Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
Post by: pissclams on February 27, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
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Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2017, 11:05:57 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.
I really don't care when he's fired, it doesn't matter that much. For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO. Either way, I don't think it matters that much except to us fans who want the coach gone.
The real issue is whether or not Currie has started the process behind the scenes like any competent AD would do at this point. He should be going through back channels to talk to agents, etc. about level of interest.
Post by: KanSt43 on February 27, 2017, 11:20:56 AM
Post by: ednksu on February 27, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Post by: KITNfury on February 27, 2017, 11:35:17 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.Assuming we don't do what needs done to get to the NCAAs (which we won't), I want him fired before he gets to the locker room and the replacement announced less than 24 hours later just to drive home the point that he was a dead man walking for a while. Of course, I'm a Currie hater at this point too (probably unustified to a large degree, but whatevs), so I'd like them to help each other pack and move.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
Post by: BostonPancake on February 27, 2017, 11:39:06 AM
Circle of life.
Post by: rollingplains on February 27, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 27, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
Who invited this guy?2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
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Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
I felt the same way about Turner Gill and the other hefty coach you had that's name was not Mangino... cannot remember his name now.
Post by: #LIFE on February 27, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
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Whether you love him or not, coach oscar Weber has won a lot of basketball games. He may be on the hot seat in Manhattan but it may not be time to make a coaching change.
First of all, some believe oscar Weber’s Wildcats exceeded expectations this season.
Kansas State started strong with a 12-1 mark entering conference play. Only a 1 point loss to a tough Maryland team kept them from a perfect record.
As a result, the Associated Press recognized Kansas State for their hot start with 4 votes in the December 12, poll.
Also, the December 19, AP poll included the ‘Cats- with one vote.
Maybe fans should consider the national attention? Although it’s not huge, it certainly looked good at the time.
In October, coaches picked the Wildcats to finish 9th in the ten-team Big 12. By comparison, the same poll predicted Texas and their big-time talent to finish third.
oscar Weber’s team is currently sitting tied for 6th with two games to play. Shaka Smart’s Longhorns are tied for the Big 12’s basement.
Since Texas underperformed, maybe Smart should be on the hot seat rather than Weber?
The Wildcats play in the toughest conference in the country with an incredibly difficult round-robin schedule.
Ken Pomeroy, the guru who tracks college basketball strength of schedules and more keeps telling fans how good the basketball is in the Big 12..
Follow
Ken Pomeroy ? @kenpomeroy
Not only is the Big 12 the best conference, but it's the most exciting. 37% of games decided by 3 pts or less or in OT. No conference close.
5:25 PM - 25 Feb 2017
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It is especially important for fans to remember Weber picked up a milestone career victory this season. On December 6, Weber earned the 400th win of his coaching career when the ‘Cats beat Prairie View 74-55. There is something to be said for his experience.
Coach Weber knows how to win. Due to injury and other factors we have seen few wins in February. Fans are understandably angry. They expected much more from this senior class. Did they expected too much.
Finally, fans didn’t like Kansas State Athletic Director John Currie’s choice to replace Frank Martin.
Did you know Martin has not taken a team to the NCAA tournament since his final year at Kansas State? His team went to NIT last season. They lost in the 2nd round.
It will be fascinating to see how Weber’s ‘Cats finish the regular season. Stay tuned.
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
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Post by: Tobias on February 27, 2017, 12:44:49 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 27, 2017, 12:47:00 PM
yeesh pretty low bar to write for the jug
bunch of ku posts and apparently follows some creepy swinger thing on twitter
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
Post by: dmartin on February 27, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
Post by: deputy dawg on February 27, 2017, 01:38:51 PM
Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.
Wow, I hate to think of the probability of that happening. The agony of watching yet another men's BB team giving up on oscar. Even my KU friends were expressing sympathy for the spectacle that took place in Norman on Saturday.
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2017, 02:00:17 PM
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Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2017, 04:11:19 PM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
It's probably not a big deal, but some coaches (and possible candidates) don't like it.
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2017, 06:29:34 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
Post by: memphis on February 27, 2017, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: Canary on February 27, 2017, 09:17:02 PM
My birthday as well. There are a couple of things I'd like more for my birthday, but that would certainly make for a better day.Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
Post by: _33 on February 27, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2017, 09:52:03 AM
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Post by: Joker on February 28, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
Still not fired. Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.
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I'm thinking he's been holed up in his bedroom, staring into the mirror Stuart Smalley style, reaffirming his positive qualities.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
No AD to fire him??
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2017, 11:25:27 AM
Not fired.... Why not?
No AD to fire him??
SD will update
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2017, 11:35:43 AM
;)
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
Zero issue with him being broken off, and as most, I think, agree, a year too late.
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
oh go take a ride on a moped
;)
YOU HEARTLESS SON OF A BITCH!
No, I just meant I am anxiously awaiting an SD update
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 28, 2017, 12:43:36 PM
Maybe fans should consider the national attention?
Dunno about you 33 but I can and do remember every team receiving votes for as far back as I can remember. Hell, I don't even waste my time with the top 25 I just go straight to the important ones... The RVs. You can't buy that kind of publicity
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Post by: Gooch on February 28, 2017, 01:46:59 PM
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Post by: pvegs on February 28, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
Waiting for Bruce Weber news conference that was scheduled for 2 p.m. at Bramlage Coliseum. No sighting as of 2:17 p.m. pic.twitter.com/TbDbH9LA4G
— David Scott Fritchen (@DScottFritchen) February 28, 2017
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.
He would definitely have my attention
Post by: slackcat on February 28, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 02:52:12 PM
Helping John pack.
It's like a bad sitcom where oscar is meekly handing his dad, JC, stuff who is being kicked out of the home for cheating with Sheila his secretary. Currie is having to explain that it's not his fault when deep down inside JC knows oscar's constant need for mothering, weird speech tutor appointments, and a host of other doctors and therapists meant there wasn't enough time for daddy JC and momma KSU could work on their relationship.
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 03:18:14 PM
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 03:18:47 PM
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
I have a Coyote hook up now, if you ever need it.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2017, 03:21:47 PM
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
Post by: Tobias on February 28, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
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Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
Post by: pvegs on February 28, 2017, 04:24:53 PM
Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
that was my pt saturday. you work with guys for 5 years and don't even know there names, jeesh.
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
Our Pete would never write a letter to the Ed with me co-signing
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2017, 09:08:02 PM
Why not: general myers busy with hocutt woo'ing?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 03, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
:driving: :ksu: :cheers:
Post by: cfbandyman on March 03, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: PIPE on March 03, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 11:56:57 AM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
Post by: Brock Landers on March 03, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
I also vaguely recall a rumor he was not allowed to ride home with the team but I don't think that's true, at least I hope not.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 03, 2017, 01:24:55 PM
He came home with the team.
It would be ridiculous if he didn't.
Post by: Pete on March 03, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 03, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
Why not: signature victory of shitty TCU or some crap?
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
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Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
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Post by: Trim on March 04, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel
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Put him out to pasture, Greg.
*not sure if "out to pasture" is a cow or horse thing
Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnelAt the very least, drop your sblhorts, hang the shineyhiney over the rail, and drop an organic brown bomb on oscar while mooing.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 04, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
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Post by: Joker on March 04, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
A bald man with an amazing goatee just confiscated and destroyed a "Fire Bruce" sign from the front row here at Bramlage.
— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) March 4, 2017
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Greg??It wasn't me but I can confirm that was the same goon that took my mask last week.A bald man with an amazing goatee just confiscated and destroyed a "Fire Bruce" sign from the front row here at Bramlage.
— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) March 4, 2017
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Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 01:14:33 PM
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Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 04, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
Post by: Bookie Pimp on March 04, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
Also, this one. Interesting column by @KevinHaskin. #KState pic.twitter.com/DRav6lj1Vs
— Riley Gates (@Riley_Gates) March 5, 2017
:buh-bye:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2017, 08:08:16 PM
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Post by: sys on March 04, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
Post by: Joker on March 04, 2017, 08:13:52 PM
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good)
Post by: BackPayne on March 04, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
Interesting quote from @KevinHaskin's column. I ask you, what is right for #KState? pic.twitter.com/6MTyYKVAPh
— Riley Gates (@Riley_Gates) March 5, 2017
Post by: sys on March 04, 2017, 08:16:21 PM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
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“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Post by: AppleJack on March 04, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Post by: TaqMan on March 04, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
Interesting quote from @KevinHaskin's column. I ask you, what is right for #KState? pic.twitter.com/6MTyYKVAPh
— Riley Gates (@Riley_Gates) March 5, 2017
K-State sports gots lots of cancer problems at this point
Post by: schreds21 on March 04, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Oh man oscar!Quote“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Holy crap! What the eff does that even mean?
Post by: Chingon on March 04, 2017, 09:05:14 PM
The only question is if goEMAW will be around long enough. I doubt it will.
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
Post by: AppleJack on March 04, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
Post by: memphis on March 04, 2017, 09:16:04 PM
He's under contract through '19. Please tell me they won't extend beyond that if the somehow squeak into the tourney. Is it that uncommon to coach with 2 years left?
Who would negatively recruit against the Quatz? CoC?
Post by: BostonPancake on March 04, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
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Each practice starts with a quote on the whiteboard, and Weber has chosen this one from Rockefeller specifically: I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything
:facepalm: Taking a page from the Turner Gill coaching book.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.
His schedule was the first indicator that he felt heat as early as last April but the gE echo chamber chose to see that differently.
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2017, 04:17:29 AM
Why not: People who are in charge of making the decisions are maybe still idiots?
Post by: Pete on March 05, 2017, 07:06:13 AM
Post by: Joker on March 05, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
Oh man oscar!Quote“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Same article.
Quote
“Yeah, well, rules are meant to be broken,” he says.
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2017, 08:23:55 AM
Post by: pvegs on March 05, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 05, 2017, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 05, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.
Finally, an analogy everyone can relate to.
Post by: bones129 on March 06, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 06, 2017, 12:52:42 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
You're welcome.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Post by: KITNfury on March 06, 2017, 12:40:56 PM
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Post by: renocat on March 06, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 06, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.
I really dgaf about either of those right now as it relates to who ran off whom. I just want Weber gone. That's all.
Post by: pvegs on March 06, 2017, 05:59:59 PM
"So, it may come down to Thursday’s game with Baylor. Win and K-State is in the NCAA Tournament and Weber is likely back for a sixth season in Manhattan. Lose and K-State may be in, but maybe not. And Weber may or may not survive to coach again.
Either outcome feels so very oscar Weber."
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2017, 06:15:41 PM
Feels so very Fitz.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
But now with Currie gone and the recent "success", I've just resigned myself to accepting he'll be back. If he's gone it will be a nice surprise. Actually an Altman type situation seems more likely than a Wooly at this point.
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 06, 2017, 06:57:21 PM
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Post by: memphis on March 06, 2017, 07:27:06 PM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
Weber retirement tour brought to you by Kansas State Athletics. Watch Coach Weber coach from locals in sunny California through the Gulf Coast. All the while building up NIT and NCAA tournament expectations.
:Lurk:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2017, 07:52:39 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
Coaches leave town before the posse gets to them all of the time, it's becoming more and more common each season. Is there something different about oscar than these other coaches I am not seeing? Does he not have an agent?
As far as his fate with the administration goes, I think his fate, either way, was decided with Currie. His boss and his next in command are now in charge and I'd be stunned if neither of these guys had conversations with Currie while he was still here. I don't think Weber' s evaluation got a reset last Tuesday.
Post by: Trim on March 06, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
i need baylor -1
:emawkid:
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2017, 09:38:58 PM
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2017, 06:28:01 AM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Post by: kso_FAN on March 07, 2017, 06:30:40 AM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
Post by: Chingon on March 07, 2017, 07:48:44 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 07, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
If was very _FWN to have optimism regarding a situation.
Post by: renocat on March 08, 2017, 07:31:52 AM
Post by: Bookcat on March 08, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+
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and since we're such a jeykll and hyde hissy fit of unpredicatbility...I fully expect that we'll either inexplicably shoot lights out, or can't buy a bucket.
Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 08, 2017, 08:16:58 AM
Post by: schreds21 on March 08, 2017, 07:37:04 PM
Seems pretty clear to me :dunno:
Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 08, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Post by: renocat on March 08, 2017, 10:22:26 PM
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article137002153.html#storylink=cpy
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2017, 06:57:27 AM
Post by: Joker on March 09, 2017, 08:13:53 AM
Post by: ChiCat on March 09, 2017, 09:06:45 AM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
Post by: Joker on March 09, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
Basically. Except Tubby was able to close the deal with Pitino's players.
Post by: ChiCat on March 09, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2017, 12:16:54 PM
Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
This looks accurate.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 09, 2017, 10:21:18 PM
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Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 09, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Post by: Chingon on March 09, 2017, 10:25:11 PM
go ahead and bury this thread for three years
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Post by: Tobias on March 09, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
Post by: WildcatPower on March 09, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
We regret to inform you from the office of "Big XII Conference Tournament Play" have rejected your request for oscar Weber to be publicly fired.
Regards,
Big XII Commish.
Post by: renocat on March 09, 2017, 11:30:43 PM
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Post by: fun muffin on March 10, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Please don't choose us.
Your friend,
fun muffin
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 10, 2017, 10:29:31 PM
Lol JK, I can't handle this crap
I have this same internal dialogue every time the cats play.
Post by: The Big Train on March 10, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on March 11, 2017, 01:16:00 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2017, 01:36:34 AM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 11, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
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Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 11, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 11, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
So you're saying pay OSU's Underwood buyout?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 12, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Post by: ben ji on March 12, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Post by: ChiCat on March 12, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 12, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
That buyout was put in place for us. OSU knew oscar's situation too.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2017, 12:46:09 PM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Brad needs to walk around Stillwater decked head to toe in Illini gear non-stop
Post by: ArchE_Cat on March 12, 2017, 01:00:08 PM
Any truth to this?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 12, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 12, 2017, 02:21:15 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum. While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.
I agree. Like that could be three or four years of Fred Hoiberg salary.
Post by: sys on March 12, 2017, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on March 12, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2017, 03:36:53 PM
Post by: sys on March 12, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
It's not like it's your money.
kstaters are so odd.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2017, 03:58:23 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people. It's not like it's your money.
It is though. K-State Athletics doesn't have an owner pumping money in, that money comes from the ticket holders and donors.
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 12, 2017, 04:03:17 PM
having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now. and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.
It's maddening
Post by: Ptolemy on March 12, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
To see that not occur, they will pay.
Post by: Chingon on March 12, 2017, 04:36:11 PM
Post by: stunted on March 12, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
:emawkid:
Post by: That_Guy on March 12, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
For a while seems like pushing it. A new AD is going to want to hire his own guy, right?
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Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 12, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
Post by: jasn88cubs on March 12, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
i bet weber was crying
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Post by: jasn88cubs on March 12, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
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Post by: stunted on March 12, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising
i waved at him before and he waved back.
also he's beaten baylor twice and is 1 point worse than druggins. proven winner. his teams can perform extremely well and beat anyone, though they can also lose to anybody. high risk, high reward (ncaa runnerup!). at the very least he is way better than wooldridge.
looking back at his best season, it's surprising they did so well. had mcgruder, but who else? angel was garbage, henriquez barely played. that season was all oscar.
