:facepalm: (this bump)
good points, renocat
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
It was clearly a good catch.
not what he said at all. He said he was surprised they didn't stop the play for a review.It was clearly a good catch.
The top pro disagrees bro
Not disputing that John. But that was superior situational awareness.
Are our receivers dogshit? I mean, waters has been holding forever. Is he an unconfident loser? Gotta be one or the other, right?
Jake made some bad throws, particularly the miss to Lockett. But pass protection has been poor and the defense has been terrible. Also, Jones need to be on the field. I like Robinson but it's clear Jones is the guy. JMHO.
Are our receivers dogshit? I mean, waters has been holding forever. Is he an unconfident loser? Gotta be one or the other, right?
Jake made some bad throws, particularly the miss to Lockett. But pass protection has been poor and the defense has been terrible. Also, Jones need to be on the field. I like Robinson but it's clear Jones is the guy. JMHO.
well if you have a shitty o-line you might want to keep a guy like a daniel sams around.
Gronk is struggling. Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt. Then the two point conv "block".
Not disputing that John. But that was superior situational awareness.
Agreed.
Gronk is struggling. Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt. Then the two point conv "block".
Yeah, we made an amazing amount of mistakes and are only down 8. ISU is still a very limited football team. If we get things figured out, we could still win by nearly 2 TDs.
Jake much better at running this year than last.He did have a nice fainting goat.
Like, light years better.
Gronk is struggling. Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt. Then the two point conv "block".
Yeah, we made an amazing amount of mistakes and are only down 8. ISU is still a very limited football team. If we get things figured out, we could still win by nearly 2 TDs.
_Fan, I agree in general, but I think you might be underestimating just how bad our defense is.
2nd false start by a WR. This one helps kill a drive. Right side of OL, burton, cook all showing their lack of experience.
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.
No, we had the 1st down if Cody doesn't false start (waters completes to Lockett, 4th and 1 never happens).
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.
No, we had the 1st down if Cody doesn't false start (waters completes to Lockett, 4th and 1 never happens).
That gronk toss could have been our savior.
That gronk toss could have been our savior.
bump. i agree with the OP.
Just talked to Jake. He's really not upset with the bashing but he did mention something about you guys can go eff yourself. :billdance:
Waters had 370 yds of total offense with 2 TDs and no TOs. His pass blocking is bad, his WRs consist of a one legged Tyler Lockett and Kerry Meier's drunk cousins and our defense is less talented and assignment sound than we thought. He wasn't great. I wish he was better. I wish Sams had turned out to be the duel threat stud we all wanted. But it is what it is. He won the game, he played like he cared. That's more than anyone else on the team can say.
Waters had 370 yds of total offense with 2 TDs and no TOs. His pass blocking is bad, his WRs consist of a one legged Tyler Lockett and Kerry Meier's drunk cousins and our defense is less talented and assignment sound than we thought. He wasn't great. I wish he was better. I wish Sams had turned out to be the duel threat stud we all wanted. But it is what it is. He won the game, he played like he cared. That's more than anyone else on the team can say.
That gronk toss could have been our savior.
It was a bad miss, Gronk had lots of room. Waters has been far from great in this game and made plenty of mistakes.
No doubt he missed some throws. 377 total yds, 0 turnovers. Not the worst qb in the big12 like some tend to think by their replies.
Bottom line he was good and bad. But the 0 TOs is just a huge positive. Ssms was pretty darn good vs OkSt last year, but was good and bad because of the 4TOs. Turnovers are killers and last years entire team knows
I want Andre Davis to be good. I'm starting to think he may not be.
Judah will be this years Sams with Snyder saying he needs to play more as his playing time dwindles :frown:I want Andre Davis to be good. I'm starting to think he may not be.
I don't remember him playing at all or Judah Jones getting any meaningful opportunities. Seems similar to defense where we have more talented guys on the bench but Snyder just doesn't trust them.
Waters just mooshed all the haters fat faces. :love:
Hmmm. Apparently drunk felix was ranting about Waters on Twitter last night. Did not entirely remember that, but I stand by every word.
:facepalm:Waters just mooshed all the haters fat faces. :love:
Waters is a cocksucking Iowa hillbilly that will be lucky to win 6 games this year after our racist staff ran off the best QB we had. Continue having your circle jerk over a Jake picture at your weekly klan meetings I guess
Pretty good game by Jake.don't forget his 10 of 22 for 120 yards passing and 1 interception plus the fact we held the ball for almost 40 minutes in that game
Of note, Sams only had one game where he rushed for more yards than Jake did yesterday (199 on 30 carries against Baylor).
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.
I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.
I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?
I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.
I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?
I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.
He ran straight up, it was awful.
Exactly. Spittin image.Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.
I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?
I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.
He ran straight up, it was awful.
Just like Klein.
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.
He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.
Does he not bleed?Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.
He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.
Hubener is nothing like Klein, but continue making that point I guess.
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.
He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.
Hubener is nothing like Klein, but continue making that point I guess.
Klein has been teaching jake how to run.He ran a crap ton playing juco ball. He knows how to do it.
Klein has been teaching jake how to run.He ran a crap ton playing juco ball. He knows how to do it.
Sams WAS the dual threat QB we hoped would be. (And more).How did Sams and the Jacks do against the Fighting Bo's?
Sams WAS the dual threat QB we hoped would be. (And more).How did Sams and the Jacks do against the Fighting Bo's?
waters is a very stranger runner, actively looks for contact in the open field, cowers away from contact in 1 yard situations. switch it around bro!
Big 12 PotW. Jake mushed a lot of faces ITT.he's a stud doing stud things
rough ridin' cantele
He's getting worse as the game has progressed. He's just throwing it as far as he can and hoping for the best.
I hate Jake Waters. He's awful.
Cozart would have blown these losers out
I told you guys this rough ridin' loser has no talent and will be the death of this team
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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Yeah, woof at these idiots defending him. Grant Gregory wins this game by 10 points. I feel sorry for you loser obsessed with this Iowa reject. Think about that...IOWA rough ridin' STATE didn't even want him. Dumbass fanbase confirmed
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover?
If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover?
If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
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Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover?
If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
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Fumble yes, INT no. Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.
Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16. All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant. Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play. Kicker misses more than he did last season? Waters is the least of our worries.
He's def not the worst but I hate that kietzman and others keep talking about how he's the best throwing QB Snyder has ever had. He's not.
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.What the eff are you talking about?
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
He's def not the worst but I hate that kietzman and others keep talking about how he's the best throwing QB Snyder has ever had. He's not.yeah, Kavs has to fist pump a little on every 9 ft high out by Jake
So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover?
If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
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Fumble yes, INT no. Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.
Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16. All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant. Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play. Kicker misses more than he did last season? Waters is the least of our worries.
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This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.What the eff are you talking about?
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.
Uhh, the receiver was wide open, he missed him by like 5 yards. So I guess what "you do" is throw it to the receiver and not to the db covering the other receiver.So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover?
If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
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Fumble yes, INT no. Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.
Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16. All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant. Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play. Kicker misses more than he did last season? Waters is the least of our worries.
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I don't think you get it loser. We were down and out, he scrambled and tried to make something happen. Tried to make something happen because no one else on the entire team can capitalize on a moment. Obviously it didn't work but at that point what do you do? Run out of bounds or throw it away that late in the game on a late down?
He wouldn't have been in that sitch if it wasn't for Lockett and cantele. We would've been slow sny'd down the field barely picking up short and thirds and punting by that point wasting time.
What do you have to bet that we beat one of those teams?This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.What the eff are you talking about?
We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
I don't gamble. I just call it like I see it and I am almost always right. This team is very weak.What do you have to bet that we beat one of those teams?This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.What the eff are you talking about?
We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
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It's not a gamble if you are always right.I don't gamble. I just call it like I see it and I am almost always right. This team is very weak.What do you have to bet that we beat one of those teams?This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.What the eff are you talking about?
We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
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Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.
Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.
Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.
First half, yes. But in the second half, they proved to be every bit as mentally weak as the other units.
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.
Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.
First half, yes. But in the second half, they proved to be every bit as mentally weak as the other units.
No.
Uhh, the receiver was wide open, he missed him by like 5 yards. So I guess what "you do" is throw it to the receiver and not to the db covering the other receiver.So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0. He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.
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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover?
If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
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Fumble yes, INT no. Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.
Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16. All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant. Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play. Kicker misses more than he did last season? Waters is the least of our worries.
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I don't think you get it loser. We were down and out, he scrambled and tried to make something happen. Tried to make something happen because no one else on the entire team can capitalize on a moment. Obviously it didn't work but at that point what do you do? Run out of bounds or throw it away that late in the game on a late down?
