Another school shooting

[EMAWmeister]

And HeinBallz, no one is saying that mental illness is not a part of the problem.  But taking guns out of the hands of those who are mumped in the head certainly seems a lot easier than establishing a utopian society where mental illness and that which causes it are no more.

[MakeItRain]

i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.

your argument, while still wrong, is well reasoned

[p1k3]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

excellent point. Thread should end here

And HeinBallz, no one is saying that mental illness is not a part of the problem.  But taking guns out of the hands of those who are mumped in the head certainly seems a lot easier than establishing a utopian society where mental illness and that which causes it are no more.

well, good luck with that

[steve dave]

EVERYONE GETS A GUN!

[MakeItRain]

don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind

[p1k3]

People will always find a way to kill other people. That dude in China killed a ton of people with a knife. The 911 ass hats killed a bunch of people with airplanes. Tim Mcveigh used fertilizer

EVERYONE GETS A GUN!

 

[steve dave]

you may want to read the entire knife article

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

[sys]

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind
[/quote]

i'm listening.  why were these 20 kids more important than the 20 our drone blew up by mistake last thursday?  or the sunday prior, or whenever the eff it was when no one reported it and no one messageboarded about it and no one noticed.

[EMAWmeister]

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind

i'm listening.  why were these 20 kids more important than the 20 our drone blew up by mistake last thursday?  or the sunday prior, or whenever the eff it was when no one reported it and no one messageboarded about it and no one noticed.
[/quote]

Because this happened in a fairly affluent, white community. (semi-srs)

[steve dave]

both were important and worthy of discussion dumbfucks

[MakeItRain]

So because tragedies happen all the time everywhere, we shouldn't try to do anything to prevent them?

you can go back and read my response to mir regarding tradeoffs between liberties and safety.  i'm not going to type it out again.

it would be enlightening if you truly believed that but you don't.  You don't think anyone should be able to do whatever the eff they want to under the guise of personal liberty.  You don't want to restrict guns because the issue hasn't touched you in the manner to move you to action.

You moved to the state that restricts personal freedom more than any other.  You go to establishments that honor smoking bans.  I'm assuming you wouldn't be okay with the BART allowing homeless to sleep on their tracks.  There are many more intrusions on personal liberty that both you and I live with and endorse everyday.

[nicname]

you may want to read the entire knife article

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

I found this interesting.

"A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives."

[sys]

both were important and worthy of discussion dumbfucks

let me just search for the thread where you spend all day going on about restricting drone ownership.


nope, just found dax's fifty, yours must have gotten lost in the server.

[sys]

it would be enlightening if you truly believed that but you don't.  You don't think anyone should be able to do whatever the eff they want to under the guise of personal liberty.  You don't want to restrict guns because the issue hasn't touched you in the manner to move you to action.

You moved to the state that restricts personal freedom more than any other.  You go to establishments that honor smoking bans.  I'm assuming you wouldn't be okay with the BART allowing homeless to sleep on their tracks.  There are many more intrusions on personal liberty that both you and I live with and endorse everyday.

i absolutely believe that legislators and the people they represent should be cognizant of tradeoffs.  that doesn't mean i think that no restriction on personal liberty should ever be enacted.

i live with many, many rules that restrict my personal freedom, and the freedoms of those around me.  that doesn't imply that i endorse those restrictions.  it is safe to say that while i think some restrictions can be appropriate, i think american society has erred far too often on the side of forfeiting liberties.  agree that california sucks, btw.

[kstatefreak42]

People kill people. Guns do not kill people. What about that 16 yr old american boy that was murdered in yemen...granted his father was a suspected terrorist and he was also a US Citizen but you dont here about that kid. he lived in colorado...if it happens to us we flip out...but when we do it to others its okay? Stricter gun laws will not help. And i do not feel like being disarmed against the NWO.

[MakeItRain]

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind

i'm listening.  why were these 20 kids more important than the 20 our drone blew up by mistake last thursday?  or the sunday prior, or whenever the eff it was when no one reported it and no one messageboarded about it and no one noticed.
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First of all it isn't just 20 kids and you know that.  Hundreds of Americans die at the hands of guns every single day.  If its 20 rich white kids that get this country to finally act to join the rest of the civilized world, then they didn't die in vein like the others.

Your drone question was dumb and you're better than that.  No one on the right side of this conversation will fall for your strawman.  You want to talk about the merits of military action start a new thread, one has nothing to do with the other.  Also more Americans are killed at the hands of gun violence everyday than people killed at the hands of US military action.  Am I missing your point or do you really not know how many people are shot in America every day?

