Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.Assuming we don't do what needs done to get to the NCAAs (which we won't), I want him fired before he gets to the locker room and the replacement announced less than 24 hours later just to drive home the point that he was a dead man walking for a while. Of course, I'm a Currie hater at this point too (probably unustified to a large degree, but whatevs), so I'd like them to help each other pack and move.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
Who invited this guy?2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
Whether you love him or not, coach oscar Weber has won a lot of basketball games. He may be on the hot seat in Manhattan but it may not be time to make a coaching change.
First of all, some believe oscar Weber’s Wildcats exceeded expectations this season.
Kansas State started strong with a 12-1 mark entering conference play. Only a 1 point loss to a tough Maryland team kept them from a perfect record.
As a result, the Associated Press recognized Kansas State for their hot start with 4 votes in the December 12, poll.
Also, the December 19, AP poll included the ‘Cats- with one vote.
Maybe fans should consider the national attention? Although it’s not huge, it certainly looked good at the time.
In October, coaches picked the Wildcats to finish 9th in the ten-team Big 12. By comparison, the same poll predicted Texas and their big-time talent to finish third.
oscar Weber’s team is currently sitting tied for 6th with two games to play. Shaka Smart’s Longhorns are tied for the Big 12’s basement.
Since Texas underperformed, maybe Smart should be on the hot seat rather than Weber?
The Wildcats play in the toughest conference in the country with an incredibly difficult round-robin schedule.
Ken Pomeroy, the guru who tracks college basketball strength of schedules and more keeps telling fans how good the basketball is in the Big 12..
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Not only is the Big 12 the best conference, but it's the most exciting. 37% of games decided by 3 pts or less or in OT. No conference close.
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It is especially important for fans to remember Weber picked up a milestone career victory this season. On December 6, Weber earned the 400th win of his coaching career when the ‘Cats beat Prairie View 74-55. There is something to be said for his experience.
Coach Weber knows how to win. Due to injury and other factors we have seen few wins in February. Fans are understandably angry. They expected much more from this senior class. Did they expected too much.
Finally, fans didn’t like Kansas State Athletic Director John Currie’s choice to replace Frank Martin.
Did you know Martin has not taken a team to the NCAA tournament since his final year at Kansas State? His team went to NIT last season. They lost in the 2nd round.
It will be fascinating to see how Weber’s ‘Cats finish the regular season. Stay tuned.
Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
My birthday as well. There are a couple of things I'd like more for my birthday, but that would certainly make for a better day.Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
Still not fired. Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.
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Not fired.... Why not?
No AD to fire him??
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
oh go take a ride on a moped
;)
Maybe fans should consider the national attention?
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Waiting for Bruce Weber news conference that was scheduled for 2 p.m. at Bramlage Coliseum. No sighting as of 2:17 p.m. pic.twitter.com/TbDbH9LA4G
— D. Scott Fritchen (@DScottFritchen) February 28, 2017
Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.
Helping John pack.
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
He came home with the team.
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel
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If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnelAt the very least, drop your sblhorts, hang the shineyhiney over the rail, and drop an organic brown bomb on oscar while mooing.
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A bald man with an amazing goatee just confiscated and destroyed a "Fire Bruce" sign from the front row here at Bramlage.
— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) March 4, 2017
Greg??It wasn't me but I can confirm that was the same goon that took my mask last week.A bald man with an amazing goatee just confiscated and destroyed a "Fire Bruce" sign from the front row here at Bramlage.
— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) March 4, 2017
Also, this one. Interesting column by @KevinHaskin. #KState pic.twitter.com/DRav6lj1Vs
— Riley Gates (@Riley_Gates) March 5, 2017
Interesting quote from @KevinHaskin's column. I ask you, what is right for #KState? pic.twitter.com/6MTyYKVAPh
— Riley Gates (@Riley_Gates) March 5, 2017
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Interesting quote from @KevinHaskin's column. I ask you, what is right for #KState? pic.twitter.com/6MTyYKVAPh
— Riley Gates (@Riley_Gates) March 5, 2017
Oh man oscar!Quote“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
He's under contract through '19. Please tell me they won't extend beyond that if the somehow squeak into the tourney. Is it that uncommon to coach with 2 years left?
Each practice starts with a quote on the whiteboard, and Weber has chosen this one from Rockefeller specifically: I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything
He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.
Oh man oscar!Quote“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
“Yeah, well, rules are meant to be broken,” he says.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
i need baylor -1
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+
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Seems pretty clear to me :dunno:
Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
go ahead and bury this thread for three years
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Lol JK, I can't handle this crap
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum. While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.
