Another school shooting

[michigancat]

My proposal would not take away any guns you dweebs.

[Headinjun]

I've had an idea were all gun owners are required to be licensed. The license process would include training, proof of mental evaluation, and get this, lessons in empathy. 

Victims of drunk drivers profess their pain at numerous intervention meetings day after day. Why not victims of gun violence, or their family members? 

My idea would also include having a harsh penalty for being in possession of a weapon without a license and also grandfathering in our angry anti-gov bigoted uncles out in western Ks.

I'm also considering an idea where each gun owner is required to carry liability insurance.

[DQ12]

to Bubs point: don't at least a decent portion of these mass killers have access to free mental healthcare though?  i know that mens rights weirdo out in california attended the college.  Surely the campus had someone he could talk to if he so chose.

it just seems like if some one is so irrational that they would consider mass murder, that they'd be unlikely to seek professional help.

[bubbles4ksu]

to Bubs point: don't at least a decent portion of these mass killers have access to free mental healthcare though?  i know that mens rights weirdo out in california attended the college.  Surely the campus had someone he could talk to if he so chose.

it just seems like if some one is so irrational that they would consider mass murder, that they'd be unlikely to seek professional help.

i'm proposing it as way of showing that they are concerned about gun violence. it would benefit someone, but probably not a mass murderer as you say.

it would also increase the cost of guns which is a good thing.

[Pete]

A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.

then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.

True, but no one at the NRA really believes any of that.  They do, however, very astutely observe their mouth breathing following and know that they will buy that crap without a second thought...MORE ANNUAL DUES!!!


This is all rough ridin' bullshit.  There should be NO semi-auto weapons in the hands of civilians.  Nor hand guns without strict licensing and background checks....it should be harder to get a CDL than a hand gun or semi-auto rifle.

My Dad is an amazingly accomplished hunter.  I enjoy bird hunting quite a bit, and don't object to deer hunting at all.  At NO point in my fathers life, nor mine, have either of us found it necessary to have a semi-automatic weapon.  Hunters will keep hunting, uninterrupted.

You are a rough ridin' pussy if you need a semi auto weapon/hand gun.  OR you are a would-be mass murderer.

[Cartierfor3]

bubs is proposing his version of a sin tax, like they do on cigarettes

[Pete]

Fake Sugar Dick,

Would you accept making abortions illegal in exchange for outlawing hand guns and semi-auto rifles?

[Pete]

I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.

"Consequences" don't come into play when you go into the deal ready to die.

[SdK]

I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.

"Consequences" don't come into play when you go into the deal ready to die.

My idea is a add-on to mich cat's gun registry. If you own a gun and lend it to someone and it is used to commit murder, you are charged as an accessory to murder.

Much in the same way I'm liable for other drivers of my car and what they might do. Much as I'm liable for injuries incurred on my property. Guns are property. If you obtain a gun, use it for your own personal needs, etc, and then give that gun to someone that ends up committing a crime, you should be charged as an accomplice.

Gun rights say that criminals will just find another way to get a gun, etc. I'm not saying that will change that. But knocking out 40% of the way that criminals are procuring fire arms seems like a hell of a start to me.

[Pete]

I don't think the purpose of anyone recently is to say that guns should be reduced, just that being an irresponsible owner should have more consequences.

"Consequences" don't come into play when you go into the deal ready to die.

My idea is a add-on to mich cat's gun registry. If you own a gun and lend it to someone and it is used to commit murder, you are charged as an accessory to murder.

Much in the same way I'm liable for other drivers of my car and what they might do. Much as I'm liable for injuries incurred on my property. Guns are property. If you obtain a gun, use it for your own personal needs, etc, and then give that gun to someone that ends up committing a crime, you should be charged as an accomplice.

Gun rights say that criminals will just find another way to get a gun, etc. I'm not saying that will change that. But knocking out 40% of the way that criminals are procuring fire arms seems like a hell of a start to me.

I support that.  Makes perfect sense.

[Pete]

I'd be up for rigorous licensing of guns, and if you are found with an unlicensed gun you go to jail.

That way, when bad guys are found with illegal guns, we have one more thing to nail them on.

Meanwhile, my Dad and I are off enjoying some clay pigeon shooting with our over/unders and sighting in the rifles out by the pond damn, with our perfectly legal, registered, fire arms.

[SdK]

I'd be up for rigorous licensing of guns, and if you are found with an unlicensed gun you go to jail.

That way, when bad guys are found with illegal guns, we have one more thing to nail them on.

Meanwhile, my Dad and I are off enjoying some clay pigeon shooting with our over/unders and sighting in the rifles out by the pond damn, with our perfectly legal, registered, fire arms.

