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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 14, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
It seems like there is a mass shooting every week these days.  It's sad.


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 12:15:18 PM
moving to combo fan

 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 12:16:14 PM
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•We're told "close to 20" people are dead, including at least 10 children

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9 y/o girl says that "police with big guns" led her classmates out of the building. Asked them to cover their eyes.
GAH
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
26 dead, 18 kids.  eff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 14, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
Wtf is wrong with ppl? Seriously!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 12:20:33 PM
I hate people  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
rough ridin' disgusting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on December 14, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 14, 2012, 12:24:58 PM
27 dead now. That might be including the shooter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 12:26:45 PM
unbelievable. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 14, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
but hey, let's not outlaw guns.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 14, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
2 shooters.

1 killed himself. 1 possibly still alive
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 12:34:55 PM
18 dead childen.  Hope that dude gets an extra hot seat in hell.  what a dick
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 14, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
2 shooters.

1 killed himself. 1 possibly still alive

Holy eff
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 12:41:07 PM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.

eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 14, 2012, 12:42:35 PM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.

eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.

anyone who is pro guns is also pro child murder at this point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AppleJack on December 14, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
this makes me sad :(
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
Elementary school....

Good god.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 14, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/)

Not that I think we should round up and take away all guns, but with a knife it is much more difficult to kill that many people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 14, 2012, 12:46:59 PM
crazy people are going to do crazy things.  guns just make it a lot easier
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on December 14, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
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•We're told "close to 20" people are dead, including at least 10 children

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9 y/o girl says that "police with big guns" led her classmates out of the building. Asked them to cover their eyes.
GAH

 :frown:   :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
You have to be really sick to do this anywhere, but I can't think of many places worse than an elementary school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 12:51:00 PM
Whole lot of folks are going to say that this is why you should be able to carry in schools as a teacher.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Entire kindergarten class unaccounted for.  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 14, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
Man... this story has really shook me up. That's not normal for me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
 :frown:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
Man... this story has really shook me up. That's not normal for me.

Yeah pretty horrible.  Had to call the wife to make sure she didn't let the kids watch tv today. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 12:54:59 PM
Really a terrible year of gun violence and this is the worst.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 12:56:27 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 14, 2012, 12:56:35 PM
Whole lot of folks are going to say that this is why you should be able to carry in schools as a teacher.

only people who will say that are huge dumbasses (no offense)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
Nice bait thread - shame on anyone that uses tragedy to push an agenda. :nono:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person
i don't disagree, but i think this was hand guns. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 14, 2012, 12:59:22 PM
Nice bait thread - shame on anyone that uses tragedy to push an agenda. :nono:

you're right, after 9/11 we should've done nothing different.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
Any gun used to assault is an assault weapon.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 01:00:14 PM
Heard a report that a high powered .223-caliber assault rifle was used
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
The problem is our culture of violence.  Pinning this on a gun culture is a cop out and shifts blame.  Gun control will not stop crazy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 14, 2012, 01:01:43 PM
Nice bait thread - shame on anyone that uses tragedy to push an agenda. :nono:

it's not a bait thread....they moved this from the original thread. 

it's not an agenda.  guns kill people.  that's it.  there is no other reason to have one except to kill or "just in case" you have to kill.

eff that crap.  innocent kids are dying because douchebags think they need guns for "protection"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
Guns make it easier for the impulsive to act swiftly and the cowardly to gain courage.

Yeah, dumb rough ridin' gun nuts will want to put more guns in the hands of people even though there isn't a single case of one of these psychos being mowed down by a legal carrying citizen.  And again this rough ridin' coward wore a vest meaning a teacher with a gun even if they gathered the courage to shoot wouldn't have did crap other than got killed.

so rough ridin' pissed man
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 01:03:03 PM
My boss's first reaction was that teachers should be packing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
Yes, guns do kill people - removing guns will stop guns from killing people.  But people will continue to kill people until you effectively deal with why that happens, not how that happens.  So if this isn't N agenda of yours, than I have to respectfully disagree Nd maintain that I believe your point of view to be terribly narrow sighted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 14, 2012, 01:05:16 PM
The problem is our culture of violence.  Pinning this on a gun culture is a cop out and shifts blame.  Gun control will not stop crazy.

You're right.  It would just limit the carnage.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on December 14, 2012, 01:05:25 PM
You have to be really sick to do this anywhere, but I can't think of many places worse than an elementary school.

That was probably the point.  Workplace, high school and college shootings have been done plenty.  A psychopath that wants lasting notoriety for his shooting rampage needs to stand out from the crowd.  Young children as the targets would seem to accomplish that goal. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 01:06:54 PM
Yes, guns do kill people - removing guns will stop guns from killing people.  But people will continue to kill people until you effectively deal with why that happens, not how that happens.  So if this isn't N agenda of yours, than I have to respectfully disagree Nd maintain that I believe your point of view to be terribly narrow sighted.

It's a whole lot harder to go on a rampage that kills 26 people without the guns, though. Granted, this was an elementary school, so the victims were helpless enough that a psycho could take down a large number of them with a knife.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 01:07:46 PM
I honestly can't think of a single benefit of guns outside of military and law enforcement hands
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Willesgirl on December 14, 2012, 01:11:02 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

And if you think politicizing the wackery of the nutjob that did this is a good idea less than four hours after it occurred, you're a bad person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 01:12:29 PM
Whole lot of folks are going to say that this is why you should be able to carry in schools as a teacher.

only people who will say that are huge dumbasses (no offense)

There are a lot of huge dumbasses in our country and there will be a lot of ppl saying it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 01:13:11 PM
Yep, i was wrong.  looks like a pretty serious rifle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:14:13 PM
I honestly can't think of a single benefit of guns outside of military and law enforcement hands

Do you honestly trust the military or law enforcement enough to be the only ones that can have guns?  I know enough riley rats & cops with small dick syndrome to know no one should depend on that for protection.

It's a whole lot harder to go on a rampage that kills 26 people without the guns, though. Granted, this was an elementary school, so the victims were helpless enough that a psycho could take down a large number of them with a knife.

Sorry, but this is just not an argument.  There are hundreds of ways to create massive amounts of destruction - even if you "could" get rid of all guns (which is not possible) this could have been much worse with a moving truck filled with fertilizer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

And if you think politicizing the wackery of the nutjob that did this is a good idea less than four hours after it occurred, you're a bad person.

Oh give me a break, but this is becoming too often of an occurence. Sorry to bring it up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 01:15:37 PM
I honestly can't think of a single benefit of guns outside of military and law enforcement hands

Do you honestly trust the military or law enforcement enough to be the only ones that can have guns?  I know enough riley rats & cops with small dick syndrome to know no one should depend on that for protection.

It's a whole lot harder to go on a rampage that kills 26 people without the guns, though. Granted, this was an elementary school, so the victims were helpless enough that a psycho could take down a large number of them with a knife.

Sorry, but this is just not an argument.  There are hundreds of ways to create massive amounts of destruction - even if you "could" get rid of all guns (which is not possible) this could have been much worse with a moving truck filled with fertilizer

Yes, and a 20 year old deadbeat intent on killing himself is going to have the ability, much less go to the trouble, to load up a moving truck with fertilizer and turn it into a bomb.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
One of the shooter's parents found shot to death in NJ?? WTF
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Good comparison idiot
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 01:16:29 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Cocaine is something self administered.  Have never heard of someone walking into their school/place of work and getting everyone high against their will.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
I honestly can't think of a single benefit of guns outside of military and law enforcement hands

Do you honestly trust the military or law enforcement enough to be the only ones that can have guns?  I know enough riley rats & cops with small dick syndrome to know no one should depend on that for protection.

It's a whole lot harder to go on a rampage that kills 26 people without the guns, though. Granted, this was an elementary school, so the victims were helpless enough that a psycho could take down a large number of them with a knife.

Sorry, but this is just not an argument.  There are hundreds of ways to create massive amounts of destruction - even if you "could" get rid of all guns (which is not possible) this could have been much worse with a moving truck filled with fertilizer

Yes, and a 20 year old deadbeat intent on killing himself is going to have the ability, much less go to the trouble, to load up a moving truck with fertilizer and turn it into a bomb.
yeah I guess that never happens.  What was I thinking?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 14, 2012, 01:18:01 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

And if you think politicizing the wackery of the nutjob that did this is a good idea less than four hours after it occurred, you're a bad person.

See, that is total bullshit.  When is an appropriate time to talk about it?  10 hours later?  2 weeks later?  A day before the next one?  Since people (roughly 88 a day) die of gun violence in the US every day, should we talk about it never?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
this might be the straw.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
Why does tragedy always turn into bitter pissing matches?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 01:22:04 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Good comparison idiot

I'm just saying the reason for the violence isn't because of the right to carry weapons it's because of rough ridin' psychos.  And those will always exist no matter how many guns you take away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Good comparison idiot

I'm just saying the reason for the violence isn't because of the right to carry weapons it's because of rough ridin' psychos.  And those will always exist no matter how many guns you take away

Will the rough ridin' psychos be armed with guns, though?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Willesgirl on December 14, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

And if you think politicizing the wackery of the nutjob that did this is a good idea less than four hours after it occurred, you're a bad person.

 
See, that is total bullshit.  When is an appropriate time to talk about it?  10 hours later?  2 weeks later?  A day before the next one?  Since people (roughly 88 a day) die of gun violence in the US every day, should we talk about it never?

Knock your socks off. Talk about it all day long. I just think you're more likely to offend AND say something completely stupid when a tragedy is fresh. I'm sure if everyone would just do exactly what 8MP says the world would be a much better place yada, yada, yada.

That said, I'm leaving the internet for the day. I don't want to hear it. There is literally nowhere on the Internets to avoid it today. Crazies gotta crazy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

And if you think politicizing the wackery of the nutjob that did this is a good idea less than four hours after it occurred, you're a bad person.

See, that is total bullshit.  When is an appropriate time to talk about it?  10 hours later?  2 weeks later?  A day before the next one?  Since people (roughly 88 a day) die of gun violence in the US every day, should we talk about it never?

It should be talked about more than it is and on a regular basis, but I would give the victims time to grieve about a horrific scene before people on 24 hour news networks simplify gun control to whether or not you are pro or against dead 8 year olds.  On a message board, however, talk about it all you want.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Good comparison idiot

I'm just saying the reason for the violence isn't because of the right to carry weapons it's because of rough ridin' psychos.  And those will always exist no matter how many guns you take away

Will the rough ridin' psychos be armed with guns, though?

If they want them they will get them.  I'm neither for or against a gun ban I'm just stating it's ignorant to think this stuff won't happen with a ban in place.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MeatSauce on December 14, 2012, 01:27:21 PM
My boss's first reaction was that teachers should be packing.
this was also the first reaction of all the insane people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2012, 01:30:52 PM
If you don't think assault weapons should be banned then you're a terrible person

Yep, banning cocaine and other drugs has kept them away from society...

 :flush:

Good comparison idiot

I'm just saying the reason for the violence isn't because of the right to carry weapons it's because of rough ridin' psychos.  And those will always exist no matter how many guns you take away

Will the rough ridin' psychos be armed with guns, though?
Yes, it is far to late to try to go back now. Millions of guns are in the open market. Millions more will be out before any legislation could be passed banning the sale of any new ones. There is no possible way for them to be taken away from people that already have them legally. If you outlaw guns at this point only outlaws will have guns. <---- I know this is a horribly cheesy line.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 01:33:56 PM
Are most mass shooters really outlaws, though? They mostly seem like depressed emo young adults to me. I don't think these guys are going to go to the trouble of obtaining guns on the black market just on the off chance that they one day might go crazy. I could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:35:47 PM
Yes, it is far to late to try to go back now. Millions of guns are in the open market. Millions more will be out before any legislation could be passed banning the sale of any new ones. There is no possible way for them to be taken away from people that already have them legally. If you outlaw guns at this point only outlaws will have guns. <---- I know this is a horribly cheesy line.

It's a horribly cheesy line because people are trying to dumb down their arguments to match "if we got rid of guns, violence like this wouldn't happen!"

I'm done being dragged down to this level of stupidity and will continue all gun debates with (http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/d5a/7c4/2d4/resized/creepy-willy-wonka-meme-generator-do-tell-me-about-this-cool-story-bro-b6ef01.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 14, 2012, 01:37:17 PM
I am sickened. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 01:38:58 PM
Just said his mom was in school and is dead

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 01:40:19 PM
Are most mass shooters really outlaws, though? They mostly seem like depressed emo young adults to me. I don't think these guys are going to go to the trouble of obtaining guns on the black market just on the off chance that they one day might go crazy. I could be wrong, though.

so which is it?  Are mass shooters

 20 year old deadbeat intent on killing himself

or are they crazy gun nuts that arm themselves with 4 weapons & a bullet proof vest?   Doesn't sound like a deadbeat... sounds like a guy that had problems and was intent on making a statement regardless of if he had to build a bomb or buy a crap load of guns to do it.

Fix Crazy = Stop Violence.

Remove Guns = Do nothing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Winters on December 14, 2012, 01:44:04 PM
just before the holidays. just awful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 01:45:32 PM
There has to be some reasonable legislation that can be passed by looking at some common thread between these nutjobs.  Be it limiting people to one non-hunting gun purchase every 6 months, banning assualt rifles or whatever.  The biggest problem with gun control legislation is groups fear mongering their consitiuents to keep from any reasonable discussion from happening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 01:45:54 PM
What if mom took away his xbox and he snapped and did this. It's not like you can just "fix crazy"

There are as many guns in this country as people. A 1:1 ratio
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 01:47:01 PM
Are most mass shooters really outlaws, though? They mostly seem like depressed emo young adults to me. I don't think these guys are going to go to the trouble of obtaining guns on the black market just on the off chance that they one day might go crazy. I could be wrong, though.

so which is it?  Are mass shooters

 20 year old deadbeat intent on killing himself

or are they crazy gun nuts that arm themselves with 4 weapons & a bullet proof vest?   Doesn't sound like a deadbeat... sounds like a guy that had problems and was intent on making a statement regardless of if he had to build a bomb or buy a crap load of guns to do it.

Fix Crazy = Stop Violence.

Remove Guns = Do nothing.

He sounds like a deadbeat to me.

Maybe he already owned the guns. :dunno:

It's also a whole lot easier to go to the store and purchase a few guns than it is to build a bomb.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 01:47:06 PM
I don't remember the last time something upset me this much.  I cannot bring myself to get anything done at work today, just really sad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 14, 2012, 01:47:54 PM
Building a bomb is easier, IMO.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 01:50:00 PM
Listen, I realize the guy was nuts, and if he was hellbent on killing some one, he was going to do it.  But seriously regulating guns would make crimes like this harder.  That's a good thing. 

The government sanctioning the power for citizens to have the capacity to enact "point and shoot" death is just bizarre.  The answer may not be enacting swift, broad laws that make guns illegal (though it might be), but it seems to me that continuing to produce guns and ammunition without change seems like a strange strategy to stop this problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 01:51:49 PM
Listen, I realize the guy was nuts, and if he was hellbent on killing some one, he was going to do it.  But seriously regulating guns would make crimes like this harder.  That's a good thing. 

The government sanctioning the power for citizens to have the capacity to enact "point and shoot" death is just bizarre.  The answer may not be enacting swift, broad laws that make guns illegal (though it might be), but it seems to me that continuing to produce guns and ammunition without change seems like a strange strategy to stop this problem.

agree with this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 14, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 


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Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
theres a lot of bad bitches in the building #amen
3d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
amber's a bitch slut
9d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
how are my oppo bars cleaner than my regular bars? #bmxproblems
10d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
the feeling when you know youve lost everyone who used too care about you <<
Ryan Lanza retweeted
13d

WIZDOM @WizKhalllifa
Nothing feels worse than being ignored by the person who means the most to you.
11d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
i want my bestfriend back.. why did everything have to change... again.. #missyoulots #wishyouwouldtxtback
11d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
i would actually love if the world ended in 2 weeks.. #fucklife
13d


Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
when im pissed as eff and people try to make me laugh << like no, just stfu
Ryan Lanza retweeted
16d

Amber Kovach @akovach_22
K
Ryan Lanza retweeted
18d

Stan Wodzisz @StanWodzisz
Why can't I sleep
Ryan Lanza retweeted
22d

Adam LZ @Adam_LZ
eff Thanksgiving I just want to put my bike together and cruise #ridaz
Ryan Lanza retweeted
21d

Stan Wodzisz @StanWodzisz
I don't think today can get much worse
21d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
depression… fml…
Ryan Lanza retweeted
21d

Evan Tamer @evan_tamer06
#IAmThankfulFor my bike! Even though she hurts me, I still love her <3
22d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
why does this seem too good too be true?
32d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
i truely feel that the world would b a better place without me, im not depressed or anythin its just im thinken about what would b different
32d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
blowen all my black ops money
Ryan Lanza retweeted
35d

????€?? Sanzo @garrettsanzo
@Ryan__Lanza 's #parentproblems
36d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
people who lie so they dont look bad #annoyingasfuck
Reply
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36d

Ryan Lanza @Ryan__Lanza
i rough ridin' hate skate 3
? Back
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.  your chances of dying by gunfire from a stranger are insignificant.  even debating the issue is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 01:54:33 PM
Agree with Dlew.

Also, the news trying to interview every 11 year old leaving the school on TV is pretty sick, imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 01:54:55 PM
Building a bomb is easier, IMO.  :dunno:

I think it's a whole lot harder. Buying a gun requires you to bring money to a store.

Building a bomb requires you learning how to build the bomb, purchasing materials, actually assembling the bomb, and then working out the logistics of how you are actually going to set it off.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 14, 2012, 01:56:37 PM
Building a bomb is easier, IMO.  :dunno:

I think it's a whole lot harder. Buying a gun requires you to bring money to a store.

Building a bomb requires you learning how to build the bomb, purchasing materials, actually assembling the bomb, and then working out the logistics of how you are actually going to set it off.

Well once you get past the knowledge part (which I now realize isn't that common) you don't even have to leave your house to make something pretty nasty.  Would take less time than driving to the gun shop and waiting for the paperwork to go through.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
I don't remember the last time something upset me this much.  I cannot bring myself to get anything done at work today, just really sad
ditto. if you have young kids, it's impossible not to immediately imagine that was your child that was either shot and killed senselessly or witnessed the horror first hand.

what a sad and tragic world we live in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on December 14, 2012, 01:59:10 PM
This is really bothering me.  I want to leave work and go pull my daughter out of class just to hug her.     :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on December 14, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on December 14, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
I can't think of a reason why principals and teachers shouldn't have guns. Seriously, put a safe in the teachers lounge, give a couple responsible trained people the code, some idiot tries this, Principal runs to safe, hands out guns to teachers.... the guy is done for.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 14, 2012, 02:01:52 PM
I can't think of a reason why principals and teachers shouldn't have guns. Seriously, put a safe in the teachers lounge, give a couple responsible trained people the code, some idiot tries this, Principal runs to safe, hands out guns to teachers.... the guy is done for.

you're a rough ridin' idiot
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 02:02:23 PM
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"

They are probably more likely to get struck by lightning than actually end up in a situation like this. It definitely could happen, though. Pretty scary stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 

...

welp...his 666 followers have to live with that the rest of their lives.  knowing they might've been able to stop this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2012, 02:04:21 PM
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"

They are probably more likely to get struck by lightning than actually end up in a situation like this. It definitely could happen, though. Pretty scary stuff.
Not kids in a school related but this is why I have a CCL. I'm not going to allow it to happen to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on December 14, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 

...

welp...his 666 followers have to live with that the rest of their lives.  knowing they might've been able to stop this.

Quote
Ryan Lanza ?@Ryan__Lanza
so aperently im getting spammed bc someone with the same name as me killed some ppl... wtf?


I think they'll be okay. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 14, 2012, 02:06:42 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 

...

welp...his 666 followers have to live with that the rest of their lives.  knowing they might've been able to stop this.

Quote
Ryan Lanza ?@Ryan__Lanza
so aperently im getting spammed bc someone with the same name as me killed some ppl... wtf?


I think they'll be okay.

Man.  I'm glad my name is not Ryan Lanza today.  Weird that that guy's tweets are all about depression though. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 02:06:53 PM
He should probably get help anyway. That twitter feed is pretty disturbing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 

...

welp...his 666 followers have to live with that the rest of their lives.  knowing they might've been able to stop this.

Quote
Ryan Lanza ?@Ryan__Lanza
so aperently im getting spammed bc someone with the same name as me killed some ppl... wtf?


I think they'll be okay. 

i'm guessing it's been hacked. the account had around 100 followers when whitlock first tweeted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 14, 2012, 02:07:34 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 

...

welp...his 666 followers have to live with that the rest of their lives.  knowing they might've been able to stop this.

Pretty much.  This perceived apathy that has contaminated our society is a bigger problem than guns, IMO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on December 14, 2012, 02:12:28 PM
I can't think of a reason why principals and teachers shouldn't have guns. Seriously, put a safe in the teachers lounge, give a couple responsible trained people the code, some idiot tries this, Principal runs to safe, hands out guns to teachers.... the guy is done for.

you're a rough ridin' idiot

the guy is done for
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 02:12:41 PM
Never had a problem with people owning guns (my great grandfather was a gunsmith.) But I don't know how people who see that there are tens of thousands of people shot every year in the country and not think we should talk about starting to lower the amount of guns in this country.

Also, as it seems is the case, this is a cry for a better healthcare system in this country. Sounds like this guy was depressed to the point of near suicide, like more shooters. If he had gotten help this tragedy could've been avoided altogether.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
Ryan Lanza is the shooter according to some people.  Jason Whitlock linked his twitter.  When I went to his page he had 666 followers I kid you not. 

https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza
 (https://twitter.com/Ryan__Lanza)
Here are his tweets. 

...

welp...his 666 followers have to live with that the rest of their lives.  knowing they might've been able to stop this.

Pretty much.  This perceived apathy that has contaminated our society is a bigger problem than guns, IMO.

out of all of the rough ridin' morons that responded to his last tweet, this is the only guy that gets it:

Quote
Tracey Dukes ?@TraceyDukes

@Ryan__Lanza although its not you, You still may be depressed, and should consider some sort of counseling.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 02:15:11 PM
The personality type of the many elementary school teachers I know are the exact wrong type to expect to take up arms against armed intruders.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
I can't think of a reason why principals and teachers shouldn't have guns. Seriously, put a safe in the teachers lounge, give a couple responsible trained people the code, some idiot tries this, Principal runs to safe, hands out guns to teachers.... the guy is done for.

JFC
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 02:17:27 PM
Not to mention that if I hear gunfire in the building, the last thing I'm going to try to do is run out into the hallway to try to make it to the teachers' lounge.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 02:17:57 PM
rough ridin' scary how typical all of his tweets are. This could have been anyone from the facebook status/twitter from your hometown thread. I am going to confront IRL anyone now who posts a status update about how awful they think their life is.






Quote
CNN has identified the shooter as Ryan Lanza. NBC News is reporting Lanza's mother was a kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary and it was in her classroom where most of the violence occurred, she is one of the dead.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 14, 2012, 02:20:37 PM
Not to mention that if I hear gunfire in the building, the last thing I'm going to try to do is run out into the hallway to try to make it to the teachers' lounge.

Yeah, they should have it in their holster, not locked away in some safe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on December 14, 2012, 02:20:52 PM
Not to mention that if I hear gunfire in the building, the last thing I'm going to try to do is run out into the hallway to try to make it to the teachers' lounge.
THERE'D BE A SECRET PASSAGE!!! :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 02:22:10 PM
This is really similar to the massacre in the UK that directly led to their gun ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on December 14, 2012, 02:22:47 PM
rough ridin' scary how typical all of his tweets are. This could have been anyone from the facebook status/twitter from your hometown thread. I am going to confront IRL anyone now who posts a status update about how awful they think their life is.
Quote

Force them to get help and if they don't want to or it doesn't take, do it harder and more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
This is really similar to the massacre in the UK that directly led to their gun ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre)

Which led to a copycat committing the worst shooting in Australian history, leading to their gun bans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
God damn  :bawl:

2:48 p.m.: Hero teacher Kaitlin Roig tells ABC News that she barricaded her first grade students in classroom bathroom and locked the door when she first heard gun shots. “The kids were being so good. They asked: ‘Can we go see if anyone is out there? … I just want Christmas… I don’t want to die, I just want to have Christmas.’ I said, you’re going to have Christmas and Hanukkah.. I tried to be positive.”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 14, 2012, 02:24:57 PM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.  your chances of dying by gunfire from a stranger are insignificant.  even debating the issue is a waste of time.

Wrong. Guns are used in thousands of robberies, sexual assaults, non-lethal shootings and other assorted acts of violence every year in this country with enormous social and economic costs that we all pay for.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 02:26:38 PM
Just read that killers gf and friend in NJ are also missing.  Sounds like he killed dad at home, gf and friend at home, and mom at school. Maybe

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Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
The initial intend of alcohol and guns are not specifically to kill

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 02:28:34 PM
Guns per capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country)

this sucks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 02:29:02 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

 :flush:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 02:30:14 PM
Killers bro now found dead per twitter. Guy just decided to kill everyone

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AppleJack on December 14, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
I don't give teachers near enough credit, they are awesome.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 02:31:05 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chunkles on December 14, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
was just at my kids' school.  None of that staff is oscar rough ridin' Willis.  Plus, schools are so spread out, you'd need a magic pneumatic tube system to transport guns to the teachers, or worse yet hope the killers didn't think of securing the front office first. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 14, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
A national news story has never made me cry. Horrific day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.  your chances of dying by gunfire from a stranger are insignificant.  even debating the issue is a waste of time.

jesus christ :flush:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.  your chances of dying by gunfire from a stranger are insignificant.  even debating the issue is a waste of time.

jesus christ :flush:

a misapplication of his malthusian act.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 02:37:31 PM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.  your chances of dying by gunfire from a stranger are insignificant.  even debating the issue is a waste of time.

jesus christ :flush:

a misapplication of his malthusian act.

hopefully it just went over my head
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 02:39:48 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

Nobody will fund that.  They don't fund schools as is.  Also, I picture a horrific scene with a gunman in the hallway and people not buzzing students in for fear of the gunman getting in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 02:41:07 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2012, 02:42:17 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.
:blank:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 02:43:31 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?

do whatever the UK did :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

We have tons of soldiers overseas that could be used as security for schools.  I don't really want to get into a discussion on that though, just spitballing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 02:44:46 PM
Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What are the other purposes?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?
are you saying the answer is to keep producing guns and ammunition at the current rate?

or are guns completely irrelevant to the topic of gun related crime?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 02:46:17 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?
are you saying the answer is to keep producing guns and ammunition at the current rate?

durrrr 2nd amendment!!! durrrrrr
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 02:49:22 PM
Getting stupid in here

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Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
I can't think of a reason why principals and teachers shouldn't have guns. Seriously, put a safe in the teachers lounge, give a couple responsible trained people the code, some idiot tries this, Principal runs to safe, hands out guns to teachers.... the guy is done for.

A poorly trained teacher militia spraying bullets in schools will solve everything.  I've been saying this for awhile
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.
:blank:

Have a shot gun. Never killed a person. Never killed a animal. Use it for skeet shooting. Am I a monster?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
btw, you can have your gun debate if you want, but the real question is how rough ridin' hard would it be to put a bullet-proof entryway and buzzer at the door of every school?  we'll never protect everyone from everything everywhere, but we should at least be willing to do everything we can to protect our children at their rough ridin' school. this was rough ridin' preventable and a pretty easy fix. goddamit. eff.

real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?
are you saying the answer is to keep producing guns and ammunition at the current rate?

or are guns completely irrelevant to the topic of gun related crime?
whoa whoa whoa.  don't peg me as a pro-gun guy.  I'm a realist.  the reality is that there's no effective way to rid the country of the millions of guns that are floating around right now.  if you want to talk about new gun regulations, I think that's a very important debate that we need to be having.  new gun regulations aren't going to stop shootings like these any time soon.  there's a lot of guns out there and a never ending supply of demand for those guns...whether it's legal or not.  increased security at the front doors of our nations schools isn't that hard of a fix and is doable immediately.

but yes, regulating and limiting what types of guns and ammo can be produced and in what quantities would be a great first step.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 02:56:00 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
This is not an issue of gun control or living in a gun culture.  This is an issue of parents putting their kids in front of a TV/video game instead of spending time with them.  This is an issue of single parent families working 16 hour days leaving kids at home to fend for themselves.   People are spending the early stages of their lives without some sort of meaningful human interaction or connection to anyone.   People that know what love is do not resort to this type of violence. 

People in this very thread are referring to this guy as a dead beat/gun nut/loser/etc.   He didn’t get that way by having a fantastic family life. Maybe people will come out and say “he had loving parents, this isn’t like him, etc etc”  But maybe people thinking his childhood was just peachy is just evidence of how low our standards are.  People are quick to point out that this type of thing doesn’t happen in Canada or whatever other country has strict gun control – but what is their home life like?  What are the rates of single parents raising children / teen pregnancy rates / abortion rates / etc. 

This just seems so evident of what the problem is, and is exemplified by everyone’s reactions.  Instead of looking to each other with sympathy and wanting to run and hug our children or anyone close by really – we argue and fight over crap that doesn’t even matter.  “Gun control will limit the damage” Is that honestly an argument?   Fixing a home life or a child’s up bringing cannot be fixed with legislation.  This problem will not go away by means of some law.   And arguing over the cook killing the housekeeper with the candlestick applies a smoke screen to the real issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 02:59:19 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.

that's just practicing and saving up for killing. collect baseball cards if you need to compensate for something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.
:blank:

Have a shot gun. Never killed a person. Never killed a animal. Use it for skeet shooting. Am I a monster?
Seem selfish.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 03:00:43 PM
smoke screen to the real issue.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.

that's just practicing and saving up for killing. collect baseball cards if you need to compensate for something.

I would rather blame the eff ups that kill people than the implement of there terror.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.

that's just practicing and saving up for killing. collect baseball cards if you need to compensate for something.

I would rather blame the eff ups that kill people than the implement of there terror.

nobody isn't blaming them. there's a rough ridin' shitload of blame to be passed around.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 03:09:46 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.

that's just practicing and saving up for killing. collect baseball cards if you need to compensate for something.

I would rather blame the eff ups that kill people than the implement of there terror.

nobody isn't blaming them. there's a rough ridin' shitload of blame to be passed around.

Really? I blame solely this rough rider to killed these people. Why does it have to be more for some people.

Do you blame the planes that kill the people during 9/11? Me I blame the terrorist.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 03:10:32 PM
Frank Martin ?@FrankMartin_SC
remember u went 2 school & learned respect,discipline & life skills. school building was a safe haven. N our country thats no longer da case

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SwiftCat on December 14, 2012, 03:11:00 PM
Very sad :(
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2012, 03:11:30 PM
Well, we also blamed security and shitloads of other people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 03:13:19 PM
Well, we also blamed security and shitloads of other people.

Why?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
I can't think of a reason why principals and teachers shouldn't have guns. Seriously, put a safe in the teachers lounge, give a couple responsible trained people the code, some idiot tries this, Principal runs to safe, hands out guns to teachers.... the guy is done for.

Ironic that pro gun people have the least amount of respect for guns.  You know this really happened, it wasn't a video game or a movie.  In what world do you live in where a panicked teacher with a Saturday night special can take down a cold-blooded killer in a vest who murdered 26 people?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 03:16:18 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.

That doesn't change the fact that they are still designed to kill...

but if you're just using guns for skeet shooting, you'd be okay with a handgun ban?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 03:16:36 PM
jesus christ :flush:

a misapplication of his malthusian act.
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hopefully it just went over my head
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it's not an act, and it's unlikely that it went over your head.  an individual's risk of dying in one of these massacre incidents is infinitesimal.  the reactions exhibited here are emotional, not rational.  if you want to debate gun control, it should be for the reasons mentioned by moscow, not in response to some isolated horrific incident. 

as a separate point, i'd also be against limitations on gun ownership for the reasons moscow brought up, even though that at least would be (or could be) a rational debate.  the development of personal firearms and the spread of those weapons to the poor of the world has arguably been one of the greatest forces for democratization in history.  prior to the invention of firearms, the ability to kill other people organized to resist being killed required extremely expensive equipment and a lifetime of training - it was the exclusive provenance of the nations and of the very wealthy who acted as if they were nations.  when a peasant could pick up a gun and kill a lord, the world changed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2012, 03:16:55 PM
Well, we also blamed security and shitloads of other people.

Why?
Because doing so has led to the thwarting of other attacks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
Stop responding to stormnut.  Its been proven time and again that he's a simple minded dumb eff who can't comprehend complex topics.  His analogies on this topic prove he has the logic and IQ of a 12 year old kid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 03:18:39 PM
People driving cars kill thousands each year, so ban cars

Drunk people kill thousands each year, so ban alcohol

People kill thousands each year, blame something else

Cars are designed to transport people and things. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Well, since drunk drivers kill people every year, maybe we should just make it legal, since we haven't eliminated it completely? And it's not like we spend a lot of money on campaigns advertising people not to drink and drive...

A gun is cheap power, and power corrupts.

Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What other purpose does it serve, then?

Skeet shooting, Target shooting, Collecting.

That doesn't change the fact that they are still designed to kill...

but if you're just using guns for skeet shooting, you'd be okay with a handgun ban?

Why ban handguns? Not a fan of them but they have just as many recreational uses and the next firearm. They should not be given out like candy though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?

it might take 10 or 15 years. there are reasons for people to support a less gun-saturated america.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 03:19:00 PM
Frank Martin ?@FrankMartin_SC
remember u went 2 school & learned respect,discipline & life skills. school building was a safe haven. N our country thats no longer da case

 :facepalm:

He could use an english class or 2
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 03:23:35 PM
Stop responding to stormnut.  Its been proven time and again that he's a simple minded dumb eff who can't comprehend complex topics.  His analogies on this topic prove he has the logic and IQ of a 12 year old kid.
No sure why you are insulting me and resorting to name calling. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
Quote
The Associated Press is clearing up mixed reports: 20-year-old Adam Lanza is the shooter, his older brother Ryan is in custody being questioned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on December 14, 2012, 03:27:40 PM
eff the press for bringing this guys name up constantly, pisses me off, eff him
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 03:27:50 PM
jesus christ :flush:

a misapplication of his malthusian act.

hopefully it just went over my head
[/quote]

it's not an act, and it's unlikely that it went over your head.  an individual's risk of dying in one of these massacre incidents is infinitesimal.  the reactions exhibited here are emotional, not rational.  if you want to debate gun control, it should be for the reasons mentioned by moscow, not in response to some isolated horrific incident. 

as a separate point, i'd also be against limitations on gun ownership for the reasons moscow brought up, even though that at least would be (or could be) a rational debate.  the development of personal firearms and the spread of those weapons to the poor of the world has arguably been one of the greatest forces for democratization in history.  prior to the invention of firearms, the ability to kill other people organized to resist being killed required extremely expensive equipment and a lifetime of training - it was the exclusive provenance of the nations and of the very wealthy who acted as if they were nations.  when a peasant could pick up a gun and kill a lord, the world changed.
[/quote]

Your logic in both paragraphs is astounding.  I'm confused about what the frequency and odds of being killed by gun violence has to do with whether or not something should be done about it.  There have been literally millions of innocent Americans whose lives have been cut short by gun violence.  Furthermore the amount of innocent killed in relation to a perpetrator killed by someone defending him/herself is so out of wack I don't know how people can continue to use this as a rationalization for the widespread legalization of firearms.

To your second point, that was valid half a century ago.  Now whether you are talking about the local police or a national army the weaponry that these people have are far more advanced and deadly than any weaponry a citizen protecting himself from the oppressor can have.  Should we let people have tanks and bombers too?  How will the Syrians use their guns when they have sarin bombs dropped on their heads?  Should they get sarin too?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 03:31:50 PM
Also this is not "reaction to an isolated incident" and you know that.  Hopefully this is a tipping point and we catch up to the rest of society, we will at some point I just hope we don't have to endure more mall shootings, grocery store shootings, movie theatre shootings, school shootings before we decide to shut the vocal minority up on this issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 03:36:05 PM
Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story)

Notice the body count.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?

it might take 10 or 15 years. there are reasons for people to support a less gun-saturated america.

Then what?  Does everyone put down their gun?  Cops, Military, Homeland Security, FBI, FDA, every person in any other country also put down their gun?  Do independent craftsman and/or machine shops stop producing springs, metal pipes, or fabricating and machining parts that could be used to build a gun to be sold on the black market? 

The thought is ridiculous.  This is why the "drugs are illegal and they're still prevalent" argument always comes up in such painful and annoying fashion - because the thought that getting rid of all guns is possible or even capable of producing some results is just as annoying and painful to hear. 

The silk road may get shut down, but the deep web will produce some other method of obtaining illegal contraband.  A "less gun-saturated america" is not possible or feasible without first addressing people's need and/or desire to have guns.  Stop violence, then get rid of guns.  Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will not work.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Acceleration Man on December 14, 2012, 03:38:48 PM
This is not an issue of gun control or living in a gun culture.  This is an issue of parents putting their kids in front of a TV/video game instead of spending time with them.  This is an issue of single parent families working 16 hour days leaving kids at home to fend for themselves.   People are spending the early stages of their lives without some sort of meaningful human interaction or connection to anyone.   People that know what love is do not resort to this type of violence. 

People in this very thread are referring to this guy as a dead beat/gun nut/loser/etc.   He didn’t get that way by having a fantastic family life. Maybe people will come out and say “he had loving parents, this isn’t like him, etc etc”  But maybe people thinking his childhood was just peachy is just evidence of how low our standards are.  People are quick to point out that this type of thing doesn’t happen in Canada or whatever other country has strict gun control – but what is their home life like?  What are the rates of single parents raising children / teen pregnancy rates / abortion rates / etc. 

This just seems so evident of what the problem is, and is exemplified by everyone’s reactions.  Instead of looking to each other with sympathy and wanting to run and hug our children or anyone close by really – we argue and fight over crap that doesn’t even matter.  “Gun control will limit the damage” Is that honestly an argument?   Fixing a home life or a child’s up bringing cannot be fixed with legislation.  This problem will not go away by means of some law.   And arguing over the cook killing the housekeeper with the candlestick applies a smoke screen to the real issue.

HB, you're headed in the right direction with this. It comes down to the fact that our culture is declining at a rapid rate morally and spiritually. This has consequences. Most people that are abhorred by this type of thing don't realize that their actions (or lack thereof) contribute to the overall environment that fosters this type of result. Going all in on gun control rather than the cultural ideology and worldview that leads to this type of incident is one of them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?

it might take 10 or 15 years. there are reasons for people to support a less gun-saturated america.

Then what?  Does everyone put down their gun?  Cops, Military, Homeland Security, FBI, FDA, every person in any other country also put down their gun?  Do independent craftsman and/or machine shops stop producing springs, metal pipes, or fabricating and machining parts that could be used to build a gun to be sold on the black market? 

The thought is ridiculous.  This is why the "drugs are illegal and they're still prevalent" argument always comes up in such painful and annoying fashion - because the thought that getting rid of all guns is possible or even capable of producing some results is just as annoying and painful to hear. 

The silk road may get shut down, but the deep web will produce some other method of obtaining illegal contraband.  A "less gun-saturated america" is not possible or feasible without first addressing people's need and/or desire to have guns.  Stop violence, then get rid of guns.  Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will not work.

the argument that it would be hard to take them away so we shouldn't is a dog crap argument
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2012, 03:42:39 PM
If you try to take away guns from people that already have them you will only validate the "gun nuts". I have no problem limiting them in the future but you can not turn back the clock an undue what is already done.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Johnny Wichita on December 14, 2012, 03:46:45 PM
This is so awful.  My god. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 03:48:41 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 03:49:30 PM
real question is could this guy have killed 30 people without a gun.
are you saying you have a strategy to effectively get rid of all of the guns in this country?

it might take 10 or 15 years. there are reasons for people to support a less gun-saturated america.

Then what?  Does everyone put down their gun?  Cops, Military, Homeland Security, FBI, FDA, every person in any other country also put down their gun?  Do independent craftsman and/or machine shops stop producing springs, metal pipes, or fabricating and machining parts that could be used to build a gun to be sold on the black market? 

The thought is ridiculous.  This is why the "drugs are illegal and they're still prevalent" argument always comes up in such painful and annoying fashion - because the thought that getting rid of all guns is possible or even capable of producing some results is just as annoying and painful to hear. 

The silk road may get shut down, but the deep web will produce some other method of obtaining illegal contraband.  A "less gun-saturated america" is not possible or feasible without first addressing people's need and/or desire to have guns.  Stop violence, then get rid of guns.  Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will not work.

the argument that it would be hard to take them away so we shouldn't is a dog crap argument

It's not a matter of "Hard", it's impossible.  I happen to think the argument that this douche would not have committed a similar act without guns is a dog crap argument.   

I really can't go any further without making some ignorant cliche response like "did the gun kill those kids or did the guy?" 

Are people really needing me to go there? Are you naive enough to believe violence would cease to exist if the common tools of violence were removed?  That's just as illogical as the argument so many here are bashing; that more guns available would have stopped this problem (an argument btw, that I would have made several months ago - until I understood that it wasn't a matter of more guns in peoples hands, but more guns in the right peoples hands and less wrong people with guns in their hands)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 03:50:31 PM
Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story)

Notice the body count.

What the eff is your point man?  Should we compare the number of people killed with knives in China to those killed with guns in America?  We have 700,000,000 less people in America than they do in China. I'm willing to bet you anything that we have more gun deaths than they have knife deaths.  Name the terms and take the bet.

Second spree killing this week, the only thing that prevented more deaths in Portland was a jammed gun.  Were there multiple spree stabbings in China this year?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 14, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Then what?  Does everyone put down their gun?  Cops, Military, Homeland Security, FBI, FDA, every person in any other country also put down their gun?  Do independent craftsman and/or machine shops stop producing springs, metal pipes, or fabricating and machining parts that could be used to build a gun to be sold on the black market? 

The thought is ridiculous.  This is why the "drugs are illegal and they're still prevalent" argument always comes up in such painful and annoying fashion - because the thought that getting rid of all guns is possible or even capable of producing some results is just as annoying and painful to hear. 

The silk road may get shut down, but the deep web will produce some other method of obtaining illegal contraband.  A "less gun-saturated america" is not possible or feasible without first addressing people's need and/or desire to have guns.  Stop violence, then get rid of guns.  Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will not work.

Cops could mostly put down their guns. People who continue to make guns would get drastically higher penalties. This Newtown guy was not going to build a gun from black market pieces or be able to pay for a black market gun. Without drug wars, criminal enterprise doesn't have a lot of use for guns. Do they?

I think gun ownership is the result of fear, not a desire for violence. The violence is unplanned and comes later. Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will work.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 03:53:28 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2012, 03:53:52 PM
Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story)

Notice the body count.

What the eff is your point man?  Should we compare the number of people killed with knives in China to those killed with guns in America?  We have 700,000,000 less people in America than they do in China. I'm willing to bet you anything that we have more gun deaths than they have knife deaths.  Name the terms and take the bet.

Second spree killing this week, the only thing that prevented more deaths in Portland was a jammed gun.  Were there multiple spree stabbings in China this year?
Did anyone die in the knife attacks this morning?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 03:55:27 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

There are plenty of guns that can be used as sporting weapons that are less lethal.  England, Canada, and Australia all have gun bans but legal hunting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on December 14, 2012, 03:55:42 PM
The 2 kids at Columbine got their weapons illegally.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 03:58:25 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

yeah... I wouldn't make that argument. 


And this is the problem at hand; not bashing you, but the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

There are plenty of guns that can be used as sporting weapons that are less lethal.  England, Canada, and Australia all have gun bans but legal hunting.

It's also expensive as crap to own a gun in any of those countries - which means only the upper class are afforded such amazing opportunities - and if you're poor and a criminal - you can still get your hands on a gun by beating the crap out of some rich dude. 

But that probably isn't as prevalent there either; they probably have other social factors that could attribute to less violence.  I'd be willing to bet that our non-gun violence is equal or greater than each one of those countries non-gun violence rates.   Maybe it IS more of a social issue?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.

95% of people are too lazy to make their own ammo I'd say. I know I wouldnt
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 04:04:27 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.

Would still limit the damage some.  Killing someone becomes less immediate if people have to spend the time stuffing chowder into bullets.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on December 14, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
shoot skeet

Happy holidays everybody.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 04:05:49 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

yeah... I wouldn't make that argument. 


And this is the problem at hand; not bashing you, but the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

Can someone who doesn't think that a gun ban wouldn't significantly curb murder rates in this country please tell me how they rationalize decreases in murder rate in other 1st world, western countries that have instituted gun bans?  Do it without the "bad people would still kill" strawman.  I don't think anyone who favors a gun ban thinks that murder would suddenly disappear.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 04:06:00 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 04:06:11 PM
It's a heartbreaking tragedy. Absolutely heartbreaking.  Something needs to change.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:06:13 PM
Then what?  Does everyone put down their gun?  Cops, Military, Homeland Security, FBI, FDA, every person in any other country also put down their gun?  Do independent craftsman and/or machine shops stop producing springs, metal pipes, or fabricating and machining parts that could be used to build a gun to be sold on the black market? 

The thought is ridiculous.  This is why the "drugs are illegal and they're still prevalent" argument always comes up in such painful and annoying fashion - because the thought that getting rid of all guns is possible or even capable of producing some results is just as annoying and painful to hear. 

The silk road may get shut down, but the deep web will produce some other method of obtaining illegal contraband.  A "less gun-saturated america" is not possible or feasible without first addressing people's need and/or desire to have guns.  Stop violence, then get rid of guns.  Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will not work.

Cops could mostly put down their guns. People who continue to make guns would get drastically higher penalties. This Newtown guy was not going to build a gun from black market pieces or be able to pay for a black market gun. Without drug wars, criminal enterprise doesn't have a lot of use for guns. Do they?

I think gun ownership is the result of fear, not a desire for violence. The violence is unplanned and comes later. Getting rid of guns, then stopping violence will work.

This is just naive. He doesn't need to build it, he can buy it.  Research bit-coins & the deep web.  You can buy any illegal thing you can think of for little investment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2012, 04:08:31 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt?
You make your own bullet. Are you suggesting they ban the sale of lead too?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:09:01 PM
95% of people are too lazy to make their own ammo I'd say. I know I wouldnt

But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt?

You could still buy it.  Do people ONLY make their own heroin?  Pot? DMT? Fully Automatic guns?  Where do they get this stuff?  It's illegal!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt for sport?

People that defend the 2nd ammendment fot the sake of defending it will be against it.  Also, any restrictions will be met with "slippery slope" arguments that are what Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) people use when wanting to be against something, but having no reason to actually be against it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 04:10:50 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt?

You could still buy it.  Do people ONLY make their own heroin?  Pot? DMT? Fully Automatic guns?  Where do they get this stuff?  It's illegal!

No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

There are plenty of guns that can be used as sporting weapons that are less lethal.  England, Canada, and Australia all have gun bans but legal hunting.

It's also expensive as crap to own a gun in any of those countries - which means only the upper class are afforded such amazing opportunities - and if you're poor and a criminal - you can still get your hands on a gun by beating the crap out of some rich dude. 

But that probably isn't as prevalent there either; they probably have other social factors that could attribute to less violence.  I'd be willing to bet that our non-gun violence is equal or greater than each one of those countries non-gun violence rates.   Maybe it IS more of a social issue?

yeah, its harder for people to get guns, that's the point.

I don't care about violence rates, I care about murder rates.  I may be off base here but I think most people would rather be beaten than shot to death :dunno: and GMAFB about the social/violent nature crap.  Even if this was true, it isn't, that's a further argument to limit access to firearms, not an argument to arm more people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

There are plenty of guns that can be used as sporting weapons that are less lethal.  England, Canada, and Australia all have gun bans but legal hunting.

It's also expensive as crap to own a gun in any of those countries - which means only the upper class are afforded such amazing opportunities - and if you're poor and a criminal - you can still get your hands on a gun by beating the crap out of some rich dude. 


But that probably isn't as prevalent there either; they probably have other social factors that could attribute to less violence.  I'd be willing to bet that our non-gun violence is equal or greater than each one of those countries non-gun violence rates.   Maybe it IS more of a social issue?

How does that make sense in your world? "Oh look, some rich dude, better beat him up and hope he's carrying his sporting rifle on him, otherwise this would be stupid."

As to your second point - wouldn't that be an argument for restricting guns? If rates of violence are similar, but those countries have fewer fatalities, seems to be a favorable argument for limiting access to firearms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.

So now we're into the accountability realm of the argument.  We're going to go to these great lengths to stop violence so that when we see a crazy man shoot a bunch of kids up with "lethal bullets" we'll be able to prosecute him for not only killing kids but for owning lethal bullets.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.

So now we're into the accountability realm of the argument.  We're going to go to these great lengths to stop violence so that when we see a crazy man shoot a bunch of kids up with "lethal bullets" we'll be able to prosecute him for not only killing kids but for owning lethal bullets.

Also, we could potentially prosecute him before the shooting of the kids happens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on December 14, 2012, 04:15:40 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt?

You could still buy it.  Do people ONLY make their own heroin?  Pot? DMT? Fully Automatic guns?  Where do they get this stuff?  It's illegal!

No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.

No.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 04:16:28 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
What the hell is your point here?  What do you think the purposes of laws are?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:16:30 PM
No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.

So now we're into the accountability realm of the argument.  We're going to go to these great lengths to stop violence so that when we see a crazy man shoot a bunch of kids up with "lethal bullets" we'll be able to prosecute him for not only killing kids but for owning lethal bullets.

Also, we could potentially prosecute him before the shooting of the kids happens.

Could we really?  That's ridiculous.  We're all probably breaking some stupid law right now.  People buy illegal drugs & use them without anyone ever knowing.  People drive drunk without anyone ever knowing.  People abuse children/wifes/animals without anyone ever knowing.  We're grasping at straws by having this conversation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2012, 04:16:57 PM
What if we prohibited the production of ammunition (as we know it) for citizens, and only permit the production of less lethal rubber bullets?  Is this dumb?

People could still defend themselves and shoot skeet and target practice and their guns wouldn't be taken away, but their access to ammunition allowing them to easily kill whatever their gun is pointed at is strictly limited.  Seems like a good compromise to me?

In other words, maybe "gun control" is the wrong discussion, and "ammunition control" is the right one.
People make their own ammo cheaper than they can buy it.
But it's a more involved process than buying it, right?  Making "lethal bullets" would be more conspicuous than, say going to the store and picking it up, right?

For what reason would a current gun owner object to prohibiting the sale of lethal bullets, aside from guys who hunt for sport?

People that defend the 2nd ammendment fot the sake of defending it will be against it.  Also, any restrictions will be met with "slippery slope" arguments that are what Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) people use when wanting to be against something, but having no reason to actually be against it
That is not what I am saying at all. Do I think there should be restrictions going forward? Hell yes I do. I am in full support of a waiting period of some sort. You can with a clean record go in and buy a gun in under 30 min with the online FBI background checking now. This might limit some of this from happening in the spur of the moment crimes. Does the average citizen need an AR-15? Probably not, but they have them and you can not go take them away now. This would only impower the "see they are coming for my gun guys" even more than limitations. Could you limit their production going forward? Yes, This would drive the pricing up hopefully taking them out of the hands of people that would use them irresponsibly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:17:17 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
What the hell is your point here?  What do you think the purposes of laws are?

Vague and unsuccessful attempts at controlling people.   Do laws actually stop people from being crap human beings?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?

It is much easier to get rid of every gun/bullet/bomb than it is to ensure that every single parent in America does a good job and is a social role model.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on December 14, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?

+1


It sucks being a sane responsible gun owner and having one of my hobbies being threatened because of a few peoples horrible actions.

A person on facebook posted this:

If roads were collapsing all across the United States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely see that as a moment to talk about what we could do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists were detonating bombs in port after port, you can be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the nation’s security measures. If a plague was ripping through communities, public-health officials would be working feverishly to contain it.

They brought up an interesting point here. Because gun violence happens in a spectacular fashion it appears to be so much worse than 5-10 people dieing a day in car wrecks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 04:19:31 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
What the hell is your point here?  What do you think the purposes of laws are?

Vague and unsuccessful attempts at controlling people.   Do laws actually stop people from being crap human beings?
Finally, you come out and say it.  I thought that's what you might be getting at. 

That's an absolutely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument by the way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 04:22:48 PM
the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

I've got a feeling that Javon Belcher, in the heat of the argument on that fateful Friday night a few weeks ago, wasn't going to take the time to make a mold and melt lead. I've also got a feeling that if he had to go on Uhaul's website and take a few days to rent one, and locate a shitload of fertilizer, he may have thought twice in the days and days it would've taken him. Instead, he got pissed off, grabbed a gun, and killed his girlfriend and himself without having time to think it over.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:24:38 PM
Would rubber bullets be a good compromise?  I really don't know a whole lot about guns or gun control, but it seems to me that there are a finite number of bullets in this country, and a bullet may be shot only once, then it's all used up. 

It seems that rubber bullets, though still dangerous, would be significantly less lethal than whatever ammunition is used now.  Gun people could still target practice and skeet shoot and defend themselves and what not.  Seems like rubber bullets could significantly limit a gun owner's ability to take life, while affording him all of the other advantages of owning a gun.  Exceptions could be given to police, military, etc.

Again, this might be totally stupid because I've never really cared to know much about guns.

yeah... I wouldn't make that argument. 


And this is the problem at hand; not bashing you, but the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

Can someone who doesn't think that a gun ban wouldn't significantly curb murder rates in this country please tell me how they rationalize decreases in murder rate in other 1st world, western countries that have instituted gun bans?  Do it without the "bad people would still kill" strawman.  I don't think anyone who favors a gun ban thinks that murder would suddenly disappear.

Because laws don't happen without people wanting them to happen.  (People are not oppressed by laws - they allow laws to happen and are sometimes manipulated with fear into allowing laws to be passed)  When gun bans are enacted, it's a reflection of societies desire to have less violence - at which point, the transition has already began to occur in every part of their society.  They could have made that transition with or without the gun ban.  It's happened in other countries I'm sure.  Violence will end when people stop wanting to do harm to each other.  Right now, we live in a culture where kids are bullied their entire life, so they become a cop or join the army so they can exert some authority on others.  Do these same countries also have ridiculous amounts of military spending and military presence in foreign nations?  Do they have gang violence in areas of high poverty and single parent families? We live in a violent culture and taking away guns will not end our violent culture - we need to fix the things that are making people have violent tendencies.  A gun placed in the hands of a sane man will not render him insane.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:25:28 PM
the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

I've got a feeling that Javon Belcher, in the heat of the argument on that fateful Friday night a few weeks ago, wasn't going to take the time to make a mold and melt lead. I got a feeling if he had to go on Uhaul's website and take a few days to rent one, and locate a shitload of fertilizer, may have thought twice in the days and days it would've taken him.

Right... because a 250LB professional athlete couldn't think of any other way to murder his wife.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 04:26:28 PM
You're clearly missing the point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AppleJack on December 14, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
I'm still sad :(
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:30:08 PM

How does that make sense in your world? "Oh look, some rich dude, better beat him up and hope he's carrying his sporting rifle on him, otherwise this would be stupid."
I'm not even going to address this with a response.

As to your second point - wouldn't that be an argument for restricting guns? If rates of violence are similar, but those countries have fewer fatalities, seems to be a favorable argument for limiting access to firearms.

You don't get it.  I'm saying remove guns from both equations.  Don't count gun deaths in a country that doesn't allow guns and compare it to a country that does allow guns.  That's like saying a person that never drives a car is less likely to die in a car wreck. 

If you can compare knife related violence in those countries to knife related violence in our country and see we're more violent with knife's - you can infer that we're more violent.  You can then ask how this other country reduced their violence - surely you can see that removing guns has no logical effect on knife violence.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 04:31:25 PM
the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

I've got a feeling that Javon Belcher, in the heat of the argument on that fateful Friday night a few weeks ago, wasn't going to take the time to make a mold and melt lead. I got a feeling if he had to go on Uhaul's website and take a few days to rent one, and locate a shitload of fertilizer, may have thought twice in the days and days it would've taken him.

Right... because a 250LB professional athlete couldn't think of any other way to murder his wife.

Pulling a trigger is like turning out a light. I may be speaking out of my ass here, but I think most people don't have the heart to beat, stab, or maul someone to death.  I believe that many of those same people could pull a trigger on impulse, and it only takes one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
You're clearly missing the point.

I may be missing the point you're trying to make, but you're clearly missing my point.  Javon Belcher was a wife batterer - that was the issue.  He was going to kill his wife in a moment of rage one way or the other.  Removing his gun would not prevent him from being a wife batterer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 14, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
The whole situation of this is just really f'd up. Kid goes into his mom's classroom and goes on a rampage. It's hard to comprehend everything that happened
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:34:07 PM
the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

I've got a feeling that Javon Belcher, in the heat of the argument on that fateful Friday night a few weeks ago, wasn't going to take the time to make a mold and melt lead. I got a feeling if he had to go on Uhaul's website and take a few days to rent one, and locate a shitload of fertilizer, may have thought twice in the days and days it would've taken him.

Right... because a 250LB professional athlete couldn't think of any other way to murder his wife.

Pulling a trigger is like turning out a light. I may be speaking out of my ass here, but I think most people don't have the heart to beat, stab, or maul someone to death.  I believe that many of those same people could pull a trigger on impulse, and it only takes one.

I may be talking from my ass - but I see the act of reaching for a gun, taking aim, & pulling a trigger much less impulsive than punching someone in the face.  A 250LB professional athlete could kill someone with a single punch - It would be no less impulsive to reach for a knife and take a swing at someones head with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
You're clearly missing the point.

I may be missing the point you're trying to make, but you're clearly missing my point.  Javon Belcher was a wife batterer - that was the issue.  He was going to kill his wife in a moment of rage one way or the other.  Removing his gun would not prevent him from being a wife batterer.

I disagree with this strongly
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2012, 04:36:28 PM
Belcher clearly regretted pulling the trigger. Why else would he shoot himself? I agree with EMAWmeister here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:36:35 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?

It is much easier to get rid of every gun/bullet/bomb than it is to ensure that every single parent in America does a good job and is a social role model.

Except one would have a greater impact on all lethal violence, and many other issues plaguing our society - and the other would not stop violence at all.   What happened today was not an impulsive act - it was a premeditated occurrence - This, for all intents and purposes, could have been a U-haul filled with fertilizer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 04:38:53 PM
No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.

So now we're into the accountability realm of the argument.  We're going to go to these great lengths to stop violence so that when we see a crazy man shoot a bunch of kids up with "lethal bullets" we'll be able to prosecute him for not only killing kids but for owning lethal bullets.

Also, we could potentially prosecute him before the shooting of the kids happens.

Could we really?  That's ridiculous.  We're all probably breaking some stupid law right now.  People buy illegal drugs & use them without anyone ever knowing.  People drive drunk without anyone ever knowing.  People abuse children/wifes/animals without anyone ever knowing.  We're grasping at straws by having this conversation.

And other people do those things and are arrested. Do you mean to be saying that we shouldn't outlaw domestic abuse or drunk driving, because thats exactly what you are doing.  So if a law doesn't catch 100% of perpetrators, we should just say forget it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:39:15 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
What the hell is your point here?  What do you think the purposes of laws are?

Vague and unsuccessful attempts at controlling people.   Do laws actually stop people from being crap human beings?
Finally, you come out and say it.  I thought that's what you might be getting at. 

That's an absolutely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument by the way.

Was there any question that was what I was getting at?  Sorry for being so vague.  You know, you might have a better argument though, if you actually defended your statement with some logical response.  Resorting to: "That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)... You're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)..." makes me think you're have to ability to think critically.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 04:41:38 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
What the hell is your point here?  What do you think the purposes of laws are?

Vague and unsuccessful attempts at controlling people.   Do laws actually stop people from being crap human beings?
Finally, you come out and say it.  I thought that's what you might be getting at. 

That's an absolutely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument by the way.

Was there any question that was what I was getting at?  Sorry for being so vague.  You know, you might have a better argument though, if you actually defended your statement with some logical response.  Resorting to: "That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)... You're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)..." makes me think you're have to ability to think critically.
I was short with you because no rational person thinks that the existence of laws are without success.

There are tons of theories for laws that exist.  But for the present purposes, here's all the response that is necessary:  child molestation is illegal.  because of that, there are child molesters in jail who cannot molest children today because they're in jail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
I'm confused about what the frequency and odds of being killed by gun violence has to do with whether or not something should be done about it.

it speaks to the relative danger these hypothetical gun control laws would be trying to prevent.  most laws regarding public safety are tradeoffs between personal liberty and public safety.  accordingly, it is impossible to rationally consider the benefit or harm of such laws without understanding both the rates of violence that might be prevented, and the magnitude of the liberties to be restricted.


the amount of innocent killed in relation to a perpetrator killed by someone defending him/herself is so out of wack I don't know how people can continue to use this as a rationalization for the widespread legalization of firearms.


i could care less about self-defense.  i care about personal liberties.  owning a gun wouldn't even make my top 20 of personal liberties threatened or restricted by governments, but that doesn't mean i think it should be given away.  i'm also against the cowardice that permeates our culture.  life is risky, it is impossible to remove all risk from our lives, and the insane pursuit of safety already causes us to be incredibly less productive, happy and wealthy than we could be.  gun control again, wouldn't even be on the top 20 (prolly top 100) of a list of our hyperresponsiveness to the perception of random danger, but it's a symptom of the same disease.


To your second point, that was valid half a century ago.  Now whether you are talking about the local police or a national army the weaponry that these people have are far more advanced and deadly than any weaponry a citizen protecting himself from the oppressor can have.  Should we let people have tanks and bombers too?  How will the Syrians use their guns when they have sarin bombs dropped on their heads?  Should they get sarin too?

i think small arms are still more relevant in warfare, and certainly in civil insurrection, than you suggest, but if you are correct, that is perhaps sad, but not a reason to restrict gun ownership.  yes, people should be able to have tanks and bombers.  dunno about sarin.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:45:15 PM
No, but if you see someone with heroin you know it is illegal/dangerous and their is a reason to lock them up.

So now we're into the accountability realm of the argument.  We're going to go to these great lengths to stop violence so that when we see a crazy man shoot a bunch of kids up with "lethal bullets" we'll be able to prosecute him for not only killing kids but for owning lethal bullets.

Also, we could potentially prosecute him before the shooting of the kids happens.

Could we really?  That's ridiculous.  We're all probably breaking some stupid law right now.  People buy illegal drugs & use them without anyone ever knowing.  People drive drunk without anyone ever knowing.  People abuse children/wifes/animals without anyone ever knowing.  We're grasping at straws by having this conversation.

And other people do those things and are arrested. Do you mean to be saying that we shouldn't allow domestic abuse or drunk driving, because thats exactly what you are doing.  So if a law doesn't catch 100% of perpetrators, we should just say forget it?

No, but you do help me clarify my point.  I'm saying that we can't 100% enforce laws that should be enforced.  The tremendous difference between driving drunk/domestic abuse and owning a controlled substance is with one there is intent to do harm to others - suggesting that owning a controlled substance or object (such as a bullet) is intent to do harm to others is ridiculous.  Not only would it be be unsuccessful - it would be a complete waste of time that clogs up the legal system.  Cops running down illegal bullets when they could focus their attention on people actually being hurt.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 04:45:41 PM
the people that are legislating laws to control violence have no idea how real life works.  They don't realize you can make a mold, melt lead (or any other type of metal) to make bullets, reload old casings, mix your own gun chowder, build your own gun (hell even 3d print your own gun now) build bombs with fertilizer, sell all this illegal crap on the deep web to lazy/stupid/ignorant people wanting to create chaos, etc etc etc.   Rubber bullets would do a damn good job at stopping me from shooting anyone.  Not because I'm lazy/stupid/ignorant - but because I'm not willing to break the law to go to the lengths to get real bullets.  Anyone that thinks laziness/ignorance is enough to stop people from doing crazy/stupid crap should spend a couple days on youtube.

I've got a feeling that Javon Belcher, in the heat of the argument on that fateful Friday night a few weeks ago, wasn't going to take the time to make a mold and melt lead. I got a feeling if he had to go on Uhaul's website and take a few days to rent one, and locate a shitload of fertilizer, may have thought twice in the days and days it would've taken him.

Right... because a 250LB professional athlete couldn't think of any other way to murder his wife.

Pulling a trigger is like turning out a light. I may be speaking out of my ass here, but I think most people don't have the heart to beat, stab, or maul someone to death.  I believe that many of those same people could pull a trigger on impulse, and it only takes one.

I may be talking from my ass - but I see the act of reaching for a gun, taking aim, & pulling a trigger much less impulsive than punching someone in the face.  A 250LB professional athlete could kill someone with a single punch - It would be no less impulsive to reach for a knife and take a swing at someones head with it.

The American public is not chalk full of 250 lb professional athletes. Belcher had serious issues, that's a poor example. Most people could not kill anyone on earth with a single punch.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?
What the hell is your point here?  What do you think the purposes of laws are?

Vague and unsuccessful attempts at controlling people.   Do laws actually stop people from being crap human beings?
Finally, you come out and say it.  I thought that's what you might be getting at. 

That's an absolutely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument by the way.

Was there any question that was what I was getting at?  Sorry for being so vague.  You know, you might have a better argument though, if you actually defended your statement with some logical response.  Resorting to: "That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)... You're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)..." makes me think you're have to ability to think critically.
I was short with you because no rational person thinks that the existence of laws are without success.

There are tons of theories for laws that exist.  But for the present purposes, here's all the response that is necessary:  child molestation is illegal.  because of that, there are child molesters in jail who cannot molest children today because they're in jail.

You're comparing child molestation to owning a gun.  Inferring my suggesting of a meaningless law to control ownership of a firearm or ammunition is equal to me suggesting that no law should exist to prevent people from molesting a child is insulting, arrogant, and one of the most disgusting forms of social engineering I can think of.  You are either a disgusting person or guilty of making decisions based off of emotion rather than logical thought.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on December 14, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
And also, it is extremely difficult for legal citizens in Mexico to own firearms.  It looks like it is doing wonders for violence down there.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:49:06 PM
I'm done.  Good night.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 04:49:24 PM
But almost anyone with a short fuse during arguments and access to a gun could.


(EMAWmeister and SB with a 1-2 clown shoe-ing of HeinBallz right now.)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
No, but you do help me clarify my point.  I'm saying that we can't 100% enforce laws that should be enforced.  The tremendous difference between driving drunk/domestic abuse and owning a controlled substance is with one there is intent to do harm to others - suggesting that owning a controlled substance or object (such as a bullet) is intent to do harm to others is ridiculous.  Not only would it be be unsuccessful - it would be a complete waste of time that clogs up the legal system.  Cops running down illegal bullets when they could focus their attention on people actually being hurt.
Are you suggesting that driving under the influence necessarily involves a specific intent to harm others?

You're comparing child molestation to owning a gun.  Inferring my suggesting of a meaningless law to control ownership of a firearm or ammunition is equal to me suggesting that no law should exist to prevent people from molesting a child is insulting, arrogant, and one of the most disgusting forms of social engineering I can think of.  You are either a disgusting person or guilty of making decisions based off of emotion rather than logical thought.
Forgive me for misunderstanding your argument then.  I asked you what you believed the purposes of laws were and you dismissed them as "vague and unsuccessful."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2012, 04:50:36 PM
nothing stirs up the gun nuts quite like a mass shooting.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 04:51:58 PM
The American public is not chalk full of 250 lb professional athletes. Belcher had serious issues, that's a poor example. Most people could not kill anyone on earth with a single punch.

I may be talking from my ass - but I see the act of reaching for a gun, taking aim, & pulling a trigger much less impulsive than punching someone in the face.  A 250LB professional athlete could kill someone with a single punch - It would be no less impulsive to reach for a knife and take a swing at someones head with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Johnny Wichita on December 14, 2012, 04:54:54 PM
I love Dlew. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 04:56:25 PM
But almost anyone with a short fuse during arguments and access to a gun could.


(EMAWmeister and SB with a 1-2 clown shoe-ing of HeinBallz right now.)


Then again, I guess Javon Belcher (who clearly regretted his impulse) and others like him would still get the job done if they didn't have quick and easy access to guns. All they would need to do to satisfy their rage to murder their girlfriends would be:
 
1) get out their laptops and connect to the internet
2) pull up Uhaul.com
3) wait for it to load
4) figure out what type of truck they would need
5) book that truck, most likely a few days later
6) drive down to their nearest U-Haul pick-up station
7) fill out the paperwork
8) drive it home
9) get back online and somehow locate a guy with a ton of fertilizer for sale around downtown Kansas City
10) negotiate a deal with that guy
11) learn how to build a bomb
12) leave the big city and drive out to the guy's farm in the U-Haul
13) load up all the fertilizer
14) drive back to his girlfriend's place
15) detonate said bomb to kill girlfriend over the argument that made him mad four days earlier
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: shivvyman on December 14, 2012, 04:59:33 PM
Regardless of the gun control debate or social/parental upbringing, I would just like to say this guy is a rough ridin' coward.

Have some nuts. If you want to go play billy badass, go pick on somebody your on size. Seriously, what does slaughtering kid's in a classroom prove? I don't think this guy was mentally ill and who knows what statement he was trying to make. Was he just pissed at the world? Coward. Right up there with suicide bombers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 05:00:22 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Johnny Wichita on December 14, 2012, 05:01:49 PM
Regardless of the gun control debate or social/parental upbringing, I would just like to say this guy is a rough ridin' coward.

Have some nuts. If you want to go play billy badass, go pick on somebody your on size. Seriously, what does slaughtering kid's in a classroom prove? I don't think this guy was mentally ill and who knows what statement he was trying to make. Was he just pissed at the world? Coward. Right up there with suicide bombers.

The gunman, identified as Adam Lanza, 20, was also found dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, law enforcement officials said. Officials initially told NBC News the gunman was Lanza's brother, Ryan, who is cooperating with investigators and said Adam has a history of mental illness, according to a senior official.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
I'm confused about what the frequency and odds of being killed by gun violence has to do with whether or not something should be done about it.

it speaks to the relative danger these hypothetical gun control laws would be trying to prevent.  most laws regarding public safety are tradeoffs between personal liberty and public safety.  accordingly, it is impossible to rationally consider the benefit or harm of such laws without understanding both the rates of violence that might be prevented, and the magnitude of the liberties to be restricted.


the amount of innocent killed in relation to a perpetrator killed by someone defending him/herself is so out of wack I don't know how people can continue to use this as a rationalization for the widespread legalization of firearms.


i could care less about self-defense.  i care about personal liberties.  owning a gun wouldn't even make my top 20 of personal liberties threatened or restricted by governments, but that doesn't mean i think it should be given away.  i'm also against the cowardice that permeates our culture.  life is risky, it is impossible to remove all risk from our lives, and the insane pursuit of safety already causes us to be incredibly less productive, happy and wealthy than we could be.  gun control again, wouldn't even be on the top 20 (prolly top 100) of a list of our hyperresponsiveness to the perception of random danger, but it's a symptom of the same disease.


To your second point, that was valid half a century ago.  Now whether you are talking about the local police or a national army the weaponry that these people have are far more advanced and deadly than any weaponry a citizen protecting himself from the oppressor can have.  Should we let people have tanks and bombers too?  How will the Syrians use their guns when they have sarin bombs dropped on their heads?  Should they get sarin too?

i think small arms are still more relevant in warfare, and certainly in civil insurrection, than you suggest, but if you are correct, that is perhaps sad, but not a reason to restrict gun ownership.  yes, people should be able to have tanks and bombers.  dunno about sarin.

It's pretty easy to see the benefits of restricting guns because its been done in 1st world western countries with relatively large populations.

Cut the civil liberties bull crap.  No one is advocating banning all guns, I've said multiple times that sporting weapons are fine.  The right is a right to bear arms, there are already restrictions on what arms you can bear.  I can't buy a stealth bomber, I can't buy a tank, I can't buy a humvee with machine guns on it.  The right needs further restrictions.  All of our rights have restrictions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?

+1


It sucks being a sane responsible gun owner and having one of my hobbies being threatened because of a few peoples horrible actions.

A person on facebook posted this:

If roads were collapsing all across the United States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely see that as a moment to talk about what we could do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists were detonating bombs in port after port, you can be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the nation’s security measures. If a plague was ripping through communities, public-health officials would be working feverishly to contain it.

They brought up an interesting point here. Because gun violence happens in a spectacular fashion it appears to be so much worse than 5-10 people dieing a day in car wrecks.


Unruly having a hobby is not collateral enough for me to be ok with mass shootings that are becoming more constant.

And also, it is extremely difficult for legal citizens in Mexico to own firearms.  It looks like it is doing wonders for violence down there.  :rolleyes:
Completely irrelevant. Thining that is the only difference between Mexico and the US that contributes to gun violence is a ridiculous simplification.  Poverty, lack of law enforcement and corruption is what makes Mexico unsafe.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 05:09:41 PM
It's pretty easy to see the benefits of restricting guns because its been done in 1st world western countries with relatively large populations.

i'm not well versed on the subject, but it is my understanding that criminologists, or whoever it is that studies these things, urge caution with re. to how transferable rates of gun violence would be across different countries/cultures with identical laws (but i'm perfectly happy to agree that there would be some reduction in gun violence).


Cut the civil liberties bull crap.  No one is advocating banning all guns, I've said multiple times that sporting weapons are fine.  The right is a right to bear arms, there are already restrictions on what arms you can bear.  I can't buy a stealth bomber, I can't buy a tank, I can't buy a humvee with machine guns on it.  The right needs further restrictions.  All of our rights have restrictions.

personal liberties, not civil liberties.  you call it bullshit, i do not.  i do buy slippery slope arguments, btw.  i see evidence for that as a pattern of behavior all around me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 14, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
  I've been on the road all day and getting texts from from a truly distraught Mrs. Bf.  That guy was not human.  He couldn't be.  :frown:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 05:13:13 PM
The American public is not chalk full of 250 lb professional athletes. Belcher had serious issues, that's a poor example. Most people could not kill anyone on earth with a single punch.

I may be talking from my ass - but I see the act of reaching for a gun, taking aim, & pulling a trigger much less impulsive than punching someone in the face.  A 250LB professional athlete could kill someone with a single punch - It would be no less impulsive to reach for a knife and take a swing at someones head with it.

I understand that. But, in the moment, squeezing a trigger and slashing at someone's jugular with a blade are still different. It may be small, but there is absolutely a difference. Shooting someone is a relatively quick, painless action with dire consequences. Slashing someone is gruesome and horrific.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
Either way, how many people were killed in today's China slashing? Answer: not nearly as many as were killed in Connecticut.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 05:14:56 PM
@Gawker: On Fox News, Mike Huckabee says the shooting happened because "we've removed God from our schools."

http://gawker.com/5968633?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

http://gawker.com/5968609/fox-news-blames-shooting-on-online-activities-gaming
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on December 14, 2012, 05:16:11 PM

I'm not even going to address this with a response.

Because I pointed out how absurd your rush to crime in your hyopthetical scenario was? Seriously, unless rich people go around with there sporting rifles, how are they going to get beat up for them? These aren't handguns we are talking about.

As to your second point - wouldn't that be an argument for restricting guns? If rates of violence are similar, but those countries have fewer fatalities, seems to be a favorable argument for limiting access to firearms.

Quote
You don't get it.  I'm saying remove guns from both equations.  Don't count gun deaths in a country that doesn't allow guns and compare it to a country that does allow guns.  That's like saying a person that never drives a car is less likely to die in a car wreck. 

If you can compare knife related violence in those countries to knife related violence in our country and see we're more violent with knife's - you can infer that we're more violent.  You can then ask how this other country reduced their violence - surely you can see that removing guns has no logical effect on knife violence.

Yeah no, you can't dodge this. Your ilk are the ones that like to point out outlawing guns wouldn't remove all of them, so it's stupid to try. When I point out numerous European countries have very strict gun laws, and much greater access to healthcare services and stronger social safety nets have far, far fewer gun deaths, you can't wave your hands and pretend they can't be compared to the U.S.

For instance, Canada actually has twice the assault rate as the U.S.:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

but the homicide rate in the U.S. is nearly 3 times greater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 05:21:34 PM
Oddly enough, a few minutes after I heard about the Connecticut shootings I thought to myself, "Welp...gonna be interesting watching HeinBallz try to twist THIS one around..."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story)

Notice the body count.

What the eff is your point man?  Should we compare the number of people killed with knives in China to those killed with guns in America?  We have 700,000,000 less people in America than they do in China. I'm willing to bet you anything that we have more gun deaths than they have knife deaths.  Name the terms and take the bet.

Second spree killing this week, the only thing that prevented more deaths in Portland was a jammed gun.  Were there multiple spree stabbings in China this year?

JFC you are on a rampage. My point was this dude went on a killing spree and since he only had a knife and not a gun NOONE GOT KILLED.

Sorry, I should have stated my point I guess.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 14, 2012, 05:41:22 PM
Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story)

Notice the body count.

What the eff is your point man?  Should we compare the number of people killed with knives in China to those killed with guns in America?  We have 700,000,000 less people in America than they do in China. I'm willing to bet you anything that we have more gun deaths than they have knife deaths.  Name the terms and take the bet.

Second spree killing this week, the only thing that prevented more deaths in Portland was a jammed gun.  Were there multiple spree stabbings in China this year?

JFC you are on a rampage. My point was this dude went on a killing spree and since he only had a knife and not a gun NOONE GOT KILLED.

Sorry, I should have stated my point I guess.

I think most everyone knew what your point was. MIR was just blinded by his hateful rampage, I guess.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 05:45:13 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BMWWcat on December 14, 2012, 05:46:29 PM
"I can't buy a stealth bomber, I can't buy a tank, I can't buy a humvee with machine guns on it."

MIR, have to admit it would be effin' cool to be able to buy one of these though.

Eh, I'll take the tank to go pick up some milk...no biggie.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 14, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
Some facts, posted without opinion:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: shivvyman on December 14, 2012, 06:17:02 PM
Regardless of the gun control debate or social/parental upbringing, I would just like to say this guy is a rough ridin' coward.

Have some nuts. If you want to go play billy badass, go pick on somebody your on size. Seriously, what does slaughtering kid's in a classroom prove? I don't think this guy was mentally ill and who knows what statement he was trying to make. Was he just pissed at the world? Coward. Right up there with suicide bombers.

The gunman, identified as Adam Lanza, 20, was also found dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, law enforcement officials said. Officials initially told NBC News the gunman was Lanza's brother, Ryan, who is cooperating with investigators and said Adam has a history of mental illness, according to a senior official.

His brother will say whatever helps him clear his conscious. If he was this wacko, he should have been institutionalized.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rams on December 14, 2012, 06:34:07 PM
hey guys, this is a really great debate that we need to continue, but you know what we could be doing in the meantime? requiring that every motherfucking school install a motherfucking secured entryway in the next 90 days. can someone give me 1 good reason why we shouldn't do that now?  like right now? tomorrow?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
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Breaking News ?@BreakingNews
Report: Official says Connecticut school shootings suspect killed his mother at their home, then drove to school - @AP http://bit.ly/U0G5zl

Ugh. I thought he at least had a reason to be at the school and then just opened fire.  If he drove to the school just to kill children, just, holy crap.  :barf:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 14, 2012, 06:59:25 PM
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"


I was listening to ESPN radio this afternoon and the hosts were talking about it.  They mentioned how we live in an insulated world where we hear about these things and then go on about our day. Then they started talking about how there are 7000 employees at ESPN and one of the guys said that there was no doubt that he knows someone directly effected by the shooting as it happened 30 minutes away from the studios in Bristol. 

This is probably the saddest tragedy based on senseless violence in my life.  I mean, why an elementary school? It sickens my stomach just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 14, 2012, 07:01:54 PM
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"

They are probably more likely to get struck by lightning than actually end up in a situation like this. It definitely could happen, though. Pretty scary stuff.
Not kids in a school related but this is why I have a CCL. I'm not going to allow it to happen to me.

I think that stricter punishments and laws should be passed for anyone convicted of violent crime, assault, etc.  I have no problems making it easier for responsible, law-abiding citizens to do as Gooch has. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 07:04:25 PM
hey guys, this is a really great debate that we need to continue, but you know what we could be doing in the meantime? requiring that every motherfucking school install a motherfucking secured entryway in the next 90 days. can someone give me 1 good reason why we shouldn't do that now?  like right now? tomorrow?

If you're goal is to stop gun violence in schools - then absolutely.  Guns don't belong in certain places - schools are one of those places.  I can see no argument against this and it's certainly much more rational and logical than rubber bullets, banning guns, or trying to legislate new laws that would prevent someone from breaking existing laws.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on December 14, 2012, 07:05:37 PM
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?

+1


It sucks being a sane responsible gun owner and having one of my hobbies being threatened because of a few peoples horrible actions.

A person on facebook posted this:

If roads were collapsing all across the United States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely see that as a moment to talk about what we could do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists were detonating bombs in port after port, you can be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the nation’s security measures. If a plague was ripping through communities, public-health officials would be working feverishly to contain it.

They brought up an interesting point here. Because gun violence happens in a spectacular fashion it appears to be so much worse than 5-10 people dieing a day in car wrecks.


Unruly having a hobby is not collateral enough for me to be ok with mass shootings that are becoming more constant.

And also, it is extremely difficult for legal citizens in Mexico to own firearms.  It looks like it is doing wonders for violence down there.  :rolleyes:
Completely irrelevant. Thining that is the only difference between Mexico and the US that contributes to gun violence is a ridiculous simplification.  Poverty, lack of law enforcement and corruption is what makes Mexico unsafe.


Do you drink alcohol, or drive a car? Because more people die from that every year than guns.

Look at a country like Switzerland which has extremely loose gun control laws, and nearly 75ish% of people conceal carry there.  They have a really low gun crime rate.

Something absolutely terrible happened today. I am in no way trying to discount that, but pointing that the GUN is the problem is the same thing as saying McDonalds makes you fat.

An evil person committed an evil act. I think that there needs to be much, much stricter rules in purchasing a gun.

I live in Mississippi and I tried to purchase a gun with my KS drivers license and they wouldn't let me. The next day I got a MS DL and went back to the shop. Put my money down and in 10 mins walked out with the gun.

I don't know what the solution is this problem, but taking guns away from everyone is really not the answer.

As for the Mexico it is a little simplified but the point was made, but after working with several people that moved to the US from Mexico they wished they were able to purchase a firearm to defend their house with because as it stands they had nothing.




Also an interesting watch from 2009...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PezlFNTGWv4
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
hey guys, this is a really great debate that we need to continue, but you know what we could be doing in the meantime? requiring that every motherfucking school install a motherfucking secured entryway in the next 90 days. can someone give me 1 good reason why we shouldn't do that now?  like right now? tomorrow?

If you're goal is to stop gun violence in schools - then absolutely.  Guns don't belong in certain places - schools are one of those places.  I can see no argument against this and it's certainly much more rational and logical than rubber bullets, banning guns, or trying to legislate new laws that would prevent someone from breaking existing laws.

There are already laws in place in almost (if not all) CCL states that guns in schools are strictly prohibited.  I don't think the law is going to stop a psycho piece of crap who has the sole intent of mass murder.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 14, 2012, 07:22:58 PM
Why are there two threads on this with the exact same title on two different threads? Maybe it's been asked before. Haven't gone through the other one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 14, 2012, 07:26:16 PM
I'm not trying to be insensitive so early after this tragedy, but thought this was interesting.

http://www.voanews.com/content/man-stabs-22-children-at-chinese-elementary-school/1564820.html

It is about a scumbag in China that did the same thing today with knives. 



Today makes me weep for all victims of violence, whether domestic, military, or of any other kind.  People are brutally killed and abused every day and their cases go virtually unnoticed.  It hurts my heart.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross on December 14, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 07:34:30 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

Well, yea, but 4 loko was dangerous
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 14, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

Well, yea, but 4 loko was dangerous

These 2 posts back to back, man.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 07:39:38 PM

Because I pointed out how absurd your rush to crime in your hyopthetical scenario was? Seriously, unless rich people go around with there sporting rifles, how are they going to get beat up for them? These aren't handguns we are talking about.

No, because we're talking about what happened today.  This guy didn't get pissed, find a gun laying around & spontaneously murder 30 people.  He planned this out - he would have found the tools necessary to carry out his deeds.  If robbing some rich dude was what was needed, or buying it off of the black market, or building it himself - he likely would have done it weeks or years in advance.  Granted, we're talking hypothetical - but I felt no need to respond to some asinine twisting of my words suggesting that a crime of passion would necessitate logging onto the internet, exchanging goods/services for bitcoins, purchasing illegal firearms and committing this crime of passion several weeks later.  You and anyone else parroting these sentiments are making yourself look foolish and do not warrant a response.


Yeah no, you can't dodge this. Your ilk are the ones that like to point out outlawing guns wouldn't remove all of them, so it's stupid to try. When I point out numerous European countries have very strict gun laws, and much greater access to healthcare services and stronger social safety nets have far, far fewer gun deaths, you can't wave your hands and pretend they can't be compared to the U.S.

For instance, Canada actually has twice the assault rate as the U.S.:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

but the homicide rate in the U.S. is nearly 3 times greater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Actually I can avoid addressing this - your own response replied with "countries with greater access to healthcare services and stronger social safety nets have far, far fewer gun deaths."  So surely you can see the argument I'm making; especially when there is an example of a country that experiences similar lower crime & violence rates, yet still have greater gun freedoms than we do.  Maybe a social study should be inclusive to this data and compare it to all countries with lower crime rates.  Perhaps if Canada had stronger healthcare & social safety structures, they would see a decrease in violence across the board.


Look, we all want the same thing - less violence and less senseless killing.   I don't see how anyone can object to more freedom,  more understanding, more love - all within an effort to create less violence.   I'm not sure how I've been labeled the gun nut - all I've ever genuinely preached here is looking at the problem as a whole and not jumping to irrational conclusions based off of fear.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

Well, yea, but 4 loko was dangerous

These 2 posts back to back, man.

Yes, well done to both of you.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 07:48:28 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

what exactly has changed in the last year that has caused this all time high in gun violence?  Did guns and ammo become free overnight?  Is it easier to get a gun now than it was 10 years ago?  Maybe it's the economy? :dunno:

I do find it funny though, that the last time the US had an assault weapons ban, some maniac filled a UHaul with fertilizer and killed 168 people, including 19 infants.    Why did he do it?  He said it was because he felt like he was lied to when he signed up for the Army.  He was told he was being a patriot by going over to the middle east and killing brown people that threatened democracy in the US.  He was promised respect - and he was lied to.

If only he had a gun, he may have killed less people.   See how irrational and illogical this talking point is?
Title: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 14, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
Until you are ready to lower the speed limit to 10mph. and eliminate all of the automobile related fatalities in this country overnight, you need to realize you have bigger fish to fry than gun control. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 07:56:48 PM
define an assault weapon please.  People object to assault weapons bans, because the people talking about them know nothing about guns. 
Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 07:57:05 PM
 :flush:
Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
yeah... that doesn't help.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 14, 2012, 08:01:46 PM
cat27, read the other 2 threads about the school shooting. It will explain why no one is going to listen to you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 14, 2012, 08:23:43 PM
Why are there two threads on this with the exact same title on two different threads? Maybe it's been asked before. Haven't gone through the other one.

steve dave split the thread when discussion of gun control began. however, i believe both threads now have talk of gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on December 14, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
define an assault weapon please.  People object to assault weapons bans, because the people talking about them know nothing about guns.


My accord.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 14, 2012, 08:29:18 PM

Also an interesting watch from 2009...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PezlFNTGWv4

People want to know the story, so it will be told. 
Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 14, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
It comes down to what are we willing to do to save a life, and driving 10mph down the freeway and giving up our right to bear arms and protect ourselves are two things americans will not do, just a little perspective.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 08:41:48 PM
We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Why are there two threads on this with the exact same title on two different threads? Maybe it's been asked before. Haven't gone through the other one.

tried to keep the gun control stuff in one place and the tragedy stuff in another but it was impossible to police. apologies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.
Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 14, 2012, 09:06:13 PM
Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

One needlessly dead guy=another needlessly dead guy.  Our society has calculated how much of this it will tolerate happening in its daily business, I am comfortable with the current balance.  Terrible things happen, have always happened, and will always happen.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

One needlessly dead guy=another needlessly dead guy.  Our society has calculated how much of this it will tolerate happening in its daily business, I am comfortable with the current balance.  Terrible things happen, have always happened, and will always happen.

eff that.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
Gun owners should have to undergo invasive physical and psychological inspections before being able to purchase a gun. Each time they want to purchase one. And again 5 months into their gun buying gestation period. To make sure they know what they are doing.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 09:12:47 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 09:13:27 PM
Gun owners should have to undergo invasive physical and psychological inspections before being able to purchase a gun. Each time they want to purchase one. And again 5 months into their gun buying gestation period. To make sure they know what they are doing.

There should be a mandatory intensive training course. And they should have to memorize and recite an oath. And then swear by that oath.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 09:15:26 PM
America has a murder fetish. Every single day on TV millions of people watch at least 100 fictional characters get murdered.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 09:19:06 PM
Gun owners should have to undergo invasive physical and psychological inspections before being able to purchase a gun. Each time they want to purchase one. And again 5 months into their gun buying gestation period. To make sure they know what they are doing.

There should be a mandatory intensive training course. And they should have to memorize and recite an oath. And then swear by that oath.

It would have to be every member of the gun owners household.   Today's tragedy was carried out with guns legally purchased by his mother.
Title: Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:20:05 PM
Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

One needlessly dead guy=another needlessly dead guy.  Our society has calculated how much of this it will tolerate happening in its daily business, I am comfortable with the current balance.  Terrible things happen, have always happened, and will always happen.

some of us would like to do something about it. you don't need to, nobody will miss you.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
Biometric controls so the gun can only be fired by the Oath Taker.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:22:57 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:24:19 PM
Biometric controls so the gun can only be fired by the Oath Taker.

required anal probe linked to brain to make sure they understand the importance of their decision
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 09:24:43 PM
I will find and Sidewinder punch the next idiot who brings up abortion or drug laws in this thread.

The guns used were his mother's.  he didn't go buy them.  They were just laying around.  With ammo.  The easy ability to take life at will is just insane.  I don't have an answer but Jfc, this is just the worst.   

I cannot imagine sending your 5 year old to kindergarten and having them shot. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:28:24 PM
The guns used were his mother's.  he didn't go buy them.  They were just laying around.  With ammo.  The easy ability to take life at will is just insane.

There should be about 1% as many guns in this gun freak country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story)

Notice the body count.

What the eff is your point man?  Should we compare the number of people killed with knives in China to those killed with guns in America?  We have 700,000,000 less people in America than they do in China. I'm willing to bet you anything that we have more gun deaths than they have knife deaths.  Name the terms and take the bet.

Second spree killing this week, the only thing that prevented more deaths in Portland was a jammed gun.  Were there multiple spree stabbings in China this year?

JFC you are on a rampage. My point was this dude went on a killing spree and since he only had a knife and not a gun NOONE GOT KILLED.

Sorry, I should have stated my point I guess.

no, that was my fault, I am just incredibly angry and I was on my way out the door when I posted.  Knowing who you are I should have given you the benefit of the doubt AND read the article.

I'm very sorry puni
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 09:32:04 PM
I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.

Not as crazy as it sounds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 09:38:36 PM
The guns used were his mother's.  he didn't go buy them.  They were just laying around.  With ammo.  The easy ability to take life at will is just insane.

There should be about 1% as many guns in this gun freak country.

Can't unbreak an egg.  There are millions of guns laying all over.  But pretending that yelling about good parenting and morals is the same as doing nothing.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:39:26 PM
Need to start cleaning up that egg
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2012, 09:44:04 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

There's no rough ridin' way you believe that, no one can be that moronic.  Hein, storm, &  gato and their dumbass analogies aren't that stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Need to start cleaning up that egg

Really tough egg to clean up.  It's down in that carpet and it stinks.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 09:46:48 PM
Need to start cleaning up that egg

Really tough egg to clean up.  It's down in that carpet and it stinks.

We're either going to have to clean it up or move then, Can't live in filth.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 14, 2012, 09:52:56 PM
I blame over population.  Human life has less value.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on December 14, 2012, 09:55:28 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

This guy left his rifle in his car, what exactly would an assault rifle ban done to prevent this?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:05:06 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

Quote
NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

Quote
NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

Guess you are right. Need to look things up before I type. There should some kind of federal waiting period of at least 10 days. Again my bad Steve.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:12:48 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

You can't buy a gun from a dealer in that manner.  There is paperwork to fill out and a call to the government to make.  Many states have added further restrictions in recent years as well.

My personal view is that although I am not completely opposed to increased restrictions on gun purchases, I'm not convinced an incident like today's would be affected by it.  This was clearly a calculated, premeditated act by someone determined to kill a lot of people.  That type of person will find a way to get a gun, legally or not. 

That said, I honestly don't see a need for the proliferation of AR type weapons and I also don't have a problem with requiring the same checks that are used when purchasing guns from a dealer to be applied to personal transfers (other than the fact that it is impossible to enforce).  Myself, I hunt, and as a result I own several guns.  None of those are semi auto, none of them are assault style weapons.  They simply aren't best suited for the job.  A bolt action rifle is more reliable and more accurate every time.  I do have a Glock (semi auto) purely for self defense purposes.  If someone is going to try to enter my house when I'm there, I'm not planning on running to the gun safe, entering the combination, and then trying to gun them down at close quarters with a high power rifle with a 28" barrel.

If people feel the need to have AR style weapons and the like (which although you can use them for hunting aren't intended for that purpose), treat them the same way they treat machine guns and silencers.  You can own them, you just have to get a class 3 license.  I can't think of an incident of someone being gunned down with a M60.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2012, 10:13:54 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

Quote
NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

Guess you are right. Need to look things up before I type. There should some kind of federal waiting period of at least 10 days. Again my bad Steve.

what if i want to go shoot some clay frisbee's RIGHT NOW.

i'm not going to let MY rights go away!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:14:24 PM
i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.

Quote
every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance

don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 10:15:25 PM
Yea that is kind of pathetic, but at least they have to go to law enforcement.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 10:16:58 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

Quote
NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

Guess you are right. Need to look things up before I type. There should some kind of federal waiting period of at least 10 days. Again my bad Steve.

what if i want to go shoot some clay frisbee's RIGHT NOW.

i'm not going to let MY rights go away!

Should have thought ahead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 10:17:47 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

This guy left his rifle in his car, what exactly would an assault rifle ban done to prevent this?

How about a 30 round magazine pistol ban?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:21:50 PM
And also, it is extremely difficult for legal citizens in Mexico to own firearms.

lol, no it isn't.  maybe you meant for citizens to legally own firearms.  which also isn't true.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
...I really don't have a problem with a few day waiting period either.  Almost every time I've bought a gun they've had to order it, and it has taken at 3 or 4 days to get it, if it was even in stock.  A few day waiting period isn't going to make much difference.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:26:25 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 10:26:27 PM
We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.

Not that I disagree, but how does this happen? Particularly inner city. You can't legislate shitty parenting away.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 14, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.
guns have been around a long time, if gun murder rate is going up, something else must be causing it :dunno:
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:30:02 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

It's a little more complicated to grow a field of poppies and produce heroin than it is to melt lead and pour it into a mold.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 14, 2012, 10:30:22 PM
I appreciate all of you, and your desire to find ways to prevent future tragedies.  What a horrible day.  I still feel bad.  I can't even imagine. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

It's a little more complicated to grow a field of poppies and produce heroin than it is to melt lead and pour it into a mold.

well, make both illegal. I guess I don't get your point here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 10:32:03 PM
No, so the option is legislating methods of destroying lives away.  Right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:32:53 PM
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.
guns have been around a long time, if gun murder rate is going up, something else must be causing it :dunno:

It CAN'T be society.  Whatever you do don't suggest that the degradation of the family unit or the proliferation of violence in the entertainment available to our children might have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 14, 2012, 10:33:37 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

Stop making bullets and they just go black market and you also make a whole new class of criminal, filling jails with new criminals.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2012, 10:35:20 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

So just focus on the ammo production then?  I guess it could work to basically starve the supply of ammo that makes the weapons relevant.  Going to take decades to exhaust the supply I think.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 14, 2012, 10:35:48 PM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

So because tragedies happen all the time everywhere, we shouldn't try to do anything to prevent them?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:36:27 PM
don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

How many children died of malaria today in the world?  Don't dare suggest that we start producing DDT and shipping it to Africa though.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

When the home invaders come through your door, get back to me on that.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

So just focus on the ammo production then?  I guess it could work to basically starve the supply of ammo that makes the weapons relevant.  Going to take decades to exhaust the supply I think.

no, if it was up to me we take all of them away and immediately make it illegal to personally own a firearm. military and police only. or maybe just military other than special divisions of police. but that won't be until later when people have gotten their prosthetic dicks taken away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 14, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

anybody that wants to argue with Sys on this is gonna look really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
So because tragedies happen all the time everywhere, we shouldn't try to do anything to prevent them?

you can go back and read my response to mir regarding tradeoffs between liberties and safety.  i'm not going to type it out again.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

When the home invaders come through your door, get back to me on that.

1) T's & P's on being so afraid of the world
2) according to gun nuts, a knife will do just as well, keep that in your nightstand.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 14, 2012, 10:42:15 PM
No, so the option is legislating methods of destroying lives away.  Right?

Yes, obviously. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:44:41 PM
How many children died of malaria today in the world?  Don't dare suggest that we start producing DDT and shipping it to Africa though.

ddt is banned in the us, and severely restricted worldwide.  even though use of ddt can prevent some human deaths, it has other consequences which are considered to also have importance.  good example.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:44:53 PM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

When the home invaders come through your door, get back to me on that.

1) T's & P's on being so afraid of the world
2) according to gun nuts, a knife will do just as well, keep that in your nightstand.

1) T&P for your family whose lives you apparently don't value
2) thanks for making my point
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 14, 2012, 10:45:18 PM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

When the home invaders come through your door, get back to me on that.

Sorry you live in a place so shitty that you have to worry about stuff like that. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 10:45:28 PM
We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.

Not that I disagree, but how does this happen? Particularly inner city. You can't legislate shitty parenting away.
Be the change.  You can't legislate ANY of this away, and I would have thought today's events would make this more evident. There are laws in place that should have prevented this, but they didn't.  I don't see how more laws would help.  Maybe all of the things I posted above are exemplified by people's incessant need to legislate things because they are either too lazy to take steps in their own world to make life better or too untrusting of other people to pull their own load.  Theres no personal accountability - We externalize so much and I see this as a main cause to events such as these.  I see people clamoring for legislation as just another sign of this externalizing.  Feels like a symptom to a horrible illness bigger than anybody will admit to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:46:45 PM
So because tragedies happen all the time everywhere, we shouldn't try to do anything to prevent them?

you can go back and read my response to mir regarding tradeoffs between liberties and safety.  i'm not going to type it out again.

do you ridicule reaction to all tragedies if they aren't the biggest tragedy or is there some cutoff where they are big enough to qualify a reaction according to sys?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:48:21 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross on December 14, 2012, 10:49:42 PM
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

This guy left his rifle in his car, what exactly would an assault rifle ban done to prevent this?

Never said an assault ban would've prevented this tragedy. Was speaking to a larger point, the status quo in this country is not acceptable. Is this an unsolvable problem? Maybe...but policy makers in this country have to do SOMETHING. The gun violence in America is out of control. Everything needs to be on the table.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 14, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
How many children died of malaria today in the world?  Don't dare suggest that we start producing DDT and shipping it to Africa though.

ddt is banned in the us, and severely restricted worldwide.  even though use of ddt can prevent some human deaths, it has other consequences which are considered to also have importance.  good example.

If by "some" you mean "hundreds of thousands" and by "other consequences which are considered to also have importance" you mean "the possible extinction of a bunch of species no one would miss", you are correct.

But lets spend shitloads of time, money, and media coverage on trying to ban guns in the US, because apparently 20 kids in the US and some  bats and frogs are more important than millions of people in Africa.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 10:52:31 PM
We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.

Not that I disagree, but how does this happen? Particularly inner city. You can't legislate shitty parenting away.
Be the change.  You can't legislate ANY of this away, and I would have thought today's events would make this more evident. There are laws in place that should have prevented this, but they didn't.  I don't see how more laws would help.  Maybe all of the things I posted above are exemplified by people's incessant need to legislate things because they are either too lazy to take steps in their own world to make life better or too untrusting of other people to pull their own load.  Theres no personal accountability - We externalize so much and I see this as a main cause to events such as these.  I see people clamoring for legislation as just another sign of this externalizing.  Feels like a symptom to a horrible illness bigger than anybody will admit to.

What laws are in place that could have prevented this? The laws against committing murder?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 10:54:53 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
steve dave, i'm not ridiculing reaction.  i'm arguing for context.  9-11 was a horrible tragedy, but i think most people, at least most of the left-wing libertarians that frequent this board, can agree that the dept of homeland security and random country invading response was expensive, ineffective and destructive.

intellect, not emotion.  in all things.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:56:20 PM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
If by "some" you mean "hundreds of thousands" and by "other consequences which are considered to also have importance" you mean "the possible extinction of a bunch of species no one would miss", you are correct.

hey, every now and again we get one right.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.

Not that I disagree, but how does this happen? Particularly inner city. You can't legislate shitty parenting away.
Be the change.  You can't legislate ANY of this away, and I would have thought today's events would make this more evident. There are laws in place that should have prevented this, but they didn't.  I don't see how more laws would help.  Maybe all of the things I posted above are exemplified by people's incessant need to legislate things because they are either too lazy to take steps in their own world to make life better or too untrusting of other people to pull their own load.  Theres no personal accountability - We externalize so much and I see this as a main cause to events such as these.  I see people clamoring for legislation as just another sign of this externalizing.  Feels like a symptom to a horrible illness bigger than anybody will admit to.

What laws are in place that could have prevented this? The laws against committing murder?

Yes, Guns on school property is another. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
steve dave, i'm not ridiculing reaction.  i'm arguing for context.  9-11 was a horrible tragedy, but i think most people, at least most of the left-wing libertarians that frequent this board, can agree that the dept of homeland security and random country invading response was expensive, ineffective and destructive.

intellect, not emotion.  in all things.

absolutely. but every time something like this happens we have the very same gun debate. and it happens a lot. eventually it's not reactionary anymore.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross on December 14, 2012, 11:00:31 PM
There are 200 million guns in this country, I agree a assault rifle ban now is probably inconsequential for our lifetimes but damn, think about the future of this country. A federal ban on the manufacture and sale of assault rifles could save thousands of lives in the future. In the short term you probably cant legislate guns away but long term you absolutely can, there are many examples of this throughout the world.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:01:51 PM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.

Be prepared for a never ending list and possible back lashes no person can predict.  It just seems to me, dealing with issues that cause mental illness is a finite list - as opposed to an infinite list of removing tools of violence.  Creating social programs to provide personal counseling and other things of that nature seems like it would have a greater impact on events such as these and even have a farther reach to other serious issues we deal with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:03:37 PM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.

Be prepared for a never ending list and possible back lashes no person can predict.  It just seems to me, dealing with issues that cause mental illness is a finite list - as opposed to an infinite list of removing tools of violence.  Creating social programs to provide personal counseling and other things of that nature seems like it would have a greater impact on events such as these and even have a farther reach to other serious issues we deal with.

yeah, I know gun freaks will get pissed. I'm fine with that. pull the band aid off fast. they can find another way to make themselves feel powerful to compensate. I recommended baseball cards earlier and I maintain it's a good fallback.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.

Why create these standards of situations where you know your point doesn't work?  Why exclude relevant information just because it doesn't fit your nicely packaged argument?  It's a pretty well known fact that the last time an assault weapons ban was I acted in the US, a maniac killed nearly two hundred people with a bomb - including nearly 20 infants/ toddlers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:06:04 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.

Why create these standards of situations where you know your point doesn't work?  Why exclude relevant information just because it doesn't fit your nicely packaged argument?  It's a pretty well known fact that the last time an assault weapons ban was I acted in the US, a maniac killed nearly two hundred people with a bomb - including nearly 20 infants/ toddlers.

don't deflect, at least try to answer
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:07:14 PM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.

Be prepared for a never ending list and possible back lashes no person can predict.  It just seems to me, dealing with issues that cause mental illness is a finite list - as opposed to an infinite list of removing tools of violence.  Creating social programs to provide personal counseling and other things of that nature seems like it would have a greater impact on events such as these and even have a farther reach to other serious issues we deal with.

yeah, I know gun freaks will get pissed. I'm fine with that. pull the band aid off fast. they can find another way to make themselves feel powerful to compensate. I recommended baseball cards earlier and I maintain it's a good fallback.

You're not even reading what I'm writing.  I'm saying illuminating guns does nothing to address the mental illness that allows these things to happen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
so it's one or the other?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.

Be prepared for a never ending list and possible back lashes no person can predict.  It just seems to me, dealing with issues that cause mental illness is a finite list - as opposed to an infinite list of removing tools of violence.  Creating social programs to provide personal counseling and other things of that nature seems like it would have a greater impact on events such as these and even have a farther reach to other serious issues we deal with.

yeah, I know gun freaks will get pissed. I'm fine with that. pull the band aid off fast. they can find another way to make themselves feel powerful to compensate. I recommended baseball cards earlier and I maintain it's a good fallback.

You're not even reading what I'm writing.  I'm saying illuminating guns does nothing to address the mental illness that allows these things to happen.

do both. work on mental illness and take their murder tools away. you don't leave a disintegration ray in the reach of a psychopath, nobody needs a disintegration ray anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
gun people seem to be really parading around the idea that there is a side that is solely anti-gun that is coming down on them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross on December 14, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.

Be prepared for a never ending list and possible back lashes no person can predict.  It just seems to me, dealing with issues that cause mental illness is a finite list - as opposed to an infinite list of removing tools of violence.  Creating social programs to provide personal counseling and other things of that nature seems like it would have a greater impact on events such as these and even have a farther reach to other serious issues we deal with.

yeah, I know gun freaks will get pissed. I'm fine with that. pull the band aid off fast. they can find another way to make themselves feel powerful to compensate. I recommended baseball cards earlier and I maintain it's a good fallback.

You're not even reading what I'm writing.  I'm saying illuminating guns does nothing to address the mental illness that allows these things to happen.

It's seems like what you're saying is the same amount of people would be dead from violence with or without guns, I really hope that's not the case tho because that would be ridiculous.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:13:56 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.

Why create these standards of situations where you know your point doesn't work?  Why exclude relevant information just because it doesn't fit your nicely packaged argument?  It's a pretty well known fact that the last time an assault weapons ban was I acted in the US, a maniac killed nearly two hundred people with a bomb - including nearly 20 infants/ toddlers.

don't deflect, at least try to answer

How can I? That's like asking you to describe a scenario of 50 people accelerating down a steep cliff and loving every minute of it - but mandating you exclude roller coasters from your scenario.  Why pick and choose info? 

So I'll keep my answer.  In 1994, the US instituted an assault weapons ban in hopes to decrease outbreaks of widespread violence.  Within 1 year and 5 months  a man killed nearly 200 people with a bomb he built.  He was tremendously emotionally disturbed and the only thing that could have prevented it was helping home cope with whatever rage or insanity he was dealing with that he stated was triggered by the Waco, TX incident.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
I hate people hyping the "assault weapons ban" like it was some kind of meaningful gun control legislation. All it did was ban the manufacture and sale of new arbitrarily defined "assault weapons". You could still freely buy and sell and own the existing "assault" products. It did nothing to get "assault weapons" off the street, just raised some prices.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
absolutely. but every time something like this happens we have the very same gun debate. and it happens a lot. eventually it's not reactionary anymore.

there are a lot of people that feel like they derive great satisfaction from owning or using guns.  i assume you aren't among them (neither am i, for the record), but surely you recognize the legitimacy of their emotions?  you can not fairly have this discussion with recognizing that in order to reduce the possibility of these types of incidents, there will be american citizens that are not as capable of pursuing happiness as they would be without gun restrictions.

to trot out a tired example - why do we not have the same tired debate every time there's a vehicle crash?  there is no reason we couldn't eliminate private vehicle use from our society.  mass transit, professional drivers, etc.  it is just as feasible, and reacts to a considerably larger problem.

but i think you know full well why we don't.  it is very easy to discuss banning something valued only by the proscribed other, another thing entirely to contemplate forgoing something almost all of us value.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
I hate people hyping the "assault weapons ban" like it was some kind of meaningful gun control legislation. All it did was ban the manufacture and sale of new arbitrarily defined "assault weapons". You could still freely buy and sell and own the existing "assault" products. It did nothing to get "assault weapons" off the street, just raised some prices.

All laws and legislation leave loop holes for people willing to break and bend the law.  I hate the cliche, but what does punishing law abiding citizens accomplish?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 14, 2012, 11:16:35 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.

Why create these standards of situations where you know your point doesn't work?  Why exclude relevant information just because it doesn't fit your nicely packaged argument?  It's a pretty well known fact that the last time an assault weapons ban was I acted in the US, a maniac killed nearly two hundred people with a bomb - including nearly 20 infants/ toddlers.

don't deflect, at least try to answer

Poison, brain control, disease, a big truck, bad building codes, airplanes  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:18:53 PM
absolutely. but every time something like this happens we have the very same gun debate. and it happens a lot. eventually it's not reactionary anymore.

there are a lot of people that feel like they derive great satisfaction from owning or using guns.  i assume you aren't among them (neither am i, for the record), but surely you recognize the legitimacy of their emotions?  you can not fairly have this discussion with recognizing that in order to reduce the possibility of these types of incidents, there will be american citizens that are not as capable of pursuing happiness as they would be without gun restrictions.

to trot out a tired example - why do we not have the same tired debate every time there's a vehicle crash?  there is no reason we couldn't eliminate private vehicle use from our society.  mass transit, professional drivers, etc.  it is just as feasible, and reacts to a considerably larger problem.

but i think you know full well why we don't.  it is very easy to discuss banning something valued only by the proscribed other, another thing entirely to contemplate forgoing something almost all of us value.

don't do that. obviously vehicles have another purpose other than killing something or "providing joy". you are a better and smarter poster than this.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 11:20:10 PM
I hate people hyping the "assault weapons ban" like it was some kind of meaningful gun control legislation. All it did was ban the manufacture and sale of new arbitrarily defined "assault weapons". You could still freely buy and sell and own the existing "assault" products. It did nothing to get "assault weapons" off the street, just raised some prices.

All laws and legislation leave loop holes for people willing to break and bend the law.  I hate the cliche, but what does punishing law abiding citizens accomplish?

It's not a loophole. I'm just saying Timothy McViegh could have legally purchased an AR-15 and loaded up with 30 round mags.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 11:23:05 PM
don't do that. obviously vehicles have another purpose other than murdering something or "providing joy". you are a better and smarter poster than this.

don't condescend to me, you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  read what i wrote and respond to it if you will, but do not dare slip your own assumptions into my text.

i said nothing about vehicles' utility, nor of guns having nonviolent purposes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:24:47 PM
don't do that. obviously vehicles have another purpose other than murdering something or "providing joy". you are a better and smarter poster than this.

don't condescend to me, you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  read what i wrote and respond to it if you will, but do not dare slip your own assumptions into my text.

i said nothing about vehicles' utility, nor of guns having nonviolent purposes.

no, you deserved to be condescended there. I'm positive you know that.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:27:20 PM
No, he couldn't have.  There was an assault weapons ban at the time.  See where this is going? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 11:27:23 PM
no, you deserved to be condescended there. I'm positive you know that.

bullshit, you're simply too lazy to engage in debate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:31:03 PM
no, you deserved to be condescended there. I'm positive you know that.

bullshit, you're simply too lazy to engage in debate.

you:
people get joy from guns
we could ban cars and do away with vehicle crashes which is a bigger problem
you don't want to because you (and all of us) like cars and not guns

me:
that's a dumbfuck argument

you:
nope

me:
nope

no, I have a pretty good grasp of it, thanks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 11:36:32 PM
Legislation should start with bigger punishment.  Like something where if someone is killed with your gun then you serve the same sentence as the person who pulled the trigger.   Maybe ppl wouldn't buy as many and have them laying around so that not just anyone can get into them.

also, shouldn't label things like assault riffles or anything.  Just limit them in such a way that no gun can hold more than 4 or 6 shots at one time. 

Also, fully agree that if you want to own a gun, you should have to get a psych exam and a follow up exam yearly to maintain a license.  i mean, my kid has to have a yearly health exam to be able to enroll and attend KS public school to prove that they don't have some medical issue that will negatively effect the other kids at school.  Let's treat guns and society like that.  Get a doc to check you out to help ensure you won't have a negative effect on the rest of society.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 14, 2012, 11:37:33 PM
don't condescend to me, you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Contender for the word
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 11:37:39 PM
we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.

Why create these standards of situations where you know your point doesn't work?  Why exclude relevant information just because it doesn't fit your nicely packaged argument?  It's a pretty well known fact that the last time an assault weapons ban was I acted in the US, a maniac killed nearly two hundred people with a bomb - including nearly 20 infants/ toddlers.

Now compare the number of fertilizer bombs detonated in America versus instances of nuts who shot up schools/malls/movie theaters.  Must be pretty equal, those fertilizer bombs are basically going off once a month.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 11:39:24 PM
you:
we could ban cars and do away with vehicle crashes which is a bigger problem
you don't want to because you (and all of us) like cars and not guns

me:
that's a dumbfuck argument

good summary.  i extended a logical argument to which you provided an asinine response.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:41:31 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 11:42:16 PM
No, he couldn't have.  There was an assault weapons ban at the time.  See where this is going?

See above, what I'm saying is the assault weapons ban only banned the manufacture of new "assault weapons". You could freely purchase and possess "pre-ban" assault weapons just as you can today.

There is a common misconception that the assault weapons ban prevented people from acquiring or owning assault weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

ridiculous straw man
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:43:14 PM
Legislation should start with bigger punishment.  Like something where if someone is killed with your gun then you serve the same sentence as the person who pulled the trigger.   Maybe ppl wouldn't buy as many and have them laying around so that not just anyone can get into them.

also, shouldn't label things like assault riffles or anything.  Just limit them in such a way that no gun can hold more than 4 or 6 shots at one time. 

Also, fully agree that if you want to own a gun, you should have to get a psych exam and a follow up exam yearly to maintain a license.  i mean, my kid has to have a yearly health exam to be able to enroll and attend KS public school to prove that they don't have some medical issue that will negatively effect the other kids at school.  Let's treat guns and society like that.  Get a doc to check you out to help ensure you won't have a negative effect on the rest of society.

Kind of like when adults get punished for supplying alcohol to minors.  Thank god kids don't drink anymore.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:44:50 PM
you:
we could ban cars and do away with vehicle crashes which is a bigger problem
you don't want to because you (and all of us) like cars and not guns

me:
that's a dumbfuck argument

good summary.  i extended a logical argument to which you provided an asinine response.

your vehicle to gun bullshit was the only asinine part of that argument. and my response was to point out that vehicles do a lot more than kill things.

Edit: and "provide pleasure"  :rolleyes:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:45:09 PM
No, he couldn't have.  There was an assault weapons ban at the time.  See where this is going?

See above, what I'm saying is the assault weapons ban only banned the manufacture of new "assault weapons". You could freely purchase and possess "pre-ban" assault weapons just as you can today.

There is a common misconception that the assault weapons ban prevented people from acquiring or owning assault weapons.
I'm aware - not only that but it provided no definition of what an assault weapon was.  It listed them by name allowing manufacturers to change the name.  This is just as much of a straw man as what SD keeps accusing me of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 11:46:04 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:46:53 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

good post
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 14, 2012, 11:48:20 PM
I'm willing to try a gun ban... with the option of total reversal if crap don't work out like it's supposed to.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

You're comparing a crime of passion to genuine crazy.   You're letting emotion dictate your response to me - its not nearly as successful as you imagine it in your head.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 14, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
my response was to point out that vehicles do a lot more than kill things.

yeah, no crap, dumbass.  1) i never suggested they were designed to kill people, or that they weren't designed to move people and things.  2).  i did mention that they are other ways to accomplish the function for which privately operated vehicles are used - that would almost certainly act to significantly reduce vehicular deaths.


Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:51:04 PM
I'm willing to try a gun ban... with the option of total reversal if crap don't work out like it's supposed to.

Would you be fine with reintroducing guns once our culture of violence is "fixed" through abstinence?  For people that can handle it responsibly of course.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2012, 11:52:44 PM
Legislation should start with bigger punishment.  Like something where if someone is killed with your gun then you serve the same sentence as the person who pulled the trigger.   Maybe ppl wouldn't buy as many and have them laying around so that not just anyone can get into them.

also, shouldn't label things like assault riffles or anything.  Just limit them in such a way that no gun can hold more than 4 or 6 shots at one time. 

Also, fully agree that if you want to own a gun, you should have to get a psych exam and a follow up exam yearly to maintain a license.  i mean, my kid has to have a yearly health exam to be able to enroll and attend KS public school to prove that they don't have some medical issue that will negatively effect the other kids at school.  Let's treat guns and society like that.  Get a doc to check you out to help ensure you won't have a negative effect on the rest of society.

Kind of like when adults get punished for supplying alcohol to minors.  Thank god kids don't drink anymore.

Only addressed one of the three.  also, there is a big diff between huge fines for your keg deposit and for doing 5-10 in prison.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
I'm willing to try a gun ban... with the option of total reversal if crap don't work out like it's supposed to.

Would you be fine with reintroducing guns once our culture of violence is "fixed" through abstinence?  For people that can handle it responsibly of course.

I'm fine with that. if we can take all guns away and then slowly add them back with super strict controls to people who have to show where they are on probably a yearly basis we will be great.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 14, 2012, 11:53:20 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

You're comparing a crime of passion to genuine crazy.   You're letting emotion dictate your response to me - its not nearly as successful as you imagine it in your head.

Crime of passion?  Holy fuvk
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 14, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
I would miss hunting upland game birds though.  #killinganimals  :shy:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 14, 2012, 11:54:27 PM
I would miss hunting upland game birds though.  #killinganimals  :shy:

Slingshot.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 14, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

You're comparing a crime of passion to genuine crazy.   You're letting emotion dictate your response to me - its not nearly as successful as you imagine it in your head.

Crime of passion?  Holy fuvk

Yeah sorry ...  Didn't read it that closely.  Oops.  I do think the majority of people here are reacting through emotion though.  I'm trying really hard not to myself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2012, 11:57:38 PM
my response was to point out that vehicles do a lot more than kill things.

yeah, no crap, dumbass.  1) i never suggested they were designed to kill people, or that they weren't designed to move people and things.  2).  i did mention that they are other ways to accomplish the function for which privately operated vehicles are used - that would almost certainly act to significantly reduce vehicular deaths.

and nowhere did I say that the vehicle idea was a bad one. guns are a completely different thing than cars. I think safe public trans. is great and should be almost forced in most cases. It's also a completely separate argument (along with almost every other deflecting rough ridin' argument people keep bringing up). tons of crap kills people. we should react and look to solve all of them. this isn't a "what kills people that we can do away with" argument. at some point reacting to things that consistently kill people is ok and productive. and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that (< condescending Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!))
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 15, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
I would miss hunting upland game birds though.  #killinganimals  :shy:

Slingshot.

That would take some skill bro.  I better start practicing, maybe I could make something that uses compressed air.  Yeah like a beebee gun on steriods.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:02:26 AM
The dude couldn't have cleaned out that kindergarten class without his mom's semi auto pistols.  Fact
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 12:07:51 AM
I hate people hyping the "assault weapons ban" like it was some kind of meaningful gun control legislation. All it did was ban the manufacture and sale of new arbitrarily defined "assault weapons". You could still freely buy and sell and own the existing "assault" products. It did nothing to get "assault weapons" off the street, just raised some prices.

All laws and legislation leave loop holes for people willing to break and bend the law.  I hate the cliche, but what does punishing law abiding citizens accomplish?

Sorry, but the crazy psychopaths that murder tens upon tens of children, mallgoers, moviegoers etc. have kinda ruined the fun for the Ted Nugents of the world who want to go shoot targets on their farm from like a mile away.

And maybe it's just me, but I feel like there are infinitely more causes to depression/illness/etc than there are ways of mass murder.  Seems to me like taking away the methods of mass killing would kinda cover all the bases in regards to mental illness.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 12:09:19 AM
and nowhere did I say that the vehicle idea was a bad one.

i prolly just assumed you failed to consider it since your response was "don't do that. obviously vehicles have another purpose other than killing something or "providing joy". you are a better and smarter poster than this." aka. "that's a dumbfuck argument".

at some point reacting to things that consistently kill people is ok and productive. and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that (< condescending Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!))

you're wrong to assume that.  it would appear that you and i place fundamentally different values on both human life and human liberties.  (i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that in order to wipe death from the face of the earth, people's liberties will be sacrificed).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 12:10:22 AM
Does steve dave run kim english's twitter account?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:12:07 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:14:14 AM
at some point reacting to things that consistently kill people is ok and productive. and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that (< condescending Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!))

you're wrong to assume that.  it would appear that you and i place fundamentally different values on both human life and human liberties.  (i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that in order to wipe death from the face of the earth, people's liberties will be sacrificed).

and I think this is probably the root of our argument
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

When the home invaders come through your door, get back to me on that.

1) T's & P's on being so afraid of the world
2) according to gun nuts, a knife will do just as well, keep that in your nightstand.

1) T&P for your family whose lives you apparently don't value
2) thanks for making my point

Well like, live in a better neighborhood then.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 15, 2012, 12:15:46 AM
Uh oh looks like we got us an oldfashion gunoff. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 12:18:21 AM
re-merge the threads SD  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:18:28 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 12:18:29 AM
  Seems to me like taking away the methods of mass killing would kinda cover all the bases in regards to mental illness.

:facepalm:

How many times does this need a response?  Mass killings are generally  premeditated - they can be planned and prepared for.  Guns can be purchased on the black market. Other weapons can be found/used. You cannot take them away.  The culture of violence is the only addressable issue that could have an impact on situations like this morning.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:20:20 AM
You cannot take them away

the eff you can't
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:21:49 AM
question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 12:22:13 AM
I'm not going to lower my arguments to " 'e eff you can't" anymore.  This is the longest thread of dumb I've ever seen.  Good night.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
  Seems to me like taking away the methods of mass killing would kinda cover all the bases in regards to mental illness.

:facepalm:

How many times does this need a response?  Mass killings are generally  premeditated - they can be planned and prepared for.  Guns can be purchased on the black market. Other weapons can be found/used. You cannot take them away.  The culture of violence is the only addressable issue that could have an impact on situations like this morning.

NVM. I'm no longer for banning guns as long as we steamroll and ban all of the Marilyn Manson and Eminem cds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:24:31 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:25:43 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

I'll go first to break the ice

best:
guy from my town killed a deer with big horns
I shot 16 straight clay pigeons with a .410 shotgun in 8th grade

worst:
friend accidentally shot his foot off, complete dumbass
uncle shot himself in the head
guy in my HS class held up a convenience store with one
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 12:30:26 AM
question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

best: hunted animals, shot targets for sport and fun.

worst: guy i work with was in a hunting party that took a bad shot and killed a guy they knew (small town) on the other side of the ridge sitting in his truck.

worst: classmate in 7th rough ridin' grade killed himself with a shotgun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:31:28 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

Oh then yeah that's what I was saying, legislation limiting access to guns won't limit access to guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:33:09 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

Oh then yeah that's what I was saying, legislation limiting access to guns won't limit access to guns.

depends on how intensive the legislation is imo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 15, 2012, 12:34:18 AM
question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

Police bro and police uncle have not had to use their guns ever.  One time my bro ran down a drug dealer and his gun became more of a hinderance than helpful.  When he caught the perp he resisted arest and they got in a wrestling match.  The guy was trying to use my bro's own gun against him.  All my bro could do was put both his hands over his holster to prevent the guy from pulling it out.  Meanwhile the guy was pounding on him and just beating the crap out of him in general.  Finally bro's partner shows up to help get the situ under control.  Tasers on the other hand have been used very effectively.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:34:49 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

Oh then yeah that's what I was saying, legislation limiting access to guns won't limit access to guns.

depends on how intensive the legislation is imo

Agree to disagree. I hate debating things and I respect your opinion. Bye.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 12:36:04 AM
Oh look. Double murder/suicide in vegas.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 12:37:29 AM
I think we need to train empathy in kids and when they reach a certain age they are tested for functioning empathy and if they dont have then deport them permanently to australia.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 12:39:20 AM
Agree to disagree. I hate debating things and I respect your opinion. Bye.

wow.  33, you are a model of efficiency.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 12:40:42 AM
And HeinBallz, no one is saying that mental illness is not a part of the problem.  But taking guns out of the hands of those who are mumped in the head certainly seems a lot easier than establishing a utopian society where mental illness and that which causes it are no more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:51:59 AM
i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.

your argument, while still wrong, is well reasoned
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:52:49 AM
What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

excellent point. Thread should end here

And HeinBallz, no one is saying that mental illness is not a part of the problem.  But taking guns out of the hands of those who are mumped in the head certainly seems a lot easier than establishing a utopian society where mental illness and that which causes it are no more.

well, good luck with that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:53:48 AM
EVERYONE GETS A GUN!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:55:54 AM
don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:58:11 AM
People will always find a way to kill other people. That dude in China killed a ton of people with a knife. The 911 ass hats killed a bunch of people with airplanes. Tim Mcveigh used fertilizer

EVERYONE GETS A GUN!

 :thumbs:




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:59:42 AM
you may want to read the entire knife article

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind
[/quote]

i'm listening.  why were these 20 kids more important than the 20 our drone blew up by mistake last thursday?  or the sunday prior, or whenever the eff it was when no one reported it and no one messageboarded about it and no one noticed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 01:09:11 AM
20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind

i'm listening.  why were these 20 kids more important than the 20 our drone blew up by mistake last thursday?  or the sunday prior, or whenever the eff it was when no one reported it and no one messageboarded about it and no one noticed.
[/quote]

Because this happened in a fairly affluent, white community. (semi-srs)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 01:10:30 AM
both were important and worthy of discussion dumbfucks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 01:11:59 AM
So because tragedies happen all the time everywhere, we shouldn't try to do anything to prevent them?

you can go back and read my response to mir regarding tradeoffs between liberties and safety.  i'm not going to type it out again.

it would be enlightening if you truly believed that but you don't.  You don't think anyone should be able to do whatever the eff they want to under the guise of personal liberty.  You don't want to restrict guns because the issue hasn't touched you in the manner to move you to action.

You moved to the state that restricts personal freedom more than any other.  You go to establishments that honor smoking bans.  I'm assuming you wouldn't be okay with the BART allowing homeless to sleep on their tracks.  There are many more intrusions on personal liberty that both you and I live with and endorse everyday.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 01:13:59 AM
you may want to read the entire knife article

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

I found this interesting.

"A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 01:15:51 AM
both were important and worthy of discussion dumbfucks

let me just search for the thread where you spend all day going on about restricting drone ownership.


nope, just found dax's fifty, yours must have gotten lost in the server.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
it would be enlightening if you truly believed that but you don't.  You don't think anyone should be able to do whatever the eff they want to under the guise of personal liberty.  You don't want to restrict guns because the issue hasn't touched you in the manner to move you to action.

You moved to the state that restricts personal freedom more than any other.  You go to establishments that honor smoking bans.  I'm assuming you wouldn't be okay with the BART allowing homeless to sleep on their tracks.  There are many more intrusions on personal liberty that both you and I live with and endorse everyday.

i absolutely believe that legislators and the people they represent should be cognizant of tradeoffs.  that doesn't mean i think that no restriction on personal liberty should ever be enacted.

i live with many, many rules that restrict my personal freedom, and the freedoms of those around me.  that doesn't imply that i endorse those restrictions.  it is safe to say that while i think some restrictions can be appropriate, i think american society has erred far too often on the side of forfeiting liberties.  agree that california sucks, btw.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 01:24:46 AM
People kill people. Guns do not kill people. What about that 16 yr old american boy that was murdered in yemen...granted his father was a suspected terrorist and he was also a US Citizen but you dont here about that kid. he lived in colorado...if it happens to us we flip out...but when we do it to others its okay? Stricter gun laws will not help. And i do not feel like being disarmed against the NWO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 01:26:35 AM
20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

Jesus, never mind

i'm listening.  why were these 20 kids more important than the 20 our drone blew up by mistake last thursday?  or the sunday prior, or whenever the eff it was when no one reported it and no one messageboarded about it and no one noticed.
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First of all it isn't just 20 kids and you know that.  Hundreds of Americans die at the hands of guns every single day.  If its 20 rich white kids that get this country to finally act to join the rest of the civilized world, then they didn't die in vein like the others.

Your drone question was dumb and you're better than that.  No one on the right side of this conversation will fall for your strawman.  You want to talk about the merits of military action start a new thread, one has nothing to do with the other.  Also more Americans are killed at the hands of gun violence everyday than people killed at the hands of US military action.  Am I missing your point or do you really not know how many people are shot in America every day?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 01:28:01 AM
both were important and worthy of discussion dumbfucks

let me just search for the thread where you spend all day going on about the restricting drone ownership.


nope, just found dax's fifty, yours must have gotten lost in the server.

I also didn't have a thread about aids in africa or any other thing that was awful but I'm solidly against all of them. and I've commented plenty in the pit about the drones. why is it a requirement to have been on the record against all atrocities to comment on something awful?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 01:49:21 AM
sys changing the subject is ridiculous, but he's right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 01:58:23 AM
I also didn't have a thread about aids in africa or any other thing that was awful but I'm solidly against all of them. and I've commented plenty in the pit about the drones. why is it a requirement to have been on the record against all atrocities to comment on something awful?

it just highlights your hypocrisy, which is something i'm very interested in.  lol @ being equally interested in all atrocities but having a hundred posts/day on one topic and 0/year on all others.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 02:02:40 AM
I also didn't have a thread about aids in africa or any other thing that was awful but I'm solidly against all of them. and I've commented plenty in the pit about the drones. why is it a requirement to have been on the record against all atrocities to comment on something awful?

it just highlights your hypocrisy, which is something i'm very interested in.  lol @ being equally interested in all atrocities but having a hundred posts/day on one topic and 0/year on all others.

the "equally interested" is a strawman. of course I'm more "interested" in what is right here in what could be my community. how many posts do you have on all of the epidemics and atrocities in the world? how many do you have that are anti-reactionary to this one? If you want to talk about hypocrisy you better start at home.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:06:03 AM
Hundreds of Americans die at the hands of guns every single day.

the internet says 87/day.


Your drone question was dumb and you're better than that.  No one on the right side of this conversation will fall for your strawman.  You want to talk about the merits of military action start a new thread, one has nothing to do with the other.  Also more Americans are killed at the hands of gun violence everyday than people killed at the hands of US military action.  Am I missing your point or do you really not know how many people are shot in America every day?

it's neither a strawman nor a diversion.  i'd like someone to rationally explain to me why you're hellbent on starting your campaign to end death in the world by outlawing gun ownership rather than something that causes far more deaths, like vehicles, or something that has no downside, like not spending millions of dollars to fly robots over foreign countries dropping bombs on them.  there's low hanging fruit and big giant fruit all around, but you and sd are lasered in on the crabapple in the middle of the tree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:12:12 AM
the "equally interested" is a strawman. of course I'm more "interested" in what is right here in what could be my community. how many posts do you have on all of the epidemics and atrocities in the world? how many do you have that are anti-reactionary to this one? If you want to talk about hypocrisy you better start at home.

i'm not particularly interested in atrocities that don't effect me.  that's why i don't have tons of posts on all the epidemics and atrocities in the world.  and it's why i'm not particularly interested in tossing someone else's liberties on the bonfire of your reactionary campaign to never again allow an american to be shot.

1 consistency and just 0 hypocrisies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 02:16:24 AM
the "equally interested" is a strawman. of course I'm more "interested" in what is right here in what could be my community. how many posts do you have on all of the epidemics and atrocities in the world? how many do you have that are anti-reactionary to this one? If you want to talk about hypocrisy you better start at home.

i'm not particularly interested in atrocities that don't effect me.  that's why i don't have tons of posts on all the epidemics and atrocities in the world.  and it's why i'm not particularly interested in tossing someone else's liberties on the bonfire of your reactionary campaign to never again allow an american to be shot.

1 consistency and just 0 hypocrisies.

your argument against reacting to this shooting was that it was irrelevant to larger potential issues (correct?) and we should be talking about those (correct?). link your posts to those issues (that effect you if you now need that qualifier).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 02:35:36 AM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.

I mean, we can get down to "XX consistencys and just XX hypocrisies" if you want but ultimately this is the dumbfuck comment that started this and you cannot validate it reasonably. say it's a small portion or whatever makes you feel better but it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:37:24 AM
incorrect.  my argument against it is that you would be trampling on the personal liberties of people who value those liberties greatly, in an effort to achieve a relatively paltry gain in public safety (i also agree with those that have commented on the probable futility of the effort, but i haven't advanced that argument myself).

as a part of that argument, i've queried why there is such a focus on the cause of this particular tragedy.  there are easier problems to solve, and there are greater problems to solve.  why this tragedy, this cause, if not merely as a knee-jerk emotional reaction to media coverage waived before your nose like a squirrel before a terrier's?


i do think it is nothing more than emotional writhing, and i don't think that's a convincing basis for policy decisions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 02:40:03 AM
Still haven't heard a compelling counter argument for why rubber bullets for citizens shouldn't be the most lethal ammo one could legally carry.   

I propose we legislate the prohibition of the citizen manufacturing or sale of ammunition as we know it.  Government wouldn't go in and take anyone's guns.  People could retain their personal liberties.  People could still defend themselves against hypothetical intruders.  If some nut job wants to melt lead or whatever to make makeshift bullets, they do so in violation of the law.  Just like if some one wants to build a bomb in his basement, he does so in violation of the law.

Seems to me to be the best compromise, the answer and, if I had to guess, probably the future.  I could be totally wrong here though.

Do you think people should be afforded the liberty to specifically carry whichever kind of ammunition they choose sys?  If so, do you think people should be afforded the liberty to carry any kind of weapon, including bombs?  I hope you don't think I'm trying to be condescending, I'm just trying to see where the limits to your advocacy for personal liberty stops.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 02:42:00 AM
incorrect.  my argument against it is that you would be trampling on the personal liberties of people who value those liberties greatly, in an effort to achieve a relatively paltry gain in public safety (i also agree with those that have commented on the probable futility of the effort, but i haven't advanced that argument myself).

as a part of that argument, i've queried why there is such a focus on the cause of this particular tragedy.  there are easier problems to solve, and there are greater problems to solve.  why this tragedy, this cause, if not merely as a knee-jerk emotional reaction to media coverage waived before your nose like a squirrel before a terrier's?


i do think it is nothing more than emotional writhing, and i don't think that's a convincing basis for policy decisions.

well, that makes me sad sys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:46:50 AM
shut up, cowards.  you hear about massacres involving guns because we have 7 billion people in the world and a media that covers every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance.

I mean, we can get down to "XX consistencys and just XX hypocrisies" if you want but ultimately this is the dumbfuck comment that started this and you cannot validate it reasonably. say it's a small portion or whatever makes you feel better but it's bullshit.

i explained that a little in one of my responses to mir.  it's really unrelated to the argument against gun control. rather an expression of the frustration i feel with the vein of cowardice running through our society.  perhaps it runs through our species, but i romanticize early times and other cultures that i do not perceive to be so obsessed with personal safety.

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i'm also against the cowardice that permeates our culture.  life is risky, it is impossible to remove all risk from our lives, and the insane pursuit of safety already causes us to be incredibly less productive, happy and wealthy than we could be.  gun control again, wouldn't even be on the top 20 (prolly top 100) of a list of our hyperresponsiveness to the perception of random danger, but it's a symptom of the same disease.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 03:00:59 AM
Do you think people should be afforded the liberty to specifically carry whichever kind of ammunition they choose sys?  If so, do you think people should be afforded the liberty to carry any kind of weapon, including bombs?  I hope you don't think I'm trying to be condescending, I'm just trying to see where the limits to your advocacy for personal liberty stops.

hey dlew.  i'm afraid i haven't really followed your rubber bullet posts, so forgive me if i'm jumping in on ground already covered.  i don't really think rubber bullets are going to make an appreciable difference in rates of gun violence or in lethality of gun violence.  but i've never really thought about it.

i do think that people should be allowed to own metal ammunition.  and bombs.  using either to harm other people should be illegal.  philosophically, i am generally against outlawing things that are not in and of themselves harmful, but merely may facilitate an action that is harmful (e.g. guns/homicide).  the same would apply to metal ammunition and to bombs.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 03:11:06 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-to-talk-about-gun-control/2012/12/14/c8b29a46-4624-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

http://www.montrosepress.com/opinion/letters/fix-the-second-amendment-now/article_9e09d7c8-459d-11e2-975e-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/what-obama-must-do-about-guns.html#ixzz2F4e0gGqJ

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/opinion/martin-gun-control/?hpt=hp_bn7

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/14/if-todays-shooting-wont-prompt-action-then-nothing-will/

Gun bans, reform, etc. is going to be pushed hard.  Citizens will become more divided.  This sucks for all of us.


The machine is already churning. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 03:16:07 AM
Do you think people should be afforded the liberty to specifically carry whichever kind of ammunition they choose sys?  If so, do you think people should be afforded the liberty to carry any kind of weapon, including bombs?  I hope you don't think I'm trying to be condescending, I'm just trying to see where the limits to your advocacy for personal liberty stops.

hey dlew.  i'm afraid i haven't really followed your rubber bullet posts, so forgive me if i'm jumping in on ground already covered.  i don't really think rubber bullets are going to make an appreciable difference in rates of gun violence or in lethality of gun violence.  but i've never really thought about it.

i do think that people should be allowed to own metal ammunition.  and bombs.  using either to harm other people should be illegal.  philosophically, i am generally against outlawing things that are not in and of themselves harmful, but merely may facilitate an action that is harmful (e.g. guns/homicide).  the same would apply to metal ammunition and to bombs.
Regarding your first point, rubber bullets may not curb anything.  Admittedly, I know little about guns. 

It seems to me though, that the issue is that people want to be able to defend themselves with guns and use guns for other sport related pastimes.  But those opposed to guns aren't really opposed to either of those ends because, without more, those ends are absolutely without wrong.  Instead, those "against guns," are really just interested in curbing the danger of guns, which in its own right, is also a blameless pursuit.  If pressed, I imagine most gun owners aren't consciously advocating that guns maintain their instantaneously lethal nature, but rather only that their guns' maintain whatever utility (self-defense, sport) they have for them.  Is strictly "instantaneously lethal" a benefit gun owners would fight to protect? I don't think so, but I suppose that could be up for discussion.   This is, of course, based on the assumption that "self-defense" is not necessarily strictly equal to "instantaneous death."

So if there was some way to manipulate guns in such a way to make them unable to instantaneously kill humans, but still make them adequate for morally permissible self-defense and sport related purposes, we could keep all sides relatively happy.  I don't know whether or not rubber bullets would meet this end, but it's almost 2013 and we have robots on Mars.  I imagine we could concoct some form of ammunition that could work.

Also, I don't know how this would fit with hunting.

Regarding your second point, I respect your philosophy and the consistency with which you apply it, but I fundamentally disagree with it.  I'd love to ask you about your application of it to some hypothetical situations, but that's another thread for another day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 03:24:07 AM
Some talk of mental disorders, etc. in this thread and related to gun control.  Just thought I pass this along.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038322_DSM-5_psychiatry_false_diagnosis.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 03:52:58 AM
Kid did not kill his dad.

Dad is a VP of Taxes for GE Energy Financial Services in Stamford, Conn.

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Father-of-Newtown-shooter-lives-in-Stamford-4119559.php

sorry if luked
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: the KHAN! on December 15, 2012, 05:11:12 AM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.

eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.

STFU you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

You know, maybe people who were carrying legally could stand a chance at stopping these events if...you know...they took place in areas where people could carry legally....you know...like not a school. Idiot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 15, 2012, 06:18:06 AM
The second amendment says "well regulated" , clearly that it's not the case right now and that needs to be the starring point for a national conversation. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 06:31:21 AM
Sys is like Redeker in WWZ.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 06:33:22 AM
Also, lol at the idea that my 2nd Amendment rifle will protect me from a hypothetical tyrannical version of our government that already has flying death robots.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 06:33:51 AM
Sys is like Redeker in WWZ.

Meant this as a compliment btw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 06:48:26 AM
If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

yeah, I am very fine with this. start with the big ones and work down the list.

Sounds good, Lets ban Handguns first (don't like them any way) then "Other Weapons"
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 06:56:09 AM
i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.

Because they accept that human life is worth preserving and you don't.  It makes using a moral calculus predicated on preserving life in a discussion about gun restrictions kind of pointless.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 07:02:15 AM
Humans will find ways of killing other humans. It is a said fact in life. Take away the guns, they will use bows. Take away bows they will use swords, take away swords and they will use rocks.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I'm all for reasonable  gun control law that are way stronger than the ones we have but why not we also work on helping people that feel the need to take other peoples lives. Instead of taking the time and energy in taking away guns from every person, why not take the time to work on identifying the people that want to kill and help them before they kill one person or 20.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 07:03:01 AM
Humans will find ways of killing other humans. It is a said fact in life. Take away the guns, they will use bows. Take away bows they will use swords, take away swords and they will use rocks.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I'm all for reasonable  gun control law that are way stronger than the ones we have but why not we also work on helping people that feel the need to take other peoples lives. Instead of taking the time and energy in taking away guns from every person, why not take the time to work on identifying the people that want to kill and help them before they kill one person or 20.

Your reasoning fails to explain non-proliferation and Mutually Assured Destruction.  Why?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 07:14:16 AM
Humans will find ways of killing other humans. It is a said fact in life. Take away the guns, they will use bows. Take away bows they will use swords, take away swords and they will use rocks.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I'm all for reasonable  gun control law that are way stronger than the ones we have but why not we also work on helping people that feel the need to take other peoples lives. Instead of taking the time and energy in taking away guns from every person, why not take the time to work on identifying the people that want to kill and help them before they kill one person or 20.

Your reasoning fails to explain non-proliferation and Mutually Assured Destruction.  Why?

Okay, explain how those relate to one persons act of violence?

Non-proliferation only happened after we reach the current pinnacle of killing lots of people. After it was reached, of course the people that have The Bomb does not want the "little guy" to have it and use it against them. If a new weapon is developed that is more destructive than a hydrogen bomb, guess what, we will build it.

MAD is closer analogy to current concealed carry laws. Let me carry a gun because other people have guns. BS You don't need a gun to protect your self and a law to allow you to carry it. You need laws to get the guns out of the hands of people that will use it against you.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
Storm, are you really drunk right now? Or did kcnut hack your account?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 07:26:47 AM
Storm, are you really drunk right now? Or did kcnut hack your account?

No, Why do people no want to help the people that want to kill people. No people would rather unemployed millions of people, make millions of more criminals, and not solve the people of people wanting to kill people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 15, 2012, 07:34:07 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 07:37:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

BODY COUNT: ZERO
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
My father was killed in a mass homicide/suicide, and that was 25+ years ago.  The .45's for that shooting were taken from a Nat'l guard armory.  Mass shootings aren't really a new problem and there's no magic bullet solution. 

I keep a gun to protect myself and I think it's hard for people to rationalize not being able to.  Even if you outlaw guns or restrict sales and ammo, they will be gettable for decades, and how do I trust I will be safe until then?  My father wasn't.

I'm also an elementary school teacher, and while I desire to feel safe, and the idea of packing around kids is among the 5 worst in the history of the world.  This is one of those things where you really can't legislate it away.  I think HB is right about society.  If you don't start there you are doomed to fail.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 07:41:59 AM
Storm, are you really drunk right now? Or did kcnut hack your account?

Also, why do people always use personal attacks against people with different views. I am as guilty as the next person but while dilute your own argument by using them. I am not as articulate as I wish I was but I still have an opinion I want to express.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 07:43:27 AM
Storm, are you really drunk right now? Or did kcnut hack your account?

Also, why do people always use personal attacks against people with different views. I am as guilty as the next person but while dilute your own argument by using them. I am not as articulate as I wish I was but I still have an opinion I want to express.

way to say yes, without saying yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 15, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
When the guns are banned, the nut cases will start strapping bombs on themselves and walking into schools and public places and detonating themselves and everyone within close proximity, or rolling vans full of explosives up to the front of a large building and detonating . . . oh wait, that's been done already.



Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 07:44:29 AM
I meant that more as a sincere question than a personal attack. I'm not even sure if or how much I disagree with you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 07:54:20 AM
I meant that more as a sincere question than a personal attack. I'm not even sure if or how much I disagree with you.

I am trying to post in my sucky English that I always use.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 08:00:25 AM
When the guns are banned, the nut cases will start strapping bombs on themselves and walking into schools and public places and detonating themselves and everyone within close proximity, or rolling vans full of explosives up to the front of a large building and detonating . . . oh wait, that's been done already.

This isn't an argument. Guns were never banned. McVeigh wanted to blow up a building so he build a huge bomb. Guess what. Then we instituted fertilizer and fuel controls and it hasn't happen since, while many have been caught in the act of trying.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 08:20:08 AM
When the guns are banned, the nut cases will start strapping bombs on themselves and walking into schools and public places and detonating themselves and everyone within close proximity, or rolling vans full of explosives up to the front of a large building and detonating . . . oh wait, that's been done already.

This isn't an argument. Guns were never banned. McVeigh wanted to blow up a building so he build a huge bomb. Guess what. Then we instituted fertilizer and fuel controls and it hasn't happen since, while many have been caught in the act of trying.

You can still buy it though. It was not banned. That's the point. Regulate it, control guns so that they are out of the hands of the bad guys but allow for the use for responsible people that will use them properly. Again, work to find the people that want to kill other people and get them help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 15, 2012, 08:24:38 AM
I did not say guns "were never" banned, I said "when the guns are banned" . . . and  :lol: at you for implying there's no regulations on guns.   But I am all for more regulation on certain guns, the problems that the gun control zealots have is that they can never get past the simple reality that in many cases people break lists existing laws to obtain certain guns, that bad people will find a way to get guns to do bad things with, and anti-gunners will paint with such broad brushes that they'll only get nothing but push back. 

Most of the people caught trying to build Fertilizer bombs after OKC were simply stupid people.   Plus, that's not the only way to build a really big bomb, and you certainly don't need fertilizer to build a highly destructive strap on bomb . . . it happens nearly every day all over the world and how you build one is readily obtainable information on the Internet.   But then again bad, crazed people tend to find ways to do bad, crazy things. 

Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 08:36:33 AM
JFC with the bringing up fertilizer to argue against outlawing guns. One time in our lifetimes fertilizer was used to kill people. Farmers need fertilizer, use it for all of our betterment and nobody outside of the military and special portions of law enforcement need guns. They no longer serve a purpose. Nobody any of you know has ever used a gun for an actual beneficial purpose other than compensating for their feelings of powerlessness, every one of you know someone that has used one for a bad purpose.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 08:48:15 AM
JFC with the bringing up fertilizer to argue against outlawing guns. One time in our lifetimes fertilizer was used to kill people. Farmers need fertilizer, use it for all of our betterment and nobody outside of the military and special portions of law enforcement need guns. They no longer serve a purpose. Nobody any of you know has ever used a gun for an actual beneficial purpose other than compensating for their feelings of powerlessness, every one of you know someone that has used one for a bad purpose.

I learned how to shoot at a very young age. I was thought to respect them, to treat them as if they were always loaded. To never point them at anything I did not attend to shoot. It helped me learn control, respect, and responsibility. I have never felt any lacking of powerlessness for not have one. You seem to be coming from an misguided education Steve. You are afraid of something you obviously have no understanding of. Educate your self using other resources other than anti-gun sources. I know you are smarter than this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
Right or wrong, SD's posted similar gun control talking points for years. 

Did I just hear all the guns were purchased by Lanza's mom?  wtf was an elementary school para doing with an assault rifle and two handguns that her son with a history of mental illness had access to?   :eek:  That's just a bombardment of wtf's.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Right or wrong, SD's posted similar gun control talking points for years. 

Did I just hear all the guns were purchased by Lanza's mom?  wtf was an elementary school para doing with an assault rifle and two handguns that her son with a history of mental illness had access to?   :eek:  That's just a bombardment of wtf's.

Obviously Steve has had a tragic past that have involved guns. I can say if something had happened to a loved one by a gun I may not have similar feelings.

On the point that her mom owned these guns. Yea WTF. Get the feeling that she may have purchased these guns for her son because he like them. If I had a mental illness I would hope to god my folks would never have bought me any firearms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 15, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
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According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.
Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.)

In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference.

In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.

In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.

In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)

In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 09:18:26 AM
Humans will find ways of killing other humans. It is a said fact in life. Take away the guns, they will use bows. Take away bows they will use swords, take away swords and they will use rocks.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I'm all for reasonable  gun control law that are way stronger than the ones we have but why not we also work on helping people that feel the need to take other peoples lives. Instead of taking the time and energy in taking away guns from every person, why not take the time to work on identifying the people that want to kill and help them before they kill one person or 20.

Your reasoning fails to explain non-proliferation and Mutually Assured Destruction.  Why?

Okay, explain how those relate to one persons act of violence?

Non-proliferation only happened after we reach the current pinnacle of killing lots of people. After it was reached, of course the people that have The Bomb does not want the "little guy" to have it and use it against them. If a new weapon is developed that is more destructive than a hydrogen bomb, guess what, we will build it.

MAD is closer analogy to current concealed carry laws. Let me carry a gun because other people have guns. BS You don't need a gun to protect your self and a law to allow you to carry it. You need laws to get the guns out of the hands of people that will use it against you.

MAD is actually not analogous to concealed carry. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
Humans will find ways of killing other humans. It is a said fact in life. Take away the guns, they will use bows. Take away bows they will use swords, take away swords and they will use rocks.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I'm all for reasonable  gun control law that are way stronger than the ones we have but why not we also work on helping people that feel the need to take other peoples lives. Instead of taking the time and energy in taking away guns from every person, why not take the time to work on identifying the people that want to kill and help them before they kill one person or 20.

Your reasoning fails to explain non-proliferation and Mutually Assured Destruction.  Why?

Okay, explain how those relate to one persons act of violence?

Non-proliferation only happened after we reach the current pinnacle of killing lots of people. After it was reached, of course the people that have The Bomb does not want the "little guy" to have it and use it against them. If a new weapon is developed that is more destructive than a hydrogen bomb, guess what, we will build it.

MAD is closer analogy to current concealed carry laws. Let me carry a gun because other people have guns. BS You don't need a gun to protect your self and a law to allow you to carry it. You need laws to get the guns out of the hands of people that will use it against you.

MAD is actually not analogous to concealed carry.

Yes it is, it is the belief by some that if people have guns that other people will not use them against them. Just like these nuts that want to arm teachers. That would have not prevented the shootings yesterday. It may have limited the deaths but not all of them.

MAD is only a matter of time to fail once technology and humanity find it okay again to nuke a country. (why a missile shield may not be the best idea in the world)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Everyone knows which country has nukes.  That is completely different than concealed carry.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 15, 2012, 09:32:30 AM
Everyone knows which country has nukes.  That is completely different than concealed carry.
MAD was made more prevalent in knowing that we could not destroy there nukes because we did not know were they were (mobile launchers, sub based nukes) and knowing when they fired them (early detection)

Concealed carry is a lot of these same concepts. Especially not knowing were, or in this case which person in a group has the gun or if all of them do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2012, 09:56:22 AM
Its certainly not feasible for the country and its citizens, crazy or hobbiest to just give up their guns.  Stricter legislation on guns and buying them would be a start.  Making it mandatory that any gun purchase include a lock would may help as well.  Some people may not use the lock but having it may help secure the guns and, though probably more likely not, may of helped to prevent yesterday's tragedy.

Of course more needs to be done for mentally ill as well as parenting.  This guy was raised by a teacher, and although he was mentally ill, I would be surprised if his teacher mother did not do almost everything in her power to get him help.  She is in a position where she would most likely understand his illness as well as the special needs it requires.  Maybe the solution is that when a minor is diagnosed with certain mental illnesses, they are required to seek specified help on the government's dime (socialized medicine! They're trying to raise our children! Communist!).

Heinballz, you keep bringing up McVeigh which is an instance of killing without a gun and with a bomb.  Most of these shootings don't show that level of planning.  You could say Columbine and maybe Aurora (hard to say til more details come out).  Guns are available to where any nut job can do this on a whim.  Yes there are different instruments of death, but I find it hard that you can't see that guns are the most efficient and readily available means to carryout psychotic whims.  You want to say that people will find other means to do this, but then why not find out?  People are generally lazy.  Seattle got crap for building suicide prevention walls on certain bridges because people thought they would just go to another bridge.  Then suicide numbers dropped greatly in the city.  People are really rough ridin' lazy.  Even a lot of mentally ill
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 10:02:01 AM
Its certainly not feasible for the country and its citizens, crazy or hobbiest to just give up their guns. 

It absolutely is. Would it be hard? Yes. Would it be worth it? Yes. It's not like we would be the first western nation to do so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
Everyone knows which country has nukes.  That is completely different than concealed carry.
MAD was made more prevalent in knowing that we could not destroy there nukes because we did not know were they were (mobile launchers, sub based nukes) and knowing when they fired them (early detection)

Concealed carry is a lot of these same concepts. Especially not knowing were, or in this case which person in a group has the gun or if all of them do.

No.  MAD is predicated on the sheer power of nuclear weapons.  The arms race was about amassing an arsenal so large that it didn't matter if you knew where all of the nuclear weapons were, there was a mutual understanding that each country would be committing suicide if they attacked.  This was very much an open understanding and there was very little that was concealed about it, thus why the Cuban Missile was such a threat.  It disrupted the balance.

The problem is:  states almost inevitably act, or attempt to act, rationally and individuals do not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 10:05:58 AM
Hundreds of Americans die at the hands of guns every single day.

the internet says 87/day.


Your drone question was dumb and you're better than that.  No one on the right side of this conversation will fall for your strawman.  You want to talk about the merits of military action start a new thread, one has nothing to do with the other.  Also more Americans are killed at the hands of gun violence everyday than people killed at the hands of US military action.  Am I missing your point or do you really not know how many people are shot in America every day?

it's neither a strawman nor a diversion.  i'd like someone to rationally explain to me why you're hellbent on starting your campaign to end death in the world by outlawing gun ownership rather than something that causes far more deaths, like vehicles, or something that has no downside, like not spending millions of dollars to fly robots over foreign countries dropping bombs on them.  there's low hanging fruit and big giant fruit all around, but you and sd are lasered in on the crabapple in the middle of the tree.

I'm not hell bent on starting a campaign to end death, I'm hell bent on starting a campaign to end gun deaths.  Gun deaths are the most savage, cowardly and preventable deaths that there are.  One of the many reasons that the car argument is a bad one is because legally operating a motor vehicle is more legislated and restricted than owning a gun.  Before you can drive a car off a lot you have to possess and show proof of a license and insurance.  You have to register your motor vehicle every year and in many states have that motor vehicle inspected.  Another flaw in the car argument is that when you get into a car and/or put your children into a car you assume all risks associated with being in that motor vehicle.  You assume the same risk if you take public transportation, or riding a bike, or even walking. 

When you drop your kids off at school, or go to work, or go to the store you aren't assuming the risk of having your face blown off by an idiot with a gun.  We' re getting to that point all in the name of personal liberty.  People should have the liberty to carry whatever weaponry they want at the expense of other people's personal liberty of the state of mind of being able to go to worship without being gunned down.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2012, 10:10:16 AM
Its certainly not feasible for the country and its citizens, crazy or hobbiest to just give up their guns. 

It absolutely is. Would it be hard? Yes. Would it be worth it? Yes. It's not like we would be the first western nation to do so.

I think it would be worth it. I think there is absolutely no way to pass the legislation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 10:10:53 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-to-talk-about-gun-control/2012/12/14/c8b29a46-4624-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

http://www.montrosepress.com/opinion/letters/fix-the-second-amendment-now/article_9e09d7c8-459d-11e2-975e-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/what-obama-must-do-about-guns.html#ixzz2F4e0gGqJ

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/opinion/martin-gun-control/?hpt=hp_bn7

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/14/if-todays-shooting-wont-prompt-action-then-nothing-will/

Gun bans, reform, etc. is going to be pushed hard.  Citizens will become more divided.  This sucks for all of us.


The machine is already churning.

the citizens aren't going to be more divided, everyone has an opinion on this matter and yesterday didn't change that for many.  Fact is that most Americans favor restricting the manufacture, sale, and ownership of firearms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 10:14:18 AM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.

eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.

STFU you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

You know, maybe people who were carrying legally could stand a chance at stopping these events if...you know...they took place in areas where people could carry legally....you know...like not a school. Idiot.

ha ha ha ha, the best example you could find is something that happened in a war zone five years ago.  Even people who are on your side will concede that this doesn't advance your argument like at all.  LOL I win, keep sitting this out dumb ass
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

lol, tough break there SODJ.  I made the same mistake, luckily for me I wasn't the fifth person in the same thread to make the same mistake. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 10:18:21 AM
Right or wrong, SD's posted similar gun control talking points for years. 

Did I just hear all the guns were purchased by Lanza's mom?  wtf was an elementary school para doing with an assault rifle and two handguns that her son with a history of mental illness had access to?   :eek:  That's just a bombardment of wtf's.

Obviously Steve has had a tragic past that have involved guns. I can say if something had happened to a loved one by a gun I may not have similar feelings.

I'm taking the lack of confirmation as confirmation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 10:37:04 AM
The BBC is reporting the killer was mentally handicapped.

Wondering what the groups thoughts are on removing all MH folks from society and institutionalizing and/or executing them?  This would make sure the small percent of criminally deranged MH'ers don't do something like this ever again. Plus, if you're gonna get this done, now is the perfect time to capitalize.

Ya know, while we're forfeiting the personal liberty of 317 million people based on the actions of 1. . .
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 10:41:26 AM
Yeah, mentally handicapped people are one of the classes of people that shouldn't have guns, along with 99% of all other people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 10:44:23 AM
Yeah, mentally handicapped people are one of the classes of people that shouldn't have guns, along with 99% of all other people.

Agreed, and appendages.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 10:46:30 AM
Just guns, appendages serve a useful purpose
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
Oh man, the Predator drone argument is one I didn't expect.  Classic
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 10:51:01 AM
Wondering what the groups thoughts are on removing all MH folks from society and institutionalizing and/or executing them? ...
I'd be against that, i think.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 10:53:18 AM
A gun is one of many things people can use, other than for its intended purpose, to harm people.  The premise that a guns sole purpose is to kill people is intellectually dishonest.

Who the eff are any of you to decide what someone "needs"?  A persons right to protect himself is the most fundamental component to liberty and a free people. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 10:56:52 AM
You don't need a gun FSD
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 10:59:50 AM
Hey Doris, the Nazis are coming to kill us.  Get the gun.

Clyde, guns were outlawed after that psychopathic Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) killed all those innocent school children.

crap! Well how did the Nazis get there guns? Don't they know the rules?

Damnit, I knew we should have uninvented guns instead of banning them.  Oh well, as a law abiding citizen, I felt society was better off if I forfeited my rights and the rights of millions to immaterially reduce the chance that another psychotard would kill kids again.  It was the rationale thing to do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 11:02:03 AM
A nazi invasion?  Gtfo of this thread
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 11:02:43 AM
You don't need that right anymore. People have proven they can't handle or control it properly and it no longer serves a purpose outside of making those with no power feel powerful which should be found somewhere else anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
You don't need a gun FSD

You don't need Internet or a house or a car.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 11:03:40 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-to-talk-about-gun-control/2012/12/14/c8b29a46-4624-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

http://www.montrosepress.com/opinion/letters/fix-the-second-amendment-now/article_9e09d7c8-459d-11e2-975e-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/what-obama-must-do-about-guns.html#ixzz2F4e0gGqJ

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/opinion/martin-gun-control/?hpt=hp_bn7

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/14/if-todays-shooting-wont-prompt-action-then-nothing-will/

Gun bans, reform, etc. is going to be pushed hard.  Citizens will become more divided.  This sucks for all of us.


The machine is already churning.

the citizens aren't going to be more divided, everyone has an opinion on this matter and yesterday didn't change that for many.  Fact is that most Americans favor restricting the manufacture, sale, and ownership of firearms.

Divide and Conquer.

"The Pew Research Center has been tracking attitudes about gun control for nearly 20 years. Our question asks whether it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, or to control gun ownership.

Our most recent survey on the issue, conducted July 26-29, 2012, shortly after a gunman killed 12 people at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, found that 47% said it was more important to control gun ownership, while 46% said it was more important to protect the rights of Americans to own guns. Opinions were largely unchanged from April 2012, when 45% prioritized gun control and 49% gun rights."

"The partisan gap in attitudes about gun control has widened considerably in recent years. In July, following the shootings in Colorado, 71% of Republicans said it was more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns while just 26% said it was more important to control gun ownership. Among Democrats, opinion was roughly the reverse: 72% said it was more important to control gun ownership while 21% prioritized gun rights. Independents were divided:50% said it was more important to protect gun rights; 43% said gun control was more important.

In 1993, fewer than half of Republicans (45%) prioritized gun rights over gun control. Democrats’ views over the past two decades, by contrast, have changed very little. In 1993, just 25% said protecting gun rights was more important than gun control. (For more on changing views about gun control among partisan and demographic groups, see “More Support for Gun Rights, Gay Marriage than in 2008, 2004,” April 25, 2012.)"

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/12/12-14-1.png)



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2012, 11:03:50 AM
A gun is one of many things people can use, other than for its intended purpose, to harm people.  The premise that a guns sole purpose is to kill people is intellectually dishonest.

Who the eff are any of you to decide what someone "needs"?  A persons right to protect himself is the most fundamental component to liberty and a free people. 

If you think a gun is the most important component to liberty and a free people you have mumped up values and are paranoid.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 11:03:58 AM
You don't need a gun FSD

You don't need Internet or a house or a car.

Those all serve a useful purpose. Guns do not. Even you know that argument is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 11:05:44 AM
You don't need that right anymore. People have proven they can't handle or control it properly and it no longer serves a purpose outside of making those with no power feel powerful which should be found somewhere else anyway.

You don't need that right anymore. . .

Holy crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 11:08:35 AM
A gun is one of many things people can use, other than for its intended purpose, to harm people.  The premise that a guns sole purpose is to kill people is intellectually dishonest.

Who the eff are any of you to decide what someone "needs"?  A persons right to protect himself is the most fundamental component to liberty and a free people. 

If you think a gun is the most important component to liberty and a free people you have mumped up values and are paranoid.

You're a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) if you think that's what I said.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2012, 11:10:57 AM
If that isn't what you said then your point is irrelevant since people can protect themselves without guns.  I feel like the addition of FSD is going to really get this thread pit worthy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 11:13:18 AM
You don't need a gun FSD

You don't need Internet or a house or a car.

Those all serve a useful purpose. Guns do not. Even you know that argument is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not if used for malintent. Internet caused that gay kid to jump off a bridge. John Robinson used his house to dale and torture 20+ women, drunks kill thousands of people a year with there cars.

A gun, sitting on a table can't hurt anyone. A person has to pick it up, point it at someone and shoot it to harm.

Alcohol has no usefulnpurpose and cause far more death than guns. Bring back prohibition you nuts.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
You don't need a gun FSD

You don't need Internet or a house or a car.

Those all serve a useful purpose. Guns do not. Even you know that argument is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not if used for malintent. Internet caused that gay kid to jump off a bridge. John Robinson used his house to dale and torture 20+ women, drunks kill thousands of people a year with there cars.

A gun, sitting on a table can't hurt anyone. A person has to pick it up, point it at someone and shoot it to harm.

Alcohol has no usefulnpurpose and cause far more death than guns. Bring back prohibition you nuts.

I don't even agree with SD, but that is a weak argument.  Alcohol doesn't drink itself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 11:21:31 AM
I guess I just don't know what the useful purpose of a gun is. More specifically, I don't know what the useful purpose of a gun that causes "instantaneous death" (well said, whoever it was) is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 11:25:40 AM
Who should have guns?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 11:26:28 AM
Who should have guns?
Police men.  The military. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 11:27:02 AM
I guess I just don't know what the useful purpose of a gun is. More specifically, I don't know what the useful purpose of a gun that causes "instantaneous death" (well said, whoever it was) is.

I think with there being about 90 guns for every 100 citizens, the useful purpose of a gun is to provide safety from everybody else.   :dunno:

Who should have guns?
Police men.  The military. 

Because those guys never lose it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 11:30:54 AM
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Police men.  The military. 

Because those guys never lose it.

no, they do. but they are the only people that can actually utilize guns for a beneficial purpose. you have to weigh the benefit to society and make the choice that provides the greatest benefit and least detriment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 11:32:19 AM
Who should have guns?
Police men.  The military.

Angry, powerless little people who want to feel powerful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 11:32:41 AM
Because those guys never lose it.
When was the last time a police man went on a 10+ person suicide mission while he was on duty?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 11:35:23 AM
The straw men are taking a beating
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 11:36:44 AM
Because those guys never lose it.
When was the last time a police man went on a 10+ person suicide mission while he was on duty?

They have off duty weapons, and a year or so ago in Omaha a kid killed the principal with his father's off duty gun.

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Police men.  The military. 

Because those guys never lose it.

no, they do. but they are the only people that can actually utilize guns for a beneficial purpose. you have to weigh the benefit to society and make the choice that provides the greatest benefit and least detriment.

I see your point, but for me personally, my father was killed in a mass murder suicide by a member of the armed forces who took his weapons from the armory.  I personally want to be able to defend myself.

And are you wanting to ban handguns altogether or just new sales?  How will you get the millions of handguns already out there?  And while I wait for you to collect them, or for them to be weeded out, I and the rest of the citizenry should just be lambs to all the people who don't give them up?  We should hope the police can read the precogs and get there in time?  It all just doesn't seem grounded in reality. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 11:38:02 AM
The straw men are taking a beating
Some one asked who should have guns.  I answered that the people whose job it is to protect the general public should have guns.  Doesn't seem at all controversial to me.

Because those guys never lose it.
When was the last time a police man went on a 10+ person suicide mission while he was on duty?
They have off duty weapons, and a year or so ago in Omaha a kid killed the principal with his father's off duty gun.

...And are you wanting to ban handguns altogether or just new sales?
Maybe they shouldn't have off duty weapons. 

And I'm advocating for the prohibition of bullets as we know them, and advocate producing bullets that don't immediately kill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 11:44:04 AM
I see your point, but for me personally, my father was killed in a mass murder suicide by a member of the armed forces who took his weapons from the armory.  I personally want to be able to defend myself.

And are you wanting to ban handguns altogether or just new sales?  How will you get the millions of handguns already out there?  And while I wait for you to collect them, or for them to be weeded out, I and the rest of the citizenry should just be lambs to all the people who don't give them up?  We should hope the police can read the precogs and get there in time?  It all just doesn't seem grounded in reality.

that's awful and I feel really bad for you because nobody should have to have that happen to them. it will be nearly impossible to end all gun violence. there will be those that get access to guns even with the strictest controls. but, just because it would be nearly impossible to end all gun violence doesn't mean we shouldn't do absolutely everything we can to diminish as much gun violence as possible. and I do think banning all handguns outside of military and some police use is the best option. I realize that won't be done soon, but I think it should be the ultimate goal. I would go as far as making it all guns, not just handguns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2012, 11:46:27 AM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

yeah, you should probably be on the initial cut list for gun ownership.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 15, 2012, 11:47:24 AM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

Never the intent of the second amendment, dumbf*ck
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

I mean, this just has that mass shooting at the capital building feel to it and I think you should probably get some help
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 11:51:37 AM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

I mean, this just has that mass shooting at the capital building feel to it and I think you should probably get some help

I read JohnTMHTD's post as criticizing conspiracy theorists and gun nuts.  Note the word perceived. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 11:56:56 AM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

Never the intent of the second amendment, dumbf*ck

Kind of is actually.  In fact the original intent of the second amendment wasn't only that citizens, individually or collectively, should have the right to be armed, but that their level of armament should allow them a defense equal to that of the government. 

Keep in mind that I do not now, and have never owned a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
I see your point, but for me personally, my father was killed in a mass murder suicide by a member of the armed forces who took his weapons from the armory.  I personally want to be able to defend myself.

And are you wanting to ban handguns altogether or just new sales?  How will you get the millions of handguns already out there?  And while I wait for you to collect them, or for them to be weeded out, I and the rest of the citizenry should just be lambs to all the people who don't give them up?  We should hope the police can read the precogs and get there in time?  It all just doesn't seem grounded in reality.

that's awful and I feel really bad for you because nobody should have to have that happen to them. it will be nearly impossible to end all gun violence. there will be those that get access to guns even with the strictest controls. but, just because it would be nearly impossible to end all gun violence doesn't mean we shouldn't do absolutely everything we can to diminish as much gun violence as possible. and I do think banning all handguns outside of military and some police use is the best option. I realize that won't be done soon, but I think it should be the ultimate goal. I would go as far as making it all guns, not just handguns.
 

I agree that the ideal is no access to guns, but while everybody else gets one, I want them too.  Because I don't want my wife to live through what my mother had to. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 11:59:52 AM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

Never the intent of the second amendment, dumbf*ck

JFC, don't you guys understand what the word "Perceived" means? I didn't say it was correct perception, but this is what you are up against, and it's getting worse.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:00:29 PM
I see your point, but for me personally, my father was killed in a mass murder suicide by a member of the armed forces who took his weapons from the armory.  I personally want to be able to defend myself.

And are you wanting to ban handguns altogether or just new sales?  How will you get the millions of handguns already out there?  And while I wait for you to collect them, or for them to be weeded out, I and the rest of the citizenry should just be lambs to all the people who don't give them up?  We should hope the police can read the precogs and get there in time?  It all just doesn't seem grounded in reality.

that's awful and I feel really bad for you because nobody should have to have that happen to them. it will be nearly impossible to end all gun violence. there will be those that get access to guns even with the strictest controls. but, just because it would be nearly impossible to end all gun violence doesn't mean we shouldn't do absolutely everything we can to diminish as much gun violence as possible. and I do think banning all handguns outside of military and some police use is the best option. I realize that won't be done soon, but I think it should be the ultimate goal. I would go as far as making it all guns, not just handguns.
 

I agree that the ideal is no access to guns, but while everybody else gets one, I want them too.  Because I don't want my wife to live through what my mother had to.

the odds of that happening are much higher with everyone having easy access to guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Because those guys never lose it.
When was the last time a police man went on a 10+ person suicide mission while he was on duty?

They have off duty weapons, and a year or so ago in Omaha a kid killed the principal with his father's off duty gun.


Yes, another sound argument for less guns around.  GJ doom!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:02:31 PM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could.

Lol.  No.  You really don't understand what our military is capable of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 12:05:06 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:07:27 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:08:22 PM
Go try and buy 1000 lbs of fertilizer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 12:08:36 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
I hate when people pretend there aren't two sides to an argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

It's pretty relevant. Tim Mcveigh probably killed more people than all mass shootings combined since Columbine. We really need to focus on banning fertilizer here, people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:13:36 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

It's pretty relevant. Tim Mcveigh probably killed more people than all mass shootings combined since Columbine. We really need to focus on banning fertilizer here, people

Not relevant but it is also regulated.  So you just conceded we need to regulate guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

But see, he thinks you're the stupid one for not thinking it's relevant. You need to consider others views and not simply dismiss them with insults. Remember, it's possible that you're wrong.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could.

Lol.  No.  You really don't understand what our military is capable of.

What is the point of saying this?  That because the US military is so powerful and capable of destroying our citizenry through lethal force that it is best to just accept it and docilely do as instructed?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:15:43 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

It's pretty relevant. Tim Mcveigh probably killed more people than all mass shootings combined since Columbine. We really need to focus on banning fertilizer here, people

Not relevant but it is also regulated.  So you just conceded we need to regulate guns.

lol no. I have a feeling getting 1000 lbs of fertilizer wouldn't be that difficult
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:16:06 PM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could.

Lol.  No.  You really don't understand what our military is capable of.

What is the point of saying this?  That because the US military is so powerful and capable of destroying our citizenry through lethal force that it is best to just accept it and docilely do as instructed?

The point is you don't need to be armed to protect yourself from the govt.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 12:16:25 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

It's pretty relevant. Tim Mcveigh probably killed more people than all mass shootings combined since Columbine. We really need to focus on banning fertilizer here, people

Not relevant but it is also regulated.  So you just conceded we need to regulate guns.

Could you enlighten us on the fertilizer regulations and then compare it to firearms, which I assume are also regulated.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:17:32 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.


It's pretty relevant. Tim Mcveigh probably killed more people than all mass shootings combined since Columbine. We really need to focus on banning fertilizer here, people

Not relevant but it is also regulated.  So you just conceded we need to regulate guns.

lol no. I have a feeling getting 1000 lbs of fertilizer wouldn't be that difficult

So you are ignorant of the law.  That's fine
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:17:50 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?

You're not going to get guns out of the hands of "bad guys" whom ever the eff they are until the "good guys" are willing to give them up. 

If there was a gun ban the people targeted most strongly would be the same people who are the first disenfranchise by most laws.  Joe the Plumber in Berea, OH with a .22 under his mattress would have hardly anything to worry about.  These (you) people don't understand that gun laws would effect the "bad guys" first.

When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 12:18:44 PM
how paranoid, naive, and batshit delusional do you have to be to go buy a gun to protect yourself from the damn US military?

they have planes that can drop bombs on stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could.

Lol.  No.  You really don't understand what our military is capable of.

What is the point of saying this?  That because the US military is so powerful and capable of destroying our citizenry through lethal force that it is best to just accept it and docilely do as instructed?

The point is you don't need to be armed to protect yourself from the govt.

Is that because the government does not and will not facilitate a need for armed defense, or is it because resistance is futile?  It could be a combination of the two, I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:21:13 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

But see, he thinks you're the stupid one for not thinking it's relevant. You need to consider others views and not simply dismiss them with insults. Remember, it's possible that you're wrong.

I'm wrong in stating that fertilizer doesn't have crap to do with guns?  They're two completely separate arguments, that's fact.  You want to talk about how much cow crap you should be able to buy, fine do that, I'm going to keep talking about guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 15, 2012, 12:23:23 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:23:42 PM
When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

My parents had their car stolen out of the garage. If those dudes came into our home I sure would have liked to have a gun. But you want to take that right away from me. Guy could have came in and murdered us all if he wanted

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
how paranoid, naive, and batshit delusional do you have to be to go buy a gun to protect yourself from the damn US military?

they have planes that can drop bombs on stuff.

Me and my bros could totally take them though if we had enough guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 12:25:11 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.
Do you think gun violence in 2012 is as novel an issue as planes ramming into buildings was in 2001?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

But see, he thinks you're the stupid one for not thinking it's relevant. You need to consider others views and not simply dismiss them with insults. Remember, it's possible that you're wrong.

I'm wrong in stating that fertilizer doesn't have crap to do with guns? 

I'd like you to at least consider the possibility.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 12:25:36 PM
how paranoid, naive, and batshit delusional do you have to be to go buy a gun to protect yourself from the damn US military?

they have planes that can drop bombs on stuff.

Me and my bros could totally take them though if we had enough guns.
WOLVERINES!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:26:06 PM
When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

My parents had their car stolen out of the garage. If those dudes came into our home I sure would have liked to have a gun. But you want to take that right away from me. Guy could have came in and murdered us all if he wanted

like you really don't understand logic

If your parents weren't legally posessing a gun the guys wouldn't have had a gun to steal.  Are you intentionally making the argument for me?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
what is the likelihood of being killed in a mass shooting?  probably about the same as winning the lottery
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 12:28:15 PM
how paranoid, naive, and batshit delusional do you have to be to go buy a gun to protect yourself from the damn US military?

they have planes that can drop bombs on stuff.

Me and my bros could totally take them though if we had enough guns.
WOLVERINES!

Resistance is futile!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2012, 12:28:48 PM
how paranoid, naive, and batshit delusional do you have to be to go buy a gun to protect yourself from the damn US military?

they have planes that can drop bombs on stuff.

Should some type of government suppression be attempted, most people will need to protect their families from other citizens, not the military.

Also, I see the US military turning on the government before they turn on the citizens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 15, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

My parents had their car stolen out of the garage. If those dudes came into our home I sure would have liked to have a gun. But you want to take that right away from me. Guy could have came in and murdered us all if he wanted

like you really don't understand logic

If your parents weren't legally posessing a gun the guys wouldn't have had a gun to steal.  Are you intentionally making the argument for me?
this makes no sense. A guy stole our car. If he wanted to come into our home and kill us he could have. I'm not better off with no gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion.  Is your number 50,000,000?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 15, 2012, 12:30:44 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.
Do you think gun violence in 2012 is as novel an issue as planes ramming into buildings was in 2001?

No I don't.  Yesterday was awful, and I have no good solution to prevent this from happening again.  However, if the government decides to take action, my hope is that they do so carefully and with caution.  The Patriot Act was reckless governing. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 15, 2012, 12:32:07 PM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

Never the intent of the second amendment, dumbf*ck

Kind of is actually.  In fact the original intent of the second amendment wasn't only that citizens, individually or collectively, should have the right to be armed, but that their level of armament should allow them a defense equal to that of the government. 

Keep in mind that I do not now, and have never owned a gun.

A) The second amendment was not about the citizenry protecting itself from its own government. Why would the framers of the constitution want to arm insurrectionists? "Here's the right to liquidate us if we are ever bad"
B) The individuals right to gun ownership was dependent upon their involvement in a well-regulated (see: state) militia. There is no individual right to gun ownership by itself, unless you're Scalia.
C) Where does it say that citizens should have arms equal to the government? Like, anywhere in the history of time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 15, 2012, 12:33:16 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

This.

If you guys still care a month from today, I will listen to you. 

If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion.  Is your number 50,000,000?

Chicago has some strict gun laws too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 15, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion.  Is your number 50,000,000?

If I believed a new law banning guns would end violence I would support it 100%. 

I will continue to lurk this thread, but I think I am not going to jump in the convo anymore.

As I said yesterday, I appreciate the desire you all have to prevent violence. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
we need to ban fertilizer too. Remember that one physco that killed people with a fertilizer bomb? People just can't handle fertilizer any more. Only policemen and the army should have fertilizer

The problem with this conversation are many are too stupid to have it intelligently.  Not only has this exact talking point been used about 5 times in this thread but it is a talking point completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.

There isn't a conversation to be had to outlaw every single way to kill someone, we are talking about gun violence only.  If you can't discuss that shut the eff up.

But see, he thinks you're the stupid one for not thinking it's relevant. You need to consider others views and not simply dismiss them with insults. Remember, it's possible that you're wrong.

I'm wrong in stating that fertilizer doesn't have crap to do with guns? 

I'd like you to at least consider the possibility.

No its a straw man and a non starter.

Saying we should ban fertilizer because it can also be used to kill people is exactly like me saying we should ban guns because in some places they have banned pit bulls because they have killed people.  Both are ridiculous arguments neither have anything to do with gun violence and have no place in a real conversation about guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 12:34:47 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:35:03 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?

When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

Actually in 2008 67% of murderers had a prior felony conviction.

Hope this isn't a strawman.   :ohno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:38:33 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion.  Is your number 50,000,000?

If I believed a new law banning guns would end violence I would support it 100%. 

I will continue to lurk this thread, but I think I am not going to jump in the convo anymore.

As I said yesterday, I appreciate the desire you all have to prevent violence.

you don't understand the conversation here or you're intentionally derailing it like the other gun nuts. 

1. No one is attempting to outlaw violence, it is human nature, it is the nature of most living beings.  The conversation is simply about making it more difficult to take the lives of others.  No one believes violence is going to be stopped.

2.  There are other things used to perpetuate violence that are highly illegal, they weren't made illegal with the guise of ending all violence.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 12:39:43 PM
lol at the fertilizer talking point being rolled out into the thread again.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
if anything, gun laws are too strict.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?

When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

Actually in 2008 67% of murderers had a prior felony conviction.

Hope this isn't a strawman.   :ohno:

Now tell me what percent of those murders were random murders perpetrated on the unsuspecting victim that fits the profile of the average NRA member?  The people shouting the loudest have the least to worry about and would be the last ones to have their guns taken if a ban on non-sporting weapons were enacted.

stats are fun, let's keep playing with them
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
lol at the fertilizer talking point being rolled out into the thread again.

It's really astounding.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
Are those against the further restriction of guns/ammunition of the belief that there is no problem with gun violence in America?  And if you are not, what solutions (aside from vague suggestions of "it starts with parenting") do you offer to remedy the problem?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
Are those against the further restriction of guns/ammunition of the belief that there is no problem with gun violence in America?  And if you are not, what solutions (aside from vague suggestions of "it starts with parenting") do you offer to remedy the problem?

i don't care about gun violence so i don't feel a need to remedy the problem.  i think i speak for almost everyone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Are those against the further restriction of guns/ammunition of the belief that there is no problem with gun violence in America?  And if you are not, what solutions (aside from vague suggestions of "it starts with parenting") do you offer to remedy the problem?

i don't care about gun violence so i don't feel a need to remedy the problem.  i think i speak for almost everyone.

clearly gun owners care about gun violence, which is hilarious on many levels
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
Are those against the further restriction of guns/ammunition of the belief that there is no problem with gun violence in America?  And if you are not, what solutions (aside from vague suggestions of "it starts with parenting") do you offer to remedy the problem?

i don't care about gun violence so i don't feel a need to remedy the problem.  i think i speak for almost everyone.

So this thread really isn't for you then.  Thanks for stopping by.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?

When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

Actually in 2008 67% of murderers had a prior felony conviction.

Hope this isn't a strawman.   :ohno:

Now tell me what percent of those murders were random murders perpetrated on the unsuspecting victim that fits the profile of the average NRA member?  The people shouting the loudest have the least to worry about and would be the last ones to have their guns taken if a ban on non-sporting weapons were enacted.

stats are fun, let's keep playing with them

You keep talking about "taking" guns. How on earth is the government going to do that? Ask? Search people's homes? Check the records and arrest people if they don't give it up? I mean get real. That is never ever going to happen. Ever. So why even talk about it? It's not going to happen. Never.*

The only relevant discussion would be how to make it harder to buy guns in the future.


*There is a very small chance I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 12:58:23 PM
You keep talking about "taking" guns. How on earth is the government going to do that? Ask? Search people's homes? Check the records and arrest people if they don't give it up? I mean get real. That is never ever going to happen. Ever. So why even talk about it? It's not going to happen. Never.*




*There is a very small chance I'm wrong.
I agree with this

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The only relevant discussion would be how to make it harder to buy guns in the future.

But not with this.  Ammunition could (in theory) be highly regulated to make existing guns safer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 15, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
LOL at anyone who thinks banning guns will significantly reduce gun violence in the United States. 

Also, the point of having a gun to protect oneself in case of a meltdown of the government structure in the United States is absolutely valid and significant.   Nearly every, if not all countries in the world have had cycles of significant civil unrest/wars.   As the United States have proven elsewhere many times, it literally takes very, very little to turn a nation on itself.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 01:04:10 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?

When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

Actually in 2008 67% of murderers had a prior felony conviction.

Hope this isn't a strawman.   :ohno:

Now tell me what percent of those murders were random murders perpetrated on the unsuspecting victim that fits the profile of the average NRA member?  The people shouting the loudest have the least to worry about and would be the last ones to have their guns taken if a ban on non-sporting weapons were enacted.

stats are fun, let's keep playing with them

You keep talking about "taking" guns. How on earth is the government going to do that? Ask? Search people's homes? Check the records and arrest people if they don't give it up? I mean get real. That is never ever going to happen. Ever. So why even talk about it? It's not going to happen. Never.*

The only relevant discussion would be how to make it harder to buy guns in the future.


*There is a very small chance I'm wrong.

I'd start by asking the UK and Australia how they did it.

I'd assume it would work the same way a war on drugs would.  There's lots and lots of drugs in the country.  If I decided to smoke crack in a community center in Sedgwick County I would go to prison, but I can legally carry a gun into the same community center, its weird.

Instead of a war on drugs we should have a war on guns.  The effect would be the same.  The jails would be filled with black people and the privileged class can feel free to have their guns without little threat of retribution.  And at the same time regular people wouldn't feel so free to sling their guns around like their life is an episode of GTA.

As stupid as a war on drugs is if we treated drugs like we did guns, we wouldn't be able to do anything anywhere without dealing with some shermed out loser.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 01:09:20 PM
LOL at anyone who thinks banning guns will significantly reduce gun violence in the United States. 

Also, the point of having a gun to protect oneself in case of a meltdown of the government structure in the United States is absolutely valid and significant.   Nearly every, if not all countries in the world have had cycles of significant civil unrest/wars.   As the United States have proven elsewhere many times, it literally takes very, very little to turn a nation on itself.

You really believe its going Mad Max in this country during your lifetime, don't you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 01:12:00 PM
Of course banning guns will reduce GUN VIOLENCE. I am willing to listen to arguments that banning guns will cause an increase in TOTAL VIOLENCE.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 01:14:49 PM
There have been "gun amnesty" events here in America before
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
Doom, am I correct in believing that your rationale for gun ownership is something to the effect of:

Though a gunless world is preferred, it is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  That being the case, it is logical that in a world where guns exist that those who would be most likely to procure them would be individuals or groups with ill-intentions.  As such, it is necessary for others to arm themselves in response to that threat?

This is everyone's rationale for non-sporting gun ownership, there isn't another rationale to be had.  It's astonishing that people don't see the obvious logic flaw.

What is the logic flaw?

When will gun people stop being afraid of a n-word coming into their window at night and realize a bigger threat to safety are the people who fit the profile of legal gun owners.

Actually in 2008 67% of murderers had a prior felony conviction.

Hope this isn't a strawman.   :ohno:

Now tell me what percent of those murders were random murders perpetrated on the unsuspecting victim that fits the profile of the average NRA member?  The people shouting the loudest have the least to worry about and would be the last ones to have their guns taken if a ban on non-sporting weapons were enacted.

stats are fun, let's keep playing with them

You keep talking about "taking" guns. How on earth is the government going to do that? Ask? Search people's homes? Check the records and arrest people if they don't give it up? I mean get real. That is never ever going to happen. Ever. So why even talk about it? It's not going to happen. Never.*

The only relevant discussion would be how to make it harder to buy guns in the future.


*There is a very small chance I'm wrong.

I'd start by asking the UK and Australia how they did it.

I'd assume it would work the same way a war on drugs would.  There's lots and lots of drugs in the country.  If I decided to smoke crack in a community center in Sedgwick County I would go to prison, but I can legally carry a gun into the same community center, its weird.

Instead of a war on drugs we should have a war on guns.  The effect would be the same.  The jails would be filled with black people and the privileged class can feel free to have their guns without little threat of retribution.  And at the same time regular people wouldn't feel so free to sling their guns around like their life is an episode of GTA.

As stupid as a war on drugs is if we treated drugs like we did guns, we wouldn't be able to do anything anywhere without dealing with some shermed out loser.

It wouldn't be at all like a war on drugs.  But you know that already.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 15, 2012, 01:30:38 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
Of course banning guns will reduce GUN VIOLENCE. I am willing to listen to arguments that banning guns will cause an increase in TOTAL VIOLENCE.

Perhaps that would be better suited for another thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 01:35:40 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

Why does Africa need us to make them DDT?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 15, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
I'd start by asking the UK and Australia how they did it.

Guns aren't banned in either of those places.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 01:40:26 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

Hey look someone else who can't debate the topic at hand so they employ the two wrongs make a right argument.  Start a thread about malaria, I'll start talking about heart disease, pediatric aids, or some other crap
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 01:40:45 PM
Of course banning guns will reduce GUN VIOLENCE. I am willing to listen to arguments that banning guns will cause an increase in TOTAL VIOLENCE.

Perhaps that would be better suited for another thread.
Violent crime in the UK: Includes all violence against the person, sexual offences, and robbery as violent crime
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Violent-crime-rates-UK-1981-to-2007.png)

Handguns were banned and other strict gun control measures were enacted in 1997.  Correlation doesn't necessitate causation, but it is certainly interesting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
Banning handguns seems to have worked to lower violence
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Also, we were having this same discussion 4 months ago, with the same people making the same points.  Nothing is changing so I don't know why we bother.  :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 15, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

Why does Africa need us to make them DDT?

I have no idea, but the libs have banned it's use and production in the US and severely restricted it's use worldwide, all in the name of some species none of us would even know were gone if they went extinct tomorrow.  We could virtually end malaria within a few years if we wanted to, but apparently African lives are worth 1/1000000th of Connecticut lives.  If that's not the case, explain the media sensation 26 deaths have caused compared to the 2000+ malaria deaths that occur every day?

Why not return to prohibition?  Alcohol related deaths are FAR more prevalent than gun related deaths, and alcohol serves no useful purpose.  You ok with that, or are you going to adhere to the usual double standard?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
I'd start by asking the UK and Australia how they did it.

Guns aren't banned in either of those places.

heavily restricted, which is a great starting place for us

also I've said non-sporting about a dozen times, its been established that's what we're discussing here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Barry McCockner on December 15, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

Hey look someone else who can't debate the topic at hand so they employ the two wrongs make a right argument.  Start a thread about malaria, I'll start talking about heart disease, pediatric aids, or some other crap

Just pointing out the usual liberal double standard, which you fell nicely in to.  Thanks for your cooperation.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

While the use of ddt to fight malaria is definitely an interesting debate, it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you think the many negative side effects of ddt use are comparable to the negative effects of gun control. You don't think that, do you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 01:49:52 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

Hey look someone else who can't debate the topic at hand so they employ the two wrongs make a right argument.  Start a thread about malaria, I'll start talking about heart disease, pediatric aids, or some other crap

Just pointing out the usual liberal double standard, which you fell nicely in to.  Thanks for your cooperation.

I didn't fall into any double standard.  Also how do you not understand that this isn't a liberal/conservative conversation?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 01:54:20 PM
Banning handguns seems to have worked to lower violence

never took a stats class?  that's ok, lawyers aren't expected to understand data.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 01:54:49 PM
As the government grows, so does the citizen's perceived need to protect themselves from it.

Never the intent of the second amendment, dumbf*ck

Kind of is actually.  In fact the original intent of the second amendment wasn't only that citizens, individually or collectively, should have the right to be armed, but that their level of armament should allow them a defense equal to that of the government. 

Keep in mind that I do not now, and have never owned a gun.

A) The second amendment was not about the citizenry protecting itself from its own government. Why would the framers of the constitution want to arm insurrectionists? "Here's the right to liquidate us if we are ever bad"
B) The individuals right to gun ownership was dependent upon their involvement in a well-regulated (see: state) militia. There is no individual right to gun ownership by itself, unless you're Scalia.
C) Where does it say that citizens should have arms equal to the government? Like, anywhere in the history of time.

It starts in the history of England, especially their civil wars, the Catholic v. Protestant conflicts of the 17th century., and the development of militias, standing armies, and disarmament of citizens.  It was further advocated by William Blackstone in "Commentaries," and echoed by a movement within England known as republicans.  It was chronicled thoroughly during the drafting and ratification of the constitution. Basically an armed populous is a nation with a poopular governments best defense against enemies foreign and domestic.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 01:55:14 PM
Sys is the only reason I'm following this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 01:55:36 PM
I think topeka would yield some pretty shocking per capita stats for someone's argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 01:56:03 PM
If the Patriot Act taught us anything, its that responding rapidly with new laws, because of emotion, is not a smart way to govern.

Yes gun violence is completely isolated and brand new.  In Chicago last year 700 people were killed by guns.  That's 700 in one US city.  I'd certainly love to know how many more hundreds of thousands have to die before it stops being a rapid response based on emotion. Is your number 50,000,000?

mine is pretty high.

If you're a liberal, that number is apparently in the billions when it comes to producing and shipping DDT to Africa where almost a million people, 90% under 5 years old, die of malaria every year.  When it comes to banning guns, that number is about 20.

Why does Africa need us to make them DDT?

I have no idea, but the libs have banned it's use and production in the US and severely restricted it's use worldwide, all in the name of some species none of us would even know were gone if they went extinct tomorrow.  We could virtually end malaria within a few years if we wanted to, but apparently African lives are worth 1/1000000th of Connecticut lives.  If that's not the case, explain the media sensation 26 deaths have caused compared to the 2000+ malaria deaths that occur every day?

Why not return to prohibition?  Alcohol related deaths are FAR more prevalent than gun related deaths, and alcohol serves no useful purpose.  You ok with that, or are you going to adhere to the usual double standard?

So the liberals control the production of a chemical in sub Saharan Africa?  You sure about that?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 01:58:08 PM
While the use of ddt to fight malaria is definitely an interesting debate, it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you think the many negative side effects of ddt use are comparable to the negative effects of gun control. You don't think that, do you?

it's amazing how many things are irrelevant to the discussion.  pretty much everything except that no one needs guns and that guns kill people. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 02:00:05 PM
Also, we were having this same discussion 4 months ago, with the same people making the same points.  Nothing is changing so I don't know why we bother.  :cry:

100% correct.  Instead of trying to change minds that wont be changed we need to focus our efforts on finding law makers who have the conviction to actually do something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
this paul moscow guy cannot be serious.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:00:56 PM
Sys is the only reason I'm following this thread.

i'm flattered, but i'm nearly done.  i only kept reading today because of 33.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 02:05:41 PM
While the use of ddt to fight malaria is definitely an interesting debate, it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you think the many negative side effects of ddt use are comparable to the negative effects of gun control. You don't think that, do you?

it's amazing how many things are irrelevant to the discussion.  pretty much everything except that no one needs guns and that guns kill people. 

I think the points you are making regarding taking way a personal/civil liberty are very relevant.

Would you be in favor of reducing gun restrictions? Make it easier to buy a gun, and make it legal for citizens to have fully automatic weapons without restrictions?

Why or why not?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 02:08:13 PM
While the use of ddt to fight malaria is definitely an interesting debate, it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you think the many negative side effects of ddt use are comparable to the negative effects of gun control. You don't think that, do you?

it's amazing how many things are irrelevant to the discussion.  pretty much everything except that no one needs guns and that guns kill people. 

I think the points you are making regarding taking way a personal/civil liberty are very relevant.

Would you be in favor of reducing gun restrictions? Make it easier to buy a gun, and make it legal for citizens to have fully automatic weapons without restrictions?

Why or why not?

Yes, so i could read on the internet (goEMAW) about how upset people are by this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could.

Lol.  No.  You really don't understand what our military is capable of.

What is the point of saying this?  That because the US military is so powerful and capable of destroying our citizenry through lethal force that it is best to just accept it and docilely do as instructed?

The point is you don't need to be armed to protect yourself from the govt.
Democide. Dumbass Clown.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 02:09:50 PM
I think when I have kids I might convert to hardcore homeschooling doomsday prepper. We will run weekly active shooter drills from the time they can walk.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
Sys is the only reason I'm following this thread.

i'm flattered, but i'm nearly done.  i only kept reading today because of 33.

Yes. I guess I spoke carelessly. 33 was also amazing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Yeah, some pud and his glock will stop the gov if they want to suppress them.

No, but millions of puds with glocks, and ar-15's theoretically could.

Lol.  No.  You really don't understand what our military is capable of.

What is the point of saying this?  That because the US military is so powerful and capable of destroying our citizenry through lethal force that it is best to just accept it and docilely do as instructed?

The point is you don't need to be armed to protect yourself from the govt.
Democide. Dumbass Clown.

You wouldn't make the cut either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 02:16:51 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

Do you think this was a false flag attack by the bilderberg group to facilitate a gun ban?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 02:18:40 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

JFC. Who cares?

Fact: if the government or whatever ultrapowerful conspiracy group wants you dead, or tortured or whatever, your AR-15 isn't going to protect you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

JFC. Who cares?

Fact: if the government or whatever ultrapowerful conspiracy group wants you dead, or tortured or whatever, your AR-15 isn't going to protect you.

then what is going to protect kstatefreak42?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 15, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

JFC. Who cares?

Fact: if the government or whatever ultrapowerful conspiracy group wants you dead, or tortured or whatever, your AR-15 isn't going to protect you.

then what is going to protect kstatefreak42?

Chances are good he has a bunker
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:26:32 PM
I am not drinkin the kool aid of tht pot belly paranoid conspiratainment king. Tho i like jones and alot of what he has done..he is way to paranoid for me. He is right about the bilderbergs..and the boheimian grove. and no i do not belive any of these shootings were black ops cia crap. I do belive tho that the bilderbergs r going to seize this as an opportunity to use their fear mongoring propoganda media whore machine to insight fear and concern over guns amongst the zombie hoard. and sadlt...majority of those zombies will willfully give up the 2nd amendment for a little "security". if u give up a liberty for security then you deserve neither. Guns do not kill people. People kill People. Stevedave your a narrow minded zombie and u should be water boarded. BIG facepalm!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

JFC. Who cares?

Fact: if the government or whatever ultrapowerful conspiracy group wants you dead, or tortured or whatever, your AR-15 isn't going to protect you.

Nothing.

then what is going to protect kstatefreak42?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 02:27:29 PM
I am not drinkin the kool aid of tht pot belly paranoid conspiratainment king. Tho i like jones and alot of what he has done..he is way to paranoid for me. He is right about the bilderbergs..and the boheimian grove. and no i do not belive any of these shootings were black ops cia crap. I do belive tho that the bilderbergs r going to seize this as an opportunity to use their fear mongoring propoganda media whore machine to insight fear and concern over guns amongst the zombie hoard. and sadlt...majority of those zombies will willfully give up the 2nd amendment for a little "security". if u give up a liberty for security then you deserve neither. Guns do not kill people. People kill People. Stevedave your a narrow minded zombie and u should be water boarded. BIG facepalm!

Jesus Christ, kstatefreak42 is a Frank sock  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 02:28:29 PM
it sounds like kstatefreak42 is mumped
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 15, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

JFC. Who cares?

Fact: if the government or whatever ultrapowerful conspiracy group wants you dead, or tortured or whatever, your AR-15 isn't going to protect you.

FYI this is true. I mean, if you're scared of niggers in your window or whatever, arm up. Knock yourself out.

But I'll still be able to get you. If I want. :peek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 02:29:38 PM
Bilderberg Group wants your guns. Fact

JFC. Who cares?

Fact: if the government or whatever ultrapowerful conspiracy group wants you dead, or tortured or whatever, your AR-15 isn't going to protect you.

I don't buy into the Bilderberg BS or that type of crap, but the idea that if some group (the GOV and military) is more powerful than you, it is best to just concede, well, I don't but into that either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:30:24 PM
Its about informing the public about the Bilderberg Group and how they r the deciders of american policy. and here we go! mention the bilderberg and the zombies come out!! i love it............who cares??? well i care about my future children..and their children...i want them to have the constitution and bill of rights..i do not want them living in a totalitarian police state. thats just me tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 15, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
Its about informing the public about the Bilderberg Group and how they r the deciders of american policy. and here we go! mention the bilderberg and the zombies come out!! i love it............who cares??? well i care about my future children..and their children...i want them to have the constitution and bill of rights..i do not want them living in a totalitarian police state. thats just me tho

Remember when you would facebook message recruits? I miss that guy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 15, 2012, 02:33:50 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 02:35:25 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

nothing good or bad has happened to anyone i know because of guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:36:35 PM
Its about informing the public about the Bilderberg Group and how they r the deciders of american policy. and here we go! mention the bilderberg and the zombies come out!! i love it............who cares??? well i care about my future children..and their children...i want them to have the constitution and bill of rights..i do not want them living in a totalitarian police state. thats just me tho

Remember when you would facebook message recruits? I miss that guy.
Remember when the elites of the world get together for a not so secret meeting(thanks to alternative media) where they are constructing a one world bank..military.and government. and i still talk to people. i just dont post it here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:39:00 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

it was a great question for about three people.  for everyone else the answer is "shot a deer" and "nothing".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 02:40:23 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

Best:  I go on a hunting trip every year with people our family has been going with for 53 years.  It is a great time, and has fostered long lasting and meaningful friendships.  I enjoy killing pheasant.  This could probably be replaced with another activity though.

Worst:  Friend was help up and robbed at gunpoint
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 02:40:41 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

nothing good or bad has happened to anyone i know because of guns.

This.  not including a relative who was pretty traumatized after serving in the middle east. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
sys is droppin fools left and right!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:42:28 PM
Would you be in favor of reducing gun restrictions? Make it easier to buy a gun, and make it legal for citizens to have fully automatic weapons without restrictions?

Why or why not?

michigancat, i don't really care one way or the other.  but sure, people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm someone else.

i mean, i already said people should be allowed to possess bombs, do you really need to ask about automatic weapons?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 15, 2012, 02:45:03 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

nothing good or bad has happened to anyone i know because of guns.

This.  not including a relative who was pretty traumatized after serving in the middle east.
did ur relative find those weapons of mass destruction they were lookin for??? Oh so tht means he is suffering for what? Corporations.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 15, 2012, 02:46:56 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

it was a great question for about three people.  for everyone else the answer is "shot a deer" and "nothing".

So we all agree that shooting a deer is the best thing anyone here, or anyone known by anyone here, is the best thing that has happened? No one has protected themselves using their gun? I have a friend who was robbed by someone with a gun and a friend's dad who shot himself with a gun. But yeah, "shot a deer" still going strong!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2012, 02:47:38 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

Good - I hit 25 straight clays when I was 13 and got a patch that I still have.

Bad - nothing that I can think of, but I have had 2 good friends die in car accidents.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2012, 02:49:20 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

Best:  I go on a hunting trip every year with people our family has been going with for 53 years.  It is a great time, and has fostered long lasting and meaningful friendships.  I enjoy killing pheasant.  This could probably be replaced with another activity though.

Worst:  Friend was help up and robbed at gunpoint

not feasible or prudent to take your pheasant hunts away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2012, 02:49:40 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

nothing good or bad has happened to anyone i know because of guns.

This.  not including a relative who was pretty traumatized after serving in the middle east.
did ur relative find those weapons of mass destruction they were lookin for??? Oh so tht means he is suffering for what? Corporations.

Don't be an bad person. 

They were there to basically do police work and Iraq and then in Egypt.  Neither of which I agree with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 02:49:49 PM
What happened to people answering SD's question about the best things that have happened to someone you know because of guns, and the worse things? Would love for the "don't change anything about gun laws" people to answer those.

Good - I hit 25 straight clays when I was 13 and got a patch that I still have.

Bad - nothing that I can think of, but I have had 2 good friends die in car accidents.

Nice non sequitur, and nice round of trap.  Grats!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 15, 2012, 02:51:13 PM
Is kstatefreak42 Merv? :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 02:52:24 PM
I have a friend who was robbed by someone with a gun and a friend's dad who shot himself with a gun.

we should definitely make it illegal to rob people with guns, but i think your friend's dad should be allowed to shoot himself if he wants to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Is kstatefreak42 Merv? :horrorsurprise:
oh crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 03:13:57 PM
Would you be in favor of reducing gun restrictions? Make it easier to buy a gun, and make it legal for citizens to have fully automatic weapons without restrictions?

Why or why not?

michigancat, i don't really care one way or the other.  but sure, people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm someone else.

i mean, i already said people should be allowed to possess bombs, do you really need to ask about automatic weapons?

It seems like you do care.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
Ugh... didn't follow much of the news coverage but I just saw they were reporting the guy's brother as the or one of the killers.  That is just sick and sad.  I hope he gets millions in defamation suits.  Not because he deserves the money, but because the people who reported it deserve to lose it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 03:55:00 PM
This thread is a microcosm of why the anti-gun nuts are losing, badly.

What a bunch of diluted self righteous unreasonable douche bags.

Literally not one single persuasive or even remotely reasoned argument.  Wow, if you losers want to live in a police state I encourage you to try North Korea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2012, 04:02:28 PM
This thread is a microcosm of why the anti-gun nuts are losing, badly.

What a bunch of diluted self righteous unreasonable douche bags.

Literally not one single persuasive or even remotely reasoned argument.  Wow, if you losers want to live in a police state I encourage you to try North Korea.

Nobody is losing badly.  Gun change doesn't happen because the status quo is people can have guns.  Same reason abortion hasn't changed.  If either policy was the opposite, it wouldn't change either.  Its too close to a 50/50 split with hardcore idealists on both sides.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 15, 2012, 04:19:30 PM
My grandpa used to bring down trees by digging a post hole near said tree.  Then pack the post hole with correct amount of fertilizer and diesel fuel.  Then used an acetylene bomb to set it off.  One time the tree flew about 20 ft in the air.  You can also dig ponds using the same method. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
This thread is a microcosm of why the anti-gun nuts are losing, badly.

What a bunch of diluted self righteous unreasonable douche bags.

Literally not one single persuasive or even remotely reasoned argument.  Wow, if you losers want to live in a police state I encourage you to try North Korea.

Nobody is losing badly.  Gun change doesn't happen because the status quo is people can have guns.  Same reason abortion hasn't changed.  If either policy was the opposite, it wouldn't change either.  Its too close to a 50/50 split with hardcore idealists on both sides.

Here's an excellent example of diluted. 


Ironic that "Chi Cat", presumably a person who lives in arguably the most violent City in America, a City with some of the most draconian guns laws, thinks that the anti-gun people exist in parity with the rest of the sane populous.  The anti-gun advocates don't have a leg to stand on. Their ideas have been beta tested and proven as moronic as they sound.

Why don't you racists go live in your homogeneous police state and let the rest of us live free.

Here's what it looks like
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
 





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 04:40:48 PM
This thread is a microcosm of why the anti-gun nuts are losing, badly.

What a bunch of diluted self righteous unreasonable douche bags.

Literally not one single persuasive or even remotely reasoned argument.  Wow, if you losers want to live in a police state I encourage you to try North Korea.

Nobody is losing badly.  Gun change doesn't happen because the status quo is people can have guns.  Same reason abortion hasn't changed.  If either policy was the opposite, it wouldn't change either.  Its too close to a 50/50 split with hardcore idealists on both sides.

Here's an excellent example of diluted. 


Ironic that "Chi Cat", presumably a person who lives in arguably the most violent City in America, a City with some of the most draconian guns laws, thinks that the anti-gun people exist in parity with the rest of the sane populous.  The anti-gun advocates don't have a leg to stand on. Their ideas have been beta tested and proven as moronic as they sound.

Why don't you racists go live in your homogeneous police state and let the rest of us live free.

Here's what it looks like
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

deluded dumbass.  deluded.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 04:49:29 PM
Cat, dumbass. Cat
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 15, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
Here's an excellent example of diluted. 


Ironic that "Chi Cat", presumably a person who lives in arguably the most violent City in America, a City with some of the most draconian guns laws, thinks that the anti-gun people exist in parity with the rest of the sane populous.  The anti-gun advocates don't have a leg to stand on. Their ideas have been beta tested and proven as moronic as they sound.

Why don't you racists go live in your homogeneous police state and let the rest of us live free.

Here's what it looks like
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

looks like a young white man afraid of a changing world and overcompensating with guns and violence.  :dunno:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 04:51:45 PM
I think FSD is campaigning for tougher gun laws in Norway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
Cat, dumbass. Cat
 :rolleyes:

You used a homophone.  dumbass.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 04:58:21 PM
The gun nuts are just getting destroyed in this thread.  Hard to watch
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 15, 2012, 05:04:34 PM
Was walking through a bad part of town once, some dudes were sizeing me up from accross the street, heard one of them say to another " Wanna roll him"  After I heard this I stuck my hand in my coat pocket and made my finger poke at the fabric like I had a gun, dudes hollered "he's got a gat!" and took off.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 15, 2012, 05:08:01 PM
Was walking through a bad part of town once, some dudes were sizeing me up from accross the street, heard one of them say to another " Wanna roll him"  After I heard this I stuck my hand in my coat pocket and made my finger poke at the fabric like I had a gun, dudes hollered "he's got a gat!" and took off.

what if you didn't have a coat on  :runaway:

mandatory coats for everyone  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 05:09:27 PM
 
Cat, dumbass. Cat
 :rolleyes:

You used a homophone.  dumbass.  :lol:

You must slobber or something when you talk if you think that's a homophone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 15, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
Was walking through a bad part of town once, some dudes were sizeing me up from accross the street, heard one of them say to another " Wanna roll him"  After I heard this I stuck my hand in my coat pocket and made my finger poke at the fabric like I had a gun, dudes hollered "he's got a gat!" and took off.

I can only assume that the point of this post is that we don't need guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: the KHAN! on December 15, 2012, 05:14:50 PM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.

eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.

STFU you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

You know, maybe people who were carrying legally could stand a chance at stopping these events if...you know...they took place in areas where people could carry legally....you know...like not a school. Idiot.

ha ha ha ha, the best example you could find is something that happened in a war zone five years ago.  Even people who are on your side will concede that this doesn't advance your argument like at all.  LOL I win, keep sitting this out dumb ass

Israel in 2008 was not a war zone. rough ridin' idiot. Ignore the facts as always.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 15, 2012, 05:19:20 PM
I was at an underworld economic summit last year and the question was posed to a crime ring leader " Why aren't you bringing in more criminals to help you burglarize more rich peoples homes"  Crime leader said that in todays enviroment with so many people being armed they have to be really selective in what homes they break into, it takes alot more research than it used to and that his ring has moved to some less dangerous criminal profit centers.

Hope this sheds some light on what is going on out in the trenches.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 15, 2012, 05:22:49 PM
I was at an underworld economic summit last year and the question was posed to a crime ring leader " Why aren't you bringing in more criminals to help you burglarize more rich peoples homes"  Crime leader said that in todays enviroment with so many people being armed they have to be really selective in what homes they break into, it takes alot more research than it used to and that his ring has moved to some less dangerous criminal profit centers.

Hope this sheds some light on what is going on out in the trenches.

fantastic post  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 15, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.
eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.
STFU you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
You know, maybe people who were carrying legally could stand a chance at stopping these events if...you know...they took place in areas where people could carry legally....you know...like not a school. Idiot.
ha ha ha ha, the best example you could find is something that happened in a war zone five years ago.  Even people who are on your side will concede that this doesn't advance your argument like at all.  LOL I win, keep sitting this out dumb ass

Israel in 2008 was not a war zone. rough ridin' idiot. Ignore the facts as always.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War) Israel in 2008 was not a war zone. rough ridin' idiot. Ignore the facts as always.

Still waiting for some evidence that legal carry licenses aren't worthless.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Who should have guns?
Police men.  The military.

Angry, powerless little people who want to feel powerful.

Otherwise known as people who join the military or become a cop.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 05:53:22 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 05:58:43 PM
This thread is a microcosm of why the anti-gun nuts are losing, badly.

What a bunch of diluted self righteous unreasonable douche bags.

Literally not one single persuasive or even remotely reasoned argument.  Wow, if you losers want to live in a police state I encourage you to try North Korea.
My soft bullet argument is pretty much bullet-proof (eyyo), actually.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 06:00:42 PM
It seems like you do care.

i care, in general, about personal liberties, the trading of freedoms for the perception of safety, the tyranny of the majority over the minority, etc.  i don't care, specifically, about legalizing (are they currently illegal?) automatic weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
My soft bullet argument is pretty much bullet-proof, actually.

dlew, i can't even tell what you think it'd accomplish.  or maybe i should say, how you think it'd accomplish what you think it'd accomplish.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
My soft bullet argument is pretty much bullet-proof, actually.

dlew, i can't even tell what you think it'd accomplish.  or maybe i should say, how you think it'd accomplish what you think it'd accomplish.
The goal for me is to restrict the lethality of guns.  If we can do that, everyone wins.  It's compromise.  I think it's possible to modify ammunition so that people retain the right to defend themselves with guns, but give up the "right" to have the capacity to instantaneously kill another human being with a gun.  This is compromise.  This is what reasonable looks like.  And it seems to me, that this solution is far more realistic than requiring teachers and principles and lunch ladies to start packing heat or mandating everyone turn in their guns or whatever.

If we can invent dippin' dots, it seems like we could pretty easily find a less lethal ammunition substitute.  We're human beings, for crying out loud - the smartest things in the known universe.  We have airplanes and the internet and nuclear bombs.  Finding a less lethal ammunition substitute should be an easy problem to solve.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2012, 06:09:57 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?

Do one where the scenario is guy comes into an elementary school and attacks kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 15, 2012, 06:18:18 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?

Do one where the scenario is guy comes into an elementary school and attacks kids.

How many people inside a school do you think should be able to have a gun? Just the principal? Every teacher?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 06:22:28 PM
The goal for me is to restrict the lethality of guns.  If we can do that, everyone wins.  It's compromise.  I think it's possible to modify ammunition so that people retain the right to defend themselves with guns, but give up the "right" to have the capacity to instantaneously kill another human being with a gun.  This is compromise.  This is what reasonable looks like.  And it seems to me, that this solution is far more realistic that mandating everyone turn in their guns or whatever.

i don't think you'd have a chance in hell at eliminating a black market in lead bullets, or even making that market difficult to access.  i don't understand what you'd plan to do about hunting ammunition, or how you think you'd restrict it hunting use.

i think you could do something like, make it so that people that fire lead ammunition in self-defense are charged with murder, or at least voluntary manslaughter, while people that fire your rubber or plastic bullets can't be charged with anything worse than involuntary manslaughter, if they happen to kill someone in self-defense.

i guess i don't see it as very useful, or important, of a point because i don't think that many people have guns primarily for self-defense.  and those that do, like, they need to buy ammo once every century or so, right?

finally, i think you'd be surprised by how much pushback you'd get from people that do keep guns for self-defense.

Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2012, 06:23:05 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/friends-of-gunmans-mother-his-first-victim-recall-her-as-generous.html?hp&_r=0
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
i don't think you'd have a chance in hell at eliminating a black market in lead bullets, or even making that market difficult to access.  i don't understand what you'd plan to do about hunting ammunition, or how you think you'd restrict it hunting use.

i think you could do something like, make it so that people that fire lead ammunition in self-defense are charged with murder, or at least voluntary manslaughter, while people that fire your rubber or plastic bullets can't be charged with anything worse than involuntary manslaughter, if they happen to kill someone in self-defense.

i guess i don't see it as very useful, or important, of a point because i don't think that many people have guns primarily for self-defense.  and those that do, like, they need to buy ammo once every century or so, right?

finally, i think you'd be surprised by how much pushback you'd get from people that do keep guns for self-defense.
Yeah, but there's a black market for pretty much every illegal thing.  If people want to go on the black market to buy or sell lead bullets, they do so in violation of the law.  Just like those that view child porn.  The "right to go hunting with guns" is about the last concern on my mind here, Sys.  And I know we'll probably butt heads about it, but that's just something we're going to have to disagree about I think.  My solution to the hunting question would be for hunters to either shoot clay pigeons or something, or get good at using bows and arrows.

Your legislation assumptions are pretty much correct.  Just make lead bullets illegal.  Period.  Illegal to sell, illegal to fire.  If you get caught firing them, you're in trouble, even if it's for self-defense. 

There are only so many lead bullets left in this country right now, and if production ceases tomorrow, that number decreases every day. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2012, 06:34:56 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?

Do one where the scenario is guy comes into an elementary school and attacks kids.

1. Guy walks into an elementary school and shoots kids. Teacher that was brave enough to try and shoot him misses with her first two shots, shoots him in his kevlar vest with the third, then gets shot 3 times and dies. Shooter continues to kill kids.
2. Teacher doesn't panic, gets off a lucky shot and disables the shooter.
3. Teacher misses the shooter and shoots a kid. Survives the attack, but kills herself that night.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 06:45:32 PM
The "right to go hunting with guns" is about the last concern on my mind here, Sys.  And I know we'll probably butt heads about it, but that's just something we're going to have to disagree about I think.  My solution to the hunting question would be for hunters to either shoot clay pigeons or something, or get good at using bows and arrows.


ok, yeah, i didn't realize this.  so i think you're really, really wrong.


There are only so many lead bullets left in this country right now, and if production ceases tomorrow, that number decreases every day.

we have the longest open border in the world, unless you convince canada to outlaw hunting as well, i don't think the number would decrease at all (and probably not even if you did somehow convince canada to outlaw hunting).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 15, 2012, 06:52:32 PM
Guns the great equalizer.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 06:53:35 PM
It seems like you do care.

i care, in general, about personal liberties, the trading of freedoms for the perception of safety, the tyranny of the majority over the minority, etc.  i don't care, specifically, about legalizing (are they currently illegal?) automatic weapons.

Aren't fully automatic weapons a personal liberty? (They are currently illegal)

You are contradicting yourself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 06:57:16 PM
You are contradicting yourself.

no i'm not.  i told you i supported people being allowed to own them, as i support people being allowed to own anything else.  but that it isn't something i care about.  there's no contradiction in that, not even in the slightest.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 06:58:14 PM
The "right to go hunting with guns" is about the last concern on my mind here, Sys.  And I know we'll probably butt heads about it, but that's just something we're going to have to disagree about I think.  My solution to the hunting question would be for hunters to either shoot clay pigeons or something, or get good at using bows and arrows.


ok, yeah, i didn't realize this.  so i think you're really, really wrong.


There are only so many lead bullets left in this country right now, and if production ceases tomorrow, that number decreases every day.

we have the longest open border in the world, unless you convince canada to outlaw hunting as well, i don't think the number would decrease at all (and probably not even if you did somehow convince canada to outlaw hunting).
I knew you'd disagree with the hunting thing, but no matter the action (or inaction) related to gun-control moving forward, people are going to disagree about things (and that's okay!).  If the disagreement is about "hunting" that's okay with me.  If some one can think of a way to make hunting possible without increasing the lethality of guns, then go for it.  Until then, probably no hunting.

Like I said, black markets and smuggling and whatnot exists for every illegal thing and I don't find this argument at all compelling.  I find it unlikely that any future (illegal) canadian ammunition smuggling would outweigh the current domestic production of ammunition.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 07:04:15 PM
I find it unlikely that any future (illegal) canadian ammunition smuggling would outweigh the current domestic production of ammunition.

people would stop using it for stuff like target practice, so it'd only need to outweigh the future domestic use of lead ammo, not the current domestic production.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 07:04:19 PM
You are contradicting yourself.

no i'm not.  i told you i supported people being allowed to own them, as i support people being allowed to own anything else.  but that it isn't something i care about.  there's no contradiction in that, not even in the slightest.

Ah, so you support the legalization of them up to the point of caring.

Such conviction.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 07:10:01 PM
I find it unlikely that any future (illegal) canadian ammunition smuggling would outweigh the current domestic production of ammunition.

people would stop using it for stuff like target practice, so it'd only need to outweigh the future domestic use of lead ammo, not the current domestic production.
But in theory, at most, the future domestic use of lead ammo would be equal to the future amount of illegal smuggling.

I may be misunderstanding what you're saying.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
Ah, so you support the legalization of them up to the point of caring.

Such conviction.

that's the way humans work, michigancat.  we tend not to care very much about stuff we don't care very much about.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2012, 07:14:44 PM
Ah, so you support the legalization of them up to the point of caring.

Such conviction.

that's the way humans work, michigancat.  we tend not to care very much about stuff we don't care very much about.

It just really makes your high and mighty personal liberty stance lose a lot of its luster. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 07:17:10 PM
But in theory, at most, the future domestic use of lead ammo would be equal to the future amount of illegal smuggling.

I may be misunderstanding what you're saying.

no you're not.  how often does someone that wants a gun for self-defense fire a bullet in self defense?  i'd say the mode would be never.  you wouldn't need much a supply to keep up with that rate of use.


by the way, your no hunting thing kinda throws me for a loop.  i thought your whole idea was to propose a less radical, more feasible solution to reduce the lethality of gun violence than restricting gun ownership.  yet you want to eliminate the largest, most popular activity for which guns are used?  i think the only poster here advocating a more radical, less feasible solution is sd.  if you're going that far, why not just advocate rounding up guns?  at least guns are harder to smuggle than ammo.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 15, 2012, 07:20:13 PM
It just really makes your high and mighty personal liberty stance lose a lot of its luster. Oh, well.

that's the way personal liberties work.  i don't try to limit the liberties of other people to own/do stuff i don't care about, and i hope other people don't try to limit my liberty to own/do stuff i do care about.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
Sys has the ideological purity to sustain his argument. His position is that it's worth it. Can't really argue someone's perception of worth.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
My soft bullet argument is pretty much bullet-proof, actually.

dlew, i can't even tell what you think it'd accomplish.  or maybe i should say, how you think it'd accomplish what you think it'd accomplish.
The goal for me is to restrict the lethality of guns.  If we can do that, everyone wins.  It's compromise.  I think it's possible to modify ammunition so that people retain the right to defend themselves with guns, but give up the "right" to have the capacity to instantaneously kill another human being with a gun.  This is compromise.  This is what reasonable looks like.  And it seems to me, that this solution is far more realistic than requiring teachers and principles and lunch ladies to start packing heat or mandating everyone turn in their guns or whatever.

If we can invent dippin' dots, it seems like we could pretty easily find a less lethal ammunition substitute.  We're human beings, for crying out loud - the smartest things in the known universe.  We have airplanes and the internet and nuclear bombs.  Finding a less lethal ammunition substitute should be an easy problem to solve.

Is your goal really just to have a reason to arrest certain people?  Because if someone is planning on committing a crime, they sure as hell aren't going to be deterred by having to buy lethal bullets on the black market.  Seems like a lot of work just to accomplish absolutely nothing.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 07:42:56 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?

The idea is that just having the right to own a gun would make a criminal more careful about who they commit a crime against.  If you we're a criminal, and you were going to rob someone, would you rob me or SD?

Also, answer to your question: #1 - didn't even have to read any other options. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?

Do one where the scenario is guy comes into an elementary school and attacks kids.

1. Guy walks into an elementary school and shoots kids. Teacher that was brave enough to try and shoot him misses with her first two shots, shoots him in his kevlar vest with the third, then gets shot 3 times and dies. Shooter continues to kill kids.
2. Teacher doesn't panic, gets off a lucky shot and disables the shooter.
3. Teacher misses the shooter and shoots a kid. Survives the attack, but kills herself that night.

Kevlar isn't some magic shield that allows people to continue on terminator style.  Imagine what would happen to you if you got hit with a blunt object traveling at 2000 feet per second.  It would likely knock the wind out of you and break a couple of ribs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 07:50:02 PM
Is your goal really just to have a reason to arrest certain people?  Because if someone is planning on committing a crime, they sure as hell aren't going to be deterred by having to buy lethal bullets on the black market.  Seems like a lot of work just to accomplish absolutely nothing.
No my goal isn't to arrest certain people.  My goal is to make it harder for people to kill others, while still affording people a feasible means of self-defense involving guns.

no you're not.  how often does someone that wants a gun for self-defense fire a bullet in self defense?  i'd say the mode would be never.  you wouldn't need much a supply to keep up with that rate of use.


by the way, your no hunting thing kinda throws me for a loop.  i thought your whole idea was to propose a less radical, more feasible solution to reduce the lethality of gun violence than restricting gun ownership.  yet you want to eliminate the largest, most popular activity for which guns are used?  i think the only poster here advocating a more radical, less feasible solution is sd.  if you're going that far, why not just advocate rounding up guns?  at least guns are harder to smuggle than ammo.
Under my theory, people could still legally defend themselves using guns and legally carry and possess guns for sport (which includes, according to gun advocates, things like target shooting, clay pigeons, etc.).  It seems to me that the only thing we'd immediately sacrifice is hunting.  I'm not diametrically opposed to hunting, like I said, I'm all for bows and arrows.  Hunting isn't an unrestricted right as it stands anyways.  We already restrict where and how and when and what people hunt. 

If there is a way people could continue to hunt without using ammunition that can instantaneously kill humans, I'm all for it. 

This is a compromise.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
Okay so I have a serious question for concealed carry people.  What happens when a bad guy comes up to you with a gun and demands your wallet. What are the scenarios?

As I see it:
1. You let the guy steal your wallet (best option)
2. You go for your gun, the guy panics and shoots you. Takes your wallet.
3. You go for the gun, guy panics and runs away, you keep wallet.
4. You go for your gun, guy panics/has safety on/gun jams, so you kill him.
5. Let the guy steal your wallet, then you shoot him as he runs away (kinda makes you a bad person, IMO.)
6. ???

Am I way off here?

Do one where the scenario is guy comes into an elementary school and attacks kids.

1. Guy walks into an elementary school and shoots kids. Teacher that was brave enough to try and shoot him misses with her first two shots, shoots him in his kevlar vest with the third, then gets shot 3 times and dies. Shooter continues to kill kids.
2. Teacher doesn't panic, gets off a lucky shot and disables the shooter.
3. Teacher misses the shooter and shoots a kid. Survives the attack, but kills herself that night.

Kevlar isn't some magic shield that allows people to continue on terminator style.  Imagine what would happen to you if you got hit with a blunt object traveling at 2000 feet per second.  It would likely knock the wind out of you and break a couple of ribs.

But it's a ridiculous question because guns don't belong in school - and certainly not by teachers, principles, or anyone else. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 15, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
   Oh I just remembered a positive use of a firearm in like real life awesomeness.   Did you hear about the guy in Milton, KS last year or the year before.  His house was robbed while he was away.  The guy was single and middle aged so he had alot of cool crap.  They took all this collectable stuff the guy had been collecting over the years, plus some high end firearms.  They couldn't break into the safe he had anchored to the floor though. 

   The guy comes home and finds this rough ridin' shitty scene.   So he borrows a gun from his brother for protection because all of his are gone.  He is sleeping on the couch the next night because the robbers totally wrecked his bedroom and the fuckers come back to get into his safe.  They don't notice him on the couch and he wakes up with the semi-auto high powered rifle he had borrowed laying next to him and commenced to unload on these assholes. 

    They ran out in his yard and he kept shooting at them till they drove out in a panic.  Two of the thieves had to be picked up on the highway by an ambulance and were arrested after they were cleared from the hospital.  So one guy was able to fend off 5 grown men.  He was initially charged with attempted homicied but the charges were dropped a day later. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 09:06:29 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2012, 09:10:27 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?

M15 assault rifle and glock 22 semi auto pistol.  71 people got shot, that ain't happening with a hunting tool.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 09:12:52 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?

The same thing he started with - a weapon he was hell bent on assaulting with.  But in between that, he pulled out a couple of hand guns. 

Not sure where your going with this - is it okay that be murdered people with a weapon people generally hunt with?  It only became wrong when he pulled out the rifle specifically designed for firing high powered rounds in semi rapid succession at targets farther than 30 + yards away?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 09:13:56 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?

M15 assault rifle and glock 22 semi auto pistol.  71 people got shot, that ain't happening with a hunting tool.

At close range, he did more damage with the "hunting" tool.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 15, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
People use them to blast prairie dogs. I don't consider that really hunting though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?

The same thing he started with - a weapon he was hell bent on assaulting with.  But in between that, he pulled out a couple of hand guns. 

Not sure where your going with this - is it okay that be murdered people with a weapon people generally hunt with?  It only became wrong when he pulled out the rifle specifically designed for firing high powered rounds in semi rapid succession at targets farther than 30 + yards away?

You know the difference and you know semi auto pistols with 30 round magazines are far more dangerous to multiple humans than a 3 shot Benelli
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 15, 2012, 10:49:14 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?

The same thing he started with - a weapon he was hell bent on assaulting with.  But in between that, he pulled out a couple of hand guns. 

Not sure where your going with this - is it okay that be murdered people with a weapon people generally hunt with?  It only became wrong when he pulled out the rifle specifically designed for firing high powered rounds in semi rapid succession at targets farther than 30 + yards away?

You know the difference and you know semi auto pistols with 30 round magazines are far more dangerous to multiple humans than a 3 shot Benelli

You can fit 6 shotgun shells in most pumps - and those can be extended to hold over a dozen rounds with a pipe and a spring.  The point I'm still trying to make is there isn't much difference between being shot with a shotgun at close range or a hand gun from 15 feet or a rifle at 30 yards.  They're all lethal.  Which brings us back to the absurd notion of banning all weapons or the even more ridiculous talking point of rubber bullets.  Neither of these solutions would result in having any effect on actually decreasing violent deaths - which is what I think is everyone's objective.  I'm merely trying to guide this in a direction of reasonable possibility.  Although seemingly impossible, It would be easier to develop some social safety net to help troubled or depressed individuals capable of carrying out such deeds.  It's also a possible solution that would infringe on no ones individual liberties or create some drug war like witch hunt for arresting "the right kind" of people as MIR pointed out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2012, 11:02:15 PM
Banning sport specific firearms is simply Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and will never happen. Even MIR recognizes that.  People aren't walking into places with a bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun.  The weapons to restrict are the assault rifle types and hand guns.

In aurora, the crazy bastard started with a shot gun.

What did he finish with?

The same thing he started with - a weapon he was hell bent on assaulting with.  But in between that, he pulled out a couple of hand guns. 

Not sure where your going with this - is it okay that be murdered people with a weapon people generally hunt with?  It only became wrong when he pulled out the rifle specifically designed for firing high powered rounds in semi rapid succession at targets farther than 30 + yards away?

You know the difference and you know semi auto pistols with 30 round magazines are far more dangerous to multiple humans than a 3 shot Benelli

You can fit 6 shotgun shells in most pumps - and those can be extended to hold over a dozen rounds with a pipe and a spring.  The point I'm still trying to make is there isn't much difference between being shot with a shotgun at close range or a hand gun from 15 feet or a rifle at 30 yards.  They're all lethal.  Which brings us back to the absurd notion of banning all weapons or the even more ridiculous talking point of rubber bullets.  Neither of these solutions would result in having any effect on actually decreasing violent deaths - which is what I think is everyone's objective.  I'm merely trying to guide this in a direction of reasonable possibility.  Although seemingly impossible, It would be easier to develop some social safety net to help troubled or depressed individuals capable of carrying out such deeds.  It's also a possible solution that would infringe on no ones individual liberties or create some drug war like witch hunt for arresting "the right kind" of people as MIR pointed out.
rubber bullets isn't ridiculous

 :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 15, 2012, 11:20:25 PM
The facts say that more gun control causes more death.   So why would we want more gun control?   That just doesn't make sense to me. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 16, 2012, 12:14:14 AM
The facts say that more gun control causes more death.   So why would we want more gun control?   That just doesn't make sense to me.

I think whether or not these are facts is a source of debate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 01:43:26 AM
Dude who likes Oregon helps prevent further death by brandishing concealed-carry weapon at attacker.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html


Also, wth is wrong with these people.  These things are happening all too often.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 16, 2012, 03:33:36 AM
Using Dlew's rubber bullets, I think people could still hunt. They'd knock an animal down and, most likely, seriously wound it. You could then walk up to it and slit it's throat. Boom, hunting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: the KHAN! on December 16, 2012, 06:28:41 AM
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, some goddamn psycho with a gun is going crazy damn near daily now.  Not one rough ridin' time has one of these psychos been taken down with someone who is carrying legally.  Such a stupid talking point.
eff guns, eff the second amendment.  I'm fed up, I've had enough of this bullshit.
STFU you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
You know, maybe people who were carrying legally could stand a chance at stopping these events if...you know...they took place in areas where people could carry legally....you know...like not a school. Idiot.
ha ha ha ha, the best example you could find is something that happened in a war zone five years ago.  Even people who are on your side will concede that this doesn't advance your argument like at all.  LOL I win, keep sitting this out dumb ass

Israel in 2008 was not a war zone. rough ridin' idiot. Ignore the facts as always.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War) Israel in 2008 was not a war zone. rough ridin' idiot. Ignore the facts as always.

Still waiting for some evidence that legal carry licenses aren't worthless.

A. The Gaza War happened in...wait for it...Gaza. This shooting occured in Jerusalem....which is not in Gaza. That's your first mistake, assfuck.
B. The Gaza War started in late December of 2008. This shooting...wait for it....hold....HOLD!!!! The shooting occurred in March of 2008. That would be...what? A whole 9 months before the Gaza War. I mean, Christ, dude...do you even read what you post?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 16, 2012, 07:21:57 AM
That's your first mistake, assfuck!
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 09:05:09 AM
Good job bubbles.  That was only your first mistake.  People makes lots of mistakes - so knowing that was your first one must feel pretty great.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
I've brought it up before, but no one has responded. But why doesn't the thought of cops/military being the only ones with guns scare people?  You're more likely to run into a dick head cop than run into a mentally ill person and a mass shooting.  Most of the people I know that joined the military did it for the sole purpose of wanting to exert their authority over others.  It's been pretty well documented that a lot of cops aren't held accountable when they go apeshit and use excessive force.  How can you reason that disarming the public wouldn't encourage more corruption within the police force? 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 16, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
I don't think most police officers should carry guns once the public is disarmed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 16, 2012, 10:19:19 AM
I don't think there is a good reason not to require gun locks to be sold with firearms.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 10:19:45 AM
Totalitarianism doesn't seem like it would be that far from causing anarchy.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
I don't think there is a good reason not to require gun locks to be sold with firearms.

Most places provide gun locks for free. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 16, 2012, 11:05:13 AM
I don't think there is a good reason not to require gun locks to be sold with firearms.

Most places provide gun locks for free. 

Making people take them is different from having them for free IMO
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 16, 2012, 11:17:01 AM
Here's some interesting junk

Quote
Adolescent Masculinity, Homophobia, and Violence
Random School Shootings, 1982-2001

From 1981-2002, there have been 28 cases of random school shootings in American high schools & middle schools.
Findings:
1. School "shootings occurred in “red states” or counties (places that voted Republican in the 2000 election)
2. most of the boys who opened fire were mercilessly & routinely teased & bullied & violence was retaliatory.
3. White boys in particular might be more likely than African American boys to randomly open fire
4. the specific content of the teasing and bullying is homophobia
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 16, 2012, 11:18:06 AM
White people are a menace to society.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 16, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
It just really makes your high and mighty personal liberty stance lose a lot of its luster. Oh, well.

that's the way personal liberties work.  i don't try to limit the liberties of other people to own/do stuff i don't care about, and i hope other people don't try to limit my liberty to own/do stuff i do care about.

Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 16, 2012, 11:56:22 AM
i think we should force all people to carry handguns.  if you get caught without your handgun, there should be a hefty fine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 16, 2012, 01:51:56 PM
Here's some interesting junk

Quote
Adolescent Masculinity, Homophobia, and Violence
Random School Shootings, 1982-2001

From 1981-2002, there have been 28 cases of random school shootings in American high schools & middle schools.
Findings:
1. School "shootings occurred in “red states” or counties (places that voted Republican in the 2000 election)
2. most of the boys who opened fire were mercilessly & routinely teased & bullied & violence was retaliatory.
3. White boys in particular might be more likely than African American boys to randomly open fire
4. the specific content of the teasing and bullying is homophobia

More interesting non-cherry-picked lists:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html)

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/school_violence/school_shootings.html (http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/school_violence/school_shootings.html)

Also ran across this:

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure (http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 16, 2012, 01:59:04 PM
Yea, I don't know if I buy that these are more prevelant in "Red" states.  Also, that Norway one is still just horrific.  Seems that nobody remembers that one or mentions it because it was not US but :sad:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: the KHAN! on December 16, 2012, 03:50:27 PM
White people are a menace to society.

This is the first statement that's made any sense this entire thread.  :dance:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 16, 2012, 03:56:32 PM
Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

i don't understand what you're trying to say.  please restate your thesis.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 16, 2012, 05:02:07 PM
Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

i don't understand what you're trying to say.  please restate your thesis.

You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

It's fine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 16, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
Michigan Cat supports a more enlightened police state.  Where the bourgeoisie make the rules of society for the unwashed masses.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 06:30:06 PM
Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

i don't understand what you're trying to say.  please restate your thesis.

You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

It's fine.

It isn't lazy. He doesn't personally care too much about firearms because they, in his opinion, have little effect on him personally.  He does, however, respect liberty and thus the second amendment, supporting peoples right to bear arms.  In turn, he hopes that others respect his freedoms in areas that he feels are important to him. 

Sorry sys, if I am putting words into your mouth. 

.
None of the above is lazy, it is the very basis of individualism that our country was founded on.  Individual liberty > mob rule.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 16, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Very good speech by the president
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 16, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
Yep, great speech, great message
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 16, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
Summary plz.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 16, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
I'm going to take away your handguns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 16, 2012, 08:31:04 PM
I'm going to take away your handguns

Really dumb.  He should force everyone to carry handguns.  If people know that everyone has a handgun then they are much less likely to try something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 16, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

you're going to have to make your logic explicit, i'm trying very hard to follow your thought process, and i just can't.  i don't see anything lazy about my position.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 16, 2012, 08:35:07 PM
Sorry sys, if I am putting words into your mouth. 

not at all.  exactly what i have tried to say.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 09:11:58 PM
They're having a memorial of the kids that were shot on CNN.

I don't want to throw my hat into a debate on civil liberties or the 2nd amendment.  People have strong feelings on the subject one way or the other.

What I want is to live in a country where we don't have to worry about this kind of violence.  I want to live in a country where people aren't overly paranoid about their government.  I mostly want to live in a country where people don't think this kind of stuff can be solved by praying it away or by carrying their own weapon.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that I probably need to look at becoming an ex-pat.  I may need to consult felix on good places to live abroad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 09:19:15 PM
We can thank the corporate whore media propoganda machine for spreading this like it is a natioal trajedy and coercing the public that banning guns and destroying the 2nd amendment would be the best thing to do. sad thing is that majority of the sheep will willfully give up THEIR right to protect themselves and let the govt do it for them when the govt is trying to move into a totalitarian police state
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 09:19:57 PM
We can thank the corporate whore media propoganda machine for spreading this like it is a natioal trajedy and coercing the public that banning guns and destroying the 2nd amendment would be the best thing to do. sad thing is that majority of the sheep will willfully give up THEIR right to protect themselves and let the govt do it for them when the govt is trying to move into a totalitarian police state

Shut up you paranoid dumb ass.

20 elementary school kids were shot in cold blood.  It is a national tragedy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 09:22:55 PM
Freak, get a hold of yourself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Not paranoid my friend. Its reality. Name calling will not solve your low IQ on the Bilderbergs plan to institute a global government by collapsing us economically and posing a 1 world solution. I mean rockefellar admits it in his own book.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 09:26:53 PM
Freak, get a hold of yourself.
I did.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 09:31:12 PM
Not paranoid my friend. Its reality. Name calling will not solve your low IQ on the Bilderbergs plan to institute a global government by collapsing us economically and posing a 1 world solution. I mean rockefellar admits it in his own book.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Screw this.  I'm going ex-pat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
Freak, get a hold of yourself.
I did.

No, you act in extremes.  I don't disagree with everything you say, but the way you, and a lot of other people who share similar views, many of which I can listen to, really hurts your cause more than it helps it.  I spend a lot of time on the libertyforest.com forums, but I hardly post because for every level-headed, liberty loving American there are just as many over-the-top extremists. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 09:33:07 PM
Not paranoid my friend. Its reality. Name calling will not solve your low IQ on the Bilderbergs plan to institute a global government by collapsing us economically and posing a 1 world solution. I mean rockefellar admits it in his own book.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Screw this.  I'm going ex-pat.

Where you you move?   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
Not paranoid my friend. Its reality. Name calling will not solve your low IQ on the Bilderbergs plan to institute a global government by collapsing us economically and posing a 1 world solution. I mean rockefellar admits it in his own book.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Screw this.  I'm going ex-pat.

Where you you move?

We have friends in Australia.  I'm going to start asking around.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 09:41:38 PM
Listen to myself? How about you READ rockefellars quote in his own book. Dumbass. Im so extreme because people r so intelligent! I mean its not hard to figure out that this is happening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 09:42:51 PM
Listen to myself? How about you READ rockefellars quote in his own book. Dumbass. Im so extreme because people r so intelligent! I mean its not hard to figure out that this is happening.

No. I don't look good in tin foil.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 09:45:00 PM
Listen to myself? How about you READ rockefellars quote in his own book. Dumbass. Im so extreme because people r so intelligent! I mean its not hard to figure out that this is happening.

No. I don't look good in tin foil.
So your refusing to acknowledge it and pretend its not true? Your the one wearing a tin hat bud!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Listen to myself? How about you READ rockefellars quote in his own book. Dumbass. Im so extreme because people r so intelligent! I mean its not hard to figure out that this is happening.

No. I don't look good in tin foil.
So your refusing to acknowledge it and pretend its not true? Your the one wearing a tin hat bud!

Yes, not believing that a group of people are globally conspiring to create a one world government makes me crazy.  Got it.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming where people start talking about libertarian principles and how we could overthrow the government with our guns even though if they really wanted to kill us, they could use the multi-trillion dollar military we pay for every single year to crush us like a gnat whenever they so choose.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 16, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
Kstatefreak needs to be banned from buying fertilizer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
Listen to myself? How about you READ rockefellars quote in his own book. Dumbass. Im so extreme because people r so intelligent! I mean its not hard to figure out that this is happening.

No. I don't look good in tin foil.
So your refusing to acknowledge it and pretend its not true? Your the one wearing a tin hat bud!

Yes, not believing that a group of people are globally conspiring to create a one world government makes me crazy.  Got it.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming where people start talking about libertarian principles and how we could overthrow the government with our guns even though if they really wanted to kill us, they could use the multi-trillion dollar military we pay for every single year to crush us like a gnat whenever they so choose.
I do not think violence is the answer. An intellectual awakening amongst the zombie hoard that is the rebloodlican and democrip base is what the goal is. Inform the masses of the people!! Thats my goal here and I am trying to find the right delivery on how to tell the zombie hoard that there is actually a group of elites that want to control everything. Go cats.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 10:00:50 PM
Kstatefreak needs to be banned from buying fertilizer.
Never bought it in my life. No need to. clown.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 16, 2012, 10:02:18 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 16, 2012, 10:03:13 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on December 16, 2012, 10:08:23 PM
rebloodlican and democrip

Even dax thinks these are stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 10:15:17 PM
rebloodlican and democrip

Even dax thinks these are stupid.
I do not care what dax thinks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 16, 2012, 10:16:55 PM
Quote
“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405


take that fwiw. There are people out there trying to eff over the world for their own greed/benefit. How powerful and/or big they may be is debatable, but they do exist.

also fwiw, this is probably for another thread....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 16, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
We can thank the corporate whore media propoganda machine for spreading this like it is a natioal trajedy and coercing the public that banning guns and destroying the 2nd amendment would be the best thing to do. sad thing is that majority of the sheep will willfully give up THEIR right to protect themselves and let the govt do it for them when the govt is trying to move into a totalitarian police state

It isn't a national tragedy?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 16, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
I'm going ex-pat.

good decision.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 10:26:01 PM
Quote
“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405


take that fwiw. There are people out there trying to eff over the world for their own greed/benefit. How powerful and/or big they may be is debatable, but they do exist.

also fwiw, this is probably for another thread....

I think that has more to do with corporate laws, trade laws, etc.  To that end, they are simply talking about what we currently see today. Transnational companies operate nearly outside of sovereign national boundaries.  I would imagine the goal is to operate completely outside these boundaries.  Chronie capatalism or what have you, etc. etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 16, 2012, 10:28:44 PM
Quote
“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405


take that fwiw. There are people out there trying to eff over the world for their own greed/benefit. How powerful and/or big they may be is debatable, but they do exist.

also fwiw, this is probably for another thread....
You need to checck out Mark Dice's youtube channel.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 10:31:11 PM
Not paranoid my friend. Its reality. Name calling will not solve your low IQ on the Bilderbergs plan to institute a global government by collapsing us economically and posing a 1 world solution. I mean rockefellar admits it in his own book.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Screw this.  I'm going ex-pat.

Where you you move?

We have friends in Australia.  I'm going to start asking around.

You would probably enjoy it.  I would be interested in living in Chile FWIW.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
An interesting article about mental illness in the US. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

There is a lot of truth in this article and I don't see much of a political skew, on either side, to it.  We can talk about guns, and what to do with them, but addressing the mental health problems in the country is a dire need as well.  It is a need directly related to violence and crime in our country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on December 16, 2012, 10:43:56 PM
An interesting article about mental illness in the US. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

There is a lot of truth in this article and I don't see much of a political skew, on either side, to it.  We can talk about guns, and what to do with them, but addressing the mental health problems in the country is a dire need as well.  It is a need directly related to violence and crime in our country.

Mental illness treatment in this country has been defunded drastically over the years.  It's a problem that both Democrats and Republicans have caused, though it certainly does wind up on the "social programs to dump" list with more Republicans than Democrats, but that's splitting hairs.

I hope that both sides of the isle unite on this and dedicate resources to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ben ji on December 16, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
An interesting article about mental illness in the US. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

There is a lot of truth in this article and I don't see much of a political skew, on either side, to it.  We can talk about guns, and what to do with them, but addressing the mental health problems in the country is a dire need as well.  It is a need directly related to violence and crime in our country.

Mental illness treatment in this country has been defunded drastically over the years.  It's a problem that both Democrats and Republicans have caused, though it certainly does wind up on the "social programs to dump" list with more Republicans than Democrats, but that's splitting hairs.

I hope that both sides of the isle unite on this and dedicate resources to it.

Yeah, I agree.  I not a pro on the history.  I only know a little, but my understanding is that in the past there were a lot more people being institutionalized.  There were also a lot less people on pharmaceutical drugs.

Eventually, mental wards and institutions began to be seen in a negative and inhumane light.  I'm sure that there were horror stories.  I'm also sure that often these institutions provided a place where the mentally unstable could receive treatment, and live as normal life as possible within the boundaries of the institution.   

As less people were being admitted to these institutions more people began to be treated with commercially produced pharmaceuticals.  The companies making these drugs have a lot of money and a lot of lobbying power.   

It is sad.  It is a problem. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 11:05:51 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

3d printing guns... now you're just entering looney-toon land.   Someone get ben ji some tin foil for his head.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 16, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
anti depressants are a short term solution only. I was prescribed to lexipro for like two years and it was awful. crap is horrible for you. There are exceptions, of course, but big pharma has a vested interest in proliferating psychoactive drugs as much as they can. They see $$$. Just look at the adderal epidemic. I have friends that are 25 and still "rely" on riddilan (sp) . I mean, jesus rough ridin' christ

Is it a coincidence that such a large amount of the population is doped up, and there are more mass murders now? Idk but it's worth looking into.....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 16, 2012, 11:22:49 PM
anti depressants are a short term solution only. I was prescribed to lexipro for like two years and it was awful. crap is horrible for you. There are exceptions, of course, but big pharma has a vested interest in proliferating psychoactive drugs as much as they can. They see $$$. Just look at the adderal epidemic. I have friends that are 25 and still "rely" on riddilan (sp) . I mean, jesus rough ridin' christ

Is it a coincidence that such a large amount of the population is doped up, and there are more mass murders now? Idk but it's worth looking into.....

I hear you.  That isn't saying that you or I don't think there are instances where pharmaceutical drugs are beneficial, or that they are needed.  It is acknowledging the severe overuse and acceptance of that overuse of drugs to help depression, anxiety, etc. 

I've always been averse to prescription drugs of pretty much any kind. So maybe that is skewing my opinion.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 16, 2012, 11:29:49 PM
You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

you're going to have to make your logic explicit, i'm trying very hard to follow your thought process, and i just can't.  i don't see anything lazy about my posiote

Refusing to acknowledge any responsibility or problems associated with a stance of "people should be allowed to own nuclear weapons because of liberty" is lazy, childish, and foolish.

I just can't take your position seriously when choose to hide in a utopian fantasy land.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 11:30:03 PM
I know no one wants to hear it, but violence on TV.  I'm not talking about a 13-20 year old kids, but kids from birth to roughly 12 being exposed to the kind of violence in prime time slots is ridiculous.  Some interesting stats:

Quote
Between 1998 and 2006:
Violence increased in every time slot:
    Violence during the 8:00 p.m. Family Hour has increased by 45%
    Violence during the 9:00 p.m. hour has increased by 92%
    Violence during the 10:00 p.m. hour has increased by 167%

ABC experienced the biggest increase in violent content overall.  In 1998, ABC averaged .93 instances of violence per hour during prime time.  By 2006, ABC was averaging 3.80 instances of violence per hour ? an increase of 309%.

Fox, the second-most violent network in 1998, experienced the smallest increase.  Fox averaged 3.43 instances of violence per hour in 1998 and 3.84 instances of violence per hour by 2006 ? an increase of only 12%.
More here:  http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reports/violencestudy/exsummary.asp

Honestly, when did nudity become taboo & violence become okay?  Movies can receive a PG13 people being brutally killed, but an R rating for consensual sex.  I'm not saying consensual sex should receive a PG13 - but as a parent, I'm much more comfortable with my kid watching a sex scene than watching someone brutally murdered.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 16, 2012, 11:33:37 PM
You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

you're going to have to make your logic explicit, i'm trying very hard to follow your thought process, and i just can't.  i don't see anything lazy about my posiote

Refusing to acknowledge any responsibility or problems associated with a stance of "people should be allowed to own nuclear weapons because of liberty" is lazy, childish, and foolish.

I just can't take your position seriously when choose to hide in a utopian fantasy land.

It's not lazy though. Your argument is lazy if anything.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 16, 2012, 11:35:49 PM
I know no one wants to hear it, but violence on TV.  I'm not talking about a 13-20 year old kids, but kids from birth to roughly 12 being exposed to the kind of violence in prime time slots is ridiculous.  Some interesting stats:

Quote
Between 1998 and 2006:
Violence increased in every time slot:
    Violence during the 8:00 p.m. Family Hour has increased by 45%
    Violence during the 9:00 p.m. hour has increased by 92%
    Violence during the 10:00 p.m. hour has increased by 167%

ABC experienced the biggest increase in violent content overall.  In 1998, ABC averaged .93 instances of violence per hour during prime time.  By 2006, ABC was averaging 3.80 instances of violence per hour ? an increase of 309%.

Fox, the second-most violent network in 1998, experienced the smallest increase.  Fox averaged 3.43 instances of violence per hour in 1998 and 3.84 instances of violence per hour by 2006 ? an increase of only 12%.
More here:  http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reports/violencestudy/exsummary.asp

Honestly, when did nudity become taboo & violence become okay?  Movies can receive a PG13 people being brutally killed, but an R rating for consensual sex.  I'm not saying consensual sex should receive a PG13 - but as a parent, I'm much more comfortable with my kid watching a sex scene than watching someone brutally murdered.

We have a couple of rules in our house:

No violent TV or movies when the kids are awake
No toy weapons of any kind

If someone gets our kids a toy gun, it's going back to the store.  We've got sports crap and fake musical instruments out the wazoo, but not a single weapon.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 16, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

you're going to have to make your logic explicit, i'm trying very hard to follow your thought process, and i just can't.  i don't see anything lazy about my posiote

Refusing to acknowledge any responsibility or problems associated with a stance of "people should be allowed to own nuclear weapons because of liberty" is lazy, childish, and foolish.

I just can't take your position seriously when choose to hide in a utopian fantasy land.

It's not lazy though. Your argument is lazy if anything.

Yeah, I am being pretty lazy. sys seemed to have the most compelling argument on the pro-gun side, and I was trying to see if he could talk about his position like an adult, but it's clear he's just another pike or freak.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 16, 2012, 11:47:36 PM
Refusing to acknowledge any responsibility or problems associated with a stance of "people should be allowed to own nuclear weapons because of liberty" is lazy, childish, and foolish.

I just can't take your position seriously when choose to hide in a utopian fantasy land.

i haven't done that.  you're projecting your strawman fantasy onto my posts.  i miswrite on occasion, especially when responding in a hurry.  but in general i try to choose my words with some thought.  you should do me the courtesy of reading them before accusing me of being lazy (irony!).
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 16, 2012, 11:51:30 PM
They're having a memorial of the kids that were shot on CNN.

I don't want to throw my hat into a debate on civil liberties or the 2nd amendment.  People have strong feelings on the subject one way or the other.

What I want is to live in a country where we don't have to worry about this kind of violence.  I want to live in a country where people aren't overly paranoid about their government.  I mostly want to live in a country where people don't think this kind of stuff can be solved by praying it away or by carrying their own weapon.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that I probably need to look at becoming an ex-pat.  I may need to consult felix on good places to live abroad.

Hmmm. Running down that list, I may have some bad news for you. Maybe eurocat can offer some hope.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 16, 2012, 11:54:05 PM
We have a couple of rules in our house:

No violent TV or movies when the kids are awake
No toy weapons of any kind

If someone gets our kids a toy gun, it's going back to the store.  We've got sports crap and fake musical instruments out the wazoo, but not a single weapon.

I applaud you panj -  I don't even have cable in my house.   We do have bb guns & airsoft guns at the grandparents and will eventually introduce them in our house.  They are only used for target practice towards inanimate objects and are taught as a tool of skill.   Neighbor kids are just the opposite, so we constantly preach to our children that a gun, whether toy or something capable of firing projectiles should NOT be aimed at anything you do not intend to eat.  He'll play with the neighbor kids and play out imaginary war scenes and it's something that does bother us.  We try to limit it and talk about it afterwards and hope he's constructively using it as a coping mechanism for understanding violence.  My son doesn't understand why the neighbor kids at the ages 4,7 & 10 can watch batman/predator/terminator and that's our biggest struggle.  We've recently introduced comic books in hopes that it will satisfy the natural boyish desires for violence.  Overall, it's been okay. But I constantly am getting pissed at the neighbor kids - but don't want to over react to it and make it taboo for my son.   We always have to tell him he can't spend the night at their house in fear of what they might watch.   Thankfully, we have some home school friends that are more in line with feelings towards violence & the TV babysitter as us - so he gets to spend the night with some friends at least.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 16, 2012, 11:54:23 PM
I know no one wants to hear it, but violence on TV.  I'm not talking about a 13-20 year old kids, but kids from birth to roughly 12 being exposed to the kind of violence in prime time slots is ridiculous.  Some interesting stats:

Quote
Between 1998 and 2006:
Violence increased in every time slot:
    Violence during the 8:00 p.m. Family Hour has increased by 45%
    Violence during the 9:00 p.m. hour has increased by 92%
    Violence during the 10:00 p.m. hour has increased by 167%

ABC experienced the biggest increase in violent content overall.  In 1998, ABC averaged .93 instances of violence per hour during prime time.  By 2006, ABC was averaging 3.80 instances of violence per hour ? an increase of 309%.

Fox, the second-most violent network in 1998, experienced the smallest increase.  Fox averaged 3.43 instances of violence per hour in 1998 and 3.84 instances of violence per hour by 2006 ? an increase of only 12%.
More here:  http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reports/violencestudy/exsummary.asp

Honestly, when did nudity become taboo & violence become okay?  Movies can receive a PG13 people being brutally killed, but an R rating for consensual sex.  I'm not saying consensual sex should receive a PG13 - but as a parent, I'm much more comfortable with my kid watching a sex scene than watching someone brutally murdered.

Middle East censors are particularly hilarious about this extreme dichotomy. Skyfall was reduced to about an 85-minute fight scene (still good, btw).
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 17, 2012, 12:03:49 AM
Not paranoid my friend. Its reality. Name calling will not solve your low IQ on the Bilderbergs plan to institute a global government by collapsing us economically and posing a 1 world solution. I mean rockefellar admits it in his own book.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Screw this.  I'm going ex-pat.

Where you you move?

We have friends in Australia.  I'm going to start asking around.

You would probably enjoy it.  I would be interested in living in Chile FWIW.

Ooh. I do recommend chile. The food is disappointing and the people are kinda ugly (they got the Euro/Indio mix backwards), but other than that I loved living there. You can cook your own food and if you want to look at beautiful people, Argentina is just a bus ride away!

But that whole militaristic Ley de Cobre and the whole resultant destabilization of the Southern Cone (not to mention underlying racism against Bolivians and Peruvians) may dampen your utopian expat hopes a bit. But hey, it is not easy to walk away from ALL the Omelas. And great skiing just two hours from beautiful beach towns!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 17, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
But that whole militaristic Ley de Cobre and the whole resultant destabilization of the Southern Cone (not to mention underlying racism against Bolivians and Peruvians) may dampen your utopian expat hopes a bit.

expatting is great because you don't identify with the culture/political system/etc.  so negative crap mostly doesn't bother you.  at least for me.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 17, 2012, 12:21:45 AM
This is a great point. The more I live in a place, the more I usually love it's zaniness. True for Cairo, too. But if I was an actual Cairene, I can see being a little let down about how this whole thing is going.

Oh, and my Arabic tutor has some welts from rubber bullets and birdshot. I'll ask her opinion on them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 17, 2012, 12:30:00 AM
Does the killing of two Topeka police officers get put in this thread or do we start a new one every time people are needlessly killed by gun violence?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 12:31:57 AM
Does the killing of two Topeka police officers get put in this thread or do we start a new one every time people are needlessly killed by gun violence?

Police should have been packing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 17, 2012, 12:38:10 AM
Hey sys, there was a deadly shootout less than 1/2 mile from my house. Do I have an interest in banning all guns and related civil liberties yet? Does it need to be closer?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 17, 2012, 12:49:46 AM
Hey sys, there was a deadly shootout less than 1/2 mile from my house. Do I have an interest in banning all guns and related civil liberties yet? Does it need to be closer?

i never said that you don't have a (legitimate) interest in preventing gun violence, or even in preventing your neighbors from owning guns.  i've said that your interest in those things does not automatically supersede your neighbors' interest in owning guns.  it is a matter of weighing the costs and benefits to the individual and to society of allowing private ownership of guns (or anything else).  on the issue of guns, i've already made clear where i think the balance lies, so i won't bother to repeat myself.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 17, 2012, 01:33:00 AM
Hey sys, there was a deadly shootout less than 1/2 mile from my house. Do I have an interest in banning all guns and related civil liberties yet? Does it need to be closer?

i never said that you don't have a (legitimate) interest in preventing gun violence, or even in preventing your neighbors from owning guns.  i've said that your interest in those things does not automatically supersede your neighbors' interest in owning guns.  it is a matter of weighing the costs and benefits to the individual and to society of allowing private ownership of guns (or anything else).  on the issue of guns, i've already made clear where i think the balance lies, so i won't bother to repeat myself.

There isn't a net benefit to gun ownership, the negative externalities are outrageously huge. How outrageous you ask? No, you didn't ask that, you didn't need to. Guns are like cigarettes except you can stick 1 million of them in another person's mouth if you want.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 06:09:04 AM
We have a couple of rules in our house:

No violent TV or movies when the kids are awake
No toy weapons of any kind

If someone gets our kids a toy gun, it's going back to the store.  We've got sports crap and fake musical instruments out the wazoo, but not a single weapon.

I applaud you panj -  I don't even have cable in my house.   We do have bb guns & airsoft guns at the grandparents and will eventually introduce them in our house.  They are only used for target practice towards inanimate objects and are taught as a tool of skill.   Neighbor kids are just the opposite, so we constantly preach to our children that a gun, whether toy or something capable of firing projectiles should NOT be aimed at anything you do not intend to eat.  He'll play with the neighbor kids and play out imaginary war scenes and it's something that does bother us.  We try to limit it and talk about it afterwards and hope he's constructively using it as a coping mechanism for understanding violence.  My son doesn't understand why the neighbor kids at the ages 4,7 & 10 can watch batman/predator/terminator and that's our biggest struggle.  We've recently introduced comic books in hopes that it will satisfy the natural boyish desires for violence.  Overall, it's been okay. But I constantly am getting pissed at the neighbor kids - but don't want to over react to it and make it taboo for my son.   We always have to tell him he can't spend the night at their house in fear of what they might watch.   Thankfully, we have some home school friends that are more in line with feelings towards violence & the TV babysitter as us - so he gets to spend the night with some friends at least.

Weren't you the guy that claimed his kid couldn't read well because his teacher was shitty?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 06:49:48 AM
We have a couple of rules in our house:

No violent TV or movies when the kids are awake
No toy weapons of any kind

If someone gets our kids a toy gun, it's going back to the store.  We've got sports crap and fake musical instruments out the wazoo, but not a single weapon.

I applaud you panj -  I don't even have cable in my house.   We do have bb guns & airsoft guns at the grandparents and will eventually introduce them in our house.  They are only used for target practice towards inanimate objects and are taught as a tool of skill.   Neighbor kids are just the opposite, so we constantly preach to our children that a gun, whether toy or something capable of firing projectiles should NOT be aimed at anything you do not intend to eat.  He'll play with the neighbor kids and play out imaginary war scenes and it's something that does bother us.  We try to limit it and talk about it afterwards and hope he's constructively using it as a coping mechanism for understanding violence.  My son doesn't understand why the neighbor kids at the ages 4,7 & 10 can watch batman/predator/terminator and that's our biggest struggle.  We've recently introduced comic books in hopes that it will satisfy the natural boyish desires for violence.  Overall, it's been okay. But I constantly am getting pissed at the neighbor kids - but don't want to over react to it and make it taboo for my son.   We always have to tell him he can't spend the night at their house in fear of what they might watch.   Thankfully, we have some home school friends that are more in line with feelings towards violence & the TV babysitter as us - so he gets to spend the night with some friends at least.

Weren't you the guy that claimed his kid couldn't read well because his teacher was shitty?

Which is one of the reasons we decided to homeschool - but he's much better at reading now thank you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 07:06:22 AM
All I was saying is that most people learn to read before they go to school. It seems like you enjoy pointing the finger at others raising of their children a lot but when it hits home you are quick to pass the blame onto something outside your own home.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 07:25:39 AM
I don't even know how to respond to that.  Did i say the kids next door are going to turn into mass killers?  All I inferred is that it's a growing problem and some children cannot handle that - just as my kid couldn't handle the structure and "do it or else" attitude in classrooms.  All kids develop at different speeds and I would wager most kids don't understand rocket propulsion and how electrical circuits work at 4, but mine did.  So he couldn't read in kindergarten - lots of kids aren't developmentally ready to do so at that age.  Some aren't ready to read in the first or second grade, and maybe treating kids like there's something wrong with them if they can't is another thing that causes them to shut off from society and label themselves "bad kids"

eff you for flaming and suggesting things you know absolutely nothing about.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 08:39:35 AM
I don't even know how to respond to that.  Did i say the kids next door are going to turn into mass killers?  All I inferred is that it's a growing problem and some children cannot handle that - just as my kid couldn't handle the structure and "do it or else" attitude in classrooms.  All kids develop at different speeds and I would wager most kids don't understand rocket propulsion and how electrical circuits work at 4, but mine did.  So he couldn't read in kindergarten - lots of kids aren't developmentally ready to do so at that age.  Some aren't ready to read in the first or second grade, and maybe treating kids like there's something wrong with them if they can't is another thing that causes them to shut off from society and label themselves "bad kids"

eff you for flaming and suggesting things you know absolutely nothing about.

That wasn't flaming at all. I'm curious if your neighbor thinks it's flaming when you judge their kid's tv watching freedoms. I doubt they do. I'm guessing they just think you're weird.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
there is way less gun violence in the united states today then there was forty years ago. you know why? less people own actual real guns. shocking i know, but it seems to be the case that when tons of people have real guns that can shoot people, you tend to have more people with real guns actually shooting people. video games? violent shows? good grief you guys. it's a great big world out there. maybe spend some time talking to your kids about what's real and what's not and what's appropriate and what isn't and less time running around trying to shelter your kids from them. use them as a teaching tool. a jumping off point for dialogue if you want. have an honest conversation instead of just throwing a blanket over their eyes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 09:01:09 AM
video games? violent shows? good grief you guys. it's a great big world out there. maybe spend some time talking to your kids about what's real and what's not and what's appropriate and what isn't and less time running around trying to shelter your kids from them. use them as a teaching tool. a jumping off point for dialogue if you want. have an honest conversation instead of just throwing a blanket over their eyes.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 17, 2012, 09:01:59 AM
But Rick Daris if the kids are exposed to such things it will warp their minds and there is nothing we as parents can do after that. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 09:06:53 AM
hates cops, hates military, hates teachers.

loves guns.

something weird here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 09:10:48 AM
That wasn't flaming at all. I'm curious if your neighbor thinks it's flaming when you judge their kid's tv watching freedoms. I doubt they do. I'm guessing they just think you're weird.

I don’t know why you’re trying to derail the conversation from gun violence, but I’ll set the record straight so you can stop worrying about me.

 We pulled my kid out of school because he felt like a failure when he would get in trouble for not staying focused between tasks.  The teacher gave out worksheets/homework to kids in kindergarten and he was bored stiff filling out worksheets when he would rather have had hands on assignments – he would then get into trouble for not completing the work sheets because he’s the type of kid that questions authority when it’s hypocritical in nature. He went from a kid that wanted to know everything about everything to shutting down and withdrawing any time he felt like someone was trying to teach him anything.  He has reacquired the thirst for knowledge and again enjoys learning.  He reads at a level that is developmentally appropriate for his age – as a 1st grader – but his lack of reading before was not because his teacher was incapable of teaching him and we never believed that was the case; we felt she was a shitty teacher because the experience completely extinguished our sons desire to learn and make a rather bright kid feel stupid.  He was not an isolated case, more than one kid was either pulled from her class or began homeschooling.   Her 2nd year in, she is still developing this reputation.

Second of all – never in my life have I ever said anything judgmental in the presence of our neighbors for the way they raise their kids;  and they have no reason to think I judge their parenting abilities.  Our kids still play together and I’ve never attempt to “correct” my kid or theirs while they are doing so – not that “correcting” a kid is anything I would ever do. They may be able to get away with watching violent movies, but we cannot do that.  I was explaining the difficulties of raising a kid in an environment with limited exposure to violence.  I’m sure my neighbors do think I’m weird; but they think anyone is weird that doesn’t enjoy NASCAR and spend every penny they make on exotic birds & fish. 

If you have a counterpoint to violence on TV & video games and parents using TV & videogames as a babysitter, and how it may or may not affect violent tendencies when they grow up, I suggest you make it.  But personal attacks do not further this debate and only make you look like a tool.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 09:16:36 AM
video games? violent shows? good grief you guys. it's a great big world out there. maybe spend some time talking to your kids about what's real and what's not and what's appropriate and what isn't and less time running around trying to shelter your kids from them. use them as a teaching tool. a jumping off point for dialogue if you want. have an honest conversation instead of just throwing a blanket over their eyes.

Agree entirely - the point I was making is some parents DO NOT talk to their kids about violent films and some kids develop a closer personal relationship with fictional characters than they do their own parents.  Maybe the correlation to mass shootings & more violent TV is a reflection of a symptom to the larger problem. People that go on shooting rampages probably never had any positive influence in their life that wasn't on a TV or video game.   You're suggesting that until people can become better parents we should not enjoy the pleasure's of shooting or owning a gun.  I'm suggesting that until people become better parents, we should limit the violence on TV.  You not wanting to let go of violent TV is just as absurd as me not wanting to let go of guns. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 09:18:22 AM
please link where a dude walked into a school and killed 20 kids with dvd's.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 09:18:26 AM
hates cops, hates military, hates teachers. people that try to compensate for their insecurity by putting themselves in a place of authority - then pushes people around to make themselves feel better.

loves guns.

something weird here.

FYP
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 09:33:14 AM
That wasn't flaming at all. I'm curious if your neighbor thinks it's flaming when you judge their kid's tv watching freedoms. I doubt they do. I'm guessing they just think you're weird.

I don’t know why you’re trying to derail the conversation from gun violence, but I’ll set the record straight so you can stop worrying about me.

 We pulled my kid out of school because he felt like a failure when he would get in trouble for not staying focused between tasks.  The teacher gave out worksheets/homework to kids in kindergarten and he was bored stiff filling out worksheets when he would rather have had hands on assignments – he would then get into trouble for not completing the work sheets because he’s the type of kid that questions authority when it’s hypocritical in nature. He went from a kid that wanted to know everything about everything to shutting down and withdrawing any time he felt like someone was trying to teach him anything.  He has reacquired the thirst for knowledge and again enjoys learning.  He reads at a level that is developmentally appropriate for his age – as a 1st grader – but his lack of reading before was not because his teacher was incapable of teaching him and we never believed that was the case; we felt she was a shitty teacher because the experience completely extinguished our sons desire to learn and make a rather bright kid feel stupid.  He was not an isolated case, more than one kid was either pulled from her class or began homeschooling.   Her 2nd year in, she is still developing this reputation.

Second of all – never in my life have I ever said anything judgmental in the presence of our neighbors for the way they raise their kids;  and they have no reason to think I judge their parenting abilities.  Our kids still play together and I’ve never attempt to “correct” my kid or theirs while they are doing so – not that “correcting” a kid is anything I would ever do. They may be able to get away with watching violent movies, but we cannot do that.  I was explaining the difficulties of raising a kid in an environment with limited exposure to violence.  I’m sure my neighbors do think I’m weird; but they think anyone is weird that doesn’t enjoy NASCAR and spend every penny they make on exotic birds & fish. 

If you have a counterpoint to violence on TV & video games and parents using TV & videogames as a babysitter, and how it may or may not affect violent tendencies when they grow up, I suggest you make it.  But personal attacks do not further this debate and only make you look like a tool.

I know, you've been saying this entire thread that it's parenting and our society that is the problem, I was just pointing out that you are quick to judge perceived parenting failures but seem to have excuses that are completely outside of your control when it comes to your own children. it was the furthest thing from an attack. did the neighbors tell you what their kids watch? I'm guessing you heard that from your kid. I can assure you that your neighbor hears the same stuff from their kids in relation to your parenting.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 09:49:16 AM
That wasn't flaming at all. I'm curious if your neighbor thinks it's flaming when you judge their kid's tv watching freedoms. I doubt they do. I'm guessing they just think you're weird.

I don’t know why you’re trying to derail the conversation from gun violence, but I’ll set the record straight so you can stop worrying about me.

 We pulled my kid out of school because he felt like a failure when he would get in trouble for not staying focused between tasks.  The teacher gave out worksheets/homework to kids in kindergarten and he was bored stiff filling out worksheets when he would rather have had hands on assignments – he would then get into trouble for not completing the work sheets because he’s the type of kid that questions authority when it’s hypocritical in nature. He went from a kid that wanted to know everything about everything to shutting down and withdrawing any time he felt like someone was trying to teach him anything.  He has reacquired the thirst for knowledge and again enjoys learning.  He reads at a level that is developmentally appropriate for his age – as a 1st grader – but his lack of reading before was not because his teacher was incapable of teaching him and we never believed that was the case; we felt she was a shitty teacher because the experience completely extinguished our sons desire to learn and make a rather bright kid feel stupid.  He was not an isolated case, more than one kid was either pulled from her class or began homeschooling.   Her 2nd year in, she is still developing this reputation.

Second of all – never in my life have I ever said anything judgmental in the presence of our neighbors for the way they raise their kids;  and they have no reason to think I judge their parenting abilities.  Our kids still play together and I’ve never attempt to “correct” my kid or theirs while they are doing so – not that “correcting” a kid is anything I would ever do. They may be able to get away with watching violent movies, but we cannot do that.  I was explaining the difficulties of raising a kid in an environment with limited exposure to violence.  I’m sure my neighbors do think I’m weird; but they think anyone is weird that doesn’t enjoy NASCAR and spend every penny they make on exotic birds & fish. 

If you have a counterpoint to violence on TV & video games and parents using TV & videogames as a babysitter, and how it may or may not affect violent tendencies when they grow up, I suggest you make it.  But personal attacks do not further this debate and only make you look like a tool.

I know, you've been saying this entire thread that it's parenting and our society that is the problem, I was just pointing out that you are quick to judge your perceived parenting failures but seem to have excuses that are completely outside of your control when it comes to your own children. it was the furthest thing from an attack.

I'm sorry I perceived it as a personal attack.  I know I make mistakes as a parent, and I have never made an excuse for those failures -  so I don't see any of your questioning of how my principles and morals as a parent relate to this discussion.  Defending your own hypocrisy by pointing it out in others does erase your failures.

But back to the actual discussion, I am shocked that people aren't just as disturbed by all violence - and only want to talk about gun violence.  The very thought that gun violence is the only pertinent discussion allowed by the "get rid of guns" people, to me points out the bigger problem. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 09:57:24 AM
because guns are the natural place to start.  get rid of them, and then we'll see what we need to do next.

stop acting like people think getting rid of guns is going to magically cure all of the countries problems and nothing else will need to be done.

dragging your feet on this because you like to use instruments of death to blow up frisbees is just amplifying the problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 10:02:32 AM
I thought Dlew's suggestion about using only rubber bullets was interesting, but I'm not sure if that is a good idea. I think that could potentially increase gun-related fatalities in the US.

I just think that most people, even criminals or law-abiding people protecting their property, really do not want to take a life and will only use their gun as a last resort. If their gun is loaded up with rubber bullets, though, I don't think they would even hesitate to use it. Instead of a guy walking into a gas station and demanding that the clerk give him all the money out of the register, he might just shoot the clerk with a rubber bullet and then take the money when he's incapacitated. If somebody steals your wallet and you are packing a gun with rubber bullets, you probably would just shoot the guy in the back when he's running away, because he will probably survive, and you would like to have your wallet back.

I just think that legislation would create a shoot-first mentality, and while rubber bullets are far less fatal, the increased use would at the very least increase gun-related injuries, and might even increase deaths. They would make mass shootings far less tragic, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 10:02:46 AM
People should stop saying "guns" and qualify that with hand guns/assault rifles/high capacity magazines etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 10:04:09 AM
I am convinced that the full gun ban discussion is yet another example of the government not dealing with the real problem, but addressing the symptoms and hoping for the best.  The vast majority of kids these days are first introduced to guns or any violence via a TV/computer screen.  The line between reality and virtual is never set or learned.

Another underlying issue is rampant pill-popping.   Many parents are often pushed to fix a poorly disciplined child with pills. Some don’t have ADHD or are bipolar; they have poor parents.  What if parenting & behavior modification classes were forced to be an option?  I am assuming that with this shooter, medication was involved since there was mental illness.  I've had discussions with pediatricians that claim parents want a "magic pill" (easiest solution for them) to fix the problems, and get pissed when parenting & behavior modification classes were even suggested.  This whole pill-popping is a hotly-debated topic in the medical community, but when there's over 55 million prescriptions (accounting for over $8 billion annually in sales) for just ADHD, shouldn't the relationship be researched more in depth?   

Here's some links with some interesting points:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/antipsychotics-adhd-study_n_1760602.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444301704577631591596516110.html

 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 17, 2012, 10:05:26 AM
Does the killing of two Topeka police officers get put in this thread or do we start a new one every time people are needlessly killed by gun violence?

Police should have been packing.

that guy would have thought twice if he'd of known those cops had handguns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 10:06:22 AM
question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

I'll go first to break the ice

best:
guy from my town killed a deer with big horns
I shot 16 straight clay pigeons with a .410 shotgun in 8th grade

worst:
friend accidentally shot his foot off, complete dumbass
uncle shot himself in the head
guy in my HS class held up a convenience store with one

just thought of another one. some rough ridin' redneck in Waco pulled a handgun on me on our way to S. Padre when I was in college. scary as crap. can't believe I forgot about that earlier. I think I maybe cut him off in traffic earlier or something but he didn't really elaborate.

EDIT: that goes in the worst list fwiw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 10:08:14 AM
kids with adhd or any other such disorder have to learn to cope, parents/teachers and whoever else is in that child's life needs to teach them. None of those drugs aren't meant to be taken for extended periods of time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2012, 10:10:58 AM

there is currently less gun violence in the united states than there was thirty years ago. if anything, violent shows and games are helping by giving whacko nut jobs an outlet. so sorry dorks, but csi miami and grand theft auto isn't causing people to go shoot other people in real life. if anything, it's the opposite.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 17, 2012, 10:12:28 AM
I thought Dlew's suggestion about using only rubber bullets was interesting, but I'm not sure if that is a good idea. I think that could potentially increase gun-related fatalities in the US.

I just think that most people, even criminals or law-abiding people protecting their property, really do not want to take a life and will only use their gun as a last resort. If their gun is loaded up with rubber bullets, though, I don't think they would even hesitate to use it. Instead of a guy walking into a gas station and demanding that the clerk give him all the money out of the register, he might just shoot the clerk with a rubber bullet and then take the money when he's incapacitated. If somebody steals your wallet and you are packing a gun with rubber bullets, you probably would just shoot the guy in the back when he's running away, because he will probably survive, and you would like to have your wallet back.

I just think that legislation would create a shoot-first mentality, and while rubber bullets are far less fatal, the increased use would at the very least increase gun-related injuries, and might even increase deaths. They would make mass shootings far less tragic, though.

there would need to be a statutory regime in place that made the use of rubber bullets punishable in accordance with how they were to be used.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 10:13:42 AM
just thought of another one. some rough ridin' redneck in Waco pulled a handgun on me on our way to S. Padre when I was in college. scary as crap. can't believe I forgot about that earlier. I think I maybe cut him off in traffic earlier or something but he didn't really elaborate.

EDIT: that goes in the worst list fwiw

Are you sure it goes in the worst? It gave you a cool anecdote about soiling your pants.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
I thought Dlew's suggestion about using only rubber bullets was interesting, but I'm not sure if that is a good idea. I think that could potentially increase gun-related fatalities in the US.

I just think that most people, even criminals or law-abiding people protecting their property, really do not want to take a life and will only use their gun as a last resort. If their gun is loaded up with rubber bullets, though, I don't think they would even hesitate to use it. Instead of a guy walking into a gas station and demanding that the clerk give him all the money out of the register, he might just shoot the clerk with a rubber bullet and then take the money when he's incapacitated. If somebody steals your wallet and you are packing a gun with rubber bullets, you probably would just shoot the guy in the back when he's running away, because he will probably survive, and you would like to have your wallet back.

I just think that legislation would create a shoot-first mentality, and while rubber bullets are far less fatal, the increased use would at the very least increase gun-related injuries, and might even increase deaths. They would make mass shootings far less tragic, though.

there would need to be a statutory regime in place that made the use of rubber bullets punishable in accordance with how they were to be used.

Yeah. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but there would have to be a whole lot of well thought-out laws to go along with the rubber bullets. Sometimes it can be very easy for a well-intentioned regulation to have the opposite of the desired effect.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 10:25:05 AM

there is currently less gun violence in the united states than there was thirty years ago. if anything, violent shows and games are helping by giving whacko nut jobs an outlet. so sorry dorks, but csi miami and grand theft auto isn't causing people to go shoot other people in real life. if anything, it's the opposite.

Then we should just focus on preventing mass shootings, and not all encompassing regulations on guns.  The regs in place during this timeframe have obviously seen lower gun violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2012, 10:27:43 AM

there is currently less gun violence in the united states than there was thirty years ago. if anything, violent shows and games are helping by giving whacko nut jobs an outlet. so sorry dorks, but csi miami and grand theft auto isn't causing people to go shoot other people in real life. if anything, it's the opposite.

Then we should just focus on preventing mass shootings, and not all encompassing regulations on guns.  The regs in place during this timeframe have obviously seen lower gun violence.

i would argue that there is probably less gun violence because a lower percentage of the population currently owns a gun and not whatever dumb thing that you're trying to say.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 10:44:15 AM

there is currently less gun violence in the united states than there was thirty years ago. if anything, violent shows and games are helping by giving whacko nut jobs an outlet. so sorry dorks, but csi miami and grand theft auto isn't causing people to go shoot other people in real life. if anything, it's the opposite.

Then we should just focus on preventing mass shootings, and not all encompassing regulations on guns.  The regs in place during this timeframe have obviously seen lower gun violence.

i would argue that there is probably less gun violence because a lower percentage of the population currently owns a gun and not whatever dumb thing that you're trying to say.

Not really.   

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/07/21/the-declining-culture-of-guns-and-violence-in-the-united-states/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
I will go on record as saying I support helping kids and parents cope w/ ADHD without drugs, helping parents be better parents, stopping the drone strikes, and doing a better job dealing with all forms of mental illness.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 17, 2012, 11:22:35 AM
there is way less gun violence in the united states today then there was forty years ago. you know why? less people own actual real guns. shocking i know, but it seems to be the case that when tons of people have real guns that can shoot people, you tend to have more people with real guns actually shooting people. video games? violent shows? good grief you guys. it's a great big world out there. maybe spend some time talking to your kids about what's real and what's not and what's appropriate and what isn't and less time running around trying to shelter your kids from them. use them as a teaching tool. a jumping off point for dialogue if you want. have an honest conversation instead of just throwing a blanket over their eyes.

Agree with all of this but am still trying to figure out what age we start exposing them to it so they can properly engage in said dialogue.

That's kind of a moving target (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2012, 11:37:34 AM

there is currently less gun violence in the united states than there was thirty years ago. if anything, violent shows and games are helping by giving whacko nut jobs an outlet. so sorry dorks, but csi miami and grand theft auto isn't causing people to go shoot other people in real life. if anything, it's the opposite.

Then we should just focus on preventing mass shootings, and not all encompassing regulations on guns.  The regs in place during this timeframe have obviously seen lower gun violence.

i would argue that there is probably less gun violence because a lower percentage of the population currently owns a gun and not whatever dumb thing that you're trying to say.

Not really.   

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/07/21/the-declining-culture-of-guns-and-violence-in-the-united-states/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

i'm curious as to what you think i'm saying and what those links said.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2012, 11:37:58 AM
I will go on record as saying I support helping kids and parents cope w/ ADHD without drugs, helping parents be better parents, stopping the drone strikes, and doing a better job dealing with all forms of mental illness.

yeah. those things sound great.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 11:41:27 AM
I will go on record as saying I support helping kids and parents cope w/ ADHD without drugs, helping parents be better parents, stopping the drone strikes, and doing a better job dealing with all forms of mental illness.

Yes, all things we should support
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 17, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
Onion clowns gun nuts:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/right-to-own-handheld-device-that-shoots-deadly-me,30742/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 17, 2012, 11:54:19 AM
I'm not caught up on this thread.  Are you guys actually suggesting taking away guns people already own?   Cuz that's not going to happen. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 11:58:18 AM
Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 12:11:04 PM

there is currently less gun violence in the united states than there was thirty years ago. if anything, violent shows and games are helping by giving whacko nut jobs an outlet. so sorry dorks, but csi miami and grand theft auto isn't causing people to go shoot other people in real life. if anything, it's the opposite.

Then we should just focus on preventing mass shootings, and not all encompassing regulations on guns.  The regs in place during this timeframe have obviously seen lower gun violence.

i would argue that there is probably less gun violence because a lower percentage of the population currently owns a gun and not whatever dumb thing that you're trying to say.

Not really.   

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/07/21/the-declining-culture-of-guns-and-violence-in-the-united-states/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

i'm curious as to what you think i'm saying and what those links said.


Quote from: rick daris
i would argue that there is probably less gun violence because a lower percentage of the population currently owns a gun

From 1991 to 2010, the violent crime rate and murder rate dropped almost 50%, while self-reporting gun ownership decreased around 8%.  What about the guns being readily accessible to non-owners?  The NRA reports that there are 80 to 90 million registered gun owners in the nation (forget the unregistered people who had guns inherited/private sale, etc. and people in states like Utah).  The Census Bureau estimates 120 million households in the U.S.  These numbers illustrate the possibility of an even higher percentage of the population with access to a gun, all the while, violence dropped substantially.

Look, my main point after reading this thread is that to decrease the possibility of mass shootings, we need to look at the root cause, not incorporate all-encompassing gun regulations.  More gun control is not the solution to the problem, it's addressing the symptom and hoping for the best.         
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 12:15:52 PM
nobody has said we shouldn't do whatever we can to address all the causes of all violence. what people are saying is that gun violence is a problem and the availability of handguns and assault weapons to anyone who wants one is part of that problem and should be addressed. all the gun people are doing is defending guns, not supplying other solutions that address their perceived other causes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2012, 12:16:17 PM
Ironic . . . people within the administrative infrastructure of the world's largest arms dealer, engaged in exporting billions of dollars in weapons world wide every single year.   Weapons used to kill 1000's and threaten millions . . . are talking about banning gun sales in the United States.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 12:17:41 PM
Ironic . . . people within the administrative infrastructure of the world's largest arms dealer, engaged in exporting billions of dollars in weapons world wide every single year.   Weapons used to kill 1000's and threaten millions . . . are talking about banning gun sales in the United States.

that's not irony alanis
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 17, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Ironic . . . people within the administrative infrastructure of the world's largest arms dealer, engaged in exporting billions of dollars in weapons world wide every single year.   Weapons used to kill 1000's and threaten millions . . . are talking about banning gun sales in the United States.

that's not irony alanis

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2012, 12:18:56 PM
Ironic . . . people within the administrative infrastructure of the world's largest arms dealer, engaged in exporting billions of dollars in weapons world wide every single year.   Weapons used to kill 1000's and threaten millions . . . are talking about banning gun sales in the United States.

that's not irony alanis

Okay . . . reality, try that one.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2012, 12:23:11 PM
Expansive Gun Control in Mexico . . . how's that working out?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
there is way less gun violence in the united states today then there was forty years ago. you know why? less people own actual real guns. shocking i know, but it seems to be the case that when tons of people have real guns that can shoot people, you tend to have more people with real guns actually shooting people. video games? violent shows? good grief you guys. it's a great big world out there. maybe spend some time talking to your kids about what's real and what's not and what's appropriate and what isn't and less time running around trying to shelter your kids from them. use them as a teaching tool. a jumping off point for dialogue if you want. have an honest conversation instead of just throwing a blanket over their eyes.

Agree with all of this but am still trying to figure out what age we start exposing them to it so they can properly engage in said dialogue.

That's kind of a moving target (no pun intended).

my opinion would be that the time to start having the conversation is when the child is actually old enough to have a conversation. for most kids that's probably around 4.

again and this is just me personally, but i'd far rather have my child grow up thinking that it's completely normal to have a fake toy gun and watch an occasional fake violent show then to lump those things in with real guns and real violence and act like they're all bad and should be avoided or that they're all even similar in some way. like draw a freaking line in the sand. one is real and kills people and one is fake and doesn't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 12:42:52 PM
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/sandy-hook-shootings-prompt-bloomberg-politicians-to-seek-tough-new-gun-laws-enforcement-1.4339196 (http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/sandy-hook-shootings-prompt-bloomberg-politicians-to-seek-tough-new-gun-laws-enforcement-1.4339196)

Good start.

Extend ban to new handguns larger than than .22 caliber, clips larger than 6 cartridges for all guns, increase wait time for all guns to 4 weeks and increase depth of background checks to include people living at same address as person applying.
Make mandatory education and certification courses for any person wishing to purchases a firearms.
Mandatory Reporting laws should be expanded to include any threats to act out in violence.
Gun shows should be held to the same standard as any other firearms dealer.
Registration of all firearms should be required and kept up to date.

Just a few things that just need to be done, so shut up gun nuts and lets get this done.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 12:48:41 PM
there is way less gun violence in the united states today then there was forty years ago. you know why? less people own actual real guns. shocking i know, but it seems to be the case that when tons of people have real guns that can shoot people, you tend to have more people with real guns actually shooting people. video games? violent shows? good grief you guys. it's a great big world out there. maybe spend some time talking to your kids about what's real and what's not and what's appropriate and what isn't and less time running around trying to shelter your kids from them. use them as a teaching tool. a jumping off point for dialogue if you want. have an honest conversation instead of just throwing a blanket over their eyes.

Agree with all of this but am still trying to figure out what age we start exposing them to it so they can properly engage in said dialogue.

That's kind of a moving target (no pun intended).

my opinion would be that the time to start having the conversation is when the child is actually old enough to have a conversation. for most kids that's probably around 4.

again and this is just me personally, but i'd far rather have my child grow up thinking that it's completely normal to have a fake toy gun and watch an occasional fake violent show then to lump those things in with real guns and real violence and act like they're all bad or that they're all even similar in some way. like draw a freaking line in the sand. one is real and kills people and one is fake and doesn't.

Yeah, I never understood the whole sheltering thing.  I'm not saying that I'm going to sit my kid down and have him watch "The Expendables" with me at four years old, but it is probably better to be realistic about the world.  I played "cowboys and indians" "cops and robbers" and "war," my kid plays with toy guns.  It's fun.  The overprotective attitudes of a lot of parents baffle me.  Whatever works for them I guess, but I'll pass.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
nobody has said we shouldn't do whatever we can to address all the causes of all violence. what people are saying is that gun violence is a problem and the availability of handguns and assault weapons to anyone who wants one is part of that problem and should be addressed. all the gun people are doing is defending guns, not supplying other solutions that address their perceived other causes.

All I've tried to say is it would have very little effect if any at all. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 12:58:08 PM
nobody has said we shouldn't do whatever we can to address all the causes of all violence. what people are saying is that gun violence is a problem and the availability of handguns and assault weapons to anyone who wants one is part of that problem and should be addressed. all the gun people are doing is defending guns, not supplying other solutions that address their perceived other causes.

All I've tried to say is it would have very little effect if any at all.

Yes, that's what my post says
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 17, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Absolutely not.  If anything, we can/should increase the number of trained law enforcement staff at schools (all levels) that are trained in situations that would require the use of a firearm. 

Never, under ANY circumstance should a teacher have a gun.  That sends so many wrong messages and puts the power of life and death in the hands of an underpaid, overworked school teacher.

The answer to the gun problem may not be easily identifiable, but it most certainly isn't arming more people that have no business being armed in the first place.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 01:07:22 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 01:09:05 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 01:10:13 PM
Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

I would imagine that if schools, malls, college campuses, were not "gun free zones" that fewer psychopaths would see them as such inviting targets for their deeds.  I would also imagine that if responsible certified adults in these places were more likely to have guns that mall and school shootings would have a lower loss of life than they currently do.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 01:10:17 PM
Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Absolutely not.  If anything, we can/should increase the number of trained law enforcement staff at schools (all levels) that are trained in situations that would require the use of a firearm. 

Never, under ANY circumstance should a teacher have a gun.  That sends so many wrong messages and puts the power of life and death in the hands of an underpaid, overworked school teacher.

The answer to the gun problem may not be easily identifiable, but it most certainly isn't arming more people that have no business being armed in the first place.

I agree with the law enforcement point. But trained and tested teachers could and would protect children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 01:11:23 PM
yeah, states have all kinds of money to arm and train teachers with weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 01:11:30 PM
Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

I would imagine that if schools, malls, college campuses, were not "gun free zones" that fewer psychopaths would see them as such inviting targets for their deeds.  I would also imagine that if responsible certified adults in these places were more likely to have guns that mall and school shootings would have a lower loss of life than they currently do.

I'm certain they dont give a crap one way or another. These are just places where there is alot of people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
The only reason I brought up TV & video games is for the parents that don't talk to their kids.  What bothers me are people that use TV as a babysitter for their kids and have no actual relationship or any discussion with them. 

And here's the irony - I've been saying the entire thread that this was a parenting issue. People were quick to dismiss that and say, "we can't just fix parenting, we have to remove guns" When I offer: "we can't fix parenting, maybe we could tone down the violence and focus on mental health."  I'm told, that's ridiculous - parents need to talk to their kids to discern between right & wrong.   WTF ever... I give up talking to you people.

I'll summarize my thoughts once more. I personally feel that in instances such as this last week, the person is planning a large event to kill people and will use whatever tools available to do so. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of methods to create equal or worse damage - that may not be as easily available for some people - but may be easier to get a hold of for others.  Restricting guns will not stop what happened last week.  The only situation I can see where gun restrictions might help are crimes of passion.  Regardless of what anyone says, there are instances of guns being a successful means of self defense. You remove more civil liberties - people will rebel at a higher frequency.  I wouldn't be surprised if harsh or extreme gun laws being passed wouldn't start a path towards anarchy - which is why a knee jerk/emotional response to this feels really dangerous.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 01:14:36 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 01:16:02 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 01:19:08 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

Show me proof....If I had a choice there would be no guns in the world, period. I do not own one and I certainly don't care about anyone's right to own one. I do however believe that no law is going to stop a psychopathic killer from getting one. If these people gave a damn about laws they wouldn't kill anyone in the first place....If you want to ban guns all you have to do is look to the war on drugs to see how well it will work. I seriously do not understand the naivety of gun banning proponents.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 01:19:32 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Any assault weapons and clip reduction legislation has to include to make it illegal resell them or otherwise transfer ownership outside of estate or direct immediate family. That is a no brainier. Also they need to make sure to ban the sale of kits to convert non-assault style guns into assault style guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 17, 2012, 01:22:41 PM
Gun Control will lead to civil unrest imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
The only reason I brought up TV & video games is for the parents that don't talk to their kids.  What bothers me are people that use TV as a babysitter for their kids and have no actual relationship or any discussion with them. 

And here's the irony - I've been saying the entire thread that this was a parenting issue. People were quick to dismiss that and say, "we can't just fix parenting, we have to remove guns" When I offer: "we can't fix parenting, maybe we could tone down the violence and focus on mental health."  I'm told, that's ridiculous - parents need to talk to their kids to discern between right & wrong.   WTF ever... I give up talking to you people.

I'll summarize my thoughts once more. I personally feel that in instances such as this last week, the person is planning a large event to kill people and will use whatever tools available to do so. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of methods to create equal or worse damage - that may not be as easily available for some people - but may be easier to get a hold of for others.  Restricting guns will not stop what happened last week.  The only situation I can see where gun restrictions might help are crimes of passion.  Regardless of what anyone says, there are instances of guns being a successful means of self defense. You remove more civil liberties - people will rebel at a higher frequency.  I wouldn't be surprised if harsh or extreme gun laws being passed wouldn't start a path towards anarchy - which is why a knee jerk/emotional response to this feels really dangerous.


I agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 17, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
The only reason I brought up TV & video games is for the parents that don't talk to their kids.  What bothers me are people that use TV as a babysitter for their kids and have no actual relationship or any discussion with them. 

And here's the irony - I've been saying the entire thread that this was a parenting issue. People were quick to dismiss that and say, "we can't just fix parenting, we have to remove guns" When I offer: "we can't fix parenting, maybe we could tone down the violence and focus on mental health."  I'm told, that's ridiculous - parents need to talk to their kids to discern between right & wrong.   WTF ever... I give up talking to you people.

I'll summarize my thoughts once more. I personally feel that in instances such as this last week, the person is planning a large event to kill people and will use whatever tools available to do so. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of methods to create equal or worse damage - that may not be as easily available for some people - but may be easier to get a hold of for others.  Restricting guns will not stop what happened last week.  The only situation I can see where gun restrictions might help are crimes of passion.  Regardless of what anyone says, there are instances of guns being a successful means of self defense. You remove more civil liberties - people will rebel at a higher frequency.  I wouldn't be surprised if harsh or extreme gun laws being passed wouldn't start a path towards anarchy - which is why a knee jerk/emotional response to this feels really dangerous.


I agree with all of this.
Me to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 01:25:27 PM
Gun Control will lead to civil unrest imo.

Gun ban would, no doubt in my mind but sensible gun regulation as I outlined supported by the NRA and the Brady people alike will not other than a few extreme nutj obs that should most likely not have the guns they are going to try and kill over in the first place.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 01:26:31 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

It isn't feasible because the vast majority of firearms aren't registered and have no record of ownership.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 01:27:02 PM
texas people are suggesting armed teams of volunteer parents roaming the halls, keeping the kids safe.   :users:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on December 17, 2012, 01:29:52 PM
texas people are suggesting armed teams of volunteer parents roaming the halls, keeping the kids safe.   :users:
campus police sound better.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 01:36:04 PM
texas people are suggesting armed teams of volunteer parents roaming the halls, keeping the kids safe.   :users:
campus police sound better.

aren't the police just the thug arm of the bilderbergs?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 01:36:32 PM
texas people are suggesting armed teams of volunteer parents roaming the halls, keeping the kids safe.   :users:

People want to protect their children, and the government is currently failing at that. It may be extreme but I see their reasoning behind it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
My sister's school district had SRO's at every middle and high school for years now the middle school guys share schools due to budget cuts.  I think elementary schools always have had SRO's share.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
I would immediately pull my kids out of any school that had volunteer parents patrolling the halls with guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 17, 2012, 01:41:16 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

Won't work there are thousands of people walking around that fit the profile but never take the next step.  How would you differentiate between them?  I am in favor of taking hand guns, large capacity mags, and assault rifles off the shelves of dealers. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 01:43:36 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 01:47:59 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 01:48:26 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

Good ideas there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 01:50:27 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

And treat mental illness.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 01:51:16 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

And treat mental illness.

yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 01:54:26 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

I would be for that, but like every thing else that is ear marked for schools it would get siphoned away to something else.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 17, 2012, 01:54:54 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

What sane person would want to be the one to go tell Billy Bob in Arkansas that he has to give up his guns?? There will be blood, oh there will be blood
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 01:55:41 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

What sane person would want to be the one to go tell Billy Bob in Arkansas that he has to give up his guns?? There will be blood, oh there will be blood

we could get rid of a lot of psycho's under that scenario.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

All guns not registered, destroyed. All guns not current on taxes confiscated and held until taxes and a fine are paid. If if not paid in 30 days, destroyed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:04:48 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

a sin tax on guns to help fund things to get gun out of the bad people is a good idea. A yearly tax would encourage too many people to buy black market guns. Existing guns should see a voluntary registration and ban the sales of guns that are not registered to owner in national database. Ban sales between two parties that are not licensed, regulated gun dealers. Basically, unless a firearm can be traced and verified to a owner it can not be sold ever.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:09:57 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 02:14:55 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2012, 02:16:01 PM
UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 02:17:39 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

Have an amnesty buy back period after which any guns are in violation. I wouldn't go looking for people's guns but if they are found during other activities they would be confiscated and prosecuted/fined. 

What's a few billion dollars these days anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:17:53 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 02:18:39 PM
UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun.

Is it also bulletproof? Apparently this guy blasted through the locked entryway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

I'm glad you're not in favor of it, because it would end badly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:21:59 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2012, 02:22:44 PM
UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun.

Is it also bulletproof? Apparently this guy blasted through the locked entryway.

Yeah, I don't know.  Email doesn't state one way or the other.  I doubt it though.  Ours is like most schools.  Multiple entries with floor to celing(or at least door height) glass as well as a lot of similar sized windows on a lot of the class rooms along the exterior walls as well as the cafeteria.  The investment to make that change would be huge.

Still better than an open swinging door, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

Have an amnesty buy back period after which any guns are in violation. I wouldn't go looking for people's guns but if they are found during other activities they would be confiscated and prosecuted/fined. 

What's a few billion dollars these days anyway.

This would make sense.  I don't agree with it, but it would probably be the best course of action if a ban was implemented.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ben ji on December 17, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun.

Is it also bulletproof? Apparently this guy blasted through the locked entryway.

I think Sandy Hook had one of these setup and he blasted through a window.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:27:45 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

and I think you are a idiot for thinking that a person watching a person shoot other people would remember to check down range for clean shots, proper trigger squeeze, and a multitude of other things taught in any gun defense course. Hell a lot of cops and well train solders have these issues. You can train for a situation all you want, but until the bullets fly you don't know jack how people behind a gun will react. And yes I have had training, proper training and I would never take a life unless it is the only option.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 02:28:05 PM
Saw a study that armed a person in a classroom when a gunman entered and it was not effective at all.  Even with trained shooters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:28:45 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

Yes, I am. Some of you seem to think that just because they are teachers that they are incapable of doing what millions of police officers and military members do. Anyone can be trained to use a gun to defend themselves and others.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:30:47 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

Yes, I am. Some of you seem to think that just because they are teachers that they are incapable of doing what millions of police officers and military members do. Anyone can be trained to use a gun to defend themselves and others.

I don't even...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:32:18 PM
Another important thing that needs to be addressed is we need laws and severe punishment for existing sets of laws that hold registered owners of guns responsible if there firearms are used in a crime or involved in a shooting incident (kid shooting himself with a loaded, unlocked gun for instance). Owning a firearm should not be a lackadaisical thing. It should be a very serious and important responsibility.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
Another important thing that needs to be addressed is we need laws and severe punishment for existing sets of laws that hold registered owners of guns responsible if there firearms are used in a crime or involved in a shooting incident (kid shooting himself with a loaded, unlocked gun for instance). Owning a firearm should not be a lackadaisical thing. It should be a very serious and important responsibility.

good point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:33:12 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

and I think you are a idiot for thinking that a person watching a person shoot other people would remember to check down range for clean shots, proper trigger squeeze, and a multitude of other things taught in any gun defense course. Hell a lot of cops and well train solders have these issues. You can train for a situation all you want, but until the bullets fly you don't know jack how people behind a gun will react. And yes I have had training, proper training and I would never take a life unless it is the only option.

I think you are an idiot for believing the better alternative is to give them no way of defending themselves so they can just sit there and die like good defenseless ducks. I'll take the chance that a trained person can shoot an attacker over not being able to do anything at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:34:28 PM

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

Yes, I am. Some of you seem to think that just because they are teachers that they are incapable of doing what millions of police officers and military members do. Anyone can be trained to use a gun to defend themselves and others.

I don't even...

I could say the same.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:35:18 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:35:52 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

yes, obviously. fund them with gun tax money as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 02:36:47 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:39:08 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I thought just about all schools already had them. My high school got one after Columbine and that was just some podunk Kansas town.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

Not a terrible idea.

and if a person becomes unable to handle the responsibility to handle a firearm, take away their license.

This license would be required to ammunition ammunition as well. Also I bet with todays tech would could start serial numbering shell casings and maybe even bullets themselves and with the license requirements you could trace bullets back to the owners, not just the guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 02:40:44 PM
Imma start sketching up an autonomous school defense robot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:42:18 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.

like, every year you have to show up at the police station or whatever and take your gun test. you also have to have all of your guns with you for your yearly registration and tax payment for each gun. if you are ever caught with a non-registered gun you lose your gun license and all of your guns are confiscated. guns cannot be sold by private parties. all transactions have to go through a registered and licensed gun dealer. all assault weapons, large capacity guns, etc. are illegal and confiscated through some sort of amnesty thing like was mentioned above. if you are caught with one you lose your gun license for life and all other guns are confiscated. the gun tax money funds mental health, security measures, etc. if a gun registered to you is used in any crime or accidental shooting you are fined and lose your gun owning license.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:44:11 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

Homeschooling or internet classrooms would be better options than arming teachers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

I think it's a stupid idea because we already have a hard time getting qualified people to want to be teachers in this country. Believe it or not, but having the responsibility of carrying an armed gun at work is a turn off for most people. There is also the aspect of having kids growing up in a school system that is full of guns. At some point, the methods of prevention are just not worth the miniscule risk they alleviate. I would rather start a second Civil War taking the guns out of Joe Bob and Cletus' dead hands than force kids into that kind of environment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:45:17 PM
Imma start sketching up an autonomous school defense robot.

I honestly think that's what's going to end up happening eventually. Not necessarily a robot, but some sort of defense technology for school attacks. Maybe some sort of alarm, which if activated could set off some sort of completely disorientating noises, lights etc...anything at all that could potentially slow down or stop an attacker, and give the students time to get to safety or hide.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:45:34 PM
Imma start sketching up an autonomous school defense robot.

Did you not watch Robocop. That is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
Another important thing that needs to be addressed is we need laws and severe punishment for existing sets of laws that hold registered owners of guns responsible if there firearms are used in a crime or involved in a shooting incident (kid shooting himself with a loaded, unlocked gun for instance). Owning a firearm should not be a lackadaisical thing. It should be a very serious and important responsibility.

Yeah man, that is where I'm at.

I disagree with many of you on people's right to bear arms (of any kind), but agree that heavy sanctions should be in place for violators.

At 18 people are allowed to register for gun ownership, concealed carry, open carry, etc.   
They have to get training, background check, etc.
Any history of violence or aggression towards other = no guns
If they use guns for any unsavory purposes = heavy penalties and incarceration an no guns upon release

I would also do away with no gun zones.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

Homeschooling or internet classrooms would be better options than arming teachers.

I agree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:47:58 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

I think it's a stupid idea because we already have a hard time getting qualified people to want to be teachers in this country. Believe it or not, but having the responsibility of carrying an armed gun at work is a turn off for most people. There is also the aspect of having kids growing up in a school system that is full of guns. At some point, the methods of prevention are just not worth the miniscule risk they alleviate. I would rather start a second Civil War taking the guns out of Joe Bob and Cletus' dead hands than force kids into that kind of environment.

That's why you only take volunteers, and then evaluate them and train them.  I'm certain there would be a small handful of teachers at every school that would be up to the task.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 17, 2012, 02:48:22 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I thought just about all schools already had them. My high school got one after Columbine and that was just some podunk Kansas town.

The high school I went to has random drug/firearms searches of the parking lot by a canine unit.  The first time several kids  got warnings for having shotguns/rifles in their vehicles plus one pothead was charged.  I have not heard of any instances after that.  The school very small town also.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 02:48:38 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

I think it's a stupid idea because we already have a hard time getting qualified people to want to be teachers in this country. Believe it or not, but having the responsibility of carrying an armed gun at work is a turn off for most people. There is also the aspect of having kids growing up in a school system that is full of guns. At some point, the methods of prevention are just not worth the miniscule risk they alleviate. I would rather start a second Civil War taking the guns out of Joe Bob and Cletus' dead hands than force kids into that kind of environment.

I agree with this.  I think a better solution would be to allow teachers, as citizens to apply for concealed carry, and to do away with laws prohibiting them from carrying in school.  That way you wouldn't force people to do something they don't want to do, and the people who actually had the guns would be more likely to be comfortable with them in the first place. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

Thats why I said that these resource officers (what they called them at MHS) should not be the off the beat guys, but the best officers in the force. I think the guy we had when I was there was there because he sucked at being an officer. (Not Officer George that guy was cool)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 02:52:55 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I thought just about all schools already had them. My high school got one after Columbine and that was just some podunk Kansas town.

The school district in my town has 1 law enforcement officer at the high school and 1 at the Jr. High. But none at any of the five elementary schools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 02:53:07 PM
Our SRO got arrested for beating up his wife.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 17, 2012, 02:55:08 PM
I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

What about the kids in the hallways when the lock down happens?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

there are panic buttons in most offices at the University of Nebraska
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 02:55:25 PM
should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

And treat mental illness.

yes

I would be fine with this

/thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:56:44 PM
I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

What about the kids in the hallways when the lock down happens?

Or the class room the guy is in as well. I don't have good feeling about them as well but would think it would limit that losses to just once classroom or if lucky enough to that hallway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 17, 2012, 02:56:55 PM
I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

I think so. Don't know how much it would cost, but at this point I don't care. I think every measure to protect the kids should be taken.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

there are panic buttons in most offices at the University of Nebraska

I know I was not the only person to think of this. Good to know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 02:57:59 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

Thats why I said that these resource officers (what they called them at MHS) should not be the off the beat guys, but the best officers in the force. I think the guy we had when I was there was there because he sucked at being an officer. (Not Officer George that guy was cool)

Yah, take the best officers off of the streets to read newspapers and be the prevention for one shooting every ten years at one school out of 100,000.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 02:59:29 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

Thats why I said that these resource officers (what they called them at MHS) should not be the off the beat guys, but the best officers in the force. I think the guy we had when I was there was there because he sucked at being an officer. (Not Officer George that guy was cool)

Yah, take the best officers off of the streets to read newspapers and be the prevention for one shooting every ten years at one school out of 100,000.   

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 03:00:20 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 03:01:01 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 03:03:18 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 03:04:44 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:06:19 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 17, 2012, 03:07:43 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party  :frown:

Grants payed for by a sin tax on firearms. Easy. Hell this is from me, a conservative. That is a tax I would enjoy paying.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 03:10:23 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on December 17, 2012, 03:11:18 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party  :frown:

Grants payed for by a sin tax on firearms. Easy. Hell this is from me, a conservative. That is a tax I would enjoy paying.

Meanwhile, just down the street, a mentally ill shooter is mowing down 15 men/women/children at a bank, a doctor's office, theater, walking down the street, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party  :frown:

Grants payed for by a sin tax on firearms. Easy. Hell this is from me, a conservative. That is a tax I would enjoy paying.

Meanwhile, just down the street, a mentally ill shooter is mowing down 15 men/women/children at a bank, a doctor's office, theater, walking down the street, etc.

your argument isn't really supporting the side you think it is fwiw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2012, 03:13:57 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.

like, every year you have to show up at the police station or whatever and take your gun test. you also have to have all of your guns with you for your yearly registration and tax payment for each gun. if you are ever caught with a non-registered gun you lose your gun license and all of your guns are confiscated. guns cannot be sold by private parties. all transactions have to go through a registered and licensed gun dealer. all assault weapons, large capacity guns, etc. are illegal and confiscated through some sort of amnesty thing like was mentioned above. if you are caught with one you lose your gun license for life and all other guns are confiscated. the gun tax money funds mental health, security measures, etc. if a gun registered to you is used in any crime or accidental shooting you are fined and lose your gun owning license.

I like this. It doesn't take away a civil liberty, but it seems to regulate with a little common sense. Especially the responsibility for ownership. We hold adults responsible if they sell alcohol to kids, do we do the same for gun owners who sell/let guns fall into the hands of thugs and criminals*? Don't know, but probably not enough.

*reference to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 03:14:47 PM
damn it guys; SD pitched the sin-tax idea.  The guy everyone here thinks is a lunatic gun nut, Me, thinks it's a good idea.

We solved this problem - time to move on to some other horrible thing.

/THREAD.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2012, 03:16:10 PM
Our SRO got arrested for beating up his wife.

Not standing up for that piece of trash, but I guarantee you know someone from work, school, church, etc that abuses the hell out of his wife in some way and that you have no idea of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

The last guy I know that signed up for the police did so because he had a fantasy of wearing his uniform/taking his badge into bars and having women fall all over him.  Not kidding.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 03:18:33 PM
 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:19:16 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?

One of these things infringes on liberty. One of these things does not. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 03:20:11 PM
Our SRO got arrested for beating up his wife.

Not standing up for that piece of trash, but I guarantee you know someone from work, school, church, etc that abuses the hell out of his wife in some way and that you have no idea of.

I know. Not generalizing or knocking SRO's at all. Just an interesting (to me) anecdote that really has no relevance to this discussion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?

One of these things infringes on liberty. One of these things does not.

stupid talking point. every law infringes on your liberty to do what is illegal. liberties that can't be propertly handled must be taken away for the greater good of society.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 03:23:28 PM
http://gawker.com/5968807/down-with-big-gun (http://gawker.com/5968807/down-with-big-gun)

interesting take on another angle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 03:27:27 PM
I think the best solution would be to repeal the 2nd amendment and just take the guns off the street. That's not happening in my lifetime, though, so I think we should set gun control policy based upon the facts of previous mass shootings.

1. Most school shootings are perpetrated by students. You should have to be 21 to own or use a firearm of any kind. There are too many kids who are not mentally ready to hold life and death in their hands.

2. Gun owners should be required to lock their guns in a heavy duty safe that cannot be removed from their property. If your gun is used to commit a murder, you should face a charge similar to murder yourself. Keeping your combination or key from your kids is your responsibility.

3. The gun tax is a good idea.

4. You should not be able to have a gun that fires more than 6 shots in a single clip. Also, no automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

As long as guns exist, there will be gun-related violence. I think there is a lot that can be done to curb that violence, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 03:28:55 PM
I think the best solution would be to repeal the 2nd amendment and just take the guns off the street. That's not happening in my lifetime, though, so I think we should set gun control policy based upon the facts of previous mass shootings.

1. Most school shootings are perpetrated by students. You should have to be 21 to own or use a firearm of any kind. There are too many kids who are not mentally ready to hold life and death in their hands.

2. Gun owners should be required to lock their guns in a heavy duty safe that cannot be removed from their property. If your gun is used to commit a murder, you should face a charge similar to murder yourself. Keeping your combination or key from your kids is your responsibility.

3. The gun tax is a good idea.

4. You should not be able to have a gun that fires more than 6 shots in a single clip. Also, no automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

As long as guns exist, there will be gun-related violence. I think there is a lot that can be done to curb that violence, though.

agree with all of this. good post.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:30:17 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?

One of these things infringes on liberty. One of these things does not.

stupid talking point. every law infringes on your liberty to do what is illegal. liberties that can't be propertly handled must be taken away for the greater good of society.

no, it's not a stupid talking point.  we don't have the the right to infringe on anyone else's liberty. it is the basis, or is supposed to be the basis, of every law in this country.  that is why you can own a gun, but you can't murder people. you can own a knife but you can't go around stabbing people. you can own a car but you can't go around running people over, driving drunk or operating it in such a way that infringes on the safety and liberty of others.

I won't deny that there are laws out there(that shouldn't be) that take away liberties that otherwise people would and should have. 

the whole point of liberty is to protect the minority against what others, even a majority, and even those in power say is or isn't for the greater good of society.  We don't live in a country of mob rule, or at least we aren't supposed to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 03:31:10 PM
sd, in addition to your proposed changes:

get the guns out of the house.  if you want to shoot at a range, guns are required to be locked up and stay at the range.  you're a hunter?  use a bow and arrow and at least try to pretend the animals have a chance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 03:33:03 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?

One of these things infringes on liberty. One of these things does not.

stupid talking point. every law infringes on your liberty to do what is illegal. liberties that can't be propertly handled must be taken away for the greater good of society.

no, it's not a stupid talking point.  we don't have the the right to infringe on anyone else's liberty. it is the basis, or is supposed to be the basis, of every law in this country.  that is why you can own a gun, but you can't murder people. you can own a knife but you can't go around stabbing people. you can own a car but you can't go around running people over, driving drunk or operating it in such a way that infringes on the safety and liberty of others.

I won't deny that there are laws out there(that shouldn't be) that take away liberties that otherwise people would and should have. 

the whole point of liberty is to protect the minority against what others, even a majority, and even those in power say is or isn't for the greater good of society.  We don't live in a country of mob rule, or at least we aren't supposed to.

So the freedom to own firearms is worth it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:38:16 PM
Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?

One of these things infringes on liberty. One of these things does not.

stupid talking point. every law infringes on your liberty to do what is illegal. liberties that can't be propertly handled must be taken away for the greater good of society.

no, it's not a stupid talking point.  we don't have the the right to infringe on anyone else's liberty. it is the basis, or is supposed to be the basis, of every law in this country.  that is why you can own a gun, but you can't murder people. you can own a knife but you can't go around stabbing people. you can own a car but you can't go around running people over, driving drunk or operating it in such a way that infringes on the safety and liberty of others.

I won't deny that there are laws out there(that shouldn't be) that take away liberties that otherwise people would and should have. 

the whole point of liberty is to protect the minority against what others, even a majority, and even those in power say is or isn't for the greater good of society.  We don't live in a country of mob rule, or at least we aren't supposed to.

So the freedom to own firearms is worth it?

Yes. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 03:38:59 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.

They sure don't throw a fit because they can't own drugs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2012, 03:39:43 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.

They sure don't throw a fit because they can't own drugs.

some of them are still angry that they can't own people  :ohno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
So the freedom to own firearms is worth it?

Yes.

There's really no debate to be had then. Just disagreement.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 03:41:10 PM
We're going backwards covering stuff we've already covered.

Sin tax - God idea.  Let's go with that - someone draw up the papers.

/thread
:tappingfootguy:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:41:44 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.

They sure don't throw a fit because they can't own drugs.

some of them are still angry that they can't own people  :ohno:

speaking of racism, gun control on minorities was one of the main catalysts used in keeping blacks "in their place" during slavery and after reformation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
So the freedom to own firearms is worth it?

Yes.

There's really no debate to be had then. Just disagreement.

I said that on like page 4
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:44:15 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.

They sure don't throw a fit because they can't own drugs.

Many, also don't think that homosexuals should receive the same marital benefits from the government that heterosexuals do.  It is an inconsistency with regards to liberty.  It is easy to stand up for the things that matter to you.  It is also easy to try and use mob rule to stop others from doing things you don't agree with. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
since we're rehashing stuff to piss each other off...   Did anyone see this:

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/196076_10151158948066260_1158871002_n.jpg)

I know right?  what a shill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2012, 03:46:04 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.

They sure don't throw a fit because they can't own drugs.

Many, also don't think that homosexuals should receive the same marital benefits from the government that heterosexuals do.  It is an inconsistency with regards to liberty.  It is easy to stand up for the things that matter to you.  It is also easy to try and use mob rule to stop others from doing things you don't agree with.

funny which sides politcally come down on the issues you mention
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 03:49:54 PM
We're going backwards covering stuff we've already covered.

Sin tax - God idea.  Let's go with that - someone draw up the papers.

/thread
:tappingfootguy:

The gun nuts arent any more likely to accept registration than they are a ban, to them it's the same thing.

Also this route would have done nothing to prevent this tragedy. The mom was an affluent law abiding citizen who loved guns. Unless the registration process could have identified that she had a mentally ill son.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 03:51:02 PM
comes down to if you think owning a piece of metal is "liberty" or not.

i personally could handle owning a nuclear weapon, but i'm not sure i want everyone else in the country to have one.

literally thousands of things are illegal to own because they are a detriment to society. rednecks don't throw a fit because they don't have the rough ridin' liberty to own anthrax.

They sure don't throw a fit because they can't own drugs.

Many, also don't think that homosexuals should receive the same marital benefits from the government that heterosexuals do.  It is an inconsistency with regards to liberty.  It is easy to stand up for the things that matter to you.  It is also easy to try and use mob rule to stop others from doing things you don't agree with.

funny which sides politcally come down on the issues you mention

I don't think it's funny.  I think it sucks.  People group together with people that have similar values and then try to impose their will on those who disagree with them.  That is a far cry from what our country is supposed to be about. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 03:52:18 PM
We're going backwards covering stuff we've already covered.

Sin tax - God idea.  Let's go with that - someone draw up the papers.

/thread
:tappingfootguy:

The gun nuts arent any more likely to accept registration than they are a ban, to them it's the same thing.

Also this route would have done nothing to prevent this tragedy. The mom was an affluent law abiding citizen who loved guns. Unless the registration process could have identified that she had a mentally ill son.

Maybe if there were laws on the books that she would face life in prison if anybody were to take her guns and use them, she would have kept them locked up in a way that her son would not have had access to them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 17, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
We're going backwards covering stuff we've already covered.

Sin tax - God idea.  Let's go with that - someone draw up the papers.

/thread
:tappingfootguy:

The gun nuts arent any more likely to accept registration than they are a ban, to them it's the same thing.

Also this route would have done nothing to prevent this tragedy. The mom was an affluent law abiding citizen who loved guns. Unless the registration process could have identified that she had a mentally ill son.

Maybe if there were laws on the books that she would face life in prison if anybody were to take her guns and use them, she would have kept them locked up in a way that her son would not have had access to them.
Could only really happen in Civil Court right now
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 03:55:41 PM
I don't think it's funny.  I think it sucks.  People group together with people that have similar values and then try to impose their will on those who disagree with them.  That is a far cry from what our country is supposed to be about. 

I think it is exactly what our country has been about for most of it's history, regardless of what the imaginary ideals for what America was or is supposed to be say.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 17, 2012, 04:27:40 PM
when this happened i was very butthurt re: guns and gun control, but now having the weekend to think about it, i think the bigger issue is mental health, and it seems to be getting the least airtime.

this kid, and others, had a very real mental condition that drove their mood swings all over the charts at a moments notice.  it's easy to say "that bad person should burn in hell, etc etc" but we as a society obviously need more $$$ sent towards mental health research and treatment so that people with problems stay "even."

this won't happen, though.  guns are more politically dividing, and it's a lot easier to blame someone instead of find the problem and fix it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 04:30:58 PM
Are mental health problems more prevalent today than they were 50, 100 or 300 years ago?  Not number diagnosed, because we obviously do a much better job of that today, but are there actually more people afflicted with mental health problems?  If so, why?  Serious question.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 17, 2012, 04:37:00 PM
I think mental health could be part of a solution, but do not think it will be.  I picture cries of "the government knows better for my kids?!?!" being screamed if any meaningful piece of mental health legislation is passed for children.  Spending money on research isn't nothing, but if parents aren't willing to recognize the issues in their child or the help they need, its all for not.

I think gun and mental health legislation is needed, not that either will get accomplished.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 17, 2012, 04:49:09 PM
Ad for the same gun used in the shootings. Ran in Maxim magazine

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d08c820aeb623147925b511370389e60/tumblr_mf745iIbWj1qat9xfo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 17, 2012, 05:24:55 PM
Ad for the same gun used in the shootings. Ran in Maxim magazine

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d08c820aeb623147925b511370389e60/tumblr_mf745iIbWj1qat9xfo1_500.jpg)

I would like one of those for the Apocalypse.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
Are mental health problems more prevalent today than they were 50, 100 or 300 years ago?  Not number diagnosed, because we obviously do a much better job of that today, but are there actually more people afflicted with mental health problems?  If so, why?  Serious question.

People used to be institutionalized and weren't on the streets.  Not saying we should go back to that - but I don't think this can be legislated away.  I'm afraid whatever happens will make the problem worse.  I believe everyone's rush to make government fix this problem is a pretty damn big symptom to the problem and will cause everything to escalate.  The people that knew this kid should be taking ownership, but like everything, we externalize and hope someone else will fix it for us.  Look at all of us - thinking of the best ways someone else can fix this.  I don't think it can be fixed, but I do believe something needs to be done - doing everything to help mentally disturbed seems to be the biggest win/win that will likely have the biggest impact.  Unfortunately, it likely wouldn't be very measurable and people would give up hope and jump to some knee jerk reaction the next time this happens.  And it will happen again sadly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 17, 2012, 05:48:30 PM
Are mental health problems more prevalent today than they were 50, 100 or 300 years ago?  Not number diagnosed, because we obviously do a much better job of that today, but are there actually more people afflicted with mental health problems?  If so, why?  Serious question.

People used to be institutionalized and weren't on the streets.  Not saying we should go back to that - but I don't think this can be legislated away.  I'm afraid whatever happens will make the problem worse.  I believe everyone's rush to make government fix this problem is a pretty damn big symptom to the problem and will cause everything to escalate.  The people that knew this kid should be taking ownership, but like everything, we externalize and hope someone else will fix it for us.  Look at all of us - thinking of the best ways someone else can fix this.  I don't think it can be fixed, but I do believe something needs to be done - doing everything to help mentally disturbed seems to be the biggest win/win that will likely have the biggest impact.  Unfortunately, it likely wouldn't be very measurable and people would give up hope and jump to some knee jerk reaction the next time this happens.  And it will happen again sadly.

Deinstitutionalization has happened but the movement has been from mental institution to incarceration not mental institution to the streets.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
Not everyone.  There are countless people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc. that are everyday people not incarcerated.  Many of them don't stay on their medication and can go from sane to crazy in very little time.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 17, 2012, 05:53:06 PM
These are all people that would have been institutionalized 40-50 years ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 17, 2012, 06:06:55 PM
These are all people that would have been institutionalized 40-50 years ago.

Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

The answer simply isn't to re-institutionalize those who manage to avoid prison. It's to look at the reason why taking them out of the institutions in the first place hasn't worked. One reason (and you'll never agree with me) is that for-profit health insurance companies refuse to cover mental illness and if they do only cover treatment for a couple days at a time. Leaving parents or other family on their own to deal with the issue using a patchwork of public services and support groups in the community.

This is just one of about 5 reasons why it hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 06:09:44 PM
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 17, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.

When you're talking about Timmy who colors outside the lines and gets labeled with a behavioral issue, maybe. But otherwise, no, many of the prisoners suffer from severe mental illness, fewer but still a lot are psychotic.

Correctional facilities have become the largest provider of treatment for the mentally ill in the country.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 17, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.

and diagnosed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 17, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.

and diagnosed

Yes, I would say half the human population probably has some "diagnosable" mental condition. Nearly all psychiatrists and psychologists, for sure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.

and diagnosed

and treated with pharmaceutical drugs, specifically SSRI inhibitors.   

Institutionalize more people, be less liberal with drug application for those in society, and I bet we would see a positive change.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
I would have to see some pretty hard statistics before I could support institutionalizing more people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 08:39:05 PM
I would have to see some pretty hard statistics before I could support institutionalizing more people.

Institutionalized is a harsh word.  I guess I could say put in a home.  A lot of these people seriously need taken care of and a lot of supervision.  Plus, did you see Rain Man?  That place seemed pretty great.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on December 17, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.

and diagnosed

and treated with pharmaceutical drugs, specifically SSRI inhibitors.   

Institutionalize more people, be less liberal with drug application for those in society, and I bet we would see a positive change.

that's what I mean. And yeah SSRIs eff you the eff up, btw
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 17, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
I do not have time to catch up on this thread before work, but I will be laughing at the "school marshal" suggestion multiple times today. I can only imagine the nutbar teachers that would sign up to pack heat on the job.

"Hey, let's find an underpaid stressful job that frequently leads to frustration and discontent and give those people weapons! What's that you say, they work around kids? Perfect!"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 17, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
I do not have time to catch up on this thread before work, but I will be laughing at the "school marshal" suggestion multiple times today. I can only imagine the nutbar teachers that would sign up to pack heat on the job.

"Hey, let's find an underpaid stressful job that frequently leads to frustration and discontent and give those people weapons! What's that you say, they work around kids? Perfect!"

Most teachers are anti-gun liberals anyway, so I don't see that as a viable deterrent.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 17, 2012, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: 8manpick link=topic=25202.msg697021#msg697I021 date=1355789384
Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

Mental illness is very (too?) broadly defined.

and diagnosed

and treated with pharmaceutical drugs, specifically SSRI inhibitors.   

Institutionalize more people, be less liberal with drug application for those in society, and I bet we would see a positive change.

that's what I mean. And yeah SSRIs eff you the eff up, btw

I take one and it changed my life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on December 17, 2012, 09:35:17 PM
I know we all have our opinions on gun control, rights, the treatment of mental illness, but we can all agree that this is horrible, terrible and it tears my heart out.  I spent much of the day arguing/ debating over this stuff and then I saw this picture.

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 17, 2012, 09:36:20 PM
I don't have time to read the last 10 pages of the thread, but apparently some genius in my state legislature introduced/going to introduce some law to get more guns inside schools and into teachers hands. 

Tonight my wife, who teaches 7th grade, had bunco with 11 other teachers.  She just got home and said this was discussed.  When 1 teacher told the other 11, all of them gave the same "you've got to be rough ridin' kidding me, that's a horrible idea" response. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 17, 2012, 10:15:05 PM
pretty much stickin' to rubber bullets here guys. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 17, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
"I'd take a welt for that dude" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 17, 2012, 10:47:07 PM
"I'd take a welt for that dude" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I'll put a welt in your ass" may have the wrong connotations
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 17, 2012, 10:53:51 PM
would you walk into a classroom full of armed children?  i know i wouldn't
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 17, 2012, 10:54:09 PM
"I'd take a welt for that dude" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I'll put a welt in your ass" may have the wrong connotations

"Imma bust a rubber in that ass." - the future by dlew.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on December 17, 2012, 10:57:45 PM
"I'd take a welt for that dude" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I'll put a welt in your ass" may have the wrong connotations

"Imma bust a rubber in that ass." - the future by dlew.
what a world that would be.

i remember reading something once, about how people could take a lesson from watching giraffes fight.  how they whip their necks at each other and smash each other in these ultra violent displays of masculinity for dominance and what not.  typical animal stuff, really.  but giraffes' horns are covered in velvet to make sure they don't hurt each other so badly.  i think it was vonnegut.  isn't that a nice concept?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 17, 2012, 10:57:57 PM
"I'd take a welt for that dude" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I'll put a welt in your ass" may have the wrong connotations

"Imma bust a rubber in that ass." - the future by dlew.

Better than "today 20 children were shot"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 17, 2012, 11:07:26 PM
I don't have time to read the last 10 pages of the thread, but apparently some genius in my state legislature introduced/going to introduce some law to get more guns inside schools and into teachers hands. 

Tonight my wife, who teaches 7th grade, had bunco with 11 other teachers.  She just got home and said this was discussed.  When 1 teacher told the other 11, all of them gave the same "you've got to be rough ridin' kidding me, that's a horrible idea" response.

It's not just a horrible idea, it's a disgustingly naive and moronic idea.

Teachers with guns.  Say that several times, and you'll shake your head at how stupid it even sounds coming out of your mouth.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 17, 2012, 11:23:17 PM
And I'm getting sick and tired of people saying, "knee jerk reaction".

How many school shootings need to happen?  Aurora.  Oak Creek.  Oregon.  Topeka.

No one needs an assault rifle.  No one.  The answer to gun violence in this country is not "more guns".  The answer to school shootings isn't arming teachers.  The answer isn't declaring everyone mentally ill so they can't get a gun.

The answer is less guns.  If people think that if giving up guns puts them at risk of their government taking away their rights and instituting a police state, they should have thought about that before electing a bunch of public officials that feel it's okay to spend a trillion dollars a year on the military.

I'm ranting, but I'm just tired of seeing people on TV trying to defend assault rifles and talking about adding more guns to all situations as a deterrent.  This isn't ****ing Tombstone.  Get rid of the freaking assault rifles.  If they don't give them up, throw them in jail.

It worked in Australia.  It can work here. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 17, 2012, 11:24:34 PM
I know we all have our opinions on gun control, rights, the treatment of mental illness, but we can all agree that this is horrible, terrible and it tears my heart out.  I spent much of the day arguing/ debating over this stuff and then I saw this picture.

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.

Not a single one of those twenty kids had less than three gunshot wounds.

That's why I'm angry.  These kids weren't killed.  They were slaughtered.  With legally purchased guns.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 17, 2012, 11:43:19 PM

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.

Really a reminder to appreciate your life and the people in it because some rough ridin' bad person can take it away in an instant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 17, 2012, 11:43:31 PM
I know we all have our opinions on gun control, rights, the treatment of mental illness, but we can all agree that this is horrible, terrible and it tears my heart out.  I spent much of the day arguing/ debating over this stuff and then I saw this picture.

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/defaultles/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.

Not a single one of those twenty kids had less than three gunshot wounds.

That's why I'm angry.  These kids weren't killed.  They were slaughtered.  With legally purchased guns.

the killer in topeka walked up to the bodies and put 11 or 12 bullets in for good measure. the judge was legally able to "recommend that he not possess guns" after an earlier run in with the law.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 17, 2012, 11:51:21 PM
"I'd take a welt for that dude" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I'll put a welt in your ass" may have the wrong connotations

plata o goma?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 18, 2012, 01:25:37 AM
plata o goma?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2012, 06:00:47 AM
Like I said earlier I believe this event will lead to real reforms.  and it might not even have to get political if a esque group is organized and if it gets political, control proponents are in position to call the nra baby killers.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 18, 2012, 06:02:32 AM
Cui bono? False flag! PIKE!!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 18, 2012, 07:16:23 AM
http://zagsblog.com/articles/jim-boeheim-speaks-out-on-gun-control-after-900th-win/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 07:30:33 AM
I know we all have our opinions on gun control, rights, the treatment of mental illness, but we can all agree that this is horrible, terrible and it tears my heart out.  I spent much of the day arguing/ debating over this stuff and then I saw this picture.

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.

Not a single one of those twenty kids had less than three gunshot wounds.

That's why I'm angry.  These kids weren't killed.  They were slaughtered.  With legally purchased guns.

The bastard used handguns in the school, he kept his assault rifle in his car. Handgun bans are a must a long with assault rifle bans.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 18, 2012, 07:39:10 AM
I know we all have our opinions on gun control, rights, the treatment of mental illness, but we can all agree that this is horrible, terrible and it tears my heart out.  I spent much of the day arguing/ debating over this stuff and then I saw this picture.

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.

Not a single one of those twenty kids had less than three gunshot wounds.

That's why I'm angry.  These kids weren't killed.  They were slaughtered.  With legally purchased guns.

The bastard used handguns in the school, he kept his assault rifle in his car. Handgun bans are a must a long with assault rifle bans.

I thought he did all the killing with the assault rifle and he left a shotgun in the car.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 18, 2012, 07:49:31 AM
Cui bono? False flag! PIKE!!!!

I don't know how you possibly lasted on kstatefans so long.  You're over the head of most of the posters on this site.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 07:53:49 AM
I know we all have our opinions on gun control, rights, the treatment of mental illness, but we can all agree that this is horrible, terrible and it tears my heart out.  I spent much of the day arguing/ debating over this stuff and then I saw this picture.

(http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/pozner.jpg)

I straight broke-down and started crying.  I've got tears in my eyes typing this.  God bless those kids and their families.

This hurts my heart.

Not a single one of those twenty kids had less than three gunshot wounds.

That's why I'm angry.  These kids weren't killed.  They were slaughtered.  With legally purchased guns.

The bastard used handguns in the school, he kept his assault rifle in his car. Handgun bans are a must a long with assault rifle bans.

I thought he did all the killing with the assault rifle and he left a shotgun in the car.

Originally read he left the assault rifle in the car. Guess not. Still most gun related fatalities are related to handguns. Anything larger than a .22 caliber hand gun is meant to kill and not for self protection.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 18, 2012, 08:47:42 AM
Most teachers are anti-gun liberals anyway, so I don't see that as a viable deterrent.
Not the ones I know.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on December 18, 2012, 09:20:18 AM
Cui bono? False flag! PIKE!!!!

I don't know how you possibly lasted on kstatefans so long.  You're over the head of most of the posters on this site.

Good god I can't imagine going back now. You guys should have a rubber bullet botmod of TexasCat here just so people appreciate the place.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/opinion/bergen-guns-national-security/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Quote
- The proliferation of semiautomatic weapons in the hands of Americans of the types that were used in the Newtown massacre is sometimes framed as a public health issue in the United States.

There is considerable merit to the notion of treating gun violence as a public health matter. After all, homicides -- around 70% of which are accomplished with firearms in the United States according to an authoritative study by the United Nations -- are the 15th leading cause of death for Americans.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 18, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
Nothing will change guys.

http://m.youtube.com/?rdm=4psit69gx#/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=8E8vHnNR2dI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8E8vHnNR2dI%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player

Sorry if Luked
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 18, 2012, 11:23:26 AM
http://theweek.com/article/index/237955/the-connecticut-school-massacre-how-the-world-sees-us

The Connecticut school massacre: How the world sees us
By Ryu Spaeth | The Week – 6 hrs ago
 
Coverage of the school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, was splashed across newspaper front pages around the world, a testament to the universal horror of a tragedy in which 20 children, all of them ages 6 and 7, were killed in their classrooms by a lone gunman. There was an outpouring of sympathy from the international community, which was inevitably followed by utter bewilderment at America's continued obsession with lethal weapons.
 
The U.S. is home to 270 million privately held guns, which equates to an average of nine guns per 10 people. (In second place, with roughly 1 gun for every two people, is Yemen, "a conflict-torn Arab nation still dealing with poverty, political unrest, a separatist Shia urgency, an al Qaeda branch, and the aftereffects of a 1994 civil war," notes Max Fisher at The Washington Post.) It is no coincidence that the U.S. also boasts the highest rate of gun-related deaths among developed countries — an American is 20 times more likely to die at the hands of a gun then another member of the developed world. Here, some reactions from around the world:
 
Canada's The Globe and Mail:
There is something inexorable about the phenomenon of mass shootings in the United States. We have been forced to write about it with tragic regularity for years. We have exhausted adjectives to describe our horror and revulsion. We have stated and restated the problem…
The time for platitudes is past, Mr. President. It’s time the U.S. cured its gun sickness.
 
Britain's The Guardian:
The final difference is in many ways the most destructive of all. This is America's sheer difficulty in conducting any kind of rational collective conversation about gun control. In any other country, a shooting spree of the sort that took place in Newtown would set off a serious public debate. That's what happened after Dunblane in the U.K., after Port Arthur in Australia, and after [Anders] Breivik's killings in Norway. Nothing like this is now possible in the polarized gun culture of America, where law and politics have been unable to respond to such events for at least 20 years. That is why President Obama's very mild call this weekend for "meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this," was regarded as so unusual...
Mad men with guns will always be a danger, whatever the gun laws. But modern America still seems to lack the will to make even modest regulatory changes, let alone to confront a real and growing danger to the health and survival of significant numbers of its young people.
 
Briain Masters at Britain's The Telegraph:
In Arizona, where the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the slaughter of six others took place last year, almost anyone can have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and be allowed to take guns into a bar (where presumably they are going to drink something more potent than lemonade); that same state's legislators have talked about passing laws permitting teachers and students to carry their guns to school with them. Such is the contagion of madness.
 
Germany's Die Tageszeitung:
Beyond the individual state of the killer, the U.S. has a national pathology. The legality of gun ownership is a matter of course in the U.S., more so than anywhere else in the world. In 2012, some 270 million firearms were in private ownership. Every year, (thousands of) people are killed with them. In most states it's easier to get a firearm than a driver's license.
This madness can only — if at all — be stopped in moments like this one. Against the tragic backdrop of 20 murdered children. And of a president like Barack Obama who has just won an election. The right wing has been pushed back a little, the public is appalled by the massacre.
 
Germany's Süddeutsche Zeitung:
President Obama's "never again" are little more than plaintive words. He's trying to provide comfort, but he certainly isn't promising any improvement. During Obama's first term, more than 40,000 of his compatriots died in a hail of bullets. One out of 10 of these victims was under the age of 18. He never even had the courage to at least come up with stronger laws to take some of the deadliest weapons out of the hands of civilians. Viewed in political terms, that is at least equivalent to the crime of failing to assist a person in danger. Obama points to the constitutionally protected right for US citizens to possess weapons. In reality, however, he is wary of a battle with the Republicans and the gun lobby. Their opposition to almost any kind of gun control borders on political complicity in murder and manslaughter...
[T]here is no place in Western Europe where violence from gun barrels rampages in the way it does in the United States.
 
Germany's Stuttgarter Zeitung:
Nowhere else in the world are so many weapons in circulation as in the US. In no other country are citizens as well armed. The U.S. Constitution guarantees every American the right to move about in public as though he or she is John Wayne in person. One can see it as a national tradition. But this martial approach to liberty is also a relic of the past and one that is out of step with the times. Every 20 minutes, a U.S. citizen is murdered by a firearm. American schoolchildren are killed by bullets 10 times more often than in comparable industrialized countries. Such numbers speak for themselves.
 
Anne Davies at Australia's Sydney Morning Herald:
To Australians it seems incredible that U.S. politicians will not move to control guns. It seems illogical in the face of global statistics and our own experience of the success of the gun amnesty.
[T]he bigger task for American is to become a gentler, more trusting society, so that school children do not have to be drilled in cowering in store rooms.
 
Chemi Shalev at Israel's Haaretz:
"God takes pity on the kindergarten children" poet Yehuda Amichai wrote bitterly of a country in which it is the grownups," often Israeli soldiers, who are forced to pay the price. In America, God has no favorites: He allows even tiny angels to be massacred in a crazed and senselessly obsessed outburst of a lone gunman, armed to the teeth.
Perhaps, when President Barack Obama was shedding a tear, he grieved not only as a parent who thinks of his own children but also as a president who cries for his beloved country. These unthinkable but nonetheless recurring bloodbaths by shooting are peculiarly, if not exclusively, American, a stain on its image that gets brutally bigger as time goes by.
 
Tzipi Shmilovitz at Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth:
America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence. It is just willing to sweep up everything under the carpet of tears.
 
Peter Hellyer at the United Arab Emirates' The National:
How fortunate we are that in the United Arab Emirates such an event would appear to be almost inconceivable. Long may that remain so…
In the U.A.E., with about 8 million people, an equivalent rate would be 222 gun-related deaths annually. Yet so far this year, as far as I can see, there's been one — and that was either a suicide or an accident.
 
India's The Times of India:
For those griping about the American right to bear arms, wake up. This is the 21st century and America's a settled state, not the rough-edged, wide open spaces of the 1780s when the Constitution was framed and everything, from land to liberty, was based on violent contests. Bearing arms then might have made sense — doing so today is swallowing the nonsense posed as liberty by commercial lobbies. Some argue weapons empower victims against aggressors. If so, should second-graders pack pistols in their schoolbags? Such shaky logic simply intensifies dangerous situations.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: theKSU on December 18, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
Heard a discussion of this AR-15 this morning.  It's designed for the express purpose of being able to kill as many people in a military situation as possible.  Yet we allow anyone to buy them.

These things are gonna be banned, but how do we get the ones out there off the street?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 18, 2012, 12:23:07 PM
These are all people that would have been institutionalized 40-50 years ago.

Its estimated that up to 50% of the entire prison population suffers from at least one diagnosable mental illness.

The answer simply isn't to re-institutionalize those who manage to avoid prison. It's to look at the reason why taking them out of the institutions in the first place hasn't worked. One reason (and you'll never agree with me) is that for-profit health insurance companies refuse to cover mental illness and if they do only cover treatment for a couple days at a time. Leaving parents or other family on their own to deal with the issue using a patchwork of public services and support groups in the community.

This is just one of about 5 reasons why it hasn't worked.

We should stop assuming things about each other - I would never want to re-institutionalize anyone with mental disorders and I'm very educated on the subject.  I have family by marriage that suffers from schizophrenia and I would never condemn her to an asylum.  She is able to be a productive member of society and you are 100% correct; it is left to the parents & family to deal with these issues and there is no help from anyone beyond "Take this pill and everything will be okay"

Well it's pretty damned hard to convince a schizophrenic with paranoid delusions to take pills. Now I'll admit, dealing with schizophrenia is an extreme case - but there are loads of illnesses out there that get no support from anyone beyond family members.   Changing this one thing has been the common theme in my entire approach to these debates from day 1.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
Heard a discussion of this AR-15 this morning.  It's designed for the express purpose of being able to kill as many people in a military situation as possible.  Yet we allow anyone to buy them.

These things are gonna be banned, but how do we get the ones out there off the street?

Ban their resale and trade between two parties. Current assault rifles must be registered. If you own an unregistered assault rifle you are put in jail. If an unregistered assault rifle is used during a crime it is an automatic double length sentence, murder automatic life with no parole. Offer a trade in program were people can trade in there assault rifles for cash.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
Heard a discussion of this AR-15 this morning.  It's designed for the express purpose of being able to kill as many people in a military situation as possible.  Yet we allow anyone to buy them.

These things are gonna be banned, but how do we get the ones out there off the street?

Ban their resale and trade between two parties. Current assault rifles must be registered. If you own an unregistered assault rifle you are put in jail. If an unregistered assault rifle is used during a crime it is an automatic double length sentence, murder automatic life with no parole. Offer a trade in program were people can trade in there assault rifles for cash.

would be the only reasonable way.  They won't come looking for them but if you commit a crime etc and are found to have one its gone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 18, 2012, 12:52:00 PM
Great link CFoD
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 01:06:44 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/)

Good step.

Quote
Feinstein said her legislation will outlaw the sale, import and manufacture of more than 100 different firearms, including "semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than ten rounds."

The measure would also ban the sale, import and manufacture of "large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips and drums) capable of accepting more than ten rounds."

To protect legal gun owners, the Feinstein measure would "grandfather in" those weapons legally owned at the time the measure would become law. It would also exempt antiques, manually operated weapons, permanently disabled weapons, and more than 900 specifically named firearms commonly used for hunting and sporting.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/#ixzz2FQq2813C

Now as for the NRA, you had a chance to take the high road years again and do this. This is reasonable legislation. If the NRA would have been smart they should have okay this instead of leading down the path were some want all guns banned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/)

Good step.

Quote
Feinstein said her legislation will outlaw the sale, import and manufacture of more than 100 different firearms, including "semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than ten rounds."

The measure would also ban the sale, import and manufacture of "large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips and drums) capable of accepting more than ten rounds."

To protect legal gun owners, the Feinstein measure would "grandfather in" those weapons legally owned at the time the measure would become law. It would also exempt antiques, manually operated weapons, permanently disabled weapons, and more than 900 specifically named firearms commonly used for hunting and sporting.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/#ixzz2FQq2813C

Now as for the NRA, you had a chance to take the high road years again and do this. This is reasonable legislation. If the NRA would have been smart they should have okay this instead of leading down the path were some want all guns banned.

It's all or nothing politics,  if they start here where does it stop type thinking.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/)

Good step.

Quote
Feinstein said her legislation will outlaw the sale, import and manufacture of more than 100 different firearms, including "semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than ten rounds."

The measure would also ban the sale, import and manufacture of "large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips and drums) capable of accepting more than ten rounds."

To protect legal gun owners, the Feinstein measure would "grandfather in" those weapons legally owned at the time the measure would become law. It would also exempt antiques, manually operated weapons, permanently disabled weapons, and more than 900 specifically named firearms commonly used for hunting and sporting.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/#ixzz2FQq2813C

Now as for the NRA, you had a chance to take the high road years again and do this. This is reasonable legislation. If the NRA would have been smart they should have okay this instead of leading down the path were some want all guns banned.

It's all or nothing politics,  if they start here where does it stop type thinking.

It should not be. But that is were the NRA dropped the ball. By protecting all guns, they are leading us down the path of no guns. Same reason why a lot of animal rights people don't support PETA, because they just want too much.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 18, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 01:14:58 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

Yep
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 18, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

Me
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
me
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 18, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/)

Good step.

Quote
Feinstein said her legislation will outlaw the sale, import and manufacture of more than 100 different firearms, including "semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than ten rounds."

The measure would also ban the sale, import and manufacture of "large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips and drums) capable of accepting more than ten rounds."

To protect legal gun owners, the Feinstein measure would "grandfather in" those weapons legally owned at the time the measure would become law. It would also exempt antiques, manually operated weapons, permanently disabled weapons, and more than 900 specifically named firearms commonly used for hunting and sporting.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/#ixzz2FQq2813C

Now as for the NRA, you had a chance to take the high road years again and do this. This is reasonable legislation. If the NRA would have been smart they should have okay this instead of leading down the path were some want all guns banned.

10 rounds is too many.  I own weapons and have been using them since a child.  If you are trained to the level you should be to be able to own a gun and be confident that you could use it to protect your family in a high stress situation, then you don't need 10 freaking bullets. 

10 is what you ask for when you would settle for 6.  Need to get down to 6.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on December 18, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
Heard a discussion of this AR-15 this morning.  It's designed for the express purpose of being able to kill as many people in a military situation as possible.  Yet we allow anyone to buy them.

These things are gonna be banned, but how do we get the ones out there off the street?

Ban their resale and trade between two parties. Current assault rifles must be registered. If you own an unregistered assault rifle you are put in jail. If an unregistered assault rifle is used during a crime it is an automatic double length sentence, murder automatic life with no parole. Offer a trade in program were people can trade in there assault rifles for cash.
Good luck with all that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/)

Good step.

Quote
Feinstein said her legislation will outlaw the sale, import and manufacture of more than 100 different firearms, including "semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than ten rounds."

The measure would also ban the sale, import and manufacture of "large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips and drums) capable of accepting more than ten rounds."

To protect legal gun owners, the Feinstein measure would "grandfather in" those weapons legally owned at the time the measure would become law. It would also exempt antiques, manually operated weapons, permanently disabled weapons, and more than 900 specifically named firearms commonly used for hunting and sporting.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/#ixzz2FQq2813C

Now as for the NRA, you had a chance to take the high road years again and do this. This is reasonable legislation. If the NRA would have been smart they should have okay this instead of leading down the path were some want all guns banned.

10 rounds is too many.  I own weapons and have been using them since a child.  If you are trained to the level you should be to be able to own a gun and be confident that you could use it to protect your family in a high stress situation, then you don't need 10 freaking bullets. 

10 is what you ask for when you would settle for 6.  Need to get down to 6.

Completely agree. 6 is enough for any gun. But at least something is on the table.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 18, 2012, 01:25:42 PM
Heard a discussion of this AR-15 this morning.  It's designed for the express purpose of being able to kill as many people in a military situation as possible.  Yet we allow anyone to buy them.

These things are gonna be banned, but how do we get the ones out there off the street?

Ban their resale and trade between two parties. Current assault rifles must be registered. If you own an unregistered assault rifle you are put in jail. If an unregistered assault rifle is used during a crime it is an automatic double length sentence, murder automatic life with no parole. Offer a trade in program were people can trade in there assault rifles for cash.
Good luck with all that.

Don't need luck.  :gocho:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 18, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
America:

Approximately 60% of the world's arms trade is controlled by . . . the United States Government.   Yes, your U.S. Government is the biggest arms dealer . . . IN THE WORLD.

Engaged in multiple wars across the planet, with troops engaged in combat operations on multiple continents, all in the name of "security" and "fighting terrorism". 

American Television is filled with violence; the most popular shows feature violence and guns, gore and death on nearly every episode. 

American Movies are filled with guns, violence, gore, death and mayhem. 

Yes, the government/military/industrial/gaming/entertainment complex makes BILLIONS off of gun play and violence, and the U.S. kills people of the world by the thousands every single year with M-16's, Machine Guns, Tanks, Bombs, Cruise Missiles, Drones. . . you name it.   

But you, you law abiding citizens, we have to take your guns away . . . because some whacked out paranoid mom created a whacked out paranoid kid.   

Oh, and for you future law abiding victims of natural disasters who we cant get to for weeks or even months with electricity, supplies, governance and security . . . good luck defending yourselves from the evil people in this world. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 18, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

Me. I own guns and have actually been a shooting sports instructor for kids. But I can't help but find myself on the gun-ban anti-gun side of the argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 18, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

Me. I own guns and have actually been a shooting sports instructor for kids. But I can't help but find myself on the gun-ban anti-gun side of the argument.

That's interesting. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 18, 2012, 02:15:16 PM
America:

Approximately 60% of the world's arms trade is controlled by . . . the United States Government.   Yes, your U.S. Government is the biggest arms dealer . . . IN THE WORLD.

Engaged in multiple wars across the planet, with troops engaged in combat operations on multiple continents, all in the name of "security" and "fighting terrorism". 

American Television is filled with violence; the most popular shows feature violence and guns, gore and death on nearly every episode. 

American Movies are filled with guns, violence, gore, death and mayhem. 

Yes, the government/military/industrial/gaming/entertainment complex makes BILLIONS off of gun play and violence, and the U.S. kills people of the world by the thousands every single year with M-16's, Machine Guns, Tanks, Bombs, Cruise Missiles, Drones. . . you name it.   

But you, you law abiding citizens, we have to take your guns away . . . because some whacked out paranoid mom created a whacked out paranoid kid.   

Oh, and for you future law abiding victims of natural disasters who we cant get to for weeks or even months with electricity, supplies, governance and security . . . good luck defending yourselves from the evil people in this world.

What is your point?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 18, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

I grew up in a house with many guns. Got my first .22 for my 8th birthday. My first shotgun for my 12th. I liked hunting quail, dove and deer.  Sold all my guns when I moved to Texas 15 years ago. I live in the city, not many deer or game birds in town. I haven't fired a gun of any type in 10 years now.  When I inherit my dad's fairly sizable arsenal, I'll likely sell them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 18, 2012, 02:43:15 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

i own a 870 wingmaster, 870 youth model, and a ruger 10/.22. i haven't shot any of them in the last four years. i would fall over myself to get them smelted in exchange for $100.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 18, 2012, 02:48:28 PM
America:

Approximately 60% of the world's arms trade is controlled by . . . the United States Government.   Yes, your U.S. Government is the biggest arms dealer . . . IN THE WORLD.

Engaged in multiple wars across the planet, with troops engaged in combat operations on multiple continents, all in the name of "security" and "fighting terrorism". 

American Television is filled with violence; the most popular shows feature violence and guns, gore and death on nearly every episode. 

American Movies are filled with guns, violence, gore, death and mayhem. 

Yes, the government/military/industrial/gaming/entertainment complex makes BILLIONS off of gun play and violence, and the U.S. kills people of the world by the thousands every single year with M-16's, Machine Guns, Tanks, Bombs, Cruise Missiles, Drones. . . you name it.   

But you, you law abiding citizens, we have to take your guns away . . . because some whacked out paranoid mom created a whacked out paranoid kid.   

Oh, and for you future law abiding victims of natural disasters who we cant get to for weeks or even months with electricity, supplies, governance and security . . . good luck defending yourselves from the evil people in this world.

What is your point?

I think he is calling the government a bunch of hypocrites.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 18, 2012, 02:57:04 PM
It took us 43 pages?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 18, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/utah-sixth-grader-found-with-unloaded-gun-in-class-reportedly-says-parents/?intcmp=trending (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/utah-sixth-grader-found-with-unloaded-gun-in-class-reportedly-says-parents/?intcmp=trending)

A Utah sixth-grader, who told classmates he was encouraged by his parents to bring a gun to school after the Connecticut school shooting, was apprehended by teachers after he was found with an unloaded .22-caliber handgun, Fox13Now.com reported.
 
The unidentified student, described in the report as an 11-year-old boy, reportedly pulled the gun from his backpack during recess Monday at West Kearns Elementary School, which is in a suburb of Salt Lake City.
 
Isabel Rios, a fellow sixth-grader, said the boy pointed the gun at her head and said he was going to kill her, the report said.
Students did not immediately alert teachers about the gun. A district spokesman told the station that once teachers were alerted, the student was "apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds" and brought to the principal's office.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 18, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/utah-sixth-grader-found-with-unloaded-gun-in-class-reportedly-says-parents/?intcmp=trending (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/utah-sixth-grader-found-with-unloaded-gun-in-class-reportedly-says-parents/?intcmp=trending)

A Utah sixth-grader, who told classmates he was encouraged by his parents to bring a gun to school after the Connecticut school shooting, was apprehended by teachers after he was found with an unloaded .22-caliber handgun, Fox13Now.com reported.
 
The unidentified student, described in the report as an 11-year-old boy, reportedly pulled the gun from his backpack during recess Monday at West Kearns Elementary School, which is in a suburb of Salt Lake City.
 
Isabel Rios, a fellow sixth-grader, said the boy pointed the gun at her head and said he was going to kill her, the report said.
Students did not immediately alert teachers about the gun. A district spokesman told the station that once teachers were alerted, the student was "apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds" and brought to the principal's office.

Parents need to report directly to jail without passing go or collecting $200.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on December 18, 2012, 03:18:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/utah-sixth-grader-found-with-unloaded-gun-in-class-reportedly-says-parents/?intcmp=trending (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/utah-sixth-grader-found-with-unloaded-gun-in-class-reportedly-says-parents/?intcmp=trending)

A Utah sixth-grader, who told classmates he was encouraged by his parents to bring a gun to school after the Connecticut school shooting, was apprehended by teachers after he was found with an unloaded .22-caliber handgun, Fox13Now.com reported.
 
The unidentified student, described in the report as an 11-year-old boy, reportedly pulled the gun from his backpack during recess Monday at West Kearns Elementary School, which is in a suburb of Salt Lake City.
 
Isabel Rios, a fellow sixth-grader, said the boy pointed the gun at her head and said he was going to kill her, the report said.
Students did not immediately alert teachers about the gun. A district spokesman told the station that once teachers were alerted, the student was "apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds" and brought to the principal's office.

He probably totally likes her
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on December 18, 2012, 03:22:15 PM
I'm curious as to how many of you guys actually own weapons and have ever fired one.

Yes own and use regular.  I've already stated I am for banning certain types of guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 18, 2012, 03:25:35 PM
We need to study which guns make you more dead when shot with them.  Those are the ones we should ban.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 18, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
I have a 20 gauge shot gun from when I was young - that is all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 18, 2012, 03:55:42 PM
I have a 20 gauge shot gun from when I was young - that is all.

Nope, pretty sure you have an arsenal that would make Ted Nugent blush.  :peek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 18, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
Guise, there are too many guns. We should just do nothing.

(http://hypervocal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/A-Z-ZubCcAAJ0bJ-e1355851314252.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 18, 2012, 04:56:32 PM
Dems seem to be getting jazzed up to pump the "assault weapons ban" again.

I do not consider this "meaningful action" that the president is promising. The previous incarnation was a dumb law that made no measurable difference and reinstating it would do nothing to get the hundreds of millions of these weapons off the streets.

Just a massive waste of political capital that would only serve as a cute line on an antigun legislator's resume.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 18, 2012, 05:17:42 PM
We need to study which guns make you more dead when shot with them.  Those are the ones we should ban.

#cardcarryingnramember
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 18, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
We need to study which guns make you more dead when shot with them.  Those are the ones we should ban.

#cardcarryingnramember

Are you a lifetime member?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 18, 2012, 07:57:12 PM
I have a 20 gauge shot gun from when I was young - that is all.

Nope, pretty sure you have an arsenal that would make Ted Nugent blush.  :peek:

Nope, you guys take me way too seriously some times.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 18, 2012, 08:24:02 PM
I have a 20 gauge shot gun from when I was young - that is all.

Nope, pretty sure you have an arsenal that would make Ted Nugent blush.  :peek:

Nope, you guys take me way too seriously some times.

GUN NUT WITH NO GUNS?! :runaway:      :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 18, 2012, 10:01:53 PM
Approximately 60% of the world's arms trade is controlled by . . . the United States Government....

What is your point?

I think he is calling the government a bunch of hypocrites.

i think he's calling americans a bunch of hypocrites.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 18, 2012, 10:55:57 PM
Approximately 60% of the world's arms trade is controlled by . . . the United States Government....

What is your point?

I think he is calling the government a bunch of hypocrites.

i think he's calling americans a bunch of hypocrites.

Definite government slant to the post; Military weapon sales, FCC, gun legislation, FEMA ineptness, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 18, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
Definite government slant to the post; Military weapon sales, FCC, gun legislation, FEMA ineptness, etc.

he has that slant in all his posts though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 18, 2012, 10:59:11 PM
Definite government slant to the post; Military weapon sales, FCC, gun legislation, FEMA ineptness, etc.

he has that slant in all his posts though.

True
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 19, 2012, 08:03:52 AM
We need to study which guns make you more dead when shot with them.  Those are the ones we should ban.

#cardcarryingnramember

Are you a lifetime member?

I am.  My pops bought for me when born.  I get AR mag to this day and I fully support meaningful gun legislation.

It is just so American that we can't make improvements because we have to fight the far extremes of every issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 20, 2012, 05:39:25 PM
A friend went gun shopping today, might belong in the status/twitter from your home town thread, but he's not from my home town.

Quote
It took over an hour to buy an Ak-47! Thought this was America?!
(http://s7.postimage.org/t36mzd6mj/AKLuke.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 20, 2012, 05:46:13 PM
your friend is a poor with a brown refrigerator
 
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 20, 2012, 06:26:29 PM
Ppl that pose w their guns like that are the exact ppl that shouldn't have the gun. T's&P's about his super tiny dick.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
 :sdeek:   my fride is the same and i have that poster too   :sdeek:

picture is not of me though, my "guns" are bigger than that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2012, 07:26:35 PM
Found out today that ATF is in my office building.   One of the guys who works for the office complex knows all the guys up there, ATF said that a local gunship sold 87 AR-15's yesterday.   

Kind of scary, and I own guns, but nothing like an AR-15.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 20, 2012, 07:29:40 PM
jesus christ. this country  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MeatSauce on December 21, 2012, 10:17:17 AM
jesus christ.  the NRA  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 21, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
Found out today that ATF is in my office building.   One of the guys who works for the office complex knows all the guys up there, ATF said that a local gunship sold 87 AR-15's yesterday.   

Kind of scary, and I own guns, but nothing like an AR-15.

Don't know dax, an AR-15 is a good rifle to kill mass deer hordes when they are on a feeding frenzy. It is so scary when they get going, youtube has banned any videos of it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 21, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
I didn't know that the NRA was pro-abortion (because that's what this presser is)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on December 21, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
Well at least they're being "job creators"  :dunno:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 21, 2012, 11:10:35 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html (http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html)

Hello, NRA, this is common sense calling, Um, yes, instead of proposing introducing more guns as a solution to gun violence, why not take a leadership role and help draft legislation with the ban guns lobby that will get the bad guns out of the bad peoples hands while at the same time ensuring that guns will not be banned all together. If you don't act now you could lose the reason you even exist.

Thank You and have a nice day.

Okay really NRA, JFC your as crazy as the shooters themselves.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/21/nra-chief-urges-armed-guards-in-every-school-dismisses-calls-for-gun-control/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/21/nra-chief-urges-armed-guards-in-every-school-dismisses-calls-for-gun-control/)


P.S. Don't shoo me.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 21, 2012, 11:28:08 AM
I'm going to stockpile guns and ammo to defend myself from the NRA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on December 21, 2012, 11:59:13 AM
http://gawker.com/5970497/while-the-nra-was-on-tv-talking-about-the-need-for-more-guns-some-guy-was-walking-up-and-down-a-road-in-pennsylvania-shooting-people?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on December 21, 2012, 12:21:54 PM
Do they not see the irony of turning America into a police state so they can have their second amendment "rights"?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 21, 2012, 12:49:47 PM
Do they not see the irony of turning America into a police state so they can have their second amendment "rights"?

Ha, did not think about it that way until now. WOW.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 21, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
Most of it was redic, but really glad they called out the media. Should have pressed that point further.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 21, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
Most of it was redic, but really glad they called out the media. Should have pressed that point further.
blaming anything on the media is a waste of time (and stupid)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 21, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
Most of it was redic, but really glad they called out the media. Should have pressed that point further.
blaming anything on the media is a waste of time (and stupid)

Meh, I may agree for most things but I'm pretty sure it is a terrible idea to plaster a crazy persons face all over TV and say how many people he killed and saying it is a record.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2012, 01:05:35 PM
given this new gun violence now is again not the time to discuss gun control
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 21, 2012, 01:06:00 PM
Most of it was redic, but really glad they called out the media. Should have pressed that point further.
blaming anything on the media is a waste of time (and stupid)

Meh, I may agree for most things but I'm pretty sure it is a terrible idea to plaster a crazy persons face all over TV and say how many people he killed and saying it is a record.
Why? It's not like people won't find out what the crazy person looks like, or how many people he killed.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2012, 01:09:55 PM
Most of it was redic, but really glad they called out the media. Should have pressed that point further.
blaming anything on the media is a waste of time (and stupid)

Meh, I may agree for most things but I'm pretty sure it is a terrible idea to plaster a crazy persons face all over TV and say how many people he killed and saying it is a record.

this is exactly what the media's job is. they are supposed to report information. the last thing we need is the media deciding what to report and not report based on their personal beliefs. it's bad enough with fox news and msnbc pushing their political views.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 21, 2012, 01:15:23 PM
blaming the media is a really bad cop-out

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 21, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
The Onion is pretty great.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite)

Oh, wait . . .
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on December 21, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
IT'S MARYLIN MANSON'S FAULT YA'LL
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 21, 2012, 02:03:11 PM
The Onion is pretty great.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite)

Oh, wait . . .

Should we really be screwing around with a system that seems to be working? I don't really care one way or the other because I don't own a gun, but...

Quote
The number of murders committed with guns has declined sharply in the past 20 years.

The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people. In 1993 the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people. The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 21, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
blaming the media is a really bad cop-out

Not blaming anyone but the crazy person that did it and the dumbass person that didnt lock up their guns. I just think it isn't the best idea to post "current leader" all over the news and have Dr Phil do his show from the victims driveways.

Anyhoos, JMO.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 21, 2012, 04:34:05 PM
The Onion is pretty great.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite)

Oh, wait . . .

Should we really be screwing around with a system that seems to be working? I don't really care one way or the other because I don't own a gun, but...

Quote
The number of murders committed with guns has declined sharply in the past 20 years.

The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people. In 1993 the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people. The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.

I just thought a spokesman for an industry that manufactures implements whose sole purpose is killing complaining about violence in music, movies, and video games would be something I would typically find in the Onion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 21, 2012, 05:10:06 PM
Let's spend billions of dollars on armed security in every school. And cut taxes!
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2012, 05:15:52 PM
rough ridin' NRA, I mean, it is an honest to god Onion article.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on December 21, 2012, 05:23:10 PM
The NRA trolled goEMAW. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on December 24, 2012, 10:22:44 AM
NRA, Arm guards for all firefighters is the only solution:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/24/webster-new-york-firefighter-shot/1788917/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/24/webster-new-york-firefighter-shot/1788917/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 24, 2012, 11:00:38 AM
Guns and Hoses
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 24, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
The Onion is pretty great.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite)

Oh, wait . . .

Should we really be screwing around with a system that seems to be working? I don't really care one way or the other because I don't own a gun, but...

Quote
The number of murders committed with guns has declined sharply in the past 20 years.

The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people. In 1993 the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people. The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.



Medical care has improved over 20 years.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 25, 2012, 12:34:53 AM
The Onion is pretty great.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite)

Oh, wait . . .

Should we really be screwing around with a system that seems to be working? I don't really care one way or the other because I don't own a gun, but...

Quote
The number of murders committed with guns has declined sharply in the past 20 years.

The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people. In 1993 the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people. The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.



Medical care has improved over 20 years.

So in 30 years nobody will die from gunshots.  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on December 25, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252726/David-Gregory-accused-committing-felony-interviewing-head-NRA.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on December 25, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
The real problem is treating mentally defective people in an institutional environment is generally considered politically incorrect these days. Since the 80's it's not even possible without a court order. They are just pumped full of prescriptions and released into the wild.

But while we are jumping off the accountability train and blaming inanimate objects for violence I propose every motorized vehicle should be fitted with an inter-lock device since you know, cars are to blame for DUI's and all that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on December 25, 2012, 01:30:17 PM
merry christmas everyone!
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 25, 2012, 02:21:59 PM
I didn't get any guns. Do my parents not love me/America?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 25, 2012, 10:08:31 PM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 25, 2012, 10:48:52 PM
I didn't get any guns. Do my parents not love me/America?

Rule no 1 of bolo ties: never gift them w a gun

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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on December 25, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.

I'm just as worried that they couldn't pool their discretionary income and come up with $500.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 25, 2012, 10:51:34 PM
Economy.  FYObama

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 26, 2012, 04:16:04 AM
Economy.  FYObama

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

are you kidding?  obama is about to be a 5 time (straight) champion gun seller of the year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 26, 2012, 04:52:32 AM
The guy who shot the firemen had murdered people before, but he was out on the streets.   Local municipalities are letting criminals go free because they cannot afford to house them anymore.   

But alas, there's some factions who want law abiding citizens to turn in their guns . . . just part of the plan I suppose.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 26, 2012, 03:06:03 PM
The guy who shot the firemen had murdered people before, but he was out on the streets.   Local municipalities are letting criminals go free because they cannot afford to house them anymore.   

But alas, there's some factions who want law abiding citizens to turn in their guns . . . just part of the plan I suppose.

Well, kick a lot of the potheads and non-violent offenders back out into the wild and keep the violent ones locked up seems like a good start.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 26, 2012, 04:30:49 PM
Gun turrents hanging in the corner of all classrooms.  Remote controlled by a guy in a trailor in Nevada. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on December 26, 2012, 05:14:36 PM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.

You're jealous?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on December 26, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
The guy may be an arrogant prick, but he's usually pretty knowledgable. I haven't done any fact checking on this yet, so take it for what it's worth.  None of it would surprise me however: http://youtu.be/sFMUeUErYVg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 26, 2012, 09:20:46 PM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.

You're jealous?

Afraid for the future.  They have no business owning fire arms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 26, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.

You're jealous?

Afraid for the future.  They have no business owning fire arms.

If you were serious you would have said you are afraid of the country being 17 trillion in debt right now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2012, 12:02:52 AM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.

You're jealous?

Afraid for the future.  They have no business owning fire arms.

If you were serious you would have said you are afraid of the country being 17 trillion in debt right now.

How so?  He can be concerned for different things.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 27, 2012, 09:45:44 AM
I found out this weekend that a couple of my cousins tried scratching together enough money to buy a couple of AK-47's.

This is why I don't go to family Christmas gatherings any more.

You're jealous?

Afraid for the future.  They have no business owning fire arms.

If you were serious you would have said you are afraid of the country being 17 trillion in debt right now.

Shut up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Skipper44 on December 27, 2012, 10:26:39 AM
quote author=HeinBallz link=topic=25202.msg703550#msg703550 date=1356565171]
The guy may be an arrogant prick, but he's usually pretty knowledgable. I haven't done any fact checking on this yet, so take it for what it's worth.  None of it would surprise me however: http://youtu.be/sFMUeUErYVg
[/quote] enjoyed this, especially the author's resemblance to one of the prominent libertarian posters on this board
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on December 27, 2012, 12:29:11 PM
quote author=HeinBallz link=topic=25202.msg703550#msg703550 date=1356565171]
The guy may be an arrogant prick, but he's usually pretty knowledgable. I haven't done any fact checking on this yet, so take it for what it's worth.  None of it would surprise me however: http://youtu.be/sFMUeUErYVg
enjoyed this, especially the author's resemblance to one of the prominent libertarian posters on this board
[/quote]

I watched the first 8 or 9 minutes last night, but if I'm not mistaken, his premise was getting rid of all guns.

I don't think most people are for that.  I think most people are against assault rifles and certain types of hand guns.

I'm not sure many people are advocating the removal of all weapons.  Just the ones that can inflict high levels of carnage in a very short amount of time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 27, 2012, 06:34:20 PM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 27, 2012, 09:18:38 PM
scary, weird dorks... not lovable, goofball dorks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 27, 2012, 10:40:54 PM
The guy may be an arrogant prick, but he's usually pretty knowledgable. I haven't done any fact checking on this yet, so take it for what it's worth.  None of it would surprise me however: http://youtu.be/sFMUeUErYVg

OMFG what a dumbass, would love to see Steve Dave get ahold of this guy and just 'splain a few things to him, pretty sure he just flat made most of that crap up.  :jerk:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2012, 07:36:48 AM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?

Yes.  They think it is pretty awesome though but they really are basically dungeons and dragons nerds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 28, 2012, 03:24:26 PM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?

Yes.  They think it is pretty awesome though but they really are basically dungeons and dragons nerds.

Yeah. They are the dungeons and dragons nerds who aren't smart enough to figure out how to play dungeons and dragons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on December 28, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?

Yes.  They think it is pretty awesome though but they really are basically dungeons and dragons nerds.

You can say that about anyone who is obsessed with just about anything.  Fantasy sports are D&D for jocks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2012, 11:26:24 PM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?

Yes.  They think it is pretty awesome though but they really are basically dungeons and dragons nerds.

You can say that about anyone who is obsessed with just about anything.  Fantasy sports are D&D for jocks.

It takes 3 hours, with tons of beer, to draft a fantasy football team.  It takes a lifetime of being a dork to play D&D.  It takes even more of a lifetime of being a dork to get off on collecting assault rifles.  I mean, JFC, what tools need to pool funds to buy an AK and what type of total tool even wants one?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on December 29, 2012, 02:44:16 AM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?

Yes.  They think it is pretty awesome though but they really are basically dungeons and dragons nerds.

You can say that about anyone who is obsessed with just about anything.  Fantasy sports are D&D for jocks.

It takes 3 hours, with tons of beer, to draft a fantasy football team.  It takes a lifetime of being a dork to play D&D.  It takes even more of a lifetime of being a dork to get off on collecting assault rifles.  I mean, JFC, what tools need to pool funds to buy an AK and what type of total tool even wants one?

I want one, but only in 5.45x39. 7.62x39 is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) expensive right now.

I will agree that pooling funds for such an acquisition is dumb. I mean that's like going 50/50 on a hooker, who gets stuck with sloppy seconds??
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 30, 2012, 09:50:46 PM
whether or not we should ban certain guns or all guns or whatever is certainly a debatable topic with people on both sides. what we can all agree on is that "gun people" are just absolute dorks though right?

Yes.  They think it is pretty awesome though but they really are basically dungeons and dragons nerds.

You can say that about anyone who is obsessed with just about anything.  Fantasy sports are D&D for jocks.

It takes 3 hours, with tons of beer, to draft a fantasy football team.  It takes a lifetime of being a dork to play D&D.  It takes even more of a lifetime of being a dork to get off on collecting assault rifles.  I mean, JFC, what tools need to pool funds to buy an AK and what type of total tool even wants one?

I want one, but only in 5.45x39. 7.62x39 is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) expensive right now.

I will agree that pooling funds for such an acquisition is dumb. I mean that's like going 50/50 on a hooker, who gets stuck with sloppy seconds??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YwyfX13OuQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YwyfX13OuQ)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
I just read ALL of this thread from scratch for the first time.  I was in Seattle when this happened and was seeing a girl I don't get to see very often and we weren't going to let this ruin our lunch.  Get in the elevator and I'm telling a joke or something - there wasn't dead air - and some old lady just overtalks me, to us, about how bad this was.  I wish I'd had my ipad logged on to this thread to give to her before she interrupted me.

The other thread I gave up on keeping up with is the football recruiting thread, where I'm about 80 pages behind.  I saw some digs on Merv in this one, but I hope he really got it over there.  Maybe Sunday.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:19:25 PM
rebloodlican and democrip

Even dax thinks these are stupid.

:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:19:55 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:20:23 PM
why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.

I had a friend's wife get me one at the gun store.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
Gun sole purpose is not to kill. It can be used to kill, if a person using it chooses to do so.

What are the other purposes?

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14197.0
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:21:29 PM
I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.

:thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on January 01, 2013, 11:31:28 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...

It's so painfully obvious this crap is written by people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

Quote
Bullets are so easy to come by that it's clear that huge stockpiles exist throughout the country. But unlike guns, bullets are single use

Really!?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press)

 :surprised:
 :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on January 01, 2013, 11:53:50 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...

It's so painfully obvious this crap is written by people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

I don't think you have a clue what I was talking about. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2013, 12:45:04 PM
Nice article, I agree with most of it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-strangest-conservative-priority-prepping-a-2nd-amendment-solution/266711/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 02, 2013, 01:20:30 PM
Nice article, I agree with most of it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-strangest-conservative-priority-prepping-a-2nd-amendment-solution/266711/


Quote
But if you're a conservative gun owner who worries that gun control today could make tyranny easier to impose tomorrow, and you support warrantless spying, indefinite detention, and secret drone strikes on Americans accused of terrorism, what explains your seeming schizophrenia?

I think the writer put way to much stock in this statement. No one I know supports any of those things, and didn't while Bush was president either. I can understand why a president would like to have those options, and Obama seems to like them as much as Bush, so I don't get the conservative vs liberal slant. It seems liberals just trust government more than conservatives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2013, 01:26:08 PM
Nice article, I agree with most of it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-strangest-conservative-priority-prepping-a-2nd-amendment-solution/266711/


Quote
But if you're a conservative gun owner who worries that gun control today could make tyranny easier to impose tomorrow, and you support warrantless spying, indefinite detention, and secret drone strikes on Americans accused of terrorism, what explains your seeming schizophrenia?

I think the writer put way to much stock in this statement. No one I know supports any of those things, and didn't while Bush was president either. I can understand why a president would like to have those options, and Obama seems to like them as much as Bush, so I don't get the conservative vs liberal slant. It seems liberals just trust government more than conservatives.

Well, house republicans overwhelmingly support warrantless wiretapping:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569

You and your buds might not, but I don't recall much outrage directed at these guys from the right.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 02, 2013, 01:34:10 PM
Nice article, I agree with most of it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-strangest-conservative-priority-prepping-a-2nd-amendment-solution/266711/


Quote
But if you're a conservative gun owner who worries that gun control today could make tyranny easier to impose tomorrow, and you support warrantless spying, indefinite detention, and secret drone strikes on Americans accused of terrorism, what explains your seeming schizophrenia?

I think the writer put way to much stock in this statement. No one I know supports any of those things, and didn't while Bush was president either. I can understand why a president would like to have those options, and Obama seems to like them as much as Bush, so I don't get the conservative vs liberal slant. It seems liberals just trust government more than conservatives.

Well, house republicans overwhelmingly support warrantless wiretapping:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569

You and your buds might not, but I don't recall much outrage directed at these guys from the right.

Well, you're rarely going to find a more bipartisan vote than that one. Your average gun owner, conservative or liberal, is not likely to support that legislation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2013, 01:38:04 PM
Nice article, I agree with most of it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-strangest-conservative-priority-prepping-a-2nd-amendment-solution/266711/


Quote
But if you're a conservative gun owner who worries that gun control today could make tyranny easier to impose tomorrow, and you support warrantless spying, indefinite detention, and secret drone strikes on Americans accused of terrorism, what explains your seeming schizophrenia?

I think the writer put way to much stock in this statement. No one I know supports any of those things, and didn't while Bush was president either. I can understand why a president would like to have those options, and Obama seems to like them as much as Bush, so I don't get the conservative vs liberal slant. It seems liberals just trust government more than conservatives.

Well, house republicans overwhelmingly support warrantless wiretapping:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569

You and your buds might not, but I don't recall much outrage directed at these guys from the right.

Well, you're rarely going to find a more bipartisan vote than that one. Your average gun owner, conservative or liberal, is not likely to support that legislation.

Yet the average gun owner is likely to support the congresspeople who (overwhelmingly) voted for it. Because the second amendment is more important to them than all the others. Which was the point of the article.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 02, 2013, 03:10:31 PM
Nice article, I agree with most of it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-strangest-conservative-priority-prepping-a-2nd-amendment-solution/266711/


Quote
But if you're a conservative gun owner who worries that gun control today could make tyranny easier to impose tomorrow, and you support warrantless spying, indefinite detention, and secret drone strikes on Americans accused of terrorism, what explains your seeming schizophrenia?

I think the writer put way to much stock in this statement. No one I know supports any of those things, and didn't while Bush was president either. I can understand why a president would like to have those options, and Obama seems to like them as much as Bush, so I don't get the conservative vs liberal slant. It seems liberals just trust government more than conservatives.

Well, house republicans overwhelmingly support warrantless wiretapping:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569

You and your buds might not, but I don't recall much outrage directed at these guys from the right.

Well, you're rarely going to find a more bipartisan vote than that one. Your average gun owner, conservative or liberal, is not likely to support that legislation.

Yet the average gun owner is likely to support the congresspeople who (overwhelmingly) voted for it. Because the second amendment is more important to them than all the others. Which was the point of the article.

What was the point of singling out conservative gun owners when 40% of liberals voted for it? Which was my point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2013, 04:06:51 PM
What was the point of singling out conservative gun owners when 40% of liberals voted for it? Which was my point.

Do you really not know? OK, guess we're done here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 02, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
What was the point of singling out conservative gun owners when 40% of liberals voted for it? Which was my point.

Do you really not know? OK, guess we're done here.

yeah, this is why the government is completely mumped right now and more than 50% want others to give more money to these idiots.  :flush:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 02, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
Hypocrisy exist on the left and the right - but mostly "republicans" don't pay attention and have no idea what warrantless wire tapping or the NDAA is - nor does your average "democrat".  Kind of like the left wing war protestors absolutely disappearing after Obama was elected. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 02, 2013, 08:00:57 PM
I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.

Maybe the message is getting out there.


Dallas pastor's wife kills herself with pistol outside of Texas gun shop
Harriet Deison, 65, was found dead in her car outside of McClelland Gun Shop on Saturday



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-kills-pistol-texas-gun-shop-article-1.1230950#ixzz2GsEmInsk
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on January 02, 2013, 10:20:31 PM
DNR

are guns illegal yet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TBL on January 02, 2013, 11:05:21 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...

It's so painfully obvious this crap is written by people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

Quote
Bullets are so easy to come by that it's clear that huge stockpiles exist throughout the country. But unlike guns, bullets are single use

Really!?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press)

 :surprised:
 :runaway:

Especially when the Department of Homeland Security purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition earlier this year, when the war in Iraq only used 70 million a year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 02, 2013, 11:14:16 PM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...

It's so painfully obvious this crap is written by people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

Quote
Bullets are so easy to come by that it's clear that huge stockpiles exist throughout the country. But unlike guns, bullets are single use

Really!?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press)

 :surprised:
 :runaway:

Especially when the Department of Homeland Security purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition earlier this year, when the war in Iraq only used 70 million a year.

They aren't handing those out, bruh.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on January 02, 2013, 11:34:39 PM
I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.

everybody spread the word.  this is the best idea so far in this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TBL on January 03, 2013, 06:51:02 AM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...

It's so painfully obvious this crap is written by people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

Quote
Bullets are so easy to come by that it's clear that huge stockpiles exist throughout the country. But unlike guns, bullets are single use

Really!?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press)

 :surprised:
 :runaway:

Especially when the Department of Homeland Security purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition earlier this year, when the war in Iraq only used 70 million a year.

They aren't handing those out, bruh.

There's a point made somewhere there, including that the DHS purchased 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow point ammo. That's only used on people. (It's handgun ammo for those squeamish about guns)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
Dlew may be on to something!

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/12/no-really-regulate-the-bullets/266332/

Also I hadnt even thought that one day you could be able to 3d print your own gun

Somebody didn't go to FattyFest...

It's so painfully obvious this crap is written by people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

Quote
Bullets are so easy to come by that it's clear that huge stockpiles exist throughout the country. But unlike guns, bullets are single use

Really!?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+reloading+press)

 :surprised:
 :runaway:

Especially when the Department of Homeland Security purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition earlier this year, when the war in Iraq only used 70 million a year.

They aren't handing those out, bruh.

There's a point made somewhere there, including that the DHS purchased 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow point ammo. That's only used on people. (It's handgun ammo for those squeamish about guns)

Why would Homeland Security purchase ammo that's not intended for use on people?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2013, 09:17:45 AM
Huge end of Homeland Security Fiscal Year hunting retreat. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 03, 2013, 06:41:31 PM
Why would Homeland Security purchase ammo that's not intended for use on people?

To keep down the white tail population.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 10, 2013, 12:55:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2013, 01:30:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)

Hmmm, #4 seems like a disputed fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 10, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)

Hmmm, #4 seems like a disputed fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

Interesting.  I do think its noteworthy though that schools are safer than ever. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 10, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/city-official-says-shooting-reported-at-high-school-in-californias-san-joaquin-valley/2013/01/10/272759c8-5b50-11e2-b8b2-0d18a64c8dfa_story.html

TAFT, Calif. — A student was shot and wounded at a rural San Joaquin Valley high school Thursday and another student was taken into custody, officials said.

The shooting occurred about 9 a.m. at Taft Union High School, a community of fewer than 10,000 people amidst oil and natural gas production fields about 120 miles northwest of Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2013, 01:46:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)

Hmmm, #4 seems like a disputed fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

Interesting.  I do think its noteworthy though that schools are safer than ever. 

I didn't think any of the stats were particularly interesting or particularly relevant, (other than the number of guns which seems to be interpreted differently than other has and had no citation associated with it).

I mean, cars are safer than they've ever been, too. Should manufacturers stop trying to make them safer?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 10, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)

1. Violent crime down - Economic prosperity and abortion are the cause of this.
2. This one boasts that mass shootings are lower now than at the start of the Great Depression.
3. Schools aren't safe enough, obvs.
4. Correlation =/= causation
5. There isn't a solid definition for assault weapons. also, the whole gunshow loophole.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: husserl on January 10, 2013, 02:59:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)

Hmmm, #4 seems like a disputed fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

# of guns vs. # of gun owners
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 11, 2013, 12:09:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6lyunRYMenY)

1. Violent crime down - Economic prosperity and abortion are the cause of this.


 :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 15, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
DNR

are guns illegal yet?

Pretty much in NY.  Find out tomorrow about everywhere else.  I don't have any guns but this is a bit concerning.  Also, if he is really going to announce these proposals surrounded by kids..... I mean, I don't even. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 15, 2013, 02:36:22 PM
Mods, please lock and disregard this thread. The shooting never actually happened.

Sorry for starting a fake thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQBUOF7_5A
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 15, 2013, 02:44:21 PM
Mods, please lock and disregard this thread. The shooting never actually happened.

Sorry for starting a fake thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQBUOF7_5A

I am really enjoying this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on January 15, 2013, 02:52:21 PM
Mods, please lock and disregard this thread. The shooting never actually happened.

Sorry for starting a fake thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQBUOF7_5A

I am really enjoying this.

I can't believe the kid from 2.5 Men is caught up in all of this. What the hell.....OBAMA!!!!!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on January 15, 2013, 03:05:04 PM
DNR

are guns illegal yet?

Pretty much in NY.  Find out tomorrow about everywhere else.  I don't have any guns but this is a bit concerning.  Also, if he is really going to announce these proposals surrounded by kids..... I mean, I don't even.

I find it ironic that the dem's are so adamant to 'protect da' children'. Yet Abortion is no biggie cause that involves CHOICES!
 :sdeek:

Death row inmates deserve to live too though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 15, 2013, 03:11:39 PM
Mods, please lock and disregard this thread. The shooting never actually happened.

Sorry for starting a fake thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQBUOF7_5A

LOL
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 15, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
DNR

are guns illegal yet?

Pretty much in NY.  Find out tomorrow about everywhere else.  I don't have any guns but this is a bit concerning.  Also, if he is really going to announce these proposals surrounded by kids..... I mean, I don't even.

I find it ironic that the dem's are so adamant to 'protect da' children'. Yet Abortion is no biggie cause that involves CHOICES!
 :sdeek:

Death row inmates deserve to live too though.

Well a fetus is not a five year old, but that belongs in the abortion thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 15, 2013, 04:14:50 PM
DNR

are guns illegal yet?

Pretty much in NY.  Find out tomorrow about everywhere else.  I don't have any guns but this is a bit concerning.  Also, if he is really going to announce these proposals surrounded by kids..... I mean, I don't even.

I find it ironic that the dem's are so adamant to 'protect da' children'. Yet Abortion is no biggie cause that involves CHOICES!
 :sdeek:

Death row inmates deserve to live too though.

Yep, I bet all of the criminals that use guns for criminal things are pissed now that they can do less criminal things with their guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 15, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
DNR

are guns illegal yet?

Pretty much in NY.  Find out tomorrow about everywhere else.  I don't have any guns but this is a bit concerning.  Also, if he is really going to announce these proposals surrounded by kids..... I mean, I don't even.

I find it ironic that the dem's are so adamant to 'protect da' children'. Yet Abortion is no biggie cause that involves CHOICES!
 :sdeek:

Death row inmates deserve to live too though.

Yep, I bet all of the criminals that use guns for criminal things are pissed now that they can do less criminal things with their guns.

Are felons going to be forced to give up their guns?!?!??? I bet all of them that voted for Obama are doubly pissed. :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 16, 2013, 10:40:53 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/14/1178971/-Don-t-Ban-Assault-Weapons (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/14/1178971/-Don-t-Ban-Assault-Weapons)

An article that I saw on facebook that I thought would be birther-style, but was actually a decent gun control proposal that I would agree with.

Forget about any attempt banning the "assault weapons" themselves and focus on limiting magazine capacity. 5 rounds max for rifles and 10 rounds max for handguns.

Offer a amnesty/buyback period for high cap mags after which any remaining high capacity mags are in violation and subject to fine and confiscation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 11:17:05 AM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 16, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/14/1178971/-Don-t-Ban-Assault-Weapons (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/14/1178971/-Don-t-Ban-Assault-Weapons)

An article that I saw on facebook that I thought would be birther-style, but was actually a decent gun control proposal that I would agree with.

Forget about any attempt banning the "assault weapons" themselves and focus on limiting magazine capacity. 5 rounds max for rifles and 10 rounds max for handguns.

Offer a amnesty/buyback period for high cap mags after which any remaining high capacity mags are in violation and subject to fine and confiscation.

I think they should just ban doing illegal things with guns. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 16, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

Like a real assault rifle or what the media says is an "assault rifle"???

I don't know the answer to either
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 16, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

Like a real assault rifle or what the media says is an "assault rifle"???

I don't know the answer to either

Play a video game and then you will know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on January 16, 2013, 02:04:02 PM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?


about 1.5-2 seconds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 02:05:02 PM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhWUoCXGlLg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 02:18:30 PM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhWUoCXGlLg

So it looks like the magazine limitation thing is just to look like something is being done and won't affect anything. A wacko killer will just need to carry more magazines.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhWUoCXGlLg

So it looks like the magazine limitation thing is just to look like something is being done and won't affect anything. A wacko killer will just need to carry more magazines.

Pretty much.  Or:

1.  There's already a ton of 20 or 30 round mags on the street, not hard to get them.
2.  Manufacturers will come out with a kit to piece together your own high cap magazine from smaller 10 round magazine.  This will happen, no doubt.  They always find a way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 16, 2013, 02:38:15 PM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhWUoCXGlLg

So it looks like the magazine limitation thing is just to look like something is being done and won't affect anything. A wacko killer will just need to carry more magazines.

Pretty much.  Or:

1.  There's already a ton of 20 or 30 round mags on the street, not hard to get them.
2.  Manufacturers will come out with a kit to piece together your own high cap magazine from smaller 10 round magazine.  This will happen, no doubt.  They always find a way.

Or they will just keep using the same things since they are criminals or crazy people that don't follow the laws anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 02:41:15 PM
I've never shot an assault rifle, but how long does it take to change a magazine, maybe a half second?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhWUoCXGlLg

So it looks like the magazine limitation thing is just to look like something is being done and won't affect anything. A wacko killer will just need to carry more magazines.

Pretty much.  Or:

1.  There's already a ton of 20 or 30 round mags on the street, not hard to get them.
2.  Manufacturers will come out with a kit to piece together your own high cap magazine from smaller 10 round magazine.  This will happen, no doubt.  They always find a way.

Or they will just keep using the same things since they are criminals or crazy people that don't follow the laws anyway.

Ya that's what I meant by point 1. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
The logic that "large clips are already out there so making future sales illegal will do nothing" is baffling to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 16, 2013, 02:50:33 PM
The logic that "large clips are already out there so making future sales illegal will do nothing" is baffling to me.
+
Hey, nothing can be done so let's do nothing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 02:52:17 PM
The logic that "large clips are already out there so making future sales illegal will do nothing" is baffling to me.

I can see that.  These nut jobs are usually anti-social so branching out to get them might be a risk and tough for them to do.  Certainly easier to buy online.  But believe you me, whatever the spec is on what is illegal, the manufacturers will find a way around it.  They just will. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 16, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
Each magazine change is an opportunity for error especially in a chaotic situation. and its not like these people are trained soldiers either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 03:02:41 PM
Each magazine change is an opportunity for error especially in a chaotic situation. and its not like these people are trained soldiers either.

It's not a chaotic situation to an insane person, which they all are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 03:24:14 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 03:38:50 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 16, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
How hilarious would it be if someone shot all the main NRA activists with completely legal guns? Like, what would the rest of the NRA say about it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 03:42:19 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 03:43:27 PM
How hilarious would it be if someone shot all the main NRA activists with completely legal guns? Like, what would the rest of the NRA say about it?

It would only prove their point I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 03:49:49 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.



That's not one of his proposals.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on January 16, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
To say there are a "ton" of 20 and 30 round mags already in existence would be an understatement. We are talking over 100 million, probably more.

We already had an 'assault' weapons ban from 1994 till 2004 IT DIDN'T WORK.


Violent crime and mental health is the problem. People are always going to get guns, it's a genie that can't be put back in the bottle. Look at Mexico, total ban on guns for private citizens. Most gun violence in the western hemisphere.

Dropping a mag and throwing another into the well takes literally a second, it won't stop a damn thing. The people making these laws have no firearms experience at all and haven't the slightest rough ridin' idea as to what they are talking about or doing.

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Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.

Really? Some guys in Afghanistan who can't even read would disagree with you, Along with every other invasion force that has tried to take it over.

Alexander The GReat
Genghis Khan
Timur
Mughal Empire
Russian Tsars
Royal Army
Soviet Army
U.S. Army

An insurgency is the best defense in the history of man kind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.



That's not one of his proposals.

Was this a basis for a proposal?

You posted a link saying this link was very reasonable.  I scanned it, said it wasn't very reasonable.  You asked me to say which "proposal" I found unseasonable.  Assumption on your part that I found a proposal unreasonable?  I C&P'd a portion of the link that I absolutely believe to be unreasonable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 16, 2013, 04:00:02 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.

The military would also have to obey an order to fire on US citizens, which I don't think many would do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 16, 2013, 04:12:04 PM
Really? Some guys in Afghanistan who can't even read would disagree with you, Along with every other invasion force that has tried to take it over.

Basically all they've done is be able to stay alive, which is good I guess, but they aren't exactly living normal, reasonable lives, or even lives worth living IMO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 04:16:45 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.



That's not one of his proposals.

Was this a basis for a proposal?

You posted a link saying this link was very reasonable.  I scanned it, said it wasn't very reasonable.  You asked me to say which "proposal" I found unseasonable.  Assumption on your part that I found a proposal unreasonable?  I C&P'd a portion of the link that I absolutely believe to be unreasonable.

thanks for the recap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 04:23:16 PM
How hilarious would it be if someone shot all the main NRA activists with completely legal guns? Like, what would the rest of the NRA say about it?

He might get one or two of them, but the rest would pump him full of lead. Those guys are all packin' heat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
How hilarious would it be if someone shot all the main NRA activists with completely legal guns? Like, what would the rest of the NRA say about it?

He might get one or two of them, but the rest would pump him full of lead. Those guys are all packin' heat.

not if we hadn't gotten all tyrannical in 1934 an outlawed fully-auto weapons. :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 04:34:44 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.

Are citizens allowed to own guns in these tyrannical countries? I would guess not, and never did, otherwise there would not be a tyrant in charge.

Remember in 2008 when Obama said he needed a citizen army as well funded as the military? What was that about?  I'm not a wacky conspiracy theorist or anything like that, but it does make one wonder. There are 300,000,000 guns in this country. I think even China would have a difficult time invading if they were inclined to do so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 16, 2013, 04:41:21 PM
If there are really 300,000,000 guns in this country then we are a country full of rough ridin' douchebags.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 04:52:15 PM
If there are really 300,000,000 guns in this country then we are a country full of rough ridin' douchebags.

It's true. Pretty amazing that we have so few gun murders. I guess 99.9999999999% of owners are responsible people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 04:55:03 PM
If there are really 300,000,000 guns in this country then we are a country full of rough ridin' douchebags.

More guns than XBOX's is a good thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
Very reasonable IMO:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/

Not very reasonable.  Maybe somewhat reasonable, somewhat unreasonable.

Which of his proposals were particularly unreasonable, and why?

3. The 2nd amendment protects us from tyranny.

Again, total fantasy. This is the big lie. There are any number of countries that don’t have our gun craziness that are not run by dictators. Tyranny is yelled so soon, and so often in these discussions that it’s meaningless. On my gun control thread the same person said that guns prevent tyranny and a minute later was talking about how Obama was a tyrant. Anyone see a problem with this? The idea that the US is anywhere near a tyrannical dictatorship is a joke. You people who think this are unreasonable and not worth arguing with, and should really consider looking at countries that actually have tyranny before getting on your free internet, in your free society, where you are free to buy hand cannons, monster trucks, and everyone has the right to vote, and you can chose any job you want, and go anywhere you want or even leave when you want, and start crying tyranny (and guess what – real tyrants don’t let you call them tyrants).

Also, the idea we can stand up to the US military? This is a legitimate threat to the military in the year 2013? Our military so far outclasses us that there is no chance some 10, or 100, or even 1000 person militia armed with AR-15s will be anything but a passing inconvenience. If a truly immoral tyrant came to power, in charge of a nuclear arsenal, sky robots, tanks and aircraft carriers, you aren’t going to stop them with your rifle. Red Dawn was not a documentary people, and you’re again in a fantasy world.

Are citizens allowed to own guns in these tyrannical countries? I would guess not, and never did, otherwise there would not be a tyrant in charge.

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[T]he country ranked last on the [Small Arms Survey] -- with only 0.1 guns per 100 people -- is Tunisia, which as you'll recall was still able to overthrow a longtime dictator in 2011. With only 3.5 guns per 100 people, the Egyptian population that overthrew Hosni Mubarak was hardly well armed either. On the other hand, Bahrain, where a popular revolution failed to unseat the country's monarchy, has 24.8 guns per 100 people, putting it in the top 20 worldwide. A relatively high rate of 10.7 guns per 100 people in Venezuela hasn't stopped the deterioration of democracy under Hugo Chávez.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/01/can-.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
I really think that we need to do something to stop kids getting murdered while they are at school. I understand that the Sandy Hook shooter was an insane adult, but at this point, Sandy Hook is an outlier and most shootings have been performed by students. I mentioned this earlier, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that kids are not mentally ready to handle a firearm. We should set a legal age to carry a gun of any type and I think it should be 21. Also, if you own a gun, anything that the gun is used for should be your responsibility, even if the gun is stolen from you. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns secure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 16, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 16, 2013, 08:54:03 PM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 09:23:50 PM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

Since we are trying to save kids, I say tax them. Not fair to tax hunters and sportsmen.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 16, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 10:35:55 PM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: camKSU on January 16, 2013, 10:40:56 PM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

That is not going to happen in the short term, so maybe gun control can help bridge the gap until that massive kumbaya circle occurs
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year,

I do.

My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

LOL, speaking of bullshit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on January 16, 2013, 11:15:15 PM
Completely different thread, but did any of the posters who are against more gun laws argue that Trayvon Martin should of been carrying a firearm?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on January 16, 2013, 11:17:53 PM
I really think that we need to do something to stop kids getting murdered while they are at school. I understand that the Sandy Hook shooter was an insane adult, but at this point, Sandy Hook is an outlier and most shootings have been performed by students. I mentioned this earlier, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that kids are not mentally ready to handle a firearm. We should set a legal age to carry a gun of any type and I think it should be 21. Also, if you own a gun, anything that the gun is used for should be your responsibility, even if the gun is stolen from you. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns secure.

JFC  :facepalm: You people went to KSU?

Yeah, because some cop stopped him on the way to that school and said, "You're old enough to own these right?"

No.

Guns are everywhere, you can't just write some legislation in D.C. and poof goes the magic dragon all guns and gun violence is gone. None of these laws are going to stop jack crap.

red: I should be responsible for something that was forcefully taken from my possession?  :facepalm:

It's like our generation thinks we are the first to discover and own guns. Quick! We need new protection from some idiot lawyers in D.C. from these alien wunderweapons!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 16, 2013, 11:40:55 PM
I really think that we need to do something to stop kids getting murdered while they are at school. I understand that the Sandy Hook shooter was an insane adult, but at this point, Sandy Hook is an outlier and most shootings have been performed by students. I mentioned this earlier, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that kids are not mentally ready to handle a firearm. We should set a legal age to carry a gun of any type and I think it should be 21. Also, if you own a gun, anything that the gun is used for should be your responsibility, even if the gun is stolen from you. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns secure.

JFC  :facepalm: You people went to KSU?

Yeah, because some cop stopped him on the way to that school and said, "You're old enough to own these right?"

No.

Guns are everywhere, you can't just write some legislation in D.C. and poof goes the magic dragon all guns and gun violence is gone. None of these laws are going to stop jack crap.

red: I should be responsible for something that was forcefully taken from my possession?  :facepalm:

It's like our generation thinks we are the first to discover and own guns. Quick! We need new protection from some idiot lawyers in D.C. from these alien wunderweapons!!!

if your dog gets out of your yard and kills a kid, i guess just too bad for that kid right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2013, 11:51:13 PM
I really think that we need to do something to stop kids getting murdered while they are at school. I understand that the Sandy Hook shooter was an insane adult, but at this point, Sandy Hook is an outlier and most shootings have been performed by students. I mentioned this earlier, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that kids are not mentally ready to handle a firearm. We should set a legal age to carry a gun of any type and I think it should be 21. Also, if you own a gun, anything that the gun is used for should be your responsibility, even if the gun is stolen from you. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns secure.

JFC  :facepalm: You people went to KSU?

Yeah, because some cop stopped him on the way to that school and said, "You're old enough to own these right?"

No.

Guns are everywhere, you can't just write some legislation in D.C. and poof goes the magic dragon all guns and gun violence is gone. None of these laws are going to stop jack crap.

red: I should be responsible for something that was forcefully taken from my possession?  :facepalm:

It's like our generation thinks we are the first to discover and own guns. Quick! We need new protection from some idiot lawyers in D.C. from these alien wunderweapons!!!

if your dog gets out of your yard and kills a kid, i guess just too bad for that kid right?

Horrible analogy.  What if somebody steals your car a runs over 20 kids on purpose because she lost her job at the daycare. Are you're responsible because you didn't lock it in your garage?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 17, 2013, 12:05:39 AM
i get what you are saying and perhaps my analogy wasn't the best, but if you are just leaving guns on your nightstand or the kitchen counter, then you should absolutely be held responsible for what happens with them.

that also goes back around to the point that guns serve no purpose other than death.  cars actually have value for human life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 17, 2013, 02:10:54 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 09:36:38 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 09:42:44 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair.

I never drive to work but I pay for traffic law enforcement.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 09:55:13 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair.

I never drive to work but I pay for traffic law enforcement.

You pay property tax on a vehicle you never use?  Seems like your own fault.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 17, 2013, 10:23:29 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair.

I never drive to work but I pay for traffic law enforcement.

You pay property tax on a vehicle you never use?  Seems like your own fault.

I'm pretty sure traffic law enforcement funding comes from more sources than just vehicle property tax.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 10:25:33 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair.

I never drive to work but I pay for traffic law enforcement.

You pay property tax on a vehicle you never use?  Seems like your own fault.

I'm pretty sure traffic law enforcement funding comes from more sources than just vehicle property tax.

Fair enough.  But I'm also sure even someone who walks or rides a bike or takes public transit benefits from a functioning traffic system. 
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 10:29:36 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair.

I never drive to work but I pay for traffic law enforcement.

You pay property tax on a vehicle you never use?  Seems like your own fault.

I'm pretty sure traffic law enforcement funding comes from more sources than just vehicle property tax.

Fair enough.  But I'm also sure even someone who walks or rides a bike or takes public transit benefits from a functioning traffic system.

Yes, just like the kids at Sandy Hook could have benefited from a more rigorous gun registration and education program.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 17, 2013, 10:34:17 AM
There was actually a conversation by co-workers today about the legitimacy of Sandy Hook being a hoax. Man... I work with some dumb dumbs.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
Here's a question:  should gun owners bear the administrative and law enforcement costs to ensure gun laws are followed?
Yes. Tax the eff out of ammunition.

So tax responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?  Doesn't seem fair.

I never drive to work but I pay for traffic law enforcement.

You pay property tax on a vehicle you never use?  Seems like your own fault.

I'm pretty sure traffic law enforcement funding comes from more sources than just vehicle property tax.

Fair enough.  But I'm also sure even someone who walks or rides a bike or takes public transit benefits from a functioning traffic system.

Yes, just like the kids at Sandy Hook could have benefited from a more rigorous gun registration and education program.

Then the kids/parents of kids should pay for it. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 10:44:25 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 10:52:35 AM
Then the kids/parents of kids should pay for it. 

I think it's fair for society to share in the costs, with much of the cost falling to gun owners via registration. You know, like automobiles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 17, 2013, 11:13:39 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

From looking at the chart it would appear that having guns for reasons of "self-protection" is a desire that exceeds the threat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 11:15:18 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

From looking at the chart it would appear that having guns for reasons of "self-protection" is a desire that exceeds the threat.

FTR lots of people have them for fun first, for protection second.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 11:16:50 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

The fully automatic ban in 1934?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 11:18:02 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

From looking at the chart it would appear that having guns for reasons of "self-protection" is a desire that exceeds the threat.

Just because something is not necessary does not give anyone the right to take it away from someone. 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 11:33:02 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

The fully automatic ban in 1934?

I would wager coming out of a depression had more to do with the decline in violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

The fully automatic ban in 1934?

I would wager coming out of a depression had more to do with the decline in violence.

you would lose a shitload of money on that wager.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 11:42:07 AM
JTMHTD, is your position that mass shootings and gun violence in general is an unfortunate but unavoidable side-effect of being American?

To some extent. We have developed our culture, and over the last 50 years, it has become more violent and immoral. It's just more sad when an innocent child gets caught up in our stink. My problem is this bullshit knee-jerk reaction and political posturing to do anything that will do absolutely nothing but make good people the scapegoats. Nobody gives a crap if gang bangers or white trash meth addicts kill each other, thousands per year, but throw a few kids into the equation and suddenly everyone is outraged and demands action today.

We live in a violent society, and nothing will change until we put the brakes on our immoral entertainment addiction.

Homicide rates are at levels last seen in the 1960's and aren't far off from the lowest recorded levels ever which occurred in the late 1950's.

(http://thepublicintellectual.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Homicides-1900-2010-2-300x236.jpg)

I never understand these mythical eras that people on the right swear by. The 1950's pleasantville, faux-conservative era that we must work backwards towards. Or the idea that it's still 1992 and all gun-related deaths are by crack heads and "gang-bangers".

The idea that you say we are more "immoral" a completely baseless, unprovable fantasy term, is enough to know that you prescribe to these ridiculous notions that there was one single era when the majority of the people were "good" and if we could just get back to that everything would be alright again.

From looking at that chart, it would appear gun policy has no effect on violent murder at all.

The fully automatic ban in 1934?

I would wager coming out of a depression had more to do with the decline in violence.

you would lose a shitload of money on that wager.

Support your response with some stats or stfu.

Why didn't the gun control act of '68 do anything? Why did violent murder begin its decline 2 years before the assault weapons ban took place?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on January 17, 2013, 11:57:58 AM
HeinzBallz slappin down tards.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 12:06:24 PM
Support your response with some stats or stfu.

Why didn't the gun control act of '68 do anything? Why did violent murder begin its decline 2 years before the assault weapons ban took place?

there is good legislation and bad gun legislation - not all are created equally.

Also, the US was absolutely not pulling out of the depression in 1934. Absurd to make that declaration. You should have argued that ending prohibition had a lot to do with it (and had a very valid point), but you didn't because you aren't a very rational person and probably shouldn't own firearms:

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/homrate1.htm
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Saw a ted talks yesterday that reminded me of this whole gun control debate.

http://youtu.be/b_6-iVz1R0o?t=2m52s

We're all just looking for some random patter - but in reality; stats on banning guns are equally as irrelevant as stats on having more guns in how they affect violence.

Look at us... just a bunch of carrier pigeons pecking buttons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 12:08:32 PM
Saw a ted talks yesterday that reminded me of this whole gun control debate.

http://youtu.be/b_6-iVz1R0o?t=2m52s

We're all just looking for some random patter - but in reality; stats on banning guns are equally as irrelevant as stats on having more guns in how they affect violence.

Look at us... just a bunch of carrier pigeons pecking buttons.

I don't want to ban guns at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 12:14:20 PM
Support your response with some stats or stfu.

Why didn't the gun control act of '68 do anything? Why did violent murder begin its decline 2 years before the assault weapons ban took place?

there is good legislation and bad gun legislation - not all are created equally.

Also, the US was absolutely not pulling out of the depression in 1934. Absurd to make that declaration. You should have argued that ending prohibition had a lot to do with it (and had a very valid point), but you didn't because you aren't a very rational person and probably shouldn't own firearms:

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/homrate1.htm

well atleast you provided one good point - prohibition. But suggesting a ban on fully automatic weapons accounted for that large of a drop is just as ridiculous as attributing it to any one change in policy.  Are you suggesting that all of the murder that was committed in the 20's & 30's was directly at the hands of someone with a fully automatic weapon?  That's the only way people killed anyone?  Poof - fully automatic weapons are gone... gosh I guess we can't kill anyone?  absurd.

It does seems the chart's "Rapid drop" took place over a ten year span.  We were absolutely on our way out of the depression by the mid 40's... of course we were at war.  Perhaps there is no magic bullet to end this problem and it's all social & cultural.  While gun policy is certainly subject to social & cultural temperatures - one does not necessary precede the other - correlation does not equal causation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 12:21:05 PM
Saw a ted talks yesterday that reminded me of this whole gun control debate.

http://youtu.be/b_6-iVz1R0o?t=2m52s

We're all just looking for some random patter - but in reality; stats on banning guns are equally as irrelevant as stats on having more guns in how they affect violence.

Look at us... just a bunch of carrier pigeons pecking buttons.

I don't want to ban guns at all.

sorry... restricting guns then.   I see it as the same thing really.  When we restrict them, and it has little to no impact at all - we naturally put more cards on the table.  Kind of like a pigeon pecking at buttons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Support your response with some stats or stfu.

Why didn't the gun control act of '68 do anything? Why did violent murder begin its decline 2 years before the assault weapons ban took place?

there is good legislation and bad gun legislation - not all are created equally.

Also, the US was absolutely not pulling out of the depression in 1934. Absurd to make that declaration. You should have argued that ending prohibition had a lot to do with it (and had a very valid point), but you didn't because you aren't a very rational person and probably shouldn't own firearms:

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/homrate1.htm

well atleast you provided one good point - prohibition. But suggesting a ban on fully automatic weapons accounted for that large of a drop is just as ridiculous as attributing it to any one change in policy.  Are you suggesting that all of the murder that was committed in the 20's & 30's was directly at the hands of someone with a fully automatic weapon?  That's the only way people killed anyone?  Poof - fully automatic weapons are gone... gosh I guess we can't kill anyone?  absurd.

It does seems the chart's "Rapid drop" took place over a ten year span.  We were absolutely on our way out of the depression by the mid 40's... of course we were at war.  Perhaps there is no magic bullet to end this problem and it's all social & cultural.  While gun policy is certainly subject to social & cultural temperatures - one does not necessary precede the other - correlation does not equal causation. 

You were the one saying that no gun legislation ever impacted homicide rates based on the information on the chart. Using the logic displayed in this post nothing could ever impact homicide rates based on the information on the chart. (which is far more reasonable)

Saw a ted talks yesterday that reminded me of this whole gun control debate.

http://youtu.be/b_6-iVz1R0o?t=2m52s

We're all just looking for some random patter - but in reality; stats on banning guns are equally as irrelevant as stats on having more guns in how they affect violence.

Look at us... just a bunch of carrier pigeons pecking buttons.

I don't want to ban guns at all.

sorry... restricting guns then.   I see it as the same thing really.  When we restrict them, and it has little to no impact at all - we naturally put more cards on the table.  Kind of like a pigeon pecking at buttons.

Yeah, it's the same except it's completely different. But using your logic, maybe a complete ban and seizure of all guns makes more sense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 12:33:55 PM
Yeah, it's the same except it's completely different. But using your logic, maybe a complete ban and seizure of all guns makes more sense.

except all force legitimizes & justifies resistance.  If you can believe that the majority of what causes these types of issues is social & cultural - the last thing you would want to do is justify some sort of resistance.

You were the one saying that no gun legislation ever impacted homicide rates based on the information on the chart. Using the logic displayed in this post nothing could ever impact homicide rates based on the information on the chart. (which is far more reasonable)


I'm saying it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest any one policy has any affect on violence.  Perhaps it dropped in the late 30's & 40's because of what was going on in the social climate.  Perhaps it peaked in the 60's because the baby boom post war had kids reaching the ages of 18-30; which happens to be the most common age brackets for violent offenders.  Maybe it peaked again in the 80's because baby boomer kids were having kids in that age bracket.  Maybe it was all economical. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 12:39:11 PM

Yeah, it's the same except it's completely different. But using your logic, maybe a complete ban and seizure of all guns makes more sense.

except all force legitimizes & justifies resistance.  If you can believe that the majority of what causes these types of issues is social & cultural - the last thing you would want to do is justify some sort of resistance.

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here.


I'm saying it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest any one policy has any affect on violence.  Perhaps it dropped in the late 30's & 40's because of what was going on in the social climate.  Perhaps it peaked in the 60's because the baby boom post war had kids reaching the ages of 18-30; which happens to be the most common age brackets for violent offenders.  Maybe it peaked again in the 80's because baby boomer kids were having kids in that age bracket.  Maybe it was all economical. 

It's equally disingenuous to claim that all gun restrictions have always and will always have zero effect on violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 12:42:16 PM
I honestly have no idea what you're saying here.


  Someone smart enough to get it will...  so there's that.

It's equally disingenuous to claim that all gun restrictions have always and will always have zero effect on violence.

So we agree.  No one has any basis for believing anything.

Continue pecking away at buttons.

 /thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 12:56:24 PM
I honestly have no idea what you're saying here.


  Someone smart enough to get it will...  so there's that.

It's equally disingenuous to claim that all gun restrictions have always and will always have zero effect on violence.

So we agree.  No one has any basis for believing anything.

Continue pecking away at buttons.

 /thread

LOL, like I said, taking away all guns wouldn't be poking at buttons. There would definitely be a change in the homicide rate. I don't think that's a good idea, but I also don't think keeping gun laws the same or making it easier to obtain firearms is a good idea, either. I believe there is a middle ground that we should try to find. Again, I'm a rational person, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
Here's a question for you that no one is talking about.  Meat production.   Stick with me while I beak at some other random pattern buttons.  Depression is often linked with several other health factors and no drug manufacturer would ever spend research money on anything they can't market.  Some people are beginning to find success treating depression by supplementing Omega 3 with high amounts of DHA & EPA. Why is this important?  Grain fed cattle have a diet that consist of high amounts of Omega 6's - that don't benefit brain function as much; grass fed cattle have a diet that consist of high amounts of Omega 3's.  Countries that have lower rates of violence also have a wider variety of red meat that is raised on a grass fed diet.

New Zealand, Switzerland, Europe...  all grass fed meat products.



See how ridiculous we can make this search for patterns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 01:15:28 PM
Here's a question for you that no one is talking about.  Meat production.   Stick with me while I beak at some other random pattern buttons.  Depression is often linked with several other health factors and no drug manufacturer would ever spend research money on anything they can't market.  Some people are beginning to find success treating depression by supplementing Omega 3 with high amounts of DHA & EPA. Why is this important?  Grain fed cattle have a diet that consist of high amounts of Omega 6's - that don't benefit brain function as much; grass fed cattle have a diet that consist of high amounts of Omega 3's.  Countries that have lower rates of violence also have a wider variety of red meat that is raised on a grass fed diet.

New Zealand, Switzerland, Europe...  all grass fed meat products.



See how ridiculous we can make this search for patterns?

Ha! I agree! Thinking gun policy can have an effect on gun violence is just as ridiculous as thinking meat production may have an effect on gun violence. Great point!
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:22:02 PM
I can't believe you're okay with killing kids, as long as they're blown up
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
What kind of a sick person are you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 01:31:57 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:44:43 PM
agreed - but I see them all as straw man arguments.

I also think addressing the issues of what creates violence would have just as much impact and take just as long to have any effect that the very best gun policy could create.  The only difference is addressing the issues that cause violence would have a much wider impact than just senseless death.  It may take 10,20,50 years...  Show me gun policy that wouldn't take the same amount of time.

And what I was saying earlier that you didn't understand, is if you create a policy that will piss off gun enthusiast - they will resist the enforcement.  It will create a whole class of criminals that wouldn't have been capable of any criminal activity before the legislation and will do just as much harm as it would good.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on January 17, 2013, 01:46:22 PM
What if I told you the government set up 9/11, is that something you might be interested in??
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 17, 2013, 01:47:50 PM
What if I told you the government set up 9/11, is that something you might be interested in??

Please, don't do it.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
Yeah...  That's not going to help.  Take it to the Alex jones thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
agreed - but I see them all as straw man arguments.

I also think addressing the issues of what creates violence would have just as much impact and take just as long to have any effect that the very best gun policy could create.  The only difference is addressing the issues that cause violence would have a much wider impact than just senseless death.  It may take 10,20,50 years...  Show me gun policy that wouldn't take the same amount of time.

I have absolutely zero issues with addressing social and mental health issues.  (In addition to revising gun policy). I do find it hilarious that you think we can easily fix the social problems that cause violence with policy while at the same time thinking there is no chance for smart gun policy impacting violence.

Also, I'm not 100% sure you know what a strawman is.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 01:57:32 PM
agreed - but I see them all as straw man arguments.

I also think addressing the issues of what creates violence would have just as much impact and take just as long to have any effect that the very best gun policy could create.  The only difference is addressing the issues that cause violence would have a much wider impact than just senseless death.  It may take 10,20,50 years...  Show me gun policy that wouldn't take the same amount of time.

I have absolutely zero issues with addressing social and mental health issues.  (In addition to revising gun policy). I do find it hilarious that you think we can easily fix the social problems that cause violence with policy while at the same time thinking there is no chance for smart gun policy impacting violence.

Also, I'm not 100% sure you know what a strawman is.

I'm the small government guy, remember?  Who said anything about policy. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 17, 2013, 02:11:22 PM
Hypothetical (like pretty much all the crap in this thread): if we could go back in time and ban production of any guns other than double barrel shotguns, six-shooter revolvers, and single shot rifles, (basic hunting weapons + personal protection pistols) do you think we would have fewer violent deaths today?  Assume we did a good/perfect job of keeping other, more powerful, military style weapons out of the hands of civilians.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
Would the military still have the weapons they have today?  Would everything else be exactly as it is now, just without the guns? If so, no.  I believe the trends we see in violence would be identical and we would be talking about some other way to restrict mayhem.  The conversation would at least probably be on the right track in my opinion.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 02:26:01 PM
agreed - but I see them all as straw man arguments.

I also think addressing the issues of what creates violence would have just as much impact and take just as long to have any effect that the very best gun policy could create.  The only difference is addressing the issues that cause violence would have a much wider impact than just senseless death.  It may take 10,20,50 years...  Show me gun policy that wouldn't take the same amount of time.

I have absolutely zero issues with addressing social and mental health issues.  (In addition to revising gun policy). I do find it hilarious that you think we can easily fix the social problems that cause violence with policy while at the same time thinking there is no chance for smart gun policy impacting violence.

Also, I'm not 100% sure you know what a strawman is.

I'm the small government guy, remember?  Who said anything about policy.

I'm sure you have a great plan.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
Why so condescending?  I haven't suggested a plan because I don't think there can be one.  Any action taken that requires some sort of force to execute will have negative consequences.  That's all I've tried to warn against.

Our time would be better spent addressing the issues that pertain to what causes violence. And not as an addendum to essentially what would be more violence, gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 02:41:00 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 02:41:56 PM
Why so condescending?  I haven't suggested a plan because I don't think there can be one.  Any action taken that requires some sort of force to execute will have negative consequences.  That's all I've tried to warn against.

Our time would be better spent addressing the issues that pertain to what causes violence. And not as an addendum to essentially what would be more violence, gun control.

I was referring to your plan to address the problems that cause violence without any policy changes.

It's so simple, everything else is a waste of time.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 02:42:04 PM
No, more people are killed by hand guns; probably because they're cheaper.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 17, 2013, 02:44:22 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?

An assault weapons ban is a small part of that conversation (albeit one that gets outsize attention from the media) but if you think its the main motivation or argument behind these measures you're mistaken.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 02:45:25 PM
No, more people are killed by hand guns; probably because they're cheaper.

I guess this is my line of thinking:

1.  In current conditions, how many deaths a year can be attributed to "assault rifles?"
2.  Is it enough to focus our federal government's attention in the face of other pressing issues?
3.  How many deaths would the proposed legislation have prevented?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 02:45:36 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?

Are you the one constantly obsessing over the assault weapon definition? Because I really don't care and have never singled out assault weapons as a good place to start with policy changes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 02:46:03 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?

An assault weapons ban is a small part of that conversation (albeit one that gets outsize attention from the media) but if you think its the main motivation or argument behind these measures you're mistaken.

What's the main theme of the conversation?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 02:46:45 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?

Are you the one constantly obsessing over the adult weapon definition? Because I really don't care and have never singled out assault weapons as a good place to start with policy changes.

No.  I just didn't want to perpetuate something I believe to be incorrect, but I did want to speak on terms that many here might understand.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 17, 2013, 02:47:54 PM
Would the military still have the weapons they have today?  Would everything else be exactly as it is now, just without the guns? If so, no.  I believe the trends we see in violence would be identical and we would be talking about some other way to restrict mayhem.  The conversation would at least probably be on the right track in my opinion.

Yeah I meant it as everything would be the same as now minus more powerful weapons for civilians.  I think I agree with you overall, although mass killings would be significantly harder to pull off, IMO. It's an interesting thought experiment. 

I go back and forth because I truly see no necessity for civilian gun ownership in a developed society, but I understand there is no way that all of the guns are going away.  I don't think you would see much difference in violence if you successfully took away all the assault weapons/high capacity magazines/more powerful killing machines/handguns/whatever.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Why so condescending?  I haven't suggested a plan because I don't think there can be one.  Any action taken that requires some sort of force to execute will have negative consequences.  That's all I've tried to warn against.

Our time would be better spent addressing the issues that pertain to what causes violence. And not as an addendum to essentially what would be more violence, gun control.

I was referring to your plan to address the problems that cause violence without any policy changes.

It's so simple, everything else is a waste of time.

Why does everyone look "up" for answers?  God & government.  Wouldn't people get farther if instead of feeling so helpless they ask other people to fix things for them, they just do little things within their control that help the community around them?  And fix things from the inside out?  Wait that can take years.  We want a fix right now damn it.  Lets impose gun policy that we can forget about after a vote that won't fix things now, but might have an effect within the next 50 years.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on January 17, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 17, 2013, 02:58:28 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?

An assault weapons ban is a small part of that conversation (albeit one that gets outsize attention from the media) but if you think its the main motivation or argument behind these measures you're mistaken.

What's the main theme of the conversation?

I can tell you that it's certainly not about assault weapons exclusively. And you could start with the fact that an assault weapons ban is 1 of 19 measures proposed by Biden. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 02:58:34 PM
Why does everyone look "up" for answers?  God & government.  Wouldn't people get farther if instead of feeling so helpless they ask other people to fix things for them, they just do little things within their control that help the community around them?  And fix things from the inside out?

I knew you had a great plan! I would suggest you run for office on that platform, but you obviously have better things to do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 17, 2013, 02:58:39 PM
I really think that we need to do something to stop kids getting murdered while they are at school. I understand that the Sandy Hook shooter was an insane adult, but at this point, Sandy Hook is an outlier and most shootings have been performed by students. I mentioned this earlier, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that kids are not mentally ready to handle a firearm. We should set a legal age to carry a gun of any type and I think it should be 21. Also, if you own a gun, anything that the gun is used for should be your responsibility, even if the gun is stolen from you. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns secure.

JFC  :facepalm: You people went to KSU?

Yeah, because some cop stopped him on the way to that school and said, "You're old enough to own these right?"

No.

Guns are everywhere, you can't just write some legislation in D.C. and poof goes the magic dragon all guns and gun violence is gone. None of these laws are going to stop jack crap.

red: I should be responsible for something that was forcefully taken from my possession?  :facepalm:

It's like our generation thinks we are the first to discover and own guns. Quick! We need new protection from some idiot lawyers in D.C. from these alien wunderweapons!!!

If minors were not allowed to handle guns, less of them would know how to use them. Also, yes you should be held responsible for somebody else using your gun. If you keep it locked in a safe, nobody is getting it unless you give them the combination. If somebody is going to be able to forcibly take your gun from you, then you aren't really doing a good job of protecting yourself with your gun, either.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 03:00:14 PM
Why does everyone look "up" for answers?  God & government.  Wouldn't people get farther if instead of feeling so helpless they ask other people to fix things for them, they just do little things within their control that help the community around them?  And fix things from the inside out?

I knew you had a great plan! I would suggest you run for office on that platform, but you obviously have better things to do.

So I have your vote then?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 03:00:35 PM
Why do people always specify gun violence and leave all other violence out?  9/11, Timothy mcveigh, and that janitor that killed 38 kids in a Michigan school back in the thirties are all completely irrelevant to you?

We've already addressed McVeigh and 9/11 both in this thread and with legislation. (Note: I don't agree with the Patriot Act, just like I don't agree with taking away guns). Also, those three incidents over the las 80+ are far less statistically significant than death from guns.

Overall, a pretty poor attempt at a strawman.

How many people are killed annually in the US by "assault weapons?"  Is it statistically significant?

An assault weapons ban is a small part of that conversation (albeit one that gets outsize attention from the media) but if you think its the main motivation or argument behind these measures you're mistaken.

What's the main theme of the conversation?

I can tell you that it's certainly not about assault weapons exclusively. And you could start with the fact that an assault weapons ban is 1 of 19 measures proposed by Biden.

Do we have the option of accepting the parts of the plan we like and rejecting those we don't?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 03:02:14 PM
So I have your vote then?

 No, voting is stupid. I feel like I'm "looking up for answers" when I vote.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 03:06:32 PM
So I have your vote then?

 No, voting is stupid. I feel like I'm "looking up for answers" when I vote.
Awesome!  We understand each other then.  Glad we could work this out friend.  Go cats!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 17, 2013, 03:07:43 PM
I really think that we need to do something to stop kids getting murdered while they are at school. I understand that the Sandy Hook shooter was an insane adult, but at this point, Sandy Hook is an outlier and most shootings have been performed by students. I mentioned this earlier, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that kids are not mentally ready to handle a firearm. We should set a legal age to carry a gun of any type and I think it should be 21. Also, if you own a gun, anything that the gun is used for should be your responsibility, even if the gun is stolen from you. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns secure.

JFC  :facepalm: You people went to KSU?
Yeah, because some cop stopped him on the way to that school and said, "You're old enough to own these right?"
No.
Guns are everywhere, you can't just write some legislation in D.C. and poof goes the magic dragon all guns and gun violence is gone. None of these laws are going to stop jack crap.
red: I should be responsible for something that was forcefully taken from my possession?  :facepalm:
It's like our generation thinks we are the first to discover and own guns. Quick! We need new protection from some idiot lawyers in D.C. from these alien wunderweapons!!!

If minors were not allowed to handle guns, less of them would know how to use them. Also, yes you should be held responsible for somebody else using your gun. If you keep it locked in a safe, nobody is getting it unless you give them the combination. If somebody is going to be able to forcibly take your gun from you, then you aren't really doing a good job of protecting yourself with your gun, either.

I think this is a bad thing, and you could add the word "responsibly" after them.  It's not like it is difficult to fire a gun with no background whatsoever, so why not teach gun safety before they are 21?  I can see an argument for not having concealed carry licensees until 21, or maybe even not owning a gun until then.  FWIW, I shot my first (non-BB) gun at 9 I believe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 03:07:51 PM
If everyone quit wasting time voting and more time fixing society's problems in their communities, there would never be another murder
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 03:22:20 PM
If everyone quit wasting time voting and more time fixing society's problems in their communities, there would never be another murder

What function of government actually works btw?  What gun control measure had an impact on gun violence that could not be attributed to anything else?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
If everyone quit wasting time voting and more time fixing society's problems in their communities, there would never be another murder

What function of government actually works btw?  What gun control measure had an impact on gun violence that could not be attributed to anything else?

who cares? analyzing them is a waste of time.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 03:44:40 PM
If everyone quit wasting time voting and more time fixing society's problems in their communities, there would never be another murder

What function of government actually works btw?  What gun control measure had an impact on gun violence that could not be attributed to anything else?

who cares? analyzing them is a waste of time.

Feels hopeless doesn't it?  That hopeless feeling can either remind you to appreciate what you do have control over and take positive steps towards that; or it can become pain that you can't cope with. So your natural defense is to project that pain onto someone else in the form of anger.  Here's where you either call someone an idiot, take something away from someone like a toddler asserting their independence, or grab the first weapon you can find and physically hurt someone.  All forms of anger, all very primitive responses to pain, and really no different from each other.  Gun restriction is violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 17, 2013, 03:46:47 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 03:52:35 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on January 17, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?


There is a different level of ease to which they can accomplish their task.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 04:08:41 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?


There is a different level of ease to which they can accomplish their task.

One thing all psychopaths have in common is unlimited focus on their primary goal, lack of procrastination, emotional detachment from anything in the way of achieving their goal, and great resourcefulness. A person does not commit mass homicide on a whim.  These are not crimes of passion.  People are underestimating what motivated individuals are capable of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on January 17, 2013, 06:29:29 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?

Considering most EU countries, Australia, and Japan have very strict gun laws, and not a problem w/ common criminals resorting to making bombs, It's pretty easy to state that people who make bombs are few and far between.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 17, 2013, 07:57:03 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?

Considering most EU countries, Australia, and Japan have very strict gun laws, and not a problem w/ common criminals resorting to making bombs, It's pretty easy to state that people who make bombs are few and far between.

I like how you throw in the "common criminals" to completely ignore the tremendously huge problem EU has had with bombings over the last 100 years.  The last 10 years alone, there are probably more bombings in London than aurora/sandy hook type shootings over the entire US. 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 17, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
Then the kids/parents of kids should pay for it. 

I think it's fair for society to share in the costs.

of course you do, breedercat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 17, 2013, 10:10:36 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?

Considering most EU countries, Australia, and Japan have very strict gun laws, and not a problem w/ common criminals resorting to making bombs, It's pretty easy to state that people who make bombs are few and far between.

I like how you throw in the "common criminals" to completely ignore the tremendously huge problem EU has had with bombings over the last 100 years.  The last 10 years alone, there are probably more bombings in London than aurora/sandy hook type shootings over the entire US. 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

Terrorist incidents are different than psychos and troubled kids deciding to kill some people on their way out. There is more motivation involved. I really don't think suicidal teenagers would go to the trouble if it weren't so easy to just swipe mom's gun out of the cabinet.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 17, 2013, 10:53:13 PM
Are the victims of terrorism any less dead?  I mean WTF?!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 17, 2013, 11:23:13 PM
Are the victims of terrorism any less dead?  I mean WTF?!

No, but I don't see your point. You would have a point if terrorists were committing mass shootings in the US, but there is no political motivation behind these shootings.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 06:58:53 AM
Two things: 1.  We don't know the motivation behind aurora or Sandy hook, so it's too early say what their motives were.  These situations may turn out that they were willing to do what it takes to commit mass homicide.  Holmes certainly wasn't out to commit suicide.

2. If your making the point that we shouldn't acknowledge the RIRA and other terrorist organizations, then really, you're missing the point entirely.  You're essentially saying no one in the US would find any political motivation to commit terrorism after harsh gun laws on its citizens were to be forcefully imposed.

Lets not create a whole new sub-class of criminals by redrawing the line in the sand.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 18, 2013, 09:17:01 AM
Are the victims of terrorism any less dead?  I mean WTF?!

No, but I don't see your point. You would have a point if terrorists were committing mass shootings in the US, but there is no political motivation behind these shootings.

My point being:  we (our govt) should spend their time/money/political capital on those things that:

1.  Would have the largest impact, and
2.  Are easy to implement

This isn't exactly a new idea.  Corporations the world over operate like that.

That being said, gun violence is small potatoes compared to things like texting while driving, drunk driving, suicide, and a few others.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 10:53:56 AM
I don't think it's fair to liken kids being murdered in school to "small potatoes".  But I think it would be wise to look at this problem in a way that isn't exclusive to the other tremendously huge problems you mentioned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 18, 2013, 12:44:19 PM
FIREARMS FOR EVERYONE!!!

http://gawker.com/5977112/security-officer-hired-by-school-in-response-to-sandy-hook-shooting-forgets-to-take-handgun-with-him-when-exiting-student-restroom?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 01:00:13 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 18, 2013, 01:18:38 PM
I don't think it's fair to liken kids being murdered in school to "small potatoes".  But I think it would be wise to look at this problem in a way that isn't exclusive to the other tremendously huge problems you mentioned.

Just the facts HeinBallz.  Way more people killed by other means than by nutjob shooters looking to make a headline.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 01:22:05 PM
I don't disagree,  but being insensitive is one of the major causes of polarizing this debate.  There should be a way to address this issue, including all of those other issues at the same time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 18, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
sys is still the only poster that presented a compelling argument in favor of not increasing gun control (and he definitely influenced my opinion a bit). It's weird no one else tried his strategy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 18, 2013, 01:30:23 PM
sys is still the only poster that presented a compelling argument in favor of not increasing gun control (and he definitely influenced my opinion a bit). It's weird no one else tried his strategy.

I don't care about your opinion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 18, 2013, 01:32:25 PM
I don't disagree,  but being insensitive is one of the major causes of polarizing this debate.  There should be a way to address this issue, including all of those other issues at the same time.

Isn't it pretty insensitive to put such disproportionate attention to this issue when other larger issues warrant more attention?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 02:05:06 PM
Calling out hypocrisy, even when it's justified, just pushes people away from the table.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on January 18, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
FIREARMS FOR EVERYONE!!!

http://gawker.com/5977112/security-officer-hired-by-school-in-response-to-sandy-hook-shooting-forgets-to-take-handgun-with-him-when-exiting-student-restroom?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
I mean, that has to be made up, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on January 18, 2013, 02:27:35 PM
bombers and shooters are absolutely not the same.

please nobody on this planet attempt to use that comparison again so we can have some more meaningful hopeless discussions.

Do they have different motivations?


There is a different level of ease to which they can accomplish their task.

One thing all psychopaths have in common is unlimited focus on their primary goal, lack of procrastination, emotional detachment from anything in the way of achieving their goal, and great resourcefulness. A person does not commit mass homicide on a whim.  These are not crimes of passion.  People are underestimating what motivated individuals are capable of.

Assuming psychopaths are the only group with mental illness that commit mass murders is an over simplification.  Assuming that all the people who commit mass homicide are capable of buying the materials and making a bomb, while not blowing themselves up or getting caught is a stretch for me.  I think if we make the task more difficult, it will allow more to be caught.  Though that is not me saying that it will completely solve any problem
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
Because people make their own coke/meth/heroin and kidnap their own child prostitutes.  That argument may have flown 20 years ago - but this is the Internet age.

None of this stuff is difficult any longer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 18, 2013, 02:31:53 PM
Because people make their own coke/meth/heroin and kidnap their own child prostitutes.  That argument may have flown 20 years ago - but this is the Internet age.

None of this stuff is difficult any longer.

what??? crackheads make their own crack? :lol:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 02:34:03 PM
Read it again in context.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on January 18, 2013, 02:37:42 PM
Because people make their own coke/meth/heroin and kidnap their own child prostitutes.  That argument may have flown 20 years ago - but this is the Internet age.

None of this stuff is difficult any longer.

Its a lot more difficult than buying a gun.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 02:45:59 PM
Because people make their own coke/meth/heroin and kidnap their own child prostitutes.  That argument may have flown 20 years ago - but this is the Internet age.

None of this stuff is difficult any longer.

Its a lot more difficult than buying a gun.

I disagree; and I'm not sure you're aware of just how common psychopathic tendencies are.  Most professional athletes & successful business owners would qualify as a psychopath based off of their behavior towards achieving whatever goal they've focused their minds on.  Not all psychopaths have criminal intent. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on January 18, 2013, 04:03:24 PM
Because people make their own coke/meth/heroin and kidnap their own child prostitutes.  That argument may have flown 20 years ago - but this is the Internet age.

None of this stuff is difficult any longer.

Its a lot more difficult than buying a gun.

I disagree; and I'm not sure you're aware of just how common psychopathic tendencies are.  Most professional athletes & successful business owners would qualify as a psychopath based off of their behavior towards achieving whatever goal they've focused their minds on.  Not all psychopaths have criminal intent. 

I'm completely aware of that psychopaths are some of the most successful people in our society, listened to a number of stories on it when that one dude wrote his book on it.  I just don't think that all of the mass murderers are psychopaths.  I think there are a number of potential disorders that could be a cause.  I think if you make it harder to commit mass homicide, it will happen less.  I also find it hard to believe that you think it is easier to build a bomb capable of blowing up 26 people than killing 26 people with a gun.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
Because people make their own coke/meth/heroin and kidnap their own child prostitutes.  That argument may have flown 20 years ago - but this is the Internet age.

None of this stuff is difficult any longer.

Its a lot more difficult than buying a gun.

I disagree; and I'm not sure you're aware of just how common psychopathic tendencies are.  Most professional athletes & successful business owners would qualify as a psychopath based off of their behavior towards achieving whatever goal they've focused their minds on.  Not all psychopaths have criminal intent. 

I'm completely aware of that psychopaths are some of the most successful people in our society, listened to a number of stories on it when that one dude wrote his book on it.  I just don't think that all of the mass murderers are psychopaths.  I think there are a number of potential disorders that could be a cause.  I think if you make it harder to commit mass homicide, it will happen less.  I also find it hard to believe that you think it is easier to build a bomb capable of blowing up 26 people than killing 26 people with a gun.
Who said anything about building a bomb?  I said you can get anything you want anymore - meaning you can buy a ready to blow bomb. 

Also, ftr, anything more than 4 people killed qualifies as "mass homicide"

Someone above tried to make the statement that Europe doesn't have a bomb problem - when in fact they do.  Maybe if guns weren't illegal there, they wouldn't have a bombing problem, but a mass shooting problem.  They clearly think bombs are easier to get than guns.   Hasn't slowed their overall violence down from the levels they've always been at.

 I'd like to bring this up again without anyone ignoring it,  but legislating strict gun control will create more criminals.  Not just by redrawing the line so that some people are already across it, but by providing the proper motivation for becoming criminals. 

This is a violence issue.  Gun restrictions are violence.  More violence does not solve violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 18, 2013, 04:19:54 PM
Someone above tried to make the statement that Europe doesn't have a bomb problem - when in fact they do.  Maybe if guns weren't illegal there, they wouldn't have a bombing problem, but a mass shooting problem.

How does the bomb death rate in Europe compare to the gun death rate in the US? (using statistics)

This is a violence issue.  Gun restrictions are violence.  More violence does not solve violence.

:lol: OK, now I'm convinced you've just been trolling. Well done. :thumbs:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 06:48:29 PM


How does the bomb death rate in Europe compare to the gun death rate in the US? (using statistics)

If you really care, I'll look it up after I put my kids to bed, but honestly - it's an apples to oranges comparison.  Europe has always had lower murder rates than us, even when we had identical gun legislature so i can tell you without even looking it will be lower.  Something about violence being social and or cultural.  Not to mention, there's really no reason to compare just bombs to gun violence, because there are a ton of different ways to kill people.  But I'm happy that you're finally starting to care about people killed by other methods.  So here's another thing I'll look into - overall murder minus murder via gun violence.  Lets say we some how magically removed all gun violence so that no other person was never killed by guns again - where would the homicide rate be.  Considering limiting guns won't have any effect on people being stabbed/punched/exploded to death.  I'll predict we'll still be one of the higher countries, which could only mean we have a violence problem,  not a gun problem.




:lol: OK, now I'm convinced you've just been trolling. Well done. :thumbs:

Yeah, I am trolling you a little but.  And you've been biting pretty hard.  It's only made my argument stronger while simultaneously weakening yours though, so it's been fun

Gotta go, kids getting out of the tub and I'm on duty!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 18, 2013, 08:07:59 PM
Europe has always had lower murder rates than us.

hitler, stalin, yugoslavia.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 18, 2013, 08:15:53 PM
:) no...  we're only counting the portions of Europe that people count when they say EU has lower gun violence then us...   That would be everyone but Eastern Europe.  If they get to be hypocrites, then so do I.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 18, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
Are the victims of terrorism any less dead?  I mean WTF?!

No, but I don't see your point. You would have a point if terrorists were committing mass shootings in the US, but there is no political motivation behind these shootings.

My point being:  we (our govt) should spend their time/money/political capital on those things that:

1.  Would have the largest impact, and
2.  Are easy to implement

This isn't exactly a new idea.  Corporations the world over operate like that.

That being said, gun violence is small potatoes compared to things like texting while driving, drunk driving, suicide, and a few others.

Last I checked, the government is already doing far more to stop texting while driving and drunk driving than they are gun violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 18, 2013, 11:57:57 PM
everyone but Eastern Europe.

hitler, mussolini, franco.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2013, 12:15:26 AM

Yeah, I am trolling you a little but.  And you've been biting pretty hard.  It's only made my argument stronger while simultaneously weakening yours though, so it's been fun

Which argument of mine have you made weaker?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 19, 2013, 09:23:09 AM
everyone but Eastern Europe.

hitler, mussolini, franco.

Damnit ...
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 19, 2013, 09:39:29 AM

Yeah, I am trolling you a little but.  And you've been biting pretty hard.  It's only made my argument stronger while simultaneously weakening yours though, so it's been fun

Which argument of mine have you made weaker?

Basically you freaking about any policy not doing anything.  I would just like it if people that talked about these issues would put the cultural struggles we have at the top of the list - rather than what law can make change.  There's already something like 350 federal laws restricting guns and I don't see how anyone can take any of them seriously and still acknowledge that over the last 60 years we've gone from averaging 4-5 murders per 100,000 to over 10 murders per 100,000 back down to 4-5 murders per; with most of the major gun policy changes occurring either halfway up the trend line or several years after murder rates were already trending down.  Maybe this wouldn't be so irritating if Hollywood wouldn't put out videos about demanding action, but instead everyone talked about what anger is and why it happens.  Most people have no concept of how basic human emotion works and they're completely flabbergasted at the thought that their pissed off rant of why dumb ass rednecks should have their guns ripped away from them is really no different - on the emotional spectrum - that some deranged person goes through when they kill a class full of children. 

Why can't education have a bigger impact than gun policy?  It doesn't have the same fundamental flaws than imposing law after a response to irrational emotional behavior.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2013, 10:54:13 AM
Basically you freaking about any policy not doing anything.  I would just like it if people that talked about these issues would put the cultural struggles we have at the top of the list - rather than what law can make change.

Why can't education have a bigger impact than gun policy?  It doesn't have the same fundamental flaws than imposing law after a response to irrational emotional behavior.

Hey, bud. The article I linked that you didn't read suggested making education a major part of gun policy. Has education ever been a part of gun policy? I know training is required for hunters, but I don't believe any education or licensing is required just to own a gun anywhere in the US. Is policy that requires an individual to take a training course before they purchase a gun the same thing as violence, (as you so reasonably suggested)?

Quote
A criminal background check would be only the start of an evaluation for ownership of these types of weapons, which I believe should include both magazine-fed rifles and magazine-fed handguns, such as used at Virginia Tech, in which a shooter managed to kill almost 30 people in about 10 minutes. These weapons should be restricted to adults over age 21 (or possibly older – Israel restricts possession to 27 if the owner has not served in the military). Sale should require gun safety training certification that is provided by law enforcement (I have received such training and it is useful), or a history of military service, and a subsequent license to own such weapons. These licenses should require renewal every three to five years with repetition of criminal background check, and verification that the weapons are still in the licensee’s possession.

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/01/09/a-gun-control-debate-with-matt-springer/
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 19, 2013, 12:20:26 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 19, 2013, 12:22:47 PM
It's become quite clear that the solution is more guns, not less. Thanks to everyone for participating in this discussion.

/thread
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2013, 12:25:27 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 19, 2013, 12:30:21 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

Why? I see nothing wrong with forcing people to be educated on how  to properly use something that can kill others when misused (guns, cars, etc.).
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 19, 2013, 12:36:16 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Thoughts on mandatory lawnmower or power tool training?  Mandatory education before you can buy liquor?  Alcohol accounts for as much death and tragedy in this country in a single day as guns do in an entire year. Maybe longer.

How about education before you can have children? If there's anything that ought to require a license, that's got to be it.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on January 19, 2013, 12:41:05 PM
Its impossible to have rational conversations about anything with FSD running around.  I'm impressed by the patience of anyone that tries.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 19, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
Its impossible to have rational conversations about anything with FSD running around.  I'm impressed by the patience of anyone that tries.

Maybe goEMAW should require Sugar Dick training?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 19, 2013, 12:51:24 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Maybe if we required everyone to buy car insurance more than 2/3 of drivers would carry it . . . wait a second. . ..!!!

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2013, 12:55:57 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Pretty naive, I guess.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on January 19, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
I think there's much more benefit in a mutual decision to enter into education without any manipulation - as in, you can't do this until you get this license.  It would take a complete paradigm shift to pull off with drivers licenses, but yes, I do think it would be possible to have safe roads without mandating licensing. Certainly no more dangerous than they can be now.  One of the first mindsets that would have to change is accepting the consequences of your own actions.  I'm not suggesting ending speed limits or police DUI checks,because those consequences are precisely what prompts education.  honestly - did you really learn anything in drivers Ed? Or did you learn through experiences of driving too fast, getting warnings/tickets etc.  could be the same deal with all weapons; (nothing required, because people are good at learning info for just long enough to past a test) but being a proponent of constant awareness.  I'm really not proposing anything more than speaking truthfully loudly and often enough that it becomes second nature.  I know for a fact it would work - how else would you explain liberals and conservatives spouting off with conflicting "facts" of why more guns or less guns equals less violence.  People are trained easily,  I'm just suggesting a change in dialogue. 

But anyway,  it's a beautiful day and ill be off my phone for the remainder of it.  Go cats!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on January 19, 2013, 03:25:33 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Maybe if we required everyone to buy car insurance more than 2/3 of drivers would carry it . . . wait a second. . ..!!!



You think 66% of the public would buy car insurance if not required to by law?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 19, 2013, 04:09:10 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-gun-show-in-honor-of-gun-appreciation-day/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 19, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-gun-show-in-honor-of-gun-appreciation-day/

lol.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2013, 09:30:53 PM
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/19/happy-gun-appreciation-day/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 20, 2013, 12:55:44 PM
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Maybe if we required everyone to buy car insurance more than 2/3 of drivers would carry it . . . wait a second. . ..!!!



You think 66% of the public would buy car insurance if not required to by law?

Probably.  You've got it backwards anyways. 


What percent of mass murderers would not commit mass murder if they had to take a test about which part of the gun was the action, and had to answer true or false whether a gun should be used to kill innocent children before getting their "gun license"?

I think we can all agree that's a really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 22, 2013, 01:17:04 PM
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Multiple-People-Reportedly-Shot-at-Lone-Star-College-in-Houston-187915451.html

Multiple People Reportedly Shot at Lone Star College in Houston

The North Harris campus of Lone Star College in Houston is on lockdown and students are advised to shelter in place after a shooting has been reported on campus.

KPRC-TV in Houston reports multiple people were shot shortly after noon Tuesday, though officials have not said how many victims there are or what the severity of their injuries may be.

The Associated Press reports that multiple people are injured.

Constables told KPRC that one person has been detained, though they have not said if that person is the shooter.

Check back and refresh this page for more information on this developing story.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 22, 2013, 01:18:14 PM
Constables?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2013, 02:06:26 PM
Quote
Students told KPRC that two or three people were involved in a dispute and that soon after they began shooting at each other.

Thank goodness they all had guns or they might not have been able to protect themselves.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 22, 2013, 04:29:06 PM
Phew!

Texas sheriff just went on the air to release a statement about today's shooting. Said "unfortunately there were a few people who were caught in friendly fire today".

Silly students. Don't they no better than to walk through a friendly fire stream? Kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2013, 04:53:45 PM
Phew!

Texas sheriff just went on the air to release a statement about today's shooting. Said "unfortunately there were a few people who were caught in friendly fire today".

Silly students. Don't they no better than to walk through a friendly fire stream? Kids.

Yeah, at the very least they should have been carrying guns. Then they wouldn't have been victims.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 22, 2013, 05:08:11 PM
Phew!

Texas sheriff just went on the air to release a statement about today's shooting. Said "unfortunately there were a few people who were caught in friendly fire today".

Silly students. Don't they no better than to walk through a friendly fire stream? Kids.

Yeah, at the very least they should have been carrying guns. Then they wouldn't have been victims.

Can you shoot a bad guy bullet with a good guy bullet? That would have worked here as well. Probably undergrads.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2013, 07:36:38 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57566488-71/man-allegedly-follows-gps-directions-to-wrong-house-shot-dead/

Quote
He is very distraught over the loss of life from the defense of his home. This incident happened late in the evening hours when he was home with his wife and he assumed it was a home invasion and he maintains his innocence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57566488-71/man-allegedly-follows-gps-directions-to-wrong-house-shot-dead/

Quote
He is very distraught over the loss of life from the defense of his home. This incident happened late in the evening hours when he was home with his wife and he assumed it was a home invasion and he maintains his innocence.

Apple maps is a cancer to society.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 30, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57566488-71/man-allegedly-follows-gps-directions-to-wrong-house-shot-dead/

Quote
He is very distraught over the loss of life from the defense of his home. This incident happened late in the evening hours when he was home with his wife and he assumed it was a home invasion and he maintains his innocence.

Apple maps is a cancer to society.

Yikes.  So this is basically minority shows up at old racist's house; old racist shoots minority dead?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 30, 2013, 12:13:16 PM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57566488-71/man-allegedly-follows-gps-directions-to-wrong-house-shot-dead/

Quote
He is very distraught over the loss of life from the defense of his home. This incident happened late in the evening hours when he was home with his wife and he assumed it was a home invasion and he maintains his innocence.

Well ya this dumbass is going to jail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on January 30, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
Quote
http://news.yahoo.com/phoenix-police-several-shot-office-complex-184706955.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 30, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
USA! USA!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on January 30, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
Annnnnnnd now this...

http://news.yahoo.com/teenage-girl-shot-killed-days-performing-obamas-inauguration-120200091.html (http://news.yahoo.com/teenage-girl-shot-killed-days-performing-obamas-inauguration-120200091.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2013, 01:51:30 PM
counter point:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Man-shoots-22-point-buck/AUU5z-dcx0Sjun1gY-SFjQ.cspx
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 30, 2013, 01:55:09 PM
counter point:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Man-shoots-22-point-buck/AUU5z-dcx0Sjun1gY-SFjQ.cspx

I think it's total crap that he wasn't allowed to use dynamite when he was hunting. Think of how many 22+ point bucks he would be able to kill why dynamite? I mean, it IS his property.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 30, 2013, 02:42:59 PM
counter point:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Man-shoots-22-point-buck/AUU5z-dcx0Sjun1gY-SFjQ.cspx

WHAT A rough ridin' MAN!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: husserl on January 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 30, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)

it's interesting that the only state without a reported gun death since sandy hook is the state experiencing the best economic times, north dakota. it's also interesting that a huge dickload of americans are getting killed by guns on the reg. surely this map includes suicide?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 03:55:50 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)

Only about 35% of those are murders. Nothing to sneeze at, but more intentionally misleading information.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)

Only about 35% of those are murders. Nothing to sneeze at, but more intentionally misleading information.

Do you think this statement supports less strict gun laws? I think it supports the idea I shared of requiring more strict licensing and education to own a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 04:19:45 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)

Only about 35% of those are murders. Nothing to sneeze at, but more intentionally misleading information.

Do you think this statement supports less strict gun laws? I think it supports the idea I shared of requiring more strict licensing and education to own a gun.

I do think all gun transactions need to be done through a licensed dealer, even if they only act as a middle man, so a thorough background check can be done on the purchaser. It should be quick and inexpensive enough to not be punitive, though. I don't have a problem with more education.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 04:34:42 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)

Only about 35% of those are murders. Nothing to sneeze at, but more intentionally misleading information.

Do you think this statement supports less strict gun laws? I think it supports the idea I shared of requiring more strict licensing and education to own a gun.

I do think all gun transactions need to be done through a licensed dealer, even if they only act as a middle man, so a thorough background check can be done on the purchaser. It should be quick and inexpensive enough to not be punitive, though. I don't have a problem with more education.   

someone on this thread (heinzballs) said those proposals were the same thing as violence on citizens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 05:18:15 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html)

Only about 35% of those are murders. Nothing to sneeze at, but more intentionally misleading information.

Do you think this statement supports less strict gun laws? I think it supports the idea I shared of requiring more strict licensing and education to own a gun.

I do think all gun transactions need to be done through a licensed dealer, even if they only act as a middle man, so a thorough background check can be done on the purchaser. It should be quick and inexpensive enough to not be punitive, though. I don't have a problem with more education.   

someone on this thread (heinzballs) said those proposals were the same thing as violence on citizens.

I honestly don't think anything the government does concerning guns is going to make a difference in regards to mass shootings. We need to have the ability to hold people for psychiatric treatment if a family member, police, or doctor asks for it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 05:58:55 PM
I honestly don't think anything the government does concerning guns is going to make a difference in regards to mass shootings. We need to have the ability to hold people for psychiatric treatment if a family member, police, or doctor asks for it.

That's pretty foolish. If the government took away all guns, there would absolutely be fewer mass shootings. I don't suggest we should go that route, but come on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
I honestly don't think anything the government does concerning guns is going to make a difference in regards to mass shootings. We need to have the ability to hold people for psychiatric treatment if a family member, police, or doctor asks for it.

That's pretty foolish. If the government took away all guns, there would absolutely be fewer mass shootings. I don't suggest we should go that route, but come on.

I understand, but taking away all guns is not a realistic option and there is no sense even talking about it. Every mass shooting we have, someone pops up and says "yeah, I new he was going to do something like this, he's crazy" or "we tried to get him help, but they told us they couldn't hold him unless he committed a crime".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 06:56:04 PM
I honestly don't think anything the government does concerning guns is going to make a difference in regards to mass shootings. We need to have the ability to hold people for psychiatric treatment if a family member, police, or doctor asks for it.

That's pretty foolish. If the government took away all guns, there would absolutely be fewer mass shootings. I don't suggest we should go that route, but come on.

I understand, but taking away all guns is not a realistic option and there is no sense even talking about it. Every mass shooting we have, someone pops up and says "yeah, I new he was going to do something like this, he's crazy" or "we tried to get him help, but they told us they couldn't hold him unless he committed a crime".

Taking away all guns isn't realistic, but it also isn't realistic to think ABSOLUTELY NOTHING could be done about mass shootings by changing gun policy/licensing/education.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 30, 2013, 07:37:21 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 07:53:05 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.   

Why can't it be like automobile registration? Auto owners have to pay their own registration fees. You have to pay to get a driver's license. Gun owners should have to pay similarly, but some of the burden of regulation would be carried by society, just like with cars.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 30, 2013, 08:09:46 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.   

Why can't it be like automobile registration? Auto owners have to pay their own registration fees. You have to pay to get a driver's license. Gun owners should have to pay similarly, but some of the burden of regulation would be carried by society, just like with cars.

The benefit of this legislation is allegedly to society.  Not just gun owners.  That's why. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 08:37:28 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.   

Why can't it be like automobile registration? Auto owners have to pay their own registration fees. You have to pay to get a driver's license. Gun owners should have to pay similarly, but some of the burden of regulation would be carried by society, just like with cars.

The benefit of this legislation is allegedly to society.  Not just gun owners.  That's why.

Are you saying automobile safety doesn't benefit society? Also, non-drivers pay for safer roads, just not as much as automobile owners.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 30, 2013, 09:12:07 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.   

Why can't it be like automobile registration? Auto owners have to pay their own registration fees. You have to pay to get a driver's license. Gun owners should have to pay similarly, but some of the burden of regulation would be carried by society, just like with cars.

The benefit of this legislation is allegedly to society.  Not just gun owners.  That's why.

Are you saying automobile safety doesn't benefit society? Also, non-drivers pay for safer roads, just not as much as automobile owners.

I don't really care about precedent.  I'm just saying that if the cost is laid to gun owners at a higher proportion than the rest of society then I am 100% against any new legislation.  Deal breaker, as I said.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on January 30, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.   

Why can't it be like automobile registration? Auto owners have to pay their own registration fees. You have to pay to get a driver's license. Gun owners should have to pay similarly, but some of the burden of regulation would be carried by society, just like with cars.

The benefit of this legislation is allegedly to society.  Not just gun owners.  That's why.

Are you saying automobile safety doesn't benefit society? Also, non-drivers pay for safer roads, just not as much as automobile owners.

I don't really care about precedent.  I'm just saying that if the cost is laid to gun owners at a higher proportion than the rest of society then I am 100% against any new legislation.  Deal breaker, as I said.

but people are getting blasted left and right so gun owners can experience the luxury of sport or protection or insurgence or play army or whatever. isn't it fair that they bear the burden for preventing the carnage?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on January 30, 2013, 09:22:17 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.

What gun owners have to pay is the least of my concerns, personally.  We tax the crap out of smokers, and they're killing themselves.  I have to go to a pharmacist to buy Sudafed because people make meth out of it.

Why not tax the crap out of, and make it a pain in the ass, to own an instrument of death?  Why not prosecute someone that doesn't report a "stolen" gun that is used to harm someone else?

Let people have the right to a gun.  Just make it a bitch to own and license.  That will decrease the number of guns out there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 09:28:46 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.

What gun owners have to pay is the least of my concerns, personally.  We tax the crap out of smokers, and they're killing themselves.  I have to go to a pharmacist to buy Sudafed because people make meth out of it.

Why not tax the crap out of, and make it a pain in the ass, to own an instrument of death?  Why not prosecute someone that doesn't report a "stolen" gun that is used to harm someone else?

Let people have the right to a gun.  Just make it a bitch to own and license.  That will decrease the number of guns out there.

It would also increase the responsibility of gun owners.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 09:40:12 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.

What gun owners have to pay is the least of my concerns, personally.  We tax the crap out of smokers, and they're killing themselves.  I have to go to a pharmacist to buy Sudafed because people make meth out of it.

Why not tax the crap out of, and make it a pain in the ass, to own an instrument of death?  Why not prosecute someone that doesn't report a "stolen" gun that is used to harm someone else?

Let people have the right to a gun.  Just make it a bitch to own and license.  That will decrease the number of guns out there.

It would also increase the responsibility of gun owners.

It would just increase the numbers of illegal guns and open up another black market.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 06wildcat on January 30, 2013, 10:41:24 PM
How about decriminalizing non-violent drug offenses and instituting a mandatory minimum of 15 years for a felon in possession of a firearm.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2013, 10:50:08 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.

What gun owners have to pay is the least of my concerns, personally.  We tax the crap out of smokers, and they're killing themselves.  I have to go to a pharmacist to buy Sudafed because people make meth out of it.

Why not tax the crap out of, and make it a pain in the ass, to own an instrument of death?  Why not prosecute someone that doesn't report a "stolen" gun that is used to harm someone else?

Let people have the right to a gun.  Just make it a bitch to own and license.  That will decrease the number of guns out there.

It would also increase the responsibility of gun owners.

It would just increase the numbers of illegal guns and open up another black market.

I don't think so. There is already a huge black market for criminals who get guns via law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens would be less likely to sell guns to criminals if they had to go through a registered middle-man, (which you suggested - great idea).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2013, 11:04:49 PM
How about decriminalizing non-violent drug offenses and instituting a mandatory minimum of 15 years for a felon in possession of a firearm.



Slow-clap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on January 30, 2013, 11:11:55 PM
How about decriminalizing non-violent drug offenses and instituting a mandatory minimum of 15 years for a felon in possession of a firearm.

I like this.

Tax them, hassle them, and jail them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2013, 11:51:31 PM
michigancat, I could maybe get on board if society in general were to fund whatever the regulation should deem necessary.  Putting it all on the backs of gun owners is a deal breaker for me.

What gun owners have to pay is the least of my concerns, personally.  We tax the crap out of smokers, and they're killing themselves.  I have to go to a pharmacist to buy Sudafed because people make meth out of it.

Why not tax the crap out of, and make it a pain in the ass, to own an instrument of death?  Why not prosecute someone that doesn't report a "stolen" gun that is used to harm someone else?

Let people have the right to a gun.  Just make it a bitch to own and license.  That will decrease the number of guns out there.

It would also increase the responsibility of gun owners.

It would just increase the numbers of illegal guns and open up another black market.

I don't think so. There is already a huge black market for criminals who get guns via law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens would be less likely to sell guns to criminals if they had to go through a registered middle-man, (which you suggested - great idea).

But I also said the cost to do so should not be so high as to be punitive. If you want people to follow the proper registration and purchasing rules, it needs to be affordable. I agree with the greater responsibility for crimes committed with a gun registered to you if you don't report it stolen immediately.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 12:00:21 AM
I don't think the fees need to be punitive, either. Definitely not beyond the costs required.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 11:33:31 AM
Do you guys realize guns are already taxed more than just like sales tax?  Ever heard of Pittman Robertson Act? 

I'm sorry, it's just not fair to tax responsible gun owners.  I'm all for heavier fines and stiffer penalties and what not.  The irresponsible will get what's coming to them.  This is a state's rights issue to me anyways.

You want less guns?  Then chill out!  You have no idea how many people have bought guns since Obama won the first election, simply out of fear.  Smith and Wesson has done everything they can to produce as many AR-15's as possible in response to these calls for legislation.  It's stupid, sure, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 31, 2013, 01:20:16 PM
Do you guys realize guns are already taxed more than just like sales tax?  Ever heard of Pittman Robertson Act? 

I'm sorry, it's just not fair to tax responsible gun owners.  I'm all for heavier fines and stiffer penalties and what not.  The irresponsible will get what's coming to them.  This is a state's rights issue to me anyways.

You want less guns?  Then chill out!  You have no idea how many people have bought guns since Obama won the first election, simply out of fear.  Smith and Wesson has done everything they can to produce as many AR-15's as possible in response to these calls for legislation.  It's stupid, sure, but it is what it is.

Someone who purchases a weapon designed to hurl lead bullets through a body out of an irrational fear of the non-existent (gun confiscation, home invasion, etc) is by definition not a responsible person as that gun is exponentially MORE likely to bring that person and his immediate family harm not to mention society, than to be used for self-defense.

There are 3 basic rules for gun ownership, no? 1) Always keep the gun unloaded unti ready to use 2) Always treat the gun as if it were loaded 3) Never point that gun at anyone or anything unless you are about to shoot.

Just recently at gun shows attended by self-described responsible gun owners,

 
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a 36-year-old man from Wilmington, North Carolina, was unfastening the case of his 12-gauge shotgun on a table near the show entrance when it accidentally discharged. The man planned to sell the shotgun at the show.

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A person is in stable condition at a northern Ohio hospital after being shot by his business partner at a gun show run by Conrad and Dowdell Productions, said Medina police Chief Patrick Berarducci.
The original owner of the Taurus semi-automatic 9 mm handgun used in the shooting brought the firearm into the show fully loaded. This is despite the policy of searches to make sure all guns are not loaded and rendered safe before others can handle them.

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And in Indianapolis, a man walking out of the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show shot himself in the hand as he was loading his .45-caliber semi-automatic firearm, Indiana State Police said in a statement.

Face it, humans and all our infallibility can't f*cking control owning guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
How do you propose to separate the wheat from the chaff?  I don't think you're suggesting denying someone their Constitutional rights, are you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 01:49:57 PM
And this is where I could, but won't, post several anecdotal stories of times people have lost their lives because someone decided their text message was more important than watching the road.  Which happens WAY more often than accidental shooting deaths occur.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
How do you propose to separate the wheat from the chaff?  I don't think you're suggesting denying someone their Constitutional rights, are you?

education/licensing requirements for gun owners, all guns being registered, all sales going through a regulated third party.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on January 31, 2013, 02:03:11 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 31, 2013, 02:17:19 PM
How do you propose to separate the wheat from the chaff?  I don't think you're suggesting denying someone their Constitutional rights, are you?

The constitution has already and will continue to be amended. Please stop pretending like it's sacrosanct. In this particular example someone convicted of a violent felony or someone who is mentally unstable is denied their constitutional right to own a firearm. Are you suggesting that this is an egregious violation of the constitution? You can't yell fire in a movie theater, is this a violation of your first amendment? The third amendment has never even had a case filed against it....because it's f*cking irrelevant.

Let's say though that you forget this but are still a strict constitutionalist, which I guess you are. How has the "right" to individual possession of guns and all the violence, murder, shootings, rapes, and so on, not trampled over your first amendment right to peacefully assemble or your fourth amendment right "of the people to be secure in their persons". Are you simply willing to forgo one right for another? And, if so, why the f*ck would a responsible person choose guns?


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 02:20:47 PM
How do you propose to separate the wheat from the chaff?  I don't think you're suggesting denying someone their Constitutional rights, are you?

The constitution has already and will continue to be amended. Please stop pretending like it's sacrosanct. In this particular example someone convicted of a violent felony or someone who is mentally unstable is denied their constitutional right to own a firearm. Are you suggesting that this is an egregious violation of the constitution? You can't yell fire in a movie theater, is this a violation of your first amendment? The third amendment has never even had a case filed against it....because it's f*cking irrelevant.

Let's say though that you forget this but are still a strict constitutionalist, which I guess you are. How has the "right" to individual possession of guns and all the violence, murder, shootings, rapes, and so on, not trampled over your first amendment right to peacefully assemble or your fourth amendment right "of the people to be secure in their persons". Are you simply willing to forgo one right for another? And, if so, why the f*ck would a responsible person choose guns?

You lost me here.  Plz rephrase.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 02:23:53 PM
How do you propose to separate the wheat from the chaff?  I don't think you're suggesting denying someone their Constitutional rights, are you?

education/licensing requirements for gun owners, all guns being registered, all sales going through a regulated third party.

Are you suggesting that people who go through driver's education never had a car accident?

Some of the above I could get on board with, but not if all the expense came at the hands of gun owners. 

In addition, not one of you ever acknowledged guns and ammo are already taxed an additional 11%.  Probably weren't aware of it?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
Have you guys seen this?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/17/guns-convicted-felon-murderer/1566414/

Step 1 ought to be enforcing the laws we already have.  The federal government has offered money to help states get compliant but it's still not working. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 02:57:45 PM
Are you suggesting that people who go through driver's education never had a car accident?

Of course not. But the fact that people have to demonstrate they understand our traffic laws makes our roads safer than they would be if just anyone could drive.

Some of the above I could get on board with, but not if all the expense came at the hands of gun owners. 

In addition, not one of you ever acknowledged guns and ammo are already taxed an additional 11%.  Probably weren't aware of it?   :dunno:

I've told you I don't think gun owners necessarily need to bear the entire cost. Also, money generated from that tax is almost entirely used for fish and game refuges for hunters, and was fully supported by both gun owners and the guns and ammo industry. Maybe bump it to 15%, and split the money between setting up a national gun licensing and registration program. There's lots of things you can do.

http://www.fws.gov/southeast/federalaid/pittmanrobertson.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 03:02:23 PM
I know where the funding goes.   :dubious: 

FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 03:04:51 PM
FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

uh, they do. This tax hasn't funded 100% of all fish and game projects in the United States. Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 03:12:42 PM
FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

uh, they do. This tax hasn't funded 100% of all fish and game projects in the United States. Jesus Christ.

Disproportionate!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2013, 03:16:22 PM
FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

uh, they do. This tax hasn't funded 100% of all fish and game projects in the United States. Jesus Christ.

Disproportionate!  :shakesfist:

It should be disproportionate. JFC.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

uh, they do. This tax hasn't funded 100% of all fish and game projects in the United States. Jesus Christ.

Disproportionate!  :shakesfist:

Are you sure about that? Source?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2013, 03:22:39 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2013, 03:25:42 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

Alcohol also leads to unprotected sex and little Fannings, so when it comes to life, alcohol giveth and taketh. Guns just taketh.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 03:33:22 PM
FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

uh, they do. This tax hasn't funded 100% of all fish and game projects in the United States. Jesus Christ.

Disproportionate!  :shakesfist:

Are you sure about that? Source?

100% sure.  Source:  my balls.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2013, 03:34:55 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

Alcohol also leads to unprotected sex and little Fannings, so when it comes to life, alcohol giveth and taketh. Guns just taketh.

I watched Buckwild the other day, and guns are as big a turn on as alcohol, evidently.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2013, 03:36:22 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

Alcohol also leads to unprotected sex and little Fannings, so when it comes to life, alcohol giveth and taketh. Guns just taketh.

I watched Buckwild the other day, and guns are as big a turn on as alcohol, evidently.

That's a good point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 03:37:00 PM
Guns create habitat for lots of little cute animals and crap!  :shakesfist:  <-- not at the animals

 :love:   <-----  at the animals
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 04:02:47 PM
Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

you're only counting murders, which are only 35% of gun deaths since Newtown.

(I'm not arguing in favor of banning guns, just saying)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

you're only counting murders, which are only 35% of gun deaths since Newtown.

(I'm not arguing in favor of banning guns, just saying)

No, for this one we can count all gun related deaths.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 31, 2013, 04:39:43 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

Alcohol also leads to unprotected sex and little Fannings, so when it comes to life, alcohol giveth and taketh. Guns just taketh.

I enjoyed this post.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 31, 2013, 05:46:10 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

And that's why we have laws restricting the ways you can purchase and consume alcohol, also have random check points on occasion to check up on drinking and driving. What your saying is we shouldn't have more strict laws on gun control, and we already have strict laws on alcohol, so that argument is not comparable. Pass it on to your conservative buddies, I'm tired of hearing it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2013, 06:22:33 PM
amend the constitution to ban guns. we already amended it once to allow them. it's not really very complicated. screaming that it's not an option is a pretty shitty argument.

Alcohol kills more people, both user and innocent bystander, than guns, so we amended the constitution to eliminate it.

And that's why we have laws restricting the ways you can purchase and consume alcohol, also have random check points on occasion to check up on drinking and driving. What your saying is we shouldn't have more strict laws on gun control, and we already have strict laws on alcohol, so that argument is not comparable. Pass it on to your conservative buddies, I'm tired of hearing it.

You haven't been paying attention.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on January 31, 2013, 07:00:37 PM
FWIW, people who don't buy guns and ammo are able to benefit from that tax (like people who just like to watch or photograph wildlife instead of shoot them).  They ought to share some of the burden.

uh, they do. This tax hasn't funded 100% of all fish and game projects in the United States. Jesus Christ.

Disproportionate!  :shakesfist:

Are you sure about that? Source?

100% sure.  Source:  my balls.

I enjoyed this exchange, thank you  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 31, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Wife went to work today. At her job, they practiced a drill on how to react during an armed crisis.  Her job is teaching math to 10yr olds. 

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Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2013, 08:02:52 PM
Wife went to work today. At her job, they practiced a drill on how to react during an armed crisis.  Her job is teaching math to 10yr olds. 

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There is a "safety symposium" at my kid's school tonight for concerned (suburban) parents to air their safety concerns. Thankfully I had to bring work home.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 31, 2013, 08:10:27 PM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2013, 08:18:40 PM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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guy needs treatment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2013, 08:45:36 PM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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 Better get the wife some heat.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 31, 2013, 09:12:11 PM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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guy needs treatment.

How?  Not illegal to be insane.  Gonna infringe on his right to not put drugs in his system?

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Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2013, 10:29:11 PM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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guy needs treatment.

How?  Not illegal to be insane.  Gonna infringe on his right to not put drugs in his system?

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It's a pickle, for sure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 01, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

That would depend on where you live.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Quote
Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free. Even violent felons may petition to have their firearms rights restored in states like Ohio, Minnesota and Virginia. Some states, including Georgia and Nebraska, award scores of pardons every year that specifically confer gun privileges.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2013, 10:41:05 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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ours was due to some guy getting into a school and murdering 26 kids or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2013, 10:48:40 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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ours was due to some guy getting into a school and murdering 26 kids or something.

A macro view.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
also it's one of those california schools that is almost completely open air. I mean you can just walk down the halls any time of day and no one would give you a second look. But still, the mass murder of the children probably was the biggest reason.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 11:04:56 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 01, 2013, 11:27:25 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FOIrYyQawGI/TC0thVs0DoI/AAAAAAAAC3w/AfRWy2zTqPo/s1600/StrawMan.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 11:28:17 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FOIrYyQawGI/TC0thVs0DoI/AAAAAAAAC3w/AfRWy2zTqPo/s1600/StrawMan.jpg)

Was a question, not assertion?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 01, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
Was a question, not assertion?

Right.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2013, 11:48:00 AM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

Nope.  all we can do is fortress our kids in school and intricately weave together a productive learning environment out of fear, good intentions, and personal freedoms. 

Emo, where at your place of work do you guys hide during your armed crisis drills?  My 5 yr old son's class all stuff into a single hole bathroom and turn out the light and bolt the door.  My wife's classroom and my 7 yr old daughter's class are similar in that neither is lucky enough to have a bathroom in it, so they all(20 kids or so each) have to get as close to under the teacher's desk as they can since they have no other place to hide due to a window wall on one interior wall and the exterior wall as well as large glass sidelites on the door and the school doesn't have the budget to provide adequate window coverings to obstruct view from outside the room(you know, funding issues and all).  Does your employer provide adequate places to cower during an armed breach?

The armed crisis drills go off pretty well at their school.  I mean, it's kinda like the tornado drills from when you were a kid, only instead of lining the hall and learning about how to protect your head, they are all getting shoved into dark closets while cops go through the rooms one by one and simulate an insane armed maniac trying to force the door to the said closet while everyone learns to stay quiet and stuff. 

As soon as the drill is over, everyone is congratulated on doing a good job and a few pointers are given on how to further decrease your chance of being shot if the real thing should ever occur.  Then they go back to working on reading and stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 01, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

That would depend on where you live.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free. Even violent felons may petition to have their firearms rights restored in states like Ohio, Minnesota and Virginia. Some states, including Georgia and Nebraska, award scores of pardons every year that specifically confer gun privileges.

I am almost certain shooting someone counts a violent offense
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 01, 2013, 01:05:40 PM
If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

That would depend on where you live.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Quote
Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free. Even violent felons may petition to have their firearms rights restored in states like Ohio, Minnesota and Virginia. Some states, including Georgia and Nebraska, award scores of pardons every year that specifically confer gun privileges.

I am almost certain shooting someone counts a violent offense

Ok. Still depends on the state.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 01:46:44 PM
Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

Nope.  all we can do is fortress our kids in school and intricately weave together a productive learning environment out of fear, good intentions, and personal freedoms. 

Emo, where at your place of work do you guys hide during your armed crisis drills?  My 5 yr old son's class all stuff into a single hole bathroom and turn out the light and bolt the door.  My wife's classroom and my 7 yr old daughter's class are similar in that neither is lucky enough to have a bathroom in it, so they all(20 kids or so each) have to get as close to under the teacher's desk as they can since they have no other place to hide due to a window wall on one interior wall and the exterior wall as well as large glass sidelites on the door and the school doesn't have the budget to provide adequate window coverings to obstruct view from outside the room(you know, funding issues and all).  Does your employer provide adequate places to cower during an armed breach?

The armed crisis drills go off pretty well at their school.  I mean, it's kinda like the tornado drills from when you were a kid, only instead of lining the hall and learning about how to protect your head, they are all getting shoved into dark closets while cops go through the rooms one by one and simulate an insane armed maniac trying to force the door to the said closet while everyone learns to stay quiet and stuff. 

As soon as the drill is over, everyone is congratulated on doing a good job and a few pointers are given on how to further decrease your chance of being shot if the real thing should ever occur.  Then they go back to working on reading and stuff.

We don't have armed crisis drills.  What's your point though?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
My point is that it is ridiculous that such things have become an accepted part of my wife's job, or anyone's job not directly involved in security or defense.  It is ridiculous that such things have become a required measure for my children, or any children, to have to practice while attending elementary school. 

It is easy to become jaded about this crap, but just think about the fact that an elementary teacher has to go to work just like you or I but now has to understand the best way to hide from an armed gunman while at that job.  That is now part of said teacher's process.  Bell at 8:15, gym at 10am, lunch at 11:15, crisis drill so kids don't get massacred at 2:00.   That is the most ridiculous thing I could imagine.  We live in a society that has made this something that happens now yet all that is being discussed are two ludicrous things in either 1. take all guns away, or 2. Alcohol and cars should be illegal.  Oh, also that discussed is that teachers are paid too much.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2013, 03:34:58 PM
Our parents ducked under desks during the Cuban missile crisis.   :dunno:  If it's not one thing it's something else.  (I do agree it's ridiculous, though, from multiple standpoints.)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
Our parents ducked under desks during the Cuban missile crisis.   :dunno:  If it's not one thing it's something else.  (I do agree it's ridiculous, though, from multiple standpoints.)

Yeah and kids in the 40's did air raid drills.  You should expect such things when you are at war or near war with another country that has a distinct possibility of harming your citizens as part of that war.  This issue is us.  It's our ppl, our culture, our society, and those who should be working to resolve it are instead spinning it as best they can to make the other side look bad rather than resolving it.

Something has to change and that change, in order to actually have a legitimate effect, will have to limit someone's rights.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 01, 2013, 04:58:16 PM
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 01, 2013, 05:43:04 PM
people seem to spending a lot of time and money worrying about children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on February 01, 2013, 05:43:56 PM
people seem to spending a lot of time and money worrying about children.

 :lol:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 08:27:44 AM
Anyone disputing the stance that new gun laws won't have any impact should try explaining how one of the over 300 gun laws have contributed to the decline, then rise, then decline again of violent deaths in the USA. It would serve your stance better than posting pictures of straw men.

Although, I guess It's a lot easier to expunge yourself of guilt by asking someone else to deal with things for you.  Casting a ballot is an awfully convenient method of passing the buck and not admitting to yourself that this problem can't be solved with a child like emotional fit of taking something away from someone.  Email your congressman/senator then forget about it. 

So excuse me if I see anyone as clamoring for gun control as incredible naive, lazy, OR not willing to admit that some of the things that can cause this type of violence is something they are or were guilty of and are awfully lucky their own kid doesn't commit suicide or murder them in their sleep.

Take 30 minutes and listen to this; ignore the video, just listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3l_e_paeIA&sns=em
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 02, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
thanks kstatefreak42
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 10:27:45 AM
thanks kstatefreak42

Does that make you feel better about yourself?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 02, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Anyone disputing the stance that new gun laws won't have any impact should try explaining how one of the over 300 gun laws have contributed to the decline, then rise, then decline again of violent deaths in the USA. It would serve your stance better than posting pictures of straw men.

Although, I guess It's a lot easier to expunge yourself of guilt by asking someone else to deal with things for you.  Casting a ballot is an awfully convenient method of passing the buck and not admitting to yourself that this problem can't be solved with a child like emotional fit of taking something away from someone.  Email your congressman/senator then forget about it. 

So excuse me if I see anyone as clamoring for gun control as incredible naive, lazy, OR not willing to admit that some of the things that can cause this type of violence is something they are or were guilty of and are awfully lucky their own kid doesn't commit suicide or murder them in their sleep.

Take 30 minutes and listen to this; ignore the video, just listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3l_e_paeIA&sns=em

Mental health is only a factor in a small percentage of gun violence crimes.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
Really? So perfectly sane healthy people are going around and shooting people?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 12:53:29 PM
You have an odd definition of someone who is Healthy and sane.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 02, 2013, 12:58:25 PM
Really? So perfectly sane healthy people are going around and shooting people?

don't be stupid, of course they are.  the insane guy shoots 30 people stories get a lot of attention, and a lot of the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) responses from lawmakers or wannabe lawmakers are aimed at those crimes, but they're statistically nothing.  the majority of people killed by guns are people that shoot themselves, in second place come people that are shot by other sane, healthy people, either intentionally, recklessly or accidentally.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 02, 2013, 01:02:07 PM
Did you look at the numbers I posted? The number of accidents (not a sanity issue)? Or the number of situations of anger end in gun violence? Or the number of guns not locked up in a house? I mean, that part's insane, the number of people who don't have their guns locked up. And the number of people who sell guns to people without doing background checks. But yeah, the system we have right now is fine. No punishments for guns not being locked up, no classes that need to be taken to own a gun, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 02, 2013, 01:07:45 PM
Did you look at the numbers I posted? The number of accidents (not a sanity issue)? Or the number of situations of anger end in gun violence? Or the number of guns not locked up in a house? I mean, that part's insane, the number of people who don't have their guns locked up. And the number of people who sell guns to people without doing background checks. But yeah, the system we have right now is fine. No punishments for guns not being locked up, no classes that need to be taken to own a gun, etc.

the things you mention aren't symptoms of insanity, jakesie.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 02, 2013, 02:14:11 PM
Did you look at the numbers I posted? The number of accidents (not a sanity issue)? Or the number of situations of anger end in gun violence? Or the number of guns not locked up in a house? I mean, that part's insane, the number of people who don't have their guns locked up. And the number of people who sell guns to people without doing background checks. But yeah, the system we have right now is fine. No punishments for guns not being locked up, no classes that need to be taken to own a gun, etc.

the things you mention aren't symptoms of insanity, jakesie.

Right, that was my point.

Edit: My response was to Heinballz, not you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 02, 2013, 03:43:27 PM
Edit: My response was to Heinballz, not you.

oh.  sorry.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on February 02, 2013, 04:05:42 PM
Guns or no guns, people will die.  That's what they do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 04:17:15 PM
Is this a joke?  Without even looking at the stats you pointed out, I know you're wrong.  But to humor you, allow me to post official stats and not some huffington post/msnbc/cnn/fox/etc. article. 

Accidental gun deaths per 100,000 in the US is as follows:
2010: 0.206
2009: 0.18
2008: 0.19
2007: 0.20
2006: 0.22
2005: 0.276 23
2004: 0.226
2003: 0.25
2002: 0.26
2001: 0.286 19
2000: 0.286
1999: 0.30
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

Murder rates in that same time period:
2010    4.8
2009    5.0
2008    5.4
2007    5.6
2006    5.7
2005    5.6
2004    5.5
2003    5.7
2002    5.6
2001    5.6
2000    5.5
1999    5.7
US murder rates taken from: http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeTrendsInOneVar.cfm

Accidental deaths is hardly even a portion of any those statistics.  Eliminating all accidental gun deaths would still leave us at substantially higher murder rates than every country gun control enthusiast keep comparing us to. And seriously?  You're suggesting that "someone who kills someone out of anger" isn't crazy behavior? Again, you have an extremely warped sense of what is perfectly sane and what is crazy.

Why is it so hard to admit that this is a cultural problem of resorting to violence and has absolutely nothing to do with the ease of obtaining tools of violence.  Perhaps if there was a greater rate of one parent staying home and raising kids without some economical strain or greater ease of obtaining qualified therapy (Not psychoactive drugs) then we could not only reduce that violent murder rates, but help with hundreds of thousands of other issues.   Know why that isn't a topic?  Because it's harder to admit that things we're all guilty of doing are causing these problems.  Hypocrisy knows no bounds, yet everyone can justify in their own mind why they're right and everyone else is the problem.  I know, I know... no one is suggesting mental health should not be looked at.  Further gun restrictions can only be enforced by violent means and does nothing but justifies resistance against authority.  Why should the Military have the right to protect me with something that I cannot own.  If the local police force finds justifiable means to defend themselves with an AR15, then I should have that same right. 

And to the people that keep bringing up the constitution saying the founding fathers would never have allowed you to own an AR15 - the speculation of validity to that argument can not be proved - however, for a group of men that just escaped a tyrannical government, they never would have allowed our government to have AR15's, M16's, Nuke's, Tanks, etc.   The line should have been drawn at bombs - but it's too late for that.   So unless the government & police force are also considering disarming themselves, than I"m pretty sure the founding fathers would be okay with you having equal force to any government sponsored militia. 








Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 02, 2013, 04:18:19 PM
Do you think everyone that commits murder is insane?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 02, 2013, 05:55:19 PM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.

And how do you plan to diagnose all the people who have serious issues with conflict management? Because apparently there are a lot of them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on February 02, 2013, 05:56:34 PM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.

And how do you plan to diagnose all the people who have serious issues with conflict management? Because apparently there are a lot of them.

we don't need to diagnose them, just leave things the way we are.  good grief.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 02, 2013, 06:09:30 PM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.

And how do you plan to diagnose all the people who have serious issues with conflict management? Because apparently there are a lot of them.

we don't need to diagnose them, just leave things the way we are.  good grief.

You are so edgy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on February 02, 2013, 06:18:06 PM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.

And how do you plan to diagnose all the people who have serious issues with conflict management? Because apparently there are a lot of them.

we don't need to diagnose them, just leave things the way we are.  good grief.

You are so edgy.

i am very edgy.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 06:25:14 PM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.

And how do you plan to diagnose all the people who have serious issues with conflict management? Because apparently there are a lot of them.

I think people are pretty good at diagnosing themselves or the ones they love actually.  All I would propose is making avenues for treatment much more attainable.  It would be a much better start and would have a greater impact than any gun restrictions would have.  And I'm not even really talking about this being a government run deal. 

"Would anyone like to donate to some program I'm thinking of creating that would help single parents taking care of their bills while they undergo RAD wilderness therapy?"

See... Something like that.  Wouldn't that have such an amazing reach if Hollywood actors &actresses were pitching this kind of "action now"?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 02, 2013, 06:30:00 PM
Yeah, people who show signs of being overly aggressive generally respond really well when someone tells them they need to get some help.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 02, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
Yeah, people who show signs of being overly aggressive generally respond really well when someone tells them they need to get some help.

Jesus at my wifes school doesn't need help.  He is here to help all of you
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 02, 2013, 09:48:51 PM
Yeah, people who show signs of being overly aggressive generally respond really well when someone tells them they need to get some help.
Good point, let's take their guns away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 03, 2013, 03:13:41 AM
Yeah, people who show signs of being overly aggressive generally respond really well when someone tells them they need to get some help.
Good point, let's take their guns away.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 03, 2013, 03:20:03 AM
Yeah, people who show signs of being overly aggressive generally respond really well when someone tells them they need to get some help.
Good point, let's take their guns away.

See how simple that was.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 10:18:50 AM
Do you guys even know people?

How is it you can you see the trouble caused by telling someone to go to therapy, but not see the trouble caused by giving the impression that you're trying to take away their guns? 

One scenario causes the person to tell you to eff off. The other scenario causes the person to justify using their gun to tell the world to eff off.

Surely you can see my confusion when wondering exactly what you're trying to accomplish?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 10:31:46 AM
Not to mention, nearly all of these people that caused one of these horrific acts in the last 10 years attempted to get help.  These people self diagnosed and sought out help on their own. They did not receive it because either they could not afford it or the treatment suggested was: "here take this pill and call me in the morning."

I'm pitching the idea of making something more widely available, you're assuming that I'm suggesting we go door-to-door to people that are deemed crazy or combative and haul them off to a therapist / give them free pills; two very different things.  What you're insinuating would have a guaranteed fail rate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 03, 2013, 12:27:24 PM
One scenario causes the person to tell you to eff off. The other scenario causes the person to justify using their gun to tell the world to eff off.

So in the scenario where they have a gun, they just tell people to eff off. But in the scenario where they don't have a gun, they use their gun to tell the world to eff off?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 03, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
should i get a gun?  i know for a fact i'm not crazy and i'd be sure to be very careful with it and lock it up and keep it very secure. 

i think maybe i should get one someday, just to have.  wouldn't ever get a conceal and carry or anything, but going to a shooting range would be pretty fun i guess.  before every shot, i think i'd mutter to myself something to the effect of "you picked the wrong guy to mess with, dirtbag." 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 03, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
should i get a gun?  i know for a fact i'm not crazy and i'd be sure to be very careful with it and lock it up and keep it very secure. 

i think maybe i should get one someday, just to have.  wouldn't ever get a conceal and carry or anything, but going to a shooting range would be pretty fun i guess.  before every shot, i think i'd mutter to myself something to the effect of "you picked the wrong guy to mess with, dirtbag."

Sounds like you are more than ready   
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 03, 2013, 12:55:10 PM
should i get a gun?  i know for a fact i'm not crazy and i'd be sure to be very careful with it and lock it up and keep it very secure. 

i think maybe i should get one someday, just to have.  wouldn't ever get a conceal and carry or anything, but going to a shooting range would be pretty fun i guess.  before every shot, i think i'd mutter to myself something to the effect of "you picked the wrong guy to mess with, dirtbag."

"I'll show you.   I'll show you all! " then laugh a bunch while shooting.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 12:56:11 PM
One scenario causes the person to tell you to eff off. The other scenario causes the person to justify using their gun to tell the world to eff off.

So in the scenario where they have a gun, they just tell people to eff off. But in the scenario where they don't have a gun, they use their gun to tell the world to eff off?
Well now it appears you're just trying to be a dumbass.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 03, 2013, 12:58:55 PM
One scenario causes the person to tell you to eff off. The other scenario causes the person to justify using their gun to tell the world to eff off.

So in the scenario where they have a gun, they just tell people to eff off. But in the scenario where they don't have a gun, they use their gun to tell the world to eff off?
Well now it appears you're just trying to be a dumbass.

No, I think it's hilarious that you're saying these people would go crazy and go on shooting sprees if someone tried to take away their guns, yet you're okay with someone that unstable having guns.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 03, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
should i get a gun?  i know for a fact i'm not crazy and i'd be sure to be very careful with it and lock it up and keep it very secure. 

i think maybe i should get one someday, just to have.  wouldn't ever get a conceal and carry or anything, but going to a shooting range would be pretty fun i guess.  before every shot, i think i'd mutter to myself something to the effect of "you picked the wrong guy to mess with, dirtbag."

"I'll show you.   I'll show you all! " then laugh a bunch while shooting.
ha ha yeah.  guns are probably pretty cheap (100ish bucks?)...would be worth it just for the laughs i think. 

and if some guy tries to break in my house some day and i get to splatter his brains all over my tastefully decorated living room, then hey, bonus.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
One scenario causes the person to tell you to eff off. The other scenario causes the person to justify using their gun to tell the world to eff off.

So in the scenario where they have a gun, they just tell people to eff off. But in the scenario where they don't have a gun, they use their gun to tell the world to eff off?
Well now it appears you're just trying to be a dumbass.

No, I think it's hilarious that you're saying these people would go crazy and go on shooting sprees if someone tried to take away their guns, yet you're okay with someone that unstable having guns.

You're arguing on the premise that's its possible to take away all their guns.  It's much easier to help someone that's susceptible to rage if they trust you.   
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 04:03:13 PM
Thinking its possible to take away guns is what's hilarious btw.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 03, 2013, 04:05:13 PM
Thinking its possible to take away guns is what's hilarious btw.

Arguing that we shouldn't take away guns because gun owners will start going on shooting sprees at the thought of someone taking their guns is way more hilarious.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 03, 2013, 04:09:35 PM
alright i've decided i'm going to get a gun someday. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 03, 2013, 04:22:12 PM
I can't think of a single reason why anyone could ever need a gun

Gun people are the dumbest

 :lol:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 04:34:39 PM
Thinking its possible to take away guns is what's hilarious btw.

Arguing that we shouldn't take away guns because gun owners will start going on shooting sprees at the thought of someone taking their guns is way more hilarious.

Look at you, You silly authoritarian you.   Trying to control people because you know whats good for them.  I bet your kid stops talking to you as soon as s/he turns 18. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 03, 2013, 05:06:17 PM
American Sniper' author Chris Kyle fatally shot at Texas gun range
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/03/16823532-american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-fatally-shot-at-texas-gun-range?lite

If there had just been more good guys with guns there this could have been stopped.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 06:20:43 PM
Hey look at that, another person suffering from PTSD kills a couple people.  Probably a rad kid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 03, 2013, 06:54:38 PM
^
???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 03, 2013, 07:51:30 PM
Hey, let's take a guy with PTSD to a gun range.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 09:55:52 PM
^
???

Listen to the 30 minute video I posted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 03, 2013, 09:58:05 PM
No thanks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 03, 2013, 10:10:07 PM
If there is one thing that I have learned from all of this, it's that whenever a republican gets back into office, it's time to cash in all of my investments and use the money to buy assault weapons. Talk about an easy retirement . . .
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 03, 2013, 10:34:14 PM
No thanks.

Figures... A liberal with no interest in having perspective. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 04, 2013, 03:27:34 AM
Thinking its possible to take away guns is what's hilarious btw.

Arguing that we shouldn't take away guns because gun owners will start going on shooting sprees at the thought of someone taking their guns is way more hilarious.

Look at you, You silly authoritarian you.   Trying to control people because you know whats good for them.  I bet your kid stops talking to you as soon as s/he turns 18. 

Is this seriously your response? It's more of a tap out, really. You post something idiotic, I point it out, you say my kids will hate me one day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2013, 07:36:34 AM
No thanks.

Figures... A liberal with no interest in having perspective.

I'm not going to watch any 30 min video posted in the dome, it has nothing to do with not wanting to hear the other side.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2013, 08:16:20 AM
I think they have serious issues with conflict management which borders on insanity.  I personally couldn't ever justify murder - I believe if you can think of a scenario where murder that isn't in self defense is okay, then yes - you have psychotic tendencies and you would benefit from therapy.

Do you support the death penalty?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 09:04:28 AM
No

Edit to clarify: 

I believe in natural consequences and only in the event when their actions would be a danger to society do I believe consequences should be manipulated through law/prison time. 

 I personally do not believe in the death penalty under any circumstance, but I'm fine with allowing all inmates of particular offense being in a like general prison population. What happens there is their problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Guns:  still less dangerous than cell phones (fact).
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 09:08:56 AM
Thinking its possible to take away guns is what's hilarious btw.

Arguing that we shouldn't take away guns because gun owners will start going on shooting sprees at the thought of someone taking their guns is way more hilarious.

Look at you, You silly authoritarian you.   Trying to control people because you know whats good for them.  I bet your kid stops talking to you as soon as s/he turns 18. 

Is this seriously your response? It's more of a tap out, really. You post something idiotic, I point it out, you say my kids will hate me one day.

Yeah...  That's pretty much it.  Seems your entire argument is based around the idea that you can control people, but also, they should be controlled.  If this is seriously how you live your life, you're going to either change that opinion or be extremely frustrated the rest of your life.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 09:11:11 AM
No thanks.

Figures... A liberal with no interest in having perspective.

I'm not going to watch any 30 min video posted in the dome, it has nothing to do with not wanting to hear the other side.

Your loss - it's a great commentary from a psychiatrist that specializes in dealing with RAD kids (reactive detachment disorder) and profiles almost perfectly every school shooting that's taken place in our lifetime.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 04, 2013, 04:36:05 PM
No thanks.

Figures... A liberal with no interest in having perspective.

I'm not going to watch any 30 min video posted in the dome, it has nothing to do with not wanting to hear the other side.

Your loss - it's a great commentary from a psychiatrist that specializes in dealing with RAD kids (reactive detachment disorder) and profiles almost perfectly every school shooting that's taken place in our lifetime.

So what if these RAD kids and dudes were unable to get a gun?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 04:55:36 PM
Who knows?  Buy a gun in the black market, steal one from a negligent cop,  print a gun, use a knife or a sword, buy a bomb, build a bomb, go on a pitch fork killing spree,  get a job at Wendy's and poison every person that goes through the drive through with lethal doses of Strychnine.

Possibilities are endless.

What would happen though if they were treated with effective therapy and they felt like productive members of society worthy of being loved?  Would it matter if they had guns? Would it be just as successful as the improbable complete disarming of the population?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 04, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
would you give up your right to own 30 rnd magazines to save the life of just one child you have not and will never meet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 04, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
would you give up your right to own 30 rnd magazines to save the life of just one child you have not and will never meet

As with everything the libs have put forth, none of it will have any affect on how many kids will be killed by criminally insane people. Treating the insane before they become criminals is the only real answer, but our freedoms in this country won't allow it unless the insane person agrees to be treated. You can infringe on millions of peoples rights with no affect, or the few insane with a direct affect.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2013, 05:29:46 PM
Finding and diagnosing will violate rights as well.

For instance, when would the CT kid have been deemed insane?  He was kicked out of HS for not being able to function in there.  That would have been a good time, but no matter when, they have to get the family and kid to consent to sitting down with the person that will do the diagnosing.  This isn't something that will be taken lightly.

My wife tells me all kinds of stories about how ppl refuse to even medicate their kid for ADD let alone have them deemed unstable/dangerous to society.  ppl will avoid these like the plague. 

So, back to square one.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 05:35:05 PM
First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 04, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 04, 2013, 06:20:51 PM
I haven't checked the veracity of this story, but I found it interesting.

Quote
Since the infamous massacre at Columbine in 1999, mass shootings are on the rise. In nearly every case, the killers are young, white males with a history of mental instability. The other commonality that no one is talking about is that all of these killers had been prescribed various anti-anxiety, anti-psychotic, anti-depressant and sleep aid drugs. Because of HIIPA laws, exactly what treatment and diagnoses these people received cannot be officially released.  Still, some facts have been leaked.

Adam Lanza, 20, according to one of his uncle’s, suffered from Aspergers syndrome and had been prescribed Fanapt.

James Holmes, the Colorado theater shooter who was 24 years old was under psychiatric care and according to investigators who cleared his apartment of explosives, four prescription medication bottles in the killer’s name were found. A judge ruled that these items are not subject, in this case, to doctor-patient confidentiality. Inexplicably, the names of the medications have been redacted from court documents.

Jared Loughner was 22 years old at the time of the shooting, and his mental illness has been widely reported. He was been sentenced to a term of 140 years without the possibility of parole, a sentence that was handed down after a Federal judge ordered he be medicated for schizophrenia, so he would be competent enough to understand the charges and assist in his own defense. What drugs he had previously been prescribed and which he was currently on or had recently stopped taking has not been released.

Robert Stewart was 45 years old when he killed 8 people in a shooting rampage in Carthage, NC. A toxicologist testified Stewart had a cocktail of prescription drugs in his system, including Lexapro, Ambien, Benadryl and possibly Xanax.

Steven Kazmierczak was 27  when he killed 6 people and wounded 21 at Northern Illinois University. He had a history of psychiatric problems, was known as “Strange Steve” by his roommates and had been hospitalized several times for mental illness. He had been taking Xanax, Ambien and Prozac. According to his girlfriend, he had abruptly stopped taking Prozac three weeks before the rampage.

Seung-Hui Cho, 23,  killed 32 people and wounded 17 at Virginia Polytechnic and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia. In the aftermath, details of Cho’s history of mental illness, stretching all the way back to middle school were released. He had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder, Selective Mutism as well as major depressive disorder. He was known to be on Prozac, though a full listing of the drugs he was on at the time of the rampage that ended in his suicide has never been released.

Jeff Weise, 15 years old at the time, killed 9 people and wounded 5 more before killing himself on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation. He was taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, was just 12 years old when he killed his grandparents. His defense attorneys claimed he was a victim of “involuntary intoxication”. He was taking Paxil and Zoloft.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 06:25:56 PM
First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGn4o1Lb6L0&sns=em
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 04, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGn4o1Lb6L0&sns=em

Yeah, the medical examiner had no idea what he was talking about. Kids probably weren't even dead. Who went back and determined how the kids died? Did other medical examiners decide to take another look? Did he change his mind and redo the whole thing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 04, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.



Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGn4o1Lb6L0&sns=em

False. But nice to know you're on the same mailing list as Morton's Toe

Quote
An email states that Adam Lanza, the shooter in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, didn't actually use an assault weapon. The email says that weapon was still in his car. Is that true?

This email has been appearing in many area inboxes lately. It gained traction when police reported that a gun was found locked in the trunk of Lanza's car and, all of a sudden, that gun became the assault weapon that had been attributed to the bulk of the killings. Police reported, however, that Lanza took three weapons inside the school — a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns, a Sig Sauer 9mm and a Glock 10mm.

There was a gun found in Lanza’s car, but it was a shotgun. The primary weapon used in the Dec. 14 attack, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, “was a Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon.”

There was so much misinformation about the guns that Connecticut police issued an update on Jan. 23 confirming their original report, according to Snopes.com, a nonpartisan fact-finding website.

“Police provided details in [previous] news conferences, but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation,” the update stated. “Police said they found a Bushmaster .223-caliber model XM15-E with high capacity 30-round clips, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school. Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in the parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.”

A video clip of an early NBC News report from Dec. 15, which misstated the types of weapons Lanza had with him, was circulated a month later as proof that he did not use an assault weapon, Snopes.com reports. In that clip, the anchor states that four handguns, and only handguns, were found at the school and that the AR-15 assault-type weapon was recovered later in Lanza’s car. But in the rush to provide information, the clip was among several other reports with incorrect information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 04, 2013, 06:55:35 PM
The only way to really tell what guns were used is if they ever release the numbers and calibers of spent shell casings found in the school. I haven't seen that anywhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 04, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.



Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGn4o1Lb6L0&sns=em

False. But nice to know you're on the same mailing list as Morton's Toe

Quote
An email states that Adam Lanza, the shooter in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, didn't actually use an assault weapon. The email says that weapon was still in his car. Is that true?

This email has been appearing in many area inboxes lately. It gained traction when police reported that a gun was found locked in the trunk of Lanza's car and, all of a sudden, that gun became the assault weapon that had been attributed to the bulk of the killings. Police reported, however, that Lanza took three weapons inside the school — a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns, a Sig Sauer 9mm and a Glock 10mm.

There was a gun found in Lanza’s car, but it was a shotgun. The primary weapon used in the Dec. 14 attack, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, “was a Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon.”

There was so much misinformation about the guns that Connecticut police issued an update on Jan. 23 confirming their original report, according to Snopes.com, a nonpartisan fact-finding website.

“Police provided details in [previous] news conferences, but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation,” the update stated. “Police said they found a Bushmaster .223-caliber model XM15-E with high capacity 30-round clips, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school. Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in the parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.”

A video clip of an early NBC News report from Dec. 15, which misstated the types of weapons Lanza had with him, was circulated a month later as proof that he did not use an assault weapon, Snopes.com reports. In that clip, the anchor states that four handguns, and only handguns, were found at the school and that the AR-15 assault-type weapon was recovered later in Lanza’s car. But in the rush to provide information, the clip was among several other reports with incorrect information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp)

Fine whatever, it's irrelevant.  People are pitching ideas to limit a body count, I'm pitching ideas that could prevent stuff like this from happening. 

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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 07:19:13 PM
I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Or they could release the security video and put all of this to rest.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 07:21:02 PM
And what's this "conservatives" label you're throwing around all willy nilly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 04, 2013, 07:33:13 PM
It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Nice try, Glen Beck.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2013, 07:43:07 PM
I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Has he published a report?  (Not being argumentative, just haven't seen it and would like to if it's available.)
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 07:51:22 PM
Nice try, Glen Beck.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25202.msg734618#msg734618

:jerk:
Title: Good to Sea you
Post by: Domino on February 04, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
Question for all gun enthusiasts here -

Do you think the National Firearms Act should be eliminated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 04, 2013, 10:54:27 PM
Considering I'm more of a liberty enthusiast than a gun enthusiast, I'm not sure you're talking to me.  However,  it seems irrelevant to this discussion.  So what is the point of your question?
Title: Re: Good to Sea you
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2013, 10:08:50 AM
Question for all gun enthusiasts here -

Do you think the National Firearms Act should be eliminated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Yes.  But it's not something I'd push for or expect to realistically happen.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 05, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
It kind of already has been replaced to my understanding.  The only relevance it has is to identify certain weapons & attachments such as silencers, etc.  and  assess taxes based of the identifications.  Seems pretty irrelevant considering it was just one more conviction to attach to mobsters that were being arrested - as if all the other crap they were doing wasn't already illegal.  Basically just a tax for "law abiding citizens". Most of you know how I feel about taxes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2013, 10:47:15 AM
I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Or they could release the security video and put all of this to rest.

You honestly want them to release a security video showing little kids getting murdered? :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 05, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html)

A Super Bowl party fueled by tequila and marijuana ended with an apparently accidental gunshot to the back of one reveler’s head.
The Platte County prosecutor’s office filed charges Monday against 34-year-old Joshua W. Bailey, who was the host of the party at his apartment in the 4800 block of Northwest Homestead Road in Riverside.
Joshua Anderson, 22, of Riverside, was killed.
According to court documents, Bailey called 911 at 8:28 p.m. Sunday to report that he had accidentally shot his friend. Bailey said he did not know there was a bullet in the chamber.
“I’m going to jail,” Bailey told the dispatcher.
When police arrived, they found Bailey in the yard and Anderson inside on the floor, in a pool of blood, gasping for air and making “gargling” sounds. He was taken to a hospital, where he died about two hours later.
Bailey allegedly told police he had had four or five shots of tequila and smoked marijuana before taking a Jimenez 9 mm semi-automatic handgun out of a shoe box to show to his guests. Bailey allegedly said he emptied the gun and then put a magazine of ammunition in it and hit the slide release to make the slide go forward.
“This action chambered a round,” according to a police statement filed in court. “Bailey did not think there was a round in the chamber.”
According to police, Bailey then got up from the couch and pulled the trigger. The bullet struck Anderson in the back of the head. Bailey told police he had not aimed at his friend but the gun must have been pointed in that direction.
Police think the shooting was accidental. However, Bailey is a convicted felon who is not allowed to possess a firearm. He was charged with that in addition to unlawfully discharging a firearm while intoxicated, involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action.
If convicted, he could face up to 21 years in prison. A cash bond was set at $500,000. Bailey was in the Platte County Jail on Monday.
In a written statement, county Prosecutor Eric Zahnd said the incident had nothing to do with gun rights or gun control.
“But virtually everyone agrees that only law-abiding citizens should safely and responsibly possess firearms,” Zahnd said.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 05, 2013, 12:08:02 PM
I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Or they could release the security video and put all of this to rest.

You honestly want them to release a security video showing little kids getting murdered? :sdeek:

They released it of columbine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 05, 2013, 12:11:14 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html)

A Super Bowl party fueled by tequila and marijuana ended with an apparently accidental gunshot to the back of one reveler’s head.
The Platte County prosecutor’s office filed charges Monday against 34-year-old Joshua W. Bailey, who was the host of the party at his apartment in the 4800 block of Northwest Homestead Road in Riverside.
Joshua Anderson, 22, of Riverside, was killed.
According to court documents, Bailey called 911 at 8:28 p.m. Sunday to report that he had accidentally shot his friend. Bailey said he did not know there was a bullet in the chamber.
“I’m going to jail,” Bailey told the dispatcher.
When police arrived, they found Bailey in the yard and Anderson inside on the floor, in a pool of blood, gasping for air and making “gargling” sounds. He was taken to a hospital, where he died about two hours later.
Bailey allegedly told police he had had four or five shots of tequila and smoked marijuana before taking a Jimenez 9 mm semi-automatic handgun out of a shoe box to show to his guests. Bailey allegedly said he emptied the gun and then put a magazine of ammunition in it and hit the slide release to make the slide go forward.
“This action chambered a round,” according to a police statement filed in court. “Bailey did not think there was a round in the chamber.”
According to police, Bailey then got up from the couch and pulled the trigger. The bullet struck Anderson in the back of the head. Bailey told police he had not aimed at his friend but the gun must have been pointed in that direction.
Police think the shooting was accidental. However, Bailey is a convicted felon who is not allowed to possess a firearm. He was charged with that in addition to unlawfully discharging a firearm while intoxicated, involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action.
If convicted, he could face up to 21 years in prison. A cash bond was set at $500,000. Bailey was in the Platte County Jail on Monday.
In a written statement, county Prosecutor Eric Zahnd said the incident had nothing to do with gun rights or gun control.
“But virtually everyone agrees that only law-abiding citizens should safely and responsibly possess firearms,” Zahnd said.

Sounds like a dumb ass. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 05, 2013, 12:42:40 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html)

A Super Bowl party fueled by tequila and marijuana ended with an apparently accidental gunshot to the back of one reveler’s head.
The Platte County prosecutor’s office filed charges Monday against 34-year-old Joshua W. Bailey, who was the host of the party at his apartment in the 4800 block of Northwest Homestead Road in Riverside.
Joshua Anderson, 22, of Riverside, was killed.
According to court documents, Bailey called 911 at 8:28 p.m. Sunday to report that he had accidentally shot his friend. Bailey said he did not know there was a bullet in the chamber.
“I’m going to jail,” Bailey told the dispatcher.
When police arrived, they found Bailey in the yard and Anderson inside on the floor, in a pool of blood, gasping for air and making “gargling” sounds. He was taken to a hospital, where he died about two hours later.
Bailey allegedly told police he had had four or five shots of tequila and smoked marijuana before taking a Jimenez 9 mm semi-automatic handgun out of a shoe box to show to his guests. Bailey allegedly said he emptied the gun and then put a magazine of ammunition in it and hit the slide release to make the slide go forward.
“This action chambered a round,” according to a police statement filed in court. “Bailey did not think there was a round in the chamber.”
According to police, Bailey then got up from the couch and pulled the trigger. The bullet struck Anderson in the back of the head. Bailey told police he had not aimed at his friend but the gun must have been pointed in that direction.
Police think the shooting was accidental. However, Bailey is a convicted felon who is not allowed to possess a firearm. He was charged with that in addition to unlawfully discharging a firearm while intoxicated, involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action.
If convicted, he could face up to 21 years in prison. A cash bond was set at $500,000. Bailey was in the Platte County Jail on Monday.
In a written statement, county Prosecutor Eric Zahnd said the incident had nothing to do with gun rights or gun control.
“But virtually everyone agrees that only law-abiding citizens should safely and responsibly possess firearms,” Zahnd said.

Sounds like a dumb ass.

I want to know where he got the gun. If someone gave or sold it to him knowing he was a felon, they need to be prosecuted right along with him.
Title: Really shouldn't have deleted this line
Post by: Domino on February 05, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
Question for all gun enthusiasts here -

Do you think the National Firearms Act should be eliminated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Yes.  But it's not something I'd push for or expect to realistically happen.

So is there any limit in terms of "arms" that citizens shouldn't be allowed to own in your opinion?

If someone has the money to buy a M-29 Davy Crockett and the ammunition for it, should they be allowed to buy it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 05, 2013, 01:04:53 PM
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Title: Re: Really shouldn't have deleted this line
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2013, 01:10:53 PM
Question for all gun enthusiasts here -

Do you think the National Firearms Act should be eliminated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Yes.  But it's not something I'd push for or expect to realistically happen.

So is there any limit in terms of "arms" that citizens shouldn't be allowed to own in your opinion?

If someone has the money to buy a M-29 Davy Crockett and the ammunition for it, should they be allowed to buy it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29

The line is short of that device, IMO, because even in proper use one couldn't control the radiation and fallout that could occur.  It could potentially infringe on others' rights.  But like if that rocket was just a normal high explosive type rocket where the blast radius is small and the after affects are negligible I think that'd be fine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 05, 2013, 01:52:30 PM
The second amendment does not draw lines. I'm saving up to buy an F-16.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 05, 2013, 01:53:16 PM
Bush's fault
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
The second amendment does not draw lines. I'm saving up to buy an F-16.

I'd theoretically be cool with that.  But, obviously the government controls who can and can't buy these things from General Dynamics via contracts.  So like it could be perfectly legal (maybe it is?), but the government still says no and GD listens to their largest customer.  That's a form on control I can live with.  If the market really demands a civilian fighter plane then someone will make one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 05, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
The second amendment does not draw lines. I'm saving up to buy an F-16.

It's perfectly fine to buy and fly retired military jets. Not cheap to maintain and fly though, but then  :kstategrad:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2013, 11:21:36 PM
The second amendment does not draw lines. I'm saving up to buy an F-16.

It's perfectly fine to buy and fly retired military jets. Not cheap to maintain and fly though, but then  :kstategrad:

do these jets include tomahawk missiles in the sale?

JW, don't know the answer.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 06, 2013, 06:13:37 AM
Finding and diagnosing will violate rights as well.

For instance, when would the CT kid have been deemed insane?  He was kicked out of HS for not being able to function in there.  That would have been a good time, but no matter when, they have to get the family and kid to consent to sitting down with the person that will do the diagnosing.  This isn't something that will be taken lightly.

My wife tells me all kinds of stories about how ppl refuse to even medicate their kid for ADD let alone have them deemed unstable/dangerous to society.  ppl will avoid these like the plague. 

So, back to square one.

I missed this from earlier, but I believe medicating for things like ADD is part of the problem.  I know more people that have taken their kids out of school and homeschooled because of an "ADD" label, only to go on and raise healthy successful kids.  Some people just aren't meant to sit at a desk for more than thirty minutes at a time and school just isn't right for them.  Some people just have a horrible diet and don't get enough exercise.  Prescribing mind altering medication to a kid might allow them to believe there is something broken inside them that prevents them from "being normal". If they begin to believe this, it opens the door for so many unhealthy things down the road including some serious mental health issues. 

As for violating rights to identify these people.  I don't see this as possible unless you're suggesting going from door to door and mandating screenings.   You're also suggesting that a person must be labeled insane before they can get help.  Anyone can benefit from seeing a therapist. 

Many of the people that turn out to be violent offenders have previous episodes and run ins with the law.  Therapy can be a consequence just like anything else.  It would be a lot more successful if it was offered, not as a consequence though, but as an alternative to fines or jail time - as beginning therapy would be the offenders choice, not the judges. 

2nd of all, a lot of people seek help, but just can't find the type of help they need.  Nearly all of these guys were on some type of medication meaning they previously saw some sort of doctor.  They obviously didn't get the help they needed if we're still talking about them.

I do want to clarify that I'm not advocating for a state run facility but maybe a coop between state & private.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 06, 2013, 06:26:44 AM
I don't understand why the freedom to not get shot isn't important.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 06, 2013, 08:40:05 AM
I don't understand why the freedom to not get shot isn't important.
I think people that stand for the second amendment believe in the right to life more than anyone fighting to restrict guns.  If you remove ability for one to defend themselves and establish a dependence on an entity for protection, you are removing an individuals right to life.  Why is it okay for a government entity to threaten your safety by removing options for defending yourself, while everyone knows its not okay for a crazy gunman to do the same?

How is your ability to protect your life not synonymous with "the freedom to not get shot"?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 06, 2013, 08:51:44 AM
I don't understand why the freedom to not get shot isn't important.

It's already illegal to shoot someone for the most part.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 06, 2013, 09:07:01 AM
I don't understand why the freedom to not get shot isn't important.

It's already illegal to shoot someone for the most part.  :dunno:

Unless you call them a terrorist, then it is ok
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 06, 2013, 09:08:40 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 11, 2013, 04:29:27 PM
http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 11, 2013, 05:00:33 PM
http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html

The author of that blog entry is as dumb as the woman carrying the gun in her pocket.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 11, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Seems like a lot of dumb people carry guns, no?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on February 11, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
Seems like a lot of dumb people carry guns, no?

In pockets, yes.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2013, 05:18:34 PM
http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html

The author of that blog entry is as dumb as the woman carrying the gun in her pocket.

True, but I still hope that lady loses her gun ownership license.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 11, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html

The author of that blog entry is as dumb as the woman carrying the gun in her pocket.

True, but I still hope that lady loses her gun ownership license.

I agree. There should be a felony in there somewhere and I doubt she had a conceal carry permit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2013, 05:29:58 PM
http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html

The author of that blog entry is as dumb as the woman carrying the gun in her pocket.

True, but I still hope that lady loses her gun ownership license.

I agree. There should be a felony in there somewhere and I doubt she had a conceal carry permit.

oh wait I forgot you don't need a license to own a gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 11, 2013, 05:55:59 PM
http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html

The author of that blog entry is as dumb as the woman carrying the gun in her pocket.

True, but I still hope that lady loses her gun ownership license.

I agree. There should be a felony in there somewhere and I doubt she had a conceal carry permit.

oh wait I forgot you don't need a license to own a gun

Not yet. I just hope she's convicted of a felony.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 12, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Do you use your license if you hurt someone in a car accident?  Sometimes I guess?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 12, 2013, 01:14:34 PM
Do you like it when someone asks a question and then answers it themselves? I do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
Do you use your license if you hurt someone in a car accident?  Sometimes I guess?   :dunno:

Sometimes you don't even need to hurt someone, just drive dangerously.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 12, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
Do you use your license if you hurt someone in a car accident?  Sometimes I guess?   :dunno:

Sometimes you don't even need to hurt someone, just drive dangerously.

Ok carry on then!  :driving:   <---but safely plz!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 12, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: Jerry Kill
Sometimes those bastards look at your private medical history and take away your damned license even if you are a good driver!

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/861/943/hi-res-158790397_display_image.jpg?1356765860)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 13, 2013, 09:44:11 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/miami-dad-dies-protecting-daughter-11-during-home-invasion/?test=latestnews
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 13, 2013, 12:11:47 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/miami-dad-dies-protecting-daughter-11-during-home-invasion/?test=latestnews

We get it... Bad crap happens when guns are around!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 13, 2013, 12:43:08 PM
Don't be a dumbass.  At least don't intentionally be a dumbass.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 13, 2013, 01:05:45 PM
i'm sure i am Luking the crap outta this but whatevs

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/07/bill_stevens_sandy_hook_father_viral_gun_rights_defense_isn_t_actually_the.html?wpisrc=obinsite
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/miami-dad-dies-protecting-daughter-11-during-home-invasion/?test=latestnews

GREAT $5 MILLION DOWN THE TUBES TO PAY FOR ANOTHER GUN HOMICIDE. AS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE MY TAIL FEATHERS ARE ALL RUFFLED UP.

Quote
The societal cost of just one gun homicide averages $5 million, according to the institute. That includes $1.6 million in lost work; $29,000 in medical care; $11,000 on surviving families’ mental-health treatment; $397,000 in criminal-justice, incarceration and police expenses; $9,000 in employer losses; and $3 million in pain, suffering and lost quality of life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 13, 2013, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/miami-dad-dies-protecting-daughter-11-during-home-invasion/?test=latestnews

GREAT $5 MILLION DOWN THE TUBES TO PAY FOR ANOTHER GUN HOMICIDE. AS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE MY TAIL FEATHERS ARE ALL RUFFLED UP.

Quote
The societal cost of just one gun homicide averages $5 million, according to the institute. That includes $1.6 million in lost work; $29,000 in medical care; $11,000 on surviving families’ mental-health treatment; $397,000 in criminal-justice, incarceration and police expenses; $9,000 in employer losses; and $3 million in pain, suffering and lost quality of life.

are non gun homicides priced differently? like maybe deduct the economic impact of purchasing a gun and a bullet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2013, 03:20:33 PM
I'm not sure how you figure in the cost of the lost work and then also figure in the cost of the additional work for the doctors and psychiatrists.

Also LOL at including $3 million for pain, suffering and lost quality of life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 03:23:23 PM
Seriously guys, $600 per gun?

Quote
Dividing the $174 billion total by the number of guns in the U.S. -- 270 million as reported by the United Nations’ International Small Arms Survey -- the institute calculated the cost to society of each civilian-owned firearm in the U.S. at more than $644.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 13, 2013, 03:26:20 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/miami-dad-dies-protecting-daughter-11-during-home-invasion/?test=latestnews

GREAT $5 MILLION DOWN THE TUBES TO PAY FOR ANOTHER GUN HOMICIDE. AS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE MY TAIL FEATHERS ARE ALL RUFFLED UP.

Quote
The societal cost of just one gun homicide averages $5 million, according to the institute. That includes $1.6 million in lost work; $29,000 in medical care; $11,000 on surviving families’ mental-health treatment; $397,000 in criminal-justice, incarceration and police expenses; $9,000 in employer losses; and $3 million in pain, suffering and lost quality of life.

are non gun homicides priced differently? like maybe deduct the economic impact of purchasing a gun and a bullet?

Honestly a conservation minded murderer would always be sure to use a gun (Pittman-Robertson funds). 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
$175 Billion with an "illion" ! for you savages to own guns

Quote
The impact of gun deaths and injuries go well beyond heartbreak to include billions of dollars of losses to the economy. The cost of U.S. gun violence in work lost, medical care, insurance, criminal-justice expenses and pain and suffering amounted to as much as $174 billion in 2010, according to data compiled by the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in Calverton, Maryland.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
I'm not sure how you figure in the cost of the lost work and then also figure in the cost of the additional work for the doctors and psychiatrists.

Also LOL at including $3 million for pain, suffering and lost quality of life.

Are you a research fellow, nutskicked?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 13, 2013, 03:48:50 PM
What's the incremental cost compared to non-firearm homicides?  That's a perfectly reasonable question.

ETA:  The Harvard study by Kates/Mauser already proved gun control is counter productive.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2013, 04:11:00 PM
I'm not sure how you figure in the cost of the lost work and then also figure in the cost of the additional work for the doctors and psychiatrists.

Also LOL at including $3 million for pain, suffering and lost quality of life.

Are you a research fellow, nutskicked?

No, but I used to be a research assistant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 04:17:55 PM
What's the incremental cost compared to non-firearm homicides?  That's a perfectly reasonable question.

ETA:  The Harvard study by Kates/Mauser already proved gun control is counter productive.

Firearms are estimated to be responsible for 70-80% of all homicides. Maybe no one has looked into non-firearm homicide costs because eliminating fists isn't reasonable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 13, 2013, 04:23:02 PM
What's the incremental cost compared to non-firearm homicides?  That's a perfectly reasonable question.

ETA:  The Harvard study by Kates/Mauser already proved gun control is counter productive.

Firearms are estimated to be responsible for 70-80% of all homicides. Maybe no one has looked into non-firearm homicide costs because eliminating fists isn't reasonable.

Sounds like a dead end Paul Moscow.  T's & P's.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2013, 04:33:06 PM
$3 million for pain and suffering just seems pretty high. I really would like to see how that number was obtained before I even begin to believe it. I mean Paul Moscow didn't even give a link to the study.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 04:37:38 PM
$3 million for pain and suffering just seems pretty high. I really would like to see how that number was obtained before I even begin to believe it. I mean Paul Moscow didn't even give a link to the study.

Story: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-21/shootings-costing-u-s-174-billion-show-burden-of-gun-violence.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2013, 04:40:08 PM
my pain and suffering is rough ridin' expensive as crap. Luckily I have next to none. :cool:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
$3 million for pain and suffering just seems pretty high. I really would like to see how that number was obtained before I even begin to believe it. I mean Paul Moscow didn't even give a link to the study.

Cause $2 million per gun homicide is such a bargain?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2013, 04:44:52 PM
$3 million for pain and suffering just seems pretty high. I really would like to see how that number was obtained before I even begin to believe it. I mean Paul Moscow didn't even give a link to the study.

Cause $2 million per gun homicide is such a bargain?

Exactly, why exaggerate the number?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 04:51:04 PM
What's the incremental cost compared to non-firearm homicides?  That's a perfectly reasonable question.

ETA:  The Harvard study by Kates/Mauser already proved gun control is counter productive.

Firearms are estimated to be responsible for 70-80% of all homicides. Maybe no one has looked into non-firearm homicide costs because eliminating fists isn't reasonable.

Sounds like a dead end Paul Moscow.  T's & P's.

Cool dude, I'll wait for your figures on the marginal social benefit of gun ownership in the US.  Fax em over when you get a min. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2013, 05:05:06 PM
What's the incremental cost compared to non-firearm homicides?  That's a perfectly reasonable question.

ETA:  The Harvard study by Kates/Mauser already proved gun control is counter productive.

Firearms are estimated to be responsible for 70-80% of all homicides. Maybe no one has looked into non-firearm homicide costs because eliminating fists isn't reasonable.

Sounds like a dead end Paul Moscow.  T's & P's.

Cool dude, I'll wait for your figures on the marginal social benefit of gun ownership in the US.  Fax em over when you get a min.

Simply looking at costs, especially when you bring in externalities like pain and suffering, is unfair without also weighing the benefits.

http://www.nssf.org/PDF/2012EconomicImpactReport.pdf (http://www.nssf.org/PDF/2012EconomicImpactReport.pdf)

This report shows an economic benefit of $31.8 billion. I know that's nowhere near the $174 billion that your article states, but 3/5 of that total was classified as pain and suffering, and the report I've linked does not include any dollar amount for the joy these weirdos get from owning guns.

I agree with you that guns have a net negative effect on our society.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 13, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 05:37:10 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on February 13, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

I think he's referencing the talking point that the UK allegedly has triple the amount of violent crime as the U.S. I've seen that figure thrown out on a few conservative websites. The thing is, it's misleading. The UK has a different (and wider) definition of "violent crime."

Could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 13, 2013, 05:57:27 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

No. But if there were no more guns, the overall violent crime rate is sure to go up. Aggravated robbery, rape, battery, attempted murder, etc. would increase knowing that the victim or home would be gun-free. It's sure to affect a larger portion of society than is currently affected by gun murders.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OregonSmock on February 13, 2013, 06:06:18 PM
Why do people oppose universal background checks?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 13, 2013, 06:09:51 PM
Why do people oppose universal background checks?

Who opposes them?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on February 13, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

No. But if there were no more guns, the overall violent crime rate is sure to go up. Aggravated robbery, rape, battery, attempted murder, etc. would increase knowing that the victim or home would be gun-free. It's sure to affect a larger portion of society than is currently affected by gun murders.

Do you have proof, and by proof, I mean links to research papers, that can validate this claim of yours?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: husserl on February 13, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
The Harvard study by Kates/Mauser already proved gun control is counter productive.

Neither is at Harvard.  Both work for right wing think tanks.  Their study wasn't peer-reviewed, and was published in a student-run libertarian/conservative law review.  I'm not going to read it through, but in their first table they show Luxembourg with a murder rate of 9.01 (lol) and make a big deal about it in the text. 

Here's a bunch of real Harvard research.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/ (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 13, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

No. But if there were no more guns, the overall violent crime rate is sure to go up. Aggravated robbery, rape, battery, attempted murder, etc. would increase knowing that the victim or home would be gun-free. It's sure to affect a larger portion of society than is currently affected by gun murders.

Because deterrence has decreased crime in any measurable way? Violent crime goes up and down due to the make-up of our social institutions not the presence of guns in households.

Spend 10 minutes looking into why violent crime has decreased in the United States over the past 15 years or so and you'll come up with a list including all or most of the following.

1) High incarceration rate (world's highest actually)
2) Tougher sentencing (3 strikes, etc)
3) End of the crack cocaine epidemic
4) Better technology to secure firearms and increased safety features
5) Demographics (population is aging fewer young people)
6) Improved education
7) Decrease in lead exposure and poisoning in urban areas
8) Steven Levitt even thinks abortions have contributed greatly. The thought that terminations of unwanted births that would have occurred in unhealthy environments has helped decrease violent crime.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 13, 2013, 06:47:46 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

No. But if there were no more guns, the overall violent crime rate is sure to go up. Aggravated robbery, rape, battery, attempted murder, etc. would increase knowing that the victim or home would be gun-free. It's sure to affect a larger portion of society than is currently affected by gun murders.

Because deterrence has decreased crime in any measurable way? Violent crime goes up and down due to the make-up of our social institutions not the presence of guns in households.

Spend 10 minutes looking into why violent crime has decreased in the United States over the past 15 years or so and you'll come up with a list including all or most of the following.

1) High incarceration rate (world's highest actually)
2) Tougher sentencing (3 strikes, etc)
3) End of the crack cocaine epidemic
4) Better technology to secure firearms and increased safety features
5) Demographics (population is aging fewer young people)
6) Improved education
7) Decrease in lead exposure and poisoning in urban areas
8) Steven Levitt even thinks abortions have contributed greatly. The thought that terminations of unwanted births that would have occurred in unhealthy environments has helped decrease violent crime.

looks like we're doing all the right things and no need to mess with success. taking guns out of the hands of good people may ef things up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 13, 2013, 06:50:18 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

Absofuckinglutely.  Even more.  Go read the study I mentioned.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on February 13, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
What are the costs of violent crime in general? Take away the guns and violent crime increases without the threat of being killed.

Wait, so you're suggesting that if guns were to go away tomorrow, that those 10,000 people who would have died via guns would still die via knife, fist, feet, tv set?

No. But if there were no more guns, the overall violent crime rate is sure to go up. Aggravated robbery, rape, battery, attempted murder, etc. would increase knowing that the victim or home would be gun-free. It's sure to affect a larger portion of society than is currently affected by gun murders.

Do you have proof, and by proof, I mean links to research papers, that can validate this claim of yours?

Chicago, DC, New York, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: husserl on February 14, 2013, 06:51:27 AM
Absofuckinglutely.  Even more.  Go read the study I mentioned.

2nd author (not joking):
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V4w18ZWaPas/Rm6mH5YEWUI/AAAAAAAAAp4/sdwXjCne51M/s400/Professor-Gary-Mauser.JPG)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 14, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
Absofuckinglutely.  Even more.  Go read the study I mentioned.

2nd author (not joking):
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V4w18ZWaPas/Rm6mH5YEWUI/AAAAAAAAAp4/sdwXjCne51M/s400/Professor-Gary-Mauser.JPG)

People who have been photographed holding a gun are not capable of quality research?  I mean for eff's sake Obama's been trap shooting, yet he's the one calling for these bills.  Doesn't mean anything dumbass.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: husserl on February 14, 2013, 09:36:16 AM
You post a lot and I haven't gotten the impression that you're stupid enough to have read that article and walked away thinking that it
already proved gun control is counter productive.
If I'm wrong, and you want to have a real discussion about it, point me to whatever it is about the article that you found so convincing and I'll try to help.  Shoot me a PM if it's too embarrassing to do it here.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 14, 2013, 09:48:16 AM
Thanks for the compliment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: husserl on February 14, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 14, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
Honestly I don't care about the studies, for or against.  I think the incremental difference between a guns or no guns society is too small to warrant this kind of attention and effort in the face of larger problems.  Even in the absense of larger problems I don't think the changes we could realistically make would be worth the sacrifice of rights by lawful gun owning/supporting citizens.  This is just a huge boondoggle and takes attention away from MUCH larger problems.  Also seems to act like a sharp wedge driving people apart that could otherwise agree on other things and make a positive impact.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 14, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
Honestly I don't care about the studies, for or against.  I think the incremental difference between a guns or no guns society is too small to warrant this kind of attention and effort in the face of larger problems.  Even in the absense of larger problems I don't think the changes we could realistically make would be worth the sacrifice of rights by lawful gun owning/supporting citizens.  This is just a huge boondoggle and takes attention away from MUCH larger problems.  Also seems to act like a sharp wedge driving people apart that could otherwise agree on other things and make a positive impact.

DOESN'T CARE ABOUT STUDIES!




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 14, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
Honestly I don't care about the studies, for or against.  I think the incremental difference between a guns or no guns society is too small to warrant this kind of attention and effort in the face of larger problems.  Even in the absense of larger problems I don't think the changes we could realistically make would be worth the sacrifice of rights by lawful gun owning/supporting citizens.  This is just a huge boondoggle and takes attention away from MUCH larger problems.  Also seems to act like a sharp wedge driving people apart that could otherwise agree on other things and make a positive impact.

DOESN'T CARE ABOUT STUDIES!

Studies predicting human behavior really are pretty worthless when you already have real world results to fall back on. But, many liberals do have a hard time looking at history as a learning tool.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 20, 2013, 09:56:40 AM
UN is coming for your guns, boys.  :horrorsurprise:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/03/6750-un-international-gun-ban/

BREAKING: Weapons Ban Shot Down, Obama Sends Kerry To U.N. To Pass International Gun Ban
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 20, 2013, 09:57:35 AM
 :lol:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 20, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
Hey man, gun restrictions would probably never work so I guess we shouldn't even bother trying.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 20, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
 :sdeek:

Quote
"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. eff all of you." He then gave them the finger.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/tj-lane-sentenced-to-life-chardon_n_2907540.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/tj-lane-sentenced-to-life-chardon_n_2907540.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2013, 10:38:17 AM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 20, 2013, 11:08:03 AM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:

Did it blow up or something?

Also, last time this thread was going hot and heavy, I heard a thing on NPR on how Chi has cut their murder rate by like 50%.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 20, 2013, 11:15:43 AM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:

The gun murder rate in Chicago (11.6 per 100,000) is less than the gun murder rate in Houston (12.9).  Houston is not known for having strict gun laws.

Last month Chicago had the fewest number of murders in a month (14) since 1957.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2013, 11:36:32 AM
:sdeek:

Quote
"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. eff all of you." He then gave them the finger.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/tj-lane-sentenced-to-life-chardon_n_2907540.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/tj-lane-sentenced-to-life-chardon_n_2907540.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)

That's a pretty boss move in a :sdeek: way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2013, 02:02:54 PM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:

The gun murder rate in Chicago (11.6 per 100,000) is less than the gun murder rate in Houston (12.9).  Houston is not known for having strict gun laws.

Last month Chicago had the fewest number of murders in a month (14) since 1957.

Interesting if accurate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OregonSmock on March 20, 2013, 02:04:40 PM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:


It's mostly just gang activity in the slums of the inner city.  Why does every mouth-breathing conservative bring up Chicago every time gun violence is being discussed?  For every time you mention Chicago, I can mention countries like England and Australia (who have very strict gun laws, and have like 30 gun deaths a year).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 20, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:


It's mostly just gang activity in the slums of the inner city.  Why does every mouth-breathing conservative bring up Chicago every time gun violence is being discussed?  For every time you mention Chicago, I can mention countries like England and Australia (who have very strict gun laws, and have like 30 gun deaths a year).

Because the majority of conservatives are crazy lunatics who don't care about anything besides stopping gay people from being married and making sex with their guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
FWIW nothing in the world makes me happier that two gay dudes putting on chaps (sans pants) and punching some holes in paper.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 25, 2013, 02:29:31 PM
You guys would be happy to know that since the assault rifles portion of the bill is no longer being pursued that you can start to find new AR's on the shelf at MSRP.  Those people that bought up lots of guns hoping to sell them at insane profits are going to lose their asses.  It's going to be hilarious.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 25, 2013, 02:59:02 PM
You guys would be happy to know that since the assault rifles portion of the bill is no longer being pursued that you can start to find new AR's on the shelf at MSRP.  Those people that bought up lots of guns hoping to sell them at insane profits are going to lose their asses.  It's going to be hilarious.  :lol:

Know a guy who bought two a couple months ago and had both sold that day for a ridic sum.  He bought them for like $800 and sold them both for $2400 ea. 

LOL @ all the  :runaway: ppl.

Gun manufacturers are all  :emawkid:   :dance:  :driving: and should be doing all they can to keep a democrat in office. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 25, 2013, 03:54:40 PM
You guys would be happy to know that since the assault rifles portion of the bill is no longer being pursued that you can start to find new AR's on the shelf at MSRP.  Those people that bought up lots of guns hoping to sell them at insane profits are going to lose their asses.  It's going to be hilarious.  :lol:

Know a guy who bought two a couple months ago and had both sold that day for a ridic sum.  He bought them for like $800 and sold them both for $2400 ea. 

LOL @ all the  :runaway: ppl.

Gun manufacturers are all  :emawkid:   :dance:  :driving: and should be doing all they can to keep a democrat in office.

Democrats definitely know how to arm the nation.  In the last 4 months I've thought more about buying a gun than I ever have in the past.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 25, 2013, 04:07:20 PM
My dad has been trying to pick up a box of .380 for his pistol for 6 weeks and has not found one on the shelves.

Fear.  Stoke the fire and print money.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 25, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
While hoarders piss me off, retailers selling at MSRP during a panic also piss me off.  If they raised prices it'd prevent hoarding by reasonable people and also prevent these secondary markets from popping up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 25, 2013, 04:42:07 PM
You guys would be happy to know that since the assault rifles portion of the bill is no longer being pursued that you can start to find new AR's on the shelf at MSRP.  Those people that bought up lots of guns hoping to sell them at insane profits are going to lose their asses.  It's going to be hilarious.  :lol:

Yeah, the smart choice is to stock up when a republican is in office and to sell when the democrat gets elected. Most of the people I know who were ripped off on their assault rifles weren't looking to resell for profit, though. They were just buying them because they were scared shitless that they might not be able to get one later if they held off. Seems like a pretty bad reason to go buy an assault weapon to me, but who am I to judge?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 25, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
I know people who were "flipping" them.  I don't know anyone who bought one in fear but I do know many that would have if the price wasn't crazy.

I was planning to buy one with my Christmas bonus (before the school shooting happened), but no way was I paying 2x.  I do have stuff on order (at MSRP) that I bought around Xmas, still hasn't shipped and no word on ship date.  It's stuff I would have bought anyway so might as well place my electronic marker in line.

It's almost getting to the point where I suspect the DNC and the NRA/gun lobby/gun manufacturers are all in bed together.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 25, 2013, 05:04:31 PM

It's almost getting to the point where I suspect the DNC and the NRA/gun lobby/gun manufacturers are all in bed together.

Of course they are.  I guarantee the gun lobby is publicly funding/fueling the R's side of the aisle to keep the issue in the public eye to maintain the fear of regulation and simultaneously helping to fund election/re-election campaigns of most D's.

I mean, I am certainly not a gun exec, but that is exactly how I would play it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 25, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
Interesting if true.  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 25, 2013, 05:16:24 PM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 25, 2013, 05:18:55 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/25/news/companies/guns-ammo-jobs/index.html?source=cnn_bin (http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/25/news/companies/guns-ammo-jobs/index.html?source=cnn_bin)

Quote
DRT currently cranks out 80,000 bullets per shift and operates two shifts per day. But that's not enough to meet demand. So Weddle is adding a third manufacturing shift and building an additional facility.

"Demand picked up a year ago -- it quadrupled," he said. "It just went crazy." He says .223 caliber ammo, which is for semiautomatic rifles, is particularly difficult to keep in stock.

Quote
employees at a nearby Remington plant in Lonoke are telling him that "they're running full swing up there, running 24-7."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 25, 2013, 07:18:47 PM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 25, 2013, 08:34:58 PM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?

That's why people, and the government, are loading up Dlew.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 26, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?

That is just beyond stupid, IMO.  The people that go all nuts and kill other people aren't out on the range shooting high volumes of rounds.  Would only punish those who are really passionate about shooting.   :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 26, 2013, 09:34:07 AM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?

That is just beyond stupid, IMO.  The people that go all nuts and kill other people aren't out on the range shooting high volumes of rounds.  Would only punish those who are really passionate about shooting.   :frown:

I agree.  Bullets aren't the problem. 



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2013, 10:54:32 AM
School shooting, England style.

Quote
Catering staff at a secondary school in Essex have been banned from serving triangle shaped flapjacks after one was thrown at a pupil.

According to reports, canteen staff at Castle View School in Canvey Island, Essex, have been told to cut flapjacks into rectangles or squares rather than triangles.

It is understood that the triangular version was banned after one was thrown, hitting a boy in the face.

Critics have pointed out that a square flapjack has more sharp corners than a triangle shaped one.

Despite this, Essex County Council said the ban was "not a county council decision" but confirmed the incident and the decision on behalf of the school.

A spokesperson for Castle View School, Canvey Island, said: “I can confirm that the texture and shape of the flapjacks were reviewed following an isolated accident last week.”   

This is not the first time flapjacks have been banned for being a risk.

Famously, Education Secretary, Michael Gove, was stopped from taking flapjacks - given to him by his wife - into a cabinet meeting in 2011.

He was detained by security at the time and told the flapjacks were a security risk and would not be allowed in the cabinet room.

A spokesman for the Health and Safety Executive said: "We often come across half-baked decisions taken in the name of health and safety, but this one takes the biscuit.

"The real issue isn't what shape the flapjacks are, but the fact that pupils are throwing them at each other - and that's a matter of discipline, and has got nothing to do with health and safety as we know it.

"We're happy to make clear that flapjacks of all shapes and sizes continue to have our full backing."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on March 27, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
only outlaws will have triangle shaped flapjacks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 27, 2013, 11:29:04 AM
only outlaws will have triangle shaped flapjacks

It's not the flapjack, it's the thrower.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 27, 2013, 11:30:49 AM
If everyone was armed with triangle flapjacks, no one would be throwing.  :nono:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on March 27, 2013, 11:38:23 AM
Quote
"We're happy to make clear that flapjacks of all shapes and sizes continue to have our full backing,"
said the President of the NFA, David Keene.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 28, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
Quote
Released with the warrants was a statement from Stephen J. Sedensky III, State’s Attorney for the Judicial District of Danbury, offering the official timeline of events.

On the morning of December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza, the shooter, age 20, of 36 Yogananda St., Newtown, shot his mother, Nancy Lanza, age 52, in her bed with a .22 caliber rifle. There was no indication of a struggle.
Later the shooter went to Sandy Hook Elementary school where he shot his way into the building and killed 20 children and 6 adults with a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle. The Bushmaster was loaded with a 30-round capacity magazine. Fourteen rounds were in the magazine when the Bushmaster was recovered by police. There was one round in the chamber.
The shooter took his own life with a single shot from a Glock 10 mm handgun. He also had a loaded 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun on his person. Recovered from the person of the shooter, in addition to more ammunition for the handguns, were three, 30-round magazines for the Bushmaster, each containing 30 rounds. Located in the area of the shootings were six additional 30-round magazines containing 0, 0, 0, 10, 11, and 13 live rounds respectively. One-hundred-and-fifty-four spent .223 casings were recovered from the scene.
It is currently estimated that the time from when the shooter shot his way into the school until he took his own life was less than five minutes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2013, 10:54:50 AM
A bullet every two seconds for 5 min.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
A bullet every two seconds for 5 min.

Yeah. That should pretty much just be outlawed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 28, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
A bullet every two seconds for 5 min.

Yeah. That should pretty much just be outlawed.

Why?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2013, 11:26:02 AM
Doing that in a school already is illegal.

My post was more of a "holy crap that is a lot of firing" note.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 28, 2013, 03:03:22 PM
People are already poking holes in that released report.  For example:  you can't fit a shotgun and 70 shells in the glove box of a Honda Civic. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 28, 2013, 04:18:42 PM
People are already poking holes in that released report.  For example:  you can't fit a shotgun and 70 shells in the glove box of a Honda Civic.

lol, sweet post loser
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 28, 2013, 04:20:58 PM
Whoa whoa easy on the butthurt there Paul Moscow.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 28, 2013, 04:24:23 PM
Quote
Police also found three photographs of an unidentified dead person covered in plastic and blood, according to CTnow.com.


Umm, WHAT
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 28, 2013, 04:33:48 PM
Whoa whoa easy on the butthurt there Paul Moscow.

not butthurt, you're just pretty rough ridin' dumb, you know?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 28, 2013, 04:34:57 PM
Whoa whoa easy on the butthurt there Paul Moscow.

not butthurt, you're just pretty rough ridin' dumb, you know?

If you're eating that bug I'm setting the hook and tightening down on the drag, idiot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 28, 2013, 04:51:57 PM
Whoa whoa easy on the butthurt there Paul Moscow.

not butthurt, you're just pretty rough ridin' dumb, you know?

If you're eating that bug I'm setting the hook and tightening down on the drag, idiot.

lol, you've embraced every other breitbart/morton toe theory in this thread. Forgive me for not knowing how far down your shirt you can drool.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2013, 05:03:12 PM
What in the world....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on March 28, 2013, 07:42:32 PM
Kind of upset that I asked this a couple months ago and got no response, hopefully get one this time:

... but did any of the posters who are against more gun laws argue that Trayvon Martin should of been carrying a firearm?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2013, 08:02:01 PM
Kind of upset that I asked this a couple months ago and got no response, hopefully get one this time:

... but did any of the posters who are against more gun laws argue that Trayvon Martin should of been carrying a firearm?

I think if he was carrying a lacoste polo and boat shoes he would have been safer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on March 28, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
well of course he should have had a firearm
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 28, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
do people in england really still call pancakes flapjacks?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on March 28, 2013, 09:14:33 PM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:


It's mostly just gang activity in the slums of the inner city.  Why does every mouth-breathing conservative bring up Chicago every time gun violence is being discussed?  For every time you mention Chicago, I can mention countries like England and Australia (who have very strict gun laws, and have like 30 gun deaths a year).

Probably because Chicago, as an American city, is more relevant to the discussion of gun control in America than island nations that don't have millions of guns floating around, land borders through which illegal guns could easily be smuggled through and an extensive history and culture of gun ownership
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2013, 10:16:08 PM
Heard on the radio that 2/3rds of all gun deaths are suicides.  I feel like this drastically changes the discussion.  Was probs already posted too.

  I am staunchly pro-suicide.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 28, 2013, 10:34:42 PM
Heard on the radio that 2/3rds of all gun deaths are suicides.  I feel like this drastically changes the discussion.  Was probs already posted too.

  I am staunchly pro-suicide.


Heard that too. Really made me think about my anti-gun stance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on March 28, 2013, 10:46:09 PM
i am pro-everything
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on March 28, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
Gun restrictions working out really well for Chicago.  :rolleyes:


It's mostly just gang activity in the slums of the inner city.  Why does every mouth-breathing conservative bring up Chicago every time gun violence is being discussed?  For every time you mention Chicago, I can mention countries like England and Australia (who have very strict gun laws, and have like 30 gun deaths a year).

Pretty sure a vast majority of gun homicide in america is gang related.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2013, 11:03:34 PM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?

That is just beyond stupid, IMO.  The people that go all nuts and kill other people aren't out on the range shooting high volumes of rounds.  Would only punish those who are really passionate about shooting.   :frown:
people could still should rubber bullets "on the range."

sounds like Emo is #teamrubberbullets.  welcome aboard, mate!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2013, 11:05:23 PM
Homicide,  maybe, but evidently not all deaths. Evidently,  homicide(legally justified or not), apparently only acct for one third of gun deaths.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2013, 10:17:05 AM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?

That is just beyond stupid, IMO.  The people that go all nuts and kill other people aren't out on the range shooting high volumes of rounds.  Would only punish those who are really passionate about shooting.   :frown:
people could still should rubber bullets "on the range."

sounds like Emo is #teamrubberbullets.  welcome aboard, mate!

Rubber bullets can't travel a 1000 yards very accurately.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
in the new issue of Wired they talked about bullet regulation so it doesn't seem like Dlew is such a dumbass now DOES IT!?

That is just beyond stupid, IMO.  The people that go all nuts and kill other people aren't out on the range shooting high volumes of rounds.  Would only punish those who are really passionate about shooting.   :frown:
people could still should rubber bullets "on the range."

sounds like Emo is #teamrubberbullets.  welcome aboard, mate!

Rubber bullets can't travel a 1000 yards very accurately.

They also can't kill a 6 year old.  Tough trade off for the dope who wants to go pretend he is Marky Mark in The Sniper but oh well.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on March 29, 2013, 04:25:19 PM
emo emaw more like bubba emaw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Could always hatchet a 6 year old to death?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2013, 04:40:30 PM
Could always hatchet a 6 year old to death?  :dunno:

I don't know, he brings up a great point here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2013, 04:44:38 PM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).

and if you really are determined to kill 23 6 year olds with hatchets, you can build your own hatchet bullets. (or hatchet-firing guns, YMMV)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2013, 05:05:46 PM
Problem is people aren't that motivated or inclined to do something illegal to protect their own home or loved ones from people who are motivated to do something illegal to harm them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).
just because it's possible to do something illegal doesn't mean that the thing should be legal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2013, 07:20:20 PM
have drones been discussed?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2013, 07:27:15 PM
Could always hatchet a 6 year old to death?  :dunno:

I don't know, he brings up a great point here.

1 bullet every 2 seconds for 5 min.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2013, 07:28:11 PM
have drones been discussed?

As a problem, or a deterrent?  Pretty sure we all agreed that every school should have a drone in every classroom.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 30, 2013, 02:28:41 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 30, 2013, 02:47:59 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack.

i'd say once the kid is out in the world, it's no longer an abortion  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 30, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack.

How evangelical of you.
i'd say once the kid is out in the world, it's no longer an abortion  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 30, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack.

i'd say once the kid is out in the world, it's no longer an abortion  :dunno:
How evangelical of you.

meaning your strawman should be ban scissors from wierdos, not ban abortions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 30, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
I'm pro-life and I don't think that article holds any grounds for why abortions should be illegal, means the whole reason there's a court hearing is because he murdered a newborn, not performed an abortion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 31, 2013, 12:49:41 AM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).
just because it's possible to do something illegal doesn't mean that the thing should be legal

People willing to do one illegal thing are usually willing to do two illegal things.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 31, 2013, 01:34:02 AM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).
just because it's possible to do something illegal doesn't mean that the thing should be legal

People willing to do one illegal thing are usually willing to do two illegal things.
what is your point?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Domino on March 31, 2013, 10:22:29 AM
well of course he should have had a firearm

And how would that have made the situation better, IYO? If we take George Zimmerman at his word, then he would've been dead by a sneak attack when he we got out of his truck because he got lost in a neighborhood he spent months patrolling in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 01, 2013, 08:42:29 AM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).
just because it's possible to do something illegal doesn't mean that the thing should be legal

People willing to do one illegal thing are usually willing to do two illegal things.
what is your point?

That we shouldn't have laws on anything because people will just break them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).

gun chowder is regulated bro.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 01, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).

gun chowder is regulated bro.

Never seen McGuyver?  Gunpowder = coal + sulpher + salt peter.  All readily and commercially available. Anyway we are way down the worm hole with this stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 01, 2013, 08:23:25 PM
the ingredients to meth are all readily and commercially available.  better legalize it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).

gun chowder is regulated bro.

Never seen McGuyver?  Gunpowder = coal + sulpher + salt peter.  All readily and commercially available. Anyway we are way down the worm hole with this stuff.

I could give you a week and you couldn't make gun chowder that would work in a reloaded cartridge.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 01, 2013, 08:28:37 PM
Plus that's the recipe for black chowder.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2013, 08:29:18 PM
Plus that's the recipe for black chowder.

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 01, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
Plus that's the recipe for black chowder.

 :horrorsurprise:

So good luck on your musket massacre, emo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2013, 08:38:39 PM
the ingredients to meth are all readily and commercially available.  better legalize it.

Not your best effort
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 01, 2013, 08:59:57 PM
the ingredients to meth are all readily and commercially available.  better legalize it.

Not your best effort

No, he uses his best effort on puns (love those). But even without his best effort he shot down Emo's stupid talking point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 02, 2013, 12:11:15 AM
listen, i'm not saying rubber bullets are the answer, but if they aren't, it better be for a reason better than "i can still make bullets in my basement," or "i can't shoot rubber bullets out of my sniper rifle at the gun range."
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on April 02, 2013, 12:35:47 AM
I think the point everyone is missing with the rubber bullets, is it would take very little effort to replace the rubber with lead you molded yourself.  There is no reason to mix your own gun chowder.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 02, 2013, 01:17:02 AM
I think the point everyone is missing with the rubber bullets, is it would take very little effort to replace the rubber with lead you molded yourself.  There is no reason to mix your own gun chowder.

sounds like a lot of effort to me.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on April 02, 2013, 08:08:25 AM
So are killing sprees.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Also tons of people make their own bullets, so like even if you couldn't get them in a store you could always just make them if you were really determined to kill a 6 year old (assuming the hatchet route didn't interest you).

gun chowder is regulated bro.

Never seen McGuyver?  Gunpowder = coal + sulpher + salt peter.  All readily and commercially available. Anyway we are way down the worm hole with this stuff.

I could give you a week and you couldn't make gun chowder that would work in a reloaded cartridge.

Irrelevant.  I'm not a chemist.  The point is that it's possible and it could/would be done by someone and the knowledge would be shared.  Of course also ammo would be smuggled in from other countries.

The bigger point is:  loading bullets or shooting paper doesn't infringe on anyone's rights, therefore they should not be limited or regulated.  Killing people does, and it is.  Adding more superfluous laws because you can't enfore law #1 is stupid and, well, superfluous.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on April 02, 2013, 08:50:19 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fedor on April 02, 2013, 08:59:03 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?
Are you serious?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2013, 09:09:02 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

Can do in your family room while you watch NASCAR.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 02, 2013, 10:56:14 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

Can do in your family room while you watch NASCAR.

EFFORTLESSLY
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 02, 2013, 11:22:19 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

Can do in your family room while you watch NASCAR.

EFFORTLESSLY

And then getting it back into a cartridge so it will work?  LOL at people who think this is an easy sunday hobby. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 02, 2013, 11:48:49 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I did this when I was like 10 or 11. I sold them to the local gun shop.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

Can do in your family room while you watch NASCAR.

EFFORTLESSLY

And then getting it back into a cartridge so it will work?  LOL at people who think this is an easy sunday hobby.

Easy hobby for me.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 02, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
My old neighbor had a reloader thingy.  Just a three station set up where you fill premeasured chowder, set bullet/primer thingy, crank leaver thingy.....boom done and ready.

He collects everyone's shells when we hunt so that he can reload for himself and save money on ammo. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 02, 2013, 12:20:57 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack.

i'd say once the kid is out in the world, it's no longer an abortion  :dunno:


Planned Parenthood and Senate Democrats disagree

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/02/inconvenient_headlines_117749.html

Can we continue to put babies at risk like this just so a few women can have an abortion?  I say the answer is clearly, NO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 02, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack.

i'd say once the kid is out in the world, it's no longer an abortion  :dunno:


Planned Parenthood and Senate Democrats disagree

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/02/inconvenient_headlines_117749.html

Can we continue to put babies at risk like this just so a few women can have an abortion?  I say the answer is clearly, NO.

Sickening.

Quote
Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer of California who engaged in an unwise colloquy with then-Senator Rick Santorum about when infants deserve to be treated as people, spoke for many of the caring elite when she said that life begins when "you take the baby home from the hospital."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on April 02, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
If life begins at conception, does that mean a woman who is impregnated in September (meaning the baby won't be born until the next year) gets to claim the unborn fetus as a dependent on her tax return?  Is she also eligible for all the other deductions that a child allows?  If she is single, can she file for and receive WIC benefits before the baby is born?  Is she allowed to drive in the carpool lane by herself since there are technically two people in the vehicle?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
If life begins at conception, does that mean a woman who is impregnated in September (meaning the baby won't be born until the next year) gets to claim the unborn fetus as a dependent on her tax return?  Is she also eligible for all the other deductions that a child allows?  If she is single, can she file for and receive WIC benefits before the baby is born?  Is she allowed to drive in the carpool lane by herself since there are technically two people in the vehicle?

This is where Euro law is superior because they look at the intent of the law and not the literal meanings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2013, 04:39:54 PM
If life begins at conception, does that mean a woman who is impregnated in September (meaning the baby won't be born until the next year) gets to claim the unborn fetus as a dependent on her tax return?  Is she also eligible for all the other deductions that a child allows?  If she is single, can she file for and receive WIC benefits before the baby is born?  Is she allowed to drive in the carpool lane by herself since there are technically two people in the vehicle?

This is where Euro law is superior because they look at the intent of the law and not the literal meanings.

Some judges do that here, too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2013, 04:40:25 PM
Fantastic.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 02, 2013, 04:58:34 PM
If life begins at conception, does that mean a woman who is impregnated in September (meaning the baby won't be born until the next year) gets to claim the unborn fetus as a dependent on her tax return?  Is she also eligible for all the other deductions that a child allows?  If she is single, can she file for and receive WIC benefits before the baby is born?  Is she allowed to drive in the carpool lane by herself since there are technically two people in the vehicle?

Certainly pregnant women can get special benefits for unborn children, and there is also a federal law that protects unborn children against violent crimes.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on April 02, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
If life begins at conception, does that mean a woman who is impregnated in September (meaning the baby won't be born until the next year) gets to claim the unborn fetus as a dependent on her tax return?  Is she also eligible for all the other deductions that a child allows?  If she is single, can she file for and receive WIC benefits before the baby is born?  Is she allowed to drive in the carpool lane by herself since there are technically two people in the vehicle?

This is pretty well covered in the tax code.

However, in the tort arena many a leftist personal inury attorney has advocated that life begins at gestation.  I believe this has been adopted as law in some states.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 02, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

fishing lures seem slightly different than bullets.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 02, 2013, 09:36:40 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

fishing lures seem slightly different than bullets.

You seem like quite the outdoorsman.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 02, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

fishing lures seem slightly different than bullets.

You seem like quite the outdoorsman.

i'm not actually!   :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 02, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

fishing lures seem slightly different than bullets.

You seem like quite the outdoorsman.

i'm not actually!   :lol:

lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
again, just because an activity is easy and inconspicuous doesn't mean it should be legal.  tons of easy and inconspicuous activities are illegal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 03, 2013, 12:52:32 AM
just because an activity is easy, harmless and inconspicuous doesn't mean it should be legal.

ok, fascistlew.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 12:59:09 AM
just because an activity is easy, harmless and inconspicuous doesn't mean it should be legal.

ok, fascistlew.
Bullets aren't harmless, you crazy guy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on April 03, 2013, 01:00:11 AM
I can't imagine the turn you took in life that lead you to molding your own fishing lures.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 03, 2013, 01:21:28 AM
Bullets aren't harmless, you crazy guy.

buying them is harmless.  making them is harmless.  i bet you're thinking of shooting them at other people, which i believe should not be legal.  fortunately, that activity is pretty conspicuous, and really isn't that easy either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on April 03, 2013, 03:31:48 AM
So the NRA wants armed guards in well, everywhere /need freedom, can't live in a police state
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
sys completely owning dlew in this thread.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on April 03, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

fishing lures seem slightly different than bullets.

And your point is?  This solution being argued would affect nearly every gun owner but could only hope to impact an extremely small percentage of psychopaths.  By definition, a psychopath is capable/willing/motivated and usually intelligent enough to do something "mildly inconvenient" or even something "really really hard" to accomplish something.

I know, I know.  [bleeding heart] we have to do something! [bleeding heart]

Sometimes stopping insanity is something. Much of the gun legislation already on the books - as well as the newly proposed legislation - qualifies for insanity.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on April 03, 2013, 10:15:46 AM
  tons of easy and inconspicuous activities are illegal.

And how's that working out?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ben ji on April 03, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

I lurk on a fishing board from time to time and every year they have a big gathering similar to fatty fest...except they call it the lead pour and they melt lead and mold it into sinkers and other fishing weights...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

I lurk on a fishing board from time to time and every year they have a big gathering similar to fatty fest...except they call it the lead pour and they melt lead and mold it into sinkers and other fishing weights...

similar? more like exactly the same as fatty fest
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 03, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
When is fatty fest? I want to go.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2013, 01:24:46 PM
When is fatty fest? I want to go.

June sometime. Trim should make his trimphant return to the board someday and fill in the details.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 03, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
When is fatty fest? I want to go.

June sometime. Trim should make his trimphant return to the board someday and fill in the details.

I've heard some deets and it sounds like it's going to be a great time friends!   :emawkid:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 03, 2013, 01:41:19 PM
When is fatty fest? I want to go.

June sometime. Trim should make his trimphant return to the board someday and fill in the details.

:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
Bullets aren't harmless, you crazy guy.

buying them is harmless.  making them is harmless.  i bet you're thinking of shooting them at other people, which i believe should not be legal.  fortunately, that activity is pretty conspicuous, and really isn't that easy either.
I think this is getting into semantics.  If you think that bullets, by their nature, "are harmless," i would imagine that your definition of "harmless" includes far more things than most others' would - which is okay, but important to recognize that you're opinion probably isn't widely held.  That's why regulations on bullets exist.

I understand your point of view and I recognize that it's consistent and rational, but our state operates functionally different than the one for which you're advocating.  The fact is, our laws prohibit certain activities, that in and of themselves, do no harm to others, are easy to do, and are inconspicuous.  Given your argument, I'd imagine you think that those activities (like the possession of heroin, for example) should be legal, but they're not.   

Also, we, as a country, have decided that ammunition, specifically, isn't harmless.  That's why we regulate it.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on April 03, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2013, 02:08:22 PM
Bullets aren't harmless, you crazy guy.

buying them is harmless.  making them is harmless.  i bet you're thinking of shooting them at other people, which i believe should not be legal.  fortunately, that activity is pretty conspicuous, and really isn't that easy either.
I think this is getting into semantics.  If you think that bullets, by their nature, "are harmless," i would imagine that your definition of "harmless" includes far more things than most others' would - which is okay, but important to recognize that you're opinion probably isn't widely held.  That's why regulations on bullets exist.

I understand your point of view and I recognize that it's consistent and rational, but our state operates functionally different than the one for which you're advocating.  The fact is, our laws prohibit certain activities, that in and of themselves, do no harm to others, are easy to do, and are inconspicuous.  Given your argument, I'd imagine you think that those activities (like the possession of heroin, for example) should be legal, but they're not.

Can you do anything legal and useful with heroin?  I mean I think it's reasonable to think if someone is caught with heroin that their either going to use it (illegal) or sell it (illegal).  Whereas millions of Americans drive around or carry everyday a loaded pistol, never with the intent of doing anything harmful or illegal. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 02:15:12 PM
I think this is getting into semantics.  If you think that bullets, by their nature, "are harmless," i would imagine that your definition of "harmless" includes far more things than most others' would - which is okay, but important to recognize that you're opinion probably isn't widely held.  That's why regulations on bullets exist.

I understand your point of view and I recognize that it's consistent and rational, but our state operates functionally different than the one for which you're advocating.  The fact is, our laws prohibit certain activities, that in and of themselves, do no harm to others, are easy to do, and are inconspicuous.  Given your argument, I'd imagine you think that those activities (like the possession of heroin, for example) should be legal, but they're not.

Can you do anything legal and useful with heroin?  I mean I think it's reasonable to think if someone is caught with heroin that their either going to use it (illegal) or sell it (illegal).  Whereas millions of Americans drive around or carry everyday a loaded pistol, never with the intent of doing anything harmful or illegal.
Ok, now you're getting into something completely different than what we were talking about (harmlessness) and a little convoluted.

Citizens can do something useful with heroin: Inject it into their body and feel good.
Citizens can't do anything legal with heroin because...possession of it is already illegal.  But at some point it wasn't illegal and in that period, people were going around using heroin legally.

Citizens can do something useful with ammunition: Stop a bad guy.
Citizens can do legal stuff with ammunition because...possession of "lethal" ammunition isn't illegal.  But it would be if legislators made it illegal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2013, 02:23:23 PM
I guess I just don't think it's a good idea to criminalize people doing perfectly harmless things like punching holes in paper or breaking sporting clays?   :dunno:

Not to mention the whole 2nd amendment thing, but from a practical standpoint what you're advocating seems unreasonable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 02:28:07 PM
I guess I just don't think it's a good idea to criminalize people doing perfectly harmless things like punching holes in paper or breaking sporting clays?   :dunno:

Not to mention the whole 2nd amendment thing, but from a practical standpoint what you're advocating seems unreasonable.
Okay, back to harmlessness. Your definition of "harmless" is so strict that mere "possession" of any otherwise prohibited thing (drugs, child porn, etc) could be considered "harmless." 

Also, you could probably break clays or punch holes in paper with non-lethal rubber bullets.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 03, 2013, 02:29:46 PM
I guess I just don't think it's a good idea to criminalize people doing perfectly harmless things like punching holes in paper or breaking sporting clays?   :dunno:

Or doing a line of blow off of the top of a urinal in a bar.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
Hi there strawman.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 03, 2013, 02:31:44 PM
I guess I just don't think it's a good idea to criminalize people doing perfectly harmless things like punching holes in paper or breaking sporting clays?   :dunno:

Or doing a line of blow off of the top of a urinal in a bar.

Agreed, as long as they didn't do anything that endangered someone else afterward.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
Hi there strawman.
I'm sorry.  I understood that you were saying that bullets, by their nature, are not harmless because there are non-harmful ways to use the bullets.  Did I misunderstand you?

My point here is, that to say that bullets are harmless, necessitates a definition of "harmless" so narrow that basically nothing, by its very nature, is not "harmless."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2013, 02:38:19 PM
Hi there strawman.
I'm sorry.  I understood that you were saying that bullets, by their nature, are not harmless because there are non-harmful ways to use the bullets.  Did I misunderstand you?

Well I think you're making a far jump by implying that using heroin is not harmful.  Beyond harm to the user itself, much harm is done to produce, smuggle, and sell illicit drugs.  Just getting the heroin to market harms people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 03, 2013, 02:41:22 PM
Hi there strawman.
I'm sorry.  I understood that you were saying that bullets, by their nature, are not harmless because there are non-harmful ways to use the bullets.  Did I misunderstand you?

Well I think you're making a far jump by implying that using heroin is not harmful.  Beyond harm to the user itself, much harm is done to produce, smuggle, and sell illicit drugs.  Just getting the heroin to market harms people.
If heroin was legal, those problems would go away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2013, 02:56:33 PM
Hi there strawman.
I'm sorry.  I understood that you were saying that bullets, by their nature, are not harmless because there are non-harmful ways to use the bullets.  Did I misunderstand you?

Well I think you're making a far jump by implying that using heroin is not harmful.  Beyond harm to the user itself, much harm is done to produce, smuggle, and sell illicit drugs.  Just getting the heroin to market harms people.
If heroin was legal, those problems would go away.

Well except for the harm it causes to people, but I agree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 03, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
The fact is, our laws prohibit certain activities, that in and of themselves, do no harm to others, are easy to do, and are inconspicuous.  Given your argument, I'd imagine you think that those activities (like the possession of heroin, for example) should be legal, but they're not.   

you're right, dlew.  it's a fairly intractable discussion, the one we're having, because it depends not on differences in fact or in logic, but differences in the relative value people place on liberty and security.  i don't think it is easy to come to any agreement.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: HeinBallz on April 03, 2013, 03:38:18 PM
Would meth exist if pot, DMT or other drugs had been legal?  Bath salts? 

What will the black market provide if tighter regulations are enforced on something, which happens to be a very low percentage of the things that do harm.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2013, 03:49:08 PM
The fact is, our laws prohibit certain activities, that in and of themselves, do no harm to others, are easy to do, and are inconspicuous.  Given your argument, I'd imagine you think that those activities (like the possession of heroin, for example) should be legal, but they're not.   

you're right, dlew.  it's a fairly intractable discussion, the one we're having, because it depends not on differences in fact or in logic, but differences in the relative value people place on liberty and security.  i don't think it is easy to come to any agreement.
Agreed.  Like I said, yours is a position that I disagree with, but respect because it's rational and consistent.  Just different philosophies. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2013, 11:20:14 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

Huge difference bewteen making a split shot and a bullet that can easily be put into a cartridge.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2013, 11:31:15 AM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

Huge difference bewteen making a split shot and a bullet that can easily be put into a cartridge.

Depends on the range you plan to fire it. 

Also, shotgun reloading is as easy as refilling your gas tank.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
Who the eff is effortlessly molding lead in their basement?

I can give you the names of three different rednecks in butler county alone that have been making their own fishing lures for years.  Making a mold and melting a metal with a super low melting point isn't rocket science.

Huge difference bewteen making a split shot and a bullet that can easily be put into a cartridge.

Depends.  Making bullets that will functionally fire without pressure problems is one thing.  Making bullets that will shoot less than 1 MOA consistently is another.  The former can be done for less money than it takes to buy an AR15, FWIW.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Hey anti-gun nuts, is this considered enough of a massacre to outlaw all abortions?

 http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/murder-trial-under-way-for-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-680785/

7 kids born alive were slaughtered with scissors and god know what else by a planned parenthood quack.

i'd say once the kid is out in the world, it's no longer an abortion  :dunno:


Planned Parenthood and Senate Democrats disagree

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/02/inconvenient_headlines_117749.html

Can we continue to put babies at risk like this just so a few women can have an abortion?  I say the answer is clearly, NO.

Sickening.

Quote
Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer of California who engaged in an unwise colloquy with then-Senator Rick Santorum about when infants deserve to be treated as people, spoke for many of the caring elite when she said that life begins when "you take the baby home from the hospital."

Apparently B.O. took this position when he was in the Illinois Senate advocating for the murder of children born as the result of a botched abortion.  What a sick rough ridin' piece of crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on April 04, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
Just remember guys!

According to democrats innocent children have no right to life, but heinous murderers on death row do!
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
Just remember guys!

According to democrats innocent children have no right to life, but heinous murderers on death row do!
 :thumbs:

It's the white mans fault.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 04, 2013, 10:36:58 PM
just remember guys!

According to republicans, blacks and mexicans have no rights, and neither do poor or gay people either!
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2013, 10:49:05 PM
just remember guys!

According to republicans, blacks and mexicans have no rights, and neither do poor or gay people either!
 :thumbs:

But did they ever try and cut their tiny baby heads off with scissors or a rusty scalpal?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 04, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
i'm sure the scalpel is never rusty.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on April 04, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
just remember guys!

According to republicans, blacks and mexicans have no rights, and neither do poor or gay people either!
 :thumbs:

But did they ever try and cut their tiny baby heads off with scissors or a rusty scalpal?

Gays can't have abortions for obvious reasons, you'd think that might make Republicans hate them a little less
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2013, 11:05:13 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on April 04, 2013, 11:11:54 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2013, 11:22:42 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?

Look, someone who advocates the genocide of all the unwanted and indigent.  Must be a Republican.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on April 04, 2013, 11:43:27 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?

Look, someone who advocates the genocide of all the unwanted and indigent.  Must be a Republican.

I just want to know if pro-lifers are willing to walk the walk for something they believe in and wish to force on others or if they just want to feel morally superior to those who disagree with them
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 04, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?

Look, someone who advocates the genocide of all the unwanted and indigent.  Must be a Republican.

I just want to know if pro-lifers are willing to walk the walk for something they believe in and wish to force on others or if they just want to feel morally superior to those who disagree with them
listen, i think FSD is being a tool here, but your line of reasoning is bogus, my main man.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on April 04, 2013, 11:51:16 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?

Look, someone who advocates the genocide of all the unwanted and indigent.  Must be a Republican.

I just want to know if pro-lifers are willing to walk the walk for something they believe in and wish to force on others or if they just want to feel morally superior to those who disagree with them
listen, i think FSD is being a tool here, but your line of reasoning is bogus, my main man.

How so?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 04, 2013, 11:56:33 PM
because it's skirting the issue.  people like FSD view abortion as a murder and the fetus as a murder victim.

people that think that murder is morally wrong shouldn't be required to be willing to take in and be responsible for potential murder victims, should they?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
because it's skirting the issue.  people like FSD view abortion as a murder and the fetus as a murder victim.

people that think that murder is morally wrong shouldn't be required to be willing to take in and be responsible for potential murder victims, should they?

Fetus?  We're talking about a child alive outside of the mother's womb here. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 05, 2013, 12:30:26 AM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?

What already born ward of the state would you be willing to adopt? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 05, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
people that think that murder is morally wrong shouldn't be required to be willing to take in and be responsible for potential murder victims, should they?

people that want to outlaw lead bullets should have to follow hunters around and shoot the deer that the hunters indicate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2013, 10:35:06 AM
people that think that murder is morally wrong shouldn't be required to be willing to take in and be responsible for potential murder victims, should they?

people that want to outlaw lead bullets should have to follow hunters around and shoot the deer that the hunters indicate.

tranq guns.  boom, deer down and you can go really get off by cutting its throat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 05, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
you can go really get off by cutting its throat.

make dlew do it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
you can go really get off by cutting its throat.

make dlew do it.

We would have a blast hunting together.  I am sure of it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 05, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
We would have a blast hunting together.  I am sure of it.

if i can't have lead bullets, i don't even know if i'd want to go hunting.  i'd prolly just take delivery of my 2nd amendment deer at the house whenever the government wanted to drop it off.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 05, 2013, 11:33:02 AM
We would have a blast hunting together.  I am sure of it.

if i can't have lead bullets, i don't even know if i'd want to go hunting.  i'd prolly just take delivery of my 2nd amendment deer at the house whenever the government wanted to drop it off.
that's the spirit!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 05, 2013, 11:34:39 AM
that's the spirit!

 :)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2013, 11:35:36 AM
We would have a blast hunting together.  I am sure of it.

if i can't have lead bullets, i don't even know if i'd want to go hunting.  i'd prolly just take delivery of my 2nd amendment deer at the house whenever the government wanted to drop it off.

Hunting with a tranq gun is at least 40% more rewarding.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 05, 2013, 11:36:23 AM
We would have a blast hunting together.  I am sure of it.

if i can't have lead bullets, i don't even know if i'd want to go hunting.  i'd prolly just take delivery of my 2nd amendment deer at the house whenever the government wanted to drop it off.

Hunting with a tranq gun is at least 40% more rewarding.
or with just those big knives that people use to hunt wild boars.  exciting!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 05, 2013, 11:42:35 AM
because it's skirting the issue.  people like FSD view abortion as a murder and the fetus as a murder victim.

people that think that murder is morally wrong shouldn't be required to be willing to take in and be responsible for potential murder victims, should they?

Fetus?  We're talking about a child alive outside of the mother's womb here.

Yeah, I'm not sure who you think it is that disagrees with you that that is murder.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 05, 2013, 11:51:58 AM
We would have a blast hunting together.  I am sure of it.

if i can't have lead bullets, i don't even know if i'd want to go hunting.  i'd prolly just take delivery of my 2nd amendment deer at the house whenever the government wanted to drop it off.

Hunting with a tranq gun is at least 40% more rewarding.

I was going to say 70%, but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 05, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
because it's skirting the issue.  people like FSD view abortion as a murder and the fetus as a murder victim.

people that think that murder is morally wrong shouldn't be required to be willing to take in and be responsible for potential murder victims, should they?

Fetus?  We're talking about a child alive outside of the mother's womb here.

Yeah, I'm not sure who you think it is that disagrees with you that that is murder.

Obama and Barbara Boxer disagree. And people here are defending them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on April 05, 2013, 04:57:26 PM
Can you give me the quote where Obama defended the dude that was killing babies after they were born?  TIA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shacks on April 06, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
Let's not detract from your President's sickening stance on killing babies.

Would you be willing to adopt a baby if it prevented an abortion?

What already born ward of the state would you be willing to adopt?

None, but I'm not the one pretending to be on the moral high ground
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 07, 2013, 12:15:41 AM
Can you give me the quote where Obama defended the dude that was killing babies after they were born?  TIA

He's not going to support a known murderer, but he does support the late term abortions the good doctor performs. Sometimes they accidentally come out alive and need to be snuffed out. Liberals are OK with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 07, 2013, 02:04:17 AM
i've never had any part in an abortion  :cry:

liberal card revoked i guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 07, 2013, 11:59:34 AM
i've never had any part in an abortion  :cry:

liberal card revoked i guess.

You need to have sex first.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 07, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
i've never had any part in an abortion  :cry:

liberal card revoked i guess.

You need to have sex first.

Slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam!

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 07, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
Can you give me the quote where Obama defended the dude that was killing babies after they were born?  TIA

www.google.com or www.YouTube.com are pretty good sources.  You should only find a few million hits to the audio.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 08, 2013, 07:04:18 AM
Can you give me the quote where Obama defended the dude that was killing babies after they were born?  TIA

www.google.com or www.YouTube.com are pretty good sources.  You should only find a few million hits to the audio.

Wouldn't it have been easier to have just said "no"?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 08, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
Can you give me the quote where Obama defended the dude that was killing babies after they were born?  TIA

www.google.com or www.YouTube.com are pretty good sources.  You should only find a few million hits to the audio.

Wouldn't it have been easier to have just said "no"?

I think that response would have given the wrong impression.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 08, 2013, 10:33:38 PM
hey great thread guys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 09, 2013, 01:52:04 PM
cue the army of dumbasses who cant tell the difference between 14 people injured with a knife and 14 people killed with a gun (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/lone-star-college-stabbing/2067449/)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on April 09, 2013, 02:12:33 PM
cue the army of dumbasses who cant tell the difference between 14 people injured with a knife and 14 people killed with a gun (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/lone-star-college-stabbing/2067449/)

Should we not prevent psycho's from knifing people?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 09, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
cue the army of dumbasses who cant tell the difference between 14 people injured with a knife and 14 people killed with a gun (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/lone-star-college-stabbing/2067449/)

Should we not prevent psycho's from knifing people?

If we could get them to knife people instead of shoot people, it would be a huge improvement.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on April 09, 2013, 02:26:08 PM
cue the army of dumbasses who cant tell the difference between 14 people injured with a knife and 14 people killed with a gun (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/lone-star-college-stabbing/2067449/)

Should we not prevent psycho's from knifing people?

If we could get them to knife people instead of shoot people, it would be a huge improvement.


So you are on Team Psycho then. Got it.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 09, 2013, 02:48:30 PM
cue the army of dumbasses who cant tell the difference between 14 people injured with a knife and 14 people killed with a gun (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/lone-star-college-stabbing/2067449/)

Should we not prevent psycho's from knifing people?

If we could get them to knife people instead of shoot people, it would be a huge improvement.


So you are on Team Psycho then. Got it.

LOL @ this pathetic false dichotomy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 09, 2013, 03:54:09 PM
http://gawker.com/5994198/tough-guy-claims-he-personally-stopped-the-lone-star-stabber-posts-instagram-pic-to-prove-it (http://gawker.com/5994198/tough-guy-claims-he-personally-stopped-the-lone-star-stabber-posts-instagram-pic-to-prove-it)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
cue the army of dumbasses who cant tell the difference between 14 people injured with a knife and 14 people killed with a gun (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/lone-star-college-stabbing/2067449/)

Should we not prevent psycho's from knifing people?

If we could get them to knife people instead of shoot people, it would be a huge improvement.


So you are on Team Psycho then. Got it.

LOL @ this pathetic false dichotomy.

I think what he's trying to say is that the answer isn't to further regulate guns/knives/weapons/rabid coyotes, it's to more effectively identify and treat crazy people, and in the process find out what makes them crazy and if it can be prevented.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 14, 2013, 05:10:25 PM
http://deadspin.com/man-shoots-himself-in-the-head-at-nra-500-472893824?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on April 14, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
My favorite part

Quote
Track spokesman Mike Zizzo say the death occurred "in or around a pickup truck"

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on April 14, 2013, 05:49:58 PM
7 y/o boy in saline county died last night of gunshot wound to the face while shooting handguns with his fam :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 14, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
7 y/o boy in saline county died last night of gunshot wound to the face while shooting handguns with his fam :frown:

Who in the eff is letting a 7 y/o around guns?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on April 14, 2013, 10:05:32 PM
7 y/o boy in saline county died last night of gunshot wound to the face while shooting handguns with his fam :frown:

Who in the eff is letting a 7 y/o around guns?

Man it has been a tough news cycle for ol saline county lately.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 17, 2013, 05:33:31 PM
Harry Reid after the gun bill failed in the Senate:

Quote
Today, the brand of the Republican Party has become more out of step, more extreme. And that's saying something.

Hard Reid voted against the bill.   :lol:  What a hypocrite dumbass.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 17, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
Harry Reid after the gun bill failed in the Senate:

Quote
Today, the brand of the Republican Party has become more out of step, more extreme. And that's saying something.

Hard Reid voted against the bill.   :lol:  What a hypocrite dumbass.

That's the new  same old Democrat brand.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
You guys may want to sit down and study senate procedures a bit. Dumbasses.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: "storm"nut on April 17, 2013, 06:10:50 PM
You guys may want to sit down and study senate procedures a bit. Dumbasses.

How did the dem's fail to bring through a gun control bill that already passed the filibuster attempt? The ball was in there court. Both sides made compromises and had support but it failed because of lousy leadership.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 17, 2013, 06:13:01 PM
Put another Steve Dave on the stringer!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 17, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
Put another Steve Dave on the stringer!

i just supported you in another thread, and now you're looking like a dumbass here.  that makes me look dumb too, so cut it out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on April 17, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
Big day for America.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on April 17, 2013, 07:06:52 PM
Harry Reid after the gun bill failed in the Senate:

Quote
Today, the brand of the Republican Party has become more out of step, more extreme. And that's saying something.

Hard Reid voted against the bill.   :lol:  What a hypocrite dumbass.

It's a common procedure you half-brain - once it was apparent it wouldn't pass the filibuster threat he changed his vote. Its an arcane rule that allows him to bring it back up again.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Panjandrum on April 17, 2013, 10:18:08 PM
Big day for America.

It's a shame we can't get those pussies to vote for background checks.

We're talking about background checks.  Christ.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 17, 2013, 11:20:24 PM
Liberty:  1

Police State:  Contract Pending
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 17, 2013, 11:53:36 PM
Jesus you guys are so easy.  Even Foxnews covered why he voted like that.  Chill out and enjoy life more.

Also sys, you were not supporting me, just my way of thinking in that particular instance.  None of this is personal and ideas exist independent of individuals.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2013, 07:51:41 AM
Fantastic, the same president who runs around accusing others of grandstanding while taking every visit and photo op with victim's families that he could . . . never let a crisis go to waste.

Now on to Executive Orders!



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 18, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
sys, you were not supporting me, just my way of thinking in that particular instance.  None of this is personal and ideas exist independent of individuals.

no, that's not true.  we are now linked in everyone's mind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 18, 2013, 01:39:33 PM
also posting something stupid and then waiting for people to tell you what you posted is stupid isn't clever or funny.  it's just posting something stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 18, 2013, 01:41:22 PM
It's trolling right?  Seems to be accepted behavior around here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 18, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
Seems to be accepted behavior around here.

unfortunately it is.  but the only ones that do that without looking like complete idiots are pissclams and chum1.  and even they look dumb sometimes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 18, 2013, 01:49:23 PM
I'll make an attempt to be better but I make no promises.  This place is my guilty pleasure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 18, 2013, 01:56:25 PM
I'll make an attempt to be better but I make no promises.  This place is my guilty pleasure.
Don't listen to sys. He's just a grumpy eff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 18, 2013, 04:59:37 PM
Fantastic, the same president who runs around accusing others of grandstanding while taking every visit and photo op with victim's families that he could . . . never let a crisis go to waste.

Now on to Executive Orders!

I'll admit it kind of bothers me how he said "These senators looked the Newtown families DIRECTLY IN THE EYE, and failed them".  I don't think that senators should be voting solely on testimonies that appeal to the emotions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 18, 2013, 06:45:08 PM
I'll admit it kind of bothers me how he said "These senators looked the Newtown families DIRECTLY IN THE EYE, and failed them".  I don't think that senators should be voting solely on testimonies that appeal to the emotions.

yeah, he sounded like a butthurt dumbass yesterday.  the fact that his butthurt was staged makes it worse.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 18, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
I'll admit it kind of bothers me how he said "These senators looked the Newtown families DIRECTLY IN THE EYE, and failed them".  I don't think that senators should be voting solely on testimonies that appeal to the emotions.

yeah, he sounded like a butthurt dumbass yesterday.  the fact that his butthurt was staged makes it worse.

Especially because this law would not have directly prevented what happened at Newtown. Lanza tried to buy a gun, and was denied. So as much as the POTUS says it's not "emotional blackmail", it absofreakinglutely was.

Note: I think more background checks are absolutely necessary, and that it was "common-sense legislature", I just thought the tantrum was a little much.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on April 18, 2013, 10:03:42 PM
I'll admit it kind of bothers me how he said "These senators looked the Newtown families DIRECTLY IN THE EYE, and failed them".  I don't think that senators should be voting solely on testimonies that appeal to the emotions.

yeah, he sounded like a butthurt dumbass yesterday.  the fact that his butthurt was staged makes it worse.

Especially because this law would not have directly prevented what happened at Newtown. Lanza tried to buy a gun, and was denied. So as much as the POTUS says it's not "emotional blackmail", it absofreakinglutely was.

Note: I think more background checks are absolutely necessary, and that it was "common-sense legislature", I just thought the tantrum was a little much.

tyranny
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 18, 2013, 10:05:15 PM
I'll admit it kind of bothers me how he said "These senators looked the Newtown families DIRECTLY IN THE EYE, and failed them".  I don't think that senators should be voting solely on testimonies that appeal to the emotions.

yeah, he sounded like a butthurt dumbass yesterday.  the fact that his butthurt was staged makes it worse.

Especially because this law would not have directly prevented what happened at Newtown. Lanza tried to buy a gun, and was denied. So as much as the POTUS says it's not "emotional blackmail", it absofreakinglutely was.

Note: I think more background checks are absolutely necessary, and that it was "common-sense legislature", I just thought the tantrum was a little much.

tyranny

republican buzzword.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 18, 2013, 11:23:30 PM
There was a shooting on MIT's campus. It might still be going on. One campus policeman was reported dead.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 19, 2013, 12:37:45 AM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 19, 2013, 02:12:26 AM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 19, 2013, 09:22:59 AM
Ya know what?  I'd be fine if we just implemented the laws we already have.  The majority of states (including Kansas) are not compliant, despite offers of federal money to become compliant, with transmitting information to update the federal database on felons/crazy people/domestic violence perps.  As it is now the laws already on the books are not as effective as they should be.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GCJayhawker on April 19, 2013, 10:07:52 AM
Not sure that it means anything, but the letter is interesting.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/376098/3/KSDK-Exclusive-Adolphus-Busch-IV-resigns-NRA-membership-
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 19, 2013, 10:14:26 AM
Not sure that it means anything, but the letter is interesting.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/376098/3/KSDK-Exclusive-Adolphus-Busch-IV-resigns-NRA-membership-

poor whoever drives the budweiser nascar  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 19, 2013, 10:16:03 AM
It's going to be entertaining watching NASCAR fans try to boycott Busch Light.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 19, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
It's going to be entertaining watching NASCAR fans try to boycott Busch Light.

and then the Euros are going to be like, "HEY! WE OWN THAT NOW! FOR ONCE YOU CAN CHEER FOR US YOU STUPID REDNECKS!"
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 19, 2013, 01:10:19 PM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.

:gocho:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: eastcat on April 21, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.

He's right, Guns are too dangerous for cops. We should have them all disarmed.

While we're at it we should pass sweeping pressure cooker and backpack bomb reform to keep this from happening ever again.

I mean, who needs a 6 quart pressure cooker?!?! Clearly an assault-cooker intended for wartime use only.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 21, 2013, 01:22:54 AM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.

He's right, Guns are too dangerous for cops. We should have them all disarmed.

While we're at it we should pass sweeping pressure cooker and backpack bomb reform to keep this from happening ever again.

I mean, who needs a 6 quart pressure cooker?!?! Clearly an assault-cooker intended for wartime use only.
possessing "backpack bombs" is already illegal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 21, 2013, 01:23:13 AM
i don't know why i responded to that post.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on April 21, 2013, 12:32:14 PM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.

He's right, Guns are too dangerous for cops. We should have them all disarmed.

While we're at it we should pass sweeping pressure cooker and backpack bomb reform to keep this from happening ever again.

I mean, who needs a 6 quart pressure cooker?!?! Clearly an assault-cooker intended for wartime use only.
possessing "backpack bombs" is already illegal.

yeah that was a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) rant in the same vein as "if teh gays can marry then people will marry horses"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 24, 2013, 12:07:43 PM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1135cbCOMIC-nerrex-arms-inc1.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 24, 2013, 12:09:41 PM
haha boom
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 10:59:11 PM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.

He's right, Guns are too dangerous for cops. We should have them all disarmed.

While we're at it we should pass sweeping pressure cooker and backpack bomb reform to keep this from happening ever again.

I mean, who needs a 6 quart pressure cooker?!?! Clearly an assault-cooker intended for wartime use only.
possessing "backpack bombs" is already illegal.

You're dumb.  Absent mens rea or a strict liability statute there is no crime against making a backpack bomb.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:04:42 PM
The anti gun loons are in quite the pathetic death spiral trying to convince everyone that guns and ammo are the reason psychopaths murder people. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 24, 2013, 11:12:35 PM
Man. If only that cop had been able to carry his own gun and defend himself, maybe this shooting could have been prevented.

Shut the eff up.

He's right, Guns are too dangerous for cops. We should have them all disarmed.

While we're at it we should pass sweeping pressure cooker and backpack bomb reform to keep this from happening ever again.

I mean, who needs a 6 quart pressure cooker?!?! Clearly an assault-cooker intended for wartime use only.
possessing "backpack bombs" is already illegal.

You're dumb.  Absent mens rea or a strict liability statute there is no crime against making a backpack bomb.

The National Firearms Act governs the making, importation, registration, and possession of "firearms," a term that is defined to include "destructive devices," and includes devices in the nature of explosive or incendiary bombs. 26 U.S.C.S. §§ 5845(a), (f); 26 U.S.C.S. §§ 5801-5872 (1988).

You're dumb.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 24, 2013, 11:14:57 PM
lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:15:59 PM
Wow, junior attorney alert.  The fed defined firearms to include bombs, so they are illegal, just like long guns.

JFC, this board is full of nitwits.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
The next time I fill up my gas can I'll be sure to make sure my "firearm" is transferred through a registered firearms dealer so not to break the law, per the advice of whiz bang goE counsel dlew and bubbles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:22:06 PM
crap, I have a bottle of 151 in my liquor cabinet.  Am I in violation of the Federal Firearms Act?

The ramset in my garage?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:24:48 PM
Which one of you retards is going to search all 50 states criminal code to find a strict liability statute against possessing a bomb?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 24, 2013, 11:27:22 PM
you're good to make all the bombs you want if you lack the requisite mens rea to kill people, FSD.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:30:16 PM
you're good to make all the bombs you want if you lack the requisite mens rea to kill people, FSD.

Thanks for the free legal advice.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 24, 2013, 11:35:42 PM
you're good to make all the bombs you want if you lack the requisite mens rea to kill people, FSD.

Thanks for the free legal advice.

that isn't legal advice and it wasn't serious. building bombs is a federal offense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
you're good to make all the bombs you want if you lack the requisite mens rea to kill people, FSD.

Thanks for the free legal advice.

that isn't legal advice and it wasn't serious. building bombs is a federal offense.

Regardless, a bunch of half wits will jump on here posting inapplicable shreds of nonsense (similar to what you posted) and through conjecture and ignorance you and dlew will be falsely vindicated.  Congrats
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 24, 2013, 11:54:01 PM
you're good to make all the bombs you want if you lack the requisite mens rea to kill people, FSD.

Thanks for the free legal advice.

that isn't legal advice and it wasn't serious. building bombs is a federal offense.

Regardless, a bunch of half wits will jump on here posting inapplicable shreds of nonsense (similar to what you posted) and through conjecture and ignorance you and dlew will be falsely vindicated.  Congrats

that was a copy and paste from a u.s. court of appeals case that said it is illegal to build or possess bombs. i posted it in response to you saying it wasn't illegal to build or possess bombs. who is being ignorant here?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 25, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
If that's what you think that says, then, unequivocally, the answer to your question is bubbles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 25, 2013, 12:05:41 AM
crap, I have a bottle of 151 in my liquor cabinet.  Am I in violation of the Federal Firearms Act?

The ramset in my garage?
Do you not think there's a relevant difference between liquor/car and a pressure cooker full of explosives and shrapnel that's all connected to a detonator?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 25, 2013, 12:15:26 AM
crap, I have a bottle of 151 in my liquor cabinet.  Am I in violation of the Federal Firearms Act?

The ramset in my garage?
Do you not think there's a relevant difference between liquor/car and a pressure cooker full of explosives and shrapnel that's all connected to a detonator?

Do you disagree with my original post?  If not, then shut up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 25, 2013, 12:22:07 AM
If that's what you think that says, then, unequivocally, the answer to your question is bubbles.

do you understand that knowingly possessing a bomb is a violation of the national firearms act?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 25, 2013, 12:39:07 AM
crap, I have a bottle of 151 in my liquor cabinet.  Am I in violation of the Federal Firearms Act?

The ramset in my garage?
Do you not think there's a relevant difference between liquor/car and a pressure cooker full of explosives and shrapnel that's all connected to a detonator?

Do you disagree with my original post?  If not, then shut up.
If your original post was saying that possession of the device i just described isn't illegal, then yes.  I unequivocally disagree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 25, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
PM me if necessary, but is FSD someone's sock? He can't be real.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 25, 2013, 01:00:42 AM
PM me if necessary, but is FSD someone's sock?
CONJECTURE AND IGNORANCE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 25, 2013, 01:01:32 AM
He can't be real.
INAPPLICABLE SHRED OF NONSENSE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 25, 2013, 01:02:44 AM
possessing "backpack bombs" is already illegal.
FALSELY VINDICATED
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GCJayhawker on April 25, 2013, 08:12:17 AM
PM me if necessary, but is FSD someone's sock? He can't be real.

I hope he is. If FSD is real, so help us God.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 01, 2013, 08:31:41 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/kentucky-shooting_n_3189828.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on May 01, 2013, 08:42:08 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/kentucky-shooting_n_3189828.html

That's awful.  "the family said the gun was kept in a corner."  Well at least they didn't keep the gun out in the middle of the room.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 01, 2013, 08:45:43 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/kentucky-shooting_n_3189828.html

That's awful.  "the family said the gun was kept in a corner."  Well at least they didn't keep the gun out in the middle of the room.

Yeah, we need laws that would have the mother facing murder charges.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 01, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
That's awful.  "the family said the gun was kept in a corner."  Well at least they didn't keep the gun out in the middle of the room.

i bet you blame the family for leaving a shell in the chamber as well, 33.  they can't hold that kid's hand forever, he needs to learn to be responsible for his own gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 01, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Little sister deserved it for crying all rough ridin' night, every night.  Kid just wanted some sleep.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 01, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
Why are you trying to take away these parents' right to keep a loaded gun in the corner of a room where their two children under five years old are hanging out?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 01, 2013, 09:59:41 PM
Why are you trying to take away these parents' right to keep a loaded gun in the corner of a room where their two children under five years old are hanging out?

What don't you guys just stay out of people's bed living room
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 02, 2013, 12:39:54 AM
cuz little kids are shooting each other in the head :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 02, 2013, 02:33:54 PM
Bush Intercontinental Airport with an assault rifle day before NRA convention in Houston

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Shots-reportedly-fired-at-Bush-Intercontinental-Airport-205835961.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 02, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
luckily he didn't seem to be interested in killing anyone but himself
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 02, 2013, 09:26:44 PM
cuz little kids are shooting each other in the head :dunno:

One kid is tooooooo many!  But seriously, stay out of the living room.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 02, 2013, 10:50:36 PM
cuz little kids are shooting each other in the head :dunno:

One kid is tooooooo many!  But seriously, stay out of the living room.

Who is advocating to have the government in your living room? I just think it should be illegal to purchase guns for kids, and that the mother should be on trial for murder right now because she was storing a gun up against the corner and that gun was used to shoot and kill somebody.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 02, 2013, 11:15:28 PM
Leave the living room please, you aren't invited in.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 03, 2013, 07:00:34 AM
lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 03, 2013, 08:44:03 AM
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/kentucky-rifles-for-children-050213?src=soc_fcbks

Quote
If your "way of life" involves handing deadly weapons to five-year olds, your way of life is completely screwed up and you should change it immediately because it is stupid and wrong.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 03, 2013, 09:07:54 AM
cuz little kids are shooting each other in the head :dunno:

One kid is tooooooo many!  But seriously, stay out of the living room.

Who is advocating to have the government in your living room? I just think it should be illegal to purchase guns for kids, and that the mother should be on trial for murder right now because she was storing a gun up against the corner and that gun was used to shoot and kill somebody.

I'm sure they could charge her with something if they wanted to.  Reckless endangerment or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 03, 2013, 09:42:01 AM
Really great story of how a Canadian woman was able to defend herself against a grizzly bear with just a little ole 25 caliber pistol.  Inspiring story, great stuff.

http://www.republicanoperative.com/forums/f19/woman-stops-grizzly-attack-25-cal-pistol-39811/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 03, 2013, 09:46:38 AM
Really great story of how a Canadian woman was able to defend herself against a grizzly bear with just a little ole 25 caliber pistol.  Inspiring story, great stuff.

http://www.republicanoperative.com/forums/f19/woman-stops-grizzly-attack-25-cal-pistol-39811/

Survival stories are great, this one was one of the best I've ever read.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 03, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
I protect myself from Grizzly bears by not living in areas with Grizzly bears.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 03, 2013, 09:59:05 AM
I protect myself from Grizzly bears by not living in areas with Grizzly bears.

I beat the eff out of the biggest grizzly in the forest the first day I am there.  Sends a message
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 03, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
I protect myself from Grizzly bears by not living in areas with Grizzly bears.

I beat the eff out of the biggest grizzly in the forest the first day I am there.  Sends a message

I keep large amounts of meat outside my house to ensure local bears are well fed and happy.  I figure if they're well fed, they have no reason to attack me
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 03, 2013, 10:50:19 AM
This story is truly inspiring. I thought only assault rifles could kill bears.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 03, 2013, 10:55:52 AM
This story is truly inspiring. I thought only assault rifles could kill bears.

Herein is the rub...the bear wasn't killed, and she was saved!  I think this whole "gun control" (air quotes rolls eyes) debate could really use some outside the box thinking. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 03, 2013, 11:01:55 AM
This story is truly inspiring. I thought only assault rifles could kill bears.

Herein is the rub...the bear wasn't killed, and she was saved!  I think this whole "gun control" (air quotes rolls eyes) debate could really use some outside the box thinking.

This was in Canada. No gun control there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 03, 2013, 11:11:39 AM
This story is truly inspiring. I thought only assault rifles could kill bears.

Herein is the rub...the bear wasn't killed, and she was saved!  I think this whole "gun control" (air quotes rolls eyes) debate could really use some outside the box thinking.

This was in Canada. No gun control there.

There may have been a smell component to the self defense portion of the story, guys. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 03, 2013, 11:11:53 AM
This story is truly inspiring. I thought only assault rifles could kill bears.

Herein is the rub...the bear wasn't killed, and she was saved!  I think this whole "gun control" (air quotes rolls eyes) debate could really use some outside the box thinking.

This was in Canada. No gun control there.

More like no bear control, amirite!   :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 06, 2013, 09:02:37 PM
I really had a hard time deciding where to put this....

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/first-3-d-printed-gun-fired-its-digital-blueprints-make-6C9790795

Quote
With a shot heard round the Internet, the first known 3-D printed gun is a reality. But the bigger ruckus comes from the gun's digital blueprints, now available for free download by any shooters who want to build their own.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 06, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
IMO this is a non-story.  People have been building their own AR's for a long time.  You can buy 80% finished forged or billet lower receivers without a FFL.  It's just a hunk of metal in the eyes of the law.  Drill a couple holes and you can start slapping on milspec parts available from just about anywhere.  3D printers are just the next generation of CNC machines.  What people were making out of aluminum they're now making out of plastic.  Big flippin deal.

I do think though that we're going to see a bunch of very interesting applications of 3D printing as the costs come down (not just nefaroius applications, either). 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 06, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
IMO this is a non-story.  People have been building their own AR's for a long time.  You can buy 80% finished forged or billet lower receivers without a FFL.  It's just a hunk of metal in the eyes of the law.  Drill a couple holes and you can start slapping on milspec parts available from just about anywhere.  3D printers are just the next generation of CNC machines.  What people were making out of aluminum they're now making out of plastic.  Big flippin deal.

I do think though that we're going to see a bunch of very interesting applications of 3D printing as the costs come down (not just nefaroius applications, either).

can anyone translate this nerdspeak?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 06, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
IMO this is a non-story.  People have been building their own AR's for a long time.  You can buy 80% finished forged or billet lower receivers without a FFL.  It's just a hunk of metal in the eyes of the law.  Drill a couple holes and you can start slapping on milspec parts available from just about anywhere.  3D printers are just the next generation of CNC machines.  What people were making out of aluminum they're now making out of plastic.  Big flippin deal.

I do think though that we're going to see a bunch of very interesting applications of 3D printing as the costs come down (not just nefaroius applications, either).

can anyone translate this nerdspeak?

crazy folks can already buy parts to make guns
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 06, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
IMO this is a non-story.  People have been building their own AR's for a long time.  You can buy 80% finished forged or billet lower receivers without a FFL.  It's just a hunk of metal in the eyes of the law.  Drill a couple holes and you can start slapping on milspec parts available from just about anywhere.  3D printers are just the next generation of CNC machines.  What people were making out of aluminum they're now making out of plastic.  Big flippin deal.

I do think though that we're going to see a bunch of very interesting applications of 3D printing as the costs come down (not just nefaroius applications, either).

can anyone translate this nerdspeak?

crazy folks can already buy parts to make guns

Nailed it. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 07, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
didn't know where else to put this. luke-probability is medium

Vendor Pulls ‘Obama’ Target From Booth At NRA Convention

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/rocky-zombie-industries-1.jpg)

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/vendor-pulls-obama-target-from-booth-at-nra (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/vendor-pulls-obama-target-from-booth-at-nra)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 07, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
 :sdeek:

FWIW not all of us gun nuts all are nutty and crap.  JFC. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on May 08, 2013, 08:40:14 AM
:sdeek:

FWIW not all of us gun nuts all are nutty and crap.  JFC.


IDK man, steve dave seems pretty nuts.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 08, 2013, 09:16:02 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/07/us-usa-guns-study-idUSBRE94611020130507

Over the last 20 years gun related homicides are down 39%, non fatal firearms crimes are down 69%.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 08, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/07/us-usa-guns-study-idUSBRE94611020130507

Over the last 20 years gun related homicides are down 39%, non fatal firearms crimes are down 69%.

From looking that report, the majority of the decline has come from the drop in homicide deaths of black and hispanics, though they are still over-represented in terms of overall death from guns.

We had the highest annual total of suicide deaths via firearm in 2010. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 08, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
Is suicide by gun a gun problem or a mental health problem?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 08, 2013, 10:44:11 AM
Is suicide by gun a gun problem or a mental health problem?  :dunno:

Suicide isn't a problem. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 08, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Guns provide an easy/painless way to kill yourself
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 08, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
Guns provide an easy/painless way to kill yourself

I agree, both pluses, IMO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 08, 2013, 10:56:32 AM
Is suicide by gun a gun problem or a mental health problem?  :dunno:

Suicide is a public health problem. And, yes, many people who commit suicide have mental health disorders, but up to 40% of youths who kill themselves have no known mental illness according to the Nationwide Children's Hospital.

The prevailing theory is that a suicidal youth and a gun in the home are a bad mix (go figure). Many mental health professionals are now asking adolescent patients about their access to firearms in the home and elevate the risk of suicide (or other crime) if there is a gun present. There was a report out the other day that estimated 20% of suicidal kids have access to guns in the home and 15% know how to use the gun and have easy access to ammunition. Not taking into account the number of kids who have access to guns outside the home which is much higher.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 08, 2013, 11:03:06 AM
known mental health issues

I suppose teenagers aren't capable of killing themselves creatively?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 08, 2013, 11:07:06 AM
known mental health issues

I suppose teenagers aren't capable of killing themselves creatively?

I think the success rate is much higher with guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 08, 2013, 11:14:19 AM
known mental health issues

I suppose teenagers aren't capable of killing themselves creatively?

I would guess that the no known mental illness factor is a combination of mental illness going untreated for various reasons and that simply kids are impulsive, and can be severely irrational especially in times of stress. It's accepted as fact that 100% of suicides can't be accounted for on mental illness primarily, anyways, so arguing that mental illness is requisite for suicide is pointless.

It's also a fact that the mere presence of a gun increases the chances of death by suicide occurring within that household by an exponential figure.

And to your earlier point, why assume the risk of a slow death or even not dying at all from hanging yourself, overdosing, etc, if all you have to do is walk into your parent's bedroom and open the nightstand?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 08, 2013, 11:28:58 AM
If anything this is an argument to give guns to mentally unstable teenagers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2013, 07:38:50 PM

http://m.christianpost.com/news/abortion-clinic-employees-reveal-alleged-texas-house-of-horrors-in-douglas-karpens-clinic--96081/

Another tiny baby genocide abortion clinic uncovered.  How many more defensless babies have to be decapitated on their first day on earth before we close all these mini Auschwitzs down.

Sickening.  Looking for support from the overly righteous and vocal equal rights and human rights crowd here.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 16, 2013, 07:41:54 PM
FSD in full on meltdown mode :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 16, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
I'm confused, was this done in a school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2013, 08:00:50 PM
I'm confused, was this done in a school.

does not seem to involve shooting and/or guns either.  very perplexing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2013, 08:27:01 PM
I thought this was the ban it for everyone because one person misuses it thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 16, 2013, 11:14:51 PM
anyone who tries to kill themselves by any means other than morphine overdose is insane by definition.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 17, 2013, 12:30:45 AM
Glad FSD is finally showing support for low-income, minority women.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 17, 2013, 07:49:06 AM
Some interesting reactions here

Psychopath kills children in school:  OMG we've got to ban all guns

Psychopath medical professional kills children in abortion clinic: meh, just collateral damage in furtherance of a worthwhile cause

The goE left is really showing its true colors here.  Partisan, despicable, close minded and pathetic. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 17, 2013, 08:05:26 AM
I think we should have background checks for abortion doctors.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2013, 08:05:53 AM
Some interesting reactions here

Psychopath kills children in school:  OMG we've got to ban all guns

Psychopath medical professional kills children in abortion clinic: meh, just collateral damage in furtherance of a worthwhile cause

The goE left is really showing its true colors here.  Partisan, despicable, close minded and pathetic.

I'm all for the banning of killing babies.

But I'm a moderate so....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
I think we should have background checks for abortion doctors.

What if we made doctors get a license to practice? And then we can take it away from them if they kill babies and crap. Is that too radical?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2013, 08:12:35 AM
I think we should have background checks for abortion doctors.

What if we made doctors get a license to practice? And then we can take it away from them if they kill babies and crap. Is that too radical?

I think we should take them away for any felony.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2013, 08:13:10 AM
I think we should have background checks for abortion doctors.

What if we made doctors get a license to practice? And then we can take it away from them if they kill babies and crap. Is that too radical?

I think we should take them away for any felony.

Hippie.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 17, 2013, 08:45:21 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 17, 2013, 08:48:07 AM
is it the umbrella thing FSD?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2013, 08:52:57 AM
I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

Son of a.....  Damn you, steve dave. Damn you to hell!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 17, 2013, 09:06:52 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.

You know the only problem with your analogy, FSD, is that a ban on abortion actually would save the lives of millions of children. I think that's pretty much indisputable (even though a lesser number of women and children would probably continue to maimed through a proliferation of "back alley" clinics). But with banning all guns, I'm not sure we can say with any certainty whether the number of innocents slaughtered would drop significantly, if at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 17, 2013, 09:15:40 AM
And by the way, you're wasting your breath trying to convince the libtards to see reason on abortion. It doesn't matter how many Gosnell's you point them to (a new one in Houston comes to light this week), or the fact that those supposedly "safe and legal" clinics referred late term women to Gosnell and looked the other way, or the fact that the state health department and other "watchdog" agencies looked the other way for decades because, you know, you just don't touch abortion, or that there's really no moral difference between arbitrarily killing a viable baby inside of a woman's uterus as opposed to outside of it, or the fact that we've always criminalized murder as a society, or the fact that for many years we've included unborn viable babies as victims of non-abortion-related crimes... The libtards will never take off their blinders. BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M NOT LISTENING!!! :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 17, 2013, 09:21:40 AM
you can invert that just as easily.  logically, it makes more sense that gun rights and abortion rights advocates would be the same people.  and that gun control and pro life people would be the same.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 17, 2013, 09:27:37 AM
you can invert that just as easily.  logically, it makes more sense that gun rights and abortion rights advocates would be the same people.  and that gun control and pro life people would be the same.

You're smarter than this, sys, you really are. Logically, owning a gun does not mean killing someone. Having an abortion does. And, as I just explained, while banning all abortion would definitely save millions of lives, the number of innocent lives saved by banning all guns is far more uncertain.

This is similar to the logical fallacy of "how can you be pro-life and pro-death penalty"? As if there is no difference between an innocent unborn child and a convicted murderer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2013, 09:32:37 AM
Who is proposing banning all guns, K-S-U-Wildcats!?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 17, 2013, 09:35:17 AM
Babies aren't people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 17, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
Who is proposing banning all guns, K-S-U-Wildcats!?

Oh, I'm sure plenty of people would like to ban all guns, just like plenty of people would like to ban all abortion. I think reasonable people can meet somewhere in between. I was simply remarking that FSD's analogy is a good one.

Also, you can use Google to answer these sorts of questions: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=12&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=ScoBuw4mYQ4iK3c3XJDJSw&cp=6&gs_id=m&xhr=t&q=ban+all+guns&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=ban+al&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46471029,d.eWU&fp=6522597673a04674&biw=1600&bih=809 (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=12&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=ScoBuw4mYQ4iK3c3XJDJSw&cp=6&gs_id=m&xhr=t&q=ban+all+guns&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=ban+al&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46471029,d.eWU&fp=6522597673a04674&biw=1600&bih=809)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 17, 2013, 09:59:07 AM
Logically, owning a gun does not mean killing someone. Having an abortion does. And, as I just explained, while banning all abortion would definitely save millions of lives, the number of innocent lives saved by banning all guns is far more uncertain.

the same principals are at play.  an individual's right to choose their own behavior be it to own a gun or have an abortion performed vs the primacy of human life over the exercise of otherwise legitimate freedoms.

you are right that abortion is different than widespread gun ownership in that it involves not an elevated risk of human death, but the certainty of deaths, and there is certainly nothing inconsistent with opposing both gun restriction and abortion.  as there is nothing inconsistent with supporting both gun restriction and abortion (because a person's thoughts on whether a human fetus is a human modify their thoughts on the importance of its death).

i just point out that the logical affinities of each position are not aligned with how those positions have been shuffled out to our current large political parties.  it's interesting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 17, 2013, 10:06:00 AM
i never figured out why anti-welfare people are also anti-abortion.  kind of a conflict of interest.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on May 17, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
i never figured out why anti-welfare people are also anti-abortion.  kind of a conflict of interest.

not to mention anti-contraception
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 17, 2013, 10:06:44 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 17, 2013, 10:29:10 AM
i never figured out why anti-welfare people are also anti-abortion.  kind of a conflict of interest.

not to mention anti-contraception
Just don't have sex, you sinning horndogs
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 17, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 17, 2013, 11:11:56 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 11:13:42 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

Step 1:  enforce the laws we already have on the books.  Something like 70% of states don't report their felony convictions/retraining orders to the federal database, despite being dangled money in front of them to become compliant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 17, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

Step 1:  enforce the laws we already have on the books.  Something like 70% of states don't report their felony convictions/retraining orders to the federal database, despite being dangled money in front of them to become compliant.

OK
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 17, 2013, 11:16:59 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

Step 1:  enforce the laws we already have on the books.  Something like 70% of states don't report their felony convictions/retraining orders to the federal database, despite being dangled money in front of them to become compliant.

Enforce the "don't kill babies after they are born" law seems to need enforcing as well.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 17, 2013, 11:23:17 AM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2013, 11:26:53 AM
Guy in the office is staunchly anti-any further gut laws. 

Although he is all for background checks. 

Doesn't like registry though because it creates a list of who has guns.

Got really pissed when I told him that the list of ppl that got background'ed would be the same list.

Boom! logic ruined another day.

Also, he is still very concerned about having to over throw our govt one day(that day being the one they demand his gun) and told me that it could happen and that basically the same thing happened in Egypt. 

Pretty hardcore doubledown if you ask me.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 17, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GCJayhawker on May 17, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.

There it is finally, we have a winner.  The old criminals won't follow the gun control laws so why have them. By that logic why do we have any laws at all if the criminals are just going to break them and all we are doing is punishing law abiding citizens
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.

There it is finally, we have a winner.  The old criminals won't follow the gun control laws so why have them. By that logic why do we have any laws at all if the criminals are just going to break them and all we are doing is punishing law abiding citizens

We have laws so that we can punish the people that break them, dumbass.  If everything was legal there'd be no justification for putting in jail someone that did wrong. 
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GCJayhawker on May 17, 2013, 02:42:37 PM
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.

There it is finally, we have a winner.  The old criminals won't follow the gun control laws so why have them. By that logic why do we have any laws at all if the criminals are just going to break them and all we are doing is punishing law abiding citizens

We have laws so that we can punish the people that break them, dumbass.  If everything was legal there'd be no justification for putting in jail someone that did wrong.

Thank you Emo, I know that is the purpose of laws.  You obviously didn't understand that I was being facetious.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
I did understand but what's the point of being facetious while failing to make a point? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GCJayhawker on May 17, 2013, 02:57:06 PM
I did understand but what's the point of being facetious while failing to make a point?

Valid. The point is that many argue we shouldn't have gun control laws because criminals won't follow said laws and will get guns anyway, which is flawed logic and a flawed talking point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
Well I think their point is that gun control laws are unnecessary/redundant because it's already illegal to kill or assault someone, gun or no gun. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GCJayhawker on May 17, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Well K-S-U has talked about abortion laws and the doctors who perform late term abortions leading to there needing to be a change in abortion law. So the hypocrisy between his two positions fascinates me, since late term abortions are already illegal.  It really is more of an enforcement issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 03:24:47 PM
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

I think I'm starting to understand that to get one iota of change out of the opposition you have to be all crazy and extreme and hope for a compromise.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

I think I'm starting to understand that to get one iota of change out of the opposition you have to be all crazy and extreme and hope for a compromise.

Yes but then other people start getting crazy and extreme and no compromise happens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 17, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
yeah, if there's one thing the far right has done to help its cause the last five years it's get crazy and extreme
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 03:37:48 PM
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 17, 2013, 03:39:32 PM
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
If there is one thing the market likes, it seems to be crazy and extreme.....and deadlock.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 17, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.

How much of the president's cabinet is elected?  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 17, 2013, 04:06:16 PM
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.

How much of the president's cabinet is elected?  :sdeek:

muslim brotherhood, run!!   :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2013, 04:21:06 PM
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.

How much of the president's cabinet is elected?  :sdeek:

In the past, cabinet confirmations have been pretty easy in most cases.  There was an unwritten rule that if you get the presidency, you should have the right to choose your advisors.  I think the president having to do recess appointments is due to the opposite party you think it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 17, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
I don't think the elected right at a national level is all that extreme overall. They are kind of hard-headed assholes, but I don't think all that many are extreme. Yeah you'll have SD's bro from Kansas and a few other whackos but for the most part the gap between left and right ideology in Washington is very, very small.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2013, 04:39:38 PM
I don't think the elected right at a national level is all that extreme overall. They are kind of hard-headed assholes, but I don't think all that many are extreme. Yeah you'll have SD's bro from Kansas and a few other whackos but for the most part the gap between left and right ideology in Washington is very, very small.

This is more true in the Senate than the House. The House is where the crazies start to come out on both sides.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 17, 2013, 06:30:11 PM
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

i find it fascinating that people (the same persons) can affirm both the ideas that abortion is wrong and that it should be legal to abort fetuses (why isn't the plural feti?) resulting from rape.

life begins at conception, but the sins of the father are visited upon sons until the second trimester?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 18, 2013, 12:07:15 AM
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

i find it fascinating that people (the same persons) can affirm both the ideas that abortion is wrong and that it should be legal to abort fetuses (why isn't the plural feti?) resulting from rape.

life begins at conception, but the sins of the father are visited upon sons until the second trimester?

Well, this is getting a little off topic, but you're correct, from a moral standpoint, a child of rape is certainly no more deserving of death by dismemberment than a child of consensual sex. While morally inconsistent, most people who adopt the "rape exception" are simply trying to be pragmatic, and reach a compromise that would at least eliminate the vast majority of abortions. For example, while life does begin at conception, that's as close to a fact as you can get, I believe that killing a viable baby at 30 weeks is much more horrifying than killing a zygote or fetus in the first 12 weeks. From a pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to eliminate all but very early abortions, though there is little moral difference. Others would disagree.

And back to the gun issue, my point isn't that we shouldn't have tighter gun control measures because criminals will break them anyway - my point is that not only will the laws be ineffective, they'll impose yet more pain in the ass red tape for law abiding citizens. If the only downside of tighter regulations is that they were unlikely to be effective, you might as well pass the laws, but that's not the only downside here, and that's where I have the problem.

I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 18, 2013, 12:28:22 AM
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

and just about any other crime that involved a gun purchased on the unregulated secondary market.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 18, 2013, 08:14:45 AM
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

That's a good example. Thanks. So I guess my next question is, couldn't these guys have just used their friends / girlfriends to pass the background checks for them (I think this is called a strawman purchaser)? How do we fix that? And what about the lunatics that passed the checks anyway? How do you propose to strengthen those checks so they would actually work? I mean, let's face it, this guy passed a background check (looking pretty much like this, if I have it right):
(http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2012/07/james-holmes-court-pictures.jpg)

Another crazy thing I learned about Columbine is this:

Quote
Harris's site attracted few visitors, and caused no concern until late 1997. Klebold gave the web address to Brooks Brown, a former friend of Harris. Brown's mother had filed numerous complaints with the Jefferson County Sheriff's office concerning Harris, as she thought he was dangerous. The website contained numerous death threats directed against Brown: Klebold knew that if Brooks accessed the address, he would discover the content and inform his parents, and likely the authorities would be notified. After Brown's parents viewed the site, they contacted the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. The investigator Michael Guerra was told about the website. When he accessed it, Guerra discovered numerous violent threats directed against the students and teachers of Columbine High School. Other material included blurbs which Harris had written about his general hatred of society, and his desire to kill those who annoyed him. Harris had noted on his site that he had made pipe bombs. In addition, he mentioned a gun count and compiled a hit list of individuals (he did not post any plan on how he intended to attack targets). As Harris had posted on his website that he possessed explosives, Guerra wrote a draft affidavit, requesting a search warrant of the Harris household. He never filed it.

Damn.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 18, 2013, 09:11:10 AM
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

That's a good example. Thanks. So I guess my next question is, couldn't these guys have just used their friends / girlfriends to pass the background checks for them (I think this is called a strawman purchaser)?

Make it illegal to sell/give guns without registering even on the secondary market, and prosecute people that fail to do so, especially when the guns used show up in crimes. This is what I was talking about earlier. The people that purchased the guns for the columbine killers did NOTHING illegal under laws as they were written. A lot fewer guns would fall into the wrong hands if people had to register secondhand sales.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 18, 2013, 10:08:45 AM
What we've learned in the past day from this thread:

The leftist preferred form of government is a genocidal police state.  Just like the Nazis.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 18, 2013, 08:51:45 PM
Well, this is getting a little off topic, but you're correct, from a moral standpoint, a child of rape is certainly no more deserving of death by dismemberment than a child of consensual sex. While morally inconsistent, most people who adopt the "rape exception" are simply trying to be pragmatic, and reach a compromise that would at least eliminate the vast majority of abortions. For example, while life does begin at conception, that's as close to a fact as you can get, I believe that killing a viable baby at 30 weeks is much more horrifying than killing a zygote or fetus in the first 12 weeks. From a pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to eliminate all but very early abortions, though there is little moral difference. Others would disagree.

that's almost exactly like my own view.  i think abortion is clearly the taking of a human life, and hence morally wrong.  but from a pragmatic standpoint, it's preferable to having another human be born.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 18, 2013, 09:17:38 PM
What we've learned in the past day from this thread:

The neocon preferred form of government is a white christian only state.  Just like the Nazis.
Title: Re: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 19, 2013, 02:11:23 AM
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

That's a good example. Thanks. So I guess my next question is, couldn't these guys have just used their friends / girlfriends to pass the background checks for them (I think this is called a strawman purchaser)?

I don't think they had any friends/girlfriends.
Title: Guns
Post by: Ron Princes Goatee on May 28, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
Should everyone have them? Should no one have them? Should only certain people have them?
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 28, 2013, 09:31:16 PM
Dumbasses (90% of people who actually own guns), should not own a gun
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 28, 2013, 09:35:56 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25202.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25202.0)
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: Institutional Control on May 28, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Having a gun sure paid off for this guy.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/Fort-Worth-police-investigate-officer-involved-shooting-209134271.html
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: EMAWmeister on May 28, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
Luke Prince's Goatee
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2013, 10:20:03 PM
this is a great topic
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: sys on May 28, 2013, 10:33:51 PM
Should everyone have them? Should no one have them? Should only certain people have them?

Quote
two sons of eli, the high priest, made the sacrificial meat to be cooked in one manner rather than another.  they were met with death

Quote
put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.

Title: Re: Guns
Post by: ben ji on May 28, 2013, 10:39:29 PM
I like to shoot guns, makes me feel like a man.
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 28, 2013, 11:20:44 PM
I don't own a gun, but I really should,
Title: Re: Guns
Post by: 8manpick on May 28, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Own 'em, love 'em.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2013, 07:13:58 AM
I think the military and some police should definitely have them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
Not at school, just another kid blasting himself on the face because of stupid grownups that don't deserve the right to own a gun:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/31/trenton_mathis_accidental_shooting_another_day_another_accidental_child.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 01, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
Not at school, just another kid blasting himself on the face because of stupid grownups that don't deserve the right to own a gun:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/31/trenton_mathis_accidental_shooting_another_day_another_accidental_child.html

Was he charged with anything? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2013, 12:31:47 PM
Not yet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 07, 2013, 10:05:23 AM
Texas has it right (big surprise).

http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 07, 2013, 03:34:15 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/us/california-college-gunman/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/us/california-college-gunman/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

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At least three people were wounded and a suspect reportedly was in custody Friday after a shooting at Santa Monica College in Southern California, according to officials and media reports.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on July 18, 2013, 09:03:42 AM
I was watching Tombstone (overrated movie if you ask me) and I realized that Wyatt Earp may have been one of the biggest enemies of the constitution in American history.  The entire OK Corral incident was a result of him trying to strip Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on July 18, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I was watching Tombstone (overrated movie if you ask me) and I realized that Wyatt Earp may have been one of the biggest enemies of the constitution in American history.  The entire OK Corral incident was a result of him trying to strip Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights.
.

underrated BY you
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on September 16, 2013, 09:08:40 AM
10 shot at Naval Yard in DC.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 16, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
10 shot at Naval Yard in DC.

Up to 14. 12 dead. Ugh.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstatefreak42 on September 16, 2013, 02:56:50 PM
Gun Free Zone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
Gun Free Zone.

with armed security.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2013, 06:26:39 PM
Had a CC permit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on September 16, 2013, 06:55:12 PM
Had prior incidences with law enforcement and guns - yet still able to obtain assault weapon
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2013, 06:58:04 PM
Had prior incidences with law enforcement and guns - yet still able to obtain assault weapon
.

2nd amendment tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 16, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
Time to make murder illegal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2013, 09:01:29 PM
I am sure the CC was exactly why the guy went on this rampage   :jerk: :rolleyes: :jerk: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 16, 2013, 09:49:49 PM
I am sure the CC was exactly why the guy went on this rampage   :jerk: :rolleyes: :jerk: :rolleyes:

Wait, did he use his CC to get an assault weapon into the premises, or is the CC point a complete red herring?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
Big props to the Man, this time they got their patsy a CC

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on September 16, 2013, 10:10:09 PM
Big props to the Man, this time they got their patsy a CC

:dubious: NSIS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 16, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
Even the tucks are up in arms.

Quote
Mike Tufano ?@RealMikeT 2h
Guns don't kill people. People kill people because they have easy access to weapons that can efficiently kill large numbers of people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2013, 11:03:26 PM
 If only GZ were in the Navy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2013, 07:44:50 AM
The guy had serious mental issues.   But apparently not so serious that our gov't and his employer couldn't give him a secret security clearance.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 17, 2013, 08:14:37 AM
good job CNN. AR-15 Shotgun?  lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUViDMqCcAAZwm7.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on September 17, 2013, 08:34:14 AM
good job CNN. AR-15 Shotgun?  lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUViDMqCcAAZwm7.jpg:large)

They really do make those IRL.

I have a Siaga 12ga.  It looks like an AK-47.  They are great for scaring black birds out of my milo patches.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2013, 09:45:09 AM
Reportedly a devout Buddhist-Reportedly carried a .45 all the time

Allegedly Heard Demons in his head-Given Secret Gov't Clearance

Allegedly though he'd been "screwed over" on a job-Allegedly played violent video games up to 16 hours a day


The Man did an excellent job of psychological conditioning and positioning on this one.   Let the executive orders commence!!








Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2013, 09:51:19 AM
Reportedly a devout Buddhist-Reportedly carried a .45 all the time

Allegedly Heard Demons in his head-Given Secret Gov't Clearance

Allegedly though he'd been "screwed over" on a job-Allegedly played violent video games up to 16 hours a day


The Man did an excellent job of psychological conditioning and positioning on this one.   Let the executive orders commence!!

Another brainwashed false flag operative.  How many do you guys think you know IRL?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
Reportedly a devout Buddhist-Reportedly carried a .45 all the time

Allegedly Heard Demons in his head-Given Secret Gov't Clearance

Allegedly though he'd been "screwed over" on a job-Allegedly played violent video games up to 16 hours a day


The Man did an excellent job of psychological conditioning and positioning on this one.   Let the executive orders commence!!

Another brainwashed false flag operative.  How many do you guys think you know IRL?

You never know, there's an ATF office one floor above me, I'll go ask those guys.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on September 17, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
People who want to ban guns are so weird. Outside of gang violence very few people are killed by guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 17, 2013, 10:16:15 AM
Reportedly a devout Buddhist-Reportedly carried a .45 all the time

Allegedly Heard Demons in his head-Given Secret Gov't Clearance

Allegedly though he'd been "screwed over" on a job-Allegedly played violent video games up to 16 hours a day


The Man did an excellent job of psychological conditioning and positioning on this one.   Let the executive orders commence!!

Another brainwashed false flag operative.  How many do you guys think you know IRL?

You never know, there's an ATF office one floor above me, I'll go ask those guys.

Dax, don't do it. 

We have no idea where the next Manchurian Candidate is. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on September 17, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
People who want to ban guns are so weird. Outside of gang violence very few people are killed by guns.

Is 1990 cool? If I give you some money could you place a bet on a few games for me?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
People who want to ban guns are so weird. Outside of gang violence very few people are killed by guns.

Also, people that want to murder everyone they meet are so wrong.  I wish some of you could see that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on September 17, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
People who want to ban guns are so weird. Outside of gang violence very few people are killed by guns.

Is 1990 cool? If I give you some money could you place a bet on a few games for me?

So in your view people are dying left and right from guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on September 17, 2013, 11:00:33 AM
People who want to ban guns are so weird. Outside of gang violence very few people are killed by guns.

Is 1990 cool? If I give you some money could you place a bet on a few games for me?

So in your view people are dying left and right from guns?

Just gang bangers but as we all know, gang member < regular human so no biggie.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on September 17, 2013, 11:05:28 AM
a black man with guns really fucks with the NRA's tiny brain.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 17, 2013, 11:06:53 AM
a black man with guns really fucks with the NRA's tiny brain.

yeah, him and Zim. 

Lot of soul searching and mission testing going on at the NRA this last yr or so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
a black man with guns really fucks with the NRA's tiny brain.

Throw in him having a concealed carry and they just start screaming at a wall.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2013, 11:10:23 AM
It would appear that an African American with a gun really, really freaks out the anti-gunners.

Biggest call for banning all guns to date.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2013, 11:13:06 AM
It would appear that an African American with a gun really, really freaks out the anti-gunners.

Biggest call for banning all guns to date.

I find it quite refreshing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 17, 2013, 11:13:52 AM
Stated ITT last time a crazy did something crazy with a gun, but I heard a stat last time that said over 2/3rds of all gun deaths are suicide. 

The NRA is really a front for the Pro-Kevorkians, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on September 17, 2013, 11:15:38 AM
Stated ITT last time a crazy did something crazy with a gun, but I heard a stat last time that said over 2/3rds of all gun deaths are suicide. 

The NRA is really a front for the Pro-Kevorkians, right?

Yeah but who or whom is putting the pressure on these people to commit suicide? What did they know? Too much apparently cause the NRA/Obamabots want them dead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: felix rex on September 17, 2013, 11:20:02 AM
It would appear that an African American with a gun really, really freaks out the anti-gunners.

Biggest call for banning all guns to date.

I find it quite refreshing.

Progressive, really.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OregonSmock on September 17, 2013, 11:28:52 AM
If everyone just carried a loaded gun around everywhere they went, the world would be a better place.  Amirite?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2013, 11:30:47 AM
If everyone just carried a loaded gun around everywhere they went, the world would be a better place.  Amirite?

or at least those who have been checked out and given a cc permit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2013, 11:31:48 AM
You really have to appreciate and admire the timing The Man had on this one.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OregonSmock on September 17, 2013, 11:33:51 AM
If everyone just carried a loaded gun around everywhere they went, the world would be a better place.  Amirite?

or at least those who have been checked out and given a cc permit.


Sounds like some sort of Socialist regulatory nonsense. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
You really have to appreciate and admire the timing The Man had on this one.

dax, is it possible that a multibillion dollar defense company didnt like the way negotiations were going trying to sell their next defense tech and mkultra'd this dude to clear the slate for them?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
You really have to appreciate and admire the timing The Man had on this one.

dax, is it possible that a multibillion dollar defense company didnt like the way negotiations were going trying to sell their next defense tech and mkultra'd this dude to clear the slate for them?

The Agenda is a large tree with many branches
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on September 17, 2013, 01:34:49 PM
Dax, who is "The Man"  in this instance?

I fully expect you to answer in more vague daxisms instead of a thoughtful answer, but what the hell right?!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: RickRampus on September 19, 2013, 08:20:12 PM
I don't post on this board. Buuut, this popped up on my Twitter and I thought this would be a good place to dump this.
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=5086
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 20, 2013, 02:34:15 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/20/kansas-professor-placed-on-leave-after-tweet-about-navy-yard-killings/?intcmp=latestnews
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 20, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
The minute I read this headline (http://m.kansascity.com/kcstar/db_41535/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=xW4h04bA), I thought "I bet it's a journalism professor." I was right.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 20, 2013, 02:37:17 PM
He is very good looking for a journalism professor.

(http://img.vrvm.com/media/render.htm?m=701985009&width=320)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on September 20, 2013, 04:59:33 PM
I don't post on this board. Buuut, this popped up on my Twitter and I thought this would be a good place to dump this.
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=5086

LukeRampus
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 20, 2013, 06:53:30 PM
Typical PC knee-jerk reaction to suspend him. If you suspend every idiot professor for making stupid comments, who will be left to teach?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 20, 2013, 08:41:25 PM
Just another crackpot liberal professor training the next wave of neutral mainstream journalists.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2013, 12:41:51 AM
Dax, who is "The Man"  in this instance?

I fully expect you to answer in more vague daxisms instead of a thoughtful answer, but what the hell right?!

 :impatient:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 21, 2013, 01:49:24 PM
Developing...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/justice/nevada-middle-school-shooting/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 21, 2013, 01:51:13 PM
this thread gets bumped too often :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 23, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

And another one.

Quote
Boy held in teacher's death that closed schools in Danvers, Massachusetts
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 23, 2013, 10:35:08 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

And another one.

Quote
Boy held in teacher's death that closed schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

Where does it say he shot her?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 23, 2013, 10:40:38 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

And another one.

Quote
Boy held in teacher's death that closed schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

Where does it say he shot her?

It doesn't.  Is this astray from the thread intent? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2013, 10:44:38 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

And another one.

Quote
Boy held in teacher's death that closed schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

Where does it say he shot her?

It doesn't have to. He did.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 23, 2013, 10:47:05 AM
Says cause of death is unknown?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 23, 2013, 10:50:02 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

And another one.

Quote
Boy held in teacher's death that closed schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

Where does it say he shot her?

It doesn't have to. He did.

If he had used a gun it would have been in the headline. Probably stabbed. The media wants people to assume a gun was used to further an agenda.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 23, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
Highland Park in Topeka was locked down this morning because of some shooting in the area.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

And another one.

Quote
Boy held in teacher's death that closed schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

Where does it say he shot her?

It doesn't have to. He did.

If he had used a gun it would have been in the headline. Probably stabbed. The media wants people to assume a gun was used to further an agenda.

It is almost Halloween, but why on earth would anybody choose to stab somebody to death in 2013? Using a gun would be a whole lot easier.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2013, 11:02:30 AM
All right. She almost certainly was not shot. I thought she was killed in her apartment. Turns out she was killed at school by Steve Urkel. Weird story.

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/10/colleen-ritzer-danvers-teacher-murder/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 23, 2013, 11:08:21 AM
All right. She almost certainly was not shot. I thought she was killed in her apartment. Turns out she was killed at school by Steve Urkel. Weird story.

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/10/colleen-ritzer-danvers-teacher-murder/

He probably tripped and unknowingly disconnected the hose from a bunson burner.  In trying to regain his balance his watch hit a metal droor handle and caused a spark, igniting the gas cloud and setting her on fire.  He stomped her out and in the process killed her.  Then exclaimed "DID I DO THAT?"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 23, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
 :Woohoo: LET'S CELEBRATE GUNS NOT KILLING SOMEONE AT SCHOOL FOR ONCE :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2013, 11:13:04 AM
Premeditated murder of a single person in a bathroom is much better than shooting up an entire classroom. Progress.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 23, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
:Woohoo: LET'S CELEBRATE GUNS NOT KILLING SOMEONE AT SCHOOL FOR ONCE :Woohoo:

Party time  :billdance:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 09:54:41 AM
Box Cutters:  9-11 Hijacker weapon of choice that lead to the death of thousands.

Now used in individual per-meditated murder school teachers.

Time to ban or severely limit the sale of box cutters.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 24, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Box Cutters:  9-11 Hijacker weapon of choice that lead to the death of thousands.

Now used in individual per-meditated murder school teachers.

Time to ban or severely limit the sale of box cutters.

 :zzz:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 24, 2013, 10:07:21 AM
Box Cutters:  9-11 Hijacker weapon of choice that lead to the death of thousands.

Now used in individual per-meditated murder school teachers.

Time to ban or severely limit the sale of box cutters.

 :zzz:

Definitely not dax's best work. He went K-S-U-Wildcats! on us.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 10:26:27 AM
Sorry guys, the National Coalition Against Box Cutters (501c) has approved my message.

Don't fight the future . . . without box cutters.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 24, 2013, 10:32:18 AM
Sorry guys, the National Coalition Against Box Cutters (501c) has approved my message.

Don't fight the future . . . without box cutters.

dax did you know that this year kansas passed leglisation (HB 2033) to restore the constitutional 2nd amendment rights to kansans who wish to possess or carry dirks, daggers, stilettos, switchblades, and throwing stars?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 10:36:20 AM
Sorry guys, the National Coalition Against Box Cutters (501c) has approved my message.

Don't fight the future . . . without box cutters.

dax did you know that this year kansas passed leglisation (HB 2033) to restore the constitutional 2nd amendment rights to kansans who wish to possess or carry dirks, daggers, stilettos, switchblades, and throwing stars?

No, and I really don't care.  I am talking about the need to ban box cutters, box cutters have been responsible for the death of thousands in the the last 13 years, and they need to be banned outright or require an extremely high level of screening in order to own.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 10:38:30 AM
I bet it's not thousands.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 24, 2013, 10:39:31 AM
I bet it's not thousands.

hes talking about 9/11 and the War on Terrortm
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 10:40:32 AM
Well then I'm right.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 10:41:28 AM
Was just reminded again that the Boston Bombers used pressure cookers and yet you can go into any store that sales cookware and buy all the pressure cookers you want and you don't even have to show an ID.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 10:43:30 AM
Interesting.  Do pressure cookers have a normal use that doesn't involve killing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 10:44:58 AM
Interesting.  Do pressure cookers have a normal use that doesn't involve killing?

So all guns are used for killing?  Interesting.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
Well it would be a pretty useless gun if it couldn't kill, I mean that's the whole purpose of a gun. To kill.

Like the whole whole purpose of a pressure cooker is to cook. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2013, 10:48:53 AM
Interesting.  Do pressure cookers have a normal use that doesn't involve killing?

So all guns are used for killing?  Interesting.

This is a pretty good point dax has. Guns are useful in all walks of life. Why, just the other day, I was planning on putting a large bolt into the wall and I figured "why should I go buy a new drill bit when I have a perfectly good pistol?" So I just shot a hole right through the wall so I wouldn't have to drill a pilot hole. The cops showed up about half an hour later and I told them that I do have a gun and they would get a chance to look at it up close if they tried to enter my house without a warrant. I know my rights and I will protect them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
Many guns are made to shoot targets of various sorts, not intended for killing anything besides paper, or clay or a bottle etc. etc. 

But I think we all take a look at the last decade or so, and see the havoc that box cutters have reaped upon our nation, you'll agree that box cutters need to be, at minimum, severely restricted.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 11:06:45 AM
I am all for the boxcutter ban.  I mean, if you can't get through cardboard without the help of a blade, well, that's just not an America I want to live in.

#Pussification

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
A gun seems like much faster way to get a box open than a box cutter, anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 11:47:08 AM
Dax, would you buy a gun not capable of killing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 24, 2013, 11:47:47 AM
Obama is world's largest dealer of utility knives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2013, 11:48:01 AM
Dax, would you buy a gun not capable of killing?

Would you buy a box cutter not capable of killing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 24, 2013, 11:48:28 AM
Dax, would you buy a gun not capable of killing?

Dax probably plays paintgun with his bros every weekend.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 11:49:27 AM
Never played paint gun.   Why I buy a gun incapable of killing?   :dunno:

Weird question.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Sometimes I like to use my gun to maim, not kill. Then I let the box cutter do the killing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2013, 11:55:56 AM
Sometimes I like to use my gun to maim, not kill. Then I let the box cutter do the killing.

Based on the last 10 plus years, you can pretty much create World Wars with only a box cutter.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 11:56:09 AM
Box knives should be like the saws that cut off casts.  They don't cut skin, only casts.  Box cutters should only cut tape or cardboard.  The refusal of Big Boxcutter to make these changes are irresponsible at best.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
Box knives should be like the saws that cut off casts.  They don't cut skin, only casts.  Box cutters should only cut tape or cardboard.  The refusal of Big Boxcutter to make these changes are irresponsible at best.

I've never had a cast. How do these saws work?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 12:04:29 PM
Sometimes I like to use my gun to maim, not kill. Then I let the box cutter do the killing.

Based on the last 10 plus years, you can pretty much create World Wars with only a box cutter.

Rumblings that United Nations Organization for Disarmament Affairs is releasing a statement on how they plan to move forward in negotiations of world wide boxcutter disarmament. 

Something needs to be done before Iran gets their Boxcutter up and running.  The Middle East is crazy enough without someone opening a new box of Boxcutters in that region. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
Box knives should be like the saws that cut off casts.  They don't cut skin, only casts.  Box cutters should only cut tape or cardboard.  The refusal of Big Boxcutter to make these changes are irresponsible at best.

I've never had a cast. How do these saws work?

No clue, but when my daughter had her cast removed a few yrs ago, the doc took the saw, turned it on, and pushed the blade pretty hard into his palm and nothing happened.  Either David Blane volunteers at Children's Mercy or there is something to this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
Is it one of those vibration saws?  Or did the blade actually spin?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 12:29:25 PM
Dax, would you buy a gun not capable of killing?

Would you buy a box cutter not capable of killing?

Yes, in fact that's preferable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 12:31:57 PM
Is it one of those vibration saws?  Or did the blade actually spin?

I guess?  Seems like any movement out of a blade would cut him palm though, right?  Maybe it was David Blaine?  Is that even how you spell Blaine? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2013, 12:41:02 PM
Do you even science?

Good thing Big Saw isn't as powerful as Big Boxcutter, or your daughter would be maimed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 12:43:11 PM
Do you even science?

Good thing Big Saw isn't as powerful as Big Boxcutter, or your daughter would be maimed.

Normally, yes, but I guess not in this case. 

Anyway, agreed that we are all lucky that Big Saw doesn't have the same interest in keeping weapons in the hands of the many as Big Boxcutter. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 24, 2013, 01:40:52 PM
In non box cutter news.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/24/21119400-tennessee-naval-base-in-lockdown-after-shooting?lite
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 24, 2013, 02:50:23 PM
nothing to see here, drunken army guys fighting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 24, 2013, 03:00:29 PM
FWIW, bullets designed to expand and therefore kill more effectively were outlawed by the Geneva convention.  Military bullets must not expand, and as such are designed to maim, although they do kill their share. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2013, 03:13:15 PM
FWIW, bullets designed to expand and therefore kill more effectively were outlawed by the Geneva convention.  Military bullets must not expand, and as such are designed to maim, although they do kill their share.

Isn't this exactly what a hollow point bullet is?  If so, we can have them as private citizens but not our military?  seems pretty rword.org(thanks whoevs laid that term out there this week).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on October 24, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
if boxcutters come in boxes, how did they open the very first boxcutter box?    :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 24, 2013, 03:18:04 PM
if boxcutters come in boxes, how did they open the very first boxcutter box?    :horrorsurprise:

With a gun!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 24, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
FWIW, bullets designed to expand and therefore kill more effectively were outlawed by the Geneva convention.  Military bullets must not expand, and as such are designed to maim, although they do kill their share.

Isn't this exactly what a hollow point bullet is?  If so, we can have them as private citizens but not our military?  seems pretty rword.org(thanks whoevs laid that term out there this week).

Pretty much, although there are target (match grade) hollow points that still don't expand.  We now allow them for use in sniper rifles because of their accuracy.

Keep in mind the military isn't there to kill but to execute/enforce a policy.  And at least in conventional wars a wounded enemy was a bigger resource drain than a dead enemy.  So a bigger military win.  Citizens can use guns for lots of purposes, and I would bet that 99% of bullets and shotgun shells fired in this country are at paper or other targets.  The balance being game, and a very very small amount at other humans.  And of course you only want the expansion for the latter two. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 28, 2013, 04:31:49 PM
What in the world.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/24/s-california-elementary-school-student-pulls-trigger-on-police-rifle-3-kids/?intcmp=obnetwork   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 28, 2013, 04:37:53 PM
That is negligence on the part of the police officer. It also is a pretty good demonstration of why arming teachers is not a very good idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on October 28, 2013, 05:01:38 PM
Unreal that they don't unload these things prior to bringing them to the school.  If you run into a crime on your way to the school, maybe you'll just have to sit that one out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 29, 2013, 09:03:32 PM
About 40 pages ago or so i think it was FSD who was making an argument similar to dax's. 

The discussion ended with all parties (except FSD) agreeing that the point Dax is making is really, really stupid. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 31, 2013, 09:27:02 AM
Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 31, 2013, 10:02:14 AM
Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html
what does it have to do with school shootings?  :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 31, 2013, 10:18:21 AM
Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html
what does it have to do with school shootings?  :confused:

would have never happened if the murderer had been killed in a school shooting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 31, 2013, 10:32:21 AM
Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html
what does it have to do with school shootings?  :confused:

would have never happened if the murderer had been killed in a school shooting

He would have killed them all deader with a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 31, 2013, 12:17:21 PM
"Knives -- The Silent Killer"   :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 31, 2013, 02:37:15 PM
Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

Brought a knife to a gun fight.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 31, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
About 40 pages ago or so i think it was FSD who was making an argument similar to dax's. 

The discussion ended with all parties (except FSD) agreeing that the point Dax is making is really, really stupid.

i didn't go back to look, but i find it hard to believe that i agreed that it was a stupid point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 31, 2013, 05:37:14 PM
pretty good listen.


http://freakonomics.com/2013/02/14/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on November 01, 2013, 02:29:36 AM
yeah so in the time that those stabbings happened

Quote
Man, 19, shot dead in Brooklyn, NY http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Shooting-Flatbush-Halloween-230158391.html …
Devin Skelton, 28, shot dead in Columbus, OH http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/10/26/columbus-second-vicitim-dies-july-shooting.html …
Man, 23, shot dead in Walker County, GA http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/oct/31/walker-county-officials-investigate-fatal-shooting/ …
Shawn Rhodes, 46, shot dead in Brooklyn, NY http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/East-New-York-Shooting-Death-Halloween-230159961.html …
Man shot dead in Milwaukee, WI http://www.cbs58.com/morning-news/stories/Fatal-shooting-at-Sherman-and-Lisbon-230021391.html …
Nathan Wintrow, 20, shot dead in Troy, OH http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/troy-police-investigating-shooting/nbdBR/ …
Man shot dead in Bronx, NY http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Shooting-Bronx-Officer-Involved-230157251.html …
Quentin Green, 36, shot dead in Sumter, SC http://www.wltx.com/news/article/254660/2/Police-Name-Calling-Leads-to-Fatal-Shooting- …
Charles M. Hooper, 61, shot dead in Zanesville, OH http://www.whiznews.com/content/news/local/2013/10/31/two-suspects-in-custody-after-fatal-shooting …
Man shot dead in Taylor County, GA http://www.41nbc.com/news/local-news/29042-gbi-investigating-deputy-involved-fatal-shooting-in-taylor-county …
Person shot dead in Beauford, NC http://www.wnct.com/story/23847532/fatal-shooting-in-carteret-
Terence Farmer, 57, shot dead in Gary, IN http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/gary/gary-police-seeking-witnesses-to-fatal-shooting-of-man/article_0d1a602b-619c-5f82-b29c-d9c3350297d5.html …
Woman, 36, shot dead in Memphis, TN http://wreg.com/2013/10/31/woman-shot-and-killed-in-southeast-shelby-county/ …
Man shot dead in Houston, TX http://www.khou.com/news/local/
Storeowner-found-shot-to-death-inside-SUV-in-northeast-Houston-230121371.html …
Man shot dead in Orange County, FL http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/orange-county/body-of-shot-man-found-in-parking-lot/-/12978032/22731506/-/f1hcxt/-/index.html …
Man shot dead in Baltimore, MD http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/police-investigating-double-shooting-in-north-baltimore/-/10131532/22738722/-/p26a1mz/-/index.html …
Man shot dead in Harmans, MD http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel-county/man-found-shot-in-7400-block-of-railroad-avenue/-/10137088/22746586/-/obknj5/-/index.html …
Charee Akins-Maddox, 33, shot dead in Albany, NY http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Man-accused-of-killing-woman-in-Albany-4942691.php …
Person shot dead in Brooklyn, NY http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/cops-shoots-himself-to-death-in-brooklyn/ …
William Owens shot dead in Harrison County, WV http://www.wdtv.com/wdtv.cfm?func=view&section=5-News&item=Woman-Admits-to-Accidentally-Killing-Grandson-12610 …
Man shot dead in Baltimore, MD http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-kennedy-ave-double-shooting-20131031,0,1738123.story …
23-year-old shot dead in Grand Rapids, MI http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131031/METRO06/310310064/1409/METRO/2-fatally-shot-outside-Grand-Rapids-restaurant …
Samantha Decker, 24, shot dead in Fairfield, OH http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fairfield-man-wanted-girlfriends-murder-4300.shtml#.UnI_YCjFVaU …
Man shot dead in Chicago, IL http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-oct-30-to-31-20131030,0,2071275.story …
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on November 01, 2013, 11:50:08 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/23851880/twitter-reports-of-shooting-at-lax (http://www.cbs8.com/story/23851880/twitter-reports-of-shooting-at-lax)

 :Lurk:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 01, 2013, 01:19:52 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/23851880/twitter-reports-of-shooting-at-lax (http://www.cbs8.com/story/23851880/twitter-reports-of-shooting-at-lax)

 :Lurk:

off duty TSA agent shoots another TSA agent.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 01, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
oh i'm sorry i didn't know LAX was a school
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on November 01, 2013, 04:50:51 PM
oh i'm sorry i didn't know LAX was a school

School of Hard Knocks, apparently.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2013, 09:40:48 AM
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/08/gun-magazine-editor-forced-to.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 08, 2013, 11:02:25 AM
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/08/gun-magazine-editor-forced-to.html

Very much like the pro choice radicals. Just whacky.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on November 13, 2013, 02:38:20 PM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/police-reported-shooting-at-brashear-high-school/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/police-reported-shooting-at-brashear-high-school/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: #LIFE on December 13, 2013, 02:06:12 PM
Quote
Breaking News ?@BreakingNews 3m Police report 'active shooter situation' at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colo. - @9NEWS http://on9news.tv/1cGN09h

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 13, 2013, 02:48:32 PM
Made it a few weeks between them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 13, 2013, 02:48:41 PM
maybe we're too desensitized to this, but only 2 injuries is kind of weaksauce
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 13, 2013, 02:53:42 PM
Dude needed a Bushmaster
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: theKSU on December 13, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
Yeah it's weird--it appears that the type of weaponry the child shooter has access to seems to have some influence on the number of deaths and injuries he is able to inflict. Don't tell the NRA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 13, 2013, 04:10:04 PM
It's reefer madness.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 13, 2013, 04:14:09 PM
I probably don't have the full story, but the guy on KC 980am said that the shooter went to the school so that one specific teacher could get dealt with.  The teacher was tipped off early by someone and just left.  Then another student confronted the shooter as he entered the building.  Shooter hurt confronter then killed himself.

So, teacher gets tip and just leaves.  Cops?  nope.  Notify principal or onsite staff?  nope.  Just lets another student handle that noise.  WTF?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 13, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
I probably don't have the full story, but the guy on KC 980am said that the shooter went to the school so that one specific teacher could get dealt with.  The teacher was tipped off early by someone and just left.  Then another student confronted the shooter as he entered the building.  Shooter hurt confronter then killed himself.

So, teacher gets tip and just leaves.  Cops?  nope.  Notify principal or onsite staff?  nope.  Just lets another student handle that noise.  WTF?

They were probably in love.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 13, 2013, 04:17:06 PM
i don't think you should start off your post with "i probably don't have the full story, but..."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 13, 2013, 04:18:03 PM
i don't think you should start off your post with "i probably don't have the full story, but..."

I am jaded and don't care, not about your judging me nor the story itself.  Also, that is exactly how 980am laid it out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on December 13, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
In the presser, the teacher bolted.  They acted as though it was on purpose so that the shooter would leave when he realized his target wasn't there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 15, 2013, 10:27:16 PM
I probably don't have the full story, but the guy on KC 980am said that the shooter went to the school so that one specific teacher could get dealt with.  The teacher was tipped off early by someone and just left.  Then another student confronted the shooter as he entered the building.  Shooter hurt confronter then killed himself.

So, teacher gets tip and just leaves.  Cops?  nope.  Notify principal or onsite staff?  nope.  Just lets another student handle that noise.  WTF?

That's probably the whole story and I bet there's nothing else to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on December 16, 2013, 12:57:58 AM
Yeah it's weird--it appears that the type of weaponry the child shooter has access to seems to have some influence on the number of deaths and injuries he is able to inflict. Don't tell the NRA.

Yeah! Ban Guns! Yeah!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 17, 2013, 08:38:53 AM
So an armed cop was working/stationed on campus?  Seems effective, could have been much worse.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 17, 2013, 09:01:09 AM
What's going on in Kirkwood?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on January 14, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

:sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 14, 2014, 09:29:39 AM
Cop was just SYG'ing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 14, 2014, 09:33:46 AM
Cop was just SYG'ing

Yeah, I don't see how they can get a conviction here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 14, 2014, 09:50:32 AM
Cop was just SYG'ing

Yeah, I don't see how they can get a conviction here.

He tried to get management to help.  Sounds like a theater issue.  The wife of the deceased and the shooter should probably get free passes and popcorn for life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 14, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote
"I can't believe people would bring a pistol to a movie," said Cummings, a Vietnam veteran who had celebrating his birthday by going to a movie with his son.

More like, who WOULDN'T bring a pistol to a movie these days?  Seems irresponsible not to, assuming it were within the confines of the law.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 14, 2014, 10:09:07 AM
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3281395.shtml?cat=500#.UtVg8_RDu0J

Quote
A Roswell Middle School is on lockdown after a shooting Tuesday morning.
According to the Roswell Police Department Facebook page, the shooter was apprehended at Berrendo Middle School this morning. Authorities have not confirmed any injuries at this time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 14, 2014, 10:11:42 AM
If you text during the previews before a Marky Mark movie, you will get judged.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on January 14, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
Cell phone usage in movie theaters is why I have to leave my Judge at home.  I know I wouldn't be able to stop myself from Judging people so I end up using my fists instead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on January 14, 2014, 10:56:57 AM
wouldn't have been a problem at the Alama Drafthouse. the staff probably would have shot the dude first.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 14, 2014, 11:03:59 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/14/police-respond-to-report-shooting-at-new-mexico-middle-school/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 14, 2014, 11:06:14 AM
Some ppl obviously resolved to not take any crap in the new year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 14, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Some ppl obviously resolved to not take any crap in the new year.

Zimm sent a message.  It's open season
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 14, 2014, 11:58:05 PM
Quote
"I can't believe people would bring a pistol to a movie," said Cummings, a Vietnam veteran who had celebrating his birthday by going to a movie with his son.

More like, who WOULDN'T bring a pistol to a movie these days?  Seems irresponsible not to, assuming it were within the confines of the law.

Gonna be fun watching the "do you want only criminals carrying guns???" people try to defend this one. Retired cop almost certainly was legally allowed to carry that weapon and he ended up being a terrible human being too. Whaddaya know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 15, 2014, 07:17:08 AM
Well obviously he's a criminal

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 15, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Quote
"I can't believe people would bring a pistol to a movie," said Cummings, a Vietnam veteran who had celebrating his birthday by going to a movie with his son.

More like, who WOULDN'T bring a pistol to a movie these days?  Seems irresponsible not to, assuming it were within the confines of the law.

Gonna be fun watching the "do you want only criminals carrying guns???" people try to defend this one. Retired cop almost certainly was legally allowed to carry that weapon and he ended up being a terrible human being too. Whaddaya know.

A terrible human being who killed someone in anger, who was not at all threatening his life and who he absolutely would not have been able to kill if he hadn't been carrying a pistol at that exact moment.  In a movie theatre
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on January 15, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
All of these impulsive shootings directly contradict what has been true for all humankind since we first learned to walk: rational, passive, restrained, violence-averse, etc. Just so perplexing how us humans can't seem to correctly operate this tiny little gadget that can kill anyone in a half second's judgement. The weirdest thing.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 15, 2014, 08:13:30 PM
A gun helps the powerless feel powerful. And kill people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 15, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
i think i took a pretty solid stance towards guns earlier in this thread, but last weekend i shot some handguns with some bros at my friend's farm and had tons of fun.  i'm probably going to buy a handgun sometime in the next two years.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 15, 2014, 11:16:11 PM
homicide rate in us is the lowest it's been in 50 years.

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/02/murders-in-u-s-cities-again-at-record-lows/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 15, 2014, 11:22:57 PM
homicide rate in us is the lowest it's been in 50 years.

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/02/murders-in-u-s-cities-again-at-record-lows/
way to go everyone!

 :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2014, 11:27:45 PM
homicide rate in us is the lowest it's been in 50 years.

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/02/murders-in-u-s-cities-again-at-record-lows/
way to go everyone!

 :Woohoo:

Ceeeeellllllabrate good times, Obama!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 15, 2014, 11:42:45 PM
i think i took a pretty solid stance towards guns earlier in this thread, but last weekend i shot some handguns with some bros at my friend's farm and had tons of fun.  i'm probably going to buy a handgun sometime in the next two years.

Dlew is a goddamn marksman with a 9mm glock.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
Quote
"I can't believe people would bring a pistol to a movie," said Cummings, a Vietnam veteran who had celebrating his birthday by going to a movie with his son.

More like, who WOULDN'T bring a pistol to a movie these days?  Seems irresponsible not to, assuming it were within the confines of the law.

Gonna be fun watching the "do you want only criminals carrying guns???" people try to defend this one. Retired cop almost certainly was legally allowed to carry that weapon and he ended up being a terrible human being too. Whaddaya know.

A terrible human being who killed someone in anger, who was not at all threatening his life and who he absolutely would not have been able to kill if he hadn't been carrying a pistol at that exact moment.  In a movie theatre

It really makes you wonder how many innocent people he killed when he was a cop.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 16, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
It really makes you wonder how many innocent people he killed when he was a cop.

by definition, if he killed them when he was a cop, they weren't innocent.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 18, 2014, 12:45:39 AM
Well obviously he's a criminal

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Ahhh, so it's all one giant self-fulfilling prophecy. Well done, gun nuts. Touche.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 18, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
Well obviously he's a criminal

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Ahhh, so it's all one giant self-fulfilling prophecy. Well done, gun nuts. Touche.

Might as well put the other 100 million future criminals in jail now.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 18, 2014, 02:32:00 AM
gun owners are just bombs waiting to go off.

scary situation imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 19, 2014, 11:06:05 AM
lol look at you pussies trying to outlaw guns...

hint: It's never going to happen so why don't you all just shut up?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 19, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
lol look at you pussies trying to outlaw guns...

hint: It's never going to happen so why don't you all just shut up?
  :thumbs: #truthbomb in your rough ridin' faces.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 19, 2014, 12:28:53 PM
lol look at you pussies trying to outlaw guns...

hint: It's never going to happen so why don't you all just shut up?

 :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 19, 2014, 03:22:19 PM
lol look at you pussies trying to outlaw guns...

hint: It's never going to happen so why don't you all just shut up?

Lol look who's a big tough guy now that he has a gun. Proving sd right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on January 19, 2014, 05:45:44 PM
you'll never take the guns, losers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 19, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
lol look at you pussies trying to outlaw guns...

hint: It's never going to happen so why don't you all just shut up?

Lol look who's a big tough guy now that he has a gun. Proving sd right
for smart, non-deranged people (like myself), guns are fun as hell. and they're never going away regardless. i'd bet you'd have fun shooting a gun, assuming you're not a complete dumbass or a psycho.

otherwise, you all can have fun whining about guns, but i'm going to be getting drunk with my bros shooting clays and stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2014, 07:35:26 PM
There are a lot of things that are very awful that are never going away. Your argument is for retards, by retards.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 19, 2014, 07:57:58 PM
There are a lot of things that are very awful that are never going away.

tipping?  mores can change.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 19, 2014, 08:36:06 PM
Public Schools are generally pretty awful, and I hope they never go away.

Prescription narcotics are probably responsible for more death and despair in one week than an entire years worth of guns and we have almost zero accountability associated with pills.  Street drugs are even worse and their a whole movement to legalize them.

If you don't own a gun you're a rough ridin' weirdo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 20, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
It's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to categorize all guns as "really awful."  Some guns when used certain ways (murder, etc.) are "really awful," and others used in really great ways (kill a terrorist, for example) can be really great and useful.  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 20, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Also, for shooting people who text their baby sitter at the movies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 20, 2014, 01:18:19 PM
  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Also, for shooting people who text their baby sitter at the movies.
I'd file that under weirdo who murders
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ben ji on January 20, 2014, 01:19:50 PM
i think i took a pretty solid stance towards guns earlier in this thread, but last weekend i shot some handguns with some bros at my friend's farm and had tons of fun.  i'm probably going to buy a handgun sometime in the next two years.

I did this about a month ago, so much fun!

pew pew pew, bang bang bang!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 20, 2014, 01:22:28 PM
It's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to categorize all guns as "really awful."  Some guns when used certain ways (murder, etc.) are "really awful," and others used in really great ways (kill a terrorist, for example) can be really great and useful.  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Have your thoughts on concealed carry changed at all?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 20, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
FWIW, a lot more good has been done by CCW than bad.  To believe otherwise is ignorant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 20, 2014, 01:29:48 PM
It's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to categorize all guns as "really awful."  Some guns when used certain ways (murder, etc.) are "really awful," and others used in really great ways (kill a terrorist, for example) can be really great and useful.  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Have your thoughts on concealed carry changed at all?
Eh.  I don't really care too much about that.  I think I'd still generally prefer people not to be out walking the streets playing cowboys with guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 20, 2014, 08:36:48 PM
  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Also, for shooting people who text their baby sitter at the movies.
I'd file that under weirdo who murders

Cop with a CCP
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 21, 2014, 02:58:50 AM
  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Also, for shooting people who text their baby sitter at the movies.
I'd file that under weirdo who murders

Cop with a CCP
Fine. But I already acknowledged that sometimes guns are really awful.

OT: Don't you shoot guns, LSOC?   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 21, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
  Most of the time though, guns are pretty neutral and it's just a bunch of bros shooting clays.

Also, for shooting people who text their baby sitter at the movies.
I'd file that under weirdo who murders

Cop with a CCP
Fine. But I already acknowledged that sometimes guns are really awful.

OT: Don't you shoot guns, LSOC?

Absolutely.  And I hunt.  No one in this thread has ever advocated taking away everyone's guns.  It is an extreme straw man argument created when someone proposes limitations on automatic weapons and high capacity clips.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on January 21, 2014, 10:32:23 AM
I know that it would seem we have moved on from box cutters, but I am just getting caught up over the last 10 pages or so.

Here is my question, or point I need clarified: I don't own a box cutter, but I own a utility knife that I use as a box cutter. Dax, are you for restricting my rights to own a utility knife? If so, you'll have to pry my utility knife from my cold dead hands.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2014, 11:39:13 AM
I think it would be good policy to illegalize the concealed carry of box cutters and utility knives in schools and other government buildings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 21, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
Shooting reported at Purdue
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 21, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
Shooting reported at Purdue

You will never be able to take away all the guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on January 21, 2014, 02:40:36 PM
Shooting reported at Purdue

You will never be able to take away all the guns

they'll just take away the gun takers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 21, 2014, 04:12:41 PM
Absolutely.  And I hunt.  No one in this thread has ever advocated taking away everyone's guns.  It is an extreme straw man argument created when someone proposes limitations on automatic weapons and high capacity clips.
Oh.  Well yeah. I'm in your camp on this one.

:cheers: <-- except with two guns.  safeties off.  :gocho:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 21, 2014, 04:39:58 PM
wouldn't it be great if the nra would propose an additional 10% tax on gun and ammo sales that would directly fund mental health care? that would be nice for everyone. the penalty for black market sales could be to move a crazy person into your home for a month with all of your guns and see how you liked it. perfect solution.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 21, 2014, 04:57:32 PM
wouldn't it be great if the nra would propose an additional 10% tax on gun and ammo sales that would directly fund mental health care? that would be nice for everyone. the penalty for black market sales could be to move a crazy person into your home for a month with all of your guns and see how you liked it. perfect solution.

I'm not paying an extra dollar on my next box of shells, eff right off with that idea
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 21, 2014, 06:13:59 PM
All vets are mentally ill in some way and government should prevent them from owning firearms.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 21, 2014, 10:49:46 PM
No one in this thread has ever advocated taking away everyone's guns.

not going to search for it, but i'm almost positive (actually am completely positive) that some posters have.  or close enough.  like maybe not advocated taking everyone's guns but have advocated taking most people's guns. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
not a school shooting, but I think sys will enjoy this.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/01/bart_cop_shot_to_death_by_poli.php
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
We already have limitations on automatic weapons.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on January 22, 2014, 11:40:06 AM
ou

:dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Bloodfart on January 22, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 22, 2014, 11:44:27 AM
not a school shooting, but I think sys will enjoy this.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/01/bart_cop_shot_to_death_by_poli.php

cops gonna cop.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: #LIFE on January 22, 2014, 11:54:48 AM
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/10412 (http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/10412)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 22, 2014, 12:01:35 PM
eff. Well-regulated militia tho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: scottwildcat on January 22, 2014, 12:06:36 PM
@jamesfraschilla  42m
Gunman in the building I have class in... just sprinted out. Cops everywhere.


Fran Fraschilla's kid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 22, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
No shooting. Someone heard a loud bang (backfire?) and chaos ensued, per twitter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on January 22, 2014, 12:20:27 PM
such an OU thing.   :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:24:45 PM
Some girl apparently locked herself in a janitors closet and now they can't get her out.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on January 22, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
JFC.

Person on facebook. I mean people that post this crap are so just looking for validity and showing that they care.

Quote
Prayers out to the OU family in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: scottwildcat on January 22, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
No shooting. Someone heard a loud bang (backfire?) and chaos ensued, per twitter.

yup, went from being very  :ohno: to  :ROFL: on twitter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2014, 12:29:53 PM
hilarious, you guys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on January 22, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
derplahoma  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:31:19 PM
Quote
Fake Willie Wildcat ?@FakeWillie  54m
Stay safe, Sooners. #OneFamily #OU
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on January 22, 2014, 12:31:33 PM
JFC.

Person on facebook. I mean people that post this crap are so just looking for validity and showing that they care.

Quote
Prayers out to the OU family in the Big 12.

Yep, guy just unfriended me after I posted that there is no evidence of shots fired.  Got to keep up that image you know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:33:32 PM
Quote
Valerie Resendiz ?@ValerieR711  3m
This possible shooting is just too close to home, makes you realize it can happen anywhere. #OU

This tweet, after the bombing of the federal building in OKC and the bombing at the OU football game...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on January 22, 2014, 12:37:06 PM
Quote
Valerie Resendiz ?@ValerieR711  3m
This possible shooting is just too close to home, makes you realize it can happen anywhere. #OU

This tweet, after the bombing of the federal building in OKC and the bombing at the OU football game...


Oh JFC don't get me started on people who do the "close to home" thing.  Hey guys, I've been in Oklahoma before so this really hits close to home!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:38:34 PM
Quote
Valerie Resendiz ?@ValerieR711  3m
This possible shooting is just too close to home, makes you realize it can happen anywhere. #OU

This tweet, after the bombing of the federal building in OKC and the bombing at the OU football game...


Oh JFC don't get me started on people who do the "close to home" thing.  Hey guys, I've been in Oklahoma before so this really hits close to home!!

Well that really wasn't my intent, more of a "um duh Oklahoma City attracts this crap."  Esp when you throw in the tornado.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 22, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
i am 100 percent against allowing tornados to have guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
i am 100 percent against allowing tornados to have guns.

Agreed.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on January 22, 2014, 12:41:58 PM
i am 100 percent against allowing tornados to have guns.

Agreed.  :cheers:

This is something I can get behind. Tornadoes have had easy access to guns for far too long.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:45:21 PM
Just did a quick Ctrl-F on the Constitution, no mentions of tornadoes, cyclones, dust devils, or haboobs.  I'd have to assume they are guaranteed no rights whatsoever.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 22, 2014, 12:49:48 PM
Quote
Mike Tufano ?@RealMikeT 13m
Are we allowed to talk about the desperate need for gun control in the US after a false alarm or will the right wing say it's not the time?

What in the eff is this dumbass talking about?  "False alarm? OH MY GOD WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 22, 2014, 12:56:28 PM
I think it's an attempt at sarcasm, humor.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 22, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
No one in this thread has ever advocated taking away everyone's guns.

not going to search for it, but i'm almost positive (actually am completely positive) that some posters have.  or close enough.  like maybe not advocated taking everyone's guns but have advocated taking most people's guns.

Just people not in the militia
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on January 22, 2014, 10:48:08 PM
I think it's an attempt at sarcasm, humor.

tuckfano, tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2014, 09:29:22 AM
Not a shooting but...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/school-stabbing-spree/student-describes-school-terror-someone-stabbing-people-n75621
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2014, 09:35:26 AM
How many dead?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2014, 09:38:06 AM
Not a shooting but...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/school-stabbing-spree/student-describes-school-terror-someone-stabbing-people-n75621

What a terrible situation.  In China recently they just had what they have dubbed a terrorist attack when hundreds of people were killed or injured when the attackers stormed a train station with long knives.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/02/world/asia/china-railway-attack/


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
How many dead?

4 critically injured. No dead, yet.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2014, 10:03:57 AM
he stabbed 20 people  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2014, 10:18:21 AM
Have we dissected the brains of these dumbasses who do this yet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2014, 10:29:08 AM
We need to arm the teachers with knives.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
We can all rally in the cooking thread, decide finally what the most useless knife in the block is, gather said useless knives, and arm our local teachers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 09, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
How many dead?

4 critically injured. No dead, yet.

Not interested, then :don'tcare:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2014, 10:46:02 AM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

Also, when are they going to get around to banning box cutters.   On 9/11/01, Box Cutters killed thousands.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 09, 2014, 10:48:04 AM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

Also, when are they going to get around to banning box cutters.   On 9/11/01, Box Cutters killed thousands.

i think we should encourage mass murderers to use knives
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 09, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
maybe knife subsidies or incentives?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 09, 2014, 10:49:42 AM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

Also, when are they going to get around to banning box cutters.   On 9/11/01, Box Cutters killed thousands.

i think we should encourage mass murderers to use knives

Agreed.  I would finally have a practical utility for wearing my chainmail tunic that I bought at the Renaissance Faire in public.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2014, 10:54:18 AM
Box cutters don't kill ppl, ppl with hardcore religious beliefs in something other than Jesus Christ kill ppl.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on April 09, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
Box cutters don't kill ppl, ppl with hardcore religious beliefs in something other than Jesus Christ kill ppl.

Pretty sure people with beliefs in Jesus Christ also kill people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 09, 2014, 10:58:01 AM
Box cutters don't kill ppl, ppl with hardcore religious beliefs in something other than Jesus Christ kill ppl.

Pretty sure people with beliefs in Jesus Christ also kill people.

:lol:  I suppose you pay pretty close attention the Jew-owned media, don't you? :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2014, 11:00:17 AM
I had a butterfly knife when I was in high school.  I was pretty awesome with it. Probably could have stabbed 100 people if I had wanted to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on April 09, 2014, 11:03:56 AM
still unbelievable that those 10+ chinese dudes that went on that rampage only managed < 3 KPP
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2014, 11:11:23 AM
Box cutters don't kill ppl, ppl with hardcore religious beliefs in something other than Jesus Christ kill ppl.

Pretty sure people with beliefs in Jesus Christ also kill people.

Wouldn't if everyone believed in him.










You realize I am joking, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trogdor on April 09, 2014, 11:44:52 AM
Predictos on the next weapon used in a school attack? Im banking on staple guns

These guys seem to just be moving down the list of "things that make it easy to injure people"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2014, 12:05:49 PM
Hot coffee attacks  :ohno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 09, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
a friend of mine loves guns but because he is a liberal his grandma figures he is lying and secretly hates them. she has sent him links showing the ways that people will repurpose nail guns once bHo takes away the 2nd amendment. sweet old lady.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on April 09, 2014, 12:18:26 PM
Predictos on the next weapon used in a school attack? Im banking on staple guns

These guys seem to just be moving down the list of "things that make it easy to injure people"
Safety scissors. Or eraser burns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trogdor on April 09, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
a friend of mine loves guns but because he is a liberal his grandma figures he is lying and secretly hates them. she has sent him links showing the ways that people will repurpose nail guns once bHo takes away the 2nd amendment. sweet old lady.

Thats a true american
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
After Barack takes away all the guns, I will be listening hard for an air compressor
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 09, 2014, 01:00:40 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 09, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.
that guy had some reasonable opinions about guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.

It's very hard to gather the materials needed to replicate that because following the tragedy the country enacted laws limiting access.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2014, 01:28:06 PM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

Also, when are they going to get around to banning box cutters.   On 9/11/01, Box Cutters killed thousands.

i think we should encourage mass murderers to use knives

yeah, this probably wasn't the best time for dax to bring back his talking point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2014, 01:50:13 PM
Next weapon of choice for deranged high school kid?  Cars.  That SXSW guy was a pioneer.  Mowdowns prob gonna be en vogue this coming season.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Headinjun on April 09, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
Not a shooting but...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/school-stabbing-spree/student-describes-school-terror-someone-stabbing-people-n75621

Where was the armed guard to shoot this maniac?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2014, 02:07:03 PM
What type of individual would own a knife? 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 09, 2014, 02:14:11 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.

It's very hard to gather the materials needed to replicate that because following the tragedy the country enacted laws limiting access.

LOL no it's not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2014, 02:15:36 PM
you guys are way off, it's toy planes...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-man-in-connecticut-plotted-to-fly-drone-like-toy-planes-with-bombs-into-school/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2014, 02:21:21 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.

It's very hard to gather the materials needed to replicate that because following the tragedy the country enacted laws limiting access.

LOL no it's not.

Lol, yes it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 09, 2014, 02:27:26 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.

It's very hard to gather the materials needed to replicate that because following the tragedy the country enacted laws limiting access.

LOL no it's not.

Lol, yes it is.

You probably think the same about meth.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2014, 02:30:13 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.

It's very hard to gather the materials needed to replicate that because following the tragedy the country enacted laws limiting access.

LOL no it's not.

Lol, yes it is.

You probably think the same about meth.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

I think it would be really hard to get a van full of meth.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2014, 02:32:19 PM
We need to get back to the classics, like ammonium nitrate in a Ryder truck.

It's very hard to gather the materials needed to replicate that because following the tragedy the country enacted laws limiting access.

LOL no it's not.

Lol, yes it is.

You probably think the same about meth.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

Yes, the vast black market for van loads of ammonium nitrate.  How could I forget?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 10, 2014, 02:05:45 PM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

I don't think we should ban all knives, but I do think we need better knife control laws. Ban assault knives for starters, close the knife show loophole, mandatory background checks, waiting periods, and a national registry for all knife purchases, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2014, 02:07:16 PM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

I don't think we should ban all knives, but I do think we need better knife control laws. Ban assault knives for starters, close the knife show loophole, mandatory background checks, waiting periods, and a national registry for all knife purchases, etc.

lol at you guys pulling this one out of the closet at what appears to be the least opportune time to unleash it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 02:09:09 PM
I call for a ban on all knives . . . again.

I don't think we should ban all knives, but I do think we need better knife control laws. Ban assault knives for starters, close the knife show loophole, mandatory background checks, waiting periods, and a national registry for all knife purchases, etc.

If you take away my knife how will I protect myself from black people?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 10, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 10, 2014, 02:27:27 PM
What happened here? I haven't seen much news coverage on TV, just a little blurb here and there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 02:29:07 PM
What happened here? I haven't seen much news coverage on TV, just a little blurb here and there.

The NRA staged a knife attack at a school so Obama wouldn't take their guns away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
it was a school shooting where a kid rampaged into school and shot 20 people but none of them died because he shot them with a knife and not a gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 10, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
it was a school shooting where a kid rampaged into school and shot 20 people but none of them died because he shot them with a knife and not a gun

Well, ok, maybe guns are more dangerous than knives. And maybe we ought to focus more on locking up nut jobs. That seems to be the common denominator here. It's the batshit crazy thing that seems to be harming people.
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Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
it was a school shooting where a kid rampaged into school and shot 20 people but none of them died because he shot them with a knife and not a gun

Well, ok, maybe guns are more dangerous than knives. And maybe we ought to focus more on locking up nut jobs. That seems to be the common denominator here. It's the batshit crazy thing that seems to be harming people.

That term, "bringing a gun to a knife fight" is so silly, right KSU? Its built entirely on an unproven maybe
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Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 02:39:13 PM
i doubt many children accidentally blow their heads off with a knife, and i bet almost no innocent people are killed by a stray knife flying through their window
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 02:44:34 PM
Ban drunk driving.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 02:50:19 PM
Ban drunk driving.

ban murder
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2014, 02:50:29 PM
i doubt many children accidentally blow their heads off with a knife, and i bet almost no innocent people are killed by a stray knife flying through their window

Well, Juliette killed herself with a knife, iirc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on April 10, 2014, 02:51:15 PM
i doubt many children accidentally blow their heads off with a knife, and i bet almost no innocent people are killed by a stray knife flying through their window

Well, Juliette killed herself with a knife, iirc.

sounds made up
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Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 02:53:23 PM
How are knife sales doing today? They are going up right?
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 02:55:32 PM
How are knife sales doing today? They are going up right?

Obviously perpetrated by BIG KNIFE to get an artificial sales boost.

Also, obviously kids today are pussies if they couldn't take one kid with a knife.  I swear. 
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-04-07/employee-stabbed-garden-city-wal-mart (http://cjonline.com/news/2014-04-07/employee-stabbed-garden-city-wal-mart)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 03:11:34 PM
How are knife sales doing today? They are going up right?

Obviously perpetrated by BIG KNIFE to get an artificial sales boost.

Also, obviously kids today are pussies if they couldn't take one kid with a knife.  I swear.

do you even teenage mutant ninja turtles, bro?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2014, 03:24:11 PM
Whenever things are use by people to hurt other people, the thing that was used must be blamed, not the person using the thing to hurt.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2014, 03:26:04 PM
Someone earlier said that we need to get better at locking up the crazies.  This was a sophomore kid.
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Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
Someone earlier said that we need to get better at locking up the crazies.  This was a sophomore kid.

A gun owner said it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 10, 2014, 03:34:03 PM
it was a school shooting where a kid rampaged into school and shot 20 people but none of them died because he shot them with a knife and not a gun

Well, ok, maybe guns are more dangerous than knives. And maybe we ought to focus more on locking up nut jobs. That seems to be the common denominator here. It's the batshit crazy thing that seems to be harming people.

That term, "bringing a gun to a knife fight" is so silly, right KSU? Its built entirely on an unproven maybe

That part was a joke, comrade. Lighten up. And FWIW, I don't own a gun. Don't really like them, personally.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on April 10, 2014, 03:40:38 PM
Whenever things are use by people to hurt other people, the thing that was used must be blamed, not the person using the thing to hurt.





It's not about placing blame on an object, it's about trying to prevent people from getting hurt/killed in the future. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on April 10, 2014, 03:44:33 PM
it was a school shooting where a kid rampaged into school and shot 20 people but none of them died because he shot them with a knife and not a gun

Well, ok, maybe guns are more dangerous than knives. And maybe we ought to focus more on locking up nut jobs. That seems to be the common denominator here. It's the batshit crazy thing that seems to be harming people.

That term, "bringing a gun to a knife fight" is so silly, right KSU? Its built entirely on an unproven maybe

That part was a joke, comrade. Lighten up. And FWIW, I don't own a gun. Don't really like them, personally.

Well about 95% of your posts read as satire to me so I apologize I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2014, 03:45:38 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 03:46:31 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

use a bow, guns are for those without any skill
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 03:48:55 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

use a bow, guns are for those without any skill

I'll consider it the next time I rampage through an elementary school.  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.

Hey, that's like your opinion, man.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 03:53:36 PM
emo related sidenote anecdote: when i was in middle school a kid shot another kid in the chest with a rough ridin' bow and arrow! he got sent to juvie and alternative school and stuff. no one ever saw that kid (the shooter) again. but a few years ago he tried to friend me on facebook!  :surprised:

i didn't accept it so hopefully he doesnt find me and shoot me with an arrow or anything else
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2014, 03:55:48 PM
emo related sidenote anecdote: when i was in middle school a kid shot another kid in the chest with a rough ridin' bow and arrow! he got sent to juvie and alternative school and stuff. no one ever saw that kid (the shooter) again. but a few years ago he tried to friend me on facebook!  :surprised:

i didn't accept it so hopefully he doesnt find me and shoot me with an arrow or anything else

Did the kid survive the arrow?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
puni lives dangerously
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.

Not that you care, but the AR15 platform was not designed to kill.  It was designed to maim, hence the 62gr green tip armor piercing round it was paired with.  Makes small holes clean though and creates additional burden on the enemy effectively taking 3 people out of the fight with one well placed bullet.  SERVED!

Also, we used to shoot arrows straight up way into the air and then run under the deck before they fell.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
When I was in 8th grade a 9th grader brought a homemade pipe bomb(about 3/4" dia x 6-7" long) to school, attached it to the water fountains, and tried to set it off in between classes.  It smoked like a roughrider but that is all.  The school put everyone in the cafeteria and the fire dept showed up.  The kid admitted it was a failed pipe bomb and admitted he wanted to blow crap up.  Yet the kid was only suspended for a week, returned to school a week later like nothing was wrong, and that was it.  Nothing else. 

rough ridin' crazy.  The kid would be in jail still if it happened in an environment like we have now, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
emo related sidenote anecdote: when i was in middle school a kid shot another kid in the chest with a rough ridin' bow and arrow! he got sent to juvie and alternative school and stuff. no one ever saw that kid (the shooter) again. but a few years ago he tried to friend me on facebook!  :surprised:

i didn't accept it so hopefully he doesnt find me and shoot me with an arrow or anything else

Did the kid survive the arrow?

yes! he was staggering down the road with an arrow sticking out of his chest trying to go home and an old lady saw him and called the cops
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.

Not that you care, but the AR15 platform was not designed to kill.  It was designed to maim, hence the 62gr green tip armor piercing round it was paired with.  Makes small holes clean though and creates additional burden on the enemy effectively taking 3 people out of the fight with one well placed bullet.  SERVED!

but as a civilian, you can blast people with hollow points without regard for the geneva convention
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2014, 04:00:58 PM
I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
I gave you the script, emo. you don't have to be a gun apologist anymore.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

The light 556 enabled 30 round mags.  The tactics of the day dictated that the battle rifle created covering fire for flanking maneuvers and the use of special ordinance, like belt fed machine guns, grenade launchers, and other really cool especially made to kill stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 10, 2014, 04:04:10 PM
it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.

Not that you care, but the AR15 platform was not designed to kill.  It was designed to maim, hence the 62gr green tip armor piercing round it was paired with.  Makes small holes clean though and creates additional burden on the enemy effectively taking 3 people out of the fight with one well placed bullet.  SERVED!

but as a civilian, you can blast people with hollow points without regard for the geneva convention

The military now uses hollow points. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2014, 04:06:44 PM
I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

The light 556 enabled 30 round mags.  The tactics of the day dictated that the battle rifle created covering fire for flanking maneuvers and the use of special ordinance, like belt fed machine guns, grenade launchers, and other really cool especially made to kill stuff.

Couldn't a gun that was designed to kill do this too?  I mean, were tactics set up to just annoy the crap out of the enemy until the real killing stuff moved in?  Seems unproductive.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2014, 04:07:21 PM
I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

I would think it was great. It would be a huge load off my mind if I knew the people I was shooting probably weren't actually dying.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2014, 04:08:40 PM
I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

I would think it was great. It would be a huge load off my mind if I knew the people I was shooting probably weren't actually dying.

yeah, maiming 3 instead of killing 1 is a huge upside
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
WTF!?  Now there's a tiny hole in me!  Hey, stop it!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2014, 04:24:11 PM
WTF!?  Now there's a tiny hole in me!  Hey, stop it!

Morale: lowered!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on April 10, 2014, 04:55:48 PM
WTF!?  Now there's a tiny hole in me!  Hey, stop it!

Morale: lowered!

Time: wasted!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
That penn kid was totally distracting the school while the ppl with the things actually designed to kill flanked the crap out of the place.  Thank goodness for quick response times.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 11, 2014, 08:24:14 AM
Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 11, 2014, 08:27:49 AM
Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   :dunno:

Who says we lost Vietnam?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 11, 2014, 08:29:50 AM
Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   :dunno:

Who says we lost Vietnam?

Vietnam
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 11, 2014, 08:33:46 AM
Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   :dunno:

Who says we lost Vietnam?

Vietnam

Well, of course they're going to say that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 11, 2014, 08:36:28 AM
Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   :dunno:

Who says we lost Vietnam?

Vietnam

Well, of course they're going to say that.

I think it's because North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam and made it one Vietnam under God and we couldn't stop it.  The proof is in the phad thai apparently.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 11, 2014, 09:23:35 AM
We totally should have distracted N. Vietnam more with bullets that are pains in the ass, then BOOM!, flank the crap out of their faces.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 11, 2014, 09:42:49 AM
Over the years a lot things missed getting blown up and lot of people have avoided being killed because of failed pipe bombs.   

Because of the prospect of a bomber(s) actually getting it right.   A pipe (of all varieties) registry needs to be put in place immediately, while an outright ban on pipes is considered by our various legislative bodies.    Bombers don't kill people, pipes do.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 11, 2014, 09:48:28 AM
Over the years a lot things missed getting blown up and lot of people have avoided being killed because of failed pipe bombs.   

Because of the prospect of a bomber(s) actually getting it right.   A pipe (of all varieties) registry needs to be put in place immediately, while an outright ban on pipes is considered by our various legislative bodies.    Bombers don't kill people, pipes do.

Back then, just keeping up a substandard of instruction in Shop Class was adequate.  Dating myself, but the lack of internet content and use in 1995 is probably why I am alive to type this since the class I was exiting at the time opened up into the hallway immediately across from the targeted water fountain.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 11, 2014, 09:59:09 AM
Over the years a lot things missed getting blown up and lot of people have avoided being killed because of failed pipe bombs.   

Because of the prospect of a bomber(s) actually getting it right.   A pipe (of all varieties) registry needs to be put in place immediately, while an outright ban on pipes is considered by our various legislative bodies.    Bombers don't kill people, pipes do.

Back then, just keeping up a substandard of instruction in Shop Class was adequate.  Dating myself, but the lack of internet content and use in 1995 is probably why I am alive to type this since the class I was exiting at the time opened up into the hallway immediately across from the targeted water fountain.

Excellent points, with the progression of information available on the Inet, plus significantly improved technology.   I think it would be prudent to not only put a ban on pipes of all kinds, but all the relevant components involved in the process.   Let's start with the incubator . . . Ban the Internet!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 11, 2014, 10:19:08 AM
When people make arguments this poor, it makes the other side complacent
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 11, 2014, 10:21:36 AM
dax, is there anything that the government has banned under the guise of public safety that you agree with?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2014, 04:36:03 PM
Does Obama drive an old Ford?

(http://i.imgur.com/hrvj6X6.gif)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 11, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
Does Obama drive an old Ford?

(http://i.imgur.com/hrvj6X6.gif)

I would say yes if that's his wallet flying away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
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She will speak next Tuesday, April 22nd, at the Union.  Would be fascinating to hear...if anyone can make it I would love the first hand account of her talk.
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If you bothered to really look into the details of the incident and the people involved, you would not bother to listen to   
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Agreed...and it will most likely get moved to the WF, but since she's speaking at KSU I felt it was warranted.

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HouKat,
I've looked into the details of this case and I do not agree with you.  Maybe you should put yourself in her shoes and ask how you would feel if some stranger stalked your kid and killed him.  Obviously the administators at KSU feel she is worthy of the podium and time.  It has nothing to do with race.  It's obvious your comments are rooted in race.  That is your right!!  Dont spew your crap here though.4/15 11:11 AM | IP: Logged
 
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There is literally no positive that will come from this. Why would SGA agree to sponser this event other than the obvious?4/15 11:12 AM | IP: Logged
 
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HouKat,
I've looked into the details of this case and I do not agree with you.  Maybe you should put yourself in her shoes and ask how you would feel if some stranger stalked your kid and killed him.  Obviously the administators at KSU feel she is worthy of the podium and time.  It has nothing to do with race.  It's obvious your comments are rooted in race.  That is your right!!  Dont spew your crap here though.

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A jury of your peers disagreed.  Your problem is you let emotions make the decision for you. Look at the facts.

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Hope it happens to your kid!!!!!
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cat-dizzle that is one of the sorriest statements you could make.  Even my worst enemy I would never wish ill for their child.  You sir are without an ounce of character if that statement is any indication.  4/15 11:22 AM | IP: Logged
 
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I've looked into the details of this case and I do not agree with you.  Maybe you should put yourself in her shoes and ask how you would feel if some stranger stalked your kid and killed him.  Obviously the administators at KSU feel she is worthy of the podium and time.  It has nothing to do with race.  It's obvious your comments are rooted in race.  That is your right!!  Dont spew your crap here though.

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A jury of your peers disagreed.  Your problem is you let emotions make the decision for you. Look at the facts.

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At least one of the jurors has gone on the record that the acquittal had more to do with Florida law than a belief of the defendant's innocence.

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this is a fascinating conversation to read....

a message board rooted in kansas defends the person escalating the violence in two separate occasions (following martin, using a gun) instead of the person defending himself from a gun-wielding moron...

one would think this board would defend "responsible gun usage"... picking a fight, then getting your ass kicked, and then deciding to use a gun because you are a big wimp would seem to be the opposite...

one would also think a true "conservative-rooted" board would demand that we should be free from stalkers and people trying to put themselves into your business....  yet this site doesn't.....plenty, if not all, people would feel the right to defend themselves from zimmerman following them...



BTW -- http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.asp

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WOW! Stay classy catt-dizzle.

Your post is uncalled for.  He didn't say anything personal about you and then you wish ill on his kids...

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WOW! Stay classy catt-dizzle.

Your post is uncalled for.  He didn't say anything personal about you and then you wish ill on his kids...

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TNew41.. I am sorry your post got the best of me. I am sure you are a good person & I did not mean what I wrote.  It is hard for me not to put myself in that child or the parents shoes.  I think they are the biggest losers here.  As a KSU alum I respect KSU for having her on campus.  I am sure her experience can help other people.   If others dont like it just dont go but dont discourage others.4/15 11:40 AM | IP: Logged
 
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TNew41.. I am sorry your post got the best of me. I am sure you are a good person & I did not mean what I wrote.  It is hard for me not to put myself in that child or the parents shoes.  I think they are the biggest losers here.  As a KSU alum I respect KSU for having her on campus.  I am sure her experience can help other people.   If others dont like it just dont go but dont discourage others.

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I know better than to chime in here, but for some reason I am going to go against my better judgment and do so.

If Zimmerman had done something truly wrong, he would have been arrested that night.  He wasn't.  It wasn't until the race baiters and media got the public all riled up that an arrest was made.  In fact, if I remember correctly, the Chief of Police actually resigned because his superiors were bowing to public pressure and he felt it was wrong to do that.

A jury found the man not guilty.  According to the laws in Florida, he did nothing wrong.  Now...are the Florida laws effed up?  Maybe...but I'm a resident of Kansas...I have absolutely nothing to do with the laws in Florida.  If the people who live there thought they were wrong (even after this tragedy) they would have changed them.  Have they??

I'm not standing here defending Zimmerman, nor am I blaming Martin.  The only thing we know is that a man got beat up, a kid got killed, and we only have 1 side of the story.  As the laws are, the man did nothing wrong.

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And as to the original post...

I certainly hope her message is something like..."Avoid confrontation.  Be truthful.  Don't fight.  Don't instigate fights.  Don't participate in violence...etc."

and NOT one of, "My baby got killed by whitey! (even though Zimmerman isn't a "whitey")" 

I just hope her message is one that won't stir up the emotional side of the argument and thus bringing about more division among people.  There's enough of that crap in the country already.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 15, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
Goddammit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
Can't do it. Stopped 6 posts in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 15, 2014, 01:17:35 PM
It's truly remarkable how so many people think you are justified in chasing down a kid and then shooting him in self defense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 15, 2014, 01:23:59 PM
It's truly remarkable how so many people think you are justified in chasing down a kid and then shooting him in self defense.

It's amazing how many people want to experience shooting someone to death without going to jail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 20, 2014, 03:22:48 PM
Cong. Tim Huelskamp ?@CongHuelskamp  20m
.@ChipotleTweets you serve food with integrity? How about serving people with integrity? 2nd Amendment? http://goo.gl/LM1Q4k
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 20, 2014, 03:28:37 PM
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/537a7239ecad042f69ce8ba9/michael-bloomberg-wants-to-ban-guns-in-chipotle.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 20, 2014, 03:30:18 PM
If I worked at Chipotle and those guys walked in, I would just hand them the register and call the cops.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 20, 2014, 03:34:20 PM
If I worked at Chipotle and those guys walked in, I would just hand them the register and call the cops.

I wonder if they pointed their gun at each of the ingredients as they ordered.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 20, 2014, 03:57:53 PM
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/537a7239ecad042f69ce8ba9/michael-bloomberg-wants-to-ban-guns-in-chipotle.jpg)

The anti gun crowd should just constantly post pics like this as their anti gun propaganda.  Ppl would get the message.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 20, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
The guy who isn't morbidly obese even has his finger on the trigger.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 20, 2014, 04:24:49 PM
Is that a bucket body he has on?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 20, 2014, 04:29:08 PM
I like how the hat is camo. It hides his enormous body from his prey.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2014, 04:31:54 PM
Is the midget with a gun wearing tye dye?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 20, 2014, 04:33:47 PM
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/537a7239ecad042f69ce8ba9/michael-bloomberg-wants-to-ban-guns-in-chipotle.jpg)

When I think of "A well armed militia" I am pretty much thinking about these guys.  Glad to see they are fueling up on a big ass burrito(hopefully they know about the secret menu and the quesarito).  Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on May 20, 2014, 04:57:43 PM
obeisity = doomsday prepping
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 28, 2014, 11:46:21 AM
The guy who isn't morbidly obese even has his finger on the trigger.

LOL no he doesn't, that is perfect trigger control.  See another example here.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/01/article-2594627-186E3B0E000005DC-381_634x407.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on May 28, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
we're going to have to go to the pixels on this one
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 28, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
couple more studs taking it to sonic since they can't get a burrito bowl
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10402573_566316420152949_6679925158797506801_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
That is a before pic.  Kid turning around is  morbidly obese guy from chipolte, only one year worth of Sonic ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 28, 2014, 01:04:36 PM
Candian friend of mine was approached by a local gun lobbyist asking if they could have an event where people openly carry and gather at his business. He politely said thanks but no thanks.

Email transcripts
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Sir:
Making an initial inquiry on holding an Open Carry Event at your business.

It would just be a group of like minded 2nd Amendment supporters who like to spend money in your city.

If you are not comfortable with an event such as this we will look to spend the money else where.


Thanks for your consideration,


Response:
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What would the event be like?  Tell me more.

Next Reply:
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It wouldn't be very exciting. Some middle aged and mostly overweight men and a few wives, sitting around drinking coffee and eating, who would just happen to be carrying sidearms as an illustration of the recent city law change allowing Open Carry in our city

Mostly illustrating how such a controversial topic, becomes a non-event if you understand the point.

Press and Media exposure is your call, as this may very well be the first event of its kind since the law change.

I am pretty confident the attendee's would spend a good deal of money in your space, as they tend to support those who support the 2nd Amendment.


At that point my Canadian friend said Thanks, good luck, but no Thanks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 28, 2014, 01:11:05 PM
Well that email chain is obviously shopped.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 28, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
couple more studs taking it to sonic since they can't get a burrito bowl
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10402573_566316420152949_6679925158797506801_n.jpg)

Somebody needs to figure out a way to institutionalize these people before they start shooting crowds of innocent people. They clearly have various mental illnesses.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on May 28, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
couple more studs taking it to sonic since they can't get a burrito bowl
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10402573_566316420152949_6679925158797506801_n.jpg)

Somebody needs to figure out a way to institutionalize these people before they start shooting crowds of innocent people. They clearly have various mental illnesses.
But it looks sooooo natural.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 28, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 2nd amendment enthusiasts are some of the worst people on earth. Get a rough ridin' life you rough ridin' losers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on May 28, 2014, 03:04:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 2nd amendment enthusiasts are some of the worst people on earth. Get a rough ridin' life you rough ridin' losers.

I'm all for individual liberty, but these guys have to know how ridiculous they look.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on May 29, 2014, 12:30:42 PM
I like how 2nd amendment dorks think they are all rich as crap and their money will make or break every mom and pop store in town. Most of these idiots are broke because they cant stop buying $2000 guns and can only afford to eat fast food value meals
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2014, 12:32:48 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 2nd amendment enthusiasts are some of the worst people on earth. Get a rough ridin' life you rough ridin' losers.

They give their guns girls names for a reason.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on May 29, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
Jesus christ
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on May 29, 2014, 12:41:33 PM
I got a good kick out of this tho

(http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bu4ds8vc4qspfzy009gu-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 29, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
boom roasted by the onion again

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 02, 2014, 08:06:52 PM
http://bringmethenews.com/2014/06/02/neighbor-pulls-gun-on-dad-teaching-daughter-to-ride-bike/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on June 02, 2014, 08:29:51 PM
drake is not allowed to post in the pit or in the binge scale thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 09, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

You'll never take away all the Ci-Ci's
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2014, 01:28:32 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Or some highly radical liberals.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 09, 2014, 01:31:00 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Bubbles, everything is repub vs. dem for you. Sometimes crazy people are just crazy, and not representative of a larger group.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 09, 2014, 02:08:56 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Bubbles, everything is repub vs. dem for you. Sometimes crazy people are just crazy, and not representative of a larger group.
there seem to be a lot of crazies among conservative gun nuts.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 09, 2014, 02:13:19 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Or some highly radical liberals.
doubt it. the headline i saw said they were white supremacists and clive bundy supporters, two strong indicators of conservatism.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2014, 02:19:51 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Or some highly radical liberals.
doubt it. the headline i saw said they were white supremacists and clive bundy supporters, two strong indicators of conservatism.

Where did you happen to see this headline bubbles?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 09, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Or some highly radical liberals.
doubt it. the headline i saw said they were white supremacists and clive bundy supporters, two strong indicators of conservatism.

Where did you happen to see this headline bubbles?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/las-vegas-shooters-claimed-to-have-ties-to-bundy.html

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Las Vegas Shooters Bragged About Taking Part in Bundy Standoff
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 09, 2014, 02:26:32 PM
The guy who got shot at WalMart had a gun and confronted them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2014, 02:27:07 PM
Sounds like rejected Bundy supporters to me.

Nice work by the neighbors in alerting authorities. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 09, 2014, 02:27:45 PM
Only dumbass conservatives supported Clive Bundy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 09, 2014, 02:28:46 PM
Your typical 2nd amendment fanatics.
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/09/09-las-vegas-shooters.w1058.h704.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 09, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
Your typical 2nd amendment fanatics.
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/09/09-las-vegas-shooters.w1058.h704.jpg)

So, they were Juggalos?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2014, 04:53:31 PM
Only dumbass conservatives supported Clive Bundy.

So, no anarchists supported Bundy?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 09, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
Only dumbass conservatives supported Clive Bundy.

So, no anarchists supported Bundy?



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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 09, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
those circles should really overlap a whole lot more
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 09, 2014, 05:44:05 PM
Plenty of dumbass liberals love shooting things. Most the time it's not guns, but they shoot those too. This is not a party thing. This is a "we have some dumb fucks who live in this world" kind of thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 09, 2014, 05:46:15 PM
those circles should really overlap a whole lot more

It's not to scale.  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 09, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
Only dumbass conservatives supported Clive Bundy.

So, no anarchists supported Bundy?

As a moderate, I feel it's a little disrespectful to call the liberals "dumbasses" in your graphic, but at least you got the color right.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 09, 2014, 08:47:15 PM
some conservatives killed some cops in vegas.

Bubbles, everything is repub vs. dem for you. Sometimes crazy people are just crazy, and not representative of a larger group.
there seem to be a lot of crazies among conservative gun nuts.

Well of course, but you tend to put everyone in two categories when you make arguments here. You find a crazy conservative, or a cool lib, and use them to prove a point about the entire group. Let go of party politics, its freeing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 11:14:16 AM
Troutdale, OR, today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 10, 2014, 12:01:49 PM
Troutdale, OR, today.

How many is that this month?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
I think we avg 9.5 a month these days.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 10, 2014, 12:14:02 PM
Does anyone think that part of the motivation is the coverage these events are given by the media?

I do.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chuckjames on June 10, 2014, 12:20:24 PM
Plenty of dumbass liberals love shooting things. Most the time it's not guns, but they shoot those too. This is not a party thing. This is a "we have some dumb fucks who live in this world" kind of thing.
So shouldn't we try to limit these dumb fucks from getting guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 10, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Does anyone think that part of the motivation is the coverage these events are given by the media?

I do.

I disagree, for the most part.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 10, 2014, 12:23:28 PM
Does anyone think that part of the motivation is the coverage these events are given by the media?

I do.

I disagree, for the most part.

I know, it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
If only there was something we could do to stop this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 10, 2014, 12:26:03 PM
Does anyone think that part of the motivation is the coverage these events are given by the media?

I do.

I'm sure in most cases, it's a part of the motivation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 10, 2014, 12:26:24 PM
Does anyone think that part of the motivation is the coverage these events are given by the media?

I do.

I disagree, for the most part.

I know, it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative.

It seems like 2 school shootings a week seems like a real problem  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chuckjames on June 10, 2014, 12:26:36 PM
Cant we just all agree that similar to the 3/5 clause, thr 2nd amendment is a dumb amendment and move on? We've already pissed on the 4th and 8th so the 2nd shouldn't be that big of deal. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 12:58:02 PM
Yes, the media has more to do with people killing kids at schools than the ease of acquiring guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 01:11:20 PM
A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:

• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
• 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market
• 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop
• 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/11/where-criminals-get-their-guns/#ixzz34GFwSk00
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 10, 2014, 01:16:17 PM
Have any data less than 15 years old?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 01:16:42 PM
A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:

• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
• 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market
• 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop
• 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/11/where-criminals-get-their-guns/#ixzz34GFwSk00

Massive holes in the obtaining of guns by said family members/friends and on the street sources. Just because they didn't buy them themselves and would have been prohibited doesn't mean that the people they got them from would be able to obtain a gun willy nilly with more strict legislation. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 01:18:05 PM
A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:

• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
• 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market
• 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop
• 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/11/where-criminals-get-their-guns/#ixzz34GFwSk00

Was this supposed to contradict what I posted? Because it should be more difficult to obtain firearms from family members or let them slip into the black market.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 01:19:13 PM
Jon Stewart made a valid point about open carrying and stand your ground being on a crash course. Maybe all the extreme gun nuts will start killing each other off when they feel threatened by someone openly carrying that isn't known to them or trying to demonstrate with them? :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 01:52:56 PM
It was really just to offer some perspective.  I have seen some more recently published data (in print) and cannot locate it online.  Please if you can find something more current please post it. 

I would love to hear some suggestions on how to keep people from giving guns to family members or friends. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
I would love to hear some suggestions on how to keep people from giving guns to family members or friends. 

Make all guns registered, all transactions and exchanges of firearms reported to law enforcement, all owners must have a gun-owning license, charging people for crimes when their legally obtained guns are used to commit crimes if there was no transaction reported, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:24:21 PM
I second mcat. All I'd ask for is personal responsibility.  Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Well if you're gun kills someone. I'd say you assisted in the murder and should be charged accordingly. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:26:06 PM
You're gun was stolen? Was it locked up? How did they get it? Did you file a police report?

Much in the same way if my car stereo is stolen from my unlocked car with the windows rolled down, these "stolen" claims should be laughed away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
I would love to hear some suggestions on how to keep people from giving guns to family members or friends. 

Make all guns registered, all transactions and exchanges of firearms reported to law enforcement, all owners must have a gun-owning license, charging people for crimes when their legally obtained guns are used to commit crimes if there was no transaction reported, etc.

They're trying this at the state level and it's failing miserably.  They're turning law abiding citizens into criminals.  Anyway we're not going to change each other's minds so this is probably pointless.

I do think that there are ways of holding people responsible.  Maybe in civil courts or something.  I'm not against that.  But loaning your friend a deer rifle to go hunting doesn't make you in the least bit liable when he does something with it that you did not expect.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 10, 2014, 02:36:39 PM
If you loan someone your car and they crash it, you're liable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:37:49 PM
If you loan someone your car and they crash it, you're liable.

Liable for what?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 10, 2014, 02:38:43 PM
If you loan someone your car and they crash it, you're liable.

Liable for what?

For any damage they do with your car.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:41:30 PM
If you loan someone your car and they crash it, you're liable.

Liable for what?

For any damage they do with your car.

Possibly.  It's not a certainty.  I don't see how any laws on the books would be inclusive of cars or exclusive of guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:42:39 PM
Absolutely you should be responsible for whatever is done with your gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:43:54 PM
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nope_doctor_who.gif)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:44:51 PM


Owning a gun should be a great responsibility.  If you can't keep your guns from being used illegally or to commit crimes, you shouldn't own a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
If a kid finds your unsecured gun and hurts somebody?  Sure.  If you purposefully have transferred temporary ownership/responsibility to another adult then your liability should be limited. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
This is why the talks will get nowhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:49:27 PM
If a kid finds your unsecured gun and hurts somebody?  Sure.  If you purposefully have transferred temporary ownership/responsibility to another adult then your liability should be limited.

Why? They can get their own gun. Your liability is 0 there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Don't tell me what I can and can't do with my own property.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 10, 2014, 02:53:00 PM
If a kid finds your unsecured gun and hurts somebody?  Sure.  If you purposefully have transferred temporary ownership/responsibility to another adult then your liability should be limited. 

I agree with this, as long as the person you are loaning the gun to is over 18 years of age.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 02:53:53 PM
Don't tell me what I can and can't do with my own property.

Exactly. Your property. That comes with responsibilities and liabilities.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 10, 2014, 02:54:21 PM
The loaning thing is completely unreasonable.   

There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

It would be more feasible, though costly, to put metal detectors and guards at all doors of high schools (I know school shootings aren't just at high schools, but the majority are). 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 02:55:17 PM
If a kid finds your unsecured gun and hurts somebody?  Sure.  If you purposefully have transferred temporary ownership/responsibility to another adult then your liability should be limited. 

Yes, this is why the transactions should be registered with the government. Doing this would drastically reduce guns "accidentally" falling into the hands of criminals.


If a kid finds your unsecured gun and hurts somebody?  Sure.  If you purposefully have transferred temporary ownership/responsibility to another adult then your liability should be limited. 

I agree with this, as long as the person you are loaning the gun to is over 18 years of age.

And has a gun-operating license that I also proposed.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
The loaning thing is completely unreasonable.   

There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

I'm not saying limit them - I'm suggesting we register all transactions. If a gun is used in a crime and you didn't report missing or register its transfer, you should face criminal consequences.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 03:00:30 PM
The loaning thing is completely unreasonable.   

There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

I'm not saying limit them - I'm suggesting we register all transactions. If a gun is used in a crime and you didn't report missing or register its transfer, you should face criminal consequences.

How does the registery actually stop the crime?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 03:00:47 PM


There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

I dont' care if it takes 1, 2, 5 years to get them all accounted for. Just give a deadline for people to register their fire arms. I'd even be ok with amnesty for all current illegal guns. Saying it is a lost cause is a cop out. Things take time, I get this. There is no overnight solution. I'm not advocating for any guns being taken away, anything of the sort. Just give people a time frame to register. After that, any guns not registered are illegal.

I'm miffed by a side that seems to be so personal responsibility and pulling one up by their boot straps is so opposite on this issue. Have your guns. Keep your guns. Be responsible. Guns can kill people. When you give a gun to someone you are giving them the power to shoot someone. A power they didn't have previously.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 10, 2014, 03:01:15 PM
you should have to wear the sign of the beast in order to own or operate a gun or make any monetary transaction
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
The loaning thing is completely unreasonable.   

There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

I'm not saying limit them - I'm suggesting we register all transactions. If a gun is used in a crime and you didn't report missing or register its transfer, you should face criminal consequences.

How does the registery actually stop the crime?

It doesn't stop the actual crime, but it reduces the number of guns being "lost" to the black market. According to your stats, that's the second largest category of where criminals receive their guns (it could be the first by now).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 10, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
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we've collectively decided, as a country, that the occasional massacre is okay with us. It's the price we're willing to pay for our precious Second Amendment freedoms. We're content to forfeit the lives of a few dozen schoolkids a year as long as we get to keep our guns. The people have spoken...

given that we've all agreed, if only by our passive acquiescence, not to keep this from happening, can we please quit pretending to care? Let's just skip the histrionics this time: no pro forma shock, condolence photo ops, somber speeches, flags at half-mast, meaningless noises from liberals about legislation, meaningless counter-noises from the NRA about armed guards in elementary schools. Why bother going through the motions of soul-searching when we know very well there's nothing to search? If we can't be brave we might at least be honest: when we see the familiar helicopter shots of ambulances outside a school, the clusters of classmates hugging, the sobbing parents being led away, the makeshift shrines of candles and plush toys, instead of looking stricken or covering our mouths or saying "Oh my God" or "How horrible," let's just all look each other in the eye and say: "crap happens."

http://theweek.com/article/index/262219/there-is-no-catastrophe-so-ghastly-that-america-will-reform-its-gun-laws#axzz33DPsdvL7

i agree with this, even though the writer doesn't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 10, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
The loaning thing is completely unreasonable.   

There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

I'm not saying limit them - I'm suggesting we register all transactions. If a gun is used in a crime and you didn't report missing or register its transfer, you should face criminal consequences.

I know a several ppl that have inherited guns, don't use them, and may not even think to look for them if they were robbed and a bunch of other stuff was taken.  Criminals? 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 10, 2014, 03:13:54 PM
I inherited a 16 gauge and have never had any bullets for it and why the eff can't you sell a gun on craigslist and do any of you gun people want to buy it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 10, 2014, 03:15:16 PM
I inherited a 16 gauge and have never had any bullets for it and why the eff can't you sell a gun on craigslist and do any of you gun people want to buy it?

How registered is it?  Like, a lot?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 03:16:01 PM
The loaning thing is completely unreasonable.   

There are so many guns in the population now, and guns last so long, that doing anything now to limit who has them is all but unenforceable except post-crime, which is meaningless because these school shooters are all killing themselves.

I'm not saying limit them - I'm suggesting we register all transactions. If a gun is used in a crime and you didn't report missing or register its transfer, you should face criminal consequences.

I know a several ppl that have inherited guns, don't use them, and may not even think to look for them if they were robbed and a bunch of other stuff was taken.  Criminals? 



In my theoretical system, reporting the theft would get them off the hook for future bad things done with those guns.

If they didn't report and the gun was used to murder schoolchildren? Then yes, they should face some sort of criminal charge. Even if you inherit guns, you should be responsible enough to notice they've been stolen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 03:16:16 PM
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we've collectively decided, as a country, that the occasional massacre is okay with us. It's the price we're willing to pay for our precious Second Amendment freedoms. We're content to forfeit the lives of a few dozen schoolkids a year as long as we get to keep our guns. The people have spoken...

given that we've all agreed, if only by our passive acquiescence, not to keep this from happening, can we please quit pretending to care? Let's just skip the histrionics this time: no pro forma shock, condolence photo ops, somber speeches, flags at half-mast, meaningless noises from liberals about legislation, meaningless counter-noises from the NRA about armed guards in elementary schools. Why bother going through the motions of soul-searching when we know very well there's nothing to search? If we can't be brave we might at least be honest: when we see the familiar helicopter shots of ambulances outside a school, the clusters of classmates hugging, the sobbing parents being led away, the makeshift shrines of candles and plush toys, instead of looking stricken or covering our mouths or saying "Oh my God" or "How horrible," let's just all look each other in the eye and say: "crap happens."

http://theweek.com/article/index/262219/there-is-no-catastrophe-so-ghastly-that-america-will-reform-its-gun-laws#axzz33DPsdvL7

i agree with this, even though the writer doesn't.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 10, 2014, 03:17:09 PM
I inherited a 16 gauge and have never had any bullets for it and why the eff can't you sell a gun on craigslist and do any of you gun people want to buy it?

How registered is it?  Like, a lot?

am I supposed to register this thing?  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 10, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
I inherited a 16 gauge and have never had any bullets for it and why the eff can't you sell a gun on craigslist and do any of you gun people want to buy it?

How registered is it?  Like, a lot?

am I supposed to register this thing?  :sdeek:

Criminal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on June 10, 2014, 03:38:29 PM
GUNS!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 10, 2014, 04:13:17 PM
I inherited a 16 gauge and have never had any bullets for it and why the eff can't you sell a gun on craigslist and do any of you gun people want to buy it?

Is it a double barrel in good condition?  I'm interested.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 10, 2014, 04:53:29 PM
make possession legal
make selling illegal

the only way to get new guns is for manufacturers to give them away (lol)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
--make possession of one gun legal only if it's super registered, and you pass a shitload of mental health tests, and you wait for like two months, and you can't transfer it to anyone else, and it isn't a weapon capable of shooting 26 little kids in the face.
--everything else is crazy illegal and you spend an insane amount of time in jail if caught with one.

I mean if we're being honest, no civilian really needs more than one gun. Sorry to kill all your weirdo gun boners. Yep, I said it. Boom, roasted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 06:46:29 PM
"But SkinnyBenny I hunt and have 57 different guns for that. How will I ever kill all these different types of animals so I can have weird heads to hang from my wall to freak everyone out?" Dunno. Try it with your one gun. I'll let you choose which one. But if that doesn't work then maybe wrestle them with your bare hands and then if you can kill them that way then go for it, I guess?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 06:47:47 PM
"But SkinnyBenny what about all the different types of handguns I need to protect my family?" Don't know. Whatever you use to hunt large animals would probably work here.  Angry, shotgun-toting farmer dads of hot farmer daughters seem to have this one figured out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 06:48:44 PM
"Hey but what if we need to form a militia against a rogue government?"  Probably not gonna happen. I mean that was written like 900 years ago. Be real. What's far more likely is that someone's going to use that type of weaponry to go into an elementary school and massacre 25 little kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 06:49:42 PM
"But SB what will I take into Chipotle to show off how badass I am?" Beats me. Your one gun and...a slightly bigger camouflage hat this time?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 07:12:23 PM
Ski    Be   ! :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 07:32:52 PM
:D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on June 10, 2014, 08:16:50 PM
Remember, you'll never take the guns. Losers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 10, 2014, 08:18:29 PM
Pfft
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 08:32:21 PM
Remember, you'll never take the guns. Losers.

25 to life if caught
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on June 10, 2014, 08:39:46 PM
why even open this thread? The guns aren't going anywhere people  :zzz:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 09:34:55 PM
why even open this thread? The guns aren't going anywhere people  :zzz:

Jail for p1k3. Sorry bud.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
why even open this thread? The guns aren't going anywhere people  :zzz:

Jail for p1k3. Sorry bud.

I'll send him drawings of parts of guns and bullets over the span of months. So that way he can put them together at night and fap.

ywia p1k3
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 10, 2014, 09:44:59 PM
A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on June 10, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.

this is what i mean. Sorry anti gun zealots. You cant win  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 10, 2014, 09:48:20 PM
A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.
then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 09:49:30 PM
I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
My proposal would not take away any guns you dweebs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Headinjun on June 10, 2014, 09:53:21 PM
I've had an idea were all gun owners are required to be licensed. The license process would include training, proof of mental evaluation, and get this, lessons in empathy. 

Victims of drunk drivers profess their pain at numerous intervention meetings day after day. Why not victims of gun violence, or their family members? 

My idea would also include having a harsh penalty for being in possession of a weapon without a license and also grandfathering in our angry anti-gov bigoted uncles out in western Ks.

I'm also considering an idea where each gun owner is required to carry liability insurance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on June 10, 2014, 09:53:59 PM
to Bubs point: don't at least a decent portion of these mass killers have access to free mental healthcare though?  i know that mens rights weirdo out in california attended the college.  Surely the campus had someone he could talk to if he so chose.

it just seems like if some one is so irrational that they would consider mass murder, that they'd be unlikely to seek professional help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 10, 2014, 09:58:53 PM
to Bubs point: don't at least a decent portion of these mass killers have access to free mental healthcare though?  i know that mens rights weirdo out in california attended the college.  Surely the campus had someone he could talk to if he so chose.

it just seems like if some one is so irrational that they would consider mass murder, that they'd be unlikely to seek professional help.
i'm proposing it as way of showing that they are concerned about gun violence. it would benefit someone, but probably not a mass murderer as you say.

it would also increase the cost of guns which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on June 10, 2014, 09:59:51 PM

A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.
then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.

True, but no one at the NRA really believes any of that.  They do, however, very astutely observe their mouth breathing following and know that they will buy that crap without a second thought...MORE ANNUAL DUES!!!


This is all rough ridin' bullshit.  There should be NO semi-auto weapons in the hands of civilians.  Nor hand guns without strict licensing and background checks....it should be harder to get a CDL than a hand gun or semi-auto rifle.

My Dad is an amazingly accomplished hunter.  I enjoy bird hunting quite a bit, and don't object to deer hunting at all.  At NO point in my fathers life, nor mine, have either of us found it necessary to have a semi-automatic weapon.  Hunters will keep hunting, uninterrupted.

You are a rough ridin' pussy if you need a semi auto weapon/hand gun.  OR you are a would-be mass murderer.




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 10, 2014, 10:01:18 PM
bubs is proposing his version of a sin tax, like they do on cigarettes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on June 10, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
Fake Sugar Dick,

Would you accept making abortions illegal in exchange for outlawing hand guns and semi-auto rifles?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on June 10, 2014, 10:03:16 PM

I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.

"Consequences" don't come into play when you go into the deal ready to die.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 10:09:40 PM

I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.

"Consequences" don't come into play when you go into the deal ready to die.

My idea is a add-on to mich cat's gun registry. If you own a gun and lend it to someone and it is used to commit murder, you are charged as an accessory to murder.

Much in the same way I'm liable for other drivers of my car and what they might do. Much as I'm liable for injuries incurred on my property. Guns are property. If you obtain a gun, use it for your own personal needs, etc, and then give that gun to someone that ends up committing a crime, you should be charged as an accomplice.

Gun rights say that criminals will just find another way to get a gun, etc. I'm not saying that will change that. But knocking out 40% of the way that criminals are procuring fire arms seems like a hell of a start to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on June 10, 2014, 10:12:25 PM


I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.

"Consequences" don't come into play when you go into the deal ready to die.

My idea is a add-on to mich cat's gun registry. If you own a gun and lend it to someone and it is used to commit murder, you are charged as an accessory to murder.

Much in the same way I'm liable for other drivers of my car and what they might do. Much as I'm liable for injuries incurred on my property. Guns are property. If you obtain a gun, use it for your own personal needs, etc, and then give that gun to someone that ends up committing a crime, you should be charged as an accomplice.

Gun rights say that criminals will just find another way to get a gun, etc. I'm not saying that will change that. But knocking out 40% of the way that criminals are procuring fire arms seems like a hell of a start to me.

I support that.  Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on June 10, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
I'd be up for rigorous licensing of guns, and if you are found with an unlicensed gun you go to jail.

That way, when bad guys are found with illegal guns, we have one more thing to nail them on.

Meanwhile, my Dad and I are off enjoying some clay pigeon shooting with our over/unders and sighting in the rifles out by the pond damn, with our perfectly legal, registered, fire arms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
I'd be up for rigorous licensing of guns, and if you are found with an unlicensed gun you go to jail.

That way, when bad guys are found with illegal guns, we have one more thing to nail them on.

Meanwhile, my Dad and I are off enjoying some clay pigeon shooting with our over/unders and sighting in the rifles out by the pond damn, with our perfectly legal, registered, fire arms.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 10, 2014, 10:29:16 PM

A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.
then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.

True, but no one at the NRA really believes any of that.  They do, however, very astutely observe their mouth breathing following and know that they will buy that crap without a second thought...MORE ANNUAL DUES!!!


This is all rough ridin' bullshit.  There should be NO semi-auto weapons in the hands of civilians.  Nor hand guns without strict licensing and background checks....it should be harder to get a CDL than a hand gun or semi-auto rifle.

My Dad is an amazingly accomplished hunter.  I enjoy bird hunting quite a bit, and don't object to deer hunting at all.  At NO point in my fathers life, nor mine, have either of us found it necessary to have a semi-automatic weapon.  Hunters will keep hunting, uninterrupted.

You are a rough ridin' pussy if you need a semi auto weapon/hand gun.  OR you are a would-be mass murderer.

Pete is spot on
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 10, 2014, 10:45:16 PM
Yup. Also I love when gun nuts respond to school shootings by throwing their hands up and go, "Well? Nothing we can do, I mean everybody's gonna have guns! Mental health, now that's the answer!" And then they offer no actual solutions about what 'mental health solutions' mean or what that would look like, or how to implement it, or any statistics that could predict what impact it might actually have. Basically I just kinda find it entertaining to watch them accept none of the blame and offer absolutely no solutions. I mean it might even be funny except for the fact that while this is happening, kids keep getting shot in the head.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 10, 2014, 10:50:37 PM
Maybe Rev Front will make its way over. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on June 10, 2014, 10:53:10 PM
Much in the same way I'm liable for other drivers of my car and what they might do...
You keep saying this and I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on June 10, 2014, 11:47:27 PM

A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.
then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.

True, but no one at the NRA really believes any of that.  They do, however, very astutely observe their mouth breathing following and know that they will buy that crap without a second thought...MORE ANNUAL DUES!!!


This is all rough ridin' bullshit.  There should be NO semi-auto weapons in the hands of civilians.  Nor hand guns without strict licensing and background checks....it should be harder to get a CDL than a hand gun or semi-auto rifle.

My Dad is an amazingly accomplished hunter.  I enjoy bird hunting quite a bit, and don't object to deer hunting at all.  At NO point in my fathers life, nor mine, have either of us found it necessary to have a semi-automatic weapon.  Hunters will keep hunting, uninterrupted.

You are a rough ridin' pussy if you need a semi auto weapon/hand gun.  OR you are a would-be mass murderer.

Pete is spot on

I don't see a problem with people having semi-automatic weapons in their home. I don't think they are pussies for having them either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 11, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
We should require liability insurance of at least $200 million that would go to the family of a victim that is killed by your gun. If your gun is used to commit a crime and you don't have insurance, minimum 20 years in prison.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 08:09:26 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on June 11, 2014, 08:11:31 AM
People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for decades for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 11, 2014, 08:12:30 AM
People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 08:20:56 AM
People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime. :dunno:

Loaning someone a deer rifle to go deer hunting doesn't make them an accessory.  :jerk:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 11, 2014, 08:31:04 AM
People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime. :dunno:

Loaning someone a deer rifle to go deer hunting doesn't make them an accessory.  :jerk:

It kind of does. Why does this guy need your rifle? Does he not own one? Does he even know how to use this rifle? Did you give him any sort of a background check before placing the power of life and death in this wacko's hands?

I would prefer to just go the insurance route. If you have the insurance to pay the victim of your gun's family $200 million, you can go about your business. Good luck keeping your insurance. Otherwise, go to jail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 08:37:25 AM
People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime. :dunno:

Loaning someone a deer rifle to go deer hunting doesn't make them an accessory.  :jerk:

It kind of does. Why does this guy need your rifle? Does he not own one? Does he even know how to use this rifle? Did you give him any sort of a background check before placing the power of life and death in this wacko's hands?

I would prefer to just go the insurance route. If you have the insurance to pay the victim of your gun's family $200 million, you can go about your business. Good luck keeping your insurance. Otherwise, go to jail.

You're an idiot and not worth arguing with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
I would like to clear up the idea that loaning your car to someone who then commits a crime makes you liable for the crime.  It doesn't unless you knew the crime was going to be committed, if you knew that person didn't have a license, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 11, 2014, 09:19:06 AM
I would like to clear up the idea that loaning your car to someone who then commits a crime makes you liable for the crime.  It doesn't unless you knew the crime was going to be committed, if you knew that person didn't have a license, etc.
One time I loaned my car to my gf when her car was in the shop and she hit a bird and killed it. Should I feel guilty about this or is this solely on her? TIA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 11, 2014, 09:39:28 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

How many 25 to life sentences would the car owner serve?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 09:53:09 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

Because there is no deep pocket to sue with insurance out of the picture and the school shooter dead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 09:54:41 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

Because there is no deep pocket to sue with insurance out of the picture and the school shooter dead.

So the law is the same.  Got it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 09:56:04 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

Because there is no deep pocket to sue with insurance out of the picture and the school shooter dead.

So the law is the same.  Got it.

No clue, but would assume that you could sue whoever you want in civil court.  Just wasting your time unless Adam Lanza(SP) was loaned guns by some millionaire.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 10:14:20 AM
You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

this isn't accurate. different venues have different laws re. this. in NY you are somewhat correct. In TX you are not. in some states you and your insurance would have no exposure. in some your insurance would. in some you would split the tab with the driver insurance, in some one would pay first and the other second, etc. there aren't many instances where you are personally vicariously liable for damages caused by someone using your auto unless you can be found negligent in allowing them to operate it (like you knowlingly handed the keys to a drunk person who then got into an accident).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 10:21:13 AM
I'm going to start buying guns guys. First purchase:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_khZ9Z3kepXo/TLY0iSxOwMI/AAAAAAAAAfA/Hr1kW_h6Fuw/s1600/Baby_Desert_Eagle.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 10:23:57 AM
sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 10:29:56 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 10:31:27 AM
sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

I don't think I should own any bullets, sd. But in case someone breaks into my home, I'd like to be able to pistol whip. na'mean? :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 11, 2014, 10:33:46 AM
sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

I don't think I should own any bullets, sd. But in case someone breaks into my home, I'd like to be able to pistol whip. na'mean? :D

No worries. A 16 gauge can not shoot bullets.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 10:35:18 AM
sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

I don't think I should own any bullets, sd. But in case someone breaks into my home, I'd like to be able to pistol whip. na'mean? :D

No worries. A 16 gauge can not shoot bullets.

I know. I don't know if you caught the part about SD asking 250% for it, I was replying to his first point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 10:43:59 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 10:45:37 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 10:48:38 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

Look what's happening in NY.  It's a problem they made that they're going to have to deal with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on June 11, 2014, 10:55:11 AM
seems like you should just blast them if they're trying that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 10:57:17 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

Look what's happening in NY.  It's a problem they made that they're going to have to deal with.

Not sure exactly what's happening in New York but again a registry is not what would enable the "wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:01:58 AM
I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

Look what's happening in NY.  It's a problem they made that they're going to have to deal with.

Not sure exactly what's happening in New York but again a registry is not what would enable the "wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens".

RE:  NY SAFE Act

Requires creation of a registry of assault weapons. Those New Yorkers who already own such weapons would be required to register their guns with the state. Registry began on April 15, 2013 and must be completed before April 15, 2014.[9]
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:04:32 AM
So when did the government take them away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:08:38 AM
So when did the government take them away

Well, there are literally thousands of people that didn't register.  That's the problem I'm alluding to.  Who knows what they do next?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:15:45 AM
So when did the government take them away

Well, there are literally thousands of people that didn't register.  That's the problem I'm alluding to.  Who knows what they do next?

Is the problem you are alluding to the fact that there are thousands of irresponsible gun owners in New York?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:19:51 AM
So when did the government take them away

Well, there are literally thousands of people that didn't register.  That's the problem I'm alluding to.  Who knows what they do next?

Is the problem you are alluding to the fact that there are thousands of irresponsible gun owners in New York?

What makes them irresponsible?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:21:30 AM
They didn't register their firearms. They clearly don't care about their guns falling into the wrong hands.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:24:52 AM
Also, I think a state level registry is pretty useless, although it's a start.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:25:38 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:33:19 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times. Maybe you're really this stupid, but here it is again: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:34:58 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

I think if they are in a SAFE you should be SAFE from counting every night. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

I think if they are in a SAFE you should be SAFE from counting every night. :dunno:

Who's to say?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

I think if they are in a SAFE you should be SAFE from counting every night. :dunno:

Who's to say?   :dunno:

Gun owners that don't tell other people their combinations or give their keys away? :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 11:39:29 AM
Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

How often are guns are stolen from properly used safes without any evidence?

 I mean, I guess it's possible, but it has to be pretty rare.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 11:47:54 AM
Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 12:01:17 PM
Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

That's pretty irresponsible, but they'd probably be ok if they reported as soon as they got back. Plus who uses an assault weapon (as defined by the NY law) as a CCW?

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales

A registry would make the straw sale ban easier to enforce. (Also straw sales are legal for all sales at non federally regulated dealerships).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 11, 2014, 12:28:13 PM
Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 12:33:57 PM
Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

That's pretty irresponsible, but they'd probably be ok if they reported as soon as they got back. Plus who uses an assault weapon (as defined by the NY law) as a CCW?

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales

A registry would make the straw sale ban easier to enforce. (Also straw sales are legal for all sales at non federally regulated dealerships).

I'm talking straw sales that happen as a direct way to avoid the FFL check.  Again, I'd be okay with some sort of transfer check, but no registry.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 12:40:45 PM
Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 11, 2014, 12:43:00 PM

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

Sure, you can't charge them with murder/robbery etc. But you can charge with some form of severe criminal negligence.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 12:45:37 PM

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

Sure, you can't charge them with murder/robbery etc. But you can charge with some form of severe criminal negligence.


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This is just silly.  Criminal charges for someone not committing a crime. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 11, 2014, 12:48:00 PM

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   :rolleyes:

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

Sure, you can't charge them with murder/robbery etc. But you can charge with some form of severe criminal negligence.


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This is just silly.  Criminal charges for someone not committing a crime.

I would argue that negligent weapon ownership is criminal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 12:50:34 PM
If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 11, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff

This already happens like a million times a day in this country
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 12:55:15 PM
I'm talking straw sales that happen as a direct way to avoid the FFL check.  Again, I'd be okay with some sort of transfer check, but no registry.   

What does this transfer check entail, and how would it reduce the flow of firearms into the wrong hands?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff



Or maybe we could just make it illegal for negligent gun owners to purchase or own guns. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:02:33 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:08:16 PM
I'm talking straw sales that happen as a direct way to avoid the FFL check.  Again, I'd be okay with some sort of transfer check, but no registry.   

What does this transfer check entail, and how would it reduce the flow of firearms into the wrong hands?

The same process one goes through to buy a gun through a dealership.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 01:11:19 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

If you are talking about me:

1. I am not a crazy gun guy. I am fine to have something added to our society that will help prevent gun violence.  However, I feel like most of what has been discussed is unreasonable to implement.

2. I wouldn't be mentioning charging ppl with crimes if it hadn't been mentioned as a suggestion by others.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:13:16 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

If you are talking about me:

1. I am not a crazy gun guy. I am fine to have something added to our society that will help prevent gun violence.  However, I feel like most of what has been discussed is unreasonable to implement.

2. I wouldn't be mentioning charging ppl with crimes if it hadn't been mentioned as a suggestion by others.

I'm talking about multiple people in this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 01:14:07 PM
If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff



Or maybe we could just make it illegal for negligent gun owners to purchase or own guns. :dunno:


OK.  What makes them negligent before owning a gun that they could pass to a person that could do harm?  Hypothetically negligent?  Are we only talking about ppl that have shown past actual negligence in loaning out guns all willy nilly?  I mean, I am fully on board with those couple thousand ppl not having guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 01:21:38 PM
  Are we only talking about ppl that have shown past actual negligence in loaning out guns all willy nilly?  I mean, I am fully on board with those couple thousand ppl not having guns.

Yes, this is who we're talking about, with possible worse consequences depending on the ultimate crime and whether the original owner was simply negligent or actively selling firearms to people who use them to commit crimes. And I think a registry is a great first step to finding negligent (and worse) owners and encouraging gun owners to be a little more careful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:22:05 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:23:07 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on June 11, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
what was the NY problem again?  that not everyone is self-registering as required by law?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:25:23 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 01:26:35 PM
  Are we only talking about ppl that have shown past actual negligence in loaning out guns all willy nilly?  I mean, I am fully on board with those couple thousand ppl not having guns.

Yes, this is who we're talking about, with possible worse consequences depending on the ultimate crime and whether the original owner was simply negligent or actively selling firearms to people who use them to commit crimes. And I think a registry is a great first step to finding negligent (and worse) owners and encouraging gun owners to be a little more careful.

Yeah, am fine with this.  Is this actually going to prevent anything though?  I mean, do many of the ppl that owned the guns that were used in the last year's worth of school shootings have a past instance of negligently loaning out firearms prior to those school shootings?   I am fine with them no longer having the right to own guns afterward, but again, what does that prevent if the person in their life that would carry out such an act also killed themselves during the act?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:

When they refused to register their firearms (as required by law) they stopped being law-abiding citizens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on June 11, 2014, 01:26:58 PM
And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:

well, formerly law-abiding
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 11, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
If you lower the speed limit, you can't go the old limit and claim to be law abiding, jfc emo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:32:45 PM
And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:33:47 PM
you could tell when he started his post with "And folks" he thought he was case close'ing this thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 11, 2014, 01:35:17 PM
I think you should be able to have guns unless you say something like "They'll never take my guns!" Then I think we should come take your guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
I think you should be able to have guns unless you say something like "They'll never take my guns!" Then I think we should come take your guns.

yes, agree here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
I think you should be able to have guns unless you say something like "They'll never take my guns!" Then I think we should come take your guns.

I could get behind this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:37:29 PM
You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf.

yes, if you break gun laws that should be an option, just like felons not being allowed to have guns. the barrier your brain (and other gun people's) has put up to thinking about this topic logically is astounding.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on June 11, 2014, 01:40:02 PM
And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

I'm guessing the thinking is that by registering that the gov has a ready-made list of names and addresses of the people with guns. So whenever the time came they could easily ride in and take the people's guns away from them. I'm also guessing that by having firearms registered, the thought is owners would keep better tabs on their guns, because if a crime was committed with their gun then they would be liable.

There is probably some truth to both of these. The only thing I vehemently disagree with is the thought that any of these things should begin at a federal level.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
the thought is owners would keep better tabs on their guns, because if a crime was committed with their gun then they would be liable.

I think people potentially keeping better control of their firearms is one benefit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf.

yes, if you break gun laws that should be an option, just like felons not being allowed to have guns. the barrier your brain (and other gun people's) has put up to thinking about this topic logically is astounding.

I'm just clarifying why people think that, which is what you were asking for. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:45:27 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

Are there border checkpoints surrounding Colorado?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 11, 2014, 01:46:13 PM
You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf. 

I think the violent reaction some gun owners have to even discussing gun control weirds people out more than anything else.

I think people should have the personal freedom to own a gun, but if you are acting psychotically pumped about owning said guns and are very gun nutty then you kinda scare me and I sorta don't want you to have any guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 01:47:20 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on June 11, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 01:47:58 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

Are there border checkpoints surrounding Colorado?

Come back when you're done with throwing out red herrings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 01:50:12 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 01:52:00 PM
Ps. Emo totally thought about my border control comment in the opposite that I meant it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on June 11, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?

They don't have to, but they can if they choose too. That's kind of the point. Choice. A federal law requiring all states to comply with the choice that your hypothetical state has made eliminates all choice from any state that opposes the federal law. You, of course, see no problem with this, because you agree with the hypothetical prevailing thought. You wouldn't be so quick to any federal laws if your thoughts were that of your perceived minority.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of much being handled on the federal level.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?

What's rational for one state isn't rational for every state.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?

They don't have to, but they can if they choose too. That's kind of the point. Choice. A federal law requiring all states to comply with the choice that your hypothetical state has made eliminates all choice from any state that opposes the federal law. You, of course, see no problem with this, because you agree with the hypothetical prevailing thought. You wouldn't be so quick to any federal laws if your thoughts were that of your perceived minority.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of much being handled on the federal level.


Thanks for explaining how federal and state laws work, but a gun registration program has to be federal or it will be completely ineffective.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 02:08:46 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?

They don't have to, but they can if they choose too. That's kind of the point. Choice. A federal law requiring all states to comply with the choice that your hypothetical state has made eliminates all choice from any state that opposes the federal law. You, of course, see no problem with this, because you agree with the hypothetical prevailing thought. You wouldn't be so quick to any federal laws if your thoughts were that of your perceived minority.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of much being handled on the federal level.

Democracy?  Everyone isn't going to be happy with every law.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Because there is no way of enforcing the FFL process for private sales without registration of the firearm. If you sell to a bad guy without executing the FFL, how would the gun ever be traced back to you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 02:36:40 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Because there is no way of enforcing the FFL process for private sales without registration of the firearm. If you sell to a bad guy without executing the FFL, how would the gun ever be traced back to you?

The same question applies to guns sold through dealerships today which I understand you don't have a problem with (maybe I'm wrong).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Because there is no way of enforcing the FFL process for private sales without registration of the firearm. If you sell to a bad guy without executing the FFL, how would the gun ever be traced back to you?

The same question applies to guns sold through dealerships today which I understand you don't have a problem with (maybe I'm wrong).

uh, yeah. I think that's too lenient.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 11, 2014, 02:58:24 PM
Yup. Also I love when gun nuts respond to school shootings by throwing their hands up and go, "Well? Nothing we can do, I mean everybody's gonna have guns!" . . . And then they offer no actual solutions. Basically I just kinda find it entertaining to watch them accept none of the blame and offer absolutely no solutions. I mean it might even be funny except for the fact that while this is happening, kids keep getting shot in the head.


Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on June 11, 2014, 03:01:49 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?

They don't have to, but they can if they choose too. That's kind of the point. Choice. A federal law requiring all states to comply with the choice that your hypothetical state has made eliminates all choice from any state that opposes the federal law. You, of course, see no problem with this, because you agree with the hypothetical prevailing thought. You wouldn't be so quick to any federal laws if your thoughts were that of your perceived minority.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of much being handled on the federal level.


Thanks for explaining how federal and state laws work, but a gun registration program has to be federal or it will be completely ineffective.

Then I guess it shouldn't happen at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 03:03:58 PM
It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

To be clear, I'm not a big fan of much of anything being federal. Setting up border checkpoints or whatever else they feel would be necessary is their choice.

So because a state wants to have a rational take on gun control they should have to defend their borders from neighboring states that don't?

They don't have to, but they can if they choose too. That's kind of the point. Choice. A federal law requiring all states to comply with the choice that your hypothetical state has made eliminates all choice from any state that opposes the federal law. You, of course, see no problem with this, because you agree with the hypothetical prevailing thought. You wouldn't be so quick to any federal laws if your thoughts were that of your perceived minority.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of much being handled on the federal level.


Thanks for explaining how federal and state laws work, but a gun registration program has to be federal or it will be completely ineffective.

Then I guess it shouldn't happen at all.

That's a really stupid way to look at it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on June 11, 2014, 03:10:44 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?
While I agree with your general point, the charging gun owners with crimes thing (and make all gun owners keep 200million in liability insurance (wtf lol)) was advanced by anti gun folks itt.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 11, 2014, 03:15:33 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Confirmed. Clearly everything is going great and there's no problem with gun violence in America. We should change nothing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Confirmed. Clearly everything is going great and there's no problem with gun violence in America. We should change nothing.

Chicago has changed lots of things about owning guns, making it a lot harder.  Pretty much hasn't made much of a dent on things there.

Overall, gun violence is on a 20 year downward trend.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2014, 03:22:37 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Confirmed. Clearly everything is going great and there's no problem with gun violence in America. We should change nothing.

Chicago has changed lots of things about owning guns, making it a lot harder.  Pretty much hasn't made much of a dent on things there.

Overall, gun violence is on a 20 year downward trend.



local or state efforts to control or even track guns will always be pretty much worthless in this country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 11, 2014, 03:23:36 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?
While I agree with your general point, the charging gun owners with crimes thing (and make all gun owners keep 200million in liability insurance (wtf lol)) was advanced by anti gun folks itt.
they don't get charged for merely being a gun owner.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?
While I agree with your general point, the charging gun owners with crimes thing (and make all gun owners keep 200million in liability insurance (wtf lol)) was advanced by anti gun folks itt.
they don't get charged for merely being a gun owner.

they're never gonna take dlew's guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 11, 2014, 03:58:56 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Confirmed. Clearly everything is going great and there's no problem with gun violence in America. We should change nothing.

That's not what I said and you know it.  I was speaking specific to the FFL process.  Quit making these straw man arguments.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on June 11, 2014, 04:42:02 PM
it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?
While I agree with your general point, the charging gun owners with crimes thing (and make all gun owners keep 200million in liability insurance (wtf lol)) was advanced by anti gun folks itt.
they don't get charged for merely being a gun owner.

they're never gonna take dlew's guns
I'd like to see them try.  Would take a small army IMO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 11, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Confirmed. Clearly everything is going great and there's no problem with gun violence in America. We should change nothing.

Chicago has changed lots of things about owning guns, making it a lot harder.  Pretty much hasn't made much of a dent on things there.

Overall, gun violence is on a 20 year downward trend.

yeah, i mean it's not like 10 minutes away you can buy a gun in the suburbs
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 11, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

I'm guessing the thinking is that by registering that the gov has a ready-made list of names and addresses of the people with guns. So whenever the time came they could easily ride in and take the people's guns away from them. I'm also guessing that by having firearms registered, the thought is owners would keep better tabs on their guns, because if a crime was committed with their gun then they would be liable.

There is probably some truth to both of these. The only thing I vehemently disagree with is the thought that any of these things should begin at a federal level.

No dummies believe this anymore, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 11, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   :runaway:

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  :sdeek: . is this an nra talking point or something?

I'm guessing the thinking is that by registering that the gov has a ready-made list of names and addresses of the people with guns. So whenever the time came they could easily ride in and take the people's guns away from them. I'm also guessing that by having firearms registered, the thought is owners would keep better tabs on their guns, because if a crime was committed with their gun then they would be liable.

There is probably some truth to both of these. The only thing I vehemently disagree with is the thought that any of these things should begin at a federal level.

No dummies believe this anymore, right?

I bet at least 10 people who have posted in this thread do
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 06:23:32 PM
I'd say closer to 5, but I agree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 06wildcat on June 11, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
The more the nuts resist needed reforms, the more likely it is public opinion will swing all the way to strict prohibition.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on June 11, 2014, 08:46:57 PM
I think it would be much more practical to effect the ammuntion
side of the equation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 11, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Not an expert here,  but I'm fairly certain it is much easier to fabricate ammunition than it is a firearm.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: RickRampus on June 11, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
define firearm, cause i can put a bottle rocket in an iron pipe, like, yesterday
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on June 11, 2014, 10:45:02 PM
I think it would be much more practical to effect the ammuntion
side of the equation.
I'm the biggest supporter in the world of making lead bullets illegal.  Biggest soft bullet proponent I know.

It's the best and easiest solution.  Last year I was so confident that this would be the answer that I started trying to research rubber bullet producers to invest in them, but then i got bored so i stopped.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on June 12, 2014, 02:44:18 AM
I think it would be much more practical to effect the ammuntion
side of the equation.
I'm the biggest supporter in the world of making lead bullets illegal.  Biggest soft bullet proponent I know.

It's the best and easiest solution.  Last year I was so confident that this would be the answer that I started trying to research rubber bullet producers to invest in them, but then i got bored so i stopped.

I'm on board. Boy Dlew, this makes me very reminiscent of how #teamhubert was started......
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 12, 2014, 06:28:27 AM
I think it would be much more practical to effect the ammuntion
side of the equation.
I'm the biggest supporter in the world of making lead bullets illegal.  Biggest soft bullet proponent I know.

It's the best and easiest solution.  Last year I was so confident that this would be the answer that I started trying to research rubber bullet producers to invest in them, but then i got bored so i stopped.

There is a Colorado start up that is doing a couple new bullets that spread out when shot into a circle, tied together with a type of string or something. I read an article on them last fall.  Basically, their idea is that the spreading bullet makes intruders easier to hit when you are dead ass tired at three in the morning and just woke up to shoot someone who just broke into your house.  A side effect is that the bullets have much, much less force and mostly just cause damage not death unless at very close range.

Seems like a good happy medium btwn the rubber bullets ppl and the I still want to shoot ppl lots crowd.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 12, 2014, 07:57:16 AM
I think it would be much more practical to effect the ammuntion
side of the equation.
I'm the biggest supporter in the world of making lead bullets illegal.  Biggest soft bullet proponent I know.

It's the best and easiest solution.  Last year I was so confident that this would be the answer that I started trying to research rubber bullet producers to invest in them, but then i got bored so i stopped.

There is a Colorado start up that is doing a couple new bullets that spread out when shot into a circle, tied together with a type of string or something. I read an article on them last fall.  Basically, their idea is that the spreading bullet makes intruders easier to hit when you are dead ass tired at three in the morning and just woke up to shoot someone who just broke into your house.  A side effect is that the bullets have much, much less force and mostly just cause damage not death unless at very close range.

Seems like a good happy medium btwn the rubber bullets ppl and the I still want to shoot ppl lots crowd.  :dunno:

I don't give much consideration to this crowd's feelings
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 12, 2014, 08:40:32 AM
I think it would be much more practical to effect the ammuntion
side of the equation.
I'm the biggest supporter in the world of making lead bullets illegal.  Biggest soft bullet proponent I know.

It's the best and easiest solution.  Last year I was so confident that this would be the answer that I started trying to research rubber bullet producers to invest in them, but then i got bored so i stopped.

There is a Colorado start up that is doing a couple new bullets that spread out when shot into a circle, tied together with a type of string or something. I read an article on them last fall.  Basically, their idea is that the spreading bullet makes intruders easier to hit when you are dead ass tired at three in the morning and just woke up to shoot someone who just broke into your house.  A side effect is that the bullets have much, much less force and mostly just cause damage not death unless at very close range.

Seems like a good happy medium btwn the rubber bullets ppl and the I still want to shoot ppl lots crowd.  :dunno:

I don't give much consideration to this crowd's feelings

No one is worried about anyone's feelings, just their votes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 12, 2014, 10:33:34 AM
Oh man, can you imagine how many fewer kindergarteners would die from gunshot wounds to the face if you were only allowed to use rubber bullets? It would be amazing. It's just too bad one side is completely unwilling to compromise at all in any way whatsoever. Sorry kids. :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 12, 2014, 10:44:49 AM
Oh man, can you imagine how many fewer kindergarteners would die from gunshot wounds to the face if you were only allowed to use rubber bullets? It would be amazing. It's just too bad one side is completely unwilling to compromise at all in any way whatsoever. Sorry kids. :frown:

More stupid straw man arguments.  GTFOOH with this trash.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 12, 2014, 11:04:16 AM
Oh man, can you imagine how many fewer kindergarteners would die from gunshot wounds to the face if you were only allowed to use rubber bullets? It would be amazing. It's just too bad one side is completely unwilling to compromise at all in any way whatsoever. Sorry kids. :frown:

More stupid straw man arguments.  GTFOOH with this trash.

I'm not sure you understand what a straw man is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 12, 2014, 11:14:02 AM
define firearm, cause i can put a bottle rocket in an iron pipe, like, yesterday

that will be totally fine
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 12, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
define firearm, cause i can put a bottle rocket in an iron pipe, like, yesterday

that will be totally fine

Actually, the Kansas government has taken that gun away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 12, 2014, 11:47:05 AM
Decent point.  why don't gun nuts get all crazy about the ban on fireworks?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 12, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Decent point.  why don't gun nuts get all crazy about the ban on fireworks?

State values roofs more than kindergarteners,  obvsly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 12, 2014, 01:18:44 PM
Decent point.  why don't gun nuts get all crazy about the ban on fireworks?

Because we all know a guy.  You don't know a guy?  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on June 12, 2014, 02:27:08 PM
The more the nuts resist needed reforms, the more likely it is public opinion will swing all the way to strict prohibition.

I really don't think you'll ever take the guns. Sorry  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 02:33:55 PM
pike, how would you like to be the proud owner of a really cherry 16 gauge? wow, this gun! basically shows everyone how big your balls and ball shaft are! nobody is going to ever pick on you again! this thing shoots people in the face completely dead for all I know! amazing! who's the big man now everyone! this guy with this gun from the looks of things! what's that tough guy? I can't hear you because I'm shooting bullets all at you! anyway, PM if interested this thing is hot to unload onto someone for cash money.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 12, 2014, 02:35:29 PM
I'm seriously waiting for specs on this thing, sd.  Any chance it's Spanish?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 02:36:26 PM
I'm seriously waiting for specs on this thing, sd.  Any chance it's Spanish?

is remington a spanish name?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
holy lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 02:39:09 PM
I'm seriously waiting for specs on this thing, sd.  Any chance it's Spanish?

is remington a spanish name?

spanish for badass
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 12, 2014, 02:58:10 PM
How good is this gun at standing it's ground?  I mean, any gun can just blast folks all willy nilly, but what kind of mettle is it made of when there is someone with a hoodie on in the area or if someone's car stereo is entirely too loud?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
Usually it will tell you on the package how good it is at blowing holes in peoples faces. If you want a bigger hole, you can buy different "chokes". I've found that a bigger choke helps me stand my ground better and really blow giant holes in several people at time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 12, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
Are the barrels any good for shooting bottle rockets?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
guys, this thing is the truck nuts of guns (or more truck nuts than other guns anyway). it's like 5 feet long. it's good for all that probably.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 03:10:01 PM
primary material: STEEL! (or some other metal)
secondary material: ROCK HARD OAK! (or some other wood)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 03:11:14 PM
can you post a picture of it please for the lols
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 03:11:54 PM
can you post a picture of it please for the lols

yes, but it's NSFW. will take some pics tonight.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 03:12:35 PM
can you post a picture of it please for the lols

yes, but it's NSFW. will take some pics tonight.

understood
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 12, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
pike, how would you like to be the proud owner of a really cherry 16 gauge? wow, this gun! basically shows everyone how big your balls and ball shaft are! nobody is going to ever pick on you again! this thing shoots people in the face completely dead for all I know! amazing! who's the big man now everyone! this guy with this gun from the looks of things! what's that tough guy? I can't hear you because I'm shooting bullets all at you! anyway, PM if interested this thing is hot to unload onto someone for cash money.

How many confirmed kills?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 12, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
if it's a side by side and belonged to sd's grandfather, i might buy it, if it's really cheap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 12, 2014, 06:27:16 PM
I'm selling an 870 youth model for very cheap. I'm also selling a ruger 10/22 for a fair price. It comes with 10, 25, and 30 round clips.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 07:34:14 PM
This site is not turning into craigslist for everyone's dumb gun collection. Only sd gets to sell his because of the lols involved.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 12, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
This site is not turning into craigslist for everyone's dumb gun collection. Only sd gets to sell his because of the lols involved.

bubbles can sell anything he rough ridin' wants and if you don't like it just talk to his rough ridin' guns bad person
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
This site is not turning into craigslist for everyone's dumb gun collection. Only sd gets to sell his because of the lols involved.

bubbles can sell anything he rough ridin' wants and if you don't like it just talk to his rough ridin' guns bad person

 :emawkid:

I like your zeal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/4asy3e7e.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/ha3uhyje.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 08:05:57 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/usa8esup.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 08:06:08 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/5y5a4ade.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 08:06:16 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
My peen has never felt bigger than when I was handling this grade A piece of American death in my hands on my deck just now. Wow!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 12, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
Beautiful. You could so stand your ground.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 12, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
21 inch barrel on the youth model. Any shorter and it would be illegal! Easiest handling home protection shotgun available. Buy my gun  and enjoy the best sleep you've had since you learned to fear minorities.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 12, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
21 inch barrel on the youth model. Any shorter and it would be illegal! Easiest handling home protection shotgun available. Buy my gun  and enjoy the best sleep you've had since you learned to fear minorities.

Would it fit in my pillow case at night?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 12, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
I will give you both $35.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 12, 2014, 09:10:22 PM
I am perfectly mentally healthy and would shoot a bunch of rubber bullets at the first faces applicable if provided buy others (bullets,  not faces).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 13, 2014, 07:49:03 AM
That's an interesting shotgun, sd.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2014, 08:55:37 AM
That's an interesting shotgun, sd.  :thumbs:

how much?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 13, 2014, 09:05:54 AM
21 inch barrel on the youth model. Any shorter and it would be illegal! Easiest handling home protection shotgun available. Buy my gun  and enjoy the best sleep you've had since you learned to fear minorities.

Would it fit in my pillow case at night?
yes, it would!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on June 13, 2014, 09:30:24 AM
pro-tip: if a gun doesn't fit in your pillowcase you can always saw stuff off to make it fit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 13, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
I stayed at my buddies place one time when I was pretty drunk right by UMKC. I was talking to some floozy that night on the phone and laying on the couch. I started to eff around and I put my hand under the couch. When all of a sudden, BOOM! A hand gun fully loaded.  :ohno: It was his roommates. Scared the crap out of me, cause I was like, "Wtf do you need a hand gun under the couch? WTF are you into?"

I don't know if this story appeals to this discussion, but I wanted to share it. Happy Friday!  :)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 13, 2014, 09:38:29 AM
pro-tip: if a gun doesn't fit in your pillowcase you can always saw stuff off to make it fit
getting a longer pillow is the legal option.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 13, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
I bet that thing doesn't even shoot anymore it looks so old balls
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2014, 09:43:39 AM
I bet that thing doesn't even shoot anymore it looks so old balls

TRY SAYING THAT TO MY FACE WHILE I'M AIMING THE SHOOTING END OF MY GUN AT YOU!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 13, 2014, 09:48:33 AM
I bet that thing doesn't even shoot anymore it looks so old balls

TRY SAYING THAT TO MY FACE WHILE I'M AIMING THE SHOOTING END OF MY GUN AT YOU!

Have you even shot anyone with it in the last 100 years?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
I bet that thing doesn't even shoot anymore it looks so old balls

TRY SAYING THAT TO MY FACE WHILE I'M AIMING THE SHOOTING END OF MY GUN AT YOU!

Have you even shot anyone with it in the last 100 years?

not me personally but it's seen some action. when I run my hands over it I feel very powerful so I'm guessing it's the souls of the victims which it has absorbed to become more powerful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 13, 2014, 10:24:16 AM
I bet that thing doesn't even shoot anymore it looks so old balls

TRY SAYING THAT TO MY FACE WHILE I'M AIMING THE SHOOTING END OF MY GUN AT YOU!

Have you even shot anyone with it in the last 100 years?

not me personally but it's seen some action. when I run my hands over it I feel very powerful so I'm guessing it's the souls of the victims which it has absorbed to become more powerful.

Well now I'm interested.  I already have a shotgun though.  will owning more than one gun make me feel more powerful even though I can really only possibly use one at a time?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 13, 2014, 10:26:07 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B7ZmJJY_wx8/UBaPEyzDpCI/AAAAAAAAF98/R4iPSRtvbf4/s1600/taliban.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 13, 2014, 10:47:30 AM
I stayed at my buddies place one time when I was pretty drunk right by UMKC. I was talking to some floozy that night on the phone and laying on the couch. I started to eff around and I put my hand under the couch. When all of a sudden, BOOM! A hand gun fully loaded.  :ohno: It was his roommates. Scared the crap out of me, cause I was like, "Wtf do you need a hand gun under the couch? WTF are you into?"

I don't know if this story appeals to this discussion, but I wanted to share it. Happy Friday!  :)

WC, if you were a 3 year old and had a 1 year old sibling, you would have made the news.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 13, 2014, 11:01:06 AM
Yeah, stealing that gun would have been the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on June 13, 2014, 12:22:50 PM
Maybe its just the gun, but that frog chair looks pretty badass.  How much for it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 13, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
I stayed at my buddies place one time when I was pretty drunk right by UMKC. I was talking to some floozy that night on the phone and laying on the couch. I started to eff around and I put my hand under the couch. When all of a sudden, BOOM! A hand gun fully loaded.  :ohno: It was his roommates. Scared the crap out of me, cause I was like, "Wtf do you need a hand gun under the couch? WTF are you into?"

I don't know if this story appeals to this discussion, but I wanted to share it. Happy Friday!  :)

Was staying at my dad's cabin, went to sleep and there was a handgun under the pillow  :sdeek:  freaks you out man. It has multiple safetys, but still...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
Maybe its just the gun, but that frog chair looks pretty badass.  How much for it?

$11.99 at your local Hyvee in the impulse purchase section near the front where they keep the local sports team t-shirts
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 13, 2014, 01:12:27 PM
I stayed at my buddies place one time when I was pretty drunk right by UMKC. I was talking to some floozy that night on the phone and laying on the couch. I started to eff around and I put my hand under the couch. When all of a sudden, BOOM! A hand gun fully loaded.  :ohno: It was his roommates. Scared the crap out of me, cause I was like, "Wtf do you need a hand gun under the couch? WTF are you into?"

I don't know if this story appeals to this discussion, but I wanted to share it. Happy Friday!  :)

Was staying at my dad's cabin, went to sleep and there was a handgun under the pillow  :sdeek:  freaks you out man. It has multiple safetys, but still...

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14197.0
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on June 13, 2014, 02:31:47 PM
Maybe its just the gun, but that frog chair looks pretty badass.  How much for it?

$11.99 at your local Hyvee in the impulse purchase section near the front where they keep the local sports team t-shirts

Went, saw, didn't seem as badass in the store for some reason.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 13, 2014, 02:41:21 PM
Maybe its just the gun, but that frog chair looks pretty badass.  How much for it?

$11.99 at your local Hyvee in the impulse purchase section near the front where they keep the local sports team t-shirts

Went, saw, didn't seem as badass in the store for some reason.

you subliminally want the street sweeper
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 13, 2014, 02:52:27 PM
I stayed at my buddies place one time when I was pretty drunk right by UMKC. I was talking to some floozy that night on the phone and laying on the couch. I started to eff around and I put my hand under the couch. When all of a sudden, BOOM! A hand gun fully loaded.  :ohno: It was his roommates. Scared the crap out of me, cause I was like, "Wtf do you need a hand gun under the couch? WTF are you into?"

I don't know if this story appeals to this discussion, but I wanted to share it. Happy Friday!  :)

WC, if you were a 3 year old and had a 1 year old sibling, you would have made the news.
:ohno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 13, 2014, 02:53:09 PM
I stayed at my buddies place one time when I was pretty drunk right by UMKC. I was talking to some floozy that night on the phone and laying on the couch. I started to eff around and I put my hand under the couch. When all of a sudden, BOOM! A hand gun fully loaded.  :ohno: It was his roommates. Scared the crap out of me, cause I was like, "Wtf do you need a hand gun under the couch? WTF are you into?"

I don't know if this story appeals to this discussion, but I wanted to share it. Happy Friday!  :)

Was staying at my dad's cabin, went to sleep and there was a handgun under the pillow  :sdeek:  freaks you out man. It has multiple safetys, but still...
Yeah, it's a weird feeling. Kinda like: "WTF MAN?!"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 13, 2014, 02:57:29 PM
finding a gun when you didn't expect a gun is kinda like finding cake when you didn't expect cake. except the cake could kill you. so it's not that much like finding cake.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 13, 2014, 03:30:39 PM
finding a gun when you didn't expect a gun is kinda like finding cake when you didn't expect cake. except the cake could kill you. so it's not that much like finding cake.

Yup, too much cake can be deadly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 13, 2014, 04:22:01 PM
John dougie thinks there are too many guns  :surprised:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 13, 2014, 06:24:05 PM
John dougie thinks there are too many guns  :surprised:

No, too much cake. Sugar kills more people than guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 13, 2014, 06:28:06 PM
John dougie thinks there are too many guns  :surprised:

No, too much cake. Sugar kills more people than guns.

Damn, we were coming back to this thread to post that same joke, but you 'beetus.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 13, 2014, 06:37:42 PM
John dougie thinks there are too many guns  :surprised:

No, too much cake. Sugar kills more people than guns.

Damn, we were coming back to this thread to post that same joke, but you 'beetus.

Had to look it up.  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 14, 2014, 12:13:13 AM
Still unsure why @michigancat thinks the FFL process for dealerships to sell guns isn't good enough for private sales?

Confirmed. Clearly everything is going great and there's no problem with gun violence in America. We should change nothing.

That's not what I said and you know it.  I was speaking specific to the FFL process.  Quit making these straw man arguments.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk



:D 

We'll always disagree in this thread but we'll always be Vision Quest buds. :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 19, 2014, 10:11:07 PM
An idiot, Supreme Court Justice Scalia, agrees with you Emo and your ilk.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2014, 08:41:38 AM
No school shootings this past week? I think that's progress.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 20, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
An idiot, Supreme Court Justice Scalia, agrees with you Emo and your ilk.

I mean it's pretty rough ridin' clear if you read the Constitution. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 09:02:47 AM
No school shootings this past week? I think that's progress.

Happy Friday, guys!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 20, 2014, 09:25:33 AM
Whew, that was close, we almost had to take the guns away!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 09:31:47 AM
Pretty sure this means mental illness, the kind that results in shootings, is basically obliterated.  'Grats, 'Merica.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on June 20, 2014, 09:33:03 AM
there are still knives out there tho  :ohno:

and cars  :ohno:

and maple bats  :ohno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 09:38:31 AM
How many school stabbings, car rammings, or bat smashings have there been this week?  I mean, it seems like those has been stamped out too. 

Now that that is handled, what are we gonna do next week?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on June 20, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
How many school stabbings, car rammings, or bat smashings have there been this week?

There would be a lot more if you took the guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 20, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
someone can come take my gun (for a wad of cash)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 20, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
what if they try to take my gun that my grandpa gave me and it's old and doesn't work?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 20, 2014, 12:31:32 PM
what if they try to take my gun that my grandpa gave me and it's old and doesn't work?

pretend like you really love it and try to squeeze them for cash money
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 20, 2014, 03:03:06 PM
there are still knives out there tho  :ohno:

and cars  :ohno:

and maple bats  :ohno:

and sugar  :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
Sugar doesn't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on June 20, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
Sugar doesn't kill ppl, ppl ADM kill ppl.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 20, 2014, 03:27:13 PM
Sugar doesn't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl.

Sugar kills 38 million people worldwide every year. Sugar laughs at cigarettes, cars, and guns for their killing inefficiency.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 03:34:57 PM
(http://blatherberg.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sugar.jpg)

Whoa, whao, whoa.  Take the wallet.   Whatever you want.


(http://www.thesweetbeet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sugar-packet.jpg)

Bam! you dead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on June 20, 2014, 03:51:38 PM
Sugar doesn't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl.

Sugar kills 38 million people worldwide every year. Sugar laughs at cigarettes, cars, and guns for their killing inefficiency.

these would be catergorized as suicide only deaths, which i have already proposed destigmatizing to reduce the rate of spree killings
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Sugar doesn't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl.

Sugar kills 38 million people worldwide every year. Sugar laughs at cigarettes, cars, and guns for their killing inefficiency.

these would be catergorized as suicide only deaths, which i have already proposed destigmatizing to reduce the rate of spree killings

(http://candyaddict.com/blog/candy_images/wonka_spree_original.jpg) bang!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 20, 2014, 04:47:23 PM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2014, 04:56:06 PM
Probs on a watchlist now for entering that house.  Grats
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 20, 2014, 04:59:05 PM
Probs on a watchlist now for entering that house.  Grats

All his guns had like lasers and stuff. It was pretty impressive, if you were heading a rebel guerrilla warfare campaign
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on June 20, 2014, 05:50:30 PM
Probably just airsoft guns, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: p1k3 on June 20, 2014, 06:01:02 PM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.

really no one else's business but his own, imo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 20, 2014, 08:15:07 PM
Probably just airsoft guns, nothing to see here.

you'll never take the air away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 23, 2014, 09:06:55 AM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.

You're kinda a judgmental bad person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.

He has been picked on and has a hard time getting women to have sex with him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2014, 10:30:18 AM
He will not be a victim.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on June 23, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.

He has been picked on and has a hard time getting women to have sex with him.

Clearly a mobile self-defense arsenal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2014, 10:33:06 AM
How much water does he have bottled up in the basement? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 23, 2014, 10:51:28 AM
No school shootings this past week? I think that's progress.

I've noticed school shootings go down, almost disappear, during the summer months.  I'll bet this is global warming thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
No school shootings this past week? I think that's progress.

I've noticed school shootings go down, almost disappear, during the summer months.  I'll bet this is global warming thing.

Nope, they have been resolved. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 23, 2014, 11:20:50 AM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.

You're kinda a judgmental bad person.

lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 23, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
So I went over to a co-workers place the other day and he literally had a trunk full of semi-automatic assault rifles.

My question is, what kind of bad person seriously wants that crap in his house?

Seriously, someone on this site owns something similar and I want to understand your thinking process, because you are making us normal "support the right to have a gun as long as it's something normal like an old grandpa shotgun for peace of mind or maybe a hunting rifle if you are into that" people look silly.

He has been picked on and has a hard time getting women to have sex with him.

yeah :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
No school shootings this past week? I think that's progress.

I've noticed school shootings go down, almost disappear, during the summer months.  I'll bet this is global warming thing.

BAN SCHOOLS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
You will never take the schools away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on June 23, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
What do school shooters shoot up during the summer?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2014, 11:28:47 AM
What do school shooters shoot up during the summer?

movie theaters
Title: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
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She lives going hunting with me & was really mad that she couldn't go deer hunting with me last year. She's had a BB gun for a couple of years. She turns 8 in September. I've been thinking about buying her a Cricket single shot .22

She's been around guns her entire life & knows to not play with them.
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Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2014, 03:36:23 PM
I'd say 8 is a good age to buy her something she can easily kill herself or someone else with if she chose to
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: CNS on July 31, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
I got my first gun when I was 9.  410 shotgun.  bird hunting that year.  Deer hunting with my own 30/30 when 11.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: mocat on July 31, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
i got my first gun at age never because i have never gotten one
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 31, 2014, 04:33:35 PM
That makes me sad mocat.  :frown:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 31, 2014, 05:14:05 PM
mocat we are buds
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2014, 05:46:32 PM
My dad offered to buy me a handgun to go shooting with him. I declined
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2014, 06:28:05 PM
I'm actually surprised that god didn't make it automatic that when you turned 8 you grew an appendage that would allow you to kill another person or yourself with no real effort. Assuming you had already learned with a BB gun appendage prior to that.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 8manpick on July 31, 2014, 06:36:13 PM
I first went hunting at 10. Probably shot at 9
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: puniraptor on July 31, 2014, 06:37:06 PM
I will buy my daughter a gun only after she is able to defeat me in single combat.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2014, 06:47:42 PM
My dad loves to hunt and I've always been terrified of guns. On my 12th birthday they asked me what I wanted. I said: "anything but a gun". Well, dad got me a shotgun. I was pretty pissed. He took me hunting in the fall that year. We saw a group of turkeys and I just shot in the middle of the group. Somehow I hit one. I told him after that: "I'm retired!" The turkey was nasty looking, dead, and smelt like poop. :frown:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
amazing story wc
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 31, 2014, 06:59:12 PM
yeah that was a great story. my buds and i all had bb guns around fourth grade. i shot a red bird (cardinal) in my back yard. we walked over and it was all twitching and crazy and stuff and we were like someone needs to put it out of it's misery. i pumped a couple of times and shot again and then again. it finally was dead. never purposefully killed anything since.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Spracne on July 31, 2014, 07:00:13 PM
On the day my daughter turned seven, I bought her a shotgun and told her to shoot him if he ever goes back gay.  At least, I thought she was my daughter.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2014, 07:01:12 PM
 :whistle1:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Spracne on July 31, 2014, 07:01:52 PM
yeah that was a great story. my buds and i all had bb guns around fourth grade. i shot a red bird (cardinal) in my back yard. we walked over and it was all twitching and crazy and stuff and we were like someone needs to put it out of it's misery. i pumped a couple of times and shot again and then again. it finally was dead. never purposefully killed anything since.

Killed a blackbird in a similar matter.  Why won't those punks just die immediately like in the moving pictures instead of just twitching and making noises for a long-ass time?  Buried the poor thing in a Big Mac box casket.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Benja on July 31, 2014, 07:02:03 PM
It's important to teach your kids about guns at an extremely young age because wait I can't think of any reason
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2014, 07:03:15 PM
I don't understand how people get pleasure from killing animals, it's truly sadistic
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Benja on July 31, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
If your kid can't defend the fort while you're gone the injuns might ranshackle your wagons and spook your horses and crap
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 31, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
i mean i get it in a way but damn it was just not for me.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2014, 07:37:42 PM
i mean i get it in a way but damn it was just not for me.

What do you get about it?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: schreds21 on August 01, 2014, 08:57:52 AM
BB gun at 5.  Shotgun at 9.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 09:08:01 AM
I think it's terrifying knowing that kids, before puberty, are handed something that can kill ppl. I mean, life is a marathon, and we change daily. Kids are especially weird too. Not good.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: RickRampus on August 01, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
I think it's terrifying knowing that kids, before puberty, are handed something that can kill ppl. I mean, life is a marathon, and we change daily. Kids are especially weird too. Not good.

like a car  :dunno:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: mocat on August 01, 2014, 09:11:32 AM
yeah looking back, there's no way 16 year olds should be able to drive an automobile on the streets
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: RickRampus on August 01, 2014, 09:15:43 AM
I think it's terrifying knowing that kids, before puberty, are handed something that can kill ppl. I mean, life is a marathon, and we change daily. Kids are especially weird too. Not good.

like a car  :dunno:
8/9 to 16 14 is a big difference, dork.

fyp and look at what you said.  Who is the dork now, dork?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
I think it's terrifying knowing that kids, before puberty, are handed something that can kill ppl. I mean, life is a marathon, and we change daily. Kids are especially weird too. Not good.

like a car  :dunno:
8/9 to 16 14 is a big difference, dork.

fyp and look at what you said.  Who is the dork now, dork?
I mean, it's still a 6 year difference. And it's a gun. A gun. A GUN.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 09:22:37 AM
I think it's terrifying knowing that kids, before puberty, are handed something that can kill ppl. I mean, life is a marathon, and we change daily. Kids are especially weird too. Not good.

like a car  :dunno:
8/9 to 16 14 is a big difference, dork.

fyp and look at what you said.  Who is the dork now, dork?

I hit puberty at 12. Having to wait until 14 to drive was bullshit.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 09:26:04 AM
He's gotta teach his little girl to shoot so that when she goes from abusive boyfriend to abusive boyfriend she'll know how to kill them if they cross the line too many times.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: GoodForAnother on August 01, 2014, 10:29:26 AM
yeah looking back, there's no way 16 year olds should be able to drive an automobile on the streets

as I get older this scares me more and more
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:06:13 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:07:05 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
whole lot of peggy po' announcing going on in here
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:11:32 AM
Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me. 
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:12:57 AM
My dad made me do hunter safety so I could hunt with him. Again, I didn't even want to. It was at some old nasty vw/vd (don't know what it's called. Where veterans go to hangout and eat/drink/smoke/etc. OMG, it was so smokie in there. I smelt like an ashtray for weeks. All for some piece of paper that says I can kill a turkey, cause I clipped him on his wing and he drowned in the creek, cause he couldn't fly, and then I retired.  :curse:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

the combination of the two willfully given to an 8 year old isn't a good idea imo. it doesn't "scare the crap" out of me. lol at the knife, car, etc. comparisons people make. none of those things sole purpose is killing something.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:13:53 AM
Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.
No, I get it. It just isn't for me. My family loves to do it.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:15:34 AM
also some pretty disrespectful kids in here as well
Title: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

the combination of the two willfully given to an 8 year old isn't a good idea imo. it doesn't "scare the crap" out of me. lol at the knife, car, etc. comparisons people make. none of those things sole purpose is killing something.

Well a BB gun's purpose isn't to kill something.  I don't think the GPC OP's idea was to buy a powerful firearm and just turn his young daughter lose with it.  That was never the case with me or with kids I grew up with.  Hunts and shoots were always closely supervised and instructional.  Guns were locked up at home and we never had free access to them whenever wanted.  I bet the GPC OP has the same idea.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 11:19:20 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
yeah looking back, there's no way 16 year olds should be able to drive an automobile on the streets

not sure if you're kidding, but I totally agree. I think I've mentioned it here. Kids that age are rough ridin' stupid when it comes to taking risks because their brains aren't fully developed.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:20:43 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?
to shoot stuff
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 11:22:18 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?
to shoot stuff

Hank, why do you drink?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2014, 11:22:52 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?

Feel marginally powerful
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:22:58 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?
to shoot stuff

Hank, why do you drink?
what in the eff just happened in here
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:23:07 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?

1) Teach kids proper safety and handling techniques
2) Shoot tin cans and paper targets and maybe sometimes small birds and vermin
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:23:29 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:24:07 AM
so are we in the pit are we not in the pit, is this the gpc thread or the school shooting thread?

some mod isnt modding very well
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
What is the purpose of a bb gun?
to shoot stuff

Hank, why do you drink?
TO GET DRUNK

Why do you roll smoke?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:25:18 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.

Is anyone turning lose 8 year olds with loaded shotguns?  Link?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2014, 11:28:26 AM
so are we in the pit are we not in the pit, is this the gpc thread or the school shooting thread?

some mod isnt modding very well

it's fine modding you're just easily confused.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 01, 2014, 11:29:10 AM
Been a pretty slow last few weeks for school shootings.  What in the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 01, 2014, 11:29:25 AM
yeah looking back, there's no way 16 year olds should be able to drive an automobile on the streets

not sure if you're kidding, but I totally agree. I think I've mentioned it here. Kids that age are rough ridin' stupid when it comes to taking risks because their brains aren't fully developed.

I don't think it is wise to let an 18 year old with no driving experience loose on the road with an automobile. I'd rather they got some supervised experience under their belt before that.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 11:30:13 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.

Is anyone turning lose 8 year olds with loaded shotguns?  Link?

Cricket .22
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.

Is anyone turning lose 8 year olds with loaded shotguns?  Link?

I'm not certain what you are arguing at this point. you started with a dumbass butcher knife comparison and are just chasing it down this rabbit hole. yes, tons of hicks turn 8 year olds loose with shotguns.

source: I'm from Meade rough ridin' Kansas.
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:31:55 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.

Is anyone turning lose 8 year olds with loaded shotguns?  Link?

I'm not certain what you are arguing at this point. you started with a dumbass butcher knife comparison and are just chasing it down this rabbit hole. yes, tons of hicks turn 8 year olds loose with shotguns.

source: I'm from Meade rough ridin' Kansas.

Lots of 8 year olds killing people down in Meade?  Link?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 01, 2014, 11:32:08 AM
Been a pretty slow last few weeks for school shootings.  What in the hell is going on?

divorces are down too! let's party!  :billdance:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 01, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
Teenage pregnancy and tobacco use are down, too.  What in the hell is wrong with kids these days? OBAMA!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2014, 11:33:16 AM
Been a pretty slow last few weeks for school shootings.  What in the hell is going on?

Constitution kicking in
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:34:19 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.

Is anyone turning lose 8 year olds with loaded shotguns?  Link?

I'm not certain what you are arguing at this point. you started with a dumbass butcher knife comparison and are just chasing it down this rabbit hole. yes, tons of hicks turn 8 year olds loose with shotguns.

source: I'm from Meade rough ridin' Kansas.

Lots of 8 year olds killing people down in Meade?  Link?

not meade specifically but here's a story from 2 hours ago

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-child-accidentally-shoots-kills-playmate-24794732
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2014, 11:35:53 AM
Do you guys keep your butcher knives locked up?

do people teach their 8 year olds to kill things with butcher knives?

Is it the ability or the knowledge that scares the crap out of you?

If an 8 year old came after me with a butcher knife, I would like my odds of surviving that encounter. An 8 year old with a shotgun is a lot more dangerous.

I also like the odds of an 8 year old surviving its own 8 year old fuckup (8 year olds fuckup constantly fwiw) with a butcher knife v. a gun. though I'm also not a fan of an 8 year old having free access to butcher knives either.

Is anyone turning lose 8 year olds with loaded shotguns?  Link?

I'm not certain what you are arguing at this point. you started with a dumbass butcher knife comparison and are just chasing it down this rabbit hole. yes, tons of hicks turn 8 year olds loose with shotguns.

source: I'm from Meade rough ridin' Kansas.

Lots of 8 year olds killing people down in Meade?  Link?

not meade specifically but here's a story from 2 hours ago

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-child-accidentally-shoots-kills-playmate-24794732

Looks like they were unsupervised?  I hope you don't think I'm for giving unsupervised kids firearms, because I'm not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 01, 2014, 11:36:32 AM
A 3 year old killed himself in Wichita the other day with a gun.  :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:36:59 AM
A 3 year old killed himself in Wichita the other day with a gun.  :cry:

 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:37:56 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 01, 2014, 11:38:29 AM
mon dieu...  :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:41:12 AM
There's all kind of stories out there on google. I'm really good at googling btw. :D

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=kid+shoots+dad+in+hunting+accident
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:41:59 AM
so are we in the pit are we not in the pit, is this the gpc thread or the school shooting thread?

some mod isnt modding very well

it's fine modding you're just easily confused.
no not at all actually. are you saying that teaching kids how to hunt is responsible for school shootings?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
I could get behind hunting with a tranquilizer gun. Stalking dangerous animals, chasing one down, tranquilizing it, then running up and taking some pictures. That would be a blasto!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:43:01 AM
Quote
In October, a 61-year old hunter mistook his son for a wild boar and opened fire

This happens to me all the time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 01, 2014, 11:43:16 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

i think i am a bad person because when i read that the teen turned the gun on himself i thought "how very french of him"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:44:22 AM
so are we in the pit are we not in the pit, is this the gpc thread or the school shooting thread?

some mod isnt modding very well

it's fine modding you're just easily confused.
no not at all actually. are you saying that teaching kids how to hunt is responsible for school shootings?

it's some of the best modding I've ever seen. your leap in logic is also some of the most impressive I've ever encountered.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

i think i am a bad person because when i read that the teen turned the gun on himself i thought "how very french of him"

how on earth do they know it was an accident?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

Quote
In October, a 61-year old hunter mistook his son for a wild boar and opened fire, the Ouest France news site reported. Around that time, a 6-year-old was shot and killed in another traffic hunting accident.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 01, 2014, 11:47:02 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

i think i am a bad person because when i read that the teen turned the gun on himself i thought "how very french of him"

how on earth do they know it was an accident?

Because a French person pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 01, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

i think i am a bad person because when i read that the teen turned the gun on himself i thought "how very french of him"

how on earth do they know it was an accident?

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 11:48:01 AM
Also, how in the hell do they know the kid accidentally killed his father? I mean, come on now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:48:44 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

i think i am a bad person because when i read that the teen turned the gun on himself i thought "how very french of him"

how on earth do they know it was an accident?
I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 11:49:42 AM
so are we in the pit are we not in the pit, is this the gpc thread or the school shooting thread?

some mod isnt modding very well

it's fine modding you're just easily confused.
no not at all actually. are you saying that teaching kids how to hunt is responsible for school shootings?

it's some of the best modding I've ever seen. your leap in logic is also some of the most impressive I've ever encountered.
thats what im here for
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:53:46 AM
So in France, they walk up to a crime scene and they're like: "This boy accidentally killed his father and then turned the gun on himself. Nothing to see here boys. CASE CLOSED!"  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
So in France, they walk up to a crime scene and they're like: "This boy accidentally killed his father and then turned the gun on himself. Nothing to see here boys. CASE CLOSED!"  :lol:

I think the story said the boy was frantically calling for help or something. I'm guessing some information was passed to others that way (not that it was neccesarily true or whatever).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Yeah, I know. I just like to imagine it like that. I would "frantically call" too whether I meant to shoot him or not. That way if I did it on purpose, they didn't think I did, but he couldn't handle it either way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
So in France, they walk up to a crime scene and they're like: "This boy accidentally killed his father and then turned the gun on himself. Nothing to see here boys. CASE CLOSED!"  :lol:

Even if it were murder, the perp would be dead, so the case would still be closed. I would just call it an accident as well. Why waste time investigating?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 12:02:23 PM
So in France, they walk up to a crime scene and they're like: "This boy accidentally killed his father and then turned the gun on himself. Nothing to see here boys. CASE CLOSED!"  :lol:

Even if it were murder, the perp would be dead, so the case would still be closed. I would just call it an accident as well. Why waste time investigating?

except the mom shot both of them....  :surprised:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
the perfect crime
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
the perfect crime
It makes sense. After she killed the dad, she pointed the gun at her son and told him to make a frantic call. He thought she wouldn't shoot if he did that. Then all of a sudden, BANG! She goes home and acts shocked about the news. CASE CLOSED.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kslim on August 01, 2014, 01:23:17 PM
the perfect crime
It makes sense. After she killed the dad, she pointed the gun at her son and told him to make a frantic call. He thought she wouldn't shoot if he did that. Then all of a sudden, BANG! She goes home and acts shocked about the news. CASE CLOSED.
why does mom have gun residue in her skin? those fingerprints look awfully familiar as well. sorry johnson this case is still open
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 01, 2014, 03:27:20 PM
Few pages late, but I still have my BB gun and use it as a way of keeping Starlings away.  My old house used to have a bagillion of them.  They would make nests nightly in my BBQ grill(even with cover in place), crap all over my deck and patio, really make the dog's water super nasty, and a bunch of other nasty disgusting vile crap. 

I tried the fake snake, owl, etc thing to no avail. 

Ended up blasting seven or eight in an afternoon.  Problem solved. 

As for hunting in general, I don't do much of it anymore.  I don't eat much of the game and feel bad if I kill something I don't use.  I still go with my fam hunting often, but do so the last 5-6 yrs just for the hiking, outdoors peacefulness stuff, and take pics.  I could leave the gun in the cabin(and often do) and be happy. 

I like fishing a lot now because you just toss the fish back and keep going unless you plan to eat it.

I don't really get trophy hunting or fishing, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 03:42:05 PM
That sounds great CNS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 03:43:03 PM
I love catch and release fishing. I go full on Jeremy Wade. Fish on! Also the gentle release so they get their bearings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 01, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Guys, I don't even let my kids pour their own milk in their cereal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 01, 2014, 04:01:58 PM
CF3, drowning is like the No. 1 cause of accidental death for kids under like 14 yrs old, or something. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 01, 2014, 04:17:57 PM
CF3, drowning is like the No. 1 cause of accidental death for kids under like 14 yrs old, or something.

Yeah and I don't have a pool and paid for my kids to have swimming lessons so if they ever DO fall in a pool, they'd be able to get out. Accidents aren't completely preventable, but I can do my best. If an accidental gun death happens, it sure as heck won't be at my house.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 01, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
how about that 13 y/o rural salina girl getting chopped to death by her sister at the intersection of rifle and remington roads?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2014, 11:25:20 PM
how about that 13 y/o rural salina girl getting chopped to death by her sister at the intersection of rifle and remington roads?
Whaaaat?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 02, 2014, 09:59:55 AM
how about that 13 y/o rural salina girl getting chopped to death by her sister at the intersection of rifle and remington roads?

My goodness, there is a lot going on here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on August 02, 2014, 02:54:08 PM
how about that 13 y/o rural salina girl getting chopped to death by her sister at the intersection of rifle and remington roads?

Terrible - I haven't seen anything identifying the sister as the suspect yet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on August 02, 2014, 02:57:25 PM
do you idiots have a link?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 02, 2014, 03:50:48 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-teen-accidentally-kills-father-hunting-article-1.1549450

i think i am a bad person because when i read that the teen turned the gun on himself i thought "how very french of him"

how on earth do they know it was an accident?

 :sdeek:

i love the stock hunting porn photos that accompany that tragic, tragic story.  i don't see how anyone could see those and not want to walk around in the beautiful autumn countryside with their dog and engraved double.  and if your kid happens to shoot you, accidentally or not, so be it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 02, 2014, 04:28:54 PM

do you idiots have a link?

http://salinapost.com/2014/08/01/video-saline-county-sheriffs-report-on-stabbing-death-of-teenager/ (http://salinapost.com/2014/08/01/video-saline-county-sheriffs-report-on-stabbing-death-of-teenager/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 09, 2014, 12:57:59 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28715717
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on September 04, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
JCCC on lockdown.  Suspicious individual possibly armed.   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 04, 2014, 05:37:28 PM
Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.

yeah, that's literally exactly why its a dumb idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on September 04, 2014, 05:55:07 PM
JCCC on lockdown.  Suspicious individual possibly armed.   :popcorn:

http://www.kmbc.com/news/live-lockdown-at-jccc/27884384#!bPRiuB
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 07, 2014, 09:03:36 PM
Whatever happened with JCCC?
Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 07, 2014, 09:04:26 PM
Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.

yeah, that's literally exactly why its a dumb idea.

Why, because a bird died?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 07, 2014, 09:08:37 PM

Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.

yeah, that's literally exactly why its a dumb idea.

Why, because a bird died?  :rolleyes:

Kids disobey parents. That's just what they do. So it's just foolish to give a kid a gun and say "never under any circumstance point this gun at anyone".


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Title: Re: Re: GPC Wabash Station Thread Title Of The Day
Post by: brandochav on September 07, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.

yeah, that's literally exactly why its a dumb idea.

Why, because a bird died?  :rolleyes:
Well, aside from the needless loss of life, shooting a songbird carries a pretty hefty fine and possibly jail time as it is a felony under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. As a hunter, I absolutely despise dumb fucks who shoot anything that moves...let's give your life the same courtesy, after all, you're only one of 7+ billion, right?  :dunno: At least I kill for food and population control where necessary...yep, that means does only when deer hunting, brah.   :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on September 08, 2014, 05:04:51 AM

Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.

yeah, that's literally exactly why its a dumb idea.

Why, because a bird died?  :rolleyes:

Kids disobey parents. That's just what they do. So it's just foolish to give a kid a gun and say "never under any circumstance point this gun at anyone".


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I know this isn't the parenting thread, but this is a parents expectations problem. I see this crap all of the time. Parents tell you what there kid is going to do wrong and then the kid does it wrong. Kids do their best to live up to their parents' expectations.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 08, 2014, 07:12:30 AM

Teaching something that young to kill something is crazy to me. This isn't the stone age. We can go to the market now for groceries.

I think they figure it out on their own.  At least I did.  I mean I was handed a BB gun and some Coke cans and eventually ended up shooting a robin even though I was specifically told not to.  Anyway, I hope you don't think the only reason people hunt is for food.  It certainly isn't for me.

yeah, that's literally exactly why its a dumb idea.

Why, because a bird died?  :rolleyes:

Kids disobey parents. That's just what they do. So it's just foolish to give a kid a gun and say "never under any circumstance point this gun at anyone".


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While I agree kids to disobey parents, they are still capable of making judgement.  It's not like at midnight an 18 year old's logic and reason floods into a person's mind.  My friends and I spent a lot of time shooting BB/pellet guns unsupervised and we never shot each other.  I also have to consider that my parents didn't really give a crap if I shot a bird.  I mean, I'm sure my dad cared, but more about the person I might grow up to be than breaking some law that is never prosecuted or about this particular bird's insignificant life. 

Did you guys ever speed or disobey other traffic laws?  If so, were you parents stupid for having given you a car? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 08, 2014, 07:45:38 AM
Did you guys ever speed or disobey other traffic laws?  If so, were you parents stupid for having given you a car?

Yes, constantly. They were very stupid. Kids are terrible drivers. Daris can confirm, pretty sure the wrecks he responds to are mostly in the zoo lot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on October 24, 2014, 03:29:25 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
here's a link since sunny is a bad person

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/us/washington-school-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on October 24, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
my bad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 24, 2014, 03:35:56 PM
School shooting season really got off to a slow start this year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 24, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
The guns are under attack again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 24, 2014, 03:50:37 PM
I was looking at some old pics the other day and came across my 7th grade football team. We had 15 guys(8-man fball) and now, 12 years later, five of them are dead. Four from car wrecks and one from some sort of organ failure. We would have had 16 on the team but one of the 8th graders got shot in the eye with a pellet fun a couple of years earlier.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
I was looking at some old pics the other day and came across my 7th grade football team. We had 15 guys(8-man fball) and now, 12 years later, five of them are dead. Four from car wrecks and one from some sort of organ failure. We would have had 16 on the team but one of the 8th graders got shot in the eye with a pellet fun a couple of years earlier.

Teens shouldn't drive. (I'm guessing they didn't all die in wrecks as teens but still).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trogdor on November 20, 2014, 01:22:15 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/us/fsu-incident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on November 20, 2014, 06:51:36 AM
If all the students had guns...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on November 20, 2014, 07:26:49 AM
When I heard "Breaking news out of Florida State this morning" on the news, I immediately assumed Jameis... Pretty embarrassing/sad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on November 20, 2014, 10:04:22 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j13QfS8B6fU
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on November 20, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
When I heard "Breaking news out of Florida State this morning" on the news, I immediately assumed Jameis... Pretty embarrassing/sad

Related to Jameis and the school shooting, some ESPNU student correspondent from Alabama basically destroyed her hopes at a journalism career by tweeting that she hoped the shooter was looking for Jameis  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2014, 02:13:29 PM
When I heard "Breaking news out of Florida State this morning" on the news, I immediately assumed Jameis... Pretty embarrassing/sad

Related to Jameis and the school shooting, some ESPNU student correspondent from Alabama basically destroyed her hopes at a journalism career by tweeting that she hoped the shooter was looking for Jameis  :sdeek:

That's terrible. Her school should do her a huge favor and force her to change her major.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 20, 2014, 02:16:09 PM
I still don't get the insane hatred for Jameis that everyone in the SEC has.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on November 20, 2014, 02:23:06 PM
I still don't get the insane hatred for Jameis that everyone in the SEC has.

He killed their streak
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 20, 2014, 03:36:22 PM
When I heard "Breaking news out of Florida State this morning" on the news, I immediately assumed Jameis... Pretty embarrassing/sad

Related to Jameis and the school shooting, some ESPNU student correspondent from Alabama basically destroyed her hopes at a journalism career by tweeting that she hoped the shooter was looking for Jameis  :sdeek:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/espnu-reporter-jokes-fsu-school-shooter-targeted-jameis-winston.html

A moron and a liar, she should post here in the pit, she'd fit in well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 20, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
The "my twitter account was hacked" is such a boss move when you get caught being a moron.

I remember when Joel Goldberg got caught trying to score on twitter, said he got hacked.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dmartin on November 21, 2014, 10:54:11 AM
twitter seems remarkably easy to hack.  Do they have no security?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 12, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
4 shot near high school in Portland, Oregon
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/12/us/portland-school-shooting/index.html


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 16, 2014, 02:37:37 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/at-least-126-dead-in-pakistani-school-attack-by-taliban-gunmen/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 27, 2015, 01:36:06 PM
Hero:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/washington-teacher-tackles-student-gunman-averts-tragedy/ar-BBiJMOj
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 18, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
This Charleston thing is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 18, 2015, 09:26:39 AM
Read this quote about the pastor who was killed.

Quote
"He had a passion for helping the poor, for helping to improve the quality of life for all mankind," Williams said. "But especially those who are the least among us."

I hope his story is told. A humble, regular guy, who was working to serve the people in his community.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 18, 2015, 09:27:59 AM
This Charleston thing is unbelievable.

Actually, its believable. Terrible, effed up, despicable, but believable. That's the scary part.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on June 18, 2015, 09:29:20 AM
Already heard a couple conservatives whine about how the police are being too quick to call it a hate crime.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 18, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Already heard a couple conservatives whine about how the police are being too quick to call it a hate crime.  :facepalm:

I tune out the morons when things like this happen. the instant news likes this breaks, the trolls come out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 18, 2015, 09:37:46 AM
Dylan storm roof.  21 y/o.

mumped up

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mhkpasa on June 18, 2015, 09:45:57 AM
Supposedly he participated in bible study for ~1 hour before the murders. Left one woman alive so she could relay what happened.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 18, 2015, 09:57:44 AM
Supposedly he participated in bible study for ?1 hour before the murders. Left one woman alive so she could relay what happened.

That is evil.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on June 18, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
Dylan storm roof.  21 y/o.

mumped up

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Storm Roof? That's actually the least weird thing about him. I doubt he gets caught alive.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 18, 2015, 10:16:03 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/15/29BE568800000578-3129109-image-m-40_1434636503324.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 18, 2015, 10:17:36 AM
If this wasn't such a messed up story, that pic would be perfect meme matl.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on June 18, 2015, 10:23:41 AM

If this wasn't such a messed up story, that pic would be perfect meme matl.

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'At least I didn't throw a sandwich'
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on June 18, 2015, 10:27:49 AM
His punishment should be being sent to Somalia and letting him see how good he is at setting up apartheid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 18, 2015, 10:35:00 AM
Caught

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 18, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
Alive

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mhkpasa on June 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM
Supposedly he participated in bible study for ~1 hour before the murders. Left one woman alive so she could relay what happened.

Edit: multiple survivors, secondhand account that he told one woman that is why she would be spared
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dub on June 18, 2015, 11:26:42 AM
If this wasn't such a messed up story, that pic would be perfect meme matl.

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Well the story, and the racist patches.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on June 18, 2015, 11:31:19 AM
Dat bull cut doe.........
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/15/29BE568800000578-3129109-image-m-40_1434636503324.jpg)
JFC! He should of been arrested a long time ago, just for looking like that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dub on June 18, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
Bet the dad feels terrible for buying him that gun for his 21st birthday.  Unless of course, he learned his racism from his dad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2015, 11:52:33 AM
racist terrorist
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 18, 2015, 12:04:04 PM
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The church, known here as “Mother Emanuel,” houses the oldest black congregation south of Baltimore, according to the National Park Service...

wtf
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dub on June 18, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
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The church, known here as “Mother Emanuel,” houses the oldest black congregation south of Baltimore, according to the National Park Service...

wtf

Makes sense.  Aren't they in charge of historical landmarks and places?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 18, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/15/29BE568800000578-3129109-image-m-40_1434636503324.jpg)
JFC! He should of been arrested a long time ago, just for looking like that.

(http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35444.0;attach=3629;image)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
 :shakesfist: :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 18, 2015, 12:09:59 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2015, 12:58:37 PM
is this for real?

https://twitter.com/jneuf/status/611521801336815616
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Holy crap!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dub on June 18, 2015, 01:22:40 PM
is this for real?

https://twitter.com/jneuf/status/611521801336815616

Looks shopped. But wouldn't be surprised.  Also, who doesn't put an area code on the phone number?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/s-paper-apologizes-gun-shop-ad-atop-church-massacre-article-1.2262733
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 18, 2015, 03:36:05 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carolina-shooting-suspect-idd-as-dylann-storm-roof-21/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carolina-shooting-suspect-idd-as-dylann-storm-roof-21/)

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Since January, Roof has been arrested twice, both at the Columbiana Mall in Columbia, S.C. According to arrest records obtained CBS News investigative producer Laura Strickler, on February 28, Roof went into a Bath and Body Works store wearing all black and asked "out of the ordinary questions," including how many associates were working, when they closed and what time they leave. Mall employees complained and when an officer approached him Roof said "his parents were pressuring him to get a job."
The officer noted that Roof was becoming increasingly nervous. He searched Roof and found "orange strips" that Roof said were "suboxone," a Schedule 3 narcotic. Roof was arrested and his 2000 Hyundai Elantra was towed.

He was banned from the mall for one year. But on April 26, he returned and was arrested for trespassing and banned from the mall for three years. His car was turned over to his mother.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
good grief, south carolina

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The Confederate flag flying at the Statehouse in Columbia became part of the Charleston church shooting story Thursday after the U.S. and South Carolina flags were lowered in mourning but the rebel banner was left flying at its full height.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619374
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Jabeez on June 18, 2015, 05:15:33 PM
good grief, south carolina

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The Confederate flag flying at the Statehouse in Columbia became part of the Charleston church shooting story Thursday after the U.S. and South Carolina flags were lowered in mourning but the rebel banner was left flying at its full height.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619374
Theres no way that was on purpose right? Some lazy guy was all, "they only told me lower two flags, i damn sure aint lowering more than two." 

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chuckjames on June 18, 2015, 05:18:43 PM
good grief, south carolina

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The Confederate flag flying at the Statehouse in Columbia became part of the Charleston church shooting story Thursday after the U.S. and South Carolina flags were lowered in mourning but the rebel banner was left flying at its full height.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619374
Theres no way that was on purpose right? Some lazy guy was all, "they only told me lower two flags, i damn sure aint lowering more than two." 

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From what i understand the Racist flag cant be lowered to half staff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2015, 05:18:54 PM
good grief, south carolina

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The Confederate flag flying at the Statehouse in Columbia became part of the Charleston church shooting story Thursday after the U.S. and South Carolina flags were lowered in mourning but the rebel banner was left flying at its full height.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619374
Theres no way that was on purpose right? Some lazy guy was all, "they only told me lower two flags, i damn sure aint lowering more than two." 

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There was something in the comments about how it is "historic record" or something and not really ever lowered but goddam just get rid of it, people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2015, 05:20:07 PM
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once it was removed from the Statehouse dome it was given the status of historic relic. The state and US flags, which fly over the dome, are lowered on ceremonial occasions.

historical relic, according to guy on the internet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Jabeez on June 18, 2015, 05:23:16 PM
So its a stand alone flag, that isnt above the us and state flag?  I guess now is as good a time as any to continue to tell them to get rid of it. But, it doesnt seem any more outrageous than any other day that its flying.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 18, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
I read an article today stating that the racist banner can only be lowered by legisilative decree since they moved it to a confederate war memorial. I cannot vouch for the veracity of it. I'll try to find it.

Edit: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619374
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hemmy on June 18, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
How did people that knew him not know that guy was a psychopath? Look at him. Obviously crazy as eff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 18, 2015, 09:59:17 PM
Lots of "if this guy was black he would have been wrestled to floor when being arrested" on twitter. :Wha:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on June 18, 2015, 10:10:33 PM
Lots of "if this guy was black he would have been wrestled to floor when being arrested" on twitter. :Wha:

You gotta admit it's pretty interesting a kid that just killed 9 people and was considered armed and dangerous was more easily subdued than a guy selling cigarettes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 18, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
I wasn't there, so I don't know
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 19, 2015, 08:56:51 AM
Lots of "if this guy was black he would have been wrestled to floor when being arrested" on twitter. :Wha:

You gotta admit it's pretty interesting a kid that just killed 9 people and was considered armed and dangerous was more easily subdued than a guy selling cigarettes.

Maybe he didn't resist arrest?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 19, 2015, 09:16:11 AM
Lots of "if this guy was black he would have been wrestled to floor when being arrested" on twitter. :Wha:

You gotta admit it's pretty interesting a kid that just killed 9 people and was considered armed and dangerous was more easily subdued than a guy selling cigarettes.

Maybe he didn't resist arrest?

The really nutso psychopaths usually don't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 19, 2015, 09:19:22 AM
True to form, President Obama has taken this occassion to politicize the event, somberly intoning that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." I'm pretty sure that's not true. At all. But I'm also not sure what gun control he proposes to fix the problem. Seems to me that we need to work harder on crazy control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 19, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
True to form, President Obama has taken this occassion to politicize the event, somberly intoning that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." I'm pretty sure that's not true. At all. But I'm also not sure what gun control he proposes to fix the problem. Seems to me that we need to work harder on crazy control.

let's start with you then.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2015, 09:44:21 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspected-south-carolina-shooter-almost-didnt-go-through-with-it-because-everyone-was-so-nice-to-him/ar-AAbQ4VI
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 19, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
True to form, President Obama has taken this occassion to politicize the event, somberly intoning that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." I'm pretty sure that's not true. At all. But I'm also not sure what gun control he proposes to fix the problem. Seems to me that we need to work harder on crazy control.

let's start with you then.

SLAM!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 19, 2015, 09:55:04 AM
"Hey Dylann Storm Roof, welcome to the club!" said

(http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/01/adam_lanza_16.jpg)
Adam Lanza, and

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120920105441-james-holmes-mug-large-0920-story-top.jpg)
James Holmes, and

(http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/06/eric-harris.jpg)
Eric Harris

"Hey, thank's guys!" said
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150618183449-dylann-roof-custody-large-169.jpg)
Dylann Storm Roof

"Because Guns" said

(http://truthinmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Presbo.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on June 19, 2015, 09:58:12 AM
This is all just MK-Ultra programming or something like that done by the CIA or some other high-level secret agency. Zoolander type stuff. False-flag operations are afoot.

 :jeffy:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 10:01:29 AM
I am with KSUW, we should def start locking up all crazy looking ppl. 

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: illBisonYourdele on June 19, 2015, 10:29:57 AM
True to form, President Obama has taken this occassion to politicize the event, somberly intoning that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." I'm pretty sure that's not true. At all. But I'm also not sure what gun control he proposes to fix the problem. Seems to me that we need to work harder on crazy control.

it took me a while to find this quote...but I think it applies here?

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It came as no surprise, however, to find Sylvester Stallone leaping to the defence of his screen persona. He preferred to dwell on the concept of insanity rather than imitation. And in so doing he would not be alone. ‘I carry the can for every lunatic in the world who goes crazy with a gun; he complained. ‘But it wasn’t Rambo who sent Michael Ryan mad. In fact Rambo is the opposite of people like Ryan. He is always up against stronger opposition and never shoots first. Murderers are always saying, "God told me to kill" or "Jesus ordered me to kill" - so should the rest of us stop praying? There are always sick people out there who will hang their illness on to your hook.’
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2015, 11:22:02 AM
had this kid ever been diagnosed or treated for mental illness?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 19, 2015, 11:22:12 AM
"Hey Dylann, sorry I'm late, but welcome!!!" said

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac1394dbdcca6a36cbf486633b129cd813095ac3/r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/GenericImages/2013/03/11/ap-tucson-shooting-records-4_3.jpg)
Jared Loughner

"Thanks Man!" said

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2263250.1434664994!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_307/florist19n-3-web.jpg)
Dylann Storm Roof

"Guns" said

(http://aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/obama-on-phone.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
That is a pretty great Obama pic.  Very meme'able.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 19, 2015, 11:56:31 AM
Great memes, such fun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 01:22:49 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution

Just arm literally everyone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2015, 01:25:23 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution

Just arm literally everyone.

Yeah, this wouldn't have happened if all of those people would have just brought their guns to church with them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 01:26:29 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution

Just arm literally everyone.

Yeah, this wouldn't have happened if all of those people would have just brought their guns to church with them.

Don't rough ridin' tread on them, RATM
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 19, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-starts-their-crap-about-what-would-be-even-gre-50706
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 19, 2015, 01:49:54 PM
I could not give 2 craps about some dude's right to own a gun. I've never owned one, never will. I'm not convinced though that passing laws will help this kind of thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 01:52:41 PM
We need to declare a War on Shooting Up Places
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 19, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
At this point I'd be down for confiscating all civilian guns and throwing them into a volcano, and then imposing just insanely humongous fines and jail sentences for any civilian who is found to have a gun, legal or not. Should be pretty easy, right? :Woot:

"WHAAAT BUT WHAT ABOUT HUNTING?" DGAF. Sorry, your gun weirdo friends lost you this right by going into elementary schools and churches so many rough ridin' times and slaughtering dozens of innocent people for absolutely no reason.  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 19, 2015, 01:58:31 PM
(And yes all people who look bonkers also have to prove that they are not bonkers. We're trying to have a rough ridin' society here and that is getting ruined by a truly lethal combination of crazy people AND the complete ubiquity of guns.)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 19, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution

Just don't allow crazy people to breed and soon enough there won't be any crazy people. It's hereditary.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2015, 02:08:33 PM
I could not give 2 craps about some dude's right to own a gun. I've never owned one, never will. I'm not convinced though that passing laws will help this kind of thing

this is a great point. laws never change anything.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 19, 2015, 02:18:25 PM
the solution is Ragnarok.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 19, 2015, 02:20:57 PM
I could not give 2 craps about some dude's right to own a gun. I've never owned one, never will. I'm not convinced though that passing laws will help this kind of thing

this is a great point. laws never change anything.

you know, I'm the type of conservative voter who you might be able to influence on certain topics like this one. I've never voted for a democrat, but I'm not opposed to it. But by all means, lets keep this place snarky and drive one another deeper into our already held views.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 19, 2015, 02:30:40 PM
I could not give 2 craps about some dude's right to own a gun. I've never owned one, never will. I'm not convinced though that passing laws will help this kind of thing

this is a great point. laws never change anything.

i frequently practice civil disobedience.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
I could not give 2 craps about some dude's right to own a gun. I've never owned one, never will. I'm not convinced though that passing laws will help this kind of thing

this is a great point. laws never change anything.

you know, I'm the type of conservative voter who you might be able to influence on certain topics like this one. I've never voted for a democrat, but I'm not opposed to it. But by all means, lets keep this place snarky and drive one another deeper into our already held views.

We've had several serious discussion about gun legislation in this thread, but your take was just extremely lazy, and frankly, I like to think you could do better. Like, if you want to say it's important to have access to guns because of the Bill of Rights, that's a good starting point. But if you won't even consider the fact that legislation could make an impact, why should your opinion be taken seriously enough to engage in a serious discussion?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: illBisonYourdele on June 19, 2015, 02:44:08 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/trauma-and-violence/guns-violence-and-mental-health-did-we-close-state-mental-hospitals-prematurely

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Is it possible that we as a society care less for the plight of the seriously mentally ill than we did 100 or more years ago? Is homelessness an answer for these suffering individuals? Is incarceration with minimal mental health treatment an ethical solution? When the jails in our most populous counties become our largest public mental health facilities, we definitely have a problem—a problem we created—in how we respond to serious mental illness.6

Borrowing from the movie Field of Dreams, “If you build it, they will come,” we may simply need to build it, and build it, and build it, until a public mental hospital system exists where the seriously mentally ill may come for treatment. Good treatment for serious mental illness must be hospital-based and of sufficient duration to be effective. Outpatient treatment is for people of sufficiently sound mind to make decisions regarding their own health and treatment.


this proposal has everything.  keep your guns, take care of the sick, and govt-sponsored infrastructure spending.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 02:49:20 PM
So, small government republicans, how do you want to go about identifying and removing the crazy people within the constraints of the consitution

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/trauma-and-violence/guns-violence-and-mental-health-did-we-close-state-mental-hospitals-prematurely

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Is it possible that we as a society care less for the plight of the seriously mentally ill than we did 100 or more years ago? Is homelessness an answer for these suffering individuals? Is incarceration with minimal mental health treatment an ethical solution? When the jails in our most populous counties become our largest public mental health facilities, we definitely have a problem—a problem we created—in how we respond to serious mental illness.6

Borrowing from the movie Field of Dreams, “If you build it, they will come,” we may simply need to build it, and build it, and build it, until a public mental hospital system exists where the seriously mentally ill may come for treatment. Good treatment for serious mental illness must be hospital-based and of sufficient duration to be effective. Outpatient treatment is for people of sufficiently sound mind to make decisions regarding their own health and treatment.


this proposal has everything.  keep your guns, take care of the sick, and govt-sponsored infrastructure spending.

(http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz177/cnscasey/BrownbackNotsureifserious_zps66fd6758.png?1434743332733&1434743333790&1434743335841)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: illBisonYourdele on June 19, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
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There are indications, however, that mass violence events are committed by people in the midst of an episode of serious psychiatric disorder. This cannot be known for certain in every instance because perpetrators of mass violence often do not survive the event, and many have not previously seen a psychiatrist. These tragedies involve many factors: an untreated seriously mentally ill person; in unimaginable distress; with relatively easy access to military style weapons; and illegal psychoactive drugs; living in a society with substandard treatment of the seriously mentally ill; largely due to society’s unwillingness to adequately fund public mental health; in a culture increasingly lacking in cohesive societal responsiveness.11

- See more at: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/trauma-and-violence/guns-violence-and-mental-health-did-we-close-state-mental-hospitals-prematurely/page/0/2#sthash.tgbnwiNs.dpuf
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on June 19, 2015, 04:57:11 PM
Thank you Ronald Reagan for the state of mental healthcare. What a Republican hero.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 19, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
At this point I'd be down for confiscating all civilian guns and throwing them into a volcano, and then imposing just insanely humongous fines and jail sentences for any civilian who is found to have a gun, legal or not. Should be pretty easy, right? :Woot:


You could never obtain a permit for this. EPA would have a fit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 19, 2015, 05:06:56 PM
That's a great point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2015, 05:18:10 PM
like, the unfunnyness is actually impressive
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2015, 05:48:12 PM
Sweet christ, south carolina

Quote
Charleston County Magistrate James B. Gosnell began Friday’s bond hearing for mass-murderer Dylann Roof by declaring that the killer’s family members were victims as well.

At least he did not repeat an opinion that he offered in another proceeding a dozen years ago.

“There are four kinds of people in this world—black people, white people, red necks, and n---rs,” Gosnell advised a black defendant in a November 6, 2003 bond reduction hearing.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/19/racist-talk-from-dylann-roof-s-judge.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 19, 2015, 06:00:04 PM
I bet he gets re-elected for saying crap like that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 19, 2015, 06:11:16 PM
That kid is going to get time served with a judge like that.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 19, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
That kid is going to get time served with a judge like that.

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lol, holy crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on June 19, 2015, 06:45:57 PM
In my renocrystal  ball I see a kid with a bad haircut being introduced to his cell mate the Reverend Leroy Whiteboykiller.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on June 20, 2015, 02:48:29 PM
I bet in ten years no major changes have been made at a federal level, shootings that are worthy of making this thread happen more and more, and liberals and conservatives bicker more than ever blaming the other party for the fact that the number of these keeps increasing. It's a scary cycle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
FWIW, I don't think the number of these incidents is really increasing. And I don't think any serious conservative would blame liberals for this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 20, 2015, 05:33:39 PM
FWIW, I don't think the number of these incidents is really increasing. And I don't think any serious conservative would blame liberals for this.

i had the same initial reaction to stevsie's post, so i googled for it.  the number of deaths by guns is decreasing, but the number of mass killings of this type is increasing.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/18/11-essential-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2015, 05:46:16 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 21, 2015, 10:11:43 AM
What thread do we discuss these numbnuts insisting on flying the confederate flag?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 21, 2015, 11:03:22 AM
I think you should have the right to fly it on private property, but over public property is just stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 21, 2015, 12:31:39 PM
I think you should have the right to fly it on private property, but over public property is just stupid.

Totally, much easier to identify the buffoons if they will fly it at their trailer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 21, 2015, 01:29:45 PM
I think you should have the right to fly it on private property, but over public property is just stupid.

Totally, much easier to identify the buffoons if they will fly it at their trailer

Exactly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 21, 2015, 01:50:46 PM
Lol at the rubes flying it in Oklahoma which became a state about 40 years after the confederacy was dominated out of existence
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2015, 09:26:06 PM
Lol at the rubes flying it in Oklahoma which became a state about 40 years after the confederacy was dominated out of existence

They stand behind its racism, not its history.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2015, 08:58:22 AM
The only person who has ever told me "the south will rise again" and rough ridin' meant it was a guy I knew from OK. 

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 22, 2015, 09:03:18 AM
Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 22, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election

welp, lots of arguments with holes blown in them
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 22, 2015, 09:18:37 AM
At Father's day brunch, my mom told me that her high school (Raytown South) used the Confederate flag at football games, since they were Raytown South. Also they played some dixie song as their fight song.

Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 22, 2015, 09:47:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZB6nIl4.jpg)

Debated this thread or political Facebook thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:02:16 AM
At Father's day brunch, my mom told me that her high school (Raytown South) used the Confederate flag at football games, since they were Raytown South. Also they played some dixie song as their fight song.

This is so missouri
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 22, 2015, 10:07:18 AM
At Father's day brunch, my mom told me that her high school (Raytown South) used the Confederate flag at football games, since they were Raytown South. Also they played some dixie song as their fight song.

This is so missouri our parents generation.
fyp
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
No, it's more Missourian
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 22, 2015, 10:12:16 AM
No, it's more Missourian

Exactly.  I didn't attend Olathe South but I bet they didn't trot the confederate flag out at homecoming games.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 22, 2015, 11:06:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZB6nIl4.jpg)

Debated this thread or political Facebook thread

yeah, what's the big deal?  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 22, 2015, 11:08:47 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ZB6nIl4.jpg)

Debated this thread or political Facebook thread

yeah, what's the big deal?  :lol:
I mean, if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
The Confederate Battle Flag is not about racism.  The vast majority of those who fought for the South in the civil war weren't fighting for slavery.  They did not own slaves, and they would never be wealthy enough to be able to participate in the enterprise.  What they were fighting for was freedom from northern encroachment into their self-governance.

If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.  So, who decides which symbolic meanings should be attached to these flags?

For many Southerners, the Confederate Battle Flag is a nod to their past and a symbol of their rebellious spirit.  The displaying of the flag does not represent a true act of sedition, since those who fly it have been fully assimilated into the modern Republican Party. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.

I would be OK with this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

no, it means that if a person has died, there is a 1 in 167 chance that the person was murdered.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 22, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

no, it means that if a person has died, there is a 1 in 167 chance that the person was murdered.

what percent of people die sys?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 22, 2015, 12:36:12 PM

if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

no, it means that if a person has died, there is a 1 in 167 chance that the person was murdered.

Seems high regardless
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
Seems high regardless

yes, it does.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 12:39:11 PM
what percent of people die sys?

0% of everyone currently living.


undoubtedly, the graph misrepresents the data.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 12:56:02 PM
looked it up.  it's just annual death data, so exactly the misrepresentation you'd expect.  0.6% sounds high, but it works out to about 15k, which doesn't (at least to me).  so basically, fewer people die in the us than what i would have guessed (or my brain doesn't process small %s well).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on June 22, 2015, 01:29:55 PM
For many Southerners, the Confederate Battle Flag is a nod to their past and a symbol of their rebellious spirit.

also racism
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on June 22, 2015, 01:36:55 PM
It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2015, 01:44:31 PM
It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.
It's pretty simple.  You wanna burn my American flag? I'm gonna raise the stars n bars up that middle finger called a flagpole.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on June 22, 2015, 01:45:14 PM
It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.
It's pretty simple.  You wanna burn my American flag? I'm gonna raise the stars n bars up that middle finger called a flagpole.

wait who are you imitating here

did you get a gpc sub
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.
It's pretty simple.  You wanna burn my American flag? I'm gonna raise the stars n bars up that middle finger called a flagpole.

wait who are you imitating here

did you get a gpc sub
I'm proud of my country and constitution. My right to display the flag is protected by the first amendment. You flag - burning liberals should be hanged.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on June 22, 2015, 01:51:44 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 22, 2015, 02:01:08 PM
I thought this was a debate about whether to fly the confederate flag over the statehouse. I'm not Ok with that. Then I learned that the flag actually flies over a Confederate war memorial located on the statehouse grounds. Seems fine to me. Is this going to be the latest bullshit "10 Commandments" issue everyone gets all bent out of shape over?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 22, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
seems fine to me
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 22, 2015, 02:12:35 PM
So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2015, 02:15:40 PM
Yes, it is a war memorial on the Capital campus.  I agree it is a bit misleading the way the story is being reported.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 22, 2015, 03:33:11 PM
omg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 22, 2015, 03:36:25 PM
So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.

Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2015, 03:38:55 PM
The south is disgusting in a lot of ways.  Can you imagine if they won independence and didn't have us to keep them somewhat in line on some of the basics of taking care of crap and not being horrible disgusting ppl?  They would be one of the worst countries on the planet. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2015, 03:44:02 PM
The south is disgusting in a lot of ways.  Can you imagine if they won independence and didn't have us to keep them somewhat in line on some of the basics of taking care of crap and not being horrible disgusting ppl?  They would be one of the worst countries on the planet.

They would have allied themselves with Hitler during WW2. We probably would have nuked those mother fuckers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2015, 03:44:54 PM
The south is disgusting in a lot of ways.  Can you imagine if they won independence and didn't have us to keep them somewhat in line on some of the basics of taking care of crap and not being horrible disgusting ppl?  They would be one of the worst countries on the planet.

They would have allied themselves with Hitler during WW2. We probably would have nuked those mother fuckers.

No way.  Hitler would have demanded that all slaves be put to the gas chamber eventually.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 22, 2015, 03:46:30 PM
So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.

Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election

It was also carried into battle by the Confederacy, but I guess that little detail doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.

Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election

It was also carried into battle by the Confederacy, but I guess that little detail doesn't matter?

Well, maybe they should put the flag on display inside the museum in a historically accurate way, rather than flying it outside with the US flag.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 03:50:43 PM
Why don't they use the actual csa flag instead of the one that racist decided to take
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on June 22, 2015, 03:51:21 PM
wikipedia says this was their last national flag.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg/900px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg.png)
do they fly this one anywhere down there?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
wikipedia says this was their last national flag.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg/900px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg.png)
do they fly this one anywhere down there?

that's a poorly designed flag. my goodness.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on June 22, 2015, 03:56:12 PM
wikipedia says this was their last national flag.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg/900px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg.png)
do they fly this one anywhere down there?

that's a poorly designed flag. my goodness.

adobe boycotted the csa so all they had was ms paint
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on June 22, 2015, 03:59:26 PM
Current MS state flag:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Flag_of_Mississippi.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Mississippi.svg.png)


 :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2015, 04:01:05 PM
Current MS state flag:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Flag_of_Mississippi.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Mississippi.svg.png)


 :facepalm: :facepalm:

Turn it upside down and it looks like a sterotypical Mississippian.  Red neck, conf flag tat on shoulder, white beater tee, blue jorts.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Nobody who is alive today was a slave or fought for the confederacy, therefore, anyone purporting to be offended by it or nostalgic about it should be summarily executed for wasting our precious oxygen.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2015, 04:03:17 PM
If anything, those who fly the flag today are worse than those who fought for the Confederacy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 22, 2015, 04:04:59 PM
Current MS state flag:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Flag_of_Mississippi.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Mississippi.svg.png)


 :facepalm: :facepalm:

Turn it upside down and it looks like a sterotypical Mississippian.  Red neck, conf flag tat on shoulder, white beater tee, blue jorts.

upside down like the bolton guy?

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140502122429/gameofthrones/images/a/a2/House-Bolton-heraldry-no-background.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 04:08:45 PM
If anything, those who fly the flag today are worse than those who fought for the Confederacy.

Because they haven't formally and properly seceded from the union, or because the Confederate war museum is a racist?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2015, 04:08:58 PM
That works too, I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2015, 04:23:41 PM
If anything, those who fly the flag today are worse than those who fought for the Confederacy.

Because they haven't formally and properly seceded from the union, or because the Confederate war museum is a racist?

Because the confederate flag wasn't the racist symbol that it is today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on June 22, 2015, 06:11:42 PM
If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.

Hell yeah
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 22, 2015, 06:21:55 PM
Luked?

https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/613050071291154432
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: jmlynch1 on June 22, 2015, 06:25:51 PM
The Confederate Battle Flag is not about racism.  The vast majority of those who fought for the South in the civil war weren't fighting for slavery.  They did not own slaves, and they would never be wealthy enough to be able to participate in the enterprise.  What they were fighting for was freedom from northern encroachment into their self-governance.

If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.  So, who decides which symbolic meanings should be attached to these flags?

For many Southerners, the Confederate Battle Flag is a nod to their past and a symbol of their rebellious spirit.  The displaying of the flag does not represent a true act of sedition, since those who fly it have been fully assimilated into the modern Republican Party.
The winners
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
Luked?

https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/613050071291154432

I feel like people keep trying to make excuses for the south's racism by shifting the blame to a single weirdo kid when it's an entire culture of racist fucks that made a weirdo kid a homicidal racist.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 06:50:33 PM
I caught myself in Wee Britain (arrested development reference ) yesterday. Not only do these backwoods hillbillies still drive on the wrong side of the road, but they also still fly the old union jack proudly and profusely. I was so offended!

Don't they know we won that war? Don't they know how offensive is to tea and tobacco farmers? One of my ancestors was an Indian (casino, not convenience store) who faught alongside the British in the revolutionary war for money. When those idiots lost to a bunch of New York peasants he was imprisoned and his undeveloped land farmed fo, get this, profit. I hate everyone!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on June 22, 2015, 06:56:06 PM
The Confederate Battle Flag is not about racism.  The vast majority of those who fought for the South in the civil war weren't fighting for slavery.  They did not own slaves, and they would never be wealthy enough to be able to participate in the enterprise.  What they were fighting for was freedom from northern encroachment into their self-governance.

If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.  So, who decides which symbolic meanings should be attached to these flags?

For many Southerners, the Confederate Battle Flag is a nod to their past and a symbol of their rebellious spirit.  The displaying of the flag does not represent a true act of sedition, since those who fly it have been fully assimilated into the modern Republican Party.

the comparison is valid, but to me there is a difference because the confederate flag was used as a symbol in the "fight" against the civil rights movement, which is much more recent and relevant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 22, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.

Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election

It was also carried into battle by the Confederacy, but I guess that little detail doesn't matter?

Well, maybe they should put the flag on display inside the museum in a historically accurate way, rather than flying it outside with the US flag.

Like maybe at a confederate war memorial? That's seems pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
there shouldn't be a confederate war memorial. they were a bunch of dirtbags, and dirtbags don't deserve memorials.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 07:30:45 PM
Wonder which flag flys over the timothy McVeigh memorial
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2015, 08:59:17 PM
So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.

Quote
The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election

It was also carried into battle by the Confederacy, but I guess that little detail doesn't matter?

Well, maybe they should put the flag on display inside the museum in a historically accurate way, rather than flying it outside with the US flag.

Like maybe at a confederate war memorial? That's seems pretty accurate.

If the memorial were a statue of a bunch of Southerners getting their asses kicked in battle, putting a confederate flag in their hands would be fine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on June 22, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
et tu Walmart?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/confederate-flag-walmart-south-carolina/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 22, 2015, 10:02:06 PM
there shouldn't be a confederate war memorial. they were a bunch of dirtbags, and dirtbags don't deserve memorials.

Yeah no. It's ok for them to have memorials.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 10:04:42 PM


there shouldn't be a confederate war memorial. they were a bunch of dirtbags, and dirtbags don't deserve memorials.

Yeah no. It's ok for them to have memorials.

Is it ok for the 9-11 terrorists to have memorials?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:05:36 PM


there shouldn't be a confederate war memorial. they were a bunch of dirtbags, and dirtbags don't deserve memorials.

Yeah no. It's ok for them to have memorials.

Is it ok for the 9-11 terrorists to have memorials?

south carolina flag looks kinda muslimy, maybe we can have it fly over the terrorists memorial
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 22, 2015, 10:10:51 PM


there shouldn't be a confederate war memorial. they were a bunch of dirtbags, and dirtbags don't deserve memorials.

Yeah no. It's ok for them to have memorials.

Is it ok for the 9-11 terrorists to have memorials?

Did you really just compare confederate soldiers to terrorist who intentionally targeted civilians for murder? What a pit thing to do. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
who do you think would be a better comparison?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 10:15:43 PM


there shouldn't be a confederate war memorial. they were a bunch of dirtbags, and dirtbags don't deserve memorials.

Yeah no. It's ok for them to have memorials.

Is it ok for the 9-11 terrorists to have memorials?

Did you really just compare confederate soldiers to terrorist who intentionally targeted civilians for mudded?

Yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2015, 10:23:31 PM
Typical ksuw, murdering up the waters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 10:34:25 PM
 :horrorsurprise: :lol:

People that think the civil war was about racism or slavery are the retardiest. If you want to argue the Confederate flag is now a symbol of racism because of all the Dixiecrat KKK crap, fine. I think the swastika was once a symbol of piece. But to say the Confederate army doesn't deserve a memorial is outrageous, ignorant, bigoted, hateful and everything you dipshits purport to be against (but really are not)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:35:09 PM
i wonder how gun advocates will react to this...

http://www.inquisitr.com/2193122/charleston-shooting-sparks-hashtag-wewillshootback/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:41:44 PM
someone should have informed the confederate states that the civil war wasn't about slavery


Quote
Georgia, second sentence of their declaration:

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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Mississippi, second sentence

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In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

South Carolina, first run-on sentence:

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The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right.

Texas, there's some build-up, but eff if Texas doesn't go all Aggy about slavery and how blacks are supposed to serve whites.

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The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then a free, sovereign and independent nation, the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof.

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

Virginia makes it clear her identity as a state is tied to slaveholding in the first paragraph.

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THE SECESSION ORDINANCE.
AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL THE RATIFICATION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, AND TO RESUME ALL THE RIGHTS AND POWERS GRANTED UNDER SAID CONSTITUTION.

The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 10:43:35 PM
See what I mean.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 10:45:40 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:47:54 PM
fsd:
doesn't believe in science
doesn't believe in history
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
A confederate war museum seems like a misuse of public funds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:50:57 PM
the teahadists love the csa though because they actually did what the teahadists don't have the balls to do; (is that proper use spracne?) commit treason against the united states
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2015, 10:54:59 PM
the teahadists love the csa though because they actually did what the teahadists don't have the balls to do; (is that proper use spracne?) commit treason against the united states
No--an em dash would have been your friend. The semicolon connects phrases each of which could stand as complete sentences.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
gah, i hate grammer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 10:58:56 PM
Yes

a really stupid thing to do.  they fought for a horrible cause.  it was also in line with the accepted mores of the time and place.  judging people by the standards of different times is stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 11:04:28 PM


Yes

a really stupid thing to do.  they fought for a horrible cause.  it was also in line with the accepted mores of the time and place.  judging people by the standards of different times is stupid.

They were pretty much the last slavery holdouts of the civilized world at the time. And it's ok to change standards for "honor" or whatever as you gain perspective.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 11:06:19 PM
They were pretty much the last slavery holdouts of the civilized world at the time.

no they weren't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 11:09:39 PM
They were pretty much the last slavery holdouts of the civilized world at the time.

no they weren't.
Portugese and French island colonies? Where else?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 11:10:56 PM
Portugese and French island colonies? Where else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
Pretty sly of those southern plantation owners to get millions of men without slaves to die for slavery so the aristocrats could hang onto slaves until the cotton gin came around a few years later.  No way that war was about the industrialized states ruining the southern economy for their own financial gain.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 11:14:51 PM
Portugese and French island colonies? Where else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
I guess it depends on how you define "civilized world"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2015, 11:17:25 PM
next we are going to find out fsd is a holocaust denier
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 11:18:51 PM

I guess it depends on how you define "civilized world"

are you defining it as places where slaves were never held significant numbers plus areas that had recently experienced armed rebellions resulting in the abolition of slavery plus the british west indies?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2015, 11:21:36 PM
It was def about their economy, which just happened to be bolstered almost exclusively by slave labor.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 11:23:16 PM



I guess it depends on how you define "civilized world"

are you defining it as places where slaves were never held significant numbers plus areas that had recently experienced armed rebellions resulting in the abolition of slavery plus the british west indies?

I was thinking Europe and the Americas. Slavery was fairly prevalent in parts of Europe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 11:26:06 PM
Slavery was fairly prevalent in parts of Europe.

i don't think that's true, assuming you're not talking about romans or serfs.  but feel free to provide evidence.  prevalent meaning commonly practiced, not commonly legal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 22, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
i guess it was mildly common in the ottoman empire, which controlled a pretty good chunk of europe for a time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2015, 11:46:55 PM
Slavery was fairly prevalent in parts of Europe.

i don't think that's true, assuming you're not talking about romans or serfs.  but feel free to provide evidence.  prevalent meaning commonly practiced, not commonly legal.
Here's a quick example - I'm running around and on my phone so I haven't been too thorough:

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By the year 1552 African slaves made up 10 percent of the population of Lisbon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_slavery

I'll acknowledge that the prevalence of slavery in the south was largely born out of geography, but I don't think that means those that fought to preserve it deserve to be revered, especially when the lasting effects of that culture still creates problems today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 23, 2015, 12:08:28 AM
good find on lisbon.  i'm guessing they were still an relatively minor part of the population of portugal as a whole.


i agree on not revering them.  but i also think it's pretty facile to simply label them dirtbags as if that explains anything.  if you and i had been young white men in south carolina in 1860, it's a good bet we'd have done the same thing all the other young white men were doing.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 12:45:57 AM


if you and i had been young white men in south carolina in 1860, it's a good bet we'd have done the same thing all the other young white men were doing.

probably. If we grew up penniless in Saudi Arabia there's a good chance we would have gladly flown a plane into a skyscraper for Allah, too.

(Also, I wouldn't have used "dirtbags" in a conversation with you, while I still don't think it's necessary for them to have a memorial on the grounds of the current seat of government.)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2015, 07:57:27 AM
good debate guys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 08:33:34 AM
:D
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 23, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
Different time and whatever, forget slavery...that flag represents treason.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 09:11:35 AM
next we are going to find out fsd is a holocaust denier

Keep it up, you don't look like a dumbass at all. Nobody is laughing at how ignorant you are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2015, 09:44:43 AM
I am loving FSD in this thread.  The indian casino/convenience store blast!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 23, 2015, 10:04:49 AM
A confederate war museum seems like a misuse of public funds.

IMO a museum and a memorial are not the same. A museum can document history without glorifying the confederate states and their position on slavery.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on June 23, 2015, 11:49:56 AM
FSD is definitely a mental gymnastics gold medalist
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 23, 2015, 12:08:16 PM
A confederate war museum seems like a misuse of public funds.

IMO a museum and a memorial are not the same. A museum can document history without glorifying the confederate states and their position on slavery.

Whether it's a museum or memorial kind of becomes a moot point when it takes a 2/3 majority in the state legislature to take it down.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on June 23, 2015, 12:27:17 PM
Luked?

https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/613050071291154432

I feel like people keep trying to make excuses for the south's racism by shifting the blame to a single weirdo kid when it's an entire culture of racist fucks that made a weirdo kid a homicidal racist.

i don't think they made him homicidal.  any more than any of the other parts of the country have made various mass murders homicidal.  racist sure. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 12:29:42 PM
Kinda surprised he didnt shoot up the girl or something like that if she was the problem.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on June 23, 2015, 12:31:53 PM
Kinda surprised he didnt shoot up the girl or something like that if she was the problem.   :dunno:

well he apparently didn't kill the new bf either.  who knew mass murders could be so irrational. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 12:34:14 PM
Kinda surprised he didnt shoot up the girl or something like that if she was the problem.   :dunno:

well he apparently didn't kill the new bf either.  who knew mass murders could be so irrational.

point taken
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
Luked?

https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/613050071291154432

I feel like people keep trying to make excuses for the south's racism by shifting the blame to a single weirdo kid when it's an entire culture of racist fucks that made a weirdo kid a homicidal racist.

i don't think they made him homicidal.  any more than any of the other parts of the country have made various mass murders homicidal.  racist sure. 

perhaps. It definitely led him to target a specific group and may have made him to value the lives of blacks less than those of whites (which would theoretically make him more likely to murder blacks).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mr Bread on June 23, 2015, 12:45:53 PM
tough to say of course, but i think it's likely he was going to kill people at some point in his life racist or not. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2015, 01:20:39 PM
VA is removing the option to have the flag on their plates, ebay will no longer allow the sale of the flag, walmart removing anything from shelves with the flag on it, sc taking the flag down at the state house memorial or whatever it is, MS is getting a heavy shaming about it and will probably have a state flag redesign (but it's MS so maybe not).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 01:25:10 PM
VA is removing the option to have the flag on their plates, ebay will no longer allow the sale of the flag, walmart removing anything from shelves with the flag on it, sc taking the flag down at the state house memorial or whatever it is, MS is getting a heavy shaming about it and will probably have a state flag redesign (but it's MS so maybe not).

the Mississippi state house majority leader (R) said it should change

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/06/22/petition-mississippi-confederate-flag/29113157/

I think it's all a distraction from real discussions on race (and guns) all over the country, but it's better than nothing and a worthy movement.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on June 23, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
You guys, all of my trashy redneck neighbors will be so mad about all of this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 01:27:17 PM
VA is removing the option to have the flag on their plates, ebay will no longer allow the sale of the flag, walmart removing anything from shelves with the flag on it, sc taking the flag down at the state house memorial or whatever it is, MS is getting a heavy shaming about it and will probably have a state flag redesign (but it's MS so maybe not).

the Mississippi state house majority leader (R) said it should change

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/06/22/petition-mississippi-confederate-flag/29113157/

I think it's all a distraction from real discussions on race (and guns) all over the country, but it's better than nothing and a worthy movement.

Baby steps, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 01:27:56 PM
VA is removing the option to have the flag on their plates, ebay will no longer allow the sale of the flag, walmart removing anything from shelves with the flag on it, sc taking the flag down at the state house memorial or whatever it is, MS is getting a heavy shaming about it and will probably have a state flag redesign (but it's MS so maybe not).

the Mississippi state house majority leader (R) said it should change

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/06/22/petition-mississippi-confederate-flag/29113157/

I think it's all a distraction from real discussions on race (and guns) all over the country, but it's better than nothing and a worthy movement.

Baby steps, though.

yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 23, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
I wonder if that guy in Peru, KS is going to take down his Confederate flag now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 23, 2015, 01:29:56 PM
You guys, all of my trashy redneck neighbors will be so mad about all of this

On the contrary... I really wish I were in the Confederate Flag business nowadays.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on June 23, 2015, 01:37:12 PM
NASCAR said they are cool with getting rid of it. So many women are accidentally walking into doors tonight
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2015, 01:38:56 PM
You guys, all of my trashy redneck neighbors will be so mad about all of this

On the contrary... I really wish I were in the Confederate Flag business nowadays.

Yeah. You could make bank making gigantic confederate flags and selling them over the internet right now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 01:39:31 PM
You guys, all of my trashy redneck neighbors will be so mad about all of this

On the contrary... I really wish I were in the Confederate Flag business nowadays.

yep.  The gas stations carrying the bumper stickers, hats, bandanas, etc might as well move that decimal point a digit to the right. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 23, 2015, 01:40:43 PM
All this confederate flag BS is going to lead to more displays of racism, not less.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
All this confederate flag BS is going to lead to more displays of racism, not less.

Maybe in the short term.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
All this confederate flag BS is going to lead to more displays of racism, not less.

Initially, probably.  A generation from now, probably not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 01:44:28 PM
how so?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 23, 2015, 01:46:36 PM
how so?

Is this directed at my assertion or theirs?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 01:47:42 PM
how so?

Is this directed at my assertion or theirs?

yours
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on June 23, 2015, 01:49:41 PM
Freeze frame

'Seems like Bo and Luke have gotten themselves in a real hum-dinger.'

Cue music
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 23, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
how so?

Is this directed at my assertion or theirs?

yours

Unless you believe that rednecks are too stupid to acquire products unless they are sold at Walmart (which you could argue), then:

(1) The recent acrimony will increase the demand for the Confederate Battle Flag and other related paraphernalia, and;

(2) The market will supply enough product to satisfy that demand

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 02:03:34 PM
how so?

Is this directed at my assertion or theirs?

yours

Unless you believe that rednecks are too stupid to acquire products unless they are sold at Walmart (which you could argue), then:

(1) The recent acrimony will increase the demand for the Confederate Battle Flag and other related paraphernalia, and;

(2) The market will supply enough product to satisfy that demand
Ah, I thought you were talking about displays of racism in general, not specifically the flag.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
how so?

Is this directed at my assertion or theirs?

yours

Unless you believe that rednecks are too stupid to acquire products unless they are sold at Walmart (which you could argue), then:

(1) The recent acrimony will increase the demand for the Confederate Battle Flag and other related paraphernalia, and;

(2) The market will supply enough product to satisfy that demand

 I have no doubt there will be an initial surge of ppl buying these things specifically in response to this.  I also have no doubt that it will fall off quickly in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 23, 2015, 03:16:32 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/target-amazon-pull-confederate-goods-sites-sales-spike-amazon-n380441?cid=sm_fb
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 23, 2015, 04:04:43 PM
One of the guys here at work asked another guy (from Alabama) if he had a bunch of confederate flags that he was going to dig up to sell, and the guy said yes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 10:53:30 PM
good find on lisbon.  i'm guessing they were still an relatively minor part of the population of portugal as a whole.


i agree on not revering them.  but i also think it's pretty facile to simply label them dirtbags as if that explains anything.  if you and i had been young white men in south carolina in 1860, it's a good bet we'd have done the same thing all the other young white men were doing.



Ta-Nehisi Coates (who is brilliant when it comes to racial issues) has an interesting perspective on this:

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/613534778432823296

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/613535857891504133

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/613544992649428992

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/613545791345528832

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/613548892869763072

His whole timeline right now is a great read
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
here you go rusty http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 11:10:36 PM
here you go rusty http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/

By the time "the civil war started when the Confederates bombarded fort sumpter" 7 states had seceded and the fort had been under sieges since James Buchanan was president. :lol:

 Welcome to fantasy land, a history of anecdotal quotes arranged to propagate the ignorant masses
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:12:32 PM
i'm not sure the masses read random articles on the atlantic
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 11:17:02 PM
 :lol:

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:26:52 PM
is FSD suggesting that the Civil War began before the Ft. Sumter attack? :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:30:15 PM
is FSD suggesting that the Civil War began before the Ft. Sumter attack? :lol:

well yesterday he told me it had nothing at all to do with slavery, so maybe he's actually talking about a different civil war
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on June 24, 2015, 12:31:41 AM
What is going to happen to all the Yeezus swag?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 24, 2015, 09:03:54 AM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Wichita-activists-ask-City-to-take-down-Confederate-flag-at-Veterans-Memorial-Park--309430801.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 24, 2015, 09:09:35 AM

Why on earth would Wichita have a confederate flag?  KS was never part of the CSA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
Wichita is the Oklahoma of Western KS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2015, 11:56:25 AM
is FSD suggesting that the Civil War began before the Ft. Sumter attack? :lol:
:lol:

1) how did you get that?
2) unless you consider a siege an attack, you are ignorant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 11:59:46 AM
is FSD suggesting that the Civil War began before the Ft. Sumter attack? :lol:
:lol:

1) how did you get that?
2) unless you consider a siege an attack, you are ignorant.

Quote
On Friday, April 12, 1861, at 4:30 a.m., Confederate batteries opened fire, firing for 34 straight hours, on the fort.

I think quite a few people would consider that an attack. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2015, 03:05:57 PM
is FSD suggesting that the Civil War began before the Ft. Sumter attack? :lol:
:lol:

1) how did you get that?
2) unless you consider a siege an attack, you are ignorant.

Quote
On Friday, April 12, 1861, at 4:30 a.m., Confederate batteries opened fire, firing for 34 straight hours, on the fort.

I think quite a few people would consider that an attack. :dunno:

Weird attempt at deflecting from your own dumbassery. 

Suffice it to say, it's your opinion that the sole issue of the civil war was slavery, and any person affiliated with the CSA, then or by ancestral ties, a racist. The former is known to be false by anyone who managed to stay awake during high school history, and the latter a bigoted stereotype.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
what in the world?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2015, 03:12:03 PM

Just retreat. Don't repeatedly claim the "south is racist" and that the Confederate soldiers "don't deserve a memorial", then act like you have no idea why I'm calling you a moron.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on June 24, 2015, 03:42:41 PM
Even if we pretend that the south isn't racist, there still shouldn't be a memorial to the losers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2015, 03:44:25 PM
^treasonous losers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on June 24, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
Serious response re: confederate flag
It is awesome. Whoever flies one should be allowed to. It helps me personally quickly judge their character.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 24, 2015, 04:00:54 PM
Wichita is the Oklahoma of Western KS

"Wichita- the oklahoma of western ks"

would buy this t-shirt
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 24, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Serious response re: confederate flag
It is awesome. Whoever flies one should be allowed to. It helps me personally quickly judge their character.

That is my point.  see flag, think to self "there is someone I am smarter than and who is a gross racist"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2015, 04:47:01 PM
Is fsd one of the authors of that the south was right! Book?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 24, 2015, 05:22:21 PM
Ta-Nehisi Coates

this guy sounds like he tries to be honest, with himself and others.  i like him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
Ta-Nehisi Coates

this guy sounds like he tries to be honest, with himself and others.  i like him.

Me too.  He has a very ethnic-sounding name, so when I support his ideas among my peers, they can be sure I'm very open-minded.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 29, 2015, 10:32:01 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/29/six-predominately-black-southern-churches-burn-within-a-week-with-arson-suspected-in-at-least-three/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 08:43:52 AM
I don't know which thread to post this picture in.
Can anyone tell me what it says on that Confederate flag?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on July 01, 2015, 08:50:15 AM
I can't see but I'm guessing "Get 'er done".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 08:52:41 AM
I can't see but I'm guessing "Get 'er done".

It starts with "RE"....it doesn't look like "REBEL"....it looks more like "REVENGE" to me.  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 01, 2015, 09:10:19 AM
redneck....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dmartin on July 01, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
I don't know which thread to post this picture in.
Can anyone tell me what it says on that Confederate flag?

Pretty sure it says REDNECK.. damn, roid beat me.

So I'll add this.

(http://www.proudrebel.com/images/flag_redneck.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on July 16, 2015, 06:43:36 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-police-officer-shot-near-tennessee-army-recruiting-center/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-police-officer-shot-near-tennessee-army-recruiting-center/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on July 23, 2015, 09:07:49 PM
Another day another shooting.   Louisiana police respond to movie theater shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/louisiana-theater-shooting/index.html


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on July 24, 2015, 08:26:34 AM
I was at that same movie at the same time last night. :Wha:

Good thing I don't live in god awful Louisiana
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ben ji on July 24, 2015, 09:41:13 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/29620831/man-caught-casing-shawnee-mission-west-high-allegedly-had-piles-of-guns

OVERLAND PARK, KS (KCTV) -
A mentally troubled former Shawnee Mission West High School student was caught casing the school and piles of shotguns and rifles were found in his bedroom, according to district officials.

Zachary Perry, 19, who graduated last year, was charged Thursday with aggravated criminal threat.

John Douglass, who leads public safety efforts for the school district and is former police chief for the Overland Park Police Department, said more than 600 students are attending summer school this week and he believes a school shooting was likely prevented.

"This was a very serious situation," Douglass said.

Two students contacted campus security Wednesday morning after the 19-year-old allegedly threatened him. Once they were on guard for him and closed off the school, authorities captured him seemingly casing the school on Wednesday. This included spotting him on surveillance video.

Police then arrested the man across from the school. Once officers went to the area home where Perry was staying, Douglass said officers found numerous rifles and shotguns piled up in his bedroom. The weapons belonged to his grandfather.

The teen is troubled and has experienced tragic situations in his life, Douglass said.

He said the district's systems to prevent violence worked this week. Parents were notified on Thursday.

"I commend the students who recognized the concern and made the report," according to a statement from Eddie LyDay, director of the summer school program. "We appreciate our police partners for their assistance in keeping our school and community safe."

The school is located at 8800 W. 85th St. in Overland Park. Perry had just returned to the area from Texas.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2015, 10:14:21 AM
Snitch
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 05, 2015, 02:12:45 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-respond-to-reports-of-active-shooter-at-nashville-theater_55c25acfe4b0138b0bf4d463?o59ltyb9 

Police are on the scene of a Tennessee movie theater after receiving a call of an active shooter.

The Nashville Police Department told The Huffington Post that a call came in at 1:13 p.m. with a report of a person with a weapon at Carmike 8 Cinemas in Antioch. EMS units and police are currently on the scene. A spokeswoman for the department said the incident is currently ongoing, and could not offer further information.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 05, 2015, 09:56:08 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-respond-to-reports-of-active-shooter-at-nashville-theater_55c25acfe4b0138b0bf4d463?o59ltyb9 

Police are on the scene of a Tennessee movie theater after receiving a call of an active shooter.

The Nashville Police Department told The Huffington Post that a call came in at 1:13 p.m. with a report of a person with a weapon at Carmike 8 Cinemas in Antioch. EMS units and police are currently on the scene. A spokeswoman for the department said the incident is currently ongoing, and could not offer further information.

Suicide by cop.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 06, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-respond-to-reports-of-active-shooter-at-nashville-theater_55c25acfe4b0138b0bf4d463?o59ltyb9 

Police are on the scene of a Tennessee movie theater after receiving a call of an active shooter.

The Nashville Police Department told The Huffington Post that a call came in at 1:13 p.m. with a report of a person with a weapon at Carmike 8 Cinemas in Antioch. EMS units and police are currently on the scene. A spokeswoman for the department said the incident is currently ongoing, and could not offer further information.

Suicide by cop.

Prob, but he did hit one guy with that hatchet.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 11, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
http://www.ketv.com/news/police-suspects-12-and-13-years-old-arrested-after-gunfire/34652062
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 11, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
One of the good guys that carry, right?
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/north-carolina-open-carry-advocate-shoots-and-kills-toddler-sons-after-domestic-dispute/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 12, 2015, 08:02:09 AM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 12, 2015, 08:50:30 AM
Why on earth would you call an ambulance to pick that guy up?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 12, 2015, 08:55:27 AM
The mom just left her kids with the crazy, drunk, gun-toting father?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 12, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
sickening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 12, 2015, 11:04:33 AM
gahd dammit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 07:27:23 AM
Wtf
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 07:28:19 AM
https://youtu.be/DbG7uFxVfnY (https://youtu.be/DbG7uFxVfnY)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 08:14:09 AM
https://youtu.be/DbG7uFxVfnY (https://youtu.be/DbG7uFxVfnY)

That's a scary video.

Here's the story.
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/law-enforcement-investigating-incident-at-bridgewater-plaza/34923086
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 08:18:07 AM
Good god.  How awful. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TownieCat on August 26, 2015, 08:19:59 AM
Do not watch. That's rough ridin' terrifying.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 08:20:18 AM
This has screenshots of the shooter.

http://mashable.com/2015/08/26/virginia-wdbj7-shooting/ 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: KCFDcat on August 26, 2015, 08:33:19 AM
Totally mumped up.  TV stations around the country will be showing video of the most terrifying moment of their lives... Sucks we live in such a media driven society.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 08:33:36 AM
Reporter and cam guy died according to NYT just now

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TownieCat on August 26, 2015, 08:48:33 AM
Reporter and cam guy died according to NYT just now

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They were reportedly engaged :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 26, 2015, 08:49:44 AM
Reporter and cam guy died according to NYT just now

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They were reportedly engaged :frown:

no, the lady was dating an anchor, not cameraman. he was engaged to someone else i think.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TownieCat on August 26, 2015, 08:52:16 AM
Reporter and cam guy died according to NYT just now

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They were reportedly engaged :frown:

no, the lady was dating an anchor, not cameraman. he was engaged to someone else i think.
I had read that a couple of places but you never really know in situations like this. Media often times report unconfirmed messages.

Either way, just an awful story.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 08:55:14 AM
eff it, I'm done. Take everyone's guns. Society as a whole has lost the right to have them.

And eff me for watching the video
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
Do not watch. That's rough ridin' terrifying.

extremely mumped.

i wish i did not watch it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: KCFDcat on August 26, 2015, 09:04:29 AM
eff it, I'm done. Take everyone's guns. Society as a whole has lost the right to have them.

And eff me for watching the video
Yup. All of this

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 09:05:18 AM
CNN says authorities have an ID and license plate of the shooter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 26, 2015, 09:11:12 AM
CNN says authorities have an ID and license plate of the shooter.

They will catch him, and it won't matter for crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 09:15:10 AM
Yep.  It hasn't mattered one bit that any past dumbass has been caught.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 26, 2015, 09:17:24 AM
supposedly a disgruntled employee. what an bad person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 09:17:57 AM
supposedly a disgruntled employee. what an bad person.

employee of what? the news station?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 09:18:23 AM
Can't imagine hating a job so much that the answer is shooting anyone rather than finding a different job.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 09:22:25 AM
supposedly a disgruntled employee. what an bad person.

employee of what? the news station?

Yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 09:23:16 AM
It was the cameraman's last day on the job. His wife was a producer and had just taken a job in North Carolina. She watched the shooting live in the control room.

 :blindfold:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 09:23:54 AM
jfc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 26, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
2 people were shot to death in Chicago last night. 3 the night before. 6 over the weekend.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 26, 2015, 09:51:07 AM
How long before someone blames this on the station's policy of not allowing on air talent to be armed during live remotes?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
How long before someone blames this on the station's policy of not allowing on air talent to be armed during live remotes?

Right before crazy people show up with assault rifles to "protect" other news station's camera crews
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:01:28 AM
How long before someone blames this on the station's policy of not allowing on air talent to be armed during live remotes?

Yep.  They could have defended themselves because obviously the guy was like "hey, I'm going to come up behind and shoot at you!  Get your guns ready if you have them!" 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
this is why i roll my eyes out of my head when people flip out about the terrorists allegedly pouring into our country.

who needs terrorists when the american dream can come shoot you to death at any moment when you're just chillin, minding your business, doing your job, going to school, eating at dennys or whatever else it is we do every day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:09:32 AM
Vester Flanagan (went by name Bryce Williams) is a former (possibly disgruntled) employee that is a suspect in the shooting.

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11953018_908185385894705_8732106054079256236_n.png?oh=3ec761330c87cbba1f09458753fb4380&oe=56755E3C)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 10:11:07 AM
Definitely looks like the guy from the video with the gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2015, 10:13:07 AM
I could really go for some dennys right now puni
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:15:39 AM
This is happening....

https://twitter.com/bryce_williams7 (https://twitter.com/bryce_williams7)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Probably fake though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
wut
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
Not fake.  Don't watch!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:18:14 AM
DO NOT WATCH
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
no rough ridin' way
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
didnt watch the second vid. will not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2015, 10:21:15 AM
How long before someone blames this on the station's policy of not allowing on air talent to be armed during live remotes?

Right before crazy people show up with assault rifles to "protect" other news station's camera crews

Nope, this is going to be the leading "white lives matter" story
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 10:21:24 AM
Account suspended now. Oh boy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
my god
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 10:21:42 AM
OMG
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:22:06 AM
He also posted on his FB page.
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Post by: MeatSauce on August 26, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
oh god, that's chilling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
Unfortunately it's 100% real, he uploaded, on his facebook account, a gopro video of himself shooting these people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 10:24:27 AM
Not watching. Nope.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
So this bad person is camped out somewhere, uploading the video for all to watch.  Getting his 5 mins of fame and revenge on two former colleagues that didn't get along with him or whatever.  Hopefully he will be caught soon since he just posted that crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 10:27:10 AM
don't watch, I wish I hadn't seen it. I only watched because I thought it was a hoax
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 10:28:31 AM
So this bad person is camped out somewhere, uploading the video for all to watch.  Getting his 5 mins of fame and revenge on two former colleagues that didn't get along with him or whatever.  Hopefully he will be caught soon since he just posted that crap.

They have been chasing him for an hour. I'm guessing he's doing this while surrounded by the authorities.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 26, 2015, 10:29:07 AM
So this bad person is camped out somewhere, uploading the video for all to watch.  Getting his 5 mins of fame and revenge on two former colleagues that didn't get along with him or whatever.  Hopefully he will be caught soon since he just posted that crap.

I doubt he'll be alive much longer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 10:32:15 AM
There are pictures of the victims and the murderer at work together and in what appears to be in social situations together.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 10:37:03 AM
This is the shooter's video.  It stops right before he pulls the trigger.

https://youtu.be/nVJqkNDlsD4 

I think he whispers "bitch" as he raises the gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:46:29 AM
Now they are saying he has shot himself. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
Now they are saying he has shot himself.

Not surprising, cowards gonna coward
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 26, 2015, 10:49:04 AM
Also apparently sent a 23 page manifesto to ABC. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on August 26, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
don't watch, I wish I hadn't seen it. I only watched because I thought it was a hoax

I feel sick.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on August 26, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
What a weird time we live in that a killer posts videos to Twitter while police are looking for him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on August 26, 2015, 10:53:23 AM
Yea, I have no interest in watching people die.  What a sick man
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Also apparently sent a 23 page manifesto to ABC.

The Virginia Tech shooter did the same thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
this probably heralds a new era of POV mass shooting videos. It might even attract whole new kind of dickheads into the mass shooting biz.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 26, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
Good lord.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
this probably heralds a new era of POV mass shooting videos. It might even attract whole new kind of dickheads into the mass shooting biz.

Unfortunately you are 100% right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 26, 2015, 11:04:01 AM
this probably heralds a new era of POV mass shooting videos. It might even attract whole new kind of dickheads into the mass shooting biz.

It fuckign better not
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
there's a troubled teen out there, with a gopro and a closet full of guns, who ripped these vids off twitter and has been watching them on repeat for the last 45 minutes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2015, 11:06:02 AM
Now saying that the shooter is not dead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 11:06:10 AM
He's not dead, yet. Critical condition
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 11:06:54 AM
He's not dead, yet. Critical condition

hopefully he shot himself in the dick
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on August 26, 2015, 11:07:10 AM
Some dbag kid thinks it is call of duty and will do this in a mall or something
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2015, 11:07:31 AM
Damn. This guy sucks so much at life, that he's failed to kill himself too?! Yeesh.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2015, 11:11:05 AM
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker/status/636568037609467904
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on August 26, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
:barf:

https://twitter.com/hunterw/status/636567629466087424
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2015, 11:23:40 AM
Media: "When in doubt..... #racism!"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2015, 11:35:31 AM
 :frown:

https://www.facebook.com/chrishurstwdbj/posts/965685470121385
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on August 26, 2015, 11:37:32 AM
i hope hes not dead so he has to live with this crap the rest of his life. i dont want anything to be easy on this bad person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
i hope hes not dead so he has to live with this crap the rest of his life. i dont want anything to be easy on this bad person.
He'll be a vegetable if he survives. I'd assume he tried to take himself out in the head. I don't know tho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on August 26, 2015, 11:44:52 AM
Damn. This guy sucks so much at life, that he's failed to kill himself too?! Yeesh.

there was a guy at the company I interned for over the summer that shot himself in the face and he lived
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 11:51:10 AM
Totally mumped up.  TV stations around the country will be showing video of the most terrifying moment of their lives... Sucks we live in such a media driven society.

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Rob Neyer put it much better than I could:

https://twitter.com/robneyer/status/636578768165834752
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2015, 11:53:55 AM
Damn. This guy sucks so much at life, that he's failed to kill himself too?! Yeesh.

there was a guy at the company I interned for over the summer that shot himself in the face and he lived
I've heard stories about the bullet bouncing around the head once it hits the skull and avoiding the brain. That's some crazy crap!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 12:01:31 PM
Any chance we can make the guy that did this be forced to watch his gopro video every moment of the every day for the rest of his life? Like just put it on repeat in front of his hospital bed? And put it on CC TV in his jail cell?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 12:03:29 PM
Any chance we can make the guy that did this be forced to watch his gopro video every moment of the every day for the rest of his life? Like just put it on repeat in front of his hospital bed? And put it on CC TV in his jail cell?

I'd rather it be shown in congress. He's lost it, he won't give a crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 26, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Totally mumped up.  TV stations around the country will be showing video of the most terrifying moment of their lives... Sucks we live in such a media driven society.

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Rob Neyer put it much better than I could:

https://twitter.com/robneyer/status/636578768165834752

How would these cameras be powered? Who would charge the batteries when they go dead?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 01:28:34 PM
Any chance we can make the guy that did this be forced to watch his gopro video every moment of the every day for the rest of his life? Like just put it on repeat in front of his hospital bed? And put it on CC TV in his jail cell?

I'd rather it be shown in congress. He's lost it, he won't give a crap.

And he's confirmed dead now. Congress it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 26, 2015, 03:05:13 PM
Watching the video supports this rough ridin' coward
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 03:15:44 PM
Watching the video supports this rough ridin' coward

Congress should watch it before every gun control vote
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on August 26, 2015, 04:21:38 PM
What pisses me off about the gun debate anymore is that only one side is even willing to have a discussion. The gun nuts are completely unwilling to admit that there is a serious rough ridin' problem in this country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
What pisses me off about the gun debate anymore is that only one side is even willing to have a discussion. The gun nuts are completely unwilling to admit that there is a serious rough ridin' problem in this country.

from a fb friend from my hometown:

Quote
If you are allowed legally to carry concealed or "constitutional carry"
DO IT. Recent events have shaken me to my core. I WILL NOT BE A VICTIM!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 04:37:38 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 04:39:07 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

too bad they already have guns. and guns buried in the woods that you cant find searching their house.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 04:40:56 PM
Well, yeah.  I mean, it won't fix the problem, but it would reduce it.

a whole lot of ppl simply wouldn't ever go to the doctor. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 04:42:17 PM
Well, yeah.  I mean, it won't fix the problem, but it would reduce it.

a whole lot of ppl simply wouldn't ever go to the doctor.

we need to release a cloud of self replicating nanobots that locate and consume firearms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 04:46:39 PM
people always bring up anti-drug laws when objecting to the idea of "anti-gun laws." is it naive of me to think gun laws would be more effective than drug laws? i mean anybody can grow/produce drugs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 04:56:42 PM
also mocat, i'm probably sheltered and whatnot, but I wouldn't know where to get drugs. I can get a gun at walmart
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWmeister on August 26, 2015, 05:00:04 PM
If I choose to do drugs, I'm doing it to effect myself. People aren't shoving heroin needles into mothers as they walk down the street. Guns effect everyone
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on August 26, 2015, 05:14:18 PM
This man was angry and bitter about the things that happened at work, and it centered around this reporter and camera man.  He was intent to so harm and he would have found a gun or something somewhere even if we hax strict gun laws.  Brain change is what is needed and getting rid of violent mowing 'em down dead video games is the place to start.  I like guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 05:15:10 PM
This man was angry and bitter about the things that happened at work, and it centered around this reporter and camera man.  He was intent to so harm and he would have found a gun or something somewhere even if we hax strict gun laws.  Brain change is what is needed and getting rid of violent mowing 'em down dead video games is the place to start.  I like guns.

textbook
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Canary on August 26, 2015, 05:17:19 PM
I read about this during my lunch.  Should I watch the videos or not?  Seems like mixed reviews about them. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:18:45 PM


I read about this during my lunch.  Should I watch the videos or not?  Seems like mixed reviews about them. 

I don't think it was much worse than the cincinnati cop, for your reference. At least the two I saw.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:19:09 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

that's a violation of their rights, and I'm being 100% serious
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 05:19:26 PM
If I choose to do drugs, I'm doing it to effect myself. People aren't shoving heroin needles into mothers as they walk down the street. Guns effect everyone

Suge Knight disagrees
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
I read about this during my lunch.  Should I watch the videos or not?  Seems like mixed reviews about them.

There's no blood or gore or anything but you are seeing two people get executed. The gopro video is unreal because he's standing less than 10 feet away from them pointing a gun at them and they don't notice until he pulls the trigger.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 26, 2015, 05:31:06 PM
He could have OJed them just as easily.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:33:08 PM
He could have OJed them just as easily.

just as easily
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Canary on August 26, 2015, 05:33:23 PM
I read about this during my lunch.  Should I watch the videos or not?  Seems like mixed reviews about them.

There's no blood or gore or anything but you are seeing two people get executed. The gopro video is unreal because he's standing less than 10 feet away from them pointing a gun at them and they don't notice until he pulls the trigger.
Thanks.  I may watch tomorrow when I have time. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 05:34:02 PM
He could have OJed them just as easily.

hilarious movie myth that is extremely pervasive. people dont instantly die when touched by a knife. they would at least have a fighting chance.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on August 26, 2015, 05:41:36 PM
He could have OJed them just as easily.

If he did not have a gun, he would of had a much more difficult time killing 2 people and severely injuring a third.  Don't pretend a knife is as efficient of a killer.  People don't hunt with knives for a reason.  If we can force them into using something other than a gun, they would not be able to harm people so efficiently. 

Guns don't necessarily need to be outlawed, but the ignorance in refusing to acknowledge their role in the amount of violence we see is baffling.  There is a direct correlation between mass killings and guns being the method of choice.  We should at least be able to have a serious conversation of what we can do to better ensure guns are secured, restricted from those who are dangerous, and as safe as possible.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 06:13:50 PM
People are lazy. Guns are easy. Like murder Netflix. Knives are rough ridin' blockbuster video.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 06:18:27 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

that's a violation of their rights, and I'm being 100% serious

expanding on this, are there any other rights the law-abiding mentally ill don't deserve? Freedom of religion? They can be subject to illegal search and seizure?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2015, 06:26:03 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 06:26:18 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

that's a violation of their rights, and I'm being 100% serious

expanding on this, are there any other rights the law-abiding mentally ill don't deserve? Freedom of religion? They can be subject to illegal search and seizure?

Ok, how about just those mental illnesses that have led to murder?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 06:29:23 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.

They did?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

that's a violation of their rights, and I'm being 100% serious

expanding on this, are there any other rights the law-abiding mentally ill don't deserve? Freedom of religion? They can be subject to illegal search and seizure?

Ok, how about just those mental illnesses that have led to murder?

I'm sure you could make an argument that every diagnosed mental illness has led to murder. But why should a person with something like diagnosed depression that has never hurt a soul not have access to firearms, as is their constitutional right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.

They did?
I did absolutely no research but I can think of 2 or 3 examples of this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.

They did?
I did absolutely no research but I can think of 2 or 3 examples of this

What examples
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 06:36:13 PM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

that's a violation of their rights, and I'm being 100% serious

expanding on this, are there any other rights the law-abiding mentally ill don't deserve? Freedom of religion? They can be subject to illegal search and seizure?

Ok, how about just those mental illnesses that have led to murder?

I'm sure you could make an argument that every diagnosed mental illness has led to murder. But why should a person with something like diagnosed depression that has never hurt a soul not have access to firearms, as is their constitutional right?

well the only answer then is to take all the guns(that isn't even an answer, though).   Also, I don't necessarily think the constitutions intent is for everyone to have a gun.  Not unless they are part of an organized militia.  Also, the need that the constitution was trying to address is moot at the point in which we find ourselves, in the lack of balance between personal ownership and military level weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 26, 2015, 06:37:18 PM
First thing I hear when I walk in to work "you know he was a mommy right? He was mad because he got outed."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 06:46:14 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.

They did?
I did absolutely no research but I can think of 2 or 3 examples of this

What examples
Australia, UK, Japan
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 06:50:05 PM
Guns are not banned in Australia
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 06:53:00 PM
Guns are not banned in Australia
By American standards, they pretty much are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 06:56:35 PM
The gun that was used today is not banned
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 06:58:08 PM
well the only answer then is to take all the guns(that isn't even an answer, though).

This isn't true. Start with a training/license program. Register every gun with the government. heavy taxes on ammunition, etc. there's tons of ways to make it more difficult to purchase a firearm without "taking all guns" or deciding large segments of the law-abiding population no longer are granted Constitutional rights.

Also, I don't necessarily think the constitutions intent is for everyone to have a gun.  Not unless they are part of an organized militia.  Also, the need that the constitution was trying to address is moot at the point in which we find ourselves, in the lack of balance between personal ownership and military level weapons.

It doesn't matter what the constitution's intent was - it's how it's currently interpreted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on August 26, 2015, 07:03:29 PM
Sticking with my theory that all we need to do is ban the production of lethal bullets.  I have no clue how feasible that is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2015, 07:24:17 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.

They did?
I did absolutely no research but I can think of 2 or 3 examples of this

What examples
Australia, UK, Japan

These countries confiscated all the existing guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 08:23:19 PM
How do other countries in the world prevent their citizens from gunning each other down?
They banned and confiscated guns.

They did?
I did absolutely no research but I can think of 2 or 3 examples of this

What examples
Australia, UK, Japan

These countries confiscated all the existing guns?
Buybacks and amnesty periods after which possession was criminal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
The gun that was used today is not banned
Limited to security professionals and target shooters with extremely stringent registration, application, and vetting process with at least 6 months of supervised training. That's a ban in USA terms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
I mean I'm all for that but it's not a ban
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2015, 08:35:33 PM
I like rustys tax on ammo idea
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 08:35:42 PM
Fine
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 26, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
I like rustys tax on ammo idea

Yes, only the wealthy will have access to ammo, and a huge black market opportunity for gangs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 08:44:39 PM
I like rustys tax on ammo idea

Yes, only the wealthy will have access to ammo, and a huge black market opportunity for gangs.
Knife prices will skyrocket I bet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2015, 08:45:02 PM
I like rustys tax on ammo idea

Yes, only the wealthy will have access to ammo, and a huge black market opportunity for gangs.

Just like cigarrettes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 26, 2015, 09:44:24 PM

If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

that's a violation of their rights, and I'm being 100% serious

expanding on this, are there any other rights the law-abiding mentally ill don't deserve? Freedom of religion? They can be subject to illegal search and seizure?

Stick em all in Sanitariums. That way we are consistent with our history.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2015, 11:49:52 PM
look at mocat being all obtuse  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on August 27, 2015, 12:07:19 AM
If you are on meds for, and/or have a diagnosis of any kind of mental illness, no gun for you, imo. Like, ever.

I know people on meds and they say the same thing. I agree with them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 27, 2015, 09:03:24 AM
i don't know if the economic incentive of paying a few extra bucks for a box of shells is going to have the same impact on the gentleman contemplating mass murder&suicide as it does on the pack a day smoker.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 27, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

mocat is going kick in the door and debunk this to hong kong
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 09:21:24 AM
i don't know if the economic incentive of paying a few extra bucks for a box of shells is going to have the same impact on the gentleman contemplating mass murder&suicide as it does on the pack a day smoker.
It wouldn't. I'll admit it isn't the best idea.

I just reject the notion that any attempt to reduce gun violence is an all-or-nothing proposition and thought it would be more effective to list 3 ideas than 2.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
DAMN
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-averages-one-mass-shooting-per-day-2015-8

obviously no gun problem here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
I bet suicide by knife rates skyrocketed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 09:24:43 AM
http://theweek.com/articles/573932/conservative-case-reforming-americas-sick-gun-culture
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
Last one for now, man Bernie Sanders really using the moment to take a strong stance  :jerk:
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/27/the_american_religion_of_guns_money_has_blinded_us_to_an_epidemic_of_death/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 27, 2015, 09:41:10 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

They only had a 20% compliance rate. Probably wouldn't even get that much here, and do you think that small percentage is going to be effective at significantly reducing mass shootings? IDK.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 09:43:55 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

They only had a 20% compliance rate. Probably wouldn't even get that much here, and do you think that small percentage is going to be effective at significantly reducing mass shootings? IDK.

Did you see my next link about the amount of mass shootings we have? I'm okay with reducing that number by any quantity by any means.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
I want to expand on my swipe at Bernie Sanders. I actually don't blame conservatives for our gun issue, I blame liberals. If liberals were truly interested in solving this problem the first thing they should do is to aggressively change the tone of the narrative. The conservatives have done such a great job framing this as a second amendment issue that no one at all even questions it at all. I can't remember any liberal coming out and flatly stating that gun control isn't a second amendment issue, it isn't.

Quote
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Anything short of banning all guns is 100% constitutional so why don't liberals start the process of changing the conversation. Every single time the second amendment is mentioned when it comes to gun control laws that sentence should be typed/read as I'm sure 90% of Americans have no idea what the second amendment even says.

The reason why liberals aren't more aggressive with this is they are afraid of not being electable and the NRA also has influence within the democratic party. Liberal politicians have the ability to change this country but unfortunately running for a national office, as a liberal, all too often comes with a surgery to remove courage and conviction.

/rant
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2015, 10:05:53 AM
Agree 100 percent, which is why conservative fear of "gungrabbing democrats" is so interesting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:16:20 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

mocat is going kick in the door and debunk this to hong kong

i stand by my earlier statements. i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.

do you agree that to say "guns are banned in Australia" is not accurate?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 27, 2015, 10:17:57 AM
Last one for now, man Bernie Sanders really using the moment to take a strong stance  :jerk:
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/27/the_american_religion_of_guns_money_has_blinded_us_to_an_epidemic_of_death/

Quote from: Hillary Clinton
if we could just put some time out between the person who’s upset because he got fired

Hadn't this guy that killed the reporter and camera man yesterday been fired a while ago? He had time to cool off and it didn't help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 10:22:31 AM
Yeah, two and a half years. In fairness though Hill-Rod has been as vocal about guns as any liberal that I can think of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2015, 10:27:54 AM
AM radio is saying the constant use of the "race card" is the case of the shooting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
he was fired 2.5 years ago??  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 27, 2015, 10:32:16 AM
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

mocat is going kick in the door and debunk this to hong kong

i stand by my earlier statements. i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.

do you agree that to say "guns are banned in Australia" is not accurate?

i didnt do any research and then you made me do research, so you win.  i guess the statement is not technically accurate. i would agree to say that it is not technically accurate with technically in italics.

from the relative perspective of a 3% molon labe bubba, they are banned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 27, 2015, 10:33:02 AM
i cant even have a ninja sword in japan, so i have no clue how i am going to protect my family from the yakuza
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2015, 10:36:30 AM
Kung fu you idiot  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 27, 2015, 10:41:14 AM
i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.

auto and semiauto shotguns.  not autos, semiautos and shotguns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:52:18 AM
i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.

auto and semiauto shotguns.  not autos, semiautos and shotguns.

ah. thanks sys. hey puni how about we throw another shotgun on the barbie? (because we totally could if we were australian)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 27, 2015, 10:53:36 AM
Apparently an officer was shot at off of K-7 and Prairie Star Parkway in Lenexa.  K-7 blocked off.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/29893076/lenexa-police-seek-gunman-after-officers-patrol-car-hit-by-bullets (http://www.kctv5.com/story/29893076/lenexa-police-seek-gunman-after-officers-patrol-car-hit-by-bullets)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 27, 2015, 10:55:10 AM
i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.

auto and semiauto shotguns.  not autos, semiautos and shotguns.

ah. thanks sys. hey puni how about we throw another shotgun on the barbie? (because we totally could if we were australian)

no problem, we just need to register for it and provide a genuine reason to the government to possess it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
I want to expand on my swipe at Bernie Sanders. I actually don't blame conservatives for our gun issue, I blame liberals. If liberals were truly interested in solving this problem the first thing they should do is to aggressively change the tone of the narrative. The conservatives have done such a great job framing this as a second amendment issue that no one at all even questions it at all. I can't remember any liberal coming out and flatly stating that gun control isn't a second amendment issue, it isn't.

Quote
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Anything short of banning all guns is 100% constitutional so why don't liberals start the process of changing the conversation. Every single time the second amendment is mentioned when it comes to gun control laws that sentence should be typed/read as I'm sure 90% of Americans have no idea what the second amendment even says.

The reason why liberals aren't more aggressive with this is they are afraid of not being electable and the NRA also has influence within the democratic party. Liberal politicians have the ability to change this country but unfortunately running for a national office, as a liberal, all too often comes with a surgery to remove courage and conviction.

/rant

well, I mean look what happened when they tried to pass a bill that only banned a small number of guns in the wake of a shooting that killed 20 first graders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2015, 10:57:19 AM
Just passed that on K10.   Exits to k7 north closed.  Bunch of cops.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 27, 2015, 11:18:47 AM
puni, you shouldn't have relented
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 11:21:08 AM
i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.

auto and semiauto shotguns.  not autos, semiautos and shotguns.

ah. thanks sys. hey puni how about we throw another shotgun on the barbie? (because we totally could if we were australian)

no problem, we just need to register for it and provide a genuine reason to the government to possess it.

we also have to wait at least 6 months. let's set a date for early next March! (perfect outdoor barbie season in 'stralia)  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 27, 2015, 11:27:39 AM
puni, you shouldn't have relented

i owe mocat because he gave me his jam of 14 for me to use as my jam of 15 pretty much for free
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 12:01:58 PM
let's get back on topic: active shooter at mississippi state!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 12:02:48 PM
update: shooter apprehended w/o injuries  :Woot:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Skipper44 on August 27, 2015, 12:17:59 PM
update: shooter apprehended w/o injuries  :Woot:
Link?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:12:40 PM
If guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are different
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on August 27, 2015, 01:14:52 PM
If guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are different

drugs are cheap. guns would not be.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:14:57 PM
Although it would help a ton with keeping a disturbed teen who would never have thought to do a mass killing until he saw the gun in his parents closet from maybe doing anything
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:16:26 PM
If guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are different

drugs are cheap. guns would not be.

Thats true
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2015, 01:16:53 PM
It's like none of you watched lock stock and two smoking barrels. It was like pretty tough for the criminals to get bloody shoota's
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:17:58 PM
It's like none of you watched lock stock and two smoking barrels. It was like pretty tough for the criminals to get bloody shoota's

but it was easier in snatch
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:22:00 PM
Although the gun didn't work, so
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 27, 2015, 04:12:01 PM
Cop off K-7 wasn't shot at today.  Stress fracture caused the car window to blow. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on August 27, 2015, 04:13:59 PM
'They'll find a way to get them anyway' :flush:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2015, 04:15:07 PM
Well, that speaks to the paranoia of a guy in the middle of the least developed part of lenexa when he immediately thinks of gun shots when his window breaks. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 04:17:08 PM
If guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are different

drugs are cheap. guns would not be.

Thats true

expanding on the cost issue, it's really difficult to set up a gun factory in your garage compared to a growhouse or meth operation. It's also far easier to smuggle a pound of drugs than a pound of guns, for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
I want to expand on my swipe at Bernie Sanders. I actually don't blame conservatives for our gun issue, I blame liberals. If liberals were truly interested in solving this problem the first thing they should do is to aggressively change the tone of the narrative. The conservatives have done such a great job framing this as a second amendment issue that no one at all even questions it at all. I can't remember any liberal coming out and flatly stating that gun control isn't a second amendment issue, it isn't.

Quote
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Anything short of banning all guns is 100% constitutional so why don't liberals start the process of changing the conversation. Every single time the second amendment is mentioned when it comes to gun control laws that sentence should be typed/read as I'm sure 90% of Americans have no idea what the second amendment even says.

The reason why liberals aren't more aggressive with this is they are afraid of not being electable and the NRA also has influence within the democratic party. Liberal politicians have the ability to change this country but unfortunately running for a national office, as a liberal, all too often comes with a surgery to remove courage and conviction.

/rant

well, I mean look what happened when they tried to pass a bill that only banned a small number of guns in the wake of a shooting that killed 20 first graders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013

Conviction in things that matter aren't easy, Congress draws a salary. There were 15 coward democrats were more beholden to Special interests than their constituents. All 15 should have been recalled.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 04:27:12 PM
If guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are different

I posted two different links that had hard data refuting this. Nearly all of these mass murders are committed by people who can or do carry legally. This talking point only has legs because people are afraid of gang members that they never see killing off all of white America, as if we're in some race/class war. The bottom line is that white middle and upper class citizens are more comfortable arming unstable people who have no business carrying guns than the thug boogeyman that 95% of people in this country never see.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 04:32:55 PM
it's really difficult to set up a gun factory in your garage compared to a growhouse or meth operation. It's also far easier to smuggle a pound of drugs than a pound of guns, for a variety of reasons.

this is what i was asking about earlier
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 04:35:08 PM
it's really difficult to set up a gun factory in your garage compared to a growhouse or meth operation. It's also far easier to smuggle a pound of drugs than a pound of guns, for a variety of reasons.

this is what i was asking about earlier

I've been ignoring your posts since you started arguing with puni. I'll go look for the post in question.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 27, 2015, 04:35:46 PM
uff da!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
I remember seeing a vice or something similar about kids that handmake a few hundred handguns a week in their third world hut for some third world warlord
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2015, 04:37:11 PM
uff da!

at least he knew it was not just one of us arguing with himself!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 04:38:03 PM
it's really difficult to set up a gun factory in your garage compared to a growhouse or meth operation. It's also far easier to smuggle a pound of drugs than a pound of guns, for a variety of reasons.

this is what i was asking about earlier

I've been ignoring your posts since you started arguing with puni. I'll go look for the post in question.

I found the post, I don't think you're naive
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 27, 2015, 06:16:52 PM
I think it is just our new reality, I don't see a near term change in gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Well, yeah. We've proven there's no atrocity committed with a gun that will make politicians act in our best interests.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 28, 2015, 12:40:19 PM
So there's obviously a spectrum from minor weapons to extreme weapons. Even the most crazy ass right-wingers would say no one should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Great, we've established that. 98% of people would probably agree no citizen should be allowed to own a rocket launcher. Why would anyone ever need a gatling gun, or machine gun of any sort? Shooting ranges? Great. If these assholes really won't budge on this, why not set up something where they have to be kept at a shooting range? You have to have two keys, just like a safety deposit box, so an employee wouldn't be able to take it out when they are there by themself. I'm not sure why we couldn't do this for all automatic guns. Is there any reason an average civilian would ever need an automatic gun?

I'm not sure how many times an automatic weapon has been used in these instances. But we shouldn't have to wait for one to happen. These things are only going to get worse going forward.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
I don't think automatic guns are legal already bud
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 28, 2015, 12:49:15 PM
I don't think automatic guns are legal already bud

semi-automatic are legal, fully automatic are not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 28, 2015, 12:51:22 PM
As of 2012 they were. When did that change?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2015, 12:52:10 PM
Apparently Stevesie60 is one of those nuts that thinks we need to relax gun laws  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Automatic weapons have been illegal for like decades
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 28, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
A 2012 article from the LA Times:

"WASHINGTON -- In an answer to a question during Tuesday night’s presidential debate about assault weapons, Mitt Romney said, “we of course don't want to have automatic weapons, and that's already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons.”

Fully automatic weapons -- guns that fire continuously when the trigger is held down -- are legal to possess in the United States but are tightly regulated.

The National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Hughes Amendment in 1986 have all placed limits on how automatic guns can be bought and sold, but did not make it illegal to possess them entirely."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 28, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Automatic weapons have been illegal for like decades

not according to mocat, you just need to register and buy an expensive permit and tax stamp
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2015, 12:58:16 PM
that little girl killed the crap out of that gun range guy with an automatic weapon iirc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2015, 12:58:28 PM
Automatic weapons have been illegal for like decades

not according to mocat, you just need to register and buy an expensive permit and tax stamp

 "like"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 28, 2015, 12:59:24 PM
that little girl killed the crap out of that gun range guy with an automatic weapon iirc

Yeah, that's why I assumed they were legal. Well, that and the article I posted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 28, 2015, 01:01:04 PM
Automatic weapons have been illegal for like decades

not according to mocat, you just need to register and buy an expensive permit and tax stamp

 "like"

pos rep
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2015, 01:01:47 PM
Automatic weapons have been illegal for like decades

not according to mocat, you just need to register and buy an expensive permit and tax stamp

 "like"

pos rep

Taparep
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 28, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
I don't have time to read the whole thing but...

Quote from: The Firearm Owners’ Protection Act of 1986
Machine guns that were lawfully possessed prior to May 19, 1986 may continue to be possessed and transferred provided they are registered in accordance with requirements of the National Firearms Act of 1934 (“NFA”).

http://smartgunlaws.org/federal-law-on-machine-guns-automatic-firearms/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2015, 01:05:01 PM
Handguns should be illegal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 28, 2015, 01:35:23 PM
how can you dudes pat yourselves on the back about the automatic weapons post, when you have just been found to be completely wrong?  :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on August 28, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
how can you dudes pat yourselves on the back about the automatic weapons post, when you have just been found to be completely wrong?  :confused:

technically wrong
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 28, 2015, 01:41:05 PM
he is enraged
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on August 28, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
Automatic weapons have been illegal for like decades

not according to mocat, you just need to register and buy an expensive permit and tax stamp

This is correct.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 28, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
Facts, who needs them? :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Benja on August 28, 2015, 06:13:11 PM
How can we stage a revolution of the people without giant guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 28, 2015, 06:15:43 PM
The tax on bullets could go to funding a national program to actually deal properly with the large amount of mental illness we have at least.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 28, 2015, 10:31:07 PM
The tax on bullets could go to funding a national program to actually deal properly with the large amount of mental illness we have at least.

If you really wanted to make some cash for mental illness treatment, tax abortions. It makes as much sense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 28, 2015, 10:39:59 PM
Welcome back John Doug
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 28, 2015, 10:44:19 PM
this blog has been lacking moderate #hottakes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2015, 08:03:20 AM
The tax on bullets could go to funding a national program to actually deal properly with the large amount of mental illness we have at least.

If you really wanted to make some cash for mental illness treatment, tax abortions. It makes as much sense.

One tax at a time, lets not get greedy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on August 29, 2015, 11:16:05 PM
Let's just issue everyone a gun once they turn 16. That way everyone is armed and all shootings are justified self defense. Some people will die, some people will live. Such is the nature of existence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10911304_990455884331726_6156840314813064353_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 01, 2015, 07:20:18 PM
That is pretty great.  I mean, if those were 180deg diff, he would be a war monger who needs to get the fed out of states rights. 

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 07:47:27 PM
Whoops wrong thread!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Unruly on September 04, 2015, 08:36:47 AM
Oh boy.

Anonymous chiming in.

WARNING!!!! if you don't want to see the shooting videos then don't clicky

https://www.facebook.com/jauan.walters/videos/10200587761412213/

 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on September 04, 2015, 08:55:48 AM
Oh boy.

Anonymous chiming in.

WARNING!!!! if you don't want to see the shooting videos then don't clicky

https://www.facebook.com/jauan.walters/videos/10200587761412213/

Oh wow.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on September 04, 2015, 10:46:29 AM
That's the dumbest rough ridin' thing I have ever seen in my life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on September 06, 2015, 09:39:38 AM
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/410979-the-makers-of-a-new-ar-15-want-to-keep-it-away-from-terrorists-so-they-etched-it-with-a-bible-verse/

This is perfect pit material
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on September 06, 2015, 09:44:24 AM
Great rebuttal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on September 08, 2015, 12:45:52 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/09/08/christian-assault-rifles-now-a.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 08, 2015, 12:48:15 PM
If you are going to arm up for a new middle east crusade, you gotta do it right.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2015, 01:01:08 PM
savvy move
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dub on September 14, 2015, 11:24:01 AM
Quote
Active shooter at Delta State campus, 1 victim shot


It's sad this thread is as long as it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on September 14, 2015, 12:49:01 PM

Quote
Active shooter at Delta State campus, 1 victim shot


It's sad this thread is as long as it is.

To be fair, a majority of this thread has nothing to do with schools. Still sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on October 01, 2015, 01:38:11 PM
http://gawker.com/there-are-reports-of-an-active-shooter-umpqua-community-1734054646 (http://gawker.com/there-are-reports-of-an-active-shooter-umpqua-community-1734054646)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on October 01, 2015, 01:40:46 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 01, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
CNN saying 10 dead, 20 wounded so far.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 01, 2015, 01:43:17 PM
this is bad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 01, 2015, 01:50:11 PM
http://gawker.com/there-are-reports-of-an-active-shooter-umpqua-community-1734054646 (http://gawker.com/there-are-reports-of-an-active-shooter-umpqua-community-1734054646)

a tragedy for those involved, no doubt.  but it helped me learn that pete has resigned his position in the indiana house.  an ill wind, etc.

Quote
State Rep. Jud McMillin, the number three Republican in the Indiana House, resigned Tuesday after reports emerged that a sex video had been texted from his phone to an unknown number of his contacts. Macmillan, naturally, blamed a Canadian thief for the incident

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2015, 02:05:23 PM
*yawn* price of freedom, etc.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/611943312401002496
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chuckjames on October 01, 2015, 02:08:01 PM
DO NOT POLITICIZE AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY, #Benghazi is the only tragedy that is allowed to be used for political reasons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 01, 2015, 02:19:14 PM
man if you can't just chill out and take Forestry at some community college in Wash without getting militia'd. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2015, 02:29:27 PM
http://gawker.com/there-are-reports-of-an-active-shooter-umpqua-community-1734054646 (http://gawker.com/there-are-reports-of-an-active-shooter-umpqua-community-1734054646)

a tragedy for those involved, no doubt.  but it helped me learn that pete has resigned his position in the indiana house.  an ill wind, etc.

Quote
State Rep. Jud McMillin, the number three Republican in the Indiana House, resigned Tuesday after reports emerged that a sex video had been texted from his phone to an unknown number of his contacts. Macmillan, naturally, blamed a Canadian thief for the incident

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 03:02:37 PM
is America the best country in the world where guns have more rights than people? you bet it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on October 01, 2015, 03:05:22 PM
man if you can't just chill out and take Forestry at some community college in Wash without getting militia'd.
7 or more dead.  Sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 01, 2015, 03:20:05 PM
*yawn* price of freedom, etc.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/611943312401002496

What does abortion have to do with gun control? Roe v Wade was way before Sandy Hook.  :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 0.42 on October 01, 2015, 03:23:46 PM
i'm starting to doubt your credentials as moderate, juan dougie
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 01, 2015, 03:35:47 PM
*yawn* price of freedom, etc.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/611943312401002496

What does abortion have to do with gun control? Roe v Wade was way before Sandy Hook.  :confused:

Congrats JD
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 09:42:22 PM
Apparently bragged and got encouraged to do it on 4chan anonymously.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 01, 2015, 10:28:32 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153627744354293&id=539064292&set=gm.10153619359517052&source=48 (https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153627744354293&id=539064292&set=gm.10153619359517052&source=48)

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 01, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
pro-choicers: would you accept a ban on all abortions if it meant all guns were banned too? not just banned, but rounded up and melted down
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Big Sam on October 01, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
I always get confused about the connection to gun control and how these things can be averted.  I guess if we outlaw something people who want that thing will no longer seek it, sort of like booze, pot, drugs, foie gras and so forth.  Somebody motivated to kill dozens I am positive would be deterred by such rules (and let's be honest, Oregon so few restrictive gun laws compared to other states).

Indeed, those wanting notice you would think would prefer showing up in places where the odds of opposition are lower.

I would have the think the best prevention would have to look at what motivates such individuals and why do they act?  Is it a growing disconnection from others and society?  Can it be countered?

The other issue I wonder about is why so few outlets are reporting on the Christian targeting angle, especially the NYT and other left leaning orgs (I will give NBC credit for noting the reports of him asking about religion, though they avoided noting the religion in what I've read from them).  I wonder if they would have done the same if he was reported to have asked potential victims if they were Muslim.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2015, 10:38:48 PM
pro-choicers: would you accept a ban on all abortions if it meant all guns were banned too? not just banned, but rounded up and melted down

i don't care about guns that much really
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 01, 2015, 10:41:32 PM
i'm pro guns, so no.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 01, 2015, 10:42:12 PM
i wanna know what CNS would say
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 01, 2015, 10:42:33 PM

i don't care about mental health that much really

agreed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 10:47:30 PM
When does the life of a gun truly begin? Is it when it's loaded? When the slide is mounted to the frame? Or does it begin at the moment the metal is smelted?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
an unloaded gun is about as useless as a vacant womb
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 01, 2015, 10:49:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/47CUuUl.jpg)

one of his 2 friends on myspace
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2015, 10:51:15 PM
well myspace friends... that's pretty serious
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
What if 2 guns wanted to get married?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 10:57:30 PM
What if a gun wanted to be a boy scout troop leader?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2015, 11:02:47 PM
Is this a mental health test?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 01, 2015, 11:05:21 PM
asians smdh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 01, 2015, 11:05:46 PM
well myspace friends... that's pretty serious

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 01:22:48 AM
Seems about as good a reason as any to decide who to kill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 02, 2015, 01:34:49 AM
 :clap:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 02, 2015, 06:44:18 AM
i wanna know what CNS would say
I own guns and am pro choice. 

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on October 02, 2015, 07:19:25 AM
Stunted, just say what you want to say already.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 02, 2015, 09:08:11 AM
sounds like all the libs ITT are fine with guns and no gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 09:31:24 AM
i just think it should be more difficult to get a gun than it currently is
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 09:32:21 AM
i just think it should be more difficult to get a gun than it currently is

Yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the land, huge ProgLib enclave/(D) political stronghold for decades.   Murder rate through the roof.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 02, 2015, 09:36:28 AM
i just think it should be more difficult to get a gun than it currently is

i'm fine with that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the land, huge ProgLib enclave/(D) political stronghold for decades.   Murder rate through the roof.

You drive 10 minutes outside of chicago and it's very easy to get a gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Asteriskhead on October 02, 2015, 09:55:13 AM
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the land, huge ProgLib enclave/(D) political stronghold for decades.   Murder rate through the roof.

If you're going to use this deflection, offer an alternative.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2015, 09:56:55 AM
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the land, huge ProgLib enclave/(D) political stronghold for decades.   Murder rate through the roof.

You drive 10 minutes outside of chicago and it's very easy to get a gun

Well then it's automatic then, tougher gun laws in suburban Chicago are going to cause the murder rate in inner-city Chicago  to go down.  :thumbsup

Oh, and I'm for tougher gun laws, but it's not going to really change anything in our culture. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2015, 09:59:58 AM
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the land, huge ProgLib enclave/(D) political stronghold for decades.   Murder rate through the roof.

You drive 10 minutes outside of chicago and it's very easy to get a gun

Well then it's automatic then, tougher gun laws in suburban Chicago are going to cause the murder rate in inner-city Chicago  to go down.  :thumbsup

Oh, and I'm for tougher gun laws, but it's not going to really change anything in our culture.
The right laws could.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
Oh, okay.  :thumbsup

Note to self:  The "right" gun laws will make certain people value life more.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2015, 10:05:08 AM


Oh, okay.  :thumbsup

Note to self:  The "right" gun laws will make certain people value life more.

No they would make it harder for them to get a gun which I guess may not change our culture (if that's something you want to argue) but it would reduce the number of murders
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2015, 10:06:01 AM
Are number of murders part of a culture? Seems like they would be.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 10:06:43 AM
Dax, why are you for tougher gun laws if they won't do anything?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2015, 10:07:53 AM


Oh, okay.  :thumbsup

Note to self:  The "right" gun laws will make certain people value life more.

No they would make it harder for them to get a gun which I guess may not change our culture (if that's something you want to argue) but it would reduce the number of murders

Okay, that's some feel good speculation, so we'll roll with that.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2015, 10:11:30 AM
Dax, why are you for tougher gun laws if they won't do anything?

I'm for laws that ban the sale of certain types of guns to only highly licensed and regulated individuals, I'm also for laws that ban the sale of high capacity magazines.   

But draconian gun laws will render the U.S. a country that will be unlivable for law abiding people IMO.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 10:15:31 AM
What's draconian in your book? Overall ban?

I think most of us realize a ban on guns in the US us too far gone.  You won't even find any semblance of a majority opinion about that among ProgLibs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
i have a friend IRL who got up super early on black friday one year and got an AR-15 at Cabela's (for example):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 10:23:36 AM
like, the fact that that happened is terrifying to me
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 10:24:31 AM
i mean, i have shot that gun and it was really exhilarating but still. why is that legal?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
What's draconian in your book? Overall ban?

I think most of us realize a ban on guns in the US us too far gone.  You won't even find any semblance of a majority opinion about that among ProgLibs.

Well, unfortunately you don't control the robo-pen.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 10:26:43 AM
Dax, my translator isn't done yet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2015, 10:28:57 AM


Dax, why are you for tougher gun laws if they won't do anything?

I'm for laws that ban the sale of certain types of guns to only highly licensed and regulated individuals, I'm also for laws that ban the sale of high capacity magazines.   

I think those could help reduce the number of murders. I also think all firearms should only be sold to highly licensed individuals - that and more effective registration and punishment for legally purchased guns that end up in the wrong hands are really the only new regulations I would want.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 10:30:07 AM
Also stopping the war on drugs
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on October 02, 2015, 11:57:48 AM
If they took all the effort they put towards busting hippies selling weed and focused it on stopping the distribution of assault rifles (and stopping crazy people from getting ANY gun)  we might actually prevent some of these shootings
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
i mean, i have shot that gun and it was really exhilarating but still. why is that legal?

What about that gun makes you fear it more than a hand gun or other caliber rifle?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
i mean, i have shot that gun and it was really exhilarating but still. why is that legal?

What about that gun makes you fear it more than a hand gun or other caliber rifle?

it holds like 30 giant bullets (rounds?) and you can shoot them all as fast as your finger can pull the trigger because it is semi automatic. also i didn't say this particular gun scares me more than any other gun, i said (for example).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2015, 12:16:57 PM
i mean, i have shot that gun and it was really exhilarating but still. why is that legal?

What about that gun makes you fear it more than a hand gun or other caliber rifle?

it holds like 30 giant bullets (rounds?) and you can shoot them all as fast as your finger can pull the trigger because it is semi automatic. also i didn't say this particular gun scares me more than any other gun, i said (for example).

Its a really small round relative to most rifle bullets and is not unique in its ability hold 30 rounds or semi auto.   Hand guns to me are the area to focus on.  I'd like to see those banned. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 02, 2015, 12:22:18 PM
its not like a gun ban will result in more deaths. if deaths drop by > 10% i'm all for it. but <, don't change
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on October 02, 2015, 12:25:13 PM
i mean, i have shot that gun and it was really exhilarating but still. why is that legal?

how does this gun hit your feelz?
(http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5801.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 12:26:14 PM
its not like a gun ban will result in more deaths. if deaths drop by > 10% i'm all for it. but <, don't change

what is a "gun ban"? also how much did gun deaths drop in australia once they made guns much much harder to obtain?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 12:30:17 PM
regulations sap the fun from life.  i would not support additional regulation of firearms.  i would support reducing or eliminating existing regulation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 02, 2015, 01:00:15 PM
regulations sap the fun from life.  i would not support additional regulation of firearms.  i would support reducing or eliminating existing regulation.
Sys, you should move back to KS.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 02, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Oregon law enforcement is saying the shooter had 13 total weapons, all legally bought.  Why does anyone needs 13 weapons? 


For the pro gun people out there, what is the need for multiple guns?  Just fun to collect them?  Legitimate concern you will need to use them during the Russian invasion?  Hunters just like guns? 

Wanna be like this guy?

(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Jim-Carrey-in-The-Mask-e1373287492766.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 02, 2015, 01:09:11 PM
I own guns, but am not a fight for your right type of guy.  However, the reason for multiple guns, at least from a hunting perspective, is that different hunting takes different tools.

For example, you aren't blasting a pheasant out of the sky with a deer rifle.  That would lead to zero pheasants and a whole lot of stray bullets traveling a few miles and coming down god knows where.

If you are deer hunting, you don't want to be using a light shotgun.  There would be very few deer taken and a bunch walking around wounded as hell looking like a Bambi cross over of The Walking Dead.

If you hunt deer, elk, etc, some terrain requires a much longer shot, so you may need a different rifle that can carry a bullet accurately over a longer distance than what you may need in a heavily wooded area. 

There are reasons to have a few guns if you are a hunter.  There really isn't if you aren't. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2015, 01:10:14 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/02/fecdc9938f1240213249cdeb1e6bcf62.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
Oregon law enforcement is saying the shooter had 13 total weapons, all legally bought.  Why does anyone needs 13 weapons? 

when you get down to only allowing people to have what they need, there isn't much left for those people to live for anyways.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 01:36:20 PM
Sys, you should move back to KS.

no thanks, kansans are mostly nazis.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 02, 2015, 01:40:55 PM
I own guns, but am not a fight for your right type of guy.  However, the reason for multiple guns, at least from a hunting perspective, is that different hunting takes different tools.

For example, you aren't blasting a pheasant out of the sky with a deer rifle.  That would lead to zero pheasants and a whole lot of stray bullets traveling a few miles and coming down god knows where.

If you are deer hunting, you don't want to be using a light shotgun.  There would be very few deer taken and a bunch walking around wounded as hell looking like a Bambi cross over of The Walking Dead.

If you hunt deer, elk, etc, some terrain requires a much longer shot, so you may need a different rifle that can carry a bullet accurately over a longer distance than what you may need in a heavily wooded area. 

There are reasons to have a few guns if you are a hunter.  There really isn't if you aren't.

This response makes 100% sense.  I have no reason to ever argue this.  If I was an avid hunter, I'm sure I would also have multiple rifles and shotguns as well. 

The thing that I don't understand is people who find it necessary to have multiple handguns and semi-auto rifles.  I'm not saying it is wrong, I just don't understand it outside of collecting them for a hobby (and it sounds like plenty of people have this hobby).  It does bother me a bit that any random person can go out and buy a crap ton of handguns and it is not a big deal.  Cause again, you can really only shoot one at a time, and for sane people the other end of the gun is a paper target.     
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 01:43:27 PM
Someone busted out their AK in Topeka last night.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 05:55:20 PM

Someone busted out their AK in Topeka last night.
was it fun?


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 05:59:11 PM

Someone busted out their AK in Topeka last night.
was it fun?


Gonna win 'em all!
I think 35 rounds were found. 2 dead? Maybe just 1? I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 06:16:27 PM
Oh snap. People died?


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 07:00:35 PM
A few blocks down from the WBC
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 08:06:00 PM
Nm. No one died. Both are recovering. Both were WU ballers and still students.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Stat_Cat on October 02, 2015, 11:18:39 PM
I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if it's been posted, but why can't we do this?

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/australia.php

Hunters keep guns, people that shouldn't have guns, don't have guns.  Owning a gun for self defense, well that doesn't work, because it's not an option! 

If nothing else look at the suicide rate by guns!  Down to 12%!  Down 65% overall!  This is just one win they have going, not to mention the win of 0 mass shootings since putting this into action!  The stimulated economy from a government buy back, seems like something that needs to get some solid backing from some people, maybe get us in the right direction...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 03, 2015, 07:06:03 PM
I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if it's been posted, but why can't we do this?

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/australia.php

Hunters keep guns, people that shouldn't have guns, don't have guns.  Owning a gun for self defense, well that doesn't work, because it's not an option! 

If nothing else look at the suicide rate by guns!  Down to 12%!  Down 65% overall!  This is just one win they have going, not to mention the win of 0 mass shootings since putting this into action!  The stimulated economy from a government buy back, seems like something that needs to get some solid backing from some people, maybe get us in the right direction...

But now what do Aussie gun nuts sit around and jerk off to? :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 03, 2015, 08:11:10 PM
Hi fellas, Tubesock here to let you know that I really don't care about Gun politics, if you want them... Great have one, if a law is passed outlawing them... Great, I don't care.  I'm a conservative that cares mostly about economic policies.  So you libs out there that think I will stand in your way about most everything else have got another thing comin' 'cuz I don't give a eff about all that shiney crap!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2015, 07:34:28 AM
So the latest rumors are:  CNN purposely making the guy look white.   Also, Russian intelligence had the guy on a watch list that DHS and Interpol refused to accept for political reasons. 

Not to mention the targeting Christians thing.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2015, 07:39:55 AM
Oh and the LA Times has apparently Clayton Bigsbyfied Mercer.   Lol, the proglib media. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2015, 08:03:02 AM
i read an article that said a witness(es) mentioned he passed a box full of notes to someone during or right before he rampaged.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 04, 2015, 09:46:24 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/4-pro-gun-arguments-were-sick-of-hearing-20151001
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
So the latest rumors are:  CNN purposely making the guy look white.   Also, Russian intelligence had the guy on a watch list that DHS and Interpol refused to accept for political reasons. 

Not to mention the targeting Christians thing.

(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/mercer-cnn.jpg)

lol. photoshopped his features too
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2015, 03:56:40 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/4-pro-gun-arguments-were-sick-of-hearing-20151001

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus

also, CHM sounds like he had a bit of elliot rodger going on. too bad for him he got himself killed. check out the aurora shooter's lovemail

(https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/homesgroupies.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2015, 04:42:30 PM
So the latest rumors are:  CNN purposely making the guy look white.   Also, Russian intelligence had the guy on a watch list that DHS and Interpol refused to accept for political reasons. 

Not to mention the targeting Christians thing.

His dad is very white.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2015, 04:57:41 PM


So the latest rumors are:  CNN purposely making the guy look white.   Also, Russian intelligence had the guy on a watch list that DHS and Interpol refused to accept for political reasons. 

Not to mention the targeting Christians thing.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/mercer-cnn.jpg

lol. photoshopped his features too

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 04, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
They should do a better job of regulating crazy people, and stop trying to punish non crazy people for crap crazy people do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 04, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
To regulate crazy ppl, the govt will have to take more rights from more ppl than they would if they regulated guns. 


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 04, 2015, 09:51:33 PM
non-crazies getting 'borts and shooting heroin?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2015, 11:11:44 PM
Crazies have a constitutional right to own firearms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2015, 06:36:55 AM
Crazies have a constitutional right to own firearms.

Who is going to stand up for them when it gets infringed upon? Answer....no one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 06:47:51 AM
Crazies do a pretty rough ridin' good job of punishing non crazy people for the crap crazy people do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2015, 07:17:04 AM
Crazies have a constitutional right to own firearms.

Who is going to stand up for them when it gets infringed upon? Answer....no one.
All it takes is one to hire an attorney and any sort of legislation restricting their access is dead in the water. As it should be.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 05, 2015, 07:18:16 AM
The CNN thing never happened.  dax and stunted were all over it tho.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 05, 2015, 08:11:56 AM
The CNN thing never happened.  dax and stunted were all over it tho.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral)

if you needed someone to do a report on it being fake to know that it was fake then I would put you on the "sd decides who is not allowed to have a gun list"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on October 05, 2015, 08:33:59 AM
A group of kids at a California school squealed on 4 kids planning a school shooting.  Doubt they get an Obama invite since they didn't make clock bombs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 08:53:14 AM
Obutthole was probably the ringleader
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 10:02:42 AM
It's really amazing how stupid dax can be sometimes

what if dax is "Jim Hoft"?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
I've seen reports that this guy was carrying as many as 6 guns during the shooting. Unless you're in the Matrix, that seems like more of a hindrance to mass murder than anything. How many did he actually use?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 05, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
I've seen reports that this guy was carrying as many as 6 guns during the shooting. Unless you're in the Matrix, that seems like more of a hindrance to mass murder than anything. How many did he actually use?

k-s-u please think about what you post my goodness
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 05, 2015, 10:24:58 AM
To be fair, I'm curious about the logistics of carrying six guns at once too.  Duffel bag or something?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 05, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
The CNN thing never happened.  dax and stunted were all over it tho.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzhza1V9oBU
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2015, 10:29:50 AM
The CNN thing never happened.  dax and stunted were all over it tho.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45120_Jim_Hofts_Bogus_Story_About_CNN_Lightening_Oregon_Shooters_Photo_Goes_Viral)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzhza1V9oBU

beta male

:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 05, 2015, 11:24:02 AM
Should probably also do a better job regulating people who think regulating crazy people is some affront to the constitution. Those people are for more dangerous to society than your run of the mill crazy person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 11:34:43 AM
Should probably also do a better job regulating people who think regulating crazy people is some affront to the constitution. Those people are for more dangerous to society than your run of the mill crazy person.

but what are the controls? have you no fear of the government abusing the ability to designate a person crazy and take their arsenal?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
Should probably also do a better job regulating people who think regulating crazy people is some affront to the constitution. Those people are for more dangerous to society than your run of the mill crazy person.

I'm fine with making crazy people take a course/test to get a license to own a firearm (along with everyone else). You know, like we do with cars.

But like, the guy that shot up the black church shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun, but he did because the background check took too long. How are we going to diagnose and keep track of "crazy people" when we can't even search criminal records in a timely manner?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
I thought this was a nice piece:

Quote
Daniel Webster, a public health expert at Johns Hopkins University, notes that in 1999, the government listed the gun stores that had sold the most weapons later linked to crimes. The gun store at the top of the list was so embarrassed that it voluntarily took measures to reduce its use by criminals — and the rate at which new guns from the store were diverted to crime dropped 77 percent.

But in 2003, Congress barred the government from publishing such information.

Why is Congress enabling pipelines of guns to criminals?

Public health experts cite many ways we could live more safely with guns, and many of them have broad popular support.

A poll this year found that majorities even of gun-owners favor universal background checks; tighter regulation of gun dealers; safe storage requirements in homes; and a 10-year prohibition on possessing guns for anyone convicted of domestic violence, assault or similar offenses.

We should also be investing in “smart gun” technology, such as weapons that fire only with a PIN or fingerprint. We should adopt microstamping that allows a bullet casing to be traced back to a particular gun. We can require liability insurance for guns, as we do for cars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-a-new-way-to-tackle-gun-deaths.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 12:39:02 PM
I've seen reports that this guy was carrying as many as 6 guns during the shooting. Unless you're in the Matrix, that seems like more of a hindrance to mass murder than anything. How many did he actually use?

k-s-u please think about what you post my goodness

:dunno: This was not a rhetorical question. There has been a lot of reference to the number of guns he had, and I'm curious to know what role they played in the shooting. I can't find it reported anywhere as to how many guns were actually used.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Having more guns is a hindrance to mass murder

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 12:55:15 PM
Having more guns is a hindrance to mass murder

 :lol:

I would think that you could do a lot more damage with one or two than trying to carry six at the same time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 12:56:41 PM
Having more bullets is a super hindrance I bet  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 12:58:06 PM
I really want to commit mass murder, but I just have this massive collection of guns that get in the way

THANKS OBAMA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 05, 2015, 01:05:06 PM
it does seem like it would be a hindrance.  you don't see professional killers (soldiers, police, hitmen, etc) carrying more than 1 or 2 guns.  3 max.  seems like a total amateur move.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 05, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
How do you even carry six guns at once?  Strap on holsters on every limb and two in the hands?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
Depends on the type of gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 05, 2015, 01:12:53 PM
i bet he was like c43 and his pinch hitters.  he knew he was only going to use the alex gordon gun, but he couldn't bear the thought of the orlando and colon guns missing out on the big event.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Boondock-Saints-Il-Duce-Multiple-Holsters.jpg)

Maybe he's a big il duce fan
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 01:18:57 PM
Die hard taught us you don't even need holsters, just some tape and a swearty/bloody back
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 05, 2015, 01:40:33 PM
Should probably also do a better job regulating people who think regulating crazy people is some affront to the constitution. Those people are for more dangerous to society than your run of the mill crazy person.

I'm fine with making crazy people take a course/test to get a license to own a firearm (along with everyone else). You know, like we do with cars.

But like, the guy that shot up the black church shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun, but he did because the background check took too long. How are we going to diagnose and keep track of "crazy people" when we can't even search criminal records in a timely manner?

Yeah, you and others have made it abundantly clear that you prefer to have murdering psychopaths walking the streets.

Im sure your solution of forcing all people to sift through a bureaucracy of multiple choice tests, "training" and fingerprinting will stop the few psychopaths from mass murder. What psychopath is going to jump through those hoops, amirite????  If these lunatics have demonstrated anything, it's an unwillingness to plan and prepare. #libtard

 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 05, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
i have a friend IRL who got up super early on black friday one year and got an AR-15 at Cabela's (for example):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg)

I don't think you have to get up super early to purchase an AR-15.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: AbeFroman on October 05, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
On black friday you do, I wonder what the deal was on that beaut
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 05, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
i bet he was like c43 and his pinch hitters.  he knew he was only going to use the alex gordon gun, but he couldn't bear the thought of the orlando and colon guns missing out on the big event.

awesome  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 05, 2015, 02:03:11 PM
Should probably also do a better job regulating people who think regulating crazy people is some affront to the constitution. Those people are for more dangerous to society than your run of the mill crazy person.

I'm fine with making crazy people take a course/test to get a license to own a firearm (along with everyone else). You know, like we do with cars.

But like, the guy that shot up the black church shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun, but he did because the background check took too long. How are we going to diagnose and keep track of "crazy people" when we can't even search criminal records in a timely manner?

Yeah, you and others have made it abundantly clear that you prefer to have murdering psychopaths walking the streets.

Im sure your solution of forcing all people to sift through a bureaucracy of multiple choice tests, "training" and fingerprinting will stop the few psychopaths from mass murder. What psychopath is going to jump through those hoops, amirite????  If these lunatics have demonstrated anything, it's an unwillingness to plan and prepare. #libtard

 

Hasn't the "making it more difficult to buy a gun won't stop the psychopaths so why try that?" argument been dismissed as pretty lazy?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MeatSauce on October 05, 2015, 02:59:23 PM
http://www.wbir.com/story/news/2015/10/04/fatal-shooting/73329258/

parents go to prison, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on October 05, 2015, 03:54:02 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/animals/extremely-rare-shark-may-be-weirdest-looking-animal-ever/vi-AAf7Cs0

Uh, okay.  So did the shark shoot somebody?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/animals/extremely-rare-shark-may-be-weirdest-looking-animal-ever/vi-AAf7Cs0

Uh, okay.  So did the shark shoot somebody?
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 08:43:16 PM
I'm guessing the college was a "gun free zone"? Oddly, that did not deter the nutjob criminal. Maybe we should stop making our most vulnerable places gfz's.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
I'm guessing the college was a "gun free zone"? Oddly, that did not deter the nutjob criminal. Maybe we should stop making our most vulnerable places gfz's.
OH GREAT TALKING POINT I CANT BELIEVE NOBODY HAD SAID THAT BEFORE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 05, 2015, 08:51:43 PM
If we just made everything illegal we wouldn't need police or a criminal justice system. #science
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 08:58:19 PM
Here's a biased lib rag article you won't read taking a dump on the gun free zone lie the firearm lobby paid to inject into your brain

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings (http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 05, 2015, 09:01:08 PM
Don't we just have gfz because nut jobs felt that had to carry everywhere? Or is it concealed carry? Either way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
I'm guessing the college was a "gun free zone"? Oddly, that did not deter the nutjob criminal. Maybe we should stop making our most vulnerable places gfz's.
OH GREAT TALKING POINT I CANT BELIEVE NOBODY HAD SAID THAT BEFORE

You know what? You're right. It's just a stupid talking point. To prove it, you should plant a big GFZ sign in your front yard. Immediately. If it's good enough for our schools, it should be good enough for you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 09:19:25 PM
my house is a gun free zone.  i just don't have the sign
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 09:21:08 PM
It's a lie, like almost all positions in the gun "debate"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 09:24:07 PM
my house is a gun free zone.  i just don't have the sign

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You have to have the sign, the same as all the schools and other vulnerable places. What's good for them is good for you. You have to announce to the criminals that you have no guns.

Otherwise, you're just freeloading on the deterrent threat of others owning guns in their homes. That's what I do, except that I'm not a hypocrite on GFZs.

Get those signs up!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 09:25:29 PM
Could I use the sign to lure shooters into my castle for Judge-ment?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 09:26:15 PM
having guns actually makes your house more lucrative to thieves.  guns sell very well on the black market, much better than that dvd collection you're trying to protect with those guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2015, 09:26:36 PM
i have petitioned the city to put a school crossing (and requisite speed zones) around my home - once i get that squared away i'm 100% going for the sticker on my front door
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 09:29:01 PM
Could I use the sign to lure shooters into my castle for Judge-ment?

I'll allow it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 09:30:19 PM
having guns actually makes your house more lucrative to thieves.  guns sell very well on the black market, much better than that dvd collection you're trying to protect with those guns

Yes, guns are valuable to thieves. Guns in the hands of a homeowner are not. But seriously, if you think you're right, you'd be a fool not to get that sign up pronto!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2015, 09:31:45 PM
ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?
Baller
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
not very valuble on the secondary market
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2015, 09:32:50 PM
ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?
Baller

Baller in the hand and Baller in the bush, equally?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 05, 2015, 09:32:58 PM
having guns actually makes your house more lucrative to thieves.  guns sell very well on the black market, much better than that dvd collection you're trying to protect with those guns

lol. bro my dvd collection has "The Thrill of it All, the Story of the 1985 Royals"

Worth over a million dollars on the black market
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 05, 2015, 09:33:22 PM
ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?

That depends. Do you know how to properly throw ninja stars? It's harder than it looks. Machete is much more user friendly but you gotta get close....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 09:36:30 PM
you guys realize a hattori hanzo sword only fetched $250 at a pawn shop in el paso
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
AMMO FREE ZONE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2015, 09:37:34 PM
(the ninja stars are loaded, tho)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 05, 2015, 09:41:39 PM
My house is a posted Ninja Star Free Zone.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2015, 09:42:43 PM
my house is a posted giant free zone.  no stompings yet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2015, 09:44:52 PM


ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?

That depends. Do you know how to properly throw ninja stars? It's harder than it looks. Machete is much more user friendly but you gotta get close....

guns are definitely the easiest tool to kill someone with
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 05, 2015, 09:45:34 PM


ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?

That depends. Do you know how to properly throw ninja stars? It's harder than it looks. Machete is much more user friendly but you gotta get close....

guns are definitely the easiest tool to kill someone with

kindness
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 05, 2015, 09:54:29 PM
Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2015, 09:54:51 PM


ruling on value of machetes?  ninja stars?

That depends. Do you know how to properly throw ninja stars? It's harder than it looks. Machete is much more user friendly but you gotta get close....

guns are definitely the easiest tool to kill someone with

A marvel of efficiency
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 05, 2015, 10:18:09 PM
Remember when B.O. publicly announced the date we were pulling troops out of iraq??? That worked out okay. . .for ISIS.

Word to the wise, if people want to rape and murder you, don't let the bad guys know when the dudes with the guns are leaving. #commonsense
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 05, 2015, 10:21:07 PM
Remember when B.O. publicly announced the date we were pulling troops out of iraq??? That worked out okay. . .for ISIS.

Word to the wise, if people want to rape and murder you, don't let the bad guys know when the dudes with the guns are leaving. #commonsense
You need to move.  Your neighborhood sounds bad

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 05, 2015, 10:27:16 PM
Remember when B.O. publicly announced the date we were pulling troops out of iraq??? That worked out okay. . .for ISIS.

Word to the wise, if people want to rape and murder you, don't let the bad guys know when the dudes with the guns are leaving. #commonsense
You need to move.  Your neighborhood sounds bad

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WTTW, stop being a tool
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on October 06, 2015, 02:27:06 AM
Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

Someone raised up a gun in da club in Taiwan during a big fight. Nobody flinched or got scared  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2015, 05:45:31 AM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 06, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/04/oregon-shooting-state-universities-campus-gun-laws-concealed-carry
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2015, 08:24:54 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/04/oregon-shooting-state-universities-campus-gun-laws-concealed-carry
Obviously they needed more guns, it's the only logical solution
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 06, 2015, 08:27:21 AM
This story was linked in the comments.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/05/tennessee-boy-kills-girl-puppies-sheriff 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 06, 2015, 08:30:51 AM
Seems like what we're doing re guns has been really effective:
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Since we're in the Pit, I'm going to 100% attribute the decline to liberalizing gun laws (oooh, see what I did there)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 06, 2015, 11:50:06 AM
Hmm. Looks like Obama would rather demagogue for more gun control laws than actually enforce the ones on the books. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/23/despite-rhetoric-gun-prosecutions-plummet-under-ob/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/23/despite-rhetoric-gun-prosecutions-plummet-under-ob/?page=all)

Quote
While President Obama decries gun violence and presses for more laws to restrict ownership, his Justice Department has prosecuted 25 percent fewer cases referred by the main law enforcement agency charged with reducing firearms violence across the country, a computer analysis of U.S. prosecution data shows.

Federal prosecutors brought a total of 5,082 gun violation cases in 2013 recommended by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, compared with 6,791 during the last year of George W. Bush’s presidency in 2008, according to data obtained from the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys.

The 2013 totals represent a 42 percent decline from the record number of 8,752 prosecutions of ATF cases brought by the Justice Department in 2004 under Mr. Bush, according to the data.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 06, 2015, 11:57:01 AM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
I have too. I'm just curious how many people that feel they must have a gun for protection or that carrying guns around makes them safe have actually had any experience with needing a gun. Or have had their lives threatened to the point that they would need one. Most all of the people I know that love their guns are scared white men that don't like anyone that is darker than they. Usually without cause.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on October 06, 2015, 12:09:53 PM
Same sdk
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on October 06, 2015, 12:10:24 PM
Except the part where you said you've had a gun pulled on you. I have not
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2015, 12:11:02 PM
My dad owns a gun, but he must be scared to crap of birds, because that's what he uses it for.  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 06, 2015, 02:03:46 PM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
I have too. I'm just curious how many people that feel they must have a gun for protection or that carrying guns around makes them safe have actually had any experience with needing a gun. Or have had their lives threatened to the point that they would need one. Most all of the people I know that love their guns are scared white men that don't like anyone that is darker than they. Usually without cause.

Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2015, 02:23:49 PM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
I have too. I'm just curious how many people that feel they must have a gun for protection or that carrying guns around makes them safe have actually had any experience with needing a gun. Or have had their lives threatened to the point that they would need one. Most all of the people I know that love their guns are scared white men that don't like anyone that is darker than they. Usually without cause.

Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have.

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10346537_782105101813702_5055248237096769014_n.jpg?oh=7edf412ea479067073024718a84165e7&oe=56D16A5E)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 06, 2015, 02:24:26 PM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
I have too. I'm just curious how many people that feel they must have a gun for protection or that carrying guns around makes them safe have actually had any experience with needing a gun. Or have had their lives threatened to the point that they would need one. Most all of the people I know that love their guns are scared white men that don't like anyone that is darker than they. Usually without cause.

Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have.
My stance on stricter gun laws as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 06, 2015, 02:32:52 PM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
I have too. I'm just curious how many people that feel they must have a gun for protection or that carrying guns around makes them safe have actually had any experience with needing a gun. Or have had their lives threatened to the point that they would need one. Most all of the people I know that love their guns are scared white men that don't like anyone that is darker than they. Usually without cause.

I don't own a gun, and I don't need to own a gun to benefit from the deterrent of other people owning guns. So to all you law-abiding gun owners, thanks for helping me out! :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2015, 02:36:45 PM

Has anyone that is posting in here ever had a gun pulled on them?

I have
I have too. I'm just curious how many people that feel they must have a gun for protection or that carrying guns around makes them safe have actually had any experience with needing a gun. Or have had their lives threatened to the point that they would need one. Most all of the people I know that love their guns are scared white men that don't like anyone that is darker than they. Usually without cause.

I don't own a gun, and I don't need to own a gun to benefit from the deterrent of other people owning guns. So to all you law-abiding gun owners, thanks for helping me out! :cheers:

Whoever got this narrative/logic to become common is a PR and marketing wizard or something. You really have to tip your cap to the NRA. It's quite amazing, and that's considering how stupid most people are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 06, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
The NRA is boss AF.  they combine the right amount of political donations with appealing to their base.  LaPierre a master
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 06, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
They only spend like $3MM a year, too.  Chump change. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
I've had a gun pulled on me before, but it made me want to do the opposite of buying a gun after the fact. Guns scare the crap out of me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 06, 2015, 02:58:43 PM
I've had a gun pulled on me before, but it made me want to do the opposite of buying a gun after the fact. Guns scare the crap out of me.

Did you call the cops?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2015, 03:01:09 PM
I've had a gun pulled on me before, but it made me want to do the opposite of buying a gun after the fact. Guns scare the crap out of me.

Did you call the cops?
Yeah, it was in Oklahoma City. Not much came out of it. It terrified me, because I heard gun shots before the incident. I figured I was doomed. I have no clue if the gun shots were related tho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2015, 03:07:21 PM
They only spend like $3MM a year, too.  Chump change. 

not sure where you get that number, but even with a $300 million budget, it's still impressive http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/53-0116130/national-rifle-association-america.aspx
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 06, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
They only spend like $3MM a year, too.  Chump change. 

not sure where you get that number, but even with a $300 million budget, it's still impressive http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/53-0116130/national-rifle-association-america.aspx

Sorry, I meant to say $3MM specific to lobbying, as in my head I was trying to size them compared to other lobbies, and they are quite small:

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000082

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 06, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
They only spend like $3MM a year, too.  Chump change. 

not sure where you get that number, but even with a $300 million budget, it's still impressive http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/53-0116130/national-rifle-association-america.aspx

Sorry, I meant to say $3MM specific to lobbying, as in my head I was trying to size them compared to other lobbies, and they are quite small:

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000082

That actually seems like at least an order of magnitude too low, though.  Maybe the data is too specific/limiting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 06, 2015, 04:32:41 PM
I don't think they need to lobby that hard since the right to own a gun is part of the constitution. It's like lobbying for free speech or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2015, 04:39:07 PM
It's like lobbying for free speech or something.

the ACLU does this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 06, 2015, 04:42:17 PM
It's like lobbying for free speech or something.

the ACLU does this

They stay pretty busy too
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 06, 2015, 04:47:01 PM
The NRA doesnt care about anyones rights or any constitutions amendments. they care about the firearms industry's revenue and profits because thats who has them bought (and paid for)

is this a hot take?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 06, 2015, 04:56:35 PM
It's like lobbying for free speech or something.

the ACLU does this

Maybe not a good comparo, since nearly everything is considered speech now. Maybe even owning a gun can be a free speech argument?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 06, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
It's like lobbying for free speech or something.

the ACLU does this

Maybe not a good comparo, since nearly everything is considered speech now. Maybe even owning a gun can be a free speech argument?
lol no
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 06, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
It's like lobbying for free speech or something.

the ACLU does this

Maybe not a good comparo, since nearly everything is considered speech now. Maybe even owning a gun can be a free speech argument?
lol no

If burning a flag is free speech, why can't shooting a flag be free speech?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 06, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
It's like lobbying for free speech or something.

the ACLU does this

Maybe not a good comparo, since nearly everything is considered speech now. Maybe even owning a gun can be a free speech argument?
lol no

If burning a flag is free speech, why can't shooting a flag be free speech?

I like to use nuclear weapons to desecrate the flag #comeandtakeit #1a
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 06, 2015, 09:42:16 PM
good grief, JD. You really need to improve.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 06, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
What the eff. A bull was assassinated at kstate. With a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 06, 2015, 10:15:02 PM
It's actually strange cows aren't murdered more often, considering all criminals know they have no Right to Bear (and never do).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 06, 2015, 11:48:27 PM
good grief, JD. You really need to improve.

I'm not spending any extra time actually thinking about what I post.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on October 07, 2015, 12:37:03 AM
Know someone very close to me who had two guys come into his restaurant, ate, then pulled out guns to rob the place and some patrons. Then the story kind of goes Die Hard, with the gun being pointed at an assistant manager who was freaking the eff out and my bro (ok, it's my actual bro) walked up to the guy and said, "I am the manager, point that at me and let her go". They robbed the place and left. Two weeks later a restaurant in a different city was robbed the same way and the manager was shot and killed. They caught the two guys...same two guys!
My bro testified in their trial.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 07, 2015, 12:40:16 AM
 Yowza!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2015, 12:45:39 AM
That doesn't sound like die hard at all
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2015, 05:45:19 AM
Maybe he meant pulp fiction
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2015, 07:37:41 AM
Maybe he meant pulp fiction

more like a history of violence
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 07, 2015, 08:17:15 AM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1258cbCOMIC-ballistic-missile-control.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 07, 2015, 08:26:11 AM
That doesn't sound like die hard at all

Was the assistant manager (second in charge) named Holly?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 07, 2015, 09:07:31 AM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1258cbCOMIC-ballistic-missile-control.jpg)

Pffft no HOA is going to allow a missile battery on the front lawn.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 07, 2015, 09:38:35 AM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1258cbCOMIC-ballistic-missile-control.jpg)

Pffft no HOA is going to allow a missile battery on the front lawn.  :rolleyes:

Texas
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 07, 2015, 09:40:54 AM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1258cbCOMIC-ballistic-missile-control.jpg)

Pffft no HOA is going to allow a missile battery on the front lawn.  :rolleyes:

Texas

Well, Texas can do what they want.  Any day they could just secede and there's nothing anybody could do about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2015, 10:08:34 AM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1258cbCOMIC-ballistic-missile-control.jpg)

Pffft no HOA is going to allow a missile battery on the front lawn.  :rolleyes:

Texas

Well, Texas can do what they want.  Any day they could just secede and there's nothing anybody could do about it.

I think they tried that once and it didn't work out so great
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 07, 2015, 10:17:21 AM
(http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1258cbCOMIC-ballistic-missile-control.jpg)

Pffft no HOA is going to allow a missile battery on the front lawn.  :rolleyes:

Texas

Well, Texas can do what they want.  Any day they could just secede and there's nothing anybody could do about it.

I think they tried that once and it didn't work out so great

correct
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2015, 11:23:03 AM
Most of the south and the midwest would have builders selling that as an amenity on new upscale homes and the HOA's that weren't highfalutin(thanks, ben Carson) would have a communal missile battery in the middle of the neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 07, 2015, 12:44:50 PM
Probably though some rough ridin' carpetbaggers would be selling the missile batteries to the HOA's, but then renting or leasing to them the targeting system.  Recurring revenue business model, ya know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 07, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
if someone wanted a missile system, they should be allowed to have one (does anyone actually know if it is illegal to possess one?  seems like something that very well may be legal that people just assume is illegal).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2015, 01:31:46 PM
if someone wanted a missile system, they should be allowed to have one (does anyone actually know if it is illegal to possess one?  seems like something that very well may be legal that people just assume is illegal).

they're kind of pricy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 07, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
they're kind of pricy


a niche market, for sure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 07, 2015, 02:04:35 PM
FWIW, I don't think any of those candidates would advocate for the right to own missles. Well, maybe Ted Cruz, but only to piss off the liberals.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
FWIW, I don't think any of those candidates would advocate for the right to own missles. Well, maybe Ted Cruz, but only to piss off the liberals.

Why wouldn't they support the right to own missiles?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2015, 02:10:36 PM
Pretty inconsistent with the right to bear arms
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 07, 2015, 02:11:25 PM
FWIW, I don't think any of those candidates would advocate for the right to own missles. Well, maybe Ted Cruz, but only to piss off the liberals.

Why wouldn't they support the right to own missiles?

There isn't an NMA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 07, 2015, 02:20:32 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/15/pawn-stars-purchase-missile-guidance-report-says/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 07, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
FWIW, it's legal to own fighter jets.  A few years ago Paul Allen bought a Mig-29.  Also there is some guy in Arizona who has some planes, not sure what kid, but fitted with their canons or machine guns and he flies them and actually fires the gun on targets out in the desert.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 07, 2015, 03:44:09 PM
im sure missiles are fine (look at model rocket buffs), but warheads are definitely banned*


*mocat bait
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on October 07, 2015, 04:09:22 PM
How about when demented children figure out how to drop bombs from drones.  Cheaper than missles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 07, 2015, 04:14:16 PM
How about when demented children figure out how to drop bombs from drones.  Cheaper than missles.

No Constitutional right for either of those things
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2015, 04:20:54 PM
How about when demented children figure out how to drop bombs from drones.  Cheaper than missles.

No Constitutional right for either of those things

Drones are speech!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2015, 04:44:48 PM
I can't believe the libtards haven't introduced legislation to prevent the public from acquiring missile defense systems. Dont they care about our safety????  Particularly since Pubs clearly obviously candidly believe missile defense ownership is protected under the second amendment. Seems like low hanging fruit that could get them the momentum they need to finally disarm all americans - except the mentally handicapped, of course.

I'm also surprised Mir hasn't dropped in with his usual "nice strawman" quip
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 07, 2015, 05:24:58 PM
FWIW, I would love it if all Americans were disarmed. Or maybe all the hardcore  butthurt gun nut weirdos get, like, one or two hunting guns to kill food with (and jerk off to) and one six-bullet handgun for protection (and also to jerk off to). Get caught with any more than that and it's a minimum 50-year sentence. Sorry, that's the price we have to pay for people walking into elementary schools and blowing off 25 5 year-olds' heads.

*edit* actually the only guns you get are muskets since that's what they had when the second amendment was written. Good news, though, is that I think muskets probably have wider barrels for gun nuts to insert their penises into for purposes of getting their rocks off at murder weapons. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 07, 2015, 05:33:33 PM
How about when demented children figure out how to drop bombs from drones.  Cheaper than missles.

No Constitutional right for either of those things

Drones are speech!

I'm sure a judge somewhere would agree, especially if its on fire.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Activist judges  :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2015, 08:44:12 PM

*edit* actually the only guns you get are muskets since that's what they had when the second amendment was written. Good news, though, is that I think muskets probably have wider barrels for gun nuts to insert their penises into for purposes of getting their rocks off at murder weapons. :dunno:

FWIW, under this scenario only white males would get to vote on stuff, and would get to keep slaves. So you're a weirdo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2015, 08:48:06 PM
Canons were invented at the time the bill of rights were adopted, so maybe the framers didn't intend for artillery (and by extension anti-aircraft) to be protected.  :dunno:

The analogy might get in the way of the contrived dialogue being advocated against, so disregard as necessary
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 07, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.

no one cares about strangers that accidentally die, weirdo.  if you can't feel more virtuous and refined by rambling on about the lower classes masturbating to the thought of cars, what's the point?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2015, 09:21:57 PM


Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.

Yeah no one cares about that, which is why we don't have speed limits or driver's licenses or DUI laws or safety standards and inspections for cars and no one is going to produce self driving cars that will be safer than human-operated ones. Boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2015, 09:30:12 PM
It's too bad we are at a complete stalemate between out and out gun grabbing and lawful possession of ICBMs. Meanwhile, murdering psychopaths are strolling to streets because some libtards were afraid of stygmatizing murdering psychopaths.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 07, 2015, 09:31:28 PM


Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.

Yeah no one cares about that, which is why we don't have speed limits or driver's licenses or DUI laws or safety standards and inspections for cars and no one is going to produce self driving cars that will be safer than human-operated ones. Boggles the mind.

This doesn't go far enough, surely everyone would agree if  everybody would walk to their destination we could save 30,000 lives a year, if that kinda thing is important to ya.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2015, 09:38:31 PM
Oh hello, batshit crazy
Quote
@wsj
Hillary Clinton calls NRA as stubborn as 'Iranians' or 'Communists' http://t.co/jsTxgvOwUS

This is what they (libtards) mean by "reasonable"

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2015, 09:55:11 PM


Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.

Yeah no one cares about that, which is why we don't have speed limits or driver's licenses or DUI laws or safety standards and inspections for cars and no one is going to produce self driving cars that will be safer than human-operated ones. Boggles the mind.

This doesn't go far enough, surely everyone would agree if  everybody would walk to their destination we could save 30,000 lives a year, if that kinda thing is important to ya.
That seems like it would be disastrous to the economy. Maybe start with better public transit and more funding for auto safety research.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2015, 09:58:28 PM
Oregon has background checks, gun show and assault weapon restrictions. Fyi
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 07, 2015, 10:01:16 PM


Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.

Yeah no one cares about that, which is why we don't have speed limits or driver's licenses or DUI laws or safety standards and inspections for cars and no one is going to produce self driving cars that will be safer than human-operated ones. Boggles the mind.

And yet 30k plus still for every year, but at least we tried.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 07, 2015, 10:03:26 PM


Why are we ok with 30k+ of our fellow citizens being killed violently in cars per year?  It kind of boggles the mind.

Yeah no one cares about that, which is why we don't have speed limits or driver's licenses or DUI laws or safety standards and inspections for cars and no one is going to produce self driving cars that will be safer than human-operated ones. Boggles the mind.

This doesn't go far enough, surely everyone would agree if  everybody would walk to their destination we could save 30,000 lives a year, if that kinda thing is important to ya.
That seems like it would be disastrous to the economy. Maybe start with better public transit and more funding for auto safety research.
No way, we are getting rid of guns and cars and saving lives and the planet here pal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2015, 10:07:23 PM
 I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 07, 2015, 10:10:07 PM
Canons were invented at the time the bill of rights were adopted, so maybe the framers didn't intend for artillery (and by extension anti-aircraft) to be protected.  :dunno:

The analogy might get in the way of the contrived dialogue being advocated against, so disregard as necessary

Well regulated militia tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 08, 2015, 03:29:49 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 08:49:01 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 08:59:27 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?

selling the organs and brain tissue of gun victims
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:00:52 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
User tax
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 08, 2015, 09:10:28 AM
User tax

Too regressive :nono:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:16:31 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 09:17:28 AM
Has the added benefit of pricing guns out of the hands of people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:25:40 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Car owners/drivers pay for their safety inspections, licenses and registration, seems reasonable for gun owners to do the same.

And really, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals SHOULD be at the top of mind of gun owners if they want to preserve gun ownership long-term. Doing nothing will backfire. (Not literally)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
Has the added benefit of pricing guns out of the hands of people

Guns that fund over $500MM of wildlife conservation every year (and that's just the federal money).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 09:32:10 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

yeah, this seems reasonable. auto owners fund auto programs with licensing, plate, etc taxes. set up something similar.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:37:33 AM
I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Car owners/drivers pay for their safety inspections, licenses and registration, seems reasonable for gun owners to do the same.

And really, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals SHOULD be at the top of mind of gun owners if they want to preserve gun ownership long-term. Doing nothing will backfire. (Not literally)

The difference is driving is not a protected right guaranteed by the Constitution, which makes it much easier to regulate. 

FWIW, I'd personally be willing to pay a higher tax on guns/ammo for a trade-off: extend the P-R act to include more outdoor gear (including the REI type stuff), and require the non-fishing/hunting outdoors folks to purchase a license to access certain public lands.  Like the hiker/bird watcher types.  And guarantee that all those funds go towards conservation.  As it is now the hunters/fishermen fully fund the outdoors in this country, something that benefits the general public. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:39:50 AM


I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Car owners/drivers pay for their safety inspections, licenses and registration, seems reasonable for gun owners to do the same.

And really, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals SHOULD be at the top of mind of gun owners if they want to preserve gun ownership long-term. Doing nothing will backfire. (Not literally)

The difference is driving is not a protected right guaranteed by the Constitution, which makes it much easier to regulate. 

FWIW, I'd personally be willing to pay a higher tax on guns/ammo for a trade-off: extend the P-R act to include more outdoor gear (including the REI type stuff), and require the non-fishing/hunting outdoors folks to purchase a license to access certain public lands.  Like the hiker/bird watcher types.  And guarantee that all those funds go towards conservation.  As it is now the hunters/fishermen fully fund the outdoors in this country, something that benefits the general public.

Criminals that buy ammo support wildlife conservation, too.

And lol at hunters/fishermen "fully funding the outdoors".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:41:19 AM


I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Car owners/drivers pay for their safety inspections, licenses and registration, seems reasonable for gun owners to do the same.

And really, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals SHOULD be at the top of mind of gun owners if they want to preserve gun ownership long-term. Doing nothing will backfire. (Not literally)

The difference is driving is not a protected right guaranteed by the Constitution, which makes it much easier to regulate. 

FWIW, I'd personally be willing to pay a higher tax on guns/ammo for a trade-off: extend the P-R act to include more outdoor gear (including the REI type stuff), and require the non-fishing/hunting outdoors folks to purchase a license to access certain public lands.  Like the hiker/bird watcher types.  And guarantee that all those funds go towards conservation.  As it is now the hunters/fishermen fully fund the outdoors in this country, something that benefits the general public.

Criminals that buy ammo support wildlife conservation, too.

And lol at hunters/fishermen "fully funding the outdoors".

They absolutely are.  While that is tough to prove, you certainly must agree they are paying more than their fair share?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
And the logic that it should be more difficult to regulate literal killing tools than transportation devices because "it's in the constitution" is absurd. I know it's the reality but if that's how we use the constitution we're pretty rough ridin' stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:46:51 AM




I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Car owners/drivers pay for their safety inspections, licenses and registration, seems reasonable for gun owners to do the same.

And really, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals SHOULD be at the top of mind of gun owners if they want to preserve gun ownership long-term. Doing nothing will backfire. (Not literally)

The difference is driving is not a protected right guaranteed by the Constitution, which makes it much easier to regulate. 

FWIW, I'd personally be willing to pay a higher tax on guns/ammo for a trade-off: extend the P-R act to include more outdoor gear (including the REI type stuff), and require the non-fishing/hunting outdoors folks to purchase a license to access certain public lands.  Like the hiker/bird watcher types.  And guarantee that all those funds go towards conservation.  As it is now the hunters/fishermen fully fund the outdoors in this country, something that benefits the general public.

Criminals that buy ammo support wildlife conservation, too.

And lol at hunters/fishermen "fully funding the outdoors".

They absolutely are.  While that is tough to prove, you certainly must agree they are paying more than their fair share?

No, I do not think they are paying their "fair share". And I would rather gun owners pay for background checks on private party sales and registration fees and things like that and let the public pay for wildlife conservation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
Do you need a background check to buy a car?  For example, someone with a revoke/suspended driver's license, could they not buy a car? 

Guns are already pretty regulated.  More regulated than cars and cigarettes which kill an order of magnitude more people every year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 09:48:45 AM
And the logic that it should be more difficult to regulate literal killing tools than transportation devices because "it's in the constitution" is absurd. I know it's the reality but if that's how we use the constitution we're pretty rough ridin' stupid.

"well regulated" is also in there which you can argue is the only part of the second amendment that isn't being properly handled currently.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:49:04 AM




I don't want to ban guns at all. I think you could significantly reduce gun deaths without banning them.

(I'm sure we've been over this before...) How would the regulation you have in mind be funded?
The gun owners would pay for a lot of it, (through things such as registration and license fees) but I'm sure the general population will pick up much of the tab.

Non-starter.  If the public is the beneficiary of the regulation, the public should pick up the whole tab.  Guns are already taxed enough.
Car owners/drivers pay for their safety inspections, licenses and registration, seems reasonable for gun owners to do the same.

And really, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals SHOULD be at the top of mind of gun owners if they want to preserve gun ownership long-term. Doing nothing will backfire. (Not literally)

The difference is driving is not a protected right guaranteed by the Constitution, which makes it much easier to regulate. 

FWIW, I'd personally be willing to pay a higher tax on guns/ammo for a trade-off: extend the P-R act to include more outdoor gear (including the REI type stuff), and require the non-fishing/hunting outdoors folks to purchase a license to access certain public lands.  Like the hiker/bird watcher types.  And guarantee that all those funds go towards conservation.  As it is now the hunters/fishermen fully fund the outdoors in this country, something that benefits the general public.

Criminals that buy ammo support wildlife conservation, too.

And lol at hunters/fishermen "fully funding the outdoors".

They absolutely are.  While that is tough to prove, you certainly must agree they are paying more than their fair share?

No, I do not think they are paying their "fair share". And I would rather gun owners pay for background checks on private party sales and registration fees and things like that and let the public pay for wildlife conservation.

Evidence?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 09:50:38 AM
I can't believe the libtards haven't introduced legislation to prevent the public from acquiring missile defense systems. Dont they care about our safety????  Particularly since Pubs clearly obviously candidly believe missile defense ownership is protected under the second amendment. Seems like low hanging fruit that could get them the momentum they need to finally disarm all americans - except the mentally handicapped, of course.

I'm also surprised Mir hasn't dropped in with his usual "nice strawman" quip

I would enjoy this. A lot. Some Democrat needs to introduce this legislation pronto.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Maybe just change the Constitution?  That seems like the easiest way. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 09:55:08 AM
Maybe just change the Constitution?  That seems like the easiest way.

well, we've done it 27 times before.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 09:55:28 AM
start a Guns for Stunz program where if you turn in your gun then ksuno1stunner is your wingman for a rousing alpha male night on the town.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 09:56:40 AM
start a Guns for Stunz program where if you turn in your gun then ksuno1stunner is your wingman for a rousing alpha male night on the town.

I have an old 16 gauge with no bullets that would be turned in day 1
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 09:57:28 AM
Maybe just change the Constitution?  That seems like the easiest way.

well, we've done it 27 times before.

Ok just do that then, problem solved!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 09:58:04 AM
start a Guns for Stunz program where if you turn in your gun then ksuno1stunner is your wingman for a rousing alpha male night on the town.

I have an old 16 gauge with no bullets that would be turned in day 1
i think i'd probably buy a gun just to turn it back in.  sometimes the carrot works better than the stick.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 10:03:41 AM
Maybe just change the Constitution?  That seems like the easiest way.

well, we've done it 27 times before.

Ok just do that then, problem solved!

The last one only took like 200 years to ratify so just please be patient and let the process work.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 10:03:59 AM
So Rusty, your proposal is adding background checks for private sales? Why would that help? How many of these mass shootings would that have prevented? How many criminal injuries or deaths result from guns legally purchased in private sales without background checks?

None of these are rhetorical questions, btw - I really don't know the answers. But my suspicion is that the numbers are quite low.

Ok, and one slightly more rhetorical question: if background checks are so beneficial, how is it that these lunatics seem to keep passing them?!

I think the genie is out of the bottle on this issue, and has been ever since... the Second Amendment. The only thing I can think of that might meaningfully reduce gun crimes would be to (1) Repeal the 2A, (2) shut down all gun manufacturers in the US, (3) ban imports, and (4) engage in a massive efforts to buy back and/or confiscate and destroy guns. Even that would take decades. Since that really isn't possible, maybe we should focus on more closely tracking the mentally ill and increasing security instead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:04:09 AM
Maybe just change the Constitution?  That seems like the easiest way.
Nothing I've proposed would be unconstitutional. There precedent has already been set.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 10:06:08 AM
Maybe just change the Constitution?  That seems like the easiest way.
Nothing I've proposed would be unconstitutional. There precedent has already been set.

yeah, "well regulated" is already in there. I like your plan rus.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 10:09:38 AM
maybe an Arms for Farms program whereby libtard hayseeds like Steve Dave can put their farms where their mouths are and turn over some farms in exchange for some guns or something.  :th_twocents: :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:19:02 AM
So Rusty, your proposal is adding background checks for private sales? Why would that help? How many of these mass shootings would that have prevented? How many criminal injuries or deaths result from guns legally purchased in private sales without background checks?

Background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration would reduce the number of guns that enter the black market. It probably wouldn't do much to reduce mass shootings but could help the overall criminal injury rate.

Hopefully, a new education and licensing program would filter out some of the mentally ill that conduct mass shootings, but perhaps more importantly, it could help reduce the insane number of accidental shootings of and by children every year and keep guns out of the hands of the suicidal.

We should also look at ways to make guns safer, such as better/mandatory locks or perhaps fingerprint recognition safeties. (This isn't a complete list, and these aren't necessarily feasible at this time.)

None of these things will instantly reduce gun deaths, but it's a start and something gun owners should support before God forbid something worse than Sandy Hook takes place and people actually want to do something more drastic.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 10:28:33 AM
here's a thought -- get the thumbprint and name of people who purchase ammunition.  cross check it with a criminal database. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 08, 2015, 10:31:13 AM
you wanna know what's unbelievable to me? there are mass shooting truthers. like, people who believe these are hoaxes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:35:47 AM
you wanna know what's unbelievable to me? there are mass shooting truthers. like, people who believe these are hoaxes
It shouldn't be. It's human nature to try to make things like this not seem random. Our minds constantly look for and create patterns where there are none. That's what truthers are doing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
gah, was this already posted?  :frown:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-usa-tennessee-child-shooting-idUSKCN0RZ2I720151005

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/10/05/fifth-grader-kills-girl-8-dispute-over-puppy/73422682/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 08, 2015, 10:42:20 AM
gah, was this already posted?  :frown:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-usa-tennessee-child-shooting-idUSKCN0RZ2I720151005

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/10/05/fifth-grader-kills-girl-8-dispute-over-puppy/73422682/

Yeah.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:45:16 AM

gah, was this already posted?  :frown:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-usa-tennessee-child-shooting-idUSKCN0RZ2I720151005

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/10/05/fifth-grader-kills-girl-8-dispute-over-puppy/73422682/

Yeah. Not much to discuss, really. Hopefully the kid isn't punished too much because it's really not his fault.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 08, 2015, 10:54:57 AM

gah, was this already posted?  :frown:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-usa-tennessee-child-shooting-idUSKCN0RZ2I720151005

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/10/05/fifth-grader-kills-girl-8-dispute-over-puppy/73422682/

Yeah. Not much to discuss, really. Hopefully the kid isn't punished too much because it's really not his fault.

I think 11 is old enough to understand what is going to happen if you shoot somebody in the chest with a shotgun. I'm not saying the kid needs life in prison, but at the very least he should be in juvenile detention until he turns 18.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:58:38 AM

gah, was this already posted?  :frown:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-usa-tennessee-child-shooting-idUSKCN0RZ2I720151005

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/10/05/fifth-grader-kills-girl-8-dispute-over-puppy/73422682/

Yeah. Not much to discuss, really. Hopefully the kid isn't punished too much because it's really not his fault.

I think 11 is old enough to understand what is going to happen if you shoot somebody in the chest with a shotgun. I'm not saying the kid needs life in prison, but at the very least he should be in juvenile detention until he turns 18.

I disagree with the first part, at least with regards to the consequences/risk assessment:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3943187&page=1

I guess it also depends on the kids' history, what type of detention center he would be going to, whether or not the parents will be in prison, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 11:18:30 AM
So Rusty, your proposal is adding background checks for private sales? Why would that help? How many of these mass shootings would that have prevented? How many criminal injuries or deaths result from guns legally purchased in private sales without background checks?

Background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration would reduce the number of guns that enter the black market. It probably wouldn't do much to reduce mass shootings but could help the overall criminal injury rate.

Hopefully, a new education and licensing program would filter out some of the mentally ill that conduct mass shootings, but perhaps more importantly, it could help reduce the insane number of accidental shootings of and by children every year and keep guns out of the hands of the suicidal.

We should also look at ways to make guns safer, such as better/mandatory locks or perhaps fingerprint recognition safeties. (This isn't a complete list, and these aren't necessarily feasible at this time.)

None of these things will instantly reduce gun deaths, but it's a start and something gun owners should support before God forbid something worse than Sandy Hook takes place and people actually want to do something more drastic.

How do background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration reduce the number of guns in the black market? What do you define as the "black market"?

How would that significantly reduce accidental shooting deaths?

And again, you finish by mentioning Sandy Hook, but I don't see how anything you've proposed actually prevents mass killings by crazies in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 11:34:48 AM
So Rusty, your proposal is adding background checks for private sales? Why would that help? How many of these mass shootings would that have prevented? How many criminal injuries or deaths result from guns legally purchased in private sales without background checks?

Background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration would reduce the number of guns that enter the black market. It probably wouldn't do much to reduce mass shootings but could help the overall criminal injury rate.

Hopefully, a new education and licensing program would filter out some of the mentally ill that conduct mass shootings, but perhaps more importantly, it could help reduce the insane number of accidental shootings of and by children every year and keep guns out of the hands of the suicidal.

We should also look at ways to make guns safer, such as better/mandatory locks or perhaps fingerprint recognition safeties. (This isn't a complete list, and these aren't necessarily feasible at this time.)

None of these things will instantly reduce gun deaths, but it's a start and something gun owners should support before God forbid something worse than Sandy Hook takes place and people actually want to do something more drastic.

How do background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration reduce the number of guns in the black market? What do you define as the "black market"?

How would that significantly reduce accidental shooting deaths?

And again, you finish by mentioning Sandy Hook, but I don't see how anything you've proposed actually prevents mass killings by crazies in any meaningful way.

I mean, I explicitly said none of those things would instantly reduce gun deaths. But it's a start that includes nothing that violates the second amendment - if the registration, education, improved background checks, new gun designs and safety features, etc., aren't working, you figure out why and adjust. The notion that "nothing short of eliminating the second amendment will almost entirely eliminate gun deaths" is a terrible reason to do nothing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 08, 2015, 11:36:30 AM
KSUW do you think anything at all should change regarding how guns are available in this country?

Follow-up: why does USA have such a hilariously larger problem with mass shootings than any other country on earth, if not because the USA has such a hilariously larger gun population than any other country on earth?

again, not looking to trap you or something. i just am looking for answers because i am tired of mass shootings like everyone else is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
How does this effect guns sold by Obama and holder to Mexican drug cartels via operation fast and furious?????
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
So Rusty, your proposal is adding background checks for private sales? Why would that help? How many of these mass shootings would that have prevented? How many criminal injuries or deaths result from guns legally purchased in private sales without background checks?

Background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration would reduce the number of guns that enter the black market. It probably wouldn't do much to reduce mass shootings but could help the overall criminal injury rate.

Hopefully, a new education and licensing program would filter out some of the mentally ill that conduct mass shootings, but perhaps more importantly, it could help reduce the insane number of accidental shootings of and by children every year and keep guns out of the hands of the suicidal.

We should also look at ways to make guns safer, such as better/mandatory locks or perhaps fingerprint recognition safeties. (This isn't a complete list, and these aren't necessarily feasible at this time.)

None of these things will instantly reduce gun deaths, but it's a start and something gun owners should support before God forbid something worse than Sandy Hook takes place and people actually want to do something more drastic.

How do background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration reduce the number of guns in the black market? What do you define as the "black market"?

How would that significantly reduce accidental shooting deaths?

And again, you finish by mentioning Sandy Hook, but I don't see how anything you've proposed actually prevents mass killings by crazies in any meaningful way.

I mean, I explicitly said none of those things would instantly reduce gun deaths. But it's a start that includes nothing that violates the second amendment - if the registration, education, improved background checks, new gun designs and safety features, etc., aren't working, you figure out why and adjust. The notion that "nothing short of eliminating the second amendment will almost entirely eliminate gun deaths" is a terrible reason to do nothing.

I'm not trying to argue with you or push a point of view. I don't know much about this so I'm curious. I really want to know why you think things like a national gun registry would help.

But I don't think saying "well, I don't know if this will help or not, but what's the harm in trying?" is an acceptable answer. Unless there's a real benefit (and maybe there is), I don't think we should force people to register to exercise a consitutional right - not a privilege, like driving, but a right.

Then there's the cost. I did some quick Googling and found that Canada tried to implement a similar national gun registry. They originally estimated it would cost $2 million. :lol: As I understand it, it then ballooned to over $500 million, achieved little if any perceivable benefit, and has now been mostly scrapped? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry)

So again, I'm not rying to put down any ideas - I just genuinely want to know your reasoning.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 11:46:58 AM
So Rusty, your proposal is adding background checks for private sales? Why would that help? How many of these mass shootings would that have prevented? How many criminal injuries or deaths result from guns legally purchased in private sales without background checks?

Background checks for private sales combined with mandatory registration would reduce the number of guns that enter the black market. It probably wouldn't do much to reduce mass shootings but could help the overall criminal injury rate.

Hopefully, a new education and licensing program would filter out some of the mentally ill that conduct mass shootings, but perhaps more importantly, it could help reduce the insane number of accidental shootings of and by children every year and keep guns out of the hands of the suicidal.

We should also look at ways to make guns safer, such as better/mandatory locks or perhaps fingerprint recognition safeties. (This isn't a complete list, and these aren't necessarily feasible at this time.)

None of these things will instantly reduce gun deaths, but it's a start and something gun owners should support before God forbid something worse than Sandy Hook takes place and people actually want to do something more drastic.

Is this a Stupid List of Stupid Ideas that are proven failures or fantasy (fingerprint safeties?? are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?)???  The non-fantasy crap is already in place in numerous states and munis (often on a stricter level) and has done demonstrably nothing to improve the perceived problem you are trying to negate. Perhaps, this is all subterfuge to tax guns, and if so, just say it and discontinue the intellectual dishonesty and blatant hypocrisy.

Why not retina scans pre discharge? Perhaps planting a tracking device in everyone's skull who owns a gun? How can you have such disregard for personal privacy and property rights when it comes to guns, but nothing else???

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 11:50:23 AM
KSUW do you think anything at all should change regarding how guns are available in this country?

I don't know. Haven't given enough thought to the issue. I'm toying with the idea of holding gun owners liable for the way their guns are used unless they're reported stolen to police (maybe that's where the national registry comes in), but I don't know if even that would really help.

Follow-up: why does USA have such a hilariously larger problem with mass shootings than any other country on earth, if not because the USA has such a hilariously larger gun population than any other country on earth?

Well, I think you just answered the question. Doesn't the US account for something like half of all privately owned guns on the planet? But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:03:49 PM
I really want to know why you think things like a national gun registry would help.

Here are why Canada did it (along with arguments as to why it wouldn't work):

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_registration_ca.html

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Unless there's a real benefit (and maybe there is), I don't think we should force people to register to exercise a consitutional right - not a privilege, like driving, but a right.

I think we should when the right in question is owning a tool designed to kill people. Plus, isn't voting a right? How do you feel about voter registration?

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Then there's the cost. I did some quick Googling and found that Canada tried to implement a similar national gun registry. They originally estimated it would cost $2 million. :lol: As I understand it, it then ballooned to over $500 million, achieved little if any perceivable benefit, and has now been mostly scrapped? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry)

gun owners should cover the cost when they purchase a gun.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:15:36 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

It's in their best interest to start doing something on their terms while they still can. Yeah, most people are pretty numb to mass shootings now, but they won't be forever.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
get it together people

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/08/woman-with-concealed-gun-permit-shoots-at-fleeing-shoplifter-could-face-charges/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 12:32:20 PM
Libtard statists love them some unfounded bureaucracy to further their police state. Fear mongering to the masses to push gun control; they've evolved into their own Dick Cheney characiture. It's quite hilarious, and pathetic.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.
I really, really find the "the genie's already out of the bottle" issue to be true.  The amount of guns in this country make comparisons to other countries completely apples and oranges.  That said, if we start getting serious about ammunition, then that is negated to some degree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:38:56 PM
Libtard statists love them some unfounded bureaucracy to further their police state. Fear mongering to the masses to push gun control; they've evolved into their own Dick Cheney characiture. It's quite hilarious, and pathetic.

I would like less spying on citizens in the name of terrorism reduction. It's a far higher priority for me than gun control. To me, it's a more important right, too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 12:42:17 PM
got pricked by a needle in a hay stack the other day. Should we ban needles, or just start with the federal needle registry thing. Maybe force seemstresses to pay a needle registration tax and install cameras on needles.

WAKE UP PEOPLE
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST OVERSEE A NATIONAL PROGRAM TO PREVENT THIS
DO SOMETHING

Why did a seemstress put the needle in the hay stack? IT'S NOT IMPORTANT
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
Unless there's a real benefit (and maybe there is), I don't think we should force people to register to exercise a consitutional right - not a privilege, like driving, but a right.

I think we should when the right in question is owning a tool designed to kill people. Plus, isn't voting a right? How do you feel about voter registration?

I've heard that argument and maybe there's some validity to it. But the main reason we require voter registration is to prevent voter fraud, because voter fraud disenfranchises all of us. Without registration, you'd have people stuffing ballot boxes, voting in multiple precincts, etc. Thus, voter registration actually protects our right to vote by protecting the value of our votes.

I don't think a correspondingly strong argument can be made for national gun registration protecting our right to own guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 12:43:48 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Libtard statists love them some unfounded bureaucracy to further their police state. Fear mongering to the masses to push gun control; they've evolved into their own Dick Cheney characiture. It's quite hilarious, and pathetic.

I would like less spying on citizens in the name of terrorism reduction. It's a far higher priority for me than gun control. To me, it's a more important right, too.

I'm sure you do. The spying thing is ostensibly working, so ditch that. I didn't realize inalienable rights could be prioritized - that's an interesting police state negotiating stance.

Get the eff out of here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 12:46:03 PM
But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.

I really, really find the "the genie's already out of the bottle" issue to be true.  The amount of guns in this country make comparisons to other countries completely apples and oranges.  That said, if we start getting serious about ammunition, then that is negated to some degree.

Maybe, but I don't think driving up the price of ammo, through taxation or regulation, would do anything except encourage a huge black market for ammo. Think Prohibition.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
Libtard statists love them some unfounded bureaucracy to further their police state. Fear mongering to the masses to push gun control; they've evolved into their own Dick Cheney characiture. It's quite hilarious, and pathetic.

I would like less spying on citizens in the name of terrorism reduction. It's a far higher priority for me than gun control. To me, it's a more important right, too.

I'm sure you do. The spying thing is ostensibly working, so ditch that.

Is it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 12:48:11 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 12:53:24 PM
Yeah not to go too far off topic, but I am also skeptical of our nation's broad powers to spy on citizens. I don't lose much sleep over it because I'm not doing any wrong, but I don't like the path we're heading down.

On a related point, I really don't like how the FBI and USAGs seem to spend so much time and money baiting people into attempting terrorism, and then they brag about how they foiled a terrorist attack - that they pretty much concocted by themselves. The recent Wichita airport case comes to mind. They really seem to be crossing the "entrapment" line - not that judges have ever given much credence to that - and I'm skeptical it's really increasing our security.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

I'm willing to compromise and I'm an NRA member/supporter.  So boom your theory is crap canned!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 12:54:43 PM
Yeah not to go too far off topic, but I am also skeptical of our nation's broad powers to spy on citizens. I don't lose much sleep over it because I'm not doing any wrong, but I don't like the path we're heading down.

On a related point, I really don't like how the FBI and USAGs seem to spend so much time and money baiting people into attempting terrorism, and then they brag about how they foiled a terrorist attack - that they pretty much concocted by themselves. The recent Wichita airport case comes to mind. They really seem to be crossing the "entrapment" line - not that judges have ever given much credence to that - and I'm skeptical it's really increasing our security.

let the record show KSUDub and steve dave are in full agreement here.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:55:02 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

I'm willing to compromise and I'm an NRA member/supporter.  So boom your theory is crap canned!

So what do you propose we do to reduce firearm deaths?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Yeah not to go too far off topic, but I am also skeptical of our nation's broad powers to spy on citizens. I don't lose much sleep over it because I'm not doing any wrong, but I don't like the path we're heading down.

On a related point, I really don't like how the FBI and USAGs seem to spend so much time and money baiting people into attempting terrorism, and then they brag about how they foiled a terrorist attack - that they pretty much concocted by themselves. The recent Wichita airport case comes to mind. They really seem to be crossing the "entrapment" line - not that judges have ever given much credence to that - and I'm skeptical it's really increasing our security.

let the record show KSUDub and steve dave are in full agreement here.  :cheers:

same :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.

I really, really find the "the genie's already out of the bottle" issue to be true.  The amount of guns in this country make comparisons to other countries completely apples and oranges.  That said, if we start getting serious about ammunition, then that is negated to some degree.

Maybe, but I don't think driving up the price of ammo, through taxation or regulation, would do anything except encourage a huge black market for ammo. Think Prohibition.

OK, using a "black market" boogeyman as an argument is ridiculous.  There's a pretty thriving black market for basically every sort of illegal drug, but that doesn't mean that we should leave heroin unchecked.

I'm actually pretty bullish on 2A rights, fwiw, but I also recognize that our first world super power of a nation has a bit of a problem with our disproportionate rate of gun violence, and that that's a problem worth trying to solve.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

I'm willing to compromise and I'm an NRA member/supporter.  So boom your theory is crap canned!

So what do you propose we do to reduce firearm deaths?

Bring in a bunch of Russian brides for these losers who feel the need shoot up people because they're too weird to have a real girl friend.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 08, 2015, 01:24:03 PM
that sounds an awful lot like not compromising, emo emaw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

OK, what do you want in exchange for mandatory education on firearm safety for everyone that buys a gun?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

good grief :flush:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 01:35:35 PM
Compromise!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:37:07 PM
My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

OK, what do you want in exchange for mandatory education on firearm safety for everyone that buys a gun?

A drastic expansion of the P-R Act to include damn near everything when it comes to outdoor gear.  Like, if you can buy it at REI, it should be included.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 08, 2015, 01:38:05 PM
please do not use acronyms ITT
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:38:56 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act)

strange, but ok deal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:39:46 PM
See guys this is easy!  :Woot: :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 01:42:18 PM
What's an rei
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
i will consider taking some small step to protect human life BUT ONLY if you tax backpacks, socks, and toe shoes and give the money to baby ducks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:46:53 PM
What's an rei

its where north face soft shells come from
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 01:47:50 PM
How much tax on tents would it take Emo to fully ban guns? I'd be willing to compromise here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:49:00 PM
i thought the training thing would be a no brainer, because it would also make the gun owners more efficient killers. everybody wins

its the implied registration that is a deal breaker for them
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
i thought the training thing would be a no brainer, because it would also make the gun owners more efficient killers. everybody wins

its the implied registration that is a deal breaker for them

You could just do it like a hunter's safety class.  As in to buy a guy you gotta take a class.  You get a card or are put in some database of having taken the class.  Boom now you can buy a gun.  No registration required.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
if you get a card are are in a database, thats registration, bud
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
i like where you are going with the REI thing though. libtard hippies enjoy the crap out of nature all the time while conservatroll sportsmen foot the bill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 01:53:42 PM
Start calling it a gun database, boom, compromise!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
if you get a card are are in a database, thats registration, bud

Well, cmon, it's not like they don't store the information when the background check is initiated today. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:54:42 PM
Start calling it a gun database, boom, compromise!

progress is this easy folks. WE should all be in congress.

AND  congress should be a message board.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
if you get a card are are in a database, thats registration, bud

Well, cmon, it's not like they don't store the information when the background check is initiated today.

of course they do, but there is no interconnectedness and many legal ways to get guns with no background checks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 01:58:13 PM
if you get a card are are in a database, thats registration, bud

Well, cmon, it's not like they don't store the information when the background check is initiated today.

of course they do, but there is no interconnectedness and many legal ways to get guns with no background checks

Ok, now you want to outlaw or force the background check on citizen to citizen sales.  I'm going to need something for that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 01:58:35 PM
I took a gun safety course with my dad so he could get a concealed permit (before brownbackistan decided that course was too much of a burden). It for sure should be mandatory for gun purchases.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 02:00:22 PM
Ok, now you want to outlaw or force the background check on citizen to citizen sales.  I'm going to need something for that.

OK, the training card will apply here too. What do you want?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 02:00:57 PM
Why are gun nuts so scared of background checks for private gun transfers?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
Ok, now you want to outlaw or force the background check on citizen to citizen sales.  I'm going to need something for that.

OK, the training card will apply here too. What do you want?

Honestly I'm still pretty buzzed about all the money from the last one.   :excited:

I'd would settle for some clarifying/stronger language in the 2nd amendment guaranteeing future rights. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
the 2nd definitely needs to be reworded to mean something meaningful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 02:09:37 PM
this compromise definitely depends on what you want it to say
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Why are gun nuts so scared of background checks for private gun transfers?

It's just a private property rights type thing, administrative hassle/burden.  It's pretty annoying, for example, going to Cabela's and taking over 2 hours to buy a hunting rifle.  Also there are a lot of people not open to compromise.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 02:11:21 PM
No compromise  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 02:11:36 PM
this compromise definitely depends on what you want it to say

Personally, I think it should be clear that one of the purposes for the people to "bear arms" is so that they might prevent, or fight, tyranny.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
are YOU ready to write a new 2nd RIGHT NOW?

you are on the clock.

2 mins.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
:runaway:

times up. the second amendment has been dragged 'n dropped into the recycle bin.

(a lot of people are very very angry at you)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
 :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.

I really, really find the "the genie's already out of the bottle" issue to be true.  The amount of guns in this country make comparisons to other countries completely apples and oranges.  That said, if we start getting serious about ammunition, then that is negated to some degree.

Maybe, but I don't think driving up the price of ammo, through taxation or regulation, would do anything except encourage a huge black market for ammo. Think Prohibition.

OK, using a "black market" boogeyman as an argument is ridiculous.  There's a pretty thriving black market for basically every sort of illegal drug, but that doesn't mean that we should leave heroin unchecked.

That's why I used the Prohibition analogy. Booze had been with us since the founding, was perfectly legal, and then was made illegal. Not so for heroin. Sure there's a black market for all sorts of illegal things, but a black market for things like booze or guns - which have been part of country's DNA since before its founding - would explode. Hell, guns are more firmly enshrined than booze - they have their own amendment. It just wouldn't work.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 08, 2015, 03:27:55 PM
actually a majority of the drugs that are currently illegal to possess were legal for a long time in this country. most were not prohibited until after the prohibition of alcohol.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
dangit, emo's seppuku was the perfect end to this thread. i was hoping for a lock.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 03:30:49 PM
Yeah heroin was completely legal and unregulated until the 20th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_drug_prohibition

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 08, 2015, 03:46:15 PM
So you guys are really comparing heroin to booze huh? That seems like a stretch....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 08, 2015, 03:54:33 PM
So you guys are really comparing heroin to booze huh? That seems like a stretch....

How many people have died in alcohol related deaths and how many in heroine related deaths?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 04:07:08 PM
So you guys are really comparing heroin to booze huh? That seems like a stretch....
You tried to contrast them but your facts were completely wrong.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 08, 2015, 04:10:16 PM
So you guys are really comparing heroin to booze huh? That seems like a stretch....

How many people have died in alcohol related deaths and how many in heroine related deaths?
A lot more alcohol related. A lot more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
Unforunately about 90 people died in car crashes today.  Many of them kids who had no choice. T's and P's to the families.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wELLsculptedbrows on October 08, 2015, 04:27:29 PM
dangit, emo's seppuku was the perfect end to this thread. i was hoping for a lock.

The animated gun violence was a pretty rich addition to this thread.

But, speaking of rich, I don't think he could have exited the thread without reminding everybody that he somehow finds a way to spend $12,000 a year on bird hunting. That's what the whole freeloading mountain bikers/birders/rock climbers/paddle boarders tangential diatribe was building up to, right? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 08, 2015, 04:30:53 PM
dangit, emo's seppuku was the perfect end to this thread. i was hoping for a lock.

The animated gun violence was a pretty rich addition to this thread.

But, speaking of rich, I don't think he could have exited the thread without reminding everybody that he somehow finds a way to spend $12,000 a year on bird hunting. That's what the whole freeloading mountain bikers/birders/rock climbers/paddle boarders tangential diatribe was building up to, right?

crap's changed, man.  Kids. 

Don't tell Mrs. Gooch.

(Actually though I'm kinda getting into new stuff these days.  I need to make a post in the vision quest thread.)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 08, 2015, 04:32:33 PM
A screaming kid scares away all the animals you are trying to kill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 08, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
Unforunately about 90 people died in car crashes today.  Many of them kids who had no choice. T's and P's to the families.

289 people were shot today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 04:38:11 PM
I hope emo doesn't leave his guns around for the kid to find and shoot other little kids with  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2015, 04:42:11 PM
Unforunately about 90 people died in car crashes today.  Many of them kids who had no choice. T's and P's to the families.

289 people were shot today.

Fortunately only 86 died.  Also a tragedy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 04:45:11 PM
I wonder how the death rates of people who were shot at compared to the death rates of people who rode in cars.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2015, 05:03:59 PM
Deaths per gun owned you mean?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
So you guys are really comparing heroin to booze huh? That seems like a stretch....
I used heroin as an example saying the potential existence of a black market for contraband is a silly reason, in and of itself, to keep something legal.  There are good reasons that people should be allowed to have guns.  "People will break the law if we make the the thing illegal" isn't one of them. 

Note: i'm not saying take all the guns.  i'm saying that some regulation on ammunition would be a good idea to curb the problem of so many damn bullets ending up in human bodies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 05:11:44 PM
Deaths per gun owned you mean?

no, just ones used. Like with cars.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 08, 2015, 05:20:48 PM
Deaths per gun owned you mean?

no, just ones used. Like with cars.
not every gun is used to shoot at people  :nono:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 05:21:43 PM
Deaths per gun owned you mean?

no, just ones used. Like with cars.
not every gun is used to shoot at people  :nono:

true! you bring up a great point!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: michigancat link=topic=25202.msg1446677#msg1446677

gun owners should cover the cost when they purchase a gun.