He wouldn't have been in that sitch if it wasn't for Lockett and cantele. We would've been slow sny'd down the field barely picking up short and thirds and punting by that point wasting time.
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Anybody blaming this loss on the defense is a huge dumbass and probably hasn't played a down of football in their entire life
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.
Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.
Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.
Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.
If that is your assessment. We left 23 points off the board. Next idiot.
bump. he sucks.You're such a dumb eff! Another Lockett drop and he was 3/4.
bump. he sucks.You're such a dumb eff! Another Lockett drop and he was 3/4.
waters looked like he was still in bed on that last driveI don't know how someone is so bored in San Diego of all places! You miserable buffoon!
Wacky I dare you to not respond to kim just for one dayI know what he does, but he's a rough ridin' imbecile. It's the same rough ridin' joke over and over and some of you guys love it. So weird.
That loser made that simple play look as painful and as tough as humanly possible, congrats?Go to the Royals thread, dumb eff!
He's not good, wacky, like at all. He does one thing well and our backup last year did it better.Good god, we have a lot of dumb fucks in this fanbase.
That's ironic. I really don't get why you keep defending him. He's maybe an average quarterback at best. Locks on to one guy, not accurate, absolutely awful in the pocket. Those are 3 really important things to be good at.He's not good, wacky, like at all. He does one thing well and our backup last year did it better.Good god, we have a lot of dumb fucks in this fanbase.
His stats so far. 5/7, 87 yards passing, and a TD. You guys rough ridin' judge every step he takes because you fell in love with some back up qb who shares time at an fcs school. :lol:My god that's so stupid. If you can't evaluate a QB with your eyes then you aren't worthy of serious discussion.
Be happy, you miserable fucks!His stats so far. 5/7, 87 yards passing, and a TD. You guys rough ridin' judge every step he takes because you fell in love with some back up qb who shares time at an fcs school. :lol:My god that's so stupid. If you can't evaluate a QB with your eyes then you aren't worthy of serious discussion.
No one even brought his name up dumbass. Did Sams sex up mrs. wacky or something? Not sure what would make someone so bitter about great person, great teammate, and EMAW 4 life Daniel.He created the divide, dumbass and you know it. Get a new schtick, we already have carnes.
fanning, what the eff are you doing?Exposing a lot of duumbasses.
ou's defense really sucks:lol:
That was a great drive, credit where credit is due.
I'm not a huge waters fan you guys are literally the only people who think he sucks. Every analyst out there says he is solid and the stats back it up. You are the definition of stupid.
hunnicutt just bailed waters out
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.
Some of you powertards don't understand that
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.it occurred to me today that waters is very landry jones-esque. pretty effective qb, but an unconfident loser nonetheless.
Some of you powertards don't understand that
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?
Pretty sobering analysis, dlew12meh. being qb and facing a blitz would be very scary. you have to be pretty courageous to not be an unconfident loser in that situation, really.
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?
We've won 42 in a row in this situation.
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?
We've won 42 in a row in this situation.
I had a great fear of this streak being broken before the game. So now that we actually have the lead my fear is overwhelming.
Long run!
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.Funny, that kinda statement seems like it would only come from a loser.
Some of you powertards don't understand that
rough ridin' line had to bail him out again.Long run!
With a "juke move"!
good job getting injured jake you dumbass
that was pass interference imo
that was pass interference imo
Imo your imo is correct
Hope he is ok. Wish he would slide.Hopefully his sorry ass is out.
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?
We've won 42 in a row in this situation.
I had a great fear of this streak being broken before the game. So now that we actually have the lead my fear is overwhelming.
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:
Paint him black
wtf was that throw? huge missed opportunity
Why don't we have Waters throw passes like Knight does?Because you gave mike the road map and now they are doubling lockett.
ALL HE DOES IS WIN YOU SHITCOCKERS
LICK ON MY BUNGHOLE FUCKERS
i was pissed when I saw this thread gained 5 pages. I was wrong. Great read, would read again.
Louth Holthz juth Gafh thJake a helmeth thicker :excited:
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we didn't win because we could throw. we won because we could run, at least enough (and ou can't kick field goals).
we didn't win because we could throw. we won because we could run, at least enough (and ou can't kick field goals).
We won because we did both well. It was a pretty efficient offensive day. 7 YPP and .56 PPP is really good.
this is true. however we threw for like 300+ yds last year and lost. running the football is beyond important for this offense and Jake. Jake's run(s) were far more impressive than anything he threw. and were the reason, imo, that our throwing (while not overwhelming) was effective. we don't run (effectively) and OU is in a different set on defense on that 3rd and 3 at the end of the game.
Here is a graphic showing K-State's offense so far this season:
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If that is the case, and this is the only ship that we have. Then,....
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'cause this ship keeps winning games and Waters will get us there.
Waters really got bailed out when he zipped that pass in a window to lockett in the end zone. :frown:
Here is a graphic showing K-State's offense so far this season:
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If that is the case, and this is the only ship that we have. Then,....
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'cause this ship keeps winning games and Waters will get us there.
I think _FAN's picture was implying that everyone is bailing water(s) out.
Wow, I didn't even catch that. That's like on a whole other level, man.
Wow, I didn't even catch that. That's like on a whole other level, man.
Yeah, my man Stevesie knows what's up. Waters might as well be Ford, GM, and Chrysler combined.
Wow, I didn't even catch that. That's like on a whole other level, man.
Yeah, my man Stevesie knows what's up. Waters might as well beFord, GM, and Chrysler combined.
Ford didn't accept bailout money. Just sayin'. HERIQ.
Should we talk about Waters' sketti-shoulder?hernia
Should we talk about Waters' sketti-shoulder?Bill has ran the horns out of BSFS before with an unknown backup QB, I bet he can do it again.
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:
Paint him black
I still don't like Jake, as a person.
Really? You don't know him, right?I still don't like Jake, as a person.
Really? You don't know him, right?I still don't like Jake, as a person.
Put your post below the quote you rough ridin' downgrade.
And he's got to get better at throwing the ball away and not being so patient in the pocket that he gives those up repeatedly.
I still don't like Jake, as a person.
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
His bandwagon is about to get really full!!!!I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.
If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.
Jake is on pace for 3900. Just saying.
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.
If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.
Jake is on pace for 3900. Just saying.
I'd take a big 12 title.I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.
If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.
Jake is on pace for 3900. Just saying.
Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.
If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.
Jake is on pace for 3900. Just saying.
Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.
Will he get NFL looks?I think he's too short, but he'll end up at some camp for a look.
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Besides after the shoulder thing I don't remember Jake throwing a single bad pass during the ou game. Lockett dropped early, Burton wasn't looking but the pass was in the area, Sexton almost with the 1 hander, and Cook's drop. He is on fire.He is dinking and dunking with the best of them.
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.
If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.
Jake is on pace for 3900. Just saying.
Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.
I'd say 9-3 with this schedule puts him in the conversation. 10-3 with a nice bowl win and he's definitely worth mentioning. CFB playoff puts him in the conversion for best Snyder QB ever.
If anything, this shows how ridiculously overrated Collin Klein was. How on earth was he a Heisman finalist?I think it was because he scored lots of touchdowns and ran for lots of yards
If anything, this shows how ridiculously overrated Collin Klein was. How on earth was he a Heisman finalist?I think it was because he scored lots of touchdowns and ran for lots of yards
getting awful kRusty in here......
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.
If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.
Jake is on pace for 3900. Just saying.
Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.
I'd say 9-3 with this schedule puts him in the conversation. 10-3 with a nice bowl win and he's definitely worth mentioning. CFB playoff puts him in the conversion for best Snyder QB ever.
If he were to go 10-2, win the Big 12, and then beat ND in the Cotton Bowl, he's up there with Bishop and Ell, IMO.
My issue with Waters is that his talent leaves something to be desired no matter how well he plays. It is weird.
My issue with Waters is that his talent leaves something to be desired no matter how well he plays. It is weird.
It's because he doesn't do anything exceptionally. He's a good, not great, passing QB, his pocket presence is okay at best, he is still a poor runner but he has done a great job of learning the reads so he's an effective runner. He has improved a great deal with ball security. Despite all of this he's winning and making great plays while doing so.
Besides after the shoulder thing I don't remember Jake throwing a single bad pass during the ou game. Lockett dropped early, Burton wasn't looking but the pass was in the area, Sexton almost with the 1 hander, and Cook's drop. He is on fire.He is dinking and dunking with the best of them.
getting awful kRusty in here......
Well this season Waters is basically outperforming Klein's senior season except Klein didn't have a difficult OOC game. Sorry, the numbers from Panj don't lie.
Klein loves god better than Jake, so god made him physically better.Plus this God component.
Jake is not going to make any amazing runs like El or Michael. He is never going to truck someone like Collin. He has begun to read the defense and the running lanes better to pick up large chunks running the ball. MiR has it right.