[steve dave]

both were important and worthy of discussion dumbfucks

let me just search for the thread where you spend all day going on about the restricting drone ownership.


nope, just found dax's fifty, yours must have gotten lost in the server.

I also didn't have a thread about aids in africa or any other thing that was awful but I'm solidly against all of them. and I've commented plenty in the pit about the drones. why is it a requirement to have been on the record against all atrocities to comment on something awful?

[p1k3]

sys changing the subject is ridiculous, but he's right

[sys]

I also didn't have a thread about aids in africa or any other thing that was awful but I'm solidly against all of them. and I've commented plenty in the pit about the drones. why is it a requirement to have been on the record against all atrocities to comment on something awful?

it just highlights your hypocrisy, which is something i'm very interested in.  lol @ being equally interested in all atrocities but having a hundred posts/day on one topic and 0/year on all others.

[steve dave]

I also didn't have a thread about aids in africa or any other thing that was awful but I'm solidly against all of them. and I've commented plenty in the pit about the drones. why is it a requirement to have been on the record against all atrocities to comment on something awful?

it just highlights your hypocrisy, which is something i'm very interested in.  lol @ being equally interested in all atrocities but having a hundred posts/day on one topic and 0/year on all others.

the "equally interested" is a strawman. of course I'm more "interested" in what is right here in what could be my community. how many posts do you have on all of the epidemics and atrocities in the world? how many do you have that are anti-reactionary to this one? If you want to talk about hypocrisy you better start at home.

[sys]

Hundreds of Americans die at the hands of guns every single day.

the internet says 87/day.

Your drone question was dumb and you're better than that.  No one on the right side of this conversation will fall for your strawman.  You want to talk about the merits of military action start a new thread, one has nothing to do with the other.  Also more Americans are killed at the hands of gun violence everyday than people killed at the hands of US military action.  Am I missing your point or do you really not know how many people are shot in America every day?

it's neither a strawman nor a diversion.  i'd like someone to rationally explain to me why you're hellbent on starting your campaign to end death in the world by outlawing gun ownership rather than something that causes far more deaths, like vehicles, or something that has no downside, like not spending millions of dollars to fly robots over foreign countries dropping bombs on them.  there's low hanging fruit and big giant fruit all around, but you and sd are lasered in on the crabapple in the middle of the tree.

[sys]

the "equally interested" is a strawman. of course I'm more "interested" in what is right here in what could be my community. how many posts do you have on all of the epidemics and atrocities in the world? how many do you have that are anti-reactionary to this one? If you want to talk about hypocrisy you better start at home.

i'm not particularly interested in atrocities that don't effect me.  that's why i don't have tons of posts on all the epidemics and atrocities in the world.  and it's why i'm not particularly interested in tossing someone else's liberties on the bonfire of your reactionary campaign to never again allow an american to be shot.

1 consistency and just 0 hypocrisies.

[steve dave]

the "equally interested" is a strawman. of course I'm more "interested" in what is right here in what could be my community. how many posts do you have on all of the epidemics and atrocities in the world? how many do you have that are anti-reactionary to this one? If you want to talk about hypocrisy you better start at home.

i'm not particularly interested in atrocities that don't effect me.  that's why i don't have tons of posts on all the epidemics and atrocities in the world.  and it's why i'm not particularly interested in tossing someone else's liberties on the bonfire of your reactionary campaign to never again allow an american to be shot.

1 consistency and just 0 hypocrisies.

your argument against reacting to this shooting was that it was irrelevant to larger potential issues (correct?) and we should be talking about those (correct?). link your posts to those issues (that effect you if you now need that qualifier).

[steve dave]

shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.

I mean, we can get down to "XX consistencys and just XX hypocrisies" if you want but ultimately this is the dumbfuck comment that started this and you cannot validate it reasonably. say it's a small portion or whatever makes you feel better but it's bullshit.

[sys]

incorrect.  my argument against it is that you would be trampling on the personal liberties of people who value those liberties greatly, in an effort to achieve a relatively paltry gain in public safety (i also agree with those that have commented on the probable futility of the effort, but i haven't advanced that argument myself).

as a part of that argument, i've queried why there is such a focus on the cause of this particular tragedy.  there are easier problems to solve, and there are greater problems to solve.  why this tragedy, this cause, if not merely as a knee-jerk emotional reaction to media coverage waived before your nose like a squirrel before a terrier's?


i do think it is nothing more than emotional writhing, and i don't think that's a convincing basis for policy decisions.