Lowery Interview on 1350

[Mr Bread]

Hey michicat, frank isn't coming back. Find one available (no show cause) hc who's efficiency numbers are better than BW s and get back to us.

LOL, way to change the subject. But how about Larry Eustachy and Josh Pastner? Randy Bennett? And those are just three off the top of my head that would have been attainable for K-State.

The new staff isn't gonna come in and say, hey the team is in great shape, and psuedo-statistically speaking, based on a five year look back, as a staff we are incapable of improving this this 6th place big 12 team, so we quit.

There are plenty of things they could have said without sounding like delusional dumbasses who think they did nothing wrong when they both GOT FIRED FOR LOSING. These guys seriously think (or at least act like) the previous staff had no clue what they're doing. In doing so, they're setting themselves up to go down the same losing path that GOT THEM BOTH FIRED.

 

[michigancat]

Say, hypothetically, Webers first 5 years are as follows:

12 - 23 Ws, 2nd in conference, sweet 16
13 - 21 Ws, 4th in conference, round of 32
14 - 19 Ws, 5th in conference, NIT
15 - 20 Ws, 4th in conference, 1st round NCAA
16 - 20 Ws, 4th in conference, NIT

Recruiting classes are average.  Mostly 100-150 3* players.  Goes 1-9 against KU. 

Are these fairly average results a "big step back" for our program?  Will weber have successfully "mehd us to death"?

Give or take, the hypo above is pretty much Frank Martin basketball.  Slight edge to Martin, I'd guess.

so much for this hypothetical

[Mr Bread]

Say, hypothetically, Webers first 5 years are as follows:

12 - 23 Ws, 2nd in conference, sweet 16
13 - 21 Ws, 4th in conference, round of 32
14 - 19 Ws, 5th in conference, NIT
15 - 20 Ws, 4th in conference, 1st round NCAA
16 - 20 Ws, 4th in conference, NIT

Recruiting classes are average.  Mostly 100-150 3* players.  Goes 1-9 against KU. 

Are these fairly average results a "big step back" for our program?  Will weber have successfully "mehd us to death"?

Give or take, the hypo above is pretty much Frank Martin basketball.  Slight edge to Martin, I'd guess.

so much for this hypothetical

So far so good on this one.

Would this be terrible for a 6 year stretch? Fireable?

26–7 12–6 T–2nd NCAA 2nd Round
23–12 10–8 T–4th NCAA 1st Round
16–19 6–12 T–9th 
24–10 11–7 T–2nd NCAA 1st Round
21–15 10–8 5th NIT Quarterfinals
20–14 9–9 T–4th NCAA 2nd Round

chum!  It's a flat circle!!

[chum1]

We knew this would happen!

[michigancat]

pretty good thread to reread. No idea what chum was doing w/ this post, though.

@chum1, please address this

[chum1]

No idea. I saw another old post of mine today that was equally mysterious to me.

[Trim]

This is a fantastic thread.  Everyone must read this from the beginning again.

yosh. UW. Belvis. FSD. Fuktard.  Tattoo those names on your forehead.

[8manpick]

I'd say Frank threw his players under the bus a lot. He won though so nobody really cared except for some tucks. The new coaches can back that bus up as many times as they want as long as they win more often than not.

The difference is Frank didn't get fired for performance. I will excuse any and all questionable behavior if the end result is wins. Conversely, I will nitpick like the Dickens if we lose. I think it's my right.

I will write up Kafka-esque haikus about Weber if we suck.

[Cire]

Were so mumped! can't wait till I can tell people " see I told you so"

Will be like xmas

[chum1]

Just reread.



Yep.

[pissclams]

This is a fantastic thread.  Everyone must read this from the beginning again.

yosh. UW. Belvis. FSD. Fuktard.  Tattoo those names on your forehead.

I can't bring myself to do it

[Trim]

This is a fantastic thread.  Everyone must read this from the beginning again.

yosh. UW. Belvis. FSD. Fuktard.  Tattoo those names on your forehead.

I can't bring myself to do it

You have to.  I don't even thing there were hardly any links or anything, so you could have hemmy print it for you and take it over ot the falloon.

[sys]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

this could be the biggest load of  crap in this entire thread, and that's saying something.

as it's turned out, clams was probably right.  i've been pretty entertained this year.  i lost a lot of interest in the previous years, but that's not really weber's fault.  i'm curious and engaged to see what next year brings as well.



as always when i reread these threads, i discover that i don't post as much as i think i do.  i should post more.

[chum1]

Weber hasn't had a bubble team yet. Just as we predicted.

[Mr Bread]

The bubble doesn't exist. 

[pissclams]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

this could be the biggest load of  crap in this entire thread, and that's saying something.

as it's turned out, clams was probably right.  i've been pretty entertained this year.  i lost a lot of interest in the previous years, but that's not really weber's fault.  i'm curious and engaged to see what next year brings as well.



as always when i reread these threads, i discover that i don't post as much as i think i do.  i should post more.

admittedly I defended oscar but it was only because I had to give him a chance.  I didn't have any other choice. 

