Apple

[kougar24]

somebody made apps for the iphone before apple?

My bb has apps bro. Had them before Steven showed me that beer mug thingy on his Itelephone

No, don't you see? Asava added "for the iPhone!" to his original Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim in his backpedaling effort.

[asava]

somebody made apps for the iphone before apple?

My bb has apps bro. Had them before Steven showed me that beer mug thingy on his Itelephone

No, don't you see? Asava added "for the iPhone!" to his original Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim in his backpedaling effort.

oh you mean the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim where i thought that apple invented stores? that one? gmafb.

[pissclams]

I'm sure we could find nifty was to construe anyone who has ever made a dime as some great innovator.  The point is really that a lot of people talk about Apple as though they regularly invent significant new technologies.  It's annoying because they don't.

I think the opposite is true.  For a lot of people Apple has invented new technologies.  Point to me the original iPhone, the one before Apple made theirs.

The iphone isn't a new technology. It's a collection of existing technologies that they combined together very successfully.

not new for you maybe, but definitely new to a lot of people who don't spend their spare time mashing machine code in the basements.   i'll ask again, point me in the direction of the original, non-apple iphone that worked as well as the apple iphone.

Perspective is irrelevant. If you're unaware that 3M made the capacitive touch screen and not Apple, it's called ignorance. Apparently it's quite blissful.

As for your strawman question, that's debatable. Nothing was as simple or as pretty. There were many more powerful and capable phones, though. It depends what you mean by "worked as well".

Asava- don't be such a tard. You didn't have to witness it for it to have existed before. It doesn't mean you can make stuff up. Apple invented apps!!! gmafb.

how hard is it for you to come up with these dumbass posts?

[pissclams]

i might have figured it out- if you take a bunch of ideas that a bunch of other people patented - or didn't patent but just painfully executed, and bring them all together in a way that no one else has, and execute them better than anyone ever has, or ever thought of doing, and revolutionize an entire industry, it's the same thing as not doing any of those things.  that's it, i got it.

[asava]

i might have figured it out- if you take a bunch of ideas that a bunch of other people patented - or didn't patent but just painfully executed, and bring them all together in a way that no one else has, and execute them better than anyone ever has, or ever thought of doing, and revolutionize an entire industry, it's the same thing as not doing any of those things.  that's it, i got it.

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH. This makes sense.

[ew2x4]

i might have figured it out- if you take a bunch of ideas that a bunch of other people patented - or didn't patent but just painfully executed, and bring them all together in a way that no one else has, and execute them better than anyone ever has, or ever thought of doing, and revolutionize an entire industry, it's the same thing as not doing any of those things.  that's it, i got it.

This isn't a hard concept. Picaso didn't invent paint, but he made an impact with it. Dipshit asava thinks Picaso invented the paint and the brush and hand made the canvas. Saying "apple invented apps" is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you know it.

[asava]

i might have figured it out- if you take a bunch of ideas that a bunch of other people patented - or didn't patent but just painfully executed, and bring them all together in a way that no one else has, and execute them better than anyone ever has, or ever thought of doing, and revolutionize an entire industry, it's the same thing as not doing any of those things.  that's it, i got it.

This isn't a hard concept. Picaso didn't invent paint, but he made an impact with it. Dipshit asava thinks Picaso invented the paint and the brush and hand made the canvas. Saying "apple invented apps" is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you know it.

picasso may not have invented the brush, paint and canvas, but he invented and utilized several artistic methods to help him create his pieces. his pieces alone are inventions. in totality they have never done before. how do you not understand this.

[ew2x4]

i might have figured it out- if you take a bunch of ideas that a bunch of other people patented - or didn't patent but just painfully executed, and bring them all together in a way that no one else has, and execute them better than anyone ever has, or ever thought of doing, and revolutionize an entire industry, it's the same thing as not doing any of those things.  that's it, i got it.

This isn't a hard concept. Picaso didn't invent paint, but he made an impact with it. Dipshit asava thinks Picaso invented the paint and the brush and hand made the canvas. Saying "apple invented apps" is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you know it.

picasso may not have invented the brush, paint and canvas, but he invented and utilized several artistic methods to help him create his pieces. his pieces alone are inventions. in totality they have never done before. how do you not understand this.

