goemaw.com
General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: EMAWmeister on April 29, 2013, 10:25:30 AM
-
34 y/o NBA player Jason Collins came out to SI today. Good for him. Unfortunately he's a free agent, so this will either a.) be chalked up as a publicity stunt or b.) not do much for other gay athletes who have to worry about being accepted by teammates and fans.
But it's definitely newsworthy
-
Is his twin brother gay too? :ohno:
-
I think there had been some athletes that came out after their careers hadn't there?
-
I think there had been some athletes that came out after their careers hadn't there?
Yeah a retired basketball player, that I can remember.
-
I hope he gets signed with the Trailblazers! :crossfingers:
-
I think there had been some athletes that came out after their careers hadn't there?
Billy Bean (not that Billy Bean) and Glen Burke in baseball. Burke actually told the dodgers during his career but didn't come out publicly until after his career.
-
I mean hopefully this will allow current players to feel comfortable enough to come out, but this guy definitely stated that he wants to keep playing basketball. This would be a PR dream for an NBA team that might not have signed him otherwise.
-
good for him.
Also, obviously very important part of this story is how fast ESPN reacts.
Awful Announcing ?@awfulannouncing
40 minutes later and still nothing on SportsCenter or http://ESPN.com on Jason Collins.
Awful Announcing ?@awfulannouncing
11:44 AM SportsCenter breaks in live with Chris McKendry with quotes from Collins' Sports Illustrated piece.
-
couple weeks ago, 810am spent a decent amt of time talking about this as a hypothetical in the NFL. Said that there is a gay punter or kicker that gave an interview to someone and in that interview he said that there are several players that he knows to be gay that are all talking about coming out at the same time in the near future. They made it sound like it could be very soon too.
This may trigger that.
-
Cue the high and mighty sportswriters on twitter.
-
Cue the high and mighty sportswriters on twitter.
No joke. We get it, Gregg Doyel.
I think what is almost as important as him coming out is guys like Kobe and Baron Davis, role models to teens/younger bball fans, very publicly supporting him.
-
is soccer a major sport?
-
Update:
SI story not getting enough pub on ESPN!
Richard Deitsch ?@richarddeitsch 5m
Numbers Never Lie is debating whether Tim Tebow should get another chance at QB. CNN is talking about Jason Collins.
-
I think there had been some athletes that came out after their careers hadn't there?
Billy Bean (not that Billy Bean) and Glen Burke in baseball. Burke actually told the dodgers during his career but didn't come out publicly until after his career.
John Amaechi as well.
-
I think there had been some athletes that came out after their careers hadn't there?
Billy Bean (not that Billy Bean) and Glen Burke in baseball. Burke actually told the dodgers during his career but didn't come out publicly until after his career.
John Amaechi as well.
I loved him in Trading Places.
-
And the first dumbass athlete to make a homophobic tweet about Jason Collins goes to.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Mike Wallace!
@Wallace17_daKid All these beautiful women in the world and guys wanna mess with other guys SMH (shakin' my head
-
And the first dumbass athlete to make a homophobic tweet about Jason Collins goes to.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Mike Wallace!
@Wallace17_daKid All these beautiful women in the world and guys wanna mess with other guys SMH (shakin' my head
-
BITB is hilarious today.
-
a guy called in and said it's not appropriate for pro athletes to come out because then the players will know he is checking them out in the locker room.
-
a guy called in and said it's not appropriate for pro athletes to come out because then the players will know he is checking them out in the locker room.
That's so f*cking ridiculous.
-
a guy called in and said it's not appropriate for pro athletes to come out because then the players will know he is checking them out in the locker room.
this thread is going to quickly become a crap white midwesterners say thread
-
i hope they podcast that call or something, i laughed very hard
-
a guy called in and said it's not appropriate for pro athletes to come out because then the players will know he is checking them out in the locker room.
Is this guy implying that the problem is the other players' knowledge of being checked out, or the fact that they were being checked out?
-
Is BiTB calling any of the dumbasses out, or is he just BhiTBing them?
-
Is BiTB calling any of the dumbasses out, or is he just BhiTBing them?
he BITB'ed them. danny really wanted to call them out for being dumbasses but kind of held back.
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
-
I hope they don't let him drink out of the same waler bottles as the players. They all might catch being gay.
-
I hate the media, I really do
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
use of "GOD FORBID" is kinda ironic. pretty bad post overall.
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
use of "GOD FORBID" is kinda ironic. pretty bad post overall.
Well, god does forbid, so it is pretty appropriate
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
use of "GOD FORBID" is kinda ironic. pretty bad post overall.
I'm just sick of people like Doyel posting about how much more pissed off about Penn State they are than you, how much more accepting of homosexuals they are than you etc. The high horse that sports writers get on when sports and social issues combine is comical.
-
'meister you should say that on twitter instead of here.
-
And the first dumbass athlete to make a homophobic tweet about Jason Collins goes to.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Mike Wallace!
@Wallace17_daKid All these beautiful women in the world and guys wanna mess with other guys SMH (shakin' my head
Have fun in South Beach, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
-
ATTENTION SEXISTS: WOMEN PLAY MAJOR SPORTS AND CAN BE OPENLY GAY TOO
-
Also, Jason Collins is a chicken crap who should have come out when he was relevant if he actually gave a crap about the lgbt community. Nothing to be lauded for here. Just a bunch of self absorbed well wishers cheering on a coward to score "progressive points" with other self absorbed assholes. Pathetic.
-
i'm happy to see FSD is still his/her old self after being so thoroughly abused last week in the marathon explosion thread.
-
i bet "gay" stories will stop leading the news when conservatives stop discriminating against them.
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
use of "GOD FORBID" is kinda ironic. pretty bad post overall.
I'm just sick of people like Doyel posting about how much more pissed off about Penn State they are than you, how much more accepting of homosexuals they are than you etc. The high horse that sports writers get on when sports and social issues combine is comical.
Weird thing to get bent about. So you hate when people who are paid go give opinions actually give opinions?
-
ATTENTION SEXISTS: WOMEN PLAY MAJOR SPORTS AND CAN BE OPENLY GAY TOO
This is actually a really good point. Like it or not the WNBA does have lesbians and is the major sport for 50% of the population to play.
-
i'm happy to see FSD is still his/her old self after being so thoroughly abused last week in the marathon explosion thread.
:lol:
Man, never look a gift horse in the mouth and such
-
ATTENTION SEXISTS: WOMEN PLAY MAJOR SPORTS AND CAN BE OPENLY GAY TOO
This is actually a really good point. Like it or not the WNBA does have lesbians and is the major sport for 50% of the population to play.
It reflects poorly on me when you agree with me.
JK, edna :cheers:
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
use of "GOD FORBID" is kinda ironic. pretty bad post overall.
I'm just sick of people like Doyel posting about how much more pissed off about Penn State they are than you, how much more accepting of homosexuals they are than you etc. The high horse that sports writers get on when sports and social issues combine is comical.
Weird thing to get bent about. So you hate when people who are paid go give opinions actually give opinions?
It's not that. He acts like he is some champion of gay rights for the sole purpose of bringing praise to himself. His take was nothing revolutionary. It's a stance that many people, myself included, hold. But when he goes around flaunting it like this tweet, it's like, get the eff over yourself.
Gregg Doyel ?@GreggDoyelCBS 2h
Someone show Chris Broussard my story on Jason Collins. Learn him a thing or two on decency http://cbsprt.co/ZRSlnW
Note: I didn't watch OTL or hear what Broussard said. I just remember him writing a story about John Amaechi where he stated that while he didn't support it, it was important to treat everyone with respect. Maybe Broussard deserved it. I don't know.
-
who gives a crap
-
the WNBA is not a major sport.
-
the WNBA is not a major sport.
its the only full time pro sport for 50% of the population. You might be able to say women's soccer, but I challenge anyone to say they've actually sat down and watched a match. But the bigger point here, is that a lot of lesbians have been out in their respective professional sports without the same kind of hype. So why are women doing it 'better' than men?
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
His choice to out or his """""""""choice""""""" to be gay?
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
bigot outed
-
http://deadspin.com/espns-chris-broussard-says-being-gay-is-an-open-rebel-484708467?autoplay=1
have we discussed Chris Broussard? (probably lukes I'm sure)
-
just because it's the biggest womens sport, does not make it a major sport. this isn't bashing womens sports, it's just truth.
and lesbians are treated way different in american society than gay men. even gay haters (typical religious people, not phelps types) are more lenient on gay women than gay men.
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
:dubious:
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
bigot outed
I'm not a bigot, by definition.
I also have something to anchor by belief to. You?
-
It's pretty annoying how it is now a race for sportswriters to come out and proclaim how open and progressive they are. Especially if (GOD FORBID!!!) there is another one with a different opinion. It's very disingenuous.
use of "GOD FORBID" is kinda ironic. pretty bad post overall.
I'm just sick of people like Doyel posting about how much more pissed off about Penn State they are than you, how much more accepting of homosexuals they are than you etc. The high horse that sports writers get on when sports and social issues combine is comical.
Weird thing to get bent about. So you hate when people who are paid go give opinions actually give opinions?
It's not that. He acts like he is some champion of gay rights for the sole purpose of bringing praise to himself. His take was nothing revolutionary. It's a stance that many people, myself included, hold. But when he goes around flaunting it like this tweet, it's like, get the eff over yourself.
Gregg Doyel ?@GreggDoyelCBS 2h
Someone show Chris Broussard my story on Jason Collins. Learn him a thing or two on decency http://cbsprt.co/ZRSlnW
Note: I didn't watch OTL or hear what Broussard said. I just remember him writing a story about John Amaechi where he stated that while he didn't support it, it was important to treat everyone with respect. Maybe Broussard deserved it. I don't know.
:sdeek: that's Doyel though, its pretty easy to not be exposed to his grandstanding and it is not indicative of "the media'
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
bigot outed
I'm not a bigot, by definition.
I also have something to anchor by belief to. You?
My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
bigot outed
I'm not a bigot, by definition.
I also have something to anchor by belief to. You?
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Yeah saying someone's life is a 'choice' makes you intolerant. If by choice you mean his decision to come out, that makes you intolerant because no person should have to live in the closet because of their humanity.
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
-
My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.
THE God disagrees with your god.
-
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
I would love for you to educate me on the Bible.
-
PW, did god choose to make certain individuals gay to test them more thoroughly than the people he saw fit to make hetero?
-
In the world you believe you live in, no opinion, thought, belief, etc. can be invalidated.
Grasp this first, then realize we have no argument.
Then let's talk reality.
-
PW, did god choose to make certain individuals gay to test them more thoroughly than the people he saw fit to make hetero?
Homosexuality is a simple temptation. (God doesn't tempt, he tells us this.)
The same as an unmarried man's choice to have sex with an unmarried woman. The same as a man's choice to have sex with a child.
He can resist, with Help.
-
My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.
THE God disagrees with your god.
yeah, so back to you being an intolerant bigot
-
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
I would love for you to educate me on the Bible.
separate from the conversation, this is a pretty great post from PW.
-
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
I would love for you to educate me on the Bible.
separate from the conversation, this is a pretty great post from PW.
quite being a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
-
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
I would love for you to educate me on the Bible.
separate from the conversation, this is a pretty great post from PW.
quite being a rough ridin' respect
:jerk:
-
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
I would love for you to educate me on the Bible.
separate from the conversation, this is a pretty great post from PW.
quite being a rough ridin' respect
:jerk:
If you weren't tacitly supporting bigotry with that attempted call out, I wouldn't have a problem.
The issue is that many of the piece of scripture used to support the hate agenda are left unqualified in the bible. The abomination word actually relates to a biblical felony. Left unqualified it could be read on the same level as murder or eating shellfish.
I really hope Poet has never gotten a hummer from a girl, or watch out, he could be getting a lightning bolt up the ass soon.
-
I would love to know what you anchor your belief in, because I have a feeling its about to get biblical in here, which won't end well for you.
I would love for you to educate me on the Bible.
separate from the conversation, this is a pretty great post from PW.
quite being a rough ridin' respect
:jerk:
If you weren't tacitly supporting bigotry with that attempted call out, I wouldn't have a problem.
:rolleyes:
-
Great response bigot supporter.
"Zomg, even though I know your post is about hate, you totally burned him with an unqualified statement of bigotry. Oh man you totally got him." said 7
-
Great response bigot supporter.
"Zomg, even though I know your post is about hate, you totally burned him with an unqualified statement of bigotry. Oh man you totally got him." said 7
:eek:
:lol:
-
Bubbles and I see pretty much eye to eye on this one.
... eff :sdeek:
-
Bubbles and I see pretty much eye to eye on this one.
... eff :sdeek:
either one of us is lying or we've stumbled upon a universal truth.
-
hey guys, remember when ednksu had matured and overcome his anger problems and quit being an ignorant bad person on the board...?
yeah - me neither..
-
Homosexuality is a simple temptation. (God doesn't tempt, he tells us this.)
The same as an unmarried man's choice to have sex with an unmarried woman. The same as a man's choice to have sex with a child.
He can resist, with Help.
I mean seriously....gays on the same level as pedophelia? No way should you ever consider this kind of crap as being a good post or part of a good response. Why don't you tell me about all the good things Hitler did too while you're at it.
-
My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.
THE God disagrees with your god.
Oh you're one of THOSE people, like the Klan who use scripture as justification for burning crosses in yards of unsuspecting niggers, spics, and jews. Got it.
-
hey guys, remember when ednksu had matured and overcome his anger problems and quit being an ignorant bad person on the board...?
yeah - me neither..
there is a difference between being stupidly (on my part) angry and unfairly blaming a student athlete/young man for actions and saying that a gay person is on the same level as a pedophile and using an archaic, unqualified, translation of the bible to espouse hate and intolerance. Hating someone because of their basic humanity should be shouted down from all directions at all times. That isn't unjustified anger, that is righteous condemnation.
-
I wasn't aware of ednksu until now. He/She is funny.
-
hey guys, remember when ednksu had matured and overcome his anger problems and quit being an ignorant bad person on the board...?
yeah - me neither..
there is a difference between being stupidly (on my part) angry and unfairly blaming a student athlete/young man for actions and saying that a gay person is on the same level as a pedophile and using an archaic, unqualified, translation of the bible to espouse hate and intolerance. Hating someone because of their basic humanity should be shouted down from all directions at all times. That isn't unjustified anger, that is righteous condemnation.
PW didn't espouse any hatred. He didn't say the dude should burn in hell. He didn't say the dude should be kept from making his choice. He simply personally disagreed with the dude's choice. You may disagree with PW, half of the country may disagree with PW, but disagreement is not hatred. The words "bigot" and "hatred" get thrown around far too easily these days. Of the two of you, you were the one who displayed anger. You verbally berated PW for merely daring to hold an opinion other than your own.
Also, as for his temptation comparison.. He wasn't comparing gays to pedophiles. He also included extra-marital sex in that comparison. Do you actually think he views those three things as comparable? He was talking about temptation itself. He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.
-
Oh you're one of THOSE people, like the Klan who use scripture as justification for burning crosses in yards of unsuspecting niggers, spics, and jews. Got it.
Yep, exactly like that.
-
Collins is wrong in his choice.
This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.
-
He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.
Sex outside of marriage (between man and woman) is sex outside of marriage (between man and woman), my man/woman.
-
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.
You sure, hemmy?
I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.
-
He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.
Sex outside of marriage (between man and woman) is sex outside of marriage (between man and woman), my man/woman.
I'm aware.
-
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.
You sure, hemmy?
I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.
The bible is just a book. A boring one.
-
hey guys, remember when ednksu had matured and overcome his anger problems and quit being an ignorant bad person on the board...?
yeah - me neither..
there is a difference between being stupidly (on my part) angry and unfairly blaming a student athlete/young man for actions and saying that a gay person is on the same level as a pedophile and using an archaic, unqualified, translation of the bible to espouse hate and intolerance. Hating someone because of their basic humanity should be shouted down from all directions at all times. That isn't unjustified anger, that is righteous condemnation.
PW didn't espouse any hatred. He didn't say the dude should burn in hell. He didn't say the dude should be kept from making his choice. He simply personally disagreed with the dude's choice. You may disagree with PW, half of the country may disagree with PW, but disagreement is not hatred. The words "bigot" and "hatred" get thrown around far too easily these days. Of the two of you, you were the one who displayed anger. You verbally berated PW for merely daring to hold an opinion other than your own.
Also, as for his temptation comparison.. He wasn't comparing gays to pedophiles. He also included extra-marital sex in that comparison. Do you actually think he views those three things as comparable? He was talking about temptation itself. He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.
You're just about as wrong as he is.
When you refer to your God as "The" God and use that as a justification for why you are right, your views are mumped up and intolerant. When you make a comparison of homosexuality and pedophilia it shows you have hate in your heart. The comparison he is attempting to make isn't about temptation like you sneak a snickers on an off day of your diet. The temptation as he uses it, is turning away from what he believes is God's word and giving into the lusts and gratifications that only carnal evils can provide. Once again, a hateful position of gays. Don't try and impose your secular definitions on VERY specific words being used here. People are gay, in my opinion, because of nature and nurture, but to me that is still their humanity. It is not a choice to give into demonic lustful desires. Pedophilia is not a temptation of flesh, its a sign of someone with deep psychological issues who abuses the most vulnerable people in the world.
He can hold his opinion, but it should be recognized for what it is. A hate agenda which seeks to marginalize a large portion of the country. Put to full use that mindset has been used to justify segregation and chattel slavery. I'm not angry about it because he has not attacked any of my gay friends. But I will not stand idly by and let hate and bigotry go unchallenged. Once again, that isn't anger, that is standing up for what is right, what Jesus actually preached, and saying no, not today. Today that stone should not be cast.
-
The bible is just a book. A boring one.
Your life is meaningless.
-
PW is the wrong guy to argue with. No matter what, you lose.
-
PW is the wrong guy to argue with. No matter what, you lose.
That's what I've always thought.
-
I'm just worried there's an apocryphal scroll lost forever written in Jesus's own hand where is he all like "p.s. homosexuality is real and me and god are totally cool with it."
-
Homosexuality is a simple temptation. (God doesn't tempt, he tells us this.)
The same as an unmarried man's choice to have sex with an unmarried woman. The same as a man's choice to have sex with a child.
He can resist, with Help.
I mean seriously....gays on the same level as pedophelia? No way should you ever consider this kind of crap as being a good post or part of a good response. Why don't you tell me about all the good things Hitler did too while you're at it.
A sin is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia, adultry, lying, lusting, cheating.
I believe the point poetwarrior is making is that Collins is choosing to sin. Just as we choose to lie, cheat, steal, or have sex outside of marriage. All sins, no matter how many or how grievous separate us from God. It only takes one sin to separate us from God, that's why Jesus is needed.
correct me if i'm wrong poetwarrior.
-
The bible is just a book. A boring one.
Your life is meaningless.
Assalamu Alaykum
-
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.
You sure, hemmy?
I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.
The bible is just a book. A boring one.
Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
-
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.
You sure, hemmy?
I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.
The bible is just a book. A boring one.
Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.
hey man, be quiet, i love those videos.
-
Edna and MIR are really good at unknowingly memeing themselves.
"You're opinion is a hate agenda, and everyone should hate everyone who holds that opinion, that's called tolerance!!!"
-
My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.
My God loves all people, but hates sin. I don't believe there is such a thing as a homosexual. I believe it is a person that chooses to commit the sin of homosexuality.
-
Edna and MIR are really good at unknowingly memeing themselves.
"You're opinion is a hate agenda, and everyone should hate everyone who holds that opinion, that's called tolerance!!!"
Your rights end when they infringe on another American's rights. Your opinion holds no value when you decry the humanity of others.
edit:
This is the same ultra conservative bullshit about freedom of religion being used to defend bigotry in the law. That kind of crap should have ended with Heart of Atlanta.
-
Edna and MIR are really good at unknowingly memeing themselves.
"You're opinion is a hate agenda, and everyone should hate everyone who holds that opinion, that's called tolerance!!!"
:lol: you can do better than that, you have to do better than that
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
-
The meme has reached defcon 4, lookout! :sdeek:
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
sure hope you've never gotten a Bj from your woman(assuming you're a dude), worn mixed fabrics, eaten some seafood, or mumped before you were married.
-
Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.
You didn't hear that I didn't renew my ticket?
-
I always kinda figured PoetWarrior was a gay dood or a female. Turns out he's just a bigot. Weird.
-
Something really powerful and great happened today, and this is going to the pit.
I'm happy for Collins. I wish other people could simply be happy that he feels like a weight has been lifted and can live his life genuinely and love who he wants to love.
That's pretty great.
-
My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.
My God loves all people, but hates sin. I don't believe there is such a thing as a homosexual. I believe it is a person that chooses to commit the sin of homosexuality.
As long as we're acknowledging that is YOUR narrow ass purview and you're choosing to make poor and uninformed choices based on your willingness to remain ignorant, then fine, be a moron. I have no idea why you simps think that anyone would choose to be gay given how our society treats gays. If you read what Collins said, which I'm sure you didn't, he referred to struggling for his entire life identifying who he was.
I'd be interested to know what you think of suicide rates among teens who identify themselves as gay. Since you think it is a choice for guys to eff other guys and carry with that all it brings. What would you think of a gay virgin, still a sinner?
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
Romans is just, like, Paul's opinion, man.
-
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.
You sure, hemmy?
I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.
The bible is just a book. A boring one.
