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Hell, i am not mad they are not living up to their preseson #3 status.....
I am pissed they are not playing like a top 25 team and our coaching staff is clueless how to get this group to be halfway DECENT on offense. Just DECENT
McGruder is still the best player on this team.
so dumb
I can't imagine how bad his efficiency numbers would be if you removed Jake from this team. Not sure he would ever get a good look that wasn't off of an offensive rebound.
WTF are you talking about? It's this new "motion offense" that has completely stunted McOReb's offensive production. I'm not agreeing that he's the best player on the team, but saying he'd be terrible without Jake is just Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
there were a ton of good looks. it was definitely a missed shot night, not a offensive clustereff night.
It's sad that every game has been one or the other (or both, like Fla.). And by sad I mean effing pathetic.
Yeah isn't this the case for everyone who loses? If either of these things are the case then it would be bad defense. Would bad defense make you feel better?
I didn't say "every loss," I said "every game." Even our wins are rough ridin' pathetic offensively, either scheme-wise or shot-wise.
THIS TEAM is rough ridin' pathetic offensively. There's really no way around that.
McGruder is still the best player on this team.
True fans need to start going after the rough ridin' shirt tucks. They are the reason KSU sports are stuck in mediocrity.
who cares? something bad about his mom? Frank's comments scare me a bit.
yup. didn't want to say it.
the shirt tucks are going to pounce on this.
They are already all over Frank. I knew a lot would turn on him if things went south, but they are really turning on him over there.
Goddamnit, i don't want this snowballing. As paranoid as Frank supposedly is already...this won't help. He needs our love for now. jmo.
I still don't get how the agent stuff relates to KSU/Frank. Can someone explain? pm if necessary.
Malone hates us for agent fiasco which wasn't. our fault anyway. Anything else Malone says is just filler.
Dealt with Joel Bell on a professional basis when I lived in Boston. Biggest bad person I have ever associated with. He's one of those guys who flaunts his "money and power" around while having no idea how small timey he is. I worked with him the summer Mike fired his ass. He went around talking big crap about having "a top three draft pick." It was amazing how humbled he was after he was fired
Did he "sponsor" malone's team, or something like that, and was therefore to get first pick of the kids? Never did hear the depth on this one.
Aren't most coaches capable of 6-10?Especially with a young team in a well matched league?
i think sampson/sutton went 6-10 like once in thirty years combined.
i was kind of hoping frank was a sampson/sutton clone
there were a ton of good looks. it was definitely a missed shot night, not a offensive clustereff night.
It's sad that every game has been one or the other (or both, like Fla.). And by sad I mean rough ridin' pathetic.
even undefeated teams shoot worse than their average in half their games. i just don't know what the eff you guys are talking about.
176th in the NCAA in FG %
We're playing chess and you're eating play-doh I'm done responding to you.
Malone hates us for agent fiasco which wasn't. our fault anyway. Anything else Malone says is just filler.
Go ahead and find a recording of it.yes, it was off air, but their mics picked it up while why@ was closing out the segment to get prepped for commercialwalking up to why@ and stanbot.
"bunch of selfish dudes"
Did he actually say that?
I didn't hear that, if a non Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) heard it I'll believe it, otherwise it didn't happen.
I love when people act like "just missing shots" is somehow independent of basketball skill. Like "we played pretty good, just missed a bunch of shots."
Guess what? Making effing shots is a big effing part of playing effing basketball.
Don't tell me you are missing the point of that.
If we forced shots or didn't generate bad shots that would be one thing. But this team has been about making 3s when we play well. Tonight we had a lot of really good looks from 3. I'm not saying I expect us to hit 40% or something, but heck, just hit 35% (about our average) and we win.
Throw in the number of 2PT shots we missed (which was even worse, a terrible 10-32) and its even worse.
Again, the defense was solid, rebounding, drawing fouls, protecting the ball. All good enough to win, all better than what CU did.
But at the end of the day we just missed shots, and missed many more open looks/good shots than CU.
what % did cu shoot?