[CHONGS]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

this could be the biggest load of  crap in this entire thread, and that's saying something.

as it's turned out, clams was probably right.  i've been pretty entertained this year.  i lost a lot of interest in the previous years, but that's not really weber's fault.  i'm curious and engaged to see what next year brings as well.



as always when i reread these threads, i discover that i don't post as much as i think i do.  i should post more.

admittedly I defended oscar but it was only because I had to give him a chance.  I didn't have any other choice. 

I understand, I do... I defended Prince too for the same reason...

[Cartierfor3]

what a fantastic read

[wetwillie]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

this could be the biggest load of  crap in this entire thread, and that's saying something.

as it's turned out, clams was probably right.  i've been pretty entertained this year.  i lost a lot of interest in the previous years, but that's not really weber's fault.  i'm curious and engaged to see what next year brings as well.



as always when i reread these threads, i discover that i don't post as much as i think i do.  i should post more.

admittedly I defended oscar but it was only because I had to give him a chance.  I didn't have any other choice. 

I understand, I do... I defended Prince too for the same reason...

Same reason beems comes out in defense of every indefensible hire that KU football makes.  No choice but to at least give it a chance.

[MakeItRain]

someone who makes me uncomfortable and Seasoned Salt are perfect for our rough ridin' dipshit fanbase.  "look at that inbounds play!"  "now THAT'S an offense" "no backdoors this year". 

I want to be right more than I want the cats to win.

You're the most butthurt [redacted] on the planet.

Let me guess, you've voiced your displeasure far and wide on . . . goEMAW.com. 

Pussy.

  oh dax

[MakeItRain]

Things had changed, on court demeanor was carrying off the court,  verbal abuse had been ratcheted to extremely personal levels . . . when what I am being told makes me say "DAMN" than its pretty bad IMO. 

You're also smart enough to know that eventually "Frank being Frank" becomes even more difficult to explain to recruits, the track record begins to build on itself and becomes more difficult to overcome. 

Oh GMAFB. You think Frank didn't yell at and cuss people out in practice before this season? You think he never told someone he would burn their house down with them in it before this season? Also, how can you explain HIS ENTIRE STAFF following him to South Carolina. Literally everyone went with him. THINK ABOUT IT.

I am not the least bit surprised that the entire staff followed him.   Telling a kid that he wants to burn their house down with them inside goes way beyond the "you're an effing coward . . . you're the most selfish mothereffer I've ever coached" that you guys love.   Calling a timeout just so you can scream at a kid because he missed a freethrow and your star player feel's compelled to intervene and tell you to chill the eff out?   I know you TooCoolForSchoolers think that's all great, but I think at some point it becomes over-the-top prima donna Bull$hit.   Does that mean you get rid of Frank . . . no!   

But I get it, Will's just soft and Cauley and Semi are just pussies and "don't get" Frank.   Damn Mo-Kan Spiece pussies anyway . . . amirite?

Three years later and we're still waiting for these Frank's a monster stories, I'm sure they're days away now. Also LOL at WCS and Semi picking Kentucky and Duke because Frank cusses a lot. Those local recruits have really been rolling in since Lucifer left. It's a shame that nice guy oscar couldn't keep Semi from transferring to SMU.

[MakeItRain]

He did. And all of them but Pullen were gone after year one. And he was still making the tournament when ALL the players he inherited were gone.

The best player on his team - Gruds - was inherited.  To state otherwise is silly.

wut

[MakeItRain]

Mommy was in a shitty marriage. She made a hard decision and she divorced her abusive husband. As a knee jerk reaction she began dating someone who is the complete opposite.

Now the kids hate their mother's boyfriend because he is nothing like daddy. All that they loved about daddy, the new bf lacks. The kids didn't hear all the late night bickering and the verbal barrage that was laid upon their mother, the cheating, etc.

So now they whine and complain to their mother and disrespect her new boyfriend. All the while putting their dad on a pedestal he didn't necessarily deserve. Daddy left you to start a new family with a woman half your mother's worth. Love your mother and her happiness.

Mommy gave daddy the clap and the new boyfriend is a meth fiend with a gambling addiction.

[MakeItRain]

I need to know why belvis insisted that Weber was a good coach. I get wanting to give him a chance but to completely ignore the 5 years before Weber got here is next level enthusiasm.

[rob mccolley]

So I did, up to page 11. The n I skimmed.

This is a fantastic thread.  Everyone must read this from the beginning again.

yosh. UW. Belvis. FSD. Fuktard.  Tattoo those names on your forehead.

The thing that stands out to me is Ghost of Stan Parrish's final entry on page 7. I don't know whether it's intentional subterfuge, self-delusion, lemonades from lemons, etc. but that long entry is one enormous package of misdirection & sleight of hand.

I'd be happy to go into detail, but I assume it's all been covered by now.