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
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Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum. While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.
I agree. Like that could be three or four years of Fred Hoiberg salary.
Post by: sys on March 12, 2017, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on March 12, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2017, 03:36:53 PM
Post by: sys on March 12, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
It's not like it's your money.
kstaters are so odd.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2017, 03:58:23 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people. It's not like it's your money.
It is though. K-State Athletics doesn't have an owner pumping money in, that money comes from the ticket holders and donors.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2017, 04:03:17 PM
having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now. and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.
It's maddening
Post by: Ptolemy on March 12, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
To see that not occur, they will pay.
Post by: CHONGS on March 12, 2017, 04:36:11 PM
Post by: stunted on March 12, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
:emawkid:
Post by: That_Guy on March 12, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
For a while seems like pushing it. A new AD is going to want to hire his own guy, right?
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
Post by: jasn88cubs on March 12, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
i bet weber was crying
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Post by: stunted on March 12, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising
i waved at him before and he waved back.
also he's beaten baylor twice and is 1 point worse than druggins. proven winner. his teams can perform extremely well and beat anyone, though they can also lose to anybody. high risk, high reward (ncaa runnerup!). at the very least he is way better than wooldridge.
looking back at his best season, it's surprising they did so well. had mcgruder, but who else? angel was garbage, henriquez barely played. that season was all oscar.
Post by: ELL3 on March 12, 2017, 07:49:26 PM
No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations
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I'm done with hoops if he's back we are gonna be 10th next year
Post by: PIPE on March 13, 2017, 09:13:29 AM
Post by: scottwildcat on March 13, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 13, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2017, 09:48:48 PM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 13, 2017, 10:05:58 PM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Yep, just like what Fitz was saying today. :peek:
Post by: CHONGS on March 14, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
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Post by: WildcatPower on March 14, 2017, 11:02:50 PM
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Post by: catastrophe on March 14, 2017, 11:10:17 PM
Post by: renocat on March 14, 2017, 11:11:41 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2017, 11:35:45 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Maurice will fill in well for DJamer. Sneed will be the next Westicles, and Patrick will be the next Sneed
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Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:19:09 AM
OT: Any ever listen to Kid Dakota. That's where I got thewesisthfuture.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 01:22:14 AM
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Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 15, 2017, 09:06:48 AM
Post by: POWL on March 15, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
Post by: scottwildcat on March 15, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69tRwJVsAEpbc7.jpg)This is good.
Post by: KITNfury on March 15, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement. But he's not getting fired, didn't think he was even before the win last night.i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 10:17:59 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 10:23:56 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
I don't agree that no reasonable or affordable replacement exists
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 10:27:11 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on March 15, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 10:30:55 AM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 11:04:06 AM
We're getting into a space of not firing him but also not extending him. Next season can be the make-break season. Plenty of questions still to answer about roster, player dev, and what the trajectory is here.oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
If oscar gets hired away, much of the fanbase is ok with it, and we're not out the $ to part ways. I don't care what the optics are of letting a marginal NCAA coach get away with a admin in place that may not have oscar's back long term.
I don't think he laterals to another HC job though.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 15, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
What constitutes affordable if private money is paying for it?
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
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Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 12:01:43 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2017, 12:42:48 PM
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 15, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
True.
This is who oscar is...
2005–06 26–7 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Round of 32
2006–07 23–12 9–7 T–4th NCAA Round of 64
2007–08 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 24–10 11–7 T–2nd NCAA Round of 64
2009–10 21–15 10–8 5th NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11 20–14 9–9 T–4th NCAA Round of 32
2011–12 17–15 6–12 9th
2013–14 20–13 10–8 5th NCAA Round of 64
2014–15 15–17 8–10 T–6th
2015–16 17–16 5–13 8th
2016–17 21–13 8–10 6th NCAA Round of 64
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5
it's the 6 wins to 0 wins that really irks me (if you're going compare their two tenures)
Post by: kso_FAN on March 15, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
_FAN you left out the big xii ship year
I debated leaving out the 2nd year, but I gave him credit because the best player was his recruit. I took away his first 2 Illinois seasons because his best players were Self recruits. I was trying to show his P5 record with mostly his players. Its not awful, but its far from great.
Post by: The Whale on March 15, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 01:45:48 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
Post by: Ptolemy on March 15, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 02:24:18 PM
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Hell yes.
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 02:52:41 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
:lol:
Post by: Woogy on March 15, 2017, 02:55:58 PM
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
oscar Weber, 2017:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
:thumbs:Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Say that to Clent Stewarts face you jerk.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 03:17:01 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 15, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 15, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.
Any extension offer should come with a reduction to the buyout.
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 15, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 03:40:22 PM
Then fire himYes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 15, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
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Post by: pvegs on March 15, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drakeyeah we definitely don't need to overpay or over extend that doofus
Post by: stunted on March 15, 2017, 04:55:46 PM
even 2 more years, with the current sophmores, that's a solid 6 right there. :ksu:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 05:19:22 PM
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 05:52:13 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Can't disagree. I don't have the stomach to offer him an extension now, so he keeps his assistants. IF there is an extension offered it should come with a shitload of requirements.
Post by: Super PurpleCat on March 15, 2017, 09:18:31 PM
i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad. which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles. not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.
Painting fences and waxing cars is how you learn karate.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 15, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 10:41:02 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Timing is only an issue if one or both parties allow it to be. Coaches and athletic directors aren't players, they have absolute and total control of their movements.
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 10:58:17 PM
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 11:18:35 PM
Go for it oscarfitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
Post by: SdK on March 16, 2017, 02:12:00 AM
Post by: slackcat on March 16, 2017, 04:41:22 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 06:41:43 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Yeah, that's a better way to put it.
Post by: catastrophe on March 16, 2017, 07:25:56 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Yep, just like any job market.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 07:55:28 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 08:32:51 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:01:22 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
I agree with that, but its clearly not even how most fans think.
IMO a big part of the oscar hatred stems from the lack of tournament success and especially the La Salle upset. Granted, he has done plenty to sustain fans not liking him, but if he had a Sweet 16 in 13 and then a tournament win in 14 the hatred wouldn't be as strong.
Post by: catastrophe on March 16, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:22:30 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:24:37 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2017, 09:24:51 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
I get that, but I think mid major coaches need to prove to be excellent at their level for multiple entire seasons. Shaka finished 2nd 3 times, 4th 2 times, and 5th once at VCU. He had one incredible run at VCU his first year in the tournament and even though he got there 4 more times, he never got out of the 1st weekend, even with two 5 seeds.
I agree with michigan that tournament success has a lot to due with match ups (luck of the draw) and luck in games to get on a Sweet 16 (or better) run, especially when you are a lower seed like most mid major coaches. The true way to sustain tournament success on a yearly basis is to be really good in a P5 conference (top 3 in the Big 12) and get a 5th seed or better.
Post by: DQ12 on March 16, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
Post by: Joker on March 16, 2017, 09:34:57 AM
Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend
I agree. And if you are consistently finishing at, or near, the top of the conference then you are likely to have a few decent tournament runs mixed in.
Give me a consistently competitive basketball team that is fun to watch. Throw in a non-douchebag coach and we've got it made in the shade.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently. That makes sense to me, the thinking is "do I want to work for this person who treats their coach this way?" I think there are some cases where it's okay to gage interest if the job isn't open yet, like if the coach is clearly getting canned, like Kim Anderson; or if there is a clear tie to the candidate and the potential hiring school, or if the candidate and the AD share an agent.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:46:30 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 11:30:14 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Post by: CHONGS on March 16, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.There is zero chance oscar gets fired (unless he does something extremely unsavory off the court). It's not going to happen. I will give tremendous odds if someone wants to bet on it.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
Post by: DQ12 on March 16, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 02:22:04 PM
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Post by: DQ12 on March 16, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you re. whether I think oscar should get fired.Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
I'm saying that I don't think K-State fans are calling for oscar's head as loudly as they were several weeks ago. I also think that most people in Veatch's position would probably prefer not to fire someone unless they had no choice. The combination of oscar's last couple of weeks and the timing of Currie's departure make me think that it's unlikely oscar is canned this year.
I could be wrong about Veatch's hutzpah, but this is one of the reasons why I wasn't really dancing in the streets when Currie left.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 06:16:44 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
Post by: renocat on March 16, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 07:20:34 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
yeah, i guess it never occurred to me that employees do what their bosses tell them to :dunno:
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 16, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
we don't? If he got fired in the middle of the starting lineup intros tomorrow night I'd be over the moon, I'm guessing I'm far from alone.
Post by: sys on March 16, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Yes
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2017, 04:52:06 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Yes
Good points. Agreed.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2017, 06:55:42 AM
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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Post by: catastrophe on March 17, 2017, 07:53:22 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 08:24:41 AM
Oh I think AD's should be aware of what a tourney run does to a coach's value but not hire a coach based on such runs, because luck is a much larger factor in 1-2 games. It's not about finding diamonds in the rough, it's about avoiding mistakes like John Groce. (I keep repeating him because he's the only one I can come up with off the top of my head)That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
Kevin Keatts is an example of someone who may be undervalued because of no NCAA wins, even though he took over a shitty program and won conference regular season titles in years 2 and 3. Just one win would make him a lot more valuable on the market (at least in the eyes of the media, which also influences the market). I also think a guy like Dan Muller at Illinois state will be way undervalued because he didn't make the tournament at all (and went 17-1 in conference!) His conference record has improved every year as well. There's likely others out there.
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 09:41:47 AM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
Post by: renocat on March 17, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 09:49:30 AM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.QuoteWhat made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
I probably should have said "good" instead of "great".
Post by: sys on March 17, 2017, 02:14:43 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 03:22:47 PM
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
Narratives must fit the narratives.
Post by: CHONGS on March 17, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:14:20 PM
No more FWN!
At this point it's whatever, but I've resigned myself that oscar is back next year.
Post by: CHONGS on March 17, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:53:36 PM
Scripts
Well, oscar had to go and change the script from what was assumed.
It looked so much like the 12 script for so long, but then oscar somehow morphed this team to fit a combo of 07 & 11.
Unexpected.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Find me the absolute loser unwilling to follow a guy who's .500ish and only has one post season win, which happens to be in the first four, in five years. That's not even noteworthy at a mid major.
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Post by: williamthewildcat on March 17, 2017, 07:22:33 PM
"Well, we were really tired after that flight...."
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Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.
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Post by: Joker on March 17, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
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:love:
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
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I liked how the announcer was taking about how livid oscar was with the official, then they showed this.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
no.
Post by: stunted on March 17, 2017, 09:53:49 PM
thank you oscar :blush:
Post by: The Big Train on March 17, 2017, 09:59:17 PM
Post by: Justwin on March 17, 2017, 10:20:20 PM
you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.
thank you oscar :blush:
But not all in the same season.
Post by: Trim on March 17, 2017, 10:24:15 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 17, 2017, 10:39:20 PM
We get into the Madness. Get to play 2 games in the Tourney (good morale builder and experience for the FR/SOPH), and we change coaches with a nice nucleus here for the next 2 seasons
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.QuoteWhat made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
One year at Kats U. our offense was stagnating and so was our season as a result. He was the brains behind our newly retooled offense and we turned things around and rattled off a shitload of wins. Then he did the same thing at OSU this year and ultimately took a team that had just fired its coach for having a terrible team and took them to the tournament his very first year. These, in addition to three years out of three at SFA where he absolutely dominated his league AND compiled a bunch of tourney wins all combine to make him a great coach. Don't know why you seem to be somewhat anti-Brad, but it seems kind of petulant at this point. Brad is a good, proven coach who has had success at three different schools. He was the right choice for us, and he still is.
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2017, 10:49:06 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2017, 11:01:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU. It's only money
What? You don't really think any of that matters do you? I mean if we're talking about ancillary crap, I'm guessing the fact that the remodel of Jardine is just as important to an incoming coach.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 17, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Or do you guys do red-hot pokers up the gastrointestinals? That would be even better. Letting OSU hire Brad should be punished criminally.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 11:12:32 PM
Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General. What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD?
If he thinks he's going to win, why would he care?
Post by: star seed 7 on March 17, 2017, 11:16:01 PM
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Post by: Ptolemy on March 17, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
Fire Oscar Laird!
Let's give the new AD a clean slate.