 

[EMAWmeister]

A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.

then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.

True, but no one at the NRA really believes any of that.  They do, however, very astutely observe their mouth breathing following and know that they will buy that crap without a second thought...MORE ANNUAL DUES!!!


This is all rough ridin' bullshit.  There should be NO semi-auto weapons in the hands of civilians.  Nor hand guns without strict licensing and background checks....it should be harder to get a CDL than a hand gun or semi-auto rifle.

My Dad is an amazingly accomplished hunter.  I enjoy bird hunting quite a bit, and don't object to deer hunting at all.  At NO point in my fathers life, nor mine, have either of us found it necessary to have a semi-automatic weapon.  Hunters will keep hunting, uninterrupted.

You are a rough ridin' pussy if you need a semi auto weapon/hand gun.  OR you are a would-be mass murderer.

Pete is spot on

[SkinnyBenny]

Yup. Also I love when gun nuts respond to school shootings by throwing their hands up and go, "Well? Nothing we can do, I mean everybody's gonna have guns! Mental health, now that's the answer!" And then they offer no actual solutions about what 'mental health solutions' mean or what that would look like, or how to implement it, or any statistics that could predict what impact it might actually have. Basically I just kinda find it entertaining to watch them accept none of the blame and offer absolutely no solutions. I mean it might even be funny except for the fact that while this is happening, kids keep getting shot in the head.

[SdK]

Maybe Rev Front will make its way over.

[DQ12]

Much in the same way I'm liable for other drivers of my car and what they might do...

You keep saying this and I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

[nicname]

A war on guns would reduce guns about as much as the war on drugs reduced drugs. Its a fine ideal SB, but no.

then there shouldn't be a war on guns.

the NRA should propose a 5% tax on gun sales with the revenue going to mental health care. instead they will do the "more guns are needed" rigamarole because conservative media has convinced them that liberals are serious about confiscating 270 millions guns.

True, but no one at the NRA really believes any of that.  They do, however, very astutely observe their mouth breathing following and know that they will buy that crap without a second thought...MORE ANNUAL DUES!!!


This is all rough ridin' bullshit.  There should be NO semi-auto weapons in the hands of civilians.  Nor hand guns without strict licensing and background checks....it should be harder to get a CDL than a hand gun or semi-auto rifle.

My Dad is an amazingly accomplished hunter.  I enjoy bird hunting quite a bit, and don't object to deer hunting at all.  At NO point in my fathers life, nor mine, have either of us found it necessary to have a semi-automatic weapon.  Hunters will keep hunting, uninterrupted.

You are a rough ridin' pussy if you need a semi auto weapon/hand gun.  OR you are a would-be mass murderer.

Pete is spot on

I don't see a problem with people having semi-automatic weapons in their home. I don't think they are pussies for having them either.

[Rage Against the McKee]

We should require liability insurance of at least $200 million that would go to the family of a victim that is killed by your gun. If your gun is used to commit a crime and you don't have insurance, minimum 20 years in prison.

[Emo EMAW]

I'd be more okay if you had to fill out some sort of transfer form with private sales, but it shouldn't be a registry.  More like what you do when you buy a gun from a retail source.

[DQ12]

People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for decades for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

[Rage Against the McKee]

People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime.

[Emo EMAW]

People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime.

Loaning someone a deer rifle to go deer hunting doesn't make them an accessory. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime.

Loaning someone a deer rifle to go deer hunting doesn't make them an accessory. 

It kind of does. Why does this guy need your rifle? Does he not own one? Does he even know how to use this rifle? Did you give him any sort of a background check before placing the power of life and death in this wacko's hands?

I would prefer to just go the insurance route. If you have the insurance to pay the victim of your gun's family $200 million, you can go about your business. Good luck keeping your insurance. Otherwise, go to jail.

[Emo EMAW]

People on here are awfully cavalier about tossing people in prison for murders they didn't commit, nor even contemplated.

Only when they are an accessory to the crime.

Loaning someone a deer rifle to go deer hunting doesn't make them an accessory. 

It kind of does. Why does this guy need your rifle? Does he not own one? Does he even know how to use this rifle? Did you give him any sort of a background check before placing the power of life and death in this wacko's hands?

I would prefer to just go the insurance route. If you have the insurance to pay the victim of your gun's family $200 million, you can go about your business. Good luck keeping your insurance. Otherwise, go to jail.

You're an idiot and not worth arguing with.

[CNS]

I would like to clear up the idea that loaning your car to someone who then commits a crime makes you liable for the crime.  It doesn't unless you knew the crime was going to be committed, if you knew that person didn't have a license, etc.