Post by: ELL3 on March 12, 2017, 07:49:26 PM
No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations
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I'm done with hoops if he's back we are gonna be 10th next year
Post by: PIPE on March 13, 2017, 09:13:29 AM
Post by: scottwildcat on March 13, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 13, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2017, 09:48:48 PM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 13, 2017, 10:05:58 PM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Yep, just like what Fitz was saying today. :peek:
Post by: Chingon on March 14, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 14, 2017, 10:58:41 PM
Crowd showing Bruce Weber love as he walks off the floor. Several Bruuuuce chants. Lots of high fives.
— Kellis Robinett (@KellisRobinett) March 15, 2017
Post by: WildcatPower on March 14, 2017, 11:02:50 PM
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Post by: catastrophe on March 14, 2017, 11:10:17 PM
Post by: renocat on March 14, 2017, 11:11:41 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2017, 11:35:45 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Maurice will fill in well for DJamer. Sneed will be the next Westicles, and Patrick will be the next Sneed
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Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 12:08:14 AM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:19:09 AM
OT: Any ever listen to Kid Dakota. That's where I got thewesisthfuture.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 01:22:14 AM
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Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 15, 2017, 09:06:48 AM
Post by: POWL on March 15, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
Post by: scottwildcat on March 15, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69tRwJVsAEpbc7.jpg)This is good.
Post by: KITNfury on March 15, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement. But he's not getting fired, didn't think he was even before the win last night.i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 10:17:59 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 10:23:56 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
I don't agree that no reasonable or affordable replacement exists
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 10:27:11 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on March 15, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 10:30:55 AM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 11:04:06 AM
We're getting into a space of not firing him but also not extending him. Next season can be the make-break season. Plenty of questions still to answer about roster, player dev, and what the trajectory is here.oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
If oscar gets hired away, much of the fanbase is ok with it, and we're not out the $ to part ways. I don't care what the optics are of letting a marginal NCAA coach get away with a admin in place that may not have oscar's back long term.
I don't think he laterals to another HC job though.
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 15, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
What constitutes affordable if private money is paying for it?
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
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Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 12:01:43 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2017, 12:42:48 PM
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 15, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
True.
This is who oscar is...
2005–06 26–7 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Round of 32
2006–07 23–12 9–7 T–4th NCAA Round of 64
2007–08 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 24–10 11–7 T–2nd NCAA Round of 64
2009–10 21–15 10–8 5th NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11 20–14 9–9 T–4th NCAA Round of 32
2011–12 17–15 6–12 9th
2013–14 20–13 10–8 5th NCAA Round of 64
2014–15 15–17 8–10 T–6th
2015–16 17–16 5–13 8th
2016–17 21–13 8–10 6th NCAA Round of 64
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5
it's the 6 wins to 0 wins that really irks me (if you're going compare their two tenures)
Post by: kso_FAN on March 15, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
_FAN you left out the big xii ship year
I debated leaving out the 2nd year, but I gave him credit because the best player was his recruit. I took away his first 2 Illinois seasons because his best players were Self recruits. I was trying to show his P5 record with mostly his players. Its not awful, but its far from great.
Post by: The Whale on March 15, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 01:45:48 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
Post by: Ptolemy on March 15, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 02:24:18 PM
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Hell yes.
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 02:52:41 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
:lol:
Post by: Woogy on March 15, 2017, 02:55:58 PM
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
oscar Weber, 2017:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
:thumbs:Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Say that to Clent Stewarts face you jerk.
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 03:17:01 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 15, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 15, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.
Any extension offer should come with a reduction to the buyout.
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 15, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 03:40:22 PM
Then fire himYes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 15, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
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Post by: pvegs on March 15, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drakeyeah we definitely don't need to overpay or over extend that doofus
Post by: stunted on March 15, 2017, 04:55:46 PM
even 2 more years, with the current sophmores, that's a solid 6 right there. :ksu:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 05:19:22 PM
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 05:52:13 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Can't disagree. I don't have the stomach to offer him an extension now, so he keeps his assistants. IF there is an extension offered it should come with a shitload of requirements.
Post by: Super PurpleCat on March 15, 2017, 09:18:31 PM
i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad. which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles. not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.
Painting fences and waxing cars is how you learn karate.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 15, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 10:41:02 PM
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Timing is only an issue if one or both parties allow it to be. Coaches and athletic directors aren't players, they have absolute and total control of their movements.
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 10:58:17 PM
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 11:18:35 PM
Go for it oscarfitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
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Post by: slackcat on March 16, 2017, 04:41:22 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 06:41:43 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Yeah, that's a better way to put it.
Post by: catastrophe on March 16, 2017, 07:25:56 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Yep, just like any job market.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 07:55:28 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 08:32:51 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:01:22 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
I agree with that, but its clearly not even how most fans think.
IMO a big part of the oscar hatred stems from the lack of tournament success and especially the La Salle upset. Granted, he has done plenty to sustain fans not liking him, but if he had a Sweet 16 in 13 and then a tournament win in 14 the hatred wouldn't be as strong.
Post by: catastrophe on March 16, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:22:30 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:24:37 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2017, 09:24:51 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
I get that, but I think mid major coaches need to prove to be excellent at their level for multiple entire seasons. Shaka finished 2nd 3 times, 4th 2 times, and 5th once at VCU. He had one incredible run at VCU his first year in the tournament and even though he got there 4 more times, he never got out of the 1st weekend, even with two 5 seeds.
I agree with michigan that tournament success has a lot to due with match ups (luck of the draw) and luck in games to get on a Sweet 16 (or better) run, especially when you are a lower seed like most mid major coaches. The true way to sustain tournament success on a yearly basis is to be really good in a P5 conference (top 3 in the Big 12) and get a 5th seed or better.
Post by: Dlew12 on March 16, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
Post by: Joker on March 16, 2017, 09:34:57 AM
Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend
I agree. And if you are consistently finishing at, or near, the top of the conference then you are likely to have a few decent tournament runs mixed in.
Give me a consistently competitive basketball team that is fun to watch. Throw in a non-douchebag coach and we've got it made in the shade.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently. That makes sense to me, the thinking is "do I want to work for this person who treats their coach this way?" I think there are some cases where it's okay to gage interest if the job isn't open yet, like if the coach is clearly getting canned, like Kim Anderson; or if there is a clear tie to the candidate and the potential hiring school, or if the candidate and the AD share an agent.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:46:30 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 11:30:14 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Post by: Chingon on March 16, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.There is zero chance oscar gets fired (unless he does something extremely unsavory off the court). It's not going to happen. I will give tremendous odds if someone wants to bet on it.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
Post by: Dlew12 on March 16, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 02:22:04 PM
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Post by: Dlew12 on March 16, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you re. whether I think oscar should get fired.Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
I'm saying that I don't think K-State fans are calling for oscar's head as loudly as they were several weeks ago. I also think that most people in Veatch's position would probably prefer not to fire someone unless they had no choice. The combination of oscar's last couple of weeks and the timing of Currie's departure make me think that it's unlikely oscar is canned this year.
I could be wrong about Veatch's hutzpah, but this is one of the reasons why I wasn't really dancing in the streets when Currie left.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 06:16:44 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
Post by: renocat on March 16, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 07:20:34 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
yeah, i guess it never occurred to me that employees do what their bosses tell them to :dunno:
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 16, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
we don't? If he got fired in the middle of the starting lineup intros tomorrow night I'd be over the moon, I'm guessing I'm far from alone.
