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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #225 on: September 21, 2021, 10:35:42 PM »
For those unfamiliar with competitive cheer her is my daughters level 4 team from 2 years ago.

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #226 on: September 21, 2021, 10:52:13 PM »
Would you skip your kid's 6th grad fball game (I've never missed a single game in like a gazillion games, btw. well, maybe like some indoor soccer game or something years ago) to watch the Cats play OU in two weeks, especially if we're still undefeated?

I'm 95% to a decision.

2011 CF3 would go to the Cats game. 2021 CF3 would go to the 6th grade fball game. I have had to miss kid stuff (soccer games, piano stuff etc) for work a few times, but that's life. I did skip a lil CF3 basketball game a few years ago to attend a Chiefs playoff game. It wasn't a big deal to lil CF3 but I probably would choose to skip the Chiefs if it happens again.

Anytime I have missed a game or an event, I ALWAYS do a special time with Dad afterwards. A dinner, an arcade, a trip to the zoo, etc. So if you do go to the Cats game, give nicname jr plenty of extra time afterwards.

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #227 on: September 22, 2021, 05:26:50 AM »
It sounds like the coaches are being extremely reckless and irresponsible and putting kids in danger but I don't know the sport. Are there other, maybe less intense club options?

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For high school girls and college women, cheerleading is far more dangerous than any other sport, according to a new report that adds several previously unreported cases of serious injuries to a growing list.

High school cheerleading accounted for 65.1 percent of all catastrophic sports injuries among high school females over the past 25 years, according to an annual report released Monday by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research.

The new estimate is up from 55 percent in last year's study. The researches say the true number of cheerleading injuries appears to be higher than they had previously thought. And these are not ankle sprains. The report counts fatal, disabling and serious injuries.

The statistics are equally grim in college, where cheerleading accounted for 66.7 percent of all female sports catastrophic injuries, compared to the past estimate of 59.4 percent.

That being said IC, I have a daughter just starting cheer, non competitive at this point. We're aware of the dangers and we're going to let her do it as much as she wants. She's a dancer so I hope she ditches cheer for dance but she'll make that choice. She's very tall and muscular so she won't be doing aerials, so that's helpful too.

If she's good at it and it's a spark for her, don't take it away, there's risk in everything and she won't have a lifetime of what ifs. If it becomes too dangerous for her to handle, she'll make the decision herself.
I mean, there could be a bunch of irresponsible coaches.

Anecdotally, we have a good friend who's been in high-level ballet for several years. The family poured a ton of time and money into training or whatever at the San Francisco ballet. She/they thought she was on track to getting picked up by a professional ballet in high school or something, it was basically this kid's life for the last 5 or so years.

This year, San Francisco didn't invite her back, so she ended up "stepping down" to Berkeley Ballet, and she's absolutely loving it. San Francisco was like a job, but Berkeley is fun for her - she's actually showing her parents steps she learned which she never did at SF and is just really enjoying ut.

Obviously you (IC) know your daughter's situation best, but sometimes a change of scenery isn't necessarily a bad thing, even if it's less competitive.

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #228 on: September 22, 2021, 10:16:21 AM »
We have three kids. At the beginning of school/sports season a year ago we pulled all of them out of basically everything due to COVID concerns. My dad lives close by, he's a cancer survivor, and we're the only people that he knows within like a 500 mile radius, so we were being extra cautious.

Our younger two were okay with everything, and sort of relished the ridiculous amount of time that they now had to play video games (which drove me crazy, a year on after the vaccine we have them back in activities again). The oldest one, without soccer, was absolutely despondent. After about a month and a half after consulting with our pediatrician we decided to let him go back to playing. The change in his demeanor was immediate and striking. We could actually be around him again.

All that is to say is that there are no obviously correct answers. There are risks and costs to all of this, both in doing some of these things, but in not doing them as well.

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« Reply #229 on: September 22, 2021, 10:22:40 AM »
While we're discussing this, it's amazing how little middle school administrators care about middle school sports. Club sports definitely go harder. My daughter has had back to back cross country meets cancelled on total bullshit. Last Thursday she couldn't run because their bus was cancelled. They didn't give parents the option of taking our own kids to the meet. Yesterday the meet was cancelled by the host school because of a thunderstorm watch. Not thunder, not rain, not a thunderstorm warning, just a watch. It ended up raining for 10 minutes, an hour and a half before the meet was scheduled to start. The Ames coaches didn't practice after the cancellation.

crap is frustrating.

