Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

[EMAWzifried]

During his post-game radio comments, Oscar said he didn't have the team run any set offensive plays. He put in a few set plays late last season and the team played better, he said, but we aren't running any now.

WTactualF?

This is straight-up coaching malpractice, but it certainly answers the question of why our offense flounders so often and devolves into throwing the ball around aimlessly until someone jacks up a bad three. It means no plays designed to get Pack an open loo, or to get Bradford the ball in the post or play off that asset.

Hearing that certainly tempered any optimism i have for the season or the program until that lump of coal is fired.

[MakeItRain]

Good, he has good offensive weapons, happy to see that he won't be joysticking them and they won't be playing like uncreative brainless drones.

Did you forget how robotic the offense looks under oscar and how they don't seem to know what to do when something gets taken away?

[EMAWzifried]

Good, he has good offensive weapons, happy to see that he won't be joysticking them and they won't be playing like uncreative brainless drones.

Did you forget how robotic the offense looks under oscar and how they don't seem to know what to do when something gets taken away?

I'll grant you he can't coach offense worth a lick. But maybe a little structure would help prevent excessive turnovers, panic threes as the clock runs down, players getting into each others' way and the usual costly late-game fuckups.   

The real question here is why is that dumb ass still our coach?

[michigancat]

oscar has always had too much structure on offense if anything

[8manpick]

“Plays“ is different than “structure.”  Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”

[wetwillie]

One of the plays should be where the little pg we have throws an alley oop dunk to Davion Bradford

[Winters]

One of the plays should be where the little pg we have throws an alley oop dunk to Davion Bradford

What if they combine together and make a "super person", ya know, like kicking & screaming (I know that is a soccer film but wow could you imagine?)

[michigancat]

“Plays“ is different than “structure.”  Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”

and you can also have "structure" that isn't "plays" that still lead to players overthinkng what they're supposed to be standing and nothing meaningful happens until Angel Rodriguez or The Flush bail the offense out by attacking the rim at the end of the shot clock.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

“Plays“ is different than “structure.”  Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”

and you can also have "structure" that isn't "plays" that still lead to players overthinkng what they're supposed to be standing and nothing meaningful happens until Angel Rodriguez or The Flush bail the offense out by attacking the rim at the end of the shot clock.

It’s the difference between being outstanding and out  standing

[ChiComCat]

Plays are for end of game, in-bounds, or to take advantage of mismatches. I agree with everyone about having a structure but avoiding oscar micromanaging, which is generally terrible.  His good teams all had PGs that can run the offense without his meddling.

[nicname]

Plays are for end of game, in-bounds, or to take advantage of mismatches. I agree with everyone about having a structure but avoiding oscar micromanaging, which is generally terrible.  His good teams all had PGs that can run the offense without his meddling.

But boy does he meddle! I think his micromanaging is good for the defense. not so for the offense.

Check out this awesome freelance offense ran by Scott Davenport's Bellarmine Knights. They don't shoot many threes, or do many ball screens, but space the floor and do tons of cutting and off-ball screens. They're offense remained highly efficient last season after transitioning from DII to DI, and were again one of the best FG% teams in the country (not sure about eFG).

They also don't have a player taller than 6'7" on the roster.

[EMAWzifried]

Nearly all forecasters are picking us last, which is kind of puzzling given Iowa State and TCU still exist. I'll guess sixth or seventh with about 17 wins.

[MakeItRain]

Nearly all forecasters are picking us last, which is kind of puzzling given Iowa State and TCU still exist. I'll guess sixth or seventh with about 17 wins.

Iowa State unanimously last place in both the preseason coaches poll and one vote short in the media poll and tcu got that other 10th place vote. We were significantly closer to 7th than 10th.

[rob mccolley]

Visiting this board is like a Tardis to the past.

I see from this thread that you guys are experiencing the 2007 season, except you don't have any of Billy Gillispie's recruits remaining.

Your team will score exactly 58 points per game more often than it doesn't.

[rob mccolley]

Oh, and because I was sitting in a Brad Underwood press conference yesterday, I can tell you that he actually mentioned the fan experience of watching entertaining basketball.

Brooth still thinks of the game as something that must be endured.

[ChiComCat]

Your words hurt Rob, mostly because they're true

['taterblast]

in a Brad Underwood press conference yesterday, I can tell you that he actually mentioned the fan experience of watching entertaining basketball.

 

[MakeItRain]

Winning basketball games is fun basketball. No one said a damn thing about fun when we averaged 60 points a game during the elite eight run. We scored more points against Loyola Chicago than we did against Kentucky. Which of those games was more fun? BTW K-State also scored more points against Loyola Chicago than Illinois.

In 2019 when we won a conference championship we were 98th in adjusted offense and 339th in adjusted tempo. Brad Underwood's fun Illinois squad was 83rd in adjusted offense and 52nd in tempo, they went 12-21.

It's been a decade since oscar got fired from Illinois, he's greatly outperformed the like 8 coaches they've had in that time. I'll be damned if I let these clowns come over here and try to flex on us. Win something then talk.

oscar can't hear any of this because he has two Big 12 championship rings plugging his ears.

[mocat]

holy crap we were 9-20 last year? 

[Trim]

[stunted]

Happy for Brads success, we were his dream school so he’ll always be a wildcat to me.

[rob mccolley]

 

Mr. Rain's we/they viewpoint is not uncommon in the sports world, of course. But I think most of you Emaws understand that I'm not here for an out-group turf war.

But just FYI Rain, Brad did win* the Big 10 last year, and its tournament.

[dal9]

Mr. Rain's we/they viewpoint is not uncommon in the sports world, of course. But I think most of you Emaws understand that I'm not here for an out-group turf war.

But just FYI Rain, Brad did win* the Big 10 last year, and its tournament.

i don't understand why you are here

[CHONGS]

I like it when posters from other schools visit.

[SimoHayha]

Winning basketball games is fun basketball. No one said a damn thing about fun when we averaged 60 points a game during the elite eight run. We scored more points against Loyola Chicago than we did against Kentucky. Which of those games was more fun? BTW K-State also scored more points against Loyola Chicago than Illinois.

In 2019 when we won a conference championship we were 98th in adjusted offense and 339th in adjusted tempo. Brad Underwood's fun Illinois squad was 83rd in adjusted offense and 52nd in tempo, they went 12-21.

It's been a decade since oscar got fired from Illinois, he's greatly outperformed the like 8 coaches they've had in that time. I'll be damned if I let these clowns come over here and try to flex on us. Win something then talk.

oscar can't hear any of this because he has two Big 12 championship rings plugging his ears.

I dunno why we flex with shared titles followed by .500 (or worse seasons) and an early exit in the round of 64... That is beyond embarrassing in my eyes. But KSU fans will keep those shared titles with KU during their down years and hold them as high as they can while we have mediocre coach. That elite 8 run was the worst thing to happen, because it was a terrible excuse to give oscar an extension.

We failed Brad Underwood twice. He needs to come home soon. Can't let the boomers in here hold him back, sad!