Gonna win 'em all!
I'll agree to disagree with all of this. If you put Bish, Ell, or Collin on last years team, there is no QB carousel and the team doesn't lose 5 games. We are just as good, if not better this season with those guys. If he wins the Big 12 he will have a season similar to the other three, I don't think he's a better college qb than any of those guys. For me his ceiling is the best of the next group that has Waters, Beasley, and May.
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.
seems pretty dumb to think that snyder doesn't know how to use watersGonna agree with the clams here. In fact, I think Waters is getting almost every ounce of potential production squeezed from him by Snyder. I don't think Waters would be nearly as successful on any other Big 12 team.
seems pretty dumb to think that snyder doesn't know how to use waters
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.
Beasley had an amazing pair of seasons, too.
Jake is not an electrifying runner. He made a good/great read in that play and blew it up for 50 yards. I am referring to some if the crazy runs that Ell made or the battering ram runs that Klein made. Not saying Jake can't run, it is just the style of the run. Make sense?Jake is not going to make any amazing runs like El or Michael. He is never going to truck someone like Collin. He has begun to read the defense and the running lanes better to pick up large chunks running the ball. MiR has it right.
Gonna win 'em all!
I don't get the perception that he is not a good runner. Jake has broken a 50+ yard run in each of the last two games. His 40 time is around 4.6 which is fast for a QB.
I stand by my overarching evaluation of Jake.Not always pretty, but pretty damn good.
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.
Beasley had an amazing pair of seasons, too.
This is an extremely fair point when comparing Waters to those guys. I'm saying that IF Waters gets K-State to the CFB playoff he'll be remembered up with those guys.
I stand by my overarching evaluation of Jake.Not always pretty, but pretty damn good.
pretty much
I don't think I'll ever forgive him for making us a constant NDSU talking point.the cats defense deserves plenty of blame as well
I don't think I'll ever forgive him for making us a constant NDSU talking point.the cats defense deserves plenty of blame as well
Freeman is #1, dumbass fanning.
Jake is a rich man's Matt Miller - both can run and throw at average to above average level and Jake is a little faster and maybe has a slightly stronger arm. Miller went 9-2 as a senior, going 1-2 vs the top 3 teams in conference by beating #9 KU and losing to #5 CU and #1 NU. I can totally see Jake matching that performance by with the OU win = Miller's KU win and losses to TCU and BU.
Miller is in the middle my Cat QB Top 10 and that is where I would guess Jake ends up. If this season plays out like I think it will, I would put Jake right above Miller as he would of done it with inferior WRs and against a slightly tougher schedule.
Guys that could carry a team
1. Bishop
2. Ell
3. CK
Gamest of Gamemanagers
4. Beasley
5. Miller
1-D Pocket Passers
6. May
7. Freems
8. Kavs
Because I want to have Top 10
9. GG
10. CCQ
FreemanYou dumb!
Klein
Everybody else
Someone compare Waters to Reesing.
:lol: CCQ was way better than GGnot at playing football
Someone compare Waters to Reesing.
That's almost like comparing Waters to Wine.
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That's almost like comparing Waters to Wine.
Jake is a top 5 all time QB talent. His first full season as the defacto starting QB and he is putting up all-time numbers.
The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.
Yup!The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.
Similar size and tangible skills.
Every time i watch Wilson I'm reminded of WatersYup!The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.
Similar size and tangible skills.
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.How did we give '11 klein more than 300 carries? Holy crap that is absurd.
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.How did we give '11 klein more than 300 carries? Holy crap that is absurd.
That third and 13 tho.
Racism kept Bishop from winning the Heisman
He played well today given the injury.
Gritty win. His best plays were called back due to holding calls.
Jake needs to skip class all week and hang with the trainer.
I'll admit that, even in garbage time, Hubes runs a pretty QB power lead.
Jake needs to skip class all week and hang with the trainer.
I'll admit that, even in garbage time, Hubes runs a pretty QB power lead.
I'm guessing today was the first time Jake threw many passes all week. And the next time will be next Saturday.
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.
because we have to give Jones the ball close does not make Collin and Jake more comparable.
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.
because we have to give Jones the ball close does not make Collin and Jake more comparable.
I might consider bringing in Hubes to run the zombie formation instead of jones. Hubes would at least keep the defense somewhat honest.
Named one of twenty finalists for the Maxwell Award (best player in college football).Only because his receivers bailed him out. :curse:
It's very sad that this has become the official thread for one of the best players in college football.This is what happens when you have a bunch of dumbasses running around with low football iq.
He looked more healthy/less in pain this past week. Hopefully he's healing a bit every game. IMO he'll probably be needed for 8-10 designed QB runs in each of our next two games to get the right balance from our offense.
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.
I think he knows his limits and when to push himself. Klein seemed to know the same thing. When to go all in and when to hold up. It's go time now, time to push all the chips in.
Watching him play the last few weeks vs. previous to not getting sketti brained.I think he knows his limits and when to push himself. Klein seemed to know the same thing. When to go all in and when to hold up. It's go time now, time to push all the chips in.
Why do you think that?
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.
Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.
So since he is more hesitant due to injury that means he knows when to push himself?I don't know what you're trying to get at. I don't think he felt like he had to push himself in certain situations the last few weeks. I have the feeling, he will play differently this week vs TCU. Aka knowing your limits/the situation.
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.
Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.
yeah OSU was all over that play even without a rule change
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.
Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.
With the nature of what I believe to be Jake's injury, he should get a little bit healthier every week as long as he doesn't take another hard shot.
One thing that would help is if Jake threw the ball away the three to four times a game when he needs to. He never does it and either scrambles, gets sacked or throws a ball in to a terrible position.
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.
Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.
yeah OSU was all over that play even without a rule change
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/qb-curve-jake-waters-kansas-state/Did anybody read this:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/qb-curve-jake-waters-kansas-state/Did anybody read this:
Instead, he chose Manhattan, where he subsequently spent most of the 2013 season splitting time with a glorified tailback, Daniel Sams,
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.
It pisses me off. Yea one of the things we are good at is developing players, we put an emphasis on it. But you have to recruit players who have a enough untapped talent to develop.I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.
This is perhaps my favorite phog talking point. "Their talent level is only marginally better than ours".
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.
Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.
Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.
stars and talent is a word that gets over used IMO. measurables are the main basis for recruiting, also offers, and who they have played against. there are a ton of people with measurables, but do they do anything with it, or just rely on what they currently have to carry them.
the difference with bill is he sees the guys that dont necessarily have the measurables in the recruiting services eyes as "talented". what bill gets out of them is their true potential, and that is dedication to your craft and hard work. there is a reason bill has been so successful, he sees the potential in people and drives them to be better than they thought they could be. most of the guys that have been spoon fed "you are the best" for years dont have the drive and dont reach their true potential because they settle.
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.
Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.
stars and talent is a word that gets over used IMO. measurables are the main basis for recruiting, also offers, and who they have played against. there are a ton of people with measurables, but do they do anything with it, or just rely on what they currently have to carry them.
the difference with bill is he sees the guys that dont necessarily have the measurables in the recruiting services eyes as "talented". what bill gets out of them is their true potential, and that is dedication to your craft and hard work. there is a reason bill has been so successful, he sees the potential in people and drives them to be better than they thought they could be. most of the guys that have been spoon fed "you are the best" for years dont have the drive and dont reach their true potential because they settle.
At some point in time the ability to play the game has been devalued. But I also think Bill get players with better measurable than perceived by others.
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.Well, I'm sure our relative pace has a lot to do with it. With our slow ass pace (although we run 3 more plays per game compared to last year) turnovers play a much bigger role for us than they do with other offenses. Eliminating a possession and giving up field position are magnified when there are fewer possessions in the game.
Dlew, I believe Stevesie was refering to the DoD 1.0 teams of the 90s and early 2000s that were usually near the top of the league in penalties and turnovers.I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.Well, I'm sure our relative pace has a lot to do with it. With our slow ass pace (although we run 3 more plays per game compared to last year) turnovers play a much bigger role for us than they do with other offenses. Eliminating a possession and giving up field position are magnified when there are fewer possessions in the game.
So not turning the ball over is more important for us than it is with other teams. And this year (especially compared to last year) we've been really great at not turning it over.
Notably, TCU is leading the nation (by far) in takeaways per game . They average 3.3 per game; 2nd (LA Tech) is at 2.9 (:sdeek:). Granted, their pace is crazy -- opponents average 80.1 plays per game (only 16 average more), but still, that TO number is staggering.
In a lot of important ways, our offense this year mirrors that of '12 -- pretty good YPP and very few TOs.
In fact, in 2014, we average 6 ypp. In 2012 we averaged 6 ypp.