I find it pretty entertaining. Not like I base my life around it or anything but there's some pretty good stories in there. You know what else was pretty entertaining? Dianetics.
-
Something really powerful and great happened today, and this is going to the pit.
I'm happy for Collins. I wish other people could simply be happy that he feels like a weight has been lifted and can live his life genuinely and love who he wants to love.
That's pretty great.
:thumbs:
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
-
Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.
You didn't hear that I didn't renew my ticket?
That has nothing to do with what I typed and you know it. You pick and choose what's important to you in the Bible, that's okay I guess. I do too, I have no problem admitting it.
-
PW, which version of the bible is your favorite?
-
That has nothing to do with what I typed and you know it. You pick and choose what's important to you in the Bible, that's okay I guess. I do too, I have no problem admitting it.
No, this is probably the biggest difference between us. I accept it all and I believe it all and I have more knowledge and understanding of it then you, likely (sadly), will have in your lifetime. But that's why we're talking, because I choose to aim to help you.
-
Man did this thread take a turn to the pit or what.
-
PW, which version of the bible is your favorite?
The one that is faithfully translated into my language.
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
sure hope you've never gotten a Bj from your woman(assuming you're a dude), worn mixed fabrics, eaten some seafood, or mumped before you were married.
So you are quoting Leviticus. Did you know that not all of Leviticus was written to everyone? There were sins that applied only to the Jews such as eating shellfish, rabbit, and pork, etc., which were things that represented purity before the Lord. We know this because God says, "Speak to the sons of Israel saying..." He gives instructions to the Israelites, not to the rest of the nations.
Meanwhile, homosexuality is an abomination that is seen elsewhere in scripture not referring to Jews only. But to all people, all nations.
When you quote the Bible is has to be in it's proper context. You took the seafood stuff and mixed fabrics out of context. It was written specifically for Jews.
-
That has nothing to do with what I typed and you know it. You pick and choose what's important to you in the Bible, that's okay I guess. I do too, I have no problem admitting it.
No, this is probably the biggest difference between us. I accept it all and I believe it all and I have more knowledge and understanding of it then you, likely (sadly), will have in your lifetime. But that's why we're talking, because I choose to aim to help you.
Okay, so what are your qualifications. Clearly angling towards some sect of protestantism.
Also should we condemn David? He was a man of taste and distinction right? I mean it says so in the Bible.
-
You didn't hear that I didn't renew my ticket?
That has nothing to do with what I typed and you know it. You pick and choose what's important to you in the Bible, that's okay I guess. I do too, I have no problem admitting it.
Oh, and yes it actually did. I purposefully post.
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
I read 4 different versions and I don't interpret it that way. So I'm guessing you use Acts 17:26 and Rom. 9:19-24 as defenses against interracial marriage?
-
Okay, so what are your qualifications. Clearly angling towards some sect of protestantism.
Also should we condemn David? He was a man of taste and distinction right? I mean it says so in the Bible.
My qualifications are that I believe that the Bible is communication to us from the one true God.
David was a sinner, like us all. A man.
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
I asked if you and/or fun muffin would view a homosexual virgin as a sinner.
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
I asked if you and/or fun muffin would view a homosexual virgin as a sinner.
I think you are asking the wrong question.
-
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia
You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.
Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
sure hope you've never gotten a Bj from your woman(assuming you're a dude), worn mixed fabrics, eaten some seafood, or mumped before you were married.
So you are quoting Leviticus. Did you know that not all of Leviticus was written to everyone? There were sins that applied only to the Jews such as eating shellfish, rabbit, and pork, etc., which were things that represented purity before the Lord. We know this because God says, "Speak to the sons of Israel saying..." He gives instructions to the Israelites, not to the rest of the nations.
Meanwhile, homosexuality is an abomination that is seen elsewhere in scripture not referring to Jews only. But to all people, all nations.
When you quote the Bible is has to be in it's proper context. You took the seafood stuff and mixed fabrics out of context. It was written specifically for Jews.
Actually it was Deuteronomy for the fabric and more importantly....new versus old testament, how does it work?/ICP magnets
-
Okay, so what are your qualifications. Clearly angling towards some sect of protestantism.
Also should we condemn David? He was a man of taste and distinction right? I mean it says so in the Bible.
My qualifications are that I believe that the Bible is communication to us from the one true God.
David was a sinner, like us all. A man.
nice tapout.
-
Okay, so what are your qualifications. Clearly angling towards some sect of protestantism.
Also should we condemn David? He was a man of taste and distinction right? I mean it says so in the Bible.
My qualifications are that I believe that the Bible is communication to us from the one true God.
David was a sinner, like us all. A man.
nice tapout.
well it's the truth. that's why we need Jesus and the grace he offers.
-
Okay, so what are your qualifications. Clearly angling towards some sect of protestantism.
Also should we condemn David? He was a man of taste and distinction right? I mean it says so in the Bible.
My qualifications are that I believe that the Bible is communication to us from the one true God.
David was a sinner, like us all. A man.
nice tapout.
well it's the truth. that's why we need Jesus and the grace he offers.
please stop posting. that was a direct question to establish his superior qualifications. he tapped the mat.
-
please stop posting. that was a direct question to establish his superior qualifications. he tapped the mat.
I've opened the Bible and used my eyes to read it. What more are you looking for? That is the answer to your question.
-
please stop posting. that was a direct question to establish his superior qualifications. he tapped the mat.
I've opened the Bible and used my eyes to read it. What more are you looking for? That is the answer to your question.
which bible?
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
I asked if you and/or fun muffin would view a homosexual virgin as a sinner.
I'm a Catholic, but disagree with the Church on the issue of homosexuality. But from what I gathered in 12 years of private catholic schools, homosexual thoughts or tendencies are not sinful, but it's when they are acted upon.
Again, that isn't what I believe, just answering your question.
-
So you are quoting Leviticus. Did you know that not all of Leviticus was written to everyone? There were sins that applied only to the Jews such as eating shellfish, rabbit, and pork, etc., which were things that represented purity before the Lord. We know this because God says, "Speak to the sons of Israel saying..." He gives instructions to the Israelites, not to the rest of the nations.
Meanwhile, homosexuality is an abomination that is seen elsewhere in scripture not referring to Jews only. But to all people, all nations.
When you quote the Bible is has to be in it's proper context. You took the seafood stuff and mixed fabrics out of context. It was written specifically for Jews.
Actually it was Deuteronomy for the fabric and more importantly....new versus old testament, how does it work?/ICP magnets
Just because it's also in Deuteronomy doesn't mean it isn't in Leviticus.
Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law. Take the ten commandments for example. They are meant to show that man is sinful. No human being can go their entire life without breaking one of the commandments.
Since we cannot keep the law ourselves, we need Jesus to do it for us.
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
I asked if you and/or fun muffin would view a homosexual virgin as a sinner.
I think you are asking the wrong question.
So no answer to this or whether Acts 17:26 and/or Rom. 9:19-24 should be used as a defense against interracial marriage. Got it. You two would look less foolish if you just said "I don't like homosexuality and I don't have to." Using scripture as a crutch opens you up to hypocrisy. I don't care what either of you or anyone else thinks of homosexuality, I do care that people like you use Christianity as a cruch for your personal choice.
-
So you are quoting Leviticus. Did you know that not all of Leviticus was written to everyone? There were sins that applied only to the Jews such as eating shellfish, rabbit, and pork, etc., which were things that represented purity before the Lord. We know this because God says, "Speak to the sons of Israel saying..." He gives instructions to the Israelites, not to the rest of the nations.
Meanwhile, homosexuality is an abomination that is seen elsewhere in scripture not referring to Jews only. But to all people, all nations.
When you quote the Bible is has to be in it's proper context. You took the seafood stuff and mixed fabrics out of context. It was written specifically for Jews.
Actually it was Deuteronomy for the fabric and more importantly....new versus old testament, how does it work?/ICP magnets
Just because it's also in Deuteronomy doesn't mean it isn't in Leviticus.
Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law. Take the ten commandments for example. They are meant to show that man is sinful. No human being can go their entire life without breaking one of the commandments.
Since we cannot keep the law ourselves, we need Jesus to do it for us.
Depends how long you live.
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
I asked if you and/or fun muffin would view a homosexual virgin as a sinner.
I think you are asking the wrong question.
We are all sinners, by nature and choice, first of all. Second, someone who has not acted on their homosexual desires has done well, but they may have additional, equal, issues with lusting after the same sex, which Jesus says is equal to adultery. That is why homosexuality is equal to all other temptations. In your world view some temptations (pedophilia) may seem more perverted than others, but in God's view all lust and all adultery are sins outside of his intent for sex to be used in marriage between one man and one woman.
-
well it's the truth. that's why we need Jesus and the grace he offers.
please stop posting. that was a direct question to establish his superior qualifications. he tapped the mat.
he tapped the mat by showing why we all need Jesus. That is not a tap out.
Please tell me your understanding of the basic Gospel message. It will help me greatly to see where you are at.
-
whether Acts 17:26 and/or Rom. 9:19-24 should be used as a defense against interracial marriage.
I honestly don't have the slightest clue about what you're talking about here.
That is not something I believe and I don't see how those passages could be taken that way, nor have I ever heard them taken that way by anyone I believe to be right or wrong.
-
please stop posting. that was a direct question to establish his superior qualifications. he tapped the mat.
I've opened the Bible and used my eyes to read it. What more are you looking for? That is the answer to your question.
which bible?
I already answered this. I think we can all agree less repetition here, is more. OH!
-
What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear, but what is equally clear is what is said about marriage and adultery and that is where this discussion should take place.
I asked if you and/or fun muffin would view a homosexual virgin as a sinner.
I think you are asking the wrong question.
So no answer to this or whether Acts 17:26 and/or Rom. 9:19-24 should be used as a defense against interracial marriage. Got it. You two would look less foolish if you just said "I don't like homosexuality and I don't have to." Using scripture as a crutch opens you up to hypocrisy. I don't care what either of you or anyone else thinks of homosexuality, I do care that people like you use Christianity as a cruch for your personal choice.
I honestly have no idea what those verses would have to do with interracial marriage. In fact after looking at them for 30 seconds I'm quite sure the verses have nothing to do with interracial marriage.
-
whether Acts 17:26 and/or Rom. 9:19-24 should be used as a defense against interracial marriage.
I honestly don't have the slightest clue about what you're talking about here.
That is not something I believe and I don't see how those passages could be taken that way, nor have I ever heard them taken that way by anyone I believe to be right or wrong.
LOL
well it's the truth. that's why we need Jesus and the grace he offers.
please stop posting. that was a direct question to establish his superior qualifications. he tapped the mat.
he tapped the mat by showing why we all need Jesus. That is not a tap out.
Please tell me your understanding of the basic Gospel message. It will help me greatly to see where you are at.
when someone says tell me why you think you're an authority and you clam up, you look like a fool. that was the question.
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
-
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
At no point did you address the Gospel message. Do you know what the MAIN THEME of the Bible is about?
-
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
At no point did you address the Gospel message. Do you know what the MAIN THEME of the Bible is about?
OMG.....just done.....
-
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
At no point did you address the Gospel message. Do you know what the MAIN THEME of the Bible is about?
Control of people
-
Your "god" is supposed to be both benevolent and omnipotent, is he not?
-
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
At no point did you address the Gospel message. Do you know what the MAIN THEME of the Bible is about?
Control of people
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpbr459.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq318%2Fmeercy%2FGIFS%2FDenzel-Boom.gif&hash=ed8f8a274f91d2874726032dfc3d5fe1ed5097d1)
-
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
At no point did you address the Gospel message. Do you know what the MAIN THEME of the Bible is about?
OMG.....just done.....
I'm sorry I don't see the Gospel message in what you posted. Not even a little bit.
The basic Gospel message is that man is sinful. Therefore separated from God, who hates sin. God still loves people so much that He sent His Son to die on the cross for us. Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death and sin. Jesus is a gift, should we choose to accept Him. All we have to do to accept the gift of Jesus is turn from our sin (repent) and trust in Jesus. Living our lives after His example. That is the Gospel.
-
rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole
-
And as far as my opinions on the good book, I see many issues with inaccurate translations and distorted interpretations. I believe the Christ figure would want good people to work in the margins of society, as he did, and save judgement for a higher power. I believe that higher power looks to the acts of people and how they treated their fellow humans.
I see many perverted interpretations of the bible by people who wish to oppress others through the faith. MiR is directly on point. If you don't know the long history of religiously based segregation than you have NO place in this or any conversation regarding the morality of the bible and how it has been perverted to codify intolerance. The stories of Jesus blessing the prostitutes, meek, and disabled, the story of the good Samaritan (especially if you understand the historical context of Samaritans in the ancient world) are what we should let guide us.
At no point did you address the Gospel message. Do you know what the MAIN THEME of the Bible is about?
OMG.....just done.....
I'm sorry I don't see the Gospel message in what you posted. Not even a little bit.
The basic Gospel message is that man is sinful. Therefore separated from God, who hates sin. God still loves people so much that He sent His Son to die on the cross for us. Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death and sin. Jesus is a gift, should we choose to accept Him. All we have to do to accept the gift of Jesus is turn from our sin (repent) and trust in Jesus. Living our lives after His example. That is the Gospel.
No you bigot, that is what you want the bible and gospel to believe.
I believe in the works of Christ the liberal who wore sandals and hung out with whores.
Get out of here with your interpretations of Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, and Sola Scriptura.
-
I'm going to tell my gay uncle and his life partner that Poetwarrior thinks they're going to rot in hell cause of "their life choices."
-
I'm going to tell my gay uncle and his life partner that Poetwarrior thinks they're going to rot in hell cause of "their life choices."
Not if they ask for forgiveness 1 second before they die.
-
I'm going to tell my gay uncle and his life partner that Poetwarrior thinks they're going to rot in hell cause of "their life choices."
Only if they have sex, according to pw and fun muffin being gay is only about who you have sex with and nothing about who you are and who you love.
At the end of the day they are no different than people who take bible verses out of context to fit an agenda such as the evils of race mixing.
-
I'm going to tell my gay uncle and his life partner that Poetwarrior thinks they're going to rot in hell cause of "their life choices."
Not if they ask for forgiveness 1 second before they die.
Thanks. Good to know.
-
PW, you aren't wrong for believing that men and women are called to be chaste. That's a perfectly reasonable belief. But knock it off with the my god/your god bullshit.
I agree with j-dub in regards to religious/spiritual people not automatically being hateful/bigots. While their views towards homosexuality is ignorant IMO, their actions are more important. I don't think that simply disagreeing with homosexuality is necessarily hateful, provided you treat homosexuals with the love and respect you treat other humans with. Saying that you are 'against' either homosexuality or spirituality seems to be an aggressive viewpoint that gets in the way of meaningful debate.
Being progressive does not mean bullying others into believing what you believe to be an "enlightened" opinion. Being open and progressive is about accepting the differences in others without treating them as a sub-class of humans. I think both sides should be able to see that.
Now eff, lets just all get pak'd and hug it out.
-
PW, you aren't wrong for believing that men and women are called to be chaste. That's a perfectly reasonable belief. But knock it off with the my god/your god bullshit.
I agree with j-dub in regards to religious/spiritual people not automatically being hateful/bigots. While their views towards homosexuality is ignorant IMO, their actions are more important. I don't think that simply disagreeing with homosexuality is necessarily hateful, provided you treat homosexuals with the love and respect you treat other humans with. Saying that you are 'against' either homosexuality or spirituality seems to be an aggressive viewpoint that gets in the way of meaningful debate.
Being progressive does not mean bullying others into believing what you believe to be an "enlightened" opinion. Being open and progressive is about accepting the differences in others without treating them as a sub-class of humans. I think both sides should be able to see that.
Now eff, lets just all get pak'd and hug it out.
If everyone had your mindset the world would be a better place.
-
I'm going to tell my gay uncle and his life partner that Poetwarrior thinks they're going to rot in hell cause of "their life choices."
Only if they have sex, according to pw and fun muffin being gay is only about who you have sex with and nothing about who you are and who you love.
At the end of the day they are no different than people who take bible verses out of context to fit an agenda such as the evils of race mixing.
I don't think pw said anything about condemning people or rotting in hell, could be wrong
-
DNR last 80 posts, but I've long known that poetwarrior was a piece of crap
-
I'm sorry I don't see the Gospel message in what you posted. Not even a little bit.
The basic Gospel message is that man is sinful. Therefore separated from God, who hates sin. God still loves people so much that He sent His Son to die on the cross for us. Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death and sin. Jesus is a gift, should we choose to accept Him. All we have to do to accept the gift of Jesus is turn from our sin (repent) and trust in Jesus. Living our lives after His example. That is the Gospel.
No you bigot, that is what you want the bible and gospel to believe.
I believe in the works of Christ the liberal who wore sandals and hung out with whores.
Get out of here with your interpretations of Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, and Sola Scriptura.
ednksu, that's what the Bible clearly states as the Gospel message. Basic, fundamental passages such as John 3:16, Romans 6:23, 1 John 2:2, Romans 5:8 all show how Christ died to save sinners. Read those verses and tell me how that is not the Gospel. How else do you interpret those verses? There's now way of getting around it. That's what the Bible clearly states and repeats as its main theme.
And yes I believe Jesus hung out with whores. He spent tons of time with sinners so that they would turn from their sinful ways and trust in Him (Matthew 9:9-12).
I'm not sure why you brought this up, but yea I believe this happened too. Because He wanted to seek and save who was lost.
-
I'm going to tell my gay uncle and his life partner that Poetwarrior thinks they're going to rot in hell cause of "their life choices."
Only if they have sex, according to pw and fun muffin being gay is only about who you have sex with and nothing about who you are and who you love.
At the end of the day they are no different than people who take bible verses out of context to fit an agenda such as the evils of race mixing.
MIR, how on earth did you come to this conclusion when all i said was you are asking the wrong question? You are putting words in my mouth that I never said.
I will however, go on record with this statement on homosexuality:
I believe that God hates the sin of homosexuality, but does not hate the people who do this sin. In fact he loves them, he loves them so much that he sent his Son to die for them. If you are a person who struggles with opposite sex attraction, and have even committed homosexual acts I believe that you can still be Christian. But only if that person is repenting of their sin (meaning the homosexual acts) and is pleading to Jesus to save them from their sin, and change from their sinful ways.
For example, I am straight. When I lust after a woman and mastrabate that is a sin. God views my sin the exact same way as if a man lusted after a man. The sins are equal in God's eyes. Both sins separate us from God. That is why, as I've said many times already and will continue to say until all of goEMAW hears, Jesus dies on the cross for our sin. Jesus's death on the cross and resurrection reconciles us back to God. He's a free gift, accept Him and live your life for Him.
-
this thread just took a turn for the sexy
-
Dumbasses justifying their bigoted views with a magical book :lol:
-
Dumbasses justifying their bigoted views with a magical book :lol:
It truly is amazing
-
This thread makes me glad that PW rarely ever posts
-
Dumbasses justifying their bigoted views with a magical book :lol:
If you disregard the Bible then you must disregard Plato, Aristotle, and Homer.
-
Dumbasses justifying their bigoted views with a magical book :lol:
Meh. People have their beliefs and are entitled to them. I just take issue with the "this part of the Bible is the gospel and is god's word" or whatever but then make arguments that vast portions don't apply like the parts about slavery, no dinosaurs, young earth, no inter racial marriage, cutting off hands, stoning peole to death, polyester, mensturating women being unclean etc. I mean, its all in the same book which was all written by men. If you try and pick and choose parts you like to apply as some law, and exclude the crazy parts, you are a massive hypocrite.
-
The whole conversion about what individuals think about homosexuality is dumb and I'm pissed I participated in it. Like panjandrum said yesterday was historic. What individuals think about homosexuality is irrelevant. The bottom line is that civil rights afforded to heterosexuals are being afforded to homosexuals however slow its happening and those with a problem have to
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1Sgys6j1eMC32uqsndi64ikTPfk1WRStoiYXRqSzOjBW2_NCBmn0UflDe)
-
Dumbasses justifying their bigoted views with a magical book :lol:
If you disregard the Bible then you must disregard Plato, Aristotle, and Homer.
Those sound made up
-
Imagine how many people throughout history would have been openly gay had it been more socially acceptable like it is these days.
A couple presidents (and a first lady), at least 1 pope, all of ancient Greece, pretty much every historical conqueror was at the very least bisexual. It would blow every Christian's mind.
Homosexuality is natural and not a choice.
-
Dumbasses justifying their bigoted views with a magical book :lol:
If you disregard the Bible then you must disregard Plato, Aristotle, and Homer.
Do NOT bring the motherfucking Simpsons into this argument. All Homer wants to do is drink some cold Duff beer and drunkenly bang Marge (his wife.) He is emaw.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.
That being said, the "why don't these so-called tolerant people respect MY beliefs?" argument us equally hilarious and stupid.
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.
That being said, the "why don't these so-called tolerant people respect MY beliefs?" argument us equally hilarious and stupid.
So you shouldn't have to respect people's beliefs if they don't line up with yours? Or is this directed at the extremist touting off that everyone is going to hell?
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally.
If they treat people equally are they bigots?
-
Even if you feel every passage of the bible should be taken literally ( and trust me if you do you're going to go crazy trying to keep up with all the contradictions) you just need to remember that the bible itself is actually just a collection of books that a small group of people decided they where going to pick and choose some to put together to push their own agenda
-
Even if you feel every passage of the bible should be taken literally ( and trust me if you do you're going to go crazy trying to keep up with all the contradictions) you just need to remember that the bible itself is actually just a collection of books that a small group of people decided they where going to pick and choose some to put together to push their own agenda
:thumbs:
-
This thread makes me glad that PW rarely ever posts
Shut up about poetwarrior, you dipshit.
