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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: htsevern on February 08, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
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We started Marcus Smart's fallout with the "You're a flopper chant" and now he is fighting Fans! :ROFL: :billdance:
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Doug Gottlieb ?@GottliebShow 1m
Eddie Sutton wouldn't bring his family to Lubbock, worst things said I have ever heard... Still have to walk away
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link?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha3S3kwAQE&feature=youtu.be
That lady's reaction is pretty funny.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFUj4YCKMyM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFUj4YCKMyM)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha3S3kwAQE&feature=youtu.be
That lady's reaction is pretty funny.
Curious to what he said
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Gottlieb needs to STFU, on occasion.
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Im not saying that what ever was said is wrong, but Smart needs to control his emotions!
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Also, I love how the coverage of this breaking story, as well as this thread, has the subtext of, "did that fan drop the N-bomb?"
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Smart is disgusting.
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He should have just mushed the guy instead
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Also, I love how the coverage of this breaking story, as well as this thread, has the subtext of, "did that fan drop the N-bomb?"
Every thing is Breaking or Developing for ESPN! This is why I hate ESPN! :blah:
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I already liked smart but now I love him.
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He is ugly.
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Inside and out.
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Inside and out.
GTFO
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At least our Marcus is beautiful and amazing! :love:
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Forced PR statement :runaway:
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Inside and out.
GTFO
Remember making fun of Will's acne? Yeah. Smart's is worse.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10407828/marcus-smart-oklahoma-state-cowboys-talks-flopping (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10407828/marcus-smart-oklahoma-state-cowboys-talks-flopping)
"I know fans are going to go out and take shots at me," he said. "Starting this game, I'm putting it in the back of my mind. If that's how it's going to be played, that's how it's going to be played. If they can do it to me, I can do it also. That's my mindset from here on out. Physically, there's going to be nothing easy."
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Marcus Smart is a piece of human feces and is the definition of a crap human being.
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Forced PR statement :runaway:
Did you note the date? Kinda the point...
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Marcus Smart is a piece of human feces and is the definition of a crap human being.
You are the worst
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Smart should have walked away, but does it look like the guy is saying "sorry about that" to Smart when Smart first gets up & turns to the fan?
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10407828/marcus-smart-oklahoma-state-cowboys-talks-flopping (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10407828/marcus-smart-oklahoma-state-cowboys-talks-flopping)
"I know fans are going to go out and take shots at me," he said. "Starting this game, I'm putting it in the back of my mind. If that's how it's going to be played, that's how it's going to be played. If they can do it to me, I can do it also. That's my mindset from here on out. Physically, there's going to be nothing easy."
Looks like he called his shot.
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Marcus Smart is a piece of human feces and is the definition of a crap human being.
You are the worst
Carnes I know you are already a piece of crap, this is a defining moment tho.
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Patrick Wilson ?@realpatwilson 23m
Dude that Smart pushed was same jackass that taunted BD... pic.twitter.com/hP2ae3uWEP
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgAZ7pDCYAADhzC.jpg)
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someone call him a thug. SOMEONE CALL HIM A THUG.
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Patrick Wilson ?@realpatwilson 23m
Dude that Smart pushed was same jackass that taunted BD... pic.twitter.com/hP2ae3uWEP
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgAZ7pDCYAADhzC.jpg)
Stay Classy Tech! :cheers: But Smart should not have done that no matter what!
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someone call him a thug. SOMEONE CALL HIM A THUG.
lol dubs
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that's crazy
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Forced PR statement :runaway:
That was his first one after leaving the bench in January.
Ford has no control over that team.
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That old rough rider is clearly a piece of crap. Marcus shouldn't have let him get under his skin, but he did. :frown:
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Marcus Smart is a piece of human feces and is the definition of a crap human being.
You are the worst
Carnes I know you are already a piece of crap, this is a defining moment tho.
So you're a racist?
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Marcus Smart is a piece of human feces and is the definition of a crap human being.
You are the worst
Carnes I know you are already a piece of crap, this is a defining moment tho.
So you're a racist?
JFC, just stop, child.