Just like people who choose to vote pay a poll tax to cover the costs of an election. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: michigancat link=topic=25202.msg1446677#msg1446677

gun owners should cover the cost when they purchase a gun.

Just like people who choose to vote pay a poll tax to cover the costs of an election.
Guns have never been free to citizens
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: michigancat link=topic=25202.msg1446677#msg1446677

gun owners should cover the cost when they purchase a gun.

Just like people who choose to vote pay a poll tax to cover the costs of an election.
Guns have never been free to citizens

 :lol: nice non sequitur

Wanna get exercise your right to a jury trial, better be willing to pay for the jury!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: michigancat link=topic=25202.msg1446677#msg1446677

gun owners should cover the cost when they purchase a gun.

Just like people who choose to vote pay a poll tax to cover the costs of an election.
Guns have never been free to citizens

  nice non sequitur

Wanna get exercise your right to a jury trial, better be willing to pay for the jury!
That's a more important right than owning a gun. So is voting. Gun ownership is a pretty silly right compared to these, really.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 10:05:37 PM
Well guns are right #2 and jury is, like, 6th, so your point is stupid even on that level
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
Well guns are right #2 and jury is, like, 6th, so your point is stupid even on that level
They ordered them wrong
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 10:07:17 PM
They were rough ridin' humans, they mumped up sometimes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 08, 2015, 10:08:15 PM
The second ammendment was a knee jerk reaction.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
Nothing is sillier than the collection of disinterested idiots forced against their will and well being to collectively rule on your livelihhod.

Take a day off and head down to county court on jury selection day. It will scare the ever living crap out of you. If you think guns are frightening , you'll probably have a nervous breakdown when you encounter the average juror.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 08, 2015, 11:12:14 PM
Nothing is sillier than the collection of disinterested idiots forced against their will and well being to collectively rule on your livelihhod.

Take a day off and head down to county court on jury selection day. It will scare the ever living crap out of you. If you think guns are frightening , you'll probably have a nervous breakdown when you encounter the average juror.

I agree, juries are full of morons. Jury trials are still probably less scary than the average juror owning a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 09, 2015, 06:15:11 AM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/56179244e4b0082030a1f581
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 07:23:37 AM
MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on October 09, 2015, 08:03:53 AM
Another day, another dollar
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
Another day, another dollar
More money, more murder
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 08:25:04 AM
A screaming kid scares away all the animals you are trying to kill.

It's going to take some practice.  Like anything worthwhile I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 09, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
This may be luked (I don't have time go look through this whole thread for it)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 08:43:02 AM
This may be luked (I don't have time go look through this whole thread for it)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title

There are some interesting statistics in there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 09, 2015, 08:43:38 AM
This may be luked (I don't have time go look through this whole thread for it)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title

What do you have going on that you're so busy?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 09:21:11 AM
This may be luked (I don't have time go look through this whole thread for it)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title

What do you have going on that you're so busy?

MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 09:24:53 AM
Anybody remember that thread I started a while back indexing all the areas where the Dems and GOP are hypocrites? Can't find that thread, and I don't remember if I had "gun control" on Dem list, so I'll just add it here...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/8/armed-guards-protect-senate-democrats-they-demand-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/8/armed-guards-protect-senate-democrats-they-demand-/)

If anybody can find that older thread tho, :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
Omg so hypocritical
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
i wonder if those armed guards have any special training/licensing or background checks to use those guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
i wonder if those armed guards have any special training/licensing or background checks to use those guns?

So if one had to undergo a training course, you'd be okay with them CCW on a college campus?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 09:34:49 AM
Probably
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 09:35:44 AM
i wonder if those armed guards have any special training/licensing or background checks to use those guns?

So if one had to undergo a training course, you'd be okay with them CCW on a college campus?

of course not, good grief.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 09:36:29 AM
i don't like seeing armed security guards or even armed police on my college campus
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 09:38:00 AM
armed police officers are supposed to protect me, but i want it harder for people to be able to purchase guns. does that make me a hypocrite? good grief.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 09:42:19 AM
Gun nuts:  "more guns on campus would have prevented or limited the effects of the Oregon campus shooting."

Hillary Clinton:  "lol no, it's illogical AND OFFENSIVE so suggest more guns would have made it any better."

Gun nuts:  "But you yourself have armed guards so you're a hypocrite."

mocat:  "welp see they got special training and crap so they are a positive and not a liability."

emo:  "ok well what if we train the folks that would be on the campus?"

mocat:  "heerrr derr burp fart"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2015, 09:43:24 AM
There were people concealed carrying on the Oregon campus and they didn't do anything to stop the shooting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 09:44:23 AM
I sure as crap wouldn't trust Barney Fife over here with my life.

(http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2015/10/08/AP_50902574040_c0-302-4350-2837_s561x327.jpg?bbc2a3b2d88e226d8650b60df982a8c7816c3279)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 09, 2015, 09:44:37 AM
guns are adult Pogs
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 09:47:49 AM
I think if you feel you need to carry a gun with you at all times you have a MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 09, 2015, 09:49:01 AM
guns are adult Pogs

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 09, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
I think if you feel you need to carry a gun with you at all times you have a MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM

I think there is validity to this in a lot of cases
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
There were people concealed carrying on the Oregon campus and they didn't do anything to stop the shooting.

Yup, they weren't permitted to do so. 

Anyway, I get it, even if they were permitted to do so, it's a risky proposition.  The cops could show up and kill everyone with a gun, good or bad.  A gun in the right hand two buildings over is no good.  But for example, that dude who was holding the door shut, had he had one I think it goes differently.  I mean in this case the guy is in a room, and is going one by one asking their religion, and then shooting them.  If any one of us were in that room, armed, it would have gone differently. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
I think if you feel you need to carry a gun with you at all times you have a MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM

I guess every cop in America has a mental health problem. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Why does anyone want to argue with someone who wants to fight so hard over their being able to kill? I mean, Emo likes killing things. Doesn't want to not be able to kill things. Things it is his God given right to be able to exact dominion over whatever he chooses should he choose too. Good grief, he's pretty much a poster boy for why we need less guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 09:58:03 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 09, 2015, 10:00:11 AM
This may be luked (I don't have time go look through this whole thread for it)

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title

What do you have going on that you're so busy?

MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM

Possibly
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 10:02:04 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.

Not really
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 10:08:57 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?

Define "completely."  Like, would I cease to eat pulled pork z-man's at Joe's KC? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 10:10:04 AM
There were people concealed carrying on the Oregon campus and they didn't do anything to stop the shooting.

I saw an interview of one guy who was concealed carrying, but he said he was on the other side of campus and he didn't even become aware of the shooting until after police had already responded.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/)

Quote
Parker’s interview revealed the practical difficulties of armed civilians trying to stop a mass shooting. By the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly retreated into the classroom.

Well, duh. ThinkProgress evidently believes this puts the "Good Guy With a Gun" argument to rest, but includes the quote above. That's a little confusing.

Were there people in the immediate vicinity with guns? Like, people who could have stopped the shooting before the police arrived?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2015, 10:10:41 AM
There were people concealed carrying on the Oregon campus and they didn't do anything to stop the shooting.

Yup, they weren't permitted to do so. 

Anyway, I get it, even if they were permitted to do so, it's a risky proposition.  The cops could show up and kill everyone with a gun, good or bad.  A gun in the right hand two buildings over is no good.  But for example, that dude who was holding the door shut, had he had one I think it goes differently.  I mean in this case the guy is in a room, and is going one by one asking their religion, and then shooting them.  If any one of us were in that room, armed, it would have gone differently.

How were they not permitted to do so?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?

Define "completely."  Like, would I cease to eat pulled pork z-man's at Joe's KC?
You said it is a right that is guaranteed by the constitution. That is why you support citizens owning guns of their choosing. So if it's only about that, would amending that amend your stance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2015, 10:12:27 AM
There were people concealed carrying on the Oregon campus and they didn't do anything to stop the shooting.

I saw an interview of one guy who was concealed carrying, but he said he was on the other side of campus and he didn't even become aware of the shooting until after police had already responded.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/)

Quote
Parker’s interview revealed the practical difficulties of armed civilians trying to stop a mass shooting. By the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly retreated into the classroom.

Well, duh. ThinkProgress evidently believes this puts the "Good Guy With a Gun" argument to rest, but includes the quote above. That's a little confusing.

Were there people in the immediate vicinity with guns? Like, people who could have stopped the shooting before the police arrived?

It puts the "only gun-free zones get targeted" argument to rest.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 10:15:12 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?

Define "completely."  Like, would I cease to eat pulled pork z-man's at Joe's KC?
You said it is a right that is guaranteed by the constitution. That is why you support citizens owning guns of their choosing. So if it's only about that, would amending that amend your stance.

In this scenario, what would be amended to say?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 10:23:55 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?

Define "completely."  Like, would I cease to eat pulled pork z-man's at Joe's KC?
You said it is a right that is guaranteed by the constitution. That is why you support citizens owning guns of their choosing. So if it's only about that, would amending that amend your stance.

In this scenario, what would be amended to say?
Let's say it was amended to say each citizen has the right to one rifle and one handgun. That's the best I could come up with while still staying true to defending against tyranny.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
There were people concealed carrying on the Oregon campus and they didn't do anything to stop the shooting.

I saw an interview of one guy who was concealed carrying, but he said he was on the other side of campus and he didn't even become aware of the shooting until after police had already responded.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/)

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Parker’s interview revealed the practical difficulties of armed civilians trying to stop a mass shooting. By the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly retreated into the classroom.

Well, duh. ThinkProgress evidently believes this puts the "Good Guy With a Gun" argument to rest, but includes the quote above. That's a little confusing.

Were there people in the immediate vicinity with guns? Like, people who could have stopped the shooting before the police arrived?

It puts the "only gun-free zones get targeted" argument to rest.

I don't think that anyone is arguing that "only" GFZ are targeted. That would be pretty stupid and demonstrably false. The argument is that GFZs are more vulnerable, both because (1) they don't have guns, and (2) they're more tempting to would-be mass murderers.

Also, about the Oregon CC being a GFZ, it effectively was a GFZ for purposes of this argument. The CC prohibited gun possession on campus - in direct contravention of Oregon law, but it prohibited it nonetheless - to the extent that their own friggin' security guard was unarmed. I'd call that a GFZ even if a few students (and props to them) understood that the school's ban violated the law and carried anyway.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/plan-for-armed-campus-security-guards-was-dismissed/ (http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/plan-for-armed-campus-security-guards-was-dismissed/)

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Joe Olson, who retired as president of Umpqua Community College at the end of June, said that within the past several months the college had discussed hiring an armed security guard but ultimately decided against it.
 
“We talked about that over the last year because we were concerned about safety on campus,” he said. “The campus was split 50-50. We thought we were a very safe campus, and having armed security officers on campus might change the culture.”

:facepalm: Yeah, you don't want armed security officers changing that "safe culture." JFC.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2015, 10:29:59 AM
i'd be ok with concealed carry on college campuses if there were background checks, training, etc.

that's a compromise folks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 10:34:24 AM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?

Define "completely."  Like, would I cease to eat pulled pork z-man's at Joe's KC?
You said it is a right that is guaranteed by the constitution. That is why you support citizens owning guns of their choosing. So if it's only about that, would amending that amend your stance.

In this scenario, what would be amended to say?
Let's say it was amended to say each citizen has the right to one rifle and one handgun. That's the best I could come up with while still staying true to defending against tyranny.

Well, I guess I wouldn't like it?  What's your point?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 10:37:13 AM
i'd be ok with concealed carry on college campuses if there were background checks, training, etc.

that's a compromise folks.

I probably would to. And without knowing what the current training entails now, I'd want it to be better.

I'd also be fine w/ unarmed security guards, too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 10:38:44 AM
Heck, I'd be fine with unarmed cops.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 10:41:42 AM
Heck, I'd be fine with unarmed cops.

Come on now, really? I'm pretty skeptical of police power, but even I don't expect them to walk around unarmed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on October 09, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
Neo Nazi campus patrols armed with tazers and 1 bullet guns.  That would keep rir raff off campus.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
Heck, I'd be fine with unarmed cops.

Come on now, really? I'm pretty skeptical of police power, but even I don't expect them to walk around unarmed.

With the correct training and community involvement it's totally attainable. It would definitely require a major shift in the mindset and expectations of what they're expected to do, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 10:54:26 AM
Heck, I'd be fine with unarmed cops.

Come on now, really? I'm pretty skeptical of police power, but even I don't expect them to walk around unarmed.

With the correct training and community involvement it's totally attainable. It would definitely require a major shift in the mindset and expectations of what they're expected to do, though.

Pffffttt... come on dude. Really.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 09, 2015, 10:55:16 AM
Heck, I'd be fine with unarmed cops.

Come on now, really? I'm pretty skeptical of police power, but even I don't expect them to walk around unarmed.

With the correct training and community involvement it's totally attainable. It would definitely require a major shift in the mindset and expectations of what they're expected to do, though.

I don't think it would be attainable with our current gun controls (and I don't think you are saying it would be either). but it does work well in some other countries. I've always said that ideally officers wouldn't carry guns except for special divisions. your every day traffic cop shouldn't have to have a gun imo. swat, etc. would still be armed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Gun nuts:  "more guns on campus would have prevented or limited the effects of the Oregon campus shooting."

Hillary Clinton:  "lol no, it's illogical AND OFFENSIVE so suggest more guns would have made it any better."

Gun nuts:  "But you yourself have armed guards so you're a hypocrite."

mocat:  "welp see they got special training and crap so they are a positive and not a liability."

emo:  "ok well what if we train the folks that would be on the campus?"

mocat:  "heerrr derr burp fart"

it's their motherfucking job to carry and use guns to protect people you rough ridin' dunce. if a rough ridin' community college student is packing heat he/she is a liability more than a help (and i would listen to the same argument regarding cops who carry guns).

how in the world can you not see the difference? you are so rough ridin' obtuse it makes me want to throw up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 10:58:10 AM
Heck, I'd be fine with unarmed cops.

Come on now, really? I'm pretty skeptical of police power, but even I don't expect them to walk around unarmed.

With the correct training and community involvement it's totally attainable. It would definitely require a major shift in the mindset and expectations of what they're expected to do, though.

I don't think it would be attainable with our current gun controls (and I don't think you are saying it would be either). but it does work well in some other countries. I've always said that ideally officers wouldn't carry guns except for special divisions. your every day traffic cop shouldn't have to have a gun imo. swat, etc. would still be armed.

I agree with all of this. (although I think you could perhaps do the divisions thing with current gun laws).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
emo do you want everyday people to be carrying a gun at all times, or are you suggesting everybody should have armed guards with them at all times? isn't it easier to you know, do what other countries do, and virtually eliminate mass murders?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2015, 11:02:14 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 11:06:41 AM
Gun nuts:  "more guns on campus would have prevented or limited the effects of the Oregon campus shooting."

Hillary Clinton:  "lol no, it's illogical AND OFFENSIVE so suggest more guns would have made it any better."

Gun nuts:  "But you yourself have armed guards so you're a hypocrite."

mocat:  "welp see they got special training and crap so they are a positive and not a liability."

emo:  "ok well what if we train the folks that would be on the campus?"

mocat:  "heerrr derr burp fart"

it's their motherfucking job to carry and use guns to protect people you rough ridin' dunce. if a rough ridin' community college student is packing heat he/she is a liability more than a help (and i would listen to the same argument regarding cops who carry guns).

how in the world can you not see the difference? you are so rough ridin' obtuse it makes me want to throw up

If they underwent the same training, what's the difference?  If someone is shooting up my classroom, I don't care if the guy saving me is being paid to protect me or not. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:07:34 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:08:43 AM
Gun nuts:  "more guns on campus would have prevented or limited the effects of the Oregon campus shooting."

Hillary Clinton:  "lol no, it's illogical AND OFFENSIVE so suggest more guns would have made it any better."

Gun nuts:  "But you yourself have armed guards so you're a hypocrite."

mocat:  "welp see they got special training and crap so they are a positive and not a liability."

emo:  "ok well what if we train the folks that would be on the campus?"

mocat:  "heerrr derr burp fart"

it's their motherfucking job to carry and use guns to protect people you rough ridin' dunce. if a rough ridin' community college student is packing heat he/she is a liability more than a help (and i would listen to the same argument regarding cops who carry guns).

how in the world can you not see the difference? you are so rough ridin' obtuse it makes me want to throw up

If they underwent the same training, what's the difference?  If someone is shooting up my classroom, I don't care if the guy saving me is being paid to protect me or not. 

i'd just rather prevent mass murders than make them gunfights between insane people and other insane people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:10:43 AM
emo you ask the difference between someone who is on the clock doing their job scanning for threats or whatever, and someone who has taken a gun safety class. i mean. come on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 11:11:57 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

So are you saying that the more "important" you become, the more worthy you are of armed protection? On behalf of all the 99.99% of unimportant people out there, I sincerely say "eff off." (In the nicest possible way.) Even unimportant people are worthy of armed protection if they want it, and sometimes need it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2015, 11:12:40 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).
No doubt politicians and celebrities are high profile figures and probably disprortionately have attempts made on their lives.

But are you saying that one's access to guns should depend upon how likely they are to be shot?  Because, practically, that sounds really stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:13:11 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

So are you saying that the more "important" you become, the more worthy you are of armed protection? On behalf of all the 99.99% of unimportant people out there, I sincerely say "eff off." (In the nicest possible way.) Even unimportant people are worthy of armed protection if they want it, and sometimes need it.

if you want to hire someone to protect you, you totally can. if you think a random dude with CC is the same thing, you are insane.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

So are you saying that the more "important" you become, the more worthy you are of armed protection? On behalf of all the 99.99% of unimportant people out there, I sincerely say "eff off." (In the nicest possible way.) Even unimportant people are worthy of armed protection if they want it, and sometimes need it.

if you want to hire someone to protect you, you totally can. if you think a random dude with CC is the same thing, you are insane.
i guess i'm not sure of the practical distinction between me (after undergoing the requisite training) owning a judge, and roger, my armed security detail, owning a judge.

is roger allowed to protect himself, or does he need to hire someone else to protect him?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
They should make the capitol building a gun free zone
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:14:41 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).
No doubt politicians and celebrities are high profile figures and probably disprortionately have attempts made on their lives.

But are you saying that one's access to guns should depend upon how likely they are to be shot?  Because, practically, that sounds really stupid.

of course not. if you feel you have a disproportionately large likelihood of an attempt on your life, you should hire a bodyguard whose job is to be a bodyguard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

So are you saying that the more "important" you become, the more worthy you are of armed protection? On behalf of all the 99.99% of unimportant people out there, I sincerely say "eff off." (In the nicest possible way.) Even unimportant people are worthy of armed protection if they want it, and sometimes need it.

if you want to hire someone to protect you, you totally can. if you think a random dude with CC is the same thing, you are insane.

So it's Ok to hire someone else to protect you (if you've got that kind of money), but it's not Ok to carry a gun for your own protection?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 11:16:09 AM
emo do you want everyday people to be carrying a gun at all times, or are you suggesting everybody should have armed guards with them at all times? isn't it easier to you know, do what other countries do, and virtually eliminate mass murders?

It doesn't matter what I want.  Also, I don't think doing what other countries do is feasible or even possible, or legal for that matter.

I do think that there is something that can be done...I don't think we are at our best possible state currently.  I do think there ought to be temporary limitations on rights based on the current mental state of someone.  But I think we have to be very careful how that is handled. 

I also think this issue, while prominently displayed on the cover of every newspaper, is a minor issue when you look at the numbers, compared to some other things. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
the guy who is getting paid to do nothing other than protect you (rather than, like, taking notes in a class, watching the dark knight, teaching algebra, for example) can have a gun.

also, my goodness, i am not even arguing against CC. i just want it to be more difficult to purchase a gun than it currently is. FFS everybody
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:17:47 AM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

So are you saying that the more "important" you become, the more worthy you are of armed protection? On behalf of all the 99.99% of unimportant people out there, I sincerely say "eff off." (In the nicest possible way.) Even unimportant people are worthy of armed protection if they want it, and sometimes need it.

if you want to hire someone to protect you, you totally can. if you think a random dude with CC is the same thing, you are insane.

So it's Ok to hire someone else to protect you (if you've got that kind of money), but it's not Ok to carry a gun for your own protection?
 

where did i ever say that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:19:05 AM
the "more guns would be safer" crowd just really bothers me to no end.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:20:01 AM
more guns = more gun deaths
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 09, 2015, 11:20:16 AM
fewer guns = fewer gun deaths
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
more guns = more gun deaths

thats typically true of anything that kills people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2015, 11:22:50 AM
i think we're generally on the same side here mocat, but i'm just saying that emo makes an interesting point about how  politicians that decry the evil of guns while being protected by armed guards are a little inconsistent.


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it's okay for ME to have access to gun protection, but that's because i'm famous and responsible and wealthy.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
Well, I don't carry a gun, haven't ever, don't even own a semi-automatic pistol.  I just think that if someone wants to then that is their right, guaranteed by the Constitution.
So if the constitution was amended, you would completely flip your stance?

Define "completely."  Like, would I cease to eat pulled pork z-man's at Joe's KC?
You said it is a right that is guaranteed by the constitution. That is why you support citizens owning guns of their choosing. So if it's only about that, would amending that amend your stance.

In this scenario, what would be amended to say?
Let's say it was amended to say each citizen has the right to one rifle and one handgun. That's the best I could come up with while still staying true to defending against tyranny.

Well, I guess I wouldn't like it?  What's your point?
Trying to make the debate more fun for me. It failed. I'll bow out now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
the guy who is getting paid to do nothing other than protect you (rather than, like, taking notes in a class, watching the dark knight, teaching algebra, for example) can have a gun.

also, my goodness, i am not even arguing against CC. i just want it to be more difficult to purchase a gun than it currently is. FFS everybody

Ok, so make things more difficult, and some responsible and suitably trained person makes it through all the hoops and traps and manages to finally buy one.  And now he can't take it with him to defend himself?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 12:22:24 PM
the "more guns would be safer" crowd just really bothers me to no end.
They make me want to own a gun honestly. It's a weird thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
the "more guns would be safer" crowd just really bothers me to no end.
They make me want to own a gun honestly. It's a weird thing.

Would not recommend.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2015, 12:31:03 PM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

You've reached a logical deadend you don't like, just like michigancat did with the charging people to exercise their rights remark. You should now understand why you are wrong and why you've lost.

This means you haven't fully thought the issue through, either because of laziness or lack of cognitive ability.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2015, 12:33:18 PM
fsd and i make a rad duo.  we should get a reality show.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

You've reached a logical deadend you don't like, just like michigancat did with the charging people to exercise their rights remark. You should now understand why you are wrong and why you've lost.

This means you haven't fully thought the issue through, either because of laziness or lack of cognitive ability.

It's because the logic does not reach a conclusion in line with feelings caused by emotions not tied to facts.  It's not uncommon.  Lots of people feel strongly about something from an emotional standpoint, and then try to put together some logic to justify it. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
Like ksuw in the abortion thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2015, 12:41:14 PM
i don't think emo's point is crazy fwiw.  it's not really fair for politicians to protect themselves with armed guards and then tell the general public that they don't have a right to the same protection.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and so forth.

i think that is a ridiculous comparison. every celebrity / politician is under a threat that most people are not. for example, four sitting presidents have been assassinated, at least 20 attempts have been made, and every single president has received death threats (real or not).

You've reached a logical deadend you don't like, just like michigancat did with the charging people to exercise their rights remark. You should now understand why you are wrong and why you've lost.

This means you haven't fully thought the issue through, either because of laziness or lack of cognitive ability.

It's because the logic does not reach a conclusion in line with feelings caused by emotions not tied to facts.  It's not uncommon.  Lots of people feel strongly about something from an emotional standpoint, and then try to put together some logic to justify it.

We should encourage them to think harder. Make the pit less pit-y
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
as long as police have guns, citizens should have guns.  you want to compromise, disarm the cops and we've got a deal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
as long as police have guns, citizens should have guns.  you want to compromise, disarm the cops and we've got a deal.

Uh no we still need guns to go hunting bro.  Many states have a right to hunt amendment on the books. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
as long as police have guns, citizens should have guns.  you want to compromise, disarm the cops and we've got a deal.

Uh no we still need guns to go hunting bro.  Many states have a right to hunt amendment on the books.

on principle, i probably couldn't agree to it.  but as a practical matter, i'd definitely make the deal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
No one needs to go hunting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 12:55:43 PM
No one needs to go hunting.

There are absolutely some people that need to go hunting. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 12:56:47 PM
No one needs to go hunting.

There are absolutely some people that need to go hunting. 

Who?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 09, 2015, 12:57:33 PM
must hunt with guns, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
must hunt with guns, right?

it's a lot easier.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 12:59:08 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:01:19 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 01:02:51 PM
Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

that really depends a great deal on how you hunt.  when i used to hunt frequently, my hunted meat was pretty close to free.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:03:46 PM
No one needs to go hunting.

There are absolutely some people that need to go hunting. 

Who?

Like a specific name?  Chip Hailstone needs to go hunting. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
If Emo couldn't kill animals he'd likely turn to killing humans to satisfy his bloodlust
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:06:31 PM
Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

that really depends a great deal on how you hunt.  when i used to hunt frequently, my hunted meat was pretty close to free.

Oh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:07:31 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 09, 2015, 01:08:25 PM
Yes, one would definitely have to factor ease of access to huntable lands/fishable waters, distance from home, financial components of gun purchase/maintenance/ammo/fishing supplies, fossil fuels expanded, licensing expenditures etc. etc.   Only under certain circumstances could I see hunting/fishing being a viable and economical model for subsistence relative to the availability of food as it relates to modern society in the year of our Flying Spaghetti Monster 2015.

It's probably just more an excuse to get out of the house.   One could reasonably discuss the potential health benefits of a hunting/fishing based diet if cooking methodologies are included.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

one of the guys lives in a mostly rural area and shoots a ridiculous amount of deer right out of his back acreage.  It's basically just the cost of his time and a couple bullets or arrows. 

His property, he doesn't tag most of them(illegal, i know), and he cleans/butchers them himself. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:10:39 PM
If Emo couldn't kill animals he'd likely turn to killing humans to satisfy his bloodlust

Nope I'm pro-life brah.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 01:12:22 PM
If Emo couldn't kill animals he'd likely turn to killing humans to satisfy his bloodlust

Nope I'm pro-life brah.

Let's see how long that lasts if you weren't able to mutilate animals
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:12:42 PM
Yes, one would definitely have to factor ease of access to huntable lands/fishable waters, distance from home, financial components of gun purchase/maintenance/ammo/fishing supplies, fossil fuels expanded, licensing expenditures etc. etc.   Only under certain circumstances could I see hunting/fishing being a viable and economical model for subsistence relative to the availability of food as it relates to modern society in the year of our Flying Spaghetti Monster 2015.

It's probably just more an excuse to get out of the house.   One could reasonably discuss the potential health benefits of a hunting/fishing based diet if cooking methodologies are included.

for what I would guess is a large majority of hunters, this is totally true.  Hunting is pretty damn expensive if you don't own and live on the land you hunt.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 01:13:46 PM
What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:15:15 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:16:31 PM
What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

Situational. 

Some hunting takes place over larger distances and with animals that ppl would rarely be able to get an archery shot at.  Also, some bird hunting would be all but impossible with a bow, such as quail and pheasant.

Bow hunting is also a separate season in most cases, in KS anyway, and hunters treat it almost as a separate sport.  Many go bow hunting in Oct, then riffle hunting in Dec, for example. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:16:45 PM
What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

Nothing, that's what I'm doing now.  It's generally more difficult.  Also, with just archery, F&G departments would be hard pressed to meet their management objectives for many game species.  Would lead to increase of landowner issues, car wrecks, disease that can be transferable to livestock, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

it's much harder (super hard for flying birds).  also not everyone prefers for the animals they kill to run around in pain for a half or so as they slowly bleed to death.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 01:17:17 PM
What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?
Requires more skill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on October 09, 2015, 01:17:49 PM
What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?
Requires more skill.
Well I guess not. Can just spotlight the deer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:18:26 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Like ksuw in the abortion thread

Don't make me get out the scorecard, son.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 01:19:18 PM
Like ksuw in the abortion thread

Don't make me get out the scorecard, son.

, son.

:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 01:19:32 PM
It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:20:17 PM
oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.

Easier in most cases for sure.  The gun also makes it possible and safer in other cases.  Again, I certainly wouldn't want ppl launching arrows up in the air at flying quail.  God knows where they would fall and who it would hurt.  Where a shotgun blast has a surprisingly short range to the point where you can easily understand what you can effect by shooting one at a bird.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:22:58 PM
It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

Agreed.  But if you are out of state, it's problematic.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 01:23:14 PM
oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.

Easier in most cases for sure.  The gun also makes it possible and safer in other cases.  Again, I certainly wouldn't want ppl launching arrows up in the air at flying quail.  God knows where they would fall and who it would hurt.  Where a shotgun blast has a surprisingly short range to the point where you can easily understand what you can effect by shooting one at a bird.



the arrows would probably fall in a pasture
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:23:41 PM
It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

So lets let'sI butcher this thing myself and don't consider any of the time spent doing it as a cost where do I shoot one at?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 09, 2015, 01:25:48 PM
It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

So lets let'sI butcher this thing myself and don't consider any of the time spent doing it as a cost where do I shoot one at?

Rocky Mt National Forrest is the closest and best bet.  They have a small amt on Ft Riley, but it is a lottery to get a tag and tag numbers are super low. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:28:06 PM
It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

So lets let'sI butcher this thing myself and don't consider any of the time spent doing it as a cost where do I shoot one at?

Average non-resident tags are ~$500, unfortunately.  The Colorado over-the-counter success rate is about 12% for a $616 tag cost.  So if you think about it an elk is worth over $5000 to the state of Colorado.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?

Access to an SUV would be better.  You'll need at least one 130 quart cooler to get it home, and honestly you'd rather have two coolers to keep the ice/meat ratio better. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 01:34:55 PM
if you're going to another state to hunt, you aren't a cost-conscious hunter.  if you live in kansas, and want cheap wild large mammal meat, you're going to have eat whitetail, not elk.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 09, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
or pig, i guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2015, 01:37:21 PM
oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.

Lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?

Access to an SUV would be better.  You'll need at least one 130 quart cooler to get it home, and honestly you'd rather have two coolers to keep the ice/meat ratio better. 

Sounds expensive, but I guess maybe a handful of the 300+ million people in this country could maybe break even hunting an elk. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 09, 2015, 01:41:45 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?

Access to an SUV would be better.  You'll need at least one 130 quart cooler to get it home, and honestly you'd rather have two coolers to keep the ice/meat ratio better. 

Sounds expensive, but I guess maybe a handful of the 300+ million people in this country could maybe break even hunting an elk.

Keep in mind there are people who make a living doing this.  There is a hunting ranch in Colorado on the market for about $70MM $32.5MM.  In that sense, some people need to hunt to make a living.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 09, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?

Access to an SUV would be better.  You'll need at least one 130 quart cooler to get it home, and honestly you'd rather have two coolers to keep the ice/meat ratio better. 

Sounds expensive, but I guess maybe a handful of the 300+ million people in this country could maybe break even hunting an elk.

Keep in mind there are people who make a living doing this.  There is a hunting ranch in Colorado on the market for about $70MM $32.5MM.  In that sense, some people need to hunt to make a living.

That is quite the pickle
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 09, 2015, 09:33:04 PM
http://youtu.be/7OZIOE6aMBk
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 14, 2015, 08:35:56 AM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on October 14, 2015, 10:21:36 AM

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:lol:


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Food is then free.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 14, 2015, 02:14:41 PM
free'ish
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2015, 02:24:24 PM
free'ish

The recipient isn't paying for it.

Not a huge part of this debate IMO but the "my family would starve if I didn't have a gun to hunt" person is a liar
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 14, 2015, 02:29:31 PM
free'ish

The recipient isn't paying for it.

Not a huge part of this debate IMO but the "my family would starve if I didn't have a gun to hunt" person is a liar

Agreed.  That's not who this guy is.  He and his fam like the sport and the food. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2015, 02:46:49 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 14, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

Go buy more guns.  Duh.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

the government doesn't want a single thing you have.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Full steam ahead puni
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

the government doesn't want a single thing you have.

IRS shill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 02:51:23 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I would do the same thing I do now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2015, 02:54:26 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I would do the same thing I do now.
would you support a tax the rich, big social safety net, universal healthcare candidate if that candidate was also a champion of individual gun rights? (and the repeal obamacare, end welfare, pay the rich conservative wanted to ban guns)?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2015, 02:55:28 PM
*i know its all about the baby ducks for our guy emo

*think kazdub would be for banning guns because his number one is 'bort's
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 14, 2015, 02:56:16 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

Vote democrat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I would do the same thing I do now.
would you support a tax the rich, big social safety net, universal healthcare candidate if that candidate was also a champion of individual gun rights? (and the repeal obamacare, end welfare, pay the rich conservative wanted to ban guns)?

Candidate for which office?  And what are the other options for this office?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I would do the same thing I do now.
would you support a tax the rich, big social safety net, universal healthcare candidate if that candidate was also a champion of individual gun rights? (and the repeal obamacare, end welfare, pay the rich conservative wanted to ban guns)?

Candidate for which office?  And what are the other options for this office?

every office! those are only choices! its a thought experiment, guy!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 14, 2015, 03:00:28 PM
Puni just enlightened me with that thought experiment.  Turns out I don't really give a crap about guns either way.  Tax'em.  Leave'em.  Take'em.  I don't really care either way. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 03:01:59 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I would do the same thing I do now.
would you support a tax the rich, big social safety net, universal healthcare candidate if that candidate was also a champion of individual gun rights? (and the repeal obamacare, end welfare, pay the rich conservative wanted to ban guns)?

Candidate for which office?  And what are the other options for this office?

every office! those are only choices! its a thought experiment, guy!

What's the hypothesis of your thought experiment?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2015, 03:04:18 PM
the hypothesis is that a percentage of reds would go blue if blue was guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2015, 03:05:09 PM
Only gun nuts like emo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
the hypothesis is that a percentage of reds would go blue if blue was guns

It might be that a percentage of reds would go blue if blue were the gun party. If so, then some gun reds would admit that to me in this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 14, 2015, 03:06:48 PM
Single issue voters.

I don't think most reds are single issue voters.  I think most would still be reds due to immigration, welfare, and abortion.  Most hardcore gun ppl I know seem to care a bunch about that stuff too.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2015, 03:09:22 PM
The closest I come to single issue voter is universal healthcare I think
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
I don't think anybody votes for anyone and believes 100% the same things that that candidate believes.  For example in the past I have supported candidates that probably didn't support gay marriage.  My parents voted for opposing candidates in the last presidential election, yet I think without a doubt one of them would have been better off for both of them. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 14, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I'd be very confused. I'd be like "why are the Democrats all for freedom when it comes to drugs, guns, and killing babies, but nothing else?"

Currently, I'm like "why are the Democrats all for freedom when it comes to drugs and killing babies, but nothing else?"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 14, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
The closest I come to single issue voter is universal healthcare I think

We've already got it! Feel better now?

EDIT: Oh wait, I think I know where you're going with this... you want Universal Free (b/c It's Paid for By Somebody Else) Healthcare. We don't have that yet. Sorry to get your hopes up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
The closest I come to single issue voter is universal healthcare I think

We've already got it! Feel better now?

EDIT: Oh wait, I think I know where you're going with this... you want Universal Free (b/c It's Paid for By Somebody Else) Healthcare. We don't have that yet. Sorry to get your hopes up.

No
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 14, 2015, 03:43:31 PM
If you only eat organic food and do yoga you won't ever have the need for traditional healthcare anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 15, 2015, 09:01:53 AM
guns don't kill people, toddlers do

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?tid=pm_business_pop_b

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-1.png&w=1484)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 09:12:24 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 09:15:10 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 09:16:12 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
If a mentally ill toddler wants to kill someone, they will find a way, taking away guns won't solve that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 09:26:13 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

Lots of people smoke pot, even though it's a crime.  Think we should have stricter punishment for it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 10:09:06 AM
probably doesnt matter though, would criminal charges really make like any worse when your kid accidentally shoots itself to death?

maybe where your kids accidentally kills someone elses kid it would help
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 10:15:27 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

Not sure that parental negligence is a reason for banning something. How many kids drowned in swimming pools this last year? Or from drinking cleaning products? Should we ban those things, too?

I'm also reminded of the Wichita foster couple that left their toddler to bake in the car while they were busy getting baked on pot inside. We should have a federal law making pot illegal (oh wait, we do).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 10:16:01 AM
jesus christ your brain is practically useless
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 10:21:59 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

I wonder if the rate that this kind of things happens is different in states where there is a law on the books versus the states where there is not a law on the books.  Would make good evidence if someone cared enough to dig into it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 15, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

I wonder if the rate that this kind of things happens is different in states where there is a law on the books versus the states where there is not a law on the books.  Would make good evidence if someone cared enough to dig into it.

dig away

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-22.png&w=1484)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 10:26:32 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

I wonder if the rate that this kind of things happens is different in states where there is a law on the books versus the states where there is not a law on the books.  Would make good evidence if someone cared enough to dig into it.

dig away

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-22.png&w=1484)

I don't actually care enough though.  Figured CNS or puni might.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 10:26:54 AM
Wonkblog  :love:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 10:34:21 AM
texas has a law, lousiana doesnt. jfc missouri needs to be excommunicated.

again, death of a child is probably the worst possible punishment so im guessing the laws have little effect.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

Lots of people smoke pot, even though it's a crime.  Think we should have stricter punishment for it?

Not comparable.  Silly to try. 

If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 10:42:38 AM
update: missouri has no law. its just an accident. nothing anybody could have done. when its your time, its your time
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 11:05:02 AM
Are pools specifically designed to kill?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 11:12:56 AM
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 15, 2015, 11:20:51 AM
Ksudub can you provide actual reasoning as to why you're against strict prosecution of people who allow toddlers access to guns that are then used to kill themselves or others? I mean, reasoning that isn't repeated straw men?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:31:56 AM
Are pools specifically designed to kill?

No. But I would say that guns are more necessary than swimming pools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:34:31 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?

I don't think that's quite the right question. The correct question is, "is there a difference between leaving a toddler unattended with a gun on a coffee table and leaving a toddler unattended by a pool?" The answer is no.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 11:35:16 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

agreed on quantity.  I wasn't approaching this as a cure all.  Simply that those who have this happen to their kids should be locked the eff up for a long time.

The problem with better safes and locks is that the existing gun culture doesn't just feel like they need all the guns they want, but they need immediate access to them.

A family member recently bought a pistol for home protection.  She hired a retired cop to train her on the gun.  The guy actually told her to keep it loaded and to keep it in a readily available drawer near the bed.  He said that if she has to wake up and mess with a lock or safe, she might as well not even have a gun.

I mean, if the pros are teaching that, the safe/lock ppl have no hope, imo.  The gun ppl are too stricken with extreme fear and paranoia.  Also, safeties are for pussies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:35:37 AM
Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

Lots of people smoke pot, even though it's a crime.  Think we should have stricter punishment for it?

Not comparable.  Silly to try. 

If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Do you think I'm advocating letting toddlers play with guns?

Anyway, I agree that people should be punished for this.  I'm pretty appaled there aren't child endangerment laws or whatever in some states.  Seems like something that should be tackled at the state level.  Not that I believe it will change the behavior of stupid people.  Stupid people do stupid things because stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:35:46 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

They already do. Huge market for gun safety devices.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?

I don't think that's quite the right question. The correct question is, "is there a difference between leaving a toddler unattended with a gun on a coffee table and leaving a toddler unattended by a pool?" The answer is no.

That is only the right question if you are trying to troll and really pit it up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
Ksudub can you provide actual reasoning as to why you're against strict prosecution of people who allow toddlers access to guns that are then used to kill themselves or others? I mean, reasoning that isn't repeated straw men?

I think you missed the part where I said I'd be in favor of this. I was simply pointing out that accidental toddler shootings is not a reason to further restrict guns. I believe that freedom requires accountability for that freedom, so I absolutely believe in prosecuting negligent parents.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:36:53 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

Every gun I have ever bought came from the factory with a trigger lock, for free.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?

I don't think that's quite the right question. The correct question is, "is there a difference between leaving a toddler unattended with a gun on a coffee table and leaving a toddler unattended by a pool?" The answer is no.

That is only the right question if you are trying to troll and really pit it up.

No, it's the right question because it's the correct comparison.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2015, 11:38:05 AM
I mean, if the pros are teaching that, the safe/lock ppl have no hope, imo.  The gun ppl are too stricken with extreme fear and paranoia.  Also, safeties are for pussies.

If I were into guns, I would seriously design something like a fingerprint access lock that can be unlocked by the correct owner in seconds.

But I mean LOL at thinking a loaded gun on your nightstand will save you from an intruder waking you up in the bedroom. Cops are such idiots.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:38:39 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?

I don't think that's quite the right question. The correct question is, "is there a difference between leaving a toddler unattended with a gun on a coffee table and leaving a toddler unattended by a pool?" The answer is no.

That is only the right question if you are trying to troll and really pit it up.

It's absolutely a valid question.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
I mean, if the pros are teaching that, the safe/lock ppl have no hope, imo.  The gun ppl are too stricken with extreme fear and paranoia.  Also, safeties are for pussies.

If I were into guns, I would seriously design something like a fingerprint access lock that can be unlocked by the correct owner in seconds.

But I mean LOL at thinking a loaded gun on your nightstand will save you from an intruder waking you up in the bedroom. Cops are such idiots.

They already have those.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:39:44 AM
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

I do. And before I do, I have a very specific conversation with them about this very topic (yes, I really do). "What do you do if you see a gun? But what if your friend says it's ok because it isn't loaded?" Etc. My kids get annoyed with that conversation. I have it every time they go to a new kid's house.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2015, 11:39:52 AM
I agree pools are probably more dangerous and more necessary than a guns (although neither are really necessary) but it would be more difficult for a toddler to kill another toddler or multiple toddlers with access to a pool than it would for them with access to a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2015, 11:40:57 AM
I mean, if the pros are teaching that, the safe/lock ppl have no hope, imo.  The gun ppl are too stricken with extreme fear and paranoia.  Also, safeties are for pussies.

If I were into guns, I would seriously design something like a fingerprint access lock that can be unlocked by the correct owner in seconds.

But I mean LOL at thinking a loaded gun on your nightstand will save you from an intruder waking you up in the bedroom. Cops are such idiots.

They already have those.

too expensive
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 11:41:32 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

Every gun I have ever bought came from the factory with a trigger lock, for free.

That is great and the right thing to do.  Side note:  I have guns and hunt with a pretty large party of ppl, most of whom have a lot more guns than I do and bring them when we go hunting to show them off and play with them, even if the particular hunting season doesn't call for it.  I have personally never encountered a trigger lock outside of a place that sells guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2015, 11:41:38 AM
and why are gun locks so rarely used? I mean, I know it's because of paranoia, but still.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
Another example of why states can't be trusted to govern themselves
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:44:15 AM
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

It's okay to have a conversation with the people whom you are entrusting with your child about the safety of your child. 

My friend's FIL is a real herp derp kinda gun guy, the kind of guy you all are scared to death of.  My friend told him he won't bring his son to visit unless everything is locked up or on his person.  And you know what?  He happily agreed and compiled. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
and why are gun locks so rarely used? I mean, I know it's because of paranoia, but still.

It's because they are perceived as being a pain in the ass.  They really aren't though. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:47:11 AM
I agree pools are probably more dangerous and more necessary than a guns (although neither are really necessary) but it would be more difficult for a toddler to kill another toddler or multiple toddlers with access to a pool than it would for them with access to a gun.

When's the last time a toddler accidentally killed "multiple" people with a gun? Either the toddler kills him/herself or somebody else. Either way, it's one horrible tragedy, just like a drowning. And I think that guns are more necessary than swimming pools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2015, 11:49:42 AM
I agree pools are probably more dangerous and more necessary than a guns (although neither are really necessary) but it would be more difficult for a toddler to kill another toddler or multiple toddlers with access to a pool than it would for them with access to a gun.

When's the last time a toddler accidentally killed "multiple" people with a gun? Either the toddler kills him/herself or somebody else. Either way, it's one horrible tragedy, just like a drowning. And I think that guns are more necessary than swimming pools.

yeah I guess toddlers can really usually only manage to get one shot off. Great point!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 11:50:52 AM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

Every gun I have ever bought came from the factory with a trigger lock, for free.

That is great and the right thing to do.  Side note:  I have guns and hunt with a pretty large party of ppl, most of whom have a lot more guns than I do and bring them when we go hunting to show them off and play with them, even if the particular hunting season doesn't call for it.  I have personally never encountered a trigger lock outside of a place that sells guns.

Do you use them?

These times you've gone hunting with these folks, were there kids around unattended who had acces to these guns?

I haven't used them because they'd be redundant.  But crap's changing with Baby Emo in the house now.  Not that I'll use trigger locks, but we're redoing our basement and I got $2k into the budget for safety stuffs. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 15, 2015, 11:52:10 AM
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

the government doesn't want a single thing you have.

IRS shill.

they don't need guns to tax you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 11:59:03 AM
I've never seen a trigger lock in use. My friends who have guns keep the rifles in a large gun safe in the basement, and the handgun in a small fingerprint / combo gun safe on a high shelf in the closet. That seems plenty safe to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 15, 2015, 12:07:59 PM
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html (http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html)

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

Every gun I have ever bought came from the factory with a trigger lock, for free.

That is great and the right thing to do.  Side note:  I have guns and hunt with a pretty large party of ppl, most of whom have a lot more guns than I do and bring them when we go hunting to show them off and play with them, even if the particular hunting season doesn't call for it.  I have personally never encountered a trigger lock outside of a place that sells guns.

Do you use them?

These times you've gone hunting with these folks, were there kids around unattended who had acces to these guns?

I haven't used them because they'd be redundant.  But crap's changing with Baby Emo in the house now.  Not that I'll use trigger locks, but we're redoing our basement and I got $2k into the budget for safety stuffs.

I don't.  I keep my guns at my house and my ammo at my dad's house.  So, my kids would have to come up with ammo to do anything other than drop my shotgun on their toe.

As for the others, no, we never have young kids around, but they aren't bringing loose guns either.  I mean, they pull them out of the same cases they keep them in at home.  None of them have gun safes.  In fact, the only person I know that does is one of my employees who deals in antique guns. Gun safes are really expensive unless you are talking about single pistols.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 15, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
I've never seen a trigger lock in use. My friends who have guns keep the rifles in a large gun safe in the basement, and the handgun in a small fingerprint / combo gun safe on a high shelf in the closet. That seems plenty safe to me.

Might as well not even have one
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 12:11:57 PM
Safes are expensive.  But not compred to like redoing a basement.  Well, it's easy to sneak $2k in the budget for something like that when the finance/accounting department is busy picking out appliances and hardwood floors.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 12:17:38 PM
You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 15, 2015, 12:29:35 PM
You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection

You should really be making a backup copy of all your DVDs, anyway. I have zero sympathy if you don't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 12:32:18 PM
Victim blaming, typical
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 15, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection
Please don't get your shower rum and your shower gun mixed up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 12:48:45 PM
What a callback  :surprised:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 15, 2015, 12:49:19 PM
:gocho:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on October 15, 2015, 12:59:12 PM

You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection
Big Jake.
YouTube clip of big jake in the shower. America.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on October 15, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
You never know when the Obamacare fema deathcamp workers will come for you
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/SHOWERGUN_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on October 15, 2015, 01:00:42 PM
also should we mention that many states have laws that mandate you have fences around your pools?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on October 15, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Here it is. SFW https://youtu.be/7lCYxEOOCRU


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 15, 2015, 01:05:23 PM
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

It's okay to have a conversation with the people whom you are entrusting with your child about the safety of your child. 

My friend's FIL is a real herp derp kinda gun guy, the kind of guy you all are scared to death of.  My friend told him he won't bring his son to visit unless everything is locked up or on his person.  And you know what?  He happily agreed and compiled.

The kid could grab it from him and shoot himself/someone else.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

It's okay to have a conversation with the people whom you are entrusting with your child about the safety of your child. 

My friend's FIL is a real herp derp kinda gun guy, the kind of guy you all are scared to death of.  My friend told him he won't bring his son to visit unless everything is locked up or on his person.  And you know what?  He happily agreed and compiled.

The kid could grab it from him and shoot himself/someone else.

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
You never know when the Obamacare fema deathcamp workers will come for you
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/SHOWERGUN_2.jpg)

good luck getting into that plastic wrapper with herbal essences all over
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
Your friends FIL might be one of those mental illness problems that you should report
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 01:11:59 PM
Why should I report it?  I've met him like once, more than 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 15, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Why should I report it?  I've met him like once, more than 10 years ago.

dont worry about it, nothing will happen after you report it anyhow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 15, 2015, 01:14:47 PM
Well of course not.  Who has time to investigate unsubstantiated rumors?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2015, 01:18:06 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 15, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
You never know when the Obamacare fema deathcamp workers will come for you
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/SHOWERGUN_2.jpg)

good luck getting into that plastic wrapper with herbal essences all over

That is why you keep the gun loaded with the safety off. The plastic is easy to remove after you pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 15, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
i put in a pool to protect myself from toddlers and turtles and leaves
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 17, 2015, 11:28:19 AM
http://salina.com/news/man-apparently-accidentally-shoots-his-leg-during-movie-at-salina/article_219a6e3a-0d92-5992-bbee-8a6353e7420f.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Quote
She said a man yelled, “Oh, my God! I just shot myself! I just got my concealed carry.”   

^almost too good to be true
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 17, 2015, 10:19:52 PM
Not a shooting but just posting because this is the de facto gun thread

http://www.fox8live.com/story/30283594/boys-ages-6-and-11-booked-with-aggravated-assault-in-marigny
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2015, 11:20:45 AM
Quote
She said a man yelled, “Oh, my God! I just shot myself! I just got my concealed carry.”   

^almost too good to be true

that's great
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2015, 10:07:03 AM
http://salina.com/news/man-apparently-accidentally-shoots-his-leg-during-movie-at-salina/article_219a6e3a-0d92-5992-bbee-8a6353e7420f.html

topical

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/offduty-officer-leaves-gun-in-winter-park-movie-theater-bathroom/35805502
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2015, 10:07:39 AM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/30290418/gunfight-reenactor-shoots-self-at-ok-corral
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2015, 10:08:02 AM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/288711662f654aafa35ce9875bc37430/man-treated-hospital-grabs-officers-gun-kills-him
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 21, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
If you really want to save toddlers, eliminate stairs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 21, 2015, 09:11:08 PM
and pools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2015, 09:15:41 PM
yes, no need to do anything about guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
http://salina.com/news/man-apparently-accidentally-shoots-his-leg-during-movie-at-salina/article_219a6e3a-0d92-5992-bbee-8a6353e7420f.html

topical

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/offduty-officer-leaves-gun-in-winter-park-movie-theater-bathroom/35805502
How embarrassing! Whoopsies!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 21, 2015, 09:18:51 PM
the cop was obviously mentally disturbed (undiagnosable)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 21, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
yes, no need to do anything about guns

No, not really as related to toddler deaths and shootings.. infinitesimal percentage of toddler deaths related to guns. Negligible.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2015, 09:26:41 PM
Yup, eff off toddlers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 21, 2015, 09:54:00 PM
Yup, eff off toddlers

They should just be thankful they weren't 'borted. Any days outside the 'ol womb is a good day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 21, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
link?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2015, 09:17:24 AM
Teacher, student killed in stabbing attack on Swedish school (http://www.kansas.com/news/nation-world/world/article40822911.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2015, 09:31:05 AM
Good thing that guy didn't have a gun: 4 teachers, 26 students shot
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 09:33:23 AM
It's Sweden though, he could have had a gun if he wanted one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2015, 09:35:02 AM
It's Sweden though, he could have had a gun if he wanted one.
Is this accurate?

http://www.sweden.org.za/gun-laws-in-sweden.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 22, 2015, 09:38:26 AM
It's Sweden though, he could have had a gun if he wanted one.

after a valid reason, extensive vetting and training, and a license from the police. (and mandatory storage in a an approved gun safe)

but yeah sure
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 22, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
great look, ksuw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 09:49:18 AM
It's Sweden though, he could have had a gun if he wanted one.

after a valid reason, extensive vetting and training, and a license from the police. (and mandatory storage in a an approved gun safe)

but yeah sure

It can't be that extensive.  I had a friend move to Umea in the summer and he was hunting grouse that fall.  And I know he fished all summer.  And he's not even Swedish.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2015, 10:28:09 AM
Good thing that guy didn't have a gun: 4 teachers, 26 students shot

Yeah, might have been worse with a gun. But I think we can all agree that this tragedy could have been avoided if Sweden had an assault knives ban.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 22, 2015, 10:54:38 AM
great look, ksuw

i hope he didnt wear sweatpants to the office today
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
Moments before the attack, posing for pictures.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/22/17/2DAB0E1600000578-3284339-image-m-18_1445529771433.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 22, 2015, 11:39:52 AM
paintball mask, nazi helmet

i saw some media reporting it as a starwars mask
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 12:15:03 PM
I have never seen drop panel ceilings in Scandanavia.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2015, 12:21:44 PM
This new information of the last two posts leads me to believe this whole thing is a hoax
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2015, 12:22:41 PM
Obviously actors on a sound stage in hollyweird
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
This is a truly bizarre story.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 13, 2015, 03:59:28 PM
Paris....again  :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:14:14 PM
Paris....again  :cry:

https://vine.co/v/iBb2x00UVlv

AFP reporting 30+ 15 or 18 deceased
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:16:31 PM
Hostages at a concert hall. 
CNN claiming to have source in the hall, 6-8 hostage takers, clearing looking for more people to seize.  Shootout between hostage takers possibly on the roof and police.

Around 60 people held.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
possibly 2 suicide bombers, 6-8 hostage takers, 2 or 3 "events" across Paris.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:26:53 PM
American band was playing at the Bataclan concert hall.

Twitter chatter saying ISIS links.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:29:11 PM
CNN claiming 6 shootings and 3 explosions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 13, 2015, 04:31:17 PM
wrong thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 04:32:40 PM
wrong thread.
Do we need a dedicated Paris terror attack thread?

AP reporting 35 killed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 13, 2015, 04:35:40 PM
wrong thread.
Do we need a dedicated Paris terror attack thread?

AP reporting 35 killed.

Then merge with whatever thread it should go in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 13, 2015, 04:36:20 PM
CNN reporting 60 killed. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2015, 01:25:49 PM
https://twitter.com/fopviolette/status/670314391477223425
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on November 27, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
Welp, looks like all the bullshit propaganda about planned parenthood got someone killed
  'Grats nutcases.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 27, 2015, 02:46:24 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 27, 2015, 03:11:11 PM
Probably a Syrian refugee.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on November 27, 2015, 03:19:43 PM
Def a religious zealot intent on violence in order to try to force others to live the same way.   ISIS?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: slobber on November 27, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2015, 03:56:38 PM
rough ridin' Sam
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 27, 2015, 06:16:27 PM
Did you guys hear a bunch of lives were lost at a planned parenthood clinic in CO Springs today? Also, some people were injured in a nearby shooting spree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2015, 06:24:46 PM

Did you guys hear a bunch of lives were lost at a planned parenthood clinic in CO Springs today? Also, some people were injured in a nearby shooting spree.

JFC ksudub
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 27, 2015, 06:46:07 PM
Did you guys hear a bunch of lives were lost at a planned parenthood clinic in CO Springs today? Also, some people were injured in a nearby shooting spree.

It's funny, right as I was reading your idiotic post, Mrs. SB (who also had just read Sam's 4chan post) was saying, "man, the moderate conservatives really need to start raising their voices, because they're being completely hijacked by idiots who do crap like this and other idiots who will try to make jokes about it."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 27, 2015, 06:54:43 PM
Did you guys hear a bunch of lives were lost at a planned parenthood clinic in CO Springs today? Also, some people were injured in a nearby shooting spree.

It's funny, right as I was reading your idiotic post, Mrs. SB (who also had just read Sam's 4chan post) was saying, "man, the moderate conservatives really need to start raising their voices, because they're being completely hijacked by idiots who do crap like this and other idiots who will try to make jokes about it."

I wasn't joking, nor was I excusing the shooting, which is reprehensible.

I do find it somewhat ironic the people who are deeply upset about people injured in a shooting outside an abortion clinic but just sort of meh about the slaughter within.

I despise both things. One does seem worse than the other. Certainly in terms of loss of life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
 :flush:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2015, 07:27:45 PM
Quote
"There was a moment this afternoon when a man walked up to the scene with a handgun strapped to his waist and ammunition vest around his chest. He appeared to be asking police if he could help. Officers told him to leave immediately because appearing at the scene while wearing firearms and that equipment was a bad idea."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Good grief
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 27, 2015, 07:44:45 PM
:flush:

Good grief

Yes great points guys.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2015, 07:49:43 PM
Sensible Christian doing sensible Christian things
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 27, 2015, 08:03:43 PM
Sensible Christian doing sensible Christian things

Huh. Was he a Christian? Was he motivated by Christianity to kill a bunch of people? Serious questions - I don't know anything about this guy other than something about Colorado Springs being a "liberal shithole." :lol: This doesn't sound like a rational person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Sensible Christian doing sensible Christian things

Huh. Was he a Christian? Was he motivated by Christianity to kill a bunch of people? Serious questions - I don't know anything about this guy other than something about Colorado Springs being a "liberal shithole." :lol: This doesn't sound like a rational person.

Would it be better if I said sensible conservative doing sensible conservative things?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 27, 2015, 08:11:18 PM
Sensible Christian doing sensible Christian things

Huh. Was he a Christian? Was he motivated by Christianity to kill a bunch of people? Serious questions - I don't know anything about this guy other than something about Colorado Springs being a "liberal shithole." :lol: This doesn't sound like a rational person.

Would it be better if I said sensible conservative doing sensible conservative things?

Maybe? Start a new thread for it. You can add this guy and that Dylan Storm Roof.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on November 27, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 27, 2015, 09:56:12 PM
I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.

^ The extent of debate with libtards. If a point cannot be countered, just resort to name calling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on November 27, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
I thought we had already talked about abortion in another thread. You are now trying to turn this thread into another abortion thread and it's not being had. Am I missing anything?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 27, 2015, 10:08:50 PM

I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.

^ The extent of debate with libtards. If a point cannot be countered, just resort to name calling.

Irony?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on November 27, 2015, 10:10:39 PM

I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.

^ The extent of debate with libtards. If a point cannot be countered, just resort to name calling.

Seriously, when OK_Cat is calling you a terrible person, it's time to reevaluate your life. Maybe take your kid to the park and stay offline for a while
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2015, 10:31:05 PM

I thought we had already talked about abortion in another thread. You are now trying to turn this thread into another abortion thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on November 27, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
While it is an extremely odorous stance, I have to acknowledge the intellectual honesty
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 27, 2015, 11:30:08 PM
onerous.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 28, 2015, 07:18:38 AM

I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.

^ The extent of debate with libtards. If a point cannot be countered, just resort to name calling.

Seriously, when OK_Cat is calling you a terrible person, it's time to reevaluate your life. Maybe take your kid to the park and stay offline for a while

So, OKCat is saying he's a terrible person? And talking in the third person? :lol:

Seriously though, I know I'm a good person, and it really doesn't bother me when a troll calls me names. I'm raising a serious point: there are a lot of people who readily acknowledge that it is wrong to hurt or kill innocent people, and yet completely ignore the evil of killing innocent human lives just because they are still in the womb. That is an intellectually weak, if not outright dishonest position to take, as was explained in the other thread. I'm simply reminding you of it here because the shooting occurred at an abortion clinic and places the positions in stark contrast.

If you want to read into this that I somehow condone these shootings, that's not true, but believe what you want.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 28, 2015, 07:22:20 AM

I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.

^ The extent of debate with libtards. If a point cannot be countered, just resort to name calling.

Irony?

Eh, guess I should have said "only name calling." I'm not above calling someone what they are, but I'll also explain why.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 28, 2015, 08:04:14 AM


I'm assuming that nobody is left on the fence on whether or not ksudub is a crap poster and even worse human being.

^ The extent of debate with libtards. If a point cannot be countered, just resort to name calling.

Seriously, when OK_Cat is calling you a terrible person, it's time to reevaluate your life. Maybe take your kid to the park and stay offline for a while

So, OKCat is saying he's a terrible person? And talking in the third person? :lol:

Seriously though, I know I'm a good person, and it really doesn't bother me when a troll calls me names.

At least he is honest with himself on what he is.  He doesn't have to try and divert the attention back to a "real issue" as you are trying.  Funny that when you are called out for what you truly are you get so defensive about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 28, 2015, 09:19:54 AM
TBT, that might be the most childish and absurd post I've seen in the pit in a while.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 28, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
:D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 28, 2015, 09:35:04 AM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 28, 2015, 09:48:03 AM
:love:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 28, 2015, 10:44:29 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/fbi-warns-ny-police-anti-islam-arizona-man-article-1.2448001?cid=bitly#_gus&_gucid=article - news - top&_gup=twitter&_gsc=SLlfqQB&_giguuid=dd3873b689ec43639085d277015c4ae2
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on November 28, 2015, 10:54:08 AM
He was already in the marines.  Seems like if he wanted to kill muslims, he could easily get back to the middle east via the armed services?  What a weirdo/sack of crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2016, 01:38:24 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/us/ucla-shooting.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: stunted on June 03, 2016, 01:09:33 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/us/ucla-shooting.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2016, 07:12:46 PM
https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/742014451847712768



Our guy Pat is one hell of a money collecting machine. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2016, 09:55:41 PM
I know, let's make laws based upon the actions of psychopaths. -wetwillie's feeble minded talking point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2016, 10:05:46 PM
No srsly this guy was outing politicians left and right for taking money from the NRA and it was 10k here and 20k there and motherfucking Pat Roberts dwarfed all their candy asses.  Im not surprised, he got us NBAF for fucks sake.  He probably took double from the anti gun lobby and they were none the wiser.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2016, 10:14:51 PM
Wgaf? The nra didn't shoot these people and neither did all qaeda or religitards
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2016, 10:29:36 PM
Wgaf? The nra didn't shoot these people and neither did all qaeda or religitards

Their agenda and lobbying put the guns in these people's hands.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2016, 10:30:51 PM
No it didnt.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2016, 10:38:03 PM
NRA congressional grades.... The NRA dictates our laws. They bear responsibility.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2016, 10:40:49 PM
It's the same gun the BLM uses to enforce land leases, and the EPA uses to enforce the Clean Air Act.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2016, 10:41:41 PM
It's the same gun the BLM uses to enforce land leases, and the EPA uses to enforce the Clean Air Act.

Oh, so you mean people with background checks?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2016, 10:48:50 PM
It's the same gun the BLM uses to enforce land leases, and the EPA uses to enforce the Clean Air Act.

Oh, so you mean people with background checks?

It's okay to militarize the BLM and EPA so long as the OPM (people who couldnt cut it at the fbi) does a background check.  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 13, 2016, 08:31:56 AM
No srsly this guy was outing politicians left and right for taking money from the NRA and it was 10k here and 20k there and motherfucking Pat Roberts dwarfed all their candy asses.  Im not surprised, he got us NBAF for fucks sake.  He probably took double from the anti gun lobby and they were none the wiser.

Pat Roberts has been in congress since the dawn of time, and I'm sure those numbers are cumulative.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 08, 2016, 09:58:35 AM
Only a couple weeks in and we have one on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/us/texas-high-school-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/us/texas-high-school-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn)

 :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on September 08, 2016, 10:05:49 AM
But there have been no school shootings in months. 2 or so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 08, 2016, 10:07:14 AM
Yep.  We need to think out of the box here.  Quit blaming guns and maybe blame school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 08, 2016, 01:15:06 PM
Looks like an attempted murder-suicide, then one cop accidentally shot another.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on September 08, 2016, 01:29:07 PM
schools  :curse:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 08, 2016, 01:32:44 PM
Man.  Fantastic that in this country you can shoot a bunch a people and many want to hold the gun responsible.

Dude, that gun just walked into that nightclub in Orlando and started pulling its own trigger!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2017, 10:41:08 AM
Good news for fans of this thread. 

https://twitter.com/AP/status/831897054087696384
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2017, 10:42:36 AM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on April 10, 2017, 02:24:53 PM
Time to fire this baby up again :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 10, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2017, 02:29:50 PM
Finally we have a president with balls to deal with this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
still a good 7.5 billion people that weren't shot today, so not too worried about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on April 10, 2017, 05:45:02 PM
That's a lot of people that made it through the day bullet free.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 12, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Left two AR's out of the safe yesterday and those lazy fuckers didn't kill a single person.  Might sell them, useless.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Yard Dog on April 12, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
Left two AR's out of the safe yesterday and those lazy fuckers didn't kill a single person.  Might sell them, useless.

Sell the ARs or the children?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
Aryan racists?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 03, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
North Lake College in Irving, TX is on lockdown right with an active shooter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 03, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
Shooter is dead.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on May 03, 2017, 01:24:04 PM
Good. I hope it was painful
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 05, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
Not a school but :frown:

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/927251889216983040
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 05, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/927254017612369923
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 05, 2017, 01:25:36 PM
That looks like the church from kingsman
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 05, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
27 dead and 24 injured


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 05, 2017, 02:00:15 PM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 05, 2017, 02:50:36 PM
I feel better once it’s known what color of skin the shooter had.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 05, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
it's antifa
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
it was almost time to talk about gun controls that could limit mass shootings but now the clock has been reset and it's not the time to do it again.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 05, 2017, 03:09:14 PM
it was almost time to talk about gun controls that could limit mass shootings but now the clock has been reset and it's not the time to do it again.
It’s been just over a month, 45 days is the minimum I think.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 05, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanmgreene/status/927278450787762176
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2017, 03:22:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/927283057211658240
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 05, 2017, 03:23:16 PM
I feel better once it’s known what color of skin the shooter had.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 05, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
Haha liberal tears!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 05, 2017, 04:34:15 PM
Horrible stuff
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 05, 2017, 05:24:51 PM
Please tell me this wasn’t another brown supremacist that we let in here like New York
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 05, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
Devin Patrick Kelley.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2017, 06:05:30 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 05, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
Deport the air force
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 05, 2017, 06:11:31 PM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/927283057211658240

We know who libtard 'ave favors is this battle royale of sanctimony. #toolshed

Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on November 05, 2017, 06:12:54 PM
Whoa FSD let's not politicize this so quickly
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 05, 2017, 06:15:00 PM
There is no way someone whose face looks like that should be able to buy an AR
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 05, 2017, 06:15:47 PM
Whoa FSD let's not politicize this so quickly

:whiff:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 05, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
White dudes are on a pretty gruesome roll
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 05, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/927353345161007104

Sure, that's one, horrible, way to address the problem
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 05, 2017, 09:13:09 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/927367550958125058
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on November 05, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/927367550958125058
Some Cub Scout should get to the bottom of why he’s allowed guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 05, 2017, 09:42:11 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/927367550958125058
Some Cub Scout should get to the bottom of why he’s allowed guns

I don't think he is, but the fact he posted a photo of the gun on his facebook account means law enforcement should have been notified. I'm not surprised no one turned him in if it's illegal for him to own a gun but it's now extremely unsettling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: everyone shut up on November 05, 2017, 09:47:27 PM
He was dishonorable discharged, which is treated as a felony. He's not legally allowed to own a gun, and anything he owned before the discharge would have to be surrendered as well. This weapon was purchased illegally.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 05, 2017, 09:52:09 PM
He was dishonorable discharged, which is treated as a felony. He's not legally allowed to own a gun, and anything he owned before the discharge would have to be surrendered as well. This weapon was purchased illegally.

There are differing reports. Some news outlets are reporting a dishonorable discharge while others are saying bad conduct discharge. It's a moot point considering it's against the law for individuals convicted of domestic violence to own guns, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: everyone shut up on November 05, 2017, 10:12:19 PM
Yes. Either way, it shouldn't have been in his possession.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on November 05, 2017, 10:14:39 PM
There is no way someone whose face looks like that should be able to buy an AR
Why do all.of these killers hAve beards? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on November 06, 2017, 06:51:49 AM
Why?  We want pat and quick answers.   Unfortunately there are likely no answers other than evil.  I am perplexed as to what finally pushes someone to do this kind of act.  We are certainly living in times of inhumanizing discourse.  Unfortunately it takes a village to create a mass killer.  Each is a product of a his or her village - terrorists, hate groups, gothers, etc...

Maybe we all need to control our tongues and fingys better
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 06, 2017, 07:17:19 AM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 06, 2017, 07:26:25 AM
He checked the box that he had nothing in his past to disqualify him from buying a gun. Apparently that's how easy it is for a felon to buy a gun.

*from an academy sports in San Antonio
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 06, 2017, 07:40:04 AM
GAH

Quote
Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, a law enforcement official told CNN.
When Kelley filled out the background check paperwork at the store, he checked the box to indicate he didn't have disqualifying criminal history, the official said. He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he bought the rifle, the official said.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 06, 2017, 08:08:01 AM
can anyone explain why that is even possible?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 06, 2017, 08:14:41 AM
Our background check system sucks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 06, 2017, 08:17:14 AM
can anyone explain why that is even possible?

Criminal mastermind
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 06, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
That’s pathetic, and probably cost 25+ lives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 06, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
So, to recap: IT IS WAY TOO EASY TO GET GUNS IN AMERICA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 06, 2017, 08:22:41 AM
Was it even illegal for this guy to buy the gun in Texas? Maybe he didn't even check the wrong box. The stuff I'm seeing says felonies and domestic violence only keep you from getting a gun for 5 years, and his court-martial was in 2012.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 06, 2017, 08:54:20 AM
Federal law supposed to prevent domestic abusers from purchasing a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on November 06, 2017, 08:56:39 AM
Was it even illegal for this guy to buy the gun in Texas? Maybe he didn't even check the wrong box. The stuff I'm seeing says felonies and domestic violence only keep you from getting a gun for 5 years, and his court-martial was in 2012.

He purchased the gun in April 2016 via the news reports which is still within the 5 years.

On the news they're saying that the background check didn't disqualify him and it should have. So what happened?  As long as the Academy store that sold it to him called in/e-checked they're not at fault.

And if someone checks the wrong box or tries to lie on the form, they're supposed to be caught with the background check. So how he filled out the form is irrelevant as long as the store checked his ID and matched it up.

And BTW the background check (NICS) used for gun/explosive purchases is ran by the FBI.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 06, 2017, 08:58:58 AM
People who knew him say he was a crazy atheist
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 06, 2017, 08:59:50 AM
People who knew him say he was a crazy atheist
The worst kinda crazy.  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 06, 2017, 09:09:50 AM
Seems like the further our people walk away from the Lord, the more these horrific shootings keep happening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on November 06, 2017, 01:11:03 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 06, 2017, 01:14:09 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise

Lol, I’ve always had this stance.  At minimum a dramatically enhanced level of licensing and vetting before being allowed to purchase any assault style weapon, and absolutely no resell unless it’s done through a vetting clearinghouse with the same requirements. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 06, 2017, 01:17:35 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise

Lol, I’ve always had this stance.  At minimum a dramatically enhanced level of licensing and vetting before being allowed to purchase any assault style weapon, and absolutely no resell unless it’s done through a vetting clearinghouse with the same requirements.

dax and I have the same view on this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SdK on November 06, 2017, 02:03:20 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise
I think that's because most everyone agrees with him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2017, 02:38:16 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise

Lol, I’ve always had this stance.  At minimum a dramatically enhanced level of licensing and vetting before being allowed to purchase any assault style weapon, and absolutely no resell unless it’s done through a vetting clearinghouse with the same requirements.

dax and I have the same view on this

same. IMO you don't need to "ban" anything, just make it about as difficult to own and operate a firearm as it is to own and operate a vehicle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 06, 2017, 02:43:15 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise

Lol, I’ve always had this stance.  At minimum a dramatically enhanced level of licensing and vetting before being allowed to purchase any assault style weapon, and absolutely no resell unless it’s done through a vetting clearinghouse with the same requirements.

dax and I have the same view on this

same. IMO you don't need to "ban" anything, just make it about as difficult to own and operate a firearm as it is to own and operate a vehicle.

Nah, I’m pretty down with a ban on a specific classification of guns.  If you need an AK to defend life and property then you probably pissed off the wrong people or are a criminal already. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 06, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise

Lol, I’ve always had this stance.  At minimum a dramatically enhanced level of licensing and vetting before being allowed to purchase any assault style weapon, and absolutely no resell unless it’s done through a vetting clearinghouse with the same requirements.

dax and I have the same view on this

same. IMO you don't need to "ban" anything, just make it about as difficult to own and operate a firearm as it is to own and operate a vehicle.

Nah, I’m pretty down with a ban on a specific classification of guns.  If you need an AK to defend life and property then you probably pissed off the wrong people or are a criminal already.

same
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 06, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
Interesting if true

https://twitter.com/DrMikeSimpson/status/927538095037276160
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 06, 2017, 03:14:27 PM
stopped
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Post by: renocat on November 06, 2017, 03:56:31 PM
I am starting to agree with Dax about assault rifles.  You can't eat a duck blasted by an assault rifle.

CBS was reporting earlier that this is the church his ex-wife and family attends.  This tidbit came from the TX governor.  This killernut was imprisoned by the air force for beating his wife, and got a dishonorable discharge for it.   Is so, a horrendous event, but not a random one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 06, 2017, 03:59:09 PM
Yea, well this is pretty much exactly what was being said the last time we had a mass shooting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on November 06, 2017, 04:03:24 PM
He was denied a gun permit by the state.   

So, need to find how he got the gun and prosecute those people. 

Also need to ban these kinds of weapons.  Civilians don’t need these kinds of weapons.  The element that supports this assault rifle culture is nuts.   The whole mindset has turned me off from even browsing in most gun stores.  Used to like to check out the new models of traditional shotguns and such and now most are full of this assault weapon culture garbage.

This is not getting enough airplay here guise

Lol, I’ve always had this stance.  At minimum a dramatically enhanced level of licensing and vetting before being allowed to purchase any assault style weapon, and absolutely no resell unless it’s done through a vetting clearinghouse with the same requirements.

Just bringing it to attention, didn't mean to poke the bear (too hard). It's this common sense crap over guns that we can't even bring up to the table that pisses me off if anything. But until then, I guess we'll keep T&Ping ourselves into oblivion. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 06, 2017, 09:28:39 PM
The problem with banning "assault" weapons, is how "assault" defined.

Automatic weapons are already banned. So your left with weapons that look scary, but are no different in function that a weapon that looks like its for hunting. Basically, slippery slope.

It's a sticky wicket
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on November 06, 2017, 10:09:01 PM
We should only have muskets and shotguns.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on November 06, 2017, 10:10:29 PM
Ban, buy back, confiscate anything else


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 06, 2017, 10:21:25 PM
The problem with banning "assault" weapons, is how "assault" defined.

Automatic weapons are already banned. So your left with weapons that look scary, but are no different in function that a weapon that looks like its for hunting. Basically, slippery slope.

It's a sticky wicket


It's not really a sticky wicket to most Americans, only to the type of person who gets off on owning really cool guns even though it comes at the expense of 20 first graders getting their heads blown off at school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on November 06, 2017, 10:26:43 PM
The problem with banning "assault" weapons, is how "assault" defined.

Automatic weapons are already banned. So your left with weapons that look scary, but are no different in function that a weapon that looks like its for hunting. Basically, slippery slope.

It's a sticky wicket


It's not really a sticky wicket to most Americans, only to the type of person who gets off on owning really cool guns even though it comes with the expense of 20 first graders getting their heads blown off at school.
They want these guns to fight off the Obama army coming to get them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 06:36:30 AM
The problem with banning "assault" weapons, is how "assault" defined.

Automatic weapons are already banned. So your left with weapons that look scary, but are no different in function that a weapon that looks like its for hunting. Basically, slippery slope.

It's a sticky wicket

What kind of downgrade hunts with a semi automatic rifle? One who just sucks complete ass at aiming or some crap? Honestly asking because I don't know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 07, 2017, 06:39:50 AM
They're really only good for coyotes. If you get anything much larger, you'll tend not to drop it. You have to be pretty close to get a deer with an AR.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2017, 07:00:14 AM
People worried that much about Coyotes should just use land mines instead. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 07, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
Good idea except the cows step on the minefields too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 07, 2017, 08:56:26 AM
My point is, these fucktards in congress want to call anything with a synthetic stock an assault weapon because its black instead of wood.

Pretty soon everything is banned, but you still have a billion guns in circulation and a suicidal maniac is going to find a way to get one.

"Banning" guns is a fantasy. You cannot makes a billion guns vanish.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on November 07, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
Don't get me wrong as I am glad a church neighbor had a gun to shoot the church killer, but to say he was blessed by Jesus to have a gun is a real perverted take on being a follower of Christ.  Justifying militancy in the name of Jesus never ends well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2017, 10:15:05 AM
Good idea except the cows step on the minefields too.

Well obviously I was joking. We all know that the best way to stop bad coyotes is with good coyotes. So just train your own coyote hunting coyotes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2017, 10:17:45 AM
Maybe it’s been said but apparently the failed background check was because the Airforce did not properly update their database. It seems that even on reforms that everyone agrees on, not enough emphasis has been placed on making sure guns stay out of the wrong hands.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 07, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Good idea except the cows step on the minefields too.

Well obviously I was joking. We all know that the best way to stop bad coyotes is with good coyotes. So just train your own coyote hunting coyotes.
Maybe we just need to train the cows to hunt the coyotes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 10:51:39 AM
you may want to check out the steve dave tells you farm stuff thread but coyotes don't eff with cows. a cow would destroy a coyote irl. the only time a coyote could kill a cow is if it's a tiny little baby one and the mom cow is dead or just left it or something. which doesn't really happen. the mom cow usually tries to flip you over onto your head and you have to run back to the pickup and jump in the back and sometimes she tries to jump in the back too and it's hilarious. idiot farmers hate coyotes though because they find their dead cows and coyotes are eating them. but they are already dead. farmers are mostly idiots.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 10:54:01 AM
farmers also pretend to hate coyotes because they like shooting things. also prairie dogs. farmers just love killing stuff. oh, also feral pigs. farmers will tell you 500 different ways how they are tearing up the crops and stuff. irl they just love shooting them to death.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on November 07, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
also in the 80s coyote pelts sold for like $25 per (lot of money in those days) and where i'm from farmers by the pick up load would go hunt coyotes. my uncle would even go up in a small airplane and hunt them. another uncle had an old vw bug with the top cut out to go hunt coyotes. it was a huge thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 11:00:18 AM
also in the 80s coyote pelts sold for like $25 per (lot of money in those days) and where i'm from farmers by the pick up load would go hunt coyotes. my uncle would even go up in a small airplane and hunt them. another uncle had an old vw bug with the top cut out to go hunt coyotes. it was a huge thing.

oh yeah, that crap still happens. it's like Mad Max Fury Road except a bunch of hicks chasing a poor dog around. tearing the living eff out of their own fields and property. they love it so much.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
another thing farmers love: having a dedicated pickup that is their "coyote wagon". it's all torched up Mad Max style with gunner chairs and giant tires and loud exhaust and just the most redneck crap you can imagine. sometimes also they have dogs that are fast that they let out to help chase the coyote. also snowmobiles for the sole purpose of doing this when it's snowy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 07, 2017, 11:06:20 AM
Fascinating
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
irl coyote wagon thing: you get like bars on the front like an old timey locomotive.

(http://riogrande.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_169/riogrande/zebra_08-d82be.jpg)

and they go over the entire front of your truck and all the way over the back. not as many but like 4 so you can still see and shoot out. then you can drive right through a barbed wire fence and it goes over the top of your truck tearing the crap out of itself but you don't have to slow down chasing the coyote you're salivating over killing to death.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 07, 2017, 11:17:32 AM
Big Ag Farmers have all the fun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on November 07, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
My point is, these fucktards in congress want to call anything with a synthetic stock an assault weapon because its black instead of wood.

Pretty soon everything is banned, but you still have a billion guns in circulation and a suicidal maniac is going to find a way to get one.

"Banning" guns is a fantasy. You cannot makes a billion guns vanish.

Tell that to Australia
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on November 07, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
I hear republicans talking about banning guns way more than any democrat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 07, 2017, 11:26:30 AM
that sounds awesome, I want to go coyote hunting.. I'll bring the beers!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 07, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
Coyotes are a nuisance. They kill your cats, chickens, and possibly even a dog. If they’re on your property I? would recommend that you shoot them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on November 07, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
My parents lived next to a couple of Ag professors. They had sheep. When coyotes came around and messed with the sheep they'd shoot them.

Also, the dude was Iraqi. My dad's profound commentary on the sheep tending was, "See, where he's from they've been doing this for thousands of years."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 07, 2017, 11:55:08 AM
I'd having the largest nutsack of all time hanging from my coyote killer. that sumbitch would be dragging through the field
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 07, 2017, 12:03:12 PM
Lol that any real farmer cares if their farm cats get eaten
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 07, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
A lot of low coyote IQ ITT.

If you want to get rid of coyotes, you get a donkey.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 07, 2017, 12:17:25 PM
A lot of low coyote IQ ITT.

If you want to get rid of coyotes, you get a donkey.
Can confirm that Coyotes hate Donkeys.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on November 07, 2017, 12:24:06 PM
A lot of low coyote IQ ITT.

If you want to get rid of coyotes, you get a donkey.
Can confirm that Coyotes hate Donkeys.

Both wrong.

Coyotes hate Roadrunners.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2017, 12:37:12 PM
coyotes hate getting their entire face blown off by rednecks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 07, 2017, 12:39:11 PM
OT:

https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/927325615451262976
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on November 07, 2017, 12:42:48 PM
OT:

https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/927325615451262976

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/11/06/ar-15-style-rifles-common-among-mass-shootings/838283001/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 07, 2017, 12:47:01 PM
It's just a coincidence
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 07, 2017, 12:50:12 PM
In other fake news today: coyotes are actually herbivores that never bother livestock

Thanks for the update, libtards
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 07, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
I was literally within a stones throw of sd's farm earlier this month and saw a coyote in broad daylight just walking in the ditch.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 07, 2017, 12:58:10 PM
In other fake news today: coyotes are actually herbivores that never bother livestock

Thanks for the update, libtards

A farm off between noted cattleman fsd and our own FFA hater sd.  Let's see where this goes...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
In other fake news today: coyotes are actually herbivores that never bother livestock

Thanks for the update, libtards

A farm off between noted cattleman fsd and our own FFA hater sd.  Let's see where this goes...

This is actually not at odds with what sd has said ITT.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 07, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
I think said no one needs to go berserker on coyotes to protect their cattle
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 07, 2017, 07:57:44 PM
just awful :(

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Inside-the-Texas-church-she-thought-it-was-her-12337562.php
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on November 08, 2017, 03:39:01 AM
Guns are the mental health problem. Just like a Jeep Wrangler demands to go mudding, just like your Corvette demands to be opened up on a the freeway, just like you have to burn the tires on the Camaro, or put on the one ring to turn invisible, or pop a wheelie on your dirt bike, or pack a frozen chicken in your blendtec,  the gun demands to do what it was made to do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on November 08, 2017, 08:24:17 AM
Shoot bullseye targets and gongs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Shoot bullseye targets and gongs.

Hold and take pictures to post and look super tough
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
Feel powerful for the first time in their lives
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
Hold and look in mirror, pretend strong
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2017, 02:22:59 PM
(https://conservativetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Trump-Jr.-elephant-tail.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 09, 2017, 01:13:20 AM
bring into chipotle
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tehama-county-school-shooting-california-latest-news-updates-children-dead-injured-elementary-a8054981.html

meh, only 3 dead. :zzz:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 14, 2017, 01:34:03 PM
5 dead now. Doesn't even rank breaking news level for CNN.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on November 14, 2017, 01:57:03 PM
5 dead now. Doesn't even rank breaking news level for CNN.

Makes it a "mass" shooting. But yeah, who cares about 5? 26 died last Sunday.

What a joke of a society we live in (that's not a dig at CNN or any news network, just a sad reflection of how much this doesn't matter really anymore)

Restart the clock, T's & P's everyone. See you in 1-6 weeks to do this again!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on November 14, 2017, 02:20:39 PM
Right when it was about time to talk about guns...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
There's just nothing that can be done to stop these from happening

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/938960588243460096
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
There's just nothing that can be done to stop these from happening

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/938960588243460096
Barely made a blip in the news cycle
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on December 10, 2017, 04:26:20 AM
He could have gotten the gun anywhere illegally anyway tho

https://twitter.com/SaysHummingbird/status/939654882855878657
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 10, 2017, 10:29:37 AM
Too soon, why are you politicizing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on December 10, 2017, 10:30:27 AM
he probably checked the "good guy with a gun" box on the application form
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 22, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
http://time.com/5112440/italy-texas-high-school-shooting/


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on January 23, 2018, 11:43:22 AM
Another one in Kentucky today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on January 23, 2018, 12:19:30 PM
NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DISCUSS GUNS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 12:28:04 PM
If you could wave your magic wand and have a unified congress pass gun control legislation of any kind what would it look like?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 23, 2018, 12:32:44 PM
If you could wave your magic wand and have a unified congress pass gun control legislation of any kind what would it look like?

Some required training before owning a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 12:36:14 PM
For me it would be to treat guns like cars.  Require licences that have to be renewed every couple years and mandatory liability insurance (or alternatively a heightened tax that gets paid into a federal program for relief for families of mass shooting victims).  Also ban assault rifles and anything else developed by the military to kill humans that people only claim they need for shooting targets or whatever BS (aka wang compensators).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 23, 2018, 12:38:09 PM
I'm assuming your magic wand allows you to change the wording of the second amendment to make it more clear that congress is allowed to regulate gun ownership.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 12:38:34 PM
So the billions of guns already out there...?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 23, 2018, 12:42:11 PM
I'm assuming your magic wand allows you to change the wording of the second amendment to make it more clear that congress is allowed to regulate gun ownership.

It says well regulated
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 12:42:52 PM
So the billions of guns already out there...?

Still gotta be licensed to possess.  Put in maybe like a 1-2 year grace period.  Guns need to be registered for purposes of paying the liability insurance.  Wang compensators you can still possess, but sale and discharging is illegal.

Any solution to reducing gun violence in America is not going to work on a short term basis.  It requires a shift in culture that could take 100-200 years or more.  But you gotta start somewhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on January 23, 2018, 12:54:58 PM
Do whatever Australia did.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 23, 2018, 01:05:47 PM
Time to punish law abiding citizens for the actions of the mentally insane.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 01:07:48 PM
I'm assuming your magic wand allows you to change the wording of the second amendment to make it more clear that congress is allowed to regulate gun ownership.

A unified congress would be able to change the words of any amendment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
Do whatever Australia did.

The two countries situations are essentially the same so I can see this working
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
I'm assuming your magic wand allows you to change the wording of the second amendment to make it more clear that congress is allowed to regulate gun ownership.

A unified congress would be able to change the words of any amendment.

We'd need a unified country to make that work.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 01:21:43 PM
What gun laws are not being enforced?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 01:26:47 PM
I would require all guns be registered and include ballistic data, equipped with a biometric safety device so only the owner and specifically approved others can fire it (users added at approved shops with the same scrutiny as owners), and also anyone allowed to fire that gun is held equally responsible for any crime committed with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2018, 01:31:14 PM
I've said it many times.

step 1: licenses for ownership (complete with training)
step 2: registration for all guns purchased (could be step 1 actually)
step 3: all private sales require registration
step 4: registered owner of gun held responsible for crimes committed with that gun if it was not reported missing/stolen

IMO this would help gradually reducing the black market
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 23, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
I've said it many times.

step 1: licenses for ownership (complete with training)
step 2: registration for all guns purchased (could be step 1 actually)
step 3: all private sales require registration
step 4: registered owner of gun held responsible for crimes committed with that gun if it was not reported missing/stolen

IMO this would help gradually reducing the black market


seems reasonable except for the last one. like what if a gun was stolen in the morning and a crime in the afternoon?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 01:36:32 PM
Secure your guns better
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?

Attrition
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
Omg if you require new cars to have higher emissions standards what do you do about all the existing cars?????
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
Lol wut
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
I've said it many times.

step 1: licenses for ownership (complete with training)
step 2: registration for all guns purchased (could be step 1 actually)
step 3: all private sales require registration
step 4: registered owner of gun held responsible for crimes committed with that gun if it was not reported missing/stolen

IMO this would help gradually reducing the black market


seems reasonable except for the last one. like what if a gun was stolen in the morning and a crime in the afternoon?

I think it could be figured out. I mean I'm assuming that theft of a properly secured gun would leave behind evidence of theft. And in most cases the responsible owner would know their gun was stolen before the gun used in the crime could be traced back to them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on January 23, 2018, 01:59:53 PM
Ask people what they will be using the gun for before selling to them.  If for crime, no dice.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
I think that already happens
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 23, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Well if a criminal gets the combo to your gun safe, and you don't go check in your gun safe every single day and do an inventory check; they could easily commit a crime with your gun before you report it or even know it was stolen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 02:03:06 PM
If you give a criminal your combo then you deserve to be held responsible
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on January 23, 2018, 02:04:46 PM
What if he held a gun to your head to your head and demanded the combo?  But where did he get that gun?  The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 02:24:21 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?

Is this an actual question or are you trying to make a point?  Because it's been answered several times.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 23, 2018, 02:30:10 PM
Virus, do not click
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?

Is this an actual question or are you trying to make a point?  Because it's been answered several times.

its been dismissed so I suppose no one thinks it's a problem.   I happen to disagree.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 23, 2018, 02:34:32 PM
If you give a criminal your combo then you deserve to be held responsible

Maybe they have set up a secret camera system and spied on you when you were opening the safe...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on January 23, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
Time to punish law abiding citizens for the actions of the mentally insane.
I have to do a whole bunch of crap as a law abiding citizen that  is only there to control insane and criminal elements.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2018, 02:39:49 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?

Is this an actual question or are you trying to make a point?  Because it's been answered several times.

its been dismissed so I suppose no one thinks it's a problem.   I happen to disagree.

I'd make registering the existing supply/all secondary market sales as step 4 or 5 of my list. sorry if it isn't a perfect solution
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on January 23, 2018, 03:17:16 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?
Gun buyback programs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 03:19:21 PM
That's good on a go forward, what do you do with all the guns that exist today?
Gun buyback programs.

Now we are talking
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 23, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 03:25:04 PM
Yeah, a gun buyback program is just a waste of money. Just require people to register and confiscate unregistered guns as you find them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 03:25:15 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.

Or register it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 03:27:24 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.

You want the $300 or the mandatory surrender a year from now?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 23, 2018, 03:28:15 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.

You want the $300 or the mandatory surrender a year from now?
heh.  tell me how a mandatory surrender would work.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 03:29:46 PM
A law gets passed that says you turn over your registered firearms or you go to jail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on January 23, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.
I think gun buyback programs are more targeted at illegally acquired guns considering the no questions asked part of it. It's one of the things Australia used in '96.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.

You want the $300 or the mandatory surrender a year from now?
heh.  tell me how a mandatory surrender would work.

Robot with a bomb strapped to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 03:32:44 PM
In this case I wouldn't bother with buyback except for assault rifles.  Since they would be illegal to sell or discharge it would be a pretty good deal (plus the fees associated with registration).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 23, 2018, 03:36:22 PM
sure, i bought this mega expensive assault rifle, I could keep or, OR I could "sell" it to the government for $300.
I think gun buyback programs are more targeted at illegally acquired guns considering the no questions asked part of it. It's one of the things Australia used in '96.
buybacks have been tried in the US and they just haven't worked.  i don't see any harm in trying again though.   https://www.npr.org/2013/01/15/169439243/newtown-prompts-gun-buybacks-but-do-they-work (https://www.npr.org/2013/01/15/169439243/newtown-prompts-gun-buybacks-but-do-they-work)
A law gets passed that says you turn over your registered firearms or you go to jail.
i think this would be a great idea if all of a sudden the supreme court changes its mind about what the second amendment means.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
A law gets passed that says you turn over your registered firearms or you go to jail.
Do you not see the irony in this?
Your problem isn't legal firearms.  Never was, never will be.
Bolstering the black market, would only increase profits to criminals and gun violence.
Your rights/responsibility for firearms was set by founding fathers that wanted to protect the country from tyrants.


Pro tip the govt's guns LOL at yours, the idea that the average gun owner can ward off the govt with their AR 15 is hilarious
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 23, 2018, 03:48:56 PM
A law gets passed that says you turn over your registered firearms or you go to jail.
Do you not see the irony in this?
Your problem isn't legal firearms.  Never was, never will be.
Bolstering the black market, would only increase profits to criminals and gun violence.
Your rights/responsibility for firearms was set by founding fathers that wanted to protect the country from tyrants.


Pro tip the govt's guns LOL at yours, the idea that the average gun owner can ward off the govt with their AR 15 is hilarious

take it up with the founders/supreme court.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
A law gets passed that says you turn over your registered firearms or you go to jail.
Do you not see the irony in this?
Your problem isn't legal firearms.  Never was, never will be.
Bolstering the black market, would only increase profits to criminals and gun violence.
Your rights/responsibility for firearms was set by founding fathers that wanted to protect the country from tyrants.


Pro tip the govt's guns LOL at yours, the idea that the average gun owner can ward off the govt with their AR 15 is hilarious

take it up with the founders/supreme court.

We already waved a magic wand dude
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 03:52:52 PM
jag really kicking the crap out of that strawman
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 23, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
A law gets passed that says you turn over your registered firearms or you go to jail.
Do you not see the irony in this?
Your problem isn't legal firearms.  Never was, never will be.
Bolstering the black market, would only increase profits to criminals and gun violence.
Your rights/responsibility for firearms was set by founding fathers that wanted to protect the country from tyrants.


Pro tip the govt's guns LOL at yours, the idea that the average gun owner can ward off the govt with their AR 15 is hilarious

take it up with the founders/supreme court.

We already waved a magic wand dude
fair.  but just so we're all on the same page - we'd need congress to overturn the second amendment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 03:57:09 PM
I'm assuming your magic wand allows you to change the wording of the second amendment to make it more clear that congress is allowed to regulate gun ownership.

A unified congress would be able to change the words of any amendment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 04:02:20 PM
Some people can't handle hypotheticals
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 04:03:54 PM
The 2nd amendment is really the worst of the bunch, anyway.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 04:04:27 PM
I will say I admire dlew12's fervor to defend the constitution at any and all costs in any thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on January 23, 2018, 04:06:20 PM
i think dlew might be a law-yer not a loyer type guy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 23, 2018, 04:22:15 PM
i'm not defending the constitution for the sake of defending the constitution.  i'm not really "defending" anything.  i missed the "magic wand" posts above.

i'm just speaking practically.  if people want to go out and repeal the second amendment, go for it.

that said, comparing the US situation to australia is bold.  australia is estimated to have recovered something like a quarter of its citizens' guns, which totaled roughly a million of them.  the US has 350 million guns.  so even in this alternate reality where (1) the second amendment is repealed, (2) congress enacts a ban, and (3) our efforts are as successful as Australia's, the number of privately owned guns in this country will still number in the hundreds of millions.

i'm not a huge pro-gun guy.  i don't have a gun, i've never been hunting...the constitutional right means nothing to me. but given the prevalence of guns in this country and the long-established gun culture that's firmly entrenched here, i think it's next to impossible to put the "gun problem toothpaste" back in the bottle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 23, 2018, 08:21:17 PM
People always argue that gun restrictions would never work because it wouldn't see immediate success. But we're trying to reverse the rotation of the Earth, here. It's gonna take a long rough ridin' time, generations even, but doing nothing just because it might not work in the short term to change the ridiculous weaponized mindset in this country is not an option.

To me it's akin to people seeing snow and being like, "well they passed environmental restrictions a few years ago and they're still telling me global warming is happening, so obviously they didn't work and we should get rid of the restrictions." Don't only think now. Think, like, 100 years from now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 23, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
They should have thought ahead 226 years ago. Too late now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 24, 2018, 09:47:02 PM
So, 11 school shootings in 2018 already. 

https://www.facebook.com/stevencohn/posts/10155284750444607


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 24, 2018, 10:28:59 PM
No problem whatsoever, nothing we could possibly do about it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 25, 2018, 08:16:08 AM
Bummer there is simply nothing we can do ever darnit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 25, 2018, 08:54:11 AM
Interesting article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

Just one mass shooting in Kansas. July 3, 2004 ConAgra in KCK.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 25, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
Hesston(sp?) must not have counted
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
Very informative. I agree mass shootings are a relatively minor problem compared to gun violence more generally. Most nationwide studies you look at will show you what should be pretty obvious: less guns = less gun violence, including suicide. The best answer is to take sensible measures to reduce the circulation of guns in America and slowly erode against a culture that in some parts can only really be described as gun worship. Like I said, it’s at least a 100-200 year solution, but you gotta start somewhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 25, 2018, 09:16:15 AM
Hesston(sp?) must not have counted

The article says it just used incidents where there were 4 or more killed. Only 3 deaths in Hesston not counting the shooter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 25, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
Could go here or the avoid police thread, but I found this interesting

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2018, 11:53:03 AM
yeah i'm confident there were a crap ton more than 1100 police killings in 2015 in the us
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 25, 2018, 04:44:45 PM
Wow that's sad that so many police officers were killed in 2015
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 26, 2018, 12:24:33 AM
In 200 years, criminals will have moved on to superior weapons.  There will still be violence; just not gun violence.

what a shame there's absolutely nothing that could ever possibly be done. welp, guess we better not even try. oh well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on January 26, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
In 200 years, criminals will have moved on to superior weapons.  There will still be violence; just not gun violence.

what a shame there's absolutely nothing that could ever possibly be done. welp, guess we better not even try. oh well.
Lasers aren't in the 2md amendment....we just need to push through this whole gun technology and then we can regulate future killing devices!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 26, 2018, 10:02:09 AM
In 200 years, criminals will have moved on to superior weapons.  There will still be violence; just not gun violence.

what a shame there's absolutely nothing that could ever possibly be done. welp, guess we better not even try. oh well.
Lasers aren't in the 2md amendment....we just need to push through this whole gun technology and then we can regulate future killing devices!

Laser guns are still "arms".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2018, 10:24:47 AM
So are nuclear missiles
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 26, 2018, 10:46:34 AM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on January 26, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
Again, lots of people make their own already.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 26, 2018, 10:58:46 AM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
Again, lots of people make their own already.

That's not really a counterargument to my point.  People could make their own guns if we outlawed those too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 26, 2018, 11:08:14 AM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
i've been banging this drum for like 6 years.  nobody likes it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 26, 2018, 08:30:54 PM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
Again, lots of people make their own already.

That's not really a counterargument to my point.  People could make their own guns if we outlawed those too.
Except making bullets is pretty easy.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2018, 08:44:55 PM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
i've been banging this drum for like 6 years.  nobody likes it.

how can you argue that bullets aren't protected by the right to bear arms?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 08:48:11 PM
yeah, I don't think that's a starter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 08:52:43 PM
1) must have a license and register all guns. this includes a license and registration fee paid annually. this money can be used to combat the "mental illness problem" we have instead of the "gun problem"   :rolleyes:
2) some sort of legal ramifications if the guns you own and have registered are used in a crime
3) some sort of legal ramifications if you own a non registered gun
4) outlaw semi automatic assault rifles. nobody can be obtuse enough to argue that their AR-15 is a defense against a tyrannical government.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 08:59:34 PM
5) do away with all of the gun show/pawn shop/personal sale backdoors to gun ownership. all gun sales/purchases are registered and require the license noted above. you need a license and pay for registration for a car, you need a license and registration to own a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 09:01:04 PM
obviously none of that's going to stop gun violence in our country, but it'll slow it and they're self funding preventative measures.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 26, 2018, 09:21:36 PM
just let people do what they want and stop putting people that get killed by guns on the news so much.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 09:41:19 PM
just let people do what they want and stop putting people that get killed by guns on the news so much.

that's what we're already doing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 26, 2018, 10:17:28 PM
we love putting them on the news (the group-killed ones).  it's a fetish.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 10:18:32 PM
I guess we do give some airtime to the group killed ones
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 27, 2018, 07:18:18 AM
sounds like sd is on board with my treat guns like cars platform
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 27, 2018, 07:24:35 AM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
i've been banging this drum for like 6 years.  nobody likes it.

how can you argue that bullets aren't protected by the right to bear arms?

I'm not being completely serious, but we should be thinking about bullets in the discussion, especially in the context of "what should we do about the billions of guns currently in circulation?"  Sure, if we re-banned assault weapons today it's not practical to try to confiscate all the ones that are currently owned legally, but it certainly would help to cut off the sale of bullets for those weapons as well.

Likewise, now that I think of it, I'd probably add a new tax on bullets to help fund some of the relief/mental health programs we could use.  I don't doubt there are plenty of Martha Stewart type gun owners who make their own bullets, but honestly I'm not as worried about those types of gun owners.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2018, 08:03:19 AM
*highest efficiency killing tool available to general public and not even close
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2018, 10:11:02 AM
I don't think floods will be available to the general public as a killing tool until at least 2039
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2018, 10:58:52 AM
Seems easy enough for the average joe
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 28, 2018, 04:30:09 PM
color me stunned that justanotherguy is one of these "welp, nothing can be done so we better not even try" downgrades
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on January 28, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
I don't think floods will be available to the general public as a killing tool until at least 2039

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on January 29, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
Just make the sale of bullets illegal.  Boom, no second amendment problem.
i've been banging this drum for like 6 years.  nobody likes it.

how can you argue that bullets aren't protected by the right to bear arms?
:dunno:

Don't think that's been addressed yet.  I'm a bigtime rubber-bullets guy though.  Allows people to have guns.  Allows for self-defense.  I don't know man, I'm just spitballing.  I like the idea because it's kind of "far out."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on January 29, 2018, 02:50:29 PM
What do bear arms have to do with a well-regulated militia anyway?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2018, 02:56:50 PM
Getting lit up with rubber bullets would definitely hurt bad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 29, 2018, 05:01:55 PM
Correct, guns are absolutely the exact same as knives. That's why there are so many instances in which 58 people are killed and 851 others injured by knives thrown from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel room.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
Also tons of mass murder via flooding and chemical attack
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 05:58:49 PM
What do bear arms have to do with a well-regulated militia anyway?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 30, 2018, 08:22:11 PM
 Does the right to bear arms equal the right to buy arms?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 10:37:08 PM
Does the right to bear arms equal the right to buy arms?

"..shall not be infringed!"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 01, 2018, 11:53:03 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/959118289615106048
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2018, 11:57:57 AM
If only those middle schoolers were armed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 01, 2018, 12:15:11 PM
Everybody kneel to the flag and cross and prayer the bad away


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2018, 12:22:32 PM
a female shooter is so very rare, wow.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2018, 01:07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/959118289615106048

only two students, not a mass shooting

:cool:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on February 01, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/959118289615106048
Probably not hurt badly enough to prosecute, since it was a girl doing the shooting. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on February 01, 2018, 01:10:54 PM
a female shooter is so very rare, wow.
Yea, probably got some of those "rubber bullets" from Dlew12".  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 01, 2018, 01:14:44 PM
2 T's and 2 P's
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 02, 2018, 09:05:11 AM
Four injuries. Finally women getting equal time in school shootings.....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 02, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Four injuries. Finally women getting equal time in school shootings.....
grab em by the judge
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 02, 2018, 09:07:43 AM
Four injuries. Finally women getting equal time in school shootings.....

of course it was an accident. classic clumsy female butterfingers  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 02, 2018, 09:10:25 AM
Four injuries. Finally women getting equal time in school shootings.....

of course it was an accident. classic clumsy female butterfingers  :lol:

Maybe she was just smart enough to make it look like an accident.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 02, 2018, 09:14:04 AM
Four injuries. Finally women getting equal time in school shootings.....

of course it was an accident. classic clumsy female butterfingers  :lol:

Maybe she was just smart enough to make it look like an accident.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2018, 09:16:50 AM
The quotes from the LA times article are pure gold.  "She thought it was a fake gun"  "I guess she was just accidentally playing around with it"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 02, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
I thought this was supposed to stop because Trump

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/959145703950884864
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on February 02, 2018, 11:31:03 AM
I feel like the owners of these guns should be charged with criminal negligence at the very least. If your kid takes your gun to school and shoots people with it, you bear some of the responsibility.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2018, 02:42:20 PM
https://twitter.com/TAPSTRIMEDIA/status/963873746405806085
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 14, 2018, 02:52:07 PM
https://twitter.com/TheCaptainAidan/status/963865696643026944
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 14, 2018, 03:13:23 PM
White and still alive

https://twitter.com/CBS4Indy/status/963881073892610049
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 14, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
Reset the clock.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2018, 03:26:41 PM
Our children live in a fugged up world.

Whoa, way too early to talk about this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 14, 2018, 03:44:31 PM
Horrible.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 14, 2018, 03:54:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ShekibaAz/status/963886919124885504
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 14, 2018, 04:47:07 PM
If they would just build the wall, this crap wouldn’t happen.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 14, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/nicolas-nikolas-nick-cruz-florida-school-shooter-gunman-instagram/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2018, 05:06:38 PM
shall not be infringed


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2018, 05:42:41 PM
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 14, 2018, 06:15:18 PM
https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/963897594148683776


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 14, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
Boy, that guy's twitter is a real "treat"
https://twitter.com/dhookstead?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fgoemaw.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Dpost%3Btopic%3D25202.4275%3Blast_msg%3D1808818
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 14, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Really makes you wonder what's going on in our schools that has kids wanting to kill each other.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mhkpasa on February 14, 2018, 06:21:46 PM
https://twitter.com/motownfill/status/963920060728401920
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 14, 2018, 06:23:06 PM
Really makes you wonder what's going on in our schools that has kids wanting to kill each other.

You are better than this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2018, 06:29:37 PM
Really makes you wonder what's going on in our schools that has kids wanting to kill each other.

You are better than this

I don’t think he is


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2018, 06:31:27 PM
17 dead, deadliest US shooting since October.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 14, 2018, 06:34:26 PM
Really makes you wonder what's going on in our schools that has kids wanting to kill each other.

You are better than this

I don’t think he is


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he definitely isn't
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 14, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
Really makes you wonder what's going on in our schools that has kids wanting to kill each other.

You are better than this

I don’t think he is


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It's a reasonable question for independent thinkers. Should probably be more broad, though, and not just schools.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2018, 06:39:40 PM
John Doug and I  (reasonable independent thinkers) are trying to ponder why people have killed each other for the entire history of human beings being a thing. And why suddenly they are able to do it in large (some say “mass”) numbers so easily.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 06:44:10 PM
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 14, 2018, 06:49:39 PM
John Doug and I  (reasonable independent thinkers) are trying to ponder why people have killed each other for the entire history of human beings being a thing. And why suddenly they are able to do it in large (some say “mass”) numbers so easily.


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The question is why it is becoming epidemic in schools. Number of casualties aside, there are more incidents of kids shooting kids at school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 06:57:08 PM
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 14, 2018, 06:59:38 PM
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 14, 2018, 07:03:10 PM
John Doug and I  (reasonable independent thinkers) are trying to ponder why people have killed each other for the entire history of human beings being a thing. And why suddenly they are able to do it in large (some say “mass”) numbers so easily.


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The question is why it is becoming epidemic in schools. Number of casualties aside, there are more incidents of kids shooting kids at school.

An adult shot these kids today
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 14, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2018, 07:04:18 PM
It’s incredible that this keeps happening after all that we’ve done to try to curtail it.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 14, 2018, 07:05:05 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 07:05:39 PM
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

Shooting in the school, or "shooting up the school" as in the whole school?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 14, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
It’s incredible that this keeps happening after all that we’ve done to try to curtail it.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2018, 07:09:17 PM
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

Not much profit potential in that sort of endeavor.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 14, 2018, 07:09:17 PM
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

Shooting in the school, or "shooting up the school" as in the whole school?



I dunno bud, I think you are pretty reasonable on this issue and I’m not sure what you are driving at here. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2018, 07:15:35 PM
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

What private entites are there to donate money towards gun research? I would assume Gun Control organizations. The Brady Campaign had a $3 million budget in 2012, and I would think they're one of the largest. That doesn't seem like a lot of coin to go around.

I believe gun violence research could use some federal infusion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

What private entites are there to donate money towards gun research? I would assume Gun Control organizations. The Brady Campaign had a $3 million budget in 2012, and I would think they're one of the largest. That doesn't seem like a lot of coin to go around.

I believe gun violence research could use some federal infusion.

Friend, just look at the list of extramural funding sources at any major research university.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
Dax, you said we need to, "analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression." I pointed to government funded research which is nil. Do you have any suggestions?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 14, 2018, 07:49:48 PM
Bring back (Christian) prayer in school, and drop teaching evilution, boom problem solved.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2018, 07:53:39 PM
Dax, you said we need to, "analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression." I pointed to government funded research which is nil. Do you have any suggestions?

I think I gave you plenty.   But come on man, in terms of research dollars there's hundreds of millions available out that that isn't tied to the Federal Government.

I suspect if you were to cobble together every non-profit with a six figure person who was on a round table on NPR today you could find millions.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on February 14, 2018, 08:01:35 PM
Before we talk about guns, we have to cure mental health and man's insatiable desire for violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2018, 08:02:50 PM
It’s not ever going to stop, is it?

Everyone with kids just has to hope the odds go their way everyday they go off to school
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 14, 2018, 08:03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

 :buh-bye:

That number is incredibly misleading.  Everytown defines a school shooting as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds".  This includes many instances where a gun was fired but no one was injured.  It also includes suicides and solo confrontations like the one at Wake Forest, where a football player was killed during an argument at a sorority house on campus.

The true number is closer to 3.  Obviously that is 3 too many.



https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5837/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 14, 2018, 08:49:58 PM
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

 :buh-bye:

That number is incredibly misleading.  Everytown defines a school shooting as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds".  This includes many instances where a gun was fired but no one was injured.  It also includes suicides and solo confrontations like the one at Wake Forest, where a football player was killed during an argument at a sorority house on campus.

The true number is closer to 3.  Obviously that is 3 too many.



https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5837/

I don't see why it is misleading since the point was about comparison.  It's no less appalling if it had said 3 school shootings in the last 18 years everywhere else vs. 3 in the last 35 days in the U.S.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
If you have kids just rest assured that people acknowledge the problem and are taking action
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 14, 2018, 09:15:36 PM
Did you know that the AR in AR-15 doesn't mean assault rifle?
 
really makes you think.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 14, 2018, 09:36:36 PM
Did you know that the AR in AR-15 doesn't mean assault rifle?
 
really makes you think.
I know that the AK in AK-47 stands for Andrei Kirilenko.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 14, 2018, 11:20:25 PM
I'm only surprised the numbers aren't larger
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 14, 2018, 11:32:18 PM
I last got into this thread in January 2013 on page 55.  How many episodes did I miss?  I'm guessing they're all pretty repetitive.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on February 15, 2018, 06:58:08 AM
That tweet can't even be remotely true.  Can it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 15, 2018, 07:07:39 AM
If you have kids just rest assured that people acknowledge the problem and are taking action

Your children have been covered with T’s & P’s, they’ll be fine. Bubba has a constitutional right to own a firearm that can shoot 1200 rounds faster than he can write his own name.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 15, 2018, 07:26:11 AM
I last got into this thread in January 2013 on page 55.  How many episodes did I miss?  I'm guessing they're all pretty repetitive.

Congrats?  Must have made you feel good to type that out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2018, 07:28:03 AM
FBI/law enforcement was warned about this guy months ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 07:44:59 AM
What can guns be recycled into?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 07:58:36 AM
(https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/02/Tribe-tweet.jpeg)

Man, Laurence Tribe has gone a little nutty. He used to be a brilliant law professor.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 08:27:17 AM
FBI/law enforcement was warned about this guy months ago.
At least we have someone to blame and can move on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2018, 08:29:14 AM
FBI/law enforcement was warned about this guy months ago.

The fake news fbi? Pft
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2018, 08:29:26 AM
https://twitter.com/realjoshuahall/status/963946540015521793


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2018, 08:30:32 AM
https://twitter.com/realjoshuahall/status/963946540015521793


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Completely false by the way.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 08:31:49 AM
Surprising that this guy didn’t use a flood to do his damage or at the very least poison
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 08:33:38 AM
https://twitter.com/realjoshuahall/status/963946540015521793

Holy crap, the replies.

All guns should be collected and melted down in a way that will allow lots of spaceships to be built with the material so that a different planet can be colonized.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 15, 2018, 08:44:05 AM
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

 :buh-bye:

That number is incredibly misleading.  Everytown defines a school shooting as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds".  This includes many instances where a gun was fired but no one was injured.  It also includes suicides and solo confrontations like the one at Wake Forest, where a football player was killed during an argument at a sorority house on campus.

The true number is closer to 3.  Obviously that is 3 too many.



https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5837/

I don't see why it is misleading since the point was about comparison.  It's no less appalling if it had said 3 school shootings in the last 18 years everywhere else vs. 3 in the last 35 days in the U.S.


It's misleading because it inflates a statistic with incidents that most people wouldn't classify as a "school shooting".  Including things like suicide and accidental discharge into the numbers serves no other purpose than to push a particular viewpoint.

I agree that any number is terrible and something needs to change. But I think we're better off approaching problems with honesty and truth rather than doctoring numbers in an attempt to persuade people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 15, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
https://twitter.com/realjoshuahall/status/963946540015521793


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It's not important if it's true, just that it gets put out there.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 15, 2018, 08:47:04 AM
I also enjoy the "private citizens aren't funding enough research" argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 08:59:11 AM
repeat memes and politicians
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2018, 09:01:00 AM
It's way too soon to repeat memes and politicians guys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2018, 09:04:21 AM
We've tried everything guys, nothing can be done. Kids being slaughtered in schools is just a fact of life.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 09:05:53 AM
How many kids got slaughtered last year in schools?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on February 15, 2018, 09:09:18 AM
I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 09:13:25 AM
How many kids got slaughtered last year in schools?

My unofficial count is 6 in 2017 unless someone has an official number.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2018, 09:17:07 AM
How many kids got slaughtered last year in schools?

My unofficial count is 6 in 2017 unless someone has an official number.

My unofficial count is 42.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 09:22:38 AM
How many kids got slaughtered last year in schools?

My unofficial count is 6 in 2017 unless someone has an official number.

My unofficial count is 42.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

Very interesting, it doesn’t seem to jive at all with the school shootings Wikipedia page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 09:22:46 AM
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659


They really get a lot of use out of this headline...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659


They really get a lot of use out of this headline...
Yeah, they've been running that one for awhile now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 09:25:44 AM
NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.

Hmm... maybe we should implement some laws to regulate driving and maybe manufacture safer vehicles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2018, 09:25:55 AM
I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

nobody gives a crap. just close your eyes and hope it goes away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 09:27:18 AM
NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.

Hmm... maybe we should implement some laws to regulate driving and maybe manufacture safer vehicles.

Most definitely
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 09:29:46 AM
I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

I think a lot of it is that there have been so many of these that have been in the news that it now seems like a viable option for depressed, frustrated people.  I don't know of any way to solve that problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 09:30:45 AM
I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

nobody gives a crap. just close your eyes and hope it goes away
These comments help a ton too towards the movement!



It's way too soon to repeat memes and politicians guys

We've tried everything guys, nothing can be done. Kids being slaughtered in schools is just a fact of life.
You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  :thumbs: So brave.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 15, 2018, 09:38:14 AM
I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.



I agree that this is a complex issue with many factors at play.  One piece of the puzzle might be stricter enforcement of the current straw purchasing laws.  It would appear that straw purchasers go largely unpunished in these cases.


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We will probably learn in the coming days how the shooter obtained his gun. A recent Washington Post study found that 168 guns used in mass shootings were obtained legally; 48 were obtained illegally. If we must discuss gun control after an event like this, let us contemplate more consistent prosecution of straw buyers. Members of Congress have pressed the Department of Justice to make this a higher priority for years. U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones told a Congressional panel in 2013 that out of 48,321 cases involving straw buyers, the Justice Department prosecuted only 44 of them — saying that “hard decisions” to prosecute were made based on “limited resources.” Even when the straw purchasers are prosecuted, the punishments are often much more lenient than the public might expect. Last year, Simone Mousheh purchased four weapons for $600 each and sold two to a man with Chicago gang ties. She was sentenced to 12 months probation,  15 days in the Cook County sheriff’s work alternative program and ordered to pay $679 in fines

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/456456/if-you-see-something-say-something-only-works-if-authorities-do-something
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 15, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  :thumbs: So brave.

I would welcome statistics regarding T's & P's effect on future gun violence but the government won't fund that research.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 09:43:11 AM
You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  :thumbs: So brave.

I would welcome statistics regarding T's & P's effect on future gun violence but the government won't fund that research.
So brave, chi. Keep fighting the fight.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2018, 09:43:28 AM
You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  :thumbs: So brave.

I would welcome statistics regarding T's & P's effect on future gun violence but the government won't fund that research.

rough ridin' NRA, man.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 09:47:53 AM
IF ONLY WE KNEW!!!

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/15/nikolas-cruz-threatened-murder-mass-shooting-youtube/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.

Hmm... maybe we should implement some laws to regulate driving and maybe manufacture safer vehicles.

require licensing and background checks for people who drive buses
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 09:49:43 AM
Whole lotta people trolling it up in here over a tragedy.

I’d like to know more about....
1. How he acquired the weapon.
2. How he had access to the school.
3. What security did the school have and how did they respond.
4. What did people (law enforcement, health, school, etc.) know about this lunatic and when did they know it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 09:49:58 AM
yes very good idea
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
First, ban all guns.  Then, take all the time needed to figure out all of life's mysteries about people.  Once all those are solved, if it's clear america can handle guns, lift the ban.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 09:58:40 AM
Whole lotta people trolling it up in here over a tragedy.

I’d like to know more about....
1. How he acquired the weapon.
2. How he had access to the school.
3. What security did the school have and how did they respond.
4. What did people (law enforcement, health, school, etc.) know about this lunatic and when did they know it.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/nikolas-cruz-legally-purchased-ar-15-despite-long-history-of-mental-illness-warnings-10089980

Quote
Everyone knew Nikolas Cruz was deeply disturbed. He'd been in and out of mental health treatment. He'd been kicked out of school. His Instagram page was full of photos of dead animals and weapons. He was so frightening to teachers that he'd been banned from even carrying a backpack into school.

So how does a guy like that get his hands on a military-style weapon capable of pumping dozens of rounds into innocent victims without even reloading? Well, this is Florida, so he just walks into a gun shop and buys one.

Jim Lewis, an attorney for Cruz's family, tells reporters this morning that the 19-year-old had legally purchased the weapon of mass destruction that killed 17 people yesterday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

“It was his gun,” family lawyer Jim Lewis said. “The family made him keep it in a locked gun cabinet in the house, but he had a key.”

[...]
It's not clear exactly why Cruz was booted from school, but classmates say it was for fighting and bringing bullets and knives to school. A teacher said the faculty had been warned not to let him on campus with a backpack.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 10:12:21 AM
Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 10:21:12 AM
I agree that secure entrances is a top priority but I’m guessing that it’s really expensive and not trivial amount that most districts could absorb
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2018, 10:24:27 AM
i legit thought you had to be 21 to buy a gun. my goodness
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 15, 2018, 10:26:47 AM
No, just 21 for alcohol because that stuff is dangerous and can kill people


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2018, 10:27:20 AM
21 to buy a handgun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 10:30:28 AM
My dad had me take hunter safety when I was 12 and got me a shotgun to go hunting. I think I used it once because I hated it. It's been like this since about 1776.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 10:30:55 AM
i legit thought you had to be 21 to buy a gun. my goodness
People go into the army at 18. Come on, Mocat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 10:32:34 AM
I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

1) must have a license and register all guns. this includes a license and registration fee paid annually. this money can be used to combat the "mental illness problem" we have instead of the "gun problem"   :rolleyes:
2) some sort of legal ramifications if the guns you own and have registered are used in a crime
3) some sort of legal ramifications if you own a non registered gun
4) outlaw semi automatic assault rifles. nobody can be obtuse enough to argue that their AR-15 is a defense against a tyrannical government.

5) do away with all of the gun show/pawn shop/personal sale backdoors to gun ownership. all gun sales/purchases are registered and require the license noted above. you need a license and pay for registration for a car, you need a license and registration to own a gun.

obviously none of that's going to stop gun violence in our country, but it'll slow it and they're self funding preventative measures.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 15, 2018, 10:39:19 AM
My boys play call of duty type games every waking hour they aren’t in school, this is what everyone should be doing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 15, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
If you aren’t desensitizing young jellyheads to bump stock murder you aren’t doing it right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on February 15, 2018, 10:58:22 AM
Tubesock, shut up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2018, 11:00:22 AM
i legit thought you had to be 21 to buy a gun. my goodness
People go into the army at 18. Come on, Mocat.

there is a ton of stuff you can do in the military that you can't if you're a civilian
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on February 15, 2018, 11:31:30 AM
Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

This is the richest thing from the guy who essentially wants to strangle public schools in a bathtub. Gee, wonder why they are struggling to make ends meet. As if tons of extracurricular activities haven't already gotten a giant ax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
with all the money oklahoma is saving by only having school 4 days a week you think they could hire some retired pro wrestlers or whatever to just stand at the door
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 15, 2018, 12:36:32 PM
Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

This is the richest thing from the guy who essentially wants to strangle public schools in a bathtub. Gee, wonder why they are struggling to make ends meet. As if tons of extracurricular activities haven't already gotten a giant ax.

A frivolous wall seems like a bigger waste of money than extracurricular activities
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 15, 2018, 01:01:53 PM
Good thread by Tapper.  So many red flags on this maniac.


https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/964200355612512256
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 01:04:14 PM
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659


They really get a lot of use out of this headline...
Yeah, they've been running that one for awhile now.

I'm almost positive they run it every time there's a mass shooting. So, like, at minimum six times a year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 01:11:54 PM
I mean why didn't the kids report him more....they are the real root cause here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 01:13:19 PM
I mean why didn't the kids report him more....they are the real root cause here.

Certainly makes you wonder
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 01:20:39 PM
One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
Holy crap this thread:

https://twitter.com/respectablelaw/status/964187511017869316
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2018, 01:22:23 PM
sounds like these 17 kids got on the wrong side of this guy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.
Dear leader laid this at the feet of the kids....dunno
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2018, 01:59:43 PM
Good people on both sides

https://twitter.com/AP/status/964197379141455872
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 02:01:29 PM
Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2018, 02:03:42 PM
Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

They might have merited surveillance, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2018, 02:11:56 PM
I think being in a white nationalist militia who thinks they are paramilitary would be a good flag
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2018, 02:14:15 PM
Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

They might have merited surveillance, though.

True, but to what end? Someone assigned to him 24/7? Perpetual surveillance warrant? It probably would have worked here, but seems either ineffective or an inefficient use of resources on a larger scale. Not to mention a seemingly unconstitutional invasion of privacy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2018, 02:15:53 PM
Because of gE the ernie barnett statue is under 24/7 surveillance
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

They might have merited surveillance, though.

True, but to what end? Someone assigned to him 24/7? Perpetual surveillance warrant? It probably would have worked here, but seems either ineffective or an inefficient use of resources on a larger scale. Not to mention a seemingly unconstitutional invasion of privacy.

I think it would probably work similarly to the surveillance that was used to stop the terrorist attack in Garden City a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on February 15, 2018, 02:20:46 PM
I think being in a white nationalist militia who thinks they are paramilitary would be a good flag
That's like 90% of NRA'rs
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
I also enjoy the "private citizens aren't funding enough research" argument.

Who said anything about private citizens?

The point being, there are endowments and foundations all over the country that are pumping millions upon millions of dollars into the research coffers of research universities.   But if you want to believe that having one of those myriad of entities contribute money to research gun violence (knowing full well many fund all kinds of research on social issues all the time) is just a bridge too rough ridin' far, then knock yourself out. 

Hey, we've got a real problem with gun violence.   Welp, the political situation in Washington isn't conducive to get funding appropriated through federal government channels right now.   Well, okay then (insert multi-million dollar endowment/foundation/state agency name here) should just keep funding research on (insert inane extramural research funding project here).



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 02:33:18 PM
Foxnews going HAM on FBI dropping the ball. Man who would have thought the right would turn into such a FBI hating team....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/373974-kimmel-writer-tweets-the-amount-lawmakers-have-taken-from-nra-in-response-to
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2018, 02:41:32 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/373974-kimmel-writer-tweets-the-amount-lawmakers-have-taken-from-nra-in-response-to

good for her. too bad we already decided not to do anything about it. just gotta hope these types of things just go away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2018, 02:52:07 PM
Welp, the political situation in Washington isn't conducive to get funding appropriated through federal government channels right now.   Well, okay then (insert multi-million dollar endowment/foundation/state agency name here) should just keep funding research on (insert inane extramural research funding project here).

https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/963939574908182528
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
https://twitter.com/VeronicaRochaLA/status/964236878017839104
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mhkpasa on February 15, 2018, 03:30:35 PM
(https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/img/titleimage.png)

Realistic game!

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 04:31:12 PM
Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

This is the richest thing from the guy who essentially wants to strangle public schools in a bathtub. Gee, wonder why they are struggling to make ends meet. As if tons of extracurricular activities haven't already gotten a giant ax.

I don’t know what it is about events like these that cause people to get extra trolly, but please. Stop being an bad person.

As I said, securing school entrances should be a top priority. I could put my hands on any school budget and scrape together 200-300k for secure entrances (this is what it cost to outfit my kids’ elementary school a few years ago). I might start by firing a few assistant principals and other unnecessary administration. There are literally dozens and dozens of expenditures that are less important than securing entrances. I question the motivation of school administrators that would rather parlay this needed security into a demand for more funding rather than finding the money in their budgets.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 04:36:20 PM
Good thread by Tapper.  So many red flags on this maniac.


https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/964200355612512256

To be fair, the FBI is severely understaffed. They’ve got their hands full concocting and then “foiling” terrorist attacks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 04:40:26 PM
Didn't this happen just as or after school had let out?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 04:43:37 PM
not if school gets out around 2:30 PM EST.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
Didn't this happen just as or after school had let out?

To your point, secure entrances are certainly not a cureall as it doesn’t do much to stop a shooting timed to coincide with mass entrances and exits, but it’s a start.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 04:54:32 PM
Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

This is the richest thing from the guy who essentially wants to strangle public schools in a bathtub. Gee, wonder why they are struggling to make ends meet. As if tons of extracurricular activities haven't already gotten a giant ax.

I don’t know what it is about events like these that cause people to get extra trolly, but please. Stop being an bad person.

As I said, securing school entrances should be a top priority. I could put my hands on any school budget and scrape together 200-300k for secure entrances (this is what it cost to outfit my kids’ elementary school a few years ago). I might start by firing a few assistant principals and other unnecessary administration. There are literally dozens and dozens of expenditures that are less important than securing entrances. I question the motivation of school administrators that would rather parlay this needed security into a demand for more funding rather than finding the money in their budgets.

There are ~100k public schools in America + 34k private schools x $300,000....$40B+....maybe that should be what we use that extra defense budget money being requested, since you know, we can't even fathom doing anything else about the weapons used to commit these murders.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 04:59:17 PM
How we going to do the college campuses?  Entry points at every sidewalk onto campus or just into buildings?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 15, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
i'm surprised school shootings are still even competitive in the mass shooting game. I thought pulse and vegas would have put them out of business.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 05:09:16 PM
Also most California schools are open campuses.

But let's be real, we're not going to do anything ever and we should just accept it and hope our kids aren't at the school where someone decided to start shooting students
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 15, 2018, 05:11:43 PM
Looks like he just walked in to the school with a duffel bag and started shooting.  Then ditched the gear and fled with the rest of the students.  Stopped for some McDonald's afterwards.


Insane.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-shooting.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 05:12:05 PM
Also most California schools are open campuses.

But let's be real, we're not going to do anything ever and we should just accept it and hope our kids aren't at the school where someone decided to start shooting students

We're going to get good at building walls so should be some subcontractors out there that can build mini-walls for these schools. 

We're taking care of the mental health aspect by cutting medicare, so solved on that front....the only thing left is to lock down these schools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 05:21:53 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-shooting.html

I'm lost on the timing.  I'd seen something to this effect yesterday, which is why I was under the impression it was when school let out:

Quote
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said the school resource officer was on campus but did not run into Mr. Cruz. The gunman arrived during dismissal, when the campus was “fairly open,” according to Robert W. Runcie, the superintendent of the Broward County Public Schools.

But I see in the same article and plenty of others that kids were in classes when shots started, and have also seen that school was ongoing but they were exiting the building b/c of a fire alarm.

Anyway, little piecemeal "fixes" aren't going to stop someone with a gun.  America needs to do what all the other countries do that don't have these problems, including taking everyone's guns if that's what it comes down to.  I'm fine w/forfeiting mine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
Also most California schools are open campuses.

But let's be real, we're not going to do anything ever and we should just accept it and hope our kids aren't at the school where someone decided to start shooting students

We're going to get good at building walls so should be some subcontractors out there that can build mini-walls for these schools. 

We're taking care of the mental health aspect by cutting medicare, so solved on that front....the only thing left is to lock down these schools.

Conflating this tragedy with Trump’s Wall is an especially good piece of trolling. You should be very proud of yourself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 05:27:10 PM
Trying to flesh out your solution. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.
Dear leader laid this at the feet of the kids....dunno

What a surprise, another use of the tragedy to slam Trump! Interestingly, Terri Moses is not coming under fire for making the same. exact. point. Probably because it is common freaking sense, and no sane person would ever equate such prudence as blaming the victims.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article200362704.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article200362704.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 05:39:04 PM
One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.
Dear leader laid this at the feet of the kids....dunno

What a surprise, another use of the tragedy to slam Trump! Interestingly, Terri Moses is not coming under fire for making the same. exact. point. Probably because it is common freaking sense, and no sane person would ever equate such prudence as blaming the victims.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article200362704.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article200362704.html)

I don't know who da fuq that is but pretty sure she isn't my president.  Saying people should speak up in general seems a little different than tweeting out the day after a tragedy that these specific kids that knew of this threat didn't report to authorities "again and again"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
maybe Terri Moses isn't coming under fire because no one knows who he or she is, other than that he or she is not the president of the united states :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2018, 06:12:16 PM
I'm pretty "plugged in" but I, also, have never heard of Terri Moses
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.
Dear leader laid this at the feet of the kids....dunno

What a surprise, another use of the tragedy to slam Trump! Interestingly, Terri Moses is not coming under fire for making the same. exact. point. Probably because it is common freaking sense, and no sane person would ever equate such prudence as blaming the victims.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article200362704.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article200362704.html)

I don't know who da fuq that is but pretty sure she isn't my president.  Saying people should speak up in general seems a little different than tweeting out the day after a tragedy that these specific kids that knew of this threat didn't report to authorities "again and again"

First, you are deliberately distorting what trump said. Second, Terri Moses is the director of safety services for USD 259, and she made these comments in the wake of the shooting. The comments are absolutely commmon sense and only the most diseased partisan troll would critics her, or Trump, for pointing out the obvious.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 06:25:41 PM
Diseased. Lol.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 06:32:22 PM
All gE aside, obviously being aware and alerting to potential dangerous situations can't hurt....trump just has a really bad way of expressing even what are sane thoughts at the wrong time and way.  Will alerting authorities stop all of these?  No.  Could it be abused?  Sure.

Just like sensible gun control laws....will it stop every murder?  No.  Could they be gotten around?  Sure....but shouldn't we try them?  Or are we just going to put it all on fortifying schools and others alerting authorities to potential threats?  Can't it be all of them?

Now can we explore your fortifying schools plan more and where we are going to get this money?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
Does anyone here have an issue with any of this? Why do your elected officials?


1) must have a license and register all guns. this includes a license and registration fee paid annually. this money can be used to combat the "mental illness problem" we have instead of the "gun problem"   
2) some sort of legal ramifications if the guns you own and have registered are used in a crime
3) some sort of legal ramifications if you own a non registered gun
4) outlaw semi automatic assault rifles. nobody can be obtuse enough to argue that their AR-15 is a defense against a tyrannical government.

5) do away with all of the gun show/pawn shop/personal sale backdoors to gun ownership. all gun sales/purchases are registered and require the license noted above. you need a license and pay for registration for a car, you need a license and registration to own a gun.

obviously none of that's going to stop gun violence in our country, but it'll slow it and they're self funding preventative measures.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyRichter/status/963954283375943683
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 07:53:13 PM
look at andy richter politicizing this tragedy smdh too soon
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 07:54:32 PM
This probably goes in the mental health problem thread and not the gun problem thread but...

Quote
So many of these shooters turn out to be communist democrats, that I suspect they are doing these things to push for gun control so they can more easily take over the country.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article200294174.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2018, 07:55:29 PM
All gE aside, obviously being aware and alerting to potential dangerous situations can't hurt....trump just has a really bad way of expressing even what are sane thoughts at the wrong time and way.  Will alerting authorities stop all of these?  No.  Could it be abused?  Sure.

Just like sensible gun control laws....will it stop every murder?  No.  Could they be gotten around?  Sure....but shouldn't we try them?  Or are we just going to put it all on fortifying schools and others alerting authorities to potential threats?  Can't it be all of them?

Now can we explore your fortifying schools plan more and where we are going to get this money?

I already explained where I would get the money, troll. You would rather use dead schoolkids to clammor for more spending instead of prioritizing how we use current funds. Whatever, continue with your blather.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 08:05:38 PM
All gE aside, obviously being aware and alerting to potential dangerous situations can't hurt....trump just has a really bad way of expressing even what are sane thoughts at the wrong time and way.  Will alerting authorities stop all of these?  No.  Could it be abused?  Sure.

Just like sensible gun control laws....will it stop every murder?  No.  Could they be gotten around?  Sure....but shouldn't we try them?  Or are we just going to put it all on fortifying schools and others alerting authorities to potential threats?  Can't it be all of them?

Now can we explore your fortifying schools plan more and where we are going to get this money?

I already explained where I would get the money, troll. You would rather use dead schoolkids to clammor for more spending instead of prioritizing how we use current funds. Whatever, continue with your blather.

It is your claim that every school budget has $300k in excess spending?

I actually am not clamoring for more spending...I'm trying to get your solution to work....I'd charge every gun owner a registration & licensing fee annually as well as fines for your gun being used for murder to help pay for the damage guns cause in our society, much like we do for cars.....but we can't move an inch on that so I'm trying to work with your solution.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 08:08:34 PM
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2018, 08:08:38 PM
not if school gets out around 2:30 PM EST.
The high schools on my side of Florida start at 7:00 AM and get out at 2:30.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 08:11:05 PM
Ok. I think I read a report where he got dropped off by Uber at 2:19 and the first shots were reported at 2:22. So I guess that would make sense.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 08:14:04 PM
The honest truth is not nearly enough people are dying every year to make anything change. We as a society are very much ok with ~ 40 kids a year dying from guns in exchange for owning firearms pretty much unrestricted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 08:15:52 PM
The honest truth is not nearly enough people are dying every year to make anything change. We as a society are very much ok with ~ 40 kids a year dying from guns in exchange for owning firearms pretty much unrestricted.

yes, just a fact of life. It's seriously an insignificant number it's just kinda scary. Kinda like terrorism but worse and we do less about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 08:25:28 PM
my 1.5 year old has practice at daycare to get in her "bunny hole" for active shooter drills
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2018, 08:26:34 PM
The honest truth is not nearly enough people are dying every year to make anything change. We as a society are very much ok with ~ 40 kids a year dying from guns in exchange for owning firearms pretty much unrestricted.

yes, just a fact of life. It's seriously an insignificant number it's just kinda scary. Kinda like terrorism but worse and we do less about it.

8k gun related deaths but most of those are "thugs" and "drug dealers" so no reason to make any changes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2018, 08:31:06 PM
Doesn't the government have quite a history of doing things for absolutely no good reason?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 15, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
The honest truth is not nearly enough people are dying every year to make anything change. We as a society are very much ok with ~ 40 kids a year dying from guns in exchange for owning firearms pretty much unrestricted.

yes, just a fact of life. It's seriously an insignificant number it's just kinda scary. Kinda like terrorism but worse and we do less about it.

we just need to stop putting them on the news so much.  there was actually a good interview on 1a this morning about how stupid humans are with stuff they see/here on the news.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 15, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
https://the1a.org/shows/2018-02-14/steven-pinker-looks-at-the-bright-side
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2018, 08:44:41 PM
I think it's a good thing for compassion to sometimes trump utility. We're not robots.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2018, 09:00:04 PM
The honest truth is not nearly enough people are dying every year to make anything change. We as a society are very much ok with ~ 40 kids a year dying from guns in exchange for owning firearms pretty much unrestricted.

yes, just a fact of life. It's seriously an insignificant number it's just kinda scary. Kinda like terrorism but worse and we do less about it.

Other than obvious stuff like tighter gun regulations and restrictions, I really don’t think we should be doing anything. I wish we did less about terrorism.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 09:10:22 PM
The honest truth is not nearly enough people are dying every year to make anything change. We as a society are very much ok with ~ 40 kids a year dying from guns in exchange for owning firearms pretty much unrestricted.

yes, just a fact of life. It's seriously an insignificant number it's just kinda scary. Kinda like terrorism but worse and we do less about it.

Other than obvious stuff like tighter gun regulations and restrictions, I really don’t think we should be doing anything. I wish we did less about terrorism.
I agree we should do less about terrorism and a little more about guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 09:14:51 PM
Weird to me that people don't consider any form of mass execution to be terrorism. Kill 57 people and injure 500+ from a Vegas hotel window? Nope, not terrorism
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 09:49:27 PM
Weird to me that people don't consider any form of mass execution to be terrorism. Kill 57 people and injure 500+ from a Vegas hotel window? Nope, not terrorism

only brown people commit terrorism
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
Good point, I forgot that everyone else is just mentally ill
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 09:54:57 PM
Posted in the political memes thread, but deserves to be immortalized here, too:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWDXwJxVwAENxp-.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2018, 10:27:19 PM
Welp, the political situation in Washington isn't conducive to get funding appropriated through federal government channels right now.   Well, okay then (insert multi-million dollar endowment/foundation/state agency name here) should just keep funding research on (insert inane extramural research funding project here).

https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/963939574908182528

Trying to think where I said the CDC wasn’t banned from gun research.  No, didn’t say anything the contrary.

When I get a chance Bucket I’ll look up some numbers on the total research expenditures every year at the top 200 research universities.  I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say some scrounge mcduck levels of money can be carved out of those billions upon billions dollars for a definitive level of gun research.  I’m gonna got out a limb and say schools with massive research centers and people can throw plenty of warm bodies at it without the government cheese.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 15, 2018, 11:24:40 PM
Committing mass acts of terror against an unsuspecting public also makes you a terrorist, dumbass
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 12:38:41 AM
stud(ent)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/opinions/florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 16, 2018, 12:42:53 AM
Committing mass acts of terror against an unsuspecting public also makes you a terrorist, dumbass

no it doesn't.  words have generally accepted meanings, sb, you can't unilaterally change how they are defined.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 16, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
RE: the NRA, it's a bit paradoxical, but when it comes to arms makers, there is nothing better than democrats in office and the imagined or real threat of gun control legislation. When pro-2nd-A pubs are in office, arms makers go into bankruptcy. So, is this really about the NRA? Or is this about stupid people?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2018, 04:58:07 AM
Rich white guy and Dem Hero Doug Jones, huge 2nd Amendment Guy. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2018, 06:41:16 AM
https://www.theonion.com/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attack-1819574361
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2018, 06:47:01 AM
https://www.theonion.com/new-school-shooter-drill-includes-practicing-pleas-to-l-1823049024
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on February 16, 2018, 07:08:10 AM
Is owning a machine gun like gun more important than the life of a child, or anyone else?  No, not any more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2018, 07:24:37 AM
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/15/1599e06bd7b11b9d1e3d414c4cfb97bd3ad4ed044ac06d4ec5625cf4d0d224ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 16, 2018, 08:18:19 AM
There are roughly 75,000,000 students kindergarten- college in the U.S. each year
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 16, 2018, 08:20:31 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on February 16, 2018, 08:21:30 AM
All gE aside, obviously being aware and alerting to potential dangerous situations can't hurt....trump just has a really bad way of expressing even what are sane thoughts at the wrong time and way.  Will alerting authorities stop all of these?  No.  Could it be abused?  Sure.

Just like sensible gun control laws....will it stop every murder?  No.  Could they be gotten around?  Sure....but shouldn't we try them?  Or are we just going to put it all on fortifying schools and others alerting authorities to potential threats?  Can't it be all of them?

Now can we explore your fortifying schools plan more and where we are going to get this money?

Trump doesn't express anything very well, agreed.

A lot of the security problems is the way schools were built up until the last 5-10 years. They weren't designed in most cases to have just one main entrance that is fairly secure and that is a necessity now. I work in a school built in the 50s and added on several times since, and there are entrances and doors all over. They are all locked, but it doesn't take much to get in if you really want to. We also have a SRO (school resource officer/police) all the time and 5-6 hall monitors. It helps, but there is no fail safe given our current circumstances.

I agree on something sensible for gun laws, enforcement of what already is on the books. steve dave and others have made posts that seem to address this very well, but its such a political football I'm not sure what it will take to really do something about it.

Also, I'm a pretty conservative guy that believes in "thoughts and prayers", but I completely agree that real, tangible action is necessary. To just tweet/post/say that now is so cliche and more has to be done.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 16, 2018, 08:25:52 AM
Is owning a machine gun like gun more important than the life of a child, or anyone else?  No, not any more.

Quote from: society
yes it most certainly is
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 16, 2018, 08:26:03 AM
There are roughly 75,000,000 students kindergarten- college in the U.S. each year

Of those 75 million 9350 will commit suicide this year
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 16, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
There are roughly 75,000,000 students kindergarten- college in the U.S. each year

Of those 75 million 9350 will commit suicide this year

That’s 25 deaths every day of the year
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 16, 2018, 08:40:27 AM
There are roughly 75,000,000 students kindergarten- college in the U.S. each year

Of those 75 million 9350 will commit suicide this year

That’s 25 deaths every day of the year

Holy crap, that’s over 168,000 kids since Columbine
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2018, 09:02:53 AM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 09:07:02 AM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 16, 2018, 09:14:38 AM
Idk why you would roll your eyes, that’s how you create change wacky.  T’s and P’s don’t just come out of thin air.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 09:29:47 AM
_Fan nailed it above. Getting butthurt over ppl saying T's & P's and also wanting change is a whole new kind of stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
What have you done to create change, TBT?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 09:36:53 AM
He has thought and prayed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

There's never been a suicide bombing at an ISIS meeting either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
He has thought and prayed
He definitely bitched about ppl doing it on the internet. #change
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

There's never been a suicide bombing at an ISIS meeting either.

Ever since more than one country had nuclear weapons they have never been used. So obviously all countries should have them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 09:47:36 AM
This timeline is crazy

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking-news/he-turned-school-into-slaughterhouse-then-stopped-at-mcdonalds/ar-BBJcgib?li=BBnb7Kz

I also don't understand him focusing on the Freshman hall first. You think if he had a beef with the school, it would be some ex classmates.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/grandmother-foils-teens-plot-to-carry-out-school-shooting/ar-BBJc9GA?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 16, 2018, 09:51:38 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

elementary school kids are clearly not packing enough heat

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 09:53:24 AM
This timeline is crazy

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking-news/he-turned-school-into-slaughterhouse-then-stopped-at-mcdonalds/ar-BBJcgib?li=BBnb7Kz

I also don't understand him focusing on the Freshman hall first. You think if he had a beef with the school, it would be some ex classmates.

Dude just wanted to let his AR do some slaughtering, alt right style.  freshmen put up less resistance
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 16, 2018, 09:58:11 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

elementary school kids are clearly not packing enough heat
Guns aren't the problem, it's just the tool used to inflict harm and death.
Get rid of guns, knives, anything that can be used to make a bomb and let's sit back and watch lunatics kill the innocent with clubs and rocks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: porky morgan on February 16, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
http://www.thegoparcade.com/game/thoughts-and-prayers-the-game
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 10:07:35 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 16, 2018, 10:08:19 AM
He has thought and prayed

It’s going to make meaningful change too :Woot:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 16, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.

i think it's just another hobby, very like watching kstate sports.  i'd have been pretty upset if someone had tried to take away kstate basketball, up until recently.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.

i think it's just another hobby, very like watching kstate sports.  i'd have been pretty upset if someone had tried to take away kstate basketball, up until recently.

That's the impression I have too.  And I think there are similarities, in how easy it is to find something else once one becomes tainted (?) or whatever.  But I need more data.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:17:53 AM
What have you done to create change, TBT?
This is dumb.  Don't be dumb.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 10:18:33 AM
So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 10:20:39 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

elementary school kids are clearly not packing enough heat
Guns aren't the problem, it's just the tool used to inflict harm and death.
Get rid of guns, knives, anything that can be used to make a bomb and let's sit back and watch lunatics kill the innocent with clubs and rocks.

these are just THE BEST
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

elementary school kids are clearly not packing enough heat
Guns aren't the problem, it's just the tool used to inflict harm and death.
Get rid of guns, knives, anything that can be used to make a bomb and let's sit back and watch lunatics kill the innocent with clubs and rocks.
I'll take my lunatics with a club, you take yours with a gun....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2018, 10:22:00 AM
Has anyone considered holding gun shows at schools everyday?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 16, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.
It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on February 16, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

elementary school kids are clearly not packing enough heat
Guns aren't the problem, it's just the tool used to inflict harm and death.
Get rid of guns, knives, anything that can be used to make a bomb and let's sit back and watch lunatics kill the innocent with clubs and rocks.

these are just THE BEST

I'll set my notifications the next time there is a mass stoning or clubbing. I bet I get tons of pings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:23:31 AM
Has anyone considered holding gun shows at schools everyday?
This has legs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:24:23 AM


Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

5 miles? Damn...good thing you were strapped.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.
It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.
What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 16, 2018, 10:28:06 AM


Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

5 miles? Damn...good thing you were strapped.
I can't help you understand what you don't want to understand.  Good luck in future endeavors and please stay safe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 10:30:48 AM
Perfectly said hellhammer

Quote
I can't help you understand what you don't want to understand.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2018, 10:31:39 AM
There's never been a shooting of any kind at a gun show.  Too many people with the means to protect themselves and others I guess.

elementary school kids are clearly not packing enough heat
Guns aren't the problem, it's just the tool used to inflict harm and death.
Get rid of guns, knives, anything that can be used to make a bomb and let's sit back and watch lunatics kill the innocent with clubs and rocks.

what do you think the body count would have been here had the guy had a knife, club, rocks, or even a shotgun?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

why wouldn't the rifle and shotgun help? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2018, 10:36:21 AM
Obviously hellhammer needs to place caches of rocks and clubs around his property since they are just as effective as rifles and shotguns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:36:48 AM


So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.
It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.
What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?

How cute, clams brought up a topic so wacky piled on!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 16, 2018, 10:37:22 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

why wouldn't the rifle and shotgun help?
Despite popular groupthink, the vast majority of gun owners don't have them "strapped" and pointed at anything that moves 24/7.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 10:39:06 AM


So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.
It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.
What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?

How cute, clams brought up a topic so wacky piled on!
lol wut? I came up with that myself. Your dear leader just keeps trying to add new shiny crap, without taking care of current existing problems in the city. So brave.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:39:52 AM


Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

5 miles? Damn...good thing you were strapped.
I can't help you understand what you don't want to understand.  Good luck in future endeavors and please stay safe.
Help me understand what?

I'm fine with people owning guns but it's weird to me that someone loose within 5 miles in the middle of nowhere makes you glad you had a gun....but those same gun owners want to make it easy for anybody to walk down the street with one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 16, 2018, 10:40:33 AM
If one thing is going to create change it’s bitching about people bitching about T’s and P’s on a message board in the middle of kansas.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:40:38 AM




So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.
It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.
What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?

How cute, clams brought up a topic so wacky piled on!
lol wut? I came up with that myself. Your dear leader just keeps trying to add new shiny crap, without taking care of current existing problems in the city. So brave.

Okay bud. Happy Friday!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 16, 2018, 10:40:51 AM
When you live in the middle of nowhere, 5 miles is very close, Phil. That's like 4 minutes away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:50:15 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.
 
It's natural for all species to protect themselves with the best means possible. 

We supposedly have knowledge and wisdom as tools to guide us.  Be it lessons from the founding fathers, Jews during Nazi Occupation, to the latest videos showing law abiding citizens thwarting criminals.

I grew up with guns.  I attended HS in a suburban community where just about every family had guns.  We were taught to respect guns like we would any piece of equipment, tractor, livestock etc. 

I also enjoy history.  Have been lucky enough to fire or observe several weapons from WW1 through WW2.  The engineering is fascinating.  The craftmanship is remarkable.
 
Many of you are still blaming the spoon for making people fat.
We regulate things that make people fat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 10:52:47 AM
I'll admit I'm not sure I understand what Hellhammer's point was with the armed crazy people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2018, 10:53:51 AM
Rusty, have you ever been within 5 miles of an armed crazy person?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 10:55:46 AM
Guys I'm starting to freak out thinking of all the CCW people within 5 miles of me rn
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Guys I'm starting to freak out thinking of all the CCW people within 5 miles of me rn

get an AR, you will be super relieved
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
Rusty, have you ever been within 5 miles of an armed crazy person?

I'm guessing I have
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 16, 2018, 11:10:37 AM
the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.
I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula. 

Cool, thanks.  So to you, your extra guns besides historic/hunting guns are simply what you think are a necessary home security system?

Is that it or would you still want the guns if you lived in a hypothetically more densely populated area or one where crazies weren't out and about?  In other words, if security was 100%, would you still want the guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
It's natural for all species to protect themselves with the best means possible. 

We supposedly have knowledge and wisdom as tools to guide us.  Be it lessons from the founding fathers, Jews during Nazi Occupation, to the latest videos showing law abiding citizens thwarting criminals.

I grew up with guns.  I attended HS in a suburban community where just about every family had guns.  We were taught to respect guns like we would any piece of equipment, tractor, livestock etc. 

I also enjoy history.  Have been lucky enough to fire or observe several weapons from WW1 through WW2.  The engineering is fascinating.  The craftmanship is remarkable.
 
Many of you are still blaming the spoon for making people fat.


T-Y.  You like having guns because of 1) security, 2) tradition and 3) history/collecting.  Anything else?  How would you weigh those values?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 11:14:33 AM
the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.

agreed, but for the Sub-urban dweller its a real problem
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 11:31:14 AM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void
Potato gun? Fireworks?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 16, 2018, 11:52:53 AM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void
Potato gun? Fireworks?

rexkwondo?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2018, 12:02:57 PM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

I do have my eyes on a set of jumbo truck nuts that would look great dangling off the back of my dodge
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 16, 2018, 12:05:44 PM
the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.

grew up 5 miles from a town of 100 people

never owned a gun, never needed one

 :th_twocents:

not saying someone else shouldn't either
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mhkpasa on February 16, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void

You're in luck!!
http://fox4kc.com/2018/02/16/kansas-lawmakers-consider-dont-tread-on-me-license-plates/

Quote
WICHITA, Kan. — Drivers would be able to choose a “Don’t Tread on Me” license plate under proposed legislation.

The Wichita Eagle reports that the state would model the plates after the Gadsden flag, which features a yellow background and hissing snake. It dates back to the Revolutionary War.

Republican Rep. Blake Carpenter, of Derby, is among the more than 30 sponsors. The flag has been popularized in recent years by the Tea Party movement, although Carpenter says it’s not intended to be associated with the political movement.

Carpenter says he finds the “historical context” appealing. American colonists liked the rattlesnake, which symbolized their willingness to strike back if provoked. Several states have their own version of the plates.

Kansas lawmakers also are seeking “Choose Life” and Special Olympics plates.
note: luked the Kansas thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

I do have my eyes on a set of jumbo truck nuts that would look great dangling off the back of my dodge

Now we’re talking! I know it might feel weird initially when you don’t have your AR, but there’s so many other fun things to dive into. I say get the mammoth nut(s)!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 12:12:44 PM
the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.
Agreed it's logical. I still can't understand how those who want a gun in their home for whatever really think they are going to walk around with one and have a legit chance of fighting off that rare attacker without blowing their own nuts off.

I've seen cops with decades of years in training make mistakes....any rookie Dirty Harry is going to make a bigger mess of things when they pull out their Widowmaker from their gut.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 16, 2018, 12:15:05 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyRichter/status/963954283375943683

i don't like these graphics when they poach just the good countries. i want to see a graph of ALL the countries so we can see which absolute trash ones we are similar to
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2018, 12:24:16 PM
Make America third world again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 16, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
Switzerland has to be mortified right now, they are basically a killing field.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27972755_10155908900506480_4320772358357664754_n.jpg?oh=6afcbd4e8caccf778628eccb211ced0f&oe=5B175056)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 16, 2018, 12:39:58 PM
Man, FBI...


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/964553224652025856
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 16, 2018, 12:40:50 PM
https://ia.meaww.com/read/news/south-carolina-student-arrested-after-posting-a-picture-on-snapchat-captioned-round-2-of-florida-tomorrow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 16, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
We don’t have a gun problem we have an FBI problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 12:45:24 PM
https://ia.meaww.com/read/news/south-carolina-student-arrested-after-posting-a-picture-on-snapchat-captioned-round-2-of-florida-tomorrow


violating his first AND second amendment rights. smh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
It's time

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/964571930429935617
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 16, 2018, 12:51:29 PM
We don’t have a gun problem we have an FBI problem.


I'm gonna go with both.


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/964554901287092224
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 16, 2018, 12:57:12 PM
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27972755_10155908900506480_4320772358357664754_n.jpg?oh=6afcbd4e8caccf778628eccb211ced0f&oe=5B175056)

oh my god
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
it's amazing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 01:29:25 PM
This clarified the classes/dismissal/fire alarm timeline thing for me.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 16, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
https://twitter.com/DianneG/status/964554009762820096
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 16, 2018, 01:58:57 PM
thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void
Potato gun? Fireworks?
Corvette
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 02:08:06 PM
It's natural for all species to protect themselves with the best means possible. 

We supposedly have knowledge and wisdom as tools to guide us.  Be it lessons from the founding fathers, Jews during Nazi Occupation, to the latest videos showing law abiding citizens thwarting criminals.

I grew up with guns.  I attended HS in a suburban community where just about every family had guns.  We were taught to respect guns like we would any piece of equipment, tractor, livestock etc. 

I also enjoy history.  Have been lucky enough to fire or observe several weapons from WW1 through WW2.  The engineering is fascinating.  The craftmanship is remarkable.
 
Many of you are still blaming the spoon for making people fat.


T-Y.  You like having guns because of 1) security, 2) tradition and 3) history/collecting.  Anything else?  How would you weigh those values?

I like guns because of 2 and 3. 

Point 1 is more about culture. 
I was blessed to have strong role models growing up.  You were expected to be personally responsible and help others.  The people I tend to admire/emulate have sacrificed in some capacity to make the world better. 

Responsible ownership/handling of firearms has been ingrained in me from cub scouts, through military service, to present day.  I am not mentally wired with the desire/fascination to hurt others.  The people I shoot with share those values. 

I've had friends that have killed themselves with guns, cars, and drugs.  I don't blame the method they used, I blame their choice. 

Giving up my right/responsibility to defend myself and others is a non starter.   


You should get rid of your guns and collect historical artifacts that relate to your family lineage.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 02:14:01 PM


I like guns because of 2 and 3. 

Point 1 is more about culture. 
I was blessed to have strong role models growing up.  You were expected to be personally responsible and help others.  The people I tend to admire/emulate have sacrificed in some capacity to make the world better. 

Responsible ownership/handling of firearms has been ingrained in me from cub scouts, through military service, to present day.  I am not mentally wired with the desire/fascination to hurt others.  The people I shoot with share those values. 

I've had friends that have killed themselves with guns, cars, and drugs.  I don't blame the method they used, I blame their choice. 

Giving up my right/responsibility to defend myself and others is a non starter.   


:lol:


(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/dd/dde01a7a92aa19b4972b4fb097b332686e4ba1f0771b47994b0f28c71f175383.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
It's natural for all species to protect themselves with the best means possible. 

We supposedly have knowledge and wisdom as tools to guide us.  Be it lessons from the founding fathers, Jews during Nazi Occupation, to the latest videos showing law abiding citizens thwarting criminals.

I grew up with guns.  I attended HS in a suburban community where just about every family had guns.  We were taught to respect guns like we would any piece of equipment, tractor, livestock etc. 

I also enjoy history.  Have been lucky enough to fire or observe several weapons from WW1 through WW2.  The engineering is fascinating.  The craftmanship is remarkable.
 
Many of you are still blaming the spoon for making people fat.


T-Y.  You like having guns because of 1) security, 2) tradition and 3) history/collecting.  Anything else?  How would you weigh those values?

I like guns because of 2 and 3. 

Point 1 is more about culture. 
I was blessed to have strong role models growing up.  You were expected to be personally responsible and help others.  The people I tend to admire/emulate have sacrificed in some capacity to make the world better. 

Responsible ownership/handling of firearms has been ingrained in me from cub scouts, through military service, to present day.  I am not mentally wired with the desire/fascination to hurt others.  The people I shoot with share those values. 

I've had friends that have killed themselves with guns, cars, and drugs.  I don't blame the method they used, I blame their choice. 

Giving up my right/responsibility to defend myself and others is a non starter.   

no one has ever proposed taking your hunting rifle and shotgun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on February 16, 2018, 02:17:08 PM
I have two AR-15's. I have them because I grew up shooting guns and like to shoot guns at paper. They are a sports car of the gun world that serves no purpose in the home defense or hunting world. They are currently legal so I own them. If there was legislation being suggested to outlaw them I would not protest against that. Should they become illegal I would willingly turn them in as long as I am reimbursed financially (IE tax credits or straight cash homie).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 02:20:35 PM
If you ever catch a situation on tv and someone throws a McIntyre plaid kilt at the perpetrator; know it was me following your advice.
 :)

You’d narrowed your penchant for guns to tradition and history/collecting. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 16, 2018, 02:42:52 PM
It's time

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/964571930429935617

I can't imagine feeling good about dropping my daughter off at Kindergarten and her teacher is packing. Good grief.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2018, 02:48:40 PM
I have two AR-15's. I have them because I grew up shooting guns and like to shoot guns at paper. They are a sports car of the gun world that serves no purpose in the home defense or hunting world. They are currently legal so I own them. If there was legislation being suggested to outlaw them I would not protest against that. Should they become illegal I would willingly turn them in as long as I am reimbursed financially (IE tax credits or straight cash homie).

Yeah, you’d have to get paid. And then you could take up the top golf adjace thing there if it ever happens.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.
Hypothetically, I could agree to some extent.  I see the tragedy of Chicago and it only strengthens my resolve on the rights of self protection.  The intentional failure of politicians to allow this carnage.  A press that downplays the problem because it shames their own.  I see the consequences of a moral breakdown of the community.   

What tragedy of Chicago are you referring to? KCMO and KCK have higher murder rates most years, no matter what Sean Hannity has told you about Chicago being a war-torn shithole.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2018, 03:33:59 PM
especially if it was in all white trash in the back of some gross jeans
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 16, 2018, 03:39:26 PM
It's time

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/964571930429935617

I can't imagine feeling good about dropping my daughter off at Kindergarten and her teacher is packing. Good grief.

I remember multiple times kids stealing cigarettes out of teacher's purses in elementary school.  Those little shits would have their hands on the gun within a week.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2018, 03:43:37 PM
Well Republicans have never seemed to care about the accidental deaths and suicides which make up the vast majority of gun deaths, so I think they’d be totally on board with arming kindergarteners to the teeth if it meant preventing even one mass shooting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on February 16, 2018, 03:54:47 PM
It's time

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/964571930429935617

I can't imagine feeling good about dropping my daughter off at Kindergarten and her teacher is packing. Good grief.

I remember multiple times kids stealing cigarettes out of teacher's purses in elementary school.  Those little shits would have their hands on the gun within a week.
One would get left in the bathroom on day one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 16, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
Well Republicans have never seemed to care about the accidental deaths and suicides which make up the vast majority of gun deaths, so I think they’d be totally on board with arming kindergarteners to the teeth if it meant preventing even one mass shooting.

What complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 16, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
It's time

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/964571930429935617

I can't imagine feeling good about dropping my daughter off at Kindergarten and her teacher is packing. Good grief.

I remember multiple times kids stealing cigarettes out of teacher's purses in elementary school.  Those little shits would have their hands on the gun within a week.
One would get left in the bathroom on day one.
I can't think of a worse picture to include in that story/tweet than someone pulling a gun from their back waistband.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Well Republicans have never seemed to care about the accidental deaths and suicides which make up the vast majority of gun deaths, so I think they’d be totally on board with arming kindergarteners to the teeth if it meant preventing even one mass shooting.

What complete bullshit.

It's okay, they can just send them thoughts and prayers and everything will be okay
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2018, 04:05:15 PM
I keep seeing suicide brought up in this thread and on Twitter as a part of the "gun violence" problem. This strikes me as disingenuous, given that the "victim" of this violence is the same as the perpetrator. The may not be in a perfectly lucid mental state, but to lump that in with gun violence in which the victim has no agency is wrong.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
I keep seeing suicide brought up in this thread and on Twitter as a part of the "gun violence" problem. This strikes me as disingenuous, given that the "victim" of this violence is the same as the perpetrator. The may not be in a perfectly lucid mental state, but to lump that in with gun violence in which the victim has no agency is wrong.

True. However, committing suicide is way easier to complete successfully in a fleeting, impulsive moment of bad judgment if guns are around than if they aren't around, so that's why they're mentioned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 16, 2018, 04:09:36 PM
Well Republicans have never seemed to care about the accidental deaths and suicides which make up the vast majority of gun deaths, so I think they’d be totally on board with arming kindergarteners to the teeth if it meant preventing even one mass shooting.

What complete bullshit.

It's okay, they can just send them thoughts and prayers and everything will be okay

Right because Republican's are the only ones that do that.   :roll eyes: (ftp://:roll eyes:)  And CNN can continue to glorify these killings by continuing to talk about it 24/7
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2018, 04:22:35 PM
I keep seeing suicide brought up in this thread and on Twitter as a part of the "gun violence" problem. This strikes me as disingenuous, given that the "victim" of this violence is the same as the perpetrator. The may not be in a perfectly lucid mental state, but to lump that in with gun violence in which the victim has no agency is wrong.

True. However, committing suicide is way easier to complete successfully in a fleeting, impulsive moment of bad judgment if guns are around than if they aren't around, so that's why they're mentioned.
I understand and believe that entirely, but many countries with strict gun laws have similar (or significantly higher) suicide rates, so it doesn't seem to make much of an impact in the death count in the end.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
I keep seeing suicide brought up in this thread and on Twitter as a part of the "gun violence" problem. This strikes me as disingenuous, given that the "victim" of this violence is the same as the perpetrator. The may not be in a perfectly lucid mental state, but to lump that in with gun violence in which the victim has no agency is wrong.

True. However, committing suicide is way easier to complete successfully in a fleeting, impulsive moment of bad judgment if guns are around than if they aren't around, so that's why they're mentioned.
I understand and believe that entirely, but many countries with strict gun laws have similar (or significantly higher) suicide rates, so it doesn't seem to make much of an impact in the death count in the end.

link?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2018, 04:26:47 PM
I keep seeing suicide brought up in this thread and on Twitter as a part of the "gun violence" problem. This strikes me as disingenuous, given that the "victim" of this violence is the same as the perpetrator. The may not be in a perfectly lucid mental state, but to lump that in with gun violence in which the victim has no agency is wrong.

True. However, committing suicide is way easier to complete successfully in a fleeting, impulsive moment of bad judgment if guns are around than if they aren't around, so that's why they're mentioned.
I understand and believe that entirely, but many countries with strict gun laws have similar (or significantly higher) suicide rates, so it doesn't seem to make much of an impact in the death count in the end.

link?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/world-suicide-rate-map-2014-4
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 16, 2018, 05:46:11 PM
In American culture, suicide is stigmatized and murder is glorified. This in one factor in our Great Mental Health Problem
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
young adult suicide is absolutely something we should spend more money on. everyone should have the right to not live anymore, but children aren't ready to make that decision imo. that said, wtf is it doing in the thread about children being gunned down by assault rifles in school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 09:09:40 PM
young adult suicide is absolutely something we should spend more money on. everyone should have the right to not live anymore, but children aren't ready to make that decision imo. that said, wtf is it doing in the thread about children being gunned down by assault rifles in school?
Someone was pissed that gun suicides at schools counted as school shootings
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 09:27:35 PM
I saw a good idea on Twitter today that I hadn't seen before: mandatory insurance for gun owners

https://twitter.com/edwardsforpa/status/964601090930106368
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 16, 2018, 09:38:17 PM
one of the things i understand less than almost anything else is people that decide to kill themselves and don't choose to do so by overdosing on morphine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 09:39:56 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
one of the things i understand less than almost anything else is people that decide to kill themselves and don't choose to do so by overdosing on morphine.

probably easier to get a gun than a lethal dose of morphine
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 16, 2018, 09:45:01 PM
you only kill yourself once.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 16, 2018, 09:49:22 PM
If we (America) are ever going to fix this, we need to invest some honest effort in completely answering the two biggest questions:

This kid would not have shot all those people to death if he didn't have a gun. Why did he have a gun?

This kid would not have shot all those people to death if he didn't want to. Why did he want to?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
One side would be happy to address both of those, and one side will not allow it. I'll let you take a guess which one's which.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 16, 2018, 10:33:36 PM
One side would be happy to address both of those, and one side will not allow it. I'll let you take a guess which one's which.
Does one side think that 17 people could easily be shot to death with a stone or club?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 11:59:14 PM
"NOPE THAT WOULD NEVER WORK, BETTER NOT EVEN INVESTIGATE ANYTHING FURTHER!" --every #2A bad person
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 17, 2018, 01:27:01 AM
Nothing like a shooting to pull the foot out of a sock
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 17, 2018, 07:29:25 AM
Getting the insurance industry involved in more parts of life rather than fewer is a pretty WTF idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2018, 07:55:23 AM
Getting the insurance industry involved in more parts of life rather than fewer is a pretty WTF idea.
why
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 17, 2018, 07:59:16 AM
Getting the insurance industry involved in more parts of life rather than fewer is a pretty WTF idea.
why
The insurance industry has had a toxic effect on our healthcare system, and I would expect it to act similarly here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2018, 08:14:57 AM
Getting the insurance industry involved in more parts of life rather than fewer is a pretty WTF idea.
why
The insurance industry has had a toxic effect on our healthcare system, and I would expect it to act similarly here.
Still pretty vague and not a great comparison.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Woogy on February 17, 2018, 08:53:59 AM
National Flood Insurance Program.
Doesn't stop floods or losses; at risk redevelopment can be wink-wink, nudge-nudge approved.

I suppose it would work if we're going to assign criminal and civil liability to the owner of a weapon.  What would be the intent of the insurance: create a high hurdle to ownership, a get out of jail card for the owner, or a compensation pool for victims?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 17, 2018, 09:45:54 AM
one of the things i understand less than almost anything else is people that decide to kill themselves and don't choose to do so by overdosing on morphine.

When I start to get dementia, this is my plan.  Still trying to figure out how to execute the plan though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 17, 2018, 09:55:43 AM
insurance as a solution to the problems of mental health and assault weapon availability is so embarrassingly neo-lib
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
what is the insurance for? just charge people licensing and registration fees for every gun. use the money for school safety, health programs, etc. no need to complicate it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2018, 10:13:11 AM
what is the insurance for? just charge people licensing and registration fees for every gun. use the money for school safety, health programs, etc. no need to complicate it.
I'm assuming it would be like liability insurance required to operate a car. I also really like your ideas and have for a long time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 17, 2018, 10:23:50 AM
what is the insurance for? just charge people licensing and registration fees for every gun. use the money for school safety, health programs, etc. no need to complicate it.

How much
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 17, 2018, 10:36:52 AM
one of the things i understand less than almost anything else is people that decide to kill themselves and don't choose to do so by overdosing on morphine.

When I start to get dementia, this is my plan.  Still trying to figure out how to execute the plan though.
No worries, you won’t remember the plan when it comes time to execute it anyway.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
what is the insurance for? just charge people licensing and registration fees for every gun. use the money for school safety, health programs, etc. no need to complicate it.

How much

enough to fund the registry and provide money for school safety and health programs at whatever the level is they decide to be funded at. I don't know how much that is but I know there are about a trillion guns in Meade, KS alone so it doesn't need to be an exorbitant amount on a per gun basis.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 17, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
what is the insurance for? just charge people licensing and registration fees for every gun. use the money for school safety, health programs, etc. no need to complicate it.

How much

enough to fund the registry and provide money for school safety and health programs at whatever the level is they decide to be funded at. I don't know how much that is but I know there are about a trillion guns in Meade, KS alone so it doesn't need to be an exorbitant amount on a per gun basis.

We figured out car insurance, I'm sure the insurance company's can get their actuaries on this too....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 10:52:05 AM
The easiest answer to this is to take away automatic weapons. The diseased will still find a way to get them, but at least it will slow down the process.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 17, 2018, 10:58:37 AM
pretty reasonable plan from the last true moderate on planet earth Steven David
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 17, 2018, 11:13:30 AM
what is the insurance for? just charge people licensing and registration fees for every gun. use the money for school safety, health programs, etc. no need to complicate it.

How much

enough to fund the registry and provide money for school safety and health programs at whatever the level is they decide to be funded at. I don't know how much that is but I know there are about a trillion guns in Meade, KS alone so it doesn't need to be an exorbitant amount on a per gun basis.

The more powerful the gun the more you could charge too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
The premium for an AR would be roughly what State Farm charges for a 16 year old boy driving a vette
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 17, 2018, 11:34:55 AM
Of course the premiums would need to be means tested
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 17, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
SD...take it to the bipartisan thread...I think we got something here!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 17, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
The easiest answer to this is to take away automatic weapons. The diseased will still find a way to get them, but at least it will slow down the process.

I assume you mean semi-auto?  Automatic weapons are already banned.

Banning semi-automatic weapons would eliminate the majority of modern handguns sold/used today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 17, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
I should note that automatic weapons manufactured before 1986 have been grandfathered in.  However, while technically you could obtain one, it is incredibly expensive and requires a tedious application/review process through the ATF.

https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/914867501489639424

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/its-still-legal-to-own-a-machine-gun-its-also-extremely-difficult-and-especially-expensive/article/2636302
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 17, 2018, 12:55:18 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2018, 01:08:14 PM
The Left needs to stop politicizing

https://twitter.com/BobWeiss91362/status/964534393464283137
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2018, 01:11:51 PM
 That Vegas shooter must have found some old machine guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 17, 2018, 03:55:53 PM
The easiest answer to this is to take away automatic weapons. The diseased will still find a way to get them, but at least it will slow down the process.

I assume you mean semi-auto?  Automatic weapons are already banned.

Banning semi-automatic weapons would eliminate the majority of modern handguns sold/used today.

Great. I bet you'd also see a reduction in school children getting their heads blown off.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 17, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
Getting the insurance industry involved in more parts of life rather than fewer is a pretty WTF idea.
why
The insurance industry has had a toxic effect on our healthcare system, and I would expect it to act similarly here.
Still pretty vague and not a great comparison.
Yeah, it is vague and probably doesn't apply very well, but it's not like you laid out a 3 page proposal to break down.  It was a one line comment to a tweet, and my immediate thoughts on it. :dunno:

I don't understand what insurance is supposed to accomplish. When we get car insurance, it is so we aren't personally liable for all of the damages we cause with our car. It shifts the burden off of the person and to the insurance company (paid for by the pool of policy holders).

Why would we want to reduce the responsibility of the gun owner?

The only somewhat positive thing it would appear to accomplish is a registry of sorts.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 17, 2018, 06:58:44 PM
High risk people wouldn't be able to get gun insurance, which wouldn't let them legally own a gun.

I agree that it's not a good idea, but that's idea behind it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2018, 07:21:58 PM
Getting the insurance industry involved in more parts of life rather than fewer is a pretty WTF idea.
why
The insurance industry has had a toxic effect on our healthcare system, and I would expect it to act similarly here.
Still pretty vague and not a great comparison.
Yeah, it is vague and probably doesn't apply very well, but it's not like you laid out a 3 page proposal to break down.  It was a one line comment to a tweet, and my immediate thoughts on it. :dunno:

I don't understand what insurance is supposed to accomplish. When we get car insurance, it is so we aren't personally liable for all of the damages we cause with our car. It shifts the burden off of the person and to the insurance company (paid for by the pool of policy holders).

Why would we want to reduce the responsibility of the gun owner?

The only somewhat positive thing it would appear to accomplish is a registry of sorts.
That's fair
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 17, 2018, 07:26:28 PM
High risk people wouldn't be able to get gun insurance, which wouldn't let them legally own a gun.

I agree that it's not a good idea, but that's idea behind it.
That is simply a license, not insurance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 17, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
I suggest a 100% tax to pay for all the stuff SD said.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2018, 07:55:08 PM
I suggest a 100% tax to pay for all the stuff SD said.

Whatever makes sense.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 18, 2018, 11:34:37 AM
I think requiring liability insurance of $1 million per murder victim would be a good thing to do for those we currently aren't really doing anything for. It would make guns unaffordable for most perpetrators of violent crimes and the mentally ill, too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 18, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
That Vegas shooter must have found some old machine guns

The coward in Vegas used semi-automatic weapons that he modified to function similar to automatic weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 18, 2018, 12:27:47 PM
That Vegas shooter must have found some old machine guns

The coward in Vegas used semi-automatic weapons that he modified to function similar to automatic weapons.

It's a shame we can't do anything about that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2018, 12:28:48 PM
That Vegas shooter must have found some old machine guns

The coward in Vegas used semi-automatic weapons that he modified to function similar to automatic weapons.

So machine guns are essentially available
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2018, 12:49:17 PM
Should probably make mass homicide illegal too. Maybe require all people to carry homicide liability insurance just in case.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 18, 2018, 12:52:23 PM
That Vegas shooter must have found some old machine guns

The coward in Vegas used semi-automatic weapons that he modified to function similar to automatic weapons.

So machine guns are essentially available

Sure.  Much in the same way that bombs are essentially available for those who wish to assemble them.  You can't purchase a machine gun from a gun store.

That being said, I'm not lobbying for the use of modified AR-15s.  I really don't have any problem with banning their sale going forward.  I was simply correcting the terminology used in Wacky's post.  There is a big difference between auto and semi-auto.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 18, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
Should probably make mass homicide illegal too. Maybe require all people to carry homicide liability insurance just in case.

Yes this, and as a deterrent put them in prison for life or off them, we need to get tough on this crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2018, 04:02:08 PM
Are we banning all guns that fire .223/5.56 rounds, or just the AR-15?

#Gunphobes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 18, 2018, 04:38:53 PM
No ban just a fat tax that goes to fortify schools and treat mentally ill.  It’s easy to do we all agree to it and it’s that simple.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 18, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
No ban just a fat tax that goes to fortify schools and treat mentally ill.  It’s easy to do we all agree to it and it’s that simple.

This. At least a 100% tax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
Tax on what?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 20, 2018, 01:33:00 PM
Tax on what?

Gun sales
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2018, 01:57:58 PM
Should probably make mass homicide illegal too. Maybe require all people to carry homicide liability insurance just in case.

Yes this, and as a deterrent put them in prison for life or off them, we need to get tough on this crap

love this argument. it's very big in Meade, KS facebook circles. should probably make terrorism and flying planes into buildings illegal as well but do nothing to curtail it ever. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2018, 03:17:33 PM
Different argument
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 20, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
Did see they will ban rof modifications. (bump stock, cranks, etc.)   

not they, trump is directing the DOJ.

unilateral gun control act, his base will finally flip on him?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 20, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
Doubt many would be upset by this.  Modifying weapons in this manner is pretty stupid and dangerous.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2018, 06:04:27 PM
Next some guy is going to marry his dog smdh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2018, 06:37:53 PM
Should probably make mass homicide illegal too. Maybe require all people to carry homicide liability insurance just in case.

Yes this, and as a deterrent put them in prison for life or off them, we need to get tough on this crap

love this argument. it's very big in Meade, KS facebook circles. should probably make terrorism and flying planes into buildings illegal as well but do nothing curtail it ever.
So bad legislation is better than no legislation?

I think our laws against homicide, terrorism, and airplane hijacking are mostly good legislation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 20, 2018, 07:36:05 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966119932793585664

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2018, 07:49:45 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/20/parkland-students-come-under-attack-for-their-outspokenness/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2018, 07:50:57 PM
these kids are getting drug by giant conservative nerds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
click through

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/966086932332732416
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
Should probably make mass homicide illegal too. Maybe require all people to carry homicide liability insurance just in case.

Yes this, and as a deterrent put them in prison for life or off them, we need to get tough on this crap

love this argument. it's very big in Meade, KS facebook circles. should probably make terrorism and flying planes into buildings illegal as well but do nothing to curtail it ever.

Ban airplanes and muslims, got it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 07:54:44 PM
Libtards are really stupid
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2018, 07:57:20 PM
kdub is a HUGE fan of that dinesh felon guy iirc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2018, 08:00:49 PM
kdub is a HUGE fan of that dinesh felon guy iirc

I assume he he's got a lot of fans ITT
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 20, 2018, 08:08:12 PM
What an amazing pos
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 08:14:49 PM
Hard hitting stuff from KT
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/966078268184121344

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/966073776059371520

Self-fulfilling prophecy
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/965384320633442309
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 08:15:28 PM
#libbots
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2018, 08:16:13 PM
yeah, it's a great follow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 08:16:19 PM
This looks familiar
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/965425491116265472
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
A tool for the tools, indeed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2018, 08:31:45 PM
Good research imo


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 20, 2018, 10:03:19 PM
Proud of FSD and dax not going after the kids speaking out on tv... Took a lot of restraint I'm sure. More than Don Jr could muster
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2018, 08:43:50 AM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/966047813598629889
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 21, 2018, 09:28:16 AM
one of the things i understand less than almost anything else is people that decide to kill themselves and don't choose to do so by overdosing on morphine.

When I start to get dementia, this is my plan.  Still trying to figure out how to execute the plan though.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/americas-opioid-epidemic.html


i'm going to grow my own poppies and brew artisanal laudanum.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2018, 10:17:38 AM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/966047813598629889

1000% true
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 21, 2018, 10:31:34 AM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/966047813598629889

1000% true

No time for hi jinx today gentlemen, a great man has passed and our nation mourns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2018, 11:33:40 AM
Proud of FSD and dax not going after the kids speaking out on tv... Took a lot of restraint I'm sure. More than Don Jr could muster

When have I ever done that?

Apparently you can't read, but don't let that stop your ever increasing level of butthurt in your 24/7/365 rage.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 21, 2018, 12:03:10 PM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/966047813598629889

1000% true

No time for hi jinx today gentlemen, a great man has passed and our nation mourns.

Take it to the RIP Jim Dickey thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2018, 12:35:19 PM
https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/966325395711844352
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2018, 12:40:24 PM
https://twitter.com/learyreports/status/966074529201246209

Republicans smdh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/SheriffClarke/status/965962123535966208
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2018, 01:21:10 PM
Break Up the United States.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 21, 2018, 01:51:56 PM
we had a nice run  :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2018, 02:02:07 PM
Today I learned the nuge is also a draft dodger like Donald.  Small world
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2018, 02:53:07 PM
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/966187708698722309
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 21, 2018, 03:29:32 PM
:lol: I can’t believe you read that site every day Dax :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 21, 2018, 04:04:48 PM
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/966187708698722309

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/966187708698722309

 :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2018, 06:16:48 PM
:lol: I can’t believe you read that site every day Dax :lol:

I have no idea what you're even talking about.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
Media Matters  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2018, 09:26:55 PM
:lol: I can’t believe you read that site every day Dax :lol:

The Big Tuck :lol:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 21, 2018, 09:28:29 PM
Great contributions as always FSD
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
No, you are a great contributions,

THE
BIG
TUCK
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2018, 06:44:04 AM
https://twitter.com/hoarsewisperer/status/966171715670827009


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2018, 06:44:31 AM
I very much wish I had tuned into the Marco Rubio Roast last night


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 22, 2018, 08:17:37 AM
I very much wish I had tuned into the Marco Rubio Roast last night


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Good for Marco for putting himself through that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 08:26:48 AM
I very much wish I had tuned into the Marco Rubio Roast last night


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Good for Marco for putting himself through that.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2018, 08:44:50 AM
I very much wish I had tuned into the Marco Rubio Roast last night


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Good for Marco for putting himself through that.

absolutely
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2018, 08:45:03 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966681883206668289
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 22, 2018, 08:45:38 AM
Until the question about taking the NRA’s money, Rubio was doing pretty well.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 08:55:56 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966681883206668289
It's missing the "promoted" tag
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 22, 2018, 10:13:20 AM
after watching last night and following the last week, the best thing that America could immediately do would be to add two years to the ability to buy guns and subtract two years from the ability to vote.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
Dilly Dilly!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
Until the question about taking the NRA’s money, Rubio was doing pretty well.


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It got rough because they let the kid act like some smart ass.  His constituents have an absolute right to give him money
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 22, 2018, 10:40:40 AM
stop the sale of guns and gun parts that allow you to go into a place and mow down craploads of people within seconds. initiate a gun buy back program with a long grace period that can be funded at least in part by the sale of new guns and gun insurance or gun taxes on the purchase of new guns. if you have a gun that is on the new banned list, you have five or ten years to sell it back to the gov't at a more than fair current market price. if you are caught with one of the banned guns after the actual ban takes place (five/ten years from now) then you are going to jail for a long time if convicted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
I was hoping for a more mature and reasoned discussion last night. CNN seemed content to just let the stacked audience boo, scream, and heckle.

Also allowing 16yos to vote. :facepalm: Do you even remember what a dumbass you were at 16? I'm not saying people get smarter as they get older - they don't. But most folks do get wiser and more mature. I would actually favor bumping the age of eligibility back to 25 or 26 unless you serve in the military. Get a rough ridin' job first and be self-sufficient before you start voting, you smartass, sheltered little assholes.

What does it say about your politics that you think adding 16yos to the voter roles will help advance your causes?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sunny_cat on February 22, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
I was hoping for a more mature and reasoned discussion last night. CNN seemed content to just let the stacked audience boo, scream, and heckle.

Also allowing 16yos to vote. :facepalm: Do you even remember what a dumbass you were at 16? I'm not saying people get smarter as they get older - they don't. But most folks do get wiser and more mature. I would actually favor bumping the age of eligibility back to 25 or 26 unless you serve in the military. Get a rough ridin' job first and be self-sufficient before you start voting, you smartass, sheltered little assholes.

What does it say about your politics that you think adding 16yos to the voter roles will help advance your causes?

yep don't want those libtard someone who makes me uncomfortable 18 year olds voting anymore!!! :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2018, 10:51:43 AM
What does it say about your politics when you only want to allow white male property owners to vote?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 10:52:24 AM
The vilification of the NRA is pretty gross, and was on full display last night. The NRA is not some shady top-down cabal - it is an association of millions of law-abiding gun owners. That's where it gets it's power and influence. I'm not a gun owner or an NRA member, but I support the rights of millions of gun owners to associate and lobby to protect their 2A rights.

The "you've got blood on your hands" argument is intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issues, which is exactly what the leftists want. It's what they always want. Make it about emotion. Make it about virtue. It's the same thing they did when ramming Obamacare through.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 22, 2018, 10:54:05 AM
Read an opinion piece in the WSJ the other day that I thought had some good ideas.  It pointed out that

Quote
A University of Chicago study found that only 3% of Windy City gun crimes were committed with legally purchased guns. A federal study in 2004 put the percentage of gun crimes committed with legal guns at 11%. By and large the problem isn’t guns—it’s that people who shouldn’t have them are getting them and using them.

As for mass shootings, almost all of them have involved mentally ill young men. Some used pistols, some used rifles, some had both—but as with street crime, people who shouldn’t have weapons got them.
It suggested three ideas that could help stop gun violence:

1.  Dramatically increase penalties for stealing guns. It suggested mandatory 4 year term for illegally possessing firearm and a 6 year term for selling stolen firearm.  Make it so burglars avoid taking the victim's gun.

2.  Enforce laws against straw purchases.  Federal law already makes this a crime punishable by a $250k fine and up to 10 years.  This doesn't require a new law, just make it a priority.

3.  This one is tricky, but they basically advocated finding a constitutionally permissible way of preventing mentally ill people from acquiring guns.  Author didn't offer much of an explanation here.

Anyway, I thought points 1 and 2 made a lot of sense that should be agreeable to everyone.  Point 3 is a good aspiration if it can be achieved.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 10:55:06 AM
What does it say about your politics when you only want to allow white male property owners to vote?

Nah, I'm good with all genders and races, and I don't think property ownership is the best test. I'd prefer some minimum level of taxation to vote, to cull the moochers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 22, 2018, 10:56:56 AM
I was hoping for a more mature and reasoned discussion last night. CNN seemed content to just let the stacked audience boo, scream, and heckle.

Also allowing 16yos to vote. :facepalm: Do you even remember what a dumbass you were at 16? I'm not saying people get smarter as they get older - they don't. But most folks do get wiser and more mature. I would actually favor bumping the age of eligibility back to 25 or 26 unless you serve in the military. Get a rough ridin' job first and be self-sufficient before you start voting, you smartass, sheltered little assholes.

What does it say about your politics that you think adding 16yos to the voter roles will help advance your causes?

it was never going to be a mature and reasoned discussion last night because the two people answering questions in the already decided upon town hall format, wanted to do nothing but pat the people asking questions on the head and then not answer the questions being asked while continuing to try and advance their own agenda.

in regards to wanting 16 year olds to vote. i'd love for it to happen. 16 year olds are unfettered with the bullshit and absurd personal agendas that a lot of 40, 50 and 60 years year olds are. they just want a good world to live and grow up in, which should be the common goal held by all of us. but a lot of older people get super rough ridin' weird and care about things like whether people on food stamps are buying steaks instead of 20 pound bags of rice. I would love a world where 16 year olds can start voting because they care about other kids and the future for the next 60 years and not just about whether their effective tax rate is 14% or 19%, etc.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2018, 10:59:51 AM
What does it say about your politics when you only want to allow white male property owners to vote?

Nah, I'm good with all genders and races, and I don't think property ownership is the best test. I'd prefer some minimum level of taxation to vote, to cull the moochers.

Then why do so many of your posts indicate otherwise?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 22, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
The "you've got blood on your hands" argument is intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issues, which is exactly what the leftists want. It's what they always want. Make it about emotion. Make it about virtue. It's the same thing they did when ramming Obamacare through.

LaPierre said "[Democrats'] goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms so they can eliminate all individual freedoms" which is absolutely intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issue.  Quit acting like the NRA wants to have an adult conversation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 22, 2018, 11:02:21 AM
I'd prefer some minimum level of taxation to vote, to cull the moochers.
Pretty gross.

Also, I don't have a problem with the NRA activities in principle.  I don't think they're some evil cabal or shadow group.  I get that they're mostly grassroots funded.  That said, I do not understand the NRA's rationale for opposing expanded background checks though.  Allow an appeal process for the background checks and call it good. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
Read an opinion piece in the WSJ the other day that I thought had some good ideas.  It pointed out that

Quote
A University of Chicago study found that only 3% of Windy City gun crimes were committed with legally purchased guns. A federal study in 2004 put the percentage of gun crimes committed with legal guns at 11%. By and large the problem isn’t guns—it’s that people who shouldn’t have them are getting them and using them.

As for mass shootings, almost all of them have involved mentally ill young men. Some used pistols, some used rifles, some had both—but as with street crime, people who shouldn’t have weapons got them.
It suggested three ideas that could help stop gun violence:

1.  Dramatically increase penalties for stealing guns. It suggested mandatory 4 year term for illegally possessing firearm and a 6 year term for selling stolen firearm.  Make it so burglars avoid taking the victim's gun.

2.  Enforce laws against straw purchases.  Federal law already makes this a crime punishable by a $250k fine and up to 10 years.  This doesn't require a new law, just make it a priority.

3.  This one is tricky, but they basically advocated finding a constitutionally permissible way of preventing mentally ill people from acquiring guns.  Author didn't offer much of an explanation here.

Anyway, I thought points 1 and 2 made a lot of sense that should be agreeable to everyone.  Point 3 is a good aspiration if it can be achieved.

Regarding Point 3, the idea gaining popularity is Gun Violence Restraining Orders (GVROs). I could support something like this if appropriate due process protections were put in place. Keeping guns out of the hands of the violent mentally ill, and better securing our schools, might actually be effective.

Banning AR-15s is idiotic. I'm not a gun owner but I have talked to many knowledgeable gun owners, including current and former military, and there is nothing about the AR-15 that makes it a superior "mass shooting" weapon over virtually any other modern hunting rifle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
The "you've got blood on your hands" argument is intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issues, which is exactly what the leftists want. It's what they always want. Make it about emotion. Make it about virtue. It's the same thing they did when ramming Obamacare through.

LaPierre said "[Democrats'] goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms so they can eliminate all individual freedoms" which is absolutely intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issue.  Quit acting like the NRA wants to have an adult conversation.

Most democrats absolutely would prefer to eliminate the 2A. So I would agree with that much of LaPierre's comment. And that's kind of the point. You have to keep that in mind when assessing gun control proposals.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
I was hoping for a more mature and reasoned discussion last night. CNN seemed content to just let the stacked audience boo, scream, and heckle.

Also allowing 16yos to vote. :facepalm: Do you even remember what a dumbass you were at 16? I'm not saying people get smarter as they get older - they don't. But most folks do get wiser and more mature. I would actually favor bumping the age of eligibility back to 25 or 26 unless you serve in the military. Get a rough ridin' job first and be self-sufficient before you start voting, you smartass, sheltered little assholes.

What does it say about your politics that you think adding 16yos to the voter roles will help advance your causes?

it was never going to be a mature and reasoned discussion last night because the two people answering questions in the already decided upon town hall format, wanted to do nothing but pat the people asking questions on the head and then not answer the questions being asked while continuing to try and advance their own agenda.

in regards to wanting 16 year olds to vote. i'd love for it to happen. 16 year olds are unfettered with the bullshit and absurd personal agendas that a lot of 40, 50 and 60 years year olds are. they just want a good world to live and grow up in, which should be the common goal held by all of us. but a lot of older people get super rough ridin' weird and care about things like whether people on food stamps are buying steaks instead of 20 pound bags of rice. I would love a world where 16 year olds can start voting because they care about other kids and the future for the next 60 years and not just about whether their effective tax rate is 14% or 19%, etc.

Mmmmkay. The "kids have great bullshit detectors" argument. They're also immature, inexperienced, emotional, and irresponsible. I understand why liberals can relate. Granted, there's very little difference between a 16yo and an 18yo, but let's not make it worse than it already is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 11:09:35 AM
The vilification of the NRA is pretty gross, and was on full display last night. The NRA is not some shady top-down cabal - it is an association of millions of law-abiding gun owners. That's where it gets it's power and influence. I'm not a gun owner or an NRA member, but I support the rights of millions of gun owners to associate and lobby to protect their 2A rights.

The "you've got blood on your hands" argument is intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issues, which is exactly what the leftists want. It's what they always want. Make it about emotion. Make it about virtue. It's the same thing they did when ramming Obamacare through.
You forgot money launderer for Russia. I think it's in their mission statement.

What did you want CNN to do to the crowd exactly?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on February 22, 2018, 11:12:27 AM
Read an opinion piece in the WSJ the other day that I thought had some good ideas.  It pointed out that

Quote
A University of Chicago study found that only 3% of Windy City gun crimes were committed with legally purchased guns. A federal study in 2004 put the percentage of gun crimes committed with legal guns at 11%. By and large the problem isn’t guns—it’s that people who shouldn’t have them are getting them and using them.

As for mass shootings, almost all of them have involved mentally ill young men. Some used pistols, some used rifles, some had both—but as with street crime, people who shouldn’t have weapons got them.
It suggested three ideas that could help stop gun violence:

1.  Dramatically increase penalties for stealing guns. It suggested mandatory 4 year term for illegally possessing firearm and a 6 year term for selling stolen firearm.  Make it so burglars avoid taking the victim's gun.

2.  Enforce laws against straw purchases.  Federal law already makes this a crime punishable by a $250k fine and up to 10 years.  This doesn't require a new law, just make it a priority.

3.  This one is tricky, but they basically advocated finding a constitutionally permissible way of preventing mentally ill people from acquiring guns.  Author didn't offer much of an explanation here.

Anyway, I thought points 1 and 2 made a lot of sense that should be agreeable to everyone.  Point 3 is a good aspiration if it can be achieved.

Regarding Point 3, the idea gaining popularity is Gun Violence Restraining Orders (GVROs). I could support something like this if appropriate due process protections were put in place. Keeping guns out of the hands of the violent mentally ill, and better securing our schools, might actually be effective.

Banning AR-15s is idiotic. I'm not a gun owner but I have talked to many knowledgeable gun owners, including current and former military, and there is nothing about the AR-15 that makes it a superior "mass shooting" weapon over virtually any other modern hunting rifle.
No rough ridin' way you believe this crap. It is designed to kill as quickly and lethally as possible right down to the round. the round is designed to tumble when entering flesh causing as much damage as possible without being a hollow point round. This is due to the Geneva convention banning hollow points in war time use. This gun is strictly a military person killing machine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 22, 2018, 11:16:25 AM
The "you've got blood on your hands" argument is intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issues, which is exactly what the leftists want. It's what they always want. Make it about emotion. Make it about virtue. It's the same thing they did when ramming Obamacare through.

LaPierre said "[Democrats'] goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms so they can eliminate all individual freedoms" which is absolutely intended to shut down reasoned debate on the issue.  Quit acting like the NRA wants to have an adult conversation.

Most democrats absolutely would prefer to eliminate the 2A. So I would agree with that much of LaPierre's comment. And that's kind of the point. You have to keep that in mind when assessing gun control proposals.

No legit democratic politician has proposed eliminating the 2A.  Even if you believe that was some end goal, LaPierre's comment threw out a far more fear-mongery straw man than that, which is the point.  He doesn't want to have any discussion on making America safer if it involves guns at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2018, 11:17:16 AM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 11:17:32 AM
This isn't hard

* Fix background check system (shame on all past administrations for failing here)

* License including registration fee and Insurance to own

* More help for schools to detect problem kids (they aren't mentally ill to be locked into a hospital many times)

* More restrictions on who can own a gun (abusers, criminals, mentally ill for example)

* Penalties if your licensed gun is used in a crime (help people to be more responsible in securing their legal guns...so many are now stolen out of cars etc)

* Buyback programs

Let's see where this gets us...not one thing is getting rid of guns...but maybe I'm not a good libbot or whatever the fun term is now.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 11:18:36 AM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 22, 2018, 11:18:54 AM
Read an opinion piece in the WSJ the other day that I thought had some good ideas.  It pointed out that

Quote
A University of Chicago study found that only 3% of Windy City gun crimes were committed with legally purchased guns. A federal study in 2004 put the percentage of gun crimes committed with legal guns at 11%. By and large the problem isn’t guns—it’s that people who shouldn’t have them are getting them and using them.

As for mass shootings, almost all of them have involved mentally ill young men. Some used pistols, some used rifles, some had both—but as with street crime, people who shouldn’t have weapons got them.
It suggested three ideas that could help stop gun violence:

1.  Dramatically increase penalties for stealing guns. It suggested mandatory 4 year term for illegally possessing firearm and a 6 year term for selling stolen firearm.  Make it so burglars avoid taking the victim's gun.

2.  Enforce laws against straw purchases.  Federal law already makes this a crime punishable by a $250k fine and up to 10 years.  This doesn't require a new law, just make it a priority.

3.  This one is tricky, but they basically advocated finding a constitutionally permissible way of preventing mentally ill people from acquiring guns.  Author didn't offer much of an explanation here.

Anyway, I thought points 1 and 2 made a lot of sense that should be agreeable to everyone.  Point 3 is a good aspiration if it can be achieved.

The first two are positive steps. I think 1) also needs some degree of punishment for not reporting stolen firearms and/or not properly storing them. I don't know how it would be enforced, but it should be. There's been multiple shootings in SF (including the Katie Steinle shooting) where a cop left their guns on the front seat of their cars and they were stolen and used in shootings. IMO they were not properly storing their guns and should be punished for that.

Agree point 3 is stupid. A rational person can't claim gun ownership is a constitutional right yet deny it to "mentally ill" people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 22, 2018, 11:19:01 AM
Ksuw just called kids who had their school shot up and friends murdered ‘sheltered kids’


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 22, 2018, 11:20:02 AM
Sorry. ‘Sheltered little assholes’


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 22, 2018, 11:25:26 AM
I was hoping for a more mature and reasoned discussion last night. CNN seemed content to just let the stacked audience boo, scream, and heckle.

Also allowing 16yos to vote. :facepalm: Do you even remember what a dumbass you were at 16? I'm not saying people get smarter as they get older - they don't. But most folks do get wiser and more mature. I would actually favor bumping the age of eligibility back to 25 or 26 unless you serve in the military. Get a rough ridin' job first and be self-sufficient before you start voting, you smartass, sheltered little assholes.

What does it say about your politics that you think adding 16yos to the voter roles will help advance your causes?

it was never going to be a mature and reasoned discussion last night because the two people answering questions in the already decided upon town hall format, wanted to do nothing but pat the people asking questions on the head and then not answer the questions being asked while continuing to try and advance their own agenda.

in regards to wanting 16 year olds to vote. i'd love for it to happen. 16 year olds are unfettered with the bullshit and absurd personal agendas that a lot of 40, 50 and 60 years year olds are. they just want a good world to live and grow up in, which should be the common goal held by all of us. but a lot of older people get super rough ridin' weird and care about things like whether people on food stamps are buying steaks instead of 20 pound bags of rice. I would love a world where 16 year olds can start voting because they care about other kids and the future for the next 60 years and not just about whether their effective tax rate is 14% or 19%, etc.

Mmmmkay. The "kids have great bullshit detectors" argument. They're also immature, inexperienced, emotional, and irresponsible. I understand why liberals can relate. Granted, there's very little difference between a 16yo and an 18yo, but let's not make it worse than it already is.


not even close to what I said. I would love to have 16 year olds voting because they are more concerned with the future of the world and the people in it than they are their own personal agendas. also and I mean this in the nicest way possible, you come off as very insecure for a person who seems to be somewhat well off with a decent level of education.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 22, 2018, 11:28:09 AM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....

Not really. If anything, the NRA is a shining example of why lobbying is important. A grassroots organization with millions of members who are willing to donate to the cause should have a lot of influence over any democratic government, whether you agree with their cause or not. Hopefully their current positions cause them to lose membership until they become more reasonable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....

Not really. If anything, the NRA is a shining example of why lobbying is important. A grassroots organization with millions of members who are willing to donate to the cause should have a lot of influence over any democratic government, whether you agree with their cause or not. Hopefully their current positions cause them to lose membership until they become more reasonable.
It's gone way too far. Nice idea in your description but it's obviously become perverted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 22, 2018, 11:42:25 AM
and while we're at it on the age thing, it is far more absurd that we let people who are in their last years of life and might have dementia and/or not even be able to drive a car continue to vote than it is to allow 16 year olds to vote. but then again the laws are made by mostly people in their 40's-60's who don't want to give up a strangle hold on their power, so...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 22, 2018, 11:44:45 AM
I paid taxes when I was 16.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2018, 11:48:40 AM
Even if you give 16 year olds the ability to vote barely any of them would actually vote.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
No problem having 16 yo vote.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 22, 2018, 11:50:15 AM
Even if you give 16 year olds the ability to vote barely any of them would actually vote.

I think schools would make it a priority to get them to the polls.  Could be beneficial to encouraging their future involvement in government.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 22, 2018, 11:50:38 AM
it drives me crazy when people dismiss/disparage the nra's influence as being about money. 

it's very convenient and intellectually dishonest for people opposed to this position to dismiss the nra as a lobbyist organization buying influence with money, because it intimates that the prevailing gun policy has somehow been achieved dishonestly or against the electorate's wishes.  however, that is not accurate.  the nra enjoys influence because a lot of americans believe very strongly that their right to possess firearms should not be infringed in any way and vote accordingly.  they have influence because our democracy functions as designed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 22, 2018, 11:51:00 AM
Also, Deez Nutz would get a lot more votes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
it drives me crazy when people dismiss/disparage the nra's influence as being about money. 

it's very convenient and intellectually dishonest for people opposed to this position to dismiss the nra as a lobbyist organization buying influence with money, because it intimates that the prevailing gun policy has somehow been achieved dishonestly or against the electorate's wishes.  however, that is not accurate.  the nra enjoys influence because a lot of americans believe very strongly that their right to possess firearms should not be infringed in any way and vote accordingly.  they have influence because our democracy functions as designed.
I have no doubt in what you are saying...so let's get rid of the money.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2018, 12:08:16 PM
I’m fine with individuals contributing money to the NRA and collectively using their large numbers to use as leverage in getting legislation they are in favor of.  The problem lies in that a very large portion of their budget is funded by gun manufacturers.   I think technically any money they spend on lobbying has to come from private donations but it’s a very blurred line to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 22, 2018, 12:09:31 PM
What this country needs is national referendums (propositions) to be voted on by the public. It must first be argued in front of the supreme court to be deemed constitutional, so if it passes, it must become law without any appeals. Of course, there would need to be some sort of weeding our process so we aren't constantly voting on stupid crap.

The first would be term limits for congress and senate.

Second will be eliminating lobbyists.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
What this country needs is national referendums (propositions) to be voted on by the public. It must first be argued in front of the supreme court to be deemed constitutional, so if it passes, it must become law without any appeals. Of course, there would need to be some sort of weeding our process so we aren't constantly voting on stupid crap.

The first would be term limits for congress and senate.

Second will be eliminating lobbyists.

I like it.  I might even love it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2018, 12:24:05 PM
I’m fine with individuals contributing money to the NRA and collectively using their large numbers to use as leverage in getting legislation they are in favor of.  The problem lies in that a very large portion of their budget is funded by gun manufacturers.   I think technically any money they spend on lobbying has to come from private donations but it’s a very blurred line to me.
How is the NRA different in this aspect from any other lobbying party?  Most lobbyists are heavily subsidized by those with skin in the game.
I'm all for removing lobbyist as long as it's across the board. 

I think most people share this sentiment. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2018, 12:33:02 PM
I was hoping for a more mature and reasoned discussion last night. CNN seemed content to just let the stacked audience boo, scream, and heckle.

Also allowing 16yos to vote. :facepalm: Do you even remember what a dumbass you were at 16? I'm not saying people get smarter as they get older - they don't. But most folks do get wiser and more mature. I would actually favor bumping the age of eligibility back to 25 or 26 unless you serve in the military. Get a rough ridin' job first and be self-sufficient before you start voting, you smartass, sheltered little assholes.

What does it say about your politics that you think adding 16yos to the voter roles will help advance your causes?

Totally agree.  16 year-olds simply aren't equipped to make complex decisions like always voting for republicans over democrats regardless of how many children they've sexually assaulted.

Speaking of, has Doug Jones ruined our country yet?

I'd vote for [Roy Moore]. But only because I'm a pragmatist and understand that the political implications of giving this seat to a liberal far outweigh the harm of allowing an alleged scumbag to serve for a couple of years until the next primary.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 22, 2018, 12:33:22 PM
The problem lies in that a very large portion of their budget is funded by gun manufacturers.   
Link?

Here's an interesting article on the subject: http://money.cnn.com/news/cnnmoney-investigates/nra-funding-donors/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/news/cnnmoney-investigates/nra-funding-donors/index.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 22, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Another thread another display of KSUW being a terrible person
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 22, 2018, 12:41:15 PM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....

Not really. If anything, the NRA is a shining example of why lobbying is important. A grassroots organization with millions of members who are willing to donate to the cause should have a lot of influence over any democratic government, whether you agree with their cause or not. Hopefully their current positions cause them to lose membership until they become more reasonable.

They are hardly a grassroots organization anymore. They are funded by the gun manufacturers and do the bulk of their lobbying.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2018, 12:42:25 PM
The problem lies in that a very large portion of their budget is funded by gun manufacturers.   
Link?

 
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/530116130
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2018, 12:45:44 PM
I’m fine with individuals contributing money to the NRA and collectively using their large numbers to use as leverage in getting legislation they are in favor of.  The problem lies in that a very large portion of their budget is funded by gun manufacturers.   I think technically any money they spend on lobbying has to come from private donations but it’s a very blurred line to me.
How is the NRA different in this aspect from any other lobbying party?  Most lobbyists are heavily subsidized by those with skin in the game.
I'm all for removing lobbyist as long as it's across the board. 

I think most people share this sentiment.

If there is one thing I'd like to see change in this country during my lifetime it is the complete overhaul of the campaign finance system.  Something like this:

1. Have some bare minimum requirement to be a candidate that anyone could meet but would be a significant barrier to entry (like 10,000 physical signatures within their district or a bunch of financial disclosures and background check authorizations)

2. The government allots each candidate equal opportunity to share their message like on a government website, circular, or CSPAN type tv network

3. Multiple rounds of voting to narrow down the pool

4. Candidates are not allowed to spend money to promote themselves and they cannot direct others to (no, "I approved this message").  Alternatively, you could do a salaray-cap type system.

#4 is definitely the trickiest. Ideally you would stop any kind of private interest spending, but I think that definitely runs into free speech issues which is bad.  Obviously lots of candidates would try to cheat to quietly cut deals with groups like the NRA to promote them in their magazines/news letters, but I still think we can make vast improvements to the current system which is incredibly money-centered.

Don't get me wrong. I am all for private interest groups speaking up, but it is incredibly depressing that right now it seems guaranteed that you cannot win a major election without having millions of dollars to spend (whether your money or someone else's).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on February 22, 2018, 12:48:00 PM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....

Not really. If anything, the NRA is a shining example of why lobbying is important. A grassroots organization with millions of members who are willing to donate to the cause should have a lot of influence over any democratic government, whether you agree with their cause or not. Hopefully their current positions cause them to lose membership until they become more reasonable.

They are hardly a grassroots organization anymore. They are funded by the gun manufacturers and do the bulk of their lobbying.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

There's usually a coupon for one free year of NRA membership or similar inside the box/case with the other manufacturer paperwork when you purchase a new gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on February 22, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....

Not really. If anything, the NRA is a shining example of why lobbying is important. A grassroots organization with millions of members who are willing to donate to the cause should have a lot of influence over any democratic government, whether you agree with their cause or not. Hopefully their current positions cause them to lose membership until they become more reasonable.

They are hardly a grassroots organization anymore. They are funded by the gun manufacturers and do the bulk of their lobbying.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

There's usually a coupon for one free year of NRA membership or similar inside the box/case with the other manufacturer paperwork when you purchase a new gun.

Nope. Not in Kansas anyways.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2018, 01:47:25 PM
Imagine the disappointment to buy your machine gun and you don't get your year of The American Rifleman
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on February 22, 2018, 01:54:33 PM
The NRA spreads it’s money to the Democrats as much as Republicans so everyone has blood on their hands really.
Would be so great to get rid of lobbying money....

Not really. If anything, the NRA is a shining example of why lobbying is important. A grassroots organization with millions of members who are willing to donate to the cause should have a lot of influence over any democratic government, whether you agree with their cause or not. Hopefully their current positions cause them to lose membership until they become more reasonable.

They are hardly a grassroots organization anymore. They are funded by the gun manufacturers and do the bulk of their lobbying.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

There's usually a coupon for one free year of NRA membership or similar inside the box/case with the other manufacturer paperwork when you purchase a new gun.

Nope. Not in Kansas anyways.

Can confirm via my last three handgun purchases from two different manufacturers. Long guns probably not tho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 22, 2018, 04:34:42 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2018, 04:42:06 PM
Pretty old fashioned to run on a fear platform IYAM.

It's pretty gross how popular it is now for politicians to run on hatred.

Almost makes you miss the days when politicians just ran on fear.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 05:35:51 PM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

Given this, where you at on giving guns to teachers, gym coaches, maintenance men, counselors?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 22, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
I don't understand why the background check system sucks so much.  Why aren't states and the military branches reporting crimes to the FBI to put into the system?  This law already exists but it sucks because the data is so incomplete.  Incredibly frustrating.  Get off your asses and do your jobs. 

Also, the NRA's justification for opposing expanded background checks based on the inadequacy of the current background check system is bananas.  Both are problems that need fixing.  Fix them both.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 05:51:28 PM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

Given this, where you at on giving guns to teachers, gym coaches, maintenance men, counselors?

I don’t think that’s going to “solve” the problem but, if carefully implemented, it probably wouldn’t hurt and might even save lives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 05:57:02 PM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.


Given this, where you at on giving guns to teachers, gym coaches, maintenance men, counselors?

I don’t think that’s going to “solve” the problem but, if carefully implemented, it probably wouldn’t hurt and might even save lives.

More carefully implemented than the cop?  JFC man, we have evidence right here of this nonsense plan not working with an armed cop being there but you think your English teacher packing heat is going to do anything but make a bigger mess of things?  Wow.

coming from a law enforcement family I understand the amount of training they go through and how hard decisions are to shoot/not shoot in a situation that doesn't include a mass amount of innocents...this is a bad idea
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 06:00:49 PM
Banning AR-15s is idiotic. I'm not a gun owner but I have talked to many knowledgeable gun owners, including current and former military, and there is nothing about the AR-15 that makes it a superior "mass shooting" weapon over virtually any other modern hunting rifle.

No rough ridin' way you believe this crap. It is designed to kill as quickly and lethally as possible right down to the round. the round is designed to tumble when entering flesh causing as much damage as possible without being a hollow point round. This is due to the Geneva convention banning hollow points in war time use. This gun is strictly a military person killing machine.

You’re wrong. The AR-15 is course very dangerous, just not more so than many many other rifles. Less in some cases.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/339519002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/339519002)

Quote
Dean Hazen, owner of The Gun Experts in Mahomet, Ill., and a master firearms instructor, said the reason mass shooters are turning to the AR-15 is due to a "copy-cat" mentality more than any feature of the rifle.

"It’s really just a perception thing," Hazen said. "There are rifles that are more powerful and more dangerous than that, but they're not being used."

Hazen said the AR-15 has "gotten a bad rap." He believes mass shooters generally don't know much about guns and choose the AR-15 because of the reputation it has gotten from being used in other mass shootings.

"Thank God they don't know any better because if they did they would use much more effective weapons," Hazen said.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/15/586172062/why-the-ar-15-is-americas-rifle (https://www.npr.org/2018/02/15/586172062/why-the-ar-15-is-americas-rifle)

Oh, the VT killer (the worst school mass shooting in modern history)? Used a couple of pistols.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 06:08:23 PM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.


Given this, where you at on giving guns to teachers, gym coaches, maintenance men, counselors?

I don’t think that’s going to “solve” the problem but, if carefully implemented, it probably wouldn’t hurt and might even save lives.

More carefully implemented than the cop?  JFC man, we have evidence right here of this nonsense plan not working with an armed cop being there but you think your English teacher packing heat is going to do anything but make a bigger mess of things?  Wow.

coming from a law enforcement family I understand the amount of training they go through and how hard decisions are to shoot/not shoot in a situation that doesn't include a mass amount of innocents...this is a bad idea

Im not sure what I said that has you so indignant, so let’s take it a piece at a time.
1. I said arming faculty wasn’t going to solve school shootings.
2. I said if carefully implemented (safeguards being put in place) it probably wouldn’t hurt.
3. It might help. Neither you nor I know with certainty whether it would or not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 06:10:09 PM
lol, gotcha
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 22, 2018, 07:36:48 PM
everyone please prepare your talking points for the first time an armed teacher smokes their classroom
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 07:40:41 PM
everyone please prepare your talking points for the first time an armed teacher smokes their classroom

That could happen now, whether or not legally permitted to carry in school....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 22, 2018, 07:50:31 PM
everyone please prepare your talking points for the first time an armed teacher smokes their classroom

That could happen now, whether or not legally permitted to carry in school....

ok the first talking point has been delivered: "there was nothing preventing a teacher from shooting their children in the past. the only way to stop a bad teacher with a gun is a good teacher with a gun. at least our children now have a fighting chance!"

I rate it medium/low. 3/7
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 08:09:52 PM
Only one teacher smoked their students...remember that time in 2018 when 17 shootings happened in 2 months?  Net -16!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2018, 08:11:34 PM
everyone please prepare your talking points for the first time an armed teacher smokes their classroom

That could happen now, whether or not legally permitted to carry in school....

ok the first talking point has been delivered: "there was nothing preventing a teacher from shooting their children in the past. the only way to stop a bad teacher with a good is a good teacher with a gun. at least our children now have a fighting chance!"

I rate it medium/low. 3/7

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 22, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
everyone please prepare your talking points for the first time an armed teacher smokes their classroom

That could happen now, whether or not legally permitted to carry in school....

ok the first talking point has been delivered: "there was nothing preventing a teacher from shooting their children in the past. the only way to stop a bad teacher with a gun is a good teacher with a gun. at least our children now have a fighting chance!"

I rate it medium/low. 3/7


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
1. Saying the AR-15 (the weapon of choice in many recent mass shootings) should not be banned because there are better guns for committing mass murder is probably the dumbest talking point I’ve seen referenced in this thread so far.

2. Please read the “best the avoid all cops thread” before discussing the merits of arming school teachers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 22, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Well to be fair KSUW is probably the dumbest person ITT so it makes sense
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 09:05:28 PM
1. Saying the AR-15 (the weapon of choice in many recent mass shootings) should not be banned because there are better guns for committing mass murder is probably the dumbest talking point I’ve seen referenced in this thread so far.

2. Please read the “best the avoid all cops thread” before discussing the merits of arming school teachers.

I thought this was obvious, but I’m saying that banning the AR-15 will have no impact on mass shootings because there are dozens of other rifles that can do the same damn thing. There is nothing inherently worse about the AR-15. It is the most popular rifle in America so it’s not a big surprise that it is frequently used in horrific shootings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 22, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
Great. Ban it and all other guns capable of mowing down 25 first graders in a matter of seconds.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2018, 09:10:53 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2018, 09:17:47 PM
pretty sure there's no data to suggest that more guns causes less violence.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Great. Ban it and all other guns capable of mowing down 25 first graders in a matter of seconds.

Did you miss the part about the VT shooter?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2018, 09:18:06 PM
https://news.stanford.edu/2017/12/07/new-study-analyzes-recent-gun-violence-research/


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2018, 09:19:22 PM
The analysis by John Donohue, a professor of law at Stanford, and Philip J. Cook at Duke University published Dec. 7 in Science reports some emerging consensus in the studies. Among the findings was that lifting restrictions on concealed carry guns increases violent crime and that laws restricting gun ownership for people convicted of domestic violence reduced killings of female domestic partners.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2018, 09:20:06 PM
Take that ksw's red neck gun friends


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on February 22, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
Guys, you can’t reason with stupidity. Seriously, you can’t do it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 09:24:12 PM
Great. Ban it and all other guns capable of mowing down 25 first graders in a matter of seconds.

Did you miss the part about the VT shooter?

Did you miss the part that no law is going to fix everything?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2018, 09:47:19 PM
What’s the point of having murder laws? It’s only going to stop law abiding citizens from murdering.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 09:52:37 PM
Great. Ban it and all other guns capable of mowing down 25 first graders in a matter of seconds.

Did you miss the part about the VT shooter?

Did you miss the part that no law is going to fix everything?

Nope. Did you miss the part that banning AR-15s wouldn’t even help?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Great. Ban it and all other guns capable of mowing down 25 first graders in a matter of seconds.

Did you miss the part about the VT shooter?

Did you miss the part that no law is going to fix everything?

Nope. Did you miss the part that banning AR-15s wouldn’t even help?

I don't think anybody disagrees.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2018, 09:55:32 PM
Here’s a pretty revealing article by a liberal. Essentially, liberal fear mongering tactics are all well and good if we’re using them for gun control, but we have to be careful not to let this get off course into addressing school safety or mental illness. Seriously, that is this author’s point.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 22, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
Here’s a pretty revealing article by a liberal. Essentially, liberal fear mongering tactics are all well and good if we’re using them for gun control, but we have to be careful not to let this get off course into addressing school safety or mental illness. Seriously, that is this author’s point.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html)

DNR, but I would hardly call it scare tactics. There's no argument over what the cause to the problem is. The argument is more about how much we're willing to live with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2018, 10:23:48 PM
 :lol: :sdeek:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/966882816720908288
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 22, 2018, 10:31:43 PM
Here’s a pretty revealing article by a liberal. Essentially, liberal fear mongering tactics are all well and good if we’re using them for gun control, but we have to be careful not to let this get off course into addressing school safety or mental illness. Seriously, that is this author’s point.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html)

i already posted that, you selfish son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 22, 2018, 10:34:32 PM
Here’s a pretty revealing article by a liberal. Essentially, liberal fear mongering tactics are all well and good if we’re using them for gun control, but we have to be careful not to let this get off course into addressing school safety or mental illness. Seriously, that is this author’s point.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/liberals-are-embracing-the-politics-of-fear-thats-scary.html)

i already posted that, you selfish son of a bitch.

the only way to stop a bad guy with an NYMAG link is a good guy with an NYMAG link
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2018, 10:38:02 PM
:lol: :sdeek:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/966882816720908288

These actors are dunking all over don.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 22, 2018, 10:46:43 PM
he is getting fitted for his Bozo shoes by a bunch of 17 year-olds :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2018, 10:55:29 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

Doctor says ksw is a dumbass


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 22, 2018, 11:08:48 PM
Not surprised

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/966577114655805442
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 22, 2018, 11:10:37 PM
The analysis by John Donohue, a professor of law at Stanford, and Philip J. Cook at Duke University published Dec. 7 in Science reports some emerging consensus in the studies. Among the findings was that lifting restrictions on concealed carry guns increases violent crime and that laws restricting gun ownership for people convicted of domestic violence reduced killings of female domestic partners.


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CATO has like a thousand studies showing an inverse relationship between guns and violent crimes, ftr
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 23, 2018, 07:10:31 AM
it drives me crazy when people dismiss/disparage the nra's influence as being about money. 

it's very convenient and intellectually dishonest for people opposed to this position to dismiss the nra as a lobbyist organization buying influence with money, because it intimates that the prevailing gun policy has somehow been achieved dishonestly or against the electorate's wishes.  however, that is not accurate.  the nra enjoys influence because a lot of americans believe very strongly that their right to possess firearms should not be infringed in any way and vote accordingly.  they have influence because our democracy functions as designed.

There seems to be quite a bit of divergence between the electorate and legislators (who also happen to diverge very little with the NRA). See poll numbers on things like background checks and assault weapons bans.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 23, 2018, 07:37:07 AM
I really hate our hayseed, ignorant society in much of KS.  I wake up this morning to a post on my newsfeed of a picture of one of the advocating students during an interview with CBS.  The picture included a red arrow pointing to his headpiece and the hashtag #FactsFirst.  This guy is jumping on the conspiracy wagon and thinks this headpiece (worn to hear the network talk to him during interview) is instead a coaching device by Democratic lawmakers so he knows what to say.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/sarahchad_/status/966924331086266369
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2018, 09:27:35 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

Doctor says ksw is a dumbass

If you actually read that article, you would quickly realize that (a) this is a medical doctor, not a gun expert, and (b) he was simply comparing bullets fired by an AR-15 to bullets fired by a pistol. I didn't say AR-15s were no different than pistols - I said they are not functionally more lethal than any number of other rifles readily available on the market. So is the solution to ban not just the AR-15 but all sport rifles? And how does that square with the fact that the worst school shooting in modern history, Virginia Tech, was accomplished not with a rifle at all, but a couple of pistols?

In short, the article you posted is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2018, 09:30:38 AM
CNN scripted the whole town hall meeting, right down to one of the students being so clueless that they asked a question scripted for NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch to the wrong person - Senator Bill Nelson.

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When a student asked Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson a question that was intended for Loesch, Tapper immediately jumped in, exposing the event’s script had gone awry.

“Senator Nelson, you don’t have to answer that question,” Tapper said. “Let’s move on to the next question.”

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/23/dana-loesch-heres-real-story-happened-cnns-garbage-town-hall/ (http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/23/dana-loesch-heres-real-story-happened-cnns-garbage-town-hall/)

Pure propaganda.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 23, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Scripted like this?

https://twitter.com/braddybb/status/966479968229183488
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
CNN scripted the whole town hall meeting, right down to one of the students being so clueless that they asked a question scripted for NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch to the wrong person - Senator Bill Nelson.

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When a student asked Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson a question that was intended for Loesch, Tapper immediately jumped in, exposing the event’s script had gone awry.

“Senator Nelson, you don’t have to answer that question,” Tapper said. “Let’s move on to the next question.”

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/23/dana-loesch-heres-real-story-happened-cnns-garbage-town-hall/ (http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/23/dana-loesch-heres-real-story-happened-cnns-garbage-town-hall/)

Pure propaganda.

:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2018, 09:58:12 AM
Scripted like this?

https://twitter.com/braddybb/status/966479968229183488

It’s difficult to judge the size of Trump’s hand in that pic without knowing how big the script is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 23, 2018, 10:14:06 AM
Trump doesn't wear a wedding ring?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 23, 2018, 10:15:31 AM
I liked that he has 45 embroidered on his sleeve.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
I totally missed that, but that is badass.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 23, 2018, 10:53:07 AM
I liked that he has 45 embroidered on his sleeve.

he's a colt-hearted SOB
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 11:08:41 AM
The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 23, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
Did the fact that he was using smoke bombs or gas or whatever factor into why the deputy didn't go in?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on February 23, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
Yeah pretty big blow to the "good guy with a gun" crowd.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 11:19:43 AM
I don't know that any reason was given, but the deputy's boss said he should have gone in.


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Israel said he suspended School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson on Thursday after seeing a video from the Parkland, Fla., school that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter was inside and attacking.

“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.


He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building during the 6-minute event, which left 17 people, most of them teenagers, dead. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?utm_term=.f020330da8ba
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2018, 11:20:23 AM
The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on February 23, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

So now we know that there were armed law enforcement officers on the scene of both this mass shooting and Vegas and they didn't stop it.  So maybe we can get bipartisan agreement that arming teachers is a completely bonkers idea and probably wouldn't work even if it didn't have all the extremely easy to spot downside costs that would result in plenty of people being shot that weren't mass shooters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 23, 2018, 11:30:44 AM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

So now we know that there were armed law enforcement officers on the scene of both this mass shooting and Vegas and they didn't stop it.  So maybe we can get bipartisan agreement that arming teachers is a completely bonkers idea and probably wouldn't work even if it didn't have all the extremely easy to spot downside costs that would result in plenty of people being shot that weren't mass shooters.

Bonkers indeed.  I would also bet that majority of teachers would refuse to carry. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 23, 2018, 11:55:42 AM
no question in my mind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people. :dunno:

Nothing other than threaten to murder people at his school.


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So why didn't authorities and those social media platforms do more to investigate someone who by all accounts was a ticking time bomb? A digital-crimes scholar and a free-speech expert both told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin that officials have the ability to take measures to step in before threatening online behavior leads to carnage.

In Cruz's case, that apparently didn't happen. A neighbor had reported Cruz’s 2016 posting about his desire to shoot up his school, but a police officer dismissed that concern and said there was nothing authorities could do, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Drexel University associate professor Rob D’Ovidio, who studies crime and technology, said law enforcement could have intervened.

“Most certainly the police could have taken action,” D’Ovidio said.



https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2018/02/21/nikolas-cruzs-threats-shoot-up-school-were-enough-warning-act-legal-experts-say/340728002/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 23, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
And then he didn't do it for 2 years, wtf are police supposed to do with that?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 23, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
If he did actually commit a crime by making a threat and was then punished, it's conceivable that his future behavior could have been deterred for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 23, 2018, 12:26:35 PM
The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people. :dunno:

yeah that's what I don't get either. what should the cops have done to stop this?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 23, 2018, 12:32:14 PM
So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html) The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

So now we know that there were armed law enforcement officers on the scene of both this mass shooting and Vegas and they didn't stop it.  So maybe we can get bipartisan agreement that arming teachers is a completely bonkers idea and probably wouldn't work even if it didn't have all the extremely easy to spot downside costs that would result in plenty of people being shot that weren't mass shooters.

Bonkers indeed.  I would also bet that majority of teachers would refuse to carry.

the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 12:34:30 PM
I've said it before, but it bears (lol) repeating: If the NRA were only interested in selling more guns, don't you think they'd want Democrats in office?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 23, 2018, 12:58:27 PM
The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people. :dunno:

yeah i don't really understand what they are supposed to do here, this isn't minority report
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 23, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people. :dunno:



yeah i don't really understand what they are supposed to do here, this isn't minority report

If he had been convicted of making a threat or whatever, would he still have been able to legally buy the guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 01:26:40 PM
The FBI received credible information in January (about a month before the shooting) and failed to act on it.  They actually released a statement admitting that they dropped the ball and should have investigated it.  So, according to the FBI itself, they should have done something.


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In a statement, the FBI said that a person close to Cruz, who has allegedly confessed to killing 17 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., called the FBI tip line with concerns on Jan. 5. The caller gave the FBI information on Cruz’s “gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

That information should have been forwarded to the FBI’s Miami field office for agents to investigate, but it was not.

“We have determined that these protocols were not followed,” a statement from the FBI read.

Quote
The FBI said it did not follow established protocols to follow up.

"Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life," the FBI said.

"The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time," the FBI statement said.


http://time.com/5162999/fbi-failed-investigate-tip-nikolas-cruz/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/19/how-fbi-handled-two-tips-related-nikolas-cruz/352142002/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 23, 2018, 01:34:24 PM
So what could the fbi have done if they investigated him? 1 in every 100 youtube comments are similar or worse than that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 01:42:34 PM
I mean, if you're a member of law enforcement and someone calls you with a tip about a deranged individual who has guns, has talked about killing people, and has expressed a desire to perform a school shooting, do you just throw your hands up and say "sorry pal, what do you expect me to do with this??"  Or, do you get off your ass, do your job, and go investigate it?

Maybe they get the kid to admit to his plot.  Maybe they get the kid admitted for psychiatric help.  Maybe they uncover enough information to charge him with something.  Maybe it turns up nothing and he goes on to commit the crime anyway.  At least a serious effort would have been made to prevent a shooting based on credible information.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 23, 2018, 01:43:46 PM
So what could the fbi have done if they investigated him? 1 in every 100 youtube comments are similar or worse than that.

I would assume they would see his pattern of behavior up to that point(January 5th) and do something.
I seriously doubt there are "1 in every 100" commenters that had his history.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 23, 2018, 01:46:31 PM
The FBI should have taken the information that this kid was crazy and sent a young, buff agent with his dorky agent friend to 21 Jump Street his ass. Create a plot and include their new psycho friend in it, then arrest him when he goes and buys the guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 23, 2018, 01:47:25 PM
Not commenters, comments.

Yes they should have followed through but I'm extremely sceptical that it would have resulted in anything except a report that they investigated
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 23, 2018, 01:52:27 PM
Not commenters, comments.

Yes they should have followed through but I'm extremely sceptical that it would have resulted in anything except a report that they investigated

sure but a random youtube comment is nothing like this tip to the FBI: "The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting."


you may be right. we will never know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
it drives me crazy when people dismiss/disparage the nra's influence as being about money. 

it's very convenient and intellectually dishonest for people opposed to this position to dismiss the nra as a lobbyist organization buying influence with money, because it intimates that the prevailing gun policy has somehow been achieved dishonestly or against the electorate's wishes.  however, that is not accurate.  the nra enjoys influence because a lot of americans believe very strongly that their right to possess firearms should not be infringed in any way and vote accordingly.  they have influence because our democracy functions as designed.

There seems to be quite a bit of divergence between the electorate and legislators (who also happen to diverge very little with the NRA). See poll numbers on things like background checks and assault weapons bans.

if those proposals were put up as national referendums (i just had to look this up, and it now pisses me off that the plural of referendum is not referenda, what bullshit), it that divergence would be meaningful.  however, our democracy is designed to afford some measure of protection from tyranny by the majority.  those voters interested in preserving gun rights feel more strongly about doing so than voters interested in curtailing gun rights.  their willingness to exclude other issues from their election choice, combined with our party system, ensures that as long as there are enough of them to influence primary success in at least one party, and they care enough about the issue to remember a candidate's gun rights positions and actions from one election to the next, they can control the issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 02:09:13 PM
the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

good lord.  sometimes i feel like spracne and i are the last sane humans left in the united states.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 23, 2018, 02:22:19 PM
I'm here sys.  That's why there's only one set of footprints.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2018, 02:37:21 PM
Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.141ab8f22b61) who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 23, 2018, 02:46:07 PM
I don't love the idea of some of my teachers in high school being given guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 02:48:23 PM
I'm here sys.  That's why there's only one set of footprints.

i knew spracne was a sock, but i'm disappointed to find out i am as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 02:50:09 PM
Examples of what the FBI could have done.


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The officer, Marino Chavez, overheard a 17-year-old student say he was going to launch an attack within three weeks, he said at a news conference. Chavez questioned the student, who claimed it was a joke, he said.

Investigators detained the student and issued a search warrant of his home, Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell said. Authorities seized two AR-15 rifles and two handguns, along with about 90 rifle magazines each capable of holding 30 rounds, though they could not say how many were loaded at the time.

McDonnell said he believed the student had an “extensive” discipline history and was “moving in the direction” of an attack.

The teen was arrested for making a criminal threat. The student, who is being held without bail, remains unidentified due to being a minor, McDonnell said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/21/school-shooting-thwarted-thanks-to-a-security-guards-tip-police-say/?utm_term=.bc832554ac8b


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Multiple weapons were found in the bedroom of a teenager accused of threatening to carry out a shooting at a Fayette County high school.

According to police, a 14-year-old male was arrested around 8 p.m. Thursday.

A student heard the suspect make the threat on the bus and told their parents, who then contacted police. Acting on that tip, police went to a home in Henry Clay Township to interview the parents and suspect.

Through the course of their investigation, troopers learned the suspect had planned to target four students at the school on Friday.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/01/26/uniontown-high-school-shooting-threat-arrest/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 23, 2018, 02:52:09 PM
I don't think that it's a conspiracy that the NRA is trying to sell more guns with the teacher plan.  They are blatantly trying to do it.  Their answer to everything is more guns.  Need to stop a bad guy?  More guns.  School shooting?  We need more guns in there.

K-S-U takes this as policy as opposed to the joke it is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 23, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.141ab8f22b61) who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.
He was a cop not a security guard.

It might hurt and probably won't help for so many reasons. Run your brain around a administrator in your old HS carrying a gun and the logistics around a shooter coming into the school....it's literally a recipe for a bigger tragedy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 23, 2018, 03:03:01 PM
the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

good lord.  sometimes i feel like spracne and i are the last sane humans left in the united states.

just a joke bud. should've used italics. the whole part about arming teachers isn't though. more guns is always going to be the answer from the nra. they sell guns for a living.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

good lord.  sometimes i feel like spracne and i are the last sane humans left in the united states.

just a joke bud. should've used italics. the whole part about arming teachers isn't though. more guns is always going to be the answer from the nra. they sell guns for a living.
No they don't. But if they did, they'd want a Democrat in the oval office. Gun sales have bottomed out under the Trump administration. Shoot (lol), didn't Remington just enter into restructuring?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 23, 2018, 03:12:30 PM
the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 03:16:14 PM
daris, for at least the last decade (dunno previous) gun sales have spiked when democrats gain some power because gun dudes think they have to hurry and buy all the guns they're going to want for the rest of their lives before they get banned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 03:18:41 PM
the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.
They don't sell guns. Nor do they sell guns "for a living." Their funds come from membership dues. While gun manufacturers may be big contributors, they are not the main stakeholders in the organization. The NRA was founded as an organization to teach youth about gun safety. No doubt they are a massive lobbying force, but their interests could easily be explained by the interests of their members.

My point is that if they were in the business of selling guns, the logical move for them would be to seek to put democrats in office, because empirical evidence shows unequivocally that that is a real boon for arms sellers. See Remington bankruptcy.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 23, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Hey 57 year old teacher that can’t check her email, here’s a glock. WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 03:22:52 PM
Also, it's not a given that allowing teachers who hold a concealed handgun license to pack heat on campus would even increase gun sales. If you look at the Venn diagram of (a) teachers, (b) willing to bring a gun into a classroom, and (c) licensed to carry such weapon, not only is the overlap exceedingly small, but one would assume that group already owns the arms they wish to carry.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 03:24:36 PM
Now, I think it's a stupid policy. But I also doubt it's calculated to sell guns. If so, it's a poor calculus, and someone needs some remedial lessons in policy from a strapped professor.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on February 23, 2018, 03:24:59 PM
Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.141ab8f22b61) who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.

It is completely absurd.  Cops carry guns because they enforce our laws at gunpoint, even if the force is implied. 

Would you really want your children potentially subject to gunpoint in a class setting?

I love teachers as much as anyone, but if you haven't perused WorldStar and seen what some teacher/student interactions are like in school, then you probably should.  There are going to be more than a few of those interactions that end up deadly, certainly more often than someone with ill intent showing up with a gun AND being successfully thwarted (it could just be that the wrong person gets killed accidently even when there IS an active shooter).

There are a bunch of other reasons it is bad that are also this obvious, but I have already wasted too much time on explaining this absurdity.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:21:29 PM
What happens when a student tries to take a teacher's gun? Kill the unarmed student? Fail in a physical struggle and lose the gun? Another teacher has to come kill the now armed student?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 23, 2018, 04:23:41 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-jonathan-martin-custody-following-alleged-threat-former-school-204356287.html

People with CTE really shouldn't own guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 04:28:41 PM
Did y'all know there is a federal statute allowing us to prevent the "mentally defective" from acquiring guns?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:34:06 PM
Did y'all know there is a federal statute allowing us to prevent the "mentally defective" from acquiring guns?

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Yes, but then what? It's complicated from all sides.

Also Kansas tried to amend their constitution to counter this law.

The thinking is that a federal judge could just declare someone mentally ill for the purpose of seizing their guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
What if the feds declare all of Kansas mentally defective and forcibly disarm the whole state!?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 04:40:22 PM


Did y'all know there is a federal statute allowing us to prevent the "mentally defective" from acquiring guns?

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Yes, but then what? It's complicated from all sides.

Also Kansas tried to amend their constitution to counter this law.

The thinking is that a federal judge could just declare someone mentally ill for the purpose of seizing their guns.

I'm not sure. I have a lot of questions about how this law is actually enforced/implemented. Obviously, not very successfully. I know that the Obama administration included those who cannot handle their personal finances into the "mentally defective" category (which seems mostly aimed at those with Alzheimer's or other dementia, in my experience), and the Trump administration undid that order. It's tough, but I think there should be a bipartisan committee tasked with promulgating regulations for implementing this statute. But admittedly, I haven't looked into the law. Would make a good topic for a note.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
It has to be decided by a court, which is of course hairy because it will strip a possibly law abiding citizen of a constitutional right.

The cops can't just seize a teen's guns on suspicion of mental defect.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.141ab8f22b61) who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.

It is completely absurd.  Cops carry guns because they enforce our laws at gunpoint, even if the force is implied. 

Would you really want your children potentially subject to gunpoint in a class setting?

I love teachers as much as anyone, but if you haven't perused WorldStar and seen what some teacher/student interactions are like in school, then you probably should.  There are going to be more than a few of those interactions that end up deadly, certainly more often than someone with ill intent showing up with a gun AND being successfully thwarted (it could just be that the wrong person gets killed accidently even when there IS an active shooter).

There are a bunch of other reasons it is bad that are also this obvious, but I have already wasted too much time on explaining this absurdity.

If a teacher is so mentally unstable as to be a threat with a gun to his or her students, there is nothing stopping that teacher from already being a threat now. Yes, I would feel safer for my children if I knew that staff were permitted to carry firearms subject to stringent security requirements. No, I'm not talking about allowing Millie the 60yo music teacher to bring a concealed handgun to class in her purse. You people are going absolutely berserk over a rather innocuous idea. I guess guns in the hands of law abiding, mentally stable people don't scare me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 04:47:27 PM
It has to be decided by a court, which is of course hairy because it will strip a possibly law abiding citizen of a constitutional right.

The cops can't just seize a teen's guns on suspicion of mental defect.
Yes, there needs to be due process. Could be an Article I court, though. Those can operate more efficiently.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 04:48:18 PM
I'm more concerned that these toters will be surrounded all day by completely unpredictable children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 23, 2018, 04:48:59 PM
I think that a teacher having a desire to bring a concealed gun into the classroom would be a pretty decent sign that they aren't mentally stable enough to be doing that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
I'm more concerned the these toters will be surrounded all day by completely unpredictable children.
Last year, Campus Carry went into effect here in Texas. Campus Carry allows persons 21 years or older who have a CCH license to bring their concealed weapons onto college campuses in the state. Last week, there were two incidents of pack'rs forgetting their pieces in restrooms on campus.

There are real problems with a nationwide policy like this. It would be a nightmare.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 23, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
I'm more concerned the these toters will be surrounded all day by completely unpredictable children.
Last year, Campus Carry went into effect here in Texas. Campus Carry allows persons 21 years or older who have a CCH license to bring their concealed weapons onto college campuses in the state. Last week, there were two incidents of pack'rs forgetting their pieces in restrooms on campus.

There are real problems with a nationwide policy like this. It would be a nightmare.

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I think leaving your gun in a bathroom should be treated as a crime, but most of the pro-gun people don't seem to have much interest in personal accountability.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 05:05:44 PM
Crime or not, it's an unintentional act with potentially horrible consequences, and it can be prevented by not opening Pandora's Box to begin with. Multiply that by tens of thousands of school campuses, and it's not a pretty picture.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 23, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
Could have gotten a warrant based on multiple reports that he is going to commit a murder, tap his phone, hack into his computer, follow him to see what he's doing, get a restraining order when they find out he is threatening to shoot people at the school, take his guns because of restraining order.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2018, 05:09:46 PM
the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.
They don't sell guns. Nor do they sell guns "for a living." Their funds come from membership dues. While gun manufacturers may be big contributors, they are not the main stakeholders in the organization. The NRA was founded as an organization to teach youth about gun safety. No doubt they are a massive lobbying force, but their interests could easily be explained by the interests of their members.

My point is that if they were in the business of selling guns, the logical move for them would be to seek to put democrats in office, because empirical evidence shows unequivocally that that is a real boon for arms sellers. See Remington bankruptcy.

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Seems like an unnecessarily fine distinction to make here.  NRA membership is undoubtedly influenced by the number of people who own and use guns.  The more people with guns, the more prospective members.  People with more guns also seem more likely to be NRA members since they probably have a more vested interest in protecting gun rights.

And I don't understand what the premise of your and sys's argument is regarding putting democrats in office.  Let's assume the NRA's #1 concern IS selling more guns to bolster their big donors and increase their prospective members.  Why do you think their top priority would be trying to keep getting a democrat elected?  The system is so predictably cyclical there is only so much effect you can have.  The most rational thing to do would be to ensure that--regardless of who is in power--no one is able to pass legislation that restricts usage or sales of guns.  That includes lobbying democrats and republicans alike (which I'm sure the NRA does).  Just so happens republicans are much easier for them to buy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 05:10:02 PM
Could have gotten a warrant based on multiple reports that he is going to commit a murder, tap his phone, hack into his computer, follow him to see what he's doing, get a restraining order when they find out he is threatening to shoot people at the school, take his guns because of restraining order.
Nope, just arm teachers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 05:14:24 PM
Could have gotten a warrant based on multiple reports that he is going to commit a murder, tap his phone, hack into his computer, follow him to see what he's doing, get a restraining order when they find out he is threatening to shoot people at the school, take his guns because of restraining order.
Nope, just arm teachers.
Yes, they could have and should have. But I thought guns weren't the problem? Aren't EVIL people always going to be able to find a way to commit horrible acts?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 05:15:13 PM
Cops can't seize every stone, hammer, knife, or club.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 05:15:49 PM
the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.
They don't sell guns. Nor do they sell guns "for a living." Their funds come from membership dues. While gun manufacturers may be big contributors, they are not the main stakeholders in the organization. The NRA was founded as an organization to teach youth about gun safety. No doubt they are a massive lobbying force, but their interests could easily be explained by the interests of their members.