-
This thread makes me glad that PW rarely ever posts
Shut up about poetwarrior, you dipshit.
:combofan:
-
DNR last 80 posts, but I've long known that poetwarrior was a piece of crap
really? just figured that out in this thread. just glad im hip with it now.
-
Even if you feel every passage of the bible should be taken literally ( and trust me if you do you're going to go crazy trying to keep up with all the contradictions) you just need to remember that the bible itself is actually just a collection of books that a small group of people decided they where going to pick and choose some to put together to push their own agenda
This is why Catholics have a catechism, which at least applies to life more than parables about a 40 year flood.
-
DNR last 80 posts, but I've long known that poetwarrior was a piece of crap
really? just figured that out in this thread. just glad im hip with it now.
PW is a decent person, we have crushed some beers together. I think PW just got a bit lost recently and started getting a little extreme.
-
poet warrior is and always has been a truly terrible poster. it's weird that people don't already know this. also, nothing he's done in this thread should sway your opinion on his posting skills. they were actually borderline ok here.
-
This thread could use a 'noudji (sp) post.
-
Oh you're one of THOSE people, like the Klan who use scripture as justification for burning crosses in yards of unsuspecting niggers, spics, and jews. Got it.
Yep, exactly like that.
Heaven sounds super racist.
-
poet warrior is and always has been a truly terrible poster. it's weird that people don't already know this. also, nothing he's done in this thread should sway your opinion on his posting skills. they were actually borderline ok here.
and let me be clear... when i say his posting skills were ok here, i'm not talking about the message or whatever. that's obv gargage just like him.
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.
That being said, the "why don't these so-called tolerant people respect MY beliefs?" argument us equally hilarious and stupid.
So you shouldn't have to respect people's beliefs if they don't line up with yours? Or is this directed at the extremist touting off that everyone is going to hell?
no, you shouldn't have to respect everyone's beliefs. (and you really probably shouldn't.)
Bigots were just creating a strawman definition of "tolerant", and I think it is funny.
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally.
If they treat people equally are they bigots?
hmm, maybe not. but maybe?
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
-
I think its a scheme. If he was currently on a roster or under contract he would still be closeted. He chose now because he is a undesirable free agent looking for a team. Now NBA teams will feel pressured to pick him up lest they be accused of bigotry.
still a big deal tho >>>>>
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally.
If they treat people equally are they bigots?
hmm, maybe not. but maybe?
Still a bigot, just a pussy as well.
-
haven't been reading every single post in this thread because it got pretty stupid there for a minute but has anyone compared it to magic johnson yet? has magic said anything? i understand comparing hiv and homosexuality are for the most part different but their integration into the nba could be similar.
probably luked, but i like the talking point more than the stupid bible debate.
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Probably because sports are such a focal point of our society and a source of role models for many kids, all while being perceived as being unaccepting of homosexuality as a part of the inherent macho culture.
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
it's a big deal because no one has done it before because of fear of being discriminated against. it's a sign of progress in society.
-
haven't been reading every single post in this thread because it got pretty stupid there for a minute but has anyone compared it to magic johnson yet? has magic said anything? i understand comparing hiv and homosexuality are for the most part different but their integration into the nba could be similar.
probably luked, but i like the talking point more than the stupid bible debate.
Are you saying aids is for the gays?
-
How many active nba players have aids?? :ohno:
But I get what you are saying. It was a secret mysterious plague of gay men before magic made it mainstream.
-
I think its a scheme. If he was currently on a roster or under contract he would still be closeted. He chose now because he is a undesirable free agent looking for a team. Now NBA teams will feel pressured to pick him up lest they be accused of bigotry.
still a big deal tho >>>>>
I was watching Charles and Kenny and Shaq and it was pretty funny/awkward. One recurring theme was them talking about how he was a shitty player. Also Shaq kept calling the 34 year old Collins a "great kid".
-
Is that it?
-
Is that it?
YES
-
Is that it?
did you get educated on the bible?
:lol:
-
From a religious standpoint, there is a piece of the catechism that states that addiction to a certain sin is different than just committing the sin because addiction somehow takes the free will away from just a normal sin. So even if you DO believe that homosexuality is a sin, and that those people are choosing to sin, wouldn't a homosexual be addicted to that "sin"? So if you're called to pray for those struggling with their addictions, wouldn't homosexuals be included? This is why I don't get people who cite religion as the reason they hate homosexuals.
-
Who in this thread claimed they hate those that submit to homosexuality?
-
Who in this thread claimed they hate those that submit to homosexuality?
Pfft. Jfc
-
has the shower room issue been addressed? DNR the bible debate.
TIA
-
Who in this thread claimed they hate those that submit to homosexuality?
what happened with your crazy font, typeface?
-
has the shower room issue been addressed? DNR the bible debate.
TIA
What issue?
-
has the shower room issue been addressed? DNR the bible debate.
TIA
What issue?
C-gazing and boners, of course.
-
has the shower room issue been addressed? DNR the bible debate.
TIA
What issue?
The issue that he's going to stare at everyones cocks and wanna bang them. That's not fair for the straight players.
-
rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole
Every once in a while we open a window around here to the thought process of others that really disturbs me.
-
like Limestone said, c-gazing. I mean, especially in an NBA lockeroom, this Collins guy's gotta be in heaven, no?
-
rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole
Every once in a while we open a window around here to the thought process of others that really disturbs me.
The Birther Pit never gets anywhere close to this bad, though. This is sort of approaching GPC World Forum territory.
-
rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole
Every once in a while we open a window around here to the thought process of others that really disturbs me.
The Birther Pit never gets anywhere close to this bad, though. This is sort of approaching GPC World Forum territory.
Approaching, yes, but still far away. I mean, we would need Fun Muffin to invite like 6 friends and them all to agree that since there is a decent sized group of them that they could go full bigot/racist/sexist and just post away all willy nilly.
Also, BigracistWillie20 would be there :dance:'ing it up.
-
haven't been reading every single post in this thread because it got pretty stupid there for a minute but has anyone compared it to magic johnson yet? has magic said anything? i understand comparing hiv and homosexuality are for the most part different but their integration into the nba could be similar.
probably luked, but i like the talking point more than the stupid bible debate.
Are you saying aids is for the gays?
Interesting history on that and a resistance to treating and researching the disease because of the multitute of issues surroudning "GRID".
-
a little c-gazing never hurt anybody
-
I like to call it meat gazing. To each his own though.
-
I just look at their eyes and smile at them until they look up from my downtown. That moment where the realize I watched them gaze is fun.
-
We really could have a c-gazing master thread.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.
Please understand that I don't hate homosexuals. I wouldn't care if my neighbor is gay.
But, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin and the solution to the problem of sin (the breaking of God's Law, 1 John 3:4) is found only in Jesus. He is the Lord, the Savior, the risen King. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14) and he died to save sinners. We are all sinners and we need salvation (Eph. 2:8-9) that is found in receiving Christ (John 1:12-13).
Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that I won't love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross and forsaken.
This part is for everyone to read, but especially any other Christians on here
We Christians should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as we would for any other person trapped in any other sin. This is not an issue of arrogance or judgmentalism. We don't want anyone to be lost due to their sin and that includes gays, lesbians, and transgenders.
The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he (or she) is in rebellion. Therefore, we Christians should show homosexuals the same dignity as anyone else with whom we come in contact. Don't injure them. Don't hate them. Don't judge them. Inform them that freedom and forgiveness are found in Jesus. Let them know that God loves us and died for us so that we might be delivered from the consequences of our sin.
But, this does not mean that you are to approve of what they do. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of rationality, godliness, and biblical truth. Instead, stand firm in the word that God has revealed and patiently love him/her biblically, and pray for their salvation. Be kind to them. Be loving. And, when appropriate, tell them the gospel.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?
I believe it is natural, however, it is sinful.
It's natural for a man and a woman to have sex. They can create life. It's not natural for 2 bros (or women) to have sex because our species would become extinct.
Also, I appreciate Limestone's question asking ability.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?
I believe it is natural, however, it is sinful.
It's natural for a man and a woman to have sex. They can create life. It's not natural for 2 bros (or women) to have sex because our species would become extinct.
Also, I appreciate Limestone's question asking ability.
So, anything that can create life is natural?
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!
Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?
I believe it is natural, however, it is sinful.
It's natural for a man and a woman to have sex. They can create life. It's not natural for 2 bros (or women) to have sex because our species would become extinct.
Also, I appreciate Limestone's question asking ability.
Lots of things about sex are unnatural. Love is a natural human emotion. Why do you love the people you love? Probably for the same reasons homosexuals love the people they love.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!
Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.
I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection. But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!
Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.
I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection. But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.
it makes them gay, not infertile. And there are theories on the benefits of homosexuality to the gene pool.
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Evolutionary-Mystery-of/135762/
-
I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.
Please understand that I don't hate homosexuals. I wouldn't care if my neighbor is gay.
But, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin and the solution to the problem of sin (the breaking of God's Law, 1 John 3:4) is found only in Jesus. He is the Lord, the Savior, the risen King. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14) and he died to save sinners. We are all sinners and we need salvation (Eph. 2:8-9) that is found in receiving Christ (John 1:12-13).
Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that I won't love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross and forsaken.
This part is for everyone to read, but especially any other Christians on here
We Christians should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as we would for any other person trapped in any other sin. This is not an issue of arrogance or judgmentalism. We don't want anyone to be lost due to their sin and that includes gays, lesbians, and transgenders.
The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he (or she) is in rebellion. Therefore, we Christians should show homosexuals the same dignity as anyone else with whom we come in contact. Don't injure them. Don't hate them. Don't judge them. Inform them that freedom and forgiveness are found in Jesus. Let them know that God loves us and died for us so that we might be delivered from the consequences of our sin.
But, this does not mean that you are to approve of what they do. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of rationality, godliness, and biblical truth. Instead, stand firm in the word that God has revealed and patiently love him/her biblically, and pray for their salvation. Be kind to them. Be loving. And, when appropriate, tell them the gospel.
stop copying and pasting from that dumb website
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Probably because sports are such a focal point of our society and a source of role models for many kids, all while being perceived as being unaccepting of homosexuality as a part of the inherent macho culture.
Well said, 8man.
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!
Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.
I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection. But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.
How do you feel about homosexuality occurring naturally in nature?
-
Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.
Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.
I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct. 2 bros can't make a baby. Our bodies aren't designed that way.
I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!
Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.
I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection. But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.
BROWNBACK :shakesfist: :shakesfist: :shakesfist:
-
Guys, I'm not sure where this fits since apparently you can't choose who you eff, you're just born that way, but what about the Bis?
I know these guys were both weird as crap, but Dennis Rodman and Jarrod Cooper were both openly bisexual and played major MENS sports. Why don't they get any love? Is bi not gay enough?
Also, Matt Dougherty has been openly gay forever and has been involved in basketball for just as long. He should get some respect too. #equality
-
Pretty sure Cooper was gay, not bisexual. And I don't think that was ever public, but I don't really know, I was like 10 when he played here.
-
I don't think Dennis Rodman or Jarrod Cooper are openly bisexual. (for reals)
-
I don't think Dennis Rodman or Jarrod Cooper are openly bisexual. (for reals)
You should have stopped at the word "think". Just because they didn't hold a press conference "to announce to the world!" doesn't mean their sexual behavior wasn't open and notorious.
Also, Coop banged Christina Aguilera (and 2/3 of campus) for a brief period so he was definitely into chicks as well.
-
Just because they didn't hold a press conference "to announce to the world!" doesn't mean their sexual behavior wasn't open and notorious.
yes it does
-
Pretty sure Cooper was gay, not bisexual. And I don't think that was ever public, but I don't really know, I was like 10 when he played here.
He was "dating" a family friend's daughter for a while during his time here, I was 12 and had a crush on her. Thanks Coop :frown:
-
Coop banged my upstairs neighbor for a good 6mo jr year.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
-
Just because they didn't hold a press conference "to announce to the world!" doesn't mean their sexual behavior wasn't open and notorious.
yes it does
The lgbt community is going to be peeved when they find out you have to hold a press conference to be "out"
-
Just because they didn't hold a press conference "to announce to the world!" doesn't mean their sexual behavior wasn't open and notorious.
yes it does
The lgbt community is going to be peeved when they find out you have to hold a press conference to be "out"
eventually they won't have to. But for now, with people in the public eye, you pretty much have to discuss it publicly for it to count
-
i think think of sexuality kind of like i think of hand dominance. vast majority are right handed (straight) a few are ambidextrous (bi) and some are left (gay/lesbian). being anything but right handed is probably harder (left handed scissors? gmafb). also, i never recall choosing to be right handed and i never remember choosing to be attracted to females so i think you're just predisposed one way or the other.
i also think that anyone who runs around caring about something as insignificant as what hand someone chooses to write with is weird just like i think someone who cares about whether some guy wants to make out with another guy is weird. like, you're the rough ridin' weirdo in the situation bro. running around caring deeply about things like what hand someone wants to throw a ball with and whether or not some woman wants to grab the boobs of another woman vs the balls of some guy or whatever. just such a weird thing to care so much about i guess.
-
stop copying and pasting from that dumb website
it succinctly summarizes my beliefs. :dunno:
-
rd, did you intentional use the scissors analogy because thats one way that lesbians party?
-
Basically Jason Collins is the Ned Flanders of gays, selling left handed t-shirts to anyone that will buy one
-
stop copying and pasting from that dumb website
it succinctly summarizes my beliefs. :dunno:
At least quote it instead of trying to pass it off as your own words
-
stop copying and pasting from that dumb website
it succinctly summarizes my beliefs. :dunno:
Thief!!!!!
-
stop copying and pasting from that dumb website
it succinctly summarizes my beliefs. :dunno:
At least quote it instead of trying to pass it off as your own words
You're just nitpicking now, i quoted it every time I used it in the other thread and all of goEMAW got angry.
if there is something you don't like in what i posted, then by all means attack that.
-
Science, and crap.
-
Basically Jason Collins is the Ned Flanders of gays, selling left handed t-shirts to anyone that will buy one
:flush: :flush: :flush:
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. I doubt I agree with your views on this topic overall)
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Fe8b96fd53edf8a62df4ab11759289216%2Ftumblr_mlbbbqgSus1r88u00o1_400.gif&hash=35df4c055b87b1639e799579db70965d7188b55e)
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Fe8b96fd53edf8a62df4ab11759289216%2Ftumblr_mlbbbqgSus1r88u00o1_400.gif&hash=35df4c055b87b1639e799579db70965d7188b55e)
What the.......
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Fe8b96fd53edf8a62df4ab11759289216%2Ftumblr_mlbbbqgSus1r88u00o1_400.gif&hash=35df4c055b87b1639e799579db70965d7188b55e)
well....
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
-
Just really surprised Peyton Manning hasn't come out yet more than anything.
-
Just really surprised Peyton Manning hasn't come out yet more than anything.
orly?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/peyton-manning-comes-out-as-gay-for-football,32037/
-
Just really surprised Peyton Manning hasn't come out yet more than anything.
orly?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/peyton-manning-comes-out-as-gay-for-football,32037/
:sdeek: hadnt seen that. lolz
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
He is much more likely. The NBA as a league has prided it self in trying to be progressive. Stern will put pressure on owners to sign him. IMO.
-
All this "hero" talk is pretty stupid if you ask me. Good for him, but a hero? Nah
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
He is much more likely. The NBA as a league has prided it self in trying to be progressive. Stern will put pressure on owners to sign him. IMO.
There's no way of knowing. But I do know that assuming he did this just for publicity is pretty douchey.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
He is much more likely. The NBA as a league has prided it self in trying to be progressive. Stern will put pressure on owners to sign him. IMO.
There's no way of knowing. But I do know that assuming he did this just for publicity is pretty douchey.
I agree there is no way of knowing, I also agree with you, it is douchey for thinking publicity was a reason he did it (I think there are multiple reasons why he did it), but at the same time I put myself in said douchey category.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
He is much more likely. The NBA as a league has prided it self in trying to be progressive. Stern will put pressure on owners to sign him. IMO.
assuming he did this just for publicity is pretty douchey.
More cynical than douchey
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
I could see the Lakers signing him, the are going to suck out loud if they don't amnesty Kobe (they won't) and could use any positive pub they can get to distract from the abomination on the floor.
-
This guy is going to be rich as eff forever. Book deals, appearance fees, etc. for life.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
No, but if the decision came down to him vs another 3rd string center of equal value, I bet he gets the nod. Signing a player who is openly gay and considered by many to be a pioneer is great publicity for a team.
-
This guy is going to be rich as eff forever. Book deals, appearance fees, etc. for life.
doubt it
-
This guy is going to be rich as eff forever. Book deals, appearance fees, etc. for life.
doubt it
like Andre Rison rich?
-
This guy is going to be rich as eff forever. Book deals, appearance fees, etc. for life.
What would his book be about? Other than the NBA locker room descriptos, of course.
-
there is an incredible amount of social media butthurt over the president calling him and people saying he was brave.
-
there is an incredible amount of social media butthurt over the president calling him and people saying he was brave.
"In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness" Robert Griffin III
this has to be what RGIII was talking about.
-
there is an incredible amount of social media butthurt over the president calling him and people saying he was brave.
"In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness" Robert Griffin III
this has to be what RGIII was talking about.
has to be
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
No, but if the decision came down to him vs another 3rd string center of equal value, I bet he gets the nod. Signing a player who is openly gay and considered by many to be a pioneer is great publicity for a team.
I'm not sure that the positive publicity outweighs the potential media shitstorm when one of his homophobe teammates voices his opinion on twitter. If he finds a team, it will be because he is the best option for that team on the court. No NBA team is going to waste a salary and a roster spot on this guy if they have another option that is better.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
No, but if the decision came down to him vs another 3rd string center of equal value, I bet he gets the nod. Signing a player who is openly gay and considered by many to be a pioneer is great publicity for a team.
I'm not sure that the positive publicity outweighs the potential media shitstorm when one of his homophobe teammates voices his opinion on twitter. If he finds a team, it will be because he is the best option for that team on the court. No NBA team is going to waste a salary and a roster spot on this guy if they have another option that is better.
-
there is an incredible amount of social media butthurt over the president calling him and people saying he was brave.
"In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness" Robert Griffin III
this has to be what RGIII was talking about.
has to be
I believe that particular butthurt maybe related to this http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-council-may-push-washington-redskins-into-washington-redtails/2013/04/30/456cb72c-b1a7-11e2-bbf2-a6f9e9d79e19_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-council-may-push-washington-redskins-into-washington-redtails/2013/04/30/456cb72c-b1a7-11e2-bbf2-a6f9e9d79e19_story.html)
-
Can you imagine the outrage and vitriol if this ended up being a hoax? OMG, the left would end up making the Klan look like pacifists.
:crossfingers:
Also, lol at the michicat and Dave with RGIII comments
-
Can you imagine the outrage and vitriol if this ended up being a hoax? OMG, the left would end up making the Klan look like pacifists.
:crossfingers:
Also, lol at the michicat and Dave with RGIII comments
lol
-
I wonder who will be the first one I've heard of.
-
(because I agree with Collins likely using this for major publicity. )
you think he's not really gay?
He is probably gay, but (no pun) he will probably be on a team next year for sure now.
I don't think he's more or less likely than he would otherwise. The NBA doesn't hand out roster spots for novelty.
He is much more likely. The NBA as a league has prided it self in trying to be progressive. Stern will put pressure on owners to sign him. IMO.
assuming he did this just for publicity is pretty douchey.
More cynical than douchey
No its douchey, maybe even more than that. This was the biggest decision of his life and not only does saying he was doing this for publicity trivialize what he struggled with his entire life, but its also calling him a liar. Very douchey.
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Talk to those gay people about it if you want to understand why its a big deal. Human rights advancement can never be oversold.
-
Is that it?
did you get educated on the bible?
:lol:
Just on certain parts, like a judgmental moral buffet. Hey pw and muffin, how are the unshorn beards and the uncut hair going? Shouldn't be itchy anymore but I'm guessing all that hair stinks, literally and figuratively, in the summer
-
Collins doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would do something like this for personal gain, notoriety or anything of that kind.
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Talk to those gay people about it if you want to understand why its a big deal. Human rights advancement can never be oversold.
How does this advance human rights?
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Talk to those gay people about it if you want to understand why its a big deal. Human rights advancement can never be oversold.
How does this advance human rights?
It makes it far easier for future gay athletes to be out of the closet. Honestly, what Collins did took some serious balls. It will be much easier for the rest.
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Talk to those gay people about it if you want to understand why its a big deal. Human rights advancement can never be oversold.
How does this advance human rights?
It makes it far easier for future gay athletes to be out of the closet. Honestly, what Collins did took some serious balls. It will be much easier for the rest.
Right. But how does that advance human rights?
-
The more common it is, the more accepted it will be. The more accepted it is, the more equality members of the gay community will enjoy. Equality will lead to gays having the same rights as heteros.
Maybe you are playing the line that inheritance, benefits, insurance, marriage, etc aren't "human" rights :dunno:
-
This is a fantastic thread.
But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal.
I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life. Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Talk to those gay people about it if you want to understand why its a big deal. Human rights advancement can never be oversold.
How does this advance human rights?
It makes it far easier for future gay athletes to be out of the closet. Honestly, what Collins did took some serious balls. It will be much easier for the rest.