Post by: renocat on March 17, 2017, 11:28:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2017, 11:41:16 PM
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Post by: Ptolemy on March 17, 2017, 11:50:09 PM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:39:06 AM
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Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 07:47:24 AM
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:59:16 AM
So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
I really hope it's on a Saturday or Sunday morning so I can pour a 17 year scotch when I see that it's been done.
Post by: slackcat on March 18, 2017, 08:16:51 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
Why not: Laird still asleep?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 18, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
Maybe this'll work itself out for us? Of course, then we're the school that got dumped by oscar instead of being the dumper. I can live with that.
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 08:39:47 AM
Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?
:frown:
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 10:59:57 AM
Illinois State Redbirds (Missouri Valley Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 8–10 6th
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 9–9 5th CBI Semifinals
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 11–7 T–3rd NIT 2nd Round
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 12–6 T–2nd
2016–17 Illinois State 28–6 17–1 T–1st NIT
Illinois State: 104–64 (.619) 57–33 (.633)
Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 11:13:57 AM
On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Was that after OU?
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Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 11:19:22 AM
Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAsOn that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Was that after OU?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAsOn that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Was that after OU?
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Hmm. WeirdStanbot?
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Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
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Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
"Oh, no one’s ever told me anything,” he said. “I don’t know anything. But I like K-State. My wife loves it here. We’ve got a good group.”
Not too confident. Apparently, he has not been reassured.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article139333003.html#storylink=cpy
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
Yep.
Or Dooley IMO.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2017, 03:49:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 03:54:49 PM
Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.
No they aren't
Post by: pissclams on March 18, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
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Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:30:16 PM
Hate that effing sorry excuse for a ****ing basketball coach.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 06:39:10 PM
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
No. Too much.
The thought of watching this pathetic bastard destroy my team for yet another season has driven me out of lurkdom. I want a moratorium issued on face shots of Lord Farquaad. And no more talking to the press!
<face in hands, sobbing>
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Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 06:48:59 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
in fairness that P5 AD has since been exposed as an alien in a body suit with purple cowboy boots
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
This.
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
This slack-jawed ph**k face we've got "leading" our program?
Jeezuz Mary and Joseph.
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Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 08:18:23 PM
grainer explodes onto the scene
breath of fresh air
Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: renocat on March 19, 2017, 06:06:21 AM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.They pay Forbes a $205,000 salary. He has a great resume. Better than Underwood by a mile. Helped build great programs at Tenn and WichitaSu. Punishment for defending scuz Pearlx but we took a chance once on Huggins. This guy is clean and humble and dirt plain. If don't, okiemooos will.
Post by: slackcat on March 19, 2017, 06:22:15 AM
I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.
:lol:
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:41:43 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Yeah, I get that. It doesn't make seeing nothing done any easier though.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2017, 03:50:38 PM
Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?
Backstory?
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Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.He was a puma!
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
Post by: PIPE on March 19, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
He won either way I guess
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 05:48:01 PM
We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?
That's the point, we are a program losing recruits to a commuter school in Northeast Wichita, completely unacceptable. They can run a train on the Valley and still not be a viable option for a four star recruit playing locally.
I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him
If they chose The Flush over Shamet then they are dumber than I thought, then again they did chose Michael Orris over Josh Gray.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 19, 2017, 07:12:54 PM
I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there.
Was there ever really any doubt, despite the fact that Frank basically left oscar a sweet sixteen ready roster while taking over a total crap show at USCe?
:facepalm:
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2017, 07:18:41 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
Post by: tdaver on March 19, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
Last 10 years
oscar 1
Frank 5
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 07:47:22 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:23:30 PM
Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.
Yeah, I enjoyed the win over Wake, I won't deny that, but when anyone worth anything says NCAA wins they mean the round of 64.
Also, give oscar credit for consistency. Since his NC title game appearance he is what he is:
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 08:54:05 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
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Post by: Joker on March 19, 2017, 09:02:10 PM
I mean it was so obvious that you can't even enjoy the "I told you so" moment when this thing is finally done.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
Obviously, especially since we were so close to beating Cincinnati.
Post by: slackcat on March 19, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
shut your pie hole.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
Of course
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
checked with the judges, and no, they confirmed that the first four is for stank-ass loser teams
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 19, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 11:08:37 PM
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 11:12:30 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Checked with The Board and they told me that nope, First Four is for giant losers and unless your team is playing in it, you're absolutely never watching that hot garbage because no one cares and there's nothing fun about it.
Post by: Ptolemy on March 19, 2017, 11:37:55 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Why let him go then?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 11:44:07 PM
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http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ncaa-makes-kentucky-writer-delete-video.htmlGross.
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Post by: EMAWzifried on March 20, 2017, 12:36:26 AM
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Post by: Bookcat on March 20, 2017, 08:26:28 AM
K-State basketball is dead. No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.
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I'm not going to a game. I'm not donating... Why should any fan ask to pledge when KSU won't support a winning program? They are as tight as uncle scrooge..and we'll forever be small time until we figure out how to bid with the big boys....
Man we're so lucky LHC Bill Snyder didn't dump us all those years ago because he was trough chasing the dollar...but that was the early 90's .......and this is now.
Post by: POWL on March 20, 2017, 08:37:04 AM
source B+
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Well then he can get crap canned like Wooly
Post by: Brock Landers on March 20, 2017, 09:01:00 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
You just described a coaching job that fits oscar to a T.
Post by: Joker on March 20, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 09:07:55 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
Just like Illinois sweeping in to get Brad.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 09:09:48 AM
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Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2017, 11:15:56 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
This would be pretty interesting. I still find it a bit hard to believe, because if oscar is getting let go it should have already. We probably couldn't wait any longer than next week at the latest.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 20, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
Post by: Tobias on March 20, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
https://twitter.com/mamaontherun33/status/843847441401155588
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 11:40:48 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
https://twitter.com/mamaontherun33/status/843847441401155588
lol he can't even talk on the phone like a non-weirdo
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
I think General Myers is focused on the AD search. Next priority is to make sure there is a bona fide succession plan for our football program. We may want to keep all basketball discussion to the WBB team and South Carolina/Frank. That's all that matters at this point. I think oscar earned his 'pass' for the next few months.
What are the Lady 'Cats' chances against Stanford? Stanford's really good, no?
Can Frank take down Baylor?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2017, 12:51:41 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
If oscar's Cats can beat Scott's Bears twice, I see no reason to write off Frank's Cocks :ck:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Post by: BostonPancake on March 20, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job. He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility. It's one of the top two programs in the CAA. Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).
Its much better than Drake.
Plus, the mid major that gets oscar probably doesn't have to worry about oscar jumping. He'll finish his career there if he's successful enough to stay.
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 01:51:16 PM
Post by: Gooch on March 20, 2017, 02:05:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
This is pretty funny.
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/
Half way down.
I don't have any problem with leading the cheers, but she did act pretty trashy and based on what I know the Marshall's probably fuel each other. You can clearly see she drops and F-Bomb and then she leans into the writer's table with the "hitting the weight room" comment. Also reports she was yelling for Cal to sit down amongst other F-bomb droppage.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 02:14:02 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?
Think I've heard both 2 mill and 2.5 million, but also heard he would get a 500k retention bonus if he's still our coach come April 1st, but I can't find that in the contract (for this year, looks like it would kick in in 2019).
So anywhere between 2-3mill, I guess?
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 02:16:46 PM
Well, yeah.Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 02:18:31 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Well, yeah.Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Quote from: Fitz a few minutes ago
If oscar Weber is going to Drake (or any mid-major) it will only be after he's fired and gets his buyout. However, there are still rumblings in the coaching world that K-State has been reaching out to candidates. It's really hard to time date those feelers, though. Maybe losing in the round of 64 was good enough and the contacts with coaches, direct or indirectly, have ended. I will continue to dig.
So, assuming this is accurate, we should've fired him as he walked off the floor Friday.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 20, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
Post by: PIPE on March 20, 2017, 02:37:32 PM
it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink
I think it is pink
Now, what brand is another story......Marc Anthony from Kohl's?
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.You're really harshing my buzz, MIR. Geez!
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Post by: star seed 7 on March 20, 2017, 03:28:26 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Oh, and feel free to take the job after
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
Post by: sys on March 20, 2017, 11:16:38 PM
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
lol.
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 11:32:59 PM
Tom Crean was thought to be the choice for the LSU job. One article I read indicated they asked Crean if he was interested; nope and hell nope. Today 2 IU recruits ask to be let out of their LOC. Sounds like a package deal in the making. Strange KSU Monkeyballs shiners have not said Weber is our man. As long as the women were playing likely no coach announced. If keeping weber, I would have thought MyersVeatch would have given an attaboy statement for Oscar. Women done playing. A.package deal with Crean, a good coach and recruiter, and 2 good players for the signing. Good day tomorrow.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 06:23:47 AM
Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.
And his narcissism is off the charts, even for coaches.
Crean would be a form of oscar - Part 2.
Post by: Pett on March 21, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
Post by: illBisonYourdele on March 21, 2017, 07:40:22 AM
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
Post by: Three Fingers on March 21, 2017, 08:37:45 AM
:Crybaby:it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
All Rivals boards are down. Without the mainboard I feel lost at sea.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 21, 2017, 01:29:40 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2017, 03:38:12 PM
QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?
I read that too, but I'm not sure. This article says it was that amount: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article135465724.html
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His buyout was $1.55 million, which he or Tennessee may owe K-State.
This Tennessee article says different: http://tennessee.247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-releases-contract-details-for-new-AD-John-Currie-51583378
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The Vols are responsible for Currie's buyout at Kansas State, which according to the MOU will not exceed $175,000.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2017, 03:51:22 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
https://twitter.com/JWernerScout/status/843868789066399747
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38998.0
Post by: Skipper44 on March 21, 2017, 04:57:33 PM
Post by: renocat on March 21, 2017, 05:23:11 PM
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
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He also mentioned that Northwestern coach Chris Collins sent Riley a powerful text about his dad, former NBA coach Doug Collins, getting fired by the Bulls in 1989 while Chris Collins was in high school. “Going through that helped prepare him and make him the man he is now and the position that he is in now,” Crean said the text read. “That. Is. Strong.”
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
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The most emotion showed may have come from a hug from his cleaning lady.
Post by: catastrophe on March 21, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
Post by: renocat on March 21, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 07:48:37 PM
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.
Crean is a piece of crap.
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 21, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 21, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
Post by: KITNfury on March 21, 2017, 09:46:24 PM
Post by: mocat on March 21, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 21, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained
Year 6 is gonna be the most entertaining yet. With almost everyone on board as early as the first lol open gym, kstatembb 17-18 has the opportunity to be the most hated team in the history of the world, and it's not one to be taken lightly.
Post by: Tobias on March 21, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
Like who?
Post by: renocat on March 22, 2017, 06:32:39 AM
I think as a previous post stated - something is afoot. Can anyone find anything recently saying the ADministration has praised Weber.
Post by: pvegs on March 22, 2017, 07:15:11 AM
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
i was more like making fun of hating on our best postseason run in 30 years for ending in a loss to the future coach of the celtics and a first round nba'er. but whatever dude.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 22, 2017, 10:38:29 AM
Dark times friends, dark times.
Post by: 0.42 on March 22, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
Post by: manpow5 on March 22, 2017, 12:59:25 PM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
Post by: Yard Dog on March 22, 2017, 01:21:08 PM
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: renocat on March 22, 2017, 01:37:59 PM
"The only thing worse than having this happen is to go somewhere we're not aligned properly," Crean said. "A good job, a great job, those all come down to the alignment. Resources are important. Facilities are important. Tradition is important. Fan bases are important. Where can you recruit is important. But alignment is key. That, for me, is what you're looking for."
SI interview with Tom Crean. Sounds us.
Post by: catastrophe on March 22, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
Post by: KITNfury on March 22, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 22, 2017, 02:22:08 PM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
Hearing they're putting a full court press on Hocutt, they really want him. Sounds like Weiberg isn't much of an option due the OSU job possibly being open soon.
Expect it to be Veatch if it's not Hocutt.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
:frown:
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 22, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
Please expound on this line of thinking. Is it because of the inevitable pay cut?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 22, 2017, 03:41:17 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 22, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
No one wants to go back to the same job they just left after getting fired from the new job they left it for.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 22, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 22, 2017, 04:29:30 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Then lets take Prohm, I don't think it is out the question that Prohm isn't the better coach.