It's not like it's your money.
What the hell is wrong with you people. It's not like it's your money.
having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now. and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.
Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising
No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations
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I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Crowd showing Bruce Weber love as he walks off the floor. Several Bruuuuce chants. Lots of high fives.
— Kellis Robinett (@KellisRobinett) March 15, 2017
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
i still want him fired.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69tRwJVsAEpbc7.jpg)This is good.
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement. But he's not getting fired, didn't think he was even before the win last night.i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
We're getting into a space of not firing him but also not extending him. Next season can be the make-break season. Plenty of questions still to answer about roster, player dev, and what the trajectory is here.oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5
_FAN you left out the big xii ship year
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
:thumbs:Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.
Then fire himYes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drakeyeah we definitely don't need to overpay or over extend that doofus
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad. which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles. not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.i still want him fired.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Go for it oscarfitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.There is zero chance oscar gets fired (unless he does something extremely unsavory off the court). It's not going to happen. I will give tremendous odds if someone wants to bet on it.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you re. whether I think oscar should get fired.Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Yes
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Oh I think AD's should be aware of what a tourney run does to a coach's value but not hire a coach based on such runs, because luck is a much larger factor in 1-2 games. It's not about finding diamonds in the rough, it's about avoiding mistakes like John Groce. (I keep repeating him because he's the only one I can come up with off the top of my head)That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.QuoteWhat made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Update?
Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.
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great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.
thank you oscar :blush:
what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.QuoteWhat made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU. It's only money
Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General. What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD?
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
So still no update huh?
So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?
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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAsOn that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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Was that after OU?
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Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAsOn that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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Was that after OU?
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go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
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go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.They pay Forbes a $205,000 salary. He has a great resume. Better than Underwood by a mile. Helped build great programs at Tenn and WichitaSu. Punishment for defending scuz Pearlx but we took a chance once on Huggins. This guy is clean and humble and dirt plain. If don't, okiemooos will.
I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?
local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.He was a puma!
We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?
I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him
I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there.
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ncaa-makes-kentucky-writer-delete-video.htmlGross.
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K-State basketball is dead. No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
Bruce Weber sighting at the @NJCAATournament in Hutch this morning. #sigh #stillwearingpurple @DScottFritchen pic.twitter.com/8vDNAqL90C
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Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?Bruce Weber sighting at the @NJCAATournament in Hutch this morning. #sigh #stillwearingpurple @DScottFritchen pic.twitter.com/8vDNAqL90C
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I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job. He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility. It's one of the top two programs in the CAA. Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).
How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?
Well, yeah.Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Well, yeah.Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
If oscar Weber is going to Drake (or any mid-major) it will only be after he's fired and gets his buyout. However, there are still rumblings in the coaching world that K-State has been reaching out to candidates. It's really hard to time date those feelers, though. Maybe losing in the round of 64 was good enough and the contacts with coaches, direct or indirectly, have ended. I will continue to dig.
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.You're really harshing my buzz, MIR. Geez!
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
:Crybaby:it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?
His buyout was $1.55 million, which he or Tennessee may owe K-State.
The Vols are responsible for Currie's buyout at Kansas State, which according to the MOU will not exceed $175,000.
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http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
He also mentioned that Northwestern coach Chris Collins sent Riley a powerful text about his dad, former NBA coach Doug Collins, getting fired by the Bulls in 1989 while Chris Collins was in high school. “Going through that helped prepare him and make him the man he is now and the position that he is in now,” Crean said the text read. “That. Is. Strong.”
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
The most emotion showed may have come from a hug from his cleaning lady.
I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.
Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
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QuoteDon't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
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Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Who hates ertz?? :confused:Many before he got good, because of Iowa.
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
haha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
The amendment set a 2020-21 salary at $1.75 million, which added $875,000 to both sides' buyout obligation should Prohm leave for another job or ISU terminate him without cause.
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read herewow- how big was the dent Steve put in his Taurus when he saw that Brad got a $18 million contract?
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
oh, let me be the second thenhaha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
I enjoyed it more the second time. :thumbs:oh, let me be the second thenhaha I made this same joke a while backhttp://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-shouldlet me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
:dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?
Must be one of 15 others
Must be one of 15 others
Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
-or-
Dana Altman coming home
Man this is taking for-ev-er!
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.Agree
He's Adam West Batman.
Any rumblings?
Any rumblings?