Right. But how does that advance human rights?
The ability to be openly gay without fear of persecution is a human right. (Or it should be).
-
Alrighty.
-
It doesn't.
The term "human rights" in this country is as nebulous as "fair share" or "equality". It means nothing other than to the person using it. It is a talking point that self aggrandising, shallow, superficial nitwits dwell over when they arent busy telling each other how wonderful they are.
This thread has outed many of these types of useless people.
The guy is gay, wgaf. It's ironic that the people who want everyone treated equally spend they're entire lives categoricalizing people for the purpose of treating them differently. But if not for these people words like imbecile would have no meaningp
-
well that lived up to expectations
-
It doesn't.
The term "human rights" in this country is as nebulous as "fair share" or "equality". It means nothing other than to the person using it. It is a talking point that self aggrandising, shallow, superficial nitwits dwell over when they arent busy telling each other how wonderful they are.
This thread has outed many of these types of useless people.
The guy is gay, wgaf. It's ironic that the people who want everyone treated equally spend they're entire lives categoricalizing people for the purpose of treating them differently. But if not for these people words like imbecile would have no meaningp
You are wonderful, fake sugar dick.
-
What are you two so afraid of?
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi654.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu268%2Fcreativecrete%2FCollins.gif&hash=ece1cfa7829c39d689b067bee37f814c3a4b29c5)
-
someone should change FSD's title to "a white midwesterner talking point"
-
Karl Welzein?@DadBoner 20h
There's tons of NBA guys wastin' dough on random kids they made. Heard that Shawn Kemp has like 17. If he was into dudes, he'd be loaded.
-
It doesn't.
The term "human rights" in this country is as nebulous as "fair share" or "equality". It means nothing other than to the person using it. It is a talking point that self aggrandising, shallow, superficial nitwits dwell over when they arent busy telling each other how wonderful they are.
This thread has outed many of these types of useless people.
The guy is gay, wgaf. It's ironic that the people who want everyone treated equally spend they're entire lives categoricalizing people for the purpose of treating them differently. But if not for these people words like imbecile would have no meaningp
This is amazing.
Also what are "aggrandising" and "categoricalizing?" I think one is a misspelling, not a typo, and one is a completely made-up word; pretty glaring errors made in the course of calling people nitwits and imbeciles.
-
Present participle (<-- not made up), nitwit and/or imbecile.
Although categoricalizing appears to be an autocorrect from categorizing, it still works.
Usually the grammar/spell check police (one of the lowest forms of bbs'ing) are at least versed in grammar and spelling, and a 200+ word vocabulary. SMH, mir.
-
:lol:
-
i guarantee that FSD rocks a flannel/overalls combo at least three times a week
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
-
Present participle (<-- not made up), nitwit and/or imbecile.
Although categoricalizing appears to be an autocorrect from categorizing, it still works.
Usually the grammar/spell check police (one of the lowest forms of bbs'ing) are at least versed in grammar and spelling, and a 200+ word vocabulary. SMH, mir.
Wait, are you saying your software auto corrected a correct word to a made up one? :confused:
-
Will use "categoricalizing" in a sentence tonight to see if I get called out for being a dumbass
-
A google search of "categoricalizing" has this thread as its #2 result. Grats FSD, the joke is on the rest of us imbeciles and nitwits. Lets shoot for #1.
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
-
That's because it wasn't even an after thought back then you hateful pos.
-
That's because it wasn't even an after thought back then you hateful pos.
Reading this then looking at your avatar made me :grin:
-
That's because it wasn't even an after thought back then you hateful pos.
Interracial relationships are a beautiful thing. Not sure where the hate is coming from. MIR was the one who brought it up. And all I told him was that there is no evidence in the Bible against interracial relationships. I am very much for interracial relationships.
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
There's no evidence in the bible of condemnation of homosexuality either but, like with interracial relationships, hell even people of different races interacting, some cite scripture to defend their personal stances.
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
-
A google search of "categoricalizing" has this thread as its #2 result. Grats FSD, the joke is on the rest of us imbeciles and nitwits. Lets shoot for #1.
I'm just pleased to have taught you 1 and maybe 2 new words. #progress
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
There's no evidence in the bible of condemnation of homosexuality either but, like with interracial relationships, hell even people of different races interacting, some cite scripture to defend their personal stances.
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
This verse is follow up to Romans 1:26-28 - "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).
Genesis 1:28, Homosexuality cannot carry out God's command to subdue the earth.
-
Jesus rough ridin' Christ
-
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
Yes the Bible says that. However, Jesus came to fulfill the law. The whole point of laws like this and the ten commandments is to show that man is sinful, and to show to humans our need for a savior. But people who believe in Jesus are no longer under the law, but under grace. This beard shaving law is not mentioned in the new testament, unlike homosexuality which is condemned in both testaments.
-
Steve Dave, MIR, everyone, feel free to explain how after reading those passages that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality.
I would change my position if you provided biblical evidence for me to change.
Your friend,
fun muffin
-
What makes the Bible so great is that you can pick and choose the parts you want to follow and use the rest to persecute people different from you.
-
What makes the Bible so great is that you can pick and choose the parts you want to follow and use the rest to persecute people different from you.
Homosexuality is mentioned multiple times in both testaments.
Beard trimming gets one verse, in the old testament which Jesus has died for. I think goEMAW doesn't understand the grace component of what Jesus has done for us.
-
Homosexuality is mentioned multiple times in both testaments.
Beard trimming gets one verse, in the old testament which Jesus has died for. I think goEMAW doesn't understand the grace component of what Jesus has done for us.
More on this: In the Old Testament, keeping The Law was necessary in order to be right with God, but not so in the New Testament. This is because Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of keeping The Law, and we are right with God by faith in what Christ did, not what we do (Rom. 4:1-5; 5:1). So, God does change his procedures between the Old and New Testament, but he does so based upon the work of Christ. The same work does not invalidate the condemnation of homosexuality. Because the new testament still condemns homosexuality in the passages i have posted.
(part of that was from that website michigancat)
-
What makes the Bible so great is that you can pick and choose the parts you want to follow and use the rest to persecute people different from you.
Homosexuality is mentioned multiple times in both testaments.
Beard trimming gets one verse, in the old testament which Jesus has died for. I think goEMAW doesn't understand the grace component of what Jesus has done for us.
like I was saying....
-
What makes the Bible so great is that you can pick and choose the parts you want to follow and use the rest to persecute people different from you.
Homosexuality is mentioned multiple times in both testaments.
Beard trimming gets one verse, in the old testament which Jesus has died for. I think goEMAW doesn't understand the grace component of what Jesus has done for us.
like I was saying....
see post above.
-
Why do people still, in 2013, care about what this work of hateful, exclusive fiction says?
-
Why do people still, in 2013, care about what this work of hateful, exclusive fiction says?
It justifies/validates one's internal fear, bigotry, hate, etc. In short, it is a convenience that keeps ppl from having to understand themselves and those around them.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
-
Why do people still, in 2013, care about what this work of hateful, exclusive fiction says?
The Bible is anything but hateful. If you give me the time, and if you truly listen without hardening heart against what I have to say then hopefully, you will be able to experience and know the joy that I have. I have never in my lifetime hated or persecuted a gay person, and I will never do such a despicable thing. You all say that I have, but I haven't. I genuinely care for people, and want them to know that joy that I have.
-
Fan muffin would have fit in fantastic with the Romans
-
being gay is wrong
source: bible
-
Pw would have been with the temple priests condemning jesus
-
Fun muffin, I think you probably lead a pretty good life, and if it weren't for your choice to practice religiousality I would accept you as you are. I will send thoughts your way so that hopefully you will see the error in your ways and give them up to experience temporary bliss
-
being gay is wrong
source: bible
Don't ever shave
source: bible
-
I could definitely live by a code that didn't require me to shave.
-
I could definitely live by a code that didn't require me to shave.
So what is stopping you? Get your bible on, bruh.
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
There's no evidence in the bible of condemnation of homosexuality either but, like with interracial relationships, hell even people of different races interacting, some cite scripture to defend their personal stances.
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
This verse is follow up to Romans 1:26-28 - "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).
Genesis 1:28, Homosexuality cannot carry out God's command to subdue the earth.
I'm not sure who's version of the bible you're using. But first of all the word homosexual was not used before 1892 so God didn't say anything about "homosexuals." The word homosexual does not appear in King James version of the bible, the most widely accepted version. So whatever you are using is some perverse interpretation. For instance in your first verse, the word that appears in the KJV is "effeminate." There are effeminate heterosexuals, so I'm not sure how effeminate equals homosexual.
Also every version of Genesis 1:28 reads: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. It's actually one of the most quoted verses in the bible, I'm not sure how you thought you could pass off some Westboro Baptist Church interpretation as real, shame on you fun muffin.
-
A google search of "categoricalizing" has this thread as its #2 result. Grats FSD, the joke is on the rest of us imbeciles and nitwits. Lets shoot for #1.
I'm just pleased to have taught you 1 and maybe 2 new words. #progress
Don't undersell yourself, I have a quite limited vocabulary to begin with, apparently you taught the entire English speaking world a new word. Grats :thumbsup:
-
So pick and choose the parts you like, make up the others?
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
There's no evidence in the bible of condemnation of homosexuality either but, like with interracial relationships, hell even people of different races interacting, some cite scripture to defend their personal stances.
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
This verse is follow up to Romans 1:26-28 - "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).
Genesis 1:28, Homosexuality cannot carry out God's command to subdue the earth.
I'm not sure who's version of the bible you're using. But first of all the word homosexual was not used before 1892 so God didn't say anything about "homosexuals." The word homosexual does not appear in King James version of the bible, the most widely accepted version. So whatever you are using is some perverse interpretation. For instance in your first verse, the word that appears in the KJV is "effeminate." There are effeminate heterosexuals, so I'm not sure how effeminate equals homosexual.
Also every version of Genesis 1:28 reads: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. It's actually one of the most quoted verses in the bible, I'm not sure how you thought you could pass off some Westboro Baptist Church interpretation as real, shame on you fun muffin.
Sorry for the miscommunication on Genesis 1:28. I was merely saying how homosexuality can't fulfill the command of that verse. Of course I don't believe that's what the verse says. My Bible (ESV) says essentially what yours says. Also ESV is a highly regarded Bible and commonly used worldwide.
And since you like this version, here is King James for Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Seems to me that the King James version agrees with the ESV that burning with lust toward a member of the same sex is frowned upon by the Bible.
I don't go to Westboro, I go to your standard Evangelical church that is common in this country.
-
Make up a part where Jesus is an eagle please.
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
There's no evidence in the bible of condemnation of homosexuality either but, like with interracial relationships, hell even people of different races interacting, some cite scripture to defend their personal stances.
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
This verse is follow up to Romans 1:26-28 - "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).
Genesis 1:28, Homosexuality cannot carry out God's command to subdue the earth.
I'm not sure who's version of the bible you're using. But first of all the word homosexual was not used before 1892 so God didn't say anything about "homosexuals." The word homosexual does not appear in King James version of the bible, the most widely accepted version. So whatever you are using is some perverse interpretation. For instance in your first verse, the word that appears in the KJV is "effeminate." There are effeminate heterosexuals, so I'm not sure how effeminate equals homosexual.
Also every version of Genesis 1:28 reads: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. It's actually one of the most quoted verses in the bible, I'm not sure how you thought you could pass off some Westboro Baptist Church interpretation as real, shame on you fun muffin.
Sorry for the miscommunication on Genesis 1:28. I was merely saying how homosexuality can't fulfill the command of that verse. Of course I don't believe that's what the verse says. My Bible (ESV) says essentially what yours says. Also ESV is a highly regarded Bible and commonly used worldwide.
And since you like this version, here is King James for Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Seems to me that the King James version agrees with the ESV that burning with lust toward a member of the same sex is frowned upon by the Bible.
I don't go to Westboro, I go to your standard Evangelical church that is common in this country.
Miscommunication = overt lie
-
hey muffin and PW how do you guys feel about OWNING SLAVES!!!!!11!!!!11!!!11
I don't think they will answer questions of this nature. I asked them about interracial relationships and shaving their beards and I've yet to hear a response.
Both Poetwarrior and I said there is no evidence in the Bible that prohibits interracial relationships.
There's no evidence in the bible of condemnation of homosexuality either but, like with interracial relationships, hell even people of different races interacting, some cite scripture to defend their personal stances.
The bible absolutely states that you cannot shave your beard but I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you and the bible scholar poet warrior from doing so.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
This verse is follow up to Romans 1:26-28 - "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).
Genesis 1:28, Homosexuality cannot carry out God's command to subdue the earth.
I'm not sure who's version of the bible you're using. But first of all the word homosexual was not used before 1892 so God didn't say anything about "homosexuals." The word homosexual does not appear in King James version of the bible, the most widely accepted version. So whatever you are using is some perverse interpretation. For instance in your first verse, the word that appears in the KJV is "effeminate." There are effeminate heterosexuals, so I'm not sure how effeminate equals homosexual.
Also every version of Genesis 1:28 reads: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. It's actually one of the most quoted verses in the bible, I'm not sure how you thought you could pass off some Westboro Baptist Church interpretation as real, shame on you fun muffin.
Sorry for the miscommunication on Genesis 1:28. I was merely saying how homosexuality can't fulfill the command of that verse. Of course I don't believe that's what the verse says. My Bible (ESV) says essentially what yours says. Also ESV is a highly regarded Bible and commonly used worldwide.
And since you like this version, here is King James for Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Seems to me that the King James version agrees with the ESV that burning with lust toward a member of the same sex is frowned upon by the Bible.
I don't go to Westboro, I go to your standard Evangelical church that is common in this country.
Miscommunication = overt lie
if you are so smart limestone, tell me how homosexuality, which can't make babies, fulfills the command to multiply and subdue the earth. it's common sense.
-
Infertile people are going to hell.
Source: the bible
-
Common sense = stretching, twisting, manipulating the bible until it says I can hate gays
-
fertile people who can't get a date: hell
source: bible
-
Priests who never marry or have kids? Hell
Source = a part of the bible I choose
-
Infertile people are going to hell.
Source: the bible
ha! you crack me up limestone,
the only people that go to hell, are the ones who don't repent of their sin and trust in Jesus.
-
Infertile people are going to hell.
Source: the bible
ha! you crack me up limestone,
the only people that go to hell, are the ones who don't repent of their sin and trust in Jesus.
So having uterine cancer and having a hysterectomy is a sin that requires repentance
Source: the good book
-
i have asked several times for someone to tell me how the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality, and no one has.
then I asked limestone how homosexuality can multiply and fulfill the earth and..................
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
wait for it
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.crickets
-
So if a gay guy has a kid he is clear?
Can you lie about a bible verse again?
-
The earth has been subdued for quite some time now. Phase II: ruin it and keep hating gays.
-
Send me the verse that says homosexuality is a sin.
Chirp chirp
-
So if a gay guy has a kid he is clear?
Can you lie about a bible verse again?
i'm using common sense. if everyone were gay, the human race would die off. very quickly. therefore, the world cannot me subdued.
-
Send me the verse that says homosexuality is a sin.
Chirp chirp
1 Cor. 6:9, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." (NASB, ESV, NIV, )
1 Tim. 1:10, "realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." (NASB, ESV)
-
So if a gay guy has a kid he is clear?
Can you lie about a bible verse again?
i'm using common sense. if everyone were gay, the human race would die off. very quickly. therefore, the world cannot me subdued.
Well that doesn't mean it's a sin at all. Not even close. Is that really your lone verse?
That's pretty shaky ground to base that much bigotry
-
i posted multiple verses on this throughout the thread. there are two more above your post.
-
They are made up verses champ. You are adding words to fit your agenda
-
Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
-
also the new testament was written in Greek. feel free to do a word study on the word homosexual in the ESV, NASB, or NIV bibles. You probably won't like what you find.
for those who don't know, a word study is understanding how our English bibles have been transcribed from the Greek.
-
Why do you want so badly for the bible to say being gay is a sin when it obviously doesn't? I mean, why try and force it?
-
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:26-28
-
Why do you want so badly for the bible to say being gay is a sin when it obviously doesn't? I mean, why try and force it?
Because the Bible clearly condemns it, but by all means, feel free to stick your head in the sand.
-
Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Limestone, do you even know what abusers of themselves with mankind is?
-
I mean, you desperately want it to say what just doesn't. You don't need an excuse to hate gay people so why try so hard to find one?
-
Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Limestone, do you even know what abusers of themselves with mankind is?
I bet you think you do, don't you?
-
Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Limestone, do you even know what abusers of themselves with mankind is?
this will help you find your answer. http://archive.org/stream/exhaustiveconcor1890stro#page/n11/mode/2up (http://archive.org/stream/exhaustiveconcor1890stro#page/n11/mode/2up)
now time for you to do your own homework and do the Greek word study yourself.
-
Do you think god likes it when you lie about verses on here? I think he looks you as a pretty serious sinner. And you don't even know it so you can repent. I'll pray for you.
-
I mean, you desperately want it to say what just doesn't. You don't need an excuse to hate gay people so why try so hard to find one?
I don't hate gay people. I want them to turn from their sin and have the same joyous relationship with Jesus that I have.
I don't hate liars. I want them to stop lying and turn from their sin and have a relationship with Jesus.
I don't hate anyone, but I want everyone to experience the grace and love of Jesus.
-
I mean, you desperately want it to say what just doesn't. You don't need an excuse to hate gay people so why try so hard to find one?
I don't hate gay people. I want them to turn from their sin and have the same joyous relationship with Jesus that I have.
I don't hate liars. I want them to stop lying and turn from their sin and have a relationship with Jesus.
I don't have anyone, but I want everyone to experience the grace and love of Jesus.
poor guy :cry:
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt' take a rocket scientist or a lawyer to see that God thinks those who lieth with a man are committing an abomination.
my hope is that those do practice homosexuality. stop. repent. and trust in Jesus. then they will experience a love like no man or woman can provide them.
-
I mean, you desperately want it to say what just doesn't. You don't need an excuse to hate gay people so why try so hard to find one?
I don't hate gay people. I want them to turn from their sin and have the same joyous relationship with Jesus that I have.
I don't hate liars. I want them to stop lying and turn from their sin and have a relationship with Jesus.
I don't have anyone, but I want everyone to experience the grace and love of Jesus.
poor guy :cry:
haha oops. Meant to say I don't hate anyone. will fix right now.
-
I mean, you desperately want it to say what just doesn't. You don't need an excuse to hate gay people so why try so hard to find one?
I don't hate gay people. I want them to turn from their sin and have the same joyous relationship with Jesus that I have.
I don't hate liars. I want them to stop lying and turn from their sin and have a relationship with Jesus.
I don't have anyone, but I want everyone to experience the grace and love of Jesus.
poor guy :cry:
Makes sense
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt' take a rocket scientist or a lawyer to see that God thinks those who lieth with a man are committing an abomination.
my hope is that those do practice homosexuality. stop. repent. and trust in Jesus. then they will experience a love like no man or woman can provide them.
so lesbians are in the clear?
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt' take a rocket scientist or a lawyer to see that God thinks those who lieth with a man are committing an abomination.
my hope is that those do practice homosexuality. stop. repent. and trust in Jesus. then they will experience a love like no man or woman can provide them.
so lesbians are in the clear?
Lol, no. I am sure there is a verse that can be altered to cover them.
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt' take a rocket scientist or a lawyer to see that God thinks those who lieth with a man are committing an abomination.
my hope is that those do practice homosexuality. stop. repent. and trust in Jesus. then they will experience a love like no man or woman can provide them.
I thought the old testament didn't count
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt' take a rocket scientist or a lawyer to see that God thinks those who lieth with a man are committing an abomination.
my hope is that those do practice homosexuality. stop. repent. and trust in Jesus. then they will experience a love like no man or woman can provide them.
I thought the old testament didn't count
Some parts
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesnt' take a rocket scientist or a lawyer to see that God thinks those who lieth with a man are committing an abomination.
my hope is that those do practice homosexuality. stop. repent. and trust in Jesus. then they will experience a love like no man or woman can provide them.
so lesbians are in the clear?
Glad you asked.
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1:26-17
-
I could definitely live by a code that didn't require me to shave.
So what is stopping you? Get your bible on, bruh.
I'm terrified of the persecution. If only a practically unknown pro athlete would come out as a bible bearder, then I could be free to let my beard go.
-
I could definitely live by a code that didn't require me to shave.
So what is stopping you? Get your bible on, bruh.
I'm terrified of the persecution. If only a practically unknown pro athlete would come out as a bible bearder, then I could be free to let my beard go.
Harden
-
Alright guys, I'm done for today. Dinner time then Royals. If anyone has any questions feel free to send me a private message or start a new thread.
And I will close with the most important message the world has ever known.
Romans 3:23 says that we are all sinners. In some way we have sinned in the eyes of the Lord. Either by lying, cheating, lusting, being angry with our fellow man. All this sin separates us from God, who will have nothing to do with sin.
Therefore we are in need of grace. Jesus, who is God in the flesh, bore our sins in his body on the cross.
I beg you all to open your hearts and give grace a chance to change your lives.
Grace- unmerited favor.
We don't deserve Jesus, but God graciously gave Him to us as a gift.
Have a good night.
-
I'll pray for you
-
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV) Leviticus 20:13.
But a gay man wouldn't lie with mankind as he would with a woman, that's the point of being gay, my dude. So is God only putting bisexuals to death? Where do the transgendered fall here? I have a friend that is female-to-male transgendered, I like him a lot, but if God is going to have him offed I want to make sure I am not near him when it happens.
