First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)

[CNS]

rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole

Every once in a while we open a window around here to the thought process of others that really disturbs me.

[Belvis Noland]

like Limestone said, c-gazing.  I mean, especially in an NBA lockeroom, this Collins guy's gotta be in heaven, no?

[Rage Against the McKee]

rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole

Every once in a while we open a window around here to the thought process of others that really disturbs me.

The Birther Pit never gets anywhere close to this bad, though. This is sort of approaching GPC World Forum territory.

[CNS]

rough ridin' hate it when the birther pit escapes its hole

Every once in a while we open a window around here to the thought process of others that really disturbs me.

The Birther Pit never gets anywhere close to this bad, though. This is sort of approaching GPC World Forum territory.

Approaching, yes, but still far away.  I mean, we would need Fun Muffin to invite like 6 friends and them all to agree that since there is a decent sized group of them that they could go full bigot/racist/sexist and just post away all willy nilly. 

Also, BigracistWillie20 would be there  'ing it up.

[ednksu]

haven't been reading every single post in this thread because it got pretty stupid there for a minute but has anyone compared it to magic johnson yet? has magic said anything? i understand comparing hiv and homosexuality are for the most part different but their integration into the nba could be similar.

probably luked, but i like the talking point more than the stupid bible debate.

Are you saying aids is for the gays?

Interesting history on that and a resistance to treating and researching the disease because of the multitute of issues surroudning "GRID".

[michigancat]

a little c-gazing never hurt anybody

[puniraptor]

I like to call it meat gazing. To each his own though.

[SdK]

I just look at their eyes and smile at them until they look up from my downtown. That moment where the realize I watched them gaze is fun.

[michigancat]

We really could have a c-gazing master thread.

[fun muffin]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?

[michigancat]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!

[fun muffin]

I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.

Please understand that I don't hate homosexuals.  I wouldn't care if my neighbor is gay.

But, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin and the solution to the problem of sin (the breaking of God's Law, 1 John 3:4) is found only in Jesus.  He is the Lord, the Savior, the risen King. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14) and he died to save sinners.  We are all sinners and we need salvation (Eph. 2:8-9) that is found in receiving Christ (John 1:12-13).

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that I won't love him (or her) or pray for him (her).  Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible.  It needs to be laid at the cross and forsaken.

This part is for everyone to read, but especially any other Christians on here

We Christians should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as we would for any other person trapped in any other sin.  This is not an issue of arrogance or judgmentalism. We don't want anyone to be lost due to their sin and that includes gays, lesbians, and transgenders.

The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he (or she) is in rebellion.  Therefore, we Christians should show homosexuals the same dignity as anyone else with whom we come in contact.  Don't injure them.  Don't hate them.  Don't judge them.  Inform them that freedom and forgiveness are found in Jesus.  Let them know that God loves us and died for us so that we might be delivered from the consequences of our sin.

But, this does not mean that you are to approve of what they do.  Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of rationality, godliness, and biblical truth.  Instead, stand firm in the word that God has revealed and patiently love him/her biblically, and pray for their salvation.  Be kind to them.  Be loving.  And, when appropriate, tell them the gospel.

[fun muffin]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?

I believe it is natural, however, it is sinful. 

It's natural for a man and a woman to have sex.  They can create life.  It's not natural for 2 bros (or women) to have sex because our species would become extinct.

Also, I appreciate Limestone's question asking ability.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?

I believe it is natural, however, it is sinful. 

It's natural for a man and a woman to have sex.  They can create life.  It's not natural for 2 bros (or women) to have sex because our species would become extinct.

Also, I appreciate Limestone's question asking ability.

So, anything that can create life is natural?

[420seriouscat69]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!

Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.

[EMAWmeister]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

How is pre-marital sex between a man and a woman NOT natural?

I believe it is natural, however, it is sinful. 

It's natural for a man and a woman to have sex.  They can create life.  It's not natural for 2 bros (or women) to have sex because our species would become extinct.

Also, I appreciate Limestone's question asking ability.

Lots of things about sex are unnatural. Love is a natural human emotion. Why do you love the people you love? Probably for the same reasons homosexuals love the people they love.

[fun muffin]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!

Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.

I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection.  But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.

[michigancat]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!

Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.

I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection.  But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.

it makes them gay, not infertile. And there are theories on the benefits of homosexuality to the gene pool.

 http://chronicle.com/article/The-Evolutionary-Mystery-of/135762/

[michigancat]

I don't care if poet and muffin are bigots as long as they don't try to treat others unequally. Just saying they don't like homosexuality is totally their right.

Please understand that I don't hate homosexuals.  I wouldn't care if my neighbor is gay.

But, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin and the solution to the problem of sin (the breaking of God's Law, 1 John 3:4) is found only in Jesus.  He is the Lord, the Savior, the risen King. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14) and he died to save sinners.  We are all sinners and we need salvation (Eph. 2:8-9) that is found in receiving Christ (John 1:12-13).

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that I won't love him (or her) or pray for him (her).  Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible.  It needs to be laid at the cross and forsaken.

This part is for everyone to read, but especially any other Christians on here

We Christians should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as we would for any other person trapped in any other sin.  This is not an issue of arrogance or judgmentalism. We don't want anyone to be lost due to their sin and that includes gays, lesbians, and transgenders.

The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he (or she) is in rebellion.  Therefore, we Christians should show homosexuals the same dignity as anyone else with whom we come in contact.  Don't injure them.  Don't hate them.  Don't judge them.  Inform them that freedom and forgiveness are found in Jesus.  Let them know that God loves us and died for us so that we might be delivered from the consequences of our sin.

But, this does not mean that you are to approve of what they do.  Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of rationality, godliness, and biblical truth.  Instead, stand firm in the word that God has revealed and patiently love him/her biblically, and pray for their salvation.  Be kind to them.  Be loving.  And, when appropriate, tell them the gospel.

stop copying and pasting from that dumb website

[Stevesie60]

This is a fantastic thread.

But chalk me up as someone who is asking why this is such a big deal. 

I guess I ask because for one reason or another I've been around quite a few gay people in my life.   Neighbors, co-workers, customers, friends . . . and it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Probably because sports are such a focal point of our society and a source of role models for many kids, all while being perceived as being unaccepting of homosexuality as a part of the inherent macho culture.

Well said, 8man.

[ednksu]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!

Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.

I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection.  But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.

How do you feel about homosexuality occurring naturally in nature?

[EMAWmeister]

Yeah, I have a Christian mindset, but I also don't believe everything in the Bible. I think it's cult like not to question certain things. It is not a choice, like Abe said, it's natural. My uncle has really opened my eyes on this issue and it's a shame there are still do many blind individuals out there on this topic.

Help me understand how homosexuality is natural.

I believe it can't be natural, because the human race would become extinct.  2 bros can't make a baby.  Our bodies aren't designed that way.

I think by "natural" he means "genetic". Genes are crazy, man!

Yup. It's natural for them, cause those are the emotions/feelings that run through their body and brain because of their gene out make.

I'm no expert on evolution and natural selection.  But it seems like natural selection would eliminate these supposed genes that won't contribute to the growth of the human race.

BROWNBACK 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Guys, I'm not sure where this fits since apparently you can't choose who you eff, you're just born that way, but what about the Bis? 

I know these guys were both weird as crap, but Dennis Rodman and Jarrod Cooper were both openly bisexual and played major MENS sports. Why don't they get any love?  Is bi not gay enough?


Also, Matt Dougherty has been openly gay forever and has been involved in basketball for just as long.  He should get some respect too. #equality

[Stevesie60]

Pretty sure Cooper was gay, not bisexual. And I don't think that was ever public, but I don't really know, I was like 10 when he played here.