Unsurprisingly, middle school football here in Texas gets taken pretty seriously. Maybe volleyball too (I don't have any girls, so I'm not sure). Middle school basketball was an okay, but not great experience for my kid. And middle school soccer is an absolute utter complete joke in our district.

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #230 on: September 22, 2021, 10:41:10 AM »
Would you skip your kid's 6th grad fball game (I've never missed a single game in like a gazillion games, btw. well, maybe like some indoor soccer game or something years ago) to watch the Cats play OU in two weeks, especially if we're still undefeated?

I'm 95% to a decision.

2011 CF3 would go to the Cats game. 2021 CF3 would go to the 6th grade fball game. I have had to miss kid stuff (soccer games, piano stuff etc) for work a few times, but that's life. I did skip a lil CF3 basketball game a few years ago to attend a Chiefs playoff game. It wasn't a big deal to lil CF3 but I probably would choose to skip the Chiefs if it happens again.

Anytime I have missed a game or an event, I ALWAYS do a special time with Dad afterwards. A dinner, an arcade, a trip to the zoo, etc. So if you do go to the Cats game, give nicname jr plenty of extra time afterwards.

Good suggestion. Ty
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« Reply #231 on: September 22, 2021, 11:18:43 AM »
Would you skip your kid's 6th grad fball game (I've never missed a single game in like a gazillion games, btw. well, maybe like some indoor soccer game or something years ago) to watch the Cats play OU in two weeks, especially if we're still undefeated?

I'm 95% to a decision.

2011 CF3 would go to the Cats game. 2021 CF3 would go to the 6th grade fball game. I have had to miss kid stuff (soccer games, piano stuff etc) for work a few times, but that's life. I did skip a lil CF3 basketball game a few years ago to attend a Chiefs playoff game. It wasn't a big deal to lil CF3 but I probably would choose to skip the Chiefs if it happens again.

Anytime I have missed a game or an event, I ALWAYS do a special time with Dad afterwards. A dinner, an arcade, a trip to the zoo, etc. So if you do go to the Cats game, give nicname jr plenty of extra time afterwards.

Good suggestion. Ty

Go to the kid's game, man. You're going spend the whole time thinking about how he's doing then more time convincing yourself you did the right thing by not going to his game. If he did something awesome and you missed it you'll hate that too. I missed one of my daughter's soccer games ever, it was for work, she got her first hat trick.

Go to his game, watch the cats game with him after, come up to Manhattan to farmageddon and mock flood aggie fans.

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« Reply #232 on: September 22, 2021, 11:26:47 AM »
It sounds like the coaches are being extremely reckless and irresponsible and putting kids in danger but I don't know the sport. Are there other, maybe less intense club options?

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For high school girls and college women, cheerleading is far more dangerous than any other sport, according to a new report that adds several previously unreported cases of serious injuries to a growing list.

High school cheerleading accounted for 65.1 percent of all catastrophic sports injuries among high school females over the past 25 years, according to an annual report released Monday by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research.

The new estimate is up from 55 percent in last year's study. The researches say the true number of cheerleading injuries appears to be higher than they had previously thought. And these are not ankle sprains. The report counts fatal, disabling and serious injuries.

The statistics are equally grim in college, where cheerleading accounted for 66.7 percent of all female sports catastrophic injuries, compared to the past estimate of 59.4 percent.

That being said IC, I have a daughter just starting cheer, non competitive at this point. We're aware of the dangers and we're going to let her do it as much as she wants. She's a dancer so I hope she ditches cheer for dance but she'll make that choice. She's very tall and muscular so she won't be doing aerials, so that's helpful too.

If she's good at it and it's a spark for her, don't take it away, there's risk in everything and she won't have a lifetime of what ifs. If it becomes too dangerous for her to handle, she'll make the decision herself.
I mean, there could be a bunch of irresponsible coaches.