-
None of the "God is Jesus, Jesus is god" BS makes any sense. I mean, it's just like a bad lie from a bad liar that can't figure out the lie until it is already halfway spoken, and ultimately ends up tripping over himself.
Yet ppl live, love, hate, kill, etc based off of it. The thought is absolutely absurd.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
-
Pro-tip: God isn't real
-
Pro-tip: God isn't real
That's not what I said.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
-
I'm really enjoying Muffin applying his version of Evangelical Protestantism across all sectors of Christianity.
-
Was just listening to a podcast of the Dan LeBatard show and Stan VanGundy wondered why God would make someone gay and then condemn them for being so.
-
The Van Gundys are wonderful.
-
Was just listening to a podcast of the Dan LeBatard show and Stan VanGundy wondered why God would make someone gay and then condemn them for being so.
The Lord works in mysterious ways, MIR.
-
So fan muffin has a bible that no one else reads because his cult didn't like the translation? Muffin post a picture of your bible.
-
I'm still curious how a modern viewpoint can condemn any opinion or belief? From what origin/basis/truth can this be done?
-
I'm still curious how a modern viewpoint can condemn any opinion or belief? From what origin/basis/truth can this be done?
SPK ENG pls, TIA!
-
So fan muffin has a bible that no one else reads because his cult didn't like the translation? Muffin post a picture of your bible.
Everyone I know uses either the ESV or NIV. I use the ESV. These are the versions you will find in most churches.
-
I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw
-
I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw
But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?
-
I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw
But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?
The old respect my right to be a bigot talking point. Classic.
-
But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?
The old respect my right to be a bigot talking point. Classic.
It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.
One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.
None here wrestle or grasp.
-
But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?
The old respect my right to be a bigot talking point. Classic.
It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.
One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.
None here wrestle or grasp.
You can wrestle with your decision whether or not to hate those different than yourself. I'm comfortable with my decision not to.
-
It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.
One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.
None here wrestle or grasp.
Your bolded assertion is unfounded. Take your pandering elsewhere, bigot.
-
I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw
But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?
You have your right to your opinion, to infer that anyone thinks otherwise is stupid. There is no such things as equal opinions some are more correct than others. I'm guessing you'd have issues with the opinion that evangelicals have Su standard intellects.
-
Was just listening to a podcast of the Dan LeBatard show and Stan VanGundy wondered why God would make someone gay and then condemn them for being so.
He also made woman but then said she is inferior. Kind of nutty
-
I never get past the childbirth to pay for the sin of Eve part guys. Should I try hard guys?
-
I never get past the childbirth to pay for the sin of Eve part guys. Should I try hard guys?
It's right there in some Bibles
-
You have your right to your opinion, to infer that anyone thinks otherwise is stupid. There is no such things as equal opinions some are more correct than others. I'm guessing you'd have issues with the opinion that evangelicals have Su standard intellects.
I'm not saying I want a right (from your viewpoint), I want my opinion to be of equal value to yours, because you have no base/something that says it shouldn't be. I want to know what the something is. You say there is no such thing and you're right, but that is supported in my view and not in yours. Your view disagrees with your words and proves me correct.
-
The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.
-
It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.
One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.
None here wrestle or grasp.
Your bolded assertion is unfounded. Take your pandering elsewhere, bigot.
It's supported by the fact that no one has come close to even approaching my question, let alone answering it with any insight, friend.
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
-
I never get past the childbirth to pay for the sin of Eve part guys. Should I try hard guys?
It's right there in some Bibles
I was housesitting and there was a bible next to the bed, so I decided to start reading it. I got to that part and put it back down.
-
Thinking someone is a "sinner" simply for being what they are is being a bigot. It's no different than saying a black person is a "sinner" for being black.
-
I just saw a jewelry commercial where a man described his wife as his "everything" and the "center of the universe". His wife, apparently, is the basis for his entire life and the only thing that gives his life meaning. He's a clown, but this is the sort of answer I'm looking for from you people.
-
Thinking someone is a "sinner" simply for being what they are is being a bigot. It's no different than saying a black person is a "sinner" for being black.
This is, and always has been, an incredible insult to all black people.
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
in this case, the person IS the "sin". You can't separate the two.
so really, they're hating the person (who isn't hurting ANYONE), no differently than someone hating someone for having pale skin or a lisp. I think that calling that bigotry is fair.
-
in this case, the person IS the "sin". You can't separate the two.
so really, they're hating the person (who isn't hurting ANYONE), no differently than someone hating someone for having pale skin or a lisp. I think that calling that bigotry is fair.
You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
We know that people, like us, are tempted with homosexuality and submit to it.
Again, a sickening insult to those with pale skin or lisps.
-
You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
:bang:
-
You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
:bang:
Yeah. Wow.
-
The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.
Agreed. Tell fun muffin
-
Would a gay person not have a good handle on that?
-
You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
Oh my
:bang:
Yeah. Wow.
-
(incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
"faith"
-
(incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
"faith"
ha
-
Quite the pickle
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
-
You have your right to your opinion, to infer that anyone thinks otherwise is stupid. There is no such things as equal opinions some are more correct than others. I'm guessing you'd have issues with the opinion that evangelicals have Su standard intellects.
I'm not saying I want a right (from your viewpoint), I want my opinion to be of equal value to yours, because you have no base/something that says it shouldn't be. I want to know what the something is. You say there is no such thing and you're right, but that is supported in my view and not in yours. Your view disagrees with your words and proves me correct.
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
Thinking someone is a "sinner" simply for being what they are is being a bigot. It's no different than saying a black person is a "sinner" for being black.
This is, and always has been, an incredible insult to all black people.
Really? Tell me about it, I'd love to know your view on the struggle of being black in our society.
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.
I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.
The millions of gays, Christian and otherwise, who tell you they are born gay isn't evidence enough? Do you think all people should get DNA tests to prove their genealogy or is the word of their parents good enough?
-
:horrorsurprise:
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
Lol at non believers not requiring conclusive evidence when their basis for ridicule against believers is, more often than not, a lack of conclusive evidence.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.
there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.
I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.
When I went to the Baylor game in Waco this past year, I saw the Westboro group with all their hateful signs. I felt 2 emotions.
1. Sadness - That they blatantly misinterpret the Bible, which lead them to hating others. I have no doubt they hate people who struggle with homosexuality. However, I believe there is no basis for this hate, and it hurts me deeply that they think Jesus would act this way toward these people. When in fact Jesus would show them love, mercy, and grace.
2. Ashamed- I was so ashamed that this is how they choose to represent the Cross, as they lead people astray.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.
there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/
this is a weighty read, and i admit i did not finish it.
http://iserp.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/working_papers/2001_04.pdf (http://iserp.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/working_papers/2001_04.pdf)
but the gist is if same-sex romantic attraction has a genetic component, it is massively overwhelmed by other factors
and i'm still reading the article you posted.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
-
That they blatantly misinterpret the Bible
ummm
-
You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
Oh my
:bang:
Yeah. Wow.
Some of you need to look beyond your facebook pages. Go cat.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.
there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/
Well it was an interesting read for sure. But the author himself kept using words like "may" and "sometimes" so I would say it's hardly strong evidence.
-
That they blatantly misinterpret the Bible
ummm
What?
I believe Phelp's gang is misinterpreting the Bible, and I believe most Bible believing Christians would agree. There is a reason his group is not that big, and only in Topeka, KS.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
Awesome, if you don't mind I will tackle these over the course of the week. Since there are multiple topics I think that is fair, especially since I'm just your average guy who has no specialized training to tackle these issues.
But I will do my best to find you the best possible resources and references.
As for now, I'm off to Taco Bell for 4th meal. Mods feel free to move to "Things I am ashamed of"
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.
I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.
Oh, I don't give a crap what you respect in a message board poster.
-
There is evidence of homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.
And how was I insulting people with lisps?
There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.
there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/
Well it was an interesting read for sure. But the author himself kept using words like "may" and "sometimes" so I would say it's hardly strong evidence.
The author didn't write the paper:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/668167
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.
I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.
Oh, I don't give a crap what you respect in a message board poster.
I don't know who you are, why would you care what I respect in a message board poster? Oh and just so I'm not guilty of being a hypocrite; why don't you stop being such a rough ridin' coward and say how you feel? Your stupid ass rhetorical questions and wordy defenses are transparent as hell. Grow some balls.
-
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
The emotions associated with temptation and sin are difficult to deal with; guilt, despair, etc. People are tempted to kill themselves because of an endless amount of situations or emotions or sin, especially teenagers. Sexual struggles are often some of the most powerful temptations, which is why not only those struggling with homosexuality, but those who are abused in some way often attempt suicide. Temptations can be extremely difficult to overcome. For instance, I believe what I believe, know I should not do something, I am tempted by it and end up doing it even though I know I shouldn't and even though I've failed before and experienced guilt. This happens to me personally with regularity, as it does all people. The difference is that at a point afterward I realize that I lost control and ask for forgiveness and God tells us I'm forgiven because I've placed my faith in Jesus and repented.
Why wouldn't a heterosexual kill themselves for their sexuality or try to hide it? Probably because, as fun muffin has said, it is a natural way of being, intended by God. There isn't much despair in God's intentions.
We don't have complete control of ourselves (if we did, why do I do things I don't want to do?). There are forces at work that actually pull us in one direction or another. I'm not saying that every homosexual said in clear mind, "I think I'll be gay." I'm saying that they have submitted to something, nearly against their will (in some cases) and they must, with God's help, pull themselves out of it. This is the case with all sin. The desires they are experiencing for the same sex can be overcome with the help of our Lord.
Edit: I'm not saying those that have been abused have done anything wrong, but that the sexual confusion/disorientation/despair that may come with this type of situation can lead to suicide, because things of a sexual nature are powerful.
-
Really? Tell me about it, I'd love to know your view on the struggle of being black in our society.
You don't know what color I am.
-
The emotions associated with temptation and sin are difficult to deal with; guilt, despair, etc. People are tempted to kill themselves because of an endless amount of situations or emotions or sin, especially teenagers. Sexual struggles are often some of the most powerful temptations, which is why not only those struggling with homosexuality, but those who are abused in some way often attempt suicide. Temptations can be extremely difficult to overcome. For instance, I believe what I believe, know I should not do something, I am tempted by it and end up doing it even though I know I shouldn't and even though I've failed before and experienced guilt. This happens to me personally with regularity, as it does all people. The difference is that at a point afterward I realize that I lost control and ask for forgiveness and God tells us I'm forgiven because I've placed my faith in Jesus and repented.
Why wouldn't a heterosexual kill themselves for their sexuality or try to hide it? Probably because, as fun muffin has said, it is a natural way of being, intended by God. There isn't much despair in God's intentions.
We don't have complete control of ourselves (if we did, why do I do things I don't want to do?). There are forces at work that actually pull us in one direction or another. I'm not saying that every homosexual said in clear mind, "I think I'll be gay." I'm saying that they have submitted to something, nearly against their will (in some cases) and they must, with God's help, pull themselves out of it. This is the case with all sin. The desires they are experiencing for the same sex can be overcome with the help of our Lord.
Two clarification questions:
1. Are you saying that the struggle is with the temptation to have sex? Do you only equate homosexuality to who you have sex with as opposed to who you have the capacity to love?
2. Did God make people (some people :dunno:) gay just so that they could overcome being gay with God's help?
that was three questions, sorry
-
Really? Tell me about it, I'd love to know your view on the struggle of being black in our society.
You don't know what color I am.
What does that have to do with my post? Did I say something about your race that I was unaware of? Please tell me about the struggle of being black and why comparing it to the struggle of homosexuals to gain acceptance is such an insult?
-
Two clarification questions:
1. Are you saying that the struggle is with the temptation to have sex? Do you only equate homosexuality to who you have sex with as opposed to who you have the capacity to love?
2. Did God make people (some people :dunno:) gay just so that they could overcome being gay with God's help?
that was three questions, sorry
1. Does this really need clarification? One love you feel for your grandma or a friend, another love (more appropriately lust) you feel for someone you think is hot (He's/She's so hot!). It's hard to describe, but I think everyone's pretty clear on it. I believe love and lust are different though often confused. I can love my same sex friend, for example, without any sexuality entering the picture. The Bible tells us that sin enters anytime we commit adultery (Jesus also said that lust is equal to adultery). Adultery is defined as sex outside of a God-intended union between one man and one woman. So, sex is only for marriage between one man and one woman. So, whether Collins is having gay sex or only wishing he was having gay sex, he's sinning. But I bet he loves his twin brother and that's OK. Collins struggles with the lust for men and potentially acting on it, not loving his brother.
2. The Bible says that God is only good and that he does not tempt us. We are tempted by Satan and by desires of our flesh. So God would not create something that was bad. When he created the universe and all that was in it(including a man and woman to be joined together), he proclaimed it all, "Good." It was only of our doing and Satan's that we fell and sin was created. So, no.
-
I have yet to come across a passage in the bible where Jesus even mentions homosexuality. I've only seen passages written by religious leaders prior to Jesus and church leaders after him. If you are going to completely disregard the old testament because Jesus set the record straight, so to speak, then why would you give so much weight to the rules that religious leaders created after Jesus died?
-
What does that have to do with my post? Did I say something about your race that I was unaware of? Please tell me about the struggle of being black and why comparing it to the struggle of homosexuals to gain acceptance is such an insult?
You're implying that I know nothing of it. But to answer the question, people are born black or another color. That's a fact. We can see it with our eyes. Homosexuals: inconclusive at best.
-
I have yet to come across a passage in the bible where Jesus even mentions homosexuality. I've only seen passages written by religious leaders prior to Jesus and church leaders after him. If you are going to completely disregard the old testament because Jesus set the record straight, so to speak, then why would you give so much weight to the rules that religious leaders created after Jesus died?
A Christian views the entire Bible as the inspired word of God. Whether or not Jesus explicitly said anything about homosexuality is not important, because a Christian believes the Bible exists as it does, and is to be believed, because God has ordained it that way. So if Paul says it, we can believe it, for example.
But having said all of that, Jesus does discuss lust being adultery and sex only occurring with a union between one man and one woman. So, why do we need any other direction?
The old testament is not to be disregarded, but in context with the new testament, it becomes more clear.
-
Wasn't Jesus crucified for violating the laws of the Old Testament? It seems kind of strange that God would write that part of the bible through people and then come to earth in the form of Jesus and violate his own laws.
-
Wasn't Jesus crucified for violating the laws of the Old Testament? It seems kind of strange that God would write that part of the bible through people and then come to earth in the form of Jesus and violate his own laws.
No, he wasn't. Jesus himself said that he came to "fulfill" the law. He was crucified because people thought he wasn't who he said he was and deserved death for it.
Galatians 3: "23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. "
-
Well this was quite the thread to step into.
-
What does that have to do with my post? Did I say something about your race that I was unaware of? Please tell me about the struggle of being black and why comparing it to the struggle of homosexuals to gain acceptance is such an insult?
You're implying that I know nothing of it. But to answer the question, people are born black or another color. That's a fact. We can see it with our eyes. Homosexuals: inconclusive at best.
Mind boggling
-
What does one say about someone who claims they've overcome homosexuality? Someone who practiced it and has since lead a heterosexual lifestyle? Are they a liar?
-
What does one say about someone who claims they've overcome homosexuality? Someone who practiced it and has since lead a heterosexual lifestyle? Are they a liar?
There are bisexual people.
-
Think about the variety of people you might find attractive. For everybody this is different. For about three percent of the us this extends to the same sex. Smaller percentage extends to both sexes. Not sure why this is so hard.
-
Wasn't Jesus crucified for violating the laws of the Old Testament? It seems kind of strange that God would write that part of the bible through people and then come to earth in the form of Jesus and violate his own laws.
No, he wasn't. Jesus himself said that he came to "fulfill" the law. He was crucified because people thought he wasn't who he said he was and deserved death for it.
Galatians 3: "23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. "
Jesus also did not observe the Sabbath.
-
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments. Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint. They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different. Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God. That is a valid point of view. Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful. You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so. But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them. Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.
How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.
I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.
Oh, I don't give a crap what you respect in a message board poster.
I don't know who you are, why would you care what I respect in a message board poster? Oh and just so I'm not guilty of being a hypocrite; why don't you stop being such a rough ridin' coward and say how you feel? Your stupid ass rhetorical questions and wordy defenses are transparent as hell. Grow some balls.
OK, I now know why you argue every tiny little insignificant point to the death in paragraph form. It's because you equate having a strong opinion and belittling everyone who doesn't share it with being a man. Weird.
-
Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin? I can legitimately understand the purpose of the ten commandments, but not the God hating gays thing.
-
Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin? I can legitimately understand the purpose of the ten commandments, but not the God hating gays thing.
I think it is about beating the planet with more people.
-
Did he go to Kstate?
-
Why did god create satan to temp us? Seems pretty uncool of him.
-
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
I feel burdened by my heterosexuality. I am very very attracted to women. And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn. Now, I haven't look at porn in several months. I don't even desire to look at it anymore. I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus. Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.
-
OK, I now know why you argue every tiny little insignificant point to the death in paragraph form. It's because you equate having a strong opinion and belittling everyone who doesn't share it with being a man. Weird.
Nothing to do with being a man, you are wagging your finger at others with opinions without espousing one anyway because you want to be liked by some strangers on the internet. People will still laugh at your posts and videos if you just say you agree with poet warrior and fun muffin. fight your own battle and stop hiding behind others, you coward.
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
-
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
I feel burdened by my heterosexuality. I am very very attracted to women. And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn. Now, I haven't look at porn in several months. I don't even desire to look at it anymore. I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus. Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.
you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality
-
Where does looking at porn get you?
-
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
I feel burdened by my heterosexuality. I am very very attracted to women. And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn. Now, I haven't look at porn in several months. I don't even desire to look at it anymore. I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus. Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.
you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality
forgive me
-
What does that have to do with my post? Did I say something about your race that I was unaware of? Please tell me about the struggle of being black and why comparing it to the struggle of homosexuals to gain acceptance is such an insult?
You're implying that I know nothing of it. But to answer the question, people are born black or another color. That's a fact. We can see it with our eyes. Homosexuals: inconclusive at best.
I wasn't implying that at all. Makes sense that you did that though seeing as how you take the same tact with the bible and gay people saying that they are born gay and you not believing them. for the record I was prepared to talk about some civil rights pioneers also taking up the case of the human rights of gays. Your race is of no significance to me nor should it be.
-
Where does looking at porn get you?
Huh? What do you mean "Where"? It gets me into sin, because I'm lusting after the girl on the screen. So it gets me further away from Jesus.
I hope i answered that correctly because that is an unusual question.
-
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
I feel burdened by my heterosexuality. I am very very attracted to women. And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn. Now, I haven't look at porn in several months. I don't even desire to look at it anymore. I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus. Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.
you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality
forgive me
Lets try again, this time staying on topic. Do you or anyone else you know agonize at, possibly to the point of ending your life, at the possibility that you love women?
I'll keep saying this, poet warrior keeps ignoring it, being gay is about who you love not who you have sex with. I can go and put a penis in my mouth but that doesn't make me gay.
-
Where does looking at porn get you?
Huh? What do you mean "Where"? It gets me into sin, because I'm lusting after the girl on the screen. So it gets me further away from Jesus.
I hope i answered that correctly because that is an unusual question.
Good answer. That was a dumb question that just came to my mind.
-
Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin?
just an off the cuff guess, but i'd venture that it might have had something to do with differentiating judaism and later christianity from the dominant polytheistic cultures of the mediterranean, which i believe were largely accepting of homo/bisexuality.
-
I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
that's not god's grace, that's just getting old. same thing happened to me; i'm an atheist.
-
I was just watching die hard 2 on hbozone, and when it was done i started to read bbs's and not pay attention to what came on next. Just looked up and it's softcore porn... I'm going to hell :angry:
-
The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.[/color][/font][/size][/b]
Agreed. Tell fun muffin
Spoken like people who are uneducated and are trying to duck the point.
-
Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin?
just an off the cuff guess, but i'd venture that it might have had something to do with differentiating judaism and later christianity from the dominant polytheistic cultures of the mediterranean, which i believe were largely accepting of homo/bisexuality.
I would agree with this, as a religion that came from Judaism, it stands to be reasonable that Jewish thoughts on sexuality would be perpetuated in Christianity, see: Paul.
-
God, grant me the serenity to accept things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Amen.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
-
Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin?
just an off the cuff guess, but i'd venture that it might have had something to do with differentiating judaism and later christianity from the dominant polytheistic cultures of the mediterranean, which i believe were largely accepting of homo/bisexuality.
yeah. that was the reason for much of the OT dietary laws as well.. The Israelites were to be "a people set apart"..
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.
-
I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
that's not god's grace, that's just getting old. same thing happened to me; i'm an atheist.
I don't know sys, i'm only 24. When I say I was addicted to that stuff, I mean I was ADDICTED!! Only a few short years later and boom, no porn. I think that's hardly getting old considering how old i am.
-
Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much. I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?
I feel burdened by my heterosexuality. I am very very attracted to women. And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn. Now, I haven't look at porn in several months. I don't even desire to look at it anymore. I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus. Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.
you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality
forgive me
Lets try again, this time staying on topic. Do you or anyone else you know agonize at, possibly to the point of ending your life, at the possibility that you love women?