In 2014 we average 0.4 TOs per game. In 2012 we averaged 0.8 TOs per game. 5 (almost half) of our turnovers in '12 came against Oregon and Baylor. Without those disasters, our turnovers are basically even at this point.
Basically, our offense (to this point, of course) has been as efficient as our 2012 offense, which is saying a lot.
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).
Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).
Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
I wish we were a little more opportunistic, but as long as we stay positive on TO margin, I'm okay.
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).
Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
I wish we were a little more opportunistic, but as long as we stay positive on TO margin, I'm okay.
If you take Off Plays/TO and subtract Def plays/TO (which IMO is a better measure of TO margin) the Cats are +38.7, which is #13 nationally and very good. In regular TO margin we are +.75 per game, which is #25 nationally and still decent. To me this relates to TO% in basketball and when you factor in pace we are much better than we appear just based on raw TOs.
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).In terms of possessions, K-State turns it over (on average) about once every 13 drives (12th nationally), and forces a turn over about once every 7 drives (55th nationally).
Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).In terms of possessions, K-State turns it over (on average) about once every 13 drives (12th nationally), and forces a turn over about once every 7 drives (55th nationally).
Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
For a sense of scale, KSU averages about 11 offensive possessions a game (12th fewest nationally). TCU averages about 15 possessions a game (most in the nation).
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.
CBS Sports' Dane Brugler noted that Kansas State junior QB Jake Waters had "gained the attention and respect" of NFL scouts.
Brugler wrote that Waters had "show[ed] improved passing skills and toughness this season." The stats seem to bear this out, as Waters has raised his completion percentage from 61.2% in 2013 to 65.2% in 2014. Waters has also seen his yards-per-completion drop from 9.5 to 8.4 over the last year, though, indicating the possibility that he's completing more passes because the game-plan has been simplified for the quarterback. As a draft prospect, he's on the fringe. A big game against TCU on Saturday would do well to give scouts a little more to work with.
Source: CBS Sports Nov 6 - 8:58 PM
Were so mumped.
Lets get a first down before we get too giddy. Deal?
Lets get a first down before we get too giddy. Deal?OH crap I THINK WE JUST GOT A FD!!!
OH crap I THINK WE JUST GOT ANOTHER FD!!!Lets get a first down before we get too giddy. Deal?OH crap I THINK WE JUST GOT A FD!!!
our offense has been our downfall the last 2 seasons. that should never happen in college football.For once we agree.
why is he playing like a huge boner tonight?
Overall mismatch in speed.
Overall mismatch in speed.
Fixed your post.
Big game bill
Big game bill
Oh man!
Overall mismatch in speed.
Fixed your post.
No.more than just speed.
Hubes.
Wonder if Bill now remembers why he like dual threat QBswe dont (can't?) recruit enough talent to win at a high level, we have 20 years of evidence
Since his injury he has been a completely different player.No, no he hasn't been.
You guys are rough ridin' morons. The offensive line was god awful. Its pretty hard to run an efficient offense when you have to throw every rough ridin' down. You also cant win giving up 41 pointsSo what you are saying is waters has nothing to do with the loss....ok gotcha......dumbass
Jake has never beaten a good team
Jake has never beaten a good team
We haven't beaten a good team since Snyder came back.
I didnt say that. He made some bad choices, but he also had to make the most plays out of everyone. We have to have some sort of running game or we will be 8-4 at the end of the yearYou guys are rough ridin' morons. The offensive line was god awful. Its pretty hard to run an efficient offense when you have to throw every rough ridin' down. You also cant win giving up 41 pointsSo what you are saying is waters has nothing to do with the loss....ok gotcha......dumbass
I dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good
Collin Klein wouldn't have been able to go anywhere with that O-Line performance. This team is just averageI dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good
Yep a badass running game, the ability to completely lock down the clock, and a good passing game would have hurt us like crazy tonight.
eff it, I'm all in for Hubes
So luke is saying that we have always had shitty unconfident losers? Ya don't sayJFC :dubious:
eff it might as well, game reps for next year cuz ya know he is the next in line.....eff it, I'm all in for Hubes
Who's with me?
He looks like he could easily be better than Klein.
I dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good:thumbs:
Delton, tho.Why not play for next year at this point? TCU isn't losing again.
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Would it hurt recruiting a qb?
Really, really hope Ertz will be good.
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.
I can't tell if I have some confidence in/hope for Hubener for next year because:
a) I like Hubener, or
b) After watching Jake run I just like watching someone 6'4", 200+ lbs take off decisively, lean forward, and take long strides confidently
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.
Well then I hope you love our annual kick in the nuts. The ceiling for a team of walk-ons and 5 heart players is a share of a conference championship every 5 rough ridin' years and maybe a decent bowl, which we will probably lose.
Bet Bill is looking for another JUCO QB
Bet Bill is looking for another JUCO QB
Better be someone outside iowa
Lol. You dumbasses. Our running game sucks. Let's make Jake throw 60 passes.
lol yeah you dumbasses.
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.
Well then I hope you love our annual kick in the nuts. The ceiling for a team of walk-ons and 5 heart players is a share of a conference championship every 5 rough ridin' years and maybe a decent bowl, which we will probably lose.
interested to know how much Jake got paid to thrown this game.
Sad that Fannings life is based on the arm of an unconfident loserYeah, he's a rough ridin' tuck loser from Iowa. Somehow this dumbass bailed his way out to #1 completion % in Kstate history. rough ridin' bullshit if you ask me. :curse:
CongratsHow do we get rid of him? Can Sams transfer mid season with all of his ligaments broken from D2 football? :confused:
SadYou're telling me!
waters is a gigantic field goal fan
i think he's drunkDefinitely! :thumbs:
someone needs to put plastic over the folded laundry tonightWater(s) bed tho!
someone needs to put plastic over the folded laundry tonight:lol:
If we lose this, it's on Waters
If we lose this, it's on Waters
clutch 3 and out coming up here
If we lose this, it's on Waters
I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
clutch 3 and out coming up here
nope
If we lose this, it's on Waters
I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
your dumbass would say that
If we lose this, it's on Waters
I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
your dumbass would say that
Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.
7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.
Choke on that, KU ball washer.
If we lose this, it's on Waters
I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
your dumbass would say that
Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.
7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.
Choke on that, KU ball washer.
Reasonable people can have dissenting opinions regarding their team. No reason to get all tribal...
If we lose this, it's on Waters
I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
your dumbass would say that
Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.
7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.
Choke on that, KU ball washer.
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it. shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.
he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight. I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for. he was pure crap.
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it. shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.
he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight. I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for. he was pure crap.
sums it up pretty good
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it. shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.
he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight. I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for. he was pure crap.
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it. shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.Man, I agree. It seemed like I was watching goal line stands with chicken crap Prince QB who couldn't rush in a TD if his life depended on it. The big pussy only could throw sideline dinks, just like a Jayhawk CC QB. Thank God he had an NFL caliber receiver to save his ass.
he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight. I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for. he was pure crap.
that was the most frustrating game I've ever seen the cats win against a favored opponent, but it was not the quarterbacks fault.The hell you don't say!
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight. that's an efficient passing offense.
considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight. that's an efficient passing offense.
considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
Was it the 3-4 defense?
:ROFL:Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight. that's an efficient passing offense.
considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
Was it the 3-4 defense?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight. that's an efficient passing offense.
considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
Was it the 3-4 defense?
some people are just going to kill jake no matter what. even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight. that's still a pretty effective offense.
jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.
Jake doesn't throw interceptions as much anymore and I like thatH2O seems to be more accurate this year. Hope it due to the 5 to 8 seconds he gets from the O-Line.
Jake doesn't throw interceptions as much anymore and I like thatH2O seems to be more accurate this year. Hope it due to the 5 to 8 seconds he gets from the O-Line.
it's hilarious that people call him a duel threat though. he's still very timid on the run. maybe because he got dinged up, I don't know. without a QB run game we suck complete ass running the ball.
I think he's still hurt or at least worried about getting hurt again, hence his issues running the ball
You can't say this so definitively if the better QB you're referring to is Sams.some people are just going to kill jake no matter what. even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight. that's still a pretty effective offense.
jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.
i agree with this and with the fact that we should have a better qb than waters. it's v frustrating.
it's hilarious that people call him a duel threat though. he's still very timid on the run. maybe because he got dinged up, I don't know. without a QB run game we suck complete ass running the ball.I noticed that too. He has that "I'm just a NFL, "don't hurt me as I slide" type of mentality.
You can't say this so definitively if the better QB you're referring to is Sams.some people are just going to kill jake no matter what. even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight. that's still a pretty effective offense.
jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.
i agree with this and with the fact that we should have a better qb than waters. it's v frustrating.
