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That's a nightmare for not only Trump but other down ballot Republicans.

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I mean, at least Biden will be entertaining as the nominee.


Biden is the only nominee that Trump will debate and that debate will be wild. It will join Lincoln/Douglas and Kennedy/Nixon in the history books.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« on: January 17, 2020, 07:47:10 PM »
So I fell four pages behind in this thread in one day, is it essentially four pages of dax flopping around like a fish on asphalt?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The impending war with Iran
« on: January 17, 2020, 12:31:14 PM »

Be honest here folks, who just learned that casualties does not mean deaths? I just did.
Have you ever heard of ken burns

Do I need to watch his baseball series?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The impending war with Iran
« on: January 17, 2020, 01:24:00 AM »

Be honest here folks, who just learned that casualties does not mean deaths? I just did.

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So Warren was so bothered by Bernie's comments in 2018 that all the reporting at the time suggests they amicably agreed that they were both running, then 13 months later she remembers this was an important thing and she is still upset about it?

And if the implication is not that it is sexist, then what is the point in even bringing it up?
I read somewhere that it came out in response to the Sanders campaign giving their supporters a anti-Warren script to use. It seems the two campaigns have mostly refrained from attacking each other.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786



The quote in the article is the one I’ve seen pointed as the negative campaigning...

But volunteers were also equipped with talking points for voters who said they were leaning toward other candidates. In Warren's case, they stated that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”


 :lol: that’s about as tame as you can get, and common knowledge. It is a crappy excuse to stick a sexist labeled knife in a surging Sanders’ back while you’re slippingin the polls three weeks ahead of Iowa. And as KK said two years after the damn one on one meeting took place.

Add in the disgusting way the issue was raised and Sanders’s denial basically ignored by the CNN moderator and you have what looks a lot like a concerted effort at a made for tv/ made for headlines gotcha moment meant to tear down Sanders.

https://youtu.be/O5CUfvoRCx4

The whole display was so gross that when during the post debate another CNN panelist was touting the claim as fact Anderson Cooper had to remind them that it indeed was he said/ she said.

Why would Warren do this? Will it help her win? Probably not. Will it make it easier for her to distance herself from Sanders and back the establishment candidate Biden when/if she drops out? Probably.

It’s a good example of why a lot of people, myself included, question Warren’s honesty and integrity.

The questioning of Warren's honesty is amazingly ironic when it comes to this post. Painting a progressive and his/her followers as elites is incredibly damning. I would be very shocked if you didn't realize that, something tells me that you do.

You also know full rough ridin' well why she waited for two years to release the details of that conversation. She essentially said why she did it.

At some point ardent Bernie Sanders supporters need to stop with the cult of personality bullshit and hold their candidate responsible for something, anything. Literally every other candidates supporters have something that they have to deal with regarding their candidate, and are forced to essentially eat it. You don't see Warren supporters threatening to boycott networks when the native american stuff comes out, even though, and this point has been made several times, that has happened to so many Americans, including me. Pete supporters don't crap themselves claiming media bias when he has to answer about the South Bend Police Chief or McKinsey on a damn near daily basis. All candidates go through stuff like this only Bernie supporters and MAGA behave as if the world is against them and their guy is perfect.

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100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.

Yeah, again—and Bernie himself made this point on Tuesday—Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. This is a very dumb talking point.

Did she win?

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Shows that have you by the balls, or vag...
« on: January 16, 2020, 12:01:52 AM »
I haven’t seen The Wire or The Sopranos. Which should I start?

Treme better than both of them. David Simon is a genius.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Stormy!!!
« on: January 15, 2020, 02:53:08 PM »
packed houses of Iowans must be crushed

I never heard of this happening, I think k dub might have been exaggerating a bit.

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My takeaway from tonight is that Bernie supporters are just as adept at ruining twitter as MAGA are. My God, what a crap show. There are literally 7 trending topics right now specifically filled with Sanders supporters crying, including #NeverWarren lol, unhinged.

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Also Klob forgetting the name of the KS Gov by trying her damndest to remember was pretty lol

I'm proud to know her...she's my friend...she's...

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cold long winter for yall

eff, you'd know. How long has it been since Illinois has been to the tournament? What's going to happen to Brad after OSU is done with the investigation on that letter of infractions? Show cause, right?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« on: January 15, 2020, 12:14:14 AM »
The sad part of all of this is that there are so many characters like Robert Hyde, that when the Emmy award winning mini series happens in a decade, guys like this will only have bit parts when they really should be the whole show.

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:lol:


Stunning to me that this was their first "private" moment since the weekend. They were in the building for over an hour together before the debate and there were two extended, off stage breaks during the debate. She was pissed, not behaving like someone who made that story up, yet bernie supporters are all over twitter crying about cnn setting bernie up by asking him about this lie.

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 :buh-bye:

What's wrong bucket? This is awesome!

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What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

Nope, sarcastic.  But it should help people remember that bernie and warren are just politicians like the rest.

I don't think it's arguable that either one of them would have a much greater chance of winning the nomination had they jointly decided from jump which one would run for president and that one likely getting all the support of people who otherwise would've been split between them.  If what they each hoped to achieve as president was their pure goal, they'd have figured something out.  But to each of them (and to the whole field, not just these two), being president is at least a little more important than the principles they're running on.

Agree with all of this. Obama permanently took away any illusions I had of presidential candidates being virtuous. Any presidential candidate who doesn't have the removal of money out of our processes as their highest priority doesn't stand on any principled high ground. Money in politics simply exists to get people to act against their or their constituents wishes.

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I'm watching the debate now, the whole Liz/Bernie/Klo exchange was extremely cringe, like all time cringe.

I hate M4A with the heat of a thousand suns, but Warren's plan to involve the government in the manufacture of drugs is a winner.

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What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

I know you stated you are caucusing for Warren, but does it make any sense that Bernie would encourage Warren to run against Hillary (apparently because he thought 2 women could potentially win the presidency!) and then 2 years later be so sexist that he told Warren that she shouldn’t run because a woman couldn’t win?

I also think if you are concerned with electability at all you should think twice about Warren, but the easiest argument against her is that she is a rough ridin' liar and does it pretty regularly as a way to benefit herself.

I already said that while I do believe that Bernie said this, the context was not "I don't think a woman can be president," but something to the effect of "this country has shown that they aren't ready for a woman as president." No one rational thinks that Bernie is a sexist and I think Sanders supporters know this but are throwing the word sexiest around as a device, either this or y'all are being too emotional to see the very obvious nuance within this conversation.

I will say this, I do think he has a ton of sexists that support him, as do all men running in an election against a woman/women. I didn't think he spoke out enough against this behavior four years ago and he isn't doing it now, and it's calculated.

Now as far as electability, you're correct, Bernie is more electable, but it's simply because of the previously discussed sexism, I'm not going to punish her because some men don't want to vote for a woman, that's ridiculous. They are both 70 something, white people, representing New England as progressives. Both were more conservative when younger. Both favor the absurd medicare for all. I'd venture to guess there haven't been two presidential candidates who are closer in your lifetime, certainly not the same running in the same election.

Even if I buy your "pretty regular lies" line, you act as if Bernie isn't perfect. I'll call Liz a liar if you acknowledge that Bernie didn't and isn't doing enough to control the vitriol that seems to seep out of his campaigns.

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What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?

 :confused:

I thought Warren didn’t make a 2016 run because she thought Hillary was better positioned to win. At least I’m not sure why else she would not have run. I remember Joe’s explanation.

I don't know why she didn't run, but there is no reason to think that there's any truth to this. If anything she wouldn't have run out of deference to Bernie.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Shows that have you by the balls, or vag...
« on: January 14, 2020, 02:23:04 PM »
UPCOMING SHOWS

I don't know if I really like the direction that WestWorld is going.  I wasn't 100% thrilled with last season.  But I am going to stick around at this point.

I'm in complete agreement about WestWorld. I'm also looking forward to Avenue 5 which debuts this weekend.
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did you see the trailer for season 3?  I think there is a good possibility it is going to suck.

They showed something short for it before The Outsider, but it wasn't a trailer. I haven't seen a trailer. I know the setting and characters for season 3 and both concern me.

That trailer was weird.

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What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

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What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?

 :confused:

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