I'll keep saying this, poet warrior keeps ignoring it, being gay is about who you love not who you have sex with. I can go and put a penis in my mouth but that doesn't make me gay.
did you watch the youtube? I would listen to that guy more than me, because he is the one who actually lived what we are talking about. I feel his perspective will bring us all more understanding than anything.
-
I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life. But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.
that's not god's grace, that's just getting old. same thing happened to me; i'm an atheist.
I don't know sys, i'm only 24. When I say I was addicted to that stuff, I mean I was ADDICTED!! Only a few short years later and boom, no porn. I think that's hardly getting old considering how old i am.
But you probably have less free time on your hands, so to speak, than you did back when you were beating off every 10 minutes.
-
Is lust ok when it is directed toward your wife? I ask because there is a huge difference between lust and love and ppl exercise both inside a perfectly normal marriage daily.
If lust is sinful, would someone be sinning while banging their wife in a hot Victoria Secrets outfit?
I mean, if love is all that is allowed, the population of earth would be much farther behind than it is now.
Also, if God wants us to completely dominate the Earth and make it our bitch, what does he/she think about population density? Shouldn't good Christians be out conquering the wild so that we can dominate it?
Also, I haven't watched the YouTube yet, but assume it is about a kid who was* gay and no longer is**. If that is the case, I would bet a decent amt of money that he either ends up killing himself or back to loving men
Pro Tips:
* - still is
** - d00d is def still gay.
-
or bisexual
-
in this case, the person IS the "sin". You can't separate the two.
so really, they're hating the person (who isn't hurting ANYONE), no differently than someone hating someone for having pale skin or a lisp. I think that calling that bigotry is fair.
You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).
We know that people, like us, are tempted with homosexuality and submit to it.
Again, a sickening insult to those with pale skin or lisps.
eff you
-
OK, I now know why you argue every tiny little insignificant point to the death in paragraph form. It's because you equate having a strong opinion and belittling everyone who doesn't share it with being a man. Weird.
fight your own battle and stop hiding behind others, you coward.
:lol: Where does one find the courage to debate their point of view to death on an internet message board? Probably only in the midst of battle.
-
The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.[/color][/font][/size][/b]
Agreed. Tell fun muffin
Spoken like people who are uneducated and are trying to duck the point.
Come again professor?
-
OK, I now know why you argue every tiny little insignificant point to the death in paragraph form. It's because you equate having a strong opinion and belittling everyone who doesn't share it with being a man. Weird.
fight your own battle and stop hiding behind others, you coward.
:lol: Where does one find the courage to debate their point of view to death on an internet message board? Probably only in the midst of battle.
:rolleyes: no one should feel obligated to express an opinion, the cowardly act comes from admonishing others opinions while trying to seem above the fray
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
At least.
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
-
very sad
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
i know a girl (college freshman, i believe) who is an evangelical minister's daughter. she's also a lesbian. when he found out her jr year of high school that she had a girlfriend, he made her apologize to the church and shamed the crap out of her. guess what? she's still a lesbian, but she has to hide it, of course.
the same assholes like muffin and pw who say they "love the sinner, not the sin" are the same dumbasses who lined up at chic fil a out of hatred for another group of human beings.
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
That guy is totally gay for Jesus.
-
VERY fearful of the Lord
-
god has too much free time if he's running around worrying about some of the stuff you guys say he is. jmo.
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
scary, really
-
Just watched the first 4 min myself and he is still as gay as he was when he described himself as a younger person. He says so right about the 3:20min mark. Still gay, just absolutely terrified that if he doesn't suppress his desires that he will be kicked out of the club.
Sad as crap.
Live a tormented life and deny yourself the love that comes first nature to you so that you can be less afraid of what won't happen in the afterlife anyway. What's funny is that ppl like this are denying themselves who they are to help avoid hell. Yet they are living in hell to do so.
Also, there is no hell.
Seriously, watching another human twist in the wind like this is part of what makes me angry about organized religion.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.
first time i've heard this. got any links?
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.
first time i've heard this. got any links?
no, but I'm sure PW or fun muffin can confirm that it says in Exodus that the Jews (I believe it asserts every single one of them actually) were enslaved in Egypt. They can probably confirm that it claims they all lived to be about 150 years old too. unless their bibles are different than the one i grew up with.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.
first time i've heard this. got any links?
no, but I'm sure PW or fun muffin can confirm that it says in Exodus that the Jews (I believe it asserts every single one of them actually) were enslaved in Egypt. They can probably confirm that it claims they all lived to be about 150 years old too. unless their bibles are different than the one i grew up with.
don't forget that adam of adam & eve fame lived to be like 900 years old.
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.
first time i've heard this. got any links?
no, but I'm sure PW or fun muffin can confirm that it says in Exodus that the Jews (I believe it asserts every single one of them actually) were enslaved in Egypt. They can probably confirm that it claims they all lived to be about 150 years old too. unless their bibles are different than the one i grew up with.
Sorry to break it to you SD, but fun muffin has a new revised bible that adds words when it feels like, so it's probably not the same.
-
don't forget that adam of adam & eve fame lived to be like 900 years old.
How old did steve of adam and steve live to be?
-
don't forget that adam of adam & eve fame lived to be like 900 years old.
How old did steve of adam and steve live to be?
50, then he succumbed to AIDS
-
I did a google search of "why did people in the bible live to be so old". This was the best answer on Yahoo Answers.
if you look at the age of people before and after the flood you see a huge differnece, after the flood there is a dramatic decrease in the age people lived to, it went from deing 400, 500, 600 hundred to beign around the hundred mark. there are a variety of reasons, but i think the most likly one is that afetr the flood there was climatic change, adn this was detrimental to human life,(incidently this may also have been when dinosaurs became extinct)
if they were blessed becasue they were following God, no not neccisarliy, there was plenty of people who lived a long tiem who wrent Godly and vice versa. Josaih only lived to his 40's and he was a very Godly man
-
I did a google search of "why did people in the bible live to be so old". This was the best answer on Yahoo Answers.
if you look at the age of people before and after the flood you see a huge differnece, after the flood there is a dramatic decrease in the age people lived to, it went from deing 400, 500, 600 hundred to beign around the hundred mark. there are a variety of reasons, but i think the most likly one is that afetr the flood there was climatic change, adn this was detrimental to human life,(incidently this may also have been when dinosaurs became extinct)
if they were blessed becasue they were following God, no not neccisarliy, there was plenty of people who lived a long tiem who wrent Godly and vice versa. Josaih only lived to his 40's and he was a very Godly man
That person should be put down (humanely of course) like a sick dog, JFC :facepalm:
-
I did a google search of "why did people in the bible live to be so old". This was the best answer on Yahoo Answers.
if you look at the age of people before and after the flood you see a huge differnece, after the flood there is a dramatic decrease in the age people lived to, it went from deing 400, 500, 600 hundred to beign around the hundred mark. there are a variety of reasons, but i think the most likly one is that afetr the flood there was climatic change, adn this was detrimental to human life,(incidently this may also have been when dinosaurs became extinct)
if they were blessed becasue they were following God, no not neccisarliy, there was plenty of people who lived a long tiem who wrent Godly and vice versa. Josaih only lived to his 40's and he was a very Godly man
mold exposure post flood.
-
That person should be put down (humanely of course) like a sick dog, JFC :facepalm:
Maybe you prefer this explanation.
Creation starts with a perfect world, perfect conditions, and perfect humans with no genetic mutations.
Paleontology has shown that there was 50% more oxygen in the pre-flood world, as well as twice the air pressure.
The "canopy theory" of water or ice surrounding the pre-flood globe would also block all UV rays and x-rays from the sun that cause us to age so rapidly. Things were a lot different before the flood.
After the flood life spans began to drop off dramatically.
I've heard variations of this explanation given by some very qualified scientists, and it makes the best sense given all the evidence.
-
global warming
-
This explanation was "hidden" due to low rating. LOL
Point 1. The first 5 books of the Bible were derived principally from oral histories passed down through generations and, while they contain some tribal history, they also contain many fables, stories, issues of tribal rules and laws etc. There is no evidence that any primates human or otherwise have ever had the type of lifespans the Bible proposes.
Point 2. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for a worldwide flood as described in the Bible. In fact the geological and physical evidence specifically shows there was no worldwide flood...particularly in the last 10,000 years (within the YEC time lines)
Point 3. The so called "water canopy" is physically impossible...I could spend paragraphs on the science but instead I will simply refer you to a wonderful video which explains the scientific impossibility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvprBLhJx…
And please...creationists...if you are going to regail me with all of your scientific proof of the flood...don't bother unless you are demonstrating via actual peer-reviewed publicly funded research,
published in legitimate scientific journals (things like SCIENCE, NATURE, THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PALEONTOLOGY ETC....
by actual scientists with degrees from accredited university ...not idiots with degrees in the "Philosophy of Science", or Theology, or business management.
BTW... I am not an atheist. But to I am a realist. To insist on literal interpretations of scripture to the denail of every single piece of scientific evidence is ignorant and does Christianity a disservice.
Source(s):
Research Scientist. College Professor
-
global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.
source: the good book
this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.
-
topical. great mother.
http://deadspin.com/brittney-griner-first-came-out-to-her-mother-in-the-nin-493147041?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
-
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.
I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.
http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities (http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities)
No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.
How about geology and biology?
Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.
Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.
the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.
well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.
first time i've heard this. got any links?
I hadn't heard that either. It's pretty interesting stuff, though.
http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=3184 (http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=3184)
-
topical. great mother.
http://deadspin.com/brittney-griner-first-came-out-to-her-mother-in-the-nin-493147041?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Her mother is obvsly a non-believer. The christian thing to do would have been to either shun her until she found Jesus or enroll her in some sexual change therapy to fix her.
-
That person should be put down (humanely of course) like a sick dog, JFC :facepalm:
Maybe you prefer this explanation.
Creation starts with a perfect world, perfect conditions, and perfect humans with no genetic mutations.
Paleontology has shown that there was 50% more oxygen in the pre-flood world, as well as twice the air pressure.
The "canopy theory" of water or ice surrounding the pre-flood globe would also block all UV rays and x-rays from the sun that cause us to age so rapidly. Things were a lot different before the flood.
After the flood life spans began to drop off dramatically.
I've heard variations of this explanation given by some very qualified scientists, and it makes the best sense given all the evidence.
Maybe the people who live in Iowa aren't such huge dumb fucks.
-
That person should be put down (humanely of course) like a sick dog, JFC :facepalm:
Maybe you prefer this explanation.
Creation starts with a perfect world, perfect conditions, and perfect humans with no genetic mutations.
Paleontology has shown that there was 50% more oxygen in the pre-flood world, as well as twice the air pressure.
The "canopy theory" of water or ice surrounding the pre-flood globe would also block all UV rays and x-rays from the sun that cause us to age so rapidly. Things were a lot different before the flood.
After the flood life spans began to drop off dramatically.
I've heard variations of this explanation given by some very qualified scientists, and it makes the best sense given all the evidence.
Maybe the people who live in Iowa aren't such huge dumb fucks.
They didn't used to be, but things have deteriorated quickly post flood.
-
global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.
source: the good book
this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.
it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.
-
global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.
source: the good book
this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.
it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.
I enjoy the belief in the authenticity/veracity of any one particular religion over the teaming multitude of other religions past and present.
"I genuinely believe all this crazy, impossible stuff happened way back when and I will follow it faithfully."
"What about all that other competing crazy, impossible crap other people believe in?"
"Clearly false."
"Why?"
"Because Jesus."
:lol:
The suspension of disbelief necessary is so very unsettling.
-
global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.
source: the good book
this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.
it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.
I enjoy the belief in the authenticity/veracity of any one particular religion over the teaming multitude of other religions past and present.
"I genuinely believe all this crazy, impossible stuff happened way back when and I will follow it faithfully."
"What about all that other competing crazy, impossible crap other people believe in?"
"Clearly false."
"Why?"
"Because Jesus."
:lol:
The suspension of disbelief necessary is so very unsettling.
satan made those 3,000 other religions to test your faith against your ability to reason. christianity has the one true satan as well as the one true god. and one of his most effective tools is reason.
-
i'm worried that the thing i just typed might make sense to a really stupid person.
-
global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.
source: the good book
this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.
it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.
I enjoy the belief in the authenticity/veracity of any one particular religion over the teaming multitude of other religions past and present.
"I genuinely believe all this crazy, impossible stuff happened way back when and I will follow it faithfully."
"What about all that other competing crazy, impossible crap other people believe in?"
"Clearly false."
"Why?"
"Because Jesus."
:lol:
The suspension of disbelief necessary is so very unsettling.
it would be easy to dismiss/ignore these people if the veracity of their belief and it's superiority weren't responsible for the overwhelming majority of all the death and suffering of innocent people since the dawn of time.
-
Meh. If it weren't religion it would have been something else. Politics, class, race, ethnicity, resources, something. Religion isn't the cause, it's just one of the excuses. Humanity is the cause.
-
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21577043-american-christian-zealots-are-fighting-back-against-gay-rightsabroad-strange-bedfellows (http://www.economist.com/news/international/21577043-american-christian-zealots-are-fighting-back-against-gay-rightsabroad-strange-bedfellows)
tl;dnr
kansas affiliated preacher hates gays. travels to uganda to preach message. ugandans pass legislation mandating killing of gays.
-
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21577043-american-christian-zealots-are-fighting-back-against-gay-rightsabroad-strange-bedfellows (http://www.economist.com/news/international/21577043-american-christian-zealots-are-fighting-back-against-gay-rightsabroad-strange-bedfellows)
tl;dnr
kansas affiliated preacher hates gays. travels to uganda to preach message. ugandans pass legislation mandating killing of gays.
Picture at top of article: "Exit only - Not Entrance"
Now let's go kill some human beings!
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
So you concede that homosexuality is natural? So God is making the mistake?
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
Well I have to hand it goEMAW, its resilient skepticism is second to none.
I believe the sadness you may perceive is this guys heart breaking for the LGBT community, that they haven't found the freedom that is in Christ. This young man just wants everyone to experience the hope and grace that he does. Now I can not speak for this guy, as I don't know him. But I would imagine he still has homosexual temptations. Which is fine. Everyone has a thorn in their side. The apostle Paul had one. I have one, which I have shared with you. And if he does give into the temptation, he does not lose his salvation. He's a sinner just like everyone else. Just like you and me. Just because you are in Christ doesn't mean you magically stop sinning. When we do give into temptation, whether it's this guy looking at gay porn or me looking at straight porn, those who are in Christ must go back to the Gospel. Asking Jesus for forgiveness and to repent of our sin.
I also find it funny, that it seems some people watched only 4 minutes of the video. That is likely only reading the old testament and not the new. (which apparently all of goEMAW does)
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
So you concede that homosexuality is natural? So God is making the mistake?
No I will absolutely not concede that. The Bible is quite clear it's not natural. It is quite obviously against God's design.
-
I'll admit that I'm completely uneducated on Christianity. what is the difference between the old testament and new? what makes it new? who decided that was the actual word of God?
-
I'll admit that I'm completely uneducated on Christianity. what is the difference between the old testament and new? what makes it new? who decided that was the actual word of God?
New testament is Jesus on
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
So you concede that homosexuality is natural? So God is making the mistake?
No I will absolutely not concede that. The Bible is quite clear it's not natural. It is quite obviously against God's design.
Also this: I previously mentioned, probably 10 pages ago, that homosexuality leads to self-destruction or the extinction of whatever species is doing this. So my question is how is it natural for if it leads to extinction.?
Wouldn't natural selection remove something that leads to extinction? I never did receive a satisfactory answer to this question.
Therefore, it seems to me that homosexuality is more of a learned behavior.
-
God should wipe all gays out with another global flood.
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
So you concede that homosexuality is natural? So God is making the mistake?
No I will absolutely not concede that. The Bible is quite clear it's not natural. It is quite obviously against God's design.
Also this: I previously mentioned, probably 10 pages ago, that homosexuality leads to self-destruction or the extinction of whatever species is doing this. So my question is how is it natural for if it leads to extinction.?
Wouldn't natural selection remove something that leads to extinction? I never did receive a satisfactory answer to this question.
Therefore, it seems to me that homosexuality is more of a learned behavior.
you're not answering the question, muffin.
does god make mistakes?
you'll say no, so if he doesn't make mistakes then why are animals in nature participating in this deviant lifestyle? they aren't capable of logic and reason.
-
God should wipe all gays out with another global flood.
he's not done torturing and making an example of them yet.
-
Welp, we won't have to worry about wars over water then.
Also, where did all the water from the flood go? I mean, it's kinda humid here in the summer, but not that humid.
-
God should wipe all gays out with another global flood.
Will this one cut down human's lifespan too?
-
I'm not sure you understand the time frame necessary for evolution to work, fun muffin. Also, homosexuality going away completely would require no homosexuals ever fathering children, which is not the case and has never been the case at any point in the history of mankind.
-
hey muffin, when you were younger, like 10 or 11 or whatever, did you sit in class, scope out all your classmates, and think to yourself, "ya know what, muff? i can't decide if i want to get a big handful of those tittays or if i want to choke down some man-meat"
or, was it one day in class when you were checking out jenny's new rockin' bod and your lap started getting tingly and you just knew that you liked what you saw/felt?
-
I'll admit that I'm completely uneducated on Christianity. what is the difference between the old testament and new? what makes it new? who decided that was the actual word of God?
New testament is Jesus on
This is true, but it is so much more than that.
The Old Testament is a demonstration on how unfaithful God's people were. The 10 commandments in particular show humans that they themselves cannot fulfill the law themselves. Only Jesus can. God uses the 10 commandments to show people that they are sinful, and in need of a savior. That is why you don't read about the sacrifice of animals for sins in the new testament. Because the sacrifice of Jesus is the final, end all be all of sacrifices.
The New Testament was written as a demonstration of the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies of Jesus as well as letters written to various churches and individuals informing them of proper Christian behavior.
-
topical. great mother.
http://deadspin.com/brittney-griner-first-came-out-to-her-mother-in-the-nin-493147041?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
ya, I don't understand why some think the heavenly father would be any different than Britt's mom
-
also I always imagined pw to be one of those "love and embrace everyone and be free and don't judge" type of guys. eff this thread.
-
God should wipe all gays out with another global flood.
Will this one cut down human's lifespan too?
What was the life span in Waterworld?
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
Of course not, it's the offspring's choice.
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
I don't think anybody said that. I do believe that it is a genetic trait, and over the course of millions of years, if no gay or bisexual people were to reproduce, that trait would likely go away.
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
how in the mother of eff is that belief noteworthy to you given the all the other scary crap in this thread?
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
Of course not, it's the offspring's choice.
those little butt-babies have free will, and they choose hell and damnation.
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
Of course not, it's the offspring's choice.
those little butt-babies have free will, and they choose hell and damnation.
butt babies, lol
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
So you concede that homosexuality is natural? So God is making the mistake?
No I will absolutely not concede that. The Bible is quite clear it's not natural. It is quite obviously against God's design.
Also this: I previously mentioned, probably 10 pages ago, that homosexuality leads to self-destruction or the extinction of whatever species is doing this. So my question is how is it natural for if it leads to extinction.?
Wouldn't natural selection remove something that leads to extinction? I never did receive a satisfactory answer to this question.
Therefore, it seems to me that homosexuality is more of a learned behavior.
you're not answering the question, muffin.
does god make mistakes?
you'll say no, so if he doesn't make mistakes then why are animals in nature participating in this deviant lifestyle? they aren't capable of logic and reason.
Perhaps this will ease your mind. http://carm.org/are-animals-sinful-too-why-do-animals-have-suffer (http://carm.org/are-animals-sinful-too-why-do-animals-have-suffer)
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
-
Can angels have sex with people?
http://carm.org/can-angels-have-sex-with-people
if an angel has sex with you, do you go to hell?
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Hide yo wives, guys.
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Hide yo wives, guys.
ha good post.
-
are people here really under the notion that only gays will produce gay offspring?
I don't think anybody said that. I do believe that it is a genetic trait, and over the course of millions of years, if no gay or bisexual people were to reproduce, that trait would likely go away.
Actually there is evidence that the trait is caused by hormones released in the mother's womb. there's more evidence showing that siblings of homosexuals reproduce at a higher rate than the general population. (I posted links earlier.) So, gays wouldn't need to reproduce for the trait to survive.
-
bikinis? SIN
http://carm.org/what-about-women-wearing-bikinis-beach
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
Well I have to hand it goEMAW, its resilient skepticism is second to none.
I believe the sadness you may perceive is this guys heart breaking for the LGBT community, that they haven't found the freedom that is in Christ. This young man just wants everyone to experience the hope and grace that he does. Now I can not speak for this guy, as I don't know him. But I would imagine he still has homosexual temptations. Which is fine. Everyone has a thorn in their side. The apostle Paul had one. I have one, which I have shared with you. And if he does give into the temptation, he does not lose his salvation. He's a sinner just like everyone else. Just like you and me. Just because you are in Christ doesn't mean you magically stop sinning. When we do give into temptation, whether it's this guy looking at gay porn or me looking at straight porn, those who are in Christ must go back to the Gospel. Asking Jesus for forgiveness and to repent of our sin.
I also find it funny, that it seems some people watched only 4 minutes of the video. That is likely only reading the old testament and not the new. (which apparently all of goEMAW does)
I watched the rest, and it was just him quoting bible verses and holding back tears about suppressing gay thoughts. At one point he compared homosexuality to jealousy and some other things, saying that hetero's who feel jealousy are basically going through what homosexuals go through.
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
Well I have to hand it goEMAW, its resilient skepticism is second to none.
