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Quote from: Fuktard on April 12, 2012, 12:17:52 PMKinda funny a "great recruiter" like Howard might end up at KSU...either he sucks or he doesn't have many other options...which is really surprising considering all of the better offers our old staff had, yet they passed on them all to follow their hero Mr Martin.You saying Howard hasn't had other options is ridiculous. The media has reported his options consistently. Also, you saying 3 players and none of them being crap players complained to Currie, offering no evidence, then saying you want evidence with our assts is ridiculous.
Kinda funny a "great recruiter" like Howard might end up at KSU...either he sucks or he doesn't have many other options...which is really surprising considering all of the better offers our old staff had, yet they passed on them all to follow their hero Mr Martin.
These guys keep listing all the crap they care about, and winning has never been mentioned.
http://themercury.com/k-statesports/article.aspx?articleId=7babe885b4e34ec7b7b8574cf4f40989
Lowery said K-State, in a way, sells itself on the recruiting front.
When FSD ventures onto the sports boards it always ends hilariously prompts the Mods to run to the rescue of one of their losery, unintelligent, whiny-ass internet companions who is getting pwn3d by Sugar Dick for being a stupid, whiny, little bitch
You can't fault kids because they're different nowadays.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 10, 2012, 07:41:10 AMIMO, what Weber's tenure at Illinois has shown is if you put a premium on shooting and don't shoot well your offense will struggle. Even the last 6 years, Weber's teams have consistently out-shot their opponents (eFG%), an average of nearly 4% better per season. For Frank's teams the difference was slightly less than 1%. But the difference in TO% and OR% for Frank's teams are both dramatically better than Weber's and that's why Frank's offensive efficiency was much better. Weber's teams have had better defensive efficiencies (89.7 his last 6 years compared to 91.2 for Frank's 5), but it wasn't enough to make up for the offensive issues.Well, the good news for next year is that our players are fantastic jump shooters.
IMO, what Weber's tenure at Illinois has shown is if you put a premium on shooting and don't shoot well your offense will struggle. Even the last 6 years, Weber's teams have consistently out-shot their opponents (eFG%), an average of nearly 4% better per season. For Frank's teams the difference was slightly less than 1%. But the difference in TO% and OR% for Frank's teams are both dramatically better than Weber's and that's why Frank's offensive efficiency was much better. Weber's teams have had better defensive efficiencies (89.7 his last 6 years compared to 91.2 for Frank's 5), but it wasn't enough to make up for the offensive issues.
Say, hypothetically, Webers first 5 years are as follows:12 - 23 Ws, 2nd in conference, sweet 1613 - 21 Ws, 4th in conference, round of 3214 - 19 Ws, 5th in conference, NIT15 - 20 Ws, 4th in conference, 1st round NCAA16 - 20 Ws, 4th in conference, NITRecruiting classes are average. Mostly 100-150 3* players. Goes 1-9 against KU. Are these fairly average results a "big step back" for our program? Will weber have successfully "mehd us to death"?Give or take, the hypo above is pretty much Frank Martin basketball. Slight edge to Martin, I'd guess.
Clearly I was way too optimistic about Weber changing or learning from his failures at Illinois. I'm most disappointed that when things go south he's gone back to the same whiny excuses, but I shouldn't be surprised.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 19, 2015, 03:21:24 PMClearly I was way too optimistic about Weber changing or learning from his failures at Illinois. I'm most disappointed that when things go south he's gone back to the same whiny excuses, but I shouldn't be surprised. This program resembles Lowery's failures at SIU more than oscar's.
someone who makes me uncomfortable and Seasoned Salt are perfect for our rough ridin' dipshit fanbase. "look at that inbounds play!" "now THAT'S an offense" "no backdoors this year". I want to be right more than I want the cats to win.
Quote from: catzacker on April 09, 2012, 06:30:46 PMsomeone who makes me uncomfortable and Seasoned Salt are perfect for our rough ridin' dipshit fanbase. "look at that inbounds play!" "now THAT'S an offense" "no backdoors this year". I want to be right more than I want the cats to win.Well actually we suck at inbounds plays.
Quote from: michigancat on April 09, 2012, 08:14:11 PMQuote from: JavaCat on April 09, 2012, 07:42:26 PMI'd say Frank threw his players under the bus a lot. He won though so nobody really cared except for some tucks. The new coaches can back that bus up as many times as they want as long as they win more often than not.The difference is Frank didn't get fired for performance. I will excuse any and all questionable behavior if the end result is wins. Conversely, I will nitpick like the Dickens if we lose. I think it's my right.I will write up Kafka-esque haikus about Weber if we suck.
Quote from: JavaCat on April 09, 2012, 07:42:26 PMI'd say Frank threw his players under the bus a lot. He won though so nobody really cared except for some tucks. The new coaches can back that bus up as many times as they want as long as they win more often than not.The difference is Frank didn't get fired for performance. I will excuse any and all questionable behavior if the end result is wins. Conversely, I will nitpick like the Dickens if we lose. I think it's my right.
I'd say Frank threw his players under the bus a lot. He won though so nobody really cared except for some tucks. The new coaches can back that bus up as many times as they want as long as they win more often than not.