CU shot 2-10 from 3, 17-33 from 2. 46.5% eFG%.
KSU shot 6-20 from 3, 10-32 from 2. 36.5% eFG%.
While CU did shoot really well from the FT line, we offset that by getting to the line more. Both teams scored 18 from the FT line, though its fair to point out that we left some points there.
Every other category (RBing, ORBing TOs, Assists) we were better than CU.
So yeah, in this game "we just missed shots" is a very legitimate argument. Very.
who shot the shots? what is their average? how does it compare to the outcome? i don't expect or want you to do the math but it seems like it could be taken a step further. like... if kstate has a guy that usually doesn't make shots and that guy shot a lot and he didn't make them then it's not like kstate shot worse than avg because they in fact had people that usually don't make shots taking shots.
If you are talking shot distribution the only person who really stands out as shooting either extremely more or less than their average was Southwell. He only had 35 FG attempts on the season coming into the game. He was 1-5 tonight.
I love when people act like "just missing shots" is somehow independent of basketball skill. Like "we played pretty good, just missed a bunch of shots."
Guess what? Making effing shots is a big effing part of playing effing basketball.
Don't tell me you are missing the point of that.
If we forced shots or didn't generate bad shots that would be one thing. But this team has been about making 3s when we play well. Tonight we had a lot of really good looks from 3. I'm not saying I expect us to hit 40% or something, but heck, just hit 35% (about our average) and we win.
Throw in the number of 2PT shots we missed (which was even worse, a terrible 10-32) and its even worse.
Again, the defense was solid, rebounding, drawing fouls, protecting the ball. All good enough to win, all better than what CU did.
But at the end of the day we just missed shots, and missed many more open looks/good shots than CU.
what % did cu shoot?
CU shot 2-10 from 3, 17-33 from 2. 46.5% eFG%.
KSU shot 6-20 from 3, 10-32 from 2. 36.5% eFG%.
While CU did shoot really well from the FT line, we offset that by getting to the line more. Both teams scored 18 from the FT line, though its fair to point out that we left some points there.
Every other category (RBing, ORBing TOs, Assists) we were better than CU.
So yeah, in this game "we just missed shots" is a very legitimate argument. Very.
who shot the shots? what is their average? how does it compare to the outcome? i don't expect or want you to do the math but it seems like it could be taken a step further. like... if kstate has a guy that usually doesn't make shots and that guy shot a lot and he didn't make them then it's not like kstate shot worse than avg because they in fact had people that usually don't make shots taking shots.
I love when people act like "just missing shots" is somehow independent of basketball skill. Like "we played pretty good, just missed a bunch of shots."
Guess what? Making effing shots is a big effing part of playing effing basketball.
Don't tell me you are missing the point of that.
If we forced shots or didn't generate bad shots that would be one thing. But this team has been about making 3s when we play well. Tonight we had a lot of really good looks from 3. I'm not saying I expect us to hit 40% or something, but heck, just hit 35% (about our average) and we win.
Throw in the number of 2PT shots we missed (which was even worse, a terrible 10-32) and its even worse.
Again, the defense was solid, rebounding, drawing fouls, protecting the ball. All good enough to win, all better than what CU did.
But at the end of the day we just missed shots, and missed many more open looks/good shots than CU.
what % did cu shoot?
CU shot 2-10 from 3, 17-33 from 2. 46.5% eFG%.
KSU shot 6-20 from 3, 10-32 from 2. 36.5% eFG%.
While CU did shoot really well from the FT line, we offset that by getting to the line more. Both teams scored 18 from the FT line, though its fair to point out that we left some points there.
Every other category (RBing, ORBing TOs, Assists) we were better than CU.
So yeah, in this game "we just missed shots" is a very legitimate argument. Very.
who shot the shots? what is their average? how does it compare to the outcome? i don't expect or want you to do the math but it seems like it could be taken a step further. like... if kstate has a guy that usually doesn't make shots and that guy shot a lot and he didn't make them then it's not like kstate shot worse than avg because they in fact had people that usually don't make shots taking shots.