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 22, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 22, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Who hates ertz?? :confused:Many before he got good, because of Iowa.
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 05:00:05 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:33:15 PM
haha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
What jobs are open? I don't think Indiana would take him.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
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The amendment set a 2020-21 salary at $1.75 million, which added $875,000 to both sides' buyout obligation should Prohm leave for another job or ISU terminate him without cause.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 22, 2017, 06:40:59 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
That's really pretty unbelievable. They are currently one of the top 3-4 programs in this league with probably the 2nd best fan base, they should act like it.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Post by: ELL3 on March 22, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
Post by: BackPayne on March 22, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
:impatient:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2017, 08:41:14 PM
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Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 09:08:22 PM
They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read herewow- how big was the dent Steve put in his Taurus when he saw that Brad got a $18 million contract?
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
oh, let me be the second thenhaha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 09:11:57 PM
I enjoyed it more the second time. :thumbs:oh, let me be the second thenhaha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
:dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
Their football program is terrible, so that seems plausible.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 10:21:58 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 08:23:24 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 08:53:04 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 09:04:47 AM
if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?
makes you think
Post by: PIPE on March 23, 2017, 09:16:51 AM
Lots of sheetrock to install, I'm sure.
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 10:20:45 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 23, 2017, 11:31:07 AM
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2017, 12:40:07 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 23, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 23, 2017, 01:06:46 PM
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2017, 01:07:48 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 23, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
-or-
Dana Altman coming home
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 23, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
Must be one of 15 others
Chris Holtmann
Post by: KITNfury on March 23, 2017, 04:46:04 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
-or-
Dana Altman coming home
i know this is going to sound uber weird but i really don't want altman back. instead of oscar? sure. but not much else.
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
Post by: Pete on March 23, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
Man this is taking for-ev-er!
I know. Most boringest KSU cat coach search ever.
Post by: ELL3 on March 23, 2017, 09:27:10 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
Remember Oscar flirted with Saint Louis last off season a bit, oh well, runnerup to the first year South Dakota coach that finished .500, good try ole Oscar
Post by: Joker on March 24, 2017, 07:58:51 AM
Reason: Chatting with Melanie's grandpa in Hutch.
https://twitter.com/Melanay20/status/845130338133168130
Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2017, 09:32:48 AM
Post by: renocat on March 24, 2017, 11:07:35 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
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Post by: EMAWzifried on March 25, 2017, 10:47:01 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
Post by: The Big Train on March 25, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Post by: AppleJack on March 25, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
Post by: pissclams on March 25, 2017, 12:55:47 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 12:56:36 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Post by: renocat on March 25, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
This is sad. I wore my lucky KState shirt today. The weather man said a it would be a lukewarm and dreary day, seemed like appropriate apparel.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2017, 02:46:56 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
I was in the same bo(y)at at the beginning of January and have since slimmed down a bit, but nothing in comparison to Pete.
It would be pretty weird for me to be right on the fence though between two things.
Post by: CHONGS on March 25, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 26, 2017, 02:42:51 PM
oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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But not the one it needs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 26, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
Post by: slackcat on March 26, 2017, 03:26:41 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 26, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 26, 2017, 03:44:06 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 26, 2017, 03:52:36 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:13:21 PM
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
I hope you are correct.
Post by: O-town Kat on March 26, 2017, 05:29:12 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.Agree
Post by: TheHamburglar on March 26, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
To expand on MIR's point, if they pick Laird now I wonder if they'll wait a couple more weeks just to let the fire die down.
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2017, 05:40:48 AM
Post by: renocat on March 27, 2017, 06:49:58 AM
Post by: 8manpick on March 27, 2017, 07:02:47 AM
He's Adam West Batman.
I feel this went underappreciated
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
Post by: BackPayne on March 27, 2017, 10:17:55 AM
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Any rumblings?
Nah they're gonna cone of silence this all the way to a oscar extension announcement at 1 AM on a Sunday
Post by: Joker on March 27, 2017, 01:15:08 PM
Any rumblings?
The only rumblings are coming from oscar's stomach.
https://twitter.com/lukemc58/status/846102049687289856
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
Post by: DQ12 on March 27, 2017, 03:44:49 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 03:49:14 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
http://themercury.com/articles/weber-to-return-for-sixth-season
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
https://twitter.com/lukemc58/status/846106930435293184
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
Quote
“We took a step forward this year, and we look forward to making another step forward next year,” Athletics Director Laird Veatch told The Mercury Monday.
:lol: :woot:
Post by: tdaver on March 27, 2017, 05:55:02 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
Post by: ELL3 on March 27, 2017, 07:07:48 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 27, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 07:34:02 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Post by: manpow5 on March 27, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2017, 08:19:46 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
Yep
Post by: CHONGS on March 27, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything, I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.
Yup
Post by: PIPE on March 27, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 27, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2017, 10:43:51 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article68678882.html
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
Post by: porky morgan on March 27, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 11:51:51 PM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Yes, because it is so very trying in a $100K+ position to have to distinctly focus on two tasks at once...writing a list of potential football coaches to one-day replace a legend plus finding a basketball coach that can possibly strive to even think of getting his team into the NCAA tournament every year.
Post by: MadCat on March 27, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
:Lurk:
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2017, 12:11:24 AM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
No
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 02:29:10 AM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
What exactly is the athletic department or anyone else doing to address this supposed "pressing football transition?" Does Laird Veatch give LHC Bill Snyder daily cancer scans? Are the rest of the athletic department employees dividing and conquering interviews with all football coaches in America for the eventual day LHC Bill Snyder quits at some point?
I know your post was just a reason to take some stupid shot at college basketball but it is actually quite a critical revenue sport. Any revenue stream is crucial.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2017, 06:24:19 AM
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Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 08:39:25 AM
Post by: Joker on March 28, 2017, 08:41:29 AM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 28, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
Hope is a good thing. Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F52.10.151.222%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fhopeandchange-s1.jpg&hash=2c18bcfc57939d85f7989ff4700d3d112e16b2f0)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 28, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
:lol: #FAMILY
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8BPDEpVYAElQ1l.png:large)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2017, 11:48:22 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
That factors into sell outs; I was at the Texas game this year as an example and technically it was "sold out" because attendance is listed at capacity, but it wasn't full. There were probably 10K people there, but not full.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 12:14:42 PM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
Sorry bub, it needed to be said. It was gentle, respectful PI.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2017, 12:33:44 PM
https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857
Very dishonest
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 28, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857currie, that ole sly dog
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 12:42:02 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 28, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?
no. we took a step forward towards getting him fired this year and we look forward to making another step forward next year
Post by: CHONGS on March 28, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:08:25 PM
https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857
Very dishonest
They can put all of the lipstick on this pig they want to but the true sense of how the fans feel is in ticket revenue, season ticket sales, and Ahearn seat donations. There are all kinds of ways to manipulate attendance numbers.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 01:21:03 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
Bib overalls :lol:
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
i don't think so. people really hate oscar. it didn't seem the same about asbury. people were apathetic towards basketball in the mid-90's. this is when snyder really started to take off and football had the fans by the balls and vag pretty securely.
asbury's 3rd year in 96-97 he went 3-13 but it was our 10-2 holiday bowl year. 4 consecutive 11 win seasons were staring at us in the face. our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 28, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Post by: Brock Landers on March 28, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
I legitimately do not remember the teal accents. People talk about trying to block horrible memories and it looks like this is an example of where I have suceeded in doing so.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fmar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804&hash=332d7972254bc0cb866785127857c80aa2db0f30)
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 02:52:54 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Are you that guy who always takes it a step too far?
Post by: scottwildcat on March 28, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
https://twitter.com/prumfsy/status/834807736684707840at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fmar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804&hash=332d7972254bc0cb866785127857c80aa2db0f30)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 28, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:55:39 PM
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year
Yeah, that's hard to forget.
I looked up all the sub .300 conference seasons in the last 30 years. Asbury had 3 in 6 seasons. Wooly had 2 in 6 seasons. Altman had 2 in 4 seasons.
Year Coach Wins Losses %age
2000 Asbury 2 14 0.125
1997 Asbury 3 13 0.188
1991 Altman 3 11 0.214
1995 Asbury 3 11 0.214
2001 Wooly 4 12 0.250
2003 Wooly 4 12 0.250
2016 Weber 5 13 0.278
1994 Altman 4 10 0.286
Post by: Ptolemy on March 28, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 28, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
I'm pretty sure he's coaching Marcus Foster.
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
coaching at university of Nike
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 03:11:49 PM
oscar does OK, too.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Post by: Canary on March 28, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
And there is no way that he doesn't want to win. You don't go into this (or really, any) profession where competition is key and not care about winning. Now what he defines as successful, and how he works towards that goal can be debated endlessly. But to say a D-1 coach doesn't want to win is ludicrous. And I am not a fan of his, but the comparisons are not even remotely in the same ballpark.Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 28, 2017, 03:40:25 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 28, 2017, 03:41:57 PM
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.
Look how his team preformed relative to their projected Kenpom scores. Look at its g-score ratings on http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Kansas+St. I don't think it is fair to say it is effort/intensity, one of the main reason that isn't his brand of basketball and it will never measure up to the Huggins coaching tree.
I don't think this team was wildly inconsistent outside of how poor they played at OU. I don't think it is fair to judge a season or team on one game. In total they seemed to be a pretty solid team that just wasn't good enough to make a push where fans wanted them to be in a loaded big 12. They stayed between 26-36 ranking the entire big 12 season and did that with no bench. Not having a bench and being decently young add to a normal amount inconsistency.
I think most of the issues with this team fall under the roster building. Having the roster flip over two years had a negative effect. The team had depth issues. The team had issues with having size, strength and athleticism at the post position. Team had point guard issues with only having Kam.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
:facepalm:at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:38:39 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Yes, those are amazing commercials.
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
that ball with those shades!
god bless fatty
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 29, 2017, 09:38:43 AM
Wade, Sneed, Harris, DJamer, etc. Biggest misconception about oscar. Hate him for who he is, but stop bringing up this lame ass talking point that he can't recruit ppl. :jerk:
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 29, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 29, 2017, 11:36:28 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 11:36:58 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2017, 11:37:37 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:42:10 AM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.
We probably would have been a whole lot better this year and last year if oscar would have handled Marcus Foster better.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:44:45 AM
Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.
I'll trash him for whatever I want to dickface. the point is that comparing him to wooly based on tournament appearances isn't a fair comparison because this team would not have been a tournament team when wooly was coaching. that needs to be acknowledged.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
did wooly ever inherit a team that had five future nba players on it? because if he would have, I'm guessing he would have made the tournament more times than one time.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
Yes, those are amazing commercials.
Kansas State Basketball: We will make sure there is a team on the floor at tip off. After that, no promises or refunds. Go Cats.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 29, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
:lol:oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters
wes was our pg this year, say that to his face
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 12:59:45 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
Being .500 at the p5 conference level would probably put him above average depending on the context. I think it is also fair to say quality of a individual coach is fluid and is also very dependent on his coaching staff. Scott Drew is better coach today than he was 4 years ago. The question is from where Weber is now is he moving up in the market or is the market surpassing him.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:08:44 PM
Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting
Oscar is good with wings. Good a coaching point guards, but awful at recruiting/evaluating. General mess with Bigs. :dunno:
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem. It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.
I think his big philosophy has been different at K-State than Illinois. His choices of big this year seem better. But I think the overall execution has been pretty poor. Not having Malek Harris hurts because he had a good motor and better Athleticism than the rest of our roster returning. I know he is at the D-II level right now but he was in car accident that really set his career back.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Although JHR may have been more valuable because of his rim protection. But DJamer was pretty good at that, too. I just don't think production from the 4/5 is THAT big of a deal. oscar's PG's are OK, his bigs are OK, his wings are OK. He just recruits OK. He certainly hasn't had a Frank 2008 dogshit class since he's been here.
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
I'm researched out for the week but I hope this isn't true.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 29, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
Neck and Neck in my book. DJamer edges CK by a slim margin.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:59:00 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
oh yeah beasley :peek:
But yeah, look up the stats b/w DJamer and CK. Very comparable jr/sr seasons but DJamer was a much more efficent scorer and a slightly better rebounder.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 02:06:26 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 02:11:17 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 02:26:14 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 29, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:27:58 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
CK used slightly more possessions and shot slightly more frequently than DJamer. DJamer was just much more efficient.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 02:39:19 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 29, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:46:41 PM
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
He's OK at it!