Jake runs like an idiot now that he's hurt. Why does he jump so much?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight. that's an efficient passing offense.
considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
Was it the 3-4 defense?
I obviously don't know defensive alignments. The commentators talked about the 3 down linemen lined up on the center and guards clogging the middle... :dunno:
consider this evidence re: waters sucking
we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:
14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu
conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams
_FAN we're used to people like collin and daniel getting the living crap beat out of them and still being expected to go out there and run the ball. it's natural. even if it's coached. I mean, I doubt bill ever coached collin not to barrel full speed into the line of scrimmage. I don't think jake was ever that great at running the ball so I agree with bill saving him. but I understand what people are saying. on the other hand, jake threw for 400 yards with no pics so here we are.
consider this evidence re: waters sucking
we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:
14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu
conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams
_FAN we're used to people like collin and daniel getting the living crap beat out of them and still being expected to go out there and run the ball. it's natural. even if it's coached. I mean, I doubt bill ever coached collin not to barrel full speed into the line of scrimmage. I don't think jake was ever that great at running the ball so I agree with bill saving him. but I understand what people are saying. on the other hand, jake threw for 400 yards with no pics so here we are.
Of course.
But it doesn't take that much to realize the biggest asset for Jake Waters on this team is and has always been in the passing game and getting the ball to Tyler Lockett. We can debate the merit of the QB decision, but its THE reason he eventually won the job last year and the main reason for his success this year. I contended starting after the Texas game last year that Waters and Lockett had a special connection and if Waters could ever figure out his turnover issues that he would be a successful QB. For the most part that's what happened and I don't think just any QB could have done the same thing. So to me its absolutely stupid to think Jake should run the ball with abandon and get what IMO is a messed up AC joint messed up even more. If anything, I think we are running him too much, but I believe with the issues we have run blocking and with our backs that our staff feels that's the only way we can have any success running the ball.
Its not the best situation to be in, but its managed to put us at 8-2 with a shot at still winning this league. I honestly couldn't have asked for more coming into this season. And again, I'll take an ugly win any day.
consider this evidence re: waters sucking
we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:
14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu
conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams
Yeah, it sucks to go 3-2 with 2 road wins against good teams. Absolutely sucks.
I think he's still hurt or at least worried about getting hurt again, hence his issues running the ball
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight. that's an efficient passing offense.
considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
Was it the 3-4 defense?
I obviously don't know defensive alignments. The commentators talked about the 3 down linemen lined up on the center and guards clogging the middle... :dunno:
Yes. Then they stack 3 LBs over those DL and blitz a ton. 2 corners and a free safety with 2 other safeties that really play almost like OLBs at times behind those 6. I wasn't able to watch closely, but they stacked the box and we didn't handle the blitzes against the run at all. Surprisingly though we seem to pass protect pretty well and when Jake has time he is going to connect with Lockett and Sexton.
I thought we made some bad decisions when we got into the redzone. Our best running game stuff came from wildcat or Waters in shotgun, but we seemed to insist on I formation stuff often and WV just stuffed it. Jake has never been good on speed option, but we seemed to insist on running it. Also, it seemed as though we didn't trust our passing game down there even thought between the 20s WV could never really stop us. Its really amazing the way we could use the passing game with only 1 yard rushing and still manage to win TOP, but its still extremely frustrating to move the ball like that and not finish drives with touchdowns. 6 trips inside the 20 getting only 16 points is unacceptable and Dimel absolutely must get that fixed. We absolutely have to find some ways to run the ball or KU could give us trouble and BU will beat us badly.
And of course Waters shoulder is still dinged and its why he runs timid. Its healed some and he looks more comfortable, but he's not running like he did before the injury and I can't blame him. I think its ridiculous to call him out for that, he's trying to keep himself on the field so we can win games. In fact, I'm sure he's coached to be very careful running the ball.
This thread is something.Does this thread hurt the image of K-State/this blog? :frown:
Waters is an average QB. Pretty good thrower, decent decision maker, average runner. Anyone who thinks he is elite is wrong, and anyone who thinks he is awful is wrong. I've never stood up for him, because he is what he is. But it's laughable that the dude completes 65% on his passes, 400 yards and people act like he's terrible. He made a lot of mistakes last night, but who DIDN'T? That was a crap team performance. Even Lockett fuggin' fumbled. O-Line was dominated. How about Mueller (except for one play) getting just abused the entire game?
Again, Jake is average. Once we all can accept that, it'll be easier to digest these good games and bad games.
If we lose this, it's on Waters
I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
this one should have gotten a little more recognition. great work as always, 'cne. :thumbs:
your dumbass would say that
Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.
7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.
Choke on that, KU ball washer.
Reasonable people can have dissenting opinions regarding their team. No reason to get all tribal...
waters is fine. overall though i hate what dimel has turned this team into offensively. f u dimel w/ our little qb and our four wr sets and our non physical pass blocking only o-line. it makes me sad.I'm gonna research all your posts and see if you ever wanted Mike Leach to be our head coach. If you did, boy oh boy...am I gonna ever point it out to you...
Wacky got hammered last night :cheers:Yeah I did! :cheers:
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
:lol:Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
Maybe when he was fully healthy.
At this moment, Mahomes. Cummings is absolutely better right now. Baylor's backup, Russell.
:lol:Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
Maybe when he was fully healthy.
At this moment, Mahomes. Cummings is absolutely better right now. Baylor's backup, Russell.
waters is fine. overall though i hate what dimel has turned this team into offensively. f u dimel w/ our little qb and our four wr sets and our non physical pass blocking only o-line. it makes me sad.
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?
By default. Webb/Mahomes/Garman/Swoopes/Cummings/Richardson/Rohach are trash
Trickett is average. Waters is average, but better than Trickett (I'll even give him like a B-)
Boykin and Petty are the class.
So yeah, top 3 or 4. But not saying much.
Jfc some of you are dumbasses.
Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.This guy...
@stevedave Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:Well if you want to talk completion percentage, you should understand that Alex Smith ranks 53 spots higher than John Elway on the all time NFL list
By any passing metric, Waters is playing extremely well (and did last night too).@stevedave Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:Well if you want to talk completion percentage, you should understand that Alex Smith ranks 53 spots higher than John Elway on the all time NFL list
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.This guy...
Yards should not be a metric, game was extended by inability to burn clock.The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.This guy...
How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
Yards should not be a metric, game was extended by inability to burn clock.The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.This guy...
How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
The lower the rushing total the better the QB rating is really your point here is it?
Which is why we shouldn't be so worried about the run game based on the WVU game. We gashed them passing. That game should have been a blowout with their stupid defensive philosophy, we just didn't convert in the endzone like we should. If anything, we need to address why we can't convert in the redzone with passing.
The only thing I can tell from that graphic is that our Jake Waters isn't very different from Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston.
Can we be honest here? If the WR position didn't exist, Waters would be mumped! #soblessed #gopurple
:DCan we be honest here? If the WR position didn't exist, Waters would be mumped! #soblessed #gopurple
really enjoying going back and reading last nights gems
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB. Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home. We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me.
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB. Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home. We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me.
To be fair, that's not much different than any other year.
The only thing I can tell from that graphic is that our Jake Waters isn't very different from Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston.
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.
I see your point but it certainly isn't that simple. That type of defense does limit some of the passing game, and it generally takes an above average QB to really take advantage of it. Absolutely no running game leads to a lot of third and longs and a blitz coming limits how long you can wait to get open against m2m (except for TLBL, stud obvs).Yards should not be a metric, game was extended by inability to burn clock.The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.This guy...
How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
The lower the rushing total the better the QB rating is really your point here is it?
No, it really depends on why the rushing yards are low. If the defense is selling out with a bear front and run blitzes to stop the run, you should have a good day passing. If the defense is just running a base 4-2-5 and you can't run, you probably aren't going to be able to pass, either.
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB. Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home. We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me.
I know Carnes is carnsing, but I'd say victories at OU and WV debunk his dumbass theory. :th_twocents:
I am happy that Jake is our QB. Is he the best we've ever had? No. But the Cats are 14-3 in their last 17 games and he's been a big part of that.
One of those teams has 10x the talent that we'll ever have. But yeah, you're right, what a bum ass season.I know Carnes is carnsing, but I'd say victories at OU and WV debunk his dumbass theory. :th_twocents:
Yeah, those teams are awesome
I mean you are the only person who brings him up, everSorry if I'm the only one who talks about the elephant in the room, but he's the main reason everyone turned on Waters. To deny that would be close to insanity.
