Another school shooting

[420seriouscat69]

I would like to clear up the idea that loaning your car to someone who then commits a crime makes you liable for the crime.  It doesn't unless you knew the crime was going to be committed, if you knew that person didn't have a license, etc.

One time I loaned my car to my gf when her car was in the shop and she hit a bird and killed it. Should I feel guilty about this or is this solely on her? TIA.

[Institutional Control]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

[CNS]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

How many 25 to life sentences would the car owner serve?

[Emo EMAW]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

[CNS]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

Because there is no deep pocket to sue with insurance out of the picture and the school shooter dead.

[Emo EMAW]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

Because there is no deep pocket to sue with insurance out of the picture and the school shooter dead.

So the law is the same.  Got it.

[CNS]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

So why is it, today, different for guns?

Because there is no deep pocket to sue with insurance out of the picture and the school shooter dead.

So the law is the same.  Got it.

No clue, but would assume that you could sue whoever you want in civil court.  Just wasting your time unless Adam Lanza(SP) was loaned guns by some millionaire.

[steve dave]

You're not criminally liable but you are liable for damages.   If someone borrows your car and runs into someone and puts them in the hospital. It's your insurance that pays. If that maxes out your insurance coverage, it's the car owner that pays above and beyond that.

this isn't accurate. different venues have different laws re. this. in NY you are somewhat correct. In TX you are not. in some states you and your insurance would have no exposure. in some your insurance would. in some you would split the tab with the driver insurance, in some one would pay first and the other second, etc. there aren't many instances where you are personally vicariously liable for damages caused by someone using your auto unless you can be found negligent in allowing them to operate it (like you knowlingly handed the keys to a drunk person who then got into an accident).

[SdK]

I'm going to start buying guns guys. First purchase:

[steve dave]

sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

[michigancat]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

[SdK]

sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

I don't think I should own any bullets, sd. But in case someone breaks into my home, I'd like to be able to pistol whip. na'mean?

[Institutional Control]

sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

I don't think I should own any bullets, sd. But in case someone breaks into my home, I'd like to be able to pistol whip. na'mean?

No worries. A 16 gauge can not shoot bullets.

[SdK]

sundance

A) I don't think you should own any guns, no offense
B) If you do decide to buy some how about a 16 gauge with no bullets that your bud steve dave has for sale for a low, low price of (some gun person tell me a price 2.5x the reasonable price for one of these, tia)

I don't think I should own any bullets, sd. But in case someone breaks into my home, I'd like to be able to pistol whip. na'mean?

No worries. A 16 gauge can not shoot bullets.

I know. I don't know if you caught the part about SD asking 250% for it, I was replying to his first point.

[Emo EMAW]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

[steve dave]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

[Emo EMAW]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

Look what's happening in NY.  It's a problem they made that they're going to have to deal with.

[Tobias]

seems like you should just blast them if they're trying that

[michigancat]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

Look what's happening in NY.  It's a problem they made that they're going to have to deal with.

Not sure exactly what's happening in New York but again a registry is not what would enable the "wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens".

[Emo EMAW]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

Why not?

I would never agree to a registry that would enable the wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens.  The FFL check done today isn't a registry (although I'm sure they probably do keep those records somewhere).

oh good grief

Look what's happening in NY.  It's a problem they made that they're going to have to deal with.

Not sure exactly what's happening in New York but again a registry is not what would enable the "wholesale seizure of guns from law abiding citizens".

RE:  NY SAFE Act

Requires creation of a registry of assault weapons. Those New Yorkers who already own such weapons would be required to register their guns with the state. Registry began on April 15, 2013 and must be completed before April 15, 2014.[9]

[michigancat]

So when did the government take them away

[Emo EMAW]

So when did the government take them away

Well, there are literally thousands of people that didn't register.  That's the problem I'm alluding to.  Who knows what they do next?

[michigancat]

So when did the government take them away

Well, there are literally thousands of people that didn't register.  That's the problem I'm alluding to.  Who knows what they do next?

Is the problem you are alluding to the fact that there are thousands of irresponsible gun owners in New York?

[Emo EMAW]

So when did the government take them away

Well, there are literally thousands of people that didn't register.  That's the problem I'm alluding to.  Who knows what they do next?

Is the problem you are alluding to the fact that there are thousands of irresponsible gun owners in New York?

What makes them irresponsible?

[michigancat]

They didn't register their firearms. They clearly don't care about their guns falling into the wrong hands.