Post by: sys on March 16, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Yes
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2017, 04:52:06 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Yes
Good points. Agreed.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2017, 06:55:42 AM
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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Post by: catastrophe on March 17, 2017, 07:53:22 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 08:24:41 AM
Oh I think AD's should be aware of what a tourney run does to a coach's value but not hire a coach based on such runs, because luck is a much larger factor in 1-2 games. It's not about finding diamonds in the rough, it's about avoiding mistakes like John Groce. (I keep repeating him because he's the only one I can come up with off the top of my head)That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
Kevin Keatts is an example of someone who may be undervalued because of no NCAA wins, even though he took over a shitty program and won conference regular season titles in years 2 and 3. Just one win would make him a lot more valuable on the market (at least in the eyes of the media, which also influences the market). I also think a guy like Dan Muller at Illinois state will be way undervalued because he didn't make the tournament at all (and went 17-1 in conference!) His conference record has improved every year as well. There's likely others out there.
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 09:41:47 AM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
Post by: renocat on March 17, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 09:49:30 AM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.QuoteWhat made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
I probably should have said "good" instead of "great".
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Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 03:22:47 PM
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
Narratives must fit the narratives.
Post by: Chingon on March 17, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:14:20 PM
No more FWN!
At this point it's whatever, but I've resigned myself that oscar is back next year.
Post by: Chingon on March 17, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:53:36 PM
Scripts
Well, oscar had to go and change the script from what was assumed.
It looked so much like the 12 script for so long, but then oscar somehow morphed this team to fit a combo of 07 & 11.
Unexpected.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Find me the absolute loser unwilling to follow a guy who's .500ish and only has one post season win, which happens to be in the first four, in five years. That's not even noteworthy at a mid major.
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"Well, we were really tired after that flight...."
Post by: The Big Train on March 17, 2017, 07:31:25 PM
Post by: memphis on March 17, 2017, 08:01:43 PM
Update?
Firing oscar before he boards the plane, only a pipe dream
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2017, 08:08:36 PM
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Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
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I liked how the announcer was taking about how livid oscar was with the official, then they showed this.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
no.
Post by: stunted on March 17, 2017, 09:53:49 PM
thank you oscar :blush:
Post by: The Big Train on March 17, 2017, 09:59:17 PM
Post by: Justwin on March 17, 2017, 10:20:20 PM
you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.
thank you oscar :blush:
But not all in the same season.
Post by: Trim on March 17, 2017, 10:24:15 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 17, 2017, 10:39:20 PM
We get into the Madness. Get to play 2 games in the Tourney (good morale builder and experience for the FR/SOPH), and we change coaches with a nice nucleus here for the next 2 seasons
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.QuoteWhat made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
One year at Kats U. our offense was stagnating and so was our season as a result. He was the brains behind our newly retooled offense and we turned things around and rattled off a shitload of wins. Then he did the same thing at OSU this year and ultimately took a team that had just fired its coach for having a terrible team and took them to the tournament his very first year. These, in addition to three years out of three at SFA where he absolutely dominated his league AND compiled a bunch of tourney wins all combine to make him a great coach. Don't know why you seem to be somewhat anti-Brad, but it seems kind of petulant at this point. Brad is a good, proven coach who has had success at three different schools. He was the right choice for us, and he still is.
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2017, 10:49:06 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2017, 11:01:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU. It's only money
What? You don't really think any of that matters do you? I mean if we're talking about ancillary crap, I'm guessing the fact that the remodel of Jardine is just as important to an incoming coach.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 17, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Or do you guys do red-hot pokers up the gastrointestinals? That would be even better. Letting OSU hire Brad should be punished criminally.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 11:12:32 PM
Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General. What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD?
If he thinks he's going to win, why would he care?
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 17, 2017, 11:16:01 PM
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Post by: Ptolemy on March 17, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
Fire Oscar Laird!
Let's give the new AD a clean slate.
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:39:06 AM
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Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 07:47:24 AM
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:59:16 AM
So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
I really hope it's on a Saturday or Sunday morning so I can pour a 17 year scotch when I see that it's been done.
Post by: slackcat on March 18, 2017, 08:16:51 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
Why not: Laird still asleep?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 18, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
Maybe this'll work itself out for us? Of course, then we're the school that got dumped by oscar instead of being the dumper. I can live with that.
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 08:39:47 AM
Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?
:frown:
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Illinois State Redbirds (Missouri Valley Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 8–10 6th
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 9–9 5th CBI Semifinals
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 11–7 T–3rd NIT 2nd Round
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 12–6 T–2nd
2016–17 Illinois State 28–6 17–1 T–1st NIT
Illinois State: 104–64 (.619) 57–33 (.633)
Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 11:13:57 AM
On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Was that after OU?
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Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 11:19:22 AM
Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAsOn that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Was that after OU?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAsOn that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Was that after OU?
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Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
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Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
"Oh, no one’s ever told me anything,” he said. “I don’t know anything. But I like K-State. My wife loves it here. We’ve got a good group.”
Not too confident. Apparently, he has not been reassured.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article139333003.html#storylink=cpy
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
Yep.
Or Dooley IMO.
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 18, 2017, 03:49:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 03:54:49 PM
Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.
No they aren't
Post by: pissclams on March 18, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
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Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:30:16 PM
Hate that effing sorry excuse for a ****ing basketball coach.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 06:39:10 PM
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
No. Too much.
The thought of watching this pathetic bastard destroy my team for yet another season has driven me out of lurkdom. I want a moratorium issued on face shots of Lord Farquaad. And no more talking to the press!
<face in hands, sobbing>
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Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 06:48:59 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
in fairness that P5 AD has since been exposed as an alien in a body suit with purple cowboy boots
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
This.
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
This slack-jawed ph**k face we've got "leading" our program?
Jeezuz Mary and Joseph.
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Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 08:18:23 PM
grainer explodes onto the scene
breath of fresh air
Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: renocat on March 19, 2017, 06:06:21 AM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.They pay Forbes a $205,000 salary. He has a great resume. Better than Underwood by a mile. Helped build great programs at Tenn and WichitaSu. Punishment for defending scuz Pearlx but we took a chance once on Huggins. This guy is clean and humble and dirt plain. If don't, okiemooos will.
Post by: slackcat on March 19, 2017, 06:22:15 AM
I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.
:lol:
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:41:43 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Yeah, I get that. It doesn't make seeing nothing done any easier though.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 19, 2017, 03:50:38 PM
Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?
Backstory?
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Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.He was a puma!
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 19, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
Post by: PIPE on March 19, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
He won either way I guess
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 05:48:01 PM
We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?
That's the point, we are a program losing recruits to a commuter school in Northeast Wichita, completely unacceptable. They can run a train on the Valley and still not be a viable option for a four star recruit playing locally.
I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him
If they chose The Flush over Shamet then they are dumber than I thought, then again they did chose Michael Orris over Josh Gray.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Post by: Bookie Pimp on March 19, 2017, 07:12:54 PM
I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there.
Was there ever really any doubt, despite the fact that Frank basically left oscar a sweet sixteen ready roster while taking over a total crap show at USCe?
:facepalm:
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2017, 07:18:41 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
Post by: tdaver on March 19, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
Last 10 years
oscar 1
Frank 5
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 07:47:22 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:23:30 PM
Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.
Yeah, I enjoyed the win over Wake, I won't deny that, but when anyone worth anything says NCAA wins they mean the round of 64.
Also, give oscar credit for consistency. Since his NC title game appearance he is what he is:
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 08:54:05 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
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Post by: Joker on March 19, 2017, 09:02:10 PM
I mean it was so obvious that you can't even enjoy the "I told you so" moment when this thing is finally done.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
Obviously, especially since we were so close to beating Cincinnati.
Post by: slackcat on March 19, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
shut your pie hole.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
Of course
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
checked with the judges, and no, they confirmed that the first four is for stank-ass loser teams
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 19, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 11:08:37 PM
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 11:12:30 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Checked with The Board and they told me that nope, First Four is for giant losers and unless your team is playing in it, you're absolutely never watching that hot garbage because no one cares and there's nothing fun about it.