I understand exactly what you're saying. Making something "new" is insignificant in your context. Knock off Sony stereos in China are suddenly inventions and innovative because nobody had ever put the label "SONNY" on a stereo. But in reality, people have put together stereos with various technologies and designs many times before. My dump I took must have been a really awesome invention because it had never been done before in that shape. To say that Apple "invented" applications for a computing device is idiotic, so quit going around in circles trying to support that stupid statement.

[asava]

so you don't think that the structure in which iphone applications are sold to consumers (to put this in its proper context the app store includes all marketing ploys, all design that was created, and all functionality that can be found in its use), iphone and ipad applications in themselves, and iphones, or ipads are inventions?

if you think this you are completely out of your rocker.

you absolutely have me on the fact that i said iphone invented applications. i'll give that to you. but you are still taking it out of the context of its obvious intentions.

theres a reason my logic is cyclical, and thats because its logic.

also to further put you nutzo's in place

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1677329_1678542_1677891,00.html

[ew2x4]

so you don't think that the structure in which iphone applications are sold to consumers (to put this in its proper context the app store includes all marketing ploys, all design that was created, and all functionality that can be found in its use), iphone and ipad applications in themselves, and iphones, or ipads are inventions?

if you think this you are completely out of your rocker.

you absolutely have me on the fact that i said iphone invented applications. i'll give that to you. but you are still taking it out of the context of its obvious intentions.

theres a reason my logic is cyclical, and thats because its logic.

also to further put you nutzo's in place

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1677329_1678542_1677891,00.html

When did I criticize the app store as inventions/innovations? Never has a company had such a powerful force in marketing, control, and features that the app store does. I know some linux distros attempted similar methods of centralizing programs to make it easier for the end user. Obviously they weren't as successful and are simply forgettable. All of this is going back to my orginal point. They rarely develop anything new. They push existing ideas and technologies into a realm of mass consumption and success.  You can't deny this.

[chum1]

Steve Jobs and his cult describe Apple's products as revolutionary and magical.  There is a sense in which every new car model is a new invention.  Nevertheless, not every new car model is revolutionary or magical.  The same is true of Apple's inventions.   Again, a phone is a phone, an mp3 player is an mp3 player, etc.

[goldenticket]

They rarely develop anything new. They push existing ideas and technologies into a realm of mass consumption and success.

i dont see how this is a bad thing. like you are mad because they took existing stuff and made it into something people like?

[pissclams]

Steve Jobs and his cult describe Apple's products as revolutionary and magical.  There is a sense in which every new car model is a new invention.  Nevertheless, not every new car model is revolutionary or magical.  The same is true of Apple's inventions.   Again, a phone is a phone, an mp3 player is an mp3 player, etc.

it's a phone and mp3 player.  combined with a million other things.  that makes it different, and new.  you have to look at the sum of the parts.  dumbass.

[michigancat]

They rarely develop anything new. They push existing ideas and technologies into a realm of mass consumption and success.

i dont see how this is a bad thing. like you are mad because they took existing stuff and made it into something people like?

It's like saying Henry Ford doesn't doesn't deserve credit for revolutionalizing the auto industry because he didn't invent the automobile or the internal combustion engine or the wheel.

[chum1]

Didn't Ford invent the auto assembly line?  If so, that would be a relevant difference because, as I've said, multifunctional smartphones existed before the iPhone.  The only thing new about the iPhone was the logo.  Had that logo been on an available BlackBerry phone instead, Apple devotees would have reacted the same way as they did to the iPhone.  No matter what those people say, the whole Apple thing is not about inventing new products.

[michigancat]

Didn't Ford invent the auto assembly line?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line

The only thing new about the iPhone was the logo.  Had that logo been on an available BlackBerry phone instead, Apple devotees would have reacted the same way as they did to the iPhone.

This is probably true, but it wouldn't change the industry like the iphone did.  Where Apple truly succeeded with the iPhone was selling it like crazy to non-Apple devotees.