Anecdotally, we have a good friend who's been in high-level ballet for several years. The family poured a ton of time and money into training or whatever at the San Francisco ballet. She/they thought she was on track to getting picked up by a professional ballet in high school or something, it was basically this kid's life for the last 5 or so years.

This year, San Francisco didn't invite her back, so she ended up "stepping down" to Berkeley Ballet, and she's absolutely loving it. San Francisco was like a job, but Berkeley is fun for her - she's actually showing her parents steps she learned which she never did at SF and is just really enjoying ut.

Obviously you (IC) know your daughter's situation best, but sometimes a change of scenery isn't necessarily a bad thing, even if it's less competitive.

I know you aren't meaning to do so but chalking up cheer injuries to reckless coaching is very reductive. We don't do that with any sport, why are we doing it here? Of course there are going to be some knuckleheads, like with anything else, but cheer is a very dangerous sport. I mean we're talking about quickly stacking and unstacking bodies and throwing and catching humans.

That being said there are very real and deep seeded issues with cheers governing body, they have the ability to make the sport safer on and off the mat but they refuse to do so.

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« Reply #233 on: September 22, 2021, 11:40:08 AM »
I'm pretty sure I've criticized youth football coaching as a factor in concussions on this blog, and there's definitely been talk of baseball coaches ruining the throwing arms of kids from overuse.

But I definitely don't know cheer and will defer to people who know more.

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« Reply #234 on: September 22, 2021, 11:56:15 AM »
@MakeItRain I’m going to nicnamejr’s game, which was the way I was leaning the whole time. Actually refreshing to see gE be basically unanimous here. I didn’t expect it. And wouldn’t expect it would be the same on most “fan” boards.

Anyway, back to the more interesting discussion surrounding competitive cheer. <——— not gEing
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« Reply #235 on: September 22, 2021, 12:05:42 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've criticized youth football coaching as a factor in concussions on this blog, and there's definitely been talk of baseball coaches ruining the throwing arms of kids from overuse.

But I definitely don't know cheer and will defer to people who know more.

It seems obvious to me that cheer can be dangerous relative to other sports, and that poor coaching can make injuries more likely in an already hazardous activity.

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« Reply #236 on: September 22, 2021, 12:47:36 PM »


I'm pretty sure I've criticized youth football coaching as a factor in concussions on this blog, and there's definitely been talk of baseball coaches ruining the throwing arms of kids from overuse.

But I definitely don't know cheer and will defer to people who know more.

It seems obvious to me that cheer can be dangerous relative to other sports, and that poor coaching can make injuries more likely in an already hazardous activity.

Yes both can absolutely be true

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« Reply #237 on: September 22, 2021, 02:34:41 PM »


I'm pretty sure I've criticized youth football coaching as a factor in concussions on this blog, and there's definitely been talk of baseball coaches ruining the throwing arms of kids from overuse.

But I definitely don't know cheer and will defer to people who know more.

It seems obvious to me that cheer can be dangerous relative to other sports, and that poor coaching can make injuries more likely in an already hazardous activity.

Yes both can absolutely be true

100% agree, we just don't know from IC's story if the injuries are due to coaching negligence. If y'all didn't watch the video he posted, competitive cheer is much different than what you see on sidelines or courtside of High School X in 99% of schools across the country.

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« Reply #238 on: September 22, 2021, 02:42:42 PM »
@MakeItRain I’m going to nicnamejr’s game, which was the way I was leaning the whole time. Actually refreshing to see gE be basically unanimous here. I didn’t expect it. And wouldn’t expect it would be the same on most “fan” boards.

Anyway, back to the more interesting discussion surrounding competitive cheer. <——— not gEing

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #239 on: September 23, 2021, 05:34:47 PM »
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRpBgDDm/

#2 sent that to me this morning.  Guilty as charged I guess.


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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #240 on: September 23, 2021, 06:52:50 PM »
lmao that is exactly how it be

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« Reply #241 on: September 23, 2021, 07:32:46 PM »
That cracked my 10 year old son up as much as me. (This is the reason I don’t coach him)
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« Reply #242 on: September 23, 2021, 08:05:08 PM »
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRpBgDDm/

#2 sent that to me this morning.  Guilty as charged I guess.


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Lmao.

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