Post by: Ptolemy on March 19, 2017, 11:37:55 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Why let him go then?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 11:44:07 PM
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http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ncaa-makes-kentucky-writer-delete-video.htmlGross.
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Post by: Bookcat on March 20, 2017, 08:26:28 AM
K-State basketball is dead. No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.
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I'm not going to a game. I'm not donating... Why should any fan ask to pledge when KSU won't support a winning program? They are as tight as uncle scrooge..and we'll forever be small time until we figure out how to bid with the big boys....
Man we're so lucky LHC Bill Snyder didn't dump us all those years ago because he was trough chasing the dollar...but that was the early 90's .......and this is now.
Post by: POWL on March 20, 2017, 08:37:04 AM
source B+
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Well then he can get crap canned like Wooly
Post by: Brock Landers on March 20, 2017, 09:01:00 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
You just described a coaching job that fits oscar to a T.
Post by: Joker on March 20, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 09:07:55 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
Just like Illinois sweeping in to get Brad.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 09:09:48 AM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 09:42:43 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2017, 11:15:56 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
This would be pretty interesting. I still find it a bit hard to believe, because if oscar is getting let go it should have already. We probably couldn't wait any longer than next week at the latest.
Post by: Bookie Pimp on March 20, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
Post by: Tobias on March 20, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
Bruce Weber sighting at the @NJCAATournament in Hutch this morning. #sigh #stillwearingpurple @DScottFritchen pic.twitter.com/8vDNAqL90C
— Amy Conkling (@MamaOnTheRun33) March 20, 2017
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 11:40:48 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?Bruce Weber sighting at the @NJCAATournament in Hutch this morning. #sigh #stillwearingpurple @DScottFritchen pic.twitter.com/8vDNAqL90C
— Amy Conkling (@MamaOnTheRun33) March 20, 2017
lol he can't even talk on the phone like a non-weirdo
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
I think General Myers is focused on the AD search. Next priority is to make sure there is a bona fide succession plan for our football program. We may want to keep all basketball discussion to the WBB team and South Carolina/Frank. That's all that matters at this point. I think oscar earned his 'pass' for the next few months.
What are the Lady 'Cats' chances against Stanford? Stanford's really good, no?
Can Frank take down Baylor?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2017, 12:51:41 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
If oscar's Cats can beat Scott's Bears twice, I see no reason to write off Frank's Cocks :ck:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Post by: BostonPancake on March 20, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job. He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility. It's one of the top two programs in the CAA. Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).
Its much better than Drake.
Plus, the mid major that gets oscar probably doesn't have to worry about oscar jumping. He'll finish his career there if he's successful enough to stay.
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 01:51:16 PM
Post by: Gooch on March 20, 2017, 02:05:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
This is pretty funny.
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/
Half way down.
I don't have any problem with leading the cheers, but she did act pretty trashy and based on what I know the Marshall's probably fuel each other. You can clearly see she drops and F-Bomb and then she leans into the writer's table with the "hitting the weight room" comment. Also reports she was yelling for Cal to sit down amongst other F-bomb droppage.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 02:14:02 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?
Think I've heard both 2 mill and 2.5 million, but also heard he would get a 500k retention bonus if he's still our coach come April 1st, but I can't find that in the contract (for this year, looks like it would kick in in 2019).
So anywhere between 2-3mill, I guess?
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 02:16:46 PM
Well, yeah.Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 02:18:31 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Well, yeah.Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Quote from: Fitz a few minutes ago
If oscar Weber is going to Drake (or any mid-major) it will only be after he's fired and gets his buyout. However, there are still rumblings in the coaching world that K-State has been reaching out to candidates. It's really hard to time date those feelers, though. Maybe losing in the round of 64 was good enough and the contacts with coaches, direct or indirectly, have ended. I will continue to dig.
So, assuming this is accurate, we should've fired him as he walked off the floor Friday.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 20, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
Post by: PIPE on March 20, 2017, 02:37:32 PM
it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink
I think it is pink
Now, what brand is another story......Marc Anthony from Kohl's?
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.You're really harshing my buzz, MIR. Geez!
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 20, 2017, 03:28:26 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Oh, and feel free to take the job after
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
Post by: sys on March 20, 2017, 11:16:38 PM
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
lol.
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 11:32:59 PM
Tom Crean was thought to be the choice for the LSU job. One article I read indicated they asked Crean if he was interested; nope and hell nope. Today 2 IU recruits ask to be let out of their LOC. Sounds like a package deal in the making. Strange KSU Monkeyballs shiners have not said Weber is our man. As long as the women were playing likely no coach announced. If keeping weber, I would have thought MyersVeatch would have given an attaboy statement for Oscar. Women done playing. A.package deal with Crean, a good coach and recruiter, and 2 good players for the signing. Good day tomorrow.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 06:23:47 AM
Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.
And his narcissism is off the charts, even for coaches.
Crean would be a form of oscar - Part 2.
Post by: Pett on March 21, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
Post by: illBisonYourdele on March 21, 2017, 07:40:22 AM
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
Post by: Three Fingers on March 21, 2017, 08:37:45 AM
:Crybaby:it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
All Rivals boards are down. Without the mainboard I feel lost at sea.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 21, 2017, 01:29:40 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2017, 03:38:12 PM
QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?
I read that too, but I'm not sure. This article says it was that amount: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article135465724.html
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His buyout was $1.55 million, which he or Tennessee may owe K-State.
This Tennessee article says different: http://tennessee.247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-releases-contract-details-for-new-AD-John-Currie-51583378
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The Vols are responsible for Currie's buyout at Kansas State, which according to the MOU will not exceed $175,000.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2017, 03:51:22 PM
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 21, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
Details of #illini Brad Underwood's contract pic.twitter.com/9fjepjZFAJ
— Jeremy Werner (@JWerner247) March 20, 2017
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38998.0
Post by: Skipper44 on March 21, 2017, 04:57:33 PM
Post by: renocat on March 21, 2017, 05:23:11 PM
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
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He also mentioned that Northwestern coach Chris Collins sent Riley a powerful text about his dad, former NBA coach Doug Collins, getting fired by the Bulls in 1989 while Chris Collins was in high school. “Going through that helped prepare him and make him the man he is now and the position that he is in now,” Crean said the text read. “That. Is. Strong.”
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
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The most emotion showed may have come from a hug from his cleaning lady.
Post by: catastrophe on March 21, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
Post by: renocat on March 21, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 07:48:37 PM
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.
Crean is a piece of crap.
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 21, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 21, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
Post by: KITNfury on March 21, 2017, 09:46:24 PM
Post by: mocat on March 21, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 21, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained
Year 6 is gonna be the most entertaining yet. With almost everyone on board as early as the first lol open gym, kstatembb 17-18 has the opportunity to be the most hated team in the history of the world, and it's not one to be taken lightly.
Post by: Tobias on March 21, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
Like who?
Post by: renocat on March 22, 2017, 06:32:39 AM
I think as a previous post stated - something is afoot. Can anyone find anything recently saying the ADministration has praised Weber.
Post by: pvegs on March 22, 2017, 07:15:11 AM
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
i was more like making fun of hating on our best postseason run in 30 years for ending in a loss to the future coach of the celtics and a first round nba'er. but whatever dude.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 22, 2017, 10:38:29 AM
Dark times friends, dark times.
Post by: 0.42 on March 22, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
Post by: manpow5 on March 22, 2017, 12:59:25 PM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
Post by: Yard Dog on March 22, 2017, 01:21:08 PM
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: renocat on March 22, 2017, 01:37:59 PM
"The only thing worse than having this happen is to go somewhere we're not aligned properly," Crean said. "A good job, a great job, those all come down to the alignment. Resources are important. Facilities are important. Tradition is important. Fan bases are important. Where can you recruit is important. But alignment is key. That, for me, is what you're looking for."