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: pissclams link=topic=38999.msg1703873#msg1703873 date=1490814386
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
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He's OK at it!
A major part of developing players is recruiting players that have a skill set they can grow. He has been pretty hit and miss in this part and it is discounted by player attrition but most coaches has turnover. The players that have stayed seem to always make more than incremental steps.
Another draw back is I don't think be does a good job of making great college players and or utilize their skill set. I think Rodney became a more rounded offensive player under Weber, but oscar didn't utilize him as well as Frank. The weird kicker is that was our best in conference offense since Lon.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
He definitely is underappreciated but I think we're talking about centers, if we're just talking "forwards" the answer clearly starts and stops with Michael Beasley.
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 07:19:48 PM
Post by: slackcat on April 07, 2017, 02:40:48 AM
Post by: Joker on April 07, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.
Quote
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 07, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
Post by: Cire on April 07, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
Post by: meow meow on April 07, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
hate the feel sorry stuff.
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
Yep.
And oscar feeling the need to say Veatch apologized to him sums up the article perfectly. oscar gonna oscar. Always.
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.
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But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on April 07, 2017, 09:55:52 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on April 07, 2017, 10:14:58 AM
:flush:
Post by: Yard Dog on April 07, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Post by: meow meow on April 07, 2017, 10:51:06 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on April 07, 2017, 11:03:02 AM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.QuoteBut there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
Post by: catastrophe on April 07, 2017, 11:16:21 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
Post by: mocat on April 07, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
Post by: Joker on April 07, 2017, 11:37:26 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 11:51:21 AM
oscar just isn't Wooly enough.
Yeah. oscar is way better as a coach, but about 100% less likable.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2017, 11:55:12 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 07, 2017, 12:41:52 PM
Update: oscar is still here.
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.QuoteWeber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
Vote of confidences are stupid, they always end in a firing a year later. I think it is smart on Veatch's part to try and not give one. Just awful execution.
Post by: sys on April 07, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 12:51:05 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Very true. Also very strange since on the of the offensive stats he seems to value the most are assists per made made FGs.
Post by: sys on April 07, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 07, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.QuoteBut there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
I think this is just poor logic. One it is better to have a harder schedule, a better SOS makes it easier to make the NCAAs. Two the staff tried to beef up schedule but no one would schedule them, that is more of a reflection of what other programs thought of K-State. Three teams was totally capable of beating good teams there is a reason they finished 30th in kenpom.
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on April 07, 2017, 03:28:36 PM
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
An Elite 8 might warm some people to oscar. Maybe.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
I thought I was probably wrong about him after his second year. I think if you go back and read the board from that time, it was mostly positive toward oscar. It's amazing how fast the optimism of having 3 more years of Marcus Foster to build around can vanish.
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.not the worst way to coach
Post by: pvegs on April 07, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
i honestly don't know how the players deal with that aspect. it would just be so confusing/distracting/annoying and lead to me tuning him out (which i'm sure happens).
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2017, 03:45:42 PM
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Post by: sys on April 08, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Post by: pvegs on April 08, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
i will give the gpc crowd some credit in that the majority seem to have finally revolted against posts like this
Post by: Ptolemy on April 09, 2017, 12:55:43 AM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Please seek psychological therapy.
This is not that complicated.
Oscar has shown himself via his record of accomplishment to be a good mid-major level coach. He is in over his head - in recruiting, game day coaching, player development, and public relations - at the Power 5 level.
That's it.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2017, 01:19:32 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2017, 03:28:08 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
He hasn't signed one in the fall yet at K-State. It is rough ridin' insane.
Post by: ELL3 on April 09, 2017, 01:15:15 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Great point, the record in conference is not important. That try really hard chart needs to be how we evaluate coaches, poor Oscar just has the deck stacked against him.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
Post by: renocat on April 09, 2017, 07:30:55 PM
Post by: #LIFE on June 11, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Post by: The Big Train on June 11, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Post by: #LIFE on June 11, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Post by: The Big Train on June 11, 2017, 09:05:50 PM
Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Punch these people in the face #life
Post by: michigancat on June 12, 2017, 12:08:48 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 14, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
yeah major studs Karl and Mary like being associated with huge losers like oscar. Your ITK doesn't K crap
Post by: Ptolemy on June 14, 2017, 11:19:24 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
That kind of nonsense motivates me to make my business interests SO profitable that I can wave more dollars in the face of Gen. Meyers than the Ice family so he will act in my best interests rather than theirs.
America!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
Post by: #LIFE on June 15, 2017, 01:00:55 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 01:43:30 PM
Rumblings the loser ran another player off
Like, our only big man too.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 15, 2017, 01:49:04 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 15, 2017, 01:51:05 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
Maurice?
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Post by: Tobias on June 15, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Post by: Winters on June 15, 2017, 02:05:16 PM
Post by: Gooch on June 15, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 15, 2017, 02:13:07 PM
Hasn't K-State bball been bragging about him working out overseas through twitter?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 02:15:39 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 15, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
Quote
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Post by: Winters on June 15, 2017, 02:22:35 PM
GPC post of the day:Holy effQuoteI agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Post by: mocat on June 15, 2017, 02:22:40 PM
1. maurice
Post by: #LIFE on June 15, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
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Post by: ChiComCat on June 15, 2017, 02:24:55 PM
2) Problems are trouble
3) That troublesome problem can eff right off
Post by: mocat on June 15, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 02:27:25 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 02:54:42 PM
We need to change the name of this board to "we deserve this F'ing S"
Post by: Trim on June 15, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Post by: meow meow on June 15, 2017, 04:06:14 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 15, 2017, 04:15:59 PM
GPC post of the day:QuoteI agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
increds :love:
Post by: SdK on June 15, 2017, 04:19:04 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 15, 2017, 05:36:06 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 15, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
Post by: SdK on June 15, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Post by: The Big Train on June 15, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
It's not his fault!
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 15, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
Post by: BackPayne on June 15, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 16, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
Post by: BackPayne on June 16, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Post by: HELLHAMMER on June 16, 2017, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: SdK on June 16, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.Comes from a poor family. Deserves it.
Post by: grainer on June 16, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I am not spending another dime on KSU MBB until this coach is gone. I'm done. More people should do the same. Drop the ticket sales - that should send a message.
If people won't vote with their pocketbooks, then we all share culpability for this bullsh8t continuing.
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Post by: SdK on June 16, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2017, 10:36:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 16, 2017, 10:43:50 AM
It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point. oscar and The Mustang have killed it.Yeah, I was just thinking about this yesterday. We're all pretty numb to it these days.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
something that was legitimately bizarre when it first started happening is now totally normal.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 16, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded.
Post by: BackPayne on June 16, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Post by: #LIFE on June 16, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
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Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.
Quote
As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
Post by: steve dave on June 16, 2017, 07:39:32 PM
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This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world
holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world
Post by: Spracne on June 16, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
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Post by: SdK on June 17, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
Post by: SdK on June 17, 2017, 09:02:02 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 17, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Post by: ELL3 on June 17, 2017, 01:07:12 PM
QuoteWeber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.QuoteAs Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
If this a legit post, it makes me sad we have people like this in our fanbase
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: Katpappy on June 18, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbassesWack, this is totally unlike you. Aren't you the guy who admires those that stand on their own two feet and want to do the right thing; as in "not Bill Self".
Post by: 0.42 on July 08, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbassesAgreed, but it seems like compared to most P5 schools they constitute an extremely high percentage of the overall support base. I can only think of a handful of schools where such open self sabotage in the name of hypercompliance and busting players for weed would be tolerated by an open majority of their fanbase, and none of them are particularly good at anything aside from the occasional hobby support. Think Iowa State, Purdue, Oregon State, maybe Wazzu once the Animal runs off Leach.
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Post by: #LIFE on July 20, 2017, 10:28:23 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2017, 10:59:59 PM
Post by: renocat on July 21, 2017, 01:56:47 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on July 21, 2017, 03:12:11 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.#LIFE - precedent has been set and maybe we can get Wooly to file the FOIA. We just need you to steal Weber's uni provided phone and a few backpage numbers
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit)
Post by: dal9 on July 21, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something.fuk'd up.
Post by: Bloodfart on July 22, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
Post by: renocat on July 29, 2017, 06:16:56 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on July 30, 2017, 10:30:21 AM
Post by: Pett on July 31, 2017, 03:19:44 PM
Post by: meow meow on July 31, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: 0.42 on August 01, 2017, 08:49:03 AM
i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.
This could actually be super fun maybe? :sdeek:
Post by: Pett on August 04, 2017, 08:24:11 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
Bruh
Post by: HELLHAMMER on January 14, 2019, 08:00:07 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 14, 2019, 08:46:26 AM
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Post by: Shooter Jones on January 14, 2019, 09:01:50 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 14, 2019, 09:14:59 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 14, 2019, 10:05:58 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2019, 10:09:32 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 14, 2019, 12:28:13 PM
2-2 puts us right on track to finish 9-9 and hit that sweet sweet zone of mediocrity.
That’s basically every school in the league outside of KU since oscar arrived.
Post by: HELLHAMMER on January 14, 2019, 01:48:42 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 16, 2019, 08:08:51 PM
Post by: stunted on January 16, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 16, 2019, 08:17:08 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/d07-XCIpBVQ/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2019, 10:06:39 PM
He has a dead body in the back seat?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 16, 2019, 10:31:34 PM
Post by: mocat on January 16, 2019, 11:22:57 PM
:confused:Let's not all start S'ing each other's D's quite yet
He has a dead body in the back seat?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2019, 11:41:39 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 17, 2019, 09:43:46 AM
Post by: mocat on January 21, 2019, 09:45:26 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
Post by: meow meow on November 26, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2019, 09:47:28 AM
Post by: meow meow on November 26, 2019, 10:09:13 AM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on November 27, 2019, 07:58:48 AM
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 08, 2020, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2020, 07:35:20 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 08, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
What is he doing? Like he’s a weirdo and crap and does lots of crap I don’t like but he’s better than this.No he isn't. He has always had years in which he totally lost teams. He's always been a crappy offensive coach but I think he's getting worse at it. It's compounded when he is fielding a young team who can't play the defense he hangs his hat on.
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2020, 09:43:48 PM
Post by: CHONGS on December 08, 2020, 09:48:33 PM
That's no way he's getting fired, and I know it.
It depressing.
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2020, 09:53:08 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 08, 2020, 09:54:02 PM
Nah he forced Gene’s hand tonight, he is a dead man walking.You bet Gene and Oscar have a long chat either tonight or in the morning.
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Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2020, 10:00:31 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 08, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2020, 10:17:11 PM
I’m not buying it, I think he has an illness or something he is hiding.
Taking an immediate medical leave of absence is probably the best way to go out.
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2020, 10:32:05 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 08, 2020, 11:58:19 PM
Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
All the more reason to can him. Less schools to compete with for the guy you want.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 09, 2020, 06:43:45 AM
:ksu:Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
All the more reason to can him. Less schools to compete with for the guy you want.
Yeah, but Brad Underwood isn't leaving Illinois.
Post by: Cire on December 09, 2020, 07:42:40 AM
Post by: PIPE on December 09, 2020, 08:27:07 AM
:ROFL:
Post by: passranch on December 09, 2020, 10:56:05 AM
#Beilein4KSU
Post by: slackcat on December 10, 2020, 01:18:51 AM
Post by: pissclams on December 10, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 10, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 11, 2020, 11:09:42 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 11, 2020, 11:19:24 AM
Post by: Pete on December 11, 2020, 06:30:53 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 11, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Post by: Pete on December 11, 2020, 06:42:57 PM
Is this the first time you guys have seen that? It's as old as The Hill.
And just as majestic. Tho, Pearl Jam never played on oscar. Tie breaker goes to The Hill...this time.
Post by: KITNfury on December 13, 2020, 09:40:25 AM
Honestly impressed that he didn't pinch his nose closed before he jumped.:ROFL:
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 04, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 07:58:27 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2021, 08:15:40 PM
that’s what he needs to keep his job
Nope.
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 08:21:44 PM
that’s what he needs to keep his job
Nope.
They gonna extend him after failing to make the tournament 3 years in a row? I mean I guess they can just let him finish out his contract and not technically fire him in 2023. That would be really weird though.
