Another school shooting

[steve dave]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

If you are talking about me:

1. I am not a crazy gun guy. I am fine to have something added to our society that will help prevent gun violence.  However, I feel like most of what has been discussed is unreasonable to implement.

2. I wouldn't be mentioning charging ppl with crimes if it hadn't been mentioned as a suggestion by others.

I'm talking about multiple people in this thread.

[CNS]

If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff

Or maybe we could just make it illegal for negligent gun owners to purchase or own guns.

OK.  What makes them negligent before owning a gun that they could pass to a person that could do harm?  Hypothetically negligent?  Are we only talking about ppl that have shown past actual negligence in loaning out guns all willy nilly?  I mean, I am fully on board with those couple thousand ppl not having guns.

[Emo EMAW]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

[steve dave]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

[michigancat]

  Are we only talking about ppl that have shown past actual negligence in loaning out guns all willy nilly?  I mean, I am fully on board with those couple thousand ppl not having guns.

Yes, this is who we're talking about, with possible worse consequences depending on the ultimate crime and whether the original owner was simply negligent or actively selling firearms to people who use them to commit crimes. And I think a registry is a great first step to finding negligent (and worse) owners and encouraging gun owners to be a little more careful.

[Emo EMAW]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

[steve dave]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

[Tobias]

what was the NY problem again?  that not everyone is self-registering as required by law?

[Emo EMAW]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   

[CNS]

  Are we only talking about ppl that have shown past actual negligence in loaning out guns all willy nilly?  I mean, I am fully on board with those couple thousand ppl not having guns.

Yes, this is who we're talking about, with possible worse consequences depending on the ultimate crime and whether the original owner was simply negligent or actively selling firearms to people who use them to commit crimes. And I think a registry is a great first step to finding negligent (and worse) owners and encouraging gun owners to be a little more careful.

Yeah, am fine with this.  Is this actually going to prevent anything though?  I mean, do many of the ppl that owned the guns that were used in the last year's worth of school shootings have a past instance of negligently loaning out firearms prior to those school shootings?   I am fine with them no longer having the right to own guns afterward, but again, what does that prevent if the person in their life that would carry out such an act also killed themselves during the act?

[michigancat]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

There is a historical precedent here; that's where most of it comes from. 

Anyway, like I said, NY has a problem on their hands.  You never added what you thought about that issue.  Just crap that adds nothing to the discussion.

My posting in this and every other thread adds tons to discussions crap head. I think NY is on the right track but it shouldn't be up to a state to do that. It should be done on the federal level. and there should be defined consequences (possibilities are fines, inability to purchase other guns, confiscation of unregistered guns, etc.) for doing so. the federal gov. has an entire branch with firearms in its name that could be responsible for this. NY doesn't have anything like that to enforce their law.

What should NY do to the people that didn't register their guns?

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   

When they refused to register their firearms (as required by law) they stopped being law-abiding citizens.

[Tobias]

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   

well, formerly law-abiding

[star seed 7]

If you lower the speed limit, you can't go the old limit and claim to be law abiding, jfc emo

[steve dave]

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

[steve dave]

you could tell when he started his post with "And folks" he thought he was case close'ing this thing

[Benja]

I think you should be able to have guns unless you say something like "They'll never take my guns!" Then I think we should come take your guns.

[steve dave]

I think you should be able to have guns unless you say something like "They'll never take my guns!" Then I think we should come take your guns.

yes, agree here

[CNS]

I think you should be able to have guns unless you say something like "They'll never take my guns!" Then I think we should come take your guns.

I could get behind this.

[Emo EMAW]

You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf. 

[steve dave]

You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf.

yes, if you break gun laws that should be an option, just like felons not being allowed to have guns. the barrier your brain (and other gun people's) has put up to thinking about this topic logically is astounding.

[nicname]

And folks, here's how you get from law-abiding gun-owning citizen to criminal faced with confiscation of personal property.   

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

I'm guessing the thinking is that by registering that the gov has a ready-made list of names and addresses of the people with guns. So whenever the time came they could easily ride in and take the people's guns away from them. I'm also guessing that by having firearms registered, the thought is owners would keep better tabs on their guns, because if a crime was committed with their gun then they would be liable.

There is probably some truth to both of these. The only thing I vehemently disagree with is the thought that any of these things should begin at a federal level.

[steve dave]

the thought is owners would keep better tabs on their guns, because if a crime was committed with their gun then they would be liable.

I think people potentially keeping better control of their firearms is one benefit

[Emo EMAW]

You just suggested confiscation is response to my question, and then wonder why people are worried about confiscation?  I mean, wtf.

yes, if you break gun laws that should be an option, just like felons not being allowed to have guns. the barrier your brain (and other gun people's) has put up to thinking about this topic logically is astounding.

I'm just clarifying why people think that, which is what you were asking for. 

[SdK]

It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

[Emo EMAW]

It has to be federal. Unless states are going to set up border checkpoints.

Are there border checkpoints surrounding Colorado?