Charles Jones not being 100% kills our run game. Jake also not pulling on reads was hard to watch. Out O-line is garbage when it comes to run block for designed handoffs. Has there ever been a team that's so awful in run blocking but so good in pass blocking? Waters has had time to throw the whole year
I mean you are the only person who brings him up, everSorry if I'm the only one who talks about the elephant in the room, but he's the main reason everyone turned on Waters. To deny that would be close to insanity.
He'd probably be compared to collin klein more I guess, which wouldn't be a good look.Will Jake call the next cats QB on the telephone? Stay tuned.
He'd probably be compared to collin klein more I guess, which wouldn't be a good look.
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
Did we win?Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
that led to 19 offensive points
Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.Did we win?Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
that led to 19 offensive points
Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.Did we win?Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
that led to 19 offensive points
Good way to evaluate QB playYes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.Did we win?Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
that led to 19 offensive points
yeah, and wvu played a near flawless game
Charles Jones not being 100% kills our run game. Jake also not pulling on reads was hard to watch. Out O-line is garbage when it comes to run block for designed handoffs. Has there ever been a team that's so awful in run blocking but so good in pass blocking? Waters has had time to throw the whole yearWTF do you want, a O-line like the start of last season. This is a very good O-line for what they need to be doing. Jake had an average of 5-8 seconds to pass, when most NFL O-lines give a QB about 3-5 seconds. I swear you dwebs need to stick to the BB board, and maybe you'll come across as someone with sports intelligence. What a bunch pussy mocking birds around here. :facepalm:
Kimmy, you are so full of crap you may need a powerful laxative to clear you out. I suppose you were to busy complaining about our pro QB style of play to listen to Horsewoman talk about what a shitty mistake prone team play they had.Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.Did we win?Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
that led to 19 offensive points
yeah, and wvu played a near flawless game
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
You're still on last year, huh?Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
When was the last time we had a qb lose to a d2 team
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.
Yes yard dog, excellent point that when you get your dick kicked out the back of your ass people look at you differently.
Well to be fair, some wanted Klein to sit over Sams (@trim, did I do that right?).
You need to get Sams out of your head wacky. He's gone. Let it go.
Here's where I'd rank the QBs in my time paying attention to KSU that started a large number of games:how could you forget:?
Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Freeman
Beasley
Waters
Coffman
Meier/Webb combo
Here's where I'd rank the QBs in my time paying attention to KSU that started a large number of games:
Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Freeman
Beasley
Waters
Coffman/Gregory combo
Meier/Webb combo
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.
Are we judging this on numbers or who we think is better? :confused:
Are we judging this on numbers or who we think is better? :confused:
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1. But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1. But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.I would still have Bishop and Ell above Freems as a cfb qb
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1. But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.I would still have Bishop and Ell above Freems as a cfb qb
I might flip flop Freeman and Beasley on SD's list but maybe not. Its a good list SD
I wish Freeman didn't flame out in the NFL. :frown: He's like our Beasley of football. :frown:
no reasonable defense? Ell had flaws?
If you are giving Freems credit for putting up numbers on mediocre to bad teams I would give more credit to Ell for making a mediocre to bad team conference champions with the way the cats looked without him v Marshall and how the team crated in 04 with Sproles and 11 other returning starters.
Hell, Freeman may have had as much NFL talent at the skill positions as Ell played with when you consider Jordy is an NFL stud, Mastrud had a decent career and guys like Figurs, Clayton and Johnson actually got snaps in nfl games.
no reasonable defense? Ell had flaws?
If you are giving Freems credit for putting up numbers on mediocre to bad teams I would give more credit to Ell for making a mediocre to bad team conference champions with the way the cats looked without him v Marshall and how the team crated in 04 with Sproles and 11 other returning starters.
Hell, Freeman may have had as much NFL talent at the skill positions as Ell played with when you consider Jordy is an NFL stud, Mastrud had a decent career and guys like Figurs, Clayton and Johnson actually got snaps in nfl games.
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
But Jake has a really high completion %Yup. #1 in K-States history. :) Great point, 8man.
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
How can you be sure?
Why?But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
How can you be sure?
holy crap I laughed hard at that.
He has played to his ceiling of potential. I appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been. Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.
He has played to his ceiling of potential. I appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been. Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.
Really need a middle finger emoticon
He has played to his ceiling of potential. I appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been. Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.
Why?But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
How can you be sure?
holy crap I laughed hard at that.
Why?But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
How can you be sure?
holy crap I laughed hard at that.
He has played to his ceiling of potential. I appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been. Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.
:Flipped off x2:
Thanks, cfbandyman :D
bishop
roberson
klein
may/freeman tie
beasley
miller
waters
also these are players ranked on who i would want for a quarterback at ksu with snyds as coach. not ranked if i was a gm for the atlanta falcons or something.
bishop
roberson
klein
may/freeman tie
beasley
miller
waters
also these are players ranked on who i would want for a quarterback at ksu with snyds as coach. not ranked if i was a gm for the atlanta falcons or something.
May above Miller and Beasley?
Heard Chad May was a dick. Anyone else?
I'm more interested in the gif of chad may holding dry ice so it looks like smoke after he fired his finger gun:surprised:
I wasn't really following football when May was QB. I mean I was aware of him but I didn't regularly watch or attend entire KSU games until Bishop so I can't judge him or miller or kavenaugh
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.He also lost to Iowa St.
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
May was also sacked like a bajillion times that game. gE would have had a banner day bitching about the OL.
Refresh your memory by reading these quotes and then redo your rankings.
http://waitingtillmarriage.org/ksu-quarterback-collin-kleins-first-kiss-was-at-the-alter/
It would be interesting to see how the range of emotions and attitudes from current gE'rs would translate to the beginning of Snyder 1.0 onward. I mean, it was basically a party from 1991-2000 with a crappy 1992 thrown in. Hard to be cynical when you've never been good. By 1997-98 there would have been some opportunity for frustration, but not really before.I had season tis from 93 through 2000. You're right, even wins against UNLV and hanging within 20 of Nebraska were something then. We got a little greedy as a fanbase from 98 through 2003(the team always seemed to screw up something after winning so many other big battles), which felt pretty stupid from 05 through 08.
I guess we could go back and look at the early ksufans bball days, and the transition from Wooly to Huggs then Martin, but it still wouldn't really compare.
Side thought: gE bball bbsing during the rise of Snyder 1.0 would have been something else. Sys would have been a delight.
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
Pretty good qb's in both of those games.
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?
what a small timey program rumor :lol:
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?What a BIG timey program rumor!
"We're a product of a system that doesn't seem to work very well," Snyder said from his office in Manhattan, Kan. "I'm angry about the treatment we've gotten, my players are angry, our fans are angry. But our problem is a problem you run into a lot at this time of year: You don't know where to vent your anger. There isn't an individual or an institution who really seems to be in charge. You just hold it in."
Kansas State: Is Jake Waters the Big 12’s top clutch signal-caller? The senior has a Big 12-best 79.8 raw QBR on third down. He completes 63.1 percent of his passes, averages 12.42 yards per completion and is sacked just 2.3 percent of the time on third down. Waters is a key reason the Wildcats’ offense is so efficient and productive.
_FAN, do your QB rankings
I wasn't around for Kavannah, but goodness, if he is after Carsy.....
i think people way overvalue beasley and way undervalue may. jmo. you switch them with the teams they were on and everyone here would have may top four.
also it's crazy how similar kav and carsy were. i said it earlier but they were very, very similar in terms of strengths/weaknesses. interchangeable.
waters over freeman. man, i dunno.
i guess it goes back to the debate which is: are you ranking who is the better QB, or who had the better career at QB while at k-state?
because waters over freeman, i mean...
I wasn't around for Kavannah, but goodness, if he is after Carsy.....
Kavannah had a great defense and was just okay. I think Carson could have done the same thing playing then. Plus, Kavannah was probably the least mobile/athletic QB of any at K-State IMHO.
I always thought Allen Everidge was pretty good.at getting skettied maybe
:gocho:_FAN, do your QB rankings
_FAN Top 10.
Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Beasley
Waters
Freeman
May
Miller
Coffman
Kavannah
1-4 is solid. 5-8 is could be mixed in any order. Then 9 and 10.
jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any orderChill out, slim. You military hater, psycho. Sheesh.
what?jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any orderChill out, slim. You military hater, psycho. Sheesh.
Miller is clearly better than May to me.
what?jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any orderChill out, slim. You military hater, psycho. Sheesh.
stupid ass holidayVeterans day. :confused:KK, My work is giving us that Tuesday off, if you're still free. KC pak?
What in the world?