Post by: chum1 on November 04, 2021, 08:22:18 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 08:28:46 PM
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2021, 08:29:16 PM
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2021, 08:29:43 PM
I’m pleasantly surprised with Landers
duhhhhhhhhhh rough ridin' called it
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 08:30:48 PM
I’m pleasantly surprised with Landers
duhhhhhhhhhh rough ridin' called it
His stroke from deep was niiiiiiice
Post by: chum1 on November 04, 2021, 08:41:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2021, 08:55:40 PM
that’s what he needs to keep his job
Nope.
They gonna extend him after failing to make the tournament 3 years in a row? I mean I guess they can just let him finish out his contract and not technically fire him in 2023. That would be really weird though.
Yeah, they'll extend him or he'll retire. If he has another disastrous season he's gone, but there's a lot of improvement that can be made without making the tournament.
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 04, 2021, 09:12:45 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 04, 2021, 09:18:44 PM
these anti oscar people are so boring
I honestly feel bad for them. They have missed out on some of the all time best players and teams in their lifetimes because of some stupid crap that makes no sense. And this group of players looks like it could be another great one they'll miss out on.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 04, 2021, 09:27:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 09:28:03 PM
if they show a lot of promise, can't risk blowing up the team. that might mean extra years of shitty rebuilding oscar after miguel/bradford/pack graduate, but he might be looking towards retirement anyways by then.
They are nice pieces but it’s not like some once in a lifetime group you need to stay together. Miguel is like 25 and may not even stick around anyway. They would have to bring in someone as good or better than Mark Smith in 2022 and McGuirl is leaving as well.
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2021, 09:44:27 PM
I honestly feel bad for them. They have missed out on some of the all time best players and teams in their lifetimes because of some stupid crap that makes no sense. And this group of players looks like it could be another great one they'll miss out on.
elite 8 run without our best player was some of my most memorable as a cat fan. if they can't enjoy that, they don't deserve better.
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 09:57:45 PM
was wade/brown/stokes once in a lifetime? i think this group is on that level with potential to be better.I honestly feel bad for them. They have missed out on some of the all time best players and teams in their lifetimes because of some stupid crap that makes no sense. And this group of players looks like it could be another great one they'll miss out on.
elite 8 run without our best player was some of my most memorable as a cat fan. if they can't enjoy that, they don't deserve better.
None of these three are close to as good as Claws, had he stayed healthy he would have been an AA. We wouldn’t be walking away from Beas Bill and Pullen here and who’s to say they wouldn’t stick around with a new coach anyway.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2021, 10:02:18 PM
if they show a lot of promise, can't risk blowing up the team. that might mean extra years of shitty rebuilding oscar after miguel/bradford/pack graduate, but he might be looking towards retirement anyways by then.
They are nice pieces but it’s not like some once in a lifetime group you need to stay together. Miguel is like 25 and may not even stick around anyway. They would have to bring in someone as good or better than Mark Smith in 2022 and McGuirl is leaving as well.
How many minutes did Mike get? Seems like his minutes were way down, even with Nijel coming back from an injury.
Ugh, 27 minutes, still too much.
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 10:06:40 PM
It is not anti oscar to discuss a coach who has put together two of the worst back to back seasons based on tenure length in Kstate history.
He’s had one P5 worthy recruiting class in the last 5 years and it’s about to be one out of six after the 2022 class. You can’t sustain any level of program success that way. Unfortunately objectively criticizing oscar’s shortcomings gets you labeled a oscar hater. He had some really nice years for us over the last decade and I think overall his tenure was as good as anyone else we could have hired in 2012 but he needs to go.
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2021, 10:10:51 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2021, 10:27:17 PM
1 p5 class in the last 6 is the dumbest thing i've ever seen posted
I’ll wait for you to show me which class outside of 2020 qualifies. I get it most people on this board have completely checked out from KSU basketball and I don’t blame you but you are way out of your depth here.
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2021, 10:35:24 PM
and i'll whoop anyone's butt that says logan landers isn't going to be the rough ridin' man.
Post by: Tobias on November 04, 2021, 10:37:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 12:00:35 AM
https://twitter.com/fanman_ksu/status/1456431158779068419?s=21
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 02:37:10 PM
Missed Landers….
https://twitter.com/fanman_ksu/status/1456431158779068419?s=21
Rivals? What kind of 3rd tier site is this?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 02:46:44 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 02:49:23 PM
Welcome, “new” member SimoHayaI bet it's TBT
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 03:07:23 PM
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 03:09:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 05, 2021, 06:10:40 PM
Welcome, “new” member SimoHayaI bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
Post by: CHONGS on November 05, 2021, 06:19:04 PM
Coincidentally enough, our new sharp shooter has the same IP address you had ten years ago.Welcome, “new” member SimoHayaI bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 06:51:10 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 05, 2021, 06:54:40 PM
Coincidentally enough, our new sharp shooter has the same IP address you had ten years ago.Welcome, “new” member SimoHayaI bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
The inertia involved is kinda sad.
Post by: CHONGS on November 05, 2021, 06:55:10 PM
I am Willie, how did you figure it out Mr. Admin?I don't think you are.
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 06:57:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 05, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
I have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
Ironically enough you're trying too hard, therefore you're boring as eff.
Post by: wetwillie on November 05, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
Coincidentally enough, our new sharp shooter has the same IP address you had ten years ago.Welcome, “new” member SimoHayaI bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
Tobias that sneaky SOB
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 05, 2021, 07:20:08 PM
YupI have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
Ironically enough you're trying too hard, therefore you're boring as eff.
Post by: SimoHayha on November 05, 2021, 07:45:26 PM
I have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
Ironically enough you're trying too hard, therefore you're boring as eff.
How many layers of irony is that in?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 06, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
WTactualF?
This is straight-up coaching malpractice, but it certainly answers the question of why our offense flounders so often and devolves into throwing the ball around aimlessly until someone jacks up a bad three. It means no plays designed to get Pack an open loo, or to get Bradford the ball in the post or play off that asset.
Hearing that certainly tempered any optimism i have for the season or the program until that lump of coal is fired.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2021, 12:50:25 PM
Did you forget how robotic the offense looks under oscar and how they don't seem to know what to do when something gets taken away?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 06, 2021, 04:27:40 PM
Good, he has good offensive weapons, happy to see that he won't be joysticking them and they won't be playing like uncreative brainless drones.
Did you forget how robotic the offense looks under oscar and how they don't seem to know what to do when something gets taken away?
I'll grant you he can't coach offense worth a lick. But maybe a little structure would help prevent excessive turnovers, panic threes as the clock runs down, players getting into each others' way and the usual costly late-game fuckups.
The real question here is why is that dumb ass still our coach?
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 06, 2021, 05:36:23 PM
Post by: Winters on November 06, 2021, 05:40:05 PM
One of the plays should be where the little pg we have throws an alley oop dunk to Davion BradfordWhat if they combine together and make a "super person", ya know, like kicking & screaming (I know that is a soccer film but wow could you imagine?) :sdeek:
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2021, 05:55:17 PM
“Plays“ is different than “structure.” Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”
and you can also have "structure" that isn't "plays" that still lead to players overthinkng what they're supposed to be standing and nothing meaningful happens until Angel Rodriguez or The Flush bail the offense out by attacking the rim at the end of the shot clock.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 07, 2021, 07:55:43 PM
“Plays“ is different than “structure.” Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”
and you can also have "structure" that isn't "plays" that still lead to players overthinkng what they're supposed to be standing and nothing meaningful happens until Angel Rodriguez or The Flush bail the offense out by attacking the rim at the end of the shot clock.
It’s the difference between being outstanding and out standing
Post by: ChiComCat on November 08, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Post by: nicname on November 08, 2021, 12:20:35 PM
Plays are for end of game, in-bounds, or to take advantage of mismatches. I agree with everyone about having a structure but avoiding oscar micromanaging, which is generally terrible. His good teams all had PGs that can run the offense without his meddling.
But boy does he meddle! I think his micromanaging is good for the defense. not so for the offense.
Check out this awesome freelance offense ran by Scott Davenport's Bellarmine Knights. They don't shoot many threes, or do many ball screens, but space the floor and do tons of cutting and off-ball screens. They're offense remained highly efficient last season after transitioning from DII to DI, and were again one of the best FG% teams in the country (not sure about eFG).
They also don't have a player taller than 6'7" on the roster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2T4bJh165g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZm146XrLYU
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 10, 2021, 09:39:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2021, 04:44:30 PM
Nearly all forecasters are picking us last, which is kind of puzzling given Iowa State and TCU still exist. I'll guess sixth or seventh with about 17 wins.
Iowa State unanimously last place in both the preseason coaches poll and one vote short in the media poll and tcu got that other 10th place vote. We were significantly closer to 7th than 10th.
Post by: rob mccolley on November 12, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
I see from this thread that you guys are experiencing the 2007 season, except you don't have any of Billy Gillispie's recruits remaining.
Your team will score exactly 58 points per game more often than it doesn't.
Post by: rob mccolley on November 12, 2021, 08:00:08 AM
Brooth still thinks of the game as something that must be endured.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 12, 2021, 09:16:46 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on November 12, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
in a Brad Underwood press conference yesterday, I can tell you that he actually mentioned the fan experience of watching entertaining basketball.
:frown:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2021, 09:56:48 AM
In 2019 when we won a conference championship we were 98th in adjusted offense and 339th in adjusted tempo. Brad Underwood's fun Illinois squad was 83rd in adjusted offense and 52nd in tempo, they went 12-21.
It's been a decade since oscar got fired from Illinois, he's greatly outperformed the like 8 coaches they've had in that time. I'll be damned if I let these clowns come over here and try to flex on us. Win something then talk.
oscar can't hear any of this because he has two Big 12 championship rings plugging his ears.
Post by: mocat on November 12, 2021, 10:47:27 AM
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Post by: rob mccolley on November 12, 2021, 11:41:50 AM
Mr. Rain's we/they viewpoint is not uncommon in the sports world, of course. But I think most of you Emaws understand that I'm not here for an out-group turf war.
But just FYI Rain, Brad did win* the Big 10 last year, and its tournament.
Post by: dal9 on November 12, 2021, 12:06:13 PM
:dubious:
Mr. Rain's we/they viewpoint is not uncommon in the sports world, of course. But I think most of you Emaws understand that I'm not here for an out-group turf war.
But just FYI Rain, Brad did win* the Big 10 last year, and its tournament.
i don't understand why you are here
Post by: CHONGS on November 12, 2021, 01:40:47 PM
Post by: SimoHayha on November 12, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
Winning basketball games is fun basketball. No one said a damn thing about fun when we averaged 60 points a game during the elite eight run. We scored more points against Loyola Chicago than we did against Kentucky. Which of those games was more fun? BTW K-State also scored more points against Loyola Chicago than Illinois.
In 2019 when we won a conference championship we were 98th in adjusted offense and 339th in adjusted tempo. Brad Underwood's fun Illinois squad was 83rd in adjusted offense and 52nd in tempo, they went 12-21.
It's been a decade since oscar got fired from Illinois, he's greatly outperformed the like 8 coaches they've had in that time. I'll be damned if I let these clowns come over here and try to flex on us. Win something then talk.
oscar can't hear any of this because he has two Big 12 championship rings plugging his ears.
I dunno why we flex with shared titles followed by .500 (or worse seasons) and an early exit in the round of 64... That is beyond embarrassing in my eyes. But KSU fans will keep those shared titles with KU during their down years and hold them as high as they can while we have mediocre coach. That elite 8 run was the worst thing to happen, because it was a terrible excuse to give oscar an extension.
We failed Brad Underwood twice. He needs to come home soon. Can't let the boomers in here hold him back, sad!
Post by: star seed 7 on November 12, 2021, 02:54:17 PM
holy crap we were 9-20 last year? :sdeek:
No way, lmao
Post by: ChiComCat on November 12, 2021, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
I love the salty tears of losers who qualify our basketball titles with “shared” in front.
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2021, 03:15:02 PM
Incredibly losery behaviorIf you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
I love the salty tears of losers who qualify our basketball titles with “shared” in front.
Post by: SimoHayha on November 12, 2021, 06:33:51 PM
If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
Yeah, sharing a title and having 2 bad years (more than likely 3 at this point) following is totally fun and awesome. We know exactly ONCE how it feels to get out of the round of 64 with Weber.
