First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)

[Institutional Control]

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Point 1. The first 5 books of the Bible were derived principally from oral histories passed down through generations and, while they contain some tribal history, they also contain many fables, stories, issues of tribal rules and laws etc. There is no evidence that any primates human or otherwise have ever had the type of lifespans the Bible proposes.

Point 2. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for a worldwide flood as described in the Bible. In fact the geological and physical evidence specifically shows there was no worldwide flood...particularly in the last 10,000 years (within the YEC time lines)

Point 3. The so called "water canopy" is physically impossible...I could spend paragraphs on the science but instead I will simply refer you to a wonderful video which explains the scientific impossibility.

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And please...creationists...if you are going to regail me with all of your scientific proof of the flood...don't bother unless you are demonstrating via actual peer-reviewed publicly funded research,

published in legitimate scientific journals (things like SCIENCE, NATURE, THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PALEONTOLOGY ETC....

by actual scientists with degrees from accredited university ...not idiots with degrees in the "Philosophy of Science", or Theology, or business management.

BTW... I am not an atheist. But to I am a realist. To insist on literal interpretations of scripture to the denail of every single piece of scientific evidence is ignorant and does Christianity a disservice.
Source(s):
Research Scientist. College Professor

[steve dave]

global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.

source: the good book

this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.

[steve dave]

topical. great mother.

http://deadspin.com/brittney-griner-first-came-out-to-her-mother-in-the-nin-493147041?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

[Rage Against the McKee]

Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

How about geology and biology?

Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.

Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.

the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.

well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.

first time i've heard this. got any links?

I hadn't heard that either. It's pretty interesting stuff, though.

http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=3184

[CNS]

topical. great mother.

http://deadspin.com/brittney-griner-first-came-out-to-her-mother-in-the-nin-493147041?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Her mother is obvsly a non-believer.  The christian thing to do would have been to either shun her until she found Jesus or enroll her in some sexual change therapy to fix her.

[Dugout DickStone]

That person should be put down (humanely of course) like a sick dog, JFC 

Maybe you prefer this explanation.

Creation starts with a perfect world, perfect conditions, and perfect humans with no genetic mutations.
Paleontology has shown that there was 50% more oxygen in the pre-flood world, as well as twice the air pressure.
The "canopy theory" of water or ice surrounding the pre-flood globe would also block all UV rays and x-rays from the sun that cause us to age so rapidly. Things were a lot different before the flood.
After the flood life spans began to drop off dramatically.
I've heard variations of this explanation given by some very qualified scientists, and it makes the best sense given all the evidence.

Maybe the people who live in Iowa aren't such huge dumb fucks.

[CNS]

That person should be put down (humanely of course) like a sick dog, JFC 

Maybe you prefer this explanation.

Creation starts with a perfect world, perfect conditions, and perfect humans with no genetic mutations.
Paleontology has shown that there was 50% more oxygen in the pre-flood world, as well as twice the air pressure.
The "canopy theory" of water or ice surrounding the pre-flood globe would also block all UV rays and x-rays from the sun that cause us to age so rapidly. Things were a lot different before the flood.
After the flood life spans began to drop off dramatically.
I've heard variations of this explanation given by some very qualified scientists, and it makes the best sense given all the evidence.

Maybe the people who live in Iowa aren't such huge dumb fucks.

They didn't used to be, but things have deteriorated quickly post flood.

[Rams]

global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.

source: the good book

this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.

it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.

[Mr Bread]

global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.

source: the good book

this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.

it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.

I enjoy the belief in the authenticity/veracity of any one particular religion over the teaming multitude of other religions past and present. 

"I genuinely believe all this crazy, impossible stuff happened way back when and I will follow it faithfully."
"What about all that other competing crazy, impossible crap other people believe in?"
"Clearly false."
"Why?"
"Because Jesus."


The suspension of disbelief necessary is so very unsettling. 

[bubbles4ksu]

global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.

source: the good book

this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.

it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.

I enjoy the belief in the authenticity/veracity of any one particular religion over the teaming multitude of other religions past and present. 

"I genuinely believe all this crazy, impossible stuff happened way back when and I will follow it faithfully."
"What about all that other competing crazy, impossible crap other people believe in?"
"Clearly false."
"Why?"
"Because Jesus."


The suspension of disbelief necessary is so very unsettling.

satan made those 3,000 other religions to test your faith against your ability to reason. christianity has the one true satan as well as the one true god. and one of his most effective tools is reason.

[bubbles4ksu]

i'm worried that the thing i just typed might make sense to a really stupid person.

[Rams]

global flood less than 5,000 years ago wiping out all life on this planet (including dinosaurs) other than the people and animals on one big ass boat.

source: the good book

this is 2013 and people believe and argue for this being a real thing. horribly sad. not as sad as that same book causing people to believe and argue for people doing evil just because they are gay but sad.

it's pretty much on par with believing that god spoke directly to a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago and they accurately transcribed his message and through all the edits and interpretations and translations it remains absolutely accurate to this day...and then using that book as your moral compass. I really want to respect them and their opinions but it's just so rough ridin' hard to take them seriously.

I enjoy the belief in the authenticity/veracity of any one particular religion over the teaming multitude of other religions past and present. 

