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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2013, 09:12:39 PM »
hey guys, remember when ednksu had matured and overcome his anger problems and quit being an ignorant bad person on the board...?

yeah - me neither..
there is a difference between being stupidly (on my part) angry and unfairly blaming a student athlete/young man for actions and saying that a gay person is on the same level as a pedophile and using an archaic, unqualified, translation of the bible to espouse hate and intolerance.  Hating someone because of their basic humanity should be shouted down from all directions at all times.  That isn't unjustified anger, that is righteous condemnation.

PW didn't espouse any hatred. He didn't say the dude should burn in hell. He didn't say the dude should be kept from making his choice. He simply personally disagreed with the dude's choice. You may disagree with PW, half of the country may disagree with PW, but disagreement is not hatred. The words "bigot" and "hatred" get thrown around far too easily these days. Of the two of you, you were the one who displayed anger. You verbally berated PW for merely daring to hold an opinion other than your own.

Also, as for his temptation comparison.. He wasn't comparing gays to pedophiles. He also included extra-marital sex in that comparison. Do you actually think he views those three things as comparable? He was talking about temptation itself. He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.
"I started calling him John during the game, cause he was rocking it like No. 7 -- like Elway," Harper said."

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2013, 09:12:59 PM »
Oh you're one of THOSE people, like the Klan who use scripture as justification for burning crosses in yards of unsuspecting niggers, spics, and jews.  Got it.

Yep, exactly like that.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2013, 09:14:11 PM »
Collins is wrong in his choice.

This viewpoint is as valid as any other, more so than most.

Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.

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« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2013, 09:14:45 PM »
He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.

Sex outside of marriage (between man and woman) is sex outside of marriage (between man and woman), my man/woman.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2013, 09:15:22 PM »
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.

You sure, hemmy?

I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2013, 09:18:40 PM »
He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.

Sex outside of marriage (between man and woman) is sex outside of marriage (between man and woman), my man/woman.

I'm aware.
"I started calling him John during the game, cause he was rocking it like No. 7 -- like Elway," Harper said."

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« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2013, 09:22:38 PM »
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.

You sure, hemmy?

I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.


The bible is just a book. A boring one.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2013, 09:23:35 PM »
hey guys, remember when ednksu had matured and overcome his anger problems and quit being an ignorant bad person on the board...?

yeah - me neither..
there is a difference between being stupidly (on my part) angry and unfairly blaming a student athlete/young man for actions and saying that a gay person is on the same level as a pedophile and using an archaic, unqualified, translation of the bible to espouse hate and intolerance.  Hating someone because of their basic humanity should be shouted down from all directions at all times.  That isn't unjustified anger, that is righteous condemnation.

PW didn't espouse any hatred. He didn't say the dude should burn in hell. He didn't say the dude should be kept from making his choice. He simply personally disagreed with the dude's choice. You may disagree with PW, half of the country may disagree with PW, but disagreement is not hatred. The words "bigot" and "hatred" get thrown around far too easily these days. Of the two of you, you were the one who displayed anger. You verbally berated PW for merely daring to hold an opinion other than your own.

Also, as for his temptation comparison.. He wasn't comparing gays to pedophiles. He also included extra-marital sex in that comparison. Do you actually think he views those three things as comparable? He was talking about temptation itself. He chose his examples of temptation pretty poorly, granted.
You're just about as wrong as he is. 

When you refer to your God as "The" God and use that as a justification for why you are right, your views are mumped up and intolerant.  When you make a comparison of homosexuality and pedophilia it shows you have hate in your heart.  The comparison he is attempting to make isn't about temptation like you sneak a snickers on an off day of your diet.  The temptation as he uses it, is turning away from what he believes is God's word and giving into the lusts and gratifications that only carnal evils can provide.  Once again, a hateful position of gays.  Don't try and impose your secular definitions on VERY specific words being used here.  People are gay, in my opinion, because of nature and nurture, but to me that is still their humanity.  It is not a choice to give into demonic lustful desires.  Pedophilia is not a temptation of flesh, its a sign of someone with deep psychological issues who abuses the most vulnerable people in the world. 