Keep propping up ya boi, and keep settling for below average. Fans like you never deserved Frank either, you were in the group that wanted him gone because he yelled too much and explains why you support a man who never raises his voice. Pathetic.
Post by: CHONGS on November 12, 2021, 06:38:01 PM
Post by: SimoHayha on November 12, 2021, 06:54:52 PM
Post by: Winters on November 12, 2021, 07:08:24 PM
I like it when posters from other schools visit.Me too
Post by: dal9 on November 12, 2021, 10:37:03 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 14, 2021, 08:16:10 AM
There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbhWhat about Pig Fuker?
Post by: chum1 on November 14, 2021, 08:29:22 AM
As for other fans, it's been a while but I enjoyed The Shocker.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 14, 2021, 10:10:59 AM
1. Spracne
2. Beems
3. Bread
4. Cdubya
5. ???
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 14, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
Who are the top 5 non-emaw posters on this blog?What in the world? Where is havs?
1. Spracne
2. Beems
3. Bread
4. Cdubya
5. ???
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 14, 2021, 10:22:19 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 14, 2021, 10:45:20 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 14, 2021, 12:51:39 PM
There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbhWhat about Pig Fuker?
I'm pretty sure that was an Arkansas sock.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2021, 02:42:09 PM
There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbhWhat about Pig Fuker?
I'm pretty sure that was an Arkansas sock.
lol
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2021, 02:43:55 PM
Post by: jasn88cubs on November 14, 2021, 04:15:22 PM
Kansas State Basketball / Re: Wild Wildcats Vs. Lasalle game thread
« on: March 22, 2013, 03:02:59 PM »
i have seen this many times
Kansas St will come back, take the lead, go to the stall offense and end up losing by 4
(I was off by 2 points)
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 14, 2021, 09:12:16 PM
I always thought of BMW as basically a KU wacky. Is this not accurate?What made beems bitb is that he could troll a fanbase that was actively looking out for trolls. I think what made him great was like…gather up the most annoying Ku takes and he would recite them to the letter…but what set him apart was you couldn’t tell if he was just trolling or if he sincerely believed the opinions he espoused. It’s a fine line and he walked it perfectly.
Post by: chum1 on November 15, 2021, 07:48:45 AM
Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 15, 2021, 08:32:38 AM
If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
Yeah, sharing a title and having 2 bad years (more than likely 3 at this point) following is totally fun and awesome. We know exactly ONCE how it feels to get out of the round of 64 with Weber.
Keep propping up ya boi, and keep settling for below average. Fans like you never deserved Frank either, you were in the group that wanted him gone because he yelled too much and explains why you support a man who never raises his voice. Pathetic.
This is a parody, right? FYI, I don't like oscar and would like him fired. I'll also allow myself to feel joy over our B12 titles. They're not mutually exclusive.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on November 15, 2021, 04:16:57 PM
Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
JFC a simple yes or no would have gotten it done.
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2021, 04:44:46 PM
Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
JFC a simple yes or no would have gotten it done.
Just because you lack townie credentials doesn’t entitle you to hate on the man
Post by: sys on November 15, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
i remember scavenging for change, and the occasional scrap of paper money, under the bleachers as a young lad.
Post by: stunted on November 16, 2021, 12:10:59 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2021, 01:04:50 AM
Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
:love: very cool, thanks for sharing
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 17, 2021, 07:01:38 PM
Post by: rob mccolley on November 21, 2021, 12:06:00 AM
But hey, Goebbels is ascendant these days. It's hard to argue with people who shout you down. Kansas certainly isn't immune to tribalism.
Do you Emaws want any updates from the upcoming Hall thing? The postgame stuff is all Zoom, but the rest of the coverage is live.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2021, 02:56:52 AM
:horrorsurprise: Having loosely scanned the last two pages (since my last visit), finna guess that this board remains mostly Emaw with a slightly larger fraction of My Country Right Or Wrong members, at least since the last time I hung out here.
But hey, Goebbels is ascendant these days. It's hard to argue with people who shout you down. Kansas certainly isn't immune to tribalism.
Do you Emaws want any updates from the upcoming Hall thing? The postgame stuff is all Zoom, but the rest of the coverage is live.
How was the fan experience of that Marquette game?
Post by: hemmy on November 21, 2021, 08:52:38 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2021, 09:40:19 PM
The internet really can compare absolutely anything to Hitler and the nazis
Perfectly rational to compare fans of a college basketball team to THE holocaust propagandist.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2021, 07:40:16 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 22, 2021, 07:41:05 PM
Illinois basketball fan experience is down bad.In shambles frankly.
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Post by: wetwillie on November 23, 2021, 08:39:22 PM
Not yet. 22-45 isn't bad enough.
It’s almost over
Post by: PurpleOil on November 23, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 23, 2021, 08:55:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2021, 08:55:56 PM
their crap talking on here is always hilariously mistimed
We really should be brothers, I love watching Brad and Chet on their bench, but they want to be wierdos and hold a grudge against someone they fired. You'd think they'd want the best for oscar, but when you haven't won crap, I guess it makes you bitter.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2021, 08:58:05 PM
IKR. Half the rough ridin' fanbase is going to insist he needs to stay becausse the team has improved from last year, forgetting last year was historically bad. Others will say we need to keep the team core together, which is going for one good season rather than building a program. Time to pull off the bandaid.
It's over, he's going to retire at the end of the year. Gene didn't hire that dude. If he wasn't loyal to Bill, he won't be to oscar. This time next year oscar will be chilling in Scottsdale.
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Post by: Spracne on March 09, 2022, 10:23:32 PM
Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2022, 10:41:27 PM
Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Post by: Spracne on March 09, 2022, 10:44:55 PM
Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2022, 11:37:55 PM
Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
It wouldn't bother you if you though it was meritless.
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 12:02:15 AM
Post by: schreds21 on March 10, 2022, 07:47:00 AM
That was about the only thing he said that I didn't take exception with.Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 08:00:38 AM
We can only hope that is the last 6 minutes of validation seeking we ever have to hear from that guySTFU dude, that was cool and he gave a lot to this university. Keep being a douche on his way out.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 08:02:54 AM
ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 08:04:28 AM
Yeah, Spracs is out of character here. eff your school and their cheating asses, bro!Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
It wouldn't bother you if you though it was meritless.
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 08:20:28 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2022, 08:40:40 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 09:07:14 AM
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Post by: CNS on March 10, 2022, 09:20:17 AM
Our next coach is going to suck so bad.
I am not allowing myself to expect anything better than to be underwhelmed.
Bulletproof.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 10, 2022, 09:34:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 09:37:14 AM
That did not make me like oscar anymore. Came off as someone who has put it on cruise control the last few years and points to the past and says remember that.It pointed to me as a guy who gave it his all and he's having his ole yeller moment before the trigger is pulled. :dunno: I would too!
Post by: pissclams on March 10, 2022, 09:50:48 AM
ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 09:51:22 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 10:07:23 AM
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2022, 10:11:21 AM
Tournament is a crap shoot. I just want a dude that can make it consistently.Absolutely. If he just managed to get us into the Tournament all but 1 or 2 years, I’d be all aboard the oscar train, even if we usually get bounced before the sweet 16.
That’s by far the worst part of his resume on paper. Hard to thumb your nose at any coach who brings an Elite Eight appearance and two conference titles, but missing the tournament entirely is a KITN every single time.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 10, 2022, 10:18:40 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2022, 10:20:57 AM
ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
Yeah any chance I had to care about oscar went out the door with that. Bad form.
Post by: outofstate on March 10, 2022, 10:21:26 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2022, 10:22:20 AM
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 10:24:13 AM
Post by: CNS on March 10, 2022, 10:30:05 AM
Just received a message from my son that he has resigned. Haven't seen it anywhere else.
"Friendship ended with oscar.
Now gE is my Best friend. "
- KSUBB
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 10, 2022, 10:30:56 AM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-basketball-weber-resigns-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx (https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-basketball-weber-resigns-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx)
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2022, 10:36:05 AM
Just received a message from my son that he has resigned. Haven't seen it anywhere else.
first pass i read that as re-signed
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 10:58:58 AM
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:02:18 AM
Only a certain type of clown continually goes to battle for a person that is the
Post by: DQ12 on March 10, 2022, 11:05:56 AM
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 11:07:13 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2022, 11:08:17 AM
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on March 10, 2022, 11:09:09 AM
Quote
The terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
What does this mean regarding his buyout?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:09:56 AM
The Brucecuses were a prime example of continually passing the buck or blaming something or someone else for the inability for the program under oscar Weber to perform at critical times.:lol:
Only a certain type of clown continually goes to battle for a person that is the4th3rd highest paid employee in the State of Kansas, when that 3rd highest paid employee in the state of Kansas continually attempts to deflect from their failures.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Don't waste your time.
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 11:12:36 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:12:47 AM
People went complete ape crap over his hire and a bunch of ppl wrote off his big 12 tourney at first, because of "franks players". Nobody else got treated like this when they were brought on at K-State. His successes never really mattered to the BID'rs. They were waiting for the house to fall from day 1. Jokes on them tho.He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:15:21 AM
Based on tenure, the worst overall conference record, by far an away the worst record against our instate rival (based on tenure length) and the easily the lowest level of success ever in the NCAA tourney based on tenure . . . the joke is on you.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:16:13 AM
Also, don't engage 'dax. Dude loves to try and evaluate everyone, but himself. He's scum and a colossal white trash, Alabama loser. #FACTS
The meltdown has begun.
#onbrand
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:18:34 AM
Yes, everyone, one of the worst 3 year runs in K-State Basketball history is all on you.2 conference championships. One for the first time since 1977 and one to break "the streak". 50% on making the tourney in his 10 years. Good crap, dax. He's gone, move on, start pivoting to how Brad Underwood sucks because he can't make the 2nd week of the tourney. We can't wait.
Based on tenure, the worst overall conference record, by far an away the worst record against our instate rival (based on tenure length) and the easily the lowest level of success ever in the NCAA tourney based on tenure . . . the joke is on you.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 11:20:13 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:20:21 AM
We have a great example of this on this blog.
Post by: DQ12 on March 10, 2022, 11:23:25 AM
Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.I think everyone here recognized that it was time for oscar to go, so I'm not really sure what or who you're talking about.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 11:25:14 AM
/QuoteThe terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
What does this mean regarding his buyout?
His ass was canned and he's getting paid for that accordingly.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
Yup!Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.I think everyone here recognized that it was time for oscar to go, so I'm not really sure what or who you're talking about.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:27:54 AM
Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.I think everyone here recognized that it was time for oscar to go, so I'm not really sure what or who you're talking about.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
Recognizing that oscar needed to go, and the bent that certain people are on are two distinctly different things.
You must have people blocked.
Post by: WildcatNation on March 10, 2022, 11:32:46 AM
Yes, everyone, one of the worst 3 year runs in K-State Basketball history is all on you.2 conference championships. One for the first time since 1977 and one to break "the streak". 50% on making the tourney in his 10 years. Good crap, dax. He's gone, move on, start pivoting to how Brad Underwood sucks because he can't make the 2nd week of the tourney. We can't wait.
Based on tenure, the worst overall conference record, by far an away the worst record against our instate rival (based on tenure length) and the easily the lowest level of success ever in the NCAA tourney based on tenure . . . the joke is on you.
He also lost to a D2 school at home by 20 and had the worst 3 year stretch in program history. 2 Conference championships do not make up for that, and his tournament resume (which matters to most people alot more than conference titles) is even worse.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:33:26 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 11:36:30 AM
/QuoteThe terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
What does this mean regarding his buyout?
His ass was canned and he's getting paid for that accordingly.
Yes, Gene just paid $400,000 to fire him three weeks before his buyout was reduced.
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:43:32 AM
Edit: It sounds like a presser
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:48:10 AM
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 11:48:43 AM
I'd like to think that we were willing to go ahead and pay the buyout because we already have Coach Pitino lined up. I guess time will tell, though.
Well he suddenly has a lot of unforeseen free time.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 10, 2022, 11:50:24 AM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:Dont think Pullen wanted oscar to be the coach when his jersey was retired.