It was poorly executed. :dunno: Also, settle the eff down. :thumbsup:not to the people that knew the context of it, and im perfectly fine but we all get that you love waters and will find any reason to validate him. its fine to do that but you do it so much its almost unbearable
Well, if you followed along in this thread, we had a debate a few pages back between lists with Freeman ahead of Waters due to records, success, etc. It was nice to see a refreshing post from someone else who might think the sameway that I do. You think you're tired of my posts? Try reading about a thousand of opposition posts everyday on this board and then get back to me. It was relevant.It was poorly executed. :dunno: Also, settle the eff down. :thumbsup:not to the people that knew the context of it, and im perfectly fine but we all get that you love waters and will find any reason to validate him. its fine to do that but you do it so much its almost unbearable
ive read this entire thread, jake is a good college qb you wont find that many who will argue that. but to continue to seek validation is sadWell, if you followed along in this thread, we had a debate a few pages back between lists with Freeman ahead of Waters due to records, success, etc. It was nice to see a refreshing post from someone else who might think the sameway that I do. You think you're tired of my posts, Try reading about a thousand of opposition posts everyday on this board and then get back to me. It was relevant.It was poorly executed. :dunno: Also, settle the eff down. :thumbsup:not to the people that knew the context of it, and im perfectly fine but we all get that you love waters and will find any reason to validate him. its fine to do that but you do it so much its almost unbearable
may was a badass caflifornia bread gunslinger w/ an attitude and the fact that none of you dorks know that or anything about him kind of saddens me. so here goes...
may put kstate on the map w/ it's first bowl game under snyder and it's first 9 win season. then he followed it up with another bowl game and another 9 win season. also, this was back when the regular season was 11 games.
he was drafted in the 4th round of the nfl draft.
he lead the big 8 in passing yards and passing touchdowns both years he played.
he also finished seventh in rushing touchdowns one year.
he only lost four regular season games in two years. two to nebraska who won the national championship one of those years and lost in the national championship game the other. he also lost one to colorado that finished 3rd nationally. so four losses in two years and three of them were to teams that finished the bowl season ranked in the top 3.
waters over may? maybe the dumbest thing i've read on here in the last year.
Here's the thing (I remember you had a favorable view of Carsy too) he wasn't a terrible player and the 2010 offense was actually pretty solid even though he got constantly critiqued (some of it earned). The 2010 offense was 3rd in points per play since 2000. 4th in plays per TO. 6th in yards per play. Overall probably the 4th or 5th best offense (from some pretty good offenses) since 2000 from Snyder coached teams.Yeah. But I always tend to handicap CCQ because Daniel Thomas was on the team.
quit muddying up the waters in this thread!sorry, sorry fanman lets go beat zona tonight #1cat
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First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
Beasley won two bowl games:
1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
Beasley won two bowl games:
1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)
He won three.
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
Beasley won two bowl games:
1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)
He won three.
He won two. Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001. Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000). Redshirted in 1998.
may was a badass caflifornia bread gunslinger w/ an attitude and the fact that none of you dorks know that or anything about him kind of saddens me. so here goes...
may put kstate on the map w/ it's first bowl game under snyder and it's first 9 win season. then he followed it up with another bowl game and another 9 win season. also, this was back when the regular season was 11 games.
he was drafted in the 4th round of the nfl draft.
he lead the big 8 in passing yards and passing touchdowns both years he played.
he also finished seventh in rushing touchdowns one year.
he only lost four regular season games in two years. two to nebraska who won the national championship one of those years and lost in the national championship game the other. he also lost one to colorado that finished 3rd nationally. so four losses in two years and three of them were to teams that finished the bowl season ranked in the top 3.
waters over may? maybe the dumbest thing i've read on here in the last year.
very good May summary - I think most here are too young to understand how good he was
Beasley is also getting a shitload too much credit here
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
Beasley won two bowl games:
1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)
He won three.
He won two. Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001. Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000). Redshirted in 1998.
So, Beasley won two bowls and one conference championship?
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
Beasley won two bowl games:
1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)
He won three.
He won two. Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001. Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000). Redshirted in 1998.
So, Beasley won two bowls and one conference championship?
No. In 1999, K-State was the Co-North Division Champs with Nebraska, but the 'Fuskers played for the Conference Championship because they defeated us 41-15 and went on the beat Texas in the rematch for the Big XII Title. We lost to Oklahoma 27-24 in the 2000 Conference Championship Game.
Did anyone actually read what I posted. I said if he won out you could make a solid argument for Waters as 4th best.
Waters only gets most accomplished if he beats a P5 team in the bowl game - a win over Boise in the Fiesta or Marshall in Cotton won't do itHe won't play those losers, dork. If he beats Baylor on the road, he's in!
That said, winning a ten team rr league with only one loss with only 4 home games is >>> than a division title
I hope so wc08, I hope so:thumbs:
Rowdy remembers.Thanks man! I know i'm a "tuck", but i'm not an overboard tuck.
Wacky, if you were a tuck, you'd be a really good tuck.
Gonna win 'em all!
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
Pretty good qb's in both of those games.
What? You're talking about the '94 Aloha and the '01 insight? No they didn't, not at all. K-State easily had the better qb in both off those games. Now both BC and Syracuse had freakish dlinemen in Mike Mamula and Dwight Freeney, but the quarterback play for both teams in both games was abhorrent.
FWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.He also holds the record for most losses to D2 teams under Snyder.
FWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.He also holds the record for most losses to D2 teams under Snyder.
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.
I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.
I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.
:Wha:
But didn't you rank him like 5th or 6th in KSU QB history _FAN?
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.
I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.
:Wha:
I remember zacker saying how tough he was earlier this year. It would've been a better fit for his post than the Cyclone guy.
The defense didn't do much to help jake (or daniel) win that gameFWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.He also holds the record for most losses to D2 teams under Snyder.
he has to pass tho because our run game is non-existent, so those stats are a little skewed
Miller is clearly better than May to me.
yeah. clearly. :lol:
Jake Waters is my least favorite Wildcat of all time.
Jake Waters has the most all purpose yards in a season of all time.
I mean who do you dislike more?Jake Waters is my least favorite Wildcat of all time.
Really? You guys are weird.
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunno:I like most good wildcat players, too. Jake is actually the only wildcat player I can remember disliking at all. I can't wait for him to be gone.
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunno:I like most good wildcat players, too. Jake is actually the only wildcat player I can remember disliking at all. I can't wait for him to be gone.
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunnoc
Hmmmmm, so some of u tards are blaming that int. on waters?? Yeh, burton ran one hell of a route there, didn't he? Well, good news for you then. Next year, burton is your go to receiver.
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunnoc
Jake isn't the problem, IMO. The horrible run blocking, lack of a feature back, our complete lack of interest in really getting the TE involved in the passing game, and our strange insistence to leave guys with speed and athleticism (J. Jones, A. Davis) on the bench the majority of the year seem to stack the cards against him a bit.
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
I liked this year way more than any stupid Josh Freeman year. I really, really liked the Texas wins, but that was because we sucked and it was so unexpected.
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
This seems odd to me :dunno:
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
This seems odd to me :dunno:
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
This seems odd to me :dunno:
Well you get confused by a lot of things.
Does anyone really like Jake? I mean I assume most tolerated him because we beat who we were supposed to beat but I find it hard to believe that anyone was a really big Jake fan.i mean. he has some weird plays sometimes. that one tonight he audibled into and just like...stood there.
I'd rather go 7-5 with Hubes, too. Or Carson. or anyone, really.I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
This seems odd to me :dunno:
It's not that odd. He at least partially meant:
I would rather go 7-5 with Sams than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
A lot of guys really liked Sams and at least partial blame still goes to Waters that he left. It's weird, but I get it in a way.
I'm indifferent to Jake. If he didn't have Lockett he would have been terrible and nothing I saw from him made me think he cared as much as Colin or Bishop.
I'm indifferent to Jake. If he didn't have Lockett he would have been terrible and nothing I saw from him made me think he cared as much as Colin or Bishop.
That pretty well sums it up. I don't know about terrible w/o TLBL, but he just never really had "it." I felt frustrated with him more than pleased, don't know if that was gE influence or what. I hope we don't really miss him a ton next year, but we might. Can't just throw any ol' average Joe Bazooka out there.
Hmmmmm, so some of u tards are blaming that int. on waters?? Yeh, burton ran one hell of a route there, didn't he? Well, good news for you then. Next year, burton is your go to receiver.
