crushing

[the KHAN!]

Southwell needs to go back to Junior High basketball camp...learn some rough ridin' fundamentals.


Oh wait, so does half our team.

[chum1]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a rough ridin' fluke.

[nicname]

Southwell needs to go back to Junior High basketball camp...learn some rough ridin' fundamentals.


Oh wait, so does half our team.

His fundamentals are good.  He does a lot of things right.  He just isn't a good enough outside shooter, and lacks confidence in his perimeter shot.  He is going to be a good player for us.

[KSU Scott]

I may be way off base here but to me it seems like everything just comes too hard for us offensively.  Maybe I'm not paying attention, but a lot of the time it doesn't seem that we are just missing shots, it is that rarely do we really get a great look.

One other thing I noticed is that Southwell really needs to develop an outside shot.  

our offense is a cluster f&ck and always has been.  There's little to no spacing allowing for dribble penetration.  We dribble the ball around, hope that someone gets open, throw up a shot....and then when they miss (as they did 70% of the time tonight), duck their head and make their way to the bench for the obligatory public verbal beat down by Frank.  Personally, I'm surprised we don't have more shot clock violations as a result of not wanting to take the shot.

[Pett]

"The Big 12 is our's to lose."  - Jacob Pullen



 

"That's it... I'm done with this place." - Ben Wiseman

[kso_FAN]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

[the KHAN!]

Imagine how bad this would have been if Wally or Grandpa Asprilla had been fumbling and bumbling down the court!

[mcmwcat]

i hate this new 'motion' offense

[MakeItRain]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

I don't think anyone does disagree with that?  Chum is building a hell of a strawman.

See the point is that everything else K-State did was good enough to win, but it wasn't enough to over come the bad offense which was worse than normal.  The first KSU/CU game the offense wasn't great either but you can point to garbage rebounding as another reason for the loss.

[kougar24]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Then you need to let it go, and melt down with abandon. It's the only thing left.

[CHONGS]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Then you need to let it go, and melt down with abandon. It's the only thing left.

what does that even mean?

[kougar24]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Then you need to let it go, and melt down with abandon. It's the only thing left.

what does that even mean?

GET PISSED, POST LIKE A rough ridin' MADMAN.

[KSU Scott]

i hate this new 'motion' offense

that's good....you used offense in re: to KSU bball

[CHONGS]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Then you need to let it go, and melt down with abandon. It's the only thing left.

what does that even mean?

GET PISSED, POST LIKE A rough ridin' MADMAN.

[Skipper44]

With the aggressive man CU was playing I was really hoping for 95 to get a chance, even more so when it was evident Martavious and Nick were not going to do much.

[the KHAN!]

GET PISSED, POST LIKE A rough ridin' MADMAN.

We need to take our rage out on KU.

And I mean like physical assaults....

[KSU176]

8 times out of 10 we beat that team.

No we don't.

[kso_FAN]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

I don't think anyone does disagree with that?  Chum is building a hell of a strawman.

See the point is that everything else K-State did was good enough to win, but it wasn't enough to over come the bad offense which was worse than normal.  The first KSU/CU game the offense wasn't great either but you can point to garbage rebounding as another reason for the loss.

No his point was valid, but I'm saying this wasn't a standard below average shooting game. It was way below. In Big 12 games coming in we were at 48.6% eFG%. Tonight we were over 12% below that average, so that was the story.

I bet you would have a tough time finding a game where we were better in OR%, TO%, and FTR than our opponent and still lost.

So yeah, I was agreeing with his strawman argument, but I also agree with you that its frustrating b/c we were so much worse than average shooting the ball.

[the KHAN!]

No we don't.

Dude...have you seen Colorado play?

They almost lost to us....

[0.42]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Then you need to let it go, and melt down with abandon. It's the only thing left.

what does that even mean?

GET PISSED, POST LIKE A rough ridin' MADMAN.

Wait, given the posts here tonight, you shouldn't even be coherent right now.

[kougar24]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Then you need to let it go, and melt down with abandon. It's the only thing left.

what does that even mean?

GET PISSED, POST LIKE A effING MADMAN.

[chum1]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

I don't think anyone does disagree with that?  Chum is building a hell of a strawman.

See the point is that everything else K-State did was good enough to win, but it wasn't enough to over come the bad offense which was worse than normal.  The first KSU/CU game the offense wasn't great either but you can point to garbage rebounding as another reason for the loss.

no strawman.  this "it was just an off shooting night" bs has happened all season.  how many off nights can one team have?

[MakeItRain]

hbbiqer:  meh, if we made more shots, we would have won.

the flaw here is that you shoot below you average in half your games.  when you do that and also lose, it's not a effing fluke.

I don't disagree with that at all.

I don't think anyone does disagree with that?  Chum is building a hell of a strawman.

See the point is that everything else K-State did was good enough to win, but it wasn't enough to over come the bad offense which was worse than normal.  The first KSU/CU game the offense wasn't great either but you can point to garbage rebounding as another reason for the loss.

No his point was valid, but I'm saying this wasn't a standard below average shooting game. It was way below. In Big 12 games coming in we were at 48.6% eFG%. Tonight we were over 12% below that average, so that was the story.

I bet you would have a tough time finding a game where we were better in OR%, TO%, and FTR than our opponent and still lost.

So yeah, I was agreeing with his strawman argument, but I also agree with you that its frustrating b/c we were so much worse than average shooting the ball.

I know his point is valid, that's my point.  He and Cougar are making a counter argument that no one is arguing against.  They are being contrarian to no one.

[kso_FAN]

I know his point is valid, that's my point.  He and Cougar are making a counter argument that no one is arguing against.  They are being contrarian to no one.

True, its just another night to be disappointed as a K-State fan I guess. People show it different ways. :sigh:

[Dr Rick Daris]

I love when people act like "just missing shots" is somehow independent of basketball skill. Like "we played pretty good, just missed a bunch of shots."

Guess what? Making effing shots is a big effing part of playing effing basketball.

Don't tell me you are missing the point of that.

If we forced shots or didn't generate bad shots that would be one thing. But this team has been about making 3s when we play well. Tonight we had a lot of really good looks from 3. I'm not saying I expect us to hit 40% or something, but heck, just hit 35% (about our average) and we win.

Throw in the number of 2PT shots we missed (which was even worse, a terrible 10-32) and its even worse.

Again, the defense was solid, rebounding, drawing fouls, protecting the ball.  All good enough to win, all better than what CU did.

But at the end of the day we just missed shots, and missed many more open looks/good shots than CU.

what % did cu shoot?

CU shot 2-10 from 3, 17-33 from 2. 46.5% eFG%.
KSU shot 6-20 from 3, 10-32 from 2. 36.5% eFG%.

While CU did shoot really well from the FT line, we offset that by getting to the line more. Both teams scored 18 from the FT line, though its fair to point out that we left some points there.

Every other category (RBing, ORBing TOs, Assists) we were better than CU.

So yeah, in this game "we just missed shots" is a very legitimate argument. Very.

who shot the shots? what is their average? how does it compare to the outcome? i don't expect or want you to do the math but it seems like it could be taken a step further. like... if kstate has a guy that usually doesn't make shots and that guy shot a lot and he didn't make them then it's not like kstate shot worse than avg because they in fact had people that usually don't make shots taking shots.