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Post by: Justwin on March 10, 2022, 11:50:48 AM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:52:03 AM
:clap: Some posters apparently blacked out the past 10 years.He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 11:54:19 AM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Well he only worked for two ADs and I don't know how he could have an issue with either of those dudes. As far as the jersey retirements go, Pullen and Beasley aren't going to have a ceremony without Frank here, so those are going to have to wait, certainly oscar knows this. I love Claws and The Flush, they are 100% K-State and State of Kansas hall of famers, I would have to look at the numbers to see if they should have their jerseys retired though. I really don't think we should be like KU and essentially retire everyone who was a multi-year starter.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:55:04 AM
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 11:55:34 AM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
Yep, and when he's rightfully dragged for his constant stream of excuses and his constant passive aggressive stream of consciousness, there are people who get upset.
For example, the thing with the hair is absolutely childish on every conceivable level. He's not protesting world hunger, or genocide. He's a multi-millionaire protesting that other multi-millionaires don't play by the rules of a game run by a multi-billion dollar entity while he works for a $100 million dollar atheltic department, and works inside a $25 million dollar building with an office that many CEO's would be envious of . . . 1000% childish.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 11:55:38 AM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:Dont think Pullen wanted oscar to be the coach when his jersey was retired.
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Pullen literally rebutted this himself like inside of the last month and a half and it was documented on this very board.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 11:55:56 AM
AgreedHe just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Well he only worked for two ADs and I don't know how he could have an issue with either of those dudes. As far as the jersey retirements go, Pullen and Beasley aren't going to have a ceremony without Frank here, so those are going to have to wait, certainly oscar knows this. I love Claws and The Flush, they are 100% K-State and State of Kansas hall of famers, I would have to look at the numbers to see if they should have their jerseys retired though. I really don't think we should be like KU and essentially retire everyone who was a multi-year starter.
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2022, 11:56:09 AM
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
Despite the amount of words used, this is the succinct and correct response imo. I'd add that his entire tenure occurring in a generally very polarized era only exacerbated all of these things.
Post by: dal9 on March 10, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
https://twitter.com/lifeoffitz/status/1501976216588402691
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 12:06:28 PM
He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
I about spit out my drink when I heard that. You got most of his answer right but I feel you missed a part after that statement where he circled back and said "Gottlieb? That was the stupidest thing ever"
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 12:08:08 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 12:08:13 PM
Post by: CNS on March 10, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
Did we treat him fairly? No. A lot of the negativity was actually anger at the John Currie(who can still go eff himself on fire) stupidity and how JC was a complete fuckhead and how JC pushed oscar out in front. Like it or not but oscar took arrows for JC as well as for oscar not being what fans who loved Junkyard Cat BB wanted.
That all said, eff him and his stance about fans hurting Kstate. That’s asinine. Kstate literally has all of the control in these situations. eff him.
Post by: Justwin on March 10, 2022, 12:09:41 PM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
This is how oscar comes across:
I coached nearly perfectly, but not perfectly, so I can do better. However, if everyone else had done their job correctly or didn't suck (including my players) or hadn't screwed us over (schedule makers), I wouldn't have to have been perfect in my coaching.
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2022, 12:10:00 PM
It wasn’t all the losing that caused us to lose, it was the negativity about that losing? Is the below what he actually said? Because lmao if so.
https://twitter.com/lifeoffitz/status/1501976216588402691
If true, this is the type of thing that makes the alleged sincerity of his accepting ultimate responsibility that much less believable.
Every statement he makes about being responsible, is immediately countermanded by additional statements that clearly indicate that he doesn't believe his own words about ultimate accountability.
Post by: stunted on March 10, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 12:12:22 PM
That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
This is how oscar comes across:
I coached nearly perfectly, but not perfectly, so I can do better. However, if everyone else had done their job correctly or didn't suck (including my players) or hadn't screwed us over (schedule makers), I wouldn't have to have been perfect in my coaching.
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
Post by: mocat on March 10, 2022, 12:13:42 PM
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 12:14:23 PM
I agree with oscar. We have some shitty, dumbass fansYeah and now a lot of these fans are having a hard time hearing it. Sad.
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
Post by: mocat on March 10, 2022, 12:17:49 PM
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
yeah Justwin, which is it?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 12:20:37 PM
I read the first part of his post where he said he literally fouled Brown out in the first half of the tourney, mocat. Get a grip, guy.He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
yeah Justwin, which is it?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 10, 2022, 12:21:47 PM
He just dragged gE! :lol:dang...
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1501979047542374401?s=20&t=spmGnkhrLcLJ2t6GFtN2aw
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 12:25:24 PM
Post by: Justwin on March 10, 2022, 12:27:14 PM
I read the first part of his post where he said he literally fouled Brown out in the first half of the tourney, mocat. Get a grip, guy.He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
yeah Justwin, which is it?
You should review the difference between literal and literalist.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2022, 12:27:53 PM
I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've beenHave to be fair. This is true.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 10, 2022, 12:29:45 PM
I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've beenHave to be fair. This is true.
Who would have thought gE posters would make shitty heady coach hiring decisions.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:31:43 PM
He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
This is how oscar comes across:
I coached nearly perfectly, but not perfectly, so I can do better. However, if everyone else had done their job correctly or didn't suck (including my players) or hadn't screwed us over (schedule makers), I wouldn't have to have been perfect in my coaching.
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
Can't argue with that
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:33:55 PM
oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:37:37 PM
Lol the guys on 810 are dragging oscar now calling him a soft whiny loser.
Those midday guys on 810 are legit stupid motherfuckers. I listened to them last week talk about oscar after the Tech game and they were so dumb I wanted to injure myself. It is very clear the host doesn't watch a lick of big 12 basketball. eff those clowns with a nightstick.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 12:39:04 PM
oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
I agree that Frank doesn't win the title with that team but I also don't think oscar wins the conference title without Frank having coached them for 3 years.
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 12:40:14 PM
They do suck in general but I thoroughly enjoyed them spending 10 minutes talking about how oscar is a whiny bitch.Lol the guys on 810 are dragging oscar now calling him a soft whiny loser.
Those midday guys on 810 are legit stupid motherfuckers. I listened to them last week talk about oscar after the Tech game and they were so dumb I wanted to injure myself. It is very clear the host doesn't watch a lick of big 12 basketball. eff those clowns with a nightstick.
Ohhh, is the social media too negative? Why don't you try finishing better than 9th in the Big12 3 years in a row.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:40:54 PM
I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've beenHave to be fair. This is true.
Who would have thought gE posters would make shitty heady coach hiring decisions.
It wasn't just gE and I don't think what ChiTown and KK are saying equates to a shitty coaching decision. He could have been amazing, he could have been a flame out or something in the middle, we'll never know.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:41:19 PM
oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
I agree that Frank doesn't win the title with that team but I also don't think oscar wins the conference title without Frank having coached them for 3 years.
I agree
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 12:42:17 PM
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've beenHave to be fair. This is true.
Gottlieb would’ve had us loaded with recruits before moving on after a few years and we’d have found another one like him to keep recruiting and rolling the ball out.
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 12:44:29 PM
oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
I agree that Frank doesn't win the title with that team but I also don't think oscar wins the conference title without Frank having coached them for 3 years.
Frank might not have had that team and instead had some addition by subtraction after Shannon Spradling’s mutiny.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 10, 2022, 12:46:38 PM
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Post by: DQ12 on March 10, 2022, 12:47:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:52:22 PM
Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
That passion fueled K-State basketball under Frank, it is absolutely a missing piece right now.
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 12:53:41 PM
Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
Comes with the territory at a university imo. NBD.
Post by: CHONGS on March 10, 2022, 12:55:57 PM
I believe oscar is good guy and we he wanted to win (and win in a way he felt was right), but there was a reason we was fired by Illinois and there was a reason we was effectively fired by KSU. He's not a victim here. He has earned millions upon millions of dollars, but his failures are his own.
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2022, 12:56:38 PM
Yep. Regardless of who we hire I can say with confidence I’ll pay way more attention to KSU basketball than I probably have in at least 5 years.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
That passion fueled K-State basketball under Frank, it is absolutely a missing piece right now.
Post by: mocat on March 10, 2022, 01:05:57 PM
oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
yeah of course it was amazing. it had been 8 years since anybody besides Texas had even tied KU for the conference title. so yeah you needed to bring some talent to win it.
that said, the game referenced in my post is still absolutely infuriating. that should have been a party
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 01:09:15 PM
oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
yeah of course it was amazing. it had been 8 years since anybody besides Texas had even tied KU for the conference title. so yeah you needed to bring some talent to win it.
that said, the game referenced in my post is still absolutely infuriating. that should have been a party
JO's minutes were ridiculous. He was dominating that game. The biggest difference between P5 and a mid-major is usually size and we wasted it.
Post by: mocat on March 10, 2022, 01:17:21 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Post by: OB_Won on March 10, 2022, 01:29:49 PM
(https://gobison.com/images/2019/10/7/Richman_David2.jpg?width=300)
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Uh yeah.
Post by: Havs on March 10, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Next?
(https://gobison.com/images/2019/10/7/Richman_David2.jpg?width=300)
He's actually a decent coach but wouldn't exactly move the needle.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Not a whole lot of elite but a bunch of guys who knew their roles and played hard. They were consistent enough to beat the bottom of the conference every time out which made the LaSalle loss that much stranger.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 10, 2022, 02:14:38 PM
is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?man those were some good bbs'ing days. every game spawned a new rich new layers of memes etc that would be enjoyed for weeks.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2022, 02:15:28 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 10, 2022, 02:20:47 PM
I’m fine with whomever at this pointsame
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 10, 2022, 02:22:06 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 10, 2022, 02:35:11 PM
He just dragged gE! :lol:dang...
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1501979047542374401?s=20&t=spmGnkhrLcLJ2t6GFtN2aw
LOOOOL
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 02:37:23 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 02:39:42 PM
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
I’m fine with whomever at this point
But what if it’s Brad?!?!?
Post by: CHONGS on March 10, 2022, 02:58:40 PM
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2022, 02:59:28 PM
Which Brad?
Not Korn.
No offense to Korn.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 10, 2022, 03:25:29 PM
https://twitter.com/CooleyKellz7/status/1502024862403117062?s=20&t=spmGnkhrLcLJ2t6GFtN2aw
Post by: dal9 on March 10, 2022, 03:46:53 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 03:48:24 PM
i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
Talking head - it was a wild ass idea
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 03:49:28 PM
i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking headNo, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 10, 2022, 03:56:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2022, 03:57:44 PM
:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
Post by: dal9 on March 10, 2022, 03:59:28 PM
i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking headNo, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 04:00:31 PM
:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
Yes he can stay on Brad’s bench
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 04:01:22 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 04:02:30 PM
Yeah, a lot of his recent Twitter takes wouldn’t have aged well for the many on here wanting him. That’s the funniest thing about time.i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking headNo, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 04:03:16 PM
I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.:lol: :lol:
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 04:04:24 PM
i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking headNo, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
And he lost a free throw bet to my buddy and ran off before paying the 1k.
But 2012 Doug was a fresh face former player who announced big12 games for ESPN and helped popularize the OOD nickname.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 04:08:07 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 10, 2022, 04:08:29 PM
Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
agreed BUT breaking the sink was an all-time great moment of emaw bbs'n history :emawkid:
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 04:09:00 PM
i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking headNo, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
And he lost a free throw bet to my buddy and ran off before paying the 1k.
But 2012 Doug was a fresh face former player who announced big12 games for ESPN and helped popularize the OOD nickname.
KSU or the lack thereof really mumped him up.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2022, 04:12:51 PM
Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2022, 04:16:03 PM
I'm gonna miss oscar, but it was time for him to go. Liked his presser last night. You naysayers can cram it.I agree
Post by: 0.42 on March 10, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
yeah it wasn't supposed to be but it obvs turned into that in terms of outside perception
whatever, crap was weird/funny/kinda stupid in hindsight, it happens
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2022, 04:21:48 PM
I didn’t have time to bring a grill but I think we had hot dogs, lighter fluid and charcoal.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
yeah it wasn't supposed to be but it obvs turned into that in terms of outside perception
whatever, crap was weird/funny/kinda stupid in hindsight, it happens
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 04:24:01 PM
I didn’t have time to bring a grill but I think we had hot dogs, lighter fluid and charcoal.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
yeah it wasn't supposed to be but it obvs turned into that in terms of outside perception
whatever, crap was weird/funny/kinda stupid in hindsight, it happens
Bringing everything but the grill is a common mistake throughout the history of gE.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2022, 04:27:11 PM
:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
I will go on the record as saying that I really, really enjoyed the days when bramlage had good reason to be called the OOD. And i liked when our players were JYCs. Shane was a JYC, so I feel like he could make a team of JYCs.