While Frank Martin clinched a Final Four, Bruce Weber wandered the aisles of HyVee looking for the good chicken nuggets. Thanks John Currie pic.twitter.com/D0R5Ov9sOE
— Luke Mc (@lukemc58) March 26, 2017
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
chillll it was sent to me
— Luke Mc (@lukemc58) March 26, 2017
“We took a step forward this year, and we look forward to making another step forward next year,” Athletics Director Laird Veatch told The Mercury Monday.
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything, I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Hope is a good thing. Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— scottwildcat (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— scottwildcat (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
currie, that ole sly dog@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— scottwildcat (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
@rynjrgr fwiw starting in 13-14 they started counting GA tix sold to the public as they continued to report 4500/game for students
— scottwildcat (@scottwildcat) March 28, 2017
Very dishonest
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
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Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804)
K-State Basketball: we missed another shot pic.twitter.com/41q8DwPugH
— prsht (@prumfsy) February 23, 2017
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
And there is no way that he doesn't want to win. You don't go into this (or really, any) profession where competition is key and not care about winning. Now what he defines as successful, and how he works towards that goal can be debated endlessly. But to say a D-1 coach doesn't want to win is ludicrous. And I am not a fan of his, but the comparisons are not even remotely in the same ballpark.Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.
:facepalm:at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Wade, Sneed, Harris, DJamer, etc. Biggest misconception about oscar. Hate him for who he is, but stop bringing up this lame ass talking point that he can't recruit ppl. :jerk:
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.
Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
Yes, those are amazing commercials.
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
:lol:oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting
He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem. It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
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He's OK at it!
A major part of developing players is recruiting players that have a skill set they can grow. He has been pretty hit and miss in this part and it is discounted by player attrition but most coaches has turnover. The players that have stayed seem to always make more than incremental steps.
Another draw back is I don't think be does a good job of making great college players and or utilize their skill set. I think Rodney became a more rounded offensive player under Weber, but oscar didn't utilize him as well as Frank. The weird kicker is that was our best in conference offense since Lon.
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
hate the feel sorry stuff.
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
oscar gonna oscar. Always.
But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
oscar gonna oscar. Always.QuoteBut there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
oscar just isn't Wooly enough.
Update: oscar is still here.
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.QuoteWeber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
oscar gonna oscar. Always.QuoteBut there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.not the worst way to coach
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does signI don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Punch these people in the face #life
Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
That kind of nonsense motivates me to make my business interests SO profitable that I can wave more dollars in the face of Gen. Meyers than the Ice family so he will act in my best interests rather than theirs.
America!
Rumblings the loser ran another player off
Maurice?
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
GPC post of the day:Holy effQuoteI agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
GPC post of the day:QuoteI agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
No. 100% on oscar.
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.Comes from a poor family. Deserves it.
It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point. oscar and The Mustang have killed it.Yeah, I was just thinking about this yesterday. We're all pretty numb to it these days.
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded.
Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.
As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world
QuoteThis is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world
holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world
QuoteWeber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.QuoteAs Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
Every fanbase has these dumbassesWack, this is totally unlike you. Aren't you the guy who admires those that stand on their own two feet and want to do the right thing; as in "not Bill Self".
Every fanbase has these dumbassesAgreed, but it seems like compared to most P5 schools they constitute an extremely high percentage of the overall support base. I can only think of a handful of schools where such open self sabotage in the name of hypercompliance and busting players for weed would be tolerated by an open majority of their fanbase, and none of them are particularly good at anything aside from the occasional hobby support. Think Iowa State, Purdue, Oregon State, maybe Wazzu once the Animal runs off Leach.
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.#LIFE - precedent has been set and maybe we can get Wooly to file the FOIA. We just need you to steal Weber's uni provided phone and a few backpage numbers
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something.fuk'd up.
i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
2-2 puts us right on track to finish 9-9 and hit that sweet sweet zone of mediocrity.
:confused:Let's not all start S'ing each other's D's quite yet
He has a dead body in the back seat?
What is he doing? Like he’s a weirdo and crap and does lots of crap I don’t like but he’s better than this.No he isn't. He has always had years in which he totally lost teams. He's always been a crappy offensive coach but I think he's getting worse at it. It's compounded when he is fielding a young team who can't play the defense he hangs his hat on.
Nah he forced Gene’s hand tonight, he is a dead man walking.You bet Gene and Oscar have a long chat either tonight or in the morning.
I’m not buying it, I think he has an illness or something he is hiding.
Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
:ksu:Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
All the more reason to can him. Less schools to compete with for the guy you want.
Is this the first time you guys have seen that? It's as old as The Hill.
Honestly impressed that he didn't pinch his nose closed before he jumped.:ROFL: