First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)

[fun muffin]

Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much.  I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.

I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?

I feel burdened by my heterosexuality.  I am very very attracted to women.  And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn.  Now, I haven't look at porn in several months.  I don't even desire to look at it anymore.  I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus.  Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire. 

[MakeItRain]

OK, I now know why you argue every tiny little insignificant point to the death in paragraph form.  It's because you equate having a strong opinion and belittling everyone who doesn't share it with being a man.  Weird.

Nothing to do with being a man, you are wagging your finger at others with opinions without espousing one anyway because you want to be liked by some strangers on the internet. People will still laugh at your posts and videos if you just say you agree with poet warrior and fun muffin. fight your own battle and stop hiding behind others, you coward.

[fun muffin]

Behold, a message from a Kansas State student who has found JOY


This is his testimony 

Perhaps your hearts will be enlightened. 

[MakeItRain]

Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much.  I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.

I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?

I feel burdened by my heterosexuality.  I am very very attracted to women.  And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn.  Now, I haven't look at porn in several months.  I don't even desire to look at it anymore.  I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus.  Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.

you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality

[salcat]

Where does looking at porn get you?

[fun muffin]

Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much.  I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.

I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?

I feel burdened by my heterosexuality.  I am very very attracted to women.  And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn.  Now, I haven't look at porn in several months.  I don't even desire to look at it anymore.  I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus.  Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.

you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality

forgive me

[MakeItRain]

What does that have to do with my post? Did I say something about your race that I was unaware of? Please tell me about the struggle of being black and why comparing it to the struggle of homosexuals to gain acceptance is such an insult?

You're implying that I know nothing of it. But to answer the question, people are born black or another color. That's a fact. We can see it with our eyes. Homosexuals: inconclusive at best.

I wasn't implying that at all. Makes sense that you did that though seeing as how you take the same tact with the bible and gay people saying that they are born gay and you not believing them. for the record I was prepared to talk about some civil rights pioneers also taking up the case of the human rights of gays. Your race is of no significance to me nor should it be.

[fun muffin]

Where does looking at porn get you?

Huh?  What do you mean "Where"?  It gets me into sin, because I'm lusting after the girl on the screen.  So it gets me further away from Jesus. 

I hope i answered that correctly because that is an unusual question.

[MakeItRain]

Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much.  I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.

I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?

I feel burdened by my heterosexuality.  I am very very attracted to women.  And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn.  Now, I haven't look at porn in several months.  I don't even desire to look at it anymore.  I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus.  Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.

you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality

forgive me

Lets try again, this time staying on topic. Do you or anyone else you know agonize at, possibly to the point of ending your life, at the possibility that you love women?

I'll keep saying this, poet warrior keeps ignoring it, being gay is about who you love not who you have sex with. I can go and put a penis in my mouth but that doesn't make me gay.

[salcat]

Where does looking at porn get you?

Huh?  What do you mean "Where"?  It gets me into sin, because I'm lusting after the girl on the screen.  So it gets me further away from Jesus. 

I hope i answered that correctly because that is an unusual question.

Good answer. That was a dumb question that just came to my mind.

[sys]

Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin?

just an off the cuff guess, but i'd venture that it might have had something to do with differentiating judaism and later christianity from the dominant polytheistic cultures of the mediterranean, which i believe were largely accepting of homo/bisexuality.

[sys]

I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

that's not god's grace, that's just getting old.  same thing happened to me; i'm an atheist.

[star seed 7]

I was just watching die hard 2 on hbozone, and when it was done i started to read bbs's and not pay attention to what came on next.   Just looked up and it's softcore porn... I'm going to hell 

[ednksu]

The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.[/color][/font][/size][/b]

Agreed.  Tell fun muffin

Spoken like people who are uneducated and are trying to duck the point.

[cfbandyman]

Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin?

just an off the cuff guess, but i'd venture that it might have had something to do with differentiating judaism and later christianity from the dominant polytheistic cultures of the mediterranean, which i believe were largely accepting of homo/bisexuality.

I would agree with this, as a religion that came from Judaism, it stands to be reasonable that Jewish thoughts on sexuality would be perpetuated in Christianity, see: Paul.

[SdK]

God, grant me the serenity to accept things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Amen.

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[j-dub]

Why does the Bible say homosexuality is a sin?

just an off the cuff guess, but i'd venture that it might have had something to do with differentiating judaism and later christianity from the dominant polytheistic cultures of the mediterranean, which i believe were largely accepting of homo/bisexuality.

yeah. that was the reason for much of the OT dietary laws as well.. The Israelites were to be "a people set apart"..

[j-dub]

Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

How about geology and biology?

Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.

Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.

the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.

[steve dave]

Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

How about geology and biology?

Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.

Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.

the evolution/creation debates based on the creation accounts in Genesis are misguided. fundamentalist christianity has done itself and everyone else a disservice by refusing to consider anything but a literal 6 day creation. the early church fathers held several different views concerning how old the world was, whether or not Genesis was to be taken literally, etc.. most did not adhere to the literal 6 day creation view.

well, the book of exodus is a manufactured story to try to fit the history of the jewish people into the prophesies/timeline of genesis. I mean, the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. that may be one of the "archaeology" proving the bible wrong things fun muffin was talking about but it may just be history proving it wrong. then they stretched the average jewish lifespan to around 150 years to try to fit it into the calendar. once you do that much work to try to validate older stories by creating new ones you can't just pitch it all.

[fun muffin]

I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

that's not god's grace, that's just getting old.  same thing happened to me; i'm an atheist.

I don't know sys, i'm only 24.  When I say I was addicted to that stuff, I mean I was ADDICTED!!  Only a few short years later and boom, no porn.  I think that's hardly getting old considering how old i am.

[fun muffin]

Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much.  I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.

I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?

I feel burdened by my heterosexuality.  I am very very attracted to women.  And I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

I mean in high school and early college years I was addicted to porn.  Now, I haven't look at porn in several months.  I don't even desire to look at it anymore.  I used to be a slave to this sin, but now I have been set free by Jesus.  Now when I get married, I am so excited to look into my wife's eyes and tell her that her naked body is the only one i desire.

you're talking about sex, not heterosexuality

forgive me

Lets try again, this time staying on topic. Do you or anyone else you know agonize at, possibly to the point of ending your life, at the possibility that you love women?

I'll keep saying this, poet warrior keeps ignoring it, being gay is about who you love not who you have sex with. I can go and put a penis in my mouth but that doesn't make me gay.

did you watch the youtube?  I would listen to that guy more than me, because he is the one who actually lived what we are talking about.  I feel his perspective will bring us all more understanding than anything. 

[Institutional Control]

I've struggled with lust, masturbation, pornography all my life.  But by God's grace those sins are becoming less and less common in my life.

that's not god's grace, that's just getting old.  same thing happened to me; i'm an atheist.

I don't know sys, i'm only 24.  When I say I was addicted to that stuff, I mean I was ADDICTED!!  Only a few short years later and boom, no porn.  I think that's hardly getting old considering how old i am.

But you probably have less free time on your hands, so to speak, than you did back when you were beating off every 10 minutes.

[CNS]

Is lust ok when it is directed toward your wife?  I ask because there is a huge difference between lust and love and ppl exercise both inside a perfectly normal marriage daily.

If lust is sinful, would someone be sinning while banging their wife in a hot Victoria Secrets outfit? 

I mean, if love is all that is allowed, the population of earth would be much farther behind than it is now.

Also, if God wants us to completely dominate the Earth and make it our bitch, what does he/she think about population density?  Shouldn't good Christians be out conquering the wild so that we can dominate it?

Also, I haven't watched the YouTube yet, but assume it is about a kid who was* gay and no longer is**.  If that is the case, I would bet a decent amt of money that he either ends up killing himself or back to loving men


Pro Tips:
* - still is
** - d00d is def still gay.

[Cire]

or bisexual

[8manpick]

in this case, the person IS the "sin".  You can't separate the two.

so really, they're hating the person (who isn't hurting ANYONE), no differently than someone hating someone for having pale skin or a lisp. I think that calling that bigotry is fair.

You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).

We know that people, like us, are tempted with homosexuality and submit to it.

Again, a sickening insult to those with pale skin or lisps.

eff you