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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #17225 on: November 20, 2024, 05:03:11 PM »
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1858965394435809594

I'm certain this was pointed out in the replies to this tweet. Greenwald needs to stop masquerading as a person with smart ideas, or he needs to be more calculated when he's openly misleading people. Tulsi Gabbard retired from the Army in 2020, right before the shift in her ideology, and 4 years before her full embrace of MAGA.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #17226 on: November 20, 2024, 05:50:25 PM »
This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

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« Reply #17227 on: November 20, 2024, 09:17:05 PM »
I think the people have overwhelmingly spoken, and that the department of education should be dismantled. Let these people pay the full cost of lunch for their kids during the school year and let them tell them they can't go to college because there aren't any loans available.

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« Reply #17228 on: November 20, 2024, 09:51:28 PM »
LBJ was a bad president but title I money is legitimately one of the best things in education in terms of giving kids in poor tax base schools more equitable resources.

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« Reply #17229 on: November 20, 2024, 10:14:07 PM »
Name a good president tankie cat. I’LL WAIT


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« Reply #17230 on: November 20, 2024, 10:33:26 PM »
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1858965394435809594

I'm certain this was pointed out in the replies to this tweet. Greenwald needs to stop masquerading as a person with smart ideas, or he needs to be more calculated when he's openly misleading people. Tulsi Gabbard retired from the Army in 2020, right before the shift in her ideology, and 4 years before her full embrace of MAGA.
So is she or is she not a “Russian Asset” ?

Why did she “embrace” MAGA MIR? What was the primary catalyst?

FYI - Wiki still has her as being in the reserves.




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« Reply #17231 on: November 20, 2024, 10:39:16 PM »
LBJ was a bad president but title I money is legitimately one of the best things in education in terms of giving kids in poor tax base schools more equitable resources.

Sorry, Kat Kid. The people have spoken, and those poor kids aren't important to us.

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« Reply #17232 on: November 21, 2024, 05:54:36 AM »
LBJ was a bad president but title I money is legitimately one of the best things in education in terms of giving kids in poor tax base schools more equitable resources.

Sorry, Kat Kid. The people have spoken, and those poor kids aren't important to us.
Admitting that helps poor people is a waste of time and money

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« Reply #17233 on: November 21, 2024, 07:53:18 AM »
@steve dave

FDR, Lincoln probably my favorite two given what they achieved in very difficult circumstances.

Grant more of a mixed bag because of his policy of effective genocide for native Americans with his buddy Sherman who is another one that had very good politics and was absolutely right to commit to total war in the South but then turned that same ruthlessness on tribes in the West.
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« Reply #17234 on: November 21, 2024, 08:32:06 AM »
You know what will totally fix our education system?.......More expensive internet.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/11/trumps-likely-fcc-chair-wrote-project-2025-chapter-on-how-hed-run-the-agency/

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« Reply #17235 on: November 21, 2024, 08:42:51 AM »
In some states school systems already get free Internet and most others pay penny’s on the dollar for Internet via the Erate program.

A competitive landscape keeps costs lower - but at the same time. LOL at the notion of signing up for non competitive utilities paying for a metered service. While demanding the newest utility, often operating in a competitive environment. Provide unlimited usage of their product at a very reduced fixed price - while also demanding the provider(s) create more capacity so you get even more unlimited usage at a fixed price.


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« Reply #17236 on: November 21, 2024, 09:09:08 AM »
Internet should be a public utility.

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« Reply #17238 on: November 21, 2024, 09:27:00 AM »
Internet should be a public utility.

Agree and data caps are bullshit and just a way for corporations to screw consumers. eff this guy

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« Reply #17239 on: November 21, 2024, 09:33:03 AM »
@steve dave

FDR, Lincoln probably my favorite two given what they achieved in very difficult circumstances.

Grant more of a mixed bag because of his policy of effective genocide for native Americans with his buddy Sherman who is another one that had very good politics and was absolutely right to commit to total war in the South but then turned that same ruthlessness on tribes in the West.
Grant makes a surprising and hilarious appearance after the two low hanging fruits, lmao


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« Reply #17240 on: November 21, 2024, 09:39:30 AM »
Imagine if any lib had trafficked this many minors (or any minors)

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« Reply #17241 on: November 21, 2024, 09:54:23 AM »
Internet should be a public utility.

Yes, let's make it a regulated public utility, and then the regulated utility can go to the respective PUC and get a rate increase with a rubber stamp . . . also work to ensure that competition is extremely limited or doesn't exist.