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eff you
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LOLZ :ROFL:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NdJahHN0w&sns=tw
That old man is a special kind of crap human.
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as awesome as it was it could have been soooo much better. old man should have shoved him back. or, oh man, he should have shoved the old lady next.
these meme's are gonna be awesome. :Woot:
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lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NdJahHN0w&sns=tw
That old man is a special kind of crap human.
Is everyone in Lubbock like that? :dunno:
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Ford has no control over that team.
Yeah, now I'll be super bummed if we don't win in Stillwater.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NdJahHN0w&sns=tw
That old man is a special kind of crap human.
Is everyone in Lubbock like that? :dunno:
Pretty much. Tech fans are the worst.
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That old lady looks like the biggest piece of crap of the three.
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Oh God that tech fan is acting like a giant asshat. Someone had better push him! Especially if you're in a close game in the final minutes. Show him who the real shithead is. Push him!
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http://today.ttu.edu/2010/03/texas-tech-basketball-fan-extraordinaire/
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Glad to see most of my gE buds aren't crap humans. :thumbs:
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someone call him a thug. SOMEONE CALL HIM A THUG.
John Granderson ?@JohnMac122 42s
Marcus Smart was acting like a thug on the way out as well. He told a couple of teammates "I don't give a eff." and "Get the eff off me."
Man, you know someone's a thug when they say the F-word. I don't really know anyone that talks like that except my friend knows this guy who's a drug dealing gangster thug. :surprised:
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Oh God that tech fan is acting like a giant asshat. Someone had better push him! Especially if you're in a close game in the final minutes. Show him who the real shithead is. Push him!
:thumbs: "Asshat" is one of my favorite words. Use it often to describe idiots because it sounds more creative that "idiots."
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just an all-around unfortunate incident. highlights (lowlights?) what was an otherwise great day of big 12 basketball
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Doug Gottlieb ?@GottliebShow 9s
Jeff Orr, Tech’s #1 fan…so?My experience, take worst people in your league,multiply by 100,u have Tech fans-still can’tpush em Marcus
Doug is so hott.
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I'm sure old dude said something mumped up. And Smart gave the guy exactly what he wanted.
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http://today.ttu.edu/2010/03/texas-tech-basketball-fan-extraordinaire/
Did they delete that page in the last 10 minutes? I'm having to look at the google cache'd version.
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just an all-around unfortunate incident. highlights (lowlights?) what was an otherwise great day of big 12 basketball
no way. the only unfortunate thing is it didnt happen in the bram. weird robert would have landed 14 rows back.
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Shouldn't have been a technical.
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Ryan Aber ?@ryaber 15m
Sure this has been said but OSU radio said immediately after the incident that Smart told the OSU coaches that the fan said THE word
:curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:
:chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw:
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FFS, if he actually did say THE word, it will be a shame if Smart gets suspended.
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omg The Word :love:
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Shouldn't have been a technical.
@ms3trim would've gone for the throat
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that tweet should go in the word
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
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If I were Marcus, I'd say that's what the fan said too.
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
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http://today.ttu.edu/2010/03/texas-tech-basketball-fan-extraordinaire/
Did they delete that page in the last 10 minutes? I'm having to look at the google cache'd version.
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Alum Jeff Orr traveled 15,100 miles in 2009 to see the Red Raider basketball team play.
Texas Tech Basketball Fan Extraordinaire
In a display of true spirit, one Red Raider fan stands out among the rest.
So, you think you’re a big Texas Tech sports fan? Consider Jeff Orr. The 1983 Texas Tech graduate drives roundtrip from Waco to Lubbock for just about every Red Raider basketball game. He also makes most away games and he’s a serious football fan as well.
That translates into 32,000 miles in 2008 – 22,600 driving and 9,800 flying. In 2009, the totals are 15,100 miles – 13,900 in a car and 1,200 in the air. Orr has traveled to 31 states and Washington, D.C., for basketball and 20 states for football games.
“I drive to most games,” he said. “I drove to Lubbock 19 times in 2008 and 15 times in 2009. Most of the time, we drive in for the game and go home the same day. I fly to the far away games, though.”
A Crazy Hobby?
Is Orr crazy? No, he’s a perfectly normal Red Raider who happens to really, really love his basketball team. His response to the “crazy” question: “I agree with them, I guess. This is my hobby. I don’t hunt, fish, golf or any other normal guy activities. I just sort of follow the team around.”
It’s a hobby the basketball team and coaches appreciate.
“Jeff is unbelievable,” said Head Coach Pat Knight. “He means a lot to us and we try to take care of him. He’s always there for us, win or lose. It’s great to know that when we arrive at an away game, he’ll be there to meet us. We can always count on Jeff.”
A Tradition is Born
At this season’s home game against Texas, he sat in his regular seat under the north basket dressed in a referee’s striped shirt.
“I always wear the referee’s shirt to the UT game, I’ve done it since I was a Court Jester,” Orr said. “I don’t know where I got the idea, but I’d wear the striped shirt under my jacket and when the refs mad a bad call, I’d rip my jacket off and start helping the refs.”
Orr says his love for the game began during the years he played trombone in the Court Jesters, the all-volunteer band that plays for every home basketball game.
“I played for about three years and the band went to every Southwest Conference Tournament. I guess that was the start. I just kept going to games after I graduated,” he said.
Orr turned his petroleum engineering degree into a job at a Dallas oil company, which lasted until 1986 when oil prices crashed. He knocked around for a while and then landed the job he has today, air traffic controller in Waco.
Basketball vs. Football
Although it’s his first love, he doesn’t limit his devotion to basketball; he’s a major football fan who’s been to every Texas Tech bowl game since 1986. As a matter of fact, in 2007-2008, a couple of football games got in the way of basketball. Jeff and his wife Becky started the season in Anchorage at the Great Alaska Shoot Out.
“But I actually missed two basketball games that season because they conflicted with football,” he said. “The first game of the season was the same day we played UT in Austin and I thought the football team might win, so I went there. Then I went to the Gator Bowl New Year’s Day and missed that game.”
Becky managed to make both of those basketball games.
Jeff and Becky didn’t meet at a sporting event, however, she is a sports fan and knew exactly what she was getting into when she started dating Orr.
“Our first date was to the Texas Tech – Nebraska game when they beat us 56 to 3,” he said laughing. “I told her I didn’t care what the score was, I wasn’t leaving until it was over.”
No Favorites
He may be the Red Raiders’ number one fan, but he doesn’t have favorite players or games. “There have just been too many great times,” he said.
But when pressed, he does point to the excitement of Coach Bob Knight coming to Texas Tech and to the ’96 season, the last one for the Southwest Conference, when Texas Tech went 30 and two for the season.
“I was in North Carolina when Darvin Ham broke the backboard,” he said. “That was something. I have some small pieces of the glass mounted in a display case with the cover of Sports Illustrated picturing Darvin breaking the board.”
It’s a lot of driving and flying, but Orr doesn’t seem to mind. And he has no intention of stopping.
“I don’t know. I guess I’ll always do this,” he said.
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If I were Marcus, I'd say that's what the fan said too.
:jerk:
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what if they are forced to put a cage around the court in Lubbock :love:
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omg The Word :love:
Racist.
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
Dr. King my ass, this isn't about civil rights simp. It's about saying the most hateful thing you can to someone and expecting to walk away with no implications. If Smart doesn't shove him no one every knows what a terrible human he is. Now they do.
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Ryan Aber ?@ryaber 15m
Sure this has been said but OSU radio said immediately after the incident that Smart told the OSU coaches that the fan said THE word
:curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:
:chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw:
How do we know marcus wasn't "word" flopping?
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Like, do you guys even need to post that what smart did was dumb? Obvs, but those gross tech fans truly look like pieces of crap. This blogs stance will always be to take a hard line against fat, gross, almost certainly extremely racist bad persons.
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what if they are forced to put a cage around the court in Lubbock :love:
Nah. No cage needed. Just ban Jeff Orr from the arena. Problem solved.
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If I were Marcus, I'd say that's what the fan said too.
:jerk:
I'm not saying the fan didn't say that. He may have. But if the fan just cussed me out, made reference to my mom, or whatever, and then I shoved him, I'd tell everyone that the guy called me the n word. It'd be in my best interest to do so.
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Ryan Aber ?@ryaber 15m
Sure this has been said but OSU radio said immediately after the incident that Smart told the OSU coaches that the fan said THE word
:curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:
:chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw:
How do we know marcus wasn't "word" flopping?
wut
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I'm sure old dude said something mumped up. And Smart gave the guy exactly what he wanted.
Dude, eff that guy. Seriously.
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I'm sure old dude said something mumped up. And Smart gave the guy exactly what he wanted.
Dude, eff that guy. Seriously.
I mean, I'm with you. No excuse to say crap like that as a fan, especially as a grown man. Also no excuse to shove a fan as a player. There's no good guy in this scenario.
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
Dr. King my ass, this isn't about civil rights simp. It's about saying the most hateful thing you can to someone and expecting to walk away with no implications. If Smart doesn't shove him no one every knows what a terrible human he is. Now they do.
Hey simp, that you? You're being a simp for thinking you know what was said. You can't possibly know with any certainty at this point in time. In any case, don't you listen to Jesus?
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someone call him a thug. SOMEONE CALL HIM A THUG.
OK, I'll do it. Man, that fan is a THUG! :sdeek:
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Smart is dumb.
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Somebody edit that GIF thing, this is what was said....
Orr - "Hey Marcus, got an extra hot dog, you want it?"
jumps up, turns around
Smart - "where is it?"
Orr - "Sorry don't have one, just teasing because we are going to beat you"
*Shove*
edit...oh and Smart is an idiot but that tuck is a loser.
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If this happened at ood with no racist talk, I would be proud of this fan.
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Lukecat
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So this Orr dude became interested in Tech sports when he played trombone there? No knock on musicians (Mrs. Bones just happens to be one), but I'll bet this guy has never played any real competitive basketball in his life. Kind of like the squawk t-shirt fans.
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So this Orr dude became interested in Tech sports when he played trombone there? No knock on musicians (Mrs. Bones just happens to be one), but I'll bet this guy has never played any real competitive basketball in his life. Kind of like the squawk t-shirt fans.
possible that he's a squawk that got separated from the flock and has been lost a few years? would explain the racism
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
Dr. King my ass, this isn't about civil rights simp. It's about saying the most hateful thing you can to someone and expecting to walk away with no implications. If Smart doesn't shove him no one every knows what a terrible human he is. Now they do.
Hey simp, that you? You're being a simp for thinking you know what was said. You can't possibly know with any certainty at this point in time. In any case, don't you listen to Jesus?
My whole statement was predicated on an 'if' statement. Also, read the old testament, God would fully condone my answer. Keep working on your quips chief.
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Whatever was said, no matter how bad, as an athlete you do not do this. Period. I have no doubt the tech guy was out of line with what he said. As a former athlete(same goes for HS sports) you do not go all Ron Artest on the crowd. Period.
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Doug Gottlieb ?@GottliebShow 1m
Jeff Orr to a #TexasTech friend of mine via text "I kinda let my mouth say something I shouldn't have,I feel bad" #MarcusSmart
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How can you expect to be a pro if you let an old person hurt your feelings with words during a game.
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are you reading this thread, kat kid? it's an obsession verging on disease. have fun with it, i'll be in europe.
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How many millions will this year cost Smart? Not even sure he's still a first round pick. :dunno:
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
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Who the eff would ever travel that much to watch Tech basketball? What a loser.
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Who the eff would ever travel that much to watch Tech basketball? What a loser.
this
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Probably just spoke the truth and said Smart is a garbage basketball player and OSU is trash at basketball.
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Who the eff would ever travel that much to watch Tech basketball? What a loser.
this
this x 1,000
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
Dr. King my ass, this isn't about civil rights simp. It's about saying the most hateful thing you can to someone and expecting to walk away with no implications. If Smart doesn't shove him no one every knows what a terrible human he is. Now they do.
Hey simp, that you? You're being a simp for thinking you know what was said. You can't possibly know with any certainty at this point in time. In any case, don't you listen to Jesus?
