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Quote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 11:37:13 AMQuote from: bucket on August 31, 2020, 11:25:52 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:16:29 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.Citing Gateway Pundit now, are we?Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.htmlYour link does not have any tables.
Quote from: bucket on August 31, 2020, 11:25:52 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:16:29 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.Citing Gateway Pundit now, are we?Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:16:29 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.Citing Gateway Pundit now, are we?
Quote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.
Quote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!
Dax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.
Quote from: waks on August 31, 2020, 12:20:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 11:37:13 AMQuote from: bucket on August 31, 2020, 11:25:52 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:16:29 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.Citing Gateway Pundit now, are we?Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.htmlYour link does not have any tables.https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
*sigh* just wait for a vaccinehttps://twitter.com/olgakhazan/status/1300429906287964163
Quote from: michigancat on August 31, 2020, 11:34:27 AM*sigh* just wait for a vaccinehttps://twitter.com/olgakhazan/status/1300429906287964163 https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=41959.msg1982502#msg1982502As a society, we're just generally assholes with our phones. Its not all unfounded; the increasing volume of unsolicited and scam calls plays a big factor. It does for me. If its not in my contact list, or a Caller ID I'm expecting, it goes to voice mail. If I do go back and listen, at this stage in the game, we could all probably figure out what that call means, but rhetorically, am I going to do anything about it unless I feel symptomatic? Probably not, in a majority of cases. In my case, I still know most of the people at the county Health Dept. I would call them back directly, regardless of whatever return contact info was provided in tracing call.
And really this is something that solid leadership could help with. Most people have no idea what contract tracing is, but if someone explained what it was and how it helps, people would be more receptive than they may have been in the past I think.
People have more trust in public-health workers when local health departments, governors, and the president speak with one voice. But some officials have downplayed the virus, some have taken it seriously, and others have ignored it entirely. Other than claiming that the U.S. has gotten “good at” it, Donald Trump hasn’t said much about contact tracing.
Quote from: bucket on August 31, 2020, 11:25:52 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:16:29 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.Citing Gateway Pundit now, are we?BTW, you can issue your retraction on this at any time, Bucket.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 02:07:48 PMQuote from: bucket on August 31, 2020, 11:25:52 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:16:29 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 10:13:03 AMQuote from: star seed 7 on August 31, 2020, 10:11:16 AMDax literally believes the entire world has intentionality harmed their own and the global economy just to make trump look bad.So there you go, no need to engage him further.that's the only reason every other country has kept their deaths so low then? To try and make Trump look bad? What a bunch of jerks!Thanks to the Grandma Killers and nearly 3 co-morbidities in 94% of the Covid-19 deaths the U.S. has a high mortality rate. Sadly a Dem Mayor told the nations largest city to go party and then locked them down immediately after and then the Governor (now trying to cover it up) created nursing homes of death.Citing Gateway Pundit now, are we?BTW, you can issue your retraction on this at any time, Bucket.People were referencing some Gateway Pundit article citing the same CDC information and stating the co-morbidities were what was actually killing people and this contributed to inflated COVID death numbers. My mistake, if that's not what you were doing.
good thread.https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1300413312006488064
Quote from: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2020, 08:41:41 PMAre bars a bad place because people are all horned up and hooking up? I’m trying to grasp this. There’s usually tables in between sections and everyone is wearing a mask. Most of the time. Just what I’ve seen from a distance, from the lake.there's quite a few reasons bars are the worst places open right now. let's assume you're interacting with someone infected that is contagious. There's three main factors controlling your chance of transmission:1) Proximity - the closer you are, the more likely you'll inhale their droplets. Good on bars at the lake enforcing mask use and social distancing, but as people drink alcohol, I imagine the mask use as distance between parties goes down. You can look at the bar in East Lansing for evidence of this2) Time - the longer you're interacting with someone, again, the more opportunities to inhale their droplets. Everyone brings up the grocery store checkout line, but you're usually there for what, 2 minutes tops? Your typical casual sit-down dinner is maybe 45 minutes to an hour? While people sit at bars with the same people and in close proximity for hours.3) Volume - when people sing/yell/talk loudly, they're sending more droplets your way. Bars turn up the music to make it hard to talk so you drink more, but it also makes you talk a lot louderI'd say another factor that in general increases your odds of infection at a bar vs. a dinner at a restaurant is WHO you interact with. Generally at a restaurant, you're at a table and you interact with the server and the people you came with - you don't come to socialize with other folks. At a bar at the lake, sure, some people are hanging with their own group, but a lot of people are going around and talking to other parties. More interactions = more opportunities for proximity, time, and volume. Honestly I think phil wants nothing more than to hit his favorite KC restaurants and be the man about town, but I think he's right that most restaurants SHOULD be quite a bit less risky than your typical bar.
Are bars a bad place because people are all horned up and hooking up? I’m trying to grasp this. There’s usually tables in between sections and everyone is wearing a mask. Most of the time. Just what I’ve seen from a distance, from the lake.
Quote from: sys on August 31, 2020, 10:24:08 PMgood thread.https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1300413312006488064shoulda interviewed me like two months ago, this seems pretty obvious but glad it's backed by scienceQuote from: michigancat on July 01, 2020, 09:16:01 PMQuote from: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2020, 08:41:41 PMAre bars a bad place because people are all horned up and hooking up? I’m trying to grasp this. There’s usually tables in between sections and everyone is wearing a mask. Most of the time. Just what I’ve seen from a distance, from the lake.there's quite a few reasons bars are the worst places open right now. let's assume you're interacting with someone infected that is contagious. There's three main factors controlling your chance of transmission:1) Proximity - the closer you are, the more likely you'll inhale their droplets. Good on bars at the lake enforcing mask use and social distancing, but as people drink alcohol, I imagine the mask use as distance between parties goes down. You can look at the bar in East Lansing for evidence of this2) Time - the longer you're interacting with someone, again, the more opportunities to inhale their droplets. Everyone brings up the grocery store checkout line, but you're usually there for what, 2 minutes tops? Your typical casual sit-down dinner is maybe 45 minutes to an hour? While people sit at bars with the same people and in close proximity for hours.3) Volume - when people sing/yell/talk loudly, they're sending more droplets your way. Bars turn up the music to make it hard to talk so you drink more, but it also makes you talk a lot louderI'd say another factor that in general increases your odds of infection at a bar vs. a dinner at a restaurant is WHO you interact with. Generally at a restaurant, you're at a table and you interact with the server and the people you came with - you don't come to socialize with other folks. At a bar at the lake, sure, some people are hanging with their own group, but a lot of people are going around and talking to other parties. More interactions = more opportunities for proximity, time, and volume. Honestly I think phil wants nothing more than to hit his favorite KC restaurants and be the man about town, but I think he's right that most restaurants SHOULD be quite a bit less risky than your typical bar.
talking, shouting and singing.https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/1260652736783069184
didn't read the article, but i think the headline is correct. it's enormously sad.https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1300643375318667264
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/unr-researchers-announce-likely-case-of-reinfection-in-reno-man-hospitalized-for-covid-19In other news. Rushed CCP developed vaccines may trigger ADE. CCP as usual is scrubbing this discussion.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2020, 07:02:12 AMhttps://thenevadaindependent.com/article/unr-researchers-announce-likely-case-of-reinfection-in-reno-man-hospitalized-for-covid-19In other news. Rushed CCP developed vaccines may trigger ADE. CCP as usual is scrubbing this discussion.Amazing that rushing a vaccine is a bad idea. Let's hope the FDA doesn't try the same.