SI interview with Tom Crean. Sounds us.
Post by: catastrophe on March 22, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
Post by: KITNfury on March 22, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 22, 2017, 02:22:08 PM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
Hearing they're putting a full court press on Hocutt, they really want him. Sounds like Weiberg isn't much of an option due the OSU job possibly being open soon.
Expect it to be Veatch if it's not Hocutt.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
:frown:
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 22, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
Please expound on this line of thinking. Is it because of the inevitable pay cut?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 22, 2017, 03:41:17 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 22, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
No one wants to go back to the same job they just left after getting fired from the new job they left it for.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 22, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 22, 2017, 04:29:30 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Then lets take Prohm, I don't think it is out the question that Prohm isn't the better coach.
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 22, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 22, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Who hates ertz?? :confused:Many before he got good, because of Iowa.
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 05:00:05 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:33:15 PM
haha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
What jobs are open? I don't think Indiana would take him.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
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The amendment set a 2020-21 salary at $1.75 million, which added $875,000 to both sides' buyout obligation should Prohm leave for another job or ISU terminate him without cause.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 22, 2017, 06:40:59 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
That's really pretty unbelievable. They are currently one of the top 3-4 programs in this league with probably the 2nd best fan base, they should act like it.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Post by: ELL3 on March 22, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
Post by: BackPayne on March 22, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
:impatient:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2017, 08:41:14 PM
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Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 09:08:22 PM
They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read herewow- how big was the dent Steve put in his Taurus when he saw that Brad got a $18 million contract?
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
oh, let me be the second thenhaha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 09:11:57 PM
I enjoyed it more the second time. :thumbs:oh, let me be the second thenhaha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
:dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
Their football program is terrible, so that seems plausible.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 10:21:58 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 08:23:24 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 08:53:04 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 09:04:47 AM
if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?
makes you think
Post by: PIPE on March 23, 2017, 09:16:51 AM
Lots of sheetrock to install, I'm sure.
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 10:20:45 AM
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Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2017, 12:40:07 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 23, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 23, 2017, 01:06:46 PM
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2017, 01:07:48 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 23, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
-or-
Dana Altman coming home
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 23, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
Must be one of 15 others
Chris Holtmann
Post by: KITNfury on March 23, 2017, 04:46:04 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
-or-
Dana Altman coming home
i know this is going to sound uber weird but i really don't want altman back. instead of oscar? sure. but not much else.
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
Post by: Pete on March 23, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
Man this is taking for-ev-er!
I know. Most boringest KSU cat coach search ever.
Post by: ELL3 on March 23, 2017, 09:27:10 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
Remember Oscar flirted with Saint Louis last off season a bit, oh well, runnerup to the first year South Dakota coach that finished .500, good try ole Oscar
Post by: Joker on March 24, 2017, 07:58:51 AM
Reason: Chatting with Melanie's grandpa in Hutch.
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Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 24, 2017, 09:32:48 AM
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Post by: The Big Train on March 25, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Post by: AppleJack on March 25, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
Post by: pissclams on March 25, 2017, 12:55:47 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 12:56:36 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Post by: renocat on March 25, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
This is sad. I wore my lucky KState shirt today. The weather man said a it would be a lukewarm and dreary day, seemed like appropriate apparel.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2017, 02:46:56 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
I was in the same bo(y)at at the beginning of January and have since slimmed down a bit, but nothing in comparison to Pete.
It would be pretty weird for me to be right on the fence though between two things.
Post by: Chingon on March 25, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 26, 2017, 02:42:51 PM
oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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But not the one it needs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 26, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
Post by: slackcat on March 26, 2017, 03:26:41 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 26, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:13:21 PM
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
I hope you are correct.
Post by: O-town Kat on March 26, 2017, 05:29:12 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.Agree
Post by: TheHamburglar on March 26, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
To expand on MIR's point, if they pick Laird now I wonder if they'll wait a couple more weeks just to let the fire die down.
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2017, 05:40:48 AM
Post by: renocat on March 27, 2017, 06:49:58 AM
Post by: 8manpick on March 27, 2017, 07:02:47 AM
He's Adam West Batman.
I feel this went underappreciated
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
Post by: BackPayne on March 27, 2017, 10:17:55 AM
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Any rumblings?
Nah they're gonna cone of silence this all the way to a oscar extension announcement at 1 AM on a Sunday
Post by: Joker on March 27, 2017, 01:15:08 PM
Any rumblings?
The only rumblings are coming from oscar's stomach.
While Frank Martin clinched a Final Four, Bruce Weber wandered the aisles of HyVee looking for the good chicken nuggets. Thanks John Currie pic.twitter.com/D0R5Ov9sOE
— Luke Mc (@lukemc58) March 26, 2017
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
Post by: Dlew12 on March 27, 2017, 03:44:49 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 03:49:14 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
http://themercury.com/articles/weber-to-return-for-sixth-season
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
chillll it was sent to me
— Luke Mc (@lukemc58) March 26, 2017
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
Quote
“We took a step forward this year, and we look forward to making another step forward next year,” Athletics Director Laird Veatch told The Mercury Monday.
:lol: :woot:
Post by: tdaver on March 27, 2017, 05:55:02 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
Post by: ELL3 on March 27, 2017, 07:07:48 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 27, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 07:34:02 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Post by: manpow5 on March 27, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2017, 08:19:46 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
Yep
Post by: Chingon on March 27, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything, I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.
Yup
Post by: PIPE on March 27, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 27, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2017, 10:43:51 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article68678882.html
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
Post by: porky morgan on March 27, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 11:51:51 PM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Yes, because it is so very trying in a $100K+ position to have to distinctly focus on two tasks at once...writing a list of potential football coaches to one-day replace a legend plus finding a basketball coach that can possibly strive to even think of getting his team into the NCAA tournament every year.
Post by: MadCat on March 27, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
:Lurk:
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 28, 2017, 12:11:24 AM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
No
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 02:29:10 AM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
What exactly is the athletic department or anyone else doing to address this supposed "pressing football transition?" Does Laird Veatch give LHC Bill Snyder daily cancer scans? Are the rest of the athletic department employees dividing and conquering interviews with all football coaches in America for the eventual day LHC Bill Snyder quits at some point?
I know your post was just a reason to take some stupid shot at college basketball but it is actually quite a critical revenue sport. Any revenue stream is crucial.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2017, 06:24:19 AM
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Post by: WackyCat08 on March 28, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 08:39:25 AM
Post by: Joker on March 28, 2017, 08:41:29 AM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 28, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
Hope is a good thing. Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.
(http://52.10.151.222/wp-content/uploads/hopeandchange-s1.jpg)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 28, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
:lol: #FAMILY
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8BPDEpVYAElQ1l.png:large)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2017, 11:48:22 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
That factors into sell outs; I was at the Texas game this year as an example and technically it was "sold out" because attendance is listed at capacity, but it wasn't full. There were probably 10K people there, but not full.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 12:14:42 PM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
Sorry bub, it needed to be said. It was gentle, respectful PI.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— 🍂🦃scottwildcat🦃🍂 (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 28, 2017, 12:33:44 PM
@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— 🍂🦃scottwildcat🦃🍂 (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
Very dishonest
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 28, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
currie, that ole sly dog@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— 🍂🦃scottwildcat🦃🍂 (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 12:42:02 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 28, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?
no. we took a step forward towards getting him fired this year and we look forward to making another step forward next year
Post by: Chingon on March 28, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:08:25 PM
@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— 🍂🦃scottwildcat🦃🍂 (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
Very dishonest
They can put all of the lipstick on this pig they want to but the true sense of how the fans feel is in ticket revenue, season ticket sales, and Ahearn seat donations. There are all kinds of ways to manipulate attendance numbers.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 01:21:03 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
Bib overalls :lol:
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
i don't think so. people really hate oscar. it didn't seem the same about asbury. people were apathetic towards basketball in the mid-90's. this is when snyder really started to take off and football had the fans by the balls and vag pretty securely.
asbury's 3rd year in 96-97 he went 3-13 but it was our 10-2 holiday bowl year. 4 consecutive 11 win seasons were staring at us in the face. our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 28, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
Post by: Ptolemy on March 28, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Post by: Brock Landers on March 28, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
I legitimately do not remember the teal accents. People talk about trying to block horrible memories and it looks like this is an example of where I have suceeded in doing so.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804)
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 02:52:54 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Are you that guy who always takes it a step too far?