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
I liked this year way more than any stupid Josh Freeman year. I really, really liked the Texas wins, but that was because we sucked and it was so unexpected.
some people (like rusty) are just never gonna forgive waters for being from iowa or winning the job over sams or whatever it is he did
I agree 100 percent with michigancat and I can't rationally explain it
MIR nailed it. I'd add that he doesn't seem to care as much as past ksu cats qbs
You guys don't understand why someone would see his stats as completely empty? His breaking that yardage record makes his legacy even more polarizing. He has had some high profile face planting. His best two wins were against a garbage Michigan team and this years gross OU team. That last drive is absolutely what Jake Waters was a K-State. Slow drive, a few questionable runs, holding the ball tok long, a seemingly great game saving pass that was equal parts amazing play by Lockett and fantastic pass by Waters, then a completely inexcusable interception.I don't know...I just think that it's hard to call tonight a "face plant" when Waters goes 22-27 for 300 yards. I'll give you that last year, Waters was really bad for most of the year, especially early on. But this season? Outside of Auburn (and maybe TCU), he's been objectively good. Even if you do 100% blame Waters for the interception (which, who knows), there's no way to characterize his passing night as anything other than really good.
At this point you have to be willing to ignore a lot to act like we should hold Jake Waters in any high regard with the K-State QBs that wre universally adored.
You guys don't understand why someone would see his stats as completely empty? His breaking that yardage record makes his legacy even more polarizing. He has had some high profile face planting. His best two wins were against a garbage Michigan team and this years gross OU team. That last drive is absolutely what Jake Waters was a K-State. Slow drive, a few questionable runs, holding the ball tok long, a seemingly great game saving pass that was equal parts amazing play by Lockett and fantastic pass by Waters, then a completely inexcusable interception.I don't know...I just think that it's hard to call tonight a "face plant" when Waters goes 22-27 for 300 yards. I'll give you that last year, Waters was really bad for most of the year, especially early on. But this season? Outside of Auburn (and maybe TCU), he's been objectively good. Even if you do 100% blame Waters for the interception (which, who knows), there's no way to characterize his passing night as anything other than really good.
At this point you have to be willing to ignore a lot to act like we should hold Jake Waters in any high regard with the K-State QBs that wre universally adored.
Sure, Lockett is maybe the best receiver K-State's ever had. But Lockett has also had the luxury of playing with Waters, who is good enough to put Lockett into a position where he can do his thing.
And every great K-State QB has been complimented by another great player on offense. Yes, Waters has Lockett. But Chad May had Kevin. Bishop had Mcdonald and 4 (four) running backs averaging over 4.7 ypc. Beasley had Morgan. Roberson had Sproles. Freeman had Jordy. Klein had Harper and Lockett. The catch is, that Waters and Lockett are more productive than all those guys.
Our offense is getting 6.2 yards per play this season. That's better than '12 (6.0) and way better than '11 (4.7). It's also better than any Freeman team (high of 5.7) and better than our '03 offense (6.1). The stat site i use doesn't go back further. Roberson's and Freeman's offenses each doubled the number of turnovers K-State had this season -- we average .9 TOs/game (3rd in the country).
Regarding his high profile face plants, what K-State QB hasn't had high profile face plants? Bishop had 97 Nebraska and the other one. Roberson had his share. Klein certainly had a couple.
I'm not trying to christen Waters as the best QB K-State has ever had, but our offense has been really, really good this year, and he's been a huge part of it.
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.
Bishop and Roberson had outstanding defenses, ridiculous offensive lines and reliable running backs. I miss those days.
I liked Jake and his tight spirals, but I'm also not a complete dumbass. I hope he gets drafted.
I doubt he gets drafted either. I can understand why people dislike him. I think its stupid, but i understand. most polarizing player in a while.
It will be fun to follow. :love:
It will be fun to follow. :love:
More fun than watching him in a big game
What if Jake leads the Wildcats to victory against a good team in the bowl game :surprised:
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.
_fan doesn't really have the ability to be critical of active players or coaches or coaching decisions, so he likes waters more than most. it's his one glaring weakness, which is meant as a compliment because it's his only one.
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs. Snyder's teams are all pretty much the same with regard to ability. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that style is important.I pretty much dislike his style.
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs.
Waters never had a put the team on my back doo, 2011 @Miami type game, to make us all love and embrace himhe basically beat iowa state this year. could you imagine how embarrassing that loss would have been?
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs.
one reason i don't really like him because other people think he is better than he really is. has that criticism been made?
also, because he just doesn't care much unless he's playing an iowa team. if our season was playing nothing but 12 games against iowa teams then i would put him in my top five qbs under snyder behind bishop, ell, may and collin which were all obviously way, way better.
I definitely hate his style
I would say more fans dislike him than like him. So I don't know who you're talking about, these ppl who think he's some super star.I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs.
one reason i don't really like him because other people think he is better than he really is. has that criticism been made?
also, because he just doesn't care much unless he's playing an iowa team. if our season was playing nothing but 12 games against iowa teams then i would put him in my top five qbs under snyder behind bishop, ell, may and collin which were all obviously way, way better.
I doubt he gets drafted either. I can understand why people dislike him. I think its stupid, but i understand. most polarizing player in a while.
But nobody hates him. He's just very not likeable and non-confidence-inspiring.
hate - verb
: to dislike (someone) very strongly : to feel hate for (someone)
: to dislike (something) very strongly : to find (something) very unpleasant
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OK, I forgot about Grant Gregory. I may hate him more for selfishly playing and moving Klein to WR when he should have been getting QB reps and delaying Klein's development and costing a national title.No, hate Jake more
Who is the best team Jake has beaten? Is it @ 4 loss OU this year?You love Josh Freeman, but you wanna play this game? I guess Freeman had Texas, but not much after that.
Who is the best team Jake has beaten? Is it @ 4 loss OU this year?
I'm guessing 25 TDs to 10 INTs, probably better. Waters will probably run less, but average more yards per carry. 65% completions, 3500+ yards, 9ish yards per attempt. I'm not sure why anyone would expect a regression. Snyder's quarterbacks almost always make improvements from their JR to SR seasons and usually very dramatic improvements.
Winning more games and being a legit contender for the Big 12 next year will come down to the play of the defense and special teams. Our offense finished in the Top 15 last year and I expect it to remain at least in the top 20. However, our special teams were less than spectacular (#33) and our defense was mediocre (#43). If those don't improve, then the offense won't matter much.
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT
I think it is incredible how he stacks up in this regard. The biggest x-factor, I think, is his bond with Lockett and Sexton and his ability to learn under CK. I think he did well with what he was given. It is hard to compare him to CK because CK had Hubert in the backfield.
You know how sometimes you can recognize that a girl is super attractive but you just aren't attracted to her? That's Jake Waters in a nutshell.
You know how sometimes you can recognize that a girl is super attractive but you just aren't attracted to her? That's Jake Waters in a nutshell.
Great Post, Waters was a top 3 QB in the big 12 and still leaves something to be desired. The one question to ask is if he played with the worst O-Line in Bill 2.0.
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT
god, so infuriating
OK, I forgot about Grant Gregory. I may hate him more for selfishly playing and moving Klein to WR when he should have been getting QB reps and delaying Klein's development and costing a national title.
I bet if Waters was black, this board would have loved him!
I think the "Waters is only good cause of TLBL" talking point is my favorite. :love:Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT
god, so infuriating
God, I feel the same way. Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball. Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
wacky can't stand it that Waters isn't likable.I could give two shots. It makes bbs'ing more fun. I just love hearing uneducated reasons for hating him. :love:
I think the "Waters is only good cause of TLBL" talking point is my favorite. :love:Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT
god, so infuriating
God, I feel the same way. Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball. Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
I think the "Waters is only good cause of TLBL" talking point is my favorite. :love:Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT
god, so infuriating
God, I feel the same way. Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball. Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
I don't even know why I'm asking you this but you don't think Jake was helped immensely by having Tyler as his number 1 option? I can't imagine what Matt Miller and Brian Cavanaugh would have looked like without Kevin and Tyler is absolutely better than his dad was.
I mean, yeah, he helped, I mean they helped each other a lot! Locketts numbers sky rocketed once Waters was qb.
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So Sams will most likely forever hold the highest completion percentage. Just let that soak in for a moment...
So _fan says we had a top 15 offense and a top 60 defense, and people say "Waters couldn't win big games."
I wonder if Waters would've been able to win big games with literally any one of Bishop's/Beasley's/Roberson's/Klein's defenses. For what it's worth, you could say the same thing about Freemaw.
I have to admit that I love seeing Joe Hubener come in late in games so we can run the football and throw ill-advised bombs.
It's the sack stats that I am struggling with. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that Jake/ KSU had been sacked the fewest times in the conference. That doesn't jive with a shitty O-line. It also doesn't jive with the image I have of Jake getting sacked all of the damn time. I think the frustrating part, and one of the things that makes him not like able, is that his sacks happened in plays where he had a crap load of time to throw. He never threw the ball away even though he had ample time to do so. I never expected him to make a spectacular play at that point, it isn't in his DNA.
i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.i can't see it when I use my work computer. It's fine on tapatalk.
i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.
i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.
Sorry, I use imageshack to host my images. It must be blocked at your work.