My point is that if they were in the business of selling guns, the logical move for them would be to seek to put democrats in office, because empirical evidence shows unequivocally that that is a real boon for arms sellers. See Remington bankruptcy.

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Seems like an unnecessarily fine distinction to make here.  NRA membership is undoubtedly influenced by the number of people who own and use guns.  The more people with guns, the more prospective members.  People with more guns also seem more likely to be NRA members since they probably have a more vested interest in protecting gun rights.

And I don't understand what the premise of your and sys's argument is regarding putting democrats in office.  Let's assume the NRA's #1 concern IS selling more guns to bolster their big donors and increase their prospective members.  Why do you think their top priority would be trying to keep getting a democrat elected?  The system is so predictably cyclical there is only so much effect you can have.  The most rational thing to do would be to ensure that--regardless of who is in power--no one is able to pass legislation that restricts usage or sales of guns.  That includes lobbying democrats and republicans alike (which I'm sure the NRA does).  Just so happens republicans are much easier for them to buy.
I stand by my comment that democrats in power = more gun sales. Regardless of the cyclical nature of politics, the Second Amendment (and it's recent interpretation, esp. Heller) stands as a bulwark against disarmament, so why not just stir up gun-grabbing hysteria if gun sales are your primary motivation?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Second Amendment didn't stop the assault weapons ban, which I think probably no longer exists today because of the NRA rather than the Supreme Court.  There is tons of gun-limiting legislation that could threaten NRA's subscriber and donor base for good if they don't stay active.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
'stroph, you can invert your statement to prove the counterpoint (wasn't it you that posted this same logic in the facebook thread?) - they do not try to put dems in office, ergo they are not interested in driving gun sales.  they're interested in defending the interests of their members


and btw, the nra does not lobby both dems and pubs alike, they focus the vast majority of attention on pubs.  their influence is in maintaining gun rights as a central tenet of being a pub. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
I imagine the NRA is as interested as justifying its existence as much if not more as selling guns.  And they tell their donors what is important as much as their donors tell them. There's kind of a weird feedback loop at play.

Note this wasn't a fully formed thought, but I want to get it out there. I imagine most lobbying organizations are similar.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
'stroph, you can invert your statement to prove the counterpoint (wasn't it you that posted this same logic in the facebook thread?) - they do not try to put dems in office, ergo they are not interested in driving gun sales.  they're interested in defending the interests of their members


and btw, the nra does not lobby both dems and pubs alike, they focus the vast majority of attention on pubs.  their influence is in maintaining gun rights as a central tenet of being a pub.

I think you're thinking of spracne.  And my point is that if you care about gun sales it is completely rational for your #1 priority to be avoiding legislation that could restrict the circulation of guns rather than seeking to create short-term buying sprees.  Of course ideally you want both, but you're not gonna risk putting a bunch of dems in office if it could mean gun control legislation (the fear of which presumably is exactly what causes those sales bumps).

I actually have no information about who NRA lobbies.  My assumption is they would try to buy anyone who would listen but it's just tough for them to find fertile ground with democrats.  Kind of like KSU with 5-star recruits, you're not gonna spend a ton of time trying to land someone (even if it would be awesome) if the odds are like 1 in 1000.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 05:50:32 PM
I think you're thinking of spracne. 

what a moment for spracne.  first he's walking with chingon and now i can't stop thinking about him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 23, 2018, 06:05:27 PM
Yea my comment about spreading it around evenly between parties was a known false statement meant to spur debate and no one challenged it so I just kept rolling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 06:19:03 PM
I think you're thinking of spracne. 

what a moment for spracne.  first he's walking with chingon and now i can't stop thinking about him.
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on February 23, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
https://youtu.be/AK4_ogsh0Po (https://youtu.be/AK4_ogsh0Po)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 23, 2018, 06:54:17 PM
Their funds come from membership dues.
Whoa, Spracne just got the Delorean up to 88 mph.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 23, 2018, 07:07:43 PM
the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.
They don't sell guns. Nor do they sell guns "for a living." Their funds come from membership dues. While gun manufacturers may be big contributors, they are not the main stakeholders in the organization. The NRA was founded as an organization to teach youth about gun safety. No doubt they are a massive lobbying force, but their interests could easily be explained by the interests of their members.

My point is that if they were in the business of selling guns, the logical move for them would be to seek to put democrats in office, because empirical evidence shows unequivocally that that is a real boon for arms sellers. See Remington bankruptcy.

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I understand everything you just said. However, membership dues only account for roughly 50% of annual NRA revenue though and like a lot of people have already said, memberships are commonly purchased by and given out for free by gun manufacturers when you buy their guns. Exactly numbers are impossible to get but you can estimate that somewhere around 30 percent or so of money that the NRA gets every year comes directly from companies that deal in the sale of guns and gun related products and that number continues to get larger every year. So yes, the NRA is in the business to sell as many guns as they can. I also get that gun ownership spiked a little when everyone thought that Obama was gunna take their guns. That has nothing to do with the current president and people suggesting that the way to fix school shootings is to have 20% of all teachers strapped. That suggestion is coming straight from the NRA and the people that give them 30ish percent of their annual revenue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2018, 10:43:11 PM
https://twitter.com/theonion/status/967248737994203136


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2018, 07:58:03 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2018, 10:01:25 AM
about a year ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
about a year ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

The ACLU and other liberal leaning groups likewise opposed that regulation because it pissed all over due process rights.

https://www.reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment/amp (https://www.reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment/amp)

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A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.

It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 24, 2018, 12:34:22 PM
about a year ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

The ACLU and other liberal leaning groups likewise opposed that regulation because it pissed all over due process rights.

https://www.reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment/amp (https://www.reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment/amp)

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A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.

It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.
Fourth Amendment? I'm gonna have to check my pocket Constitution. Scott Shackford must be a DP fanatic...

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2018, 02:00:40 PM
"Several Broward deputies waited outside during Florida school shooting, report says"

New theory on arming teachers....they have to shoot themselves out to survive.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2018, 02:31:45 PM
https://twitter.com/TimfromDa70s/status/966764149408653312
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 24, 2018, 02:53:17 PM
Steve dave, that guy would have killed the trained super sniper with a rock, though.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2018, 02:58:26 PM
Fun seeing corporations turning on NRA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 24, 2018, 03:30:18 PM
Probably luked but....

https://twitter.com/eliza_relman/status/967214553858822144


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2018, 11:43:28 PM
I mean, I'm sure that this would never happen when a school goes on lockdown and the police show up on the scene and there are actually 15 people roaming around with guns.

https://twitter.com/jsmccullou/status/967784454004592644
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2018, 11:25:18 AM
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/968174588734603266
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.
Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2018, 11:34:48 AM


https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.
Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2018, 11:43:01 AM


https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.
Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

That's a pretty poor criticism, really. The news isn't really the news anymore when it starts calling ideas dumb. It's an editorial at that point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 11:46:21 AM
It's far less stupid than blaming the NRA for every homicide ever perpetrated with a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 11:46:59 AM


https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.
Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

That's a pretty poor criticism, really. The news isn't really the news anymore when it starts calling ideas dumb. It's an editorial at that point.
Yep.  And plenty of editorials have been written calling the policy dumb.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 26, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/967861558809423874
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 12:05:06 PM
In any event, it looks like the libtards have their talking points lined up (a. It's stupid, b. It won't work) once the fantasized policy reaches committew for debate.

It's unclear whether that will be before or after the debate on legislation deporting all mexicans, closing Hollywood and making women personal property.

Continue raging on
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 26, 2018, 12:10:33 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/968163890206068736
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2018, 12:51:28 PM


https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.
Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

That's a pretty poor criticism, really. The news isn't really the news anymore when it starts calling ideas dumb. It's an editorial at that point.

I'd suggest reading the entire thread after the tweet I linked - the media is far more than just "news".

This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:00 PM
This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.
I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 26, 2018, 01:12:10 PM
This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.
I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.
Where you getting it has public support?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 26, 2018, 01:14:30 PM
This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.
I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.
Where you getting it has public support?

One person on FB (friend of friend) suggested that arming teachers could be accomplished at no cost because teachers don't need any more training than concealed carry (which a "bunch" of them already have) and they can use their own gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 26, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
Executive Order to ban bump stocks.

"By the way, bump stocks, we’re writing that out. I'm writing that out myself, I don't care if Congress does it or not, I'm writing it out myself, okay? You put it into the machine gun category, which is what it is, it becomes essentially a machine gun."

oh man can you imagine if Barry would have suggested this?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 26, 2018, 01:19:37 PM
interesting listen

http://www.radiolab.org/story/radiolab-presents-more-perfect-gun-show/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 26, 2018, 01:20:25 PM
This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.
I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.
Where you getting it has public support?
Essentially every single real Republican supports it, so like 35% maybe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.
I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.
Where you getting it has public support?
Essentially every single real Republican supports it, so like 35% maybe.
(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/02/23/3b0d8218-b168-4a38-8144-ede15911be70/resize/620x/e0bc10b18eb1919c41525b489bd6210a/poll-2-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 26, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
Nice to see verification
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
20% of democrats supporting this idea really surprises me. Maybe they are republicans in deep blue states who want to vote for the least liberal democrat in the primaries or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 01:30:07 PM
Once you understand that what has been repackaged as "arming teachers" started as "not prohibiting teachers from carrying", you start to understand where the policy support comes from.

I personally don't think it's a great idea, but don't think it's a big deal either way because I'm not a gunophobe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
Nice to see verification
Well it's 44% of the population, including roughly half of independents and 1 in 5 democrats.  Just because everyone in your twitter circles think the idea is bad doesn't mean all your fellow citizens do.   

The comparison to farming the moon for cheese made by Rusty's twitter guy is unbelievably arrogant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 01:32:25 PM
Notice it's "allow teachers to carry"

Not the libtard propoganda "arm all teachers"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 26, 2018, 01:32:42 PM
Nice to see verification
Well it's 44% of the population, including roughly half of independents and 1 in 5 democrats.  Just because everyone in your twitter circles think the idea is bad doesn't mean all your fellow citizens do.
Not sure how you are misunderstanding, but keep on citizen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 01:35:11 PM
Nice to see verification
Well it's 44% of the population, including roughly half of independents and 1 in 5 democrats.  Just because everyone in your twitter circles think the idea is bad doesn't mean all your fellow citizens do.
Not sure how you are misunderstanding, but keep on citizen.
Well it's not all or only republicans like your post implied.  if that's not what you were meaning to imply then sorry.  rusty's twitter man triggered me.

to be clear, i think it's a bad idea too.  i just hate that guy's tone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2018, 01:35:16 PM
Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?

um the media? It's pretty naive to think the press should or even have an ability to simply "report the news" - deciding what they do and don't report is absolutely editorializing on some level. They don't report, debate, and editorialize every crazy rant from everyone they come across, nor should they.

You have a good point on the "considerable support" thing. I still think the media treating it less seriously would have seriously reduced its support. It would be interesting to see the minimum support a president could get from his side on the issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?

um the media? It's pretty naive to think the press should or even have an ability to simply "report the news" - deciding what they do and don't report is absolutely editorializing on some level. They don't report, debate, and editorialize every crazy rant from everyone they come across, nor should they.

You have a good point on the "considerable support" thing. I still think the media treating it less seriously would have seriously reduced its support. It would be interesting to see the minimum support a president could get from his side on the issue.
My "who gets to decide" question is tied to the issue having considerable support.  Obviously this isn't a fringe idea.  We're not dealing with flat earthers or moon cheese.  A lot of people think this is a good idea.
 
IMO, welcoming debate on the subject and having people say "hey this is a bad idea and here's why..." is a lot more beneficial than just pretending like it doesn't exist and/or nobody supports it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 26, 2018, 01:41:05 PM
Nice to see verification
Well it's 44% of the population, including roughly half of independents and 1 in 5 democrats.  Just because everyone in your twitter circles think the idea is bad doesn't mean all your fellow citizens do.
Not sure how you are misunderstanding, but keep on citizen.
Well it's not all or only republicans like your post implied.  if that's not what you were meaning to imply then sorry.  rusty's twitter man triggered me.

to be clear, i think it's a bad idea too.  i just hate that guy's tone.

I was just saying that of course it has support.  At minimum it will have the support of all real Republicans which is a substantial chunk of citizens (which I estimated to be about 35%).  Dems, RINOs, and Indies who support it as well are just icing.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:14 PM
I was just saying that of course it has support.  At minimum it will have the support of all real Republicans which is a substantial chunk of citizens (which I estimated to be about 35%).  Dems, RINOs, and Indies who support it as well are just icing.
Understood.  Sorry for my snippy response earlier.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Woogy on February 26, 2018, 01:48:24 PM
Executive Order to ban bump stocks.

"By the way, bump stocks, we’re writing that out. I'm writing that out myself, I don't care if Congress does it or not, I'm writing it out myself, okay? You put it into the machine gun category, which is what it is, it becomes essentially a machine gun."

oh man can you imagine if Barry would have suggested this?

Only Nixon could go to China....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 26, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
Thanks for the poll data. Shocked me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2018, 01:58:42 PM
Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?

um the media? It's pretty naive to think the press should or even have an ability to simply "report the news" - deciding what they do and don't report is absolutely editorializing on some level. They don't report, debate, and editorialize every crazy rant from everyone they come across, nor should they.

You have a good point on the "considerable support" thing. I still think the media treating it less seriously would have seriously reduced its support. It would be interesting to see the minimum support a president could get from his side on the issue.
My "who gets to decide" question is tied to the issue having considerable support.  Obviously this isn't a fringe idea.  We're not dealing with flat earthers or moon cheese.  A lot of people think this is a good idea.
 
IMO, welcoming debate on the subject and having people say "hey this is a bad idea and here's why..." is a lot more beneficial than just pretending like it doesn't exist and/or nobody supports it.


There's plenty of dumb crap that is largely supported by a lot of the people. I mean 45% of people say they believe in ghosts, should we debate that crap? (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/25/how-many-people-believe-ghosts-dead-spirits/794215001/)


If someone wanted to debate arming more teachers with me I'd tell them they're stupid and to eff off and/or mock them mercilessly and not discuss it further. I really don't care if it's arrogant. It's a diversion in the gun control debate that should center around registration, background checks, and how our country fails at mental health treatment and doesn't deserve any further thought.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on February 26, 2018, 02:00:37 PM

If someone wanted to debate arming more teachers with me I'd tell them they're stupid and to eff off and/or mock them mercilessly and not discuss it further. I really don't care if it's arrogant. It's a diversion in the gun control debate that should center around registration, background checks, and how our country fails at mental health treatment and doesn't deserve any further thought.

Telling people an idea is stupid and mocking it mercilessly instead of treating it seriously is how Trump gets elected.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2018, 02:04:09 PM
Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?

um the media? It's pretty naive to think the press should or even have an ability to simply "report the news" - deciding what they do and don't report is absolutely editorializing on some level. They don't report, debate, and editorialize every crazy rant from everyone they come across, nor should they.

You have a good point on the "considerable support" thing. I still think the media treating it less seriously would have seriously reduced its support. It would be interesting to see the minimum support a president could get from his side on the issue.
My "who gets to decide" question is tied to the issue having considerable support.  Obviously this isn't a fringe idea.  We're not dealing with flat earthers or moon cheese.  A lot of people think this is a good idea.
 
IMO, welcoming debate on the subject and having people say "hey this is a bad idea and here's why..." is a lot more beneficial than just pretending like it doesn't exist and/or nobody supports it.


There's plenty of dumb crap that is largely supported by a lot of the people. I mean 45% of people say they believe in ghosts, should we debate that crap? (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/25/how-many-people-believe-ghosts-dead-spirits/794215001/)


If someone wanted to debate arming more teachers with me I'd tell them they're stupid and to eff off and/or mock them mercilessly and not discuss it further. I really don't care if it's arrogant. It's a diversion in the gun control debate that should center around registration, background checks, and how our country fails at mental health treatment and doesn't deserve any further thought.
Ghosts aren't public policy.  People believing in ghosts doesn't really have any affect on anything.  If 45% of the public thinks that the ghost of Abe Lincoln should be our next president, then yes, it's time to have a serious discussion on why ghosts shouldn't be president.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 26, 2018, 02:08:02 PM
Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?

um the media? It's pretty naive to think the press should or even have an ability to simply "report the news" - deciding what they do and don't report is absolutely editorializing on some level. They don't report, debate, and editorialize every crazy rant from everyone they come across, nor should they.

You have a good point on the "considerable support" thing. I still think the media treating it less seriously would have seriously reduced its support. It would be interesting to see the minimum support a president could get from his side on the issue.
My "who gets to decide" question is tied to the issue having considerable support.  Obviously this isn't a fringe idea.  We're not dealing with flat earthers or moon cheese.  A lot of people think this is a good idea.
 
IMO, welcoming debate on the subject and having people say "hey this is a bad idea and here's why..." is a lot more beneficial than just pretending like it doesn't exist and/or nobody supports it.


There's plenty of dumb crap that is largely supported by a lot of the people. I mean 45% of people say they believe in ghosts, should we debate that crap? (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/25/how-many-people-believe-ghosts-dead-spirits/794215001/)


If someone wanted to debate arming more teachers with me I'd tell them they're stupid and to eff off and/or mock them mercilessly and not discuss it further. I really don't care if it's arrogant. It's a diversion in the gun control debate that should center around registration, background checks, and how our country fails at mental health treatment and doesn't deserve any further thought.
Ghosts aren't public policy.  People believing in ghosts doesn't really have any affect on anything.  If 45% of the public thinks that the ghost of Abe Lincoln should be our next president, then yes, it's time to have a serious discussion on why ghosts shouldn't be president.
45% of voting public
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 26, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
The idea has already been implemented in Texas in response to Sandy Hook(signed into law in 2013).


Quote
At least 172 of Texas' roughly 1,200 districts have implemented the policies as the nation has re-engaged in debate over whether teachers and other school employees should be armed at work, according to an analysis by the Texas Association of School Boards.


Quote
Under the program, schools in districts that participate can designate marshals who undergo background checks and active-shooter training. “This is not some insignificant, go-to-a-weekend class and all of a sudden you’re Rambo,” Villalba said. “This is a serious requirement.”

It's not clear how many marshals there are because it is a secret force. The few districts that are thought to have authorized them typically won’t even say they have done so — so gunmen can’t target them. Students don’t know if their teacher is a marshal. Neither do parents. It’s based on the theory of secret flight marshals — which Trump has also referenced.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/education/article/Armed-teachers-In-some-Texas-classrooms-the-12704933.php

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/24/armed-teachers-texas-trump-362397
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 26, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
Trump wants it more known than that program based on his description of cowards not going into a place where they know there are teacher guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/968163890206068736

unless his bone spurs were acting up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on February 26, 2018, 02:47:32 PM
That fat coward wouldn't even drive an armored golf cart into Ivanka's gym class to save her.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 26, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/968219332995141637

https://twitter.com/CaseyCagle/status/968199605803454465
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
Somebody should probably let him know that Lt. Governors don't actually do anything that matters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2018, 04:55:46 PM
haha, not giving someone an airfare discount for owning a gun = attacking
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 06:07:43 PM
The idea has already been implemented in Texas in response to Sandy Hook(signed into law in 2013).


Quote
At least 172 of Texas' roughly 1,200 districts have implemented the policies as the nation has re-engaged in debate over whether teachers and other school employees should be armed at work, according to an analysis by the Texas Association of School Boards.


Quote
Under the program, schools in districts that participate can designate marshals who undergo background checks and active-shooter training. “This is not some insignificant, go-to-a-weekend class and all of a sudden you’re Rambo,” Villalba said. “This is a serious requirement.”

It's not clear how many marshals there are because it is a secret force. The few districts that are thought to have authorized them typically won’t even say they have done so — so gunmen can’t target them. Students don’t know if their teacher is a marshal. Neither do parents. It’s based on the theory of secret flight marshals — which Trump has also referenced.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/education/article/Armed-teachers-In-some-Texas-classrooms-the-12704933.php

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/24/armed-teachers-texas-trump-362397

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 26, 2018, 06:32:32 PM
20+ school shootings in Texas 2013-2018

https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5672/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 26, 2018, 07:34:19 PM
Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 07:40:41 PM
Open Borders libtards talking about what is stupid/insane/meritless policy is extremely lol

Quote
The relationship between illegal immigrants and violent crime

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Water n 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation's most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their populatio

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear and demonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation's population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime of murder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state's prison system for the crime of homicide.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
More stupid policy: https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-jersey-bill-proposes-to-give-states-prisoners-right-to-vote-1519690171?mod=e2tw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 07:47:52 PM
Hey Michicat, the ACA called to remind you what shitty policy looks like.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on February 26, 2018, 11:27:43 PM
Oxford proving FSD a dumbass as usual

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on February 27, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/968250443292925952/video/1

I thought this was pretty great.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 09:52:23 AM
Oxford proving FSD a dumbass as usual

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

Immigrant =/ illegal alien (aka undocumented citizen)

Understand???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2018, 11:13:55 AM
https://twitter.com/marksimoneny/status/968266604940349440
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 27, 2018, 11:27:09 AM
https://twitter.com/marksimoneny/status/968266604940349440
This goes in (and has been posted in) the LOL TRUMP thread, LukeyCat08
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 11:37:38 AM
Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 11:48:26 AM
Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

I mean, it's very slightly less disingenuous than claiming illegal aliens don't commit crimes based upon studies on legal immigrants. So, we should give him a quarter of a point or something
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Oxford proving FSD a dumbass as usual

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

Immigrant =/ illegal alien (aka undocumented citizen)

Understand???

Quote
Concern about crimes committed on or near the U.S. border has also resulted in some studies about the nexus among migration, victimization, and criminal offending. Hickman and Suttorp (2015) analyzed whether undocumented immigrants were more likely to be a recidivist one year after release from jail than nondeportable immigrants. Analyzing a month of data from the Los Angeles County Jail in 2002, they found that 21% of inmates were “foreign born.” For those whose immigration status was known, and for which the inmate was not released to another agency, about 60% of the inmates were nondeportable and 40% were deportable immigrants. One year after release from the county jail, deportable immigrants were no more a threat to public safety than immigrants who were nondeportable (Hickman & Suttorp, 2015). Hickman and Suttorp concluded that the fear that undocumented immigrants are a disproportionate threat to a community’s safety is not empirically supported by analysis of data for the immigrants subjected to criminal justice sanctions at a local jail level. The re-arrest rate for all the immigrants (both deportable and nondeportable) in their study was relatively low (about 38%).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
I agree it would be difficult to make conclusions based on that dumbass analysis. Using recidivism rates from a sanctuary city jail to assess propensity to commit crime along the boarder is lol deliberately misleading. Ridiculously stupid post.

Apparently you missed this:

Open Borders libtards talking about what is stupid/insane/meritless policy is extremely lol

Quote
The relationship between illegal immigrants and violent crime

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Water n 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation's most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their populatio

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear and demonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation's population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime of murder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state's prison system for the crime of homicide.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 12:46:23 PM


Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 01:02:16 PM


Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".
I think the push for teachers to carry guns would also require them to be specially trained.   I don't think it's like "well, Coach Evans already has a CC license so let's let him bring his judge to school." 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2018, 01:05:57 PM


Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".
I think the push for teachers to carry guns would also require them to be specially trained.   I don't think it's like "well, Coach Evans already has a CC license so let's let him bring his judge to school."

All of the arguments that I have heard are just like that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 01:08:06 PM


Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 :surprised:

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".
I think the push for teachers to carry guns would also require them to be specially trained.   I don't think it's like "well, Coach Evans already has a CC license so let's let him bring his judge to school."
To the point of them being a class of law enforcement isn't something I've heard described and would be more palatable for parents I'd think.

Don should do a better job of articulating his ideas with all his good words if this is what he is going after.  I still don't think it would do much to deter....given the latest shooting had armed officers at the school and the kid came in anyways.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 27, 2018, 01:15:40 PM
We will soon enough have to link this thread to the "not just missouri, best to avoid all cops" thread.  If you think cops aren't well trained enough to avoid unloading dozens of rounds into people because they feel threatened, just wait.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
We will soon enough have to link this thread to the "not just missouri, best to avoid all cops" thread.  If you think cops aren't well trained enough to avoid unloading dozens of rounds into people because they feel threatened, just wait.
+1
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 01:18:58 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on February 27, 2018, 01:23:05 PM
I understand citizen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
im not talking to you, CHINGON
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 01:25:13 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against.
And with anything Trump says he is all over the board every time he speaks....yes this time he stated they should be highly trained but other times he doesn't mention additional training.

Highly trained is also very subjective.....especially in Trump hyperbolic speak....but if he meant teachers should become cops then my apologies to dear leader.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2018, 01:27:36 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against.

I guess I don't see "highly trained" as likely to be anything in addition to the course and test you have to take to get a CCL license.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 27, 2018, 01:30:02 PM
part of the discussion I heard today was having teachers trained with law enforcement to a point of being deputized and essentially operating as the "Air Marshall's" of education
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 01:37:18 PM
part of the discussion I heard today was having teachers trained with law enforcement to a point of being deputized and essentially operating as the "Air Marshall's" of education
That's how i've heard it framed in all the articles i've read.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 27, 2018, 01:41:56 PM
From the article I linked earlier regarding training...


Quote
Marshals go through a series of background checks and psychological evaluations and undergo the same active shooter training as police — an 80-hour program created by the same state agency that enforces standards for law enforcement. And they do that every two years.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: EMAWican on February 27, 2018, 01:53:26 PM
Just think about how much teachers complain about pay now vs possibly being a teacher, babysitter, AND a marshal in the future.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
From the article I linked earlier regarding training...


Quote
Marshals go through a series of background checks and psychological evaluations and undergo the same active shooter training as police — an 80-hour program created by the same state agency that enforces standards for law enforcement. And they do that every two years.

So they still would get a lot less training than the police or air marshals.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against.

I guess I don't see "highly trained" as likely to be anything in addition to the course and test you have to take to get a CCL license.

I don't know what Trump meant by highly trained but I'm definitely seeing people on Facebook suggest that a teacher who already has their CCL is already qualified and it won't cost anything to implement (they already have their own gun).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 27, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Also, it appears the staff cannot carry a firearm throughout the day.  I'm not exactly sold on the idea, but the program implemented in Texas seems to be more restricted and reasonable than many have made it out to be.  Of course, only time will tell if it proves to be an effective measure in preventing/neutralizing these events.


Quote
The marshals are technically a new class of police officer who are deputized only in an active shooting situation. They are not legally authorized to break up fights, for instance. If students are around, they have to keep their guns in a lockbox. They can only use frangible ammo, which breaks apart upon impact — theoretically stopping bullets from blasting into other classrooms.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
So when an active shooter situation arises, they have to chose whether to move their class of students into a move secure location OR go get the gun out of the lock box.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
If a teacher gets a stipend to conceal carry and then doesn't run toward the gunfire and kill the shooter, do they get fired from teaching or do they just stop getting their stipend?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
120 undisclosed districts.....Trump says the secret nature of these individuals will deter school shooters from coming in to schools because they don't want to take the chance of encountering a "marshal".....school shootings still happening in the state and not one example of these marshals stopping a shooting.......

Most recent Florida shooting the shooter went to school there so I'm going to go ahead and assume he knew a resource officer was there and armed....did not dissuade him from entering the school and shooting.

Seems we might have a couple good case studies here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 02:07:15 PM
I for one am stunned that the libBots have paraphrased and misrepresented the policy position in a negative light, and then engaged in false debate about said false policy position. THAT NEVER HAPPENS!!! 

Lol, this thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against.
And with anything Trump says he is all over the board every time he speaks....yes this time he stated they should be highly trained but other times he doesn't mention additional training.

Highly trained is also very subjective.....especially in Trump hyperbolic speak....but if he meant teachers should become cops then my apologies to dear leader.

Probably a good thing that Donald Trump won't be writing the legislation. I think we can all agree that the Trumpster is not a details kind of guy. Unless you just want to be perpetually outraged or "concerned," don't get in a twist about the nuances of every thing he says or doesn't say. It'll save you some stress.

If any state allows teachers to be armed, it will be similar to the Texas model.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 02:16:53 PM
If a teacher gets a stipend to conceal carry and then doesn't run toward the gunfire and kill the shooter, do they get fired from teaching or do they just stop getting their stipend?

They'll have to pay back all the stipends they had gotten upto then.


Also, I think that most school shooters know there is already a high likelihood that they are going to get killed during the event.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 02:17:02 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against.

I guess I don't see "highly trained" as likely to be anything in addition to the course and test you have to take to get a CCL license.

I don't know what Trump meant by highly trained but I'm definitely seeing people on Facebook suggest that a teacher who already has their CCL is already qualified and it won't cost anything to implement (they already have their own gun).

Probably a good thing rando people on Facebook won't be writing the legislation....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 02:18:05 PM


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against.
And with anything Trump says he is all over the board every time he speaks....yes this time he stated they should be highly trained but other times he doesn't mention additional training.

Highly trained is also very subjective.....especially in Trump hyperbolic speak....but if he meant teachers should become cops then my apologies to dear leader.

Probably a good thing that Donald Trump won't be writing the legislation. I think we can all agree that the Trumpster is not a details kind of guy. Unless you just want to be perpetually outraged or "concerned," don't get in a twist about the nuances of every thing he says or doesn't say. It'll save you some stress.

If any state allows teachers to be armed, it will be similar to the Texas model.

I agree with you....I'm being asked to frame my discussion around his specific words in a tweet...like you said that's ridiculous.

The Texas model isn't working.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 02:19:41 PM
If a teacher gets a stipend to conceal carry and then doesn't run toward the gunfire and kill the shooter, do they get fired from teaching or do they just stop getting their stipend?

They'll have to pay back all the stipends they had gotten upto then.


Also, I think that most school shooters know there is already a high likelihood that they are going to get killed during the event.
Would they be sued for wrongful death? Parents could argue they had a higher expectation of safety for their kids if the district implemented this plan.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on February 27, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
If a teacher gets a stipend to conceal carry and then doesn't run toward the gunfire and kill the shooter, do they get fired from teaching or do they just stop getting their stipend?

They'll have to pay back all the stipends they had gotten upto then.


Also, I think that most school shooters know there is already a high likelihood that they are going to get killed during the event.
Would they be sued for wrongful death? Parents could argue they had a higher expectation of safety for their kids if the district implemented this plan.


As long as they're a member of the teacher's union they're golden.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 02:21:41 PM
If a teacher gets a stipend to conceal carry and then doesn't run toward the gunfire and kill the shooter, do they get fired from teaching or do they just stop getting their stipend?

They'll have to pay back all the stipends they had gotten upto then.


Also, I think that most school shooters know there is already a high likelihood that they are going to get killed during the event.
Would they be sued for wrongful death? Parents could argue they had a higher expectation of safety for their kids if the district implemented this plan.

Are parents going to know that there is a gun wielding teacher in their kid's school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
Are parents going to know that there is a gun wielding teacher in their kid's school?
If it's like the air marshal program, then they'll know it's a possibility.

The more I think and read about it, i don't think it's a horrible idea.  Let me put it this way, if i was a high school student locked up in a classroom during an active shooter situation, I'd sure hope that some of my teachers were strapped and trained to react to that situation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 02:29:58 PM
Recap of all the dumb arguments advanced against allowing teachers to be armed....
1. "Most teachers don't want to be armed." WGAF? No law would force teachers to be armed, and only a select few need to be armed to possibly be effective.
2. "What if the teacher doesn't secure the gun and a student gets it?" What if.... a lot of things. You alleviate these concerns with rules, regulations, and training on who gets to carry and how. Millie doesn't get to just keep her Glock in her purse behind her desk.
3. "What if a teacher uses her gun to break up a fight?" (Seriously, I've heard this one). See point 2 re training, and seriously: how little is your regard for teachers?
4. "What if a teacher goes crazy and actually becomes a school shooter?" A teacher could do that now. And see point 3.
5. "What if a teacher shoots at a shooter and misses and hits somebody else instead?" Seriously, I've heard this one. And seriously, are you effing kidding me?
6. "We have no idea that this will help." Correct. This is what's known as a "preventive measure." It's not an argument against trying it unless the risk outweighs the possible benefit (and it doesn't, see items 1-5).
7. "This is just a ploy by the NRA to sell more guns." I mean this sincerely, this might be the dumbest of all arguments. Your liberal hysterics about gun control in the wake of a school shooting sell far more guns than a few teachers.
8. "We need to stop talking about securing schools because it undermines my true objective of banning guns." This one I actually agree with.

I think that pretty much covers it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Also, I think that most school shooters know there is already a high likelihood that they are going to get killed during the event.
I think this is a good point.  But even if the program doesn't act like a deterrent, if you assume that a school shooter is going to shoot until he's killed, then the idea is to kill him ASAP.  If we're actually trying to limit the number of deaths here, increasing the number of people who can kill him quickly is helpful.

That's not to say that this would be the only measure we could/should make to combat this problem, but I think it would be helpful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
5. "What if a teacher shoots at a shooter and misses and hits somebody else instead?" Seriously, I've heard this one. And seriously, are you effing kidding me?

Highly trained police officers kill people who are unarmed and/or not posing an immediate threat already. Are the teachers going to be more trained than police officers?

9. What happens when the police show up and there are a bunch of people aiming their guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 27, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
No one really thinks arming teachers would be a good idea.  I refuse to believe anyone who says they do isn’t just trolling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 27, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 27, 2018, 02:51:12 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 02:57:29 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.
Agreed.

Agreed, but it seems like taking common sense measures to enhance school security is a small enough burden (unlike, say, sweeping gun restrictions) that it's worth implementing, even if the odds are school shootings are infinitesimal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 02:58:27 PM
5. "What if a teacher shoots at a shooter and misses and hits somebody else instead?" Seriously, I've heard this one. And seriously, are you effing kidding me?

Highly trained police officers kill people who are unarmed and/or not posing an immediate threat already. Are the teachers going to be more trained than police officers?

9. What happens when the police show up and there are a bunch of people aiming their guns?

I'll add both of these to the list of dubious arguments, thanks, but let me wait a bit to see if any others filter in. Can't be updating this thing 5x a day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
Common sense gun restrictions would have the added benefit of not only reducing school shootings, but other gun related violence as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2018, 03:00:27 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.

The odds of either you or your kids being on campus during a school shooting are slightly higher than zero, though. There are currently more than 150,000 people who were students during a school shooting since Columbine. That makes close to 300,000 parents and some tens of thousands of teachers and faculty. That makes the odds somewhere around 1 in 1000 if you divide these people by the US population.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 27, 2018, 03:03:05 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.

The odds of either you or your kids being on campus during a school shooting are slightly higher than zero, though. There are currently more than 150,000 people who were students during a school shooting since Columbine. That makes close to 300,000 parents and some tens of thousands of teachers and faculty. That makes the odds somewhere around 1 in 1000 if you divide these people by the US population.
Agreed, but it seems like taking common sense measures to enhance school security is a small enough burden (unlike, say, sweeping gun restrictions) that it's worth implementing, even if the odds are school shootings are infinitesimal.

it's a less damaging idea than the idea of turning all schools into medieval fortresses with metal-detecting moats, i'll give the gun nuts that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 27, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
The odds of either you or your kids being on campus during a school shooting are slightly higher than zero, though. There are currently more than 150,000 people who were students during a school shooting since Columbine. That makes close to 300,000 parents and some tens of thousands of teachers and faculty. That makes the odds somewhere around 1 in 1000 if you divide these people by the US population.

that's including any and all shootings, not just the mass shootings that people care about.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2018, 03:10:20 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.

it would be kind of refreshing for a politician to say this out loud
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 03:13:55 PM


just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.
Agreed.

Agreed, but it seems like taking common sense measures to enhance school security is a small enough burden (unlike, say, sweeping gun restrictions) that it's worth implementing, even if the odds are school shootings are infinitesimal.

Define "sweeping gun restrictions"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 05:08:20 PM


just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.
Agreed.

Agreed, but it seems like taking common sense measures to enhance school security is a small enough burden (unlike, say, sweeping gun restrictions) that it's worth implementing, even if the odds are school shootings are infinitesimal.

Define "sweeping gun restrictions"

I don’t know. Define the “common sense gun control” liberals are clamoring for. One idea that seems to have broad Democrat appeal is banning “assault weapons” and/or just specifically banning the AR-15, which are both pretty absurd and useless ideas. Oh, and let’s not forgot the divest and sanction movement against the NRA.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 27, 2018, 05:52:40 PM


just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.
Agreed.

Agreed, but it seems like taking common sense measures to enhance school security is a small enough burden (unlike, say, sweeping gun restrictions) that it's worth implementing, even if the odds are school shootings are infinitesimal.

Define "sweeping gun restrictions"

I don’t know. Define the “common sense gun control” liberals are clamoring for. One idea that seems to have broad Democrat appeal is banning “assault weapons” and/or just specifically banning the AR-15, which are both pretty absurd and useless ideas. Oh, and let’s not forgot the divest and sanction movement against the NRA.
Wasn't sure you were referencing a specific or just in general everything people are proposing. Guess it's the later.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 27, 2018, 06:00:23 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.

it would be kind of refreshing for a politician to say this out loud

Yes, everyone would find it refreshing if trump said that.   :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 06:20:30 PM
What is divest and sanction?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2018, 07:02:35 PM
What is divest and sanction?

That’s a reference to the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanction) movement liberals have tried to implement against Israel and Israeli interests. They are now trying a similar tactic against the NRA. It’s not panning out so well for the companies who made knee jerk decisions to appease the mob. I think theyre going to discover that the NRA mob of 5 million+ is going to have more influence. We will see.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
What is divest and sanction?

That’s a reference to the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanction) movement liberals have tried to implement against Israel and Israeli interests. They are now trying a similar tactic against the NRA. It’s not panning out so well for the companies who made knee jerk decisions to appease the mob. I think theyre going to discover that the NRA mob of 5 million+ is going to have more influence. We will see.

What sanctions have private businesses leveled against the NRA?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
Local KC company Lockton just told the NRA to get mumped


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 27, 2018, 07:12:12 PM
What is divest and sanction?

That’s a reference to the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanction) movement liberals have tried to implement against Israel and Israeli interests. They are now trying a similar tactic against the NRA. It’s not panning out so well for the companies who made knee jerk decisions to appease the mob. I think theyre going to discover that the NRA mob of 5 million+ is going to have more influence. We will see.

What sanctions have private businesses leveled against the NRA?

Not giving nra members special discounts
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 27, 2018, 07:13:28 PM
We can all agree that someone should put in some effort to study the problem, right? Maybe study what kind of solutions could have a positive effect of reducing gun violence. You'd have to be pretty evil to not let someone try to solve the problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 07:15:02 PM
just a quick reminder that with or without teacher/gunners, the odds of a child being shot at school is essentially zero.  ok, back to your extremely important debate.

it would be kind of refreshing for a politician to say this out loud

Yes, everyone would find it refreshing if trump said that.   :lol:

It would take exactly .00001 seconds before the libbot twitter accounts were tweeting "Trump condones child murder" and .00002 seconds before those tweets were pasted in this thread for "debate."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 07:18:46 PM
What is divest and sanction?

That’s a reference to the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanction) movement liberals have tried to implement against Israel and Israeli interests. They are now trying a similar tactic against the NRA. It’s not panning out so well for the companies who made knee jerk decisions to appease the mob. I think theyre going to discover that the NRA mob of 5 million+ is going to have more influence. We will see.

What sanctions have private businesses leveled against the NRA?

Not giving nra members special discounts

That’s not a sanction that’s the free market
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
What is divest and sanction?

That’s a reference to the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanction) movement liberals have tried to implement against Israel and Israeli interests. They are now trying a similar tactic against the NRA. It’s not panning out so well for the companies who made knee jerk decisions to appease the mob. I think theyre going to discover that the NRA mob of 5 million+ is going to have more influence. We will see.

What sanctions have private businesses leveled against the NRA?

Not giving nra members special discounts

That’s not a sanction that’s the free market

yeah, but her e-mails ya' know?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2018, 07:34:47 PM
Good point. You voted for her right, lib?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 27, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
Arming 20% of teachers like trump suggests is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you guys are spending time debating it. Why not debate building invisible force fields that each student puts over their body when they enter into school and then take off when they go home each night?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2018, 10:16:59 PM
Arming 20% of teachers like trump suggests is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you guys are spending time debating it. Why not debate building invisible force fields that each student puts over their body when they enter into school and then take off when they go home each night?

In favor of this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 10:19:33 PM
Why do the force fields have to be invisible?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 27, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
that's a pretty good idea, dr. rick daris.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 27, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
Letting teachers that want to conceal carry is not stupid, you might have schools where 30% do or some where none do but the shooters won’t know which school is which and will probably shy away.  There would be no reason not to try this.  You would be shocked to know how many people you encounter each day that are carrying, SHOCKED!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 27, 2018, 10:25:07 PM
Hmmmm
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2018, 10:31:35 PM
Don’t most shooters end up killing themselves? I don’t think they’re really afraid of being shot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2018, 10:32:20 PM
I'd be leery of having kids taught by any schoolteacher enthused about, or even ok with, packing heat in class.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 27, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
wait a second, dr. rick daris.  wouldn't the insane shooter kids have access to these force fields too?  they'd be invulnerable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 27, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Don’t most shooters end up killing themselves? I don’t think they’re really afraid of being shot.

They do, but these weirdos want to control the whole deal an die at the END of their blaze of glory, they
Fantasize about it.  If you take their script away they probably look for another softer situation
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 27, 2018, 10:37:48 PM
wait a second, dr. rick daris.  wouldn't the insane shooter kids have access to these force fields too?  they'd be invulnerable.
Wouldn't the shooter's bullets just ricochet around inside his (I would say or her but come on) own force field and eventually hit the shooter?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 27, 2018, 10:38:11 PM
Or does the gun extend outside the FF?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 27, 2018, 10:39:07 PM
I'd be leery of having kids taught by any schoolteacher enthused about, or even ok with, packing heat in class.

You won’t know who is packing either  :ohno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 27, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
Welp, it looks like the force field idea is too stupid to debate.  Good try everyone. . . unless, the force field is programmed to crush the student to death when it senses the student is a homicidal maniac
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 27, 2018, 10:49:24 PM
Wouldn't the shooter's bullets just ricochet around inside his (I would say or her but come on) own force field and eventually hit the shooter?

unless, the force field is programmed to crush the student to death when it senses the student is a homicidal maniac

these are good ideas.  we'll have to see if the force field engineers are capable of incorporating these fixes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 28, 2018, 12:22:01 AM
schools are strapped for cash enough as it is, now we want force fields?  no way schools can afford that.  especially in brownbackistan.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2018, 09:28:56 AM
Just give teachers bonuses for bringing force fields for all the kids in their classes.  Easy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 28, 2018, 09:30:03 AM
Obviously the NFFA is behind this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2018, 09:33:16 AM
Funded almost exclusively by membership dues
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
IF you are 18 and desperately want an AR, better get on down to Dicks STAT.  They are mushing the NRA's faces
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2018, 10:32:13 AM
Liberal dicks  :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2018, 11:43:55 AM
Goddam free market was so much more fair when I went hank Aaron on my Keurig
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2018, 11:49:03 AM
Walmart, too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 28, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
Arming 20% of teachers like trump suggests is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you guys are spending time debating it. Why not debate building invisible force fields that each student puts over their body when they enter into school and then take off when they go home each night?

Why would you take the force field off at home? People can still get shot at home.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 28, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
So everyone who wants teachers to carry guns are basically saying, "Let's deter the shooter from shooting up a school and get him to shoot up some other place instead."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2018, 12:01:26 PM
I think you could maybe convince the psycho who shot up Sandy Hook to go somewhere else, but most of these school shooters are going to want to shoot up the school they actually attend.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 28, 2018, 12:04:49 PM
Arming 20% of teachers like trump suggests is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you guys are spending time debating it. Why not debate building invisible force fields that each student puts over their body when they enter into school and then take off when they go home each night?

Why would you take the force field off at home? People can still get shot at home.

Depending on how impenetrable these force fields are this would also serve to squash the teen pregnancy conundrum
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 28, 2018, 12:09:36 PM
Arming 20% of teachers like trump suggests is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you guys are spending time debating it. Why not debate building invisible force fields that each student puts over their body when they enter into school and then take off when they go home each night?

Why would you take the force field off at home? People can still get shot at home.

Depending on how impenetrable these force fields are this would also serve to squash the teen pregnancy conundrum

So it's a chastity force field?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on February 28, 2018, 12:30:30 PM
https://twitter.com/WHAS11/status/968913683454791682
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 28, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
https://twitter.com/WHAS11/status/968913683454791682
Soros set this up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on February 28, 2018, 12:55:29 PM
well this just proves that this could've happened at any time and has nothing to do with bringing more guns in to the school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2018, 01:11:15 PM
False flag! Soros!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 28, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
the students should be armed to protect themselves from the bad armed teachers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2018, 01:26:23 PM
how about that timing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2018, 01:36:37 PM
the students should be armed to protect themselves from the bad armed teachers

This is the obvious solution if the force field plan doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 28, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
crisis actors bro
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 28, 2018, 02:14:49 PM
What on earth....

http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/13357489-74/school-to-close-for-church-ceremony-featuring-ar-15-rifles
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on February 28, 2018, 02:21:31 PM
moonies are some interesting cats.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2018, 02:54:10 PM
moonies are some interesting cats.

canco
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on February 28, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
great.

now i am going to have to waste a considerable amount of time reading about the unification chruch
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second

amazing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 28, 2018, 04:07:10 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second

amazing

Will this finally be what angers his base?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on February 28, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidMDrucker/status/968945617597861890

 :love:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2018, 04:32:07 PM
Gotta say, this will be a LOT of fun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 28, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
Is Trump gonna take our guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2018, 04:51:18 PM
SIAP

https://twitter.com/guskenworthy/status/968900195147804674?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 28, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
Is Trump gonna take our guns?
This would be the cats pajamas

"The police saw that he was a problem, they didn’t take any guns away,” Trump said. “Now that could have been policing, but they should have taken them away anyway, whether they had the right or not.”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 28, 2018, 06:06:01 PM
strongly supports 2nd amendment gun rights, but not 5th amendment legal rights, which is how he gets you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
Walmart with a 2 handed dunk on the NRA  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on February 28, 2018, 08:56:01 PM
Who the eff buys guns at a big box store?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on February 28, 2018, 09:08:31 PM
costco has great prices on crates of a dozen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2018, 09:09:41 PM
I’m sure millions of people do, it’s very convenient and usually a good price.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 28, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
Legit question- why would a teacher be allowed to pack heat at a school but not a student if the student is 18? If we are doing it by merit and packing 20% of people at the school then maybe have a shoot off between the teachers and the seniors. Call it the annual students vs teacher right to carry. Top scores wins and get to pack major heat all year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 28, 2018, 10:45:03 PM
“Oh what’s that? Surprise test you say? Well how’s this for a surprise!?? Pew pew pew”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on February 28, 2018, 11:30:06 PM
“Oh what’s that? Surprise test you say? Well how’s this for a surprise!?? Pew pew pew”
Trump gun fire sounds for those ITK.  :Wha:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on March 01, 2018, 04:15:47 AM
Laser guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2018, 09:17:13 AM
What on earth....

http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/13357489-74/school-to-close-for-church-ceremony-featuring-ar-15-rifles

Pretty sweet images from this thing.

(https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201802/f_church_gun_180228.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg)

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5a9774cc/turbine/mc-nws-pennsylvania-church-blessing-ar-15-rifles-20180228)

(https://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/ar-15-church-1519840137.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.759xh;0,0&resize=900:*)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/02/28/TELEMMGLPICT000155895556_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqnpV-GRdD2fQt8qdeuHLgxTHJeBGwsHKtEzFScX40X2I.jpeg?imwidth=450)

(https://firenewsfeed.com/image/728x410/aHR0cDovL3RoZWhpbGwuY29tL3NpdGVzL2RlZmF1bHQvZmlsZXMvYXIxNWJsZXNzaW5nY2VyZW1vbnkuanBn)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 01, 2018, 09:30:18 AM
awesome.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 01, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
wtf
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2018, 09:46:28 AM
That's got to be from the onion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2018, 09:48:32 AM
The whole age limit thing doesn’t bother me, but I’m the guy who thinks we ought to raise the voting age, too (except for military service). I also much prefer that stores are voluntarily implementing these policies themselves, rather than more sweeping laws. End of the day, doubt this will have any impact at all, but I suppose if it gives the kneejerks a boost of dopamine everyone wins?

Still hope this doesn’t distract from the importance of better securing our schools and giving police better tools to take away guns from dangerous people - via GVROs that are carefully crafted to protect due process rights (damn Trump being so Trump :facepalm:) I think these are good ideas that could actually be effective.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
Legit question- why would a teacher be allowed to pack heat at a school but not a student if the student is 18? If we are doing it by merit and packing 20% of people at the school then maybe have a shoot off between the teachers and the seniors. Call it the annual students vs teacher right to carry. Top scores wins and get to pack major heat all year.

2 wrinkles: 

1.  Doogie Howser type teacher who is 18. 

2.  New kid who moves in halfway through the year and was not there for the annual shooting match would have a 2A right to a rematch right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2018, 09:52:37 AM
My favorite pic is the one where the guy on the left has a grin on his face while the army guys are walking by. Then he gets all serious when the woman is talking to him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2018, 09:54:31 AM
I’m sure millions of people do, it’s very convenient and usually a good price.

Yeah, if I were in the market for a gun I’d probably go to a super knowledgeable gun dealer to learn everything I actually needed to know, and then buy it way cheaper at Walmart or online.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 01, 2018, 09:57:43 AM
The whole age limit thing doesn’t bother me, but I’m the guy who thinks we ought to raise the voting age, too (except for military service).

You don't mind 18,19 and 20-year-olds fighting and dying for their country, just not having a say in how it's governed?

eff off.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 10:00:11 AM
The whole age limit thing doesn’t bother me, but I’m the guy who thinks we ought to raise the voting age, too (except for military service).

You don't mind 18,19 and 20-year-olds fighting and dying for their country, just not having a say in how it's governed?

eff off.

 how can someone who contends the 2A applies to every kind of gun and magazine now say "but not to 18-20 year olds"

That is a WEIRD talking point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2018, 10:02:36 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/28/pennsylvania-church-ceremony-guns/383815002/

Quote
An attendant checked each weapon at the door to make sure it was unloaded and secured with a zip tie, and the elaborate commitment ceremony went off without a hitch. Some worshippers wore crowns made out of bullets.

I wonder why they wouldn't let them keep their guns loaded.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2018, 10:05:48 AM
After 8 years of fear mongering about the black guy that was going to take there guns conservatives shoot themselves in there collective dicks and elect the guy that is going to do it.

  :lol:

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

and this

“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.

"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," Trump responded.

owning libs by shitting on the constitution
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2018, 10:08:37 AM
The whole age limit thing doesn’t bother me, but I’m the guy who thinks we ought to raise the voting age, too (except for military service).

You don't mind 18,19 and 20-year-olds fighting and dying for their country, just not having a say in how it's governed?

eff off.

 how can someone who contends the 2A applies to every kind of gun and magazine now say "but not to 18-20 year olds"

That is a WEIRD talking point

MM - I said “except for military service.” It’s right there in what you quoted. Weird.

DD - the 2A doesn’t compel any private entity to sell a gun, or prohibit any private entity from placing restrictions on how they sell guns or to whom.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 01, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
The last time our govt. created special rules to deal with a few lunatics we got the TSA. So eff all y'all in Swahili.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2018, 11:16:26 AM
Watch the real crap fly when financial institutions stop gun sales.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 11:27:23 AM
The whole age limit thing doesn’t bother me, but I’m the guy who thinks we ought to raise the voting age, too (except for military service).

You don't mind 18,19 and 20-year-olds fighting and dying for their country, just not having a say in how it's governed?

eff off.

 how can someone who contends the 2A applies to every kind of gun and magazine now say "but not to 18-20 year olds"

That is a WEIRD talking point

MM - I said “except for military service.” It’s right there in what you quoted. Weird.

DD - the 2A doesn’t compel any private entity to sell a gun, or prohibit any private entity from placing restrictions on how they sell guns or to whom.

no doubt, it is the free market.  but why are you actually saying you are cool with it?  That seems like a pretty soft response
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 01, 2018, 02:46:04 PM
I really don't think an 18 y.o. should be able to buy an AR-15, but can stores really discriminate based on age?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on March 01, 2018, 02:55:16 PM
You can't buy an AR-15 but here's your M-1 Private.

Heh.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on March 01, 2018, 02:55:23 PM
Can car dealerships refuse to sell a car to someone over 70? Would they be allowed to?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 06:39:02 PM
I really don't think an 18 y.o. should be able to buy an AR-15, but can stores really discriminate based on age?
That's a good point. Not selling AR's is one thing. But offering products for sale but refusing to sell them to someone based on age, who otherwise has a legal right to purchase guns, seems like it might be illegal.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 01, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
I really don't think an 18 y.o. should be able to buy an AR-15, but can stores really discriminate based on age?
That's a good point. Not selling AR's is one thing. But offering products for sale but refusing to sell them to someone based on age, who otherwise has a legal right to purchase guns, seems like it might be illegal.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on March 01, 2018, 08:06:31 PM
I really don't think an 18 y.o. should be able to buy an AR-15, but can stores really discriminate based on age?
That's a good point. Not selling AR's is one thing. But offering products for sale but refusing to sell them to someone based on age, who otherwise has a legal right to purchase guns, seems like it might be illegal.

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Depends on the state.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on March 01, 2018, 08:10:15 PM
the constitution says keep and bear, not purchase. I suppose it is arguable that limiting purchases counts as an "infringement" of this? (not a lawyer)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 08:36:14 PM
the constitution says keep and bear, not purchase. I suppose it is arguable that limiting purchases counts as an "infringement" of this? (not a lawyer)
This is more like a homophobic baker thing. Offering products for sale to the general public, but refusing to sell them to a certain, protected group.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 01, 2018, 08:40:25 PM
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2018, 09:00:49 PM
Honestly, maybe we should just stop pretending and admit 18 years old is ok for military service because that is the easiest age to recruit, but at the same time we want those people to be a bit more responsible before owning guns in this country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 01, 2018, 09:18:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisCoxNRA/status/969393625611333632

Do you all remember Stephen Colbert at the Correspondents Dinner for W? He said, "He (W) believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday."

Trump is the opposite.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on March 01, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Honestly, maybe we should just stop pretending and admit 18 years old is ok for military service because that is the easiest age to recruit, but at the same time we want those people to be a bit more responsible before owning guns in this country.

There's also a considerable difference in the amount (and quality) of weapons training received by an 18-yo in the military vs an 18-yo who just walked into their local gun store.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 10:37:48 PM
the constitution says keep and bear, not purchase. I suppose it is arguable that limiting purchases counts as an "infringement" of this? (not a lawyer)
This is more like a homophobic baker thing. Offering products for sale to the general public, but refusing to sell them to a certain, protected group.

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It would appear that a certain segment of the population have very suddenly decided they disagree. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 02, 2018, 09:00:57 AM
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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To be honest, I don't understand how car rental agencies get away with that either. I guess the argument is that insurance rates would be higher for those under 25 so they can say it would cost the business more? The same can't be said of gun stores. They don't pay anything extra because they sold to an 18 year old.

I mean, like I said I don't want 18 year olds to get these guns, but I don't understand how this is not age discrimination when they can legally buy them and they are offering them to the general public.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 02, 2018, 09:08:01 AM
From my boy Eugene Volokh:

Quote
A student asked me over lunch: Some stores have announced that they won't sell rifles and shotguns to under-21-year-olds. Is that legal, given that federal law only limits sales of handguns to under-21-year-olds, and doesn't ban sales of long guns to 18-to-20-year-olds?

[1.] Stores' own age limits don't violate the Second Amendment, because the Second Amendment limits only the government, not private companies. Likewise for the Equal Protection Clause (plus the Equal Protection Clause generally doesn't forbid even governmental age classifications).

[2.] The federal Civil Rights Act doesn't cover retail stores, and doesn't cover age, so it doesn't bar such policies, either.

[3.] But about a third of all states ban discrimination based on age in places of public accommodation, and some of those statutes may well ban refusal to sell guns to 18-to-20-year-olds. These laws vary from state to state, so I can't speak to all of them; but the one I checked -- Connecticut (the alphabetically first on the list) -- does indeed seem to ban discrimination against 18-to-20-year-olds in retail sales, with no exception for guns.

[4.] Likewise, some cities and counties have similar ordinances (even if their states don't); two I found, for instance, are Madison, Wisconsin and Broward County, Florida. (I looked them up just because I remembered from other research that they have broad antidiscrimination ordinances.) Seattle, on the other hand, bans age discrimination, but apparently only against people 21 and above, again without regard to whether the store sells guns or anything else.

[5.] Of course, the state and local laws will only affect the stores' policies in those jurisdictions; a store could have a general nationwide policy of not selling some products to under-21-year-olds, but a different policy in those states that require equal treatment of 18-to-20-year-olds.
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/02/28/can-gun-stores-refuse-to-sell-rifles-and (https://reason.com/volokh/2018/02/28/can-gun-stores-refuse-to-sell-rifles-and)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 02, 2018, 09:13:38 AM
So I guess the federal age discrimination laws are just in regard to employment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2018, 09:43:25 AM
A law that bans age discrimination for only those over 21 is pretty lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
A law that bans age discrimination for only those over 21 is pretty lol
Probably needed to comply with recreational marijuana.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on March 02, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Driving isn't a positive right.

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Depends on your state of residency. IRC, South Carolina considered driving a right. Insurance companies had to cover anybody in that state. Made for some very high insurance rates.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 02, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
they already have the exact same law for handguns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2018, 10:03:53 AM
they already have the exact same law for handguns.
The states are free to make laws that discriminate based on age, as long as no federal law says they can't.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 02, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
yeah, i didn't think that one through.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 02, 2018, 10:16:31 AM
https://twitter.com/CMUniversity/status/969601575365824512
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Joker on March 02, 2018, 10:22:01 AM
https://twitter.com/CMUniversity/status/969601575365824512

Crazy thing is that if it had happened a block down the road in an apartment building off campus it wouldn't be news.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 02, 2018, 10:39:15 AM
Crazy thing is that if it had happened a block down the road in an apartment building off campus it wouldn't be news.
They weren't students if it makes it less crazy.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/969602635065118720
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 02, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Driving isn't a positive right.

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Depends on your state of residency. IRC, South Carolina considered driving a right. Insurance companies had to cover anybody in that state. Made for some very high insurance rates.

Does this mean you can rent a car in South Carolina no matter your age?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 02, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
FYI, you can definitely rent a car younger than 25, you just have to pay more
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2018, 12:13:33 PM
Well, I'd imagine you'd have to be old enough to legally drive and enter into a contract. I'll look into this more later. Apparently there was a case in 1994 where NY successfully sued rental agencies, and now you can rent a car at 18 in that state.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
teenagers shouldn't be allowed to drive IMO. Voting's OK though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 02, 2018, 12:45:02 PM
teenagers shouldn't be allowed to drive IMO. Voting's OK though.

No one should be driving honestly.  I can’t wait for self driven transportation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 02, 2018, 01:00:52 PM
FYI, you can definitely rent a car younger than 25, you just have to pay more

On Enterprise's website booking, they have three age options...
25 & older
21 - 24
18 - 20

For 21-24, they add a Young Renter fee of $20 per day (which is about 50% of the rental price). Except they won't rent this age a 12 to 15 passenger van.
For 18 -20, they say they won't rent you anything (at least at Wichita locations).

Seems like they are still discriminating.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 03, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/armed-teachers-guns-schools.html (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/armed-teachers-guns-schools.html)

Quote
SIDNEY, Ohio — The 8-by-11-inch box sits atop a bookshelf in the district headquarters, as much a part of the office furniture as the manila folders, yearbooks and Webster’s dictionaries. Inside is a semiautomatic Glock handgun with extra magazines, equipment that education leaders here say will prevent this district from suffering the next schoolhouse tragedy.

Dispersed throughout the seven school buildings in this rural Ohio district outside of Dayton are dozens of biometric safes, tucked away discreetly in closets and classrooms, only accessible to a designated staff member whose fingerprint can open the box. A bulletproof vest is nearby, in an undisclosed location, fortified to protect against any bullet except one fired from an assault rifle.

“We can’t stop an active shooter, but we can minimize the carnage,” said John Scheu, the superintendent of Sidney City Schools.

...

Like many districts, Sidney City Schools was shaken by the slaughter of 20 first graders and six staff members at Sandy Hook in 2012. In the following days, Sheriff Lenhart presented Mr. Scheu with an equation: Every 17 seconds after the first shots are fired and the first 911 call is made, somebody gets hurt or dies.

“Even in the best-case scenario, we could get here in four to five minutes,” Sheriff Lenhart said. “You do the math.”

Within a year, Sheriff Lenhart had led what he calls a “layered” approach to school security and a “conservative” approach to arming teachers in the 3,400-student school district.

The district spent about $70,000 on safes, bulletproof vests, cameras, guns, radios and ammunition. Uniformed, armed officers cost $200,000 a year, and an insurance policy of $100,000 a year includes coverage for its staff with access to firearms. Those are negligible costs for a school district with a $36 million budget, the superintendent said.

“We’re buying time, and it’s of the essence,” Mr. Scheu said.

Windows and doors are numbered in the district’s schools, and visitors have to be buzzed in. Each school has a panic button and security camera system that feeds to the sheriff’s office. Every school has a uniformed, armed guard, mostly retired sheriff’s deputies, every day from bell to bell. The high school has a specially trained officer and a bulletproof window between the secretary and visitors.

And if all else fails, there’s a secret group of 40 educators — teachers, principals, custodians, secretaries — called a “first responder team” that can retrieve firearms in under a minute.

The team was vetted by Mr. Scheu and Sheriff Lenhart, and completed a 16-hour training course that includes firearm safety, unarmed defensive tactics and basic gunshot first aid. Its members are required to attend a concealed weapons course, as well as additional monthly trainings at either the firing range where they practice marksmanship and in school-based simulations where they practice in the hallways, identifying threats and eliminating them with air guns.

Since the team was created, it has responded to one incident, this past August when a student brought a gun to school in his backpack. It did not require a member to retrieve a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 03, 2018, 07:52:29 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/armed-teachers-guns-schools.html (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/armed-teachers-guns-schools.html)

Quote
SIDNEY, Ohio — The 8-by-11-inch box sits atop a bookshelf in the district headquarters, as much a part of the office furniture as the manila folders, yearbooks and Webster’s dictionaries. Inside is a semiautomatic Glock handgun with extra magazines, equipment that education leaders here say will prevent this district from suffering the next schoolhouse tragedy.

Dispersed throughout the seven school buildings in this rural Ohio district outside of Dayton are dozens of biometric safes, tucked away discreetly in closets and classrooms, only accessible to a designated staff member whose fingerprint can open the box. A bulletproof vest is nearby, in an undisclosed location, fortified to protect against any bullet except one fired from an assault rifle.

“We can’t stop an active shooter, but we can minimize the carnage,” said John Scheu, the superintendent of Sidney City Schools.

...

Like many districts, Sidney City Schools was shaken by the slaughter of 20 first graders and six staff members at Sandy Hook in 2012. In the following days, Sheriff Lenhart presented Mr. Scheu with an equation: Every 17 seconds after the first shots are fired and the first 911 call is made, somebody gets hurt or dies.

“Even in the best-case scenario, we could get here in four to five minutes,” Sheriff Lenhart said. “You do the math.”

Within a year, Sheriff Lenhart had led what he calls a “layered” approach to school security and a “conservative” approach to arming teachers in the 3,400-student school district.

The district spent about $70,000 on safes, bulletproof vests, cameras, guns, radios and ammunition. Uniformed, armed officers cost $200,000 a year, and an insurance policy of $100,000 a year includes coverage for its staff with access to firearms. Those are negligible costs for a school district with a $36 million budget, the superintendent said.

“We’re buying time, and it’s of the essence,” Mr. Scheu said.

Windows and doors are numbered in the district’s schools, and visitors have to be buzzed in. Each school has a panic button and security camera system that feeds to the sheriff’s office. Every school has a uniformed, armed guard, mostly retired sheriff’s deputies, every day from bell to bell. The high school has a specially trained officer and a bulletproof window between the secretary and visitors.

And if all else fails, there’s a secret group of 40 educators — teachers, principals, custodians, secretaries — called a “first responder team” that can retrieve firearms in under a minute.

The team was vetted by Mr. Scheu and Sheriff Lenhart, and completed a 16-hour training course that includes firearm safety, unarmed defensive tactics and basic gunshot first aid. Its members are required to attend a concealed weapons course, as well as additional monthly trainings at either the firing range where they practice marksmanship and in school-based simulations where they practice in the hallways, identifying threats and eliminating them with air guns.

Since the team was created, it has responded to one incident, this past August when a student brought a gun to school in his backpack. It did not require a member to retrieve a gun.
16 hours of training. Lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 03, 2018, 08:14:58 AM
 (https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28577171_794241940781843_6117622718004316655_n.jpg?oh=26d6a85ecc0de9cb46fcb070c95c8540&oe=5B07C42C)

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28277388_1730590366994971_8856683000499790505_n.jpg?oh=57c2f710a18031d344551c1ac37dc7df&oe=5B016CA7)

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Someone please fact check...
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on March 03, 2018, 08:29:47 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/armed-teachers-guns-schools.html (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/armed-teachers-guns-schools.html)

Quote
SIDNEY, Ohio — The 8-by-11-inch box sits atop a bookshelf in the district headquarters, as much a part of the office furniture as the manila folders, yearbooks and Webster’s dictionaries. Inside is a semiautomatic Glock handgun with extra magazines, equipment that education leaders here say will prevent this district from suffering the next schoolhouse tragedy.

Dispersed throughout the seven school buildings in this rural Ohio district outside of Dayton are dozens of biometric safes, tucked away discreetly in closets and classrooms, only accessible to a designated staff member whose fingerprint can open the box. A bulletproof vest is nearby, in an undisclosed location, fortified to protect against any bullet except one fired from an assault rifle.

“We can’t stop an active shooter, but we can minimize the carnage,” said John Scheu, the superintendent of Sidney City Schools.

...

Like many districts, Sidney City Schools was shaken by the slaughter of 20 first graders and six staff members at Sandy Hook in 2012. In the following days, Sheriff Lenhart presented Mr. Scheu with an equation: Every 17 seconds after the first shots are fired and the first 911 call is made, somebody gets hurt or dies.

“Even in the best-case scenario, we could get here in four to five minutes,” Sheriff Lenhart said. “You do the math.”

Within a year, Sheriff Lenhart had led what he calls a “layered” approach to school security and a “conservative” approach to arming teachers in the 3,400-student school district.

The district spent about $70,000 on safes, bulletproof vests, cameras, guns, radios and ammunition. Uniformed, armed officers cost $200,000 a year, and an insurance policy of $100,000 a year includes coverage for its staff with access to firearms. Those are negligible costs for a school district with a $36 million budget, the superintendent said.

“We’re buying time, and it’s of the essence,” Mr. Scheu said.

Windows and doors are numbered in the district’s schools, and visitors have to be buzzed in. Each school has a panic button and security camera system that feeds to the sheriff’s office. Every school has a uniformed, armed guard, mostly retired sheriff’s deputies, every day from bell to bell. The high school has a specially trained officer and a bulletproof window between the secretary and visitors.

And if all else fails, there’s a secret group of 40 educators — teachers, principals, custodians, secretaries — called a “first responder team” that can retrieve firearms in under a minute.

The team was vetted by Mr. Scheu and Sheriff Lenhart, and completed a 16-hour training course that includes firearm safety, unarmed defensive tactics and basic gunshot first aid. Its members are required to attend a concealed weapons course, as well as additional monthly trainings at either the firing range where they practice marksmanship and in school-based simulations where they practice in the hallways, identifying threats and eliminating them with air guns.

Since the team was created, it has responded to one incident, this past August when a student brought a gun to school in his backpack. It did not require a member to retrieve a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on March 03, 2018, 08:51:41 AM
https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/969819857976897536?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 09, 2018, 09:20:40 AM
There is growing speculation that liberal initiatives to end the “school pipeline to prison” may have stymied attempts to incarcerate the Parkland shooter. He had a known history of violence and threats.

www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2018-03-06/did-an-obama-era-school-discipline-policy-contribute-to-the-parkland-shooting (http://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2018-03-06/did-an-obama-era-school-discipline-policy-contribute-to-the-parkland-shooting)

https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html (https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html)

Interestingly, liberals now cite the “pipeline to prison” as an important reason why we must not allow teachers to be armed. Evidently, they’ll start capping black kids.

http://time.com/5186040/sherrilyn-ifill-black-children-classroom/?xid=homepage (http://time.com/5186040/sherrilyn-ifill-black-children-classroom/?xid=homepage)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on March 09, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/971785983728418817?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
Pokémon doesn’t encourage people to kill people SMDH mocat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 09, 2018, 02:21:03 PM
Pokémon doesn’t encourage people to kill people SMDH mocat

Didn't some people kill themselves by walking off a cliff while playing Pokémon Go though?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 09, 2018, 02:26:32 PM
violent af

(http://images.nintendolife.com/screenshots/78279/full.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2018, 02:30:58 PM
Look at those incisors my god
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2018, 08:30:36 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180310/40ea9775d6df6aaf547a75fa4ef206b3.jpg)


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 09, 2018, 10:35:02 PM
https://twitter.com/NRA/status/972270527955066880

I'm surprised Florida passed this law. Even more surprised the NRA is suing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 11, 2018, 06:56:48 PM
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 12, 2018, 01:18:35 PM
We gotta find more kids to tweet our agenda to victory!!

https://newrepublic.com/article/147301/parkland-blueprint-climate-activism (https://newrepublic.com/article/147301/parkland-blueprint-climate-activism)

Actually, let’s just use the same kids!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2018, 01:21:40 PM
I bet those kids don't even care about guns, little buttholes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2018, 01:34:40 PM
 
I bet those kids don't even care about guns, little buttholes

Crisis actors rarely do
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 12, 2018, 01:44:29 PM
I'd like some of that George Soros money for being a crisis actor, I wonder where I can apply.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
the Nu GOP v. The Kids is my favorite rivalry of 2018 so far
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on March 12, 2018, 02:21:59 PM
the Nu GOP v. The Kids is my favorite rivalry of 2018 so far

I prefer it as the BID to own the libs vs. tide pod eater rivalry
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2018, 04:34:14 PM
Trump v. Free traders
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2018, 05:53:04 PM
Evangelicals v antiquated notions of traditional marriage
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 12, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
Everybody makes more money v. Democrats

and

Open government v. Shutting down the government for illegal aliens
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 14, 2018, 07:50:02 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/973903265711755264
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 14, 2018, 08:54:44 AM
:lol: except not actually funny
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 14, 2018, 08:57:55 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/973903265711755264
Quote
Daniel “PK” Diffenbaugh, superintendent of the Monterey Peninsula Unified School District, told the Weekly that the incident occurred during the administration of justice class, a career track course offered by the school.

Boom, justice administered.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 14, 2018, 09:09:34 AM
Quote
Gonzales said he learned about the incident when his 17-year-old son came home with blood on his shirt and bullet fragments in his neck.

What?!?!?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2018, 10:00:26 AM
what a completely non shocking turn of events
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on March 14, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
guns don't hurt people. acoustic ceiling tile hurts people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 14, 2018, 10:16:48 AM
That dude looks like he really loves guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 14, 2018, 11:54:24 AM
Hogg reads gE

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/973587002313424896?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2018, 03:39:03 PM
He wouldn’t use the word soft target if he saw the biceps on my gym teacher
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
Hogg reads gE

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/973587002313424896?s=19

Should credit his favorite BBS’er


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2018, 04:00:53 PM
Which is me
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2018, 04:03:10 PM
steve dave
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 14, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
https://twitter.com/ladbible/status/974028008318173184
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 15, 2018, 10:41:09 AM
https://www.theroot.com/i-hope-its-a-trap-and-yall-get-shot-sister-of-white-su-1823793407

So much mental illness in this country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 15, 2018, 11:18:06 AM
that 17 minute walkout made a herd of people very upset
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 15, 2018, 11:19:55 AM
https://www.theroot.com/i-hope-its-a-trap-and-yall-get-shot-sister-of-white-su-1823793407

So much mental illness in this country.

This one looks like shitty parents.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 15, 2018, 08:48:36 PM
incred

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYX7l-yW4AAhhEl.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 16, 2018, 01:02:17 AM
attacking survivors of a recent massacre to pwn the libs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 16, 2018, 07:46:23 AM
People still use the term "pwning"?

I had no idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 16, 2018, 08:19:00 AM
Alabama lawmaker: We shouldn't arm teachers because most are women (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/women_scare_of_guns.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 16, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
People still use the term "pwning"?

I had no idea.

some tools still say "facepalm city"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 16, 2018, 01:14:07 PM
https://twitter.com/wxdam/status/974045292420091905
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 16, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
People still use the term "pwning"?

I had no idea.

some tools still say "facepalm city"
Population: Dougie Dickstone
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 17, 2018, 10:40:29 AM
Kroger-brand guns now to be gone entirely.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/fred-meyer-stores-to-stop-selling-guns-and-ammunition/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 20, 2018, 07:51:19 AM
https://twitter.com/firstsheriff/status/976075399372394496
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2018, 03:31:15 PM
https://twitter.com/firstsheriff/status/976075399372394496
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/
Appears Trump may have a  good idea about gunning down the shooter.  Resource cop shot school shooter after he wounded 2 kids.  Saved many.  Shooter shot and died.  Saved taxpayers money by not having to prosecute him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
https://twitter.com/firstsheriff/status/976075399372394496
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/
Appears Trump may have a  good idea about gunning down the shooter.  Resource cop shot school shooter after he wounded 2 kids.  Saved many.  Shooter shot and died.  Saved taxpayers money by not having to prosecute him.
The idea where police officers shoot shooters is different from the one where teachers do
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on March 20, 2018, 03:38:38 PM
https://twitter.com/firstsheriff/status/976075399372394496
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/
Appears Trump may have a  good idea about gunning down the shooter.  Resource cop shot school shooter after he wounded 2 kids.  Saved many.  Shooter shot and died.  Saved taxpayers money by not having to prosecute him.
The idea where police officers shoot shooters is different from the one where teachers do

Making a distinction between someone who is already trained to handle a gun and someone who is not is a hard concept for Trump voters.  It’s either you have a gun or you don’t, just that binary understanding maxes out the ole brainpower.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/977596973573435392
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 24, 2018, 04:50:05 PM
https://twitter.com/thetweetofgod/status/977614088413921280?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 25, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
Gingrich was on Fox this morn, immediately demanded to know who paid for the marches.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 26, 2018, 09:50:04 AM
Market forces just KO'd Remington
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 26, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
Santorum thinks kids should take CPR training to combat school shootings
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 26, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Santorum thinks kids should take CPR training to combat school shootings


I was watching and it was pretty amazing. He said that instead of trying to persuade politicians they should do something that will actually make a difference like take a CPR class.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 26, 2018, 06:23:40 PM
Market forces just KO'd Remington

Hillary could have kept them afloat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 26, 2018, 07:00:31 PM
Market forces just KO'd Remington

Pretty savvy way to not pay a dime in liability to sandy hook victims families.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
Market forces just KO'd Remington

Pretty savvy way to not pay a dime in liability to sandy hook victims families.

Pretty sure thorough discovery would reveal that shooting never happened.  crisis actors etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
(https://i.redd.it/cgcbh0mgmho01.jpg)

Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2018, 10:45:48 AM
Tbh, I think that criticism of the right is a bit lame. These teens have a valid message and should be heard. But precisely because I think they should be taken as seriously as any politician or other authority on the subject, I think it is entirely fair to critique their message or authority/expertise on the topic.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2018, 11:08:38 AM
Tbh, I think that criticism of the right is a bit lame. These teens have a valid message and should be heard. But precisely because I think they should be taken as seriously as any politician or other authority on the subject, I think it is entirely fair to critique their message or authority/expertise on the topic.

Is telling them to stop demonstrating for a change and taking a CPR class a real critique?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 11:25:58 AM
How many politicians have survived mass shootings? If anything these students are uniquely qualified to speak on the subject of gun violence because of their experience.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2018, 11:30:05 AM
How many politicians have survived mass shootings? If anything these students are uniquely qualified to speak on the subject of gun violence because of their experience.

That republican softball team survived one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 28, 2018, 11:41:17 AM
Tbh, I think that criticism of the right is a bit lame. These teens have a valid message and should be heard. But precisely because I think they should be taken as seriously as any politician or other authority on the subject, I think it is entirely fair to critique their message or authority/expertise on the topic.

I agree and would actually put their authority/expertise as fairly high since they are the generation that grew up having their schools shot up to hell 24/7.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2018, 11:52:13 AM
We should listen to kids/victims coached by Valerie Jarrett, but ignore Jesse Hughes.

crisis actors  :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 28, 2018, 12:16:51 PM
Tbh, I think that criticism of the right is a bit lame. These teens have a valid message and should be heard. But precisely because I think they should be taken as seriously as any politician or other authority on the subject, I think it is entirely fair to critique their message or authority/expertise on the topic.

Is telling them to stop demonstrating for a change and taking a CPR class a real critique?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZOn5a4VQAEblVI.jpg)

Here's another beaut
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 12:22:22 PM
Have we discussed the "I just threw up on international television, and I feel GREAT!" girl yet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2018, 12:49:46 PM
Don’t think so, spracs. Please know that it only counts if it comes in meme form.  Hit us with some memes, son!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
It seems it's not conducive to meme form. Here's the video, if anyone's interested:  [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPIiazwvX_0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2018, 01:18:30 PM
the students/activists shouldn't be called nazis or unfairly criticized. however if they are going to enter the political realm, opposition should be expected. In fact, they should take opposition to their views as a compliment, as it is treating them like adults. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2018, 01:23:28 PM
I can't believe a politician took a picture with that kid #puppetmaster #behindthecurtain
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
the students/activists shouldn't be called nazis or unfairly criticized. however if they are going to enter the political realm, opposition should be expected. In fact, they should take opposition to their views as a compliment, as it is treating them like adults.

Absolutely.  I think most of them realize (maybe have been counseled) that the unhinging they are causing only helps them stay relevant.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
Tbh, I think that criticism of the right is a bit lame. These teens have a valid message and should be heard. But precisely because I think they should be taken as seriously as any politician or other authority on the subject, I think it is entirely fair to critique their message or authority/expertise on the topic.

Is telling them to stop demonstrating for a change and taking a CPR class a real critique?

No, but I wouldn’t call it “targeting” kids either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2018, 02:47:05 PM
I’m saying you can’t separate fair criticism from unfair criticism just because they’re high schoolers. People, including elected officials, say completely off the rails stuff to attack other politicians. It’s frustrating, but that has become table stakes for trying to make a difference.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 03:03:34 PM
If you use your youth and publicity as a sword, you can't expect the same to be a shield.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
I think the tweet that started this dumb discussion was a pretty dumb analogy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2018, 04:12:53 PM
Pick a better analogy if you think it would help elevate the discussion. This point has been repeated in many other forms to attack conservatives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/979021639458459648
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2018, 09:04:40 AM
Maybe he has a lousy SAT/ACT score?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
amazing how much some people hate that kid
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 29, 2018, 09:17:17 AM
It’s incredible how snowflakey they are
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 29, 2018, 09:55:11 AM
amazing how much some people hate that kid
He's got a very punchable face.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 29, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
amazing how much some people hate that kid
He's got a very punchable face.  :dunno:

Image shaming. Sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2018, 10:28:42 AM
amazing how much some people hate that kid
He's got a very punchable face.  :dunno:

great example ^
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 29, 2018, 10:44:14 AM
Yeah, you totally knocked it out of the park, chodecat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 29, 2018, 10:51:14 AM
He's a wal mart version of patrick bateman
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2018, 10:51:22 AM
Maybe he has a lousy SAT/ACT score?
All the UC schools are ridiculously selective. Maybe not Riverside, but that would be about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 29, 2018, 12:02:18 PM
i bet merced isn't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2018, 12:02:37 PM
i bet merced isn't.
Yeah I forgot about that one
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 29, 2018, 12:27:52 PM
Anyone who's anti-gun is a tool, for realz.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
amazing how much some people hate that kid
He's got a very punchable face.  :dunno:

Making fun is someone’s looks smh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 29, 2018, 01:41:52 PM
I know a spot he might learn to love full well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 31, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
I’m not sure I’ve seen anything as pathetic as Laura Ingrahm’s crying about this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2018, 01:09:49 PM
I’m not sure I’ve seen anything as pathetic as Laura Ingrahm’s crying about this

well, she got humiliated by a HS kid. she's got some things to cry about.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 31, 2018, 01:15:09 PM
I think her folks whining and moaning about free speech when all he did was call out her soonsirsvwhich is absolutely normal and happens on both sides non stop.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 01:15:33 PM
I know this will be an unpopular take and I obviously don't get this thread, but does anyone else feel like these kids didn't give two effs about guns two months ago and they're trying to extend their 15 minutes of fame by actually using the deaths of their classmates for their own fame? Cool. I thought I was the only one.

Well, what happened in the past two months that may have made them more passionate about gun control and decide to do something about it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 01:16:58 PM
Bucket, do you still think Medical Errors don't exist? I need to know what I'm getting into here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
I don't think those kids are the anti christ like some dipshit conservatives do, but I do believe they're soaking in this fame to a point where they can't believe they don't get into a school because they're not smart, but feel like they should because they're popular now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 01:24:19 PM
Bucket, do you still think Medical Errors don't exist? I need to know what I'm getting into here.

Lol wut?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 01:28:07 PM
Don't play dumb, bud.

Lol. Dammit. Bucket deleted his post. Anyways bucket said "it's not a real thing" and he's wrong.

http://www.mdmag.com/conference-coverage/aapa-2017/medical-errors-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-united-states
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 01:38:35 PM
Don't play dumb, bud.

Lol. Dammit. Bucket deleted his post. Anyways bucket said "it's not a real thing" and he's wrong.

http://www.mdmag.com/conference-coverage/aapa-2017/medical-errors-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-united-states

I honestly didn't see your post and I'm happy to respond to it and why I deleted said post.

First, the statistics are presented as fact when they're not. My problem with the image was that is was deceptively misleading. I mistakenly said it wasn't a real thing, which one could argue, but that's not an argument I'm interested in having. Plus, that's not what that thread is about anyways. That meme lists a bunch of issues that kill more Americans than guns. That's fair but most of them are either from natural causes or from personal vices that effect the user and not innocent people. So, I think it's a stupid argument but it's true to an extent.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 01:48:00 PM
Ppl dying sucks man. Guns suck too, but I still don't believe these kids really gaf about the matter. I get the criticism, but I also think they're getting crap on too hard too. They're 40 miles north of Miami. Gun violence and gangs are a real problem in that city that they didn't gaf about until their white privileged ass saw a few of their classmates die that they never talked to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
I don't think those kids are the anti christ like some dipshit conservatives do, but I do believe they're soaking in this fame to a point where they can't believe they don't get into a school because they're not smart, but feel like they should because they're popular now.

Wacky, here's the link to the interview that I believe Laura Ingraham and others are talking about. David Hogg never suggests or says he believes he should get into a college because he's become a figure in the gun control debate. In fact, he says a lot of smart people who are working to bring positive change to the world get rejected. It seems like you're choosing to believe the narrative Laura Ingraham and other are painting because you don't like the kid.

https://www.tmz.com/2018/03/27/parkland-leader-david-hogg-rejected-colleges-emma-gonzalez/?adid=hero3
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 01:50:23 PM
Ppl dying sucks man. Guns suck too, but I still don't believe these kids really gaf about the matter. I get the criticism, but I also think they're getting crap on too hard too. They're 40 miles north of Miami. Gun violence and gangs are a real problem in that city that they didn't gaf about until their white privileged ass saw a few of their classmates die that they never talked to.

People react differently when it becomes personal. It shouldn't be that surprising.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
Right or wrong, they're recent reflection on the matter shouldn't be a deciding point on what we do with gun control. A constant problem that's been discussed since our founding fathers found this country. I'm not saying they should shut the eff up, I just know what an attention whore I was at 18 and I don't feel like they're totally genuine at this point. For the record, I hate guns, hunting, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 02:07:20 PM
Right or wrong, they're recent reflection on the matter shouldn't be a deciding point on what we do with gun control.

Hundreds of thousands of other people marched with them last weekend. A lot of reports suggest a majority of Americans are in favor of stricter gun laws.

I'm not saying they should shut the eff up, I just know what an attention whore I was at 18 and I don't feel like they're totally genuine at this point. For the record, I hate guns, hunting, etc.

They didn't seek the media attention. The media went to them. It's irresponsible to blame these students for networks asking them questions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on March 31, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
What would make them more genuine in your eyes Wacky?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 31, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
I think even these kids are surprised about how upset/enrages they are making a segment.  No reason to go away when you are making people lose their minds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 02:30:02 PM
IDK, TBT. I'm probably being too critical.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on March 31, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Ppl dying sucks man. Guns suck too, but I still don't believe these kids really gaf about the matter. I get the criticism, but I also think they're getting crap on too hard too. They're 40 miles north of Miami. Gun violence and gangs are a real problem in that city that they didn't gaf about until their white privileged ass saw a few of their classmates die that they never talked to.

omg dude
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
Yeah, man. Different opinion on the matter. Weird.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 31, 2018, 03:11:24 PM
Right or wrong, they're recent reflection on the matter shouldn't be a deciding point on what we do with gun control. A constant problem that's been discussed since our founding fathers found this country. I'm not saying they should shut the eff up, I just know what an attention whore I was at 18 and I don't feel like they're totally genuine at this point. For the record, I hate guns, hunting, etc.

i believe you're thinking of the finding fathers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 03:16:12 PM
That's what you took out of that? My constant theme of murdering the English language? I thought I had some sound stuff in there other than the right words.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 31, 2018, 03:19:40 PM
i'm not particularly interested in the topic of how genuine are the surviving parkland high school students in their gun control advocacy, wackycat.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 31, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
The rage over laura ingram is equally lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 31, 2018, 08:52:00 PM
The rage over laura ingram is equally lol

How?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 31, 2018, 09:14:29 PM
I just don't think whining non-stop about her losing her sponsors will help.  Stop all the whining/crying, she will be fine
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 31, 2018, 09:26:04 PM
Her job is literally to say dumb partisan crap on tv and these advertisers knew that when they bought time on her show. Pretty cowardly to disassociate now
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 31, 2018, 09:33:31 PM
Her job is literally to say dumb partisan crap on tv and these advertisers knew that when they bought time on her show. Pretty cowardly to disassociate now

free mkt
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 31, 2018, 09:39:42 PM
I was unaware of her pre-Lebron.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2018, 01:52:48 PM
I was unaware of her until this 17 year old kid kicked her ass


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2018, 05:01:50 PM
I was unaware of her until this 17 year old kid kicked her ass


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Lebron whipped her ass almost as hard but she didn't whine so much about it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 01, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
Laura Ingram  :curse:

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 02, 2018, 08:33:37 AM
as crazy as it sounds, it's almost like there are repercussions for your actions. as an adult, you'd hope the Ingraham person would've learned that by now, but I guess it's never too late.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 02, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
as crazy as it sounds, it's almost like there are repercussions for your actions. as an adult, you'd hope the Ingraham person would've learned that by now, but I guess it's never too late.

To be fair, that 17 year old made her super, SUPER mad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 02, 2018, 09:58:05 AM
Laura Ingram isn’t the threat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 02, 2018, 12:50:33 PM
How rough ridin' stupid are these people

http://www.kansas.com/latest-news/article207645274.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 02, 2018, 01:20:42 PM
teenagers  :curse: :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on April 03, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
https://twitter.com/passantino/status/981265006367981568
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on April 03, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
https://twitter.com/lavrusik/status/981259304408788993

https://twitter.com/lavrusik/status/981263546460774400

https://twitter.com/lavrusik/status/981269222541082625
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 03, 2018, 04:34:00 PM
Reports that the shooter is a woman.  Which seems different than usual.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 03, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Sounds terrifying.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on April 03, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/ff31bc9fcbc5ed593f20870750ba5685.jpg)
:sdeek:
Screen shot in case deleted.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on April 03, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/ff31bc9fcbc5ed593f20870750ba5685.jpg)
:sdeek:
Screen shot in case deleted.

Are you new to Jeselnik's brand of comedy?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
this has false flag written all over it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on April 03, 2018, 08:46:05 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/ff31bc9fcbc5ed593f20870750ba5685.jpg)
:sdeek:
Screen shot in case deleted.

Are you new to Jeselnik's brand of comedy?
No, are you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2018, 09:04:44 PM
I am


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on April 03, 2018, 10:01:09 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/ff31bc9fcbc5ed593f20870750ba5685.jpg)
:sdeek:
Screen shot in case deleted.

Are you new to Jeselnik's brand of comedy?
No, are you?

you just seemed surprised by his tweet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on April 03, 2018, 10:08:54 PM
A terrible and lazy joke reliant on shock value.  Yup, fits Jeselnik's MO.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 03, 2018, 10:35:21 PM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/981366955964760065?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2018, 07:25:42 AM
Cops warned prior . . . again.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on April 04, 2018, 08:55:44 AM
Cops warned prior . . . again.
What is the alternative? Thoughtcrime?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2018, 09:01:31 AM
Cops warned prior . . . again.

dax, what should the cops have done that they didn't do?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2018, 09:37:46 AM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/981366955964760065?s=21

The US
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
Cops warned prior . . . again.

Yep. See Minority Report starring Tom Cruise.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 04, 2018, 11:29:47 AM
i'm pretty happy that this one is a woman.  i hope she turns out to be a legit mass killer and not some personal grudge killer with poor aim, but either way, it's good to see the other side finally own one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 04, 2018, 11:44:27 AM
i guess she didn't actually kill anyone?  so she won't even show up on any sex-based lists of killers.  eff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2018, 01:07:36 PM
rough ridin' women shooters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 04, 2018, 01:17:14 PM
This woman's life would have been spared if she had a better grasp of what the First Amendment actually does :sad:

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on April 04, 2018, 02:05:31 PM
This woman's life would have been spared if she had a better grasp of what the First Amendment actually does :sad:

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She couldn't Farsi the problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 04, 2018, 02:08:52 PM
I guess Iran right into that one :facepalm:

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2018, 04:08:20 PM
This woman's life would have been spared if she had a better grasp of what the First Amendment actually does :sad:

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She couldn't Farsi the problem.

She must have felt like jihad to do it. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on April 04, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
Not Baha'i my account.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 04, 2018, 06:25:51 PM
Buncha Sheikhspeares ITT.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mhkpasa on April 04, 2018, 07:43:10 PM
Cut the shiite out
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 04, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
This is starting to sound like a Burkan record...

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on April 05, 2018, 08:23:35 AM
hehe
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 06, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
Looks like the MSD students took my advice about the tampons.
https://twitter.com/cameron_kasky/status/981136553899626496
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 11, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
I, for one, blame tf out of the shooters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 12, 2018, 10:57:46 AM
http://theweek.com/speedreads/766892/marjory-stoneman-douglas-teacher-leaves-loaded-gun-public-bathroom-drunk-homeless-man-fires
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2018, 11:09:18 AM
http://theweek.com/speedreads/766892/marjory-stoneman-douglas-teacher-leaves-loaded-gun-public-bathroom-drunk-homeless-man-fires


that has to be a joke
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on April 12, 2018, 11:33:22 AM
http://theweek.com/speedreads/766892/marjory-stoneman-douglas-teacher-leaves-loaded-gun-public-bathroom-drunk-homeless-man-fires


that has to be a joke

I thought it was until I clicked through to the Miami Herald story.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2018, 04:42:34 PM
 :lol: incredible
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 17, 2018, 11:45:27 AM
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/986071700822511616
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The Big Train on April 20, 2018, 11:54:18 AM
Those students better stay in their lane and not voice any opinions IMO.

https://twitter.com/alexallorenzo/status/987318615266484224
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 20, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
If I had to live in Ocala, I'd probably want to be shot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2018, 05:56:15 PM
shall not be infringed

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/status/988134552295047170?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: puniraptor on April 22, 2018, 08:15:59 PM
since guns don't kill people, why even bother mentioning who seized or gave back whatever gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on April 23, 2018, 08:04:23 AM
shall not be infringed

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/status/988134552295047170?s=21


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If accurate, the father needs to be arrested and charged with murder as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2018, 08:17:37 AM
Holding people accountable for the guns they own just isn't something we believe in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 23, 2018, 09:02:59 AM
need to harden waffle houses
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 23, 2018, 10:37:59 AM
this wouldn't have happened if the hostess making minimum wage and guy making scrambled eggs on the griddle for two dollars more were both strapped.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 23, 2018, 05:34:01 PM
Weird, another shooter with Fed Law Enforcement engagement recently.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on April 23, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
Weird, another shooter with Fed Law Enforcement engagement recently.

The weirdest thing from the Trump presidency might be his followers loving to attack law enforcement.  I'm guessing it's from all that FBI bashing he does?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 23, 2018, 06:47:21 PM
Weird, another shooter with Fed Law Enforcement engagement recently.

The weirdest thing from the Trump presidency might be his followers loving to attack law enforcement.  I'm guessing it's from all that FBI bashing he does?

Micah Xavier was a big MAGA guy.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 05, 2018, 07:36:51 AM
haha

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/992564679510773761
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 05, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
going to be some long lines there now
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 05, 2018, 09:23:54 AM
the NRA rough ridin' hates reasonable and effective gun regulations for sure
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 05, 2018, 09:27:59 AM
the NRA rough ridin' hates reasonable and effective gun regulations for sure

#standandfight
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 05, 2018, 01:31:11 PM
Gun grabbing liberals smdh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 05, 2018, 02:00:18 PM
The NRA  :curse:

#libtard
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 05, 2018, 02:36:34 PM
 Ellen’s extorting dead people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 07, 2018, 02:43:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/993539716145434629
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 07, 2018, 03:07:20 PM
Isn't he a felon? Can he even legally own a gun?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 07, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
http://www.joemygod.com/2018/05/07/convicted-felon-oliver-north-named-nra-president/

Quote
Four years after his sentencing, North’s convictions were vacated upon appeal on a technicality about his having been granted immunity for portions of his testimony.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 07, 2018, 07:38:58 PM
I will miss Wayne
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 07, 2018, 07:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/993310912151867392?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 07, 2018, 08:29:27 PM
Would be pretty neat if Trump said something nice about him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 07, 2018, 08:55:45 PM
I will miss Wayne

He's not going anywhere, current prez is some no name. Wayne is ceo/evp
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 12, 2018, 10:14:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/994766610023043072

Ollie North comes out throwing haymakers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 13, 2018, 05:24:28 PM
Did anyone post about the Australia mass shooting?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on May 16, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-officer-confronts-armed-man-illinois-high-school-142703469--abc-news-topstories.html

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2018, 02:41:13 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-officer-confronts-armed-man-illinois-high-school-142703469--abc-news-topstories.html


Just quoting it before facebook and yahoo are forced to take the story down.  :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 16, 2018, 03:00:42 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-officer-confronts-armed-man-illinois-high-school-142703469--abc-news-topstories.html


Just quoting it before facebook and yahoo are forced to take the story down.  :D

You should share it on FB too.  Obama would just hate that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2018, 03:04:10 PM
 :lol: Relax, I was JK.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 16, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-officer-confronts-armed-man-illinois-high-school-142703469--abc-news-topstories.html


Just quoting it before facebook and yahoo are forced to take the story down.  :D


https://twitter.com/hashtaggriswold/status/996795083935703040?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2018, 03:31:20 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2018, 09:28:16 AM
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/local/watch-live-multiple-students-killed-in-shooting-at-santa-fe-hs-federal-official-says/285-553331098
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 18, 2018, 09:42:15 AM
Thoughts and prayers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 18, 2018, 09:43:42 AM
"This is Trump's America"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 18, 2018, 10:40:28 AM
god dammit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 18, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
https://twitter.com/scottmcgrew/status/997484633695469570?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on May 18, 2018, 10:51:57 AM
Fire up the blame the police wagon.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 18, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
NRA's slogan might as well be "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun's bullets are good kids going to school"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 18, 2018, 11:17:41 AM
Sadly, I'm surprised it's not worse at this time of the year.  Maybe it's time to consider eliminating brick and mortar schools.
JFC

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
Bricks and mortar don't kill people...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 18, 2018, 11:28:54 AM
Time to institute the Australian Model.   

What kind of works (they still have gun violence and murders by people using guns) in a sparsely populated country of 24 million people HAS to work in a more densely populated country of 324 million people, right? 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 18, 2018, 11:34:39 AM
horrible
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
last few weeks of school should be celebrating a year of hard work and making new friends with summer coming. 

not me me praying my kids make it to the last day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 18, 2018, 11:37:59 AM
Sadly, I'm surprised it's not worse at this time of the year.  Maybe it's time to consider eliminating brick and mortar schools.
JFC

Anything to keep your guns.


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eff off


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 18, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
Time to institute the Australian Model.   

What kind of works (they still have gun violence and murders by people using guns) in a sparsely populated country of 24 million people HAS to work in a more densely populated country of 324 million people, right? 



Step 1: wait for 300 million people to get shot dead
Step 2: institute australia model
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
https://twitter.com/tminsberg/status/997511328561582081
Title: Increased school shootings theory thread
Post by: gatoveintisiete on May 18, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Incidents went on the upswing in 2005 after being steady, then spiked upward in 2011-2012.  What is your hypothesis as to what might have caused the wild increase.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2018, 12:02:09 PM
here's a huge piece of human garbage

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/997495814229512192
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2018, 12:06:22 PM
Bricks and mortar don't kill people...
Bricks and mortar are inanimate objects; just like guns.

Yet you think eliminating brick and mortar schools is a solution
Title: Re: Increased school shootings theory thread
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 18, 2018, 12:07:41 PM
Incidents went on the upswing in 2005 after being steady, then spiked upward in 2011-2012.  What is your hypothesis as to what might have caused the wild increase.
I think shitty ppl shouldn't be allowed to reproduce hot garbage kids that they're not going to take care of and mentor.
Title: Re: Increased school shootings theory thread
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 18, 2018, 12:16:25 PM
Incidents went on the upswing in 2005 after being steady, then spiked upward in 2011-2012.  What is your hypothesis as to what might have caused the wild increase.
I think shitty ppl shouldn't be allowed to reproduce hot garbage kids that they're not going to take care of and mentor.

You are in favor of abortion then?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 18, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
Sadly, I'm surprised it's not worse at this time of the year.  Maybe it's time to consider eliminating brick and mortar schools.
JFC

Anything to keep your guns.


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agreed x 1000
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2018, 12:18:00 PM
So why are we waiting on metal detectors at every school again?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 18, 2018, 12:21:49 PM
last few weeks of school should be celebrating a year of hard work and making new friends with summer coming. 

not me me praying my kids make it to the last day.

Seriously, start home school'n.  You can come with plenty of ways to make sure they don't end up socially awkward despite that.

Junior pak'rs club, where all gE children meet up someplace safe routinely to accomplish the social aspect of school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 18, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
Time to institute the Australian Model.   

What kind of works (they still have gun violence and murders by people using guns) in a sparsely populated country of 24 million people HAS to work in a more densely populated country of 324 million people, right?

https://twitter.com/BrettLoGiurato/status/997527169604702208
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on May 18, 2018, 12:39:15 PM
I'm not sure about this lib gun control, but don't we have the same situation as Australia as far as kids are concerned.  IT's just as illegal in this Country as Australia for kids under 18 to have guns.  Also, nuts are allowed to have guns either.  Why do you think that the NRA doesn't allow guns at their meetings. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on May 18, 2018, 12:44:09 PM
Home schooling is exactly what we need to fix the isolation kids are experiencing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2018, 01:22:43 PM
last few weeks of school should be celebrating a year of hard work and making new friends with summer coming. 

not me me praying my kids make it to the last day.

Seriously, start home school'n.  You can come with plenty of ways to make sure they don't end up socially awkward despite that.

Junior pak'rs club, where all gE children meet up someplace safe routinely to accomplish the social aspect of school?

yeah, my wife is not a teacher.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 18, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
Home schooling is exactly what we need to fix the isolation kids are experiencing.

It's a garbage solution but at this rate, when will it officially be negligent for a parent to put their kid in school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 18, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
last few weeks of school should be celebrating a year of hard work and making new friends with summer coming. 

not me me praying my kids make it to the last day.

Seriously, start home school'n.  You can come with plenty of ways to make sure they don't end up socially awkward despite that.

Junior pak'rs club, where all gE children meet up someplace safe routinely to accomplish the social aspect of school?

yeah, my wife is not a teacher.

Make the junior pak'rs club an extremely exclusive private school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
last few weeks of school should be celebrating a year of hard work and making new friends with summer coming. 

not me me praying my kids make it to the last day.

Seriously, start home school'n.  You can come with plenty of ways to make sure they don't end up socially awkward despite that.

Junior pak'rs club, where all gE children meet up someplace safe routinely to accomplish the social aspect of school?

yeah, my wife is not a teacher.

Make the junior pak'rs club an extremely exclusive private school?

they already go to one of those...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 18, 2018, 01:30:02 PM
last few weeks of school should be celebrating a year of hard work and making new friends with summer coming. 

not me me praying my kids make it to the last day.

Seriously, start home school'n.  You can come with plenty of ways to make sure they don't end up socially awkward despite that.

Junior pak'rs club, where all gE children meet up someplace safe routinely to accomplish the social aspect of school?

yeah, my wife is not a teacher.

Make the junior pak'rs club an extremely exclusive private school?

they already go to one of those...

Get yourself appointed to the admissions and security committees. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2018, 01:34:47 PM
I do need to keep the downgrades out
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 18, 2018, 01:46:32 PM
Quote
Here is what we know about Pagourtzis:

He was wearing “trenchcoat and big boots,” according to a student who said he saw the shooter. Police have not confirmed what he was wearing.
He is 17 years old.
He is in the 11th grade at Santa Fe High School.
He threw pipe bombs into some classrooms, witnesses say. Devices were found in and around the school, officials said.
The weapon Pagourtzis used was described as a shotgun by witnesses, but police have not confirmed that.
Law enforcement says a pressure cooker with an explosive device was found at the scene.
A Facebook page under the same name as Pagourtzis, has been taken down.
A witness said students and coaches at the school would bully Pagourtzis and “call him names.”
This story will be updated as more
SHOCKING!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 18, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/uTw5zIOnlvQUthWadlRMNzASPUs=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/W6QXHWGOLI4NDDKLIJSJ7Y3ISM.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 18, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/18/santa-fe-shooting-suspect-student-dimitrios-pagourtzis-wore-born-kill-t-shirt-7558129/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2018, 08:48:12 PM
https://twitter.com/ajc/status/997652199802056704
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 18, 2018, 08:58:33 PM
God damnit


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 18, 2018, 08:58:54 PM
I think a lot of people are praying to the wrong god


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 19, 2018, 09:51:33 AM
KCMO did this two days ago. Gang violence doesn't belong in this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 19, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Lol at thinking it was necessary to pin this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 19, 2018, 01:26:04 PM
KCMO did this two days ago. Gang violence doesn't belong in this thread.

Did what
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 19, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
good job pinning this thread, mods.  their blood will be on your hands.


https://twitter.com/passantino/status/997510613206089728
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 19, 2018, 11:42:35 PM
puni's got this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 20, 2018, 08:18:08 AM
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 20, 2018, 10:07:17 AM
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Investing guns with this kind of moral and emotional meaning has many consequences, the researchers say. “Put simply, owners who are more attached to their guns are most likely to believe that guns are a solution to our social ills,” says Froese. “For them, more ‘good’ people with guns would drastically reduce violence and increase civility. Again, it reflects a hero narrative, which many white man long to feel a part of.”

Yup
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2018, 10:12:22 AM
Makes sense
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 20, 2018, 10:27:58 AM
KCMO did this two days ago. Gang violence doesn't belong in this thread.

Did what
shot at a graduation party
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 21, 2018, 09:56:15 PM
https://twitter.com/selectedwisdom/status/998708288253546496


i've pretty consistently expressed the view that having guns seem to make a lot of americans happy and that that happiness is probably more valuable than the lives of a few innocents.

but if you gun idiots are going to go around banning clothes, doors and god knows what else instead of making a principled argument about the overvaluing of human life, then eff all y'all.  just ban the rough ridin' guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 21, 2018, 10:54:33 PM
You’ll have to pry them from my cold dead fingers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 22, 2018, 04:18:23 AM
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2018, 07:43:45 AM
That's called "economic anxiety" now
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2018, 12:52:00 PM
Good points jag
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 22, 2018, 01:19:34 PM
Quote
Here is what we know about Pagourtzis:

He was wearing “trenchcoat and big boots,” according to a student who said he saw the shooter. Police have not confirmed what he was wearing.
He is 17 years old.
He is in the 11th grade at Santa Fe High School.
He threw pipe bombs into some classrooms, witnesses say. Devices were found in and around the school, officials said.
The weapon Pagourtzis used was described as a shotgun by witnesses, but police have not confirmed that.
Law enforcement says a pressure cooker with an explosive device was found at the scene.
A Facebook page under the same name as Pagourtzis, has been taken down.
A witness said students and coaches at the school would bully Pagourtzis and “call him names.”
This story will be updated as more
SHOCKING!

Agree safe spaces are desperately needed Wacks. Like I’ve always said, it’s the kids’ fault that they’re not making sure every other student is well adjusted. They need to step up and take some responsibility.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 22, 2018, 01:21:00 PM
I don't think safe spaces are needed or even helpful.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 01:21:32 PM
Yeah, what?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 22, 2018, 02:17:48 PM
Sorry I took your comment to mean that the best way to prevent school shootings is to stop kids from being mean.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
Sorry I took your comment to mean that the best way to prevent school shootings is to stop kids from being mean.
I'm making fun of the shooter for being a lil bitch and turning to violence because today's kids don't know how to handle bullying and getting shot down by a girl. I believe it used to be way worse in High Schools before Columbine and I have no idea why these little snowflakes are turning to gun violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 22, 2018, 02:33:18 PM
Sorry I took your comment to mean that the best way to prevent school shootings is to stop kids from being mean.
I'm making fun of the shooter for being a lil bitch and turning to violence because today's kids don't know how to handle bullying and getting shot down by a girl. I believe it used to be way worse in High Schools before Columbine and I have no idea why these little snowflakes are turning to gun violence.

I don't think kids thought of gun violence as a potential solution before Columbine presented itself as one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 02:43:49 PM
I remember running around Eudora my Freshman year hiding from Seniors so I wouldn't get choked out as one of their hazing rituals. I was also a tubby little crap that girls weren't interested in until my Junior year. I know mental health plays a large part into this, guns, etc. I just can't believe this is everyone's go to now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
being turned down by a girl sounds crappy.  There but for the grace of god...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Woogy on May 22, 2018, 04:28:07 PM

I don't think kids thought of gun violence as a potential solution before Columbine presented itself as one.

Interesting stuff here:

The Best Explanation for Our Spate of Mass Shootings Is the Least Comforting  (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-happen-best-explanation/)

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At the risk of oversimplifying a complex argument, essentially he argues that each mass shooting lowers the threshold for the next. He argues, we are in the midst of a slow-motion “riot” of mass shootings, with the Columbine shooting in many ways the key triggering event. 


Quote
Here’s the most ominous part of the Gladwell thesis. The “low threshold” shooters are motivated by “powerful grievances,” but as the riot spreads, the justifications are often manufactured, and the shooters more and more “normal."   



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In the day of Eric Harris, we could try to console ourselves with the thought that there was nothing we could do, that no law or intervention or restrictions on guns could make a difference in the face of someone so evil. But the riot has now engulfed the boys who were once content to play with chemistry sets in the basement. The problem is not that there is an endless supply of deeply disturbed young men who are willing to contemplate horrific acts. It’s worse. It’s that young men no longer need to be deeply disturbed to contemplate horrific acts.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
https://twitter.com/nratv/status/999714805333147650?s=21

That’s not The Onion btw


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 24, 2018, 02:23:34 PM
The solution is to stop letting everyone know how many kids are being killed by guns.

Makes sense to me. I’m sure the NRA thought of all the possible ways of reducing the glorification of guns before arriving at this solution.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 24, 2018, 02:32:56 PM
his impulse is correct, but it shouldn't be legislated.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 24, 2018, 04:01:26 PM
his impulse is correct, but it shouldn't be legislated.

which hayes face is that tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 24, 2018, 04:02:01 PM
I’m sure the NRA thought of all the possible ways of reducing the glorification of guns before arriving at this solution.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/949127821300920320/sO1ew9ne_400x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 24, 2018, 04:35:02 PM
his impulse is correct, but it shouldn't be legislated.

which hayes face is that tho

his hayes face looks to be the exact right hayes face.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on May 24, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
It's not the media's fault really though.....it's these parents....and their incessant wailing over their kids being shot and killed....that is where we need some sensible regulations.  No loitering signs in front of the schools after these events?  Stiff upper lip mindset, where the sorrow is limited to their homes?  Something!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
his impulse is correct, but it shouldn't be legislated.

Agreed. But it won't happen, because we have voracious appetites.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 24, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
I’m sure the NRA thought of all the possible ways of reducing the glorification of guns before arriving at this solution.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/949127821300920320/sO1ew9ne_400x400.jpg)

Cool NRA black guy will make guns boring again.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2018, 08:14:15 AM
It's not the media's fault really though.....it's these parents....and their incessant wailing over their kids being shot and killed....that is where we need some sensible regulations.  No loitering signs in front of the schools after these events?  Stiff upper lip mindset, where the sorrow is limited to their homes?  Something!

Hogg enrages
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 25, 2018, 08:28:59 AM
It's not the media's fault really though.....it's these parents....and their incessant wailing over their kids being shot and killed....that is where we need some sensible regulations.  No loitering signs in front of the schools after these events?  Stiff upper lip mindset, where the sorrow is limited to their homes?  Something!

Hogg enrages

Boss Hogg.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on May 25, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
i mean, you can't not feed the outrage machine, can you?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2018, 10:41:26 AM
Indiana
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2018, 10:57:10 AM
How long until we have two school shootings in the same day?  Probably 2018 yet, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2018, 11:59:09 AM
It's not the media's fault really though.....it's these parents....and their incessant wailing over their kids being shot and killed....that is where we need some sensible regulations.  No loitering signs in front of the schools after these events?  Stiff upper lip mindset, where the sorrow is limited to their homes?  Something!

Hogg enrages

Boss Hogg.

Most appropriate nickname ever
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 26, 2018, 08:45:40 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1000387893427351553

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1000388598452146177

Wonder why?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 26, 2018, 11:09:36 PM
It must be exhausting being cynical 24/7
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 27, 2018, 07:51:21 AM
The waffle house guy was at a waffle house, right? They aren't calling him that for some other reason?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 29, 2018, 11:45:56 AM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1001504464925265920
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
Where is that lady buying her groceries?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2018, 01:15:33 PM
Where is that lady buying her groceries?

Publix?  Piggly Wiggly?  some place mad trashy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 29, 2018, 01:53:17 PM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1001504464925265920

so many questions
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 29, 2018, 04:45:18 PM
Where is that lady buying her groceries?

Publix?  Piggly Wiggly?  some place mad trashy

Winn Dixie
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 29, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1001504464925265920

this is my rifle this is my gun, this is for fighting this is for fun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 29, 2018, 07:21:39 PM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1001504464925265920

this is my rifle this is my gun, this is for fighting this is for fun

normally i would fist pump my ass off for a full metal jacket quote but these days im just sad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 01:59:06 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1004001334125891584
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 05, 2018, 02:37:16 PM
Let’s see, which side in this debate is worse? Hmmmmm.....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
That's what you get when you whine about not getting into college because you have bad grades
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 03:20:31 PM
https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1004082622090432514
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2018, 03:25:56 PM
Only guns can cause school violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2018, 03:27:52 PM
This looks like a promising use of taxpayer dollars.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2018, 03:29:23 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1004001334125891584

No one is condemning an attack on BH?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on June 05, 2018, 03:37:04 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1004001334125891584

No one is condemning an attack on BH?

This would've been a way for us to learn his address so we could send him a big BOSS chain, but I can't find a non-fake/parody one online to buy.  We're gonna have to get something commissioned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
all the snowflakes went bonkers when that lady got some water thrown on her...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 03:40:14 PM
Only guns can cause school violence.

Well, looking at what was the catalyst of this commission being formed you'd think it would at least be a part of the conversation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 05, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1004001334125891584

No one is condemning an attack on BH?

Butt hole?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2018, 03:41:26 PM
all the snowflakes went bonkers when that lady got some water thrown on her...

No one is going bonkers now?  So, do they know who did it?

Try to answer with clarity for a change, dug.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 05, 2018, 03:42:02 PM
Only guns can cause school violence.

Well, looking at what was the catalyst of this commission being formed you'd think it would at least be a part of the conversation.

I'd say the anti-bullying campaign isn't doing very well
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 03:42:36 PM
all the snowflakes went bonkers when that lady got some water thrown on her...

No one is going bonkers now?  So, do they know who did it?

Try to answer with clarity for a change, dug.

False flag operation!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
all the snowflakes went bonkers when that lady got some water thrown on her...

No one is going bonkers now?  So, do they know who did it?

Try to answer with clarity for a change, dug.

False flag operation!

Save it for your InfoWars group chat with Lib, Bucket.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2018, 03:53:07 PM
Guy goes on a man hunt at a Trump facility to gun him down, *crickets* by the dems.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
Guy goes on a man hunt at a Trump facility to gun him down, *crickets* by the dems.

Wacky, please use critical thinking and then tell us why that event may not have been posted in this thread.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2018, 04:31:22 PM
Guy goes on a man hunt at a Trump facility to gun him down, *crickets* by the dems.

Wacky, please use critical thinking and then tell us why that event may not have been posted in this thread.

So this entire thread as stuck completely too school shootings?

Fantastic if true.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
Guy goes on a man hunt at a Trump facility to gun him down, *crickets* by the dems.

Wacky, please use critical thinking and then tell us why that event may not have been posted in this thread.

So this entire thread as stuck completely too school shootings?

Fantastic if true.

No  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2018, 04:53:18 PM
Guy goes on a man hunt at a Trump facility to gun him down, *crickets* by the dems.

Wacky, please use critical thinking and then tell us why that event may not have been posted in this thread.

So this entire thread as stuck completely too school shootings?

Fantastic if true.

No  :facepalm:

Well you got me Captain Cryptic
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
Guy goes on a man hunt at a Trump facility to gun him down, *crickets* by the dems.

Wacky, please use critical thinking and then tell us why that event may not have been posted in this thread.

So this entire thread as stuck completely too school shootings?

Fantastic if true.

No  :facepalm:

Well you got me Captain Cryptic

No fatalities  :dunno:

Barely a blip on the radar these days.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2018, 05:53:19 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 05:59:44 PM
:facepalm:

Strong argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2018, 06:31:22 PM
I’m not going to argue with your dumbass. Every anti gun event goes in this thread, unless it’s a man trying to hunt down Trump, then it’s nothing to see here. Such a joke.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 06:42:27 PM
I’m not going to argue with your dumbass. Every anti gun event goes in this thread, unless it’s a man trying to hunt down Trump, then it’s nothing to see here. Such a joke.

You're right, the example you provided is the clearest reason as to why the president and other elected officials should advocate for more sensible gun laws. It also proves that people on both side of the aisle are equally concerned about gun violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2018, 06:45:51 PM
You’re clearly missing the point, but I’m not surprised. No one on the left got out raged when a another psycho leftist tried to shoot up some Republican officials softball game either.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
You’re clearly missing the point, but I’m not surprised. No one on the left got out raged when a another psycho leftist tried to shoot up some Republican officials softball game either.

What would be the appropriate amount of outrage?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2018, 06:53:01 PM
To stop ala carting the outrage over guns. You clearly dgaf if a crime is aimed towards a conservative.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2018, 06:57:40 PM
To stop ala carting the outrage over guns. You clearly dgaf if a crime is aimed towards a conservative.

You're right. Liberals love Jason Aldean.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2018, 07:18:00 PM
It’s less troubling to me when the target of a shooter is an elected official. We’ve had political assassinations for as long as we’ve had governments. The psychos with no motive are scarier.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 05, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
I’m guilty of being more outraged by 17 people being shot at a school or 58 people killed at a concert then I am over 0 people being killed at a softball game. But I am against all shootings that are not self defense.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 10, 2018, 08:29:59 PM
https://twitter.com/realtombloke/status/1005508085522321408?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 10, 2018, 08:36:22 PM
millie does seem to be exercising her rights, it's poor kaitlin who is suffering under the harsh yoke of oppression (patriarchy?).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 03:25:07 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1012426279902220288
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
5 dead so far. Shotgun? Definitely a backwoods crazy Trumper.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 28, 2018, 03:57:47 PM
5 dead so far. Shotgun? Definitely a backwoods crazy Trumper.
What the eff is wrong with you?
Edit: Nevermind, I jumped to conclusions and thought Wacky was being sarcastic rather than jumping to conclusions... sorry wacks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Nothing. I'm legit saying this is probably a rough ridin' lunatic Trump supporter. How tf is that even controversial? Newspaper place near DC- Check. White man in his 20's- Check. Media outrage these days- Check.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 28, 2018, 04:13:28 PM
Nothing. I'm legit saying this is probably a rough ridin' lunatic Trump supporter. How tf is that even controversial? Newspaper place near DC- Check. White man in his 20's- Check. Media outrage these days- Check.  :dunno:

Oh.  Edited my post :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
No worries. I do come off that way a lot, so I get it. Police were able to respond in 60 seconds.  :thumbs:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 28, 2018, 04:34:14 PM
I am legit terrified that it is going to be a Trump person going after “Fake News” just for the prospect of retaliation and copycats.  That blood would be on the hands of Trump and his propaganda wing.

Really hoping for disgruntled employee or ex-employee, but I think we’d know that by now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
Yeah, what's weird is it's a smallish town paper.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 04:46:20 PM
No ID on him. Not cooperating with law enforcement. I'm sure it's illegal, but take a pic of this POS and blast it on Social Media to get his information, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 28, 2018, 04:47:07 PM
Damaged his finger tips so law enforcement couldn't identify him. What a psycho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
(https://aworldoffilm.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/seven-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on June 28, 2018, 10:27:10 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/832708293516632065
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 29, 2018, 06:56:42 AM
LOL THREAD

https://twitter.com/johniadarola/status/1012567071098527744?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 08:21:32 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/832708293516632065
Yeah, crazy thing about this attack, it had nothing to do with all of the media outrage. It was a guy who was pissed off at the newspaper for reporting some of the crap he had done. Good stuff, Phil.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 08:32:10 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/832708293516632065
Yeah, crazy thing about this attack, it had nothing to do with all of the media outrage. It was a guy who was pissed off at the newspaper for reporting some of the crap he had done. Good stuff, Phil.

exact same reason trump hates the media.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 08:34:20 AM
This guy had been feuding with them since 2010 (locally). This has nothing to do with Trump, as much as everyone wants it to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 29, 2018, 08:39:06 AM
This guy had been feuding with them since 2010 (locally). This has nothing to do with Trump, as much as everyone wants it to.

look at this guy deciding what has to do with trump and what doesn't
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 08:43:37 AM
I mean, I agree that libs are super upset with this guys motives not being attached to some radical movement. Everyone was blaming Trump yesterday, including myself, before the details actually came out and now everyone is silent and pissed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 08:53:49 AM
It's not even trending anymore. Sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 29, 2018, 08:54:55 AM
So absolutely desperate to put this on Trump.

SMDH
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
Just goes to show that libs only want to raise hell over a tragedy if it benefits their agenda. They've already moved on from this one.  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 29, 2018, 09:08:00 AM
Just goes to show that libs only want to raise hell over a tragedy if it benefits their agenda. They've already moved on from this one.  :frown:

LibBots are ghouls Wacky.

It’s . . . Sad

Never let a crisis . . . And if there’s no crisis: Make one up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 29, 2018, 09:19:12 AM
Wacky was the first person to jump to a "Trumper" conclusion  :Rusty:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 09:33:41 AM
Did you follow twitter at all yesterday, 8man? Holy cesspool!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 09:34:20 AM
Also, lol at the early reports of him being in his mid 20's and "white".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 29, 2018, 09:47:35 AM
Wacky was the first person to jump to a "Trumper" conclusion  :Rusty:

And weren't you the one who was TERRIFIED that it was a Trump supporter mad at fake news?  Wacky called this from the get go. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2018, 09:51:49 AM
You aren't very good at reading
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on June 29, 2018, 09:53:35 AM
Wacky was the first person to jump to a "Trumper" conclusion  :Rusty:

And weren't you the one who was TERRIFIED that it was a Trump supporter mad at fake news?  Wacky called this from the get go.
Yeah, and I'm glad it wasn't. I laid that out as the worst possible scenario and still feel that way, not sure what your point is.  Wacky didn't call anything correctly from the get go, he jumped to the wrong conclusion, apparently based on Twitter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on June 29, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
When the chief executive calls the press your enemy and people have a beef with the press, you don't think that empowers people to normalize their extreme desires/behaviors? Okay.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
lol. Keep shooting, phil.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on June 29, 2018, 10:06:24 AM
lol. Keep shooting, phil.
Words matter from our leaders. Whether this nutso liked or hated Trump doesn't matter.

Just like when you say there are good people on both sides when one side is white nationalists protesting with tiki torches....that empowers dickhead white nationalists....

You can find similar examples with Obama I'm sure....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2018, 10:08:54 AM
This guy has been stalking the newspaper since 2011 and tweeting at them with a burner account. He was a ticking time bomb. I think he gained the courage more with the rampant massive shootings we've had since columbine vs an old tweet from Trump. It sucks either way no matter how you spin it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Woogy on June 29, 2018, 10:11:51 AM
So Deplorable
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 29, 2018, 10:13:21 AM
When the chief executive calls the press your enemy and people have a beef with the press, you don't think that empowers people to normalize their extreme desires/behaviors? Okay.

I don't think it's right that he does that and I think it might empower an idiot to normalize an extreme desire but I also think the media does the same thing or makes it even worse.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on June 29, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
This guy has been stalking the newspaper since 2011 and tweeting at them with a burner account. He was a ticking time bomb. I think he gained the courage more with the rampant massive shootings we've had since columbine vs an old tweet from Trump. It sucks either way no matter how you spin it.
I would agree that would be a factor too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 29, 2018, 10:27:42 AM
If Maxine Waters somehow speaks for an entire party, Trump can too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 29, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
If Maxine Waters somehow speaks for an entire party, Trump can too.

Would seem hypocritical too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on June 30, 2018, 10:47:51 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/accused-annapolis-mass-shooter-left-trail-evidence-ties-alt-right/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2018, 11:28:09 PM
Mocat being so confident hilldog wouldn’t eff up this presidency is what I needed in life! She legit crap the bed in every move she’s made, but he also just learned what a carb was, so whatever I guess.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on July 02, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
Mocat being so confident hilldog wouldn’t eff up this presidency is what I needed in life! She legit crap the bed in every move she’s made, but he also just learned what a carb was, so whatever I guess.

i hope wacky made it through the night
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 02, 2018, 10:21:15 AM
Sometimes owning chodecat’s dome isn’t fun. He just makes it soooo easy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on July 02, 2018, 10:33:16 AM
i hope you get control of your life wacks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on July 02, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
i know you can get to a place where you get 7/7 pak'd on a sunday night and decide not to incoherently post about me in a pit thread out of nowhere. i know you can do it bud
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 02, 2018, 10:47:31 AM
Lol. I was at the lake, asshat. I’m not working today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on July 02, 2018, 11:01:42 AM
Lol. I was at the lake, asshat. I’m not working today.
Lake pak is a great pak. Sad it brings hate out
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 02, 2018, 11:02:34 AM
Lol. Hate?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 02, 2018, 11:05:05 AM
T's&p's at the melted penis  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on July 03, 2018, 10:04:33 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293 (http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2018, 10:13:32 AM
How are these D1 power 5 wrestlers incapable of defending themselves?  :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on July 03, 2018, 10:21:00 AM
Meant to post that in the Weinstein thread  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on July 03, 2018, 10:23:33 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293 (http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293)
looks like it was a dispute/shooting among contractors.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on July 03, 2018, 10:30:29 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293 (http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293)
looks like it was a dispute/shooting among contractors.

over a case of camo busch light
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 10:41:59 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293 (http://www.kmbc.com/article/overland-park-police-working-double-shooting-at-elementary-school/22035293)
looks like it was a dispute/shooting among contractors.

over a case of camo busch light

pack of Winstons
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on July 15, 2018, 11:24:09 AM
https://twitter.com/twpolk/status/1018372408074522624
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
This show is going to be great
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 15, 2018, 12:06:31 PM
I can’t wait


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2018, 12:17:04 PM
amaze
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on July 15, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
I may subscribe to Showtime just for this show.


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
“Un-corrupted by fake news or homosexuality.”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 08:14:11 PM
Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 08:31:57 PM
Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.

Documented cases of this happening?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 08:37:34 PM
Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.

Documented cases of this happening?
Every abortion that’s ever happened from the history of time?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 08:40:11 PM
Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.

Documented cases of this happening?
Every abortion that’s ever happened from the history of time?

So every abortion ever performed was because a lib smoked a joint and had unprotected sex? Seems like you have made yet another statement which you cannot back up with any kind of evidence. I would laugh but honestly I feel bad for you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 08:54:15 PM
I would laugh at another rube getting trolled before my eyes, but it legit isn’t even worth it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 08:56:05 PM
I would laugh at another rube getting trolled before my eyes, but it legit isn’t even worth it.

Yes, that’s exactly what just happened here. :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 08:57:45 PM
Yeah, man. Different opinion on the matter. Weird.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180716/da4c4d6d11a0309c15dddb3a94a72730.jpg)


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 09:00:26 PM
Yeah, man. Different opinion on the matter. Weird.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180716/da4c4d6d11a0309c15dddb3a94a72730.jpg)


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Oh, so this was an opinion now?

Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 09:01:35 PM
I will pray for you dc cat that moved to Manhattan and you will take it!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 09:02:10 PM
Baby killer!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 09:03:15 PM
Tap outs are getting more and more sad by the day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 09:12:09 PM
You’re telling me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 09:13:46 PM
Why are virgins so pro killing babies? :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 09:15:59 PM
When proclaiming fact less statements doesn’t work resort to 3rd grade name calling, I always say.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 09:22:48 PM
I always knew you were a virgin. :surprised:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2018, 09:34:25 PM
Dc cat that moved to mhk, no matter what makes you hard, just give it a shot. We’re all here for you.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 15, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
Wacky, bud, you're being kinda weird again. :frown: Just go take a break in the chill zone and hang in Wacky's World for a while! I will meet you there and we can talk about whatever!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 16, 2018, 08:24:30 AM
Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.

Documented cases of this happening?
Every abortion that’s ever happened from the history of time?

So every abortion ever performed was because a lib smoked a joint and had unprotected sex? Seems like you have made yet another statement which you cannot back up with any kind of evidence. I would laugh but honestly I feel bad for you.

There was the one exception where the finance chairman of the republican national committee paid a Playboy model to get an abortion. Everyone else has been a drugged up liberal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 16, 2018, 08:31:52 AM
 :lol: Missing the point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on July 16, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
Can’t be anymore harmful than giving a lib a joint and having unprotected sex. :dunno: Probably a higher rate of killing a human in those circumstances.

Documented cases of this happening?
Every abortion that’s ever happened from the history of time?

So every abortion ever performed was because a lib smoked a joint and had unprotected sex? Seems like you have made yet another statement which you cannot back up with any kind of evidence. I would laugh but honestly I feel bad for you.

There was the one exception where the finance chairman of the republican national committee paid a Playboy model to get an abortion. Everyone else has been a drugged up liberal.

And Tim Murphy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 16, 2018, 08:33:48 AM
Is the point that it is perfectly ok to actually kill a baby, but it's not ok to think that the people who killed the babies should be allowed to roam free?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 16, 2018, 08:39:09 AM
pothead libs love killing babies is the point. They vote for the two all the time. #Science
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 16, 2018, 09:31:30 AM
Man Wacky is really good at making his points clear. I can’t believe I didn’t get it the first time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 16, 2018, 09:36:19 AM
Not everyone is at smart us I am, DC. I totally get it. It's not your fault.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 16, 2018, 09:37:44 AM
Not everyone is at smart us I am, DC. I totally get it. It's not your fault.

Clearly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2018, 09:38:27 AM
DC cat fell for it  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 16, 2018, 09:39:17 AM
 :Keke:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 17, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
https://twitter.com/simonmaloy/status/1018952542829637634?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 08, 2018, 04:37:02 PM
Creepy crap

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1027304476347002880
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 08, 2018, 04:54:04 PM
This is a longer interview

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/08/burn-kill-destroy-parkland-school-shooter-video-released/939527002/?csp=chromepush
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 26, 2018, 01:39:39 PM
https://twitter.com/WJXTvic/status/1033782565453393925
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 05, 2018, 07:58:44 PM
https://twitter.com/mediaite/status/1048231125435408384?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2018, 07:54:56 PM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-kroger-gunman-uttered-whites-don-t-kill-whites-witness-n924641
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 26, 2018, 09:27:28 PM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-kroger-gunman-uttered-whites-don-t-kill-whites-witness-n924641

That's sad and not funny
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 27, 2018, 10:53:03 AM
8 dead in Pittsburgh synagogue

Spin up the t&ps....nothing else can be done
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2018, 10:56:06 AM
false flag
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 27, 2018, 10:58:21 AM
https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1056211447351595008
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
Good lord the Trumpers have lost their mind
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
I'm blaming the Trump administration's anti-Israel stance.




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 11:07:21 AM
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1056208150670397446?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 11:12:19 AM
Tough break, stone.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1056209742442287107?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on October 27, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
Good people on both sides
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 27, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
Good lord the Trumpers have lost their mind

Politicizing this before any facts are out.. interesting strategy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:21:03 AM
The culture of violence the left is breeding in this country is shocking.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:22:25 AM
(https://www.myajc.com/rf/image_medium/Pub/p9/MyAJC/2018/02/06/Images/newsEngin.21176103_DSCN0441obama-shopped-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 27, 2018, 11:29:26 AM
trump fans really taking a victory lap on this guy thinking trump is controlled by the jews
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 11:30:08 AM
Listen, stone blaming this on a Trumper when it wasn’t has to be super embarrassing, but the man deserves a chance to defend himself.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 27, 2018, 11:32:13 AM
And just like that, Wacks lands a stinging body blow!

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:34:25 AM
trump fans really taking a victory lap on this guy thinking trump is controlled by the jews

Probably felt emboldened by the rampant anti-Trump agenda of the American Left, where violence poses as art.

SMDH



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 27, 2018, 11:40:24 AM
(https://bobcat.grahamdigital.com/784281ac840cedc680d49571c7e121f0c16e368c/crop-640x360-000.jpg)

Our president is blaming the church for not having security
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:43:10 AM
(https://bobcat.grahamdigital.com/784281ac840cedc680d49571c7e121f0c16e368c/crop-640x360-000.jpg)

Our president is blaming the church for not having security

It's just a shame the Pres doesn't recognize the violence and radicalization of the American political left for what it is.

The American Political Left:  Where violence poses as art

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 27, 2018, 11:43:55 AM
trump fans really taking a victory lap on this guy thinking trump is controlled by the jews

People are dead, stop making this about politics to get a win. No one wins here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 27, 2018, 11:52:48 AM
trump fans really taking a victory lap on this guy thinking trump is controlled by the jews

People are dead, stop making this about politics to get a win. No one wins here.

i'm not the one taking a victory lap bud
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:53:28 AM
Antisemitism:  Validated

(https://i1.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/farrakhan-sharpton-jackson-clinton.jpg?resize=789%2C460&ssl=1)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 27, 2018, 11:57:41 AM
shooter, if you want politics, take a look at this piece of human garbage blaming the victims

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1056225296721027073
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 11:58:27 AM
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/rev-jesse-jackson-shakes-hands-with-nation-of-islam-leader-louis-as-picture-id52748425)

Antisemitism embraced by the American Political Left.

SMDH

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2018, 11:59:09 AM
Why is dax losing his crap rn?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 27, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Why is dax losing his crap rn?

politics
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 12:02:04 PM
Why is dax losing his crap rn?

Just tired of the violence that the American political left is breeding in our country.    This anti-Trumper today, the Feel the Berner gunman, the embracing of violence posing as art by the American political left, the validation of Antisemitism by the American political left, it just goes on and on . . .

Pretty sorry state of affairs, ChumBot, but you don't care.

Condemning this stuff after the fact doesn't change anything, it's the radicalized American Left breeding this culture of hate and violence.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2018, 12:02:21 PM
Oops
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 27, 2018, 12:05:36 PM
Imagine being radicalized in any instance except maybe at the end of a close relevant 'cats game.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 27, 2018, 12:07:35 PM
shooter, if you want politics, take a look at this piece of human garbage blaming the victims

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1056225296721027073

He's a bumbling idiot, everything will be about politics to his dumb ass, but he's also the president..... Saying he's just blaming the victims, though? I wouldn't totally take that leap.

It's sad, and the way people react and point fingers to everything is sad as well. Hate caused by hate will not get anyone anywhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 27, 2018, 12:11:45 PM
Hate got Trump elected. Results are results Shooter.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 27, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
anybody trying to blame trump or happy he was anti-trump needs to reset what the eff matters.

stone baited you all in kdub style by the looks of it....  :Take the Bait:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 12:13:20 PM
Not a Trumper :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
anybody trying to blame trump or happy he was anti-trump needs to reset what the eff matters.

stone baited you all in kdub style by the looks of it....  :Take the Bait:
:dubious:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 27, 2018, 12:15:02 PM
Hate got Trump elected. Results are results Shooter.


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Well, I don't think there is any actual evidence of that one way or the other, so I cannot argue it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 12:15:57 PM
anybody trying to blame trump or happy he was anti-trump needs to reset what the eff matters.

stone baited you all in kdub style by the looks of it....  :Take the Bait:

Who is happy?  No one. 






Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 27, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
shooter, if you want politics, take a look at this piece of human garbage blaming the victims

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1056225296721027073

He's a bumbling idiot, everything will be about politics to his dumb ass, but he's also the president..... Saying he's just blaming the victims, though? I wouldn't totally take that leap.

It's sad, and the way people react and point fingers to everything is sad as well. Hate caused by hate will not get anyone anywhere.

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1056223740537778178
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 12:29:56 PM
Yeah, he’s not wrong
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 12:30:59 PM
The American Left makes fun of the president talking about a "violent world" while embracing prominent figures who show the President and other conservatives being murdered.




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
I mean, maybe Trump could denounce anti-semitism? Maybe it's wrong for someone in his position not to do so?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
I mean, maybe Trump could denounce anti-semitism? Maybe it's wrong for someone in his position not to do so?

Why does a president embraced by the State of Israel need to denounce Antisemitism?   That's pretty much understood at this juncture.   You're just too used to your guys hollow words.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
That's pretty much understood at this juncture.

Not among a good portion of his base. And he gives them every reason to believe he's truly the POS they think he is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 27, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Yeah, he’s not wrong

True, but maybe there are things you can do to make a bad situation better  :dunno:

That and the idea of needing armed security at a house of worship is disgusting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 12:41:12 PM
That's pretty much understood at th

is juncture.

Not among a good portion of his base. And he gives them every reason to believe he's truly the POS they think he is.

One only need to look at the pictures I just posted to understand who the true POS in this world are . . . imagine if those images had come out already and your guy was still President and him standing up there with his hollow bullshit words and crocodile tears talking about Antisemitism, knowing full well he didn't believe a word he was saying.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 27, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
Yeah, he’s not wrong

So to be clear your one answer for gun violence is more guns everywhere? That's the only solution?

No idea how hard it is for some two bit security guard (of which we would now have 100000 of) sitting at every public entrance with a gun being able to take down a crazed gunman (with a much more powerful gun) and only injure/kill the gunman. Cops who train for years can't do it. 

Insanity.

I quoted you wacky but rant not directed just at you....directed at anybody with that thinking.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 27, 2018, 01:23:06 PM
Yeah, he’s not wrong

So to be clear your one answer for gun violence is more guns everywhere? That's the only solution?

No idea how hard it is for some two bit security guard (of which we would now have 100000 of) sitting at every public entrance with a gun being able to take down a crazed gunman (with a much more powerful gun) and only injure/kill the gunman. Cops who train for years can't do it. 

Insanity.

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1056248422548815872
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 27, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
Insanity observation confirmed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 01:35:41 PM
Yeah, he’s not wrong

So to be clear your one answer for gun violence is more guns everywhere? That's the only solution?

No idea how hard it is for some two bit security guard (of which we would now have 100000 of) sitting at every public entrance with a gun being able to take down a crazed gunman (with a much more powerful gun) and only injure/kill the gunman. Cops who train for years can't do it. 

Insanity.

I quoted you wacky but rant not directed just at you....directed at anybody with that thinking.
I was referring to the World is burning down comment. It feels like it’s true.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 27, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
My bad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 01:53:41 PM
All good. I hate guns. I have no problem doing whatever we need to do to stop this crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2018, 02:19:55 PM
All good. I hate guns. I have no problem doing whatever we need to do to stop this crap.
Voting hardline R is a good start
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
I don’t Judge you for voting ppl in to murder babies, Mocat. So maybe pump the brakes a bit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2018, 02:32:09 PM
I don’t Judge you for voting ppl in to murder babies, Mocat. So maybe pump the brakes a bit.

Well dont lie then
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2018, 02:32:54 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 27, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
I don’t Judge you for voting ppl in to murder babies, Mocat. So maybe pump the brakes a bit.

Pro life....till out of the womb then good luck in first grade kid...take a bullet proof backpack or something...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
Great instapivoting today by the whackadoo left.  From Trump’s fault to Nazi’s hate Nazi Trump because Nazi Trump has Jews in high positions and Nazi Trump loves Israel. 

So still Trumps fault. 



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2018, 04:09:27 PM
"Whatever we need to do"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2018, 04:16:23 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1056225678629122048
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 27, 2018, 04:26:00 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HandyClearcutBedbug-size_restricted.gif)

Such a shame. Too bad there's nothing we can do  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 27, 2018, 04:41:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1056295382362345473
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 27, 2018, 05:39:09 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1056225678629122048

No way do we only have 7 times as many gun murders as Canada, unless they're counting shooting bears or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: renocat on October 27, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Opinion from The Nation emagazine:
"The viciously nationalist rhetoric Trump now uses at his rallies, his onslaught against “globalists”—the word itself, along with “cosmopolitan” has always been anti-Semitic code for “Jewish”—his demonizing of immigrants, of refugees, of asylum seekers, his accusation that George Soros is somehow behind the caravan of Hondurans and Guatemalans, this is quite simply fodder for anti-Semites. “Soros” to anti-Semites in 2018 is a similar slur to “Rothschild” in the previous century."

MAN, WHAT SICK HATE COMING FROM THE ULTRALEFT.
Nationalism means putting America and all of its citizens first, and not being the world sow from which all piglets suck from. 

Opinion guy  :shakesfist:
 :bs: :Flipped off x2:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 27, 2018, 07:33:04 PM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 27, 2018, 07:46:58 PM
Should I be ashamed or proud that I have no understanding of who Soros is?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 28, 2018, 12:26:35 AM
Should I be ashamed or proud that I have no understanding of who Soros is?

Same
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 28, 2018, 02:07:48 AM
Should I be ashamed or proud that I have no understanding of who Soros is?

Same

The opportunity was there for a #metoo, and it wasn't one to be taken lightly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 28, 2018, 08:30:16 AM
No one other than hardcore anti-Semites (or people researching them) has ever heard of this insane crap. And dax is going to bat for them awfully rough ridin' hard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2018, 09:06:27 AM
The Soros funded the migrants is one of the more insane things I’ve heard recently but it barely registered because people are legitimately getting crazier. Did you see/hear the turning point people start an “Infowars, Infowars” chant at the White House meeting with Trump after he talked bad about the media?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 28, 2018, 09:41:14 AM
Enablers!

https://kval.com/news/nation-world/department-of-justice-to-file-hate-crime-charges-in-synagogue-shooting

I know this won't fit the narrative in LibBot Whackadoo World . . . the Justice Department under Trump is ratcheting up seeking the death penalty for these types of crimes.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 28, 2018, 09:45:41 AM
Damn, they're filing hate crime charges against a guy who walked into a synagogue and murdered 11 people? How courageous.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 28, 2018, 09:46:04 AM
Just read soros’ Wikipedia.

Thought he’d be richer.

I see he’s had interests in sports team ownership.

Seems like he’s done relatively mild things with his do-whatever-you-want money.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 28, 2018, 10:06:42 AM
Damn, they're filing hate crime charges against a guy who walked into a synagogue and murdered 11 people? How courageous.

I guess you missed the "wink and a nod" to the Alt-Right narrative now permeating LibBot Whackadoo World.

The takes in the past few days are those of the insane aka LibBot Whackadoo World

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 28, 2018, 10:09:00 AM
Just read soros’ Wikipedia.

Thought he’d be richer.

I see he’s had interests in sports team ownership.

Seems like he’s done relatively mild things with his do-whatever-you-want money.

He's a monetary ghoul who was complicit with the Nazi's during WWII, and no amount of sanitizing is going to change that reality. 

What's hilarious is that Whackadoo LibBot World completely losses it's mind over people like the Koch's (who hate Trump BTW, for some weird reason). 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on October 28, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
He turned 15 right before WWII ended btw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 28, 2018, 10:27:20 AM
He turned 15 right before WWII ended btw

Complicit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life_and_education
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 28, 2018, 10:33:14 AM


He's a monetary ghoul who was complicit with the Nazi's during WWII, and no amount of sanitizing is going to change that reality. 



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKnG06-oYcg[/youtube]
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on October 28, 2018, 10:45:10 AM
Cool, now Dax is pushing anti-semitic rhetoric  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 28, 2018, 10:52:15 AM
"nationalist"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2018, 11:23:33 AM
He's a monetary ghoul who was complicit with the Nazi's during WWII, and no amount of sanitizing is going to change that reality. 

Dax, maybe time to step back and consider your sources of information


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 28, 2018, 12:25:40 PM
I dunno, it seems legit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 28, 2018, 01:17:34 PM
Dax, how many guns do you own?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 28, 2018, 02:40:22 PM
IT'S NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE

https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1056243250514878464?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 28, 2018, 02:46:40 PM
IT'S NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE

https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1056243250514878464?s=19

Ok, so let's ban the AR-15. Problem solved?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 28, 2018, 02:47:19 PM
IT'S NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE

https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1056243250514878464?s=19

Ok, so let's ban the AR-15. Problem solved?

Of course not. Improvement? Absolutely
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 28, 2018, 02:49:46 PM
Vote R and that’s what you get folks!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2018, 02:51:33 PM
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.  People kill people with astonishing efficiency with AR-15’s.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 28, 2018, 02:54:03 PM
IT'S NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE

https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1056243250514878464?s=19

Ok, so let's ban the AR-15. Problem solved?

Of course not. Improvement? Absolutely

It's (normally) a .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. There are tons of others that function the same way. I don't accept your assumption that it would improve anything.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 28, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1056628505440595968
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2018, 03:12:32 PM
What did the president say that made this guy shoot people, I missed that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 28, 2018, 03:14:01 PM
What did the president say that made this guy shoot people, I missed that.

You have to read The Atlantic article to find out. Spoiler: The point is rather attenuated.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on October 28, 2018, 03:49:27 PM
No one other than hardcore anti-Semites (or people researching them) has ever heard of this insane crap.


maybe i spend too much time reading investment crap, but i was pretty familiar with soros before the racist right decided he was a stand in for international jewry.  along with druckenmiller and rogers, he had a pretty amazing record as an investor.  not just astute insight, but utterly amazing balls.  and a very inspirational life story.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 29, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
Once again resident LibBots consider any discussion that's not fawning praise of their hero's as being racist.   :jerk: :rolleyes:

Soro's and several others caused financial crises in the UK, Malaysia and Thailand.   Their excuse was that the state financial and economic entities of those countries just "over reacted" to the position of their hedge funds or didn't react quickly enough.   But hey, they got rich while people suffered. 

It's fitting that resident LibBots would love a person who considers himself a messianic figure.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 29, 2018, 09:47:16 AM
https://twitter.com/wsoctv/status/1056877882318958593?s=21

Nothing we can do here, guys.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 03, 2018, 04:29:06 PM
https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1058813133895204865
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on November 03, 2018, 05:11:10 PM
the war on terror probabaly should shift to domestic fringe right targets
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 03, 2018, 05:14:46 PM
IT'S NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE

https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1056243250514878464?s=19

Ok, so let's ban the AR-15. Problem solved?

Of course not. Improvement? Absolutely

It's (normally) a .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. There are tons of others that function the same way. I don't accept your assumption that it would improve anything.

Welp, better not try anything at all, then.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 03, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
Once again resident LibBots consider any discussion that's not fawning praise of their hero's as being racist.   :jerk: :rolleyes:

Soro's and several others caused financial crises in the UK, Malaysia and Thailand.   Their excuse was that the state financial and economic entities of those countries just "over reacted" to the position of their hedge funds or didn't react quickly enough.   But hey, they got rich while people suffered. 

It's fitting that resident LibBots would love a person who considers himself a messianic figure.

If there's anyone I trust to provide an accurate representation of George Soros' bio, it's dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on November 03, 2018, 05:17:03 PM
IT'S NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE

https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1056243250514878464?s=19

Ok, so let's ban the AR-15. Problem solved?

Of course not. Improvement? Absolutely

It's (normally) a .223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. There are tons of others that function the same way. I don't accept your assumption that it would improve anything.

Welp, better not try anything at all, then.

Ban them as far as I care. Just saying it would be arbitrary and ineffective. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 05:18:21 PM
Disappointed at spracs logic here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on November 03, 2018, 05:19:24 PM
Disappointed at spracs logic here

Ok. Draft the bill language.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 05:54:38 PM



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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
All you have to do is vote against the R’s, duh! Obama only had 8 years to do nothing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 06:10:57 PM
Disappointed at spracs logic here

Ok. Draft the bill language.
How do you say no semi auto rifles, 2 week waiting period, and actual background checks in legalese?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
All you have to do is vote against the R’s, duh! Obama only had 8 years to do nothing.
https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1058505154159357952?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 06:18:15 PM
8 years bub
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on November 03, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
Disappointed at spracs logic here

Ok. Draft the bill language.
How do you say no semi auto rifles, 2 week waiting period, and actual background checks in legalese?
You don't need to use legalese. You just need language that is specific enough to put people on notice as to what exactly is legal or illegal. Banning all semiauto long guns is not something I've usually seen bandied about in these AR-15 discussions. Interesting.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 03, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1058505154159357952?s=19

that's semi-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 03, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
8 years bub

it was two years, wc.  they very correctly prioritized other legislation during that period.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 06:25:42 PM
Is that when he had the house? Because this crap has been going on for awhile now. Loser low iq take would be to blame it against the R’s.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 03, 2018, 06:32:41 PM
Is that when he had the house? Because this crap has been going on for awhile now. Loser low iq take would be to blame it against the R’s.

house, senate and presidency.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 03, 2018, 06:56:31 PM
Thanks a lot, Obama!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 07:03:39 PM
Bucket missing the point again  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on November 03, 2018, 07:05:29 PM
No gun law will ever stop wackys from going on a rampage.  They'll find other ways, like McVeigh.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 07:12:32 PM
 :dubious: My Dad gave me a red rider bee bee gun this year, Chings. Watch out!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on November 03, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Reported

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 07:14:28 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 07:58:42 PM
Is that when he had the house? Because this crap has been going on for awhile now. Loser low iq take would be to blame it against the R’s.
"Whatever it takes"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Nice tapout bud


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 08:02:43 PM
Is your argument that Republican elected officials have done more to combat gun violence in this country than their democrat counterparts?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 08:04:51 PM
My point is both sides have too much $ in their pockets to make change, no matter what you believe in your head.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 08:08:10 PM
My point is both sides have too much $ in their pockets to make change, no matter what you believe in your head.
NRA $? Or just like regular $?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on November 03, 2018, 08:09:53 PM
My point is both sides have too much $ in their pockets to make change, no matter what you believe in your head.

You'll have to explain how that makes any sense for politicians who don't receive any contributions from the NRA. What is the origin of this money that is keeping them from making change? Dems in the pocket of Big Emergency Room?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 08:10:49 PM
Heavy terriost attacks happened underneath Obama’s watch, you tell me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 08:12:14 PM
Heavy terriost attacks happened underneath Obama’s watch, you tell me.
That's a great point wacks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
Well, you’re not doing much either down here other than pointing fingers. R’s tho!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 08:15:08 PM
Can you break this down for us Mocat? What’s your point of attack moving forward?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
This doesn't have to be contentious. I've pointed out what I'd like to happen.
I'm of the opinion Republicans are obligated to not touch the gun issue, and I dont think that's even controversial to say. If you are a Republican candidate talking about gun legislation you are immediately unelectable. Would you agree?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 08:26:04 PM
I hate guns overall, so sure. I think it’s naive to think it’s that simple tho. Dems are backed by major abortion clinics, so it’s like a giant onion you need to peel back to fix. Both sides have shitty motives they have to back because they’re in too deep.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 03, 2018, 08:31:12 PM
I hate guns overall, so sure. I think it’s naive to think it’s that simple tho. Dems are backed by major abortion clinics, so it’s like a giant onion you need to peel back to fix. Both sides have shitty motives they have to back because they’re in too deep.

Backed by major abortion clinics  :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
Planned parenthood, bucket. They back careless sex.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 03, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
That major abortion clinic money is rolling in


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 08:39:49 PM
Wacky in all seriousness you know that's not true right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 03, 2018, 08:40:49 PM
Making up facts to defend laws you're not in favor of  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 03, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
My point is both sides have too much $ in their pockets to make change, no matter what you believe in your head.

if you change "money in their pockets" to "voters who care about the issue whose vote they'd lose", this is basically correct, although things can change and in fact do seem to be changing on this issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on November 03, 2018, 09:04:01 PM
i mean, wacky's not technically wrong...

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00314617 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00314617)

BUT

why would Planned Parenthood not want gun reform? That's a huge leap in logic that I'm not seeing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 03, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
i mean, wacky's not technically wrong...

if your claim is that a 2k donation can move a us congressperson's position, you are technically wrong.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
i mean, wacky's not technically wrong...

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00314617 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00314617)

BUT

why would Planned Parenthood not want gun reform? That's a huge leap in logic that I'm not seeing.
Wasn’t implying that. Just trying to provide both sides back stupid crap they shouldn’t. My best friend loves guns and he’s further left than I could ever imagine. I was a playboy, but can’t imagine killing something I created if I ever did. I do care about a women’s choice tho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on November 03, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
i mean, wacky's not technically wrong...

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00314617 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00314617)

BUT

why would Planned Parenthood not want gun reform? That's a huge leap in logic that I'm not seeing.
Wasn’t implying that. Just trying to provide both sides back stupid crap they shouldn’t. My best friend loves guns and he’s further left than I could ever imagine. I was a playboy, but can’t imagine killing something I created if I ever did. I do care about a women’s choice tho.

I completely disagree with your premise that women's reproductive health is "stupid crap". Planned parenthood does so much more than just abortions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 09:17:18 PM
Another reasonable discussion successfully hijacked to an unrelated issue by the wackster
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 09:21:50 PM
Oh look, it’s chodecat again, wanting the pit to be a dumpster fire of pro everything I only believe in. Shocking!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2018, 09:29:45 PM
Chodster: “Engaging, engaging, etc.”

Also the chodester:

“JFC, he ruined another thread!”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 03, 2018, 09:30:13 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 03, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1058505154159357952?s=19

that's semi-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

The guy who posted that (KSU grad) also is not super intelligent.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 03, 2018, 10:50:45 PM
peak 'pub.

https://twitter.com/HitherToFore/status/1058872394956333058
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on November 03, 2018, 11:01:59 PM
I yes'd this: https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1639,_Changes_to_Gun_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 08, 2018, 05:25:08 AM
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/california-shooting-intl/index.html


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on November 08, 2018, 06:13:58 AM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1060505152958971904
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on November 08, 2018, 08:49:07 AM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1060505152958971904

Seems weird to lump a bunch of gang related killings and drive-bys in with the types of mass shootings we're talking about in this thread, but I guess it fits the definition.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on November 08, 2018, 10:03:21 AM
Oh, it's merely gang members that died because of guns? In that case, nevermind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2018, 10:13:23 AM
Gang members are typically criminals, criminals have guns and don't care about gun laws . . . because, wait for it, they're criminals.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on November 08, 2018, 10:37:03 AM
Yes, everyone who breaks the law can die as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: _33 on November 08, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
okie dokie chum1.  Any shooting where 4 or more people are injured is exactly the same.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 08, 2018, 11:15:06 AM
It kind of makes a lot of sense to lump all the mass shootings together when the question is whether guns are too dangerous to be made so widely available.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
Yes, everyone who breaks the law can die as far as I am concerned.

Getting Dumb1 to tap out is pretty easy anymore.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2018, 11:27:23 AM
Dumb1

whoa


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 08, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
It kind of makes a lot of sense to lump all the mass shootings together when the question is whether guns are too dangerous to be made so widely available.

Also, why take the time and effort to categorize them when we are going to do absolutely nothing to prevent any future shootings, anyway?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2018, 02:04:30 PM
It kind of makes a lot of sense to lump all the mass shootings together when the question is whether guns are too dangerous to be made so widely available.

Also, why take the time and effort to categorize them when we are going to do absolutely nothing to prevent any future shootings, anyway?

you are forgetting T's & P's
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on November 09, 2018, 11:56:12 AM
https://twitter.com/drjudymelinek/status/1060912988532629504
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 12:10:23 PM
As an advocate of more strident gun laws I'd like to ask Dr. Judy how many of those corpses were engaged in criminal activities and/or were criminals. 

Also, you're not going to get rid of guns in this country, at least not get them out of the hands of violent criminals as long as we have basically an open border with one of the most dangerous countries in the world insofar as entire swaths of that country being controlled by people that are not the government . . . rather narco-terrorists who have a vested interest in getting their product to the United States and protecting their operations in the United States.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 09, 2018, 12:13:52 PM
I don't think I've ever heard the "yeah well what about the Mexicans" argument against gun control. Well done dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
I don't think I've ever heard the "yeah well what about the Mexicans" argument against gun control. Well done dax.

I'm not talking about Mexicans, dummy.  I am talking about narco-terrorists who control huge swaths of the country to our immediate South.

Your shtick is getting old.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 09, 2018, 12:20:26 PM
Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about Mexicans and apparently you're talking about the people in the country to the immediate south of the US.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 12:45:40 PM
Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about Mexicans and apparently you're talking about the people in the country to the immediate south of the US.

So now you're mad that I referenced a very specific group of terrible people just because many of them might be Mexicans?

You're so weird.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on November 09, 2018, 12:47:51 PM
So, legalize all drugs, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 09, 2018, 12:48:05 PM
Yes, I'm the one getting angry in this exchange
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 12:52:36 PM
Yes, I'm the one getting angry in this exchange

Until further notice I'll just presume you support the narco-terrorists many of them outsiders as they terrorize the locals (who don't have guns and can't protect themselves).


SMDH, sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 09, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
So now you're pushing that gun control will lead to a narco terrorist controlled united states (but you're in favor of gun control)

Ok
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 01:09:18 PM
Intentionally obtuse is a terrible look, and no.

I was pretty clear about that when I brought this up.   Context and nuance is lost on you, but I'll give you the benefit (for now) and say it's purposely lost.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on November 09, 2018, 05:47:16 PM
https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1060977811584962560

I find this interesting and encouraging. I don't think there's a law or laws that are going to be passed in the next 1-2 presidential terms to fix this problem. This will be a generational fight. Perhaps this is a sign of that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 05:53:26 PM
bucket, tell us what kind of gun laws you'd like to see.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on November 09, 2018, 06:10:32 PM
bucket, tell us what kind of gun laws you'd like to see.


I say we need gun control for women.  They're too emotional; and a gun in a hot woman's hands is not to be encouraged.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 09, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
katdaddy, irl no


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 09, 2018, 06:26:32 PM
https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1060977811584962560

I find this interesting and encouraging. I don't think there's a law or laws that are going to be passed in the next 1-2 presidential terms to fix this problem. This will be a generational fight. Perhaps this is a sign of that.

Interesting unless most Pubs have A ratings and most Dems have Fs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2018, 11:31:37 PM
Shopping cart defense against the religion of peace.

https://twitter.com/imamofpeace/status/1061060136809054208?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
If only there had been a good guy with a gun to stop the good guy with a gun from shooting the good guy with a gun who just shot a bad guy with a gun

https://twitter.com/erichaywood/status/1061989225774559233?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on November 12, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
god dammit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on November 12, 2018, 09:47:03 PM
If only there had been a good guy with a gun to stop the good guy with a gun from shooting the good guy with a gun who just shot a bad guy with a gun

https://twitter.com/erichaywood/status/1061989225774559233?s=21


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Well Son of a bitch, when a guy follows Trump instructions to a tee this is what he gets.  :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on November 12, 2018, 09:52:55 PM
Shopping cart defense against the religion of peace.

https://twitter.com/imamofpeace/status/1061060136809054208?s=21

Thank God the cops put a hole in that knife welding bastard!  :shakesfist: :angry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 14, 2018, 11:47:11 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on November 19, 2018, 09:39:59 PM
Mercy hospital Chicago today. Cop and perp dead, a few others shot
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 24, 2018, 10:28:42 AM
Can even happen in a garbage backwater like Birmingham  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 24, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/us/alabama-mall-shooting.html#click=https://t.co/JYNlzRiylW


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2018, 08:42:36 AM
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1066698061882302464?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 25, 2018, 11:00:48 AM
Wow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 25, 2018, 02:17:08 PM
Is anyone surprised that they're giant pieces of crap?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 25, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
good guy with a gun kills good guy with a gun is still a good story.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2018, 08:15:50 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1068143453563949056
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on December 14, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1073602919101026304
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
The militia is being well regulated
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2019, 08:32:56 AM
iirc we have some federalist fan bois on this blog

https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/07/david-hogg-isnt-jewish-speaking-jewish-event-gun-control/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on January 07, 2019, 08:58:36 AM
Holy crap that headline
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on January 07, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
iirc we have some federalist fan bois on this blog

https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/07/david-hogg-isnt-jewish-speaking-jewish-event-gun-control/

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 07, 2019, 07:49:09 PM
This plus that congress swearing in photo pretty much cements that Republicans are going all in on homogeny.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2019, 06:05:17 PM
5 people killed doesn't even register in the USA. shall not be infringed, etc.

https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/1089312526058381312
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 27, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
The militia is clearly being well regulated
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
Legislate against criminal crazies I say . . .
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2019, 06:00:28 PM
should also go in the massive POS pub thread

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1093264319469432833
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 13, 2019, 09:04:20 PM
15 year old killed outside a HS basketball game. No real news outside local KC news.  Wonder why?

https://twitter.com/rktownsend/status/1095829307778363393?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 13, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
15 year old killed outside a HS basketball game. No real news outside local KC news.  Wonder why?

https://twitter.com/rktownsend/status/1095829307778363393?s=19
Because this happens frequently in cities across the country? Why would it be national news?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on February 13, 2019, 10:00:39 PM
School shooting  of a school aged girl at a school event?  Not saying it would be 24x7 breaking news any more, gets to the point of "this happens all the time, so what" is a sad statement on where we are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2019, 02:38:15 PM
https://twitter.com/CityofAuroraIL/status/1096505361744314369
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2019, 06:37:16 AM
https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/1100174693959634945?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on February 26, 2019, 07:10:19 AM
The reasonable question to ask is what else is in that bill? Is it just about background checks?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 26, 2019, 07:43:11 AM
The reasonable question to ask is what else is in that bill? Is it just about background checks?

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the president of the united states has no idea
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on February 26, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
The reasonable question to ask is what else is in that bill? Is it just about background checks?

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the president of the united states has no idea


SD, you and I know for a fact, he doesn't sweat the details."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2019, 11:52:42 AM
The newly emerged demand that POTUS know every detail of every thing is absolutely adorbs.

I give you guys credit, your demands of POTUS really ratcheted up at an exponential rate on or around Nov. 2016.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2019, 12:18:46 PM
Let's start with trump just knowing 1 thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2019, 12:40:42 PM
Let's start with trump just knowing 1 thing

That really wasn’t the point.  You guys didn’t have a problem with the “we need to vote on the bill before we can know what’s in it” era.  While your guy didn’t say that, I doubt he could have elaborated on it much without staff, the speech writers and a TelePrompTer.   But now you demand every nuance be known.  LOL.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2019, 12:45:26 PM
Trump not knowing anything about anything isn't the point!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2019, 01:09:57 PM
Trump not knowing anything about anything isn't the point!

The level of demands of Libs on POTUS took a massive uptick in 2016.   Just can't figure out why guys were missing on that for 8 years.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
Seems to me that expectations of the president of the United States of America have fell drastically since 2016, but at least trump never accidentally said "57 states", right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2019, 02:00:46 PM
Seems to me that expectations of the president of the United States of America have fell drastically since 2016, but at least trump never accidentally said "57 states", right?

irl srs Q: did obama have any other gaffes besides that one? i'm not talking about tan suit or drone stuff, i mean just lol at ol barry for saying something stupid type stuff
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 26, 2019, 03:06:07 PM
He said you can keep your insurance carrier. That was not accurate.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 26, 2019, 03:45:28 PM
I think it was doctor.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2019, 08:10:11 AM
A good guy with a gun could have stopped this

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/country-singer-justin-carter-dead-at-35-after-accidental-shooting


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 22, 2019, 08:54:05 AM
I just looked up his song "Love Affair" on Spotify. Now I want to shoot myself too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 22, 2019, 10:49:47 AM
Imagine if guns we're regulated and fretted about as quickly as planes and escooters.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2019, 11:09:55 AM
I skimmed the article and it said a gun in his pocket went off in his pocket and hit him in the eye? That doesn’t make any sense?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2019, 09:20:07 PM
I skimmed the article and it said a gun in his pocket went off in his pocket and hit him in the eye? That doesn’t make any sense?

yeah, I mean, a frightening number of people carry around loaded guns and blast their own balls off at about a 100:1 ratio to when they stop a crime or defend themselves with the gun. or were you talking about like the trajectory of the gun to when it blasted his own balls off and then hit him in the eye and killed himself with it? either way I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2019, 09:32:04 PM
I skimmed the article and it said a gun in his pocket went off in his pocket and hit him in the eye? That doesn’t make any sense?

yeah, I mean, a frightening number of people carry around loaded guns and blast their own balls off at about a 100:1 ratio to when they stop a crime or defend themselves with the gun. or were you talking about like the trajectory of the gun to when it blasted his own balls off and then hit him in the eye and killed himself with it? either way I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense.

It going off in his pocket is super common, has happened to at least two people I know in the last year. The trajectory of it being pointed down and hitting him in the eye is super strange.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2019, 09:34:21 PM
I skimmed the article and it said a gun in his pocket went off in his pocket and hit him in the eye? That doesn’t make any sense?

yeah, I mean, a frightening number of people carry around loaded guns and blast their own balls off at about a 100:1 ratio to when they stop a crime or defend themselves with the gun. or were you talking about like the trajectory of the gun to when it blasted his own balls off and then hit him in the eye and killed himself with it? either way I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense.

It going off in his pocket is super common, has happened to at least two people I know in the last year. The trajectory of it being pointed down and hitting him in the eye is super strange.

maybe it blasted through his balls ricocheting off the ground and then blasting him in the eye?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 22, 2019, 09:37:48 PM
It going off in his pocket is super common, has happened to at least two people I know in the last year.
Wait, WHAT?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2019, 09:42:13 PM
I personally think that the mom is lying her ass off but I suppose the ball blowup ricochet theory is still on the table.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2019, 09:46:50 PM
It going off in his pocket is super common, has happened to at least two people I know in the last year.
Wait, WHAT?

Well within the last 12 months.  Neither of them died.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on March 23, 2019, 11:47:48 AM
I always carry my pistols barrel up in my pocket.  Don't want to shoot off my dinger.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 23, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
I always carry my pistols barrel up in my pocket.  Don't want to shoot off my dinger.

Yeah even if your brain is dead at least you still have it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2019, 06:03:16 PM
https://twitter.com/lpolgreen/status/1111029896824926208
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
MAGA!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on May 09, 2019, 09:39:54 AM
The new colorado shooting doesn't even move the needle, even in this thread.  Woof.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/colorado-school-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 09, 2019, 11:16:21 AM
God damnit

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 09, 2019, 11:28:59 AM
Guarantee it's some farm noise from the farm next door and the city slickers are just dumbasses
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 09, 2019, 11:37:16 AM
foundation employees on lockdown.  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 09, 2019, 11:45:12 AM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 09, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
Looks like libderp was right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 09, 2019, 12:21:42 PM
Sounds like it was a possible road rage incident near the building
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: #LIFE on May 09, 2019, 12:51:30 PM
Sounds like it was a possible road rage incident near the building

Look at oscar having his guys in mid-season form already
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 09, 2019, 01:18:30 PM
Get some new material, #LIFE.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 09, 2019, 02:38:57 PM
that was funny, guy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 09, 2019, 10:44:39 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 09, 2019, 11:08:09 PM
Savage and so true
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 09, 2019, 11:08:56 PM
Should we do this Venezuela style guys? #CaseClosed?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 09, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
I hate guns btw, but having the government take over them mainly sounds like a $ maker if I've heard of one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 10, 2019, 06:11:43 AM
wut


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on May 10, 2019, 06:22:18 AM
https://therightscoop.com/watch-stem-school-students-walked-out-of-vigil-after-democrats-made-it-about-gun-control/

These kids get it.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 10, 2019, 06:27:58 AM
Kickball must be Thursdays this year
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 08:59:40 AM
wut


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Venezula banned citizen gun ownership in 2012. Now they’re just rolling tanks over their own people and doing whatever the eff they want as a government. I see a lot of libs rush to this thread after a shooting saying “do something”, but they legit have no resolution on what that should be. Ban all guns?
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 10, 2019, 09:17:33 AM
There are lots of proposed solutions wacky. Only thing is, for all the lighter ones pubs say they won’t fix anything, and for all the heavier ones pubs say they’re unconstitutional.

My personal fav is still regulating guns like cars.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on May 10, 2019, 09:19:37 AM
No legit person has ever said that and dozens of ideas from closing gun buying loopholes to licensing (like a driver has to get) to more education to gun buybacks to fixing background checks have been offered. Literally not one has been entertained by the NRA bought politicians.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 10, 2019, 09:19:46 AM
wut


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Venezula banned citizen gun ownership in 2012. Now they’re just rolling tanks over their own people and doing whatever the eff they want as a government. I see a lot of libs rush to this thread after a shooting saying “do something”, but they legit have no resolution on what that should be. Ban all guns?
Where does the $ maker aspect fit into all this?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 09:30:14 AM
 :dubious: I didn’t mean it that way, short side option. I meant it like “Oh yeah, genius idea”, but carry on dleweirdo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 10, 2019, 09:31:56 AM
I hate guns btw, but having the government take over them mainly sounds like a $ maker if I've heard of one.
:dunno:

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 09:34:00 AM
I just explained myself above. I didn’t mean it literally. How would the government make $ by taking guns away? I think it’s a dumb idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 10, 2019, 09:35:03 AM
Sheesh dleweirdo, do you not commonly use “$ maker” to describe something that has nothing to do with money?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 09:36:11 AM
Happy Friday, guys!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 10, 2019, 09:37:27 AM
Sheesh dleweirdo, do you not commonly use “$ maker” to describe something that has nothing to do with money?
wacky's rhetorical devices go over my head sometimes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 10, 2019, 09:40:43 AM
Happy Friday, guys!

You too! It’s a $ maker if I ever saw one! :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 09:41:23 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 10, 2019, 09:57:56 AM
Have you olds never heard of "shake your $ maker"? $ maker is ass so if something is a $ maker idea that means it's an ass idea.

Happy to help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 10:04:04 AM
So sad. Amateurs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 10, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: wackycat08
I see a lot of libs rush to this thread after a shooting saying “do something”, but they legit have no resolution on what that should be. Ban all guns?

Someone else already covered this, but yeah, shitloads of options have been proposed and with the exception of a bump stock ban, literally not one has been entertained by Republican politicians. I mean this thread is how many pages long? You really think no solutions have been proposed?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on May 10, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
Have you olds never heard of "shake your $ maker"? $ maker is ass so if something is a $ maker idea that means it's an ass idea.

Happy to help.

I'm an old and, by the way, we're the ones who came up with that saying.  :curse:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 10, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
Hell yeah katdaddy, yes!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 21, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1130880712876470273
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 07, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
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Re: Another school shooting

It's what RepubliKKKons do bestest.

Quote
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It was put in to make Slave States' Honkies feel secure in hunting down escaped or revolting slaves and shooting them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 28, 2019, 08:44:40 PM
Mass shooting a little over a half hour ago tonight at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in California. Police say 11 victims--no idea if they are alive or not. Either way, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on July 29, 2019, 06:23:56 AM
"Only" 3 dead so far. Good news is that I haven't heard them saying the guys name on the news at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2019, 06:48:39 AM
Seems like this is just the price of FREEDOM, guess nothing can ever be done about this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on July 29, 2019, 06:49:34 AM
California has an “assault weapons” ban, a Red Flag Law, a ten-day waiting period on gun purchases, a “good cause” requirement for concealed carry permit issuance, a background check requirement for ammunition purchases, and the festival and park in Gillroy were 100% gun free.

More restrictions surely would have hindered the mental case that carried this out. Sad very sad all around.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2019, 08:51:12 AM
Oof
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on July 29, 2019, 01:09:27 PM
CNN says Ak47 legally purchased in Nevada and suspect insta account posted white supremacists messages.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2019, 01:11:44 PM
hurray
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on July 29, 2019, 03:05:35 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on July 29, 2019, 03:13:04 PM
 :sdeek:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-tries-to-sell-interviews-with-gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-survivors
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 29, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
human trash
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
El Paso
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 03:22:27 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 03, 2019, 05:06:08 PM
I got nothing! I’ve owned and used guns my whole life and never thought about using them against another person simply buying rough ridin' toilet paper and coke for their home. Just so much bs out there today and too many loons just got nothing!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 05:42:51 PM
https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1157740352838742016
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 05:57:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Rickyh180/status/1157748178940256258?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 07:20:44 PM
https://twitter.com/kt_so_it_goes/status/1157792807731499009?s=21


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 07:28:40 PM
Even some MAGA chuds have had enough

https://twitter.com/carminesabia/status/1157750608474058752?s=21
https://twitter.com/carminesabia/status/1157759005101572096?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 07:30:57 PM
And some are taking a different path...

https://twitter.com/inquilines/status/1157802912329998339?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 07:43:49 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/flood-of-illegal-migrants-to-the-border-outpaces-last-two-years-with-1-1m-expected-in-fy2019

No a crisis though . . . check that, it's Trump's non-crisis-crisis
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Despite the invasion
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
Thankfully President Trump is sending T&P’s

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1157825763326013440
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2019, 09:09:08 PM
https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1157740352838742016
I know you know this isn’t right, but carry on
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1157740352838742016
I know you know this isn’t right, but carry on

How else can we create change than influencing people with misleading info?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2019, 09:13:46 PM
Thankfully President Trump is sending T&P’s

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1157825763326013440
What a weird thing to get angry about
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2019, 09:16:50 PM
https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1157740352838742016
I know you know this isn’t right, but carry on

How else can we create change than influencing people with misleading info?
You act like crazy people will stop doing crazy things once guns are outlawed. I hate to say this, but crazy people will find a way.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 09:17:09 PM
42069cat can we agree mass shootings are bad news and people dying is a bad thing and just continue crushing suds in agreement of that?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2019, 09:20:43 PM
Yes, they’re obviously bad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 09:22:26 PM
:cheers:

Not to make this a thing but I’m pretty lit already and don’t want to fight, just want to piss off Dax.  Let’s just keep that between us ;)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 09:24:08 PM
https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1157832430067310592?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
The weirdness of these POS going into mass areas to open up fire not only screams small dick syndrome, but also shows how easy it is to cross dumb eff kids who got mistreated in HS. Trolling is a legit cause for most of this crap if you ask me. Let’s be less shitty to one another.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 03, 2019, 10:04:22 PM
The weirdness of these POS going into mass areas to open up fire not only screams small dick syndrome, but also shows how easy it is to cross dumb eff kids who got mistreated in HS. Trolling is a legit cause for most of this crap if you ask me. Let’s be less shitty to one another.

Truth all you need to know is the dipshit went in with eye protection and hearing muffs! I don’t give an eff about melanin content of the individual I just want them taken out before they get to this. And if that means mental wards then so be it!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
I have no clue who the kid is, but there’s definitely a theme these days, white trash southern boys who look like they got pushed to the edge because life sucks for them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 01:31:34 AM
Seriously eff gun people.  This is beyond dumb. 

We ban scooters when one person twists an ankle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 04, 2019, 06:39:29 AM
Another mass shooting last night in Dayton, OH, mere hours after a mass shooting at a shopping center in El Paso, TX. eff all of you 2A assholes who refuse to do anything about this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 07:30:54 AM
The well regulated militia seems to be working properly
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 07:36:21 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1157988680851689473
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 07:45:23 AM
https://twitter.com/gregabbott_tx/status/659427797853536256?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 07:49:32 AM
From a year ago, a lot has changed since then!

https://www.insider.com/what-trump-tweeted-after-mass-shooting-president-2018-5
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 07:52:51 AM
Less than a minute

https://twitter.com/daytonpolice/status/1157973500709265408
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 04, 2019, 07:57:59 AM
How do you fix this? Screaming eff someone accomplishes nothing. Bans don’t work Cali, you can’t house people in a mental ward anymore that show signs of a problem. So how do we fix this? Below is just a small sample of how large the volume of guns are. We already have a registration process for all purchases? Again I am at a loss.

The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That’s great. There were over 600,000 hunters.

Allow me to restate that number. Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world – more men under arms than Iran; more than France and Germany combined – deployed to the woods of a single American state to help keep the deer menace at bay.

But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan’s 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia, and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:11:47 AM
stricter controls on purchasing a gun; doing away with gun show, personal sales, and any other back doors; licensing and registration required for guns (if you have to have one to drive, you have to have one to own a gun); that license and registration comes with a cost just like the car registration, the money is used for mental health, etc. programs; high capacity magazine bans, if you miss bambie 5 times you need to get a new hobbie; if your gun is used in a crime and you were negligent in allowing the criminal to control it there will be consequences criminal and tort; we've been over viable options ITT hundreds of times. The throwing your hands in the air and saying there's nothing we can do each time is a loser tactic.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/15/1599e06bd7b11b9d1e3d414c4cfb97bd3ad4ed044ac06d4ec5625cf4d0d224ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
T&Ps are about it. It in the Constitution. Nothing more can be done.

We proved that when little kids got murdered in their classroom. You think a  guy wanting to kill Mexicans at a Walmart will change anything?

If you think the vitriol come from our leaders doesn't add to this you are crazy.

A 20 something social worker got killed downtown KC because am 18 year old with a gun for in a fight and wanted to empty his clip into a crowd to prove how big he was. This public health problem happens every single day in this country and we shrug. 

Insane. History will not look fondly upon us.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:24:12 AM
https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1158014418065776642?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:40:41 AM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1158018836366540802?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
https://twitter.com/freedlander/status/1157792910827491329?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 09:44:44 AM
I'm in for trying "praying in schools" tomorrow.  We need more big thinkers like that guy to solve these problems!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:51:34 AM
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1158018462125572102?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 09:56:09 AM
Okay I'm in on banning all video games too.  What's next?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 10:18:18 AM
Okay I'm in on banning all video games too.  What's next?

Japan has a complete video game ban and no gun crime. Coincidence?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
https://twitter.com/bfriedmandc/status/1158025780233986048?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 10:21:11 AM
T&Ps are about it. It in the Constitution. Nothing more can be done.

We proved that when little kids got murdered in their classroom. You think a  guy wanting to kill Mexicans at a Walmart will change anything?

If you think the vitriol come from our leaders doesn't add to this you are crazy.

A 20 something social worker got killed downtown KC because am 18 year old with a gun for in a fight and wanted to empty his clip into a crowd to prove how big he was. This public health problem happens every single day in this country and we shrug. 

Insane. History will not look fondly upon us.
Thank god you’re doing something about it on a K-State message board, Phil!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 10:43:23 AM
T&Ps are about it. It in the Constitution. Nothing more can be done.

We proved that when little kids got murdered in their classroom. You think a  guy wanting to kill Mexicans at a Walmart will change anything?

If you think the vitriol come from our leaders doesn't add to this you are crazy.

A 20 something social worker got killed downtown KC because am 18 year old with a gun for in a fight and wanted to empty his clip into a crowd to prove how big he was. This public health problem happens every single day in this country and we shrug. 

Insane. History will not look fondly upon us.
Thank god you’re doing something about it on a K-State message board, Phil!

I totally agree . No gE. I'm not doing enough and history will frown on me too. What else can I do?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 10:46:57 AM
I think fake outraging on a message board is perfect, Phil. You got this!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 10:53:31 AM
People get shot and killed every day in KCMO, but my god, they do it at a first Friday’s with your white privileged ass, and all of a sudden you care? Sorry someone ruined your Friday night, Phil. Maybe tell your new boss to focus in on KC’s high crime rate this time around.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 11:32:19 AM
I think fake outraging on a message board is perfect, Phil. You got this!

Bud. I'm on prayers in school and no more video games. What else should we do?

We are in the same said on this one, why fight?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
https://twitter.com/benpauker/status/1158007256413347843
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 11:37:46 AM
I think fake outraging on a message board is perfect, Phil. You got this!

Bud. I'm on prayers in school and no more video games. What else should we do?

We are in the same said on this one, why fight?
Just trying to figure out why you were so “meh” about KC being a dumpster fire for crime (years ago), saying you guys hire plenty of police force, but now you’re all up in arms now that they made it downtown in between your 2nd cab Sauv and your medium rare two headed eel salad. That’s all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2019, 12:26:08 PM
Wack really hates rich people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 12:29:10 PM
Lol. Yeah, that’s it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 12:35:20 PM
The fact that’s what you took out of that response is classic slow dug. Maybe Phil should do less bragging about what our tax dollars are paying him to whine less on a message board about crime getting too close to him. You ever think about that one, dug?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 04, 2019, 12:36:21 PM
Eliminate/restrict guns.

Put a shitload more resources into profiling/monitoring/restricting weirdos.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 12:44:55 PM
How do people protect their house when weirdos find guns with the new law you guys are all craving for? You act like this will stop weirdos from doing weirdo things. Is this when you guys finally want to protect the boarder?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/742053354189299712?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 04, 2019, 01:13:19 PM
I just can’t stop admiring that medium rare two headed eel salad burn. That crap was next level. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 04, 2019, 01:39:07 PM
The only way to protect your house from weirdos is an assault rifle. Everyone knows that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on August 04, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
"we've banned god and you think this is a gun problem?!"

 :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 04, 2019, 01:50:53 PM
The only way to protect your house from weirdos is an assault rifle. Everyone knows that.

Irrelevant.  Weirdos aren't attacking houses.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2019, 02:12:26 PM
The first Friday shooting has made me question my privilege BT
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 02:17:26 PM
I just can’t stop admiring that medium rare two headed eel salad burn. That crap was next level.
Thought of that one while mowing today. :)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 02:25:35 PM
The first Friday shooting has made me question my privilege BT
Who cares about admitting your city has a crime problem when it’s only happening on Troost and not your own backyard, but god dammit, if it shows up on my door step, now I’m concerned!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 02:34:57 PM
I’m not 100% sure where you’re going with this wackster


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 02:40:19 PM
I’m making fun of Phil, bud. He scoffed at KC’s Crime rate years ago because of his boss, but now is a bit concerned because someone interfered with his first Friday’s.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on August 04, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
I’m not 100% sure where you’re going with this wackster


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Obviously not anywhere close to Dayton or El Paso
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 02:46:10 PM
Treys, you don’t care either. You got your avocado toast this morning with a bloody that had like 5 pickles on a stick for you and you’re set now. Now judge away as you cut your hemp tree and twirl your hipster mustache.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 04, 2019, 02:47:55 PM
this may be a good day for electronics-free kickball
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 02:49:16 PM
speaking of people who shouldn't be allowed to own a gun and mental health...

https://twitter.com/2LarryJohnson7/status/1158020024952639490
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on August 04, 2019, 02:52:38 PM
holy crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 02:53:15 PM
his whole timeline is bonkers crazy person stuff
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on August 04, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
some common sense gun control measures will help stem violence across the entire socioeconomic spectrum

those little pickles are called cornichons, btw  ;)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 04, 2019, 02:56:36 PM
California has an “assault weapons” ban, a Red Flag Law, a ten-day waiting period on gun purchases, a “good cause” requirement for concealed carry permit issuance, a background check requirement for ammunition purchases, and the festival and park in Gillroy were 100% gun free. Lots of checks and measures here don’t you think SD?  All of your ideas pretty much covered here and yet still did not stop a loon with a gun.

The shear numbers of guns in this country make it problematic no one is ever going to get rid of them all. Look at Londonistan ban all firearms and what happens loons with knives start killing others on the street ban rocks too while your at it. It eff in sucks to read about this every other week but until we start to police ourselves and take responsibility for our own actions and hold others to that as well you will continue to have loons. A gun is a tool period the synapses or lack there of is what counts that’s using that tool. I’m not against licensing the owners at all but again it won’t change a damn thing.

Oh and 600,000 hit the field and not one casualty in Michigan who needs to be watched? I’m not refuting anyone on this blog and I’m not against any ideas that will help just to be clear.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 04, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
How do people protect their house when weirdos find guns with the new law you guys are all craving for? You act like this will stop weirdos from doing weirdo things. Is this when you guys finally want to protect the boarder?

What does the border have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 02:59:09 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
https://twitter.com/johncornyn/status/1142414736572768256?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 03:02:54 PM
Look at Londonistan ban all firearms and what happens loons with knives start killing others on the street ban rocks too while your at it.

Incredible argument self own ‘sotacat


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 03:04:19 PM
https://twitter.com/kslane/status/1158036201330434049


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 04, 2019, 03:04:50 PM
Look at Londonistan ban all firearms and what happens loons with knives start killing others on the street ban rocks too while your at it.

Incredible argument self own ‘sotacat
About as compelling as  library cards for gun ownership Sd! Covered in Cali already.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 04, 2019, 03:13:41 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158102732085108736

This president does more than T & P's
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 04, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
his whole timeline is bonkers crazy person stuff

I hope he’s on america’s weirdo list.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
Didn't dax try posting some LJ stuff to support an argument of his like last week
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 03:47:12 PM
BUT GUNS ARE BANNED IN CALI!!!

wierdo drives 2 hours to Nevada to get his gun

SEE THE CALI BAN JUST DOESN'T WORK


Argument self owns all over the place for ol' 'sotacat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1158111543445336064
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 04, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
BUT GUNS ARE BANNED IN CALI!!!

wierdo drives 2 hours to Nevada to get his gun

SEE THE CALI BAN JUST DOESN'T WORK


Argument self owns all over the place for ol' 'sotacat

Not my argument lib. Example A as to the we can limit and legislate ourselves to safety crowd when a loon can just as easily drive you over on a sidewalk but that would limit your life style too much to give it a thought. But ok to attack mine because you don’t understand it or try to somehow rationalize we all act the same gun owners that is.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 04:25:58 PM
Makes sense ‘sotacat


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on August 04, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
I hardly ever get shot like pretty much never
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 05:48:12 PM
I’m making fun of Phil, bud. He scoffed at KC’s Crime rate years ago because of his boss, but now is a bit concerned because someone interfered with his first Friday’s.

I'm not sure how you think you are making fun of me or why you feel the need to do it but you scurried off to OPKS because of "crime" so LOL.

You and clams think PD on every corner is the answer to our nationwide gun problem.  PD were at both the first friday shooting and Dayton shooting within seconds of it happening.  PD being on every corner doesn't stop dumb crazies from killing 1-20 people.  I'm all for investing as much as possible in PD budgets but I don't think that's the single answer here.  I'm all for it though....so now in this thread since Dayton/El Paso we are up to:

* Ban all video games
* cops every corner
* Praying in schools.

Anything else we can think of to help curb gun violence.  Anything at all?  Is this it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 06:02:21 PM
I didn’t scurry off, I grew up Peter Pan.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 04, 2019, 06:04:02 PM
Mods, change Wackys name to 420whiteflightcat69 please
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 06:09:41 PM
I didn’t scurry off, I grew up Peter Pan.

Don't be hateful wacks.  It's not your strong suit.  We're all just living our lives here buddy. 

I'm not sure why you love to attack me (you invoked my name like a dozen times today) but I forgive you.  I hope you have a good Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 04, 2019, 06:20:15 PM
I’m making fun of Phil, bud. He scoffed at KC’s Crime rate years ago because of his boss, but now is a bit concerned because someone interfered with his first Friday’s.

I'm not sure how you think you are making fun of me or why you feel the need to do it but you scurried off to OPKS because of "crime" so LOL.

You and clams think PD on every corner is the answer to our nationwide gun problem.  PD were at both the first friday shooting and Dayton shooting within seconds of it happening.  PD being on every corner doesn't stop dumb crazies from killing 1-20 people.  I'm all for investing as much as possible in PD budgets but I don't think that's the single answer here.  I'm all for it though....so now in this thread since Dayton/El Paso we are up to:

* Ban all video games
* cops every corner
* Praying in schools.

Anything else we can think of to help curb gun violence.  Anything at all?  Is this it?

Save some room for thoughts to go with the prayers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 06:25:53 PM
Where have we heard "invasion" before?

https://twitter.com/WillMcAvoyACN/status/1158036742571794432
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 06:35:36 PM
Phil, do you really think I scurried off due to crime or do you think I grew up like an adult and am thinking about my families best interest moving forward? I just think it’s so Lol how you don’t gaf about this cities huge crime rate until it messes with your first Friday’s. We all see it every day, it’s just that our government people we hired to run this city laugh at our horrific crime rate like it’s no big deal, because my boss is ‘sly and he could do no wrong!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 04, 2019, 06:37:37 PM
I grew up like an adult

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 04, 2019, 06:39:34 PM
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

And while we are it let’s denounce leftist socialist anti theological slants as well. Neither side of idiocy has the higher ground on either, and both and all loons need to be denounced in the utmost manner. And or put down before they harm innocent people writ large.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 06:43:13 PM
I like the ‘burbs but have been tossing the idea around of moving back closer to downtown/crossroads/plaza and I’m a grown adult.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 06:50:34 PM
That’s great. I don’t think you’re in your mid 40’s though clinging on to dear life like you don’t want the party to end and judging anyone else like they’re crazy for doing so once they get married and have kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
Yeah the paint is still fresh on me joining the 30's club.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 07:09:12 PM
https://twitter.com/thedweck/status/1158068182931763200?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
Phil, do you really think I scurried off due to crime or do you think I grew up like an adult and am thinking about my families best interest moving forward? I just think it’s so Lol how you don’t gaf about this cities huge crime rate until it messes with your first Friday’s. We all see it every day, it’s just that our government people we hired to run this city laugh at our horrific crime rate like it’s no big deal, because my boss is ‘sly and he could do no wrong!

Bud if you don't think I care about KC's crime rate I don't know what to tell you.  I've never once stated that anywhere even implicitly.  If you don't think Sly cared about our crime rate I don't know what to tell you either.  You may not agree with (or even know) the ways he tried to combat it maybe?

Why you moved is honestly no concern or problem with me, that was just a bit of gE'ing given you said my name like 10 times in the span of 3 hours. As I've said before I live by the Trim 3:16 rule of do what you want and I'm happy you did what is best for you and yours.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 04, 2019, 07:41:26 PM
 :Lurk:
Yeah the paint is still fresh on me joining the 30's club.

We'd love to have you back. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on August 04, 2019, 08:50:35 PM
Damn. My buddy is 48 and raising a family a half mile from the Plaza. Guess he's not a grown up caring adult.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on August 04, 2019, 08:56:40 PM
Neither side of idiocy has the higher ground on either

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1158156922077536256
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 09:01:12 PM
Damn. My buddy is 48 and raising a family a half mile from the Plaza. Guess he's not a grown up caring adult.

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lol. Cool story, bro.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:16:03 PM
Other MAGAs get creative...

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1158051291886751746?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 04, 2019, 09:40:54 PM
Other MAGAs get creative...

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1158051291886751746?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 04, 2019, 09:56:02 PM
Damn. My buddy is 48 and raising a family a half mile from the Plaza. Guess he's not a grown up caring adult.

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I can’t believe he’s that irresponsible The he lets his kids live that close to the street car of death so he can live in an area that lets him try to keep the party going too long.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 10:07:32 PM
The streetcar isn’t near the plaza, dumbass.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 10:09:21 PM
There’s also a huge difference between living downtown and living near the plaza, but carry on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 04, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
The streetcar isn’t near the plaza, dumbass.

I don’t know KC nor give a crap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 10:11:08 PM
Soon  :crossfingers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 10:12:00 PM
The streetcar isn’t near the plaza, dumbass.

I don’t know KC nor give a crap.
I can see that. :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:04:29 PM
I hope you Warren supporters are happy.  Connor Betts openly supported Liz and was an open advocate of socialism.   

Since everyone knows that it's political beliefs and even actual politicians that cause this behavior, then we only have one conclusion on the Dayton situation.  Blood is on the hands of Liz Warren, socialists and to be blunt, even Progressive Liberals.    We were also one Capital Cop away from a full blown wipe out of a substantial portion of the Pub side of the House of Reps by a Feel the Berner.   Not to mention other mass shooters who identified with the American political left, as well as the guy in New Zealand who seized upon the rhetoric of the American political left in hopes of starting a civil war. 

Gonna quietly shove Dayton aside so the media can get their due on El Paso.

I call on all ProgLibs and Socialists to ratchet down the hate and the rhetoric!







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on August 04, 2019, 11:16:24 PM
Thank you, dax, for finding that the silver lining of the Dayton tragedy is that it can be used to absolve Trump.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:18:53 PM
Thank you, dax, for finding that the silver lining of the Dayton tragedy is that it can be used to absolve Trump.

Unfortunately, it doesn't absolve the Progressive Liberal movement in this country whose hate and rhetoric has fueled killers.   We were just an eyelash away from a deranged Feel the Berner committing the greatest set of political assassinations in our countries history.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on August 04, 2019, 11:19:48 PM
Thank you, dax, for finding that the silver lining of the Dayton tragedy is that it can be used to absolve Trump.

Unfortunately, it doesn't absolve the Progressive Liberal movement in this country whose hate and rhetoric has fueled killers.   We were just an eyelash away from a deranged Feel the Berner committing the greatest set of political assassinations in our countries history.

You're trash.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:22:20 PM


Nope, your side has ratcheted up the rhetoric to the point that even more ProgLib nutjobs are out their killing people.   If you're going to blame Trump and everyone just to the right of center for all the supposedly right wing nutjobs, then take responsibility for your own . . . for once.

The way you guys politicize this stuff makes you absolute scum.







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 04, 2019, 11:28:23 PM
I'm good with weirdos on both sides of the aisle being put on the weirdo list.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 11:28:51 PM
Yikes Dax. I knew you gE high stepped to Trump but didn’t think you would white supremacist yourself unequivocally like this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 11:31:25 PM


Nope, your side has ratcheted up the rhetoric to the point that even more ProgLib nutjobs are out their killing people.   If you're going to blame Trump and everyone just to the right of center for all the supposedly right wing nutjobs, then take responsibility for your own . . . for once.

The way you guys politicize this stuff makes you absolute scum.

There's that legendary resident daxderp nation lack of self awareness. A true commitment to his craft.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:35:02 PM


Nope, your side has ratcheted up the rhetoric to the point that even more ProgLib nutjobs are out their killing people.   If you're going to blame Trump and everyone just to the right of center for all the supposedly right wing nutjobs, then take responsibility for your own . . . for once.

The way you guys politicize this stuff makes you absolute scum.

There's that legendary resident daxderp nation lack of self awareness. A true commitment to his craft.

LOL, it's like you live in a little bubble and you don't see or hear the rhetoric.   Don't worry Lib, Dayton will be buried by tomorrow and it'll be El Paso 24/7.   Your candidates are already in full blown blame Trump mode, even Bernie and Liz whose rhetoric has fueled 2 mass shooters.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2019, 11:38:55 PM


Nope, your side has ratcheted up the rhetoric to the point that even more ProgLib nutjobs are out their killing people.   If you're going to blame Trump and everyone just to the right of center for all the supposedly right wing nutjobs, then take responsibility for your own . . . for once.

The way you guys politicize this stuff makes you absolute scum.

https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1158014418065776642

Any videos of Liz Warren laughing about shooting people leaving the club?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:40:58 PM
Yes MIR, there hasn't been any political rhetoric from the left espousing violence, you're another person that apparently lives in a little information bubble.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2019, 11:43:11 PM


Nope, your side has ratcheted up the rhetoric to the point that even more ProgLib nutjobs are out their killing people.   If you're going to blame Trump and everyone just to the right of center for all the supposedly right wing nutjobs, then take responsibility for your own . . . for once.

The way you guys politicize this stuff makes you absolute scum.

https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1158014418065776642

Any videos of Liz Warren laughing about shooting people leaving the club?

There’s an easy way to Daxflect from that video. Just blame Hillary or Obama or really anything else, then immediately post something else that is completely changing the subject. The Daxbot is the best at targeting narratives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:49:32 PM
I'm sure you'll join me in calling upon the American Political Left to ratchet down their rhetoric so as to quit fueling more mass shooters.

Things like "get up in their faces" and the tacit approval of AntiFa cannot be tolerated from the American political left anymore.

I almost forgot, the Las Vegas shooter was an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton, which is why the largest mass shooting in modern U.S. history was quickly buried in the news.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 11:52:40 PM
I'm sure you'll join me in calling upon the American Political Left to ratchet down their rhetoric so as to quit fueling more mass shooters.

Things like "get up in their faces" and the tacit approval of AntiFa cannot be tolerated from the American political left anymore.

I almost forgot, the Las Vegas shooter was an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton, which is why the largest mass shooting in modern U.S. history was quickly buried in the news.


Talk about a bubble  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:55:02 PM
You keep stepping away, probably fist pumping all your leaders making this into a political show while failing to accept their own culpability in these tragedies.   

LibDerp7, join me in calling upon the American Political Left to quit espousing violence and hate which has fueled multiple mass shooter and near mass shooters.




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2019, 11:58:46 PM
You keep stepping away, probably fist pumping all your leaders making this into a political show while failing to accept their own culpability in these tragedies.   

LibDerp7, join me in calling upon the American Political Left to quit espousing violence and hate which has fueled multiple mass shooter and near mass shooters.

LRDNLOSA is increasing in frequency  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:00:04 AM
Let the record show that LibDerp7 will not disavow the hateful rhetoric of the American political left.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 05, 2019, 12:01:12 AM
:sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 05, 2019, 12:03:11 AM
Guys, there are plenty of mass shootings to go around. No need to get greedy. Looking at you, dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:04:00 AM
I invite all resident LibDerps to join me in in calling upon the LibDerp Leadership and presidential candidates to quit politicizing these terrible tragedies and to stop all the hate filled rhetoric that has driven multiple socialist and LibDerp leaning mass shooters to action.

https://apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on August 05, 2019, 12:04:10 AM
I'm sure you'll join me in calling upon the American Political Left to ratchet down their rhetoric so as to quit fueling more mass shooters.

Things like "get up in their faces" and the tacit approval of AntiFa cannot be tolerated from the American political left anymore.

I almost forgot, the Las Vegas shooter was an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton, which is why the largest mass shooting in modern U.S. history was quickly buried in the news.
This didn't sound right to me. A quick Google search revealed it wasn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-shooting-facebook-google-fake-news-shooter (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-shooting-facebook-google-fake-news-shooter)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 12:06:08 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:08:37 AM
I'm sure you'll join me in calling upon the American Political Left to ratchet down their rhetoric so as to quit fueling more mass shooters.

Things like "get up in their faces" and the tacit approval of AntiFa cannot be tolerated from the American political left anymore.

I almost forgot, the Las Vegas shooter was an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton, which is why the largest mass shooting in modern U.S. history was quickly buried in the news.
This didn't sound right to me. A quick Google search revealed it wasn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-shooting-facebook-google-fake-news-shooter (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-shooting-facebook-google-fake-news-shooter)

Sorry, but according to some here, The Guardian is a tabloid and dare I say fake news.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on August 05, 2019, 12:09:40 AM
How was kickball with Wacky today, Dax?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 05, 2019, 12:09:42 AM
source pearl clutching :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:11:09 AM
source pearl clutching :frown:

I'm only going by what I was told on here by others.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 12:13:12 AM
:lol: omfg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:14:24 AM
:lol: omfg

Hey, here's the "every source that I don't believe is a tabloid" guy now.

The Big Tuck, redeem yourself and join me in calling upon the American political left to renounce politicizing these tragedies and accept their own culpability in these terrible events (for once).



Title: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 05, 2019, 12:16:28 AM
Yes MIR, there hasn't been any political rhetoric from the left espousing violence, you're another person that apparently lives in a little information bubble.

That isn't what I asked and you provided no evidence of whatever bullshit you spouted off about. I showed a video of the President of the United States endorsing the shooting of immigrants, and you're talking about who shooters voted for.

I don't give a flying eff if every single shooter, including all of the ones this weekend, voted for democrats, you won't find a video of hillary, bill, obama, liz, pete, bernie, or democratic official condoning gun violence. I can't dismiss the possibility  joe though, he's a rough ridin' idiot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 05, 2019, 12:19:52 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

Late 40s lawl
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
Yes MIR, there hasn't been any political rhetoric from the left espousing violence, you're another person that apparently lives in a little information bubble.

That isn't what I asked and you provided no evidence of whatever bullshit you spouted off about. I showed a video of the President of the United States endorsing the shooting of immigrants, and you're talking about who shooters voted for.

I don't give a flying eff if every single shooter, including all of the ones this weekend, voted for democrats, you won't find a video of hillary, bill, obama, liz, pete, bernie, or democratic official condoning gun violence. I can't dismiss the possibility  joe though, he's a rough ridin' idiot.

Barry said Democrats needs to bring a gun to the fight against Republicans, Maxine was espousing "getting up in their faces" and LibDerp academic voices espouse violence against conservatives all the time.







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:22:04 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

No it's not, you need to relearn your time zones The Big Dummy. 

I extend another invitation for you to redeem yourself and call on your party to disavow the violent political rhetoric and to stop politicizing these terrible events.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 12:23:13 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

Late 40s lawl

Math does not lie, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 12:23:35 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

Late 40s lawl

Room for a timezone joke too
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:26:46 AM
Lots of LibFlection in this thread.

I'll again call on all resident LibDerps to join me in calling out the politicization of these events by the American political left and to stop the rhetoric that has fueled multiple mass shooters.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 12:27:37 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

No it's not, you need to relearn your time zones The Big Dummy. 

I extend another invitation for you to redeem yourself and call on your party to disavow the violent political rhetoric and to stop politicizing these terrible events.

I keep forgetting you live in ‘bama now.

It fits you SO much better than SC.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 12:28:27 AM
Lots of LibFlection in this thread.

I'll again call on all resident LibDerps to join me in calling out the politicization of these events by the American political left and to stop the rhetoric that has fueled multiple mass shooters.

crap, someone hit the reset button
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 12:29:56 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

Late 40s lawl

Room for a timezone joke too

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Wally+Judge+Nick+Russell+UNLV+v+Kansas+State+_IHi0FH3fFhl.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:30:39 AM
It’s past 1AM now from where Dax is posting from on a Monday early morning. From a late 40’s individual. :lol:

No it's not, you need to relearn your time zones The Big Dummy. 

I extend another invitation for you to redeem yourself and call on your party to disavow the violent political rhetoric and to stop politicizing these terrible events.

I keep forgetting you live in ‘bama now.

It fits you SO much better than SC.

I never lived in SC and I believe you live in Kansas . . . not exactly a hot bed of progressive thinking. 





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:32:02 AM
Lots of LibFlection in this thread.

I'll again call on all resident LibDerps to join me in calling out the politicization of these events by the American political left and to stop the rhetoric that has fueled multiple mass shooters.

crap, someone hit the reset button

So you're not going to call out your parties presidential candidates and leadership asking them to quit politicizing these terrible events?   Figures . . . SMDH, sad, but not surprising.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on August 05, 2019, 01:14:47 AM
i dont believe you, dax
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 06:34:32 AM
There has apparently been some confusion by some ITT but I’d like to make it clear that all proposed gun measures (at least from me) would apply to members of any and all political parties, socioeconomic tiers, and religious belief systems.

TY


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 06:41:47 AM
The El Paso manifesto specifically called out “fake news”

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1158340095608610816


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 06:52:14 AM
Perhaps marrying it to immigration reform you guys!

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1158330513951735809


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:03:57 AM
Presidents favorite tabloid

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 07:25:18 AM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1158344356111224834
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 07:30:53 AM
Dax really really wanted people to post that saying "getting in faces" is the reason for shootings.  So add it to the list

* Cops every corner
* No video games
* Pray in school
* Ban "get in their faces" phrase from Dem politicians

Anything else to stop all this gun violence or should that do it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 07:38:01 AM
'sd, odds this guy has a corn husking accident?

https://twitter.com/BrentGriffiths/status/1158203926891704320
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:43:02 AM
he represents the middle of Omaha. he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:47:38 AM
Nebraska actually has a good number of non MAGA moderate republicans. and this one seems to have a lot more backbone than my guy Ben.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:52:19 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeGrunwald/status/1158357841356324865
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:59:16 AM
The El Paso manifesto specifically called out “fake news”

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1158340095608610816


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https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1158352080509296646
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2019, 08:07:25 AM
Oh the president wants background checks huh?  What if maybe there was a bill that was ready to vote on regarding this?  That would be great, maybe we could have done that ... 5 months ago.  Thanks Mitch!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8/text/pcs

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2019, 08:22:11 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190805/c6800e5e38078e6b80e0b787daac164e.jpg)
Critical that we stop the invasion for your safety
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 05, 2019, 08:34:58 AM
https://twitter.com/BobMooreNews/status/1158369695881465856

 :Ugh:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on August 05, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
A lot of politicizing of gun violence in this thread.  Republicans are continuing to do the responsible thing and waiting until there is a couple of months without a mass shooting to address the problem.  Tragedies should not be used as political fodder to talk about preventing tragedies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 08:59:57 AM
'sd, odds this guy has a corn husking accident?

https://twitter.com/BrentGriffiths/status/1158203926891704320

https://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/nebraska-lawmaker-says-republican-party-enables-white-supremacy/article_a5659ece-f553-5a44-b8c6-ac445c31de76.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
Clinton :curse: :curse: :curse:

https://twitter.com/hillarywarnedus/status/1157776241459630080
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 05, 2019, 09:27:51 AM
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1158381799216734209

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Dems also shut down 4 gun control measures after the Orlando Nightclub shooting. 

The Dayton suspect was an avid follower/re-tweeter of both AntiFa and DSA on social media.   The Dayton suspect also glommed all over AOC's fake "concentration camp" narrative and called the person killed fire bombing the ICE offices a "martyr".

I call on all Resident LibDerps to join me in denouncing the dangerous and untruthful rhetoric that is continually spewed by the American Political Left.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158206000656048128

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158171944249806848

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158170581696598016





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 09:39:49 AM
Daxflection away from his racist dear leader to something else, classic. :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:46:18 AM
Daxflection away from his racist dear leader to something else, classic. :lol:

Your refusal to denounce the dangerous rhetoric that the American Political Left spews which once again has caused blood to be spilled is telling but not unexpected.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on August 05, 2019, 09:58:33 AM
Daxflection away from his racist dear leader to something else, classic. :lol:

Your refusal to denounce the dangerous rhetoric that the American Political Left spews which once again has caused blood to be spilled is telling but not unexpected.



I disagree that the guy who runs Antifa on twitter should be held to a higher standard than the President of the United States
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 10:00:10 AM
I’d like to formally go on the record as wanting to ban the owning of assault weapons for ANTIFA sympathizers (and all other human beings).


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:01:35 AM
Daxflection away from his racist dear leader to something else, classic. :lol:

Your refusal to denounce the dangerous rhetoric that the American Political Left spews which once again has caused blood to be spilled is telling but not unexpected.



I disagree that the guy who runs Antifa on twitter should be held to a higher standard than the President of the United States

Yes, it's just social media where AntiFa is dangerous . . . excellent deflective point from as usual.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Dems also shut down 4 gun control measures after the Orlando Nightclub shooting. 

The Dayton suspect was an avid follower/re-tweeter of both AntiFa and DSA on social media.   The Dayton suspect also glommed all over AOC's fake "concentration camp" narrative and called the person killed fire bombing the ICE offices a "martyr".

I call on all Resident LibDerps to join me in denouncing the dangerous and untruthful rhetoric that is continually spewed by the American Political Left.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158206000656048128

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158171944249806848

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158170581696598016

Can you give me some examples to denounce please?  I'm all for feeling good about myself and doing some denouncing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 05, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1158381806904926209

Nothing is going to change.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
Dems also shut down 4 gun control measures after the Orlando Nightclub shooting. 

The Dayton suspect was an avid follower/re-tweeter of both AntiFa and DSA on social media.   The Dayton suspect also glommed all over AOC's fake "concentration camp" narrative and called the person killed fire bombing the ICE offices a "martyr".

I call on all Resident LibDerps to join me in denouncing the dangerous and untruthful rhetoric that is continually spewed by the American Political Left.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158206000656048128

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158171944249806848

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158170581696598016

Can you give me some examples to denounce please?  I'm all for feeling good about myself and doing some denouncing.

How about the "Abolish ICE" movement, you know, those evil people that bust up child sex trafficking rings, arrest human traffickers, go after people who lied about their guardian status of minors etc. etc.

Also you can pretty much denounce all the lies spewed by the Left about immigration and call them out for their purely political stance on the issue which is designed to do only one thing, garner votes.

Also the whole aiding and abetting drug cartels, human traffickers etc. etc. etc.   That's just for starters.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 10:10:24 AM
God damnit who put “Toledo” on the TelePrompTer!? Whatever you put on it Trump will *try* and read.

https://twitter.com/wkamaubell/status/1158391377144586241
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
https://twitter.com/jamesmsama/status/1158391466407923712
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
Remembering how the left lost their mind at any discussion about ol' Bill "bulbous coke nose" Clinton or talk of Barry's days on the rail(s) in Chicago.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 10:16:53 AM
Dax you truly are a POS.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
Dax you truly are a POS.

I hope you were looking in the mirror when you posted that.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 10:21:45 AM
Dems also shut down 4 gun control measures after the Orlando Nightclub shooting. 

The Dayton suspect was an avid follower/re-tweeter of both AntiFa and DSA on social media.   The Dayton suspect also glommed all over AOC's fake "concentration camp" narrative and called the person killed fire bombing the ICE offices a "martyr".

I call on all Resident LibDerps to join me in denouncing the dangerous and untruthful rhetoric that is continually spewed by the American Political Left.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158206000656048128

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158171944249806848

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158170581696598016

Can you give me some examples to denounce please?  I'm all for feeling good about myself and doing some denouncing.

How about the "Abolish ICE" movement, you know, those evil people that bust up child sex trafficking rings, arrest human traffickers, go after people who lied about their guardian status of minors etc. etc.

Also you can pretty much denounce all the lies spewed by the Left about immigration and call them out for their purely political stance on the issue which is designed to do only one thing, garner votes.

Also the whole aiding and abetting drug cartels, human traffickers etc. etc. etc.   That's just for starters.

Denounced.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:39:23 AM
You denunciation has a population of 1:  you

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 11:02:24 AM
You denunciation has a population of 1:  you

Still waiting on your proud denouncing of 2+ years of this administration driving a social/racial/religious wedge in our society.  I assume you don't need us to repost the mountain of evidence of that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 11:04:40 AM
I’d like to formally go on the record as wanting to ban the owning of assault weapons for ANTIFA sympathizers (and all other human beings).

You're a persuasive bbs'r, sd.  I'm in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 11:06:57 AM
I’d like to formally go on the record as wanting to ban the owning of assault weapons for ANTIFA sympathizers (and all other human beings).

You're a persuasive bbs'r, sd.  I'm in.

I hesitate to include Antifa in this but SD is persuasive.  I'm in!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 11:12:46 AM
You denunciation has a population of 1:  you

Still waiting on your proud denouncing of 2+ years of this administration driving a social/racial/religious wedge in our society.  I assume you don't need us to repost the mountain of evidence of that.

Well you can start that discussion with the most amazing political party meltdown ever, driven by the simple fact that Hillary Clinton didn't win the election.   You guys actually believe the Russians got Trump elected (this is for starters).


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
You denunciation has a population of 1:  you

Still waiting on your proud denouncing of 2+ years of this administration driving a social/racial/religious wedge in our society.  I assume you don't need us to repost the mountain of evidence of that.

Well you can start that discussion with the most amazing political party meltdown ever, driven by the simple fact that Hillary Clinton didn't win the election.   You guys actually believe the Russians got Trump elected (this is for starters).

Denouncement of Trump population 0:  Not Dax.  Never.  No way.  Hillary pivot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 11:24:15 AM
I'd also like to propose a full gun registration requirement for all ANTIFA members and sympathizers and people who tweet about ANTIFA. They will still be allowed to own their (non-assault) guns but will have to register them and be licensed to own them. The cost associated with this registration will fund public safety programs, back ground checks/screens, and mental health initiatives. There will be laws put into place to charge the registered owner of the gun if their gun was used in a crime. Also personal gun sales and gun show backdoors and other backdoors will all be closed. The name of the bill will be STOP ANTIFA GUN CRIME BY MAKING ANTIFA BECOME LICENSED, REGISTER THEIR ANTIFA GUNS, AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SHITTY ANTIFA GUNS BILL.

and it will apply to everyone else in the entire country as well. TY.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
I'm in on the SAGCBMABLRTAGABRFTSAG bill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 05, 2019, 11:32:29 AM
will this also apply to BLM folks, ChiCom Joe, and Hillary?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 11:33:23 AM
I was sleeping on the antifa but now I think I agree with 'sd that they should definitely be included in any gun legislation
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 11:33:36 AM
I'm in on the SAGCBMABLRTAGABRFTSAG bill.

SACAGe for short

Stop
Antifa
Crime
and
Antifa
Guns
and
everybody else
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 05, 2019, 11:34:40 AM
Dax you truly are a POS.

I hope you were looking in the mirror when you posted that.


Why would he call himself Dax? :confused:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 11:37:28 AM
will this also apply to BLM folks, ChiCom Joe, and Hillary?

You can't spell MAKING ANTIFA BECOME LICENSED w/o BLM.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 05, 2019, 11:38:00 AM
sold.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 11:38:56 AM
I was just goin to come over here and post that Antifa should be included in stronger gun legislation but Dax beat me to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 11:39:25 AM
Will dax dare attach his support to this bipartisan proposal?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 11:45:33 AM
Will dax dare attach his support to this bipartisan proposal?

he has basically demanded that antifa be included in the common sense gun legislation
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 11:46:50 AM
I disavow and agree that Trump should be better with his words and tell some dummies to shut up.

Going back to the border again, many people would listen to the left outrage if they actually thought it was genuine, it is not genuine in any way.   Particularly knowing LibDerp Leadership has done a 180 on the border since Trump was elected.   The original pics of kids in cages included Obama administration officials walking on the outside of the cages . . .you said nothing because you didn't care.















Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 11:48:30 AM
I disavow and agree that Trump should be better with his words and tell some dummies to shut up.

Going back to the border again, many people would listen to the left outrage if they actually thought it was genuine, it is not genuine in any way.   Particularly knowing LibDerp Leadership has done a 180 on the border since Trump was elected.   The original pics of kids in cages included Obama administration officials walking on the outside of the cages . . .you said nothing because you didn't care.

this is the shooting people thread Dax.  It has plenty of action w/o your border rants.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
I disavow and agree that Trump should be better with his words and tell some dummies to shut up.

Going back to the border again, many people would listen to the left outrage if they actually thought it was genuine, it is not genuine in any way.   Particularly knowing LibDerp Leadership has done a 180 on the border since Trump was elected.   The original pics of kids in cages included Obama administration officials walking on the outside of the cages . . .you said nothing because you didn't care.

this is the shooting people thread Dax.  It has plenty of action w/o your border rants.

Looks like you go to the Nancy Pelosi school of root cause analysis.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 05, 2019, 11:54:31 AM
IRL question for the blog: is Dax a white supremacist, at least a little bit?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 11:56:36 AM
Yikes, dax is now coming with "if the libderps just gave us what we wanted we wouldn't need to commit mass murder"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:00:16 PM
Yikes, dax is now coming with "if the libderps just gave us what we wanted we wouldn't need to commit mass murder"

Even more yikes is Libs refusal to disavow and  claim his movements responsibility for driving multiple mass shootings.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 05, 2019, 12:03:48 PM
Yikes, dax is now coming with "if the libderps just gave us what we wanted we wouldn't need to commit mass murder"

Even more yikes is Libs refusal to disavow and  claim his movements responsibility for driving multiple mass shootings.

Pretty sure many have diavowed Trump for this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 05, 2019, 12:09:59 PM
https://twitter.com/usatodayDC/status/1158343909053014018

She could be worth a follow, Dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 12:12:34 PM
That can't be real.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on August 05, 2019, 12:33:06 PM
Guys, quit trying to further radicalize Dax and Wacky.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 12:34:38 PM
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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 12:37:59 PM
picture this guy posted up on his deck with a 100 rd drum fed AR just going rough ridin' commando on feral hogs as his children play. rivers of hog blood flow through the yard but the hogs just keep coming. no time to reload. no time to change weapons. the only thing keeping the feral hogs off his yard equipment and children is american firepower.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 05, 2019, 12:38:39 PM
Let me forever live in your head, Chings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 12:42:23 PM
the hog bodies become pseudo walls which helps slow the advance of the feral hog army. but it also traps you IN the fire zone. now the battle is isolated to this spot. fleeing is no longer an option (also you just filled two batches of Bunch-O-Baloons for the kids and good luck getting them inside after that) so you have to keep the lead flying. it's a solid wall of hog parts and ordinance. only your weapon, unlimited cheap asian ammo, and the american constitution which protects your right to own both can keep this water balloon party secure.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 12:49:53 PM
Write that book, @ben_ji.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 05, 2019, 12:51:29 PM
Literal lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: meow meow on August 05, 2019, 12:51:42 PM
lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 12:51:45 PM
You've barely had time to get another Busch Light out of the cooler before the second wave comes. Your gun barrel is bright red but luckily uncle sam lets you own multiple high capacity weapons of various calibers. you think over the scene in Tremors with the wall of guns and your mind tries to focus on which one to choose (also you're distracted by your fully erect penis). The american and confederate flags whip in the breeze behind you. your kids are singing that rough ridin' old town road bullshit song you hate. this is the time for decisive decisiveness. you pick up your Steyr AUG (american made, looks like a space gun, rough ridin' sick) and let fly. your kids are still singing that rough ridin' SONG. no time to discipline them now, you're disciplining feral hogs, american style.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: meow meow on August 05, 2019, 12:53:05 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 01:17:22 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1158430945806049281?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 01:25:44 PM
dax is going to absolutely explain how Toledo is actually Dayton
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 05, 2019, 01:28:26 PM
probably just bring up 57 states
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
No, it's going to be the uh uh uh stuff again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 01:39:37 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 05, 2019, 01:41:54 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

https://twitter.com/MattZemek/status/1158405442864705536
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 01:42:35 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 02:06:46 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on August 05, 2019, 02:10:35 PM
sd  :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 02:12:35 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?

Probably so, but I do enjoy you're constantly bringing that up considering that environmental groups in Germany are successfully blocking  wind mill construction projects due to environmental concerns.




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2019, 02:14:18 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?

Probably so, but I do enjoy you're constantly bringing that up considering that environmental groups in Germany are successfully blocking  wind mill construction projects due to environmental concerns.
Dead birds and noise =/= brain cancer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 02:18:30 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?

Probably so, but I do enjoy you're constantly bringing that up considering that environmental groups in Germany are successfully blocking  wind mill construction projects due to environmental concerns.
Dead birds and noise =/= brain cancer

I didn't say anything about cancer.   



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
You've barely had time to get another Busch Light out of the cooler before the second wave comes. Your gun barrel is bright red but luckily uncle sam lets you own multiple high capacity weapons of various calibers. you think over the scene in Tremors with the wall of guns and your mind tries to focus on which one to choose (also you're distracted by your fully erect penis). The american and confederate flags whip in the breeze behind you. your kids are singing that rough ridin' old town road bullshit song you hate. this is the time for decisive decisiveness. you pick up your Steyr AUG (american made, looks like a space gun, rough ridin' sick) and let fly. your kids are still singing that rough ridin' SONG. no time to discipline them now, you're disciplining feral hogs, american style.

Oh wow, that was decent. 

But well short of the SD of old.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 02:25:33 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?

Probably so, but I do enjoy you're constantly bringing that up considering that environmental groups in Germany are successfully blocking  wind mill construction projects due to environmental concerns.

I think windmills can have some effect on birds but you'd have to be very stupid to say the noise causes brain cancer.  You apparently disagree and believe there is the potential that noise from a windmill may be a carcinogen.  One of us will be proven right and the other total dip wad with manure for brains.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2019, 02:47:35 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?

Probably so, but I do enjoy you're constantly bringing that up considering that environmental groups in Germany are successfully blocking  wind mill construction projects due to environmental concerns.
Dead birds and noise =/= brain cancer

I didn't say anything about cancer.
So your response to DugDick was a non-sequitur. Thanks for sorting that out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 02:52:00 PM
The Democratic Front runner sent his love to Houston and Michigan.   

LibDerp Nation:  Hyper Aware since November 2016

So saying the shooting was in Toledo is something only a huge idiot would do right?

I'll remember to call everyone who mis-speaks a huge idiot.   So in that case, the last Dem pres and the current Dem frontrunner are "huge idiots" along with the current pres.

Would you consider saying the noise from windmills causes brain cancer a mis-speak?

Probably so, but I do enjoy you're constantly bringing that up considering that environmental groups in Germany are successfully blocking  wind mill construction projects due to environmental concerns.

I think windmills can have some effect on birds but you'd have to be very stupid to say the noise causes brain cancer.  You apparently disagree and believe there is the potential that noise from a windmill may be a carcinogen.  One of us will be proven right and the other total dip wad with manure for brains.

Nope, I agreed with you.   But resident libderp nation has long held that that windmills offer far more positive than negative.   It's gotten to the point that even EuroGreens are blocking further wind mill roll outs.

But let's not let this distract us from the major issue at hand here and that's LibDerp Leadership provoking crazies to commit acts of terrorism and rage.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 02:58:22 PM
feral hog guy is doubling down

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158099893615026177

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158087296681480193

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158100627462995968
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 05, 2019, 03:04:51 PM
holy crap i had no idea he was serious
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 03:07:24 PM
holy crap i had no idea he was serious

at first I thought there was a better than 50% chance he was joking. then I checked his profile and he's tweeting like turningpointusa crap and I was like, oh yeah this guy 100% for sure is horned up for feral hogs (30-50) massacres while his young children play.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 03:19:28 PM
https://twitter.com/BBolander/status/1158442877552406528?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 03:29:21 PM
I think you and I hashed that out by agreeing that antifa will be subject to the new gun control laws
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 05, 2019, 04:00:51 PM
Feral hogs are a big problem in parts of Tejas. You can pay money to go up in a helicopter and mow them down Vietnam style.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 04:02:25 PM
Feral hogs are a big problem in parts of Tejas. You can pay money to go up in a helicopter and mow them down Vietnam style.

This could be a good option for scared gun people who get horned up on their guns and have Rambo sex dreams and stuff. We take away their assault weapons but they get one yearly ticket to do gun violence in pigs.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 05, 2019, 04:05:02 PM
Quote
At least he didn't embarrass himself and call it a "clip".  Seriously, those are awful.  Not because of their capacity, but because they jam and have failures constantly.  Choose a better boogieman.  Nobody uses those outside of YouTube videos and movies.  Know a guy that does aerial hog hunts with AR's.  Perfect application, right?  Hates the damn things.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 04:09:02 PM
Feral hogs are a big problem in parts of Tejas. You can pay money to go up in a helicopter and mow them down Vietnam style.

This could be a good option for scared gun people who get horned up on their guns and have Rambo sex dreams and stuff. We take away their assault weapons but they get one yearly ticket to do gun violence in pigs.


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Baseball fantasy camp goes for $5200, so what you're describing could be a pretty good value.

https://www.mlb.com/yankees/fans/fantasy-camp/week-long
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 04:24:16 PM
Feral hogs are a big problem in parts of Tejas. You can pay money to go up in a helicopter and mow them down Vietnam style.

they are not a threat to that incel's kids
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
feral hog guy is doubling down

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158099893615026177

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158087296681480193

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158100627462995968

https://twitter.com/backlon/status/1158507734494523392
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
Which is why I demand congress stand up for my right to own a belt fed terminator 2 mini gun attached to my deck on a swivel with two (2) Busch light can holders. How else can I defend my lawn, small children, and slip and slide from 30-50 wild feral pigs?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 05, 2019, 06:52:06 PM
https://twitter.com/npenzenstadler/status/1158109460033953792

Self-defense though
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
https://twitter.com/qdaragh/status/1158470457747824640?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 05, 2019, 07:36:29 PM
https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/status/964129198930563072
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 08:47:28 PM
Remember having a president that was that suddenly rare combo of not being a rough ridin' idiot AND a genuinely great human being? I’d take even 1 out of 2 right now.

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/1158453079035002881?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 09:05:39 PM
So divisive
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 05, 2019, 09:23:17 PM
Term limits are the worst
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:46:07 PM
Weird how Barrack "Bombs Away" Obama the butcher of Libya didn't mention that the shooter in Dayton was a hardcore ProgLib socialist.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 05, 2019, 10:20:23 PM
Can we call him "Barry the Butcher" please? That would tickle me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Call we call him "Barry the Butcher" please? That would tickle me.

That's a butcher in Glastonbury where ruffians knocked over a trash bin last night . . . this Barry purposely under reports civilian casualties from his drone strikes.

 
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 06:55:12 AM
Holy crap. This makes complete sense to don and Fox News viewers apparently.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1158691113047416832?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 06, 2019, 07:49:15 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158691113047416832

Really getting to the heart of the matter here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
LibDerp Nation:  In a State of Perpetual Rage that fuels mass shooters like Connor Betts

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158627007900442625

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158623609167863808

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158617931569217536

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Can someone translate what those tweets are about?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
Can someone translate what those tweets are about?

LibDerp Nation: All Rage-All the Time

That's all you need to know.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 10:26:42 AM
Can someone translate what those tweets are about?

LibDerp Nation: All Rage-All the Time

That's all you need to know.

It's definitely all that you know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
I think the last one is slipknot lyrics
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 10:33:39 AM
on the one hand you have a ton of dead people and mass shootings all the time. on the other hand you've got some pearl clutching about people yelling at the guy who blocks legislation to do something about it. I don't know, I guess I can see both sides here. because I'm a giant rough ridin' moron.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 06, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
Can someone translate what those tweets are about?

They feature a fed up American citizen expressing their frustration with an elected official. What that video doesn't feature is the President chuckling at a supporter expressing the want to shoot someone, which is a felony. To dax someone calling someone else a murder and a turtle is the same thing as a terroristic threat. To these rough ridin' cowards like dax and Ryan Saavedra a loud talking negro is absolutely a threat that needs to be dealt with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
More violent rhetoric from the American Political Left, the same type of talk which drove people like the Dayton shooter and the Congressional Shooter, who was a Feel The Berner:

https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1158160628592209920
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 01:22:29 PM
I have no idea who that is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 01:24:50 PM
I have no idea who that is.

He used to be a CNN contributor.

It's also pathetic seeing Beto trying to gain political traction on the El Paso tragedy.   Desperate times I suppose.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 01:27:40 PM
He's like a religion expert or something. Think he may have worked for Obama.

He also provided religious consulting during the writing of the leftovers scripts (great contribution imho)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 06, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
I have no idea who that is.

He used to be a CNN contributor.

It's also pathetic seeing Beto trying to gain political traction on the El Paso tragedy.   Desperate times I suppose.

He could also be mad because he’s from there and lived there and also because it’s a massive problem that only one party wants to try to eradicate, but dax is gonna dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 02:05:43 PM
I have no idea who that is.

He used to be a CNN contributor.

It's also pathetic seeing Beto trying to gain political traction on the El Paso tragedy.   Desperate times I suppose.

He could also be mad because he’s from there and lived there and also because it’s a massive problem that only one party wants to try to eradicate, but dax is gonna dax.

Good luck trying to eradicate crazy people of which many are acting on the words of the American Political Left.

Beto glad handing with bloody hands.   Pathetic.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 06, 2019, 02:30:02 PM
Legit curious if dax is capable of conceptualizing and recognizing empathy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
Legit curious if dax is capable of conceptualizing and recognizing empathy.

I can differentiate between empathy and a politician trying to revive a campaign on life support.

Beto should have given one interview and then told them to turn off the cameras.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 02:43:07 PM
I don’t believe that is true dax


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
Ben Shapiro out looking for a celebrity to debate him and give him some fame.

https://twitter.com/JasonIsbell/status/1158786497207820288?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on August 06, 2019, 03:00:12 PM
lol @ policy being made by people who know about it.  Our old ass representatives legislate technology constantly.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 03:54:07 PM
https://twitter.com/npenzenstadler/status/1158109460033953792?s=20


That thing would kill a LOT of feral hogs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2019, 04:02:07 PM
Let's say it's the top end of 50.  You'd better be pretty efficient in killing them as they charge your kids in the first 3-5 minutes of play time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 04:29:56 PM
I would guess at least 1 kid is lost in collateral damage.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2019, 04:35:05 PM
I would guess at least 1 kid is lost in collateral damage.


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obviously that would be worst case scenario when the full 50 charge within the first 3 minutes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 06, 2019, 04:37:38 PM
I would guess at least 1 kid is lost in collateral damage.


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Sure, one out of your ten kids playing in the back yard might catch a stray bullet. But that's nothing compared to what the pigs would do to them. They are bloodthirsty.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2019, 04:57:39 PM
I would guess at least 1 kid is lost in collateral damage.


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Sure, one out of your ten kids playing in the back yard might catch a stray bullet. But that's nothing compared to what the pigs would do to them. They are bloodthirsty.

especially when there are between 30 and 50
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 06, 2019, 06:15:29 PM
https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1158684692213895170
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 06:42:12 PM
https://twitter.com/degeneratething/status/1158147316873932801


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 06, 2019, 06:42:55 PM
Legit curious if dax is capable of conceptualizing and recognizing empathy.

I can differentiate between empathy and a politician trying to revive a campaign on life support.

Beto should have given one interview and then told them to turn off the cameras.

:lol: you are such a terrible person
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
he represents the middle of Omaha. he'll be fine.
https://twitter.com/senmccollister/status/1158821190674329601?s=21.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:06:27 PM
I was responding to the poster who asked if he'd be murdered for his views. but I also think he'll be fine politically.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on August 06, 2019, 10:49:53 PM
how prescient of our founding fathers to foresee that one day in america, we'd need guns with the capacity to kill 30-50 feral hogs within 3-5 minutes. how else can we preserve the playtime freedom of our children? our pure white children? god bless america.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 07, 2019, 12:19:19 AM
Legit curious if dax is capable of conceptualizing and recognizing empathy.

I can differentiate between empathy and a politician trying to revive a campaign on life support.

Beto should have given one interview and then told them to turn off the cameras.

:lol: you are such a terrible person

All signs point to dax being probably at least a lil piccolo bit of an IRL white supremacist
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 06:25:46 AM
I don’t believe that’s true skinny


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 08:45:51 AM
https://twitter.com/horsewizrd/status/1158620582818095104?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 07, 2019, 09:04:01 AM
https://twitter.com/horsewizrd/status/1158620582818095104?s=21


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I LOLed. Thought about ROTFL, but I stayed in my chair
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 07, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
The comments to this are fantastic!

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2019, 09:45:37 AM
The same sort of argument can be made with terrorism and our defense spending.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 07, 2019, 09:45:43 AM
https://twitter.com/horsewizrd/status/1158620582818095104?s=21


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This might be the greatest tweet of all time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 09:51:55 AM
Neil making a move to win back the trumpers he frequently calls idiots.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fPuGVdr41laXqjzKdHbyVMxFZis=/0x0:1920x1203/1720x0/filters:focal(0x0:1920x1203):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/18933717/chart_2.png)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 07, 2019, 10:51:04 AM
What about all the people in Japan being killed by ninja throwing stars?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 10:56:55 AM
What about all the people in Japan being killed by ninja throwing stars?

I can't carry 30-50 throwing stars.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2019, 11:03:34 AM
I think ninjas can carry more stars than you might think, but I still don't think a ninja would be able to put down more than 10-15 hogs before they start slaughtering the children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 11:53:54 AM
I vote to be more like China, very authoritarian, throw a lot more people in jail, more capital punishment buses (or just lined up and shot with an AK 47) etc. etc.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 11:57:54 AM
Luckily there are an almost endless number of models to follow that are improvements. I don’t believe that’s the one I’d follow but to each their own.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 07, 2019, 12:06:37 PM
We already put more people in jail than China
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 07, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
Getting lined up and shot with an AK 47 is bad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 12:14:30 PM
https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/1159139809597767682?s=21


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
We already put more people in jail than China

We can thank the last Democratic Presidential nominee and the future Democratic Presidential nominee for that.

But still loved and adored by millions of Useful Idiot LibDerps.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 12:16:07 PM
Getting lined up and shot with an AK 47 is bad.

The irony
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 12:29:25 PM
I vote to be more like China, very authoritarian, throw a lot more people in jail, more capital punishment buses (or just lined up and shot with an AK 47) etc. etc.

Let's out the rubes on this website that have suggested that.  You and me, as a team.  Like Dennis the Menace (me) and his ancient neighbor (you).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: meow meow on August 07, 2019, 12:41:06 PM
lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 07, 2019, 12:41:57 PM
https://codepen.io/cassidoo/full/voddNg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 01:29:26 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
I vote to be more like China, very authoritarian, throw a lot more people in jail, more capital punishment buses (or just lined up and shot with an AK 47) etc. etc.

Let's out the rubes on this website that have suggested that.  You and me, as a team.  Like Dennis the Menace (me) and his ancient neighbor (you).

Did I say someone on here said that?


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 02:59:57 PM
FBI says Dayton shooter obsessed with violence.   It's quite obvious why he paid a lot of attention to AntiFa and was probably emboldened by the violent and dangerous rhetoric of the American Political Left.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 03:10:13 PM
That’s awful.

What do we know about the El Paso shooter?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 03:18:10 PM
That’s awful.

What do we know about the El Paso shooter?

Probably driven by the meltdown of the president calling and invasion an invasion.   But in LibDerp World people by the hundreds of thousands crossing a border illegally is not an invasion.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: meow meow on August 07, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
sounds justified
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
sounds justified

Not really.

Just hate to see all this vitriol from the American Political Left driving crazy people to do crazy things.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 03:41:57 PM
Is dax really not familiar with the horseshoe theory ? 

The rest of us realize these wackadoos are the same but Mr division continues.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 07, 2019, 03:49:36 PM
That’s awful.

What do we know about the El Paso shooter?

If you libderps would just let the president do racism without objection then my pals and I wouldn't have to drive to Wal-Mart and shoot Mexicans.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2019, 03:55:34 PM
It really must be rough to spew a whole bunch of garbage out there constantly and then see a terrorist's manifesto completely mirroring the same garbage you've been making into talking points.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
Some day LibDerp Nation will own their dangerous rhetoric and how its driving people to kill.   

But now they just choose to use it to gain political capital and win elections.

Pathetic and sad. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
Some day LibDerp Nation will own their dangerous rhetoric and how its driving people to kill.   

But now they just choose to use it to gain political capital and win elections.

Pathetic and sad.

"Get in their faces" missed quote here dax. Worst of the worst over the past 3 years if you ask me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Some day LibDerp Nation will own their dangerous rhetoric and how its driving people to kill.   

But now they just choose to use it to gain political capital and win elections.

Pathetic and sad.

"Get in their faces" missed quote here dax. Worst of the worst over the past 3 years if you ask me.

Hopefully another Feel the Berner isn't currently stalking the Republican Congressional delegation ready to kill.

But Useful Idiot LibDerp Leadership has been all drama queen about needing protection of late. 



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Some day LibDerp Nation will own their dangerous rhetoric and how its driving people to kill.   

But now they just choose to use it to gain political capital and win elections.

Pathetic and sad.

"Get in their faces" missed quote here dax. Worst of the worst over the past 3 years if you ask me.

Hopefully another Feel the Berner isn't currently stalking the Republican Congressional delegation ready to kill.

But Useful Idiot LibDerp Leadership has been all drama queen about needing protection of late.

I hope no killers are out there stalking anybody but guess you are more concerned about what political the victims might be

Sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 05:00:10 PM
Some day LibDerp Nation will own their dangerous rhetoric and how its driving people to kill.   

But now they just choose to use it to gain political capital and win elections.

Pathetic and sad.

"Get in their faces" missed quote here dax. Worst of the worst over the past 3 years if you ask me.

Hopefully another Feel the Berner isn't currently stalking the Republican Congressional delegation ready to kill.

But Useful Idiot LibDerp Leadership has been all drama queen about needing protection of late.

I hope no killers are out there stalking anybody but guess you are more concerned about what political the victims might be

Sad.

Nah, just hoping that the dangerous rhetoric and perpetually enraged attack mode of Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation doesn't drive anymore unstable folks off the edge.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
I must admit the crazies on the left are much more easily provoked vs right crazies given the level of vitriol coming from Trump. It's only been a moderate uptick in their attacks.  Could easily be higher.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
The Left Crazies are triggered by people who want to give them everything for Free . . . well the say free intermixed with their dangerous rhetoric and vitriol towards anyone that disagrees with them. 

Imagine being told exactly what you want to hear:  Everything for free and hate all Republicans . . . and still wanting to shoot the place up.

SMDH

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 05:24:05 PM
Guys, I think I’ve discovered some pretty low hanging fruit to help the situation somewhat...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1159225224442855424


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 05:26:58 PM
At some point you've got to try and roll back Barry Obama's Surveillance Nation.

But you guys actually believed that Hope and Change stuff, while Barry put the Patriot Act on steroids (as he assassinated American Citizens)



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 07, 2019, 05:28:29 PM
With all the easily impressionable crazies out there (along with the unfettered access to guns), no wonder america has so many mass shootings.

That thing that dax and steve dave came up with where all ANTIFA'rs and everyone else have a tougher time getting guns with which to do bad things should be implemented right away.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
The FBI investigated the Parkland Shooter, what good did it do?

None

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 05:44:46 PM
Libs are  :curse: that Trump went to the hospital in Dayton.   They're more mad at Trump than they are about their dangerous and persistent rhetoric driving one of their own to kill.

That's truly sad.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on August 07, 2019, 05:57:15 PM
Libs are  :curse: that Trump went to the hospital in Dayton.   They're more mad at Trump than they are about their dangerous and persistent rhetoric driving one of their own to kill.

That's truly sad.

what is it about this presidency that has made you this insufferable?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
Libs are  :curse: that Trump went to the hospital in Dayton.   They're more mad at Trump than they are about their dangerous and persistent rhetoric driving one of their own to kill.

That's truly sad.

what is it about this presidency that has made you this insufferable?

Fascinating question in a era spanning 3 years where LibDerp Nation is more enraged than ever about everything (which is amazing in and of itself).

The sad part is, the rage hit all time peaks because a mega corrupt war monger didn't get elected president.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 07, 2019, 06:11:12 PM
Libs are  :curse: that Trump went to the hospital in Dayton.   They're more mad at Trump than they are about their dangerous and persistent rhetoric driving one of their own to kill.

That's truly sad.

what is it about this presidency that has made you this insufferable?

Fascinating question in a era spanning 3 years where LibDerp Nation is more enraged than ever about everything (which is amazing in and of itself).

The sad part is, the rage hit all time peaks because a mega corrupt war monger didn't get elected president.







Are we to keep guessing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 07:14:07 PM
Kind of a bummer seeing dax age and he sees another old like Trump gaslighting thinking it works on normal people so he keeps trying it in the pit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 07, 2019, 09:11:28 PM
I have no idea who that is.

He used to be a CNN contributor.

It's also pathetic seeing Beto trying to gain political traction on the El Paso tragedy.   Desperate times I suppose.

Dax at first I thought you had quoted and tweeted this, but NOPE. I can’t imagine how disgusted you feel about dear leader for trying to gain political traction from a tragedy.

https://twitter.com/charlesmblow/status/1159202386176610305
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
hell yeah, Rock Star trump!

https://twitter.com/Scavino45/status/1159170408894959616
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
100% on brand  :frown:

https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/1159285710656028674
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 07, 2019, 09:28:59 PM
It’s incredible how big of a POS he is.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 08, 2019, 12:18:36 AM
Libs are  :curse: that Trump went to the hospital in Dayton.   They're more mad at Trump than they are about their dangerous and persistent rhetoric driving one of their own to kill.

That's truly sad.

what is it about this presidency that has made you this insufferable?

He and the rest of the angry crackers were too stupid to remember how good they had it before 2008. They fell hook, line, and sinker for the make america good again bullshit. All they think about is the commie kenyan. Too wrapped up in the fact that a nog occupied the white house, to see that the whole trump act is self serving and their lives weren't effected at all by George Oclinton's 28 years in the white house.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2019, 07:05:55 AM
Just like millions of people actually believed the hope and change bullshit, while their guy did little to nothing to truly help minorities.  Their guy kept right on bombing brown people, starting new wars, sending sons and daughters off to die, wrecking nations, helping to bring the slave trade back to Africa, creating hundreds of thousands of brown people refugees and a power vacuum that emboldened a caliphate that killed and tortured thousands of brown people etc etc etc.

Yeah, it was “great”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 08, 2019, 07:12:23 AM
So that’s the difference.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2019, 08:45:33 PM
https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Off-duty-firefigher-stops-man-armed-with-100-rounds-of-ammunition-at-Springfield-Mo-Walmart-528789431.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on August 08, 2019, 08:51:37 PM
Definitely a LibDerp.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 08, 2019, 08:56:19 PM
Quote
Springfield Police Lt. Mike Lucas tells KY3 the man intended to cause chaos.

"His intent was not to cause peace or comfort. ...He's lucky he's alive still, to be honest," Lucas tells KY3.

LOL at luck.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
Looks like an infringement of his constitutional rights to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 09, 2019, 08:35:48 AM
I'm a dumb government guy I admit (thanks Trump for getting me interested) but has the one single leader of the Senate always had the singular power to decide what is voted on? That seems like a poor design.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
I'm a dumb government guy I admit (thanks Trump for getting me interested) but has the one single leader of the Senate always had the singular power to decide what is voted on? That seems like a poor design.

It's only set up this way so popular legislation that donors don't want to see passed won't get voted on. If enough other republicans wanted to vote on something, they could force the vote to happen. Mitch just serves as the scapegoat because he lives in Kentucky and has no desire get a higher office than senator.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 09:03:47 AM
Yup, working as intended. I don't really have a problem with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 09, 2019, 10:10:45 AM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1159672304542126082

They really milked this shooting for everything they could.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on August 09, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
Mr. Trump praised the medical officials treating the victims, telling them "they're talking about you all over the world." He then pivoted to boasting about the attendance at his February rally and mocking the relatively small size of the counter-rally held by O'Rourke.

"I was here three months ago," Mr. Trump said. "That place was packed ... That was some crowd. And we had twice the number outside. And then you had this crazy Beto. Beto had like 400 people in a parking lot, they said his crowd was wonderful."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 10:39:33 AM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1159672304542126082

They really milked this shooting for everything they could.

I have no idea who that is.

He used to be a CNN contributor.

It's also pathetic seeing Beto Trump trying to gain political traction on the El Paso tragedy.   Desperate times I suppose.