Post by: scottwildcat on March 28, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804)
K-State Basketball: we missed another shot pic.twitter.com/41q8DwPugH
— prumfinho (@prumfsy) February 23, 2017
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 28, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:55:39 PM
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year
Yeah, that's hard to forget.
I looked up all the sub .300 conference seasons in the last 30 years. Asbury had 3 in 6 seasons. Wooly had 2 in 6 seasons. Altman had 2 in 4 seasons.
Year Coach Wins Losses %age
2000 Asbury 2 14 0.125
1997 Asbury 3 13 0.188
1991 Altman 3 11 0.214
1995 Asbury 3 11 0.214
2001 Wooly 4 12 0.250
2003 Wooly 4 12 0.250
2016 Weber 5 13 0.278
1994 Altman 4 10 0.286
Post by: Ptolemy on March 28, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 28, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
I'm pretty sure he's coaching Marcus Foster.
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
coaching at university of Nike
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 03:11:49 PM
oscar does OK, too.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Post by: Canary on March 28, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
And there is no way that he doesn't want to win. You don't go into this (or really, any) profession where competition is key and not care about winning. Now what he defines as successful, and how he works towards that goal can be debated endlessly. But to say a D-1 coach doesn't want to win is ludicrous. And I am not a fan of his, but the comparisons are not even remotely in the same ballpark.Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 28, 2017, 03:40:25 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 28, 2017, 03:41:57 PM
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.
Look how his team preformed relative to their projected Kenpom scores. Look at its g-score ratings on http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Kansas+St. I don't think it is fair to say it is effort/intensity, one of the main reason that isn't his brand of basketball and it will never measure up to the Huggins coaching tree.
I don't think this team was wildly inconsistent outside of how poor they played at OU. I don't think it is fair to judge a season or team on one game. In total they seemed to be a pretty solid team that just wasn't good enough to make a push where fans wanted them to be in a loaded big 12. They stayed between 26-36 ranking the entire big 12 season and did that with no bench. Not having a bench and being decently young add to a normal amount inconsistency.
I think most of the issues with this team fall under the roster building. Having the roster flip over two years had a negative effect. The team had depth issues. The team had issues with having size, strength and athleticism at the post position. Team had point guard issues with only having Kam.
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 28, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
:facepalm:at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:38:39 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Yes, those are amazing commercials.
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
that ball with those shades!
god bless fatty
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 29, 2017, 09:38:43 AM
Wade, Sneed, Harris, DJamer, etc. Biggest misconception about oscar. Hate him for who he is, but stop bringing up this lame ass talking point that he can't recruit ppl. :jerk:
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 29, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 29, 2017, 11:36:28 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 11:36:58 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2017, 11:37:37 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:42:10 AM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.
We probably would have been a whole lot better this year and last year if oscar would have handled Marcus Foster better.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:44:45 AM
Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.
I'll trash him for whatever I want to dickface. the point is that comparing him to wooly based on tournament appearances isn't a fair comparison because this team would not have been a tournament team when wooly was coaching. that needs to be acknowledged.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
did wooly ever inherit a team that had five future nba players on it? because if he would have, I'm guessing he would have made the tournament more times than one time.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
Yes, those are amazing commercials.
Kansas State Basketball: We will make sure there is a team on the floor at tip off. After that, no promises or refunds. Go Cats.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 29, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
:lol:oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters
wes was our pg this year, say that to his face
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 12:59:45 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
Being .500 at the p5 conference level would probably put him above average depending on the context. I think it is also fair to say quality of a individual coach is fluid and is also very dependent on his coaching staff. Scott Drew is better coach today than he was 4 years ago. The question is from where Weber is now is he moving up in the market or is the market surpassing him.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:08:44 PM
Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting
Oscar is good with wings. Good a coaching point guards, but awful at recruiting/evaluating. General mess with Bigs. :dunno:
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem. It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.
I think his big philosophy has been different at K-State than Illinois. His choices of big this year seem better. But I think the overall execution has been pretty poor. Not having Malek Harris hurts because he had a good motor and better Athleticism than the rest of our roster returning. I know he is at the D-II level right now but he was in car accident that really set his career back.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Although JHR may have been more valuable because of his rim protection. But DJamer was pretty good at that, too. I just don't think production from the 4/5 is THAT big of a deal. oscar's PG's are OK, his bigs are OK, his wings are OK. He just recruits OK. He certainly hasn't had a Frank 2008 dogshit class since he's been here.
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
I'm researched out for the week but I hope this isn't true.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 29, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
Neck and Neck in my book. DJamer edges CK by a slim margin.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:59:00 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
oh yeah beasley :peek:
But yeah, look up the stats b/w DJamer and CK. Very comparable jr/sr seasons but DJamer was a much more efficent scorer and a slightly better rebounder.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 02:06:26 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 02:11:17 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 02:26:14 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 29, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:27:58 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
CK used slightly more possessions and shot slightly more frequently than DJamer. DJamer was just much more efficient.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 02:39:19 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 29, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:46:41 PM
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
He's OK at it!
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: pissclams link=topic=38999.msg1703873#msg1703873 date=1490814386
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
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He's OK at it!
A major part of developing players is recruiting players that have a skill set they can grow. He has been pretty hit and miss in this part and it is discounted by player attrition but most coaches has turnover. The players that have stayed seem to always make more than incremental steps.
Another draw back is I don't think be does a good job of making great college players and or utilize their skill set. I think Rodney became a more rounded offensive player under Weber, but oscar didn't utilize him as well as Frank. The weird kicker is that was our best in conference offense since Lon.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
He definitely is underappreciated but I think we're talking about centers, if we're just talking "forwards" the answer clearly starts and stops with Michael Beasley.
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 07:19:48 PM
Post by: slackcat on April 07, 2017, 02:40:48 AM
Post by: Joker on April 07, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.
Quote
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
Post by: WackyCat08 on April 07, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
Post by: Cire on April 07, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
Post by: meow meow on April 07, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
hate the feel sorry stuff.
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
Yep.
And oscar feeling the need to say Veatch apologized to him sums up the article perfectly. oscar gonna oscar. Always.
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.
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But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 07, 2017, 09:55:52 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on April 07, 2017, 10:14:58 AM
:flush:
Post by: Yard Dog on April 07, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Post by: meow meow on April 07, 2017, 10:51:06 AM
Post by: ChiCat on April 07, 2017, 11:03:02 AM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.QuoteBut there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
Post by: catastrophe on April 07, 2017, 11:16:21 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
Post by: mocat on April 07, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
Post by: Joker on April 07, 2017, 11:37:26 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 11:51:21 AM
oscar just isn't Wooly enough.
Yeah. oscar is way better as a coach, but about 100% less likable.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2017, 11:55:12 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 07, 2017, 12:41:52 PM
Update: oscar is still here.