My whole statement was predicated on an 'if' statement. Also, read the old testament, God would fully condone my answer. Keep working on your quips chief.
Then I think that you are, conditionally, a dumbass. I have read the old testament, Mr. Ham, and the answers are not in Genesis.
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
Wtf, guy?
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:popcorn:
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
Wtf, guy?
Someone explain what #life just said.
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
Dr. King my ass, this isn't about civil rights simp. It's about saying the most hateful thing you can to someone and expecting to walk away with no implications. If Smart doesn't shove him no one every knows what a terrible human he is. Now they do.
Hey simp, that you? You're being a simp for thinking you know what was said. You can't possibly know with any certainty at this point in time. In any case, don't you listen to Jesus?
My whole statement was predicated on an 'if' statement. Also, read the old testament, God would fully condone my answer. Keep working on your quips chief.
Then I think that you are, conditionally, a dumbass. I have read the old testament, Mr. Ham, and the answers are not in Genesis.
The old testament didn't do much to change you as a human being i see
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welp, shut it down
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Good grief, what is going on here
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I literally have no idea what's happening.
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
well hey man I just copied the tweet
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Yeah, if he went full on racist I see no problem going full on MIR on that guy. eff him.
Nope. And Dr. King would disagree, as well. Don't disrespect this month.
Dr. King my ass, this isn't about civil rights simp. It's about saying the most hateful thing you can to someone and expecting to walk away with no implications. If Smart doesn't shove him no one every knows what a terrible human he is. Now they do.
Hey simp, that you? You're being a simp for thinking you know what was said. You can't possibly know with any certainty at this point in time. In any case, don't you listen to Jesus?
My whole statement was predicated on an 'if' statement. Also, read the old testament, God would fully condone my answer. Keep working on your quips chief.
Then I think that you are, conditionally, a dumbass. I have read the old testament, Mr. Ham, and the answers are not in Genesis.
The old testament didn't do much to change you as a human being i see
The old testament made me this way.... :curse:
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Hey guys, don't talk bad about a person if he's black because you're a racist rough ridin' cracker mother rough rider
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
well hey man I just copied the tweet
Lol
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
this is a fan-rough ridin'-tastic first post
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Hey guys, don't talk bad about a person if he's black because you're a racist rough ridin' cracker mother rough rider
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also, if you are a guaranteed first rounder, go to the NBA. ALWAYS.
Also, Frank would have been good for Smart. too bad.
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Gottlieb needs to STFU, on occasion.
I love when Gottlieb starts posting at 1 am and loses his filter.
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
this is a fan-rough ridin'-tastic first post
Gracias Amigo
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
this is a fan-rough ridin'-tastic first post
a real silver lining in all of this
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
Post the texts, please.
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
Post the texts, please.
Mueller - counting on my flopper tonight. Don't let me down
Smart - chill...I got this
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well that was a let down
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I've got this figured out. Jeff Orr is Batt BcKee's dad. Confirmed texts between Smart and Mueller.
Post the texts, please.
Mueller - counting on my flopper tonight. Don't let me down
Smart - chill...I got this
Post actual images of the texts, please. That's the norm here.
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also, if you are a guaranteed first rounder, go to the NBA. ALWAYS.
Also, Frank would have been good for Smart. too bad.
Yes. Ford is what everyone thought we would be with walker and Beasley.
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also, if you are a guaranteed first rounder, go to the NBA. ALWAYS.
Also, Frank would have been good for Smart. too bad.
Yes. Ford is what everyone thought we would be with walker and Beasley.
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Never thought of that, great comparo.
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Rumors are that Jeff Orr may not have use the N word. He supposedly told Smart to "go back to Africa".
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I'm glad that Jeff Orr did not graduate from Kansas State.
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Yes. Ford is what everyone thought we (Frank) would be with walker and Beasley.
Yes, I think this is accurate.
And Smart is going to be the poster child for why you should go early if you can be a 1st round.
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Rumors are that Jeff Orr may not have use the N word. He supposedly told Smart to "go back to Africa".
"Return to Kenya"
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Rumors are that Jeff Orr may not have use the N word. He supposedly told Smart to "go back to Africa".