"I genuinely believe all this crazy, impossible stuff happened way back when and I will follow it faithfully."
"What about all that other competing crazy, impossible crap other people believe in?"
"Clearly false."
"Why?"
"Because Jesus."


The suspension of disbelief necessary is so very unsettling.

it would be easy to dismiss/ignore these people if the veracity of their belief and it's superiority weren't responsible for the overwhelming majority of all the death and suffering of innocent people since the dawn of time.

[Mr Bread]

Meh.  If it weren't religion it would have been something else.  Politics, class, race, ethnicity, resources, something.  Religion isn't the cause, it's just one of the excuses.  Humanity is the cause. 

[bubbles4ksu]

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21577043-american-christian-zealots-are-fighting-back-against-gay-rightsabroad-strange-bedfellows

tl;dnr

kansas affiliated preacher hates gays. travels to uganda to preach message. ugandans pass legislation mandating killing of gays.

[CNS]

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21577043-american-christian-zealots-are-fighting-back-against-gay-rightsabroad-strange-bedfellows

tl;dnr

kansas affiliated preacher hates gays. travels to uganda to preach message. ugandans pass legislation mandating killing of gays.

Picture at top of article: "Exit only - Not Entrance" 

Now let's go kill some human beings!

[fun muffin]

i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)

seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.

I'll take this.

Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.

Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct.  Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc.  Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it?  Of course not.

[ChiComCat]

i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)

seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.

I'll take this.

Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.

Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct.  Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc.  Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it?  Of course not.

So you concede that homosexuality is natural?  So God is making the mistake?

[fun muffin]

Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY


This is his testimony 

Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened. 

I just watched that first four minutes but that was pretty rough ridin' sad.

Well I have to hand it goEMAW, its resilient skepticism is second to none.

I believe the sadness you may perceive is this guys heart breaking for the LGBT community, that they haven't found the freedom that is in Christ.  This young man just wants everyone to experience the hope and grace that he does.  Now I can not speak for this guy, as I don't know him.  But I would imagine he still has homosexual temptations.  Which is fine.  Everyone has a thorn in their side.  The apostle Paul had one.  I have one, which I have shared with you.  And if he does give into the temptation, he does not lose his salvation.  He's a sinner just like everyone else.  Just like you and me.  Just because you are in Christ doesn't mean you magically stop sinning.  When we do give into temptation, whether it's this guy looking at gay porn or me looking at straight porn, those who are in Christ must go back to the Gospel.  Asking Jesus for forgiveness and to repent of our sin. 

I also find it funny, that it seems some people watched only 4 minutes of the video.  That is likely only reading the old testament and not the new.  (which apparently all of goEMAW does)

[fun muffin]

i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)

seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.

I'll take this.

Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.

Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct.  Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc.  Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it?  Of course not.

So you concede that homosexuality is natural?  So God is making the mistake?

No I will absolutely not concede that.  The Bible is quite clear it's not natural.  It is quite obviously against God's design.

[Rams]

I'll admit that I'm completely uneducated on Christianity. what is the difference between the old testament and new? what makes it new? who decided that was the actual word of God?

[steve dave]

I'll admit that I'm completely uneducated on Christianity. what is the difference between the old testament and new? what makes it new? who decided that was the actual word of God?

New testament is Jesus on

[fun muffin]

i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)

seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.

I'll take this.

Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.

Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct.  Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc.  Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it?  Of course not.

So you concede that homosexuality is natural?  So God is making the mistake?

No I will absolutely not concede that.  The Bible is quite clear it's not natural.  It is quite obviously against God's design.

Also this:  I previously mentioned, probably 10 pages ago, that homosexuality leads to self-destruction or the extinction of whatever species is doing this.  So my question is how is it natural for if it leads to extinction.?

Wouldn't natural selection remove something that leads to extinction?    I never did receive a satisfactory answer to this question.

Therefore, it seems to me that homosexuality is more of a learned behavior.

[steve dave]

God should wipe all gays out with another global flood.

[OK_Cat]

i would like a resident bible-beater to address same-sex relationships in the animal world (because animals don't have logic and reasoning skills, so they can't really choose to be anything)

seems to point to genetics, which would mean that they were born that way.

I'll take this.

Animals are going to hell. They break 3-4 commandments per day.

Just because you say that homosexuality is normal or natural because it happens in the animal kingdom does not mean it is morally correct.  Animals also eat each other alive, devour offspring, etc.  Should we imitate those things as well because animals do it?  Of course not.

So you concede that homosexuality is natural?  So God is making the mistake?

No I will absolutely not concede that.  The Bible is quite clear it's not natural.  It is quite obviously against God's design.

Also this:  I previously mentioned, probably 10 pages ago, that homosexuality leads to self-destruction or the extinction of whatever species is doing this.  So my question is how is it natural for if it leads to extinction.?

Wouldn't natural selection remove something that leads to extinction?    I never did receive a satisfactory answer to this question.

Therefore, it seems to me that homosexuality is more of a learned behavior.

you're not answering the question, muffin. 

does god make mistakes?

you'll say no, so if he doesn't make mistakes then why are animals in nature participating in this deviant lifestyle?  they aren't capable of logic and reason. 

[Rams]

God should wipe all gays out with another global flood.

he's not done torturing and making an example of them yet.