I'm trying to think critically here and ask myself, "if we got back to the OOD, and our players were JYCs, would i care if we didn't make the tourney most of the time?" and i feel like the answer is yes i would care, but it would bother me a lot less because i at least enjoy the gameday atmosphere and the style of play.
Although to be fair...the only reason it was the OOD was because the on-court results were there. If we sucked and never made the tournament then the excitement would have tempered accordingly. So, aside from the first season maybe 2, the team would probably have to be showing signs of improvement or else the fans will not maintain the level of excitement worthy of the OOD moniker.
What i'm saying is, I stan as long as his guys are scrappy mfrs
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 10, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
I will go on the record as saying that I really, really enjoyed the days when bramlage had good reason to be called the OOD. And i liked when our players were JYCs. Shane was a JYC, so I feel like he could make a team of JYCs.
I'm trying to think critically here and ask myself, "if we got back to the OOD, and our players were JYCs, would i care if we didn't make the tourney most of the time?" and i feel like the answer is yes i would care, but it would bother me a lot less because i at least enjoy the gameday atmosphere and the style of play.
Although to be fair...the only reason it was the OOD was because the on-court results were there. If we sucked and never made the tournament then the excitement would have tempered accordingly. So, aside from the first season maybe 2, the team would probably have to be showing signs of improvement or else the fans will not maintain the level of excitement worthy of the OOD moniker.
What i'm saying is, I stan as long as his guys are scrappy mfrs
Of course we do, build-a-culture Jake.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?man those were some good bbs'ing days. every game spawned a new rich new layers of memes etc that would be enjoyed for weeks.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Nah, the board was already dying. It peaked during trash can gate, it never recovered from March 31, 2012. We threw all of our eggs into the oscar Weber was going to fail basket. We lost posters right away
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 05:03:10 PM
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 05:40:30 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 05:44:38 PM
Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
That was amazing.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 05:56:46 PM
Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
No, he heard about Jamar being suspended against Syracuse, trash can gate was before that, it was also broken here too by i believe either bsac or capt crap
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 06:08:46 PM
The trash can
Wacky in Pittsburgh
Frank in the CBS studio while plotting his exit
Will and Shannon Spradling
The Dallas hotel room
The search firm
The meltdown about Steve Alford before oscar v. Doug
gE being media darlings
The sink in Bramlage
Will Angel stay or go
I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 06:11:31 PM
There should really be a 30 for 30 about those two weeks in March for Kansas State basketball. it's the 10 year anniversary after all. There was so damn much going on.:love:
The trash can
Wacky in Pittsburgh
Frank in the CBS studio while plotting his exit
Will and Shannon Spradling
The Dallas hotel room
The search firm
The meltdown about Steve Alford before oscar v. Doug
gE being media darlings
The sink in Bramlage
Will Angel stay or go
I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff
Post by: slackcat on March 10, 2022, 06:12:25 PM
I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.
yep. Hard not to like him.
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 06:13:41 PM
I had forgotten about capt crap. He needs to pop back in to drop some nuggets about his time in the AD (or whatever his position was)Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
No, he heard about Jamar being suspended against Syracuse, trash can gate was before that, it was also broken here too by i believe either bsac or capt crap
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 06:19:08 PM
What recruits do you think we’d get without him right now?I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.
yep. Hard not to like him.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 06:24:59 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 06:32:41 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 06:39:06 PM
I'd love for Shane to get the job, but I'd love to hear from the people who would be fine with getting the job but thinks/thought the Gottlieb hire is any different. Maybe people are forgetting how close Gottlieb was to the Big 12 basketball and to the K-State program.
Gottlieb would have been a disaster and so would Shane at age 30. I definitely think he will get a head coaching job soon though similar to Kim English.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 06:50:56 PM
Shane has assistant coaching experience.
Believe me when I tell you that Gottlieb having grown up with college basketball coaches for a father and siblings and literally spending the entire college basketball season for a decade sitting with Big 12 coaches is just as relevant as Shane spending a year as a grad assistant and two years as the Director of Student Athlete Development.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2022, 07:08:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 07:20:04 PM
People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.not as dishonest as your part owner, who rough ridin' hates the school we root for. :dunno:
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2022, 07:22:34 PM
He had everything, aside from experience, that you'd want.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2022, 07:22:37 PM
I think he is honest but can be an bad person, there is a difference. I don’t think getting upset about him is probably going to change anything.People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.not as dishonest as your part owner, who rough ridin' hates the school we root for. :dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 07:29:24 PM
I don’t see how it helps at all tho. I’m absolutely guilty with this, but just annoyed. Dude doesn’t gaf and he gets a pass.I think he is honest but can be an bad person, there is a difference. I don’t think getting upset about him is probably going to change anything.People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.not as dishonest as your part owner, who rough ridin' hates the school we root for. :dunno:
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2022, 10:14:41 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 10:16:05 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 10:16:47 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2022, 10:20:02 PM
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar canHis point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
I don't have the energy or the memory to contest any of this. Could be right on target but let's just reflect on the last 24 hours and how many people oscar has dragged after his own team's performance down the stretch this year and past few years. I mean really gE is the reason you couldn't be liked? I seem to remember back in the days you mention he had multiple comments where he couldn't help but take 0 blame and turn it to his team but like I said I don't have the energy to remember for sure. He didn't simply come in hated and win a championship and remain hated because of social media. I mean.
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 11:03:44 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 11:04:59 PM
Post by: Trim on March 11, 2022, 01:42:50 AM
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article259280034.html
Quote
“He’s always been a hard-working, good guy. ... He’s had a great, great career. Some of us aren’t blessed to have walked into ready-made programs. And I think oscar is one of those guys,” West Virginia’s Bob Huggins said.
Does the writer think that huggins was saying that oscar ISN’T a guy that walked into ready-made programs? Is that what huggins said/meant and was he joking/drunk? Did he actually mean exactly what it says, that huggins and others had to build programs from scratch while oscar didn’t and the writer completely whiffed?
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2022, 06:36:46 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 11, 2022, 08:36:52 AM
he walked into an Illinois job and K-State job that were cruising
Post by: mocat on March 11, 2022, 08:40:41 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 11, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1502290464661192709?s=20&t=S2361EQFU4xtI6DIMvmsMQ
Post by: ChiComCat on March 11, 2022, 08:47:37 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 11, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 11, 2022, 09:12:01 AM
Post by: DQ12 on March 11, 2022, 09:22:52 AM
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Post by: steve dave on March 11, 2022, 09:33:20 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 11, 2022, 09:36:37 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 11, 2022, 09:55:22 AM
oscar blaming social media after a 10 year old job and that it wasn't that bad at other jobs is pretty hilarious honestly.It’s incredible absurdity. And it seemed like he was saying it dead seriously. lmao
Post by: Trim on March 11, 2022, 09:59:05 AM
Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
Like huggins thinks oscar is kindred and that neither of them got to walk into ready-made programs?
Pulled from wikipedia:
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Huggins:
Huggins was only 27 when he became a collegiate head coach at Walsh University in 1980. In three seasons at Walsh, he compiled a 71–26 record, twice earning NAIA District 22 Coach of the Year honors. Huggins directed the Walsh 1982–83 team to a perfect 30–0 regular season mark and an eventual 34–1 mark. After serving as an assistant at University of Central Florida for the 1983–84 season, Huggins was named head coach of the University of Akron. Huggins compiled a 97–46 record and reached post-season play in three of his five seasons at Akron, including an NCAA bid in 1985–86 season.
Cincinnati, while having a rich history, had fallen on hard times. Cincinnati appeared in 5 consecutive Final Fours from 1959 to 1963—and won the national championship in 1961 and 1962. By 1989, when Huggins was hired, though, the Bearcats had not earned a bid to the NCAA tournament since 1977. Even worse, Cincinnati had only one winning conference record in those 12 previous seasons. The Bearcats were invited to the NIT his first two years and then advanced all the way to the Final Four of the NCAA tournament in 1992, Huggins' third season as coach.
After spending a year out of the coaching profession, on March 23, 2006, Huggins accepted the head coaching job at Kansas State University,[14] replacing the fired Jim Wooldridge. The Wildcats had not been to the NCAA tournament since the 1995–1996 campaign and had not had a conference record better than 7–9 since the Big 12 Conference was formed in 1996. The previous three Kansas State basketball coaches (Dana Altman, Tom Asbury, and Wooldridge) had combined for a 236–232 (.504) record. In his sole season at Kansas State, Huggins coached the Wildcats to a 23–12 overall record, and a 10–6 Big 12 record. The Wildcats were not invited to the NCAA tournament but accepted an NIT bid and won one game.
On April 5, 2007, Huggins announced that he had accepted the position of head coach at his alma mater, West Virginia University. Huggins succeeded John Beilein who left to fill the same position with the Michigan Wolverines. Only nine games into the 2007–2008 season, the Mountaineers entered the AP Top 25 poll carrying a #24 ranking with an 8–1 record.
oscar:
In his five seasons at Southern Illinois, Weber led the Salukis to consecutive Missouri Valley Conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances in 2002 and 2003, including a Sweet Sixteen finish in 2002.
On April 30, 2003, Weber was hired by Illinois to replace Bill Self, who had departed from Illinois to take the head coaching job at Kansas.
On March 31, 2012, Weber was hired as head coach at Kansas State University, replacing Frank Martin, who had departed to become head coach at South Carolina.[1]
Not really much about "ready-made" in any excerpts, but lots of points made about the shittiness of the situations huggins entered, while we know the shape illinois and KSU were in when oscar entered.
If earnest, a reach by huggins.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
Post by: DQ12 on March 11, 2022, 10:11:38 AM
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2022, 10:16:46 AM
Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
Like huggins thinks oscar is kindred and that neither of them got to walk into ready-made programs?
Yeah. The context is him saying nice things about oscar. I'm not reading this much into it, but one could also take him to be kinda siding with Weber over someone like Self at a ready made program like Kansas.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 10:19:27 AM
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
He very much lost that press conference as well, he became that meme five minutes into his tenure, total disaster.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2022, 10:19:45 AM
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
He very much lost that press conference as well, he became that meme five minutes into his tenure, total disaster.
yes, he mangled every name.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 11, 2022, 10:28:23 AM
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*XSfm-ZTq_m10hFQ9K161FA.jpeg)
Post by: DQ12 on March 11, 2022, 10:29:44 AM
i don't think being embarrassed about showing up to a oscar weber/john currie protest is pathetic. nor am i apologizing for the passion that gE/_fans had, generally speaking.we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
also you're only 36? wtf?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 10:31:35 AM
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
like
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
i don't think being embarrassed about showing up to a oscar weber/john currie protest is pathetic. nor am i apologizing for the passion that gE/_fans had, generally speaking.we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
also you're only 36? wtf?
ouch
Post by: Trim on March 11, 2022, 10:54:02 AM
Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
Like huggins thinks oscar is kindred and that neither of them got to walk into ready-made programs?
Yeah. The context is him saying nice things about oscar. I'm not reading this much into it, but one could also take him to be kinda siding with Weber over someone like Self at a ready made program like Kansas.
:thumbs: Yeah, that would make sense if instead of saying a generic thing about oscar like the others did, that he thought he could take a side swipe at his own competitors in the process. Still, lol at that angle given oscar’s last 2 entry/exit positions.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 11, 2022, 11:35:35 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 11:55:25 AM
Agree. We have two data points in a row (a “trend”), that show that oscar cannot sustain a program at the level he inherited, and left both worse than the way he found them.
This is ridiculous.
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
Post by: DQ12 on March 11, 2022, 12:51:19 PM
ouchi know that sounded insulting. i just thought you were a few years older. probably because you have a bunch of non-baby kids.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 11, 2022, 12:59:12 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 11, 2022, 01:57:24 PM
Also, the high and mighty “clean program” thing just sounds like a fat ugly dude bragging about his pious chastity.
he's the guy that will call a charge in a pick up game.
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 02:13:18 PM
ouchi know that sounded insulting. i just thought you were a few years older. probably because you have a bunch of non-baby kids.
a fun thing about kk and mrs. kk is they basically got married when they were in like 8th grade