The Trump Presidency

[Kat Kid]

We've got a major school system that thought they were still going to get Covid money and so they just went ahead and planted it in their budget.  Well, that money is gone and now they are or may have to go out and borrow the money to cover what they already built into their budget even though it didn't exist.  The mayor of that city then calls anyone who asks what happened in this situation a racist for asking why they mumped up so badly.

But yeah, lets not reform anything 

Education is a big problem that we are taking very seriously and Linda McMahon is the best person to solve it!

[sonofdaxjones]

We've got a major school system that thought they were still going to get Covid money and so they just went ahead and planted it in their budget.  Well, that money is gone and now they are or may have to go out and borrow the money to cover what they already built into their budget even though it didn't exist.  The mayor of that city then calls anyone who asks what happened in this situation a racist for asking why they mumped up so badly.

But yeah, lets not reform anything 

Education is a big problem that we are taking very seriously and Linda McMahon is the best person to solve it!

A good old fashioned credential off?

[nicname]

We've got a major school system that thought they were still going to get Covid money and so they just went ahead and planted it in their budget.  Well, that money is gone and now they are or may have to go out and borrow the money to cover what they already built into their budget even though it didn't exist.  The mayor of that city then calls anyone who asks what happened in this situation a racist for asking why they mumped up so badly.

But yeah, lets not reform anything 

Education is a big problem that we are taking very seriously and Linda McMahon is the best person to solve it!

A good old fashioned credential off?

The McMahons are a legitimate rags to riches story of the American dream.

[nicname]

The Dr. Oz appointment is troublesome.

[Pete]

We've got a major school system that thought they were still going to get Covid money and so they just went ahead and planted it in their budget.  Well, that money is gone and now they are or may have to go out and borrow the money to cover what they already built into their budget even though it didn't exist.  The mayor of that city then calls anyone who asks what happened in this situation a racist for asking why they mumped up so badly.

But yeah, lets not reform anything 

Education is a big problem that we are taking very seriously and Linda McMahon is the best person to solve it!

A good old fashioned credential off?

The McMahons are a legitimate rags to riches story of the American dream.

So was George Foreman, but that didn’t qualify him to run the education department

[Pete]

Education department has been a dead man walking ever since the Koch brothers and their crew started referring to public schools as “government schools.”

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Education department has been a dead man walking ever since the Koch brothers and their crew started referring to public schools as “government schools.”

Rush Limbaugh was the ultimate evangelist for the “government screw-ells” talking point.

[Institutional Control]

The Department of Education doesn't really have anything to do with curriculum, do they?  I thought they really only managed Pell grants and student loans. What would be the point of dismantling it? Unless they do away with grants and loans, someone will have to manage it.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

The Department of Education doesn't really have anything to do with curriculum, do they?  I thought they really only managed Pell grants and student loans. What would be the point of dismantling it? Unless they do away with grants and loans, someone will have to manage it.

Did any payday loan tycoons donate big bucks to the Trump campaign? I'm sure they would be qualified.

[DQ12]

it's tempting to say our schools aren't doing a great job, broadly speaking.  OTOH, it's hard to tell how much to blame on the actual "schooling" vs. all the other stuff that is correlated with good standardized test scores (e.g. parents who can pay/are paying attention, etc.).

[Institutional Control]

This guy really shot his shot to become Education secretary.  He must be sad today.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-education-secretary-ryan-walters-oklahoma-bibles-pray-b2649738.html

Education secretary hopeful demands Oklahoma school students watch video of him praying for Trump
Ryan Walters, who ordered schools in Oklahoma to incorporate the Bible into classroom curriculum, is in the running to be named Trump’s education secretary

[bucket]

it's tempting to say our schools aren't doing a great job, broadly speaking.  OTOH, it's hard to tell how much to blame on the actual "schooling" vs. all the other stuff that is correlated with good standardized test scores (e.g. parents who can pay/are paying attention, etc.).

Those things and universal pre-k.

[Cire]

I mean standardized test scores are 1 data point.  Graduation rates/post graduation rates/post HS certificates/degree completion within X number of years, could all be factored in but someone has to compile that data.

We could kick out all the Special services, IEP's, English language learners, and behavior problems, but they'd have to repeal or alter the Individuals with disabilities in Education Act and see our scores go way up, but would that mean that we're doing better?