Let's look at my power and gas options where I live . . . Power: Evergy . . . .   Gas: Kansas Gas . . . gosh, I wonder why I don't get 5 postcards in the mail every week from power and gas providers wanting me to switch and offering really cheap rates  :confused:

Sounds absolutely perfect

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« Reply #17242 on: November 21, 2024, 10:05:35 AM »
Imagine if any lib had trafficked this many minors (or any minors)

https://x.com/theliamnissan/status/1859421998906024389?s=46


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« Reply #17243 on: November 21, 2024, 10:16:18 AM »
Internet should be a public utility.

Agree and data caps are bullshit and just a way for corporations to screw consumers. eff this guy
i'm not really a data wizard or anything, but doesn't "data" actually require physical resources?  Isn't that why we're building these huge datacenters?  If internet is a public utility, and there are no data caps, would you just pay for the data you use like you pay for the water/electricity you use? 


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« Reply #17244 on: November 21, 2024, 10:19:18 AM »
Internet should be a public utility.

Yes, let's make it a regulated public utility, and then the regulated utility can go to the respective PUC and get a rate increase with a rubber stamp . . . also work to ensure that competition is extremely limited or doesn't exist.

Let's look at my power and gas options where I live . . . Power: Evergy . . . .   Gas: Kansas Gas . . . gosh, I wonder why I don't get 5 postcards in the mail every week from power and gas providers wanting me to switch and offering really cheap rates  :confused:

Sounds absolutely perfect

I think you are the first person I've heard say they wish they were marketed to by Power and Gas providers.

You are almost there. The Kansas Gas Company--Evergy is a for profit company that then goes and appeals rate hikes to a board with political oversight. I am suggesting we cut out the profit/company part.

As for the privacy/first amendment/Farenheit 451/1984 concerns.  As you are well aware, we are past the point of no return on both the NSA and private companies knowing basically everything so I think strong privacy laws would be great, but let's keep it real.

All of this, as you know, is currently well outside the Overton window because people have been convinced that paying more for health care is a very good thing actually and that same filter applies to basically everything because we don't , we have dont legislate from the point of view of citizens, we legislate to a nation of consumers.


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« Reply #17245 on: November 21, 2024, 10:37:38 AM »
Internet should be a public utility.

Agree and data caps are bullshit and just a way for corporations to screw consumers. eff this guy
i'm not really a data wizard or anything, but doesn't "data" actually require physical resources?  Isn't that why we're building these huge datacenters?  If internet is a public utility, and there are no data caps, would you just pay for the data you use like you pay for the water/electricity you use?

That makes a lot of sense to me. Let me give you another example, the postal service.

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« Reply #17246 on: November 21, 2024, 10:46:06 AM »
Data caps are just a way for companies to nickel and dime consumers. I'm not a fan of bootlicking in general, but this is def not the one to be doing it.

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« Reply #17247 on: November 21, 2024, 10:46:25 AM »
This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.
i don't know.  do you really think my daughter would get as good of an education from Central High School compared to like, Pembroke* or Barstow or something? or is the only difference between the two schools the respective finances of her classmates?

*I'm not sending my daughter to Pembroke ftr

I think the majority of private schools probably offer a better education than the average public school.  They often have better resources and less distractions. But I don't believe that's the primary reason most people send their kids to private schools.

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« Reply #17248 on: November 21, 2024, 10:52:30 AM »
This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.
i don't know.  do you really think my daughter would get as good of an education from Central High School compared to like, Pembroke* or Barstow or something? or is the only difference between the two schools the respective finances of her classmates?

*I'm not sending my daughter to Pembroke ftr

I think the majority of private schools probably offer a better education than the average public school.  They often have better resources and less distractions. But I don't believe that's the primary reason most people send their kids to private schools.

Maybe. I would be more concerned about the community you live in and the resources they're able to provide to schools in the community. I think the bigger disparity is between wealthy neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods.

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« Reply #17249 on: November 21, 2024, 11:03:59 AM »
This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.
i don't know.  do you really think my daughter would get as good of an education from Central High School compared to like, Pembroke* or Barstow or something? or is the only difference between the two schools the respective finances of her classmates?

*I'm not sending my daughter to Pembroke ftr

I think the majority of private schools probably offer a better education than the average public school.  They often have better resources and less distractions. But I don't believe that's the primary reason most people send their kids to private schools.
I think it's typically several factors (depending on the relative differences between private and public schools in the area). 

Certainly I think "status" is a motivator for some people, but I think there's also education quality, curriculum and safety motivators too.  And I think each of those (quality, curriculum, safety) are all reasonable. 


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