What a piece of trash.
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Rumors are that Jeff Orr may not have use the N word. He supposedly told Smart to "go back to Africa".
What a piece of trash.
Trash is correct.
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And yet another ESPN take on all of this.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/93744/one-shove-could-ruin-smarts-reputation
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And yet another ESPN take on all of this.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/93744/one-shove-could-ruin-smarts-reputation
Not a bad read. It is sad more than anything.
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And yet another ESPN take on all of this.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/93744/one-shove-could-ruin-smarts-reputation
Not a bad read. It is sad more than anything.
Agreed.
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Man I'm glad for his sake #LIFE stopped posting, that sounds like a guy who thinks it should be okay to say n-word because they say it in rap music.
I didn't for a second think that that guy called Smart a n-word. When I heard Ford say he didn't know what happened that was the first indication that he thought what Orr said to Smart didn't justify what happened. If that guy called Smart a n-word or told him to go back to Africa & Ford didn't defend his player he should be fired tomorrow.
I can't stand Marcus Smart but his suspension shouldn't exceed 1 game.
The ESPN coverage of this is absolutely embarrassing, a low point for sports media, makes me sad to be a j-school grad.
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Shouldn't have been a technical.
Big 12 coordinator of officials Curtis Shaw told ESPN that the officials don't have jurisdiction to eject a player who is involved in an altercation with a fan.
"There is no precedent for that," Shaw said. "Our rules are for flagrant (foul) 1 or 2. We don't have grounds for dealing with a fan. We don't have a rule to get involved when the player is involved with a fan. We don't know what was said. The official, Doug Sirmons, didn't know what was said."
Shaw said anything involving a fan is up to the host school.
"That's up to the security of the home team and the conference," Shaw said. "We've never had a fan with a player incident before."
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Well we know that last sentence is incorrect.
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Orr totally flopped.
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
Wtf, guy?
Someone explain what #life just said.
#LIFE-" I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."
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Gottlieb needs to STFU, on occasion.
The phog comes out of you when a media member doesn’t suck ku's dick enough. Sad really
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
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Also should have been thrown out of the game, I don't care that there was only 6 sec left. Embarrassed for big12 refs
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Regardless of what the fan in question said (it was obviously wrong), Marcus Smart is absolutely 100% wrong for the way he handled it and there really isn't a positive way to spin what he did.
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I dunno, I just feel bad for Marcus. He's collapsing under the pressure.
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I don't buy the racist angle. If you watch the video the two guys helping smart up don't react at all. If he had dropped an N-bomb or told smart to "go back to Africa" I would imagine their heads would've snapped.
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You can see Smart call the guy a racist mother rough rider right after he gets T'd up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NdJahHN0w&sns=tw
That old man is a special kind of crap human.
Is everyone in Lubbock like that? :dunno:
Pretty much. Tech fans are the worst.
Missouri's Antlers say hi.
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The extremes on both sides are idiots so far. From Smart needing to be kicked off team to banning that fan. Lol give me a break
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This does not change how I felt about Smart one iota. It makes me think Ttech fans are ugly tho
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Seems people outside the US are pretty squarely on team marcus. Pretty significant reach for a college basketball story, overall.
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You know a thread has derailed when Seven is providing levity to the convo.
Also, Smart is a sociopath, nothing he says can be taken as true. will need video or audio or witness to confirm what he actually said (as if it matters, you don't run into the stands Artest).
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I dunno, I just feel bad for Marcus. He's collapsing under the pressure.
A little. ya. and his teammates aren't helping. Cobbins being lost for the year was a horrible break. Otherwise, Smart brings a lot of this on himself because because they know they can get to him.
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Are the tech fans really that different?
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crap happens. shouldn't have gotten t'd, should just get one game suspension from league. fan should not be allowed back for the rest of the season.
like, think about all the crap that gets said at a game towards players - would half of that get said if it was just one fan and one player on a sidewalk? there are repercussions for talking crap - and there are consequences for those repercussions. I'm fine with both.
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I dunno, I just feel bad for Marcus. He's collapsing under the pressure.