He can hold his opinion, but it should be recognized for what it is.  A hate agenda which seeks to marginalize a large portion of the country.  Put to full use that mindset has been used to justify segregation and chattel slavery.  I'm not angry about it because he has not attacked any of my gay friends.  But I will not stand idly by and let hate and bigotry go unchallenged.  Once again, that isn't anger, that is standing up for what is right, what Jesus actually preached, and saying no, not today.  Today that stone should not be cast.
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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2013, 09:24:06 PM »
The bible is just a book. A boring one.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2013, 09:24:46 PM »
PW is the wrong guy to argue with.  No matter what, you lose.
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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2013, 09:26:44 PM »
PW is the wrong guy to argue with.  No matter what, you lose.

That's what I've always thought.

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« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2013, 09:27:07 PM »
I'm just worried there's an apocryphal scroll lost forever written in Jesus's own hand where is he all like "p.s. homosexuality is real and me and god are totally cool with it."

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2013, 09:28:14 PM »
Homosexuality is a simple temptation. (God doesn't tempt, he tells us this.)

The same as an unmarried man's choice to have sex with an unmarried woman. The same as a man's choice to have sex with a child.

He can resist, with Help.

I mean seriously....gays on the same level as pedophelia?  No way should you ever consider this kind of crap as being a good post or part of a good response.  Why don't you tell me about all the good things Hitler did too while you're at it.

A sin is a sin.  Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia, adultry, lying, lusting, cheating. 

I believe the point poetwarrior is making is that Collins is choosing to sin.  Just as we choose to lie, cheat, steal, or have sex outside of marriage.  All sins, no matter how many or how grievous separate us from God. It only takes one sin to separate us from God, that's why Jesus is needed. 

correct me if i'm wrong poetwarrior.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #88 on: April 29, 2013, 09:31:31 PM »
The bible is just a book. A boring one.

Your life is meaningless.
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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #89 on: April 29, 2013, 09:32:10 PM »
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.

You sure, hemmy?

I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.


The bible is just a book. A boring one.

Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2013, 09:36:36 PM »
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia

You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #91 on: April 29, 2013, 09:38:57 PM »
Being gay isn't a choice, dumbass.

You sure, hemmy?

I believe being tempted with the desire for the same sex is not a choice, but choosing to submit is a choice.


The bible is just a book. A boring one.

Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.

hey man, be quiet, i love those videos.
"I started calling him John during the game, cause he was rocking it like No. 7 -- like Elway," Harper said."

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #92 on: April 29, 2013, 09:39:31 PM »
Edna and MIR are really good at unknowingly memeing themselves.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2013, 09:40:31 PM »


My God loves gays the same way he loves the judgmental looking down their noses from their ivory towers at people who lead different lifestyles or make different choices. You'll feel better about yourself when you start taking people for who they are, all of them. My day was made brighter by this, sorry it had a negative effect on you.

My God loves all people, but hates sin.  I don't believe there is such a thing as a homosexual.  I believe it is a person that chooses to commit the sin of homosexuality. 

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2013, 09:41:13 PM »
Edna and MIR are really good at unknowingly memeing themselves.

"You're opinion is a hate agenda, and everyone should hate everyone who holds that opinion, that's called tolerance!!!"
Your rights end when they infringe on another American's rights.  Your opinion holds no value when you decry the humanity of others. 

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This is the same ultra conservative bullshit about freedom of religion being used to defend bigotry in the law.  That kind of crap should have ended with Heart of Atlanta
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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #95 on: April 29, 2013, 09:42:29 PM »
Edna and MIR are really good at unknowingly memeing themselves.

"You're opinion is a hate agenda, and everyone should hate everyone who holds that opinion, that's called tolerance!!!"

 :lol: you can do better than that, you have to do better than that

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« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2013, 09:44:22 PM »
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia

You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.

Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.

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« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2013, 09:47:13 PM »
The meme has reached defcon 4, lookout! :sdeek:
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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2013, 09:49:02 PM »
Homosexuality is a sin, as is pedophelia

You are seriously a horrible person, if I meet you irl I'll spit on you, Phelps.

Read Romans 1:18-28 and tell me how the Bible doesn't view homosexuality as a sin.
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« Reply #99 on: April 29, 2013, 09:49:03 PM »
Apparently one that can be interpreted however you want to fit whatever agenda you want to push and ignored in other cases to do things like watch sporting events and make youtube videos idolizing 20 year old boys.

You didn't hear that I didn't renew my ticket?