First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)

[Cire]

So fan muffin has a bible that no one else reads because his cult didn't like the translation?   Muffin post a picture of your bible.

[PoetWarrior]

I'm still curious how a modern viewpoint can condemn any opinion or belief? From what origin/basis/truth can this be done?

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

I'm still curious how a modern viewpoint can condemn any opinion or belief? From what origin/basis/truth can this be done?

SPK ENG pls, TIA!

[fun muffin]

So fan muffin has a bible that no one else reads because his cult didn't like the translation?   Muffin post a picture of your bible.

Everyone I know uses either the ESV or NIV.  I use the ESV.   These are the versions you will find in most churches.

[Cire]

I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw

[PoetWarrior]

I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw

But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?

[steve dave]

I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw

But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?

The old respect my right to be a bigot talking point. Classic.

[PoetWarrior]

But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?

The old respect my right to be a bigot talking point. Classic.

It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.

One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.

None here wrestle or grasp.

[steve dave]

But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?

The old respect my right to be a bigot talking point. Classic.

It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.

One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.

None here wrestle or grasp.

You can wrestle with your decision whether or not to hate those different than yourself. I'm comfortable with my decision not to.

[Asteriskhead]

It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.

One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.

None here wrestle or grasp.

Your bolded assertion is unfounded. Take your pandering elsewhere, bigot.

[MakeItRain]

I guess it's because i believe all are created equal pw

But if I'm your equal, shouldn't my opinion be equal to yours?

You have your right to your opinion, to infer that anyone thinks otherwise is stupid. There is no such things as equal opinions some are more correct than others. I'm guessing you'd have issues with the opinion that evangelicals have Su standard intellects.

[Dugout DickStone]

Was just listening to a podcast of the Dan LeBatard show and Stan VanGundy wondered why God would make someone gay and then condemn them for being so.

He also made woman but then said she is inferior. Kind of nutty

[SdK]

I never get past the childbirth to pay for the sin of Eve part guys. Should I try hard guys?

[Dugout DickStone]

I never get past the childbirth to pay for the sin of Eve part guys. Should I try hard guys?

It's right there in some Bibles

[PoetWarrior]

You have your right to your opinion, to infer that anyone thinks otherwise is stupid. There is no such things as equal opinions some are more correct than others. I'm guessing you'd have issues with the opinion that evangelicals have Su standard intellects.

I'm not saying I want a right (from your viewpoint), I want my opinion to be of equal value to yours, because you have no base/something that says it shouldn't be. I want to know what the something is. You say there is no such thing and you're right, but that is supported in my view and not in yours. Your view disagrees with your words and proves me correct.

[PoetWarrior]

The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.

[PoetWarrior]

It's a question into your existential beliefs, steve dave.

One that should be wrestled with, then grasped.

None here wrestle or grasp.

Your bolded assertion is unfounded. Take your pandering elsewhere, bigot.

It's supported by the fact that no one has come close to even approaching my question, let alone answering it with any insight, friend.

[_33]

Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments.  Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint.  They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different.  Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God.  That is a valid point of view.  Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful.  You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so.  But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them.  Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.

[SdK]

I never get past the childbirth to pay for the sin of Eve part guys. Should I try hard guys?

It's right there in some Bibles

I was housesitting and there was a bible next to the bed, so I decided to start reading it. I got to that part and put it back down.

[steve dave]

Thinking someone is a "sinner" simply for being what they are is being a bigot. It's no different than saying a black person is a "sinner" for being black.

[PoetWarrior]

I just saw a jewelry commercial where a man described his wife as his "everything" and the "center of the universe". His wife, apparently, is the basis for his entire life and the only thing that gives his life meaning.  He's a clown, but this is the sort of answer I'm looking for from you people.

[PoetWarrior]

Thinking someone is a "sinner" simply for being what they are is being a bigot. It's no different than saying a black person is a "sinner" for being black.

This is, and always has been, an incredible insult to all black people.

[michigancat]

Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments.  Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint.  They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different.  Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God.  That is a valid point of view.  Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful.  You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so.  But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them.  Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.

in this case, the person IS the "sin".  You can't separate the two.

so really, they're hating the person (who isn't hurting ANYONE), no differently than someone hating someone for having pale skin or a lisp. I think that calling that bigotry is fair.

[PoetWarrior]

in this case, the person IS the "sin".  You can't separate the two.

so really, they're hating the person (who isn't hurting ANYONE), no differently than someone hating someone for having pale skin or a lisp. I think that calling that bigotry is fair.

You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).

We know that people, like us, are tempted with homosexuality and submit to it.

Again, a sickening insult to those with pale skin or lisps.

['taterblast]

You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).