Yet another thing Dax would never say about dear leader but he’s more than happy bitching about someone else. Desperate times I suppose.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2019, 10:40:51 AM
yeah but that was different...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 10:47:37 AM
If trump actually cared, he'd give one interview and then tell them to turn the cameras off
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2019, 10:48:59 AM
If trump actually cared, he'd give one interview and then tell them to turn the cameras off

You mean he didn't do that?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2019, 10:51:51 AM
that photo (if tweet is accurate) is irl super sad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on August 09, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
A big crap eating grin combined with a thumbs up seems like a totally normal and appropriate response to the situation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on August 09, 2019, 11:20:59 AM
:frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 11:24:16 AM
Beto is a nobody trying to revive a dead campaign.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 11:40:14 AM
A nobody that should be held to an absurdly higher standard than the President of the United States. Incredible perspective and view, old man.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 11:53:40 AM
A nobody that should be held to an absurdly higher standard than the President of the United States. Incredible perspective and view, old man.

Only the dumbest of the dumb actually believe any of these politicians are being genuine, and of all of them the most disingenuous one is Beto, I couldn't care less if it's his home town, he's out there in front of the cameras for one reason and one reason only, and that's to try and revive his failed campaign.   He holds no office.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on August 09, 2019, 12:10:36 PM
 :Ugh:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
A nobody that should be held to an absurdly higher standard than the President of the United States. Incredible perspective and view, old man.

Only the dumbest of the dumb actually believe any of these politicians are being genuine, and of all of them the most disingenuous one is Beto, I couldn't care less if it's his home town, he's out there in front of the cameras for one reason and one reason only, and that's to try and revive his failed campaign.   He holds no office.

Yeah the one who holds the highest office is creating political ads from a tragedy and parading around a orphan baby who’s parents were just murder by a guy acting on what trump believes. Beto is definitely in the wrong here and Trump is just doing what any good president would do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 12:27:24 PM
Political ads?

Yes Dummy, presidents never go on these kinds of visits, just Trump.   Beto shows up for one thing and one thing only, trying to save his worthless presidential campaign. 

The left never immediately attempts to politicize these things  :lol: . . . unless of course it's one of their crazed lunatics out there doing the shooting, well, they'll still try and turn that back on Republicans.

I invite you to stand with me and to call out the hateful and dangerous rhetoric of the American Political Left.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
"The left" makes me miss ksuw  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 12:44:31 PM
Why does that word bother you so much, Mocat? I’ve seen it trigger you many times.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 09, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
Political ads?

Yes Dummy, presidents never go on these kinds of visits, just Trump.   Beto shows up for one thing and one thing only, trying to save his worthless presidential campaign. 

The left never immediately attempts to politicize these things  :lol: . . . unless of course it's one of their crazed lunatics out there doing the shooting, well, they'll still try and turn that back on Republicans.

I invite you to stand with me and to call out the hateful and dangerous rhetoric of the American Political Left.

I stand with you Dax  :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
Oh no


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 09, 2019, 12:54:10 PM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1159672304542126082

https://twitter.com/PoodleMama1966/status/759613555825975296
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on August 09, 2019, 12:59:33 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 09, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
https://twitter.com/4evernevertrump/status/1159827896015323138?s=21

https://twitter.com/lmplusg/status/1159260810482315265?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
Don't talk to anyone unless we say so (Perpetually enraged LibDerp Nation)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2019, 05:01:07 PM
Don't talk to anyone unless we say so (Perpetually enraged LibDerp Nation)

Lmao
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
But seriously Beto you shouldn’t


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 05:02:45 PM
https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1159105447455907841?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 05:03:31 PM
But seriously Beto you shouldn’t


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I didn't say Beto couldn't talk anyone, dummy.   I'm just making fun of the fact that you idiots think it was genuine.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2019, 05:23:14 PM
I know it was genuine. Not everyone is Donald Trump dax.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2019, 05:40:22 PM
Dax got out from underneath the basket pretty damn quick
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 05:43:25 PM
I know it was genuine. Not everyone is Donald Trump dax.


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I'll just remember that you thought the presidency of a guy who killed thousands upon thousands of brown people and made hundreds of thousands of brown people refugees was, and I quote, "stellar".

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 05:47:26 PM
There is nothing on earth Trump could do that Dax wouldn’t run to defend him over. It’s truly sad and pathetic.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2019, 05:49:35 PM
It’s not.  It’s funny af.  It’s only thing keeping the pit going.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 05:51:45 PM
There is nothing on earth Trump could do that Dax wouldn’t run to defend him over. It’s truly sad and pathetic.

I've called Trump out on the budget, on the spending among many things.   You're just so  :curse: :curse: :curse: all the time, on top of being dumb, you just don't see it.

You know in the back of that dumb little head of yours that you don't hold your own party and its leadership to the same standard.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
Ftr are you critical of Beto for the photo op still or have you walked it back bevause trump did it even more?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 05:56:02 PM
There is nothing on earth Trump could do that Dax wouldn’t run to defend him over. It’s truly sad and pathetic.

I've called Trump out on the budget, on the spending among many things.   You're just so  :curse: :curse: :curse: all the time, on top of being dumb, you just don't see it.

You know in the back of that dumb little head of yours that you don't hold your own party and its leadership to the same standard.   

Wow that took some guts. Parading around orphan babies who’s parents were just murdered is for sure off limits then.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 05:57:37 PM
There is nothing on earth Trump could do that Dax wouldn’t run to defend him over. It’s truly sad and pathetic.

I've called Trump out on the budget, on the spending among many things.   You're just so  :curse: :curse: :curse: all the time, on top of being dumb, you just don't see it.

You know in the back of that dumb little head of yours that you don't hold your own party and its leadership to the same standard.   

Wow that took some guts. Parading around orphan babies who’s parents were just murdered is for sure off limits then.

Yet you loved a president who at times wouldn't even acknowledge terrible events out of fear of offending someone or in some cases because the incorrect color of skin was involved.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on August 09, 2019, 06:44:19 PM
Is this related to wacky's "Obama was the most racist president" angle?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2019, 07:56:13 PM
nice work by the FBI here.

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1159990324640378880

shall not be infringed, etc.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtETyFXVIAAkewY.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2019, 08:03:18 PM
we can just sell 30-50 feral hogs death dealing machines to anybody who wants one. I've yet to hear anyone explain why this is good.


https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1159966920658976768
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Those gafas are tactical af
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 09:14:30 PM
Is this related to wacky's "Obama was the most racist president" angle?
wtf are you even talking about, weirdo?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
Wherever you felt I touched you inappropriately @Chingon, please let me know. Just because you dislike said poster doesn’t mean you have to make up crap in your head about me to feel better about yourself. Have a great night, bud!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
Whenever wacky uses "said" like that I sit up straight and grab the phone with both hands bc I know I'm in for a wild ride
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 09:21:57 PM
I like this new take-the-high-road 420seriouscat69
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 09:23:55 PM
Whenever wacky uses "said" like that I sit up straight and grab the phone with both hands bc I know I'm in for a wild ride
I bet, bud.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 12:36:37 AM
In spite of the tragedy in El Paso, the people of Mexico can take respite in knowing that if they come to the United States, they'll be in a country with a homicide rate that's 1/5th of that of Mexico per 100K people.

Yet, LibDerp Leadership and their marching LibDerp Jackboots want the crime of Mexico in the United States, by aiding and abetting the drug cartels and human/sex traffickers.

SMDH, a shame.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: treysolid on August 10, 2019, 01:08:30 AM
In spite of the tragedy in El Paso, the people of Mexico can take respite in knowing that if they come to the United States, they'll be in a country with a homicide rate that's 1/5th of that of Mexico per 100K people.

Yet, LibDerp Leadership and their marching LibDerp Jackboots want the crime of Mexico in the United States, by aiding and abetting the drug cartels and human/sex traffickers.

SMDH, a shame.

How many Mexicans in Mexico are being murdered just for being Mexican?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 10, 2019, 03:26:18 AM
we can just sell 30-50 feral hogs death dealing machines to anybody who wants one. I've yet to hear anyone explain why this is good.


https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1159966920658976768
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That mirror is appalling. Wipe that crap down.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 08:00:09 AM
In spite of the tragedy in El Paso, the people of Mexico can take respite in knowing that if they come to the United States, they'll be in a country with a homicide rate that's 1/5th of that of Mexico per 100K people.

Yet, LibDerp Leadership and their marching LibDerp Jackboots want the crime of Mexico in the United States, by aiding and abetting the drug cartels and human/sex traffickers.

SMDH, a shame.

How many Mexicans in Mexico are being murdered just for being Mexican?

Based on how upset Mexican citizens were about the Guatemalans and Honduran “refugees” filling up their streets.  That left little doubt in my mind that there’s no racism in Mexico.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2019, 09:24:55 PM
In his 2,300-word manifesto, the gunman who killed 22 people in El Paso earlier this month laid out his views on many topics including the environment, corporations, economics, automation and, most forcefully, the “invaders” who arrive in the United States from other countries. Speaking of Democrats, he wrote, “They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.”

Dax what does your manifesto look like?

Is it a standalone piece or just a cobbled together collection of message board posts?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 12, 2019, 09:53:05 PM

Dad what does your manifesto look like?

Is it a standalone piece or just a cobbled together collection of message board posts?

gE holds these exclusive publishing rights.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2019, 10:09:40 PM
In his 2,300-word manifesto, the gunman who killed 22 people in El Paso earlier this month laid out his views on many topics including the environment, corporations, economics, automation and, most forcefully, the “invaders” who arrive in the United States from other countries. Speaking of Democrats, he wrote, “They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.”

Dad what does your manifesto look like?

Is it a standalone piece or just a cobbled together collection of message board posts?

Given the fact that LibDerp Leadership has done a complete 180 on immigration since Trump was elected the dude has a pretty good point.

Your leadership used to talk all kinds of bad ass stuff about stopping those damn illegals and how those damn people just couldn't expect to hop across a river and stay in the United States . . . then it all changed in January 2017.'

LibDerp Nation:  Caring about immigrants since January 2017




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 13, 2019, 08:06:33 AM
When you find yourself saying that a deranged shooter made some good points in his manifesto, maybe it's time to get counseling or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 13, 2019, 08:25:51 AM
When you find yourself saying that a deranged shooter made some good points in his manifesto, maybe it's time to get counseling or something.

I’m not saying he made good points, you are because you did a complete 180! Just admit it you didn’t start caring about mass shootings until January 2017.

- Dax
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2019, 09:30:47 AM
You guys love a guy who ordered bombings that killed thousands of people while giving no reason whatsoever as to why it needed to happen to begin with. 

You buy his books, watch his stupid TV shows, and think his time as the President was "stellar".   

LibDerp Nation:  Caring about immigrants since January 2017

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 13, 2019, 10:11:55 AM
What TV shows?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 13, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
Dax, who do you think is the best president of the last 40ish years? I would love a dax traject-o-meter ranking of Reagan on
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 13, 2019, 11:37:18 AM
I never watched his tv shows
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: brandochav on August 13, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
In spite of the tragedy in El Paso, the people of Mexico can take respite in knowing that if they come to the United States, they'll be in a country with a homicide rate that's 1/5th of that of Mexico per 100K people.

Yet, LibDerp Leadership and their marching LibDerp Jackboots want the crime of Mexico in the United States, by aiding and abetting the drug cartels and human/sex traffickers.

SMDH, a shame.

In your attempt to cognitively fight Jackboots you have become one of their biggest supporters. Divisiveness and one-party ideologies are what these regimes are built on. The truth is you have more in common with your average "LibDerp" then your own leadership. Contrary to what others may think, the opposite is also true...the "LibDerps" have more in common with you, then they do their leadership. We must remember this and be the leadership that unites us under genuine interests. What are those interests? Let's talk about them more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on August 13, 2019, 12:33:12 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on August 13, 2019, 01:06:34 PM
Near miss. KCK guy tells hotel he killed his wife and is going to go shoot up the outlet mall. Complete with rifle.

Kckpd got him before he could do anything
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 13, 2019, 01:30:29 PM
the dude has a pretty good point.

Quote from: dax schott
He went nuts, he went berserk. Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 13, 2019, 01:34:15 PM
I read his manifesto and he makes some solid points
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 14, 2019, 11:12:23 AM
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2019/08/ohio-man-posted-about-mass-shootings-attacking-planned-parenthood-and-federal-agents-authorities-say.html (https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2019/08/ohio-man-posted-about-mass-shootings-attacking-planned-parenthood-and-federal-agents-authorities-say.html)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 11:18:51 AM
MAGA thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 02:34:02 PM
Everyone who does crazy stuff at some point in their lives never had a salient and relevant thought prior to their crazy act(s) (LibDerp Nation in this case LibDerp Logic)



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 02:40:51 PM
I came for the defending drum clips, but I stayed for defending little maga shooter's manifestos
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 03:16:17 PM
I came for the defending drum clips, but I stayed for defending little maga shooter's manifestos

I'm defending a manifesto or a thought?  Probably a pretty tough question for you Slow Dug, so you can just pass.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 14, 2019, 03:19:14 PM
I came for the defending drum clips, but I stayed for defending little maga shooter's manifestos

I'm defending a manifesto or a thought?  Probably a pretty tough question for you Slow Dug, so you can just pass.

omg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on August 14, 2019, 03:21:36 PM
It really shouldn't be a surprise that dax agrees with MAGA mass shooters. His posts on here are basically his own manifesto. He probably needs professional help, but what are we supposed to do?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on August 14, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
Come on guys, dax isn't defending the entire school shooter's manifesto, just parts of it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
Well now know whose ancestors warmed themselves by the piles of burning books.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on August 14, 2019, 03:40:20 PM
An idea or thought is not discredited simply by way of inclusion in a deranged killer's manifesto.  There are enough problems with dax's political views, no need to resort to poor logic.

Refute the idea on the merits, rather than who is associated with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 03:41:18 PM
sonofdaxgodwin
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 14, 2019, 06:14:07 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1161775801156739072


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 14, 2019, 06:15:00 PM
There’s nothing we can do screams the ridiculously vocal minority of red necks


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 14, 2019, 07:52:19 PM
It really shouldn't be a surprise that dax agrees with MAGA mass shooters. His posts on here are basically his own manifesto. He probably needs professional help, but what are we supposed to do?

No surprise that a guy who is probably a little bit of an IRL white supremacist agrees with the manifestos and motivations of white supremacists.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2019, 04:44:07 PM
Skinny Benny just never seems to have any new material.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 17, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
"a little bit".  pfft.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 18, 2019, 12:43:31 PM
MAGA

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-white-nationalist-anti-semite-arrested-threatening-shoot/story?id=65040200&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_card_hed


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 18, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Skinny Benny just never seems to have any new material.

Tell us more about Hillary
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 18, 2019, 01:53:47 PM
MAGA

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-white-nationalist-anti-semite-arrested-threatening-shoot/story?id=65040200&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_card_hed


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Maga
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 19, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
The most dangerous and divisive political movement in the world strikes again:

https://twitter.com/MarkMaxwellTV/status/1162782536248057856
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on August 19, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
Lol, good grief dax lmao
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 19, 2019, 02:32:31 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 19, 2019, 02:39:37 PM
Guns are bad . . . unless they're killing Republicans (Violent LIbDerp Nation)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on August 19, 2019, 02:42:06 PM
i will bravely stand with you in support of a measure to ban fake assault rifles
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 19, 2019, 02:48:34 PM
Same


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 19, 2019, 02:51:25 PM
Just yucking it up with fake assassinations . . .

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: The1BigWillie on August 19, 2019, 03:05:24 PM
I would be REALLY interested in reading how Red Flag laws work and how they are enforced.  Seems very  :bawl: :shakesfist: :curse:   :Carl: :Wha:  :Jail:  :bigtoke:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 19, 2019, 03:39:48 PM
I would be REALLY interested in reading how Red Flag laws work and how they are enforced.  Seems very  :bawl: :shakesfist: :curse:   :Carl: :Wha:  :Jail:  :bigtoke:

Trump is very in favor
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 19, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
No fake assault rifles for ANTIFA or anyone else.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 19, 2019, 03:47:20 PM
No fake assault rifles for ANTIFA or anyone else.

This could work
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on August 19, 2019, 04:04:04 PM
I'm tempted to ban fake Thor hammers and Captain America shields too based on what I've seen the real ones do in commercials for the movies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 20, 2019, 03:11:09 PM
unsure how much to enjoy the replies to this tweet

https://twitter.com/LSU/status/1163902191687483393?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 11:06:24 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1164659096097832960

We're really rough ridin' stupid
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on September 01, 2019, 11:26:44 AM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1168181524270899200
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on September 10, 2019, 08:38:16 AM
https://twitter.com/sabrinasingh24/status/1171414929204744196


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on September 10, 2019, 08:54:30 AM
Too reasonable
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on September 10, 2019, 09:06:51 AM
Should be 18
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on September 10, 2019, 09:30:14 AM
Should be 18

I agree with that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 11, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on September 11, 2019, 12:47:56 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/

Okay?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/

This is probably the best way to get gun restrictions passed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on September 11, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
Pretty good article about how bad the nra is
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on September 11, 2019, 01:29:00 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/

This is probably the best way to get gun restrictions passed.

You'd enjoy the latest Dave Chappelle special.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/

Quote
NAAGA promotes the Second Amendment and social justice. But Smith said he's aware of the dangers of being black and legally armed in America. He pointed to the Philando Castile case in Minnesota, in which Castile, who was licensed to carry a gun, was shot and killed by a police officer during a 2016 traffic stop.
NAAGA immediately condemned the shooting. Smith pointed out that other prominent gun rights groups, like the NRA, did not.

My NAAGAs
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/52e409b77c8680bb4f46672a77cc019e/tenor.gif?itemid=6174150)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 11, 2019, 02:59:13 PM
Quite a pickle for LibDerp Nation.

FYI this Fascist is for tighter restrictions on guns . . . which if you think about it, is kind of a fascist thing,  so . . .
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on September 11, 2019, 03:19:49 PM
My NAAGAs


That had to be intentional on their part, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2019, 03:37:45 PM
Quite a pickle for LibDerp Nation.

FYI this Fascist is for tighter restrictions on guns . . . which if you think about it, is kind of a fascist thing,  so . . .

No it isn't
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on September 11, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
What is the pickle?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on September 11, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
LibDerp caring about pickles since January 2017
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: meow meow on September 12, 2019, 08:49:44 AM
sad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 18, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
https://twitter.com/fly_malcolm_x/status/1174311990275321861?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 18, 2019, 10:20:45 PM
As chilling as that is it won't change any gun nuts mind, which is absolutely insane.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 06, 2019, 06:40:23 AM
God damnit. Everyone ok?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2019, 10:42:41 AM
What happened?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 06, 2019, 10:49:03 AM
This has way more detail than when I originally saw it this morning.

https://twitter.com/ellemoxley/status/1180825162897334273
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2019, 11:18:27 PM
How have they not caught these dudes yet? They were hanging out in the bar, got into a fight, came back, and they're on camera.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 07, 2019, 09:20:20 AM
Caught one so far.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 09, 2019, 11:24:26 AM
https://twitter.com/Rita_Katz/status/1181964825171255297?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 09, 2019, 11:26:17 AM
also belongs in MAGA thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2019, 12:08:11 PM
Super MAGA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 19, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
Thankfully this had a happy ending and nobody was hurt. Coach Lowe is a hero and should be getting a lot more attention than he has.


https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/watch-parkrose-coach-keanon-lowe-disarms-student/


https://twitter.com/dantilkinkoin6/status/1185350249356771329
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 19, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
A good guy with a gun!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
A good guy with a gun!


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the football coach did not have a gun but he sure as crap infringed on that kid's second amendment rights. The kid hadn't even shot anyone!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 19, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
Way to stand your ground angel you idiot
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 14, 2019, 10:24:06 AM
Active shooter in school in Santa Clarita, CA right now.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/santa-clarita-school-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on November 15, 2019, 03:16:27 AM
Thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 26, 2019, 10:54:13 AM
feral hog guy is doubling down

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158099893615026177

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158087296681480193

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158100627462995968

Egg on steve dave's face.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wild-hogs-kill-woman-attack-outside-texas-home-sheriff-says-n1091216
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2019, 10:56:36 AM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on November 26, 2019, 12:50:22 PM
:runaway:

Did something happen?  Don't see anything on my news feed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
:runaway:

Did something happen?  Don't see anything on my news feed

That was in response to the feral hogs thing that Institutional Control posted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2019, 10:49:30 AM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1200456283213709314


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2019, 02:27:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1200456283213709314


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My favorite thing is when something like this happens and gun extremists try to act like this is a win without taking into account the number of people actually killed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2019, 02:55:26 PM
iirc one time someone on here posted about how a guy went on a knife rampage in a Chinese school and injured dozens of children attempting to make that exact point.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2019, 09:23:41 AM
Holy crap, right on queue


https://twitter.com/davidwohl/status/1200473555365810176


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on November 30, 2019, 02:12:53 PM
The people of London will be fine as long as narwhal tusks can be legally possessed.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/london-bridge-narwhal-tusk-chef (https://www.foxnews.com/world/london-bridge-narwhal-tusk-chef)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 06, 2019, 02:06:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1203037088196825088?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
he's bowing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on December 16, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
https://twitter.com/suekroll/status/1206741172280078336

I've been critical on this board about our government barring federal funding for research on gun safety research. Glad to see it should finally happen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 30, 2019, 04:37:56 PM
feral hog guy is doubling down

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158099893615026177

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158087296681480193

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158100627462995968

Egg on steve dave's face.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wild-hogs-kill-woman-attack-outside-texas-home-sheriff-says-n1091216

https://twitter.com/mgnkngsbry/status/1211368620858707972
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 02, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
https://twitter.com/abc/status/1224035666222338054


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on April 13, 2020, 12:31:12 PM
have not fact checked this but geesh

https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1249716012599083010?s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 01, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
Good job Canada


https://twitter.com/breakingnews/status/1256278631455875072


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 01, 2020, 01:32:34 PM
Will be an interesting case study.  Now we can see if mass shootings decrease and if the government attempts to impose martial law now that its citizens don't have assault weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 02:46:33 PM
Double barrel side-by-side upland bird gun . . . assault style weapon.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 01, 2020, 05:21:44 PM
eff’em, ban’em.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on July 05, 2020, 12:38:53 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/

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NAAGA promotes the Second Amendment and social justice. But Smith said he's aware of the dangers of being black and legally armed in America. He pointed to the Philando Castile case in Minnesota, in which Castile, who was licensed to carry a gun, was shot and killed by a police officer during a 2016 traffic stop.
NAAGA immediately condemned the shooting. Smith pointed out that other prominent gun rights groups, like the NRA, did not.

My NAAGAs
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/52e409b77c8680bb4f46672a77cc019e/tenor.gif?itemid=6174150)

NAAGA is here for it
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1279563655307071488
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559841/Black-militia-members-brandish-guns-demanding-charges-against-cops-linked-Breonna-Taylors-death.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on July 26, 2020, 05:28:01 PM
"face off..." Ha. Idiots were mustering six blocks from the protest area when dipshit shot his buddies.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2020, 06:31:45 AM
Generally surprised by the lack of calls for immediate arrest and the requisite CoronaShaming for gathering in large groups.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on July 27, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
Protesters are immune. Duh.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2020, 07:19:28 AM


https://twitter.com/AuroraPD/status/1287203349465460736?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on July 27, 2020, 01:11:43 PM


https://twitter.com/AuroraPD/status/1287203349465460736?s=20

The video of this was nuts. Obviously whomever shot at the car should be arrested, but "driving through the crowd" was a very inadequate descriptor of what happened there. The driver was playing out an episode in Grand Theft Auto. It's miraculous that a mass murder didn't happen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on July 27, 2020, 01:18:07 PM
I really don't want to link this account, but it's the only overhead video I can find on twitter.
https://twitter.com/de_dust2Blepe/status/1287198079238778880
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ThegirlMelanie/status/1297904660142075907
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 23, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
Does SOnic shooting fit itt?  Sapry county T&Ps
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2020, 11:06:50 PM
That dude seemed like he was a super incel, with money problems apparently.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 15, 2021, 03:57:30 PM
https://twitter.com/mohanadelshieky/status/1350193786606006273
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 15, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
they will just all get tazers now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 15, 2021, 05:00:16 PM
NTA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: passranch on January 15, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
YOU CAN HAVE MY TAZER WHEN YOU UNFUSE IT FROM MY DEAD, CRISPY SCROTE!!!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on March 16, 2021, 08:40:09 PM
Not a school but can probably xpost with MAGA

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1371982278323273731

jfc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 16, 2021, 09:24:31 PM
https://twitter.com/ajc/status/1371990042403540996


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on March 17, 2021, 10:41:28 AM
Did he think he was fighting the "china virus"?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 17, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
horrible. absolutely senseless and disgusting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2021, 11:58:44 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1372214481699315713
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2021, 12:31:47 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamWeinstein/status/1372181084138573826
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 17, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
I'm not very good with words but should we change the title of this tread to something like "Americans slaughtering large groups of Americans with guns including but by no means limited to mass slaughter in educational settings"??
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 17, 2021, 02:02:42 PM
Awful
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1372214481699315713

If this is true, think of what a 7-day waiting period could have done for this guy since he was just having a bad day.  Maybe it wouldn't have changed a thing.  Seems like it's worth seeing if a waiting period would work, though.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
Dude hated himself.

But the narrative of him hating Asians is a much better seller.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
 :lol: the only thing we actually know about this dude is that he purchased a gun and indiscriminately killed a bunch of Asian women, however dakkk is already absolutely lock stock sold that he didn't have a problem with Asians, just sex. Dakkk also sees no issue with equating all massage parlors run by Asians as fronts for sexual activity, but not spas run by white women.

This idiot klansman constantly tells on himself but cries like a little bitch whenever someone takes him at his racist word. Can we get a combo of :cry: and :opcat: and call it :dakkk:
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2021, 12:14:34 PM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2021, 12:40:06 PM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU

What the eff does that have to do with anything at all? I would never even hint that only white people commit hate crimes. Yes, black people have committed hate crimes against Asians, I have no idea what that has to do with you and this murderer and whatever idiot public defender who put the idea in his head equating massage businesses owned by Asians with the sex industry.

I have no idea if race was the sole or even prevailing motivating factor in these heinous acts, didn't say that it was, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility like you did.

Keep lashing out and having temper tantrums, it doesn't change your buck ass naked stereotyping and bigotry, it's right there for all of us to see. "I'm not racist, you are" doesn't land outside of stormfront.org. Maybe go back there and workshop some more material before you come back and try not to make it so easy to use your own words to show that you are an unabashed racist.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2021, 12:44:28 PM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU

What the eff does that have to do with anything at all? I would never even hint that only white people commit hate crimes. Yes, black people have committed hate crimes against Asians, I have no idea what that has to do with you and this murderer and whatever idiot public defender who put the idea in his head equating massage businesses owned by Asians with the sex industry.

I have no idea if race was the sole or even prevailing motivating factor in these heinous acts, didn't say that it was, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility like you did.

Keep lashing out and having temper tantrums, it doesn't change your buck ass naked stereotyping and bigotry, it's right there for all of us to see. "I'm not racist, you are" doesn't land outside of stormfront.org. Maybe go back there and workshop some more material before you come back and try not to make it so easy to use your own words to show that you are an unabashed racist.
The only person lashing out is you.  Literally everything triggers your dumb ass.

The only racist on this board is you.  Everything starts and ends with race in your mumped up world.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2021, 12:51:29 PM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU

What the eff does that have to do with anything at all? I would never even hint that only white people commit hate crimes. Yes, black people have committed hate crimes against Asians, I have no idea what that has to do with you and this murderer and whatever idiot public defender who put the idea in his head equating massage businesses owned by Asians with the sex industry.

I have no idea if race was the sole or even prevailing motivating factor in these heinous acts, didn't say that it was, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility like you did.

Keep lashing out and having temper tantrums, it doesn't change your buck ass naked stereotyping and bigotry, it's right there for all of us to see. "I'm not racist, you are" doesn't land outside of stormfront.org. Maybe go back there and workshop some more material before you come back and try not to make it so easy to use your own words to show that you are an unabashed racist.
The only person lashing out is you.  Literally everything triggers your dumb ass.

The only racist on this board is you.  Everything starts and ends with race in your mumped up world.

Yes, it was me who equated asian owned spas with the sex industry and it was equally me who completely bought into the sorry ass excuse without knowing anything but the word of a captured murder.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2021, 12:52:34 PM
One good way to not bring something up is to specifically bring up what you aren’t going to bring up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 18, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
One good way to not bring something up is to specifically bring up what you aren’t going to bring up.
It's a really good sleight of hand. 

"Not to mention...[*mentions it*]"
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2021, 01:00:54 PM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU

What the eff does that have to do with anything at all? I would never even hint that only white people commit hate crimes. Yes, black people have committed hate crimes against Asians, I have no idea what that has to do with you and this murderer and whatever idiot public defender who put the idea in his head equating massage businesses owned by Asians with the sex industry.

I have no idea if race was the sole or even prevailing motivating factor in these heinous acts, didn't say that it was, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility like you did.

Keep lashing out and having temper tantrums, it doesn't change your buck ass naked stereotyping and bigotry, it's right there for all of us to see. "I'm not racist, you are" doesn't land outside of stormfront.org. Maybe go back there and workshop some more material before you come back and try not to make it so easy to use your own words to show that you are an unabashed racist.
The only person lashing out is you.  Literally everything triggers your dumb ass.

The only racist on this board is you.  Everything starts and ends with race in your mumped up world.

Yes, it was me who equated asian owned spas with the sex industry and it was equally me who completely bought into the sorry ass excuse without knowing anything but the word of a captured murder.
I was specifically speaking about the perp you dumbass.  You’re the one categorizing the victims and as always glomming on to the easiest and stupidest 1000% politically motivated narrative.  While for you it’s always about race, for you fellow idiots this is 1000% politics.  They give no fucks about the actual victims.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 11:28:26 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/misogyny-against-asian-women-atlanta-spa-shootings_n_6052478cc5b6264a8fb8e58b

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“I don’t care that the shooter told police his attack wasn’t ‘racially-motivated,’” tweeted feminist author Jessica Valenti. “The fetishization of Asian women is racist. Believing women are responsible & to blame for your sexual ‘temptations’ is misogynist. This was a racist misogynist crime.”

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A 2018 report from the American Psychological Association detailed how Asian American women are objectified and hypersexualized in media and popular culture, depicted as “faceless, quiet and invisible, or as sexual objects.” These stereotypes, the researchers gathered, contribute to experiences of marginalization, invisibility and oppression.

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“The fact that the perception of Asian women as sex objects isn’t seen as racism is exactly why incidents like the shooting in Georgia aren’t seen as hate crimes,” Liwag Dixon said.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2021, 12:00:11 PM
Yet in your 'brilliance' you continue to chose to aid and abet sex traffickers with your support of insane immigration policies.   The only thing missing today is protesting ICE as they are inside houses busting sex trafficking rings, well, at least in the cities were they're allowed to actually go after sex traffickers who are not being protected by lunatic local politicians of a political bent that you support. 

Also thanks for pointing out something that's been discussed in our society extensively over the last few years, and beyond relative to the abuse of likely undocumented Asian women.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2021, 12:06:54 PM
Heaven forbid anyone unjustly call a mass murderer racist while attempting to amplify a current trend in racial violence. So grateful there are people willing to stick up for the mass murderers of the world here.

That particular dude is absolutely racist, though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2021, 12:14:39 PM
Heaven forbid anyone unjustly call a mass murderer racist while attempting to amplify a current trend in racial violence. So grateful there are people willing to stick up for the mass murderers of the world here.

That particular dude is absolutely racist, though.

The unilateral and proactive labeling of a murderer as a 'white supremacist' serves nothing but a political aim.

Simpletons don't understand that.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2021, 12:49:58 PM
I enjoyed dakkk lecturing on how no one really cares about the victims and is just using them for political gain and then immediately pivoting into his blatantly political ICE sex trafficking crusaders fallback.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2021, 01:26:45 PM
Maga thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 10:18:45 PM
Heaven forbid anyone unjustly call a mass murderer racist while attempting to amplify a current trend in racial violence. So grateful there are people willing to stick up for the mass murderers of the world here.

That particular dude is absolutely racist, though.

Dax continues to lecture us about mentioning white supremacy and racism when it comes to this guy but the fact is it wasn't mentioned here until this post.

Dude hated himself.

But the narrative of him hating Asians is a much better seller.

He came in here to pump the narrative that he knows race wasn't a motivating factor, again when it wasn't being discussed. The response is how in the hell do you know that, then he went ape crap calling names and telling everyone else that it was us who labeled him a racist.

The unprompted defense of this guys motives and continually digging in of heels and not leaving it alone is the very definition of the idiom "hit dog gonna holler."

Is this one of those "he's not one of us," as in a white supremacist thing or is it so we don't talk about this dude walking into a store, buying a gun, then immediately committing mass murder? Probably both.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2021, 11:04:08 PM
That from the dude who literally gets triggered by everything from sitcoms on up and down.

Classic and on brand.

On top of the same corn ass hit dog schtick
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2021, 11:06:05 PM
I enjoyed dakkk lecturing on how no one really cares about the victims and is just using them for political gain and then immediately pivoting into his blatantly political ICE sex trafficking crusaders fallback.
The only thing blatantly political is the absolute fact that your movement openly protects and enables the worst people in the world.

If that’s political I’m good with you finally admitting to that reality.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2021, 07:43:57 AM
Perpetual outrage clickbait dummies like several on here continually allow themselves to be manipulated by editing, headlines and the words of lunatic conspiracy oriented #blueanon thought leaders.   Intellectually incapable of understanding the full context of anything. 

https://reason.com/2021/03/19/aaron-robert-long-spa-killer-atlanta-jay-baker-cop-bad-day/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 22, 2021, 09:28:09 PM
:frown: Boulder
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2021, 09:51:25 PM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on March 22, 2021, 10:02:54 PM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU

What the eff does that have to do with anything at all? I would never even hint that only white people commit hate crimes. Yes, black people have committed hate crimes against Asians, I have no idea what that has to do with you and this murderer and whatever idiot public defender who put the idea in his head equating massage businesses owned by Asians with the sex industry.

I have no idea if race was the sole or even prevailing motivating factor in these heinous acts, didn't say that it was, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility like you did.

Keep lashing out and having temper tantrums, it doesn't change your buck ass naked stereotyping and bigotry, it's right there for all of us to see. "I'm not racist, you are" doesn't land outside of stormfront.org. Maybe go back there and workshop some more material before you come back and try not to make it so easy to use your own words to show that you are an unabashed racist.
You see, if any person of color commits a crime against another person of color then there is actually no hate crimes whatsoever.

Also no racism etc, the anti racists are the REAL racists etc etc etc


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on March 23, 2021, 07:48:33 AM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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2 mass shootings in one week, glad to see once we start to truly get back to normal, we truly get back to shooting each other again.

Just  :barf:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2021, 08:20:31 AM
The insufferable crap for brains that sadly continues to post on this board see’s the entire world only by the color of people’s skin and is utterly incapable of any discourse that deviates from a baseline beyond race.

In this instance I dare not even inject the clear and regularly and increasingly video documented acts of violence perpetrated by black people on Asians, and I haven’t brought it up because unlike the insufferable crap head who sadly continues to post here.  I see people, not skin color. 

Now if you need to tell yourself that this guy was solely motivated entirely by race then that would be 1000% on brand and wrong as always. 

So BAU

What the eff does that have to do with anything at all? I would never even hint that only white people commit hate crimes. Yes, black people have committed hate crimes against Asians, I have no idea what that has to do with you and this murderer and whatever idiot public defender who put the idea in his head equating massage businesses owned by Asians with the sex industry.

I have no idea if race was the sole or even prevailing motivating factor in these heinous acts, didn't say that it was, but I certainly am not going to dismiss the possibility like you did.

Keep lashing out and having temper tantrums, it doesn't change your buck ass naked stereotyping and bigotry, it's right there for all of us to see. "I'm not racist, you are" doesn't land outside of stormfront.org. Maybe go back there and workshop some more material before you come back and try not to make it so easy to use your own words to show that you are an unabashed racist.
You see, if any person of color commits a crime against another person of color then there is actually no hate crimes whatsoever.

Also no racism etc, the anti racists are the REAL racists etc etc etc


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Cire: Wrong as always

Stay in full lockstep with our dogma or you’re a racist (Triggered ProgFascists)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 23, 2021, 08:51:56 AM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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2 mass shootings in one week, glad to see once we start to truly get back to normal, we truly get back to shooting each other again.

Just  :barf:
Any word from the NRA on how close we are to the needed "Good guy with a gun" threshold that will stop mass slaughter in America?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 23, 2021, 09:07:46 AM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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2 mass shootings in one week, glad to see once we start to truly get back to normal, we truly get back to shooting each other again.

Just  :barf:
Any word from the NRA on how close we are to the needed "Good guy with a gun" threshold that will stop mass slaughter in America?

If you don't carry a gun in public you're relying on chance to get home alive. Odds are extremely high nothing happens but if it does you're only hope for survival is either the shooter doesn't target you or someone responsible is onsite and able to deal with them. Carrying doesn't mean you won't be a victim, just means you can't stop it if you are in this kind of circumstance. Why on earth anyone would want to be in a position where they can't protect their loved ones I'll never know. Completely foreign concept to me. Carry everywhere you go.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on March 23, 2021, 09:09:31 AM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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2 mass shootings in one week, glad to see once we start to truly get back to normal, we truly get back to shooting each other again.

Just  :barf:
Any word from the NRA on how close we are to the needed "Good guy with a gun" threshold that will stop mass slaughter in America?

They neatly bookended this with a tweet last week about Boulder striking down some AR-15 rule, and then followed it up with gun control was not the solution, so I call that pretty much in the vein we need.

Also good guy with gun was killed in this too, so, good guys with guns beware.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on March 23, 2021, 09:10:01 AM
Guys, you're all misunderstanding.  Dax isn't bringing up what he is posting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2021, 09:10:51 AM
cop got killed, guess there would be some debate on if he was a good guy with a gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on March 23, 2021, 09:12:03 AM
no they just released a "shall not be infringed" tweet
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 23, 2021, 09:23:50 AM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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2 mass shootings in one week, glad to see once we start to truly get back to normal, we truly get back to shooting each other again.

Just  :barf:
Any word from the NRA on how close we are to the needed "Good guy with a gun" threshold that will stop mass slaughter in America?

They neatly bookended this with a tweet last week about Boulder striking down some AR-15 rule, and then followed it up with gun control was not the solution, so I call that pretty much in the vein we need.

Also good guy with gun was killed in this too, so, good guys with guns beware.
Folks, I don't think a .380  with 6 rounds tucked into my pocket is going to be adequate to launch a counterattack against this level of bad guy with gun. Looks like good guys and good gals with guns will probably need to have body armor, military rifles and perhaps drive an APC if they want to have a reasonable expectation to make it home from a run to Dillons for frozen waffles without getting killed by a badguywithgun???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on March 23, 2021, 09:27:07 AM
Jesus, 10 dead :-(


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2 mass shootings in one week, glad to see once we start to truly get back to normal, we truly get back to shooting each other again.

Just  :barf:
Any word from the NRA on how close we are to the needed "Good guy with a gun" threshold that will stop mass slaughter in America?

They neatly bookended this with a tweet last week about Boulder striking down some AR-15 rule, and then followed it up with gun control was not the solution, so I call that pretty much in the vein we need.

Also good guy with gun was killed in this too, so, good guys with guns beware.
Folks, I don't think a .380  with 6 rounds tucked into my pocket is going to be adequate to launch a counterattack against this level of bad guy with gun. Looks like good guys and good gals with guns will probably need to have body armor, military rifles and perhaps drive an APC if they want to have a reasonable expectation to make it home from a run to Dillons for frozen waffles without getting killed by a badguywithgun???

My opening line is a suitcase nuke is the only thing going to make me feel safe and we can work are way down from there. Just hope I don't have a bad day mmmkay
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 23, 2021, 11:32:58 AM
:frown: Boulder
terrible.. are some seriously messed up people in this world
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstate4life on March 23, 2021, 11:48:59 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/boulder-colorado-cops-identify-king-soopers-supermarket-massacre-suspect-as-ahmad-alissa?ref=scroll

Seems to be several issues that need to be addressed here, including bullying, mental illness, and guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2021, 12:23:25 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/boulder-colorado-cops-identify-king-soopers-supermarket-massacre-suspect-as-ahmad-alissa?ref=scroll

Seems to be several issues that need to be addressed here, including bullying, mental illness, and guns.

all those things are important but only one of them can kill 10 people a pop without the others
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on March 23, 2021, 01:44:27 PM
I think it is pretty obvious that all cash register workers should be licensed and required to carry a fire arm while on duty. 

Also, we need something like sprinkler systems for all buildings, but with guns and bullets instead of sprinklers and water.  For the public safety.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2021, 02:28:55 PM
The most important thing is that there's no immediate knee jerk hyper reactionary-hyperpartisan political agendas coming into play regarding this person's motives.

Also, the word of the cops must be immediately doubted and scrutinized and then fully vetted with days upon days and millions upon millions of tweets about how the cops are actually covering for this latest guy, and probably handing notes to the defense so they can get him off on a technicality because cops, being cops are always trying to protect murderers.

Boulder cops should be forewarned that their words will be spliced, parsed and edited to fit a particular political narrative to be seized upon by the Twittersphere/headlines only crowd..

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on March 23, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
I think it is pretty obvious that all cash register workers should be licensed and required to carry a fire arm while on duty. 

Also, we need something like sprinkler systems for all buildings, but with guns and bullets instead of sprinklers and water.  For the public safety.
Good ideas here from my guy Casey.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2021, 02:37:11 PM
The most important thing is that there's no immediate knee jerk hyper reactionary-hyperpartisan political agendas coming into play regarding this person's motives.

Also, the word of the cops must be immediately doubted and scrutinized and then fully vetted with days upon days and millions upon millions of tweets about how the cops are actually covering for this latest guy, and probably handing notes to the defense so they can get him off on a technicality because cops, being cops are always trying to protect murderers.

Boulder cops should be forewarned that their words will be spliced, parsed and edited to fit a particular political narrative to be seized upon by the Twittersphere/headlines only crowd..

I'd be willing to bet every single dollar in the world that the words "he just had a bad day" will not come out of the mouths of any officer describing this incident. I'm also fairly certain that we won't find that the police spokesperson doesn't have a facebook post calling for a jihad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
The most important thing is that there's no immediate knee jerk hyper reactionary-hyperpartisan political agendas coming into play regarding this person's motives.

Also, the word of the cops must be immediately doubted and scrutinized and then fully vetted with days upon days and millions upon millions of tweets about how the cops are actually covering for this latest guy, and probably handing notes to the defense so they can get him off on a technicality because cops, being cops are always trying to protect murderers.

Boulder cops should be forewarned that their words will be spliced, parsed and edited to fit a particular political narrative to be seized upon by the Twittersphere/headlines only crowd..

I'd be willing to bet every single dollar in the world that the words "he just had a bad day" will come out of the mouths of any officer describing this incident. I'm also fairly certain that we won't find that the police spokesperson doesn't have a facebook post calling for a jihad.

I'm fairly certain that most people are intelligent enough to read the entirety of the transcript of press conferences and not just pick and choose certain things to be triggered over.

I've looked up and down the officers of the court listings and I'll be damned if I can find 'police spokesperson' in the judicial process of a court of law. 





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2021, 03:48:45 PM
The most important thing is that there's no immediate knee jerk hyper reactionary-hyperpartisan political agendas coming into play regarding this person's motives.

Also, the word of the cops must be immediately doubted and scrutinized and then fully vetted with days upon days and millions upon millions of tweets about how the cops are actually covering for this latest guy, and probably handing notes to the defense so they can get him off on a technicality because cops, being cops are always trying to protect murderers.

Boulder cops should be forewarned that their words will be spliced, parsed and edited to fit a particular political narrative to be seized upon by the Twittersphere/headlines only crowd..

I'd be willing to bet every single dollar in the world that the words "he just had a bad day" will come out of the mouths of any officer describing this incident. I'm also fairly certain that we won't find that the police spokesperson doesn't have a facebook post calling for a jihad.

I'm fairly certain that most people are intelligent enough to read the entirety of the transcript of press conferences and not just pick and choose certain things to be triggered over.

I've looked up and down the officers of the court listings and I'll be damned if I can find 'police spokesperson' in the judicial process of a court of law.

In a vacuum I did not have a problem with the spokesperson saying that because I just assumed that he was summarizing what the shooter said. Nevertheless, if you're a spox speaking about a mass shooting, your words in the first press conference post arrest should absolutely be dissected. It's literally his job to be crystal clear about what he is trying to communicate, he failed. I'll save my sympathy for the people he killed, and be grateful that he didn't carry out his plan to drive to Florida to find more totally, not at all race oriented, coincidentally asian owned spas to shoot up. Of course what's the case with you, you find some randos on the internet and get outraged about others outrage, because being mad and constantly victimized is fuel for you weirdos.

I did have a massive problem with him liking racist posts on facebook, but not surprised. Police departments are safe havens for people who think and act like you do. I'll pocket my shock and surprise for the first cop to aggressively attempt to break the thin, and white hooded, blue line.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 24, 2021, 07:24:53 AM
rough ridin' dems

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 24, 2021, 08:32:16 AM
I'm  :lol: at all the racism that's now partially being retracted and then reframed by #blueanon woke America.

Typical and yet still, sad.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on March 27, 2021, 01:31:45 PM
Link?


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 12, 2021, 04:12:59 PM
:-(

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1381705810691112967

Four days ago

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2021, 04:34:52 PM
Life is getting back to normal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 07, 2021, 03:52:45 PM
That’s not tactical AF

https://twitter.com/sarpy_scanner/status/1390764805678632961


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on May 07, 2021, 09:15:23 PM
That’s not tactical AF

https://twitter.com/sarpy_scanner/status/1390764805678632961


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I don't get why some dumb eff 21 yr. old man shooting himself in the shoulder has anything to do with a school shooting?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2021, 09:16:30 PM
It probably belongs in the responsible gun owner respects personal property thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 11, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html

bummer for wayne, the music has stopped
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
 :frown:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/27/us/winthrop-shooting-massachusetts.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on October 06, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Fire this bad boy back up :(

4 hurt in Arlington, but at least it seems like a fight leading to gunfire (still bad!) rather than a nutcase with a manifesto?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 06, 2021, 11:57:34 AM
Fire this bad boy back up :(

4 hurt in Arlington, but at least it seems like a fight leading to gunfire (still bad!) rather than a nutcase with a manifesto?

The shooter suspect escaped and is reportedly driving a 2018 Charger. If that bad boy's a Scat Pack, he's not getting caught.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2021, 02:08:53 PM
crap

https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1465773498731794437
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2021, 02:30:26 PM
Even with a full time officer there and still happened

https://twitter.com/k12ssdb/status/1465775622161158148
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 30, 2021, 02:45:46 PM
No bueno. Also not sure why the full time police officer is even brought up (deterrent maybe?) FT police officer at MHS west and east campus and this could very easily happen there as big as both of those schools are. senseless and sad though.. middle school through high school is the most imperative time parents know what is going on in their kids lives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 30, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Schools (middle and high schools especially) need to have mandatory therapy sessions for students.  If you can make a kid take P.E., you can make a kid take therapy once a week for 30min - 1hr.  I would hope something like this would prevent suicides, hate crimes, and mass shootings.  Needs to be normalized.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 30, 2021, 03:07:12 PM
Even with a full time officer there and still happened

https://twitter.com/k12ssdb/status/1465775622161158148
Just goes to show that all teachers need to be packing as well so they can quickly organize to launch a counter offensive against armed intruders.

A local MAGA type here in Smallville was running for our school board basically based on grievance about COVID restrictions in the schools. She posted a meme about how kids had not experience a "normal" school year for like two years. How is having second graders do "intruder drills" where they prepare for an armed psychopath to come in their school and slaughter them part of our "normal."

Edit: Mass shooting survivor Taylor says what I'm trying to say:

https://twitter.com/taylorsschumann/status/1465791756356702217?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 30, 2021, 03:09:20 PM
Schools (middle and high schools especially) need to have mandatory therapy sessions for students.  If you can make a kid take P.E., you can make a kid take therapy once a week for 30min - 1hr.  I would hope something like this would prevent suicides, hate crimes, and mass shootings.  Needs to be normalized.

The new push from conservatives for "parental control" is actually to reduce counseling services for students.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 30, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Schools (middle and high schools especially) need to have mandatory therapy sessions for students.  If you can make a kid take P.E., you can make a kid take therapy once a week for 30min - 1hr.  I would hope something like this would prevent suicides, hate crimes, and mass shootings.  Needs to be normalized.

The new push from conservatives for "parental control" is actually to reduce counseling services for students.

I don't get this.  I've seen kids and adults benefit so much from counseling services.  A couple of my customers are mental health organizations, and I'm always in awe with the work they do. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 30, 2021, 03:28:37 PM
Schools (middle and high schools especially) need to have mandatory therapy sessions for students.  If you can make a kid take P.E., you can make a kid take therapy once a week for 30min - 1hr.  I would hope something like this would prevent suicides, hate crimes, and mass shootings.  Needs to be normalized.

The new push from conservatives for "parental control" is actually to reduce counseling services for students.

I don't get this.  I've seen kids and adults benefit so much from counseling services.  A couple of my customers are mental health organizations, and I'm always in awe with the work they do.

They think it's a gateway to CRT or something.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2021, 04:29:17 PM
Schools (middle and high schools especially) need to have mandatory therapy sessions for students.  If you can make a kid take P.E., you can make a kid take therapy once a week for 30min - 1hr.  I would hope something like this would prevent suicides, hate crimes, and mass shootings.  Needs to be normalized.

The new push from conservatives for "parental control" is actually to reduce counseling services for students.

I don't get this.  I've seen kids and adults benefit so much from counseling services.  A couple of my customers are mental health organizations, and I'm always in awe with the work they do.

They think it's a gateway to CRT or something.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991

wtf is "going to cotillion"?

Quote
“Some of these kids, they’re just trying to get through the day, get through compacted math, get through algebra, go to cotillion on Sunday,”

also wtf in general. My mom was very anti-counseling when I was a kid, "brainwashing" which was mentioned in the article was a factor IIRC
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on November 30, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
Social emotional learning is code for diversity equity and inclusion which is code for critical race theory which is code for


COMMUNISM!!!!!!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on November 30, 2021, 06:04:20 PM
wtf is "going to cotillion"?

quinceanera for anglos.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2021, 06:12:30 PM
wtf is "going to cotillion"?

quinceanera for anglos.
Ah that makes sense, the quote made it seem like Sunday school or something
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on November 30, 2021, 07:54:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1465802106867269634
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2021, 11:06:42 PM
Why did they even answer him?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 01, 2021, 07:16:18 AM
https://twitter.com/jimmweber/status/1466030933207883778?s=21
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 01, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1466100036912259076?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 01, 2021, 02:28:03 PM
Father purchased the gun for him on Black Friday.   :Yuck:

I hope both the parents are charged as well.  Sounds like they want to go after them. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on December 01, 2021, 02:28:58 PM
Oof. That's a bad fact.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on December 01, 2021, 02:33:15 PM
well he would have just gotten one illegally anyway since he is a criminal*



*not sure whether or not he was already a criminal before yesterday
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 01, 2021, 02:44:13 PM
They have all lawyered up.  Kid is being charged as an adult.  Parents nor kid is speaking to law enforcement.  Overwhelming evidence that this was premeditated. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
I hope his parents die in prison

https://twitter.com/VICE/status/1466170278334062594
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2021, 10:30:22 PM
freedom ain’t free
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 02, 2021, 06:43:40 AM
The tree of Liberty mist be refreshed by the blood of school kids


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 02, 2021, 07:18:39 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-trump-michigan-guns-b1968181.html

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Jennifer Crumbley, 43, Mr Crumbley’s mother, wrote an open letter to then president-elect Donald Trump on her blog in November 2016, The Daily Beast first reported.

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” she wrote. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on December 02, 2021, 07:24:06 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-trump-michigan-guns-b1968181.html

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Jennifer Crumbley, 43, Mr Crumbley’s mother, wrote an open letter to then president-elect Donald Drumpf on her blog in November 2016, The Daily Beast first reported.

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” she wrote. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”

Who would have ever thought the idea of "muh rights" and no responsibility would ever strike again

and again

and again

....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 02, 2021, 07:51:17 AM
Wow.  Are there really people who think trump gave her the 2A and that anyone has ever tried to prevent her from protecting herself?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 02, 2021, 04:24:20 PM
We need a vice tax on guns.  Like quadruple the price.  Maybe more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 02, 2021, 04:37:19 PM
We should require liability insurance on them. Just put in place a huge tax penalty for uninsured guns like Obamacare used to have, since that has already been ruled constitutional.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
Liability, registration, tax, etc. shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR (if we are going to be cowards and not outlaw) crap loads. Use the money to fund counseling, etc. Been saying this for years.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 05:04:21 PM
Liability, registration, tax, etc. shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR (if we are going to be cowards and not outlaw) crap loads. Use the money to fund counseling, etc. Been saying this for years.
Your gun was used in a crime? It’s your personal household worth and insurance paying for it. Black market non insured gun? Impounded like a car. Why TF are pawn shop gun sales and gun shows a thing? These are not drastic steps.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2021, 06:57:48 PM
Liability, registration, tax, etc. shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR (if we are going to be cowards and not outlaw) crap loads. Use the money to fund counseling, etc. Been saying this for years.

basically take the rules for cars and apply them to guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 07:02:07 PM
It is my right! Yeah fuckwad. And freedom ain’t free.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on December 02, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
tankie dave
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
tankie dave
I’m not taking your bazooka away (because it’s too late).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on December 02, 2021, 07:16:51 PM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 02, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 07:34:45 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 02, 2021, 07:50:00 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

Yeah, allowing market forces to make a psycho switch from the "ratatatatatatatatatatatttaqtttatttatttttatttatattatatattta" gun to the "boom, boom - pause to reload"  gun would be amazing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 02, 2021, 07:53:50 PM
Added benefit that only rich people can afford guns so good luck with that proletariat uprising lmao
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on December 02, 2021, 08:15:46 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 08:46:51 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.
I’m good with either. Probably need to try something at some point imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2021, 08:56:37 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.
I’m good with either. Probably need to try something at some point imo.
TBH if we wouldn't do anything after Sandy Hook we never will.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 09:07:45 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.
I’m good with either. Probably need to try something at some point imo.
TBH if we wouldn't do anything after Sandy Hook we never will.
Maybe, but I still want us to nevertheless
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 03, 2021, 11:21:48 AM
Not sure if this will hold or whatever but good

https://twitter.com/4xinsight/status/1466818949815934976
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.

welp, nothing we can do then.  At least we tried nothing whatsoever
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2021, 11:26:16 AM
Not sure if this will hold or whatever but good

https://twitter.com/4xinsight/status/1466818949815934976

The new Kyle Rittenhouse maga dirtbag loser heroes have emerged!  Fire up the gofundme legal fund grift
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2021, 11:43:14 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/12/03/oxford-school-shooting-suspect-parents-james-jennifer-crumbley-charges/8849959002/

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on December 03, 2021, 02:09:32 PM
rumblings that mom texted the son "don't do it" or something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2021, 02:19:37 PM
apparently he got caught searching for ammunition, his parents were told, she texted "Im not mad LOL just don't get caught"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2021, 02:24:05 PM
Another twist!

https://twitter.com/sarasidnerCNN/status/1466860622679662592?t=vgsf0w0Nb1qNK9eqYchISA&s=19

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
We were scared!

https://twitter.com/charlielangton/status/1466874826027585545
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstater on December 03, 2021, 03:18:11 PM
Lol

"Oh crap, there's a manhunt for us.  We probably should say we weren't running"

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CHONGS on December 03, 2021, 03:30:26 PM
I thought they killed themselves
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on December 03, 2021, 04:07:24 PM
I just figured they were guilty af
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 03, 2021, 04:09:33 PM
Hopefully the police are able to book them without anybody getting shot to death.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on December 03, 2021, 04:11:23 PM
Hopefully the police are able to book them without anybody getting shot to death.
They’re white trash, but white, so should be ok


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
Hopefully the police are able to book them without anybody getting shot to death.
They’re white trash, but white, so should be ok


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He meant a mass shooting freak out suicide by cop type white dude thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 03, 2021, 05:27:23 PM
Yeah, these people are armed and scared.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstater on December 03, 2021, 05:37:25 PM
Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said the Crumbleys' attorney would make arrangements for their arrest if charges were issued, and when the warrants were issued Friday, "detectives immediately moved to arrest the couple," the Oakland County Sheriff's Office said.

The attorney told police "she had made repeated attempts to reach them by phone and text without success," the sheriff's office said.

Bouchard said, "The action of fleeing and ignoring their attorney certainly adds weight to the charges. They cannot run from their part in this tragedy."


The couple's attorneys then said in a statement: "The Crumbleys left town on the night of the tragic shooting for their own safety. They are returning to the area to be arraigned. They are not fleeing from law enforcement."

In a response to the statement by the attorneys for Jennifer and James Crumbley, the Oakland County Sheriff's Office said it is not aware that the couple is returning to be arraigned.

"If they are, it's news to us," Undersheriff Mike McCabe told ABC News, saying authorities still don't know where the couple is located.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
In the past I have felt a good deal of sympathy for the parents of shooter because, the insane emotions, it's your child and you love them but they caused such suffering.  Must be torment.*  These folks may make an exception

*To raise a kid who does this you were likely less than an ideal parent.  But maybe you were a great one in a bad situation. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on December 03, 2021, 11:24:41 PM
I imagine mental illness is a factor in the vast majority of these. I wouldn’t necessarily read that much into the parenting other than the fact that many left guns accesible for their crazy kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 04, 2021, 07:18:26 AM
I imagine mental illness is a factor in the vast majority of these. I wouldn’t necessarily read that much into the parenting other than the fact that many left guns accesible for their crazy kids.
The gun availability piece is guilty enough to me. Wrack’em.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on December 04, 2021, 12:36:34 PM
I'm hearing they both Crumbled within the first few minutes of questioning.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 04, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
I'm hearing they both Crumbled within the first few minutes of questioning.

Weird.  Based on appearance and behavior alone, they look to be folks who could easily handle a seasoned detective with lots of electronic evidence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 04, 2021, 06:59:41 PM
If the flee to Canada but they couldn’t get in because anti vax thing is true it’s a pretty good summary of where we find ourself as a country unfortunately
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: williamthewildcat on December 05, 2021, 11:27:15 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/05/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-sunday/index.html

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. When asked to take their child home for the rest of the day, Throne said the student’s parents “flatly refused,” leaving their son behind to “return to work.” And because the student had no prior disciplinary actions on his record, school counselors decided to allow him to return to his class, rather than send him to what they thought would be an empty home, Throne explained. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: williamthewildcat on December 05, 2021, 11:31:49 PM
Same link..



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.  Then on Tuesday -- the day of the shooting -- a teacher alerted school counselors and the Dean of students to "concerning drawings and written statements" that the student had created, according to the letter. He was "immediately removed from the classroom" and taken to a guidance counselor's office, Throne explains.
The student told a school counselor that "the drawing was part of a video game he was designing and informed counselors that he planned to pursue video game design as a career," Throne said.
Following that discussion, the student stayed in the office for an hour and half as school staff called his parents and waited for them to arrive to the school, the letter noted. While waiting the student said he was concerned about missing his homework assignments and "requested his science homework, which he then worked on while in the office," the letter said.
"At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which Then on Tuesday -- the day of the shooting -- a teacher alerted school counselors and the Dean of students to "concerning drawings and written statements" that the student had created, according to the letter. He was "immediately removed from the classroom" and taken to a guidance counselor's office, Throne explains.
The student told a school counselor that "the drawing was part of a video game he was designing and informed counselors that he planned to pursue video game design as a career," Throne said.
Following that discussion, the student stayed in the office for an hour and half as school staff called his parents and waited for them to arrive to the school, the letter noted. While waiting the student said he was concerned about missing his homework assignments and "requested his science homework, which he then worked on while in the office," the letter said.
 “At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm," Throne said. calm," Throne said.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on December 06, 2021, 12:29:05 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.
I’m good with either. Probably need to try something at some point imo.
TBH if we wouldn't do anything after Sandy Hook we never will.

Yup, been thinking/saying that for years. When you slaughter a bunch of young kids and the reflexive response is crisis actors and arm teachers the plot is lost and nothing is ever going to happen
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 06, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR crap loads.

guns are unlike cars in that most of the time when they're used to kill people, it is intentional.  so i suspect that if different types of guns were treated significantly differently, people wishing to use them to kill people would switch to the type favored by law, even if it was not the best tool for killing people available to them.
Well…..good?

i'm just saying that making some types of gun prohibitively expensive while not making all other guns so expensive that "normal" gunowners get super mad is probably even harder than just outlawing a few types of guns.
I’m good with either. Probably need to try something at some point imo.
TBH if we wouldn't do anything after Sandy Hook we never will.

Yup, been thinking/saying that for years. When you slaughter a bunch of young kids and the reflexive response is crisis actors and arm teachers the plot is lost and nothing is ever going to happen

Unfortunately, this is what MAGA politics have done to the whole system.  Everything. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on December 07, 2021, 01:45:22 PM
everything is a culture war

and culture wars cannot be lost
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on December 09, 2021, 01:30:04 PM
https://twitter.com/bone00afide/status/1469013109578862599?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 11, 2021, 09:14:24 AM
feral hog guy is doubling down

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158099893615026177

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158087296681480193

https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158100627462995968

Egg on steve dave's face.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wild-hogs-kill-woman-attack-outside-texas-home-sheriff-says-n1091216

https://twitter.com/mgnkngsbry/status/1211368620858707972

sorry for bumping a thread you never want to see bumped but it's good this time

https://twitter.com/OrdinaryAlso/status/1469122119552352260
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2021, 10:29:47 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 12, 2022, 03:30:47 PM
Is it normal for these POS to plead not guilty?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10395891/Not-guilty-plea-entered-teen-Michigan-school-shooting.html?ito=push-notification&ci=HF3Jnd_PYI&cri=eW9R15Auiy&si=51788267&xi=f1221242-87d0-464f-8f79-2261d1ac0686&ai=10395891
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on January 12, 2022, 07:15:45 PM
^at the arraignment, everyone who has a lawyer pleads not guilty as far as i know
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 12, 2022, 07:47:48 PM
Weird. I thought most of them plead quilty to avoid the death penalty for some reason.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 12, 2022, 07:51:07 PM
Weird. I thought most of them plead quilty to avoid the death penalty for some reason.
Not at the arraignment. The plea bargaining doesn’t begin until after.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on March 04, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/us/olathe-east-high-school-kansas-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kid In the Hall on March 04, 2022, 12:02:27 PM
I have kids in the district (but not at that school) and the building is secure. They are in the process of getting students to families. Unknown at that point about the status of two school staff who were shot. Suspect is in custody.

Many of the other schools in the district went on lockdown for a while (could have been all of them - not sure).

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 04, 2022, 12:08:15 PM
No bueno
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kid In the Hall on March 04, 2022, 12:41:48 PM
Apparently, the shooter was a student. Thankfully, the two staff members are in stable condition and expected to survive.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
I was surprise reader at my 2nd graders school (blue valley) and it was a tense atmosphere.  To think of anyone shooting my little kids is just mumped up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on March 04, 2022, 02:14:36 PM
sounds like staff should be ok, but haven't been much update on the shooter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on March 05, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
sounds like staff should be ok, but haven't been much update on the shooter.
https://fox4kc.com/news/olathe-east-hs-shooting-suspect-arrested/


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 15, 2022, 03:50:45 PM
:sdeek:

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article259393109.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 15, 2022, 04:12:38 PM
Have to respect that they are open enough to admit the nra gun safety programs are just marketing outreach programs for gun manufacturers.

Pretty gross to ban the non-marketing outreach programs though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on March 15, 2022, 04:24:55 PM
So basically they're doing a no-bid contract to the NRA for any gun safety taught in schools.  PROBLEM SOLVED!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2022, 09:01:27 PM
lol, that's utter nonsense
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2022, 09:16:55 PM
a local hs kid shot and killed another local hs kid not far from my house (less than 2 miles anyway, different school district) the other day. baseball team had a team gathering and they were at one kids house afterwords and drinking and crap. one kid pointed a gun at the other and pulled the trigger as a joke (??) thinking the gun was unloaded and killed him. just absolutely rough ridin' awful and heart breaking. my next door neighbor's son was lifelong friends with the kids and went to the funeral today.

https://www.ketv.com/article/omaha-teen-arrested-manslaughter-death-ralston-baseball-player/39442766
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 03, 2022, 08:50:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1510594230611238921?s=21&t=PAyQ73r53LUD7IEOByqU5g


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 17, 2022, 04:28:10 PM
https://twitter.com/columbiapdsc/status/1515767059438882828?s=21&t=UCY_nweiB9JjcPYCvlRm5w


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 17, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Interesting that they’re saying it was self-defense but charged him unlawful carry of a weapon.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 26, 2022, 08:30:19 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1518923967930814468?s=20&t=jeOVwYFqQ7cqQlE51klxiQ
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 26, 2022, 12:56:42 PM
More good little leaguers with guns is what is needed here, obvs. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 26, 2022, 02:29:50 PM
Was the shooting AT the ballgame?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 26, 2022, 02:32:04 PM
Was the shooting AT the ballgame?
Parking lot by fields. Unrelated to the game/fans.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 14, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Not a school, but this one appears to have the hallmark of a barn burner court case

https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 14, 2022, 05:45:05 PM
His mega maga replacement theory manifesto is going to send dax into a rage spiral
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2022, 08:02:05 PM
Don’t look at me.  It’s hardcore #blueanonGe/#neoconGe member Lick lobbying hard for cheap foreign labor. 

Dude can’t wait to have Bahrain/UAE America and probably secretly wishes for the slave trade like his hero Barry “unexplained regime change” Obama helped sweep back into Africa with his Libya regime change.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 14, 2022, 08:24:11 PM
Don’t look at me.  It’s hardcore #blueanonGe/#neoconGe member Lick lobbying hard for cheap foreign labor. 

Dude can’t wait to have Bahrain/UAE America and probably secretly wishes for the slave trade like his hero Barry “unexplained regime change” Obama helped sweep back into Africa with his Libya regime change.
WTF does this have to do with the shooting?


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2022, 08:52:42 PM
Don’t look at me.  It’s hardcore #blueanonGe/#neoconGe member Lick lobbying hard for cheap foreign labor. 

Dude can’t wait to have Bahrain/UAE America and probably secretly wishes for the slave trade like his hero Barry “unexplained regime change” Obama helped sweep back into Africa with his Libya regime change.
WTF does this have to do with the shooting?


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You’ll have to ask #slowdug who is always got me on his mind.  Did you even read the thread???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 14, 2022, 09:14:14 PM
Don’t look at me.  It’s hardcore #blueanonGe/#neoconGe member Lick lobbying hard for cheap foreign labor. 

Dude can’t wait to have Bahrain/UAE America and probably secretly wishes for the slave trade like his hero Barry “unexplained regime change” Obama helped sweep back into Africa with his Libya regime change.
WTF does this have to do with the shooting?


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he's literally having a stroke i think
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2022, 09:48:15 PM
Following along is tough for some people on this blog.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 14, 2022, 09:52:10 PM
Dax…..wtf
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2022, 09:59:02 PM
His mega maga replacement theory manifesto is going to send dax into a rage spiral
Why is #blueanonGe/#neoconGe not capable of reading and understanding this?

FFS, once again I beg you guys to not tell anyone you went to K-State. 

BTW the Buffalo shooter invokes black sun symbolism.  The same as the Ukrainian Nazi’s that #neoconGe loves so very much.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 15, 2022, 08:48:31 AM
https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1525608850229018625?s=21&t=Pi2bcyACJkAOBDRhDltL_w


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 15, 2022, 09:03:15 AM
https://twitter.com/madisonlcarter/status/1525685844635533315?s=21&t=BZIpPzK6yLjpTLXv1Mxp4w
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 09:15:06 AM
https://twitter.com/madisonlcarter/status/1525685844635533315?s=21&t=BZIpPzK6yLjpTLXv1Mxp4w

God damnit, man ...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 15, 2022, 09:23:31 AM
https://twitter.com/bjyoung1990/status/1525842216916332546?s=21&t=BZIpPzK6yLjpTLXv1Mxp4w
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
His mega maga replacement theory manifesto is going to send dax into a rage spiral
Why is #blueanonGe/#neoconGe not capable of reading and understanding this?

FFS, once again I beg you guys to not tell anyone you went to K-State. 

BTW the Buffalo shooter invokes black sun symbolism.  The same as the Ukrainian Nazi’s that #neoconGe loves so very much.

Buffaloes shooter is maga dax.  Come to terms
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
So this shooter is a racist replacement theory chud? Big surprise.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 15, 2022, 10:46:42 AM
Yep, straight out of the tucker Carlson white power hour.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 15, 2022, 10:52:38 AM
https://twitter.com/johnnyheatwave/status/1525856542171480064
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2022, 11:09:25 AM
Shooter copies tucker word for word good lord
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2022, 01:37:12 PM
The Buffalo shooter thinks Fox News is controlled by the Jews. 

Also loves the Black Sun emblem which is also a favorite of the #neoconGe’s favorite Nazi’s the Azov battalion.

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.

You’re not scoring any extra credit here guy’s, so for once quit going full #blueanon and making this political.   Everybody now laughs at people like Rahm “never let a crisis go to waste” Emmanuel. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 02:41:17 PM
Was not expecting the Rahm Emmanuel pivot!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2022, 04:07:30 PM
Oops, that was a dm
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 04:14:32 PM
The Buffalo shooter thinks Fox News is controlled by the Jews. 

Also loves the Black Sun emblem which is also a favorite of the #neoconGe’s favorite Nazi’s the Azov battalion.

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.

You’re not scoring any extra credit here guy’s, so for once quit going full #blueanon and making this political.   Everybody now laughs at people like Rahm “never let a crisis go to waste” Emmanuel.

Bleeding edge MAGAs profess to dislike Fox News as well (too woke), although of course they still watch it. Case study: my MAGA-mom. She also says Trump is a RINO, but not for the obvious reasons. Nope. It's because of him trumpeting (lol, get it?) the Trump Vaccine. Sad stuff, really. Trump = Dr. Frankenstein.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 15, 2022, 04:41:36 PM
https://twitter.com/acosta/status/1525949772623912961?s=21&t=zYp99IG7LZ4HdC7NI5Fypw
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2022, 06:35:01 PM
The Buffalo shooter thinks Fox News is controlled by the Jews. 

Also loves the Black Sun emblem which is also a favorite of the #neoconGe’s favorite Nazi’s the Azov battalion.

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.

You’re not scoring any extra credit here guy’s, so for once quit going full #blueanon and making this political.   Everybody now laughs at people like Rahm “never let a crisis go to waste” Emmanuel.

Bleeding edge MAGAs profess to dislike Fox News as well (too woke), although of course they still watch it. Case study: my MAGA-mom. She also says Trump is a RINO, but not for the obvious reasons. Nope. It's because of him trumpeting (lol, get it?) the Trump Vaccine. Sad stuff, really. Trump = Dr. Frankenstein.
#blueanon/#blueanonGe DNGAF that people died.  This is all about scoring political points. 

The mentally incapacitated stooge playing the role of President is going to Buffalo to score political points.

Herr Garland has a boner.

Your over explaining is hilarious, tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2022, 06:42:24 PM
Dax, your projector is showing again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 15, 2022, 08:55:28 PM
https://twitter.com/acosta/status/1525949772623912961?s=21&t=zYp99IG7LZ4HdC7NI5Fypw
Sort of off topic but could they get any less specific than saying “shooting that left victims shot”?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2022, 09:09:54 PM
https://twitter.com/acosta/status/1525949772623912961?s=21&t=zYp99IG7LZ4HdC7NI5Fypw
Sort of off topic but could they get any less specific than saying “shooting that left victims shot”?

I felt bad for chuckling at this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 15, 2022, 10:03:12 PM
it's still a shooting if no one gets hit (or obviously if one person does)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2022, 10:28:13 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 16, 2022, 01:38:41 PM
seems relevant to the debate as to what strain of nihilist racism motivated the murderer.

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1526027844492591104
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 02:49:09 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 02:50:10 PM
seems relevant to the debate as to what strain of nihilist racism motivated the murderer.

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1526027844492591104

Given the fact that Biden/#neocons hate Erdo, this is very on point relative to what drives insane people.   Obama-Biden already tried to coup Erdo once.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on May 16, 2022, 02:50:58 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

holy crap, man
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 02:53:11 PM
Yeah holy crap, sitting back and watching #blueanon trying to score political points over spilled blood is just sad and pathetic.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 02:55:03 PM
JFC, dax...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 02:56:09 PM
Your political movement doesn't even let the ambulance leave the scene before your trying to score political points.

Just own the reality, spracs.

JFC
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:08:14 PM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 03:15:12 PM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

My thinking on the death penalty has evolved over time. I no longer support it, and I don't think it's constitutional, although the current Court probably disagrees with me (because they suck b's and t's).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:17:28 PM
So that's a no from Spracs.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 03:20:19 PM
So that's a no from Spracs.

I don't want to turn this into The Death Penalty Thread, but there are worse fates than death.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 16, 2022, 03:22:29 PM
I agree with spracne on no death penalty for this guy who killed in support of mainstream republican ideals.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:27:41 PM
There's nothing more hilarious reading someone who is getting his rocks off about a war that's killing and displacing 1000's of people, and who is cheering for his elected representatives to send another $40 billion dollars in weapons to kill people in far off lands . . . talk about "mainstream Republican ideals".   Using that logic then clearly the mainstream #blueanon ideal is death and destruction on a mass scale.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 03:29:14 PM
everything, everywhere, all at once.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:30:26 PM
The expected tapout from Spracs.

#blueanon, happy to bath in the blood of murdered people to score political points, while cheering on wars in far off lands.

The ultimate ghouls. 

Sad

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 03:31:13 PM
Stay on topic, dax.  :nono:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:32:58 PM
Stay on topic, dax.  :nono:

Quite avoiding the reality, spracs.

You know what I'm saying is 1000% on brand for #blueanon

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 03:34:19 PM
Stay on topic, dax.  :nono:

Quite avoiding the reality, spracs.

You know what I'm saying is 1000% on brand for #blueanon

Then go post about it in your #blueanon thread, dorkus maximus.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:35:07 PM
Stay on topic, dax.  :nono:

Quite avoiding the reality, spracs.

You know what I'm saying is 1000% on brand for #blueanon

Then go post about it in your #blueanon thread, dorkus maximus.

This from a dude who has spent the last month or more trying way to hard, and trying to deflect and change topics on numerous threads.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 16, 2022, 03:39:18 PM
I don't really want a fate worse than death for the guy, either. Just a standard life sentence in prison, where he hopefully doesn't even get butt raped and nobody outside ever sees or hears from him again. The only legitimate reason to put the guy to death in my eyes is the possibility that a future president might pardon him, but I view that as very unlikely.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 03:44:48 PM
Well if his dude's mom has a big rack and the future President is a Clinton acolyte I'd say a pardon is highly  probable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 16, 2022, 03:58:48 PM
Has every generation had Daxes whose only value system seems to be taking exception with judgments made by others? Or is this new to the “alternative facts” age of the internet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 04:03:57 PM
Has every generation had Daxes whose only value system seems to be taking exception with judgments made by others? Or is this new to the “alternative facts” age of the internet?

The judgements?   :lol: :lol:

You mean like spewing BS about Republicans pardoning cold blooded killers?   Which to my knowledge has never happened.

As always I've got to pull out my catastrophe coding device and figure out WTH you're trying to say, but once again it's saying you're not making any sense, as always.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2022, 04:09:07 PM
Dax, are you taking this one so personally because you have promoted racist replacement theory bullshit on this blog?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 16, 2022, 04:10:50 PM
Has every generation had Daxes whose only value system seems to be taking exception with judgments made by others? Or is this new to the “alternative facts” age of the internet?

The judgements?   :lol: :lol:

You mean like spewing BS about Republicans pardoning cold blooded killers?   Which to my knowledge has never happened.

As always I've got to pull out my catastrophe coding device and figure out WTH you're trying to say, but once again it's saying you're not making any sense, as always.

Eddie Gallagher was pardoned by Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
Dax, are you taking this one so personally because you have promoted racist replacement theory bullshit on this blog?

I have discussed LickNicky's desire for Bahrain/UAE America on this blog.   Since he has repeatedly stated that he is in favor of an immigration policy that gives his most favored corporations and virtue signaling American oligarchs access to a cheap labor pool. 

Otherwise, I don't know what that has to do with anything, StarBot.7-DeflectoBot

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 04:13:09 PM
Has every generation had Daxes whose only value system seems to be taking exception with judgments made by others? Or is this new to the “alternative facts” age of the internet?

The judgements?   :lol: :lol:

You mean like spewing BS about Republicans pardoning cold blooded killers?   Which to my knowledge has never happened.

As always I've got to pull out my catastrophe coding device and figure out WTH you're trying to say, but once again it's saying you're not making any sense, as always.

Eddie Gallagher was pardoned by Donald Trump.

So now you're concerned about alleged acts committed in a war zone?

LOL, okay.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 16, 2022, 04:16:35 PM
Yeah, I'd rather not live in a society with unhinged war criminals who stab prisoners to death and shoot elderly men and schoolgirls for fun, dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 04:19:19 PM
Yeah, I'd rather not live in a society with unhinged war criminals who stab prisoners to death and shoot elderly men and schoolgirls for fun, dax.

Oh okay. 

(edit) Well, at least I know you like to pick and choose your moments when you want to be a humanitarian . . . based on the politics and politicians involved.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2022, 04:26:46 PM
Dax, are you taking this one so personally because you have promoted racist replacement theory bullshit on this blog?

I have discussed LickNicky's desire for Bahrain/UAE America on this blog.   Since he has repeatedly stated that he is in favor of an immigration policy that gives his most favored corporations and virtue signaling American oligarchs access to a cheap labor pool. 

Otherwise, I don't know what that has to do with anything, StarBot.7-DeflectoBot

so yeah, that is why
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 04:27:53 PM
You'll have to take Lick's desire to have Bahrain/UAE America with him.    He's very keen on seeing #blueanon's most favored corporations have access to cheap labor.

Otherwise, and as usual, what StarBot.7 was asking made no sense.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 16, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
https://twitter.com/johnnystantoniv/status/1526313156502355968?s=21&t=ob3-q551M6kOx8U1Zuutjw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 16, 2022, 08:15:35 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

I can't let this post go. You are unimaginably cruel. What a piece of crap you are. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 16, 2022, 08:21:06 PM
Ya, why do you have to be a miserable bad person when the Durham trial is about to begin?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on May 16, 2022, 08:33:45 PM
I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

i'm fairly confident you'd make some snarky comment about Biden not making an appearance in Buffalo if that were the case.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 09:18:56 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

I can't let this post go. You are unimaginably cruel. What a piece of crap you are.

I can't think of any bigger pieces of crap than the political movement you belong to that is playing a political game with dead people within minutes of the event.

Instead why don't you join me in calling for your political leaders to stop trying to score political points with their lemming constituency while standing over the top of dead bodies.

Joe Biden didn't hop on Air Force One when 6 people were killed and dozens more were injured in Wisconsin.    He's only going to Buffalo to rally the political troops, he DNGAF that there are 10 dead people.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 16, 2022, 09:33:10 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

I can't let this post go. You are unimaginably cruel. What a piece of crap you are.

How is he being cruel?  He made several valid points which outrages some because there might be truth in what was said? He also said there is 'no real concern for the victims or families' which is accurate because we know the news outlets don't give a crap at all about anyone but just want the ratings.

This guy is a racist POS and should get the death penalty as far as I'm concerned.  He was a fan of another racist psychotic so the sooner they put these idiots down the better.

You give Dax crap but allow other dbags on here a pass when they claim he killed because of republican ideals???  wtf??  That is truly unhinged.  I also find it funny that people on here claim it was "Tucker" driven?   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)  That kid has no idea who Tucker is. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2022, 09:44:02 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

I can't let this post go. You are unimaginably cruel. What a piece of crap you are.

How is he being cruel?  He made several valid points which outrages some because there might be truth in what was said? He also said there is 'no real concern for the victims or families' which is accurate because we know the news outlets don't give a crap at all about anyone but just want the ratings.

This guy is a racist POS and should get the death penalty as far as I'm concerned.  He was a fan of another racist psychotic so the sooner they put these idiots down the better.

You give Dax crap but allow other dbags on here a pass when they claim he killed because of republican ideals???  wtf??  That is truly unhinged.  I also find it funny that people on here claim it was "Tucker" driven?   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)  That kid has no idea who Tucker is.

Don't bother, this is the rhetoric that drives #blueanon.   The grieving families are just a side show to their agenda.   

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/buffalo-shooter-white-supremacist-great-replacement-donald-trump-1353509/

A Berniebot literally being one Capital Police officer away from wiping out nearly the entire Republican house delegation is a long ago forgotten memory for #blueanon rank and file (among just one example).    The sad part of is, there were thousands of #blueanon who wished he had been successful.

   



 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 16, 2022, 10:10:57 PM
I don't really want a fate worse than death for the guy, either. Just a standard life sentence in prison, where he hopefully doesn't even get butt raped and nobody outside ever sees or hears from him again. The only legitimate reason to put the guy to death in my eyes is the possibility that a future president might pardon him, but I view that as very unlikely.

why would u hope he doesn't get butt raped?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2022, 10:18:47 PM
https://twitter.com/deadspin/status/1526261839897632769?s=21&t=s7HVeNr683dFUe57eKbFQg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 16, 2022, 10:20:02 PM
nobody reads those deadspin scabs anymore btw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 16, 2022, 10:38:27 PM
Jalopnik was good for awhile but the best talent imo started The Autotopian
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2022, 07:08:17 AM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 17, 2022, 07:41:05 AM
It's interesting that the resident gE maga population feels the need to let everyone know that that no one actually cares about the victims in Buffalo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2022, 08:47:45 AM
Has every generation had Daxes whose only value system seems to be taking exception with judgments made by others? Or is this new to the “alternative facts” age of the internet?

The judgements?   :lol: :lol:

You mean like spewing BS about Republicans pardoning cold blooded killers?   Which to my knowledge has never happened.

As always I've got to pull out my catastrophe coding device and figure out WTH you're trying to say, but once again it's saying you're not making any sense, as always.



Looking at a pardon list, Trump pardoned multiple murderers and manslaughterers.

Also, lol @ you trying to decode someone else's posts
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 17, 2022, 08:54:35 AM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

I can't let this post go. You are unimaginably cruel. What a piece of crap you are.

How is he being cruel?  He made several valid points which outrages some because there might be truth in what was said? He also said there is 'no real concern for the victims or families' which is accurate because we know the news outlets don't give a crap at all about anyone but just want the ratings.

This guy is a racist POS and should get the death penalty as far as I'm concerned.  He was a fan of another racist psychotic so the sooner they put these idiots down the better.

You give Dax crap but allow other dbags on here a pass when they claim he killed because of republican ideals???  wtf??  That is truly unhinged.  I also find it funny that people on here claim it was "Tucker" driven?   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)  That kid has no idea who Tucker is.

hey perp i'll attempt to clarify for you a bit...when it comes to the crap espoused in that manifesto...its not that ALL tuckerbro magas say that crap...its that, ONLY, tuckerbro magas say that crap. I hope that helps? but let me know if you have any further questions
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2022, 09:08:08 AM
The manifesto quotes Tucker's show damn near word for word. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2022, 09:34:45 AM
The Tucker MAGAs are the mainstream. Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are on the fringe. It's sad, but you're in denial if you don't see it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 09:48:53 AM
The "manifesto" is an insult to all things manifesto.   It is the screed(s) of a crazy person who spent time undergoing psychiatric evaluation a year ago. 

Our mentally incapacitated clown President is being sent to Buffalo by his controllers and in all probability will spend a good portion of the time reading divisive words from the teleprompter.    This is what ghoulish handlers do when they look at the polling numbers and realize that they need to send a President out to be divisive and to fire up their base while standing over the bodies of dead people. 

Our Gurgler in Chief allegedly claims he doesn't even know the Republican party anymore.    Really?   The same Republicans who for the most part are walking around with chubbies on Capital Hill and can't wait to send $40 billion dollars to Ukraine so the United States can help fight a war on behalf of Biden Family Inc, those Republicans?    The Republicans that proactively added $7 billion dollars to the Gurgler in Chief's request for more weapons for killing and destruction in Ukraine?   

Instead, why doesn't #blueanonGe join me in calling for our President (and his controllers) to give an impassioned speech about the state of mental health in our country.   Instead of the (likely) divisive rhetoric that solves nothing and only serves to gin up outrage among people who are already outraged about everything all the time anyway . . . let's call upon our President to request that the $40 billion dollars that Republicans can't wait to give to Ukraine.  Instead be re-directed towards a national effort to address the thousands upon thousands of American's with mental health problems.   Instead of sending $40 billion to a mega corrupt country so they can protect their borders and national sovereignty.   Let's put that money towards helping American's who desperately need it. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 09:50:11 AM
The Tucker MAGAs are the mainstream. Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are on the fringe. It's sad, but you're in denial if you don't see it.

Using that logic I would add that Democrats are now the party of diviseness and perpetual war.   When you've co-opted the Liz Cheney's of the world as your own, you are the party of perpetual war, death, destruction and U.S. uni-polar hegemony . . . and your party is lead by one of the biggest lifetime racists to ever walk the halls of Washington, a chief proponent and supporter of Incarceration Nation, and one of the biggest advocates for war the country has ever known.



Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 17, 2022, 10:00:00 AM
Dax refuses to simply condemn the racist shooter because it would only further the troubling division in this country between decent and evil people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 10:01:26 AM
Dax refuses to simply condemn the racist shooter because he wants unity.

Everyone is condemning the shooter.

catestrophe simply can't condemn the ghoulish divisiveness and call upon his leader to stop funding wars around the world and instead concentrate on American citizens who need help.

Sad

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 17, 2022, 10:04:17 AM
Condemning Great Replacement Theory is divisive you guys.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 10:07:38 AM
Bucket with the usual strawman.

By-the-way,  Bucket, that's not  replacement theory, that's Lick's Quest for Bahrain/UAE America and a cheap labor pool for #blueanon's most favored corporations.

No more worrying about that union at the Amazon sweatshops.  Hooray!



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2022, 10:15:36 AM
Condemning Great Replacement Theory is divisive you guys.

Yeah, condemn the shooter, not your racist uncle who starts saying crap that is written in the manifesto after his 5th brewsky at Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 17, 2022, 10:21:20 AM
Reminder - this is what dax thinks about "the great replacement"

Only the very dumb think that this is a white conspiracy theory. 

The unilateral declaration of a conspiracy theory by #blueanon typically means that’s exactly what’s going on and #blueanon must obfuscate and redirect.

Sad
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 17, 2022, 10:22:04 AM
Bucket with the usual strawman.

By-the-way,  Bucket, that's not  replacement theory, that's Lick's Quest for Bahrain/UAE America and a cheap labor pool for #blueanon's most favored corporations.

No more worrying about that union at the Amazon sweatshops.  Hooray!

the manifesto is verbatim the replacement theory.  HTH
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2022, 10:22:12 AM
At least we agree that quoting Tucker is the screed of a crazy person
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 17, 2022, 10:22:22 AM
Dax refuses to simply condemn the racist shooter because he wants unity.

Everyone is condemning the shooter.

catestrophe simply can't condemn the ghoulish divisiveness and call upon his leader to stop funding wars around the world and instead concentrate on American citizens who need help.

Sad
I haven’t seen you take a single coherent position in the pit in the last 4 years at least. It’s telling that your crusade against “divisiveness” always gets resurrected in the context of clear atrocities like this shooting and the war crimes committed during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Evil should be condemned, and in most cases it’s enough to simply condemn it instead of feeling slightly that your own warped world view isn’t represented in the condemnations.

That said, I do agree we have done a terrible job of addressing mental health on an institutional level. I don’t know if you have mental health issues to work through, but either way I do believe you have not yet come to grips with whatever it is you’re struggling with. I really encourage you to just spend a few sessions with a professional and do some introspection.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2022, 10:25:07 AM
The "manifesto" is an insult to all things manifesto.   It is the screed(s) of a crazy person who spent time undergoing psychiatric evaluation a year ago. 

I would not be surprised to learn that dax has a manifesto posted online somewhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 10:30:53 AM
It's telling and sad when #blueanonGe/#neoconGe never wants to take on the words of their own, and the continuous calls for cheap foreign labor to fuel the sweatshops and the low paying jobs of #blueanonGe's most favored American oligarchs/virtue signaling mega-corps.   

The quest by #blueanonGe for Bahrain/UAE America never rests.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2022, 10:32:31 AM
tapout noted
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
Never let a mass shooting go to waste for our political gain (as long as the shooter has a certain skin color) . . . #blueanon/#blueanonGe
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
tapout noted

Incorrect as always
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 17, 2022, 10:35:38 AM
Thanks for showing your true colors for once.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 10:39:50 AM
Thanks for showing your true colors for once.

Your true colors are clearly that you prefer divisiveness and deride anyone who wants to be non-divisive.

It's weird, when people of a certain color go on mass shooting sprees we're supposed to take into account their mental state.   When #blueanon seizes upon a situation where the shooter is the right color for their political gain, we're not supposed to take into account the shooters mental state.

Time to admit that this is all about attempting to advance your political movement, bucket.  Be honest, for once.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 17, 2022, 10:48:46 AM
i will be the first to admit that I am shamelessly trying to advance my political stance that I think we have a serious problem in this country with gun violence and that, in my opinion, the solution is not to give more guns to good guys. its to stop making it so easy for pretty much anyone who wants a gun to get one. So like, if a mass shooting takes place (which it does, a lot) I can admit that i won't try to normalize it or rationalize it or book-end it with some qualifying statement about the individual's skin color or mental state of mind or perceived political affiliation. I am quite comfortable condemning all acts of gun violence. full stop. And then furthermore I am comfortable pointing to each and every one of those acts of gun violence as evidence for why there should be fewer guns in circulation and more restrictions on how to obtain them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2022, 10:55:50 AM
Thanks for showing your true colors for once.

Your true colors are clearly that you prefer divisiveness and deride anyone who wants to be non-divisive.

It's weird, when people of a certain color go on mass shooting sprees we're supposed to take into account their mental state.   When #blueanon seizes upon a situation where the shooter is the right color for their political gain, we're not supposed to take into account the shooters mental state.

Time to admit that this is all about attempting to advance your political movement, bucket.  Be honest, for once.

It's only about the color of the shooter to you.  To others, it's about the color of the victims the shooter specifically said he was targeting while citing Tucker Carlson.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 17, 2022, 10:57:56 AM
And to Big Apple Cat's point, guns in general.  It's about that too.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2022, 11:02:50 AM
Dax don't bring me into the fact that you were advocating replacement theory and were either too embarrassed to admit you are a racist or to ashamed to admit you are a dumbass
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 11:25:06 AM
Dax don't bring me into the fact that you were advocating replacement theory and were either too embarrassed to admit you are a racist or to ashamed to admit you are a dumbass
Lick it’s sad that you just can’t admit that you’ve been a consistent voice for cheap foreign labor.   You’ve tried to wrap it in the guise of jobs Americans won’t take.  But you know deep down it’s going to benefit the biggest corporate allies of #blueanon.    Your desire for Bahrain/UAE America is unmasked and you’re embarrassed.

Good news though.  This Buffalo situation is a real opportunity for your guy Joe to turnaround those horrid polling numbers.  Congrats!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2022, 11:44:35 AM
https://www.elisestefanik2022.com/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2022, 11:53:54 AM
Dax don't bring me into the fact that you were advocating replacement theory and were either too embarrassed to admit you are a racist or to ashamed to admit you are a dumbass
Lick it’s sad that you just can’t admit that you’ve been a consistent voice for cheap foreign labor.   You’ve tried to wrap it in the guise of jobs Americans won’t take.  But you know deep down it’s going to benefit the biggest corporate allies of #blueanon.    Your desire for Bahrain/UAE America is unmasked and you’re embarrassed.

Good news though.  This Buffalo situation is a real opportunity for your guy Joe to turnaround those horrid polling numbers.  Congrats!


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tapout noted
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 17, 2022, 12:10:35 PM
The "manifesto" is an insult to all things manifesto.   It is the screed(s) of a crazy person who spent time undergoing psychiatric evaluation a year ago. 

I would not be surprised to learn that dax has a manifesto posted online somewhere.

That's goEMAW dot com!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 12:37:55 PM
Thanks for showing your true colors for once.

Your true colors are clearly that you prefer divisiveness and deride anyone who wants to be non-divisive.

It's weird, when people of a certain color go on mass shooting sprees we're supposed to take into account their mental state.   When #blueanon seizes upon a situation where the shooter is the right color for their political gain, we're not supposed to take into account the shooters mental state.

Time to admit that this is all about attempting to advance your political movement, bucket.  Be honest, for once.

It's only about the color of the shooter to you.  To others, it's about the color of the victims the shooter specifically said he was targeting while citing Tucker Carlson.

Your leaders DNGAF about the victims, what they're repeatedly saying that for them it's all about color and all about what they think this insane person thought and what they think his political allegiances were/are.   

But enough of that.   Join me in calling for our mentally incapacitated clown President and his controllers to redirect the funds currently being discussed for Ukraine, and instead putting them towards tackling the severe mental health crises that exists in our country.    Enough of financing perpetual wars in far off lands.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 12:39:01 PM
Dax don't bring me into the fact that you were advocating replacement theory and were either too embarrassed to admit you are a racist or to ashamed to admit you are a dumbass
Lick it’s sad that you just can’t admit that you’ve been a consistent voice for cheap foreign labor.   You’ve tried to wrap it in the guise of jobs Americans won’t take.  But you know deep down it’s going to benefit the biggest corporate allies of #blueanon.    Your desire for Bahrain/UAE America is unmasked and you’re embarrassed.

Good news though.  This Buffalo situation is a real opportunity for your guy Joe to turnaround those horrid polling numbers.  Congrats!


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tapout noted

Some day you'll accept your reality.   

I'm pulling for you.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2022, 12:45:02 PM
I am rather transparent in my desire to reform our immigration laws and create legal pathways for the laborers our economy is already dependent on


I just wish you were more transparent about your racist/xenophobic ideologies
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 17, 2022, 12:55:03 PM
Dax is certainly cryptic, but I'm not sure that there is a more transparent poster on this blogsite
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 17, 2022, 01:40:10 PM
I did nazi the pivot to unity and against divisiveness coming.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
Just a big congrats to #blueanonGe, it looks like your movement is marshaling all of its forces to turn the deaths of 10 people in Buffalo into a real political win.

Biden's poll numbers in the tank, food shortages, the world closer to nuclear war, inflation, generational #blueanon strongholds turning into even bigger shitholes, rampant crime. 

Roe v Wade and now this.  #chefskiss across the board from #blueanon political and thought leaders.   :thumbsup:

Photo Ops abound!

#blueanon:  Never letting mass murder go to waste (as long as they can portray it as being carried out by their political enemies, if not, bury it!)

Oh, and don't forget to vote yes for perpetual war! 








Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kid In the Hall on May 17, 2022, 01:51:06 PM
The "manifesto" is an insult to all things manifesto.   It is the screed(s) of a crazy person who spent time undergoing psychiatric evaluation a year ago. 

I would not be surprised to learn that dax has a manifesto posted online somewhere.

That's goEMAW dot com!

Pretty sure it's www.daxthoughts.gov.www/daxthoughts
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 17, 2022, 02:32:05 PM
I did nazi the pivot to unity and against divisiveness coming.

Biden called white supremacy a poison today. That kind of divisive rhetoric will not stand.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 02:47:25 PM
The problem is rage, is that easily manipulated #blueanon have turned the label of "white supremacy" on to anyone who simply doesn't agree with the politics of #blueanon.

I know you'll never understand that because you're fully indoctrinated, but for others on the fringes of going full #blueanon derp, that is something to consider.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 17, 2022, 03:08:29 PM
The problem is rage, is that easily manipulated #blueanon have turned the label of "white supremacy" on to anyone who simply doesn't agree with the politics of #blueanon.

I know you'll never understand that because you're fully indoctrinated, but for others on the fringes of going full #blueanon derp, that is something to consider.

The dude wrote n-word on the gun he used to murder black people. JFC, dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 03:18:00 PM
The problem is rage, is that easily manipulated #blueanon have turned the label of "white supremacy" on to anyone who simply doesn't agree with the politics of #blueanon.

I know you'll never understand that because you're fully indoctrinated, but for others on the fringes of going full #blueanon derp, that is something to consider.

The dude wrote n-word on the gun he used to murder black people. JFC, dax.

I wasn't even talking about that dude.

You need to go off for a few days and take a break.  Your level of dipshit in the last few days has exceeded your previous body of dipshitiness by 10 fold.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 17, 2022, 03:41:39 PM
The problem is rage, is that easily manipulated #blueanon have turned the label of "white supremacy" on to anyone who simply doesn't agree with the politics of #blueanon.

I know you'll never understand that because you're fully indoctrinated, but for others on the fringes of going full #blueanon derp, that is something to consider.

The dude wrote n-word on the gun he used to murder black people. JFC, dax.

I wasn't even talking about that dude.

You need to go off for a few days and take a break.  Your level of dipshit in the last few days has exceeded your previous body of dipshitiness by 10 fold.

You seem inclined to make every subject about something other than the subject at hand (i.e., "everything, everywhere, all at once"). We are discussing here the Buffalo shooter. Biden's comments were made in this context. So I guess I'll ask you a direct question, which you probably won't answer directly: is the Buffalo shooter a racist, white supremacist?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 04:03:44 PM
The problem is rage, is that easily manipulated #blueanon have turned the label of "white supremacy" on to anyone who simply doesn't agree with the politics of #blueanon.

I know you'll never understand that because you're fully indoctrinated, but for others on the fringes of going full #blueanon derp, that is something to consider.

The dude wrote n-word on the gun he used to murder black people. JFC, dax.

I wasn't even talking about that dude.

You need to go off for a few days and take a break.  Your level of dipshit in the last few days has exceeded your previous body of dipshitiness by 10 fold.

You seem inclined to make every subject about something other than the subject at hand (i.e., "everything, everywhere, all at once"). We are discussing here the Buffalo shooter. Biden's comments were made in this context. So I guess I'll ask you a direct question, which you probably won't answer directly: is the Buffalo shooter a racist, white supremacist?

The Buffalo shooter was a mentally disabled person who at least in one facet of his psychosis was predisposed to racism.

But don't give me this bullshit about any's.   You, and the rest of #blueanonGe launch into broadbrush thought process idiocy immediately. 

As we learn more information about this situation there were clear and immediate signs of mental instability and this kid, while still a minor still could have been processed through New York State's Red Flag laws with an entire checklist of items to support validity for entry into that process.   In fact, state officials are now placing this case under review for possible failure to follow processes.    Educators warned them, and they failed. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 17, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
he was a racist who had access to assault weapons
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: hjfklmor on May 17, 2022, 04:23:04 PM
he was a racist who had access to assault weapons

Nah he was just predisposed to racism and shooting people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 05:22:45 PM
He told his teacher that for his summer break was he was going to kill people and commit suicide.   They reported it to the authorities, they failed to complete the process, it is under review by the State of NY.   

Based on the responses, we can easily ascertain that #blueanonGe believes that he was a completely sane person who simply acted as he was instructed to do by Tucker Carlson.

Using the same logic in another example, a single example among many.   We can conclude that James Hodgkinson acted solely on the instructions of Rachel "Alex Jones Jr." Maddow and the anti-Trump/anti-Republican groups that he belonged to on social media.   The beliefs of Rachel "Alex Jones Jr" Maddow, the beliefs those anti-Trump/Republican groups on social media and the beliefs that James Hodgkinson had were believed by millions of #blueanon and the whole of #blueanonGe, and are still believed by the whole of #blueanon and #blueanonGe to this day.    Thus colletively they drove James Hodgkinson to a mass shooting rampage that was only averted by sheer luck.    Afterall, he calmly asked a passer by what political party was on the ball field, clearly a man with all of his mental faculties fully in tact and methodically acting on his desires as amplified by Rachel "Alex Jones Jr." Maddow and #blueanon. 

Normal people on the other hand rightly concluded that James Hodgkinson was a crazy person, with severe mental issues.   

#blueanon and #blueanonGe are not normal people.

But all of that aside.  I once again call on #blueanonGe to set aside all of the politics and join me in calling on our President (mentally incapacitated as he is), his controllers, and our Congress to stop the vote on sending more weapons to Ukraine.   Instead, taking that $40 billion dollars and begin attacking the mental challenges that stricken millions of the citizens of these United States.

Please affirm your support of this initiative below.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 05:55:49 PM
Ahmad Alissa, who BTW is still considered too mentally incompetent to stand trial, was a very much an anti-Trumper, he posted anti-Trump posts on social media (now deleted), he spoke often about Trump's handling of Syria and of Syrian refugees (strangely didn't seem bothered by the politicians who helped create most of those refugee's, but that's another story for another time).    He ranted about Trump's hold over his constituency (Obama like?  I digress).   He often posted about how Trump won the 2016 election due to racism (obviously the racist electoral college).   Many of his posts were remarking on anti-Trump memes and on anti-Trump new stories.   

Using #blueanon/#blueanonGe logic we have no choice but too conclude that Alissa was motivated to commit a mass shooting by #blueanon media sources, be they mainstream or social. 

Normal people on the other hand concluded that Ahmad Alissa was a crazy person with a severe mental illness.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 17, 2022, 06:35:18 PM

Based on the responses, we can easily ascertain that #blueanonGe believes that he was a completely sane person who simply acted as he was instructed to do by Tucker Carlson.

I don’t believe Tucker’s target audience is completely sane people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 09:03:55 PM
Frank James shot 10 people, wounded another 20 people and intended to kill and wound many more.

Frank James is a racist, he spewed anti-white and black segregationist vitriol and put it on social media.   He called upon "Black Jesus" (his religious beliefs should clearly be an affront to most #blueanon) to kill all the whiteys.   He also claimed to not have very good will towards numerous other people of color.   His social media pages were linked to numerous entities like:  BLM, BLA, and the BP.   Many of the personal videos he posted on social media showed him sitting in front of CNN broadcasts.    He strongly disliked interracial marriage. 

Using #blueanon/#blueanonGe logic.  All of the before mentioned entities need to be held accountable for Frank James actions.   They are all at fault (using #blueanon/#blueanonGe logic). 

For the normal person (so not #blueanon/blueanonGe) Frank James is a seriously mentally disturbed person who was and is in dire need of a mental health intervention.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on May 17, 2022, 09:08:51 PM
Not really a school shooting, but there was a homicide in black bob park (151st & Black bob) in Olathe.  Its sounds like 4 juveniles were part of this (13 and 14 years old).  We saw one house near us get raided by swat on Sunday.  Crazy times here in the Beige Burrow of Johnson County.  As one would expect it has parents pretty shaken here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 17, 2022, 09:17:52 PM
Waiting for dax to bring up the shooting in white bob park.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 17, 2022, 09:23:19 PM
Ha


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 17, 2022, 09:26:10 PM
4 teens charged with first degree murder

At least the third time an Olathe kid has tried to rob a drug dealer and someone got killed in the last 5 years or so.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on May 17, 2022, 09:37:00 PM
Waiting for dax to bring up the shooting in white bob park.
Black Bob park named after a Chief of a Shawnee Indian tribe (just in case we need to have clarification)

https://www.olatheks.org/visitors/historical-street-names
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2022, 09:46:13 PM
Waiting for the day that #trimdork makes one intelligent post.

In Birmingham we wake up to the news of about 4 to 6 shootings a night, taking the AL.com news covering the whole state, take that number x2 or x3.  In the primary county of the BHAM metro there's already been over 60 homicides this year.

Once again before the usual suspects attempt to come at me about 2A, I'm not for anything goes 2A.   Mandatory minimums, higher levels of licensure, banning certain types of guns, banning certain types of ammo, banning certain types of accessories . . . I"m all for it.

A dude just got convicted for killing a nursing student at UAB.   Shot a .350 pistol round through the trunk of the car, through the back seat of the car, through the seat she was sitting in, through her body and through the dashboard all the way to the firewall (the one in cars).     Nobody needs to be able to buy a .350 pistol.   

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 17, 2022, 09:51:17 PM
Waiting for dax to bring up the shooting in white bob park.
Black Bob park named after a Chief of a Shawnee Indian tribe (just in case we need to have clarification)

https://www.olatheks.org/visitors/historical-street-names

We do not need clarification.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on May 17, 2022, 09:53:00 PM
Waiting for dax to bring up the shooting in white bob park.
Black Bob park named after a Chief of a Shawnee Indian tribe (just in case we need to have clarification)

https://www.olatheks.org/visitors/historical-street-names

We do not need clarification.
LOL
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2022, 10:00:51 PM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

I do find it incredibly ironic that you demand a pointed answer to a question on this board when you make it a point to never answer any question asked of you.

Anyway, no scumbag white supremacists shouldn't be killed by the government. If someone in the prison decides to take it upon themselves to rid the world of this [redacted], then oh well. Play stupid games...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2022, 10:13:47 PM
It's interesting that the resident gE maga population feels the need to let everyone know that that no one actually cares about the victims in Buffalo.

Great point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2022, 10:41:00 PM
I really hate this rough ridin' topic, because I hate guns to literal death and I want this mother rough rider pos racist to burn alive. I think access to guns have sucked to both sides of the platform, I’ve met in life. Not so long ago, MIR mentioned gunning down any MAGA he’s ever met, but on the flip side, I had a gun to my head on a simple weed interaction that I was a bystander for, for a friend, because I look like a white breaded narc. Semis need outlawed all around. Background checks need to enhance and repeat offenders need to stay in jail.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2022, 10:49:53 PM

Strange, I didn’t see much out of #blueanonGe/#neoconGe after the Brooklyn subway mass shooting.


Dax isn't a racist but instead of showing disgust over a very clear case of a hate crime that was very clearly a hate crime or showing even a shred of empathy for the victims he played the whataboutism card. Mind you he didn't even compare this to a mass shooting hate crime, the Brooklyn subway shooting wasn't that, he only made the comparison because the Brooklyn shooter is black, and he feels that the media, people on social media, and people on this board don't see the shooters in the same light.

This dude murdered 10 people while having the word n-word on his gun, and dax is wondering why we aren't talking about him the same way we talked about a person who publicly discussed his mental health struggles and intentionally shot people, off all races, in the legs.

This is so 1000% on brand for MIR.   The Brooklyn shooter was on video spewing racist vitriol.

The dude in Buffalo shot white people as well, and I'm sure he's completely 1000% sane and had no mental issues whatsoever.   In a surprise to no one the police were "aware" of this guy   I also notice that as of this morning none of those arrested in Milwaukee have had their identity released.   

Just admit that the great concern is driven by signaling, symbolism and politics.   There is no real concern for the victims and families, this is all about political points.    MIR showing up is almost 95% driven by the color of the skin involved.   You're always going to look to make an excuse based on skin color. 

I'm sure the President will be making a trip to Sacramento next . . .

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57

I can't let this post go. You are unimaginably cruel. What a piece of crap you are.

How is he being cruel?  He made several valid points which outrages some because there might be truth in what was said? He also said there is 'no real concern for the victims or families' which is accurate because we know the news outlets don't give a crap at all about anyone but just want the ratings.

This guy is a racist POS and should get the death penalty as far as I'm concerned.  He was a fan of another racist psychotic so the sooner they put these idiots down the better.

You give Dax crap but allow other dbags on here a pass when they claim he killed because of republican ideals???  wtf??  That is truly unhinged.  I also find it funny that people on here claim it was "Tucker" driven?   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)  That kid has no idea who Tucker is.

hey perp i'll attempt to clarify for you a bit...when it comes to the crap espoused in that manifesto...its not that ALL tuckerbro magas say that crap...its that, ONLY, tuckerbro magas say that crap. I hope that helps? but let me know if you have any further questions

That's very generous. It's replacement theory, it's not him saying that he thinks Pepsi is better than Coke. You can't be a fan/follower of someone who believes in replacement theory and either not believe it yourself or are perfectly okay with the person shoving it in your face.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
I really hate this rough ridin' topic, because I hate guns to literal death and I want this mother rough rider pos racist to burn alive. I think access to guns have sucked to both sides of the platform, I’ve met in life. Not so long ago, MIR mentioned gunning down any MAGA he’s ever met, but on the flip side, I had a gun to my head on a simple weed interaction that I was a bystander for, for a friend, because I look like a white breaded narc. Semis need outlawed all around. Background checks need to enhance and repeat offenders need to stay in jail.

I'll find the post and repost it myself but I'm telling you now this is a misquote and you're placing it out of context.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2022, 11:03:49 PM
I really hate this rough ridin' topic, because I hate guns to literal death and I want this mother rough rider pos racist to burn alive. I think access to guns have sucked to both sides of the platform, I’ve met in life. Not so long ago, MIR mentioned gunning down any MAGA he’s ever met, but on the flip side, I had a gun to my head on a simple weed interaction that I was a bystander for, for a friend, because I look like a white breaded narc. Semis need outlawed all around. Background checks need to enhance and repeat offenders need to stay in jail.

I'll find the post and repost it myself but I'm telling you now this is a misquote and you're placing it out of context.
You made a post about a civil war with anyone who voted “right” aka MAGA now on this board and you’d kill these dudes in combat in a civil war if it came down to it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2022, 11:08:47 PM
I’m also sure it was out of context too, just hate it all around.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2022, 11:30:05 PM
I’m also sure it was out of context too, just hate it all around.

You actually were pretty spot on with the quote and the context.
So dax, your reaction to a poll that says 30% of "YOUR SIDE" (using dax lingo) thinks political violence is necessary is to laugh at people who do not think political violence is necessary?

OK.

You won't answer this, because you never do.   But you're living in fantasy land if you don't think there's substantial elements of #blueanon who haven't and won't resort to violence.

Hoo boy, I'd purge every single bigoted MAGAt without a second thought. Wipe them the eff out.

See the difference is we'd wipe out the bigots and we would be in a utopia, for at least a month. MAGA would never be happy and just keep killing their own. They'd then kill the mouthy women like Tomi Lauren and Kristi Noem. They'd also kill the coons like Terrence K. Williams, those light skinned twins,, and that coon that made the Let's Go Brandon rap. Milo Y., dead. Alex Jones, dead, Greg Abbott and Madison Cawthorn, dead.

The motherfuckers tried to hang THEIR vice president. If MAGA got off their old, fat, lazy asses to start a civil war, they'd never stop killing each other.

Guess what. I stand right by it. These people either explicitly or by acquiesce or complicity are willing to at the very least, accept discrimination of marginalized groups, a rolling back of civil rights of all citizens of the world is unacceptable under any circumstance, to me. This is zero sum. There's no, well she hates transgender people but she gives millions to St. Jude's. None of that other crap matters if you aren't willing to let people live fulfilled, happy, carefree lives.

If you want to compare that to someone who killed old black people grocery shopping, or old black people at Bible study, or old Jewish people at synagogue, or gay people hanging at the club on Saturday night, or Mexican Americans doing the most American act of shopping at Walmart, or Asian American women working to feed their families, that's your cross to bear, not mine. I'm perfectly fine saying that the world would be better off without people who slaughter brown people, or gay people, or women and people not willing to do whatever it takes to make sure these murders aren't enabled, aren't made to feel like their feelings of hate are so abhorrent that they shouldn't be expressed or even thought about.

We need to get to the point where the person who says "orientals should go back to China" should be viewed the same as someone who says "I'm going to kill these people because they are trying to replace our standing in this country."

I'm sick of people getting murdered because the amount of melanin in their skin or who they love. I'm not going to apologize for calling for extreme measures to rid the earth of bigots.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 17, 2022, 11:56:40 PM
I’m also sure it was out of context too, just hate it all around.

You actually were pretty spot on with the quote and the context.
So dax, your reaction to a poll that says 30% of "YOUR SIDE" (using dax lingo) thinks political violence is necessary is to laugh at people who do not think political violence is necessary?

OK.

You won't answer this, because you never do.   But you're living in fantasy land if you don't think there's substantial elements of #blueanon who haven't and won't resort to violence.

Hoo boy, I'd purge every single bigoted MAGAt without a second thought. Wipe them the eff out.

See the difference is we'd wipe out the bigots and we would be in a utopia, for at least a month. MAGA would never be happy and just keep killing their own. They'd then kill the mouthy women like Tomi Lauren and Kristi Noem. They'd also kill the coons like Terrence K. Williams, those light skinned twins,, and that coon that made the Let's Go Brandon rap. Milo Y., dead. Alex Jones, dead, Greg Abbott and Madison Cawthorn, dead.

The motherfuckers tried to hang THEIR vice president. If MAGA got off their old, fat, lazy asses to start a civil war, they'd never stop killing each other.

Guess what. I stand right by it. These people either explicitly or by acquiesce or complicity are willing to at the very least, accept discrimination of marginalized groups, a rolling back of civil rights of all citizens of the world is unacceptable under any circumstance, to me. This is zero sum. There's no, well she hates transgender people but she gives millions to St. Jude's. None of that other crap matters if you aren't willing to let people live fulfilled, happy, carefree lives.

If you want to compare that to someone who killed old black people grocery shopping, or old black people at Bible study, or old Jewish people at synagogue, or gay people hanging at the club on Saturday night, or Mexican Americans doing the most American act of shopping at Walmart, or Asian American women working to feed their families, that's your cross to bear, not mine. I'm perfectly fine saying that the world would be better off without people who slaughter brown people, or gay people, or women and people not willing to do whatever it takes to make sure these murders aren't enabled, aren't made to feel like their feelings of hate are so abhorrent that they shouldn't be expressed or even thought about.

We need to get to the point where the person who says "orientals should go back to China" should be viewed the same as someone who says "I'm going to kill these people because they are trying to replace our standing in this country."

I'm sick of people getting murdered because the amount of melanin in their skin or who they love. I'm not going to apologize for calling for extreme measures to rid the earth of bigots.
I said none of these things, but I told you I got held at gun point for being a white piece of bread narc as a accomplice, that was there for a friend who needed some weed and you chose to oversee the point. So I guess we can agree stereotypes are a thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 18, 2022, 01:36:31 AM
Didn't oversee it, just not connecting the relevance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 18, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

I do find it incredibly ironic that you demand a pointed answer to a question on this board when you make it a point to never answer any question asked of you.

Anyway, no scumbag white supremacists shouldn't be killed by the government. If someone in the prison decides to take it upon themselves to rid the world of this [redacted], then oh well. Play stupid games...

I answer questions all the time, and as always you miss it.

Not in direct response to you.

I just wish that the #blueanon POS from leadership on down would just be truthful for once and admit that they have a level of extreme ghoulishness when they pick and chose mass shootings in order to try and score political points.   

Everyone already understands that, so just stop with the bullshit fake concern about the victims and just admit that it's all about the politics.   That includes multiple members of #blueanonGe


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 18, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

I do find it incredibly ironic that you demand a pointed answer to a question on this board when you make it a point to never answer any question asked of you.

Anyway, no scumbag white supremacists shouldn't be killed by the government. If someone in the prison decides to take it upon themselves to rid the world of this [redacted], then oh well. Play stupid games...

I answer questions all the time, and as always you miss it.

Not in direct response to you.

I just wish that the #blueanon POS from leadership on down would just be truthful for once and admit that they have a level of extreme ghoulishness when they pick and chose mass shootings in order to try and score political points.   

Everyone already understands that, so just stop with the bullshit fake concern about the victims and just admit that it's all about the politics.   That includes multiple members of #blueanonGe

I'd be interested to know what mass shootings that were either hate based or had more than 5 murders, or both, that you consider whoever the eff #blueanon is, ignored because there weren't enough political points to be scored.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 18, 2022, 11:55:22 AM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

I do find it incredibly ironic that you demand a pointed answer to a question on this board when you make it a point to never answer any question asked of you.

Anyway, no scumbag white supremacists shouldn't be killed by the government. If someone in the prison decides to take it upon themselves to rid the world of this [redacted], then oh well. Play stupid games...

I answer questions all the time, and as always you miss it.

Not in direct response to you.

I just wish that the #blueanon POS from leadership on down would just be truthful for once and admit that they have a level of extreme ghoulishness when they pick and chose mass shootings in order to try and score political points.   

Everyone already understands that, so just stop with the bullshit fake concern about the victims and just admit that it's all about the politics.   That includes multiple members of #blueanonGe

I'd be interested to know what mass shootings that were either hate based or had more than 5 murders, or both, that you consider whoever the eff #blueanon is, ignored because there weren't enough political points to be scored.

So we're putting a count on the dead now?    If it's less than 5, we're just gonna ignore it?   :thumbsup:

#blueanon is the leadership of your party and all of it's thought leaders trickling down to the millions of rank and file, who have espoused one nutjob conspiracy after another for years now.   This has been explained repeatedly.

I've already discussed several.   Wisconsin, Brooklyn Subway, Congressional Park Shooting, Sacramento Church Shooting (that shitbag Swalwell was on Twitter within minutes blaming Republicans)    I'm an action, not a body count ghoul. 






Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 18, 2022, 01:51:14 PM
Please respond below affirming that the dude in Buffalo should get the death penalty.

I do find it incredibly ironic that you demand a pointed answer to a question on this board when you make it a point to never answer any question asked of you.

Anyway, no scumbag white supremacists shouldn't be killed by the government. If someone in the prison decides to take it upon themselves to rid the world of this [redacted], then oh well. Play stupid games...

I answer questions all the time, and as always you miss it.

Not in direct response to you.

I just wish that the #blueanon POS from leadership on down would just be truthful for once and admit that they have a level of extreme ghoulishness when they pick and chose mass shootings in order to try and score political points.   

Everyone already understands that, so just stop with the bullshit fake concern about the victims and just admit that it's all about the politics.   That includes multiple members of #blueanonGe

I'd be interested to know what mass shootings that were either hate based or had more than 5 murders, or both, that you consider whoever the eff #blueanon is, ignored because there weren't enough political points to be scored.

So we're putting a count on the dead now?    If it's less than 5, we're just gonna ignore it?   :thumbsup:

#blueanon is the leadership of your party and all of it's thought leaders trickling down to the millions of rank and file, who have espoused one nutjob conspiracy after another for years now.   This has been explained repeatedly.

I've already discussed several.   Wisconsin, Brooklyn Subway, Congressional Park Shooting, Sacramento Church Shooting (that shitbag Swalwell was on Twitter within minutes blaming Republicans)    I'm an action, not a body count ghoul.

What is "Wisconsin?" Are you talking about the guy who ran over those people at the Christmas parade? Interesting that you brought this up in this context, that's another white supremacy talking point espoused by the Buffalo shooter.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-waukesha-parade-victims-names-on-rifle-used-by-payton-gendron-in-buffalo-tops-market-massacre
Guess we know why you won't strongly disavow the shooter without a "yeah but."

By the way, Biden did speak about the Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre. You claim not to be a ghoul then literally the next sentence compared one mass murder to another then claimed race informed the presidents response to the murders.

Yeah, there has to be a body count for the rough ridin' President of the United States to show up. This is America, we literally gave multiple mass shootings every rough ridin' day. Context matters. The only one of those shootings you mentioned resulted in any deaths and that was Sacramento which wasn't a random act of violence, it was domestic violence.

Why didn't you level this critique of Trump when he spoke about El Paso and the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting but not any of the other daily mass shootings that occurred while he was president?

Do you get angry at presidents for not speaking about every single national disaster? Do you still harbor resentment at Reagan for not talking about every single plane crash in the 80s?

You keep acting like everyone else is motivated by race, while parroting white supremacy talking points. You're a hit dog that hollers every time you spit out a response.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 18, 2022, 03:48:31 PM
What is "Wisconsin?" Are you talking about the guy who ran over those people at the Christmas parade? Interesting that you brought this up in this context, that's another white supremacy talking point espoused by the Buffalo shooter.  What the insane person said in his 180 page screed is immaterial to this discussion.    But if you want to go there, he said he wanted to cause a constitutional crisis with the 2nd Amendment.    But it's super weird when it's a mass shooter/mass murder situation that makes #blueanon uncomfortable, #blueanon always manages to conjure up the soft landing, always grinds hard towards the alternative explanation.   It's really fascinating.   But if it's a mass shooting/mass murder event that #blueanon believes they can make political gains on, you guys have it all explained and figured out before the scene of the crime is cleared  :thumbsup: 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-waukesha-parade-victims-names-on-rifle-used-by-payton-gendron-in-buffalo-tops-market-massacre
Guess we know why you won't strongly disavow the shooter without a "yeah but."   :lol: :lol: I don't have a yeah but for that, I already proposed the death penalty.   Can't ever seem to follow along.

By the way, Biden did speak about the Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre. You claim not to be a ghoul then literally the next sentence compared one mass murder to another then claimed race informed the presidents response to the murders. Oh, gosh, he spoke about it, my point wasn't about speaking about these kinds of things.  It was about the PhotoOp event.   Biden wasn't touching that in WI.

Yeah, there has to be a body count for the rough ridin' President of the United States to show up. This is America, we literally gave multiple mass shootings every rough ridin' day. Context matters. The only one of those shootings you mentioned resulted in any deaths and that was Sacramento which wasn't a random act of violence, it was domestic violence.  I wasn't talking about body counts and the President showing up, I was talking about your ridiculous body count minimums.  The Sacramento Church shooting this last weekend was not a domestic situation, it was a racist attack by a mentally ill person.  It's being buried because the Perp was Chinese attacking Taiwanese church attendees.   Your boy Eric "Banging the Chinese Spy" Swalwell was blaming Republicans within minutes.   You need to keep up with the news better 

Why didn't you level this critique of Trump when he spoke about El Paso and the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting but not any of the other daily mass shootings that occurred while he was president?  I was talking specifically about the photoop events, I've made that very clear.   I just need you set a minimum death count for me, so I'll know when something can and can't be talked about. 

Do you get angry at presidents for not speaking about every single national disaster? Do you still harbor resentment at Reagan for not talking about every single plane crash in the 80s?    :lol: :lol:  what a stupid line.

You keep acting like everyone else is motivated by race, while parroting white supremacy talking points. You're a hit dog that hollers every time you spit out a response.  You call everything that isn't in line with your lunatic reality white supremacist and racist. You and the rest of your ilk have dumbed it down into the theater of the absurd.

I've already outlined in great detail how normal people (so not you) understand that these people are mentally ill.      Just admit that any situation like this that makes you angst laden relative to the perp and their politics your movement is going to work very hard to either bury it, or as I said, grind hard to find the alternative explanation, or find a way to blame it on someone else . . . on the right in most circumstances
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 19, 2022, 02:01:21 PM
holy crap making fun of replacement theory is the one thing you had better not do
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 19, 2022, 04:04:30 PM
I know you're doing your best #slowdug, this doesn't come easy for you. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2022, 08:28:15 AM
I know you're doing your best #slowdug, this doesn't come easy for you.

Killer response by a definitely not old brained boomer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 24, 2022, 02:46:01 PM
'Active shooter' reported at elementary school in Uvalde

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/active-shooter-reported-at-robb-elementary/273-cbf0d9be-d042-4557-a360-e2a3ad944a10?fbclid=IwAR106e0dhrzR3fhaKxZ8Y29vUmVsIHc0ctQjA-HW9FCoZpoCaDpvPy8ItY4
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on May 24, 2022, 03:38:48 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
14 children and a teacher. Absolutely horrific. This is what my nightmares are. God damnit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 24, 2022, 03:43:18 PM
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1529200166175227904?s=20&t=SNWH0Yet3QwfFwUEzHB5Zw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on May 24, 2022, 03:46:01 PM
Sickening   :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2022, 03:53:18 PM
no
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 24, 2022, 04:13:23 PM
Well regulated militia


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2022, 04:16:34 PM
This mother rough rider

https://twitter.com/kira_lerner/status/1529206142383144961
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 24, 2022, 04:56:47 PM
This happened less than an hour and half from where I am now. :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2022, 05:05:27 PM
Looks like another race targeted for mass execution in post-racial America.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 24, 2022, 05:10:26 PM
just, I hate it all. We'll never learn.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 24, 2022, 05:21:56 PM
Looks like another race targeted for mass execution in post-racial America.

Where are you seeing this?  It looks like the shooter is hispanic but there doesn't seem to be much else out there yet other than him hating his family maybe? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2022, 05:49:59 PM
The ambulances weren’t  even pulled away from the scene and the turd of the board was already making it about race and politics.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2022, 06:02:19 PM
Looks like another race targeted for mass execution in post-racial America.

Where are you seeing this?  It looks like the shooter is hispanic but there doesn't seem to be much else out there yet other than him hating his family maybe?

Some woman on CNN who is from the area. I don't know a thing about that community. I don't know who she was, made the point like 5 times in like 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2022, 06:05:51 PM
Look for that "woman on CNN" to get a severe reprimand.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2022, 06:07:36 PM
The ambulances weren’t  even pulled away from the scene and the turd of the board was already making it about race and politics.

No one, literally not a single person, said a word about politics. If there's one thing that I've been consistent about is that issues about race are not and cannot ever be seen as political.

If your reaction to someone pointing out that a lot of Hispanic children were murdered is get mad, call names, and build a strawman, that's all about you buddy, not the person or people you're raging about.

You can have the last word on this reply string, that you so desperately crave, I'm done with addressing this post.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2022, 06:15:16 PM
The ambulances weren’t  even pulled away from the scene and the turd of the board was already making it about race and politics.

No one, literally not a single person, said a word about politics. If there's one thing that I've been consistent about is that issues about race are not and cannot ever be seen as political.

If your reaction to someone pointing out that a lot of Hispanic children were murdered is get mad, call names, and build a strawman, that's all about you buddy, not the person or people you're raging about.

You can have the last word on this reply string, that you so desperately crave, I'm done with addressing this post.

Don't lie.   You'll be all over race every time something like this happens and you feel as though it will advance your political agenda.

That's standard #blueanonGe operating procedure.   

You made no mention that "some woman on CNN" was emphasizing that the shooter was Hispanic.   That's completely outside of the norm for #blueanon got to media whenever the mass shooters are not white. 



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 24, 2022, 06:35:08 PM
Looks like another race targeted for mass execution in post-racial America.

Where are you seeing this?  It looks like the shooter is hispanic but there doesn't seem to be much else out there yet other than him hating his family maybe?

Some woman on CNN who is from the area. I don't know a thing about that community. I don't know who she was, made the point like 5 times in like 10 minutes.

Then shame on CNN for allowing this to air especially if there is no merit to the story.  It would be pretty easy to rip CNN but we know all the outlets do it and therein lies one of the many problems with these school shootings.

It would be nice if this didn't get blown up so much every time it happens.   :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)  Incredibly sickening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2022, 06:49:26 PM
30th shooting at a k-12 school THIS rough ridin' YEAR!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 24, 2022, 06:57:37 PM
The town is 80% Hispanic and the shooter was Hispanic. Now back to this tragedy at hand.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2022, 07:05:40 PM
18 children and 3 adults now. rough ridin' damnit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 24, 2022, 07:52:33 PM
He killed his grandma before heading to the school too. Real POS!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2022, 07:57:33 PM
30th shooting at a k-12 school THIS rough ridin' YEAR!

Jesus. Thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2022, 08:36:22 PM
Hug your kids for real.  I feel like maybe this might be the one to get changes started
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2022, 08:38:08 PM
Hug your kids for real.  I feel like maybe this might be the one to get changes started

I feel authenticity in this post, but do you really, though?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 24, 2022, 08:38:35 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 24, 2022, 08:50:02 PM
Hug your kids for real.  I feel like maybe this might be the one to get changes started

Reading comments off of Facebook, I have seen suggestions to move school to 100% at home and to lock school down like a prison where no one can enter or leave during the day. Not seeing any suggestions to change gun laws.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 24, 2022, 08:52:23 PM
https://twitter.com/nancyayoussef/status/1529273821236277248?s=20&t=9VgCTPvhl9pWqexuczH_Nw

https://twitter.com/ZaraRahim/status/1529224827646648320?s=20&t=9VgCTPvhl9pWqexuczH_Nw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 09:54:49 PM
don't think it would change the politics, but i kinda agree.

https://twitter.com/evan7257/status/1529293433277497346

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1529283083639394306
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on May 24, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/1529255082914725888?s=21&t=rXRYO-CWddRKLBNSOXdo5w
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 24, 2022, 10:11:38 PM
don't think it would change the politics, but i kinda agree.

https://twitter.com/evan7257/status/1529293433277497346

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1529283083639394306
Yep. Just like every cop shooting should be aired unedited on the ten o'clock news
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 24, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/1529255082914725888?s=21&t=rXRYO-CWddRKLBNSOXdo5w

wtf
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 02:35:58 AM
Shall not be infringed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 25, 2022, 06:44:26 AM
https://twitter.com/ndelriego/status/1529302566911213568?s=21&t=E1mWh__TMiSCVVBAFT59vA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 25, 2022, 07:15:54 AM
That thread was heartbreaking and everyone should look at it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 08:29:18 AM
Jesus. He singled out one single room.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1529439946506895361?s=20&t=rEgaApOogArVX52jgLqmMA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 09:00:36 AM
I can't even fathom that room
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on May 25, 2022, 09:10:14 AM
i don't even know how to react to these anymore. nothing will change, we'll all just wait around for the next one crossing our fingers that we aren't directly impacted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
i don't even know how to react to these anymore. nothing will change, we'll all just wait around for the next one crossing our fingers that we aren't directly impacted.
Freedom ain’t free. Thank you to the chiefs children who continue to lay down their lives for our right to own giant rough ridin' guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
This happens often enough that I see it as our gun policy working as intended. If more than half of us didn't want these kids to die, we'd at least try to do something to stop it from happening.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on May 25, 2022, 09:20:37 AM
the us isn't an outlier for mental health, it's not an outlier for violent movies or video games. it's an outlier for guns. and we are so far down the rabbit hole with guns that we will never come back. this is our normal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 09:29:41 AM
the us isn't an outlier for mental health, it's not an outlier for violent movies or video games. it's an outlier for guns. and we are so far down the rabbit hole with guns that we will never come back. this is our normal.

Yup, I typed a long thing but deleted it last night cause it was getting to depressing and hopeless writing it. When we decided with Sandy Hook that instead of a bunch of kids dying it was a bunch of crisis actors and SHALL NOT INFRINGED was more important the plot was forever lost. This is what we chose, and this is what we will have to deal with
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 09:30:01 AM
First step is to ban semi automatic weapons. Not sure how you can do this though. It's not like you can go door to door trying to take the people who own these guns away. They'll start a civil war. I've  spoken to some of these freaks in Louisiana.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 09:34:25 AM
First step is to ban semi automatic weapons. Not sure how you can do this though. It's not like you can go door to door trying to take the people who own these guns away. They'll start a civil war. I've  spoken to some of these freaks in Louisiana.

Stop selling them and make it illegal to carry them, so you can't even use them on a gun range. Then offer to buy them back.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2022, 09:35:39 AM
First step is to ban semi automatic weapons. Not sure how you can do this though. It's not like you can go door to door trying to take the people who own these guns away. They'll start a civil war. I've  spoken to some of these freaks in Louisiana.

it would be tough but Australia managed to do exactly that after Port Arthur
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on May 25, 2022, 09:35:46 AM
I was dumb/naive enough to think that Sandy Hook might result in some sort of change.  Nope.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 09:37:58 AM
Require murder insurance on all firearms and pay $10 million per death in all murders and also cover all medical cost plus pain and suffering for survivors. Let the insurance companies set whatever premium that would require and charge it for every gun you own.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2022, 09:38:07 AM
I think it's safe to say that the majority are unaware that this is a legit interpretation and would also fully accept it.

https://twitter.com/TimKarr/status/1529308464039731200
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
Biggest reason I've heard why people from the south love these guns, is for mass destruction when it comes to hog hunting. I can't even imagine why this gets your rocks off so much, but i'm not trying to make up for a small penis with big trucks and semi automatic guns. I do it like a real man and workout.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 09:39:56 AM
Require murder insurance on all firearms and pay $10 million per death in all murders and also cover all medical cost plus pain and suffering for survivors. Let the insurance companies set whatever premium that would require and charge it for every gun you own.

Yes.  Problem is that would be considered "infringing" and the absolute freaks on our SC would most certainly strike it down.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 09:49:56 AM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on May 25, 2022, 10:11:08 AM
I suspect that the constitution and bill of rights would be worse (for the author of that post) if written today.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 10:12:44 AM
I suspect that the constitution and bill of rights would be worse (for the author of that post) if written today.

Yeah. We're so entirely boned.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2022, 10:22:50 AM
i don't even know how to react to these anymore. nothing will change, we'll all just wait around for the next one crossing our fingers that we aren't directly impacted.

I have a very callous take on it and that is that I don't care any more, it's a waste of energy and resources because it won't change. We kill way more people with our health care system and I think that has more political feasibility to change in a meaningful way than gun control.

I suspect that the constitution and bill of rights would be worse (for the author of that post) if written today.

I don't think so because you wouldn't have the weird imbalance of power that small states have. Of course you could never overcome that so it's a nonstarter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 10:25:08 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on May 25, 2022, 10:26:31 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Probably not the best thread for that. Take it to one of the blue anon threads.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 10:29:02 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 10:30:35 AM
That’s fine. Please adjust where it needs to be. I talk to International docs trying to get employment here daily, that are jealous AF you us. Mods, please put wherever this should go.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 25, 2022, 10:31:12 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 10:34:04 AM
Require murder insurance on all firearms and pay $10 million per death in all murders and also cover all medical cost plus pain and suffering for survivors. Let the insurance companies set whatever premium that would require and charge it for every gun you own.

Yes.  Problem is that would be considered "infringing" and the absolute freaks on our SC would most certainly strike it down.

I like the insurance, but I'd also tax the ever living bejesus out of ammunition. Only don't have to pay the tax if bought and discharged at a licensed gun range or with a certain amount (like 50 rounds) with a hunting license.

The crux of the problem, besides a "gun" one is it's all right and absolutely no responsibility. No denunciations of using the weapon like that. No talks on how to be safe, care, store, etc. It's always MUH RIGHTS and nothing else.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 10:36:44 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2022, 10:40:29 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on May 25, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
That’s fine. Please adjust where it needs to be. I talk to International docs trying to get employment here daily, that are jealous AF you us. Mods, please put wherever this should go.

There definitely is no better place on earth to be a financially focused doctor.  That much the entire world agrees on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.
It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 10:41:48 AM
That’s fine. Please adjust where it needs to be. I talk to International docs trying to get employment here daily, that are jealous AF you us. Mods, please put wherever this should go.

I mean, you seriously don't think the right doesn't complain incessantly about a crap ton of things? Every work site I go to is a bitch fest 24/7/365 about what's wrong with the country and rarely do I agree with their assessment but sure.

(BTW I know you're just blowing off steam, it's just from my experience so much the opposite, but things like twitter make it seem this way).

FTR I tend to think that while complaining can and does come off as annoying, at least when done right shows you care. If you don't care you tend to not have opinions about things.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 10:46:06 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 10:50:43 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

I don't think the post was directed at you personally.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 10:53:36 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 10:58:44 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

That's great, for you. I'm glad you are. The problem is it rarely works for a lot of people. Society should work for people, not try and make things more difficult.

Once again, if you read my thing is my problem always is anytime you want to provide any sort of relief, it gets shut down. If you want happy healthy children, shouldn't there be healthcare they can access? What about the ability to get an education, regardless of their social status? Shouldn't we educate them on sex ed? The importance of family planning? All these things get shut down left and right. The answer is always trying to cut more out. FTR I would be fine if the answer was UBI, or at least some what to make someone know they have a support structure in place I don't need government run daycares either, but if you have a kid it shouldn't be some economic entrapment. I also fail to see "single payer healthcare" or "publicly funded schools" as "big gubment programs" but we can disagree. I'm sure you have in your mind some nanny state.

In my mind it's just patently insane to force someone who is having a kid to have their healthcare tied to their employment, then when they go through the physical toll of having a child and needing to be there with a human being at their absolutely most dependent part, say you only get 12 weeks off, and it's unpaid, when so you don't even haver anything to provide for them, so then you're forced to go back to work to provide for yourself and them and then have to try and find childcare which has either no subsidy or anything. Just put yourself in that, thing outside the box for once how entrapped that is. It's insane to think that is in anyway a good system. And then we wonder why kids are awful cause their parents are away having to just put food in their mouths.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 11:00:08 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.
I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 11:02:21 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 11:03:12 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

makes sense
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2022, 11:03:41 AM
The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 25, 2022, 11:05:23 AM
The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 11:09:41 AM
The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?

Guess
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 11:10:40 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

That's great, for you. I'm glad you are. The problem is it rarely works for a lot of people. Society should work for people, not try and make things more difficult.

Once again, if you read my thing is my problem always is anytime you want to provide any sort of relief, it gets shut down. If you want happy healthy children, shouldn't there be healthcare they can access? What about the ability to get an education, regardless of their social status? Shouldn't we educate them on sex ed? The importance of family planning? All these things get shut down left and right. The answer is always trying to cut more out. FTR I would be fine if the answer was UBI, or at least some what to make someone know they have a support structure in place I don't need government run daycares either, but if you have a kid it shouldn't be some economic entrapment. I also fail to see "single payer healthcare" or "publicly funded schools" as "big gubment programs" but we can disagree. I'm sure you have in your mind some nanny state.

In my mind it's just patently insane to force someone who is having a kid to have their healthcare tied to their employment, then when they go through the physical toll of having a child and needing to be there with a human being at their absolutely most dependent part, say you only get 12 weeks off, and it's unpaid, when so you don't even haver anything to provide for them, so then you're forced to go back to work to provide for yourself and them and then have to try and find childcare which has either no subsidy or anything. Just put yourself in that, thing outside the box for once how entrapped that is. It's insane to think that is in anyway a good system. And then we wonder why kids are awful cause their parents are away having to just put food in their mouths.

Health insurance tied to employment is insane. The tax deductibility of health insurance through your employer should be immediately ended. I would support a Singaporean-style health care system and this would result in coverage for everyone.

I'm never going to be in favor of mandatory paid leave or anything like that. That's going to benefit a lot of people who simply value having both parents work over staying home with their kids. I realize that's not the only group that would benefit, but they would, and I'm not going to support it. Everything else you mentioned like schooling and daycare could be solved through UBI.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 11:12:23 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.
I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.
I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?
I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 11:22:28 AM
Yeah, pro choice and UBI are consistent policies
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 11:22:59 AM
The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?

Guess
They gotta protect themselves from protestors. Duh!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 11:29:25 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.
It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 11:35:42 AM

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?
I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

I was more saying, who should I vote for?

There's a big difference between negative rights and positive rights. Saying a person has the right to not be killed is far different than saying a person has a right to receive anything. You may think it's hypocritical, but it's not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 11:38:21 AM

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?
I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

I was more saying, who should I vote for?

There's a big difference between negative rights and positive rights. Saying a person has the right to not be killed is far different than saying a person has a right to receive anything. You may think it's hypocritical, but it's not.

Name me a "negative right," and I guarantee I can rephrase it as a "positive right."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 11:38:53 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.
It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.

So, you're saying there are fewer cases and questions surrounding the Second Amendment?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 11:40:03 AM

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?
I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

I was more saying, who should I vote for?

There's a big difference between negative rights and positive rights. Saying a person has the right to not be killed is far different than saying a person has a right to receive anything. You may think it's hypocritical, but it's not.

Name me a "negative right," and I guarantee I can rephrase it as a "positive right."

Bully for you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 11:44:00 AM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.
It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.

So, you're saying there are fewer cases and questions surrounding the Second Amendment?

Did you know that the First Amendment right to free speech was never tested in earnest until after WWI? It was unexplored territory until then. What I'm saying is that it's never properly been interpreted. It is fertile ground for Constitutional jurisprudence, but good luck with that, given that we are about to throw out an unbroken 50 year line of cases affirming a right to privacy (Roe).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 25, 2022, 11:45:05 AM
Ghouls:

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1529459086152110082?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 11:57:51 AM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.
I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?

Decide which is worse for you. Facts almost always tend to show highest rates of abortions happen in countries that prohibit it, and where care for children is diminished. I'm not ever advocating or can ever promise that number will be 0 under any system, but I'd like to create a system that actually supports kids than make it terrible to have them. If being a parent is so important we must follow through on that.

If you have some sort of UBI, and clauses for it's use in case of health of the mother or rape/incest, I can then support more of a case of it's general banning. I can understand a moral argument against it all, but practically all who want to ban it offer no solutions, and you better have them or else it'll only get worse, not better.

FTR I really don't like abortion, I do not, but I never, ever see true, safe alternates besides it and it gets very old, and then people wonder why crap is so mumped up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 25, 2022, 11:58:47 AM
Ghouls:

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1529459086152110082?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g

Wonder how they feel about WFH in general, I thought it was all so much merde
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 25, 2022, 12:00:25 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1529471759149412355?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 12:06:58 PM
Ghoul crap

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1529500709607157761
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
Assault weapons are truly not banned, only a capability of assault weapons is banned.   

Assault style weapons, high capacity magazines and loading efficiency accessories need to be banned.    Semi Automatic pistols should require a higher level of Federal licensing and magazine capacity limited.   Weapons above a certain caliber need to be banned, I should not be able to walk into Galyan's and buy a .50 caliber sniper rifle.     But in my one an only visit to the one in OP/Leawood I could have done just that As I mentioned, no one should be able to buy a .350 semi-automatic pistol or similar.     The sale and ownership of military grade weapons needs to be banned outright.     Mandatory minimums need to be standardized across the board and loopholes closed.   Gun crimes prosecuted to the fullest extent. 

All that said, the over focus on guns is a detriment to the focus that needs to put on mental health.   The young man in Texas was in dire need of a mental health intervention.   

As a society we over glorify gun violence, and no, don't give this mocking T&P's bullshit.   We have entire industries that pocket billions propagating gun violence, death and destruction.      For example it's hard for me to take this Keanu Reeves is a great guy spiel seriously when he stars in one of the most gratuitously (gun) violent film series in movie making history.    I don't want to hear about some bullshit psychological study (that was probably proxy financed by the video gaming industry) about how violent video games don't have any impact on kids or mentally unstable adults.    There's no way certain minds can be fed that repeatedly and not be impacted. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 12:30:29 PM
The only time MAGA's bring up Mental Health is when there's been a tragedy with guns. I still remember my grandma giving me hell, because I went home the day President Bush came to speak at K-State, while I was in college. I was suffering with severe anxiety/depression/body dysmorphia at the time and she pretty much called me weak and embarrassing. Both sides play chess with this crap for their agendas and it makes me sick.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 12:58:34 PM
The only time MAGA's bring up Mental Health is when there's been a tragedy with guns. I still remember my grandma giving me hell, because I went home the day President Bush came to speak at K-State, while I was in college. I was suffering with severe anxiety/depression/body dysmorphia at the time and she pretty much called me weak and embarrassing. Both sides play chess with this crap for their agendas and it makes me sick.

surely she attended the speech.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 01:00:24 PM
The only time MAGA's bring up Mental Health is when there's been a tragedy with guns. I still remember my grandma giving me hell, because I went home the day President Bush came to speak at K-State, while I was in college. I was suffering with severe anxiety/depression/body dysmorphia at the time and she pretty much called me weak and embarrassing. Both sides play chess with this crap for their agendas and it makes me sick.

Sounds like your grandma is a real piece of work.   What grandmother says this to their grandchild?   Politics has nothing to do with this.

The Bush/Cheney #neocons are now fully assimilated into #blueanon



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 25, 2022, 01:03:49 PM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.
It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.

I was going to say hey wait what about Katko v Briney but i guess that only made it to the Iowa SC.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 25, 2022, 01:06:25 PM
Ghouls:

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1529459086152110082?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g

Wonder how they feel about WFH in general, I thought it was all so much merde
https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1529523582145122305?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 01:09:53 PM
The only time MAGA's bring up Mental Health is when there's been a tragedy with guns. I still remember my grandma giving me hell, because I went home the day President Bush came to speak at K-State, while I was in college. I was suffering with severe anxiety/depression/body dysmorphia at the time and she pretty much called me weak and embarrassing. Both sides play chess with this crap for their agendas and it makes me sick.

Yeah, when they aren't talking about gun control, they are trying to get rid of school counselors.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 01:11:59 PM
On the flip side we have an administration that's more than happy to send billions off to rough ridin' Ukraine (along with their willing accomplices Mitch McConnell and company) so Joe Biden and friends can get their rocks off trying to win a war against Russia via proxy.   

Meanwhile, our nations problems pile up like cord wood. 

So it's hilarious and sad to me to watch #blueanon lose their crap about a single tweet from a political commentary group that don't like, while they wave the Ukrainian flag and cheer for more war overseas.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 01:21:25 PM
Yeah, if we would just let Putin conquer Ukraine, someone would actually do something to prevent these shootings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 01:26:52 PM
Ghouls:

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1529459086152110082?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g

Wonder how they feel about WFH in general, I thought it was all so much merde
https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1529523582145122305?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g

So they were against closing schools during covid to in favor of closing schools to prevent your kid from being butchered.

What a bunch of absolute piles of crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 01:33:16 PM
Yeah, if we would just let Putin conquer Ukraine, someone would actually do something to prevent these shootings.

The sad irony is watching #blueanon rightfully be outraged about mass shootings in the United States, while at the same time openly calling for more weapons of war to be sent to Ukraine with virtually no calls for peace talks/negotiations.    Even worse, knowing that #blueanon welcomes the blank check of billions for Ukraine for more killing. 







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 01:40:30 PM
Yeah, if we would just let Putin conquer Ukraine, someone would actually do something to prevent these shootings.

The sad irony is watching #blueanon rightfully be outraged about mass shootings in the United States, while at the same time openly calling for more weapons of war to be sent to Ukraine with virtually no calls for peace talks/negotiations.    Even worse, knowing that #blueanon welcomes the blank check of billions for Ukraine for more killing.

We are so mumped as a nation that a world war might be necessary to bring us together, but even then, we'd probably eff it up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 01:52:43 PM
Yeah, if we would just let Putin conquer Ukraine, someone would actually do something to prevent these shootings.

The sad irony is watching #blueanon rightfully be outraged about mass shootings in the United States, while at the same time openly calling for more weapons of war to be sent to Ukraine with virtually no calls for peace talks/negotiations.    Even worse, knowing that #blueanon welcomes the blank check of billions for Ukraine for more killing.

That's only sad for morons with man boobs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 25, 2022, 02:07:58 PM
That’s fine. Please adjust where it needs to be. I talk to International docs trying to get employment here daily, that are jealous AF you us. Mods, please put wherever this should go.

There definitely is no better place on earth to be a financially focused doctor.  That much the entire world agrees on.

aint that the truth
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 25, 2022, 02:08:38 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

they ever go to a grocery store?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 02:08:54 PM
https://twitter.com/lospollostv/status/1529204203045982209
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 02:14:50 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

they ever go to a grocery store?

Yes, they very rarely go to a grocery store. They also venture outside sometimes during a thunderstorm.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
https://twitter.com/lospollostv/status/1529204203045982209

The typical school is in session about 180 days per year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 02:22:06 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

they ever go to a grocery store?

Yes, they very rarely go to a grocery store. They also venture outside sometimes during a thunderstorm.

Living life scared it sounds like.  Do they mask?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 02:27:15 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

they ever go to a grocery store?

Yes, they very rarely go to a grocery store. They also venture outside sometimes during a thunderstorm.

Living life scared it sounds like.  Do they mask?

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 02:35:28 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.
I’m personally much more comfortable with drastically restricting the availability of guns than preemptively arresting people for doing things that are currently legal.

And honestly with the gun worshiping culture in Texas and elsewhere, many of those facts only look suspicious in hindsight.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 02:36:13 PM
Schools, concerts, nightclubs, churches, grocery stores, movie theaters, etc. Where are you with your bingo card in 2022?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 02:41:06 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.
I’m personally much more comfortable with drastically restricting the availability of guns than preemptively arresting people for doing things that are currently legal.

And honestly with the gun worshiping culture in Texas and elsewhere, many of those facts only look suspicious in hindsight.

Who said anything about arrest?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
This happens often enough that I see it as our gun policy working as intended. If more than half of us didn't want these kids to die, we'd at least try to do something to stop it from happening.
Right? It's waaayyy past time to stop blaming politicians for this and all the other things about this country that's patently mumped up. Citizens need to hold other citizens accountable for inaction. Gun rights fanatics and the NRA hold such a tiny minority of this country, I'm not even sure they represent a majority of gun owners.

Continuing to elect people who won't fix this issue is worst than electing someone who comes out as pro meth. The 1997-98 school year had three mass school shootings, could you imagine if we as a country took this seriously back then? We wouldn't even know what ALICE drills are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 03:02:36 PM
This happens often enough that I see it as our gun policy working as intended. If more than half of us didn't want these kids to die, we'd at least try to do something to stop it from happening.
Right? It's waaayyy past time to stop blaming politicians for this and all the other things about this country that's patently mumped up. Citizens need to hold other citizens accountable for inaction. Gun rights fanatics and the NRA hold such a tiny minority of this country, I'm not even sure they represent a majority of gun owners.

Continuing to elect people who won't fix this issue is worst than electing someone who comes out as pro meth. The 1997-98 school year had three mass school shootings, could you imagine if we as a country took this seriously back then? We wouldn't even know what ALICE drills are.

What is an ALICE drill?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:07:32 PM
That’s fine. Please adjust where it needs to be. I talk to International docs trying to get employment here daily, that are jealous AF you us. Mods, please put wherever this should go.

There definitely is no better place on earth to be a financially focused doctor.  That much the entire world agrees on.
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:08:46 PM
This happens often enough that I see it as our gun policy working as intended. If more than half of us didn't want these kids to die, we'd at least try to do something to stop it from happening.
Right? It's waaayyy past time to stop blaming politicians for this and all the other things about this country that's patently mumped up. Citizens need to hold other citizens accountable for inaction. Gun rights fanatics and the NRA hold such a tiny minority of this country, I'm not even sure they represent a majority of gun owners.

Continuing to elect people who won't fix this issue is worst than electing someone who comes out as pro meth. The 1997-98 school year had three mass school shootings, could you imagine if we as a country took this seriously back then? We wouldn't even know what ALICE drills are.

What is an ALICE drill?

Active shooter drills done at schools, camps, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 03:10:36 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

they ever go to a grocery store?

Yes, they very rarely go to a grocery store. They also venture outside sometimes during a thunderstorm.

Living life scared it sounds like.  Do they mask?

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocerty store?

To go shopping with their parents and not live scared?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 03:11:30 PM
This happens often enough that I see it as our gun policy working as intended. If more than half of us didn't want these kids to die, we'd at least try to do something to stop it from happening.
Right? It's waaayyy past time to stop blaming politicians for this and all the other things about this country that's patently mumped up. Citizens need to hold other citizens accountable for inaction. Gun rights fanatics and the NRA hold such a tiny minority of this country, I'm not even sure they represent a majority of gun owners.

Continuing to elect people who won't fix this issue is worst than electing someone who comes out as pro meth. The 1997-98 school year had three mass school shootings, could you imagine if we as a country took this seriously back then? We wouldn't even know what ALICE drills are.

What is an ALICE drill?

Active shooter drills done at schools, camps, etc.

Ok. I found that the acronym stands for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evacuate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 03:12:43 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

To go shopping with their parents and not live scared?

My kids don't live scared, but do not consider going to the grocery store to be an enjoyable experience.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2022, 03:12:57 PM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

I'm a citizen and speak the language so it's easy and convenient for me to find employment. I interviewed for a job in Canada once and there are a lot of hoops to jump through!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:13:26 PM
The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?

Guess

NAAGA should show up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:19:54 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:20:35 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

they ever go to a grocery store?

Yes, they very rarely go to a grocery store. They also venture outside sometimes during a thunderstorm.

Living life scared it sounds like.  Do they mask?

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

You are fascinating
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

The only time MAGA's bring up Mental Health is when there's been a tragedy with guns. I still remember my grandma giving me hell, because I went home the day President Bush came to speak at K-State, while I was in college. I was suffering with severe anxiety/depression/body dysmorphia at the time and she pretty much called me weak and embarrassing. Both sides play chess with this crap for their agendas and it makes me sick.

I honestly want to know, do you just have the highest moral ground on everything? Do you stand for anything at all or just against everything?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 03:31:40 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

You are fascinating

My kids go places like church, soccer games, family events, etc. They don't really ever go to the grocery store. When my wife goes to the grocery store, they choose to not go. Maybe they're strange in thinking shopping for groceries is not a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 25, 2022, 03:35:16 PM
Yeah, if we would just let Putin conquer Ukraine, someone would actually do something to prevent these shootings.

The sad irony is watching #blueanon rightfully be outraged about mass shootings in the United States, while at the same time openly calling for more weapons of war to be sent to Ukraine with virtually no calls for peace talks/negotiations.    Even worse, knowing that #blueanon welcomes the blank check of billions for Ukraine for more killing.


We are so mumped as a nation that a world war might be necessary to bring us together, but even then, we'd probably eff it up.

I actually chuckled at this because it's true... I then  :cry: (ftp://:cry:)

Gun restriction is just one step in what needs to be done.  Anyone who wants all guns banned is a complete moron because that will never happen.  We have no idea what kind of hell these kids have been through because of the pandemic and mental health has to be addressed as well as the coverage of these events.  This kid had body armor on just like the kid in Buffalo.  This copy cat crap is happening.

 Fox had a reporter who interviewed one of the kids for Christ sake.  Sad.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 03:36:18 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

You are fascinating

My kids go places like church, soccer games, family events, etc. They don't really ever go to the grocery store. When my wife goes to the grocery store, they choose to not go. Maybe they're strange in thinking shopping for groceries is not a lot of fun.

I've been around kids my entire adult life, literally thousands of them, ain't met one yet who doesn't want to go to the store. My oldest might be they biggest introvert o.a.t., even as a teen loves going to the store with either me or her mother, doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
This is completely unsurprising.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1529559132004556802
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 03:40:11 PM
Yeah. White anxiety is the most dominant, driving political force in this country right now. And it sucks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 03:41:02 PM
Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

The only time MAGA's bring up Mental Health is when there's been a tragedy with guns. I still remember my grandma giving me hell, because I went home the day President Bush came to speak at K-State, while I was in college. I was suffering with severe anxiety/depression/body dysmorphia at the time and she pretty much called me weak and embarrassing. Both sides play chess with this crap for their agendas and it makes me sick.

I honestly want to know, do you just have the highest moral ground on everything? Do you stand for anything at all or just against everything?
I appreciate your concern, MIR. It's called being a moderate. Have a great day and hug your children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 03:43:06 PM
Yeah. White anxiety is the most dominant, driving political force in this country right now. And it sucks.

If you don't agree with everything we want . . . you're dominated by "white anxiety".    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 03:47:23 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

Well, none of that is illegal, and doing something about it before he started killing people would be illegal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 25, 2022, 03:48:39 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

What action are you looking for from all of this?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 03:49:02 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

To go shopping with their parents and not live scared?

My kids don't live scared, but do not consider going to the grocery store to be an enjoyable experience.

Movie theatres?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 25, 2022, 03:50:00 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

What action are you looking for from all of this?

i mean in a normal state you'd hope they would investigate the dude and red flag him...in rural texas, nothing would happen
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 03:52:24 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

To go shopping with their parents and not live scared?

My kids don't live scared, but do not consider going to the grocery store to be an enjoyable experience.

Movie theatres?

We do not go to movie theatres. We do go to the public library.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Pretty sure some of the Virginia Tech kids got shot on campus, at the their library. They going to college?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 03:55:43 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

Well, none of that is illegal, and doing something about it before he started killing people would be illegal.
This is exactly what I was getting at. Hard to blame someone for not “doing something” earlier when our lawmakers have gone out if their way to make sure every step in that process was legal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 03:58:47 PM
Pretty sure some of the Virginia Tech kids got shot on campus, at the their library. They going to college?

Is this directed at me? I never said anything about my kids not doing anything where something could happen. The reasons my kids do not go to school are not primarily because of school shootings. However, the fact that they don't go to school means they are not at risk of being victims in a school shooting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 04:06:24 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

Well, none of that is illegal, and doing something about it before he started killing people would be illegal.

In some states there are emergency protection orders and in some states there are specific emergency gun violence protection orders.   

Texas is soft in those areas, but that changes nothing relative to making law enforcement aware. 



















Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 04:11:54 PM
I’m going to start reporting the rednecks in western KS I grew up with every time they post a pic of how horny they are for their new firearm…which is constantly
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 04:16:23 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

To go shopping with their parents and not live scared?

My kids don't live scared, but do not consider going to the grocery store to be an enjoyable experience.

Movie theatres?

We do not go to movie theatres. We do go to the public library.

You're ch9ildren have never been to a movie theatre?   :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 04:18:17 PM

No masks. Why in the world would kids be going to the grocery store?

To go shopping with their parents and not live scared?

My kids don't live scared, but do not consider going to the grocery store to be an enjoyable experience.

Movie theatres?

We do not go to movie theatres. We do go to the public library.

You're ch9ildren have never been to a movie theatre?   :horrorsurprise:

My older two kids have been once for a friend's birthday. My younger two never have been.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 25, 2022, 04:20:26 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

Well, none of that is illegal, and doing something about it before he started killing people would be illegal.

In some states there are emergency protection orders and in some states there are specific emergency gun violence protection orders.   

Texas is soft in those areas, but that changes nothing relative to making law enforcement aware.

wonder why Texas is soft in those areas.  It couldn't be the gun nuts could it?

And it kind of does change something relative to making law enforcement aware, because nothing happens to the guy and now you've got a heavily armed psycho mad at u if he finds out u put the call in
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 04:23:41 PM
I’m going to start reporting the rednecks in western KS I grew up with every time they post a pic of how horny they are for their new firearm…which is constantly

You will lose your job unless your job allows you to basically do nothing except report bozos all frothed over a new six-shooter
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 25, 2022, 04:29:12 PM
That made me think of when KS governor candidate Kris kobach drove around lenexa in a jeep with like a 50 cal machine gun mounted to the roll bars. I wonder if anyone reported him to the authorities?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 04:30:32 PM
That made me think of when KS governor candidate Kris kobach drove around lenexa in a jeep with like a 50 cal machine gun mounted to the roll bars. I wonder if anyone reported him to the authorities?

I did but it was for being a complete bitch.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 04:39:25 PM
All kinds of reports of do nothings getting ample warning about this pending potential event and doing nothing.   The blood is on their hands as well.    Text messages, pictures, nobody did a damn thing.

I've seen that he gave 30 minutes notice, you see something different?

He was posting pics of his rifles starting almost a month ago on social media.   He was tagging people and then messaging them asking them if they saw the pics.   Four days ago he sent texts to a friend showing his rifles and all of his loaded clips of ammo.    Most, if not all of these people knew he was a person who was angry, who had mental problems, some of the same people getting messages and seeing his gun pics were the same people who took video of him in a fight with his mom when she tried to or she successfully kicked him out of the house.    Allegedly one of the people who got pics of his guns, and backpack full of loaded clips four days ago asked him why had all of that stuff, and he told them not to worry about it.

Well, none of that is illegal, and doing something about it before he started killing people would be illegal.

In some states there are emergency protection orders and in some states there are specific emergency gun violence protection orders.   

Texas is soft in those areas, but that changes nothing relative to making law enforcement aware.

wonder why Texas is soft in those areas.  It couldn't be the gun nuts could it?

And it kind of does change something relative to making law enforcement aware, because nothing happens to the guy and now you've got a heavily armed psycho mad at u if he finds out u put the call in

I don't know what third world country you live in but in first world Alabama there's anonymous tips lines.

I don't recall saying I support gun nuts.

I know #blueanon/#blueanonGe while almost always siding with The Man these days when there's political opportunity.  But, on occasion will clutch the pearls and get light headed over the thought of reporting a known mentally unstable person who is amassing weapons to the police.   But for smart and right thinkers, it's the thing to do.

I know SteveDave likes to bring up that third world hellhole known as Meade, KS often, but his examples are very poor, as always.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 04:39:40 PM
I’m going to start reporting the rednecks in western KS I grew up with every time they post a pic of how horny they are for their new firearm…which is constantly

You will lose your job unless your job allows you to basically do nothing except report bozos all frothed over a new six-shooter
First up for his no knock warrant!

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 04:41:30 PM
Let us know when he's got backpacks full of loaded ammo clips and you ask him what he's going to do with all that, and he tells you "not to worry" Steve and you have videos of that person fighting his mom and telling people he's very angry all the time.

That said, he shouldn't be allowed to have that AR.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
Did I hear properly that this mongo had a vest for armor plates but didn't actually have any armor plates in them? @pissclams get this man a load out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 04:43:58 PM
I’m going to start reporting the rednecks in western KS I grew up with every time they post a pic of how horny they are for their new firearm…which is constantly

You will lose your job unless your job allows you to basically do nothing except report bozos all frothed over a new six-shooter
First up for his no knock warrant!

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that is ominous
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2022, 04:50:13 PM
https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1529529909571461121
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2022, 04:52:13 PM
a good guy with a gun?!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 04:52:25 PM
https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1529529909571461121

This is why we need to train and equip teachers (and maybe some students?) with more guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 04:57:37 PM
Too many political points on the pond out there to be asking why an armed school resource officer didn't do their job (edit) . . . . again.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2022, 05:03:18 PM
https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1529529909571461121

This is why we need to train and equip teachers (and maybe some students?) with more guns.

Yeah, those elementary school kids would have stopped that gunman right in his tracks.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2022, 05:03:50 PM

I don't know what third world country you live in but in first world Alabama there's anonymous tips lines.

I don't recall saying I support gun nuts.

I know #blueanon/#blueanonGe while almost always siding with The Man these days when there's political opportunity.  But, on occasion will clutch the pearls and get light headed over the thought of reporting a known mentally unstable person who is amassing weapons to the police.   But for smart and right thinkers, it's the thing to do.

I know SteveDave likes to bring up that third world hellhole known as Meade, KS often, but his examples are very poor, as always.


The NRA, and by extension a majority of the GOP, has largely opposed any Red Flag laws that accomplish anything.  They want about 10 steps to be followed in order to confiscate guns, which would take an exceedingly long time and almost certainly wouldn't have been able to get guns out of this kid's hands in the course of the 4 days between purchase and massacre.  Additionally, Oklahoma has passed an anti-red flag law.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/24/texas-gun-laws-uvalde-mass-shootings/

Quote
When a then-17-year-old student killed 10 people and injured 13 more in an art classroom in Santa Fe, near Houston, in 2018, Abbott called on state lawmakers to consider a “red flag” law that would allow state courts to take firearms away from a person who presents a danger to themselves or others.

A few months later, he backed away from the idea after Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and gun rights activists drew a hard line against it. The state ended up passing laws more focused on boosting mental health resources and giving teachers more access to guns on public school campuses.

Some states have them, mostly more liberal states but the occasional moderate/conservative state.  Every red flag that has been passed to date has been attacked by the NRA as being too strict.

Too many political points on the pond out there to be asking why an armed school resource officer didn't do their job (edit) . . . . again.

It's almost like armed school resource officers aren't an effective solution.  My estimation is that most local PDs put their dumbest employee there as they think it'll never matter.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 25, 2022, 05:04:31 PM
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1529581917216993280?s=21&t=Xp_IzLZLFdLHnzPZPbDuTg


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 25, 2022, 05:05:45 PM
Too many political points on the pond out there to be asking why an armed school resource officer didn't do their job (edit) . . . . again.

probably because what the killer was doing was legal right until he went in the school door....but in any case, it's true the "good guy with a gun" failed here, and in Parkland, and in Buffalo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 05:09:38 PM

I don't know what third world country you live in but in first world Alabama there's anonymous tips lines.

I don't recall saying I support gun nuts.

I know #blueanon/#blueanonGe while almost always siding with The Man these days when there's political opportunity.  But, on occasion will clutch the pearls and get light headed over the thought of reporting a known mentally unstable person who is amassing weapons to the police.   But for smart and right thinkers, it's the thing to do.

I know SteveDave likes to bring up that third world hellhole known as Meade, KS often, but his examples are very poor, as always.


The NRA, and by extension a majority of the GOP, has largely opposed any Red Flag laws that accomplish anything.  They want about 10 steps to be followed in order to confiscate guns, which would take an exceedingly long time and almost certainly wouldn't have been able to get guns out of this kid's hands in the course of the 4 days between purchase and massacre.  Additionally, Oklahoma has passed an anti-red flag law.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/24/texas-gun-laws-uvalde-mass-shootings/

Quote
When a then-17-year-old student killed 10 people and injured 13 more in an art classroom in Santa Fe, near Houston, in 2018, Abbott called on state lawmakers to consider a “red flag” law that would allow state courts to take firearms away from a person who presents a danger to themselves or others.

A few months later, he backed away from the idea after Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and gun rights activists drew a hard line against it. The state ended up passing laws more focused on boosting mental health resources and giving teachers more access to guns on public school campuses.

Some states have them, mostly more liberal states but the occasional moderate/conservative state.  Every red flag that has been passed to date has been attacked by the NRA as being too strict.

Too many political points on the pond out there to be asking why an armed school resource officer didn't do their job (edit) . . . . again.

It's almost like armed school resource officers aren't an effective solution.  My estimation is that most local PDs put their dumbest employee there as they think it'll never matter.

Thank you for telling me things I already know.   

Relative to the resource officer.  I am fully aware that school resource officers are not always an effective solution, but sometimes they are a very effective solution, in fact, sometimes in regard to stopping these things cold, they are the solution.   That changes nothing relative to asking why this particular resource officer was not effective.   BTW, don't bore me and be stupid by saying that outlawing assault rifles would be the solution because I've already said assault rifles should be outlawed multiple times.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 25, 2022, 05:38:48 PM
Expect a call from your local federal agent in the next 10 minutes bud

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 25, 2022, 07:45:02 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1529608685055623169?s=20&t=bO4JQGSOWV7cmA42qsDw_w
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 07:51:58 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 25, 2022, 07:57:15 PM
this bun boy cant even blame CTE for his idiocy...at least his pops has that excuse
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on May 25, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

That's great, for you. I'm glad you are. The problem is it rarely works for a lot of people. Society should work for people, not try and make things more difficult.

Once again, if you read my thing is my problem always is anytime you want to provide any sort of relief, it gets shut down. If you want happy healthy children, shouldn't there be healthcare they can access? What about the ability to get an education, regardless of their social status? Shouldn't we educate them on sex ed? The importance of family planning? All these things get shut down left and right. The answer is always trying to cut more out. FTR I would be fine if the answer was UBI, or at least some what to make someone know they have a support structure in place I don't need government run daycares either, but if you have a kid it shouldn't be some economic entrapment. I also fail to see "single payer healthcare" or "publicly funded schools" as "big gubment programs" but we can disagree. I'm sure you have in your mind some nanny state.

In my mind it's just patently insane to force someone who is having a kid to have their healthcare tied to their employment, then when they go through the physical toll of having a child and needing to be there with a human being at their absolutely most dependent part, say you only get 12 weeks off, and it's unpaid, when so you don't even haver anything to provide for them, so then you're forced to go back to work to provide for yourself and them and then have to try and find childcare which has either no subsidy or anything. Just put yourself in that, thing outside the box for once how entrapped that is. It's insane to think that is in anyway a good system. And then we wonder why kids are awful cause their parents are away having to just put food in their mouths.

Health insurance tied to employment is insane. The tax deductibility of health insurance through your employer should be immediately ended. I would support a Singaporean-style health care system and this would result in coverage for everyone.

I'm never going to be in favor of mandatory paid leave or anything like that. That's going to benefit a lot of people who simply value having both parents work over staying home with their kids. I realize that's not the only group that would benefit, but they would, and I'm not going to support it. Everything else you mentioned like schooling and daycare could be solved through UBI.

I have great news for you! The Family Fun Pack based upon Nordic model pro-family policies!

PARENTAL LEAVE
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Around the time of the birth of a child, parents will be eligible to take a total of 36 weeks of job-protected leave from work and receive an income benefit from the Social Security Administration while they are on leave.

If there is only one custodial parent, then that parent will be entitled to the entire 36 weeks of leave. If there are two custodial parents, then each parent will be entitled to 18 weeks of leave by default, but will also be permitted to transfer as much as 14 of their 18 weeks to the other parent. The option to transfer leave allows couples to split their parental leave entitlement in the way that they prefer.

The income benefit will be based on the highest earning year from the last three years of the recipient’s Social Security earnings record. The benefit will replace 100 percent of earnings up to the minimum wage (currently $15,080 per year) and 66 percent of earnings that exceed the minimum wage. The maximum benefit will be capped at the national average wage as measured by the national average wage index (currently $50,321.89 per year).22 All new parents will be eligible for benefits equal to at least the minimum wage even if they have no earnings on record.

FREE CHILD CARE
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Parents with children between the ages of six months and three years will be provided a free spot in a public child care center. Parents who prefer to provide child care at home can forego their public child care spot and instead receive a home child care benefit paid by the Social Security Administration.

The federal government will fund the free child care program through grants, but local school districts will administer it. The federal grants will cover all of the costs of providing the child care service, including capital expenditures and worker pay. The federal government will also set standards for the provision of child care, including child-to-adult ratios and wage levels. If a school district does not cooperate with the program, the federal government will establish its own federally-administered child care centers in the area covered by the uncooperative district.

Those who opt for the home child care benefit rather than a public child care spot will be paid a weekly benefit that is roughly equal to the per-child wages of childcare workers. So, for instance, the median childcare worker has an annual salary of $22,290.24 The recommended child-to-adult ratio for these workers is around four to one depending on the age of the child.25 Dividing $22,290 by four gives $5,730 per year, which is $110 per week. Thus, under prevailing child-to-adult ratios and prevailing childcare worker wages, the weekly home child care benefit would be $110 per child. If the ratios or prevailing wages change, e.g. because the new public child care system sets higher wages, then the home child care allowance would change with it

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/ (https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2022, 11:45:57 PM
Nothing to see here folks, move along

https://www.aap.org/en/advocacy/child-and-adolescent-healthy-mental-development/aap-aacap-cha-declaration-of-a-national-emergency-in-child-and-adolescent-mental-health/

But our President is "locked in" on Ukraine.   Who cares about our kids when there's Biden Family Inc assets to protect in Ukraine!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/10/health/pediatricians-mental-health-crisis-teens.html

Probably that got damn Tucker Carlson and that rough ridin' Vlad Putin!







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 26, 2022, 06:00:38 AM
Yes, the white power hour is calling gun control “civil war”

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1529615750566141952
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 07:28:09 AM
They seem very excited to surrender again.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 26, 2022, 07:44:50 AM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657

https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 08:11:16 AM
awful
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 26, 2022, 08:50:08 AM
Need more good guys with guns. Like, way more than the number who would vote against simple gun control laws.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 26, 2022, 09:14:44 AM
my god. can these police officers be tried as accomplices
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on May 26, 2022, 09:16:32 AM
https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1529483504857251844
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 26, 2022, 09:19:19 AM
Need more good guys with guns. Like, way more than the number who would vote against simple gun control laws.

Yup, more guns is def the only option
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2022, 09:20:43 AM
If cops are scared of a semi automatic weapon, might be time to ban them.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 09:22:23 AM
Need more good guys with guns. Like, way more than the number who would vote against simple gun control laws.

Yup, more guns is def the only option

I think we are seeing the "good guys with guns" solution is not really a good one because the good guys with guns want to be a good guy with a gun who grows old and gets to see his kids again.  They seem to not want to engage in a fire fight with a suicidal maniac with body armor and an assault rifle who is literally planning on dying that day and wants to take as many people as he can with him.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529669808228294656?s=20&t=xmxM5Q9yThtjXhRKR6k9Cg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
There will be some serious blowback I reckon. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 26, 2022, 09:57:46 AM
The United States is not the only country that has mass shootings.   Depending on how you want to bend the statistics and how you want to define what is and isn't a mass shooting, it could be said that the United States has a disproportionate amount of mass shootings.    Just because we've just accepted that the cartels in Mexico (for example) kill a bunch of people in mass all the time (like 11 dead in two bars in a cartel mass shooting in the last 48 hours) doesn't make it any less of a . . . mass shooting.     Obviously that's still not a trophy anybody wants in their trophy case.

But the "It only happens in the United States" trope is simply not reality. 





 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 26, 2022, 09:59:30 AM
If the actions or in this case, alleged in action by the police are accurate, then a bunch of people need to get severely sanctioned and/or fired.   Possibly prosecuted. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 26, 2022, 10:04:39 AM
If cops are scared of a semi automatic weapon, might be time to ban them.
Yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 26, 2022, 10:05:03 AM
Could we at least get behind "red flag laws" as a starting point?

https://thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r (https://thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on May 26, 2022, 10:05:36 AM
Cops are scared of pretty much everything though
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 26, 2022, 10:07:33 AM
Tucker Carlson threatens!!   I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Goodness
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on May 26, 2022, 10:25:09 AM
The police thing is absolutely appalling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2022, 10:28:15 AM
I wouldn't expect cops anywhere else to act any differently.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2022, 10:36:30 AM
I wouldn't expect cops anywhere else to act any differently.
Cops suck complete ass, but say that to some of the dead from 9/11 and other tragedies. They're better trained in larger markets. Either way, super shitty and terrifying.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 26, 2022, 10:49:03 AM
The United States is not the only country that has mass shootings.   Depending on how you want to bend the statistics and how you want to define what is and isn't a mass shooting, it could be said that the United States has a disproportionate amount of mass shootings.    Just because we've just accepted that the cartels in Mexico (for example) kill a bunch of people in mass all the time (like 11 dead in two bars in a cartel mass shooting in the last 48 hours) doesn't make it any less of a . . . mass shooting.     Obviously that's still not a trophy anybody wants in their trophy case.

But the "It only happens in the United States" trope is simply not reality. 





 
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2022, 10:58:48 AM
It's pretty amazing to look at gun restrictions when Columbine happened and then look at how much regulation has been eliminated since.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2022, 11:04:34 AM
You guys ever watch War Dogs? it's all about the $. Sucks!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
Could we at least get behind "red flag laws" as a starting point?

https://thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r (https://thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r)

Agreed.  Throw out the we need more good guys with guns because that makes it worse
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on May 26, 2022, 11:09:47 AM

I have great news for you! The Family Fun Pack based upon Nordic model pro-family policies!

PARENTAL LEAVE
Quote
Around the time of the birth of a child, parents will be eligible to take a total of 36 weeks of job-protected leave from work and receive an income benefit from the Social Security Administration while they are on leave.

If there is only one custodial parent, then that parent will be entitled to the entire 36 weeks of leave. If there are two custodial parents, then each parent will be entitled to 18 weeks of leave by default, but will also be permitted to transfer as much as 14 of their 18 weeks to the other parent. The option to transfer leave allows couples to split their parental leave entitlement in the way that they prefer.

The income benefit will be based on the highest earning year from the last three years of the recipient’s Social Security earnings record. The benefit will replace 100 percent of earnings up to the minimum wage (currently $15,080 per year) and 66 percent of earnings that exceed the minimum wage. The maximum benefit will be capped at the national average wage as measured by the national average wage index (currently $50,321.89 per year).22 All new parents will be eligible for benefits equal to at least the minimum wage even if they have no earnings on record.

FREE CHILD CARE
Quote
Parents with children between the ages of six months and three years will be provided a free spot in a public child care center. Parents who prefer to provide child care at home can forego their public child care spot and instead receive a home child care benefit paid by the Social Security Administration.

The federal government will fund the free child care program through grants, but local school districts will administer it. The federal grants will cover all of the costs of providing the child care service, including capital expenditures and worker pay. The federal government will also set standards for the provision of child care, including child-to-adult ratios and wage levels. If a school district does not cooperate with the program, the federal government will establish its own federally-administered child care centers in the area covered by the uncooperative district.

Those who opt for the home child care benefit rather than a public child care spot will be paid a weekly benefit that is roughly equal to the per-child wages of childcare workers. So, for instance, the median childcare worker has an annual salary of $22,290.24 The recommended child-to-adult ratio for these workers is around four to one depending on the age of the child.25 Dividing $22,290 by four gives $5,730 per year, which is $110 per week. Thus, under prevailing child-to-adult ratios and prevailing childcare worker wages, the weekly home child care benefit would be $110 per child. If the ratios or prevailing wages change, e.g. because the new public child care system sets higher wages, then the home child care allowance would change with it

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/ (https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/)

I will have to read more about this. I have seen some of Bruenig's stuff before and I know he is focused on making things easier for low-income families.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2022, 11:24:03 AM
I knew this take was coming...

https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1529806204595232768?s=20&t=I9Hww98WMke-80bqLC4j8Q
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2022, 11:40:29 AM
Yeah, if you tell cops they can't kill unarmed, handcuffed men, how can you expect them to know that it's ok to kill a man who is gunning down 10 year old children?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2022, 11:58:20 AM
I visited a school for a career day thing and couldn't believe how locked down everything was. My high school had about 10 different points of entry, all unlocked, parking on every side of the building, and open lunch. Also, people could not legally open carry in Kansas, concealed carry was not allowed, and assault-style weapons were federally banned. Columbine happened and everyone was shocked, because shootings like that just didn't happen. So we apparently responded to that crisis by getting rid of all of those restrictions (not even requiring permits to carry), allowing the sale of title II NFA guns, and passing a whole bunch of laws prohibiting cities to issue any sort of controls of their own. It's all very mumped up.

I'm betting the takeaway from this is to bring bump stocks back and arm teachers. People have been calling for it and they are eventually going to get heard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 12:04:50 PM
Yeah, if you tell cops they can't kill unarmed, handcuffed men, how can you expect them to know that it's ok to kill a man who is gunning down 10 year old children?

Also, you skew the risk/reward.  If cops don’t get the to execute homeless for petty theft how do you expect them to risk physical harm to stop the slaughter of 4th graders?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 26, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Ernie_Zuniga/status/1529872688939995136?s=20&t=cb62SmdxXCrGyRn9tZdaKw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2022, 12:51:47 PM
Jesus
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 01:20:56 PM
Jesus

those kids
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 26, 2022, 01:53:10 PM
If more good guys had guns, those parents might have overwhelmed those worthless cops and ran into the school.

Armed groups of highly emotional and untrained civilians roaming the elementary school halls.  This is definitely what would help all of these situations.

I think we should pre-emptively shoot everyone who enters a school in the leg.  That way, if you do happen to have nefarious plans, you are super easy to outrun and or catch.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 26, 2022, 02:07:34 PM
Let the parents stand outside and listen to their babies getting slaughtered while the cops stand there and do nothing  . . . (CNS)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 26, 2022, 02:49:48 PM
I visited a school for a career day thing and couldn't believe how locked down everything was. My high school had about 10 different points of entry, all unlocked, parking on every side of the building, and open lunch.

the lack of freedom we impose in order to protect our sacred freedoms is appalling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2022, 03:39:34 PM
I visited a school for a career day thing and couldn't believe how locked down everything was. My high school had about 10 different points of entry, all unlocked, parking on every side of the building, and open lunch.

the lack of freedom we impose in order to protect our sacred freedoms is appalling.

Yes. The amount of crap we put these kids through simply so some of us can take an AR-15 to the range is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on May 26, 2022, 03:42:16 PM
Public schools are often like prisons. It’s gross.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on May 26, 2022, 03:44:51 PM
Bitch-ass cops too imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 26, 2022, 03:50:13 PM
Public schools are often like prisons. It’s gross.

They literally are. I got an acquaintance who does electrical design for commercial projects. He mostly does schools and prisons, why? "Because they're basically built to be the same thing"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2022, 03:52:30 PM
I have no problems with schools being secure not only for the gun nut there to kill but the 20 year old who wants to still rome the halls or the dude selling the drugs. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on May 26, 2022, 04:56:49 PM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2022, 05:20:51 PM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on May 26, 2022, 06:30:11 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220526/fba642ac352c5a048961d7167ddb4293.jpg)
Important and interesting infographic from the article.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 26, 2022, 11:38:00 PM
i don't think those numbers are:

1.  accurate (bloomberg by himself spent way more than the amounts listed for both sides)
2.  interesting, or
3.  important.


this issue is not driven by money, it's driven by the preferences of voters.  like, just do a quick reality-check.  50 million dollars/year is not a significant amount of money.  in 2020, $14.4 billion was spent by both sides across the elections. if $50 million a year was all that was necessary to change gun laws in the united states, that money would have been made available, spent and the problem solved a generation ago.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 27, 2022, 12:49:15 AM
Cut kid rock a check.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/entertainment/don-mclean-nra-performance-canceled/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 27, 2022, 06:41:53 AM
https://twitter.com/mycancerjourne3/status/1529933105359753218?s=21&t=zjUbKZ-xbajIj-iN21plYQ

https://twitter.com/mycancerjourne3/status/1529933106668457985?s=21&t=zjUbKZ-xbajIj-iN21plYQ

https://twitter.com/mycancerjourne3/status/1529933108182515713?s=21&t=zjUbKZ-xbajIj-iN21plYQ


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on May 27, 2022, 07:09:59 AM
that's fake.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2022, 07:44:47 AM
Lee Greenwood on Fox just said he isn't playing the nra conference because unfortunately the school shooting happened at a bad time.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 27, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
i don't think those numbers are:

1.  accurate (bloomberg by himself spent way more than the amounts listed for both sides)
2.  interesting, or
3.  important.


this issue is not driven by money, it's driven by the preferences of voters.  like, just do a quick reality-check.  50 million dollars/year is not a significant amount of money.  in 2020, $14.4 billion was spent by both sides across the elections. if $50 million a year was all that was necessary to change gun laws in the united states, that money would have been made available, spent and the problem solved a generation ago.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/

I agree with your point about the money...I think Domino's spent 50 million dollars advertising the fact that they donated $100k to small business impacted by the pandemic. To me the interesting is that the overwhelming majority of human beings in america have no problem with tighter restrictions on guns...mandatory waiting periods, background checks, closing the gun show loophole, etc. And despite that nearly unanimous agreement, that's not how the rules are being made. Unfettered access to firearms is NOT the preference of the voters and if you think it is then I don't know what to tell you. It is the preference of the special interests who I guess do a really good job of convincing voters that there is no middle ground...any restrictions around guns is the same thing as the gubment is coming to take all your guns so you have to ride or die with us on this, NO RESTRICTIONS, SHALL NOT INFRINGE. WE THE EFFING PEOPLE. and its patently stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 27, 2022, 08:35:38 AM
Apparently, yesterday, Mitch McConnell said they need to do something and has kicked some wheels in motion for some TX dipshit, the Sinema dipshit, and some other dipshit to all start talking about it.  We will see what they come up with, but some forward progress that isn't complete window dressing will be better than nothing, assuming we get something that isn't just window dressing.

The country needs several prominent GOP'ers to step up on this.  The GOP has so strongly circled the wagons on this specific issue, that any discussion from outside that circle is seen as an attack.  The discussion has to start from inside that circle to have any hope of any of those dipshit inside the circle actually assisting in doing anything.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 27, 2022, 08:38:01 AM
i don't think those numbers are:

1.  accurate (bloomberg by himself spent way more than the amounts listed for both sides)
2.  interesting, or
3.  important.


this issue is not driven by money, it's driven by the preferences of voters.  like, just do a quick reality-check.  50 million dollars/year is not a significant amount of money.  in 2020, $14.4 billion was spent by both sides across the elections. if $50 million a year was all that was necessary to change gun laws in the united states, that money would have been made available, spent and the problem solved a generation ago.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/

I agree with your point about the money...I think Domino's spent 50 million dollars advertising the fact that they donated $100k to small business impacted by the pandemic. To me the interesting is that the overwhelming majority of human beings in america have no problem with tighter restrictions on guns...mandatory waiting periods, background checks, closing the gun show loophole, etc. And despite that nearly unanimous agreement, that's not how the rules are being made. Unfettered access to firearms is NOT the preference of the voters and if you think it is then I don't know what to tell you. It is the preference of the special interests who I guess do a really good job of convincing voters that there is no middle ground...any restrictions around guns is the same thing as the gubment is coming to take all your guns so you have to ride or die with us on this, NO RESTRICTIONS, SHALL NOT INFRINGE. WE THE EFFING PEOPLE. and its patently stupid.

They claim that they don't want unfettered access, but their votes say they do. Same with school shootings. These kids are living in the world we vote for.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 27, 2022, 08:41:16 AM
Just confirming what everyone already knows.

https://twitter.com/Miriam2626/status/1529985370166906889
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North side a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 27, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
Just confirming what everyone already knows.

https://twitter.com/Miriam2626/status/1529985370166906889

oh yeah this could just be an evergreen tweet about every police incident ever
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 27, 2022, 11:00:43 AM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North South a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident.

There is more than one mass shooting per day. You don't hear about all of them because it's not even physically possible to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2022, 11:08:53 AM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North South a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident.

There is more than one mass shooting per day. You don't hear about all of them because it's not even physically possible to.

I understand.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 27, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
One of the crazy parts of this issue is how so many talk about it in such a way that if we can’t solve the entire issue in every circumstance, that we shouldn’t do anything. I don’t know if it’s a reflex gained through such a strong use of whataboutism, intellectual laziness, or just the inability of weak minds. 

This is one of the problems
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 27, 2022, 11:33:28 AM
-The shooter had more than 1600 rounds of ammunition.
-He was not one of the two juveniles arrested in 2018 when a different plan to “shoot up” the school was foiled.
-The police say the long (40 minute) delay was due to a wrong decision that the situation was a “barricaded subject” when in fact it was still an “active shooter situation” and there were still children at risk.   
-Children were calling 911 telling police there was an active shooter- and police still treated the situation as a “barricaded subject”. 
-This is why they waited for a set of keys and for backup while the shooter remained armed inside with children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2022, 12:37:30 PM
A school shooter has never and will never be a barricade/hostage situation.  They are just cowards.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on May 27, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1530225232862224393?t=aH7ahAgvXbyf_CysCREqBw&s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 27, 2022, 01:14:37 PM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1530225232862224393?t=aH7ahAgvXbyf_CysCREqBw&s=19

he's rough ridin' lying

https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1530242343571443712
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 27, 2022, 01:16:05 PM
Police officers who lie to the public should go to prison.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 27, 2022, 01:27:39 PM
https://www.theonion.com/entire-u-s-police-force-flees-country-after-hearing-gu-1848981784
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 27, 2022, 01:28:03 PM
These cops are really on a roll.
 
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1530219824156139523
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 27, 2022, 01:34:24 PM
This is a conspiracy theorist dream right now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 27, 2022, 01:40:19 PM
I don't know.  I think this one harms the normal positions other than an armed teacher.  The armed teacher bullshit is the only one that they have to lean on, imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2022, 01:52:04 PM
Police officers who lie to the public should go to prison.

About this kind of thing, yes. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on May 27, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Saw this with the caption “New flag for police….”

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220527/eeecc49f2bba2c06a441f805766e0aac.jpg)


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2022, 02:04:28 PM
They have no excuses.   All the armchair "this is how the cops really are" nonsense about how they really have no obligation but to protect themselves and deal with the low hanging fruit is also nonsense.   A truly professional police force goes in and finds out what's going on, they don't stand out on the rough ridin' curb making assumptions for an hour and handcuffing and tackling parents.   

This is a bunch of bubba wannabe types who are on the force so they can hang group pictures of themselves all lined up in their body armor and hoisting their assault rifles by their desk. 

All these anecdotal stories of an initial singular responder not going inside in these situations are one thing, I have yet to see a situation where police in force just stood outside for nearly an hour.   Not since Columbine, and that was twenty five years ago. 





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 27, 2022, 02:24:15 PM
rough ridin' cowards

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTyEFU6WIAMckme?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 27, 2022, 02:41:31 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how these “heros” are treated by the thank you for your service crowd.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 27, 2022, 06:07:51 PM
https://twitter.com/mitchellatencio/status/1530277101655531520?s=21&t=V1PQTrj4eDh-zPjGcLj_-A
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 27, 2022, 06:11:13 PM
rough ridin' ghouls
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 27, 2022, 06:13:54 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how these “heros” are treated by the thank you for your service crowd.
They’re the lone example I’ve seen in awhile of being cowards to be honest. The same people who want to defund them are also acting disgusted by their disinterest in helping. This country sucks hard!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2022, 07:59:22 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how these “heros” are treated by the thank you for your service crowd.
They’re the lone example I’ve seen in awhile of being cowards to be honest. The same people who want to defund them are also acting disgusted by their disinterest in helping. This country sucks hard!

Disinterest
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 27, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how these “heros” are treated by the thank you for your service crowd.
They’re the lone example I’ve seen in awhile of being cowards to be honest. The same people who want to defund them are also acting disgusted by their disinterest in helping. This country sucks hard!

Disinterest

They were just standing outside playing on their phones looking bored
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 27, 2022, 08:40:48 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how these “heros” are treated by the thank you for your service crowd.
They’re the lone example I’ve seen in awhile of being cowards to be honest. The same people who want to defund them are also acting disgusted by their disinterest in helping. This country sucks hard!


Parkland. That cop literally went and hid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 27, 2022, 09:09:09 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220528/15ba1a9daec885b3c15ba15cb6009349.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on May 27, 2022, 11:39:32 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220528/11d6918b122fb92954ad81e8f58c525d.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 27, 2022, 11:43:22 PM
that might be about the worst thing i've ever seen
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 28, 2022, 12:05:12 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220528/11d6918b122fb92954ad81e8f58c525d.jpg)

Couldn't be more out of touch if the scheme's bot had scheduled it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 28, 2022, 12:25:24 AM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North side a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident

You just wanted to blow that Chicago dog whistle. Again. Your point was a complete non sequitur. It had nothing to do with that article, the graphic I referenced, or anything I wrote in the post you quoted. I'm perfectly aware gun crimes occur in every corner of this country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 28, 2022, 12:37:42 AM
https://twitter.com/mitchellatencio/status/1530277101655531520
Not at all playing the tough guy but I would have 100% went to jail because I would have put hands on him for the way he was treating that woman. Dude bumped her with his belly, are you serious? Then he pushed her down. I would gave him a two hand shove, right in front of those cops who watched him throw that woman down. What a pussy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 28, 2022, 01:10:26 AM
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081)

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North side a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident

You just wanted to blow that Chicago dog whistle. Again. Your point was a complete non sequitur. It had nothing to do with that article, the graphic I referenced, or anything I wrote in the post you quoted. I'm perfectly aware gun crimes occur in every corner of this country.

Chicago dog whistle?   :lol: :lol:  Didn't you just call it a crap hole a few weeks ago?


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2022, 05:37:22 AM
All the discourse about how much the cops sucked is going to lead to more funding and military style weapons for these turds while doing nothing to make it more difficult for citizens to get this type of weapon
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2022, 05:46:05 AM
All the discourse about how much the cops sucked is going to lead to more funding and military style weapons for these turds while doing nothing to make it more difficult for citizens to get this type of weapon
Fox News is fully on this bandwagon

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1530499552645611521

 https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1530491965137113089

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 28, 2022, 05:49:04 AM
Damn, that sucks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on May 28, 2022, 06:37:34 AM
I think most people know the police failed those kids. Even if they say otherwise.

But will there be any accountability for this? Everything tells me, no.

The anger that boils up in those of us that can see it immediately gives way to despair because we all know we are powerless as individuals to change our circumstances. The officers felt no obligation to put their lives on the line on behalf of those kids even when the children were begging 911 for their lives. This is a problem that requires collective action but we are all a sack of potatoes, waiting for some leader. But to do what?

Even the responses or calls to “action” are just consumer choices: like what does the news channel anchor or politician or viral Twitter guy say? My mom duly sent a thoughtful email to Roger Marshall and received her PR email response. Even she knew that politics was a dead end and just went through the motions out of rote memory from her days in a civics classroom about how all this is supposed to work.

The main agenda is to keep this rambling wreck of an empire moving on down the road by making sure the Amazon packages and doordash keeps running on time while bitching and arguing about which politician can do that better. And to ensure that we owe no obligation to any other person anywhere, besides maybe our own family. Even family obligations have some major qualifiers.

At some point, I don’t know when, there will be some reckoning about the constant tension between the slogans that we all puff our chests about and claim as values and the rotten behavior that goes on underneath those waving banners.

But most likely it will simply be that we pick out a scapegoat or two and carry on with the bullshit and let some group that is powerless be sacrificed to purge the sins of the rest of us.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2022, 08:08:12 AM
Unfortunately, nothing will change because not even that eventual reckoning matters as long as the Amazon deliveries and door dash deals are still available said reckoning.  The real problem is beyond solution at this point and it has zero to do with red or blue.  This big ship initiated the turn like 30-40 yrs ago and it’s just taking this long for the new direction of travel to become more obvious to ppl who weren’t earlier paying attention.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2022, 08:12:08 AM
I think most people know the police failed those kids. Even if they say otherwise.

But will there be any accountability for this? Everything tells me, no.

The anger that boils up in those of us that can see it immediately gives way to despair because we all know we are powerless as individuals to change our circumstances. The officers felt no obligation to put their lives on the line on behalf of those kids even when the children were begging 911 for their lives. This is a problem that requires collective action but we are all a sack of potatoes, waiting for some leader. But to do what?

Even the responses or calls to “action” are just consumer choices: like what does the news channel anchor or politician or viral Twitter guy say? My mom duly sent a thoughtful email to Roger Marshall and received her PR email response. Even she knew that politics was a dead end and just went through the motions out of rote memory from her days in a civics classroom about how all this is supposed to work.

The main agenda is to keep this rambling wreck of an empire moving on down the road by making sure the Amazon packages and doordash keeps running on time while bitching and arguing about which politician can do that better. And to ensure that we owe no obligation to any other person anywhere, besides maybe our own family. Even family obligations have some major qualifiers.

At some point, I don’t know when, there will be some reckoning about the constant tension between the slogans that we all puff our chests about and claim as values and the rotten behavior that goes on underneath those waving banners.

But most likely it will simply be that we pick out a scapegoat or two and carry on with the bullshit and let some group that is powerless be sacrificed to purge the sins of the rest of us.


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https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1529782494182223872
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on May 28, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
If I were those cops, i'd be fearful that the parents of the victims would murder me.  Especially that chief, or whomever was in command. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on May 28, 2022, 08:56:12 AM
Also, every single cop who waited outside should have their employment and pension terminated.  They forfeited that.  Every good deed they ever did as a cop has been undone.  I don't think the cops should go to jail.  They should instead be forced to start their lives over again, dealing with just a fraction of the pain and heartache of those victims parents. 

Frankly, I'd remove everyone from the department, federalize it, and start over.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 28, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220528/11d6918b122fb92954ad81e8f58c525d.jpg)

Wayne Lapierre needs to learn how to rhyme
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 28, 2022, 09:25:53 AM
Kid had over 1000 rounds of ammo

Police were inside the building while he killed kids.

Commander in scene made the decision that it was no longer active shooter but a barricaded subject.

Which is why they waited for tactical breaching equipment.

All the while kids were calling 911 saying he was shooting and there were kids still alive


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
Oh man!  Abbott now has press conference and notes he was misled by cops as to what happened. Guess what?  No faux cop uni. Just a suit.

The psychological side of political theater is both frustrating and interesting. It’s interesting because how our minds are our own worst enemy in many cases where we need it to be our sharpest tool, it’s frustrating in how many ppl can’t recognize how heavy handed the manipulation is. It’s intentional!

The simple are led around by their subconscious and their emotions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 28, 2022, 11:15:20 AM
All the discourse about how much the cops sucked is going to lead to more funding and military style weapons for these turds while doing nothing to make it more difficult for citizens to get this type of weapon
Fox News is fully on this bandwagon

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1530499552645611521

 https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1530491965137113089
I don’t see anything about funding and they already had assault weapons.  There’s pictures of them holding them. 

Can’t imagine life hanging on FoxNews every Tweet.   But #blueanonGe is gonna #blueanonGe


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 28, 2022, 12:24:34 PM
I would literally love Texas to secede.  Just a massive piece of crap run by fat losers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on May 28, 2022, 12:27:21 PM
https://www.facebook.com/uvaldepd/posts/pfbid0JwBKAU5ppFKrZsXWh6yzUAGhpzKWgu2LFx6iXkPS4b6TukEjGxynHLn97fxbJWQPl
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 28, 2022, 06:30:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT3pVd0WQAIvwnq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on May 31, 2022, 10:40:23 PM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1531824917095886848

edit: i guess it should have went in the responsible gun owner thread, oh well.
also not sure what happened to event "4."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on June 01, 2022, 12:43:30 AM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1531824917095886848

edit: i guess it should have went in the responsible gun owner thread, oh well.
also not sure what happened to event "4."
Did gunman C get shot or is the caption wrong? Or does the "3 shot" portion mean "3 fired"? So many questions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 01, 2022, 02:32:29 AM
B is shot twice. 2 bystanders (not A or C) also shot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on June 01, 2022, 06:48:50 AM
Sounds like B took it in the A
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 07:37:38 AM
Once again #blueanonGe wrecks another thread with politics

So that said -

Joe Biden’s America:  Daily mass shootings, skyrocketing crime rates, inflation (now featuring a treasury department who admits they got inflation all wrong), supply chain disruptions, record gas prices, and perpetual war

Normal @bucket
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2022, 07:44:53 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 07:48:40 AM
I would literally love Texas to secede.  Just a massive piece of crap run by fat losers
Yet borderline net egress staters (like Kansas and Illinois) rust belters, snowbirds and Californians keep moving there by the thousands.   

Up 3 million in a decade. 

The 9th largest economy in the world.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 07:49:52 AM
:lol:
It’s all you can do.

Thanks for pointing that out (again) StarBot.7
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2022, 07:59:35 AM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1531695825742594048
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 01, 2022, 08:57:25 AM
i realize the point of that vid was serious but i think he could have taken it up a notch if he would have peppered in a little from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mdI9zNbMSg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mdI9zNbMSg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 01, 2022, 10:08:27 AM
Very normal

https://twitter.com/lynzforcongress/status/1531659252472979458?s=21&t=J3fPdvMeYihc2iKuUaL3qQ


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 01, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
jfc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 10:24:03 AM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/politics/democrats-dark-money-donors.html

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 01, 2022, 10:25:56 AM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 10:30:52 AM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 01, 2022, 10:44:53 AM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 01, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
I imagine websites like that will lead to an educator being murdered the way doctors that performed abortions were.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2022, 10:55:13 AM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

Yeah but only because one dude's kid plays on a sports team with another dude's kid otherwise sus-smann would be rough ridin' guilty.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.









Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 01, 2022, 01:14:21 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.

don't do this to yourself a 1000th time.  You are way too old to keep having your beliefs completely disproven and everyone laughing. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 04:45:20 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.

don't do this to yourself a 1000th time.  You are way too old to keep having your beliefs completely disproven and everyone laughing.



Should we let the DOJ/FBI know that the Hunter Biden laptop and all of the information on it can be "completely disproven"?   #blueanon former Intel/DOJ thought leaders already tried to play that card and the FBI/DOJ started an investigation anyway.   

The only thing that was proven in the Sussmann case was that a jury wouldn't convict Sussmann of lying to the FBI.   One would think an alleged lawyer would understand that.






Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 01, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.

don't do this to yourself a 1000th time.  You are way too old to keep having your beliefs completely disproven and everyone laughing.



Should we let the DOJ/FBI know that the Hunter Biden laptop and all of the information on it can be "completely disproven"?   #blueanon former Intel/DOJ thought leaders already tried to play that card and the FBI/DOJ started an investigation anyway.   

The only thing that was proven in the Sussmann case was that a jury wouldn't convict Sussmann of lying to the FBI.   One would think an alleged lawyer would understand that.

Didn't Rudy have that laptop for awhile?

Do you know what it means when a jury unanimously votes that you should not be guilty?  You are found not guilty and acquitted of the charge.  I know the legal field can be complicated so I won't tease you

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 05:05:13 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.

don't do this to yourself a 1000th time.  You are way too old to keep having your beliefs completely disproven and everyone laughing.



Should we let the DOJ/FBI know that the Hunter Biden laptop and all of the information on it can be "completely disproven"?   #blueanon former Intel/DOJ thought leaders already tried to play that card and the FBI/DOJ started an investigation anyway.   

The only thing that was proven in the Sussmann case was that a jury wouldn't convict Sussmann of lying to the FBI.   One would think an alleged lawyer would understand that.

Didn't Rudy have that laptop for awhile?

Do you know what it means when a jury unanimously votes that you should not be guilty?  You are found not guilty and acquitted of the charge.  I know the legal field can be complicated so I won't tease you

I will give you this, like Spracs, you are a master of the obvious.

The FBI/DOJ has public information conduits, I'm sure they'll be happy to hear your input on how they're investigating something that can be "completely disproven".    It is now before a grand jury.





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 01, 2022, 05:09:02 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.

don't do this to yourself a 1000th time.  You are way too old to keep having your beliefs completely disproven and everyone laughing.



Should we let the DOJ/FBI know that the Hunter Biden laptop and all of the information on it can be "completely disproven"?   #blueanon former Intel/DOJ thought leaders already tried to play that card and the FBI/DOJ started an investigation anyway.   

The only thing that was proven in the Sussmann case was that a jury wouldn't convict Sussmann of lying to the FBI.   One would think an alleged lawyer would understand that.

Didn't Rudy have that laptop for awhile?

Do you know what it means when a jury unanimously votes that you should not be guilty?  You are found not guilty and acquitted of the charge.  I know the legal field can be complicated so I won't tease you

I will give you this, like Spracs, you are a master of the obvious.

The FBI/DOJ has public information conduits, I'm sure they'll be happy to hear your input on how they're investigating something that can be "completely disproven".    It is now before a grand jury.

you needed the help, so I obliged
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2022, 05:12:04 PM
It's  :lol: :lol: to watch #blueanon talk about Dark Money.

I mean  :lol: :lol: :lol:

take the word dark money out and it is still horrific.  If that is all you have you should go back to being humiliated and then crying openly in the Durham thread

First of all, you would think an alleged lawyer would understand that Sussmann was acquitted of one charge relative to one very small part of the whole affair.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe than to discount what was testified to under oath relative to Russiagate, particularly you.  On top of what FBI/DOJ and technical experts  said about the "evidence" that HFA et. al. used to plant the fake Russia story. I digress.   

I put very little credence in a hardcore #blueanon'er like Lindsey Simmon's and her unilateral declarations, particularly knowing how hyperbolic #blueanon tends to be about everything i.e. anyone who disagrees with us is a Fascist

the defense verdict was on all charges, and it was unanimous.  He dunked on maga so hard it will leave an indelible mark

It was a simple charge of lying to the FBI (a case made more difficult because of FBI incompetence, in this case, purposeful incompetence which lead to multiple firings and demotions).   It really didn't have anything to do with the lies that HFA et. al. got the easily propagandized parrots of #blueanon to believe. 

I don't expect you to understand, because you're part of the confederacy of not knowers on this blog.   I expect nothing less from #blueanonGe then to cheerlead for an untruth.   This same group believed and still believes that (for example) the Biden laptop was a "classic Russian disinformation campaign".   Thankfully it's being handled out of Delaware, and not DC.

don't do this to yourself a 1000th time.  You are way too old to keep having your beliefs completely disproven and everyone laughing.



Should we let the DOJ/FBI know that the Hunter Biden laptop and all of the information on it can be "completely disproven"?   #blueanon former Intel/DOJ thought leaders already tried to play that card and the FBI/DOJ started an investigation anyway.   

The only thing that was proven in the Sussmann case was that a jury wouldn't convict Sussmann of lying to the FBI.   One would think an alleged lawyer would understand that.

Didn't Rudy have that laptop for awhile?

Do you know what it means when a jury unanimously votes that you should not be guilty?  You are found not guilty and acquitted of the charge.  I know the legal field can be complicated so I won't tease you

I will give you this, like Spracs, you are a master of the obvious.

The FBI/DOJ has public information conduits, I'm sure they'll be happy to hear your input on how they're investigating something that can be "completely disproven".    It is now before a grand jury.

you needed the help, so I obliged

They await your input.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2022, 06:00:19 PM
jesus christ

https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1532133941330620416

 :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 08:30:18 AM
In addition to schools, it looks like hospitals and clinics will now need to be secured by SWAT teams to prevent them from being invaded by bad guys with guns:

https://twitter.com/Pervaizistan/status/1532346886803361792?s=20&t=MCXclsAj8e_YDak2wFgSgA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:11:12 AM
Just harden the hospitals, schools, churches, stores, restaurants, malls and other public places.

problem solved and no rights get infringed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2022, 09:18:45 AM
All hospitals should have a single point of entry.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:21:05 AM
All hospitals should have a single point of entry.

doctors/nurses should be armed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2022, 09:22:04 AM
All hospitals should have a single point of entry.

doctors/nurses should be armed

hell, arm the patients
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 09:22:51 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 02, 2022, 09:23:23 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?
Why would we do that?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?

It couldn't
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 09:26:40 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?
Why would we do that?


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Libs wanna take away the gun problem by sarcastically answering how to do it, when this is what they really want, but would cause a civil war. They have all the answers!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2022, 09:30:52 AM
Most gun owners would hand their guns over. If you are too afraid to go to the grocery store without a pistol for protection, you are going to be too afraid to stand up to the US government.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 02, 2022, 09:32:15 AM
It isn't a mystery, it has already been done.  Do gun buy backs and restrict new supply. The last two literally went to a gun superstore and bought new ARs to go on a shooting spree. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:33:38 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?
Why would we do that?


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Libs wanna take away the gun problem by sarcastically answering how to do it, when this is what they really want, but would cause a civil war. They have all the answers!

No one is going door to door taking guns and anyone who (i assume) sarcastically suggests that when gun control is discussed are just clowns with very low IQ.  It is the talking point of the very, very stupid and scared

If the government did want peoples guns, they would have them and the fat slobs who scream about their ARs couldn't stop it.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
Most gun owners would hand their guns over. If you are too afraid to go to the grocery store without a pistol for protection, you are going to be too afraid to stand up to the US government.
Most gun owners from the south would rather get in a shootout with someone knocking on their door vs handing them over. The picks of people with their guns at the grocery store are cute, but they're not the ones you should worry about.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:35:05 AM
It isn't a mystery, it has already been done.  Do gun buy backs and restrict new supply. The last two literally went to a gun superstore and bought new ARs to go on a shooting spree literally within hours of the purchase of the high capacity killing tool ON rough ridin' CREDIT.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2022, 09:36:03 AM
Most gun owners would hand their guns over. If you are too afraid to go to the grocery store without a pistol for protection, you are going to be too afraid to stand up to the US government.
Most gun owners from the south would rather get in a shootout with someone knocking on their door vs handing them over. The picks of people with their guns at the grocery store are cute, but they're not the ones you should worry about.

Some would, most wouldn't.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2022, 09:38:53 AM
Gun ownership is one of those things where like 15% of the people who own guns own 95% of all guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Most gun owners would hand their guns over. If you are too afraid to go to the grocery store without a pistol for protection, you are going to be too afraid to stand up to the US government.
Most gun owners from the south would rather get in a shootout with someone knocking on their door vs handing them over. The picks of people with their guns at the grocery store are cute, but they're not the ones you should worry about.

they can't do a push up or math, they aren't beating the feds
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on June 02, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Taking guns door to door is a hypothetical that no one is legitimately proposing and will never happen.  The gun owners can keep their "take it from my cold dead hands" fantasy, which is really all they want.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 02, 2022, 09:45:13 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?
Why would we do that?


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Libs wanna take away the gun problem by sarcastically answering how to do it, when this is what they really want, but would cause a civil war. They have all the answers!
I think libs want laws reformed.

I never have read anyone advocating door to door.

Ban assault weapons/high capacity clips etc Begin buy backs, establish red flag laws, wait time.

Going to take a generation but the country will be better for it.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 09:46:09 AM
I'm all for semis to be banned immediately!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2022, 09:47:37 AM
I'm betting on nothing getting done.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 09:51:28 AM
It isn't a mystery, it has already been done.  Do gun buy backs and restrict new supply. The last two literally went to a gun superstore and bought new ARs to go on a shooting spree literally within hours of the purchase of the high capacity killing tool ON rough ridin' CREDIT.
I think that buy backs, waiting periods for gun purchases / red flag laws, limiting purchases of huge quantities of ammo and ending sales of new weapons with detachable magazines could help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 09:52:26 AM
We should go around door-to-door and take away everyone's guns and see how it goes. Couldn't hurt, right?
Why would we do that?


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Libs wanna take away the gun problem by sarcastically answering how to do it, when this is what they really want, but would cause a civil war. They have all the answers!
I think libs want laws reformed.

I never have read anyone advocating door to door.

Ban assault weapons/high capacity clips etc Begin buy backs, establish red flag laws, wait time.

Going to take a generation but the country will be better for it.


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This is the talking point of the very dumbest of the stupid
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 09:58:04 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 09:58:52 AM
I guess we should just HUR HUR our way to solving this problem then. Patients and docs with guns, HUR HUR!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2022, 10:00:34 AM
Most gun owners would hand their guns over. If you are too afraid to go to the grocery store without a pistol for protection, you are going to be too afraid to stand up to the US government.
Most gun owners from the south would rather get in a shootout with someone knocking on their door vs handing them over. The picks of people with their guns at the grocery store are cute, but they're not the ones you should worry about.

they can't do a push up or math, they aren't beating the feds

CrackerBelt Quadrangle (36% adult obesity) . . . above average to well above average gun ownership.












Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 02, 2022, 10:01:15 AM
I'm all for semis to be banned immediately!
Same
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 10:02:08 AM
I'm all for semis to be banned immediately!
Same

yup
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 10:47:00 AM
https://apple.news/ABPlRUbyoQB6RNPBGjgwDGw

RIP texas
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2022, 10:53:22 AM
https://twitter.com/DanLinden/status/1532383030182043650
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
Now we just have a bunch of shitty copy cats. I rough ridin' hate it!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 02, 2022, 11:00:09 AM
I guess we should just HUR HUR our way to solving this problem then. Patients and docs with guns, HUR HUR!

Wacky I know you’re very uneducated when it comes to this stuff but the HUR HUR stuff the libderps are suggesting in this thread…is quite literally the stuff the lawmakers on the right are suggesting. I’m glad you realize, at least on some level, that the suggestion of arming teachers/doctors/nurses/students, and restricting entry points into a building are completely stupid. Maybe you just need to see some libderps suggest it so that you have a knee jerk aversion?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 11:02:36 AM
I guess we should just HUR HUR our way to solving this problem then. Patients and docs with guns, HUR HUR!

Wacky I know you’re very uneducated when it comes to this stuff but the HUR HUR stuff the libderps are suggesting in this thread…is quite literally the stuff the lawmakers on the right are suggesting. I’m glad you realize, at least on some level, that the suggestion of arming teachers/doctors/nurses/students, and restricting entry points into a building are completely stupid. Maybe you just need to see some libderps suggest it so that you have a knee jerk aversion?
BAC, I know you love following me around these days like a rough ridin' weirdo, but I've debunked many crazed right wing talking points before. This is one of those. I'm well aware of all the dumb crap they say about guns, Einstein.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 02, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
What we need is veterans who love this country to guard our schools.  So many veterans are ready and willing to protect the children.  These shooters will think twice about attacking a school with an armed veteran on guard. 

Grocery stores, movie theaters, concert venues, and churches should look into this as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 11:03:35 AM
I'm all for semis to be banned immediately!
Same

yup
There really isn't a reason for civilians to own them unless they operate an armored car service or something. If people went thru an extensive licensing process to own them (like they do for fully automatic weapons or silencers), I think that would be a positive step, also. This pod talks about the proliferation of AR-15s in the US - from 400K 20 years ago to 20M currently.

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/the-fight-over-banning-the-ar-15/02B82DD5-7847-4B60-AA29-DECF197A88D6 (https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/the-fight-over-banning-the-ar-15/02B82DD5-7847-4B60-AA29-DECF197A88D6)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 11:04:52 AM
What we need is veterans who love this country to guard our schools.  So many veterans are ready and willing to protect the children.  These shooters will think twice about attacking a school with an armed veteran on guard. 

Grocery stores, movie theaters, concert venues, and churches should look into this as well.
Unbelievable that politicians are seriously proposing this sort of crap as an actual solution to the mass shooting problem in the US.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2022, 11:09:55 AM
Now is not the time to talk about gun control. It's a time for prayer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 02, 2022, 11:11:38 AM
What we need is veterans who love this country to guard our schools.  So many veterans are ready and willing to protect the children.  These shooters will think twice about attacking a school with an armed veteran on guard. 

Grocery stores, movie theaters, concert venues, and churches should look into this as well.
Unbelievable that politicians are seriously proposing this sort of crap as an actual solution to the mass shooting problem in the US.
yeah definitely the vets that can't get any other jobs besides standing around a school are gonna be 100% stable/pstd-free
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
Pretty concise summary of the Uvalde massacre. I have a fourth grader. The torture that these kids were put through is unimaginable. Why are our kids responsible for calling police to neutralize a psychopath that is trying to kill them. This is all unthinkable.

Quote
At 12:03 p.m. last Tuesday, a fourth grader at Robb Elementary called 911 to let the police know there was a gunman at the school, in Room 112. He’d been terrorizing the children in that classroom and adjoining Room 111 for half an hour at that point—killing their two teachers in front of them, turning on hauntingly “sad” music, telling the kids it was “time to die”—and the surviving student was desperate. Many of his or her classmates had already been killed or were bleeding out, but several were still alive, hiding from the deranged 18-year-old and his AR-15-style rifle. One little girl—one of the lucky ones—took blood from her dead friend and smeared it over herself, in the hopes that the shooter would think she was dead, too.

The student called 911 again at 12:10 p.m. And 12:13 p.m. And 12:16 p.m. And 12:36 p.m. And 12:43 p.m. And 12:46 p.m. “Please send the police now,” the student begged. Little did the student know, 19 police officers—one for every child who died that day—were already standing outside the classroom. And they had been for nearly an hour.

https://morning.thedispatch.com/p/the-morning-dispatch-what-does-accountability?r=47rnq&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email (https://morning.thedispatch.com/p/the-morning-dispatch-what-does-accountability?r=47rnq&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 11:57:14 AM
I have a soon to be 4th grader and I’m incapable of conceiving that paragraph. 

Didn’t the NRA go bankrupt?  When will they?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Yeah, the NRA as an organization doesn't really do much any longer. But they don't have to because they got a shitload of voters to believe the lies they told for 40 years.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
Yeah, the NRA as an organization doesn't really do much any longer. But they don't have to because they got a shitload of voters to believe the lies they told for 40 years.

I think they are still the source of money that absolute dirtbags accept but decent point about messaging.  wacks received it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Yeah, the NRA as an organization doesn't really do much any longer. But they don't have to because they got a shitload of voters to believe the lies they told for 40 years.

I think they are still the source of money that absolute dirtbags accept but decent point about messaging.  wacks received it
Interesting article about the NRA, possibly a case of the tail wagging the dog:

https://thedispatch.com/p/its-voters-not-lobbyists-who-shape?s=r (https://thedispatch.com/p/its-voters-not-lobbyists-who-shape?s=r)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 01:21:48 PM
Thanks Sandstone.  Had read similar info before.  Their messaging lives beyond their donations.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 01:37:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IM4p62p3M0

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
I have a soon to be 4th grader and I’m incapable of conceiving that paragraph. 

Didn’t the NRA go bankrupt?  When will they?

I thought they tried to pull a strategic bankruptcy, but the Judge poured them out?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 02:15:11 PM
I have a soon to be 4th grader and I’m incapable of conceiving that paragraph. 

Didn’t the NRA go bankrupt?  When will they?

I thought they tried to pull a strategic bankruptcy, but the Judge poured them out?

yeah, think they tried to dip to texas for that and got dunked on like a trumper in a courtroom
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2022, 02:18:53 PM
I have a soon to be 4th grader and I’m incapable of conceiving that paragraph. 

Didn’t the NRA go bankrupt?  When will they?

I thought they tried to pull a strategic bankruptcy, but the Judge poured them out?

yeah, think they tried to dip to texas for that and got dunked on like a trumper in a courtroom

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSe8orTX0AMLuBB.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 02, 2022, 02:42:29 PM
Tulsa gunman was trying to take revenge on his back surgeon per this report:

https://apnews.com/article/tulsa-oklahoma-texas-school-shootings-61bba0dcf04e2f8dbc34ec4ee7fd02b0 (https://apnews.com/article/tulsa-oklahoma-texas-school-shootings-61bba0dcf04e2f8dbc34ec4ee7fd02b0)

EDIT: This link includes pics of the shooter and his victims. Absolute madness.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5476305/tulsa-hospital-shooting-suspect-michael-louis-motive/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/5476305/tulsa-hospital-shooting-suspect-michael-louis-motive/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Brock Landers on June 02, 2022, 03:08:35 PM
Tulsa gunman was trying to take revenge on his back surgeon per this report:

https://apnews.com/article/tulsa-oklahoma-texas-school-shootings-61bba0dcf04e2f8dbc34ec4ee7fd02b0 (https://apnews.com/article/tulsa-oklahoma-texas-school-shootings-61bba0dcf04e2f8dbc34ec4ee7fd02b0)

EDIT: This link includes pics of the shooter and his victims. Absolute madness.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5476305/tulsa-hospital-shooting-suspect-michael-louis-motive/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/5476305/tulsa-hospital-shooting-suspect-michael-louis-motive/)

I went to high school with one of the victims.  RIP Stephanie   :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Tulsa gunman was trying to take revenge on his back surgeon per this report:

https://apnews.com/article/tulsa-oklahoma-texas-school-shootings-61bba0dcf04e2f8dbc34ec4ee7fd02b0 (https://apnews.com/article/tulsa-oklahoma-texas-school-shootings-61bba0dcf04e2f8dbc34ec4ee7fd02b0)

EDIT: This link includes pics of the shooter and his victims. Absolute madness.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5476305/tulsa-hospital-shooting-suspect-michael-louis-motive/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/5476305/tulsa-hospital-shooting-suspect-michael-louis-motive/)

I went to high school with one of the victims.  RIP Stephanie   :cry:

Damn. I'm sorry, dude.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 02, 2022, 10:24:19 PM
your children must continue to die because we need assault rifles to kill raccoons.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1532397025156898816
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 03, 2022, 07:28:36 AM
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1532517083946229760
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 03, 2022, 07:50:22 AM
your children must continue to die because we need assault rifles to kill raccoons.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1532397025156898816
Prior to the introduction of the AR-15 with 30 round mags, hundreds of Colorado subsistence farmers used to starve each year because they couldn't defend their chicken flocks from battalions of hungry raccoons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 03, 2022, 08:19:34 AM
Yeah, turns out that if you start shooting raccoons, those bloodthirsty savages keep coming for the chickens anyway. They are fearless.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 03, 2022, 08:36:54 AM
your children must continue to die because we need assault rifles to kill raccoons.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1532397025156898816

These guys have a really hard time admitting their kink. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 03, 2022, 08:38:43 AM
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1529910935225258001?s=20&t=4pSTBritr5XK5vQ1R6YxLQ
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 03, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1532517083946229760
Well at least he accidentally did something right
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 03, 2022, 09:18:56 AM
Seems like it's probably a first amendment violation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 03, 2022, 09:34:07 AM
https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/1532705043450937344
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 03, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
Yeah, we aren't going to do anything. We live in the world we vote for.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 03, 2022, 10:21:02 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uvalde-police-scandal-law-enforcement-cops-shooting-victims-officers-11654206409?mod=djemalertNEWS (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uvalde-police-scandal-law-enforcement-cops-shooting-victims-officers-11654206409?mod=djemalertNEWS)

I have to say I don't really disagree with anything here. Great column by Peggy Noonan of all people.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 03, 2022, 10:48:52 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uvalde-police-scandal-law-enforcement-cops-shooting-victims-officers-11654206409?mod=djemalertNEWS (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uvalde-police-scandal-law-enforcement-cops-shooting-victims-officers-11654206409?mod=djemalertNEWS)

I have to say I don't really disagree with anything here. Great column by Peggy Noonan of all people.

I think plenty of cops have always been cowardly, cagy, and slimy. That's not new.

Also, the Capitol Police Jan 6 comparison is pretty wtf.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 03, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
I definitely am more anti-cop than Peggy too, but I have to say I am impressed by the calls for accountability. I hope they don't fall on def ears.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2022, 11:02:39 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uvalde-police-scandal-law-enforcement-cops-shooting-victims-officers-11654206409?mod=djemalertNEWS (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uvalde-police-scandal-law-enforcement-cops-shooting-victims-officers-11654206409?mod=djemalertNEWS)

I have to say I don't really disagree with anything here. Great column by Peggy Noonan of all people.



I bet there have been worse police scandals since George Floyd
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 03, 2022, 11:12:16 AM
depends on the definition but I think the George Floyd killing was so barbaric it is a pretty high bar to clear.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 03, 2022, 11:13:01 AM
Floyd was certainly especially heinous because it was a case of doing the opposite of their duty rather than just not doing their duty, but based on the facts that have come out, it’s hard for me whether to call the Uvalde situation more of a gun problem or more of a police problem.

With the time he had in that room the casualty count would have been the same regardless of the weapon.

Either that or they have to admit the cowardice was a direct result of the shooter having an assault weapon. In which case the problem and solution here is painfully obvious.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2022, 11:15:16 AM
depends on the definition but I think the George Floyd killing was so barbaric it is a pretty high bar to clear.

I mean, I think more evil than Uvalde. I can see a scenario where the cops were just unorganized cowards at Uvalde but I imagine there are plenty of intentionally sadistic and evil cases since George Floyd. And I look at the intentionally sadistic and evil as *possibly* being worse than Uvalde.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 11:35:02 AM
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1532517083946229760


Fine candidate for the golf course thread.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 03, 2022, 11:37:19 AM
Floyd was certainly especially heinous because it was a case of doing the opposite of their duty rather than just not doing their duty, but based on the facts that have come out, it’s hard for me whether to call the Uvalde situation more of a gun problem or more of a police problem.

With the time he had in that room the casualty count would have been the same regardless of the weapon.

Either that or they have to admit the cowardice was a direct result of the shooter having an assault weapon. In which case the problem and solution here is painfully obvious.
As horrible as the reports of the police response are (if early reports prove to be true), Uvalde situation was 90% gun/psychopath problem and 10% police problem. That being said, I won't be shocked if the "lesson learned" will be that we need to further militarize law enforcement.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 03, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
Floyd was certainly especially heinous because it was a case of doing the opposite of their duty rather than just not doing their duty, but based on the facts that have come out, it’s hard for me whether to call the Uvalde situation more of a gun problem or more of a police problem.

With the time he had in that room the casualty count would have been the same regardless of the weapon.

Either that or they have to admit the cowardice was a direct result of the shooter having an assault weapon. In which case the problem and solution here is painfully obvious.
As horrible as the reports of the police response are (if early reports prove to be true), Uvalde situation was 90% gun/psychopath problem and 10% police problem. That being said, I won't be shocked if the "lesson learned" will be that we need to further militarize law enforcement.

apparently there is plenty of supreme court precedent that pretty much establishes that the police "have a responsibility to the public but not the individual", with the exception of the police having a Special Relationship with an individual, which in pretty much every case means the police have taken that person into custody. So if the person is being held in police custody then the policy do have a duty to that individual to protect them. In the case of Salas v. Carpenter SCOTUS essentially said that someone waiting for rescue by the police is not considered to be a Special Relationship and that the police are not liable for a failed rescue attempt.

The argument could be made that since children are mandated to go to school and the school is run by the state that would constitute a Special Relationship but apparently that isn't the case either.

So basically there will be absolutely no legal liability whatsoever for those cops who stood idly by while 10 year olds were massacred
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 03, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
My senator's response to rampant firearm-related slaughter in the US = LARPing with his guns. xpost pos pubs.

https://twitter.com/RogerMarshallMD/status/1532754752034971648?s=20&t=4AfOjbX6LfC0z-28kOpuBA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kid In the Hall on June 03, 2022, 12:31:08 PM
My senator's response to rampant firearm-related slaughter in the US = LARPing with his guns. xpost pos pubs.

https://twitter.com/RogerMarshallMD/status/1532754752034971648?s=20&t=4AfOjbX6LfC0z-28kOpuBA

Good ole Doc Marshall needs to spend less money on guns and more money on better sound equipment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2022, 01:46:24 PM
should also read the 2A again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 01:50:30 PM
should also read the 2A again

And Federalist Papers No. 46.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2022, 02:19:10 PM
should also read the 2A again

And Federalist Papers No. 46.

And Mambo No. 5
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 02:49:39 PM
should also read the 2A again

And Federalist Papers No. 46.

Quote
Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.

Source: that Republican commie James Madison, aka Publius.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 02:54:36 PM
In sum, the entire Original Understanding of 2A has been frustrated.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2022, 02:57:46 PM
In sum, the entire Original Understanding of 2A has been frustrated.

Very much so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 03, 2022, 03:13:33 PM
In sum, the entire Original Understanding of 2A has been frustrated.
Spracs, does "National Guard" = "well-regulated militia" when constitutional experts discuss this sort of thing? So people who want to bear military weapons could join the National Guard? I'm too lazy to look at how the concept of the National Guard evolved from state militia groups during the late 18th century (or even if that is what it descends from). I always read about military units being organized from local geographic regions during the Civil War era but I'm pretty sure they weren't all state militias.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 03, 2022, 03:25:49 PM
I mean, "well regulated" is right there upfront. 

We aren't going to solve the problem with one swipe, so let's start with some of that regulation that 2A insists upon, yet we basically don't have.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 03:35:34 PM
In sum, the entire Original Understanding of 2A has been frustrated.
Spracs, does "National Guard" = "well-regulated militia" when constitutional experts discuss this sort of thing? So people who want to bear military weapons could join the National Guard? I'm too lazy to look at how the concept of the National Guard evolved from state militia groups during the late 18th century (or even if that is what it descends from). I always read about military units being organized from local geographic regions during the Civil War era but I'm pretty sure they weren't all state militias.

That's an open question. When I read Madison's words, it does strike me an awful lot like the equivalent of the National Guard today, except even more so controlled by the several States themselves, and even municipalities. Notice all the involvement contemplated by the local governments in appointing and regulating the local militias. As I think I've said before, there is a dearth of case law on the Second Amendment, so we simply don't "know" much. DC v. Heller held only that a person has a right to have a handgun in their home for self defense. That's about the extent of our "knowledge" on the subject. I've also read convincing scholarship that says the "right of the people" refers to a collective right "of the People" rather than an individual right of every person (happy to extrapolate, if this is confusing). Although, giving a crap about what we supposedly "know" seems not to matter anymore in the wake of Roe.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 03, 2022, 03:39:16 PM
ames: https://iowastartingline.com/2022/06/03/ames-church-shooter-had-history-of-violence-against-women-accusations/

casualties of "shall issue" and permit repeal...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 03, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
In sum, the entire Original Understanding of 2A has been frustrated.
Spracs, does "National Guard" = "well-regulated militia" when constitutional experts discuss this sort of thing? So people who want to bear military weapons could join the National Guard? I'm too lazy to look at how the concept of the National Guard evolved from state militia groups during the late 18th century (or even if that is what it descends from). I always read about military units being organized from local geographic regions during the Civil War era but I'm pretty sure they weren't all state militias.

That's an open question. When I read Madison's words, it does strike me an awful lot like the equivalent of the National Guard today, except even more so controlled by the several States themselves, and even municipalities. Notice all the involvement contemplated by the local governments in appointing and regulating the local militias. As I think I've said before, there is a dearth of case law on the Second Amendment, so we simply don't "know" much. DC v. Heller held only that a person has a right to have a handgun in their home for self defense. That's about the extent of our "knowledge" on the subject. I've also read convincing scholarship that says the "right of the people" refers to a collective right "of the People" rather than an individual right of every person (happy to extrapolate, if this is confusing). Although, giving a crap about what we supposedly "know" seems not to matter anymore in the wake of Roe.

wish someone would have just walked up to one of those dudes at the time and been like "alright just to clarify...
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 03, 2022, 04:17:36 PM
It would not have made a bit of difference, imo. It didn’t take long to fetishize arms in the US, even Madison’s take holds up US having guns as hawt AF.

As Spracne pointed out, there have hardly even been occasions to test the constitutional limits of the Second Amendment. Most of the state and federal laws on guns go the opposite way to expand ownership rights and protections. Other than the DC handgun ban and maybe a couple of others it’s arguable IMHO whether the landscape would look significantly different if the Second Amendment never existed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on June 03, 2022, 04:43:27 PM
In the old west movies the sheriff rounds up a posse to infringe on the gun rights of the dude who just got in town. Pretty close to 420seriouscat69's "door to door" argument really.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 04:47:13 PM
In the old west movies the sheriff rounds up a posse to infringe on the gun rights of the dude who just got in town. Pretty close to 420seriouscat69's "door to door" argument really.

Ahhhh, the good old days ....
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 03, 2022, 04:49:30 PM
In the old west movies the sheriff rounds up a posse to infringe on the gun rights of the dude who just got in town. Pretty close to 420seriouscat69's "door to door" argument really.
That reminds me of the scene in Tombstone where Wyatt Earp attempts to enforce an unconstitutional executive order against some gentlemen minding their own business at the ok corral.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 03, 2022, 04:53:25 PM
In the old west movies the sheriff rounds up a posse to infringe on the gun rights of the dude who just got in town. Pretty close to 420seriouscat69's "door to door" argument really.
That reminds me of the scene in Tombstone where Wyatt Earp attempts to enforce an unconstitutional executive order against some gentlemen minding their own business at the ok corral.

This caused a civil war, iirc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
In the old west movies the sheriff rounds up a posse to infringe on the gun rights of the dude who just got in town. Pretty close to 420seriouscat69's "door to door" argument really.
That reminds me of the scene in Tombstone where Wyatt Earp attempts to enforce an unconstitutional executive order against some gentlemen minding their own business at the ok corral.

he enforced the F out of it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
In the old west movies the sheriff rounds up a posse to infringe on the gun rights of the dude who just got in town. Pretty close to 420seriouscat69's "door to door" argument really.
That reminds me of the scene in Tombstone where Wyatt Earp attempts to enforce an unconstitutional executive order against some gentlemen minding their own business at the ok corral.

Man, cat is on a roll, lately.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 09:57:43 PM
#blueanon political derps need answers

https://homeland.house.gov/imo/media/doc/letter_to_dhs_re_uvalde.pdf
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:24:33 PM
#blueanon political derps need answers

https://homeland.house.gov/imo/media/doc/letter_to_dhs_re_uvalde.pdf

I appreciate that Al Green is the only person who signed in green.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 10:27:37 PM
#tryingtohard
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:30:13 PM
#readingtooclosely
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:31:00 PM
#tryingtohard

#nottryingto(sic)hard
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 10:31:42 PM
#notreallyfunny(but thinks he is)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:33:13 PM
#tryingtohard

Always hard, bro. Always.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 03, 2022, 10:34:09 PM
Spracs got blue pilled
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 10:35:32 PM
#tryingtohard

Always hard, bro. Always.

Another night of YouJizz and  :jerk: ?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:38:04 PM
#tryingtohard

Always hard, bro. Always.

Another night of YouJizz and  :jerk: ?

C'mon, bud. Like me and Al Green, let's stay together.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 10:39:51 PM
#tryingtohard

Always hard, bro. Always.

Another night of YouJizz and  :jerk: ?

C'mon, bud. Like me and Al Green, let's stay together.

I just appreciate that suddenly and unexpectedly #blueanon political leaders are concerned that BorderPatrol is stopping criminals  (applies to U.S. citizens only).   :thumbsup:



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:43:29 PM
#tryingtohard

Always hard, bro. Always.

Another night of YouJizz and  :jerk: ?

C'mon, bud. Like me and Al Green, let's stay together.

I just appreciate that suddenly and unexpectedly #blueanon political leaders are concerned that BorderPatrol is stopping criminals  (applies to U.S. citizens only).   :thumbsup:

Maybe they're tired of being alone?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 10:45:27 PM
Who is tired of being alone Captain Cryptic?


#bleuanon political leaders, demanding answers when Border Patrol actually stops crime!


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 10:51:39 PM
Perhaps true, but how can you mend a broken heart?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 10:56:08 PM
Perhaps?  Pfft

#stilltryingtohard
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 11:04:38 PM
Ramos was living at the pinnacle of first world problems.   Working at Wendy's yet able to cobble together $4k to $5K to buy his weapons, including a $2,000 plus Daniel Defense AR-15.    So it would seem that his parents/grandparents were covering all of his bills and expenses so he could "save" up all of that money.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 11:05:54 PM
I will say this, Ramos was living at the pinnacle of first world problems.   Working at Wendy's yet able to gobble together $4k to $5K to buy his weapons, including a $2,000 plus Daniel Defense AR-15.    So it would seem that his parents/grandparents were covering all of his bills and expenses so he could "save" up all of that money.

Interesting thesis. I too wonder how he was able to gobble that together.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 11:09:41 PM
I will say this, Ramos was living at the pinnacle of first world problems.   Working at Wendy's yet able to gobble together $4k to $5K to buy his weapons, including a $2,000 plus Daniel Defense AR-15.    So it would seem that his parents/grandparents were covering all of his bills and expenses so he could "save" up all of that money.

Interesting thesis. I too wonder how he was able to gobble that together.

While I fully understand that you're in your usual process of trying way way too hard, I will entertain your response.    In this case we had a mentally challenged person who at least when it came to lives basic necessities was being well taken care of, and thus, his job at Wendy's allowed him to save a lot of money.    Which sadly he used to buy assault weapons and then use them.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2022, 11:14:55 PM
I feel partly responsible because of my spicy chx proclivity.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 11:16:25 PM
Until further notice, it's alleged lawyer, which is  :blank: at best
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 03, 2022, 11:42:08 PM
ftr, Daniel Defense sells ARs on credit...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2022, 11:57:56 PM
ftr, Daniel Defense sells ARs on credit...

It appears per the receipts, it was bought with straight cash.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2022, 09:54:59 AM
I will say this, Ramos was living at the pinnacle of first world problems.   Working at Wendy's yet able to gobble together $4k to $5K to buy his weapons, including a $2,000 plus Daniel Defense AR-15.    So it would seem that his parents/grandparents were covering all of his bills and expenses so he could "save" up all of that money.

Interesting thesis. I too wonder how he was able to gobble that together.

If he worked at McDonalds he would have been able to robble together more money
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on June 04, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
It isn't a mystery, it has already been done.  Do gun buy backs and restrict new supply. The last two literally went to a gun superstore and bought new ARs to go on a shooting spree literally within hours of the purchase of the high capacity killing tool ON rough ridin' CREDIT.
I think that buy backs, waiting periods for gun purchases / red flag laws, limiting purchases of huge quantities of ammo and ending sales of new weapons with detachable magazines could help.
So what is the issue with detachable magazines?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 04, 2022, 11:30:19 AM
#tryingtohard

lmao
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on June 04, 2022, 01:18:46 PM
It isn't a mystery, it has already been done.  Do gun buy backs and restrict new supply. The last two literally went to a gun superstore and bought new ARs to go on a shooting spree literally within hours of the purchase of the high capacity killing tool ON rough ridin' CREDIT.
I think that buy backs, waiting periods for gun purchases / red flag laws, limiting purchases of huge quantities of ammo and ending sales of new weapons with detachable magazines could help.
So what is the issue with detachable magazines?
Remove empty magazine and attach loaded magazine.  Could repeat that all day with enough ammo and Uvalde cops (too soon?).


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2022, 01:30:54 PM
Ramos was living at the pinnacle of first world problems.   Working at Wendy's yet able to gobble together $4k to $5K to buy his weapons, including a $2,000 plus Daniel Defense AR-15.    So it would seem that his parents/grandparents were covering all of his bills and expenses so he could "save" up all of that money.

Yeah, most high school kids don't have to pay any rent or utilities. They don't even have to buy their own food. Shocking, I know.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2022, 04:00:11 PM
I do not endorse intentionally misspelling words to mock dax for spelling worse than a small child.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2022, 07:10:06 PM
If you go hunting certain birds with more than three shells in your shotgun, you can get in some trouble. Did you guys know that?  Do you think the Shall Not Be Infringed guys know that? 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2022, 07:20:10 PM
Ramos was living at the pinnacle of first world problems.   Working at Wendy's yet able to gobble together $4k to $5K to buy his weapons, including a $2,000 plus Daniel Defense AR-15.    So it would seem that his parents/grandparents were covering all of his bills and expenses so he could "save" up all of that money.

Yeah, most high school kids don't have to pay any rent or utilities. They don't even have to buy their own food. Shocking, I know.
How to say you don’t fully understand the situation and dynamics with a few poorly thought out taps on the keyboard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2022, 07:21:59 PM
I do not endorse intentionally misspelling words to mock dax for spelling worse than a small child.
I appreciate that the two alleged lawyers along with a couple of others can’t understand the challenges of trying to tapatalk with the opposite of Trump hands.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 04, 2022, 10:34:00 PM
https://twitter.com/speakpatrice/status/1532958792677203970?s=21&t=OpS1kgqhF9ohjB9kZx45GA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on June 05, 2022, 02:44:39 AM
I do not endorse intentionally misspelling words to mock dax for spelling worse than a small child.
I appreciate that the two alleged lawyers along with a couple of others can’t understand the challenges of trying to tapatalk with the opposite of Trump hands.
Absolutely love this new alleged lawyers talking point.  :excited:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2022, 03:23:39 PM
Floyd was certainly especially heinous because it was a case of doing the opposite of their duty rather than just not doing their duty, but based on the facts that have come out, it’s hard for me whether to call the Uvalde situation more of a gun problem or more of a police problem.

With the time he had in that room the casualty count would have been the same regardless of the weapon.

Either that or they have to admit the cowardice was a direct result of the shooter having an assault weapon. In which case the problem and solution here is painfully obvious.
As horrible as the reports of the police response are (if early reports prove to be true), Uvalde situation was 90% gun/psychopath problem and 10% police problem. That being said, I won't be shocked if the "lesson learned" will be that we need to further militarize law enforcement.

I know I'm days late on this and I'm sure someone already made the point but the lesson learned here was already learned at Columbine 23 years ago. There were officers on the scene when Harris and Kleibold were still alive, I think it came out later that all the victims were already dead, but the Littleton PD had a policy not to engage, as did most police departments at the time. This policy changed after Columbine. We know for a fact that the police were there for an hour + before they breeched the building, we also know kids were killed well within that hour. The lesson here is to abide by the lessons we learned nearly 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 05, 2022, 05:03:04 PM
Floyd was certainly especially heinous because it was a case of doing the opposite of their duty rather than just not doing their duty, but based on the facts that have come out, it’s hard for me whether to call the Uvalde situation more of a gun problem or more of a police problem.

With the time he had in that room the casualty count would have been the same regardless of the weapon.

Either that or they have to admit the cowardice was a direct result of the shooter having an assault weapon. In which case the problem and solution here is painfully obvious.
As horrible as the reports of the police response are (if early reports prove to be true), Uvalde situation was 90% gun/psychopath problem and 10% police problem. That being said, I won't be shocked if the "lesson learned" will be that we need to further militarize law enforcement.

I know I'm days late on this and I'm sure someone already made the point but the lesson learned here was already learned at Columbine 23 years ago. There were officers on the scene when Harris and Kleibold were still alive, I think it came out later that all the victims were already dead, but the Littleton PD had a policy not to engage, as did most police departments at the time. This policy changed after Columbine. We know for a fact that the police were there for an hour + before they breeched the building, we also know kids were killed well within that hour. The lesson here is to abide by the lessons we learned nearly 25 years ago.

Yes, this is covered in Bowling for Columbine. And we definitely already learned the lesson about militarizing the police. Didn't seem to help.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 06, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
The abundance of mass shootings is making it hard for mass shooters to find an unbiased jury pool:

https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/1533897652869513216?s=20&t=Cgi8grHZLIoQ5gvVyKDVww
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 06, 2022, 07:02:49 PM
^insanity...well-meaning people must act
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 06, 2022, 08:53:56 PM
think about how insane this is..that the most moderate Republicans say that raising the age to buy semiautos to 21 is "off the table"...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics/gun-negotiations-congress-republicans/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 07, 2022, 11:32:07 AM
In addition to raccoons, prairie dogs are also totally impervious to gunfire from any weapon system beside the AR-15. Without access to AR-15s, our nation will soon be transformed into a desolate prairie dog village.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1534205781305851907?s=20&t=MTZBDjDHya3goaaEYZYLVw

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 07, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
Separate from the murder of children, I am also opposed to mutilating animals with high powered weapons.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on June 07, 2022, 01:30:35 PM
We might as well outlaw .22s since we don't use them any more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 07, 2022, 08:29:13 PM
stories on the same day in the orlando area...