I believe the sadness you may perceive is this guys heart breaking for the LGBT community, that they haven't found the freedom that is in Christ. This young man just wants everyone to experience the hope and grace that he does. Now I can not speak for this guy, as I don't know him. But I would imagine he still has homosexual temptations. Which is fine. Everyone has a thorn in their side. The apostle Paul had one. I have one, which I have shared with you. And if he does give into the temptation, he does not lose his salvation. He's a sinner just like everyone else. Just like you and me. Just because you are in Christ doesn't mean you magically stop sinning. When we do give into temptation, whether it's this guy looking at gay porn or me looking at straight porn, those who are in Christ must go back to the Gospel. Asking Jesus for forgiveness and to repent of our sin.
I also find it funny, that it seems some people watched only 4 minutes of the video. That is likely only reading the old testament and not the new. (which apparently all of goEMAW does)
I watched the rest, and it was just him quoting bible verses and holding back tears about suppressing gay thoughts. At one point he compared homosexuality to jealousy and some other things, saying that hetero's who are jealous are basically going through what homosexuals go through.
Good thing for him that jealousy is experienced every day by a lot of ppl. Maybe this kid will get right yet.
-
this site is great fun muffin, i can't believe you actually take this crap seriously.
vasectomy's: SIN
oral sex: NOT SIN (in marriage)
anal sex: SIN (even in marriage cause it's too gay like)
outside sperm donor in artificial insemination: SIN
surrogate pregnancy: NOT SIN (lots of rules to make it not a sin though)
pedofilia: SIN (unless you're married to a child, then it's ok to touch the kid)
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
-
This fun muffin sock is masterful.
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
This catch all scare tactic is exactly why hell was invented
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
Not true. I understand Zeus is particularly cruel to Christians and Muslims. He's down with Buddists though.
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
Seems to me you are losing a shitload every day. Sorry friend, I feel for you.
-
It did get fairly obvious at the end there when he was talking about being addicted to jerking himself off. A bit heavy handed (pun intended).
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
Not true. I understand Zeus is particularly cruel to Christians and Muslims. He's down with Buddists though.
Oh crap, CFoD do you want to rage with the God of Thunder for all eternity with me? We can start a hair metal band on top of his mountain surrounded by babes that lay around and feed us grapes and cheeses all day.
-
christian socks do tend to be the best.
-
Let's pretend that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Why would someone choose to be ridiculed and ostracized? Or beaten and sometimes killed?
-
JFC, this thread. Woof!
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
and there's pascal's wager right on cue.
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
Not true. I understand Zeus is particularly cruel to Christians and Muslims. He's down with Buddists though.
Oh crap, CFoD do you want to rage with the God of Thunder for all eternity with me? We can start a hair metal band on top of his mountain surrounded by babes that lay around and feed us grapes and cheeses all day.
If I can be the drummer, count me in!
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
Well I have to hand it goEMAW, its resilient skepticism is second to none.
I believe the sadness you may perceive is this guys heart breaking for the LGBT community, that they haven't found the freedom that is in Christ. This young man just wants everyone to experience the hope and grace that he does. Now I can not speak for this guy, as I don't know him. But I would imagine he still has homosexual temptations. Which is fine. Everyone has a thorn in their side. The apostle Paul had one. I have one, which I have shared with you. And if he does give into the temptation, he does not lose his salvation. He's a sinner just like everyone else. Just like you and me. Just because you are in Christ doesn't mean you magically stop sinning. When we do give into temptation, whether it's this guy looking at gay porn or me looking at straight porn, those who are in Christ must go back to the Gospel. Asking Jesus for forgiveness and to repent of our sin.
I also find it funny, that it seems some people watched only 4 minutes of the video. That is likely only reading the old testament and not the new. (which apparently all of goEMAW does)
I watched the rest, and it was just him quoting bible verses and holding back tears about suppressing gay thoughts. At one point he compared homosexuality to jealousy and some other things, saying that hetero's who feel jealousy are basically going through what homosexuals go through.
You can compare sins in a legal sense. Because all sins separate you from God. Any sin no matter what it is makes you guilty before the Lord.
I've explained several times how my lusting after a woman is no different than his lusting after a man. They are both sins. Both sins equally separate us from God.
I believe he was attempting to provide hetero's with an example that would make sense to them.
-
Feel free to pile on everyone I don't mind. But at the end of the day if I'm wrong, nothing happens. I lived a good life. Served people. I will be remembered as someone who put others before himself. And that's it.
BUT if you guys are wrong, well, I can't even begin to imagine what separation from God is like for eternity.
I have nothing to lose, you guys it seems, have everything to lose.
As for me, I will serve the Lord.
Not true. I understand Zeus is particularly cruel to Christians and Muslims. He's down with Buddists though.
Oh crap, CFoD do you want to rage with the God of Thunder for all eternity with me? We can start a hair metal band on top of his mountain surrounded by babes that lay around and feed us grapes and cheeses all day.
can I come? :shy:
Sent from my NookColor using Tapatalk 2
-
Hell yeah. It's going to be rad. CNS can't come on account of Zeus hates giants. Maybe choose not to be one and we can talk. Zeus is a real stickler on that point. Will. Not. Budge.
-
Let's pretend that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Why would someone choose to be ridiculed and ostracized? Or beaten and sometimes killed?
They choose to act on it. The devil has tempted them in the form of a muscular, body-hairless dude with a rocking wein. They need only say no and Heaven is theirs for the taking. Thee shall not taste of the man fruits and thee shall be beloved for all time in my heavenly kingdom, amen. It's in my bible.
-
Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY
This is his testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMB5SBMDHnk)
Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened.
I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.
Well I have to hand it goEMAW, its resilient skepticism is second to none.
I believe the sadness you may perceive is this guys heart breaking for the LGBT community, that they haven't found the freedom that is in Christ. This young man just wants everyone to experience the hope and grace that he does. Now I can not speak for this guy, as I don't know him. But I would imagine he still has homosexual temptations. Which is fine. Everyone has a thorn in their side. The apostle Paul had one. I have one, which I have shared with you. And if he does give into the temptation, he does not lose his salvation. He's a sinner just like everyone else. Just like you and me. Just because you are in Christ doesn't mean you magically stop sinning. When we do give into temptation, whether it's this guy looking at gay porn or me looking at straight porn, those who are in Christ must go back to the Gospel. Asking Jesus for forgiveness and to repent of our sin.
I also find it funny, that it seems some people watched only 4 minutes of the video. That is likely only reading the old testament and not the new. (which apparently all of goEMAW does)
I watched the rest, and it was just him quoting bible verses and holding back tears about suppressing gay thoughts. At one point he compared homosexuality to jealousy and some other things, saying that hetero's who feel jealousy are basically going through what homosexuals go through.
You can compare sins in a legal sense. Because all sins separate you from God. Any sin no matter what it is makes you guilty before the Lord.
I've explained several times how my lusting after a woman is no different than his lusting after a man. They are both sins. Both sins equally separate us from God.
I believe he was attempting to provide hetero's with an example that would make sense to them.
it must be terrifying and exhausting living under the constant watchful eye of such a judgmental and demanding higher power. I truly feel for you.
-
commit a lot of sins, ask for forgiveness right before you do, PROFIT!
-
commit a lot of sins, ask for forgiveness right before you do, PROFIT!
I think after is ok too. not sure. can we get a ruling, fun muffin?
-
Absolomuians 12:6 Thine weiner is thine own, grab not of another man's rope for he is your brother in all things except the sharing of bodies for that there are the side-tattoed slatterns, my bounty unto thee.
-
Absolomuians 12:6 Thine weiner is thine own, grab not of another man's rope for he is your brother in all things except the sharing of bodies for that there are the side-tattoed slatterns, my bounty unto thee.
Powerful scripture there. I'm moved.
-
Absolomuians 12:6 Thine weiner is thine own, grab not of another man's rope for he is your brother in all things except the sharing of bodies for that there are the side-tattoed slatterns, my bounty unto thee.
omfg :lol:
-
Absolomuians 12:6 Thine weiner is thine own, grab not of another man's rope for he is your brother in all things except the sharing of bodies for that there are the side-tattoed slatterns, my bounty unto thee.
:lol:
-
:thumbs:
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Great link and many takeaways
-The tag line of that site is awesome "Conservative values for an unsaved world"
-Whomever marries Antoine gets what they deserve.
-If being gay is a choice why do you need to be "cured?" You don't cure choices.
-Cadence Appleton appears to be quite the repressed vamp. Love the pic at the bottom of the article. Seems as if she's waiting for a wackycat type to turn her out.
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Great link and many takeaways
-The tag line of that site is awesome "Conservative values for an unsaved world"
-Whomever marries Antoine gets what they deserve.
-If being gay is a choice why do you need to be "cured?" You don't cure choices.
-Cadence Appleton appears to be quite the repressed vamp. Love the pic at the bottom of the article. Seems as if she's waiting for a wackycat type to turn her out.
Here's the follow up.
http://www.metroweekly.com/news/last_word/2013/05/youtuber-antoine-dodson-looking-for-wife-still-att.html (http://www.metroweekly.com/news/last_word/2013/05/youtuber-antoine-dodson-looking-for-wife-still-att.html)
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Great link and many takeaways
-The tag line of that site is awesome "Conservative values for an unsaved world"
-Whomever marries Antoine gets what they deserve.
-If being gay is a choice why do you need to be "cured?" You don't cure choices.
-Cadence Appleton appears to be quite the repressed vamp. Love the pic at the bottom of the article. Seems as if she's waiting for a wackycat type to turn her out.
It's satirical
-
When has homosexuality ever In the history of the universe led to extinction?
-
When has homosexuality ever In the history of the universe led to extinction?
The Bible says that's how dinosaurs became extinct.
-
I'm not a Christian because I believe it is the safe bet and if I'm wrong, no big deal.
I'm a Christian because everything that has happened in my life and everything I've learned in my life are consistent with what the Bible teaches. So, it demands that I believe it and as a result I believe it to be true.
You'd trust someone who told you the truth 1000 separate times.
-
When has homosexuality ever In the history of the universe led to extinction?
The Bible says that's how dinosaurs became extinct.
Yep, the biblical flood of about 5k years ago.
-
I'm not a Christian because I believe it is the safe bet and if I'm wrong, no big deal.
I'm a Christian because everything that has happened in my life and everything I've learned in my life are consistent with what the Bible teaches. So, it demands that I believe it and as a result I believe it to be true.
You'd trust someone who told you the truth 1000 separate times.
So being gay is evil
-
i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)
seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.
I'll take this.
Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.
Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct. Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc. Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it? Of course not.
Bible says to bash your kids on rocks.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
-
He obviously has fervent need to believe.
-
I think Mr. Bread makes hiring oscar worth it overall for me.
-
He obviously has fervent need to believe.
I recognize step 5 of the 12 step program when I see it.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
-
I'm going to stick around here until he gets to step 8 and asks for my forgiveness.
-
I do need to believe, because I was once desperate and lost and nothing of this earth was able to satisfy me.
Some of you can relate, if you're honest.
-
If your passion on this, or any subject is equal to mine, ask yourself why, because it is contrary to what you believe and you must reconcile it.
-
If your passion on this, or any subject is equal to mine, ask yourself why, because it is contrary to what you believe and you must reconcile it.
I'm pretty meh.
-
I feel like I need to re-think my entire life now.
-
Hell yeah. It's going to be rad. CNS can't come on account of Zeus hates giants. Maybe choose not to be one and we can talk. Zeus is a real stickler on that point. Will. Not. Budge.
Zeus is a huge bigot. Also, that hairband is going to be more Journey than Def Leopard with Zeus in it. Grats w that.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
-
Hell yeah. It's going to be rad. CNS can't come on account of Zeus hates giants. Maybe choose not to be one and we can talk. Zeus is a real stickler on that point. Will. Not. Budge.
Zeus is a huge bigot. Also, that hairband is going to be more Journey than Def Leopard with Zeus in it. Grats w that.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
win/win!
-
I don't know sys, i'm only 24. When I say I was addicted to that stuff, I mean I was ADDICTED!! Only a few short years later and boom, no porn. I think that's hardly getting old considering how old i am.
yeah, actually it does sound like god has graced you.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
yeah, but it's based on science instead of the Bible. And such a person still probably isn't as fervent and closed-minded as PW.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
yeah, but it's based on science instead of the Bible. And such a person still probably isn't as fervent and closed-minded as PW.
Just like belief in God, belief in atheism still has to make a leap of faith at some point, because not every question has been answered. There are lots of people that desperately reach to make jokes about how much they don't believe in God, much like PW desperately tries to act like some attention seeking moral philosopher in an attempt to show "how strong" his belief in God is.
-
Let's pretend that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Why would someone choose to be ridiculed and ostracized? Or beaten and sometimes killed?
jfc. homosexuals live great lives.
-
Let's pretend that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Why would someone choose to be ridiculed and ostracized? Or beaten and sometimes killed?
jfc. homosexuals live great lives.
Maybe in the last 20 years. The previous several hundred, not so much.
-
well, now is now, not several hundred years ago.
-
Let's pretend that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Why would someone choose to be ridiculed and ostracized? Or beaten and sometimes killed?
jfc. homosexuals live great lives.
Maybe in the last 20 years. The previous several hundred, not so much.
Also, it isn't great for them everywhere.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
yeah, but it's based on science instead of the Bible. And such a person still probably isn't as fervent and closed-minded as PW.
Just like belief in God, belief in atheism still has to make a leap of faith at some point, because not every question has been answered. There are lots of people that desperately reach to make jokes about how much they don't believe in God, much like PW desperately tries to act like some attention seeking moral philosopher in an attempt to show "how strong" his belief in God is.
ok.
-
Also, it isn't great for them everywhere.
well, we're talking about places i've lived.
-
pw, muffin: Have you ever had any family members or close friends that are gay?
-
well, now is now, not several hundred years ago.
Oh yeah, I forgot gays didn't exist until now.
-
What if the bible meant that men shouldn't lay with men unless they were married but they left that out because they assumed people in the future would understand that good loves good people and wouldn't punish people who love each other?
-
Also, it isn't great for them everywhere.
well, we're talking about places i've lived.
I don't think it's great for that poor emaw homosexual in fun muffin's video. I guess it COULD be if he didn't care what his friends and family thought if him. But he does so it isn't.
-
Also, fun muffin may have the gayest username on the board, which I think is great.
-
Also, fun muffin may have the gayest username on the board, which I think is great.
Yeah, it's ironic like pigfuuker.
-
I don't think it's great for that poor emaw homosexual in fun muffin's video. I guess it COULD be if he didn't care what his friends and family thought if him. But he does so it isn't.
he'd still have the same dumbass friends and family if he wasn't gay (didn't watch the vid, but based on the comments of people in this thread).
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Great link and many takeaways
-The tag line of that site is awesome "Conservative values for an unsaved world"
-Whomever marries Antoine gets what they deserve.
-If being gay is a choice why do you need to be "cured?" You don't cure choices.
-Cadence Appleton appears to be quite the repressed vamp. Love the pic at the bottom of the article. Seems as if she's waiting for a wackycat type to turn her out.
It's satirical
The site is satirical, but Antoine really did decide he didn't want to be gay any more.
-
Let's pretend that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Why would someone choose to be ridiculed and ostracized? Or beaten and sometimes killed?
jfc. homosexuals live great lives.
I think his point is that people don't get beaten and murdered just because they're hetero. No one has to come out of the straight closet.
-
http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/ (http://christwire.org/2013/05/antoine-dodson-says-im-no-longer-into-homsexuality-i-want-a-wife/)
Great link and many takeaways
-The tag line of that site is awesome "Conservative values for an unsaved world"
-Whomever marries Antoine gets what they deserve.
-If being gay is a choice why do you need to be "cured?" You don't cure choices.
-Cadence Appleton appears to be quite the repressed vamp. Love the pic at the bottom of the article. Seems as if she's waiting for a wackycat type to turn her out.
It's satirical
The site is satirical, but Antoine really did decide he didn't want to be gay any more.
Yes, and his quotes in your second article were golden. 'Toine also looks as if he's put on a few lbs.
-
I think his point is that people don't get beaten and murdered just because they're hetero. No one has to come out of the straight closet.
i think his point is that no one would choose to be gay, because the poor, stricken souls that have to live that horrible lifestyle suffer through their empty conflicted lives in ways that no sane person would choose.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
yeah, but it's based on science instead of the Bible. And such a person still probably isn't as fervent and closed-minded as PW.
Just like belief in God, belief in atheism still has to make a leap of faith at some point, because not every question has been answered. There are lots of people that desperately reach to make jokes about how much they don't believe in God, much like PW desperately tries to act like some attention seeking moral philosopher in an attempt to show "how strong" his belief in God is.
ok.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
-
I've never seen intolerance to the degree I am seeing right now with the all out assault on a couple of peoples' belief that homosexuality is immoral. JFC, everyone is entitled to their own moral code. They aren't hitting up rest stops with lead pipes and chains.
No wonder the gays have such a hard time, the straights pushing hardest for them are insufferable assholes without brains. You know how gay people can get equal rights? Stop trying to rough ridin' force everyone to say being gay is okay, by law, relentless verbal abuse or otherwise. Take the goddamn civil union, get over the rough ridin' semantics and stfu. If the gay rights people are the "bigger people", as they say they are, they sure as crap aren't acting like it.
-
fake sugar dick calls for less verbal abuse
-
I've never seen intolerance to the degree I am seeing right now with the all out assault on a couple of peoples' belief that homosexuality is immoral. JFC, everyone is entitled to their own moral code. They aren't hitting up rest stops with lead pipes and chains.
No wonder the gays have such a hard time, the straights pushing hardest for them are insufferable assholes without brains. You know how gay people can get equal rights? Stop trying to rough ridin' force everyone to say being gay is okay, by law, relentless verbal abuse or otherwise. Take the goddamn civil union, get over the rough ridin' semantics and stfu. If the gay rights people are the "bigger people", as they say they are, they sure as crap aren't acting like it.
:lol:
-
fake sugar dick calls for less verbal abuse
You're hurting yourself with this one, Dumbass.
-
I've never seen intolerance to the degree I am seeing right now with the all out assault on a couple of peoples' belief that homosexuality is immoral. JFC, everyone is entitled to their own moral code. They aren't hitting up rest stops with lead pipes and chains.
No wonder the gays have such a hard time, the straights pushing hardest for them are insufferable assholes without brains. You know how gay people can get equal rights? Stop trying to rough ridin' force everyone to say being gay is okay, by law, relentless verbal abuse or otherwise. Take the goddamn civil union, get over the rough ridin' semantics and stfu. If the gay rights people are the "bigger people", as they say they are, they sure as crap aren't acting like it.
What a dumbass
-
fake sugar dick calls for less verbal abuse
You're hurting yourself with this one, Dumbass.
touche
-
Antoine really did decide he didn't want to be gay any more.
Yes, and his quotes in your second article were golden. 'Toine also looks as if he's put on a few lbs.
good choice then, talk about intolerance.
-
I've never seen intolerance to the degree I am seeing right now with the all out assault on a couple of peoples' belief that homosexuality is immoral. JFC, everyone is entitled to their own moral code. They aren't hitting up rest stops with lead pipes and chains.
No wonder the gays have such a hard time, the straights pushing hardest for them are insufferable assholes without brains. You know how gay people can get equal rights? Stop trying to rough ridin' force everyone to say being gay is okay, by law, relentless verbal abuse or otherwise. Take the goddamn civil union, get over the rough ridin' semantics and stfu. If the gay rights people are the "bigger people", as they say they are, they sure as crap aren't acting like it.
You could replace gay with n***** and that could have come straight off of an sec message board.
-
And FSD enters the conversation with the be tolerant of others right to be intolerant talking point. Classic.
-
I've never seen intolerance to the degree I am seeing right now with the all out assault on a couple of peoples' belief that homosexuality is immoral. JFC, everyone is entitled to their own moral code. They aren't hitting up rest stops with lead pipes and chains.
No wonder the gays have such a hard time, the straights pushing hardest for them are insufferable assholes without brains. You know how gay people can get equal rights? Stop trying to rough ridin' force everyone to say being gay is okay, by law, relentless verbal abuse or otherwise. Take the goddamn civil union, get over the rough ridin' semantics and stfu. If the gay rights people are the "bigger people", as they say they are, they sure as crap aren't acting like it.
"you have your own damned drinking fountain and section on the bus! what are you bitching about? be thankful we're not beating you to a pulp!"
-
insufferable assholes without brains.
....
Stop the relentless verbal abuse!
-
Also, fun muffin may have the gayest username on the board, which I think is great.
Yeah, it's ironic like pigfuuker.
That was a great username fwiw.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
No, just an observation. If that's what gets him by then good for him. He's honest about it. I respect the honesty. I don't consider what I may or may not believe to be in competition with PW's beliefs, as long as he's not attempting to force others to live by his beliefs of course. I've never been even remotely interested in trying to talk someone out of being religious. As long as it is limited to how you live your life, I don't care what you believe if it gets you through the day. What a terrible thing to try to rob someone of. Unfortunately that is not always the case, what with your jihads, Crusades, WBCs, Salem witch trials, etc. I don't view that as a religion problem though, not at its core. That's a humanity problem.
-
And FSD enters the conversation with the be tolerant of others right to be intolerant talking point. Classic.
Why don't people have to be tolerant of my intolerance of their intolerant point of view? Seem like this is a 2 way street and I'm just hooking a U-turn
-
And FSD enters the conversation with the be tolerant of others right to be intolerant talking point. Classic.
