Another school shooting

[EMAWmeister]

I hate people hyping the "assault weapons ban" like it was some kind of meaningful gun control legislation. All it did was ban the manufacture and sale of new arbitrarily defined "assault weapons". You could still freely buy and sell and own the existing "assault" products. It did nothing to get "assault weapons" off the street, just raised some prices.

All laws and legislation leave loop holes for people willing to break and bend the law.  I hate the cliche, but what does punishing law abiding citizens accomplish?

Sorry, but the crazy psychopaths that murder tens upon tens of children, mallgoers, moviegoers etc. have kinda ruined the fun for the Ted Nugents of the world who want to go shoot targets on their farm from like a mile away.

And maybe it's just me, but I feel like there are infinitely more causes to depression/illness/etc than there are ways of mass murder.  Seems to me like taking away the methods of mass killing would kinda cover all the bases in regards to mental illness.

[sys]

and nowhere did I say that the vehicle idea was a bad one.

i prolly just assumed you failed to consider it since your response was "don't do that. obviously vehicles have another purpose other than killing something or "providing joy". you are a better and smarter poster than this." aka. "that's a dumbfuck argument".

at some point reacting to things that consistently kill people is ok and productive. and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that (< condescending Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!))

you're wrong to assume that.  it would appear that you and i place fundamentally different values on both human life and human liberties.  (i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that in order to wipe death from the face of the earth, people's liberties will be sacrificed).

[puniraptor]

Does steve dave run kim english's twitter account?

[_33]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

[steve dave]

at some point reacting to things that consistently kill people is ok and productive. and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that (< condescending Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!))

you're wrong to assume that.  it would appear that you and i place fundamentally different values on both human life and human liberties.  (i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that in order to wipe death from the face of the earth, people's liberties will be sacrificed).

and I think this is probably the root of our argument

[EMAWmeister]

No one needs a rough ridin' hand gun


Gun manufacturers should go the way of big tobacco

When the home invaders come through your door, get back to me on that.

1) T's & P's on being so afraid of the world
2) according to gun nuts, a knife will do just as well, keep that in your nightstand.

1) T&P for your family whose lives you apparently don't value
2) thanks for making my point

Well like, live in a better neighborhood then.

[Bloodfart]

Uh oh looks like we got us an oldfashion gunoff. 

[EMAWmeister]

re-merge the threads SD 

[steve dave]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

[HeinBallz]

  Seems to me like taking away the methods of mass killing would kinda cover all the bases in regards to mental illness.

How many times does this need a response?  Mass killings are generally  premeditated - they can be planned and prepared for.  Guns can be purchased on the black market. Other weapons can be found/used. You cannot take them away.  The culture of violence is the only addressable issue that could have an impact on situations like this morning.

[steve dave]

You cannot take them away

the eff you can't

[steve dave]

question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

[HeinBallz]

I'm not going to lower my arguments to " 'e eff you can't" anymore.  This is the longest thread of dumb I've ever seen.  Good night.

[EMAWmeister]

  Seems to me like taking away the methods of mass killing would kinda cover all the bases in regards to mental illness.

How many times does this need a response?  Mass killings are generally  premeditated - they can be planned and prepared for.  Guns can be purchased on the black market. Other weapons can be found/used. You cannot take them away.  The culture of violence is the only addressable issue that could have an impact on situations like this morning.

NVM. I'm no longer for banning guns as long as we steamroll and ban all of the Marilyn Manson and Eminem cds.

[_33]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

[steve dave]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

[steve dave]

question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

I'll go first to break the ice

best:
guy from my town killed a deer with big horns
I shot 16 straight clay pigeons with a .410 shotgun in 8th grade

worst:
friend accidentally shot his foot off, complete dumbass
uncle shot himself in the head
guy in my HS class held up a convenience store with one

[puniraptor]

question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

best: hunted animals, shot targets for sport and fun.

worst: guy i work with was in a hunting party that took a bad shot and killed a guy they knew (small town) on the other side of the ridge sitting in his truck.

worst: classmate in 7th rough ridin' grade killed himself with a shotgun.

[_33]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

Oh then yeah that's what I was saying, legislation limiting access to guns won't limit access to guns.

[steve dave]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

Oh then yeah that's what I was saying, legislation limiting access to guns won't limit access to guns.

depends on how intensive the legislation is imo

[Bloodfart]

question:

what's the best thing anyone you have ever had even casual friendship done with a gun? what is the worst? you can list multiple.

Police bro and police uncle have not had to use their guns ever.  One time my bro ran down a drug dealer and his gun became more of a hinderance than helpful.  When he caught the perp he resisted arest and they got in a wrestling match.  The guy was trying to use my bro's own gun against him.  All my bro could do was put both his hands over his holster to prevent the guy from pulling it out.  Meanwhile the guy was pounding on him and just beating the crap out of him in general.  Finally bro's partner shows up to help get the situ under control.  Tasers on the other hand have been used very effectively.

[_33]

What fairy tale world are you guys living in that you think banning guns will get rid of guns?

nobody has said that. outlawing anything never got rid of anything. strawman.

Oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about then.

we are talking about the guy that killed all those kids and how he got the guns and how to limit the access to guns or not

Oh then yeah that's what I was saying, legislation limiting access to guns won't limit access to guns.

depends on how intensive the legislation is imo

Agree to disagree. I hate debating things and I respect your opinion. Bye.

[EMAWmeister]

Oh look. Double murder/suicide in vegas.

[puniraptor]

I think we need to train empathy in kids and when they reach a certain age they are tested for functioning empathy and if they dont have then deport them permanently to australia.

[sys]

Agree to disagree. I hate debating things and I respect your opinion. Bye.

wow.  33, you are a model of efficiency.