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/06/06/watch-live-at-2-pm-orange-county-sheriff-holds-news-conference-on-significant-case/

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/06/07/10-year-old-orlando-girl-arrested-on-murder-charge-in-shooting-death-of-woman-who-was-fighting-with-her-mom/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2022, 07:00:36 PM
I mean it’s an inch, but at least it’s something.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1534661569891553280?s=21&t=OCvXwgwk_zU7naYgak1-Ww
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on June 08, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
I mean it’s an inch, but at least it’s something.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1534661569891553280?s=21&t=OCvXwgwk_zU7naYgak1-Ww

That won't pass the senate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on June 08, 2022, 07:11:04 PM
I mean it’s an inch, but at least it’s something.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1534661569891553280?s=21&t=OCvXwgwk_zU7naYgak1-Ww

That won't pass the senate.
Agreed


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2022, 07:35:27 PM
I mean it’s an inch, but at least it’s something.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1534661569891553280?s=21&t=OCvXwgwk_zU7naYgak1-Ww

That won't pass the senate.

If we're just passing ceremonial bills, lets have one with actual gravitas. Pelosi is spineless.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 08, 2022, 08:38:11 PM
^yes, *she's* the problem here...   


amazing the things that people insist on "bothsides"-ing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2022, 09:09:59 PM
A thing getting house & senate members on record for common sense votes is a worthwhile endeavor. Yes more would be better, but you gotta start with stuff that’s borderline embarrassing not to pass.

Like you have to be what, 16, 18 to buy dry ice or a paintball gun?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 08, 2022, 09:43:29 PM
A thing getting house & senate members on record for common sense votes is a worthwhile endeavor. Yes more would be better, but you gotta start with stuff that’s borderline embarrassing not to pass.

Like you have to be what, 16, 18 to buy dry ice or a paintball gun?

forget that, 21 for booze and cigs (i guess cigs only some states)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2022, 10:21:44 PM
it's going to take absolute baby steps
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2022, 10:34:53 PM
it's going to take absolute baby steps

How many babies will it take per step, do you think?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2022, 10:35:29 PM
it's going to take absolute baby steps

How many babies will it take per step, do you think?

irl hundreds which sucks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on June 09, 2022, 11:30:48 AM
^yes, *she's* the problem here...   


amazing the things that people insist on "bothsides"-ing

I don't think we have the same definition of bothsidesing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 09, 2022, 05:11:02 PM
this is actually the best case scenario.  the conspiracy theory is that they shot a kid and let the killer do more killing to cover it up.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1534991371047780352
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 09, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
I had not heard that conspiracy but Jesus Christ if true. Yes, them being cowardly pieces of crap is best case.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 09, 2022, 09:49:41 PM
I too am glad that I was not on social media to hear that theory.

The facts of the case are bad enough. The only person that rushed in there was a mother who liberated an entire classroom despite being cuffed for trying to go in and then fleeing and jumping a fence after being released from cuffs.

How has the chief not resigned yet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 10, 2022, 07:05:37 PM
I too am glad that I was not on social media to hear that theory.

The facts of the case are bad enough. The only person that rushed in there was a mother who liberated an entire classroom despite being cuffed for trying to go in and then fleeing and jumping a fence after being released from cuffs.

How has the chief not resigned yet?

It is apparently a safe job
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 10, 2022, 11:51:09 PM

How has the chief not resigned yet?
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/09/uvalde-chief-pete-arredondo-interview/

He's going with the "extreme incompetence" defense...and I'm still not sure I believe it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2022, 12:42:25 PM
https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/1536013602846560256?s=21&t=ekgFvfzPQ4XBYkzdQSmH8Q
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 12, 2022, 09:36:43 PM
Red flag laws seem like something that might actually prevent some mass shootings, but the enhanced funding to states that implement them will only send dollars to states that already have them, while the mouth breathers in our legislature turn down the money. I honestly don't even know what a background check entails, let alone an enhanced background check, so I have no idea about how effective that part of it might be.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 12, 2022, 09:41:52 PM
yes, this is better than nothing, but barely.

politics of it are interesting.  will it help the GOPers who vote for it because they can say "they did something"? or will it hurt GOP supporters since their gun nut base wants nothing done?  can the GOP who vote against it be attacked for opposing even this incredibly weak sauce bill?  it's a tougher vote for Repubs than for Dems, that's for sure.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 12, 2022, 10:18:51 PM
Red flag laws are intriguing to me because it seems like many conservatives are ok with an ex parte court order taking away all of someone’s guns vs. banning guns no one actually needs like AR-15s or various other semi-autos. Like the one they more generally support is literally the straw man they act so afraid of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2022, 10:25:41 PM
Red flag laws are intriguing to me because it seems like many conservatives are ok with an ex parte court order taking away all of someone’s guns vs. banning guns no one actually needs like AR-15s or various other semi-autos. Like the one they more generally support is literally the straw man they act so afraid of.
Jfc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 12, 2022, 10:39:48 PM
note that it's just $ for red flag laws...no state will HAVE to implement them...so red state domestic abusers/schizos will get to keep their guns, don't worry
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 14, 2022, 11:10:41 PM
https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/06/shooting-school-texas-uvalde-sandy-hook-conspiracy.html

this is interesting/infuriating in its own right, but also for how much similarity there is between the subject of the article and a certain poster/posters here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 18, 2022, 08:34:42 AM
Liability, registration, tax, etc. shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR (if we are going to be cowards and not outlaw) crap loads. Use the money to fund counseling, etc. Been saying this for years.
Your gun was used in a crime? It’s your personal household worth and insurance paying for it. Black market non insured gun? Impounded like a car. Why TF are pawn shop gun sales and gun shows a thing? These are not drastic steps.

yes!

https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1538091672889966594
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 18, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
Do taxes next


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2022, 09:24:10 AM
Liability, registration, tax, etc. shotgun is almost nothing, handgun and AR (if we are going to be cowards and not outlaw) crap loads. Use the money to fund counseling, etc. Been saying this for years.
Your gun was used in a crime? It’s your personal household worth and insurance paying for it. Black market non insured gun? Impounded like a car. Why TF are pawn shop gun sales and gun shows a thing? These are not drastic steps.

yes!

https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1538091672889966594
It occurred to me recently that this is by far the best avenue for doing something about guns, similar to the Texas abortion civil suit law. I hope every state does this and does it often if the laws get struck down for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on June 18, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
Blue states probably will. Red states will not


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2022, 11:53:44 AM
We should probably ban cars from Democratic voters with recent events.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 18, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
We should probably ban cars from Democratic voters with recent events.
It’s a real epidemic. How many people died? Hundreds? Thousands?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2022, 12:04:11 PM
We should probably ban cars from Democratic voters with recent events.
It’s a real epidemic. How many people died? Hundreds? Thousands?


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deflectgate starring IC! Tragic!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 18, 2022, 12:20:23 PM
We should probably ban cars from Democratic voters with recent events.
great response to a point about requiring INSURANCE for guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 18, 2022, 12:26:55 PM
We should probably ban cars from Democratic voters with recent events.
great response to a point about requiring INSURANCE for guns
Yes, that was a hot one
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 18, 2022, 12:28:29 PM
We should probably ban cars from Democratic voters with recent events.
great response to a point about requiring INSURANCE for guns
Yes, that was a hot one

I wish irony were not lost on the super stupid.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 18, 2022, 03:26:42 PM
From time to time, the tree of Liberty must be refreshed by the blood of those attending potluck dinners at their church.

 https://apnews.com/article/alabama-birmingham-shootings-religion-1c773c7332c344e5ac30a1101cedeeef (https://apnews.com/article/alabama-birmingham-shootings-religion-1c773c7332c344e5ac30a1101cedeeef)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 18, 2022, 03:47:06 PM
harden potlucks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 18, 2022, 04:33:26 PM
harden potlucks
Potluck security has grown way too soft since the woke left started taking over. Tens of thousands of unemployed ex-Navy Seals who who love to protect those potlucks from bad guys with guns. A common sense solution whose time has come.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 18, 2022, 04:39:26 PM
harden potlucks
Potluck security has grown way too soft since the woke left started taking over. Tens of thousands of unemployed ex-Navy Seals who who love to protect those potlucks from bad guys with guns. A common sense solution whose time has come.

If there were a grandma with a bushmaster...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on June 18, 2022, 04:45:14 PM
I own some shot guns a deer rifle and a Glock 9mm.  How much insurance am I gonna need?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on June 18, 2022, 04:51:46 PM
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1538091672889966594

if this passes, i will simply ignore this law with absolutely no consequence.  as i assume most ca gun owners will.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 18, 2022, 05:03:52 PM
I own some shot guns a deer rifle and a Glock 9mm.  How much insurance am I gonna need?
Same except I have a .45 instead of a Glock. I don’t think the insurance should be for guns people already own but for new purchases. I would be willing to pay $50 per year for my collection. Actuaries could base the premiums on how likely the weapons are to be used in a shooting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 18, 2022, 07:17:00 PM
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1538091672889966594

if this passes, i will simply ignore this law with absolutely no consequence.  as i assume most ca gun owners will.

Maybe they’ll do like Texas and encourage private citizens to demand proof of insurance and if you don’t provide it to them then they can sue you
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2022, 07:42:16 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 18, 2022, 07:57:57 PM
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1538091672889966594

if this passes, i will simply ignore this law with absolutely no consequence.  as i assume most ca gun owners will.
Expect a no knock warrant initiated there bud
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2022, 08:46:43 PM
I would imagine you would need proof of insurance to obtain a hunting license.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2022, 09:02:45 PM
I would imagine you would need proof of insurance to obtain a hunting license.
That would be the worst use of that law IMO.

I actually would love a statute authorizing a private right to sue gun manufacturers if you’re a victim of gun violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 18, 2022, 09:40:04 PM
I would imagine you would need proof of insurance to obtain a hunting license.
That would be the worst use of that law IMO.

I actually would love a statute authorizing a private right to sue gun manufacturers if you’re a victim of gun violence.

absolutely agree. handgun/high capacity rifle? insurance and taxed to the gills imo. shotgun/243 bolt action, cool af.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 19, 2022, 03:18:22 PM
the cowardice is almost literally ubelievable
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-classroom-doors-17251116.php
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on June 20, 2022, 09:59:01 AM
COMMON GROUND!

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 20, 2022, 10:04:34 AM
Great example of minority rule.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 20, 2022, 02:19:27 PM
Looks like RINO Fox News is just begging to get Crenshaw’d
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 20, 2022, 04:53:50 PM
Looks like RINO Fox News is just begging to get Crenshaw’d

Lots of them left Fox after they had mandatory masks and pointed out that Trump is triple vaxxed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 20, 2022, 06:00:25 PM
Looks like RINO Fox News is just begging to get Crenshaw’d

Lots of them left Fox after they had mandatory masks and pointed out that Trump is triple vaxxed

I know they’re all incredibly fat and spend the majority of their time being not healthy which means watching a lot of tv…so where will they get their news from? Newsmax and OAN? I’m not sure those networks go far enough, though…
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on June 20, 2022, 06:20:47 PM
Epoch and breitbart are still chugging along
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on June 21, 2022, 08:41:41 AM
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/ (https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/)

Every update somehow worse than the last.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on June 21, 2022, 08:53:07 AM
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/ (https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/)

Every update somehow worse than the last.
It’s horrifying. I don’t understand why this is not a common ground issue. It feels like I need a gun just to get through a police barricade to protect my kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 21, 2022, 11:13:10 AM
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/ (https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/)

Every update somehow worse than the last.

The story is from 6/17...there have been several terrible updates since then...the latest from today
https://twitter.com/catherine_lucey/status/1539275132975337476
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 21, 2022, 07:18:40 PM
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/ (https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/will-we-ever-know-truth-uvalde/)

Every update somehow worse than the last.
It’s horrifying. I don’t understand why this is not a common ground issue. It feels like I need a gun just to get through a police barricade to protect my kids.

About that

https://twitter.com/ksatnews/status/1539338618308796419
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 21, 2022, 07:28:10 PM
^i can't remember a story that has gotten worse this many specific times/ways...unbelievable
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on June 21, 2022, 08:32:38 PM
At this point I'll almost be surprised if a cop didn't accidentally kill a kid
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 21, 2022, 09:03:46 PM
At this point I'll almost be surprised if a cop didn't accidentally kill a kid

I hate everything that has come out about how the 'cops' handled this.  That being said, this is why I'm not a fan of your posting..

*still would never want you banned. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 21, 2022, 09:41:28 PM
At this point I'll almost be surprised if a cop didn't accidentally kill a kid

I hate everything that has come out about how the 'cops' handled this.  That being said, this is why I'm not a fan of your posting..

*still would never want you banned.

honestly, "accidentally shooting a kid" would not be worse at all, than the horrible, cowardly (non-)actions that have already been proven.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 21, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
At this point I'll almost be surprised if a cop didn't accidentally kill a kid

I hate everything that has come out about how the 'cops' handled this.  That being said, this is why I'm not a fan of your posting..

*still would never want you banned.

honestly, "accidentally shooting a kid" would not be worse at all, than the horrible, cowardly (non-)actions that have already been proven.

It would be one possible explanation for those actions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 21, 2022, 10:01:32 PM
At this point I'll almost be surprised if a cop didn't accidentally kill a kid

I hate everything that has come out about how the 'cops' handled this.  That being said, this is why I'm not a fan of your posting..

*still would never want you banned.

honestly, "accidentally shooting a kid" would not be worse at all, than the horrible, cowardly (non-)actions that have already been proven.

It would be one possible explanation for those actions.

how do you mean?  if they shot a kid it would have had to have been at the end where they went into the classroom.  all the cowardly/incompetent non-action came before that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on June 21, 2022, 10:06:09 PM
if they shot a kid it would have had to have been at the end where they went into the classroom.

Maybe. Maybe not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on June 21, 2022, 10:08:31 PM
if they shot a kid it would have had to have been at the end where they went into the classroom.

Maybe. Maybe not.

hmm...well anything is possible, but i haven't seen anything that they fired their guns before going in
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on June 21, 2022, 10:28:55 PM
there's a new massive wtf wrinkle every day
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on June 22, 2022, 08:37:04 AM
If those fuckers rushed in immediately upon the shooter entering the building, shot him up, and accidentally shot a kid or a teacher in the process, the world would have been upset, but it wouldn't be in the same universe as this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Accidently shooting a kid for taking action to save countless lives is awful...but not near as awful as taking no action at all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 22, 2022, 08:58:21 AM
There is no bright side except the retirement of the "good guy with a gun" narrative.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 22, 2022, 09:07:06 AM
Pre-Crime?

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30170#fromrss
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on June 26, 2022, 09:46:59 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 04, 2022, 01:05:30 PM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1544019017454731264
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on July 04, 2022, 02:27:01 PM
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I enjoyed this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 04, 2022, 02:51:42 PM
America

https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1544025147694321667
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 04, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1544019017454731264

but if the nra could only advertise on days without mass shootings...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 04, 2022, 03:22:45 PM
arredondo resigned from the uvalde city council by the way
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 04, 2022, 04:10:20 PM
Shall not be infringed

https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1544044118988447745
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on July 04, 2022, 04:40:07 PM
Time to harden our Independence Day celebrations once and for all.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 04, 2022, 05:57:03 PM
https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1544047614739488770
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on July 04, 2022, 06:58:52 PM
Father of the shooter https://twitter.com/hey_late/status/1544098547670417409
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on July 04, 2022, 09:01:39 PM
https://twitter.com/nra/status/1543950331356250113?s=21&t=Td8TSSBWz-xNkwSI_yUfBA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on July 05, 2022, 09:13:06 AM
New MAGA talking point: Mass shootings are not necessarily bad or something we should be try to end. The fact that we have fourth graders covering themselves with their classmate's blood to decrease their chances of being shot shows that real Americans are giving a giant middle finger to those wussy Europeans.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 05, 2022, 02:55:15 PM
Heavy Cannabis use psychosis?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 05, 2022, 04:09:32 PM
Lol. Which MAGA figurehead has been spreading these cannabis psychosis/overdosing stories over the past week or so? I've seen it cropping up in MAGA circles. There must be a common origin. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 05, 2022, 04:11:36 PM
 :frown:

https://twitter.com/MarParNews/status/1544418629642584070
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 05, 2022, 04:15:32 PM
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1544424679296868353
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 05, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
Lol. Which MAGA figurehead has been spreading these cannabis psychosis/overdosing stories over the past week or so? I've seen it cropping up in MAGA circles. There must be a common origin.

I think it's specific to one incident that occurred yesterday.

Amazingly enough, not all roads lead back to MAGA/Putin, spracs.  (despite the best efforts of #blueanon/#blueanonGe to offload their failures on to others)   

Goodness, what a monolithic thought process.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on July 05, 2022, 05:26:44 PM
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1544424679296868353

How do you “remove”  someone’s knives from their house and not charge them?  That’s very weird.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 05, 2022, 05:28:47 PM
Lol. Which MAGA figurehead has been spreading these cannabis psychosis/overdosing stories over the past week or so? I've seen it cropping up in MAGA circles. There must be a common origin.

I think it's specific to one incident that occurred yesterday.

Amazingly enough, not all roads lead back to MAGA/Putin, spracs.  (despite the best efforts of #blueanon/#blueanonGe to offload their failures on to others)   

Goodness, what a monolithic thought process.

Naw, I've seen this popping up over the past week or so as a talking point. This wasn't just in the last 28 hours. Something is afoot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 05, 2022, 06:58:12 PM
Lol. Which MAGA figurehead has been spreading these cannabis psychosis/overdosing stories over the past week or so? I've seen it cropping up in MAGA circles. There must be a common origin.

I think it's specific to one incident that occurred yesterday.

Amazingly enough, not all roads lead back to MAGA/Putin, spracs.  (despite the best efforts of #blueanon/#blueanonGe to offload their failures on to others)   

Goodness, what a monolithic thought process.

Naw, I've seen this popping up over the past week or so as a talking point. This wasn't just in the last 28 hours. Something is afoot.

Well, if there's anyone who's in tune with all things MAGA, qAnon and incel it's you and several #blueaonGe'ers on this blog. 

So keeps us up to date and post everything you find   :thumbsup:

 :pray: :pray: :pray:  T&P's that isn't another one of your completely made up "things my parents say", like last time..



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 05, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
Lol. Which MAGA figurehead has been spreading these cannabis psychosis/overdosing stories over the past week or so? I've seen it cropping up in MAGA circles. There must be a common origin.

I think it's specific to one incident that occurred yesterday.

Amazingly enough, not all roads lead back to MAGA/Putin, spracs.  (despite the best efforts of #blueanon/#blueanonGe to offload their failures on to others)   

Goodness, what a monolithic thought process.

Naw, I've seen this popping up over the past week or so as a talking point. This wasn't just in the last 28 hours. Something is afoot.

Well, if there's anyone who's in tune with all things MAGA, qAnon and incel it's you and several #blueaonGe'ers on this blog. 

So keeps us up to date and post everything you find   :thumbsup:

 :pray: :pray: :pray:  T&P's that isn't another one of your completely made up "things my parents say", like last time..

This is just nonsense. Whatever, dude. Keep on keepin' on.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on July 05, 2022, 07:12:27 PM
:frown:

https://twitter.com/MarParNews/status/1544418629642584070

Jesus that is horrific.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on July 05, 2022, 07:17:11 PM
the marijuana psychosis stuff is from Alex Berenson. He is a moron.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 05, 2022, 07:21:11 PM
the marijuana psychosis stuff is from Alex Berenson. He is a moron.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence)

Somebody amplified it recently. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on July 05, 2022, 07:21:16 PM
the marijuana psychosis stuff is from Alex Berenson. He is a moron.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence)

reefer madness 2k22?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 05, 2022, 07:42:37 PM
the marijuana psychosis stuff is from Alex Berenson. He is a moron.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence)

Somebody amplified it recently. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
This freak

https://twitter.com/evesimmns/status/1543262601517289473
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 05, 2022, 07:43:20 PM
the marijuana psychosis stuff is from Alex Berenson. He is a moron.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/14/18175446/alex-berenson-tell-your-children-marijuana-psychosis-violence)
Yes, not surprisingly he is a huge antivax conspiracy theorist as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 05, 2022, 07:59:59 PM
Zero drug arrests but has been a confirmed crazy maga for a spell.

Can put away the drug theory.  He just got too maga and got handed deadly firearms to do crazy maga crap
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wiley on July 05, 2022, 09:38:27 PM
:frown:

https://twitter.com/MarParNews/status/1544418629642584070
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 05, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
Zero drug arrests but has been a confirmed crazy maga for a spell.

Can put away the drug theory.  He just got too maga and got handed deadly firearms to do crazy maga crap

A collaborator said he wasn't MAGA or #blueanon, just nuts.

MAGA  :lol: :lol:  Is this another whack-a-doo #blueanon conspiracy theory?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 05, 2022, 10:02:53 PM
#blueanonGe:  Pfft, cannabis driven psychosis is a complete myth, besides I read it High Times, and all journalists we don't like are whackjobs.

NIH: It's complicated (like most sciency things)

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 05, 2022, 11:40:41 PM
man they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to things to blame instead of guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 12:30:23 AM
man they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to things to blame instead of guns

As I've said before, I'm all for tighter gun laws.

But it's just laughable and sad to watch #blueanon continually lay it all on the gun(s).   The amazing level of theatrics it takes to do everything but blame it on the perp.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 06, 2022, 03:35:44 AM
Well Dax, our incredibly high rate of gun ownership in the USA correlates pretty damn well with our incredibly high rate of gun deaths.

Are you arguing the US also blows other countries out of the water in marijuana use?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2022, 09:41:55 AM
here we go

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2022, 09:56:21 AM
The thing is, there is more to it than guns and I think a lot of people acknowledge this. It is said in different ways-- the right talks a lot about kids "not being raised right" or "schools" or "not going to church" but a large part of what many of those old enough to remember (not hucksters and media figures) are mourning is a loss of community and civic life.

One of the things that I was lucky enough to grow up around was a large community of my parent's friends that became like family as my parents did not live close to any family. They tailgated together, they had parties for each other's birthdays, they played games together. This was in addition to the myriad other connections that people forged through work, through youth and adult sports leagues run by the city, and yes through their churches. Pretty much all of those things are fundamentally broken or absent in people's lives.

People don't build any community through any of these places anymore. We are all strangers to each other-- our neighbors, our coworkers, even our friends are all increasingly mediated through layers of alienation. Once upon a time, this here blog site was able to transcend this, we started doing meetups, we lost a dear friend and we built a room dedicated in his honor in the library at our alma mater.

I honestly doubt that now even though we are almost all more wealthy and would be more able than ever to do something to honor one of our friends that we would be able to muster it. The rot is all around us and we can't quite put our finger on it or name it and we can all come up with a million other names or causes from marijuana to COVID lockdowns to mental health to Trump or whatever but it is here and when you add in the rifles and a few mags anyone that is angry and alienated can deposit their rage on strangers.

We finally have found a way to be perfectly autonomous, individuals under no obligation to anyone else.

Basically we are living in Deadwood as Ellsworth describes it:

"I may have mumped up my life flatter'n hammered crap, but I stand here before you today beholden to no human cocksucker, and holdin' a workin' fuckin' gold claim, and not the U.S. government tellin' me I'm trespassin', or the savage fuckin' red man or any of these other limber-dick cocksuckers passin' themselves off as prospectors had better try and stop me."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
Always have loved that quote kk
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 10:07:04 AM
here we go

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/)

They have to.  He was maga AF

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/chicago-shooting-suspect-everything-know-27399342

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 10:18:16 AM
here we go

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/)

They have to.  He was maga AF

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/chicago-shooting-suspect-everything-know-27399342

 :lol: :lol: at being MAGA

Analysts have not been able to find a “a clear political or ideological motive” (Washington Post).
(https://i.ibb.co/qJkHxS7/https-bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984-s3-amazonaws-com-public-images-1c7ddf57-a948-44.webp)

Just another #blueanon/#blueanonGe conspiracy theory. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 10:21:10 AM
trump flag and trump rallies tho.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on July 06, 2022, 10:22:43 AM
I honestly doubt that now even though we are almost all more wealthy and would be more able than ever to do something to honor one of our friends that we would be able to muster it.

:dubious:

1) I just saw you in KC at the very successful event for Brady.
2) Let’s get our crap together and plan the first non-fundraising, all-pak’n FattyFest.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on July 06, 2022, 10:25:44 AM
The thing is, there is more to it than guns and I think a lot of people acknowledge this. It is said in different ways-- the right talks a lot about kids "not being raised right" or "schools" or "not going to church" but a large part of what many of those old enough to remember (not hucksters and media figures) are mourning is a loss of community and civic life.

One of the things that I was lucky enough to grow up around was a large community of my parent's friends that became like family as my parents did not live close to any family. They tailgated together, they had parties for each other's birthdays, they played games together. This was in addition to the myriad other connections that people forged through work, through youth and adult sports leagues run by the city, and yes through their churches. Pretty much all of those things are fundamentally broken or absent in people's lives.

People don't build any community through any of these places anymore. We are all strangers to each other-- our neighbors, our coworkers, even our friends are all increasingly mediated through layers of alienation. Once upon a time, this here blog site was able to transcend this, we started doing meetups, we lost a dear friend and we built a room dedicated in his honor in the library at our alma mater.

I honestly doubt that now even though we are almost all more wealthy and would be more able than ever to do something to honor one of our friends that we would be able to muster it. The rot is all around us and we can't quite put our finger on it or name it and we can all come up with a million other names or causes from marijuana to COVID lockdowns to mental health to Trump or whatever but it is here and when you add in the rifles and a few mags anyone that is angry and alienated can deposit their rage on strangers.

We finally have found a way to be perfectly autonomous, individuals under no obligation to anyone else.

Basically we are living in Deadwood as Ellsworth describes it:

"I may have mumped up my life flatter'n hammered crap, but I stand here before you today beholden to no human cocksucker, and holdin' a workin' fuckin' gold claim, and not the U.S. government tellin' me I'm trespassin', or the savage fuckin' red man or any of these other limber-dick cocksuckers passin' themselves off as prospectors had better try and stop me."

I think this is a big part of it.  I think there are many people who can't look past someone's opinion on an issue that doesn't match theirs without branding them with the Scarlet Letter of "The Other Side".  I know I don't agree with opinions of a lot of my friends on here.  However, I still enjoy their company and don't ostracize them because they have a different viewpoint than I do.  I don't understand why more people can't just accept that we won't all agree on issues (and don't have to) and move on to treat everyone like humans.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 10:31:49 AM
Well Dax, our incredibly high rate of gun ownership in the USA correlates pretty damn well with our incredibly high rate of gun deaths.

Are you arguing the US also blows other countries out of the water in marijuana use?

First of all, thank you for admitting you didn't read about the NIH research I posted. Please just stick to High Times like the rest of #blueanonGe to get all your in-depth information about the potential psychological impact of heavy cannabis use for some people. 

The U.S. has lots of guns and only a select few using them to commit crimes.  In the case of mass shootings, there is always or almost always a substantial physiological component involved.

That said, I support mandatory minimums, and the banning of certain types of weapons. Unfortunately our society has created a class of individuals that lack the psychological capacity to understand what it means to pull the trigger of a weapon.  IMO that mindset is driven by a variety of factors, including the factor of an entertainment industry that has made billions of dollars glorifying and sanitizing gun violence and imprinting on certain types of mentally challenged individuals.   




Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2022, 10:31:53 AM
I honestly doubt that now even though we are almost all more wealthy and would be more able than ever to do something to honor one of our friends that we would be able to muster it.

:dubious:

1) I just saw you in KC at the very successful event for Brady.
2) Let’s get our crap together and plan the first non-fundraising, all-pak’n FattyFest.
1 is a good counter point. Maybe we still have some juice.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 06, 2022, 10:53:48 AM
Thread

https://twitter.com/dsrwnews/status/1544335108848685057
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
decent points.  I will concede this wasn't all about maga
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 11:08:05 AM
I've posted about 2 #blueanon whack-a-doo conspiracy theories making the rounds in the last week. #blueanonGe of course doesn't comment because it only affirms the easily manipulated minds of #blueanon (numbering in the millions).

We can now add a third, that of course is the conspiracy theory that this guy was some kind of hardcore MAGA type.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on July 06, 2022, 11:09:41 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-pushes-link-medication-mass-shootings-highland-park-1721631 (https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-pushes-link-medication-mass-shootings-highland-park-1721631)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 06, 2022, 11:09:52 AM
Well Dax, our incredibly high rate of gun ownership in the USA correlates pretty damn well with our incredibly high rate of gun deaths.

Are you arguing the US also blows other countries out of the water in marijuana use?

First of all, thank you for admitting you didn't read about the NIH research I posted. Please just stick to High Times like the rest of #blueanonGe to get all your in-depth information about the potential psychological impact of heavy cannabis use for some people. 

The U.S. has lots of guns and only a select few using them to commit crimes.  In the case of mass shootings, there is always or almost always a substantial physiological component involved.


The article said nothing about Americans’ use of marijuana compared to other countries’.

And no crap there’s a psychological component to mass murderers. The point is that we’re making it extremely easy for those predisposed to mass murder to get the tools they need to mass murder.

Among people begging for US gun control laws today, most would (sadly) be totally content with a mass shooting rate anywhere close to other developed nations. The psychological point is a total non sequitur in that regard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on July 06, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-pushes-link-medication-mass-shootings-highland-park-1721631 (https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-pushes-link-medication-mass-shootings-highland-park-1721631)

It's almost like ppl on medication for mental illness maybe shouldn't be able to buy guns.  Wait! No!  I didn't mean that!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2022, 11:15:25 AM
You aren't allowed to buy a gun if you smoke weed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 11:16:09 AM
Well Dax, our incredibly high rate of gun ownership in the USA correlates pretty damn well with our incredibly high rate of gun deaths.

Are you arguing the US also blows other countries out of the water in marijuana use?

First of all, thank you for admitting you didn't read about the NIH research I posted. Please just stick to High Times like the rest of #blueanonGe to get all your in-depth information about the potential psychological impact of heavy cannabis use for some people. 

The U.S. has lots of guns and only a select few using them to commit crimes.  In the case of mass shootings, there is always or almost always a substantial physiological component involved.


The article said nothing about Americans’ use of marijuana compared to other countries’.  I haven't even discussed the usage of marijuania in the U.S. as compared to other countries.  That has nothing to do with the research I posted.  cat talking point: Fail

And no crap there’s a psychological component to mass murderers. The point is that we’re making it extremely easy for those predisposed to mass murder to get the tools they need to mass murder.  I've already stated my support for stricter gun laws precisely for the reason you just stated.  Proving that you don't actually follow along with anything. cat talking point: Fail

Among people begging for US gun control laws today, most would (sadly) be totally content with a mass shooting rate anywhere close to other developed nations. The psychological point is a total non sequitur in that regard.  Thank you for your opinion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2022, 11:17:57 AM
Thread

https://twitter.com/dsrwnews/status/1544335108848685057

This made me think of dax multiple times  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 11:22:04 AM
Thread

https://twitter.com/dsrwnews/status/1544335108848685057

This made me think of dax multiple times  :frown:

It immediately made me think of #blueanon/#blueanonGe.

Just in the last week:  Night of Rage-A CIA plot to make pro abortion people look bad.  #blueanoners stating that the Anti-Trans movement is manipulated by Russian Intelligence, Chinese Intelligence and Mossad to make the pro LGBTQ movement look bad.

The difference of course is that the massive number of #blueanon whack-a-doo conspiracy theories thrive right out in the open in places like Tweeter. 







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 06, 2022, 11:25:33 AM
here we go

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/)

They have to.  He was maga AF

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/chicago-shooting-suspect-everything-know-27399342

Ah, Tucker and Laura are spreading it. That explains it. Thanks, KK!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 01:14:24 PM
You attend a few maga rallies in a donald trump cape and the next thing you know...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 01:15:34 PM
The simple brained #blueanonGe'er:  All roads lead to Putin/MAGA

#onbrand

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 01:19:59 PM
The simple brained #blueanonGe'er:  All roads lead to Putin/MAGA

#onbrand

sorry bub.  You are stuck with this guy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 01:28:08 PM
The vacillation of the simple brained #blueanoner is a fantastic observation.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
the "he wasn't maga" versus "he was suffering from reefer madness" are having a dogfight for the least credible most incel talking point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on July 06, 2022, 01:41:43 PM
the "he wasn't maga" versus "he was suffering from reefer madness" are having a dogfight for the least credible most incel talking point.

Starting to seem like maybe Maga has a huge drug problem   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 01:41:51 PM
the "he wasn't maga" versus "he was suffering from reefer madness" are having a dogfight for the least credible most incel talking point.

It hasn't been stated that he was having reefer madness, it's a theory. Smart people get this.

What's been stated by those who knew/know him is that he was not MAGA or probably even #blueanon.

The simple brained #blueanonGe'r wants to make this all about politics.  Also the same person/people drawing all of their "knowledge" about reefer madness from what reefer advocates tell them to think.  Which is also onbrand for the easily manipulated #blueanon/#blueanonGe'er
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
the "he wasn't maga" versus "he was suffering from reefer madness" are having a dogfight for the least credible most incel talking point.

Starting to seem like maybe Maga has a huge drug problem   :dunno:

The real cucks are going with "he wasn't maga" because it seems they know he will be drug tested and they are afraid of that crap theory tucker tried out being blown up.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 01:45:18 PM
The simple brained #blueanon'er was the one derping about (as usual) how he wasn't "all MAGA'  :lol: just a few posts back.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on July 06, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
What at thoroughly contemptible person. What kind of morons would buy into this stuff:

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1544675706839465984?s=21&t=I-8JAlcOPz8bkKZDItweBg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on July 06, 2022, 03:12:14 PM
She sounds eerily familiar...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 06, 2022, 03:12:18 PM
Well Dax, our incredibly high rate of gun ownership in the USA correlates pretty damn well with our incredibly high rate of gun deaths.

Are you arguing the US also blows other countries out of the water in marijuana use?

First of all, thank you for admitting you didn't read about the NIH research I posted. Please just stick to High Times like the rest of #blueanonGe to get all your in-depth information about the potential psychological impact of heavy cannabis use for some people. 

The U.S. has lots of guns and only a select few using them to commit crimes.  In the case of mass shootings, there is always or almost always a substantial physiological component involved.

That said, I support mandatory minimums, and the banning of certain types of weapons. Unfortunately our society has created a class of individuals that lack the psychological capacity to understand what it means to pull the trigger of a weapon.  IMO that mindset is driven by a variety of factors, including the factor of an entertainment industry that has made billions of dollars glorifying and sanitizing gun violence and imprinting on certain types of mentally challenged individuals.

Totally agree with your 3rd paragraph.  It would also be nice if the media wouldn't continue a 24/7 feeding frenzy on these killings.  I think some of these idiots want to have their 15 minutes of fame and know they can... or in most cases, days or weeks of it.  Cover it and move on for gods sake.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 06, 2022, 05:26:28 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 05:28:45 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

Many of these types of events are completely ignored because they don't meet a criteria and pivot point to work a political angle.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 06, 2022, 06:50:52 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Katpappy on July 06, 2022, 07:43:57 PM
Deadwood, what a great western show.  It just didn't hold back and pussify the old west like many other westerns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 06, 2022, 07:55:18 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 06, 2022, 09:41:01 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 06, 2022, 09:52:31 PM
wtf

https://abc7.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-officer-asked-to-shoot-suspect-active-shooter/12024385/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 10:41:48 PM
https://apnews.com/article/shootings-arrests-richmond-virginia-3eea153d36946090d16707f0928c029c

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 06, 2022, 10:46:28 PM
wtf

https://abc7.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-officer-asked-to-shoot-suspect-active-shooter/12024385/

the insanity never ends with this story.  out of all times to not be trigger-happy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 06, 2022, 11:40:50 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2022, 11:48:49 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?

We've already got you marked down as blaming it all on the gun.  No need to keep doubling down.

Hopefully when the gun goes on trial it offers some good daytime drama.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 07, 2022, 12:56:18 AM
^you are demented.

here's an interview with the surviving teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/us/uvalde-teacher-survivor-arnie-reyes/index.html
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2022, 08:19:27 AM
^you are demented.

here's an interview with the surviving teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/us/uvalde-teacher-survivor-arnie-reyes/index.html
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. 

#blueanon at this point is clearly more interested in talking about the guns then talking about the perps who commit these crimes (unless they feel like talking about the perp can score more political points than talking about the gun).

Since #blueanonGe can’t ever manage to follow along.  Once again I’ll state that I’m all for tougher gun laws.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2022, 08:22:43 AM
^you are demented.

here's an interview with the surviving teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/us/uvalde-teacher-survivor-arnie-reyes/index.html
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. 

#blueanon at this point is clearly more interested in talking about the guns then talking about the perps who commit these crimes (unless they feel like talking about the perp can score more political points than talking about the gun).

Since #blueanonGe can’t ever manage to follow along.  Once again I’ll state that I’m all for tougher gun laws.

Then don't have a tantrum ITT when people suggest tougher gun laws, that you are in favor of.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 07, 2022, 08:25:50 AM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?

I never said guns weren't the problem.  There are an array of factors that contribute to this issue I'm sure.  The fact that you want to blame only guns shows your total stupidity.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2022, 08:27:58 AM
^you are demented.

here's an interview with the surviving teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/us/uvalde-teacher-survivor-arnie-reyes/index.html
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. 

#blueanon at this point is clearly more interested in talking about the guns then talking about the perps who commit these crimes (unless they feel like talking about the perp can score more political points than talking about the gun).

Since #blueanonGe can’t ever manage to follow along.  Once again I’ll state that I’m all for tougher gun laws.

Then don't have a tantrum ITT when people suggest tougher gun laws, that you are in favor of.
I’m not having a tantrum and it’s hilarious to once again see you pop in and prove you can’t follow along and don’t have a clue. 

#onbrand
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 07, 2022, 08:59:05 AM
All for tougher gun laws. Just won't vote for someone who supports tougher gun laws under any circumstance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2022, 09:00:46 AM
All for tougher gun laws but WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE WEED?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2022, 09:04:18 AM
weed, social media, and gun laws. Two similarities and one difference with everywhere else on the planet where this doesn’t constantly happen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2022, 10:00:33 AM
It's amazing to watch the usual's showing they're incapable of differentiating between the gun and the perp.  Yet they do it all day, every day.

To think, most of them claim to be K-State alums. What a sad day for our beloved university.

Then they double down on deflectobotting by bringing up weed, convinced that weed is never an issue.  Meanwhile, our NIH (which coronabroGe trusts with all of their hearts and minds) says that weed may in fact generate psychosis in people with certain genetic profiles. 

Why talk about drugs, the proliferation of Methylphenidate or similar drugs, the mental health crisis our country faces etc. etc..  Just talk about the guns (and switch to the perp only when political points from the perp can exceed the political points made by talking about the gun).

#blueanonGe #onbrand

 :thumbsup:



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 07, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
^you are demented.

here's an interview with the surviving teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/us/uvalde-teacher-survivor-arnie-reyes/index.html
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. 

It was a 2-for-1 Topic post
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2022, 11:28:25 AM
^you are demented.

here's an interview with the surviving teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/us/uvalde-teacher-survivor-arnie-reyes/index.html
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. 

It was a 2-for-1 Topic post

dal9, another gE poster who cannot separate the perp from the gun.

It is possible, we can talk about what drives people to commit these crimes, and we can also talk about gun control.  I am confident that the brain power of K-State alums are capable of this discussion.   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 07, 2022, 12:25:20 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?

I never said guns weren't the problem.  There are an array of factors that contribute to this issue I'm sure.  The fact that you want to blame only guns shows your total stupidity.

Hi idiot. I, nor anyone, asserted it was only the guns and no other contributing factor. However, since you're really smart and already know this I'll just explain to the folks at home... The other "factors" you want to focus on are completely nebulous gray areas that are virtually impossible to effectively monitor. Guns are pretty simple.

So like sure, we could focus our efforts on mental health instead because that makes a lot of sense, a person's mental health remains pretty static and wouldn't require constant monitoring. Fantastic idea, no doubt it will work swimmingly and nobody will slip through those nets.

OR! or...
We maybe have at least a modicum of restriction on obtaining and owning a firearm rather than just handing them out for free with purchase of microwave.

After we cure the mental health problem (should be p easy) I say we then declare war on jealousy. Whatcha think perp? (Aka Mr Galaxy brain)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2022, 02:04:04 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?

I never said guns weren't the problem.  There are an array of factors that contribute to this issue I'm sure.  The fact that you want to blame only guns shows your total stupidity.

Hi idiot. I, nor anyone, asserted it was only the guns and no other contributing factor. However, since you're really smart and already know this I'll just explain to the folks at home... The other "factors" you want to focus on are completely nebulous gray areas that are virtually impossible to effectively monitor. Guns are pretty simple.

So like sure, we could focus our efforts on mental health instead because that makes a lot of sense, a person's mental health remains pretty static and wouldn't require constant monitoring. Fantastic idea, no doubt it will work swimmingly and nobody will slip through those nets.

OR! or...
We maybe have at least a modicum of restriction on obtaining and owning a firearm rather than just handing them out for free with purchase of microwave.

After we cure the mental health problem (should be p easy) I say we then declare war on jealousy. Whatcha think perp? (Aka Mr Galaxy brain)

Yes. We can BOTH prioritize mental health AND implement tougher gun laws, but only the latter will have an immediate impact on gun violence (the topic of this thread, for those who have trouble keeping up). Let's do both at the same time!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
I am with dax as to mandatory drug testing as part of the background checks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 07, 2022, 02:14:37 PM
Would our mental health problems be better or worse without the easy access to marijuana? It seems you could draw a reasonable conclusion on either side of that one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Justwin on July 07, 2022, 02:16:03 PM
Would our mental health problems be better or worse without the easy access to marijuana? It seems you could draw a reasonable conclusion on either side of that one.

Really only one way to find out the answer.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2022, 02:16:53 PM
dude might have had vaping madness
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 07, 2022, 02:30:41 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?

I never said guns weren't the problem.  There are an array of factors that contribute to this issue I'm sure.  The fact that you want to blame only guns shows your total stupidity.

Hi idiot. I, nor anyone, asserted it was only the guns and no other contributing factor. However, since you're really smart and already know this I'll just explain to the folks at home... The other "factors" you want to focus on are completely nebulous gray areas that are virtually impossible to effectively monitor. Guns are pretty simple.

So like sure, we could focus our efforts on mental health instead because that makes a lot of sense, a person's mental health remains pretty static and wouldn't require constant monitoring. Fantastic idea, no doubt it will work swimmingly and nobody will slip through those nets.

OR! or...
We maybe have at least a modicum of restriction on obtaining and owning a firearm rather than just handing them out for free with purchase of microwave.

After we cure the mental health problem (should be p easy) I say we then declare war on jealousy. Whatcha think perp? (Aka Mr Galaxy brain)

Yes. We can BOTH prioritize mental health AND implement tougher gun laws, but only the latter will have an immediate impact on gun violence (the topic of this thread, for those who have trouble keeping up). Let's do both at the same time!

100% agree these initiatives are not mutually exclusive and should both be implemented concurrently. Also for the life of me I cannot fathom (nor have I heard) any logical argument for why private citizens need assault rifles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2022, 02:38:45 PM
Unfortunately this is the BEST reason I’ve seen

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 07, 2022, 02:59:24 PM
Someone needs to tell that rural gentleman about moats.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 07, 2022, 03:01:32 PM
Also JFC how can you expect your children to survive in an area where 50 feral hogs can strike at any hour on only a few minutes’ notice?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 07, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
I am happy to volunteer my time and money to help anyone who legitimately has a feral hog problem build a wrought iron fence around their yard or at least where their children play
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 07, 2022, 03:07:25 PM
I want to know just how slow these hogs are that you get a few minutes' notice. Unless you are openly carrying your AR at all times in your back yard, those kids are pig food and it's all your fault.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on July 07, 2022, 03:12:01 PM
Seems like the feral hog problem presents a huge opportunity for the ammosexuals to get their rocks/bullets off. 

Maybe a govt program that pays for their gas, or jalopy repairs, to get the right person in the right place at the right time to blast some commie pigs.  They can do that with standard hunting rifles. 

Maybe said govt program can also hand out participation medals for said hog hunts.  We can set aside areas where they can go pray before and after.  We can even cook up the hogs to feed their huge appetites.  This could be a great work program for Maga and put some of those guys back to work. 

They gain confidence by having a job again, they get to blast things, they get fed, they get their rust buckets fixed, and the feral hog pandemic of 2022 gets resolved. 

Seems as win/win as some out of breath, out of work, hungry, gas money-needing hicks can get.

Maybe this new sense of meaning will help them kick their drug problems that they are all now worried about.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2022, 03:12:45 PM
I want to know just how slow these hogs are that you get a few minutes' notice. Unless you are openly carrying your AR at all times in your back yard, those kids are pig food and it's all your fault.

Feral hog warnings have improved in recent years, but even so, folks get at best a 2-5 minute advance warning. That's why I've designed the Dorothy III system. The Dorothy III is designed to be placed in the path of a charging hoard of feral hogs. Assuming correct placement, when the hoard passes over the Dorothy III, the Dorothy III deploys a payload of tiny sensors that track the movements inside of a hoard and will give us data and measurements the likes of which we've never seen inside a hoard of feral hogs. It will be a gamechanger. And it will save lives.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 07, 2022, 03:17:43 PM
I want to know just how slow these hogs are that you get a few minutes' notice. Unless you are openly carrying your AR at all times in your back yard, those kids are pig food and it's all your fault.

Feral hog warnings have improved in recent years, but even so, folks get at best a 2-5 minute advance warning. That's why I've designed the Dorothy III system. The Dorothy III is designed to be placed in the path of a charging hoard of feral hogs. Assuming correct placement, when the hoard passes over the Dorothy III, the Dorothy III deploys a payload of tiny sensors that track the movements inside of a hoard and will give us data and measurements the likes of which we've never seen inside a hoard of feral hogs. It will be a gamechanger. And it will save lives.

What a load of hogwash. Don't listen to this man.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 07, 2022, 03:39:02 PM
Seems like the feral hog problem presents a huge opportunity for the ammosexuals to get their rocks/bullets off. 

Maybe a govt program that pays for their gas, or jalopy repairs, to get the right person in the right place at the right time to blast some commie pigs.  They can do that with standard hunting rifles. 

Maybe said govt program can also hand out participation medals for said hog hunts.  We can set aside areas where they can go pray before and after.  We can even cook up the hogs to feed their huge appetites.  This could be a great work program for Maga and put some of those guys back to work. 

They gain confidence by having a job again, they get to blast things, they get fed, they get their rust buckets fixed, and the feral hog pandemic of 2022 gets resolved. 

Seems as win/win as some out of breath, out of work, hungry, gas money-needing hicks can get.

Maybe this new sense of meaning will help them kick their drug problems that they are all now worried about.

pandemic is right! We are getting ravaged by ~0.5 attacks per year in the United States.

https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=icwdm_wdmconfproc (https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=icwdm_wdmconfproc)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 07, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
ok i've changed my mind. Guns for everyone. I.D. and your A.R. 2 things you would be wise to have on you at all times. effin hogs, man.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2022, 04:08:27 PM
I want to know just how slow these hogs are that you get a few minutes' notice. Unless you are openly carrying your AR at all times in your back yard, those kids are pig food and it's all your fault.

Feral hog warnings have improved in recent years, but even so, folks get at best a 2-5 minute advance warning. That's why I've designed the Dorothy III system. The Dorothy III is designed to be placed in the path of a charging hoard of feral hogs. Assuming correct placement, when the hoard passes over the Dorothy III, the Dorothy III deploys a payload of tiny sensors that track the movements inside of a hoard and will give us data and measurements the likes of which we've never seen inside a hoard of feral hogs. It will be a gamechanger. And it will save lives.

What a load of hogwash. Don't listen to this man.

(https://c.tenor.com/4HnFYmXx1TUAAAAC/twister-bill-paxton.gif)

:alleyoop:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 07, 2022, 09:18:12 PM
quick thoughts and prayers and then let's ignore the problem...no flaws in that plan

wtf are you even talking about?  You want to continue to let the press "glamorize" this crap?

We really should just ignore it. Kind of a nothing burger really. Dog bites man, etc. let’s keep it moving, folks

Right!  Let's continue to give these ghouls prime-time status for days. That will stop the copy cats from wanting attention.

Ah ok, so the guns aren’t the problem, it’s these attention craving people just wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Got it. Just curious so that I can keep up in the future…what will be the next thing that we blame all this gun violence on instead of, you know, guns? I suppose unsecured ladders/fire escapes?

I never said guns weren't the problem.  There are an array of factors that contribute to this issue I'm sure.  The fact that you want to blame only guns shows your total stupidity.

Hi idiot. I, nor anyone, asserted it was only the guns and no other contributing factor. However, since you're really smart and already know this I'll just explain to the folks at home... The other "factors" you want to focus on are completely nebulous gray areas that are virtually impossible to effectively monitor. Guns are pretty simple. I'm an idiot because I think there are multiple ways to attack the issue?  Got it.  Gun control would have no 'nebulous gray areas huh?  :jerk: (ftp://:jerk:)

So like sure, we could focus our efforts on mental health instead because that makes a lot of sense, a person's mental health remains pretty static and wouldn't require constant monitoring. Fantastic idea, no doubt it will work swimmingly and nobody will slip through those nets.No one would slip thru new gun laws either?

OR! or...
We maybe have at least a modicum of restriction on obtaining and owning a firearm rather than just handing them out for free with purchase of microwave. Never said anything to refute your opinion on this.  You just want to name call apparently because YOU think you're the smart guy? lol

After we cure the mental health problem (should be p easy) I say we then declare war on jealousy. Whatcha think perp? (Aka Mr Galaxy brain) Total gibberish from a total clown

I'm all for restriction on assault rifles, raising the age limit, background checks etc etc.  That in itself will not keep this from happening but would be the fastest way to curb some of this crap, totally agree.  Will it help 100%?  Nope but that's where we can address the other areas to prevent it even more. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on July 07, 2022, 11:32:16 PM
We have a quote function, sheesh
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on July 08, 2022, 12:41:38 AM
Crimo's father "has no regret" about helping son get gun:

“Do I regret that? No, not three years ago -- signing a consent form to go through the process … that’s all it was,” said Crimo, adding that he is not worried about potential legal consequences. “Had I purchased guns throughout the years and given them to him in my name, that's a different story. But he went through that whole process himself.” Crimo said his son purchased the weapons with his own money and registered them in his own name.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/h...

guy never had a chance being raised by a psycho like this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2022, 07:23:58 AM
Gun culture is an incredibly bizzare cult. The NRA and their politicians have poisoned so many brains.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 08, 2022, 07:37:25 AM
We have a quote function, sheesh
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Yeah, sorry about that. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 08, 2022, 07:42:23 AM
Crimo's father "has no regret" about helping son get gun:

“Do I regret that? No, not three years ago -- signing a consent form to go through the process … that’s all it was,” said Crimo, adding that he is not worried about potential legal consequences. “Had I purchased guns throughout the years and given them to him in my name, that's a different story. But he went through that whole process himself.” Crimo said his son purchased the weapons with his own money and registered them in his own name.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/h...

guy never had a chance being raised by a psycho like this

Perfect example of why stricter gun laws won't in itself work.  Should have stricter penalties against a-holes like this regardless of his worries about not being prosecuted.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2022, 10:04:59 AM
Crimo's father "has no regret" about helping son get gun:

“Do I regret that? No, not three years ago -- signing a consent form to go through the process … that’s all it was,” said Crimo, adding that he is not worried about potential legal consequences. “Had I purchased guns throughout the years and given them to him in my name, that's a different story. But he went through that whole process himself.” Crimo said his son purchased the weapons with his own money and registered them in his own name.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/h...

guy never had a chance being raised by a psycho like this

Perfect example of why stricter gun laws won't in itself work.  Should have stricter penalties against a-holes like this regardless of his worries about not being prosecuted.

banning assault weapons would have worked here. adding licensing and insurance requirements would have made this rough rider think twice as well. there are tons of stricter gun laws that could have helped in this situation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 08, 2022, 10:05:59 AM
Unfortunately this is the BEST reason I’ve seen

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yes, this is the goat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2022, 10:39:24 AM
Gun culture is an incredibly bizzare cult. The NRA and their politicians have poisoned so many brains.

Stupid cult member/legislator in AZ:

Quote
“I have five grandchildren,” the congresswoman began in last month’s speech. “I would do anything—anything—to protect my five grandchildren. Including, as a last resort, shooting them, if I had to, to protect the lives of my grandchildren.” Growing more angry, Lesko then accused Democrats of trying to “take away my right to protect my grandchildren” and “the rights of law-abiding citizens to protect their own children.”

She says she mixed up her speech, but good grief.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2022, 04:32:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ThePabs_/status/1546959605795901442
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2022, 04:43:42 PM
thank god we have cops to keep us rough ridin' safe everyone

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstater on July 12, 2022, 04:51:38 PM
Gotta make sure to sanitize your hands after sticking your thumb up your ass(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220712/1de2501d771714edd759199bebf892ee.jpg)

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2022, 04:51:58 PM
Defund the police seems pretty reasonable at the moment
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on July 12, 2022, 09:22:58 PM
that was so hard to watch

just impossible to understand
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2022, 09:43:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ThePabs_/status/1546959605795901442

that is really sad but on point.  the punisher logo is pretty much a universal sign of incel now
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2022, 09:45:46 PM
bury the good guy with a gun mantra with those officers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on July 13, 2022, 10:44:54 AM
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1546901667240505345
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 13, 2022, 11:34:01 AM
Will be fun to watch that one play out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 13, 2022, 01:12:26 PM
Will be fun to watch that one play out.

have you seen the chuds on our SC?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on July 17, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
Look at this rough ridin' bozo
https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1547586884376834049

The entire thread is crap, literally all of it. I loled at this
https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1547586913296478208
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 17, 2022, 02:45:32 PM
Sounds like the police were the real victims here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on July 17, 2022, 07:44:06 PM
Im trying to think of a time when BLM ever was on the side of a guy brandishing an assault rifle, much less one near a school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on July 17, 2022, 10:22:02 PM
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37 (https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37)

We finally got one! Good guy with a gun shoots and kills bad guy with a gun (who still managed to kill three people and injure many others).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on July 17, 2022, 10:33:17 PM
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37 (https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37)

We finally got one! Good guy with a gun shoots and kills bad guy with a gun (who still managed to kill three people and injure many others).
Not too bad


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 25, 2022, 07:57:29 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1551230484738342913?s=20&t=TSddx6vteYUbXC10GUbM-A
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on July 31, 2022, 05:44:42 PM
lol.

https://twitter.com/Xaniken/status/1553758094404075525
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
Having no idea what it costs to 3-D print something, I wonder what the profit margin is on those.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on August 01, 2022, 02:57:27 PM
it was claimed in that thread that materials would be $5-10 per gun, but no idea if that's accurate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on September 22, 2022, 01:07:31 PM
good guys with guns, etc

https://twitter.com/K12ssdb/status/1573006607629578240?s=20&t=ny2vOckHK0Ln8pT9ksMNpQ
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on September 22, 2022, 02:03:44 PM
Notice his name wasn't published and he certainly wasn't fired.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 22, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
At the very least take his punisher tatoo
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 22, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Those cops in Uvalde are seeing that story and thinking “oh crap we could have just shot him through the wall?? Gosh darn it!”
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2022, 02:22:59 PM
5 Years ago yesterday.  The largest mass shooting in U.S.

FBI Final Report:  3 pages, no motive established

The end
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2022, 02:35:11 PM
What's your theory dax?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 02, 2022, 03:15:41 PM
What's your theory dax?

It’s that the fbi sux and is being assholes re: trump.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 02, 2022, 03:55:34 PM
What's your theory dax?

It’s that the fbi sux and is being assholes re: trump.
#lowiq poster rolls on
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2022, 03:07:45 PM
5 Years ago yesterday.  The largest mass shooting in U.S.

FBI Final Report:  3 pages, no motive established

The end

So, what is your theory? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 03, 2022, 05:16:04 PM
 :dunno: :dunno:

Just seems a little strange that the largest mass shooting in U.S. history gets summed up in 3 pages with no discussion of motive by our nations "premiere" law enforcement agency.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2022, 05:25:36 PM
:dunno: :dunno:

Just seems a little strange that the largest mass shooting in U.S. history gets summed up in 3 pages with no discussion of motive by our nations "premiere" law enforcement agency.

For sure.  Do you want to go on a limb and say this was an FBI job?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 03, 2022, 05:33:52 PM
:dunno: :dunno:

Just seems a little strange that the largest mass shooting in U.S. history gets summed up in 3 pages with no discussion of motive by our nations "premiere" law enforcement agency.

For sure.  Do you want to go on a limb and say this was an FBI job?

You mean like Jan. 6?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 03, 2022, 05:50:20 PM
DeflectoCon(s)gE:  Deploy!!

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 03, 2022, 06:21:21 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2022, 08:43:42 AM
amaze
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2022, 09:12:17 AM
We hate guns, but we don't really care if the FBI basically DNGAF about the largest mass shooting in U.S. history . . . #blueanongE

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2022, 09:18:38 AM
What's your theory dax?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2022, 09:26:08 AM
I always wait until dax doubles or triples down to google wtf he’s misrepresenting and it’s always lol.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2022, 09:27:50 AM
I always wait until dax doubles or triples down to google wtf he’s misrepresenting and it’s always lol.

for sure. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2022, 09:56:18 AM
I'm just waiting for #blueanongE to come up with the usual high level of derp to explain how a 3 page public report with no explanation as to motive can be . . . mis-represented.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2022, 10:00:35 AM
I'm just waiting for #blueanongE to come up with the usual high level of derp to explain how a 3 page public report with no explanation as to motive can be . . . mis-represented.

And I am no longer waiting for insane magas to hint that this was an FBI false flag job.  Thanks for taking the suspense away
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2022, 10:08:27 AM
I'm just waiting for #blueanongE to come up with the usual high level of derp to explain how a 3 page public report with no explanation as to motive can be . . . mis-represented.

And I am no longer waiting for insane magas to hint that this was an FBI false flag job.  Thanks for taking the suspense away

The only people talking about false flags that in this thread or the usual derps absolutely obsessed with MAGA and who seemingly know everything about Qanon and incels but never manage to provide any links or any further background as to their sourcing.

I've never hinted it was a false flag.  I suppose since it's always the guns fault in #blueanon world, that it makes sense that #blueanon/#blueanongE isn't really all that interested in finding out what motivates people to kill/kill on a mass level. 





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Dude wanted to shoot up a bunch of ‘necks and MAGAs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2022, 12:48:38 PM
Here's what dax is calling the 3-page FBI final report: https://vpc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Las-Vegas-FBI-final-behavioral-unit-report-2019.pdf

Here is some context, including that the "report" is a 3-page summary of key findings including that the gunman acted alone and without a clear motivating factor, mirroring what Metro PD had found: https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/fbi-analysis-offers-no-clear-cut-motive-behind-the-las-vegas-strip-mass-shooting
 
The article and the document itself spell out that this sub-unit of FBI's vegas division was tasked to try to supplement or confirm the police's findings particularly as to any motive.  The police report, 187 pages, is here: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1-October-FIT-Criminal-Investigative-Report-FINAL_080318.pdf

That sub-unit convened a panel of various behavior/psych experts, which came back with 10 key findings outlined in the summary at issue. 

While disappointing to not land on a clear-cut motive, that's not unusual.

Quote
While some may be dismayed by the FBI's inability to answer why Paddock targeted those people on that particular day, Mynda Smith, whose sister was fatally shot, told NPR that she would rather he take his reasons to the grave than to have Paddock alive.

"I truly believe if he had lived, he would have made my parents' life miserable. We would've been caught up in trials and having to listen to things that he would say," Smith said.

The absence of a single motivating factor is not unusual, according to the FBI. And it places Paddock within the typical profile of other mass murder shooters who are prompted to violence by a "complex merging" of various stressors.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/689821599/fbi-finds-no-motive-in-las-vegas-shooting-closes-investigation

Unlike the victim's sister quoted above, then-president trump criticized "the fbi" in an interview with the daily caller, as we were reminded in this story from saturday: https://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-shooting-three-unanswered-questions-5-years-tragedy-1748137

Sounds like after the police-led initial investigation concluded there was no motive, the local FBI branch's sub-unit on behavior put in additional work to confirm that or to find the motive and brought in a panel of non-FBI eggheads to dig in.  That panel found there indeed was no single clear motive, which is common, but identified the factors that combined in some way to lead the guy to doing this.

But there's good reason lately for maga to talk bad about the fbi, and maybe some knew back then that some preemptive bad talk would help down the road.  Pointing to the original point break movie and claiming it was a documentary would've been a stronger campaign.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on October 04, 2022, 01:03:19 PM
i am not here for context

I AM HERE TO BE PISSED AT THE FBI
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2022, 02:55:09 PM
Oh dax, you poor thing ...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2022, 07:34:35 PM
The police report, 187 pages, is here: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1-October-FIT-Criminal-Investigative-Report-FINAL_080318.pdf

:surprised:

Quote
Danley stated Paddock didn’t talk in length about politics and did not belong to any political organizations. Paddock did express a dislike for the Obama administration and was happy when President Trump was elected. Paddock told her he believed President Trump would do something to stop illegal immigration. Paddock did not comment on the topic of gun control and did not display any racial bias. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on October 04, 2022, 09:40:27 PM
Wow that was a really embarrassing turn for Ol’ Dax
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 05, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
ol boy took that one in the chops
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 05, 2022, 03:55:07 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 12, 2022, 06:30:24 AM
https://twitter.com/k12ssdb/status/1580158075033780224?s=46&t=gCndnIJU4vz8dcxtcxM-_w
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 12, 2022, 07:43:33 AM
https://twitter.com/k12ssdb/status/1580158075033780224?s=46&t=gCndnIJU4vz8dcxtcxM-_w

My 2022 brain is unsure if that should be interpreted as a cop having shot their gun in a high school parking lot or a school shooting has taken place. 

 :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 12, 2022, 08:05:54 AM
Or a good guy with gun who was just messing around with it for fun
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Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 12, 2022, 08:10:34 AM
https://twitter.com/k12ssdb/status/1580158075033780224?s=46&t=gCndnIJU4vz8dcxtcxM-_w

My 2022 brain is unsure if that should be interpreted as a cop having shot their gun in a high school parking lot or a school shooting has taken place. 

 :dunno:
Another day, another gun going off in / around US schools.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 02, 2022, 09:52:01 AM
https://twitter.com/bianca_nobilo/status/1587769049853067265?s=20&t=QO533_AFFtujB_D-lsqXBw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 02, 2022, 10:43:47 AM
That's heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 14, 2022, 05:15:57 PM
https://twitter.com/coachrobrahn/status/1592178087047106562?s=46&t=Kh2R3TlaZ7PyOF20m8URWw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on November 15, 2022, 07:31:19 AM
UVA shooter profile.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/14/christopher-darnell-jones-uva-gunman/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on November 15, 2022, 09:50:59 PM
so either legit bullying or mental illness leading to perceived bullying...of course the problem is guns...in a normal society, this ends in a fistfight at worst
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on November 15, 2022, 09:52:11 PM
description of school discipline process is strange too...guy refused to cooperate with investigation and so they let it slide for the moment(?)....
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 15, 2022, 10:25:32 PM
so either legit bullying or mental illness leading to perceived bullying...of course the problem is guns...in a normal society, this ends in a fistfight at worst
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l41m4yzWtONbc8i9G/giphy.gif)

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 18, 2022, 12:39:46 PM
Clearly not enough guns crammed into our classrooms to fix this problem!

https://www.wrtv.com/news/state-news/student-injured-after-accidental-discharge-of-a-firearm-inside-indiana-classroom (https://www.wrtv.com/news/state-news/student-injured-after-accidental-discharge-of-a-firearm-inside-indiana-classroom)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 20, 2022, 10:47:56 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1594315787409379333?s=46&t=-lqnZCnan66MpKGIoekyhw


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2022, 10:51:51 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1594315787409379333?s=46&t=-lqnZCnan66MpKGIoekyhw


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Gotta love it when the foundational Republican beliefs of being Pro-Gun and anti-gay come together for events like this
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on November 20, 2022, 11:11:24 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1594315787409379333?s=46&t=-lqnZCnan66MpKGIoekyhw


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Sigh
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 20, 2022, 11:25:02 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1594315787409379333?s=46&t=-lqnZCnan66MpKGIoekyhw


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Gotta love it when the foundational Republican beliefs of being Pro-Gun and anti-gay come together for events like this
They hate teachers about as much as they do gay people.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 20, 2022, 11:53:43 AM
awful
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 20, 2022, 01:09:24 PM
I wonder what type of gun?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2022, 02:05:14 PM
Calling people in drag groomers certainly had nothing to do with this. rough ridin' awful.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on November 20, 2022, 02:38:09 PM
First they take the rainbows and now this? This is the last rough ridin' straw!

~Shooter
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
libsoftiktok is an unreal piece of crap

https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1594345513318580226?s=20&t=vWlgYcmArimiyRjuM6GKQw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2022, 06:25:04 PM
sickening


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2022, 06:32:13 PM
good time to double down

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1594483597695762437
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2022, 06:35:00 PM
ghouls
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 20, 2022, 08:03:27 PM
His grift must be running low
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on November 20, 2022, 08:10:26 PM
It’s blowback.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2022, 08:16:52 PM
Oh, the guy who thinks girls should get married at 14 weighs in.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on November 21, 2022, 12:29:24 AM
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Must’ve been incensed over the campaign.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 21, 2022, 07:41:45 AM
https://twitter.com/carollei4/status/1594686564663455750?s=46&t=dVB3czahkESw35VELjEtBA


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2022, 07:49:59 AM
guouls


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2022, 10:57:51 AM
https://twitter.com/carollei4/status/1594686564663455750?s=46&t=dVB3czahkESw35VELjEtBA


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Yes, the shooter is the grandson of this maga chud assemblyman, but this "tweet" is a photoshop.
https://twitter.com/RandyVoepel/status/1519513118874820608
Randy is enough of a bigoted piece of crap, people don't need to make up stuff.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2022, 03:49:04 PM
Do you think his grandson is as maga as he is?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on November 21, 2022, 07:10:12 PM
Do you think his grandson is as maga as he is?
sounds like he's 300 lbs of maga
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on November 23, 2022, 09:44:21 AM
6 people were shot in a Walmart breakroom in VA.   The shooter was either an employee of Walmart or an ex-employee.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 23, 2022, 10:32:02 AM
feels like VA is going for the high score lately oof
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2022, 11:35:59 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1595390933700599809
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 23, 2022, 12:29:12 PM
animal
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2022, 08:56:29 PM
NIGGA WHAT THE eff
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1595528389011595276
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on November 23, 2022, 09:04:21 PM
Oof
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on November 23, 2022, 09:07:49 PM
The tucker right power hour is complicit


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 23, 2022, 09:19:30 PM
I um, I hope that guy was high during that interview bc w o w
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on November 23, 2022, 09:51:13 PM
apparently meth addict who used to do porn that is super glad that his kid only murdered a bunch of people instead of being a gay
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 23, 2022, 10:20:40 PM
Disclaimer for the perpetually triggered, particularly @steve dave (weird how #blueanon/#blueanongE only shows up when the perpetrator is of a certain skin color and is unilaterally declared by #blueanon to be conservative) - Dax is for more gun control.

In my recent travels I noted several NPR aka National #blueanon Public Radio expanded segments (insert various non profit think tank names here . . . well compensated, good talkers, accomplishing nothing besides cashing checks) spending copious amounts of time talking about guns, with maybe about 12% of the allotted time dedicated to the motive of the perpetrator, with about 40% of that 12% allotted to the mental health crisis in our country. 

Real root cause stuff  :thumbsup:

#blueanon- A movement where the criminal person is only to blamed if they're declared to be a conservative, otherwise, blame guns

Democracy (as defined by us) dies in the darkness . . .


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on November 23, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
are you having a stroke?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 23, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
Lick affirms (for the 1000th time) that he never really has anything

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on November 24, 2022, 12:31:04 AM
Damn, dax. Damn ...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on November 24, 2022, 05:19:49 AM
The tucker right power hour is complicit


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Yep that guy didn't say anything Tucker doesn't, it's just Tucker is an educated rich guy who uses fancier words
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on November 24, 2022, 08:02:20 AM
I haven’t ever seen a conservative making the “root cause” argument who also supports an actual plan to provide greater access to mental health services.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2022, 08:08:45 AM
DeflectoCat strikes again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2022, 08:10:00 AM
Damn, dax. Damn ...
Spracs chimes in with a nothing burger right on cue
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 24, 2022, 09:06:58 AM
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that dax managed whataboutism to even a clip where a guy expressed relief that his son was a mass murderer instead of gay and that he taught his son that he should choose violence over tolerance.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2022, 10:20:28 AM
I shouldn’t be surprised at all that M “I like cakes” IR can’t understand the usual political component

Imagine being a collection of whackadoos that pick and choose tragedies in order to advance a political agenda.

On that reality - I give you #blueanon/#blueanongE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on November 24, 2022, 04:46:51 PM
dax, don't be a weirdo, I don't want to have to block you from my twitter but if you're going to be a creep, I won't have a choice.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2022, 09:32:15 AM
dax driving to shitty sales calls listening to NPR and taking notes to post on gE is a visual that cracks me tf up
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on November 25, 2022, 10:00:51 AM
dax driving to shitty sales calls listening to NPR and taking notes to post on gE is a visual that cracks me tf up

Passing by giant piles of disgarded whip-its  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2022, 10:50:28 AM
a sophisticated version of wacks crushing 11 beers then sitting down to get angry at SNL
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on November 25, 2022, 02:01:47 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 03, 2022, 06:30:05 PM
They had an "intruder drill" at my 9 yo kid's school yesterday. "Dad, they showed us how to push our desks in front on the class door to block it. If we are in the bathroom, we are supposed to sit on top of the toilet seat and lock the door until a teacher comes to help us."

Absolutely insane that we tolerate this.


https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1599191504735862784?s=20&t=1DS0WE1s8cmVBX3DXYMknA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on December 03, 2022, 06:46:56 PM
Stop messing with our kids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: doom on December 03, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
When I was a classroom teacher, they told me to flip a table and have my kids hide behind it. First graders.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 03, 2022, 09:24:51 PM
When I was a classroom teacher, they told me to flip a table and have my kids hide behind it. First graders.
We traumatize our teacher and children like this instead of confronting the actual problem.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on December 03, 2022, 10:15:03 PM
After Uvalde, I've been rethinking the old RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. mantra. Seems like it needs to be FIGHT. RUN. HIDE. now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 06, 2022, 02:06:51 PM
After Uvalde, I've been rethinking the old RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. mantra. Seems like it needs to be FIGHT. RUN. HIDE. now.

Question:  how much ground can you stand before you become a murderer?  For example, let’s say I am out for a pleasant morning walk and happen to see someone walking towards me carrying an AR. Can I shoot them?  Standing ground or murder? 

Say I am dropping my kid off at school and see the same guy approaching the school parking lot I am in. Murder or ground stood?

What if I see a guy with an AR on his back reaching out for the door at a school and I am near by?  Blast that guy and its murder or standing that ground?

How about civil court’s view of those same questions? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 06, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
If some weirdo starts walking around Target with a long gun over his shoulder, I am leaving that Target and wouldn't blame someone for shooting that person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2022, 02:31:58 PM
If some weirdo starts walking around Target with a long gun over his shoulder, I am leaving that Target and wouldn't blame someone for shooting that person.

same for a school except they should probably be shot
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on December 06, 2022, 02:53:42 PM
Open carry people are the smallest dick people on the planet. Vibes absolutely scream micro dick.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 06, 2022, 02:55:39 PM
lol at being in a target
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2022, 02:56:29 PM
A bunch of posters itt hate the constitution as much as Donald Trump
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2022, 03:37:29 PM
A bunch of posters itt hate the constitution as much as Donald Trump

that isn't even possible
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on December 06, 2022, 03:58:42 PM
After Uvalde, I've been rethinking the old RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. mantra. Seems like it needs to be FIGHT. RUN. HIDE. now.

Question:  how much ground can you stand before you become a murderer?  For example, let’s say I am out for a pleasant morning walk and happen to see someone walking towards me carrying an AR. Can I shoot them?  Standing ground or murder?  --> If they're like aiming it at you, or otherwise threatening you with it, you should be able to use deadly force. If not, probably not.

Say I am dropping my kid off at school and see the same guy approaching the school parking lot I am in. Murder or ground stood? --> He's just walking around with it?  Close call. Same questions though: is he aiming it at anyone, or otherwise being threatening? The fact that he's breaking a federal law doesn't automatically justify deadly force.

What if I see a guy with an AR on his back reaching out for the door at a school and I am near by? Blast that guy and its murder or standing that ground? --> 1.) Make sure he's not a cop. 2.) Blast away without a thought of the legal standard. No DA would indict, and no jury would convict. (Edit: I mean, make sure you don't miss though and hit a kid. You might catch a charge for that, though likely not murder.)

How about civil court’s view of those same questions? --> it would really come down to the particular facts. Even the answers above are way too simplified and would depend on a number of missing facts.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on December 06, 2022, 05:42:12 PM
After Uvalde, I've been rethinking the old RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. mantra. Seems like it needs to be FIGHT. RUN. HIDE. now.

Question:  how much ground can you stand before you become a murderer?  For example, let’s say I am out for a pleasant morning walk and happen to see someone walking towards me carrying an AR. Can I shoot them?  Standing ground or murder?  --> If they're like aiming it at you, or otherwise threatening you with it, you should be able to use deadly force. If not, probably not.

Say I am dropping my kid off at school and see the same guy approaching the school parking lot I am in. Murder or ground stood? --> He's just walking around with it?  Close call. Same questions though: is he aiming it at anyone, or otherwise being threatening? The fact that he's breaking a federal law doesn't automatically justify deadly force.

What if I see a guy with an AR on his back reaching out for the door at a school and I am near by? Blast that guy and its murder or standing that ground? --> 1.) Make sure he's not a cop. 2.) Blast away without a thought of the legal standard. No DA would indict, and no jury would convict. (Edit: I mean, make sure you don't miss though and hit a kid. You might catch a charge for that, though likely not murder.)

How about civil court’s view of those same questions? --> it would really come down to the particular facts. Even the answers above are way too simplified and would depend on a number of missing facts.

Good parsing details judiciously and fairly is our strength.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 13, 2022, 08:43:24 AM
Not an actual shooting but my kids' school buildings were locked down yesterday b/c someone was trying to gain access to one of the buildings in the district without authorization.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 13, 2022, 03:01:26 PM
10 years since Sandy Hook. Look at the pictures of their precious faces. How vile does a human like Alex Jones have to be to grift off of their slaughter? Why do we allow our kids to continue dying?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/melissasegura/since-sandy-hook (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/melissasegura/since-sandy-hook)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on January 06, 2023, 08:53:59 PM
jfc

6 yo shoots teacher
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/newport-news-virginia-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 06, 2023, 11:55:42 PM
shall not be infringed, etc.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 07, 2023, 11:23:29 AM
Good teacher with a gun could have mowed down that 6 yo before they had the chance.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 07, 2023, 11:44:40 AM
How did the 6 yr olds mental health issues slip through the filter?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2023, 06:05:41 PM
Good teacher with a gun could have mowed down that 6 yo before they had the chance.

If anyone actually wanted to possibly force some progress in the minds of the electorate, they should be talking about how the idea of a teacher with a gun would have played out. I think a lot of the ammosexuals are good with the teacher with a gun scenario because they can imagine shooting a 17 year old guy themselves. Now, force them to play this scenario out with a 6y/o.  I think this could be manipulated to a point of gaining traction in some percentage of the all the guns all the time crew.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2023, 06:08:40 PM
Will they be charged as an adult?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 07, 2023, 08:25:24 PM
Good teacher with a gun could have mowed down that 6 yo before they had the chance.

If anyone actually wanted to possibly force some progress in the minds of the electorate, they should be talking about how the idea of a teacher with a gun would have played out. I think a lot of the ammosexuals are good with the teacher with a gun scenario because they can imagine shooting a 17 year old guy themselves. Now, force them to play this scenario out with a 6y/o.  I think this could be manipulated to a point of gaining traction in some percentage of the all the guns all the time crew.
These are people who had the opportunity to see, hear, and read about Sandy and Uvalde. Their opposition to gun control is not rooted in in reality.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
Good teacher with a gun could have mowed down that 6 yo before they had the chance.

If anyone actually wanted to possibly force some progress in the minds of the electorate, they should be talking about how the idea of a teacher with a gun would have played out. I think a lot of the ammosexuals are good with the teacher with a gun scenario because they can imagine shooting a 17 year old guy themselves. Now, force them to play this scenario out with a 6y/o.  I think this could be manipulated to a point of gaining traction in some percentage of the all the guns all the time crew.
These are people who had the opportunity to see, hear, and read about Sandy and Uvalde. Their opposition to gun control is not rooted in in reality.

I agree, but I think the age of shooter being so ridiculously low, and not being an accidental home thing, could be used to make a big difference. Maybe not THE difference, but some. It has to knock down some of the talking point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2023, 01:06:32 AM
Will they be charged as an adult?

I read that in Virginia, he won't be charged at all. Even for how heinous the crime was, 6 year olds don't need to be spending even one second in jail. You wanna talk about creating criminals...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 08, 2023, 01:34:34 AM
I definitely agree that regardless of the premeditation behind the shooting, that kid needs serious help, not punishment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 08, 2023, 08:31:12 AM
The parents may need punishment.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on January 09, 2023, 09:57:19 AM
Will they be charged as an adult?

I read that in Virginia, he won't be charged at all. Even for how heinous the crime was, 6 year olds don't need to be spending even one second in jail. You wanna talk about creating criminals...

I think in Kansas you have to be over 10 to be charged with a crime no matter what the crime is

Parents need to face charges
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 09, 2023, 05:35:22 PM
From time to time, the tree of liberty must be sprinkled with the blood of educators who have nearly been killed by their students.

https://twitter.com/k12ssdb/status/1612580815510343680?s=46&t=iC1cuAztozBPjwBuT8yk4A
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 18, 2023, 08:11:20 AM
https://twitter.com/K12ssdb/status/1615707304393068546?s=20&t=1SW16UJOLaaqAy0cjIbFTg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on January 18, 2023, 11:35:32 AM
https://twitter.com/K12ssdb/status/1615707304393068546?s=20&t=1SW16UJOLaaqAy0cjIbFTg

Price we pay for the right to have AR's.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on January 23, 2023, 09:13:14 PM
11 people killed Monterey Park by a 72 year old a few days ago.  And today 7 more killed by a 67 year old in Half Moon Bay.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2023, 09:57:01 PM
Today's Des Moines school shooting hit a little close to home, not just because of proximity but the staff member shot is someone who I personally know and have recently had a spirited conversation with. He founded the charter school where the shooting happened and he tried to intervene when he was also shot, two students were killed.

We run in the same circles and he's done amazing things for kids in Des Moines, we just disagree on some of the methods he uses to help the kids. Including his support of a school voucher bill, that ironically enough, is being debated and voted on in the Iowa house, tonight.

He's a former gang member from Chicago who has reformed his life here in Des Moines. I don't know if he votes maga republican but he certainly courts them here in Iowa and is frequently used as a prop by the maga right sometimes directly against other people in our little circle here in the Des Moines metro.

Anyway, we've disagreed a lot the last three years, but he's fighting for his life after seeing two children murdered, in a school he founded. I'm not the praying type but I really hope Will pulls through.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 23, 2023, 09:58:12 PM
I just read about it MIR. Truely horrible. I am sorry man and know my empathy is with you
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 27, 2023, 08:30:44 AM
i first read this as being the dog that was being remembered as a lovable goofball in the vein of "he was the last dog you'd have thought would do something like this" type of neighbor quote.

https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/1618959807985364994
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 27, 2023, 08:35:50 AM
 :lol: That's great.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2023, 08:47:31 AM
https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1618974250060378119?s=46&t=3LJ_wpcvp0ByvTj7IkB6UA
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on January 27, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1618974250060378119?s=46&t=3LJ_wpcvp0ByvTj7IkB6UA
I may have recently lost my ability to read but isn't that exactly what Larter is making fun of? Did the razor plagiarize a tweet with a reply to said tweet?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2023, 10:33:07 AM
https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1618974250060378119?s=46&t=3LJ_wpcvp0ByvTj7IkB6UA
I may have recently lost my ability to read but isn't that exactly what Larter is making fun of? Did the razor plagiarize a tweet with a reply to said tweet?
Repeating the joke in simpler terms appeals to his followers


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2023, 10:36:43 AM
Triggered by Razor (again)  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on January 27, 2023, 11:23:16 AM
:lol:
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Post by: Spracne on January 27, 2023, 11:25:28 AM
wtf is going on here, guys?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2023, 11:58:18 AM
wtf is going on here, guys?

basically here's what happened. sys posted that French tweet here. He also posted it in the thread he meant to post it in. based on sys' comments on the tweet I think he meant to post a tweet about that dog that shot and killed it's owner the other day. I think this because when I saw that story I immediately thought of sys. then all the people ran with the funny French tweet here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2023, 11:59:55 AM
yep, confirmed

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnZ05CiWAAIFy6-?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 27, 2023, 12:00:36 PM
Guns don't kill people. People and dogs kill people.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2023, 12:02:42 PM
So do The French
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
So do The French
Final warning using that kind of language around here


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 27, 2023, 12:10:26 PM
yep, confirmed

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnZ05CiWAAIFy6-?format=jpg&name=medium)
How do they know it was an accident?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on January 27, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
There's only two things I hate: (1) intolerance for other people's cultures, and (2) the French.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on January 27, 2023, 05:59:59 PM
basically here's what happened. sys posted that French tweet here. He also posted it in the thread he meant to post it in. based on sys' comments on the tweet I think he meant to post a tweet about that dog that shot and killed it's owner the other day. I think this because when I saw that story I immediately thought of sys. then all the people ran with the funny French tweet here.

nailed it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2023, 07:04:59 PM
I still don’t understand the logistics of this shooting.  You gotta eff up pretty bad and be incredibly unlucky for what was described to happen.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on January 27, 2023, 08:50:42 PM
I still don’t understand the logistics of this shooting.  You gotta eff up pretty bad and be incredibly unlucky for what was described to happen.
Precisely why I think they need to confirm this was really an accident.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2023, 09:25:06 PM
I still don’t understand the logistics of this shooting.  You gotta eff up pretty bad and be incredibly unlucky for what was described to happen.
THE DOG KILLED THE MOTHER rough rider!


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: waks on January 28, 2023, 05:59:34 AM
yep, confirmed

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnZ05CiWAAIFy6-?format=jpg&name=medium)
Life imitates art:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYzhd3iepo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYzhd3iepo)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 02, 2023, 09:17:53 AM
https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1621019274193276928?s=20&t=xLy0-qxIHJwUFkEAQvpSXw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 02, 2023, 10:08:40 AM
eff those people for real.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on February 02, 2023, 10:32:00 AM
Dude on right looks like one of puni’s cased meats in that sweater.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 02, 2023, 11:44:18 AM
eff those people for real.

No crap. wtf.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on February 02, 2023, 01:36:15 PM
Dude on right looks like one of puni’s cased meats in that sweater.

Dude on the right somehow is far and away the biggest piece of crap in Washington and he's been there for about 15 minutes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 02, 2023, 04:51:48 PM
Dude on right looks like one of puni’s cased meats in that sweater.

I think decorated war heroes have the right to wear whatever they want so leave him alone
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 13, 2023, 09:42:07 PM
https://twitter.com/msupolice/status/1625331608575156225?s=46&t=ElxUPzDZW_2jZ0A2D-2WSg


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2023, 07:36:42 AM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1625488098389012483?s=46&t=qCgGOhynXF86tk0Mp0h3Yw


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2023, 07:36:59 AM
shall not be infringed, etc


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on February 14, 2023, 07:51:34 AM
Sandy Hook wasn't a wakeup call, no way this will be either. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 14, 2023, 09:56:42 AM
Number of children dead: who can even count as this point?
Number of Rights infringed upon: MOTHER-EFFING ZERO
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 14, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
the people who can make change don't care. pubs don't want to INFRINGE, and dems like having something to make the pubs look bad.  neither side has a reason to fix anything.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 14, 2023, 10:07:03 AM
the people who can make change don't care. pubs don't want to INFRINGE, and dems like having something to make the pubs look bad.  neither side has a reason to fix anything.

i disagree. reasonable gun control measures have bipartisan support, something to the tune of 92% of all americans regardless of political affiliation. I firmly believe this is the result of a very powerful gun lobby making sure that the status quo is maintained and that the ultra-minority rules.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on February 14, 2023, 11:02:14 AM
the public may be in support, but politicians on either side have no interest or reason to fix anything.  it's a hot topic that gives them something to talk about on 24-hour news channels and nothing more.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2023, 12:04:35 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1625488098389012483?s=46&t=qCgGOhynXF86tk0Mp0h3Yw


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I don't mean to chuckle but this is performative. We have sprinted way past "if this isn't the moment," a long long rough ridin' time ago and everyone knows it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2023, 12:16:28 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1625488098389012483?s=46&t=qCgGOhynXF86tk0Mp0h3Yw


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I don't mean to chuckle but this is performative. We have sprinted way past "if this isn't the moment," a long long rough ridin' time ago and everyone knows it.

That's what makes the Oxford Strong kid's story so deeply ironic. I chuckled too while shaking my head. This is America.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on February 14, 2023, 02:14:15 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1625488098389012483?s=46&t=qCgGOhynXF86tk0Mp0h3Yw


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I don't mean to chuckle but this is performative. We have sprinted way past "if this isn't the moment," a long long rough ridin' time ago and everyone knows it.
Yeah, 2nd graders getting cut in half didn't even move the needle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 14, 2023, 03:54:18 PM
https://twitter.com/juliareinstein/status/1625612611445194752?s=20&t=DMCJ1T4CT_RPJczG8djrBg
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: dal9 on February 14, 2023, 05:41:20 PM
the people who can make change don't care. pubs don't want to INFRINGE, and dems like having something to make the pubs look bad.  neither side has a reason to fix anything.


this is a bullshit issue to bothsides.



think about all the state level gun regulations from dem states that republican justices are striking down.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: PandaXpanda on February 17, 2023, 04:22:27 PM
https://www.wibw.com/2023/02/17/manhattan-high-school-goes-into-lockdown-due-social-media-threat/

Thankfully everyone is okay.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2023, 07:27:19 PM
shall not be infringed is $$$$$$$$$

https://twitter.com/dealbook/status/1626753874739576833?s=46&t=PXndQa0RDTsNWZzoOIMO7w


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2023, 08:30:39 PM
shall not be infringed is $$$$$$$$$

https://twitter.com/dealbook/status/1626753874739576833?s=46&t=PXndQa0RDTsNWZzoOIMO7w


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Hey it's good for the economy, ok???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 22, 2023, 09:29:48 AM
https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1637783737420201986?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2023, 11:06:02 AM
https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1637783737420201986?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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We all know that the people who need to care about this and take action, won't give a damn. They care more about the nra and culture wars than they do children and cops.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1640387136997212160?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2023, 11:38:41 AM
well that was a heartless word replace.  I typed the bad F word
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2023, 11:46:06 AM
shazbot!
Price of freedom not being infringed.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 27, 2023, 11:58:43 AM
Wow. During the pandemic, I found a lot of solace listening to music from this church's YouTube channel. This is surreal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Gooch on March 27, 2023, 12:17:17 PM
Dust off the T's & P's  and add some more dead elementary school kids to the pile. This is a very stupid and selfish country.
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Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2023, 12:25:59 PM
Well this is unusual, but only because the shooter was a female. Death toll currently up to 6.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 27, 2023, 12:28:02 PM
more dead kids, everybody will throw out t's and p's, democrats will blame guns, republicans will blame anything else, democrats will promise tougher gun laws but never do, republicans continue to fight the important battles, like tik tok and drag queens.

rinse repeat
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
This makes me question the accuracy of those drawings in which god serves as a force field to kids being shot at.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2023, 01:24:10 PM
I think it is already pretty clear that god gives zero craps about kids and and his followers when the 2A is in conflict
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2023, 01:33:39 PM
The Nashville school shooter was a woman.  That's pretty surprising.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2023, 01:35:49 PM
The Nashville school shooter was a woman.  That's pretty surprising.

Yes. As I noted, it's really (and sadly) the only thing unusual about this.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2023, 01:47:24 PM
This is the 129th mass shooting in the US this year
From CNN's Elizabeth Joseph

Monday morning's shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, is the 129th mass shooting in the US so far in 2023, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive.

The Gun Violence Archive, like CNN, defines a mass shooting as one in which at least four people are shot, excluding the shooter.

Three students and three adults were killed at the Covenant School. The shooter, who was identified as a 28-year-old Nashville woman, was also killed in a shootout with police.

Last year, the US hit 100 mass shootings on March 19, per the GVA. The previous year, 2021, saw a late March date as well. From 2018 to 2020, the country didn't reach 100 mass shootings until May.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2023, 01:53:04 PM
dang is this really their congressman?

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1640410270014263299
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2023, 01:55:38 PM
Guns don't kill people, unlock side doors kill people.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1640420214884974594?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2023, 01:56:50 PM
Going to be banning side doors soon.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on March 27, 2023, 02:00:01 PM
Side doors don't kill people; people (who don't lock side doors) kill people
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2023, 02:03:11 PM
Side doors don't kill people; people (who don't lock side doors) kill people

Sure, but you can't forget to lock a side door if there is no side door. That's just common sense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on March 27, 2023, 02:08:21 PM
You're not wrong (just don't tell the fire marshall)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 27, 2023, 02:10:42 PM
Big Gun and Big Door have never really been at odds until now and it will be interesting to see who blinks first
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 27, 2023, 02:14:03 PM
big door is going to get infringed so hard
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on March 27, 2023, 03:03:22 PM
1 door schools are what's needed.  No windows, no side doors.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2023, 05:14:57 PM
The shooter, Audrey Hale, 28, of Nashville, carefully planned the attack with detailed maps and surveillance, Metropolitan Nashville Police Chief John Drake said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76876

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2023, 05:19:42 PM
Shooter left detailed manifesto, maps, etc. police aren’t ready to share motive as of yet


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-school-shooting-b2309043.html?amp
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fedor on March 27, 2023, 05:23:13 PM
The Nashville school shooter was a woman.  That's pretty surprising.

Yes. As I noted, it's really (and sadly) the only thing unusual about this.
All kinds of transphobia up in here;

"Hale reportedly identified as transgender and used the pronouns he / him."
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 27, 2023, 05:45:16 PM
So trying to understand the mental state of the shooter is transphobia? 

Interesting

Why does #blueanon get to determine all the phobias these days?



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2023, 06:14:30 PM
Has there ever been a school shooter without a penis?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstater on March 27, 2023, 06:22:54 PM
It's not as good a solution as Ts and Ps, but it is a close second

https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1640420194236416009?t=3tGdY4STmzXWh6z2-MbbMw&s=19

We need to consider an automatic death penalty for school shooters. Life in prison is not enough for the deranged monsters who go into our schools to kill innocent kids & educators.


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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 27, 2023, 06:43:44 PM
Laughably idiotic take.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2023, 07:40:57 PM
The shooters want to die, or at least don’t care if they do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2023, 07:55:46 PM
It's far past time we stop taking it easy on school shooters
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kstater on March 27, 2023, 08:13:02 PM
I know that if I was gonna go shoot some 9 year olds, the only way I'd be stopped was if the death penalty was automatic.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
I know that if I was gonna go shoot some 9 year olds, the only way I'd be stopped was if the death penalty was automatic.

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Then you don’t understand what it is like to not care if you live or die.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2023, 09:01:07 PM
And it’s a good thing that you do not understand that.  Some people do, and their lives are not better for it. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2023, 10:34:19 PM
Has there ever been a school shooter without a penis?

This one, I think.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 28, 2023, 07:38:21 AM
Has there ever been a school shooter without a penis?

This one, I think.

I'm not sure we know that for sure, do we?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Fedor on March 28, 2023, 07:53:44 AM
So trying to understand the mental state of the shooter is transphobia? 

Interesting

Why does #blueanon get to determine all the phobias these days?
Spracne and IC misgendered the shooter and are transphobes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 08:23:05 AM
So trying to understand the mental state of the shooter is transphobia? 

Interesting

Why does #blueanon get to determine all the phobias these days?
Spracne and IC misgendered the shooter and are transphobes.

that's definitely the important part of this story  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: bucket on March 28, 2023, 09:49:57 AM
https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 11:27:48 AM
Shooter left detailed manifesto, maps, etc. police aren’t ready to share motive as of yet


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-school-shooting-b2309043.html?amp

This article is heartbreaking
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 11:29:15 AM
It's not as good a solution as Ts and Ps, but it is a close second

https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1640420194236416009?t=3tGdY4STmzXWh6z2-MbbMw&s=19

We need to consider an automatic death penalty for school shooters. Life in prison is not enough for the deranged monsters who go into our schools to kill innocent kids & educators.


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This is the dumbest crap I've ever seen. Does this dumb bitch not know how most school shootings end?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 11:40:24 AM
https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 12:44:09 PM
Yes, let's just let the people who want to call 12 year olds independent adults and send the kids off to talk to grown ass strangers about their sexuality and gender identity without their parents even knowing. Let's let them run the show.

Let's let upper middle class and upper class parents who just can't deal with it anymore roll their kids into affirming medical professionals so the kids can have their sexual organs ripped out . . . everybody who thinks that's a bad idea needs to sit down and STFU.   :thumbsup:

Nobody question hospitals turning minor mutilation into a profit center!!



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2023, 12:51:49 PM
Wow. What a pivot. Talk about running interference ...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 12:55:24 PM
Some people just can't follow along very well.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 01:03:56 PM
This thread is about school shootings, STFU dax.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on March 28, 2023, 01:04:39 PM
DAXFLECTOR SHIELDS ENGAGE, ALL FULL POWER
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 01:05:14 PM
Yes, let's just let the people who want to call 12 year olds independent adults and send the kids off to talk to grown ass strangers about their sexuality and gender identity without their parents even knowing. Let's let them run the show.

Let's let upper middle class and upper class parents who just can't deal with it anymore roll their kids into affirming medical professionals so the kids can have their sexual organs ripped out . . . everybody who thinks that's a bad idea needs to sit down and STFU.   :thumbsup:

Nobody question hospitals turning minor mutilation into a profit center!!

(https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/wait-what-kroll-show-qyt0a4p4atkaurp3.gif)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 01:17:53 PM
Some people just can't follow along very well.
This is correct no one has any idea what you are talking about lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MadCat on March 28, 2023, 01:23:10 PM
This thread got M. Night Shyamalan'd
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 01:28:18 PM
Some people just can't follow along very well.
This is correct no one has any idea what you are talking about lol

I think, maybe I know the point he's trying to make. I don't know why he would bring that up other than he thinks Ashley Hale had a gender reassignment procedure, and that would be very wrong. I think he must have been misinformed by the gateway pundit or some other propaganda machine, has found out the actual truth since and that's why he's stfu about that insane post.

Anyway don't let him derail this. Tell all the thoughts and prayers people to vote these fuckers out.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 01:33:23 PM
i saw a clip of this particular shooter blasting the glass doors with a gun, so that really has to sting for the anti-sidedoor crowd
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 28, 2023, 01:37:34 PM
I've picked up a bit of the language of dax over the years.  I believe that this:

Yes, let's just let the people who want to call 12 year olds independent adults and send the kids off to talk to grown ass strangers about their sexuality and gender identity without their parents even knowing. Let's let them run the show.

Let's let upper middle class and upper class parents who just can't deal with it anymore roll their kids into affirming medical professionals so the kids can have their sexual organs ripped out . . . everybody who thinks that's a bad idea needs to sit down and STFU.   :thumbsup:

Nobody question hospitals turning minor mutilation into a profit center!!





is in response only to the bolded part of this:

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

He's pushing back against your shot at Ogles and those of his ilk re: transgender things.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 01:50:43 PM
Some people just can't follow along very well.
This is correct no one has any idea what you are talking about lol

I think, maybe I know the point he's trying to make. I don't know why he would bring that up other than he thinks Ashley Hale had a gender reassignment procedure, and that would be very wrong. I think he must have been misinformed by the gateway pundit or some other propaganda machine, has found out the actual truth since and that's why he's stfu about that insane post.

Anyway don't let him derail this. Tell all the thoughts and prayers people to vote these fuckers out.

You are 1000% wrong as always.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2023, 01:53:26 PM
just absolutely evil. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
I've picked up a bit of the language of dax over the years.  I believe that this:

Yes, let's just let the people who want to call 12 year olds independent adults and send the kids off to talk to grown ass strangers about their sexuality and gender identity without their parents even knowing. Let's let them run the show.

Let's let upper middle class and upper class parents who just can't deal with it anymore roll their kids into affirming medical professionals so the kids can have their sexual organs ripped out . . . everybody who thinks that's a bad idea needs to sit down and STFU.   :thumbsup:

Nobody question hospitals turning minor mutilation into a profit center!!





is in response only to the bolded part of this:

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

He's pushing back against your shot at Ogles and those of his ilk re: transgender things.

Ah, gotcha. I gave him an out for a non sequitur. That's my fault.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 01:55:31 PM
Back on topic
https://twitter.com/Tennessean/status/1640777043414511616
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 02:03:06 PM
Imagine being of a mindset where you perpetuate myths that possibly induced people to violence.  Imagine making people believe that this is "anti trans" legislation.  Imagine being a person who is in favor of the sexual mutilation of minor.  Imagine supporting a for profit health care complex who participates in these procedures and practices:

63-1-703. Prohibition of certain practices and healthcare services.
(a) Notwithstanding another law, and except as provided in subsection (c), it is
unlawful for an individual to engage in the following practices upon a minor, or cause the
practices to be performed, to facilitate the minor's desire to present or appear in a
manner that is inconsistent with the minor's sex:
(1) Surgery that sterilizes the minor, including castration, vasectomy,
hysterectomy, oophorectomy, metoidioplasty, orchiectomy, penectomy,
phalloplasty, and vaginoplasty;
(2) A mastectomy;
(3) Administering or supplying the following medications that induce
transient or permanent infertility:
(A) Puberty-blocking medication to stop or delay normal puberty;
(B) Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone or other androgens to
members of the female sex; or
(C) Supraphysiologic doses of estrogen or synthetic compounds
with estrogenic activity to members of the male sex; or
- 3 - 012885
(4) Removing an otherwise healthy or non-diseased body part or tissue.
(b) A medical professional who engages in a practice identified in subsection (a),
or causes the practice to be performed, commits unprofessional conduct and is subject
to revocation of licensure and other appropriate discipline by the medical professional's
licensing authority. The medical professional is subject to a civil penalty of up to one
thousand dollars ($1,000) per occurrence. Penalties imposed under this part must be
deposited into the state general fund





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 02:06:28 PM
Dax is about to bring the old OK_Cat back

STFU, Dax.  Nobody cares what you have to say about trans people in the thread about school shootings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 02:09:11 PM
Dax is about to bring the old OK_Cat back

STFU, Dax.  Nobody cares what you have to say about trans people in the thread about school shootings.

It is a perfectly applicable subject for this thread, and you know it.  IDGAF if you don't like it. 

It's not my fault you can't follow along and can't comprehend what's happening, as usual.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 02:10:36 PM
Hey, you miserable $!#*, there is already a thread you've mumped up about trans people and your thoughts.

congrats on this shooter being trans, let's conveniently forget that the last 99.9% of shootings have been by cis men though.  STFU
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 02:15:11 PM
Hey, you miserable $!#*, there is already a thread you've mumped up about trans people and your thoughts.

congrats on this shooter being trans, let's conveniently forget that the last 99.9% of shootings have been by cis men though.  STFU

 :lol: :lol:

When have I ever said that the majority of mass shooters weren't cis-men.  I have never said nor even implied that wasn't the case.

#blueanon is raging out about the Tenn legislation and on brand, trying to draw a dotted line (and I'm being generous) regarding that and this shooting.  Only a huge derp can't understand this.






Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2023, 02:20:09 PM
Hey, you miserable $!#*, there is already a thread you've mumped up about trans people and your thoughts.

congrats on this shooter being trans, let's conveniently forget that the last 99.9% of shootings have been by cis men though.  STFU

 :lol: :lol:

When have I ever said that the majority of mass shooters weren't cis-men.  I have never said nor even implied that wasn't the case.

#blueanon is raging out about the Tenn legislation and on brand, trying to draw a dotted line (and I'm being generous) regarding that and this shooting.  Only a huge derp can't understand this.

Dax, literally no one here (except for you) is talking about any of that. Take your trans-baiting ways to your trans-hating thread, if you really need an outlet to vent.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 28, 2023, 02:20:23 PM
Ah, gotcha. I gave him an out for a non sequitur. That's my fault.

Y-W.

(https://i.imgflip.com/7g6tkb.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on March 28, 2023, 02:37:10 PM
I did see a statistic that the last 375 mass shootings before this one were by men but couldn't confirm.

Transphobia will/is replacing the right wing racism dog whistle.  Right leaning suburban dads and moms are not comfortable with the brown boogeyman but are much more comfortable with the trans/gay boogey person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2023, 02:40:40 PM
Dax thinks trans people are mentally ill so obviously all of you are pieces of crap for making republicans look bad.

It's not anything deeper than that guys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 02:59:53 PM
People who shoot up schools are not mentally ill, unless we say that they are (depending on political affiliation of course, or at least what the media tells us to believe about the suspects political affilation) . . StalkerBot.7 and #blueanongE

Keeping in mind that StalkerBot.7 and #blueanongE fully bought into (for example) the ridiculous and insane conspiracy that Paul Pelosi's attacker was motivated by MAGA.

There's no way that #blueanon/#blueanongE will allow any narrative that the shooter may have been motivated by the #blueanon meltdown over Tenn child mutilation legislation and the trope propagated by #blueanon that it was "anti trans".





Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2023, 03:02:43 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 03:03:21 PM
I'd argue that anyone who owns a gun is mentally ill
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:04:50 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2023, 03:05:57 PM
There's no way that #blueanon/#blueanongE will allow any narrative that the shooter may have been motivated by the #blueanon meltdown over Tenn child mutilation legislation and the trope propagated by #blueanon that it was "anti trans".

#blueanon is raging out about the Tenn legislation and on brand, trying to draw a dotted line (and I'm being generous) regarding that and this shooting.  Only a huge derp can't understand this.

Dax, you're starting to confuse yourself again
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2023, 03:06:08 PM
Tao Te Ching - Verse 31 Weapons are the tools of violence; all decent men detest them. Weapons are the tools of fear; a decent man will avoid them except in the direst necessity and, if compelled, will use them only with the utmost restraint.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2023, 03:08:07 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:08:47 PM
There's no way that #blueanon/#blueanongE will allow any narrative that the shooter may have been motivated by the #blueanon meltdown over Tenn child mutilation legislation and the trope propagated by #blueanon that it was "anti trans".

#blueanon is raging out about the Tenn legislation and on brand, trying to draw a dotted line (and I'm being generous) regarding that and this shooting.  Only a huge derp can't understand this.

Dax, you're starting to confuse yourself again

There are many factions of #blueanon StalkerBot.7

But please keep throwing out your strawmen on mental illness.



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 03:14:15 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

jesus christ dude are you trying to build the biggest strawman in history or what
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2023, 03:15:00 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon

So which is it?  I know what's best for my child or the government?  only a floppy man-boobed numbskull thinks it can be both.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:17:43 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon

So which is it?  I know what's best for my child or the government?  only a floppy man-boobed numbskull thinks it can be both.

Only giant mush brains equate curriculum in public schools with ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore). 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:19:15 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

jesus christ dude are you trying to build the biggest strawman in history or what

Is anti child mutilation legislation anti trans?

I already know what you're going to say and thus my response is . . . jesus christ dude

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 03:20:51 PM
ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore). 

in all seriousness where did you get this narrative?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2023, 03:23:25 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic. Hopefully we're never forced to read his manifesto after he did something bad because a random internet message board stopped being a satisfying outlet to let off steam.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:23:46 PM
ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore). 

in all seriousness where did you get this narrative?

How many parents need to step up and talk about what a relief it was for them personally? 

It's just the weirdest got damn thing.  #blueanon wanting to sex up the kids, and #blueanon fully behind the sexual mutilation of people who are not even close to being grown ass adults.

But here we are.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic. Hopefully we're never forced to read his manifesto after he did something bad because a random internet message board stopped being a satisfying outlet to let off steam.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 03:29:58 PM
remember that one day when dax posted like a normal person because his dad was dying?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 03:32:32 PM
How many parents need to step up and talk about what a relief it was for them personally? 

share a link for whatever in the world you are referring to.


It's just the weirdest got damn thing.  #blueanon wanting to sex up the kids, and #blueanon fully behind the sexual mutilation of people who are not even close to being grown ass adults.

is this a serious take?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:38:22 PM
How many parents need to step up and talk about what a relief it was for them personally? 

share a link for whatever in the world you are referring to.


It's just the weirdest got damn thing.  #blueanon wanting to sex up the kids, and #blueanon fully behind the sexual mutilation of people who are not even close to being grown ass adults.

is this a serious take?

What kind of information vacuum do you live in?

You guys literally melted down at Libs of Tik Tok when she just re posted Tik Toks with teachers openly talking about how they continually bring up sexual orientation and gender orientation with their elementary school aged kids. 



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 03:39:23 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.

No I'm not. #blueanongE wants to discuss the motivations behind shootings all the time (well, only when they're told the shooting was done by a MAGA)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 04:00:21 PM


How many parents need to step up and talk about what a relief it was for them personally? 

share a link for whatever in the world you are referring to.


It's just the weirdest got damn thing.  #blueanon wanting to sex up the kids, and #blueanon fully behind the sexual mutilation of people who are not even close to being grown ass adults.

is this a serious take?

What kind of information vacuum do you live in?

You guys literally melted down at Libs of Tik Tok when she just re posted Tik Toks with teachers openly talking about how they continually bring up sexual orientation and gender orientation with their elementary school aged kids.

Libs of tiktok is dangerous because she makes impressionable idiots equate any innocent discussion of gender or sexuality with ripping out a child's gentitals.

What's an example of a parent who had a child's genitals ripped out and expressed relief?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 28, 2023, 04:01:01 PM
jfc, stop engaging with him.  his dad died and he's gone off the rails.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon

So which is it?  I know what's best for my child or the government?  only a floppy man-boobed numbskull thinks it can be both.

Only giant mush brains equate curriculum in public schools with ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore).

Me:  So who decides when the judgment of the government supplants the parent's judgment?

Dax:  the big government of course to own the libs
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 04:07:00 PM
jfc, stop engaging with him.  his dad died and he's gone off the rails.

That would be news to my dad.

Hey OKC, I know you're a giant ass derp who can never follow along or understand anything. 

But since you want to make this solely about guns (until the media tells you that a MAGA committed a mass shooting). I am for a assault weapons ban, I am for tougher gun laws, and I am for banning certain types of ammo and certain types of accessories. 

Now, I know you're a lunatic who wants to make a case that owning a gun is just for "insane people" . . . but I'll set that aside.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2023, 04:12:50 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.

No I'm not. #blueanongE wants to discuss the motivations behind shootings all the time (well, only when they're told the shooting was done by a MAGA)

I get that you're upset that the biggest school shooting of this year was done by a non-biological man, but I think the concern is premature. It's only March. This shooting probably won't even be top 3 by the end of the year, and it's really not that big of a deal if some MAGA dude ends up 4th behind this trans guy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 04:16:44 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon

So which is it?  I know what's best for my child or the government?  only a floppy man-boobed numbskull thinks it can be both.

Only giant mush brains equate curriculum in public schools with ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore).

Me:  So who decides when the judgment of the government supplants the parent's judgment?

Dax:  the big government of course to own the libs

I want a world where major medical procedures are performed on  children on demand with no oversight from any regulatory body of any kind . . . Dug













Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.

No I'm not. #blueanongE wants to discuss the motivations behind shootings all the time (well, only when they're told the shooting was done by a MAGA)

I get that you're upset that the biggest school shooting of this year was done by a non-biological man, but I think the concern is premature. It's only March. This shooting probably won't even be top 3 by the end of the year, and it's really not that big of a deal if some MAGA dude ends up 4th behind this trans guy.

I understand that you want to completely avoid discussing potential motivations.  Because you've already decided that it was that Tenn legislation and besides, they'll probably be another mass shooting soon and you'll  :crossfingers: :crossfingers: that the media will tell you it was done by a MAGA so you can light up 6 or 7 more pages in multiple threads.   :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2023, 04:47:28 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.

No I'm not. #blueanongE wants to discuss the motivations behind shootings all the time (well, only when they're told the shooting was done by a MAGA)

I get that you're upset that the biggest school shooting of this year was done by a non-biological man, but I think the concern is premature. It's only March. This shooting probably won't even be top 3 by the end of the year, and it's really not that big of a deal if some MAGA dude ends up 4th behind this trans guy.

I understand that you want to completely avoid discussing potential motivations.  Because you've already decided that it was that Tenn legislation and besides, they'll probably be another mass shooting soon and you'll  :crossfingers: :crossfingers: that the media will tell you it was done by a MAGA so you can light up 6 or 7 more pages in multiple threads.   :thumbsup:

You are literally the only person here discussing that Tennessee bill as a potential motivation. It's just you. Jesus, dude.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2023, 06:47:15 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon

So which is it?  I know what's best for my child or the government?  only a floppy man-boobed numbskull thinks it can be both.

Only giant mush brains equate curriculum in public schools with ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore).

Me:  So who decides when the judgment of the government supplants the parent's judgment?

Dax:  the big government of course to own the libs

I want a world where major medical procedures are performed on  children on demand with no oversight from any regulatory body of any kind . . . Dug
 

You’re placing your neck under the government boot, letting them control how you parent and frankly it’s pathetic and a sign of weakness
You’re getting run ruled maga.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 06:54:52 PM
Actually agree with Dax here that the Tennessee legislature bears a lot of the blame.

You believe this because in your lunatic brain, protecting minors from having their genitals torn out is "anti trans".

Mom and dad don't want to deal with it anymore, so off to the gender affirming clinic so we can get back to quiet weekends at the lake house/beach house and another bottle of Pinot Grigio.

This is very at odds with the maga creedo that "I know what is best for my children not you or the government"

What is best for my child is for me to facilitate having their genitals torn out . . . #blueanon

We'll tell you what your child will or won't participate in or learn in school . . . #blueanon

So which is it?  I know what's best for my child or the government?  only a floppy man-boobed numbskull thinks it can be both.

Only giant mush brains equate curriculum in public schools with ripping the sex organs out of a child (because we just don't want to deal with it anymore).

Me:  So who decides when the judgment of the government supplants the parent's judgment?

Dax:  the big government of course to own the libs

I want a world where major medical procedures are performed on  children on demand with no oversight from any regulatory body of any kind . . . Dug
 

You’re placing your neck under the government boot, letting them control how you parent and frankly it’s pathetic and a sign of weakness
You’re getting run ruled maga.
No open flames near the dry straw
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 06:55:39 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.

No I'm not. #blueanongE wants to discuss the motivations behind shootings all the time (well, only when they're told the shooting was done by a MAGA)

I get that you're upset that the biggest school shooting of this year was done by a non-biological man, but I think the concern is premature. It's only March. This shooting probably won't even be top 3 by the end of the year, and it's really not that big of a deal if some MAGA dude ends up 4th behind this trans guy.

I understand that you want to completely avoid discussing potential motivations.  Because you've already decided that it was that Tenn legislation and besides, they'll probably be another mass shooting soon and you'll  :crossfingers: :crossfingers: that the media will tell you it was done by a MAGA so you can light up 6 or 7 more pages in multiple threads.   :thumbsup:

You are literally the only person here discussing that Tennessee bill as a potential motivation. It's just you. Jesus, dude.
Following along is still difficult for you.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 28, 2023, 08:09:21 PM
Dax is trying his absolute damndest to change the subject ITT. And it appears to be working.

No I'm not. #blueanongE wants to discuss the motivations behind shootings all the time (well, only when they're told the shooting was done by a MAGA)

I get that you're upset that the biggest school shooting of this year was done by a non-biological man, but I think the concern is premature. It's only March. This shooting probably won't even be top 3 by the end of the year, and it's really not that big of a deal if some MAGA dude ends up 4th behind this trans guy.

I see what you did here and it’s unfortunate you cracked out a gem when Dax was too busy daxing up this thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 08:38:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Hd9SjBf/Fs-T6o-ZZa-QAEqj-Bp.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 08:51:28 PM
FTR, I would like to see at least two of those (edit) types of weapons banned

https://etsytees.com/product/trans-rights-or-else-lgbtq-guns-shirt/

https://www.lelemoon.com/product/guns-trans-rights-or-else-shirt/

edit - any extended magazine weapon like the shotgun needs to be banned as well

edit - the short barreled double barreled shotgun needs to be banned as well, at least from any retail gun sales environment, at minimum.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 28, 2023, 08:55:00 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 08:56:48 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

Says the lunatic who continues to try and tell us that the United States and its proxy's did not blow up the Nordstream Pipeline and the same dude who continues to get his rocks off over the war in Ukraine.

FTR, the only entertainment you provide on this blog is the hilarity of dullard regurgative posting style coupled with your #neoconism



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 09:33:37 PM
It's tragic that (at least some) #blueanon political and thought leaders continue to try and convince people that a "genocide" is being committed against trans people.

Genocide defined: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

Literally no one, outside of a fringe .0001% that exists in all factions of society wants to kill trans people.

(https://i.ibb.co/HgbsYf7/1bad5870-b69a-4814-a3de-ed9955845d80-720x900.webp)

https://www.transradicalactivistnetwork.org/transdayof-vengeance
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 10:20:24 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

I'll forget he's clearly deranged for a while but then every so often he types something new that is just astounding and it's like "what?????"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2023, 10:21:19 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

I'll forget he's clearly deranged for a while but then every so often he types something new that is just astounding and it's like "what?????"
Like how does he think like he supposedly thinks and manage to function in a society???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 10:43:44 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

I'll forget he's clearly deranged for a while but then every so often he types something new that is just astounding and it's like "what?????"
Like how does he think like he supposedly thinks and manage to function in a society???

I feel the exact same thing about you, cRusty.

Imagine belonging to a political movement that is convincing people that just because they're not getting everything they demand at all times that a "genocide" is being committed against them.

Goodness, just tragic.  What an absolute slap in the face of people who have actually faced real genocide. 

Imagine being part of a movement that classifies nearly all disagreement with the policies and beliefs of that movement as being a . . . phobia.

It's just super weird that a collection of people who are allegedly avowed anti-gunners, yet belong to a movement where at least a faction of people within that movement are telling people that they're having genocide committed against them (a complete an utter fabrication), and thus they need to go arm themselves.

https://www.pinkpistols.org/

To be used as "targets" for their rage . . .

Rage of course is defined in most instances, as simply disagreeing.


Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 28, 2023, 10:45:44 PM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

I'll forget he's clearly deranged for a while but then every so often he types something new that is just astounding and it's like "what?????"
Like how does he think like he supposedly thinks and manage to function in a society???

Remember that it’s all gE character work.

Some people just don't get this place, and sadly you're one of those people.



:thumbs:

Quote
The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit
Delusional rants and unsupported claims

Some people don't get gE'ing

(cue YOU'RE NOT gE'ing from the usuals)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2023, 10:48:27 PM
Triggered Trim is on a roll
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 02:50:28 AM
https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

Not that anyone thought these people actually do care, but this is what not giving a solitary eff actually looks like.
https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1640893530682826752
I'm certain his district will easily reelect him
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 07:08:05 AM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.
It’s the damndest thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2023, 07:25:09 AM
I am guilty as hell of it but it does entertain me
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2023, 07:29:04 AM
https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

Not that anyone thought these people actually do care, but this is what not giving a solitary eff actually looks like.
https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1640893530682826752
I'm certain his district will easily reelect him
Of course they will reelect him, and it won't be close. School shootings and the reactions from politicians are barely newsworthy these days, it's just the price of living in America
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2023, 07:35:53 AM
#blueanongE - We can only tolerate affirming thoughts
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2023, 07:40:12 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.html

Our militia is simply not well regulated
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on March 29, 2023, 07:43:35 AM
I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

I'll forget he's clearly deranged for a while but then every so often he types something new that is just astounding and it's like "what?????"
Like how does he think like he supposedly thinks and manage to function in a society???

 :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:). This is so priceless especially coming from a putz like you.  This forum should really be called "Group think at it's finest".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 29, 2023, 08:24:27 AM
I'm interested to know whether the shooter was transitioning and having issues with testosterone levels. Was this aggravated by a "roid rage" effect?  We've seen people do some pretty horrendous things in those roid rage situations.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 29, 2023, 08:37:24 AM
https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

Not that anyone thought these people actually do care, but this is what not giving a solitary eff actually looks like.
https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1640893530682826752
I'm certain his district will easily reelect him

he will indeed get easily re-elected. b/c he wants to protect the constitution. constitution doesn't say crap about your children not getting mowed down at school.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 09:04:16 AM
I'm interested to know whether the shooter was transitioning and having issues with testosterone levels. Was this aggravated by a "roid rage" effect?  We've seen people do some pretty horrendous things in those roid rage situations.

No offense but this is kinda silly, Pete. There is a massive leap between roid rage and this crime. They reportedly had blueprints of the school, this was very much premeditated. That being said I've been dubious of the reports about their transition because I don't think a lot of it are from their parents, but it's been said the transition was a recent development.

I hope the talk of gender, sexuality, and transitioning is very limited, because it doesn't matter a bit, but I know it will be and already has been used by conservatives as a distraction from the actual issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2023, 09:09:03 AM
I'm interested to know whether the shooter was transitioning and having issues with testosterone levels. Was this aggravated by a "roid rage" effect?  We've seen people do some pretty horrendous things in those roid rage situations.

No offense but this is kinda silly, Pete. There is a massive leap between roid rage and this crime. They reportedly had blueprints of the school, this was very much premeditated. That being said I've been dubious of the reports about their transition because I don't think a lot of it are from their parents, but it's been said the transition was a recent development.

I hope the talk of gender, sexuality, and transitioning is very limited, because it doesn't matter a bit, but I know it will be and already has been used by conservatives as a distraction from the actual issue.
https://twitter.com/AriDrennen/status/1640919786766073856
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 29, 2023, 09:29:01 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 09:33:43 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2023, 09:33:56 AM
Yes, let's not talk about the factual reality that people are being convinced by lunatics that there's a genocide being committed against them, and thus they must go out and arm themselves.

#blueanon doesn't want to talk about this, and anybody who does is "blood thirsty". 



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
The people bringing up transgender would make sense to me if it didn't happen so often. That was the 38th mass shooting in March. No shootings yesterday or so far today, though. So that's nice.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2023, 09:39:34 AM
We can only talk about motives of shooters if we're told that the perpetrator was from a political movement we don't like . . . #blueanon  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 29, 2023, 09:53:30 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 29, 2023, 09:54:58 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2023, 10:01:54 AM
I expect some vulture to offer a gun control compromise by making it illegal for trans/LGBTQ to own guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 10:02:56 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc
Yeah, I don't think anyone should be saying "the trans community is here to kill your children."  That's obviously a ridiculous/irresponsible/dangerous position.

I don't know why this person did it or whether the killer's gender identity or religion or just general, undefined rage, had anything to do with it, and I'm not sure anyone else in the public does at this point either.  I just think it's way too early for anyone to say whether any part of the killer's demographic had anything to do with anything (or not).  Comparing this instance to 650 "mass shootings" that happened last year seems like kind of apples and oranges -- this was an adult person who targeted and killed 9 year olds.  That doesn't really happen that often.  This one is pretty rare and grizzly, even by the US's poor track record.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on March 29, 2023, 10:09:09 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 10:13:01 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.
I think whenever a tragedy on this scale happens, morbid curiosity is pretty understandable. 

"What could have possible compelled a person to do something this awful?" seems like a pretty human question.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2023, 10:14:43 AM
this one isn't that rare or grizzly, is it? We are basically guaranteed a couple a year, it's just the new reality.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 10:18:04 AM
this one isn't that rare or grizzly, is it? We are basically guaranteed a couple a year, it's just the new reality.
A 28 year old going into an elementary school to kill kids?  That doesn't happen all that often.  Certainly not 650 times a year or whatever.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2023, 10:25:03 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc
Yeah, I don't think anyone should be saying "the trans community is here to kill your children."  That's obviously a ridiculous/irresponsible/dangerous position.

I don't know why this person did it or whether the killer's gender identity or religion or just general, undefined rage, had anything to do with it, and I'm not sure anyone else in the public does at this point either.  I just think it's way too early for anyone to say whether any part of the killer's demographic had anything to do with anything (or not).  Comparing this instance to 650 "mass shootings" that happened last year seems like kind of apples and oranges -- this was an adult person who targeted and killed 9 year olds.  That doesn't really happen that often.  This one is pretty rare and grizzly, even by the US's poor track record.

Did the shooter attend that school?  I would start with that
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 10:27:35 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc
Yeah, I don't think anyone should be saying "the trans community is here to kill your children."  That's obviously a ridiculous/irresponsible/dangerous position.

I don't know why this person did it or whether the killer's gender identity or religion or just general, undefined rage, had anything to do with it, and I'm not sure anyone else in the public does at this point either.  I just think it's way too early for anyone to say whether any part of the killer's demographic had anything to do with anything (or not).  Comparing this instance to 650 "mass shootings" that happened last year seems like kind of apples and oranges -- this was an adult person who targeted and killed 9 year olds.  That doesn't really happen that often.  This one is pretty rare and grizzly, even by the US's poor track record.

Did the shooter attend that school?  I would start with that
Yeah.  I think that's been pretty well-established.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2023, 10:36:23 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.
I think whenever a tragedy on this scale happens, morbid curiosity is pretty understandable. 

"What could have possible compelled a person to do something this awful?" seems like a pretty human question.

It's fine to be curious about the motive, but at this point talking about the motive is pointless if we're truly interested in reducing the number of mass shootings (and especially at schools). Everyone knows the simplest solution to reducing the number of mass murders in America.

In this case, it's really no different than talking about trans kids in sports. Even though a meaningful conversation could be had, the people pushing the conversation have zero interest in having it. They're using it as a platform to spew fear and hate against a population they don't like. For that reason, I think the appropriate response is to just shut it down.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 10:40:28 AM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.
I think whenever a tragedy on this scale happens, morbid curiosity is pretty understandable. 

"What could have possible compelled a person to do something this awful?" seems like a pretty human question.

It's fine to be curious about the motive, but at this point talking about the motive is pointless if we're truly interested in reducing the number of mass shootings (and especially at schools). Everyone knows the simplest solution to reducing the number of mass murders in America.

In this case, it's really no different than talking about trans kids in sports. Even though a meaningful conversation could be had, the people pushing the conversation have zero interest in having it. They're using it as a platform to spew fear and hate against a population they don't like.
That's all fair.  And to be honest, it's really too early to have any conversation about it.  We don't know why the person did it, and guessing at this point is just speculative.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on March 29, 2023, 10:42:40 AM
Along the lines of when it's said that you're safer flying on an airplane than riding in a car, where now does "going to school" fall in the spectrum of mundane things that carry risk of death?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2023, 10:50:40 AM
Along the lines of when it's said that you're safer flying on an airplane than riding in a car, where now does "going to school" fall in the spectrum of mundane things that carry risk of death?

I wonder what the difference in reaction would be if the number of plane crash deaths were 1/2 of the blown away by an AR as you sat in social studies deaths
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2023, 10:57:06 AM
Along the lines of when it's said that you're safer flying on an airplane than riding in a car, where now does "going to school" fall in the spectrum of mundane things that carry risk of death?

Risk of death is still extremely low, but I think the risk of having to hide in the closet while teachers and other kids you know get slaughtered is getting to be uncomfortably high.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2023, 11:09:30 AM
this one isn't that rare or grizzly, is it? We are basically guaranteed a couple a year, it's just the new reality.
A 28 year old going into an elementary school to kill kids?  That doesn't happen all that often.  Certainly not 650 times a year or whatever.

yeah school shootings are fairly comparable to hurricanes hitting land in terms of frequency in the US. Like they will get mentioned on the news but aren't really a surprise.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 11:11:51 AM
this one isn't that rare or grizzly, is it? We are basically guaranteed a couple a year, it's just the new reality.
A 28 year old going into an elementary school to kill kids?  That doesn't happen all that often.  Certainly not 650 times a year or whatever.

yeah school shootings are fairly comparable to hurricanes hitting land in terms of frequency in the US. Like they will get mentioned on the news but aren't really a surprise.
I'm always a bit surprised when it's an adult going in and doing it for whatever reason.

Just rough ridin' terrible.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on March 29, 2023, 11:12:47 AM
This shooting will be off the news cycle by Monday morning and we’ll go back to worrying about Tik Tok. Sad but very true.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 29, 2023, 11:15:04 AM
I'm bringing up gender because up to this point there have been zero female school shooters.  I find that to be very relevant to understanding the phenomenon of these types of crimes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2023, 11:18:12 AM
Are you saying males have a higher capacity for violence Pete?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2023, 11:20:43 AM
I'm fascinated by the concept of this alleged genocide against trans people, where apparently the population having these atrocities committed against them are able, if they chose to so . . . are able to purchase a seemingly endless amount of assault weapons and ammunition (a process that I am adamantly against BTW).

Why does #bleanon/#blueanongE want to avoid this discussion?  You consistently meltdown about the messaging propagated by a few right wing groups that you claim leads to gun violence, but you sit back and just accept the propagation of this completely false and utterly unfounded narrative that's being seeded across multiple communities that a "genocide" is being committed against the trans and LBGTQ community and thus, they have to go out and apparently buy lots of guns

Not getting your way on every little thing is not genocide, it's not even close to that.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 29, 2023, 11:22:01 AM
Are you saying males have a higher capacity for violence Pete?

That's very well settled already by the numbers on violent crime offenders and universally acknowledged across all political systems and cultures....but it's not the point in this particular thread.

There is only one unique factor on this particular school shooting known to the public so far, and that is the shooter was born a female.  To our knowledge this has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.  Is there a more relevant factor to consider?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 29, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
I'm bringing up gender because up to this point there have been zero female school shooters.  I find that to be very relevant to understanding the phenomenon of these types of crimes.

Statistically speaking, a female shooter is going to be inevitable. Yes it will be exceedingly rare, but it will happen from time to time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 29, 2023, 11:24:53 AM
This is an internet blog and not the FBI, but I'd bet my net worth that the FBI folks who study this sort of thing are definitely contemplating the significance of the shooters birth sex and their gender identity.  So, seems fair game for this internet blog.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 29, 2023, 11:27:34 AM
Dax turning every thread into the transphobic grievance hour is not the content I come to gE for
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2023, 11:28:38 AM
Are you saying males have a higher capacity for violence Pete?

That's very well settled already by the numbers on violent crime offenders and universally acknowledged across all political systems and cultures....but it's not the point in this particular thread.

There is only one unique factor on this particular school shooting known to the public so far, and that is the shooter was born a female.  To our knowledge this has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.  Is there a more relevant factor to consider?

I think I had this backwards, for some reason I thought the shooter was a male that transitioned to a female.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 29, 2023, 11:32:42 AM
Shooter was born female (e.g. played women's basketball in school), then transitioned later as an adult.  We do not know if they completed their transition biologically. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2023, 11:40:43 AM
Dax turning every thread into the transphobic grievance hour is not the content I come to gE for

Just more deflection for StalkerBot.7

Only the lowest of IQ people want to believe or think that it's a "transphobic grievance" and it's precisely that kind of bullshit that has convinced a community of people that a genocide is being committed against them and thus they have to go buy the things that most of #blueanongE hates . . . guns.

Congratulations (again) on being part of the problem StalkerBot.7

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
Shooter was born female (e.g. played women's basketball in school), then transitioned later as an adult.  We do not know if they completed their transition biologically. 

Definitely a unique scenario then in regards to a mass shooter. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on March 29, 2023, 11:50:07 AM
Shooter was born female (e.g. played women's basketball in school), then transitioned later as an adult.  We do not know if they completed their transition biologically.

Seems a fair question to ask, Pete.

Imo, the shooter growing up in what I can imagine is a pretty rigid, if not near Calvinist Presby home, church and school, then living the past several years in our divided, often isolated, hyper-politicized world, led to what is undoubtedly a targeted attack.

Understanding this, wondering about the effect of possible hormone treatments is reasonable imo.

Note: Wanting to understand the motive of these shootings is generally reasonable and justifiable, whether it be Dylan Roof shooting up a black church, the unhinged colorado nightclub shooter, the orlando nightclub shooter, or this person shooting up a christian school.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on March 29, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
I'm bringing up gender because up to this point there have been zero female school shooters.  I find that to be very relevant to understanding the phenomenon of these types of crimes.

agree with pete.  a female mass killer is exceedingly rare.  if this person was taking hormones that approximated those of a young male, then it is easier to fit this event into the pattern that we are familiar with, because the overwhelming majority of people that do these things are young males.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.
If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.
I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If gender identity hasn't been a motive in other shootings, I'm not sure why it needs to be considered now, until we see some concrete evidence, namely in this manifesto, that indicates otherwise.

When we get today's mass shooting by a cisgender male, will anyone suspect they committed the shooting because of their internalized rage with an inability to come out because society isn't accepting? That would be silly ass crap. Just because this person is suspected trans, I will reiterated for the third time that we know next to nothing about what this supposed transition entailed, that doesn't mean that this person's gender identity is a motive.

Not that we have to worry about this but setting the precedent that any trans person that commits a mass shooting should have their gender identity explored as an element of the crime, just because of how they identify, is absolutely discrimination.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 29, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
I can't believe we're actually talking about this. This is one of those areas that white male privilege is absolutely bears out. This is why when these things happen, people within minority groups hope the perp isn't one of them. A part of the narrative always becomes a discussion about the group said person belongs to. This literally never happens with white men. We acknowledge that nearly all mass shooters are white men, but then there's no commentary about how why being a white man played into the act and why we should or shouldn't fear all white men. This is particularly an issue when a stereotype affirming crime happens, it's really rough ridin' grating.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 01:56:52 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2023, 02:05:56 PM
I can't believe we're actually talking about this. This is one of those areas that white male privilege is absolutely bears out. This is why when these things happen, people within minority groups hope the perp isn't one of them. A part of the narrative always becomes a discussion about the group said person belongs to. This literally never happens with white men. We acknowledge that nearly all mass shooters are white men, but then there's no commentary about how why being a white man played into the act and why we should or shouldn't fear all white men. This is particularly an issue when a stereotype affirming crime happens, it's really rough ridin' grating.

https://twitter.com/zackfox/status/1036389932854652928

https://twitter.com/avantnard/status/1378113979365609481
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 02:29:01 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
I think it shifted here because nobody here is really arguing against gun restrictions.

Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
I don't get your point on this.  Police said the killer was trans.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2023, 02:31:41 PM
Of all the mass shootings recently this is one that SHOULD be centered around gun regulations.  At least based on what I have read Hale just recently picket up the 2 Assault Rifle 15s used while being under the care of a mental health professions.

Like, heya sport why do you need 2 Assault Rifles at a time?  This seems like it could cause a problem.

But instead it was 2A all day
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 29, 2023, 02:35:25 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
I think it shifted here because nobody here is really arguing against gun restrictions.

Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
I don't get your point on this.  Police said the killer was trans.

So we all agree on gun restrictions, cool. Ergo ipso facto dolor, let's use the opportunity to take pot shots at the trans community and imply the inherent mental illness therein is to blame? Even more funnily, imply, without a shred of evidence, that the male hormones coursing through their body are to blame? If that be true, we need to restrict access to guns based on testosterone levels, no?

To be fair, it's really just dax doing this, although your "just asking questions" routine is a bit irksome. At least you don't beat people over the head with it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 02:36:39 PM
I can't believe we're actually talking about this. This is one of those areas that white male privilege is absolutely bears out. This is why when these things happen, people within minority groups hope the perp isn't one of them. A part of the narrative always becomes a discussion about the group said person belongs to. This literally never happens with white men. We acknowledge that nearly all mass shooters are white men, but then there's no commentary about how why being a white man played into the act and why we should or shouldn't fear all white men. This is particularly an issue when a stereotype affirming crime happens, it's really rough ridin' grating.
I think there's been a lot of stuff written about how being a white man informed the psychology of the "stereotypical" mass shooter.  This article sets forth some of the discourse as of 2015:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvxv9y/why-are-so-many-mass-shootings-committed-by-young-white-men-623

Whole article is actually pretty interesting.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 02:40:51 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
I think it shifted here because nobody here is really arguing against gun restrictions.

Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
I don't get your point on this.  Police said the killer was trans.

So we all agree on gun restrictions, cool. Ergo ipso facto dolor, let's use the opportunity to take pot shots at the trans community and imply the inherent mental illness therein is to blame? Even more funnily, imply, without a shred of evidence, that the male hormones coursing through their body are to blame? If that be true, we need to restrict access to guns based on testosterone levels, no?

To be fair, it's really just dax doing this, although your "just asking questions" routine is a bit irksome. At least you don't beat people over the head with it.
I'm not asking questions.  Nor have I taken any potshots I don't think.

I'm saying nobody knows whether the shooter's gender identity played any role in any of this.  Seems too early to say one way or the other at this point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on March 29, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
Why not just open it all the way up?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on March 29, 2023, 02:50:17 PM
Are you trying to tell me my 5 yr old can get an abortion without my knowledge but can't even legally purchase a firearm?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2023, 02:53:24 PM
Of all the mass shootings recently this is one that SHOULD be centered around gun regulations.  At least based on what I have read Hale just recently picket up the 2 Assault Rifle 15s used while being under the care of a mental health professions.

Like, heya sport why do you need 2 Assault Rifles at a time?  This seems like it could cause a problem.

But instead it was 2A all day

The most recent purchase was June of 2022 according to CNN

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 02:54:19 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
I think it shifted here because nobody here is really arguing against gun restrictions.

Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
I don't get your point on this.  Police said the killer was trans.
Did I miss the police elaborate what being trans in this case means? The also referred to Audrey as her. It's fairly clear that they either don't know or isn't comfortable releasing info about it. Why is it so hard to shut the eff up about the shooters gender identity until we know even a little about what it means in this context?

This literally just happened with the Colorado Springs shooter. They supposedly identified as non-binary but there was no evidence of that until the defense attorneys said so after there were hate crime charges filed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2023, 02:59:29 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
I think it shifted here because nobody here is really arguing against gun restrictions.

Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
I don't get your point on this.  Police said the killer was trans.
Did I miss the police elaborate what being trans in this case means? The also referred to Audrey as her. It's fairly clear that they either don't know or isn't comfortable releasing info about it. Why is it so hard to shut the eff up about the shooters gender identity until we know even a little about what it means in this context?

This literally just happened with the Colorado Springs shooter. They supposedly identified as non-binary but there was no evidence of that until the defense attorneys said so after there were hate crime charges filed.
I don't know.  The police said the shooter was trans and used he/him pronouns on social media profiles and self-referred as "Aiden." 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2023, 03:31:24 PM
Relax, multiple entities including Log Cabin Republicans are working hard to stop the manifesto from being released.

So we may never understand the true motive.

Now get back to telling trans people that there's a genocide (genocide being defined as the mass killing of large groups of people) being committed against them, because that kind of ridiculous hyperbole is the most helpful ridiculous hyperbole.  Right next to the notion that they'll just drop the age restrictions on gun purchases.  Now if you'll excuse I'm purchasing some tickets to John Wick - Chapter 4 - Throwin the Lead and Countin the Dead!!

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on March 29, 2023, 06:15:14 PM
Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.
I think it shifted here because nobody here is really arguing against gun restrictions.

Very predictable that the conversation, here and elsewhere, has been successfully shifted to trans rather than guns. As for me, I will wait for more info.

Amen. Having this discussion without knowing anything at all about how even Audrey Hale viewed her/him/themselves is incredibly aggravating and I honestly can't believe people here are doing it.
I don't get your point on this.  Police said the killer was trans.
Did I miss the police elaborate what being trans in this case means? The also referred to Audrey as her. It's fairly clear that they either don't know or isn't comfortable releasing info about it. Why is it so hard to shut the eff up about the shooters gender identity until we know even a little about what it means in this context?

This literally just happened with the Colorado Springs shooter. They supposedly identified as non-binary but there was no evidence of that until the defense attorneys said so after there were hate crime charges filed.

The killer signed their suicide note/texts with both names. :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2023, 08:22:12 PM
https://twitter.com/RepBowman/status/1641219152303013889
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 31, 2023, 02:32:23 PM
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NET Charter High School
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Sal Castro Middle School
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Edgewood High School
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Altascocita High School
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Cleveland High School
Robert E Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Conniston Middle School
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Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 31, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
I called my congressman's staffer in DC and gave her a stern scolding. Not sure sure it is going to end gun violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2023, 08:23:03 PM
shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2023, 02:43:20 AM
That list of schools isn't even comprehensive, by the way. Des Moines has had two the last two years that didn't make the list. The school shooting that really kicked these off isn't even listed. I'll never forget this one.
https://www.history.com/.amp/this-day-in-history/a-school-shooting-in-jonesboro-arkansas-kills-five
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2023, 08:44:58 PM
Unreal

https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/1644112748572450816
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 06, 2023, 09:00:55 PM
I particularly enjoyed how the pubs came on tv complaining about how disruptive they were being. Like do you motherfuckers not understand what protesting is?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on April 07, 2023, 09:49:27 PM
https://twitter.com/UofOklahoma/status/1644526600120340480
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 08, 2023, 04:55:36 AM
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1644547740305616898
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 08, 2023, 03:36:56 PM
Two giants of MAGA thought confront the intellectual challenge of advocating for arming teachers with guns while simultaneously holding the belief that public school teachers are woke groomers who violently hate all children:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1644790368406306821?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 08, 2023, 08:38:35 PM
shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2023, 11:56:51 PM
shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?s=20

I think we'd all take guns being and gun owners being regulated like cars and car owners are. Could you imagine the number of traffic fatalities a year if we treated vehicle use like gun use?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2023, 07:52:36 AM
shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?s=20

I think we'd all take guns being and gun owners being regulated like cars and car owners are. Could you imagine the number of traffic fatalities a year if we treated vehicle use like gun use?

That and he cited airports and baseball games as places where we don't have shootings and said it was because of the armed guards and not because you can't bring a gun into an airport or baseball game
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 8manpick on April 09, 2023, 08:52:42 AM
Not really a point either way, but I immediately thought of an airport shooting and a (congressional) baseball shooting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 09, 2023, 10:30:56 PM
shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?s=20

I think we'd all take guns being and gun owners being regulated like cars and car owners are. Could you imagine the number of traffic fatalities a year if we treated vehicle use like gun use?
Are you GEing here?  I've never had to fill out a state or federal form to purchase a vehicle and the only test I've had to pass for a driver's license was open book and a lol vision test
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 09, 2023, 10:40:43 PM
shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?s=20

I think we'd all take guns being and gun owners being regulated like cars and car owners are. Could you imagine the number of traffic fatalities a year if we treated vehicle use like gun use?
Are you GEing here?  I've never had to fill out a state or federal form to purchase a vehicle and the only test I've had to pass for a driver's license was open book and a lol vision test

You've never had to register a vehicle, get insurance, and (depending on your state) get a yearly inspection of said vehicle?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 01:22:39 AM
You have to pass a driving test to get your first driver's license. The test can be in driver's ed, but you still have to pass it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 06:53:24 AM
What would be a similar test for guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 06:58:00 AM
What would be a similar test for guns?

hunters safety course and exam. wouldn't be that hard to make a more general firearm safety exam a requirement for gun ownership.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 07:09:08 AM
And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 07:15:05 AM
And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

Who said that should be the goal? A gun safety test won't "stop" mass shootings, just like the drivers' tests don't "stop" deaths from car accidents. But it I think it would absolutely reduce the number of mass shootings (as many mass shooters would find it more difficult to get a gun) and perhaps more importantly, it would likely have an even greater impact on overall gun deaths.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 07:37:53 AM
And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

Who said that should be the goal? A gun safety test won't "stop" mass shootings, just like the drivers' tests don't "stop" deaths from car accidents. But it I think it would absolutely reduce the number of mass shootings (as many mass shooters would find it more difficult to get a gun) and perhaps more importantly, it would likely have an even greater impact on overall gun deaths.

Most gun deaths are suicides.  The Tennessee shooter hadn’t purchased a gun in like 9 months before the shooting. Drivers tests arent hard and neither would a gun safety test be.  Plus the existing amount of guns out there legal and illegal already is vast. These are angry white guys in their 20’s using assault weapons.  The feds can enact the assault weapons ban which is probably the most effective first step. Then you probably have to use unsavory methods like the patriot act to spy on your own citizens to figure out who these people are before they perpetuate a mass shooting.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 07:54:07 AM


And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

Who said that should be the goal? A gun safety test won't "stop" mass shootings, just like the drivers' tests don't "stop" deaths from car accidents. But it I think it would absolutely reduce the number of mass shootings (as many mass shooters would find it more difficult to get a gun) and perhaps more importantly, it would likely have an even greater impact on overall gun deaths.

Most gun deaths are suicides.  The Tennessee shooter hadn’t purchased a gun in like 9 months before the shooting. Drivers tests arent hard and neither would a gun safety test be.  Plus the existing amount of guns out there legal and illegal already is vast. These are angry white guys in their 20’s using assault weapons.  The feds can enact the assault weapons ban which is probably the most effective first step. Then you probably have to use unsavory methods like the patriot act to spy on your own citizens to figure out who these people are before they perpetuate a mass shooting.

OK? Do you think auto deaths would be impacted if we stopped requiring driving tests?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 08:05:33 AM
No
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 08:35:05 AM
A lot of these suicides would either not happen or would take place by other means if it took going through a course or passing a physical shooting test that had to be scheduled a week or two in advance before getting the gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 08:37:00 AM
A lot of these suicides would either not happen or would take place by other means if it took going through a course or passing a physical shooting test that had to be scheduled a week or two in advance before getting the gun.

IMO mandatory safety testing/training would also lead to safer storage and therefore more difficult access if the person wanting to kill themselves can't buy the gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 10, 2023, 08:58:13 AM
So many gun deaths come from suicide. Would many suicides still happen, by other means? Sure. But a lot of them would be prevented by tougher access, longer wait times, and better locked storage. Many people, especially men, are incredibly impulsive and may make a decision in the heat of the moment that they can’t take back.

Also, safety courses and required locked storage would ansolutely reduce instances of toddlers shooting each other, and I for one think that’s a good thing.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 09:20:11 AM
Even if the measure only affects 10% of mass shootings, that's one or two shootings per week.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 10, 2023, 09:20:54 AM
https://twitter.com/cbsmornings/status/1645429091716177922?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 09:26:02 AM
Just a day like any other day.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 10, 2023, 09:48:42 AM
"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.
It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 10:05:16 AM
So many gun deaths come from suicide. Would many suicides still happen, by other means? Sure. But a lot of them would be prevented by tougher access, longer wait times, and better locked storage. Many people, especially men, are incredibly impulsive and may make a decision in the heat of the moment that they can’t take back.

Also, safety courses and required locked storage would ansolutely reduce instances of toddlers shooting each other, and I for one think that’s a good thing.

You guys keep referencing “required locked storage”, what does that mean?  How could you enforce something like that?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 10:12:26 AM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 10:13:10 AM
So many gun deaths come from suicide. Would many suicides still happen, by other means? Sure. But a lot of them would be prevented by tougher access, longer wait times, and better locked storage. Many people, especially men, are incredibly impulsive and may make a decision in the heat of the moment that they can’t take back.

Also, safety courses and required locked storage would ansolutely reduce instances of toddlers shooting each other, and I for one think that’s a good thing.

You guys keep referencing “required locked storage”, what does that mean?  How could you enforce something like that?

Charge the owner of the gun as an accessory to any crime committed with the gun.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 10:15:46 AM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 10:17:06 AM
It's crazy that gun locks are even debated. Wetwillie, do you worry about how a booster seat law is enforced?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 10:18:56 AM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 10:19:12 AM
some states already require a trigger lock be included with every sale.

In all honesty I think a lot of deaths occur in well-meaning households where people aren't properly educated on how to safely store and handle weapons and reducing those deaths is just as important if not more impactful as reducing mass shootings.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2023, 10:24:57 AM
it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 10:38:31 AM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on April 10, 2023, 10:48:32 AM
I don't like guns and want guns to be gone....BUT I know that's not going to happen.

I'm also smart enough to know that all these shootings aren't 100% on the guns, and that any solution isn't going to be 100% successful.  Start small.....throw more money at mental health issues, and require some sort of gun registration.  That may cut down on some shootings.  Then keep building until there is a happy medium to where Joe Gun isn't being infringed, and the rest of us can send our kids to school and not worry that they'll have their faces blasted off.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 10, 2023, 11:18:25 AM
"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.
It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

DQ not to derail this thread, but based on what you've typed here i do not believe you understand what Nietzsche meant when he said "God is Dead"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 10, 2023, 11:27:17 AM
"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.
It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

DQ not to derail this thread, but based on what you've typed here i do not believe you understand what Nietzsche meant when he said "God is Dead"
I do. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 11:29:36 AM


"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.
It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

Actually it's just about the guns
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 11:31:11 AM
it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.
I can understand how people could argue the assault weapons ban would violate the second amendment but I'm not sure what the downside would be for the others. (Also not a lawyer)

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 11:34:12 AM
The feral pigs would claim more victims.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on April 10, 2023, 11:35:40 AM
https://twitter.com/gonzopoliticsks/status/1644712216959111172?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 11:38:50 AM
it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

I haven’t read up on what led up to the allowing of the statutes to expire in 2004 but that was a pivotal moment in our history. Banning assault weapons again seems like a no brainer that would be helpful in the long term decline of mass shooting events.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 11:47:19 AM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 12:00:43 PM
it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.
I can understand how people could argue the assault weapons ban would violate the second amendment but I'm not sure what the downside would be for the others. (Also not a lawyer)

There's really not a great argument for assault weapon bans being unconstitutional. It's been done for starters. And even the most closely guarded right of free speech is constantly regulated through "time, place, and manner" restrictions. No one is seriously out there arguing for a right to possess military weapons like a tank or rocket launcher.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

And empirical evidence strongly suggests that making gun ownership even slightly more difficult would reduce the overall number of gun deaths (including, most significantly, by suicide).

There is a reason that many life insurance policies only have like a 1-2 year ban on paying out when the policyholder commits suicide. When a person doesn't have a convenient way to off themselves, they'll eventually come around to a better state of mind.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 12:08:20 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 10, 2023, 12:10:30 PM


"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.
It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

Actually it's just about the guns
Guns are a huge, necessary ingredient.  But guns have been around for a long time, and this is a relatively new phenomenon. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 12:11:18 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on April 10, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

Not much and it all comes back to me, the real crux of the problem, it's all "muh rights" and no "muh responsibilities". Having to require a license, registration, insurance, etc is all reasonable steps of responsibility for owning a gun and instead it's not going to do anything and so we keep doing the same thing again, and again, and again. Ad nauseum.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 12:16:21 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2023, 12:17:58 PM
Tree of liberty, blood of the innocent, etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 12:18:49 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

They wouldn’t be saved, their guardian would just go to jail.  Fine by me.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 10, 2023, 12:20:06 PM
Gun locks would've prevented (or made more difficult) a lot of the school shootings -- at least those in which little johnny yoinks mom's/dad's guns (e.g. Sandy Hook).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 12:22:33 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

They wouldn’t be saved, their guardian would just go to jail.  Fine by me.

I'm confident a gun locked in a safe or secured with a trigger lock will make the act of a toddler shooting themselves or someone else extremely difficult.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 12:29:24 PM
When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

They wouldn’t be saved, their guardian would just go to jail.  Fine by me.

I'm confident a gun locked in a safe or secured with a trigger lock will make the act of a toddler shooting themselves or someone else extremely difficult.

So the people not currently locking up their guns at home(obviously don’t care enough about their child potentially using it to kill themselves or others) will suddenly become responsible once threat of potential jail time after their dependent commits a murder/ accidental death? 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on April 10, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
people speed every day, but having speed limits definitely helps create less traffic accidents  :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 12:32:18 PM
So the people not currently locking up their guns at home(obviously don%u2019t care enough about their child potentially using it to kill themselves or others) will suddenly become responsible once threat of potential jail time after their dependent commits a murder/ accidental death?

when coupled with education/licensing? absolutely
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 03:10:26 PM
people speed every day, but having speed limits definitely helps create less traffic accidents  :dunno:
Yeah idk if WW is doing a bit here but it’s a transparently stupid line of argument.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2023, 03:11:22 PM
Fewer. Fewer ...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on April 10, 2023, 03:38:59 PM
Fewer. Fewer ...

 :dubious:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 04:01:47 PM
people speed every day, but having speed limits definitely helps create less traffic accidents  :dunno:
Yeah idk if WW is doing a bit here but it’s a transparently stupid line of argument.

We can discuss whatever solutions people would like, but I’m most interested in things that will actually put a dent into the 42,000 a year.  We need to take assault weapons off the market, it’s the most important imo, at least in regards to the mass shootings.  The 20k or so gun suicides is tough because it’s all standard hand guns and 75% or more are owned by the victim.  I think there is a much broader support to ban new sales of assault weapons than hand guns. Obviously people having zero access to guns that aren’t theirs would bring our gun deaths down, I’m more cynical than most on here it appears on that being effectively solved via legislation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2023, 04:25:02 PM
people speed every day, but having speed limits definitely helps create less traffic accidents  :dunno:
Yeah idk if WW is doing a bit here but it’s a transparently stupid line of argument.

We can discuss whatever solutions people would like, but I’m most interested in things that will actually put a dent into the 42,000 a year.  We need to take assault weapons off the market, it’s the most important imo, at least in regards to the mass shootings.  The 20k or so gun suicides is tough because it’s all standard hand guns and 75% or more are owned by the victim.  I think there is a much broader support to ban new sales of assault weapons than hand guns. Obviously people having zero access to guns that aren’t theirs would bring our gun deaths down, I’m more cynical than most on here it appears on that being effectively solved via legislation.

Vote for dems, and muster all your like-minded friends to vote in every election. It's really all we can do. If we play our cards right, even the pubs will eventually come around after getting their asses sufficiently kicked over and over.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 04:33:12 PM
I think we should start with trying to address mass shootings and murders before moving onto suicides.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 04:51:59 PM
I think we should start with trying to address mass shootings and murders before moving onto suicides.
Regulating gun ownership like car ownership works for both problems.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 05:04:52 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 10, 2023, 05:16:17 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 05:42:15 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.

eh anxiety seems really difficult to quantify and ww said he was most interested in making a real dent in the 42,000 gun deaths annually.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 10, 2023, 05:49:03 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.

eh anxiety seems really difficult to quantify and ww said he was most interested in making a real dent in the 42,000 gun deaths annually.

Well, most of those deaths are suicides. It's kind of hard to tell how many of those you even prevent with a full ban on guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 05:54:39 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.

eh anxiety seems really difficult to quantify and ww said he was most interested in making a real dent in the 42,000 gun deaths annually.

Well, most of those deaths are suicides. It's kind of hard to tell how many of those you even prevent with a full ban on guns.
You could always look at suicide rates in countries that have severely restricted gun ownership.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 05:56:17 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.

eh anxiety seems really difficult to quantify and ww said he was most interested in making a real dent in the 42,000 gun deaths annually.

Mass Shootings are the biggest of the realistically controllable non suicides. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 05:57:01 PM
wetwillie is correct.  the restrictions placed on using cars have very little applicability to regulating guns.  they're fundamentally different problems and the analogy of regulating guns as we do vehicles falls apart on even a moment's reflection.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 05:59:27 PM
wetwillie is correct.  the restrictions placed on using cars have very little applicability to regulating guns.  they're fundamentally different problems and the analogy of regulating guns as we do vehicles falls apart on even a moment's reflection.
Go on
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.

eh anxiety seems really difficult to quantify and ww said he was most interested in making a real dent in the 42,000 gun deaths annually.

Mass Shootings are the biggest of the realistically controllable non suicides. 

Depends on how you define mass shootings, but there aren't very many mass shootings. Like fewer than 100 deaths per year. If you think that's the biggest group of realistically controllable non-suicide gun deaths I don't think you're being very rational.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811504/mass-shooting-victims-in-the-united-states-by-fatalities-and-injuries/
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2023, 06:02:19 PM
wetwillie is correct.  the restrictions placed on using cars have very little applicability to regulating guns.  they're fundamentally different problems and the analogy of regulating guns as we do vehicles falls apart on even a moment's reflection.
Go on

As an initial matter, you must understand that sys is a libertarian ....

That's also the closing matter, FWIW.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 06:02:56 PM
wetwillie is correct.  the restrictions placed on using cars have very little applicability to regulating guns.  they're fundamentally different problems and the analogy of regulating guns as we do vehicles falls apart on even a moment's reflection.

ww thinks auto restrictions are analogous to gun restrictions but he thinks that regulations don't help reduce auto deaths
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 06:06:19 PM
Go on

1.  restrictions on autos are on use (of public roads), not possession (in most states, not sure if this is true for all restrictions in all states).
2.  people using their autos is accepted, desired and frequent.  restrictions are intended to improve usability for all users and protect the public from accidental damages.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 06:07:14 PM
As an initial matter, you must understand that sys is a libertarian ....

That's also the closing matter, FWIW.

i'm not a libertarian.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2023, 06:10:38 PM
As an initial matter, you must understand that sys is a libertarian ....

That's also the closing matter, FWIW.

i'm not a libertarian.

I didn't say you identified as a libertarian. I simply said you are one.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 06:13:41 PM
I didn't say you identified as a libertarian. I simply said you are one.

you'd probably be closer to correct on identification than on actual ideology, but neither is very accurate.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2023, 06:15:58 PM
I didn't say you identified as a libertarian. I simply said you are one.

you'd probably be closer to correct on identification than on actual ideology, but neither is very accurate.

Ok. You are free to explain your actual ideology in your own words, if you'd like to.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 06:18:07 PM
Go on

1.  restrictions on autos are on use (of public roads), not possession (in most states, not sure if this is true for all restrictions in all states).

Not property taxes (where applicable), sales/gift tax, or the requirement to record changes in ownership. I’d also argue that the types of auto restrictions advocated for in this case are not on USE but ANTICIPATED USE—such as the requirement to obtain a driver’s license, license the vehicle, regularly inspect it (in some states), and carry liability insurance.


2.  people using their autos is accepted, desired and frequent.  restrictions are intended to improve usability for all users and protect the public from accidental damages.

I’m really not sure what this distinction is getting at. The people advocating most vocally against gun restrictions are the same people arguing for the desirability of being able to use a gun at a moment’s notice.

Regardless, requiring training for gun owners and carrying liability insurance to benefit potential gun victims serves the exact same purpose as it does vehicle owners.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 06:23:06 PM
i mean, i have a lot of different opinions that don't necessarily form a unified, coherent ideology.

if you want a relatively short version based on u.s. politics, something like:  pro-business, environmentalist, globalist, dem-leaning independent with liberty-maximizing tendencies.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 10, 2023, 06:25:43 PM
Would an assault weapons ban actually put a dent in overall gun deaths? It would put a dent in mass shooting events but I believe that's a pretty small percentage of all gun deaths

by cutting down the mass shootings you might not make a dent in total deaths but you would have a ten-fold reduction in general fear/anxiety that folks have about sending their children to school or going out to public gatherings etc.

eh anxiety seems really difficult to quantify and ww said he was most interested in making a real dent in the 42,000 gun deaths annually.

Mass Shootings are the biggest of the realistically controllable non suicides. 

Depends on how you define mass shootings, but there aren't very many mass shootings. Like fewer than 100 deaths per year. If you think that's the biggest group of realistically controllable non-suicide gun deaths I don't think you're being very rational.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811504/mass-shooting-victims-in-the-united-states-by-fatalities-and-injuries/


Damn, barely anyone dies from mass shootings. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2023, 06:26:11 PM
This is where sys and I are symbiotic, give me that sweet maximized liberty
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2023, 06:28:38 PM
I think we should start with trying to address mass shootings and murders before moving onto suicides.

I don't think we should try to address suicides, as far as gun laws go.  Let's address the crap out of mental health and all the issues surrounding what drives folks to want to kill themselves for sure, but trying to address it though guns is not going to be fruitful and will probably just create a lot of horror stories about suicides that are much more gruesome than just shooting one's self.   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2023, 06:29:11 PM
“I’m not a Libertarian, I just have liberty maximizing tendencies” sounds like a shirt Gary Johnson would wear.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 06:35:33 PM
Not property taxes (where applicable), sales/gift tax, or the requirement to record changes in ownership. I’d also argue that the types of auto restrictions advocated for in this case are not on USE but ANTICIPATED USE—such as the requirement to obtain a driver’s license, license the vehicle, regularly inspect it (in some states), and carry liability insurance.

i only recently learned that some states assess property taxes on vehicles.  i've never lived in such a state, but i don't know how common that is.

sales tax is already assessed on guns, as it is on most goods.  recording ownership is a good point, though.

i don't think the distinction between use and anticipated use is meaningful.  how does it matter?


I’m really not sure what this distinction is getting at. The people advocating most vocally against gun restrictions are the same people arguing for the desirability of being able to use a gun at a moment’s notice.

Regardless, requiring training for gun owners and carrying liability insurance to benefit potential gun victims serves the exact same purpose as it does vehicle owners.

because people using guns to kill people is deliberate.  it is the intended use of the product by the owner.  training them in how to better operate their gun does not address this.

i could be wrong, but i suspect that auto liability insurance does not cover the driver deliberately using their vehicle to attack another person.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2023, 06:37:02 PM
I think we should start with trying to address mass shootings and murders before moving onto suicides.

I don't think we should try to address suicides, as far as gun laws go.  Let's address the crap out of mental health and all the issues surrounding what drives folks to want to kill themselves for sure, but trying to address it though guns is not going to be fruitful and will probably just create a lot of horror stories about suicides that are much more gruesome than just shooting one's self.
It was addressed, but thoughtful gun laws would reduce all gun death categories at the same time. You don't need to attack each category in order or something. And yeah you could look at like, Britain's suicide rate compared to ours and think a reduction in guns could also reduce suicides overall
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 10, 2023, 06:37:49 PM
“I’m not a Libertarian, I just have liberty maximizing tendencies” sounds like a shirt Gary Johnson would wear.

well, very few libertarians would vote for me is one way to tell me and gary johnson apart.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 11, 2023, 02:21:55 AM
No

Gun debate aside, this is really rough ridin' stupid and there's no way you can't think we wouldn't have more driving deaths if we didn't license drivers. What are you even saying? lol, absurd. This is just digging in your heels because you just didn't want to walk into rusty's point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 11, 2023, 02:32:33 AM
This is where sys and I are symbiotic, give me that sweet maximized liberty

Nearly every case is "maximized liberty" in this country benefits the few and comes at the expense of large groups of people. We've yet to deal with the isims that this country was founded on. We literally have a case right not where a man was legally carrying a gun and he was murdered by someone who was looking to kill a man just because he didn't like the fact that supported black people. The man said he was going to kill someone and the governor called to pardon him after he spent 24 hours in prison.

Maximized liberty is a cop out from taking care of social issues we've yet to address.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 11, 2023, 06:17:16 AM
No

Gun debate aside, this is really rough ridin' stupid and there's no way you can't think we wouldn't have more driving deaths if we didn't license drivers. What are you even saying? lol, absurd. This is just digging in your heels because you just didn't want to walk into rusty's point.

The only real barrier to entry for a drivers license is age, and we already have that with gun ownership. In Kansas you can get behind the wheel of a car by yourself at 15 by passing a simple written test and having your parents sign an affidavit saying you drove a handful of hours in the car with them and take a day long drivers education course.  Anyone who wants to get one can, and the roads are still full of terrible drivers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 11, 2023, 06:35:56 AM
lol I think he's serious
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 11, 2023, 08:18:32 AM
No

Gun debate aside, this is really rough ridin' stupid and there's no way you can't think we wouldn't have more driving deaths if we didn't license drivers. What are you even saying? lol, absurd. This is just digging in your heels because you just didn't want to walk into rusty's point.

The only real barrier to entry for a drivers license is age, and we already have that with gun ownership. In Kansas you can get behind the wheel of a car by yourself at 15 by passing a simple written test and having your parents sign an affidavit saying you drove a handful of hours in the car with them and take a day long drivers education course.  Anyone who wants to get one can, and the roads are still full of terrible drivers.

Licenses also get taken away all the time for things like DUIs, reckless driving, etc. I'd imagine we would stop a lot of murders with small arms if we took guns away for domestic violence like we take drivers licenses away for drunk driving.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 11, 2023, 08:37:16 AM
They already do take guns away for domestic violence.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 11, 2023, 08:58:01 AM
Not property taxes (where applicable), sales/gift tax, or the requirement to record changes in ownership. I’d also argue that the types of auto restrictions advocated for in this case are not on USE but ANTICIPATED USE—such as the requirement to obtain a driver’s license, license the vehicle, regularly inspect it (in some states), and carry liability insurance.

i only recently learned that some states assess property taxes on vehicles.  i've never lived in such a state, but i don't know how common that is.

sales tax is already assessed on guns, as it is on most goods.  recording ownership is a good point, though.

i don't think the distinction between use and anticipated use is meaningful.  how does it matter?


I’m really not sure what this distinction is getting at. The people advocating most vocally against gun restrictions are the same people arguing for the desirability of being able to use a gun at a moment’s notice.

Regardless, requiring training for gun owners and carrying liability insurance to benefit potential gun victims serves the exact same purpose as it does vehicle owners.

because people using guns to kill people is deliberate.  it is the intended use of the product by the owner.  training them in how to better operate their gun does not address this.

i could be wrong, but i suspect that auto liability insurance does not cover the driver deliberately using their vehicle to attack another person.
The use vs. anticipated use isn’t a meaningful distinction in my opinion. Just pointing it out that many restrictions on cars apply regardless of use, although realistically you won’t face any consequences unless you do drive.

On #2, the fact there are barriers at all is very likely to reduce the amount of overall gun deaths (mass murder, murder, suicide, accident). Training to explain some basics won’t reduce someone’s desire to murder, but it will reduce some reckless decisions on storing guns and as an added bonus will result in fewer guns in the hands of suicidal and murderous people.

I’ll admit I haven’t looked it up, but car insurance not covering an intentional victim seems odd to me. In either case, there are plenty of deaths either by pure accident or poor storage (so it gets in the hands of a toddler or sandy hook type guy) where insurance would make sense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on April 11, 2023, 12:51:59 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/1645838276232658944?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 01:29:24 PM
although realistically you won’t face any consequences unless you do drive.

this is really the key point, i think, that makes gun control non-analogous to restrictions on vehicle use.  there are essentially no restrictions on purchasing a car (other than owner registry, as you pointed out, which is something).  if you want to purchase a car, take it home and put in your closet, the state has nothing to say to you.

the fact that enforcement of vehicle use restrictions is possible because cars are large, conspicuous and used on public roads while guns are none of those things also factors into how non-analogous these cases are.


In either case, there are plenty of deaths either by pure accident or poor storage (so it gets in the hands of a toddler or sandy hook type guy) where insurance would make sense.

does auto insurance reduce dangerous or reckless driving?  maybe it does, but i'm not sure that it's obvious that it would.  likewise, i'd think that your child not dying would be incentive enough for people with children to secure their guns (how many gun deaths are the result of young children playing with their parents' guns?  i assume not many, but i don't know), but i admit that humans often do respond prompts pushing them into behaviors that were obviously in their interest even without the prompt.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 01:30:33 PM
Licenses also get taken away all the time for things like DUIs, reckless driving, etc. I'd imagine we would stop a lot of murders with small arms if we took guns away for domestic violence like we take drivers licenses away for drunk driving.

licenses get taken away, but cars do not.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 01:32:41 PM
Nearly every case is "maximized liberty" in this country benefits the few and comes at the expense of large groups of people. We've yet to deal with the isims that this country was founded on. We literally have a case right not where a man was legally carrying a gun and he was murdered by someone who was looking to kill a man just because he didn't like the fact that supported black people. The man said he was going to kill someone and the governor called to pardon him after he spent 24 hours in prison.

Maximized liberty is a cop out from taking care of social issues we've yet to address.

i don't see any connection between the example you mention and maximizing liberty.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 11, 2023, 01:42:21 PM
although realistically you won’t face any consequences unless you do drive.

this is really the key point, i think, that makes gun control non-analogous to restrictions on vehicle use.  there are essentially no restrictions on purchasing a car (other than owner registry, as you pointed out, which is something).  if you want to purchase a car, take it home and put in your closet, the state has nothing to say to you.

the fact that enforcement of vehicle use restrictions is possible because cars are large, conspicuous and used on public roads while guns are none of those things also factors into how non-analogous these cases are.

It's a fool's errand to try to regulate criminals away from committing crimes, and it's a red herring to raise that concern in this conversation in my opinion. People drive with expired licenses or car registrations all the time, and with very little risk of getting caught. Still, your average person will be incentivized to go through the legal steps because (1) they want to follow the law, and (2) they realize there is a risk you get stopped for a separate offense, in which case you will get dinged for your dereliction of the other stuff. Regulating guns would be the same way. Sure you could buy a gun and never get it licensed without any enforcement risk, but you could also get stopped for running a red light and for some reason the cop has probable cause to search your car and turned up an unlicensed/unregistered gun. Or maybe that gun accidentally discharges. Or any number of things. We criminalize possession of illegal drugs even though it's incredibly difficult to catch someone with them too.

In either case, there are plenty of deaths either by pure accident or poor storage (so it gets in the hands of a toddler or sandy hook type guy) where insurance would make sense.

does auto insurance reduce dangerous or reckless driving?  maybe it does, but i'm not sure that it's obvious that it would.  likewise, i'd think that your child not dying would be incentive enough for people with children to secure their guns (how many gun deaths are the result of young children playing with their parents' guns?  i assume not many, but i don't know), but i admit that humans often do respond prompts pushing them into behaviors that were obviously in their interest even without the prompt.

Licensing (i.e., requiring proof of basic knowledge regarding driving and road signs) definitely reduces dangerous or reckless driving.

And proper gun storage is not a matter of incentive but of ignorance. I think there are PLENTY of gun owners who do not appreciate the risks involved. The idea would be similar to a defensive driving course. Of course people want to not get in massive car accidents. That doesn't stop them from ignoring what puts them at risk of doing so.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 11, 2023, 01:48:12 PM
They already do take guns away for domestic violence.

How does this even work if we don't register guns? How do the police even know how many guns they need to confiscate, or if you even have any?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 01:51:23 PM
We criminalize possession of illegal drugs even though it's incredibly difficult to catch someone with them too.

i think this is a much better analogy for how gun control can/does work.  you restrict possession, not licence use.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 11, 2023, 02:02:43 PM
We criminalize possession of illegal drugs even though it's incredibly difficult to catch someone with them too.

i think this is a much better analogy for how gun control can/does work.  you restrict possession, not licence use.

mmm...i dunno about that. With drugs, it doesn't matter what your motivation is for having them...to use or to sell, either way everything you do involved with drugs is illicit. I think there's a big difference in how people behave when dealing with things that are always illegal vs things that are perfectly legal with the valid permits.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 11, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Licenses also get taken away all the time for things like DUIs, reckless driving, etc. I'd imagine we would stop a lot of murders with small arms if we took guns away for domestic violence like we take drivers licenses away for drunk driving.

licenses get taken away, but cars do not.

cars get taken away for infractions all the time. Usually for improper storage!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2023, 02:07:24 PM
Licenses also get taken away all the time for things like DUIs, reckless driving, etc. I'd imagine we would stop a lot of murders with small arms if we took guns away for domestic violence like we take drivers licenses away for drunk driving.

licenses get taken away, but cars do not.

cars get taken away for infractions all the time. Usually for improper storage!

Not to mention civil asset forfeiture!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 02:13:40 PM
cars get taken away for infractions all the time. Usually for improper storage!

because the vehicle is left unattended on public property.  analogous to police taking custody of a gun left lying on a sidewalk.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 02:14:51 PM
Not to mention civil asset forfeiture!

treated the same as any other property.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 11, 2023, 02:25:48 PM
Licenses also get taken away all the time for things like DUIs, reckless driving, etc. I'd imagine we would stop a lot of murders with small arms if we took guns away for domestic violence like we take drivers licenses away for drunk driving.

licenses get taken away, but cars do not.

cars get taken away for infractions all the time. Usually for improper storage!

Not to mention civil asset forfeiture!

It’s harder to lose a car in a boating accident
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 11, 2023, 05:58:52 PM
lol I think he's serious

Imma just let him cook, just a wild ass take.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 11, 2023, 06:07:33 PM
Nearly every case is "maximized liberty" in this country benefits the few and comes at the expense of large groups of people. We've yet to deal with the isims that this country was founded on. We literally have a case right not where a man was legally carrying a gun and he was murdered by someone who was looking to kill a man just because he didn't like the fact that supported black people. The man said he was going to kill someone and the governor called to pardon him after he spent 24 hours in prison.

Maximized liberty is a cop out from taking care of social issues we've yet to address.

i don't see any connection between the example you mention and maximizing liberty.

I literally gave you an example, if you don't want to see it, that's fine. Maximized liberty isn't a thing and can't be a thing until systematic oppression is addressed. You walking down the street with an AK-47 will be looked at significantly and treated significantly different that a Somali-American with a shemagh on his head.

Maximized liberty is a fantasy world like libertarianism.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 11, 2023, 06:51:30 PM
I literally gave you an example, if you don't want to see it, that's fine. Maximized liberty isn't a thing and can't be a thing until systematic oppression is addressed.

complete nonsense.  essentially gibberish.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 11, 2023, 07:47:14 PM
They already do take guns away for domestic violence.

How does this even work if we don't register guns? How do the police even know how many guns they need to confiscate, or if you even have any?
How do they know the person driving that car has a liscence/insurance?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 11, 2023, 07:58:41 PM
The answer is obviously they don’t know. Even if they did, police aren’t typically in the habit of forcibly confiscating guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 11, 2023, 10:03:28 PM
I literally gave you an example, if you don't want to see it, that's fine. Maximized liberty isn't a thing and can't be a thing until systematic oppression is addressed.

complete nonsense.  essentially gibberish.

cool.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 11, 2023, 11:01:40 PM
   
So they are not enforcing a law that is already in place.  That's the thing, a lot of laws that you guys are advocating for are already in place.  There are laws in place to prevent anyone with a felony from purchasing or being in possession of a firearm.  There are laws in place to prevent anyone convicted of a domestic violence crime from purchasing or being in possession of a firearm.  Back ground checks?  Every gun purchased through an authorized dealer requires a background check.  Gun registry?  Every gun purchased through an authorized dealer is registered.  Fully automatic firearms?  Illegal to own unless you possess a special FFL.  Obtaining this FFL is a very arduous and expensive process.  Having a firearm on school property?  In ks, its Illegal unless you have a CCL even though Ks is a right to carry state.  Ge wants to compare regulating guns to regulating cars.  Steve Dave's dad could buy a vehicle with no title from an individual, never tag it, never insure it, and only use it to do farm chores around the home place.  If it never leaves the property, nobody knows about it.  When high school Steve Dave decides to take it for a joy ride and play chicken with an SUV carrying a family of 6 resulting in the SUV driving off a bridge killing all on board, what additional laws would have prevented this?  Honestly, most gun owners are not opposed to reasonable gun regulation.  The reason they dig their heels in is because they know that there is no middle ground with the anti gun crowd.  They will not stop until America has been completely disarmed. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2023, 11:10:55 PM
   
 They will not stop until America has been completely disarmed.

Hey man, don't tempt me with a good time!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 11, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Hey I get it.  Guns mean nothing to you and that's ok.  They are an evil tool.  To a large segment of America though, guns do mean something.   I can tell you that hunting was/is a key element of my upbringing.   My family still gets together for hunts.  Guns are valued in my family.   Some of my most coveted possessions are firearms that have been passed down to me by ancestors who are now deceased.  Most of them are not overly valuable in a monetary sense, but they are irreplaceable to me.  For some people, their guns were the most valuable items they possessed, so when they are passed down, it really means something.   Again, I realize that none of this means crap to you and you'd just as soon see these family heirlooms be thrown on the Aggie bonfire, but this is why you see resistance to any real discussion on gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2023, 11:36:06 PM
Hey I get it.  Guns mean nothing to you and that's ok.  They are an evil tool.  To a large segment of America though, guns do mean something.   I can tell you that hunting was/is a key element of my upbringing.   My family still gets together for hunts.  Guns are valued in my family.   Some of my most coveted possessions are firearms that have been passed down to me by ancestors who are now deceased.  Most of them are not overly valuable in a monetary sense, but they are irreplaceable to me.  For some people, their guns were the most valuable items they possessed, so when they are passed down, it really means something.   Again, I realize that none of this means crap to you and you'd just as soon see these family heirlooms be thrown on the Aggie bonfire, but this is why you see resistance to any real discussion on gun control.

Because you won't accept any modest measures, since the inevitable end game to you is full confiscation? How about we start with a completely voluntary gun buyback program.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 11, 2023, 11:55:31 PM
I never said I wouldn't accept modest measures.  I simply pointed out what you're up against and why.  As far as a voluntary buy back program goes, who's funding it?  Am I paying to buy back my own gun that I have already paid sales tax on once?  Are we buying back at market price or original purchase price?  Some guns are purchased as a financial investment.  If the anti gun group is going to get together and fund this buy back at absolutely no cost to the tax payer (this includes paying for the resources to recover and dispose of the firearms) then yeah, I have no problem with a voluntary buy back.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2023, 12:00:36 AM
Where is this gun registry you're talking about? Who can search it?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 12, 2023, 12:19:32 AM
I do not know who can access a "gun registry ".  I do not know that a "gun registry" exists in the form that you may be envisioning.  What I do know is that ethe serial number of every firearm I've ever purchased is recorded by the FFL that I've received the firearm from and that accompanies my background check.  The record of that transaction is recorded somewhere.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2023, 05:16:13 AM
Honestly, most gun owners are not opposed to reasonable gun regulation.

What are some examples of what you would consider reasonable gun regulation?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on April 12, 2023, 09:37:33 AM
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the govt. confiscate antique firearms and hunting rifles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2023, 09:52:14 AM
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the govt. confiscate antique firearms and hunting rifles.

Of course not but when you need to argue that everyone who is pissed off at being fired should be able to go easily get an AR type rifle and 1000 rounds you can't really say that.  You need to pretend that there are people who want outlaw the 12 gauge mossberg your grandpa used to shoot pheasants otherwise you look like a psycho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 12, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
AR-15 platform has to go.  Guy in Louisville used one he purchased legally.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on April 12, 2023, 10:59:07 AM
   
So they are not enforcing a law that is already in place.  That's the thing, a lot of laws that you guys are advocating for are already in place.  There are laws in place to prevent anyone with a felony from purchasing or being in possession of a firearm.  There are laws in place to prevent anyone convicted of a domestic violence crime from purchasing or being in possession of a firearm.  Back ground checks?  Every gun purchased through an authorized dealer requires a background check.  Gun registry?  Every gun purchased through an authorized dealer is registered.  Fully automatic firearms?  Illegal to own unless you possess a special FFL.  Obtaining this FFL is a very arduous and expensive process.  Having a firearm on school property?  In ks, its Illegal unless you have a CCL even though Ks is a right to carry state.  Ge wants to compare regulating guns to regulating cars.  Steve Dave's dad could buy a vehicle with no title from an individual, never tag it, never insure it, and only use it to do farm chores around the home place.  If it never leaves the property, nobody knows about it.  When high school Steve Dave decides to take it for a joy ride and play chicken with an SUV carrying a family of 6 resulting in the SUV driving off a bridge killing all on board, what additional laws would have prevented this?  Honestly, most gun owners are not opposed to reasonable gun regulation.  The reason they dig their heels in is because they know that there is no middle ground with the anti gun crowd.  They will not stop until America has been completely disarmed.

A lot of these laws aren't in place in a lot of places.  As you point out, background checks and registry only apply through an authorized dealer.  A lot of places allow domestic violence offenders weapons and don't have red flag laws.  Republicans are trying to put more guns on school property as a solution. 

The disarmament of America is a red herring that the gun lobby sells.  Dem's have consistently voted for reasonable regulation in your middle ground.  They may fight for more restrictions than you approve of on occasion, but they're not the ones opposing common sense gun laws.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 12, 2023, 11:15:12 AM
Opposing reasonable gun regulations on the basis that the other side is “just going to ask for more” is even a dumber justification than owning the libs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 12, 2023, 12:02:30 PM
for being the party that is super duper concerned about the safety of our children, its strange to me that the GOP has no interest/political will to tackle the thing that is the leading cause of death of children.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2023, 12:12:33 PM
I do not know who can access a "gun registry ".  I do not know that a "gun registry" exists in the form that you may be envisioning.  What I do know is that ethe serial number of every firearm I've ever purchased is recorded by the FFL that I've received the firearm from and that accompanies my background check.  The record of that transaction is recorded somewhere.

That's what I figured but thought maybe there is something I'm unaware of. Kind of disingenuous to portray that as a gun registry but you also think people are going to come in your home and take grandpappy's hunting rifle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on April 12, 2023, 01:09:03 PM
Ban assault rifles and high capacity magazines, bump stocks and anything else that can make weapons deadlier or more dangerous.  Voluntary buy backs, waiting periods and background checks.

Not a gun guy but would seem very reasonable to restrict ammo that is high velocity that makes a single bullet wound an absolute death sentence.

What's the legal test on banning ammunition?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2023, 01:30:02 PM
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the govt. confiscate antique firearms and hunting rifles.

I would prefer antique guns and hunting rifles be confiscated after a domestic violence incident.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2023, 01:37:44 PM
AR-15 platform has to go.  Guy in Louisville used one he purchased legally.

I assume the very very vast majority of these death guns are legally purchased.  That is literally my point.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 12, 2023, 01:43:20 PM
AR-15 platform has to go.  Guy in Louisville used one he purchased legally.

I assume the very very vast majority of these death guns are legally purchased.  That is literally my point.

Yea ban new sales of assault weapons ASAP
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 12, 2023, 02:18:35 PM
AR-15 platform has to go.  Guy in Louisville used one he purchased legally.

I assume the very very vast majority of these death guns are legally purchased.  That is literally my point.

Yea ban new sales of assault weapons ASAP

Have we discussed that in Kentucky when a gun is used to commit a crime it's illegal for that gun to be destroyed or even permanently held? In Kentucky these guns used to kill people, including this AR used in a mass murder, has to be auctioned off.

What's even more cruel? The pro law enforcement party forces the cops to perform the auctions, the same cops being shot by these guns. The Kentucky State Police have to do the auctions and they only get 20% of the sales
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
AR-15 platform has to go.  Guy in Louisville used one he purchased legally.

I assume the very very vast majority of these death guns are legally purchased.  That is literally my point.

Yea ban new sales of assault weapons ASAP

Have we discussed that in Kentucky when a gun is used to commit a crime it's illegal for that gun to be destroyed or even permanently held? In Kentucky these guns used to kill people, including this AR used in a mass murder, has to be auctioned off.

What's even more cruel? The pro law enforcement party forces the cops to perform the auctions, the same cops being shot by these guns. The Kentucky State Police have to do the auctions and they only get 20% of the sales

Where does the other 80% go? The general coffers?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 12, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
AR-15 platform has to go.  Guy in Louisville used one he purchased legally.

I assume the very very vast majority of these death guns are legally purchased.  That is literally my point.

Yea ban new sales of assault weapons ASAP

Have we discussed that in Kentucky when a gun is used to commit a crime it's illegal for that gun to be destroyed or even permanently held? In Kentucky these guns used to kill people, including this AR used in a mass murder, has to be auctioned off.

What's even more cruel? The pro law enforcement party forces the cops to perform the auctions, the same cops being shot by these guns. The Kentucky State Police have to do the auctions and they only get 20% of the sales

Where does the other 80% go? The general coffers?

Kentucky homeland security, for some odd reason
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: kim carnes on April 12, 2023, 02:56:08 PM
Banning assault weapons defeats the purpose of the second amendment you guys
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2023, 03:55:45 PM
Banning assault weapons defeats the purpose of the second amendment you guys

I'm very much an Originalist when it comes to understanding the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2023, 04:46:37 PM
Banning assault weapons defeats the purpose of the second amendment you guys

So does not regulating the militia (well)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 12, 2023, 08:19:24 PM
Honestly, most gun owners are not opposed to reasonable gun regulation.

What are some examples of what you would consider reasonable gun regulation?
Requiring a liscence to carry a firearm on your person in a public setting.
High capacity (more than 10 rounds) magazines illegal
Require person to person sales be recorded and purchaser be subject to background check.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 12, 2023, 09:55:43 PM
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the govt. confiscate antique firearms and hunting rifles.

Actually 2 people in this very thread said just that

quote author=OK_Cat link=topic=25202.msg2214707#msg2214707 date=1681141712]
I don't like guns and want guns to be gone....

quote author=Spracne link=topic=25202.msg2215106#msg2215106 date=1681272655]
   
 They will not stop until America has been completely disarmed.

Hey man, don't tempt me with a good time!
[/quote]
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2023, 09:57:51 PM
That's Hope-Solo mangled, but I don't regret it, for my part.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: schreds21 on April 12, 2023, 10:06:04 PM
I do not know who can access a "gun registry ".  I do not know that a "gun registry" exists in the form that you may be envisioning.  What I do know is that ethe serial number of every firearm I've ever purchased is recorded by the FFL that I've received the firearm from and that accompanies my background check.  The record of that transaction is recorded somewhere.

That's what I figured but thought maybe there is something I'm unaware of. Kind of disingenuous to portray that as a gun registry but you also think people are going to come in your home and take grandpappy's hunting rifle.
I never said that's what I think.  I pointed out that this is one of the biggest reasons for opposition by the pro gun crowd
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2023, 10:37:31 PM
I do not know who can access a "gun registry ".  I do not know that a "gun registry" exists in the form that you may be envisioning.  What I do know is that ethe serial number of every firearm I've ever purchased is recorded by the FFL that I've received the firearm from and that accompanies my background check.  The record of that transaction is recorded somewhere.

That's what I figured but thought maybe there is something I'm unaware of. Kind of disingenuous to portray that as a gun registry but you also think people are going to come in your home and take grandpappy's hunting rifle.
I never said that's what I think.  I pointed out that this is one of the biggest reasons for opposition by the pro gun crowd

Fair enough, my apologies
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 12, 2023, 10:56:29 PM
That's Hope-Solo mangled

oh no
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on April 13, 2023, 08:03:03 AM
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the govt. confiscate antique firearms and hunting rifles.

Actually 2 people in this very thread said just that

quote author=OK_Cat link=topic=25202.msg2214707#msg2214707 date=1681141712]
I don't like guns and want guns to be gone....

quote author=Spracne link=topic=25202.msg2215106#msg2215106 date=1681272655]
   
 They will not stop until America has been completely disarmed.

Hey man, don't tempt me with a good time!

Nice edit of the post, dummy

Nobody is going to take your hillbilly-ass antique rifle.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 13, 2023, 09:38:33 AM
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the govt. confiscate antique firearms and hunting rifles.

Actually 2 people in this very thread said just that

quote author=OK_Cat link=topic=25202.msg2214707#msg2214707 date=1681141712]
I don't like guns and want guns to be gone....

quote author=Spracne link=topic=25202.msg2215106#msg2215106 date=1681272655]
   
 They will not stop until America has been completely disarmed.

Hey man, don't tempt me with a good time!

Nice edit of the post, dummy

Nobody is going to take your hillbilly-ass antique rifle.
[/quote]

Like ever, in 1 trillion years.  The gov has absolutely no interest in the broke dick remington your grandpa had in his glass door gun cabinet.
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on April 13, 2023, 10:27:23 AM
As a fellow originalist, I’m afraid that schred’s grandpa’s hunting rifle is far too new of weapon tech to be covered by the Second Amendment. BAN IT
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 13, 2023, 10:30:03 AM
As a fellow originalist, I’m afraid that schred’s grandpa’s hunting rifle is far too new of weapon tech to be covered by the Second Amendment. BAN IT

As a fellow originalist I simply believe it should be well regulated.  Which it is currently not
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 13, 2023, 10:31:20 AM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on April 13, 2023, 10:35:06 AM
I think there's a big difference between wishing there weren't guns and expecting the government to confiscate all guns. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on April 13, 2023, 10:35:25 AM
Nobody would ever be scared if somebody with a Civil War musket showed up at a bank to rob the place.  "Hang on 20 minutes while I load this POS"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 13, 2023, 10:54:01 AM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2023, 11:12:32 AM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Different political climate. Way back in the 1980s and 1990s politicians had the irrational fear that they had to listen to their constituents. Now they know better.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2023, 11:14:42 AM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.

We really didn't have gun legislation in this country until Ronnie was shot. I'd bet that if a prominent republican was shot today, they'd just dig in more. I don't even think this is about the brokedick nra anymore, just about owning the libs.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 13, 2023, 12:35:05 PM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.

We really didn't have gun legislation in this country until Ronnie was shot. I'd bet that if a prominent republican was shot today, they'd just dig in more. I don't even think this is about the brokedick nra anymore, just about owning the libs.

I do think the NRA wrote the script and now busted ass yokels just repeat it.  They aren't needed anymore
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 13, 2023, 01:09:22 PM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.

We really didn't have gun legislation in this country until Ronnie was shot. I'd bet that if a prominent republican was shot today, they'd just dig in more. I don't even think this is about the brokedick nra anymore, just about owning the libs.

Machine guns were essentially banned in 1934
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: NickVickandThick on April 13, 2023, 01:51:39 PM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.

We really didn't have gun legislation in this country until Ronnie was shot. I'd bet that if a prominent republican was shot today, they'd just dig in more. I don't even think this is about the brokedick nra anymore, just about owning the libs.

Machine guns were essentially banned in 1934

Wait this can't be right I was told our rights to own guns "Shall not be infringed".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2023, 02:36:52 PM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.

We really didn't have gun legislation in this country until Ronnie was shot. I'd bet that if a prominent republican was shot today, they'd just dig in more. I don't even think this is about the brokedick nra anymore, just about owning the libs.

Machine guns were essentially banned in 1934

essentially. Any significant gun legislation between that and the Brady Bill?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 14, 2023, 08:57:38 AM
We have recent legal precedent to outlaw the sale of assault weapons, this isn’t hard.

Was in place for a decent number of years as well.

We really didn't have gun legislation in this country until Ronnie was shot. I'd bet that if a prominent republican was shot today, they'd just dig in more. I don't even think this is about the brokedick nra anymore, just about owning the libs.

Machine guns were essentially banned in 1934

essentially. Any significant gun legislation between that and the Brady Bill?

not to my knowledge
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on April 17, 2023, 12:54:17 AM
An alabama thing that isn’t so alabama that it goes in the south thread.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/alabama-mass-shooting-dadeville-birthday-party-latest-b2320923.html
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on April 17, 2023, 05:58:28 AM
i mean, i have a lot of different opinions that don't necessarily form a unified, coherent ideology.

if you want a relatively short version based on u.s. politics, something like:  pro-business, environmentalist, globalist, dem-leaning independent with liberty-maximizing tendencies.
Beto! Wanted to take the guns but otherwise lines up here.

Maybe you would be ok if it was Beto! skateboarding around, rounding up the AR-15s?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sys on April 17, 2023, 08:42:22 AM
Maybe you would be ok if it was Beto! skateboarding around, rounding up the AR-15s?

it's not a priority issue for me (aside from being politically impossible for the foreseeable future) but yeah, i'm generally pro gun control, including a ban on possession of assault rifles.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on April 17, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Some serious common ground ITT around banning assault weapons
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on April 17, 2023, 10:42:10 AM
Some serious common ground ITT around banning assault weapons

I think it's become an en vogue measure that is the equivalent of putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 24, 2023, 12:15:27 PM
Multiple assault weapons, 5 computers, multiple cell phones and apparently an extremely violent manifesto.  In another instance the NYT/WaPo wing of the Federal Law Enforcement/Intelligence complex would have two floors of lawyers working on getting the manifesto released.  But in this case, if we ever see it, it'll probably look like this -

(https://i.ibb.co/Nj0345g/Screenshot-2023-04-24-120805.jpg)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 24, 2023, 03:13:51 PM
enraged about hypothetical manifesto redactions is a new one
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 24, 2023, 03:18:34 PM
Some people can't read and comprehend well which then induces the usual full #deflectocon

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
lol I can definitely not comprehend what is going on here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 06, 2023, 09:46:51 PM
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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 07, 2023, 12:43:35 AM
https://twitter.com/bfriedmandc/status/1654982749617307650?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 07, 2023, 05:34:14 AM
we really should ban guns guys. upside is dramatically more than downside (any?).
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 07, 2023, 08:46:28 AM
we really should ban guns guys. upside is dramatically more than downside (any?).

Sure was fun telling my super young kids to run to the back of a store in the mall try to get out the fire exit and them telling me yea they know and ziz zag and play dead and if they have to take their dead friend's blood and smear it on them so they look dead.

ghouls
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 07, 2023, 09:15:03 AM
Ppl that like the good guy with a gun argument either are not able to understand the long game, are financially motivated, or want to live in a hell scape where we all just shoot back and forth to settled everything.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 07, 2023, 11:11:32 AM
lazy eye'd texas AG doubling down, wants more guns says really nothing else we can do.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on May 07, 2023, 12:35:50 PM
Ppl that like the good guy with a gun argument either are not able to understand the long game, are financially motivated, or want to live in a hell scape where we all just shoot back and forth to settled everything.

Yup, and like, that shooting someone is an acceptable way to end any altercation, verbal or otherwise. It's insane that just shooting someone is like, "oh well they deserved it cause I didn't feel safe".
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 07, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
Ppl that like the good guy with a gun argument either are not able to understand the long game, are financially motivated, or want to live in a hell scape where we all just shoot back and forth to settled everything.

Yup, and like, that shooting someone is an acceptable way to end any altercation, verbal or otherwise. It's insane that just shooting someone is like, "oh well they deserved it cause I didn't feel safe".

Now fast forward. You are hearing about shootings more. You will feel less safe. Rinse and repeat. Farther down we go.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 07, 2023, 01:30:52 PM
You guys won’t believe what kind of gun the shooter was using. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 07, 2023, 02:16:31 PM
You guys won’t believe what kind of gun the shooter was using.
A musket, I would assume.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on May 07, 2023, 06:38:45 PM
Grandpa’s hunting rifle?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 07, 2023, 08:01:45 PM
Getting warmer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on May 08, 2023, 09:20:58 AM
We have too many mass shootings. Should we change the criteria for a mass shooting to be something higher? I’d say 10, but that seems to metric systemy.  Maybe a baker’s dozen?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: WildcatNkilt on May 08, 2023, 09:27:52 AM
All the good guy Texans with guns failed.  An officer still took this dude out.  Thankfully, this one wasn't a coward like the Ulvade officers. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
I thought Texas allowed good guys with guns to carry?  How did all the good guys fail so hard?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 08, 2023, 09:55:15 AM
Good guys with guns aren't shopping at H&M.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2023, 09:57:01 AM
Good guys with guns aren't shopping at H&M.

well not all shooters will go to Kmart
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 08, 2023, 10:18:05 AM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 08, 2023, 10:19:17 AM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

huh?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 08, 2023, 10:40:37 AM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

huh?
the good guys with guns weren't allowed to bring the guns into the mall. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 08, 2023, 11:04:30 AM
I think it's time for the media to stop reporting on these shootings.  It's very clear that nothing will ever change, so I'd much rather live in a world of blissfull ignorance than hear about it everyday knowing that nothing will happen to prevent it.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 08, 2023, 11:11:19 AM
I think it's time for the media to stop reporting on these shootings.  It's very clear that nothing will ever change, so I'd much rather live in a world of blissfull ignorance than hear about it everyday knowing that nothing will happen to prevent it.

They already barely cover them. We only hear about the notable mass shootings. I think that if we are actually going to get change, they need to ramp up coverage. Actually show what the aftermath looks like, and maybe some people will decide to do something.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2023, 11:36:56 AM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

huh?
the good guys with guns weren't allowed to bring the guns into the mall.

so how did the shooter get shot?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on May 08, 2023, 12:28:49 PM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

huh?
the good guys with guns weren't allowed to bring the guns into the mall.

so how did the shooter get shot?

He was shot by a cop that was already there for a different call.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 08, 2023, 12:38:15 PM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

huh?
the good guys with guns weren't allowed to bring the guns into the mall.

so how did the shooter get shot?
Policeman
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: chum1 on May 08, 2023, 12:38:48 PM
I think it's time for the media to stop reporting on these shootings.  It's very clear that nothing will ever change

I think things would change if deadly shootings were reported on way more heavily and frequently than they are now. And that's probably the only way things would change.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 08, 2023, 12:43:04 PM
neither "side" has a reason to change anything, so it's never changing.  kids faces being blown off is just a part of our reality now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 08, 2023, 12:48:43 PM
neither "side" has a reason to change anything, so it's never changing.  kids faces being blown off is just a part of our reality now.

I agree with Rage that we need to start showing the blown-off faces (with family permission, of course). That's the only way to reach the dinner table, so to speak.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on May 08, 2023, 12:50:39 PM
i mean....those of us that are of similar age have literally been dealing with this since we were in high school and columbine happened.  nothing will ever change because politicians want votes.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 08, 2023, 12:56:31 PM
Each day that you or your family goes out to a crowded public place, the price of freedom in America is that you might catch a stray that will blow off an appendage/organ.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2023, 02:16:59 PM
Each day that you or your family goes out to a crowded public place, the price of freedom in America is that you might catch a stray that will blow off an appendage/organ.

I don't even think strays are the problem.  It is a deranged nazi that was kicked out of military for being a psycho who is intentionally shooting
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 09, 2023, 08:54:39 AM
https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1655933947770204160
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 09, 2023, 08:58:38 AM
 :frown:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvrv9QZXoAIJX90?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 09:17:09 AM
I wonder why things seem to be quite a bit worse this year.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 09, 2023, 09:19:22 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 09:43:11 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
I don't see it getting better.  I think draconian gun control stuff would help a lot (and at this point, i'm firmly in the draconian gun control camp), but it's hard to ignore that there's a serious problem with young men in the US.  Just a lot of amoral rage that apparently enough people fantasize about and actually carry out.  Either "for the memes" (which I think is the root for most of these) or some dipshit cultural purpose (which I think a lot of the "for the memes" types latch onto because of shock value). 

Whatever it is, I do think that these weirdo online corners of the internet like 4chan that a lot of incels and otherwise perpetually online, lonely young men flock to are a tinderbox.  And when guns are super easy to get, these guys can explode.  That (insanely easy access to weapons) I think is the key ingredient to the America problem.  Though, (for whatever reason), I don't think that's the only ingredient.  I think there's something else going on with a lot of American young men that (for whatever reason) isn't going on in a lot of other western countries. Have no real clue what it is though. 

It just seems like in the last decade, there's been a lot of young men in the US eager to take others with them when they decide they want to kill themselves. Obviously removing guns (i.e. making them much harder to obtain) from that equation helps (and we should do it), but I don't think it totally solves that problem, which, imo is a relatively new phenomenon.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 09, 2023, 09:46:44 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
I don't see it getting better.  I think draconian gun control stuff would help a lot (and at this point, i'm firmly in the draconian gun control camp), but it's hard to ignore that there's a serious problem with young men in the US.  Just a lot of amoral rage that apparently enough people fantasize about and actually carry out.  Either "for the memes" (which I think is the root for most of these) or some dipshit cultural purpose (which I think a lot of the "for the memes" types latch onto because of shock value). 

Whatever it is, I do think that these weirdo online corners of the internet like 4chan that a lot of incels and otherwise perpetually online, lonely young men flock to are a tinderbox.  And when guns are super easy to get, these guys can explode.  That (insanely easy access to weapons) I think is the key ingredient to the America problem.  Though, (for whatever reason), I don't think that's the only ingredient.  I think there's something else going on with a lot of American young men that (for whatever reason) isn't going on in a lot of other western countries. Have no real clue what it is though. 

It just seems like in the last decade, there's been a lot of young men in the US eager to take others with them when they decide they want to kill themselves. Obviously removing guns (i.e. making them much harder to obtain) from that equation helps (and we should do it), but I don't think it totally solves that problem, which, imo is a relatively new phenomenon.

They are being told by the media that they consume and their religious leaders that their way of life is in danger and if they don't act then they aren't a patriot.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 09, 2023, 09:51:53 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
I don't see it getting better.  I think draconian gun control stuff would help a lot (and at this point, i'm firmly in the draconian gun control camp), but it's hard to ignore that there's a serious problem with young men in the US.  Just a lot of amoral rage that apparently enough people fantasize about and actually carry out.  Either "for the memes" (which I think is the root for most of these) or some dipshit cultural purpose (which I think a lot of the "for the memes" types latch onto because of shock value). 

Whatever it is, I do think that these weirdo online corners of the internet like 4chan that a lot of incels and otherwise perpetually online, lonely young men flock to are a tinderbox.  And when guns are super easy to get, these guys can explode.  That (insanely easy access to weapons) I think is the key ingredient to the America problem.  Though, (for whatever reason), I don't think that's the only ingredient.  I think there's something else going on with a lot of American young men that (for whatever reason) isn't going on in a lot of other western countries. Have no real clue what it is though. 

It just seems like in the last decade, there's been a lot of young men in the US eager to take others with them when they decide they want to kill themselves. Obviously removing guns (i.e. making them much harder to obtain) from that equation helps (and we should do it), but I don't think it totally solves that problem, which, imo is a relatively new phenomenon.

I don't think our young male population is any different than the rest of the world. and I agree with cire that a big piece of that anger is being stoked by media and their elders, but that's not unique here either imo. certainly have those far right replacement theory personalities in europe as well. there are radicalized hate forums/groups like this everywhere. ours have a VERY different ability to access mass casualty weapons with little to zero barriers though. almost encouraged to do so in a lot of places. agree on the draconian measures need to happen immediately though. won't be easy, but will be necessary.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 09, 2023, 09:56:06 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
I don't see it getting better.  I think draconian gun control stuff would help a lot (and at this point, i'm firmly in the draconian gun control camp), but it's hard to ignore that there's a serious problem with young men in the US.  Just a lot of amoral rage that apparently enough people fantasize about and actually carry out.  Either "for the memes" (which I think is the root for most of these) or some dipshit cultural purpose (which I think a lot of the "for the memes" types latch onto because of shock value). 

Whatever it is, I do think that these weirdo online corners of the internet like 4chan that a lot of incels and otherwise perpetually online, lonely young men flock to are a tinderbox.  And when guns are super easy to get, these guys can explode.  That (insanely easy access to weapons) I think is the key ingredient to the America problem.  Though, (for whatever reason), I don't think that's the only ingredient.  I think there's something else going on with a lot of American young men that (for whatever reason) isn't going on in a lot of other western countries. Have no real clue what it is though. 

It just seems like in the last decade, there's been a lot of young men in the US eager to take others with them when they decide they want to kill themselves. Obviously removing guns (i.e. making them much harder to obtain) from that equation helps (and we should do it), but I don't think it totally solves that problem, which, imo is a relatively new phenomenon.

I don't think our young male population is any different than the rest of the world. and I agree with cire that a big piece of that anger is being stoked by media and their elders, but that's not unique here either imo. certainly have those far right replacement theory personalities in europe as well. there are radicalized hate forums/groups like this everywhere. ours have a VERY different ability to access mass casualty weapons with little to zero barriers though. almost encouraged to do so in a lot of places. agree on the draconian measures need to happen immediately though. won't be easy, but will be necessary.

this.  These guys are egging each other on by posting bed gun photos and bragging about their armor.  The fact that a guy who got booted out of the military because they didn't trust him with military weapons went and easily bought a military weapon should be a huge problem in anyone's eyes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 10:05:13 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
I don't see it getting better.  I think draconian gun control stuff would help a lot (and at this point, i'm firmly in the draconian gun control camp), but it's hard to ignore that there's a serious problem with young men in the US.  Just a lot of amoral rage that apparently enough people fantasize about and actually carry out.  Either "for the memes" (which I think is the root for most of these) or some dipshit cultural purpose (which I think a lot of the "for the memes" types latch onto because of shock value). 

Whatever it is, I do think that these weirdo online corners of the internet like 4chan that a lot of incels and otherwise perpetually online, lonely young men flock to are a tinderbox.  And when guns are super easy to get, these guys can explode.  That (insanely easy access to weapons) I think is the key ingredient to the America problem.  Though, (for whatever reason), I don't think that's the only ingredient.  I think there's something else going on with a lot of American young men that (for whatever reason) isn't going on in a lot of other western countries. Have no real clue what it is though. 

It just seems like in the last decade, there's been a lot of young men in the US eager to take others with them when they decide they want to kill themselves. Obviously removing guns (i.e. making them much harder to obtain) from that equation helps (and we should do it), but I don't think it totally solves that problem, which, imo is a relatively new phenomenon.

I don't think our young male population is any different than the rest of the world. and I agree with cire that a big piece of that anger is being stoked by media and their elders, but that's not unique here either imo. certainly have those far right replacement theory personalities in europe as well. there are radicalized hate forums/groups like this everywhere. ours have a VERY different ability to access mass casualty weapons with little to zero barriers though. almost encouraged to do so in a lot of places. agree on the draconian measures need to happen immediately though. won't be easy, but will be necessary.
yeah.  maybe it's as simple as "every country has an amoral, lonely, potentially violent subsection of young men, we just give ours incredibly easy access to killing machines."  that's a pretty good explanation, imo.  could be the only explanation needed.

it just strikes me as odd to think that "but for lack of access to AR-15s, UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia would have as many per capita mass killing incidents as the US." conversely, it strikes me as pretty idealistic to say "but for easy access to guns, we would have as many mass killing incidents as UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia."  that could be true. could be my American exceptionalism is showing.  it just seems to me that something has gotten a lot worse, especially in the US in the last 25 or 30 years, and especially especially in the last 5 years or so.  And i'm not sure it correlates neatly to any single thing (guns, politics/culture dialogue, internet).

(https://i.groupme.com/1069x668.jpeg.fca378c3d4d04db6820bce3ab55d37b0)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 09, 2023, 10:25:34 AM
it just strikes me as odd to think that "but for lack of access to AR-15s, UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia would have as many per capita mass killing incidents as the US." conversely, it strikes me as pretty idealistic to say "but for easy access to guns, we would have as many mass killing incidents as UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia."

why is that odd/idealistic?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 10:29:53 AM
it just strikes me as odd to think that "but for lack of access to AR-15s, UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia would have as many per capita mass killing incidents as the US." conversely, it strikes me as pretty idealistic to say "but for easy access to guns, we would have as many mass killing incidents as UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia."

why is that odd/idealistic?
i don't know.  it may not be.  it just seems like we have a lot more psychopaths willing to do violence per capita than other countries. 

I guess if you're that committed to "going out in a blaze of glory" (i hate using that phrase here, but I think it applies to the psychology of basically all of these people), you're going to figure out a way to do it, even if you can't get an AR-15.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 09, 2023, 10:52:38 AM
Look at the events that lead to the UK and New Zealand banning guns and I think it’s hard to argue that weirdos with capacity for violence is a USA specific phenomenon.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 09, 2023, 10:58:11 AM
  it just seems like we have a lot more psychopaths willing to do violence per capita than other countries. 

Hmm, could it be all the mass shootings that are clouding your perception?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 11:00:30 AM
Look at the events that lead to the UK and New Zealand banning guns and I think it’s hard to argue that weirdos with capacity for violence is a USA specific phenomenon.
Very interesting stuff (and oddly encouraging that the problem may be *that* easy to solve).

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-ban-hand-guns-laws-rules-ownership-b1070718.html

Go get the guns, uncle sam.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 11:01:21 AM
  it just seems like we have a lot more psychopaths willing to do violence per capita than other countries. 

Hmm, could it be all the mass shootings that are clouding your perception?

Well that and the things like the bus stop car crash that killed 8 people on Sunday.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 09, 2023, 11:26:03 AM
I think that banning high powered AR's etc, high capacity mags and any type of mod that makes a gun fire more rapidly is the start.

You're not going to go around looking for them but as people get arrested with them they get fewer etc.

Our Gun problem will take generations to fix and I doubt we have the fortitude as a nation to fix it because so many people have absolute brain worms on the issue.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 09, 2023, 12:43:37 PM
Some state (California?) just needs to ban all guns that are incompatible with the guns available in 1791 and just get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 09, 2023, 01:28:17 PM
You want to talk some crazy talk?  Maybe, if you buy body armor, or and AR, or something else, you don't get access to the internet. 

I am not saying this is what I think, but throwing out a crazy statement since our world doesn't like obvious solutions.

What if radical groups didn't have access to weak minds, even though the weak minds had access to guns?  What if weak minds didn't have extreme access to propaganda?

I am going to check my pocket Constitution real quick to see if we have any special Internet clause or amendments. 

If not that, Chris Rock has a great solution in making ammo ridic expensive.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2023, 01:59:41 PM
The Allen TX shooter idolized the Nashville shooter. 

I just need a clarification from #blueanongE as to what you classify as "radicalization".







Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 09, 2023, 02:04:12 PM
The Allen TX shooter idolized the Nashville shooter. 

I just need a clarification from #blueanongE as to what you classify as "radicalization".

Pathetic attempt.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2023, 02:05:41 PM
The Allen TX shooter idolized the Nashville shooter. 

I just need a clarification from #blueanongE as to what you classify as "radicalization".

Pathetic attempt.

That's not an answer.  You're absolutely pathetic because you know the answer, you just won't admit it it.

1000% #onbrand

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 09, 2023, 02:08:01 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about at all. If you want to talk about the Allen, TX shooter's beliefs, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2023, 02:10:50 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about at all. If you want to talk about the Allen, TX shooter's beliefs, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

The playing dumb shtick is old and tired
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 09, 2023, 02:16:47 PM
You want to talk some crazy talk?  Maybe, if you buy body armor, or and AR, or something else, you don't get access to the internet. 

I am not saying this is what I think, but throwing out a crazy statement since our world doesn't like obvious solutions.

What if radical groups didn't have access to weak minds, even though the weak minds had access to guns?  What if weak minds didn't have extreme access to propaganda?

I am going to check my pocket Constitution real quick to see if we have any special Internet clause or amendments. 

If not that, Chris Rock has a great solution in making ammo ridic expensive.

Just ban the AR-15 platform. It’s what basically every mass shooter uses because it’s highly effective at killing people at short/medium ranges.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 09, 2023, 02:30:54 PM
it just strikes me as odd to think that "but for lack of access to AR-15s, UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia would have as many per capita mass killing incidents as the US." conversely, it strikes me as pretty idealistic to say "but for easy access to guns, we would have as many mass killing incidents as UK/Australia/Germany/Scandinavia."

why is that odd/idealistic?

IMO there are a lot of things those places are doing better than us, not just gun control.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 09, 2023, 02:41:34 PM
Schools could probably head off some of these folks and intervene early, but we know how our culture views schools.  Magas are on a crusade to end all Social/Emotional Learning as it is Communist.

Kids don't listen to your groomer teachers ETC.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762

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Peterson: We don’t know for sure at this point, but our research would say that it’s likely. You had an 18-year-old commit a horrific mass shooting. His name is everywhere and we all spend days talking about “replacement theory.” That shooter was able to get our attention. So, if you have another 18-year-old who is on the edge and watching everything, that could be enough to embolden him to follow. We have seen this happen before.


Densley: Mass shooters study other mass shooters. They often find a way of relating to them, like, “There are other people out there who feel like me.”

POLITICO: Can you take us through the profile of mass shooters that emerged from your research?

Peterson: There’s this really consistent pathway. Early childhood trauma seems to be the foundation, whether violence in the home, sexual assault, parental suicides, extreme bullying. Then you see the build toward hopelessness, despair, isolation, self-loathing, oftentimes rejection from peers. That turns into a really identifiable crisis point where they’re acting differently. Sometimes they have previous suicide attempts.

 

What’s different from traditional suicide is that the self-hate turns against a group. They start asking themselves, “Whose fault is this?” Is it a racial group or women or a religious group, or is it my classmates? The hate turns outward. There’s also this quest for fame and notoriety.

POLITICO: You’ve written about how mass shootings are always acts of violent suicide. Do people realize this is what’s happening in mass shootings?

Peterson: I don’t think most people realize that these are suicides, in addition to homicides. Mass shooters design these to be their final acts. When you realize this, it completely flips the idea that someone with a gun on the scene is going to deter this. If anything, that’s an incentive for these individuals. They are going in to be killed.

It’s hard to focus on the suicide because these are horrific homicides. But it’s a critical piece because we know so much from the suicide prevention world that can translate here.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on May 09, 2023, 03:06:19 PM
You want to talk some crazy talk?  Maybe, if you buy body armor, or and AR, or something else, you don't get access to the internet. 

I am not saying this is what I think, but throwing out a crazy statement since our world doesn't like obvious solutions.

What if radical groups didn't have access to weak minds, even though the weak minds had access to guns?  What if weak minds didn't have extreme access to propaganda?

I am going to check my pocket Constitution real quick to see if we have any special Internet clause or amendments. 

If not that, Chris Rock has a great solution in making ammo ridic expensive.

Just ban the AR-15 platform. It’s what basically every mass shooter uses because it’s highly effective at killing people at short/medium ranges.

You and your obvious solutions.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 09, 2023, 03:08:58 PM
what does right wing death squad mean?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on May 09, 2023, 07:40:53 PM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

I'm interested to know where you read that, what media entity thought that was a relevant fact worth inserting. For the record, that's an outdoor mall, in Texas, stands to reason that there were probably more people legally carrying pieces on their person than people leaving them in their cars.

I wonder why things seem to be quite a bit worse this year.

I sure hope the trend of relaxed gun regulations is part of this conversation.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on May 09, 2023, 07:58:17 PM
gun free zone.  gotta be fair.

I'm interested to know where you read that, what media entity thought that was a relevant fact worth inserting. For the record, that's an outdoor mall, in Texas, stands to reason that there were probably more people legally carrying pieces on their person than people leaving them in their cars.

I wonder why things seem to be quite a bit worse this year.

I sure hope the trend of relaxed gun regulations is part of this conversation.
The gun free zone comment was tongue in cheek.  Though I did see a twitter post or something claiming it was a gun free zone.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 10, 2023, 05:29:13 AM
https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1655626460999155712?s=46&t=qihx_M5rao00w7e29gt7Rw


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Pete on May 10, 2023, 07:43:49 AM
I'm sure next year will be worse.
I don't see it getting better.  I think draconian gun control stuff would help a lot (and at this point, i'm firmly in the draconian gun control camp), but it's hard to ignore that there's a serious problem with young men in the US.  Just a lot of amoral rage that apparently enough people fantasize about and actually carry out.  Either "for the memes" (which I think is the root for most of these) or some dipshit cultural purpose (which I think a lot of the "for the memes" types latch onto because of shock value). 

Whatever it is, I do think that these weirdo online corners of the internet like 4chan that a lot of incels and otherwise perpetually online, lonely young men flock to are a tinderbox.  And when guns are super easy to get, these guys can explode.  That (insanely easy access to weapons) I think is the key ingredient to the America problem.  Though, (for whatever reason), I don't think that's the only ingredient.  I think there's something else going on with a lot of American young men that (for whatever reason) isn't going on in a lot of other western countries. Have no real clue what it is though. 

It just seems like in the last decade, there's been a lot of young men in the US eager to take others with them when they decide they want to kill themselves. Obviously removing guns (i.e. making them much harder to obtain) from that equation helps (and we should do it), but I don't think it totally solves that problem, which, imo is a relatively new phenomenon.
My respected conservative friend DQ12 has some excellent points here. Should cross post this in the seldom-trafficked thread about stuff all sides can agree upon.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 10, 2023, 10:12:48 AM
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/05/09/tracing-the-odnoklassniki-profile-of-the-texas-mall-shooter/ (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/05/09/tracing-the-odnoklassniki-profile-of-the-texas-mall-shooter/)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2023, 10:35:23 AM
KC based Bellingcrat troll finds stuff in places 99.99% of American's don't know exist.  But we wait months for information about other shootings, and the FBI closes out the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history with possibly the shortest and most milquetoast report of such an event FBI history.   :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 10, 2023, 10:39:32 AM
KC based Bellingcrat troll finds stuff in places 99.99% of American's don't know exist.  But we wait months for information about other shootings, and the FBI closes out the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history with possibly the shortest and most milquetoast report of such an event FBI history.   :thumbsup:

Common ground!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 10, 2023, 10:58:22 AM
KC based Bellingcrat troll finds stuff in places 99.99% of American's don't know exist.  But we wait months for information about other shootings, and the FBI closes out the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history with possibly the shortest and most milquetoast report of such an event FBI history.   :thumbsup:

so are you saying MAGA trolls need to be better at internet sleuthing?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 10, 2023, 11:00:39 AM
KC based Bellingcrat troll finds stuff in places 99.99% of American's don't know exist.  But we wait months for information about other shootings, and the FBI closes out the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history with possibly the shortest and most milquetoast report of such an event FBI history.   :thumbsup:

so are you saying MAGA trolls need to be better at internet sleuthing?

they need to be better at going to the gym and not living off of oreos but yes he is also saying they are olds who cannot use the webs
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 10, 2023, 11:59:07 AM
KC based Bellingcrat troll finds stuff in places 99.99% of American's don't know exist.  But we wait months for information about other shootings, and the FBI closes out the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history with possibly the shortest and most milquetoast report of such an event FBI history.   
Does this refer to Vegas? What's your theory on what's going on there?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on May 10, 2023, 12:03:29 PM
KC based Bellingcrat troll finds stuff in places 99.99% of American's don't know exist.  But we wait months for information about other shootings, and the FBI closes out the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history with possibly the shortest and most milquetoast report of such an event FBI history.   
Does this refer to Vegas? What's your theory on what's going on there?

My theory is the old Vegas guy didn't use the internet much. Suspicious!
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on May 10, 2023, 12:31:55 PM
I thought the vegas situation was a guy that had fancied himself a professional gambler but was losing his nest egg and was disgruntled by being denied high roller perks
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2023, 02:35:21 PM
If the recent #blueanongE/#blueanon narrative is to be believed, which weirdly but not surprisingly tends to cherry pick select events.  Someone needs to alert Merrick Garland that he needs to change our greatest threat to Hispanic White Supremacists.  I digress

Relative to Vegas shooter, my theory is that I tend to want something beyond a superficial final report on the largest mass shooting (to date) in U.S. history.  What are the political connections of the then owner of Mandalay Bay, MGM?  Did their settlement with victims and/or time limit or prevent any further litigation?

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on May 10, 2023, 02:38:12 PM
If the recent #blueanongE/#blueanon narrative is to be believed, which weirdly but not surprisingly tends to cherry pick select events.  Someone needs to alert Merrick Garland that he needs to change our greatest threat to Hispanic White Supremacists.  I digress

Relative to Vegas shooter, my theory is that I tend to want something beyond a superficial final report on the largest mass shooting (to date) in U.S. history.  What are the political connections of the then owner of Mandalay Bay, MGM?  Did their settlement with victims and/or time limit or prevent any further litigation?



What are we thinking on Vegas Dax, inside job? Psyops?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 10, 2023, 03:02:25 PM
If the recent #blueanongE/#blueanon narrative is to be believed, which weirdly but not surprisingly tends to cherry pick select events.  Someone needs to alert Merrick Garland that he needs to change our greatest threat to Hispanic White Supremacists.  I digress

Relative to Vegas shooter, my theory is that I tend to want something beyond a superficial final report on the largest mass shooting (to date) in U.S. history.  What are the political connections of the then owner of Mandalay Bay, MGM?  Did their settlement with victims and/or time limit or prevent any further litigation?

wait.  the political connections of casino conglomo that owned the mandalay had a role in the shooting?  How about heir insurance companies/  in on it too?

Did they settle to prevent further litigation?  Did you really ask this question?  you know so little about the legal system I am scared for you to even try to operate in a normal society.  Are you legit this dumb?

This is so maga
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on May 19, 2023, 08:52:37 AM
https://twitter.com/tollytaylor/status/1659271827879804928?s=46&t=odWzhuZU7P443NcVwlC1iQ


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 19, 2023, 08:55:52 AM
this feels like an infringement...
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 19, 2023, 08:59:40 AM
The most surprising thing about this is that the cops haven't shown up and killed that guy.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 19, 2023, 09:57:39 AM
A real pickle for #blueanon/#blueanongE

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 19, 2023, 11:09:06 AM
Looks like a fed posing as a maga
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on May 19, 2023, 11:26:38 AM
Peggy Po: He appears to be practicing excellent muzzle control
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 19, 2023, 11:30:23 AM
Looks like a fed posing as a maga
at first I thought he was an anti-gun protestor. like we need the black panthers to show up at the texas statehouse with AR15's like the good old days. Or maybe outside of schools in MAGA neighborhoods - that's how change happens
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 19, 2023, 07:17:34 PM
Looks like a fed posing as a maga
at first I thought he was an anti-gun protestor. like we need the black panthers to show up at the texas statehouse with AR15's like the good old days. Or maybe outside of schools in MAGA neighborhoods - that's how change happens

 :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)

Yep, that's how it changes... :lol: (ftp://:lol:)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on May 19, 2023, 07:46:37 PM
Looks like a fed posing as a maga
at first I thought he was an anti-gun protestor. like we need the black panthers to show up at the texas statehouse with AR15's like the good old days. Or maybe outside of schools in MAGA neighborhoods - that's how change happens
That would definitely change some black panthers life expectancy.


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: michigancat on May 19, 2023, 07:49:39 PM
Looks like a fed posing as a maga
at first I thought he was an anti-gun protestor. like we need the black panthers to show up at the texas statehouse with AR15's like the good old days. Or maybe outside of schools in MAGA neighborhoods - that's how change happens

 ] (ftp://[emoji38)

Yep, that's how it changes...] (ftp://[emoji38)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 13, 2023, 07:36:56 AM
https://twitter.com/CelesteHeadlee/status/1690083285630611456?t=02xMrMdjBOwRwMxMNPWf7A&s=19
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on August 13, 2023, 09:24:28 AM
They’re not paying that attorney enough to spout that nonsense.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on August 13, 2023, 10:22:48 PM
I mean he’s got a point. Until we as a country decide we need to do more than fuckall about gun violence, then working in a school is going to be, statistically speaking, a job where you are more likely to encounter gun violence than any other non-law enforcement professions
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 14, 2023, 08:45:51 AM
I mean he’s got a point. Until we as a country decide we need to do more than fuckall about gun violence, then working in a school is going to be, statistically speaking, a job where you are more likely to encounter gun violence than any other non-law enforcement professions

Cops and Firemen are both 20yrs and out with pensions.  Not teachers. Cops and Firemen get paid overtime. 

Money isn't everything, but now that the secret has slipped, perhaps teachers should be paid a eff ton more and get to retire after 20 years of serving their community in a hazardous environment. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: catastrophe on August 14, 2023, 08:57:18 AM
I mean he’s got a point. Until we as a country decide we need to do more than fuckall about gun violence, then working in a school is going to be, statistically speaking, a job where you are more likely to encounter gun violence than any other non-law enforcement professions

Cops and Firemen are both 20yrs and out with pensions.  Not teachers. Cops and Firemen get paid overtime. 

Money isn't everything, but now that the secret has slipped, perhaps teachers should be paid a eff ton more and get to retire after 20 years of serving their community in a hazardous environment.
We should absolutely be looking into this imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 14, 2023, 09:27:37 AM
I mean he’s got a point. Until we as a country decide we need to do more than fuckall about gun violence, then working in a school is going to be, statistically speaking, a job where you are more likely to encounter gun violence than any other non-law enforcement professions

Cops and Firemen are both 20yrs and out with pensions.  Not teachers. Cops and Firemen get paid overtime. 

Money isn't everything, but now that the secret has slipped, perhaps teachers should be paid a eff ton more and get to retire after 20 years of serving their community in a hazardous environment. 

Who decides teachers pay and where does the funding come from?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on August 14, 2023, 12:18:21 PM
I mean he’s got a point. Until we as a country decide we need to do more than fuckall about gun violence, then working in a school is going to be, statistically speaking, a job where you are more likely to encounter gun violence than any other non-law enforcement professions

Cops and Firemen are both 20yrs and out with pensions.  Not teachers. Cops and Firemen get paid overtime. 

Money isn't everything, but now that the secret has slipped, perhaps teachers should be paid a eff ton more and get to retire after 20 years of serving their community in a hazardous environment. 

Who decides teachers pay and where does the funding come from?

Not a civics professor here but i'm p sure it comes from the same pot of money that pays cops and firemen. cops probably have better unions tho
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on August 14, 2023, 12:22:46 PM
https://twitter.com/CelesteHeadlee/status/1690083285630611456?t=02xMrMdjBOwRwMxMNPWf7A&s=19

What a terrible state of affairs to call getting shot in school part of the hazard. FFS
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 14, 2023, 12:33:27 PM
https://twitter.com/CelesteHeadlee/status/1690083285630611456?t=02xMrMdjBOwRwMxMNPWf7A&s=19

What a terrible state of affairs to call getting shot in school part of the hazard. FFS
x-post we are an immoral nation thread
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: passranch on August 14, 2023, 02:55:57 PM
What color stripe do teachers get in the "thin x line" flag bumper stickers?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 14, 2023, 05:09:09 PM


I am pretty sure most of the colors are taken. Flooded market.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 15, 2023, 07:17:44 AM
Thin x line folks hate teachers / education
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on August 15, 2023, 07:46:21 AM
Thin x line folks hate teachers / education

Well if they weren’t all a bunch of groomers ripping the genitals off their students with impunity then maybe things would be different
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 15, 2023, 08:46:46 AM
Thin x line folks hate teachers / education

I think all the Thin X'ers hate each other, for the most part.  When you are having a good old fashioned Victim Off, usually victims aren't championing other victims. 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 28, 2023, 12:57:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Craigipedia/status/1696152804186894359?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on August 29, 2023, 01:51:22 PM
FOLKS

https://twitter.com/peggykusinski/status/1696575221082321361
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on August 29, 2023, 02:06:39 PM
hoo doggy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 29, 2023, 02:47:32 PM
Damn. Now that the #ack is public, plenty of bubbas are going to be able to get their guns onto planes.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 29, 2023, 02:58:54 PM
:sdeek:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on August 29, 2023, 05:27:49 PM
That's incredible, and :barf:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2023, 05:54:04 PM
I'm not a scientist but I'm pretty sure fat rolls don't hide metal.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: nicname on August 29, 2023, 06:20:49 PM
FOLKS

https://twitter.com/peggykusinski/status/1696575221082321361

Very similar incident occurred at an Augusta HS graduation several years ago. 2016 or 2017 I think

Edit: no fat-roll hiding afaik
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on August 29, 2023, 06:23:40 PM
I'm not a scientist but I'm pretty sure fat rolls don't hide metal.

I wouldn't think so. I think they need to inspect that machine, asap.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2023, 06:30:29 PM
I'm not a scientist but I'm pretty sure fat rolls don't hide metal.

I wouldn't think so. I think they need to inspect that machine, asap.

 It's certainly a better spin than " our operators are incompetent" or "we haven't invested any money on proper screening equipment"
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 30, 2023, 08:25:48 AM
Front page of this morning's  Daily Tar Heel:

https://twitter.com/caitlyn_yaede/status/1696678904683970574?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 30, 2023, 09:14:07 AM
I'm not a scientist but I'm pretty sure fat rolls don't hide metal.

I wouldn't think so. I think they need to inspect that machine, asap.

As someone who has snuck over a million beers in cans into the K, I can tell you the machines do not pick up aluminum.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on August 30, 2023, 09:50:04 AM
yeah the retired kindergarten teacher running the metal detector is not going to ask the obese lady to lift up her shirt when she says she has a metal replacement hip
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on August 30, 2023, 09:55:37 AM
It's almost like the solution we are implementing might not be the best solution.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: passranch on August 30, 2023, 02:27:30 PM
It's almost like the solution we are implementing might not be the best solution.

Thoughts and prayers?  Probably just need to give it some time.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on August 30, 2023, 03:18:12 PM
Front page of this morning's  Daily Tar Heel:

https://twitter.com/caitlyn_yaede/status/1696678904683970574?s=20

Damn :cry:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2023, 08:27:36 PM
Allegedly already 22 confirmed dead

https://rwitter.com/business/status/1717346554179162367


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2023, 08:29:04 PM
Allegedly already 22 confirmed dead

https://rwitter.com/business/status/1717346554179162367


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https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1717351368296468912


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2023, 08:29:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1717352509650407663


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 25, 2023, 08:44:55 PM
STFU, Newt. People in Maine be packin'. Some of the laxest gun laws in the country.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 25, 2023, 08:47:49 PM
Permitless conceal carry, for example.  This man knows nothing about Mainers.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 25, 2023, 08:49:51 PM
Also Steven, you might want to edit your rwitter posts, as clicking on that gives you internet aids.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2023, 08:54:38 PM
Do we have a solution here from the leaders of the right?

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1717357273993867639


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 25, 2023, 09:52:59 PM
Answer is definitely more guns, that'll fix it this time
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 25, 2023, 10:07:39 PM
i'm not sure which well regulated militia that gentleman is a member of, but from what i can tell he exercised the Rights afforded to him under the Second Amendment of the Constituion of the United States of America
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2023, 10:36:47 PM
Shall not be infringed
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2023, 11:04:22 PM
Dax, just hold the course?


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 25, 2023, 11:08:09 PM
gotta let him calibrate
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 25, 2023, 11:24:49 PM
gotta let him calibrate

goincel talking points have not figured out AI yet.  they olds
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 26, 2023, 03:41:07 AM
When they insist that this is a mental health issue, we should agree then ask when are they going to do anything about that. They're already using the phrase "mental health crisis" while simultaneously blocking increased access to affordable health care.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 06:32:05 AM
I (a strong advocate of tighter gun control) would love to see a breakdown of those mental health bills.  If if they were riddled with the usual litany of tack ons and earmarks that have nothing to do with mental health access or health at all, then shame on #blueanon.  If they were straight line single lane bills targeting actual mental health issues, and not doing things like creating open season for #blueanon to sex up the kids and or change the gender of 6 year olds etc. etc.  Then shame on Pubs

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 26, 2023, 08:59:13 AM
when the good guy with a gun turns into a very bad guy with a gun
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 26, 2023, 09:16:03 AM
It's almost like the solution we are implementing might not be the best solution.
1. Guns are not the problem.
2. We need more people to be armed to protect us from Badguys With Guns.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2023, 10:43:31 AM
I (a strong advocate of tighter gun control) would love to see a breakdown of those mental health bills.  If if they were riddled with the usual litany of tack ons and earmarks that have nothing to do with mental health access or health at all, then shame on #blueanon.  If they were straight line single lane bills targeting actual mental health issues, and not doing things like creating open season for #blueanon to sex up the kids and or change the gender of 6 year olds etc. etc.  Then shame on Pubs
Dax, have you considered adding these to your quiver?

https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1717564759158239331


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DQ12 on October 26, 2023, 11:01:50 AM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.  I'm not sure what Johnson's point is -- even if we take his suggestion as true, what, we should legislate out no-fault divorce as a way to fix the shootings?  Absurd.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2023, 11:33:11 AM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.  I'm not sure what Johnson's point is -- even if we take his suggestion as true, what, we should legislate out no-fault divorce as a way to fix the shootings?  Absurd.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.

Just came across this tweet yesterday

https://twitter.com/ClistonBrown/status/1716989780532375949?s=20
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2023, 11:38:32 AM
That tweet has strong "liberals want to ban cheeseburgers and turn your children gay!" energy
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 26, 2023, 11:50:45 AM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.

every other developed western nation has experienced the same cultural changes and we're the only one with this problem.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.

yes
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 26, 2023, 11:51:18 AM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.  I'm not sure what Johnson's point is -- even if we take his suggestion as true, what, we should legislate out no-fault divorce as a way to fix the shootings?  Absurd.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.

When you can draw a straight line between “availability of automatic rifles to anyone who wants one” and “incidents of mass shootings” I’m not sure phenomenon is the right word
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2023, 12:26:08 PM
https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1717591561326703029?s=20

elon cross post
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 26, 2023, 12:38:21 PM
that is a who is who of gI
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: CNS on October 26, 2023, 02:27:53 PM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.  I'm not sure what Johnson's point is -- even if we take his suggestion as true, what, we should legislate out no-fault divorce as a way to fix the shootings?  Absurd.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.

When you can draw a straight line between “availability of automatic rifles to anyone who wants one” and “incidents of mass shootings” I’m not sure phenomenon is the right word

Correct.  We are never going to resolve humans choosing violence.  Not sure we should try.  However, a wildly simple solution exists.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 03:25:50 PM
#blueanon/#blueanongE - consistently clamoring for the lowest hanging fruit and the derpiest of derp brained explanations for why people do what they do

#anythingtoadvancemypoliticalagenda

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 26, 2023, 03:30:24 PM
We should go after the low-hanging fruit first and then get a ladder or something and figure out how to deal with the high-hanging fruit, imo.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
The lowest hanging fruit is using derptitude and manipulating simple brained people to advance a political agenda. 

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 26, 2023, 04:47:27 PM
We should go after the low-hanging fruit first and then get a ladder or something and figure out how to deal with the high-hanging fruit, imo.
sure, the low hanging fruit may lessen the whole slaughter of innocents on a daily basis but you would know it was the low hanging fruit.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2023, 05:22:16 PM
catturd2 with another shoutout
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 26, 2023, 05:38:04 PM
We should go after the low-hanging fruit first and then get a ladder or something and figure out how to deal with the high-hanging fruit, imo.
sure, the low hanging fruit may lessen the whole slaughter of innocents on a daily basis but you would know it was the low hanging fruit.

You're right, that's not very sporting. Especially when you're hunting The Most Dangerous Game.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2023, 06:25:55 PM
dax, in your mind what does "low hanging fruit" mean?

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 26, 2023, 07:47:02 PM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.  I'm not sure what Johnson's point is -- even if we take his suggestion as true, what, we should legislate out no-fault divorce as a way to fix the shootings?  Absurd.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.

When you can draw a straight line between “availability of automatic rifles to anyone who wants one” and “incidents of mass shootings” I’m not sure phenomenon is the right word

The most efficient killing machine available to the average person in the entirety of history can be had for like $600. It's definitely not that though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 26, 2023, 08:06:53 PM
I definitely think cultural aspects have contributed to some of the underlying causes of the mass shooting phenomenon.  I don't think no-fault divorce and evolution are the main boogeyman, but I do think it's worth considering the underlying root causes of these freaks' rampages -- though curing broad, cultural trends (e.g. divorce/secularization/social media radicalization, whatever) are basically impossible ways to solve this problem, imo.  I'm not sure what Johnson's point is -- even if we take his suggestion as true, what, we should legislate out no-fault divorce as a way to fix the shootings?  Absurd.

The much more obvious problem with a much easier solution (though likely imperfect/incomplete) is the guns, imo.

When you can draw a straight line between “availability of automatic rifles to anyone who wants one” and “incidents of mass shootings” I’m not sure phenomenon is the right word

The most efficient killing machine available to the average person in the entirety of history can be had for like $600. It's definitely not that though.

It’s probably those damn workers unions
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 08:32:06 PM
dax, in your mind what does "low hanging fruit" mean?

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The simplest derp ass explanation that advances the #blueanon narrative.

Ooo, let’s check his follows on Twitter . . . #blueanon

Oh, but yeah see, those got damn pubs keep voting against mental health, ya see.

What was in the bill?  . . . Those got damn pubs keep voting against mental health (as we define it), ya see
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 26, 2023, 08:32:59 PM
His Twitter activity is a parade of incel losers
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 08:34:50 PM
Reports: Schizophrenic in multi generational #blueanon state that was known to police

Must have been Twitter follows and lack of access to mental healthcare. . . #blueanongE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2023, 08:40:37 PM
His Twitter activity is a parade of incel losers

it's a parade of people dax posts on here
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 08:42:38 PM
#blueanongE: We tend to completely skip over and ignore certain mass shooting suspects (and we even tried to pin the Paul Pelosi attack on MAGA . , . because we’re giant derps).   
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 26, 2023, 08:45:47 PM
The pivot from gun violence to Paul pelosi in less than 6 moves is known in the incel community as the Queen’s Gambit
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 08:46:32 PM
#blueanon/#blueanongE:  We pretty much don’t GAF about mass shooting or crime in general . . . Unless it’s an opportunity to advance our agenda


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 08:46:59 PM
The pivot from gun violence to Paul pelosi in less than 6 moves is known in the incel community as the Queen’s Gambit
An amazing derp who never ever gets it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 26, 2023, 08:49:32 PM
Low hanging fruit..   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:). My lord.  Could someone put together a pyramid of this please?  Start with the low hanging fruit (i.e. maga's that taz themselves)  and go from there.   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 26, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
The pivot from gun violence to Paul pelosi in less than 6 moves is known in the incel community as the Queen’s Gambit

 :lol:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 08:58:50 PM
These () confuse people like DuhBigStalker and BAC, and the relevance and relationship factor is utterly lost on these two colossal derps
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
#blueanon/#blueanongE - consistently clamoring for the lowest hanging fruit and the derpiest of derp brained explanations for why people do what they do

#anythingtoadvancemypoliticalagenda
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Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:03:21 PM
#blueanon/#blueanongE - consistently clamoring for the lowest hanging fruit and the derpiest of derp brained explanations for why people do what they do

#anythingtoadvancemypoliticalagenda
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Imagine living in  a world where the explanation for why people do what they do is based solely on the political views of that person and their Twitter follows.

The world of SteveDave and #blueanongE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2023, 09:03:33 PM
Low hanging fruit..   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:). My lord.  Could someone put together a pyramid of this please?  Start with the low hanging fruit (i.e. maga's that taz themselves)  and go from there.   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:05:54 PM
#blueanongE and SteveDave: Picking and choosing the mass shootings that really matter
 
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2023, 09:06:26 PM
Low hanging fruit is something that is an easily identifiable/solvable solution you morons. Like banning assault rifles and a shitload of other gun regulations.

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:08:36 PM
If we ban certain guns, no one will want to kill anyone anymore. . . SteveDave

#blueanon: Some mass shootings matter but most we don’t GAF about
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 26, 2023, 09:10:01 PM
Low hanging fruit..   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:). My lord.  Could someone put together a pyramid of this please?  Start with the low hanging fruit (i.e. maga's that taz themselves)  and go from there.   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)

It’s Taze bro, please don’t disrespect the brand
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:11:42 PM
#gurglin slowdug: Taz, MAGA, Incel

All day, every day
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 26, 2023, 09:16:50 PM
#gurglin slowdug: Taz, MAGA, Incel

All day, every day

Inside joke gramps.  You wouldn’t get it
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:20:19 PM
BlueanongE: Where it’s always 5th grade
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 26, 2023, 09:22:19 PM
Dax: I support a bunch of gun reforms.

gE: Good, let's pluck that low-hanging fruit and then get to work on the rest.

Dax: *some weird 4chan rambling??*
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 26, 2023, 09:24:02 PM
BlueanongE: Where it’s always 5th grade

Daxistan: where is always Prager University
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:25:47 PM
#blogkaren:  Dax is for gun reform, but before we get to that let’s lock-in on Twitter follows and what we think the political motivations behind our (highly) selective scenario is all about
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:26:37 PM
BlueanongE: Where it’s always 5th grade

Daxistan: where is always Prager University
I’ll have to defer to someone who pays attention to that


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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 26, 2023, 09:28:27 PM
Paul Pelosi is def a more important thing right now.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Trim on October 26, 2023, 09:28:48 PM
If we ban certain guns, no one will want to kill anyone anymore. . . SteveDave

#blueanon: Some mass shootings matter but most we don’t GAF about

Back to the drafting desk for sd as he tries to put together a solution that prevents not just all killing, but all desire to kill.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2023, 09:29:56 PM
why do maga guys keep going on shooting sprees while in a mental health episode?
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:30:28 PM
Trim:  it’s really about all killing but my buds only focus on a few, and that’s only when they believe certain politics are involved

#trimdorkin
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2023, 09:31:43 PM
dax just had one like 2 weeks ago and i'd be lying if i said i wasn't nervous that he would do the same thing
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:32:02 PM
Paul Pelosi is def a more important thing right now.
Dude who has total meltdowns because it’s warm in the summer
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:33:02 PM
Oh goodness: It’s late night mode with #stalkerbot

9:32 and high AF
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 26, 2023, 09:35:06 PM
Low hanging fruit is something that is an easily identifiable/solvable solution you morons. Like banning assault rifles and a shitload of other gun regulations.

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Thank you for the clarification.  It's all been incredibly logical to this point. I would still like a pyramid of guns banned first (regulations) and last now please.  tia
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 26, 2023, 09:37:16 PM
Goodness, doesn’t even know what time it is :sdeek:

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Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 26, 2023, 09:37:52 PM
BlueanongE: Where it’s always 5th grade

Daxistan: where is always Prager University

BAC: The person who thinks Jews are perpetual victims..   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:). Your input on gun laws is truly invaluable.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:38:41 PM
This is just embarrassing.

Mods: Please set the  rage quit part 2 clock 1 minute closer to midnight.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2023, 09:48:10 PM
Subaru driving white dude in the whitest #blueanon stronghold in the lower 48 who was institutionalized and known to law enforcement

“Gotta be MAGA” . . . #blueanongE

“Check those Twitter follows!!” #blueanongE
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: mocat on October 26, 2023, 09:51:02 PM
Low hanging fruit..   ] (ftp://[emoji38). My lord.  Could someone put together a pyramid of this please?  Start with the low hanging fruit (i.e. maga's that taz themselves)  and go from there.   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)
This is wacky level
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 26, 2023, 09:56:05 PM
Low hanging fruit..   ] (ftp://[emoji38). My lord.  Could someone put together a pyramid of this please?  Start with the low hanging fruit (i.e. maga's that taz themselves)  and go from there.   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)
This is wacky level

Should I worry about getting banned?   :ohno: :runaway: :ohno: (ftp://:ohno: :runaway: :ohno:)

Maybe you could put a snobrag chart together for me on this low hanging fruit conundrum?   :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2023, 08:05:10 AM
Subaru driving white dude in the whitest #blueanon stronghold in the lower 48 who was institutionalized and known to law enforcement

“Gotta be MAGA” . . . #blueanongE

“Check those Twitter follows!!” #blueanongE

To be fair he was maga af
Title: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2023, 09:14:45 AM
Uh huh

#blueanongE:  Occasionally giving AF about crime and mass shootings if they see a political opportunity
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2023, 09:36:35 AM
Uh huh

#blueanongE:  Occasionally giving AF about crime and mass shootings if they see a political opportunity

I am not sure anyone needs a shooting to make magas look like little dick psychos.
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2023, 10:00:29 AM
I just appreciate the fact that #slowduggin and #blueanongE pretty much only rage out in this thread if they're being told that a MAGA did something bad.

Otherwise, pretty much crickets

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2023, 10:25:33 AM
I just appreciate the fact that #slowduggin and #blueanongE pretty much only rage out in this thread if they're being told that a MAGA did something bad.

Otherwise, pretty much crickets

making my point
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 27, 2023, 10:26:34 AM
 :lol: :lol:

#slowduggin

Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2023, 05:53:34 PM
#blueanon declared MAGA shooter:  We know his/her entire history before the bodies are cold and the suvivors are all at the hospital

#bluanon protected class shooter:  Disappear the story, mislabel the ethnicity, hide the manifesto, search to the bitter end for anything that may be conservative or MAGA to blame



Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 09, 2023, 10:16:26 PM
The only problem I have with school shootings is if someone goes in there and kills all those kids how am I supposed to diddle them and/or mutilate their genitals???
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 09, 2023, 10:56:49 PM
It's sad when BAC thinks he's funny  :frown:
Title: Re: Another school shooting
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 14, 2023, 12:21:38 PM
https://twitter.com/GabbyGiffords/status/1735311352120463758?s=20