A little. ya. and his teammates aren't helping. Cobbins being lost for the year was a horrible break. Otherwise, Smart brings a lot of this on himself because because they know they can get to him.
A lot of this falls on Travis Ford. Not the individual situation, that's a punk fan and a bad reaction from Smart, but Ford's overall control of this team and not handling losing Cobbins. That certainly changed OSU's outlook as far as winning the league, but there is too much talent there for them to slide like they are now.
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Travis Ford completely losing his team would be a bigger story if Scott Drew was not also coaching in the Big 12.
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Travis Ford completely losing his team would be a bigger story if Scott Drew was not also coaching in the Big 12.
True, that's a mess too.
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crap happens. shouldn't have gotten t'd, should just get one game suspension from league. fan should not be allowed back for the rest of the season.
like, think about all the crap that gets said at a game towards players - would half of that get said if it was just one fan and one player on a sidewalk? there are repercussions for talking crap - and there are consequences for those repercussions. I'm fine with both.
Agreed on the fan. Fat eff wouldn't say crap, outside of a sporting event. No repercussions for fans. Dude should be ejected and banned from venue, if his comments warrant it.
But, crap gets said by opposing players too. Go after somebody on the court, you'll deal with the consequences.
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I feel sorry for Marcus Smart.
I don't understand the "you can never touch a fan" stuff. Sure you can. However, there are consequences. Just like in every other aspect of life. The conversation should be about whether violence is ever OK, not about entertainers and fans.
The guy just snapped. That's all. Many others have surely been close to doing the same, and many have snapped themselves at some point in their lives. I've been pretty close before. I feel sorry for Marcus Smart. He should be making millions in the NBA right now...he must feel like he's being used.
Travis Ford is a piece of crap for letting Marcus come back. A selfish hunk of garbage that took advantage of a kid for his own gain.
eff you, Travis Ford, a large part of this is on you.
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crap happens. shouldn't have gotten t'd, should just get one game suspension from league. fan should not be allowed back for the rest of the season.
like, think about all the crap that gets said at a game towards players - would half of that get said if it was just one fan and one player on a sidewalk? there are repercussions for talking crap - and there are consequences for those repercussions. I'm fine with both.
Agreed on the fan. Fat eff wouldn't say crap, outside of a sporting event. No repercussions for fans. Dude should be ejected and banned from venue, if his comments warrant it.
But, crap gets said by opposing players too. Go after somebody on the court, you'll deal with the consequences.
I agree with both you and Zacker on this. Will be interesting to see if Tech does anything about this.
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Celebrity tag team match.. DMX and smart vs Orr and Zimmerman..
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Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird. Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did.....maybe the TV guy trying to help Marcus up would know what was said.
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lol
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergroves/2014/02/09/the-marcus-smart-fan-push-what-stops-the-next-time/
Also, some team is gonna get Smart at a good value. (although I've never really been sold that his game would translate well to the NBA.)
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FFS, if he actually did say THE word, it will be a shame if Smart gets suspended.
What was said should have no bearing on it Who gives a eff what the guy said? Jesus Christ people get some thicker skin.
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FFS, if he actually did say THE word, it will be a shame if Smart gets suspended.
What was said should have no bearing on it Who gives a eff what the guy said? Jesus Christ people get some thicker skin.
yep. they are just words. people need to quit being so touchy. you rough ridin' stupid [redacted]. just words, bro.
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What the fan said should have a lot of bearing on how big of a POS the fan is.
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I mean, we are discussing both the player and the fan here right?
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What the fan said should have a lot of bearing on how big of a POS the fan is.
And? Who said it shouldn't?
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I mean, we are discussing both the player and the fan here right?
Totally
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What the fan said should have a lot of bearing on how big of a POS the fan is.
I have been looking for a credible report of what the fan said, anyone find one yet?
Very interested in seeing this.
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Who cares? The guy's a proven dick. 2/3's of any student section has made far worse hand gestures. A lot of people (not saying you are) keep throwing around that image/video as if to prove he is racist or something.
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Doug GottliebVerified account
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Text convo from my Tech friend w/Orr- Orr is Tech's biggest fan-everyone knows him