Blames the Big XII for moving this game to an 8 PM tipoff.
You can't be that stupid? Dude the influx of tards are getting to you. He was talking about the turnaround for Monday night you dumb ass, that comment had nothing to do with the end result of this game.
Yes. And that's exactly what that comment was about. It was supposed to be a 12 PM tipoff so we can get back to Manhattan and enough time before Monday but Big XII wouldn't change it.
yes, it was off air, but their mics picked it up while why@ was closing out the segment to get prepped for commercialwalking up to why@ and stanbot.
"bunch of selfish dudes"
Did he actually say that?
hbbiqer: meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.
the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games. when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.
I don't disagree with that at all.
I don't think anyone does disagree with that? Chum is building a hell of a strawman.
See the point is that everything else K-State did was good enough to win, but it wasn't enough to over come the bad offense which was worse than normal. The first KSU/CU game the offense wasn't great either but you can point to garbage rebounding as another reason for the loss.
No his point was valid, but I'm saying this wasn't a standard below average shooting game. It was way below. In Big 12 games coming in we were at 48.6% eFG%. Tonight we were over 12% below that average, so that was the story.
I bet you would have a tough time finding a game where we were better in OR%, TO%, and FTR than our opponent and still lost.
So yeah, I was agreeing with his strawman argument, but I also agree with you that its frustrating b/c we were so much worse than average shooting the ball.
Cats needed to handle CU on the boards, especially offensively. OR% was 34.1% to 25% - advantage Cats.
Cats needed to get to the FT line, force CU to foul. FT rate was 59.6% to 51.2% - advantage Cats.
Cats needed handle the ball well on the road. TO% was 14.6% to 26% - advantage Cats.
Cats needed for force CU's good shooters into tough shots. CU's eFG% was 46.5% - would seem to be advantage Cats.
But K-State has an eFG% of 35.5%, shooting 6-20 from 3 (30%), and a terrible 10-32 on 2PTers.
K-State's best 2 FT shooters go 1-4 from the FT line (before Jake's last 2) down the stretch.
K-State's SR leader turns the ball over for a CU runout down 1.
K-State forces two loose balls up 1, and CU recovers under the basket and is fouled.
Just a terrible, terrible loss.
CU shot 82% from the foul line
He wasn't talking about free throw percentage you simple son of a bitch
I was....idiot.....and I'm not done with your mom yet.
is that the burks call where our dude pokes him and then he wards off the poke with an elbow?I did.
How in the world could you think that? How about the Curtis Kelly T, Burks does the same thing and it's an intentional
I think what happened is they made a couple of horrendous calls that screwed KSU, like the CK technical and then went too far with the makeup calls.
hbbiqer: meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.
the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games. when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.
I don't disagree with that at all.
Cats needed to handle CU on the boards, especially offensively. OR% was 34.1% to 25% - advantage Cats.
Cats needed to get to the FT line, force CU to foul. FT rate was 59.6% to 51.2% - advantage Cats.
Cats needed handle the ball well on the road. TO% was 14.6% to 26% - advantage Cats.
Cats needed for force CU's good shooters into tough shots. CU's eFG% was 46.5% - would seem to be advantage Cats.
But K-State has an eFG% of 35.5%, shooting 6-20 from 3 (30%), and a terrible 10-32 on 2PTers.
K-State's best 2 FT shooters go 1-4 from the FT line (before Jake's last 2) down the stretch.
K-State's SR leader turns the ball over for a CU runout down 1.
K-State forces two loose balls up 1, and CU recovers under the basket and is fouled.
Just a terrible, terrible loss.
CU shot 82% from the foul line
Blames the Big XII for moving this game to an 8 PM tipoff.
amazing shot. great individual effort. knew it wouldn't count because we are K-State and we used our decade of stored Karma at ISU. No karma left.
