Another school shooting

[Emo EMAW]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

[michigancat]

Also, I think a state level registry is pretty useless, although it's a start.

[michigancat]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

[Emo EMAW]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

[michigancat]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times. Maybe you're really this stupid, but here it is again: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

[Emo EMAW]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence? 

[SdK]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

I think if they are in a SAFE you should be SAFE from counting every night.

[Emo EMAW]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

I think if they are in a SAFE you should be SAFE from counting every night.

Who's to say?   

[SdK]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

I think if they are in a SAFE you should be SAFE from counting every night.

Who's to say?   

Gun owners that don't tell other people their combinations or give their keys away?

[michigancat]

Registering wouldn't prevent that.  Next.

It would definitely reduce it.

Some 1's and 0's stored in a server somewhere would reduce it. 

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be this stupid or pretending to ignore what I've posted like a dozen times: A registry lets you punish people who purchased guns legally and let them fall into the hands of someone who commits a crime with it. What should the punishment be? Not sure, but they definitely shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase guns again. This would help a lot with the biggest bucket of the stats you posted without taking any guns from law abiding citizens.

In NY's SAFE Act, an owner is required to report a gun stolen within 24 hours.  Is it the owner's responsibility to go open his safe every night and count every gun to verify it's presence?

How often are guns are stolen from properly used safes without any evidence?

 I mean, I guess it's possible, but it has to be pretty rare.

[Emo EMAW]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

[michigancat]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

That's pretty irresponsible, but they'd probably be ok if they reported as soon as they got back. Plus who uses an assault weapon (as defined by the NY law) as a CCW?

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales

A registry would make the straw sale ban easier to enforce. (Also straw sales are legal for all sales at non federally regulated dealerships).

[EMAWmeister]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

[Emo EMAW]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

That's pretty irresponsible, but they'd probably be ok if they reported as soon as they got back. Plus who uses an assault weapon (as defined by the NY law) as a CCW?

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales

A registry would make the straw sale ban easier to enforce. (Also straw sales are legal for all sales at non federally regulated dealerships).

I'm talking straw sales that happen as a direct way to avoid the FFL check.  Again, I'd be okay with some sort of transfer check, but no registry.   

[CNS]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

[EMAWmeister]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

Sure, you can't charge them with murder/robbery etc. But you can charge with some form of severe criminal negligence.


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[CNS]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

Sure, you can't charge them with murder/robbery etc. But you can charge with some form of severe criminal negligence.


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This is just silly.  Criminal charges for someone not committing a crime. 

[EMAWmeister]

Another scenario.  Guy has CCW, mostly for his vehicle.  Leaves gun in locked car at airport parking, is gone for more than 24 hours, vehicle broken into and gun stolen.  Now the victim is a criminal?   

I guess it's only a misdemeanor, but whatevs. 

Either way, you can't punish people for crimes that others committed.  You just can't.  Besides, that big bucket you keep talking about, it's mostly straw sales (which is already illegal).  And like I said, I wouldn't be as opposed to requiring private sales to go through the FFL process.  But no registry.

The eff you can't

Not without knowledge that the crime could be/would be committed.  I mean, if you start doing that, JFC, that would be the slipperiest slope yet.

Sure, you can't charge them with murder/robbery etc. But you can charge with some form of severe criminal negligence.


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This is just silly.  Criminal charges for someone not committing a crime.

I would argue that negligent weapon ownership is criminal.

[CNS]

If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff

[star seed 7]

If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff

This already happens like a million times a day in this country

[michigancat]

I'm talking straw sales that happen as a direct way to avoid the FFL check.  Again, I'd be okay with some sort of transfer check, but no registry.   

What does this transfer check entail, and how would it reduce the flow of firearms into the wrong hands?

[michigancat]

If we are going to start charging ppl for negligent ownership of items that could harm others, then we need a bunch more prisons and lawyers and stuff

Or maybe we could just make it illegal for negligent gun owners to purchase or own guns.

[steve dave]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

[Emo EMAW]

I'm talking straw sales that happen as a direct way to avoid the FFL check.  Again, I'd be okay with some sort of transfer check, but no registry.   

What does this transfer check entail, and how would it reduce the flow of firearms into the wrong hands?

The same process one goes through to buy a gun through a dealership.   

[CNS]

it's crazy how brainwashed gun people are on this topic. the wild leaps from "registration" to "take away all guns and charge gun owners with crimes" are very  . is this an nra talking point or something?

If you are talking about me:

1. I am not a crazy gun guy. I am fine to have something added to our society that will help prevent gun violence.  However, I feel like most of what has been discussed is unreasonable to implement.

2. I wouldn't be mentioning charging ppl with crimes if it hadn't been mentioned as a suggestion by others.