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.QuoteWeber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
Vote of confidences are stupid, they always end in a firing a year later. I think it is smart on Veatch's part to try and not give one. Just awful execution.
Post by: sys on April 07, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 12:51:05 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Very true. Also very strange since on the of the offensive stats he seems to value the most are assists per made made FGs.
Post by: sys on April 07, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 07, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.QuoteBut there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
I think this is just poor logic. One it is better to have a harder schedule, a better SOS makes it easier to make the NCAAs. Two the staff tried to beef up schedule but no one would schedule them, that is more of a reflection of what other programs thought of K-State. Three teams was totally capable of beating good teams there is a reason they finished 30th in kenpom.
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on April 07, 2017, 03:28:36 PM
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
An Elite 8 might warm some people to oscar. Maybe.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
I thought I was probably wrong about him after his second year. I think if you go back and read the board from that time, it was mostly positive toward oscar. It's amazing how fast the optimism of having 3 more years of Marcus Foster to build around can vanish.
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.not the worst way to coach
Post by: pvegs on April 07, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
i honestly don't know how the players deal with that aspect. it would just be so confusing/distracting/annoying and lead to me tuning him out (which i'm sure happens).
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2017, 03:45:42 PM
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Post by: sys on April 08, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Post by: pvegs on April 08, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
i will give the gpc crowd some credit in that the majority seem to have finally revolted against posts like this
Post by: Ptolemy on April 09, 2017, 12:55:43 AM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Please seek psychological therapy.
This is not that complicated.
Oscar has shown himself via his record of accomplishment to be a good mid-major level coach. He is in over his head - in recruiting, game day coaching, player development, and public relations - at the Power 5 level.
That's it.
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 09, 2017, 01:19:32 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2017, 03:28:08 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
He hasn't signed one in the fall yet at K-State. It is rough ridin' insane.
Post by: ELL3 on April 09, 2017, 01:15:15 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Great point, the record in conference is not important. That try really hard chart needs to be how we evaluate coaches, poor Oscar just has the deck stacked against him.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
Post by: renocat on April 09, 2017, 07:30:55 PM
Post by: #LIFE on June 11, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Post by: The Big Train on June 11, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Post by: #LIFE on June 11, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Post by: The Big Train on June 11, 2017, 09:05:50 PM
Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Punch these people in the face #life
Post by: michigancat on June 12, 2017, 12:08:48 AM
Post by: meow meow on June 12, 2017, 09:00:35 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 14, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
yeah major studs Karl and Mary like being associated with huge losers like oscar. Your ITK doesn't K crap
Post by: Ptolemy on June 14, 2017, 11:19:24 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
That kind of nonsense motivates me to make my business interests SO profitable that I can wave more dollars in the face of Gen. Meyers than the Ice family so he will act in my best interests rather than theirs.
America!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
Post by: #LIFE on June 15, 2017, 01:00:55 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 01:43:30 PM
Rumblings the loser ran another player off
Like, our only big man too.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 15, 2017, 01:49:04 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 15, 2017, 01:51:05 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
Maurice?
(http://replygif.net/i/1374.gif)
Post by: Tobias on June 15, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Post by: Winters on June 15, 2017, 02:05:16 PM
Post by: Gooch on June 15, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 15, 2017, 02:13:07 PM
Hasn't K-State bball been bragging about him working out overseas through twitter?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 02:15:39 PM
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 15, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
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I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Post by: Winters on June 15, 2017, 02:22:35 PM
GPC post of the day:Holy effQuoteI agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Post by: mocat on June 15, 2017, 02:22:40 PM
1. maurice
Post by: #LIFE on June 15, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/oscar+Weber+Texas+Rangers+v+Kansas+City+Royals+hQbAlrHG7tBl.jpg)
Post by: ChiCat on June 15, 2017, 02:24:55 PM
2) Problems are trouble
3) That troublesome problem can eff right off
Post by: mocat on June 15, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 02:27:25 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cruT8j5F--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zck3eju0ncntbmoamagv.gif)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 02:54:42 PM
We need to change the name of this board to "we deserve this F'ing S"
Post by: Trim on June 15, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Post by: meow meow on June 15, 2017, 04:06:14 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 15, 2017, 04:15:59 PM
GPC post of the day:QuoteI agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
increds :love:
Post by: SdK on June 15, 2017, 04:19:04 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 15, 2017, 05:36:06 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 15, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
Post by: SdK on June 15, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Post by: The Big Train on June 15, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
It's not his fault!
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 15, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
Post by: memphis on June 15, 2017, 08:13:41 PM
Post by: BackPayne on June 15, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 16, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
Post by: BackPayne on June 16, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Post by: HELLHAMMER on June 16, 2017, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: SdK on June 16, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.Comes from a poor family. Deserves it.
Post by: grainer on June 16, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I am not spending another dime on KSU MBB until this coach is gone. I'm done. More people should do the same. Drop the ticket sales - that should send a message.
If people won't vote with their pocketbooks, then we all share culpability for this bullsh8t continuing.
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Post by: SdK on June 16, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2017, 10:36:37 AM
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 16, 2017, 10:43:50 AM
It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point. oscar and The Mustang have killed it.Yeah, I was just thinking about this yesterday. We're all pretty numb to it these days.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
something that was legitimately bizarre when it first started happening is now totally normal.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 16, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded.
Post by: BackPayne on June 16, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Post by: memphis on June 16, 2017, 05:41:29 PM
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded.
The Animal still in action :driving:
Post by: #LIFE on June 16, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
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Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.
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As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
Post by: steve dave on June 16, 2017, 07:39:32 PM
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This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world
holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world
Post by: memphis on June 16, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
QuoteThis is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world
holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world
Spracs, did Self start the fire?
Post by: Spracne on June 16, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
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Post by: SdK on June 17, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
Post by: SdK on June 17, 2017, 09:02:02 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 17, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Post by: ELL3 on June 17, 2017, 01:07:12 PM
QuoteWeber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.QuoteAs Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
If this a legit post, it makes me sad we have people like this in our fanbase
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 18, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: Katdaddy on June 18, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbassesWack, this is totally unlike you. Aren't you the guy who admires those that stand on their own two feet and want to do the right thing; as in "not Bill Self".
Post by: 0.42 on July 08, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbassesAgreed, but it seems like compared to most P5 schools they constitute an extremely high percentage of the overall support base. I can only think of a handful of schools where such open self sabotage in the name of hypercompliance and busting players for weed would be tolerated by an open majority of their fanbase, and none of them are particularly good at anything aside from the occasional hobby support. Think Iowa State, Purdue, Oregon State, maybe Wazzu once the Animal runs off Leach.
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Post by: memphis on July 20, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
Post by: #LIFE on July 20, 2017, 10:28:23 PM
Post by: WackyCat08 on July 20, 2017, 10:59:59 PM
Post by: renocat on July 21, 2017, 01:56:47 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on July 21, 2017, 03:12:11 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.#LIFE - precedent has been set and maybe we can get Wooly to file the FOIA. We just need you to steal Weber's uni provided phone and a few backpage numbers
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit)
Post by: dal9 on July 21, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something.fuk'd up.
Post by: Bloodfart on July 22, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
Post by: renocat on July 29, 2017, 06:16:56 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on July 30, 2017, 10:30:21 AM
Post by: memphis on July 30, 2017, 04:42:13 PM
:dubious:
Post by: Pett on July 31, 2017, 03:19:44 PM
Post by: meow meow on July 31, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: 0.42 on August 01, 2017, 08:49:03 AM
i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.
This could actually be super fun maybe? :sdeek:
Post by: memphis on August 01, 2017, 09:05:45 PM
Post by: Pett on August 04, 2017, 08:24:11 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
Bruh