Why don't people have to be tolerant of my intolerance of their intolerant point of view? Seem like this is a 2 way street and I'm just hooking a U-turn
yeah, it really gets confusing. you go down that road far enough and you end up being intollerant of yourself.
-
Why don't people have to be tolerant of my intolerance of their intolerant point of view? Seem like this is a 2 way street and I'm just hooking a U-turn
because your modern mindset doesn't offer you a framework you can use to judge others' beliefs. pw covered that.
-
There is a palpable desperation to PW's professed belief in the bible's legitimacy. That kind of hyperbole speaks volumes.
Are you implying that no one on this site treats their views on atheism similarly?
No, just an observation. If that's what gets him by then good for him. He's honest about it. I respect the honesty. I don't consider what I may or may not believe to be in competition with PW's beliefs, as long as he's not attempting to force others to live by his beliefs of course. I've never been even remotely interested in trying to talk someone out of being religious. As long as it is limited to how you live your life, I don't care what you believe if it gets you through the day. What a terrible thing to try to rob someone of. Unfortunately that is not always the case, what with your jihads, Crusades, WBCs, Salem witch trials, etc. I don't view that as a religion problem though, not at its core. That's a humanity problem.
this.
-
Why don't people have to be tolerant of my intolerance of their intolerant point of view? Seem like this is a 2 way street and I'm just hooking a U-turn
because your modern mindset doesn't offer you a framework you can use to judge others' beliefs. pw covered that.
PWned.
-
Why don't people have to be tolerant of my intolerance of their intolerant point of view? Seem like this is a 2 way street and I'm just hooking a U-turn
because your modern mindset doesn't offer you a framework you can use to judge others' beliefs. pw covered that.
I'm pretty old fashioned. Still use regular light bulbs
-
:raiseshand: question for fun muffin.
what does the bible say about paedophilia and torturing animals? quote specific passages if possible. tia.
-
Fun muffin has stood strong and taken some abuse in this thread. I commend him on that :cheers:
-
Fun muffin has stood strong and taken some abuse in this thread. I commend him on that :cheers:
Yeah, I really don't. He's burying his head into the sand that is carm.org to justify demeaning others. How can you respect that?
-
Fun muffin has stood strong and taken some abuse in this thread. I commend him on that :cheers:
PW has been a pretty good sport/bigot in this thread as well! :cheers:
-
It sure was uplifting to see god answer the prayers of those three women and child that were being held captive in Ohio yesterday. just imagine how horrible that experience would have been without god and jesus watching over them.
Luke 11 9:10
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
-
It sure was uplifting to see god answer the prayers of those three women and child that were being held captive in Ohio yesterday. just imagine how horrible that experience would have been without god and jesus watching over them.
Luke 11 9:10
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
Pretty sure those girls were/are fornicators. They are going to hell.
-
yep, baby out of wedlock. burn in hell, bitches
-
Also, fun muffin may have the gayest username on the board, which I think is great.
i laughed
-
Fun muffin has stood strong and taken some abuse in this thread. I commend him on that :cheers:
thanks for the kind words.
-
Fun muffin has stood strong and taken some abuse in this thread. I commend him on that :cheers:
Yeah, I really don't. He's burying his head into the sand that is carm.org to justify demeaning others. How can you respect that?
thanks for the kind words.
-
Some of the messages being put forth by these churches seem pretty gay.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/unintentionally-sexual-church-signs
-
It sure was uplifting to see god answer the prayers of those three women and child that were being held captive in Ohio yesterday. just imagine how horrible that experience would have been without god and jesus watching over them.
Luke 11 9:10
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
My heart goes out to these women and the child. They've had to endure the unthinkable and my heart breaks for them.
I will never claim to understand why God allows things like this to happen. What I do know is that God is good and that He has a sovereign plan to work all things together for good.
Perhaps God allows these types of things to happen so that we can see just how truly awful sin is. We live in a sinful, broken world. But I believe that one day Jesus will come back and make all things new, ending all pain and suffering once and for all.
And who knows, maybe that child will grow up and make a positive difference in the world.
-
Collins Memoir turned down by publisher. I find it interesting that Collins is contacting publishers, instead of the other way around. Guy's at the end of his career, becoming a free agent, likely won't be picked up... Good timing for his announcement, I suppose.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jason-collins-book-20130506,0,1279.story
-
Collins Memoir turned down by publisher. I find it interesting that Collins is contacting publishers, instead of the other way around. Guy's at the end of his career, becoming a free agent, likely won't be picked up... Good timing for his announcement, I suppose.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jason-collins-book-20130506,0,1279.story
Planned this poorly. Should have came out in the book.
-
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/health/lifes-work-de-waal/index.html?hpt=hp_t5
Morality was given as an example of why it is ok for animals to be homosexual but not humans.
Looks like animals are def going to hell.
-
Collins Memoir turned down by publisher. I find it interesting that Collins is contacting publishers, instead of the other way around. Guy's at the end of his career, becoming a free agent, likely won't be picked up... Good timing for his announcement, I suppose.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jason-collins-book-20130506,0,1279.story
Planned this poorly. Should have came out in the book.
I hope it's a tell all exposé where he talks about of all the NBA players he's banged.
-
Collins Memoir turned down by publisher. I find it interesting that Collins is contacting publishers, instead of the other way around. Guy's at the end of his career, becoming a free agent, likely won't be picked up... Good timing for his announcement, I suppose.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jason-collins-book-20130506,0,1279.story
Planned this poorly. Should have came out in the book.
I hope it's a tell all exposé where he talks about of all the NBA players he's banged.
+1. I also hope he outs a lot of other players too.
-
It sure was uplifting to see god answer the prayers of those three women and child that were being held captive in Ohio yesterday. just imagine how horrible that experience would have been without god and jesus watching over them.
Luke 11 9:10
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
My heart goes out to these women and the child. They've had to endure the unthinkable and my heart breaks for them.
I will never claim to understand why God allows things like this to happen. What I do know is that God is good and that He has a sovereign plan to work all things together for good.
Perhaps God allows these types of things to happen so that we can see just how truly awful sin is. We live in a sinful, broken world. But I believe that one day Jesus will come back and make all things new, ending all pain and suffering once and for all.
And who knows, maybe that child will grow up and make a positive difference in the world.
Let me guess, He told you that? Sounds fishy.
-
Collins Memoir turned down by publisher. I find it interesting that Collins is contacting publishers, instead of the other way around. Guy's at the end of his career, becoming a free agent, likely won't be picked up... Good timing for his announcement, I suppose.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jason-collins-book-20130506,0,1279.story
Planned this poorly. Should have came out in the book.
I hope it's a tell all exposé where he talks about of all the NBA players he's banged.
And all the straight ones he turned gay
-
Collins Memoir turned down by publisher. I find it interesting that Collins is contacting publishers, instead of the other way around. Guy's at the end of his career, becoming a free agent, likely won't be picked up... Good timing for his announcement, I suppose.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jason-collins-book-20130506,0,1279.story
Planned this poorly. Should have came out in the book.
I hope it's a tell all exposé where he talks about of all the NBA players he's banged.
And all the straight ones he turned gay
and how much C-gazing he did in the locker room
-
:raiseshandandclearsthroat: you still haven't answered my questions, fun muffin.
-
:raiseshandandclearsthroat: you still haven't answered my questions, fun muffin.
it's obvious you know the answer so why don't you tell us all.
-
I forgot the question can someone recap?
-
Hi, everybody!
-
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/health/lifes-work-de-waal/index.html?hpt=hp_t5
I found this interview funny. A guy studying apes solving the moral issues of humans.
-
Hi, everybody!
:thumbs:
-
And FSD enters the conversation with the be tolerant of others right to be intolerant talking point. Classic.
No. I'm saying that being an abrasive bad person to people who share a different moral position than you is counterproductive and a losing proposition in this context because you don't need their moral approval in order to get what you need. Its overreaching. None of the detractors in this thread are trying to stop the gays from doing anything, just that they believe its immoral. Civil Union is on the table, take it for gods sake.
Anyone that thinks calling gay marriage a civil union is in anyway similar to seperate but equal should be punitely sprayed with a firehouse by some guy named Jim Bob until they acknowledge how stupid and denigrating that position is to the civil rights movement.
Of course, you're a brain dead libtard who is blinded by your own self conviction and too rough ridin' stupid to understand the argument and choices in front of your own face. Take comfort in some pathetic sarcastic retort and act like you were just messing around, idiot.
-
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/health/lifes-work-de-waal/index.html?hpt=hp_t5
I found this interview funny. A guy studying apes solving the moral issues of humans.
I watched an ape eat its own crap at the zoo. I've seen other animals consume their young and devour their fallen. #itsnatural
-
Does Kansas banning sharia law leave an opening for gay marriage? Could Kansas still stone homosexuals to death without sharia law? Is is it tolerant or intolerant to hate Muslims because of their intolerance towards homosexuals?
So confused on when its okay to be intolerant and why its mandatory that everyone be tolerant. It all feels very fascistie.
-
And FSD enters the conversation with the be tolerant of others right to be intolerant talking point. Classic.
No. I'm saying that being an abrasive bad person to people who share a different moral position than you is counterproductive and a losing proposition in this context because you don't need their moral approval in order to get what you need. Its overreaching. None of the detractors in this thread are trying to stop the gays from doing anything, just that they believe its immoral. Civil Union is on the table, take it for gods sake.
Anyone that thinks calling gay marriage a civil union is in anyway similar to seperate but equal should be punitely sprayed with a firehouse by some guy named Jim Bob until they acknowledge how stupid and denigrating that position is to the civil rights movement.
Of course, you're a brain dead libtard who is blinded by your own self conviction and too rough ridin' stupid to understand the argument and choices in front of your own face. Take comfort in some pathetic sarcastic retort and act like you were just messing around, idiot.
:lol: good thinking to add that. btw, your separate but equal-esque argument is fantastic satire. keep it up. :thumbs:
-
Wait, sharia law is now involved? Welp, the circle is complete.
-
fascistie weather we've been having lately
-
:raiseshandandclearsthroat: you still haven't answered my questions, fun muffin.
it's obvious you know the answer so why don't you tell us all.
I honestly have no idea. that's why asked the question, dumbass.
-
I'm circumcised. :emawkid:
-
It sure was uplifting to see god answer the prayers of those three women and child that were being held captive in Ohio yesterday. just imagine how horrible that experience would have been without god and jesus watching over them.
Luke 11 9:10
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
My heart goes out to these women and the child. They've had to endure the unthinkable and my heart breaks for them.
I will never claim to understand why God allows things like this to happen. What I do know is that God is good and that He has a sovereign plan to work all things together for good.
Perhaps God allows these types of things to happen so that we can see just how truly awful sin is. We live in a sinful, broken world. But I believe that one day Jesus will come back and make all things new, ending all pain and suffering once and for all.
And who knows, maybe that child will grow up and make a positive difference in the world.
oh well though. at least we truly understand what sin is now, huh? because i was confused before as to whether or not i should grab and rape a twelve year old girl for the rest of her life. oh well, now i know. it's apparently not ok. tia, god. really helpful here.
btw...t's and p's to the little girls that apparently had to get raped during their formative years for me to figure this out. seriously. i owe them lunch or something, no? prob owe god lunch too because of how good and helpful he is in allowing me to understand this. thanks god. owe you one bro. glad you let those little girls get raped like maniacs for ten years. really helpful for me, friend. text me. also, tag me if you've got a pic of that dungeon or whatever where they were held. just seems like something that we should be proud of or whatever. you know...you/me....btw, maybe those girls maybe do something positive with their lives thus apparently making up for the fact that they were held hostive and raped for ten years. i mean, apparently there's that.
-
oh well though. at least we truly understand what sin is now, huh? because i was confused before as to whether or not i should grab and rape a twelve year old girl for the rest of her life. oh well, now i now. it's apparently not ok. tia, god. really helpful here.
btw...t's and p's to the little girls that apparently had to get raped during their formative years for me to figure this out. seriously. i owe them lunch or something, no? prob owe god lunch too because of how good and helpful he is in allowing me to understand this. thanks god. owe you one bro. glad you let those little girls get raped like maniacs for ten years. really helpful for me, friend. text me. also, tag me if you've got a pic of that dungeon or whatever where they were held. just seems like something that we should be proud of or whatever. you know...you/me....btw, maybe those girls maybe do something positive with their lives thus apparently making up for the fact that they were held hostive and raped for ten years. i mean, apparently there's that.
they weren't really kidnapped, enslaved and raped, daris. lol @ you. god's just making us think they were. the girls were fine, eating ice cream and skipping through meadows the whole time.
everyone learns a lesson, the girls get ice cream and all's well that ends well.
-
oh well though. at least we truly understand what sin is now, huh? because i was confused before as to whether or not i should grab and rape a twelve year old girl for the rest of her life. oh well, now i now. it's apparently not ok. tia, god. really helpful here.
btw...t's and p's to the little girls that apparently had to get raped during their formative years for me to figure this out. seriously. i owe them lunch or something, no? prob owe god lunch too because of how good and helpful he is in allowing me to understand this. thanks god. owe you one bro. glad you let those little girls get raped like maniacs for ten years. really helpful for me, friend. text me. also, tag me if you've got a pic of that dungeon or whatever where they were held. just seems like something that we should be proud of or whatever. you know...you/me....btw, maybe those girls maybe do something positive with their lives thus apparently making up for the fact that they were held hostive and raped for ten years. i mean, apparently there's that.
they weren't really kidnapped, enslaved and raped, daris. lol @ you. god's just making us think they were. the girls were fine, eating ice cream and skipping through meadows the whole time.
everyone learns a lesson, the girls get ice cream and all's well that ends well.
i mean, we get to apparently learn a lesson and hey..."who knows , maybe that child will grow up and make a positive difference in the world."
i mean sure it prob sucked for them to get raped for ten consecutive years, but i mean my god, if that teaches me the badness of sin and they only had to get raped for ten years then i mean it's win/win, amirite?
-
:raiseshandandclearsthroat: you still haven't answered my questions, fun muffin.
it's obvious you know the answer so why don't you tell us all.
I honestly have no idea. that's why asked the question, dumbass.
You don't have any idea and possess the power of the internet, yet you call me a dumbass, Sad and lazy.
-
What is the O/U of little kids that need to be decade torture raped for everyone in America to figure out that sin is bad news? Estimates are fine
-
What is the O/U of little kids that need to be decade torture raped for everyone in America to figure out that sin is bad news? Estimates are fine
idk. although, we'll soon prob find out if three is enough to be the o/u. my guess is prob not. god should have made that guy hold four captive.
-
i mean sure it prob sucked for them to get raped for ten consecutive years, but i mean my god, if that teaches me the badness of sin and they only had to get raped for ten years then i mean it's win/win, amirite?
it's a win-win because they were eating ice cream with god, not being raped. my god, daris, what sort of twisted monster are you that you need to believe god goes around surrogate-raping 10 year old girls in the face of all evidence to the contrary?
-
The funniest part of the gay debate are people who didn't previously give a damn about civil rights that get all huffy about comparing the battle for civil rights to that of the battle of human rights for gays.
-
If Todd Akin has taught me anything, it's that those girls weren't really raped. I mean they had babies.
-
If Todd Akin has taught me anything, it's that those girls weren't really raped. I mean they had babies.
So far, only one has been confirmed, I believe.
That's right guys, we could still be possibly looking at two girls that were raped.
-
wtf are you guys talking about?
-
wtf are you guys talking about?
thread merger/confusion. it's annoying.
-
wtf are you guys talking about?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html?_r=0)
-
Imagine how much we'd learn about sin if there was gay rape involved instead.
-
The Warriors will probably take a long, hard look at him.
-
The Warriors will probably take a long, hard look at him.
:blank:
-
i think think of sexuality kind of like i think of hand dominance. vast majority are right handed (straight) a few are ambidextrous (bi) and some are left (gay/lesbian). being anything but right handed is probably harder (left handed scissors? gmafb). also, i never recall choosing to be right handed and i never remember choosing to be attracted to females so i think you're just predisposed one way or the other.
i also think that anyone who runs around caring about something as insignificant as what hand someone chooses to write with is weird just like i think someone who cares about whether some guy wants to make out with another guy is weird. like, you're the rough ridin' weirdo in the situation bro. running around caring deeply about things like what hand someone wants to throw a ball with and whether or not some woman wants to grab the boobs of another woman vs the balls of some guy or whatever. just such a weird thing to care so much about i guess.
As an ambidextrous dude, does this mean I need to start banging some dudes to even things out? If so, can it be James Franco or will that just mess things up even more? I'd also do Tom Hardy, if need be.
-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1644155-brittney-griner-asked-by-former-baylor-coach-to-keep-quiet-about-sexuality (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1644155-brittney-griner-asked-by-former-baylor-coach-to-keep-quiet-about-sexuality)
Former Baylor Lady Bears basketball superstar Brittney Griner was told to be publicly mum about her sexuality by her head coach, Kim Mulkey, because it was believed to be harmful to recruiting and reflect badly on the program.
It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it. They kind of tried to make it, like, "Why put your business out on the street like that?"
I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, "I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem," and she told me that it wasn't. I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it.
Baptist uni decides that they want a gay athlete. Rather than trying to change her, they just told her to not publicize it. Result: not a problem. Official christian practice: gays need help and prayer to change and suppress homosexuality unless they are super good at basketball, then they just need to keep quiet about it.
-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1644155-brittney-griner-asked-by-former-baylor-coach-to-keep-quiet-about-sexuality (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1644155-brittney-griner-asked-by-former-baylor-coach-to-keep-quiet-about-sexuality)
Former Baylor Lady Bears basketball superstar Brittney Griner was told to be publicly mum about her sexuality by her head coach, Kim Mulkey, because it was believed to be harmful to recruiting and reflect badly on the program.
It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it. They kind of tried to make it, like, "Why put your business out on the street like that?"
I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, "I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem," and she told me that it wasn't. I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it.
Baptist uni decides that they want a gay athlete. Rather than trying to change her, they just told her to not publicize it. Result: not a problem. Official christian practice: gays need help and prayer to change and suppress homosexuality unless they are super good at basketball, then they just need to keep quiet about it.
Baylor would do absolutely anything under the sun to win.
-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1644155-brittney-griner-asked-by-former-baylor-coach-to-keep-quiet-about-sexuality (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1644155-brittney-griner-asked-by-former-baylor-coach-to-keep-quiet-about-sexuality)
Former Baylor Lady Bears basketball superstar Brittney Griner was told to be publicly mum about her sexuality by her head coach, Kim Mulkey, because it was believed to be harmful to recruiting and reflect badly on the program.
It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it. They kind of tried to make it, like, "Why put your business out on the street like that?"
I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, "I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem," and she told me that it wasn't. I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it.
Baptist uni decides that they want a gay athlete. Rather than trying to change her, they just told her to not publicize it. Result: not a problem. Official christian practice: gays need help and prayer to change and suppress homosexuality unless they are super good at basketball, then they just need to keep quiet about it.
Baylor would do absolutely anything under the sun to win.
I could see Drew faking being gay to get a few players. They are desperate right now.
-
You know what would make this guy a brave hero?
Coming out as a tea party conservative. :horrorsurprise: Facing the persecution and government oppression head on to raise awareness and opposition against the disgusting bigotry instilled in our society and bureaucracy. :love:
-
You know what would make this guy a brave hero?
Coming out as a tea party conservative. :horrorsurprise: Facing the persecution and government oppression head on to raise awareness and opposition against the disgusting bigotry instilled in our society and bureaucracy. :love:
Except there are plenty tea partiers who are out.
-
You know what would make this guy a brave hero?
Coming out as a tea party conservative. :horrorsurprise: Facing the persecution and government oppression head on to raise awareness and opposition against the disgusting bigotry instilled in our society and bureaucracy. :love:
Except there are plenty tea partiers who are out.
An active participant in one of the 4 major men's sports???
Who are these brave heros?
-
Fwiw with Robbie Rodgers activated and on the bench tonight he becomes the first openly gay male in a top flight North American Pro Sports League. Major professional sport is up to debate with what individuals classify the MLS as.
Just thought I would drop this off here.
-
http://boingboing.net/2013/06/20/christian-gay-cure-group-a.html
-
http://boingboing.net/2013/06/20/christian-gay-cure-group-a.html
That's quite a turnaround. Good for them.
-
http://boingboing.net/2013/06/20/christian-gay-cure-group-a.html
That's quite a turnaround. Good for them.
yeah, I wonder what caused it. hopefully not lawsuits from familys of dead teens.
-
it's a give-and-take thing. Tebow suddenly gets to be the starting TE for the Patriots, so they had to give something back to the other team. (no pun intended)
-
http://boingboing.net/2013/06/20/christian-gay-cure-group-a.html
:thumbs:
-
it's a give-and-take thing. Tebow suddenly gets to be the starting TE for the Patriots, so they had to give something back to the other team. (no pun intended)
I smell a Tebow scheme with some divine intervention
-
http://boingboing.net/2013/06/20/christian-gay-cure-group-a.html
That's quite a turnaround. Good for them.
yeah, I wonder what caused it. hopefully not lawsuits from familys of dead teens.
Obviously take these "changes in heart" with an incredible grain of salt. I doubt there's much else too it than at quick look at polls, which show that these groups will quickly fade into oblivioin if they don't at the very least admit what we all already know; that these cure groups promote nothing but wrecked lives. Doesn't mean they won't try to find other "solutions" to their gay problem