[chum1]

Didn't Ford invent the auto assembly line?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line

There wasn't an auto assembly line before Ford, there was one after Ford.  Wasn't this significant because it made the automobile affordable?  Sure, Apple did a few things that were new (like add a touchscreen).  But did Apple do something new with the iPhone that yielded a comparably significant result? 

The only thing new about the iPhone was the logo.  Had that logo been on an available BlackBerry phone instead, Apple devotees would have reacted the same way as they did to the iPhone.

This is probably true, but it wouldn't change the industry like the iphone did.  Where Apple truly succeeded with the iPhone was selling it like crazy to non-Apple devotees.

So, you agree that the iPhone is less about invention and more about branding and marketing?  I think the industry change came about because of the technology itself more than because of any brand.  Take away Apple and you're still left with a huge demand for things like web browsing while waiting on the bus.

[chum1]

I'd love to have an iPhone, BTW.  But there's no way in hell I'm shelling out that kind of dough for a logo.

[pissclams]

I'd love to have an iPhone, BTW.  But there's no way in hell I'm shelling out that kind of dough for a logo.

don't shell out the dough for an iphone, just tape your mp3 player to the back of this, it's the exact same thing

[michigancat]

Didn't Ford invent the auto assembly line?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line

There wasn't an auto assembly line before Ford, there was one after Ford.  Wasn't this significant because it made the automobile affordable?  Sure, Apple did a few things that were new (like add a touchscreen).  But did Apple do something new with the iPhone that yielded a comparably significant result? 

Olds had the patent on an auto assembly line. 

Didn't Ford invent the auto assembly line?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line

There wasn't an auto assembly line before Ford, there was one after Ford.  Wasn't this significant because it made the automobile affordable?  Sure, Apple did a few things that were new (like add a touchscreen).  But did Apple do something new with the iPhone that yielded a comparably significant result?  

The only thing new about the iPhone was the logo.  Had that logo been on an available BlackBerry phone instead, Apple devotees would have reacted the same way as they did to the iPhone.

This is probably true, but it wouldn't change the industry like the iphone did.  Where Apple truly succeeded with the iPhone was selling it like crazy to non-Apple devotees.

So, you agree that the iPhone is less about invention and more about branding and marketing?  I think the industry change came about because of the technology itself more than because of any brand.  Take away Apple and you're still left with a huge demand for things like web browsing while waiting on the bus.

No, it's more about innovation and execution.  Sure there would be demand for a phone that could browse the web, but would there be demand for it to also be an excellent media player?

[ew2x4]

They rarely develop anything new. They push existing ideas and technologies into a realm of mass consumption and success.

i dont see how this is a bad thing. like you are mad because they took existing stuff and made it into something people like?

I never said it was a bad thing. It's not like I'm not giving them any credit at all. The only thing that is grinding my gears is people that think Apple discovered gravity, or created the sun. Or "applications"....

[michigancat]

They rarely develop anything new. They push existing ideas and technologies into a realm of mass consumption and success.

i dont see how this is a bad thing. like you are mad because they took existing stuff and made it into something people like?

I never said it was a bad thing. It's not like I'm not giving them any credit at all. The only thing that is grinding my gears is people that think Apple discovered gravity, or created the sun. Or "applications"....

Those people are pretty rare.  For every asava, there's 10 pissclamses/michigancats.

[OK_Cat]

my iphone is the only apple product that i own.   

this thread screams of a few people trying to be rebels by hating things that are popular.  if you weren't so jealous of the iphone, you wouldn't have 4 pages of trying to invalidate it.   

[asava]

Would you people get it through your thick rough ridin' skulls that I don't think apple invented the first application. Jesus have a rational thought for once in your life. I made my original comment assuming people weren't idiots, apparently I was wrong.

[chum1]

That's a great point about execution.  I'll give Apple all the credit they deserve for innovation and execution.  But I still think they get way too much credit for innovation.

this thread screams of a few people trying to be rebels by hating things that are popular. 

I don't rant about other techie things that are popular.  It's about how people overreact to what Apple does.  It's a backlash to the overreaction.  It's like the backlash against Notre Dame football.