[Spracne]

The Department of Education doesn't really have anything to do with curriculum, do they?  I thought they really only managed Pell grants and student loans. What would be the point of dismantling it? Unless they do away with grants and loans, someone will have to manage it.

Right. Someone is actually asking the right question. What does the Dept. of Education actually do? They don't mandate curriculum, that's for sure. I personally don't understand the purpose of dismantling it, other than in effigy of some broader, nebulous project.

[Pete]

Liberals like education, and therefore the department of education must be stoned to death.

[Pete]

This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

[sonofdaxjones]

Liberals like education, and therefore the department of education must be stoned to death.

Oh Pete.

Libs like education . . . As long as it fits their narrative, their preferred delivery mechanisms and their preferred outcomes


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[Institutional Control]

This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

This guy really shot his shot to become Education secretary.  He must be sad today.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-education-secretary-ryan-walters-oklahoma-bibles-pray-b2649738.html

Education secretary hopeful demands Oklahoma school students watch video of him praying for Trump
Ryan Walters, who ordered schools in Oklahoma to incorporate the Bible into classroom curriculum, is in the running to be named Trump’s education secretary

hope they have that guy on suicide watch. he was so earnest and got beat out by a reality TV personality.

[Spracne]

This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

I concur.

https://youtu.be/Szdziw4tI9o?si=az3Eu8S2YnDnt-vK

[DQ12]

This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.

i don't know.  do you really think my daughter would get as good of an education from Central High School compared to like, Pembroke* or Barstow or something? or is the only difference between the two schools the respective finances of her classmates?

*I'm not sending my daughter to Pembroke ftr

[catastrophe]

This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.

i don't know.  do you really think my daughter would get as good of an education from Central High School compared to like, Pembroke* or Barstow or something? or is the only difference between the two schools the respective finances of her classmates?

*I'm not sending my daughter to Pembroke ftr

Better education might be an effect of a good private elementary/high school, but it's really not the reason people pay all that crap to enroll in them. Unless by "better education" you mean a stronger chance to get accepted to a more exclusive college.

That said, I think just about every way we measure success in this country, being more closely associated with the haves is way more valuable than a good education.

[DQ12]

This country was founded on Zoroastrian principles, so I’d be fine with a system where we ceased federal funding, kicked all responsibility for school funding back to the states, used a voucher system for private schools; and had a defacto mandate to encourage more Zoroastrianism be taught in our schools.

Oklahoma's voucher system has taught us that if you give vouchers for private schools, they'll simply raise the price of tuition.  Coincidently, to just about the same amount of the vouchers. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Private schools aren't about getting your kid a better education, it's about status and segregating the haves from the have nots.

i don't know.  do you really think my daughter would get as good of an education from Central High School compared to like, Pembroke* or Barstow or something? or is the only difference between the two schools the respective finances of her classmates?

*I'm not sending my daughter to Pembroke ftr

Better education might be an effect of a good private elementary/high school, but it's really not the reason people pay all that crap to enroll in them. Unless by "better education" you mean a stronger chance to get accepted to a better college.

Oh, OK.  So even though it might be a legitimate educational benefit for the kid, the actual motivation is at best, classist.  i'd be curious to hear whether you think it's similarly classist (or otherwise nefarious) to move to a particular area based (at least in part) because of better public schools.  like are the people that choose to live in the Shawnee Mission East school district (as opposed to, say, KCPS) also engaging in this bad faith "have/have not" segregation game? if so, do you find them as blameworthy as private school parents?

FWIW, I want my kids to receive religious education at school, which is why i plan to send them to private school.  and if you don't believe that's my actual motivation, you can kiss my GRITS.

[catastrophe]

To be clear, -I- was not the one saying the only reason was segregation. Your primary motivation is obviously religious, and personally if I ever moved my kids to private school it would be because the special needs resources at our local school aren't cutting it. Both are totally valid reasons that have little to do with how the students might perform on a standardized test at the end of the year.

[DQ12]

To be clear, -I- was not the one saying the only reason was segregation. Your primary motivation is obviously religious, and personally if I ever moved my kids to private school it would be because the special needs resources at our local school aren't cutting it. Both are totally valid reasons that have little to do with how the students might perform on a standardized test at the end of the year.

you're right.  i was really responding to institutional control, and didn't realize you weren't the one that made that original bold claim.  my b.

FWIW, in my experience, public schools are much more equipped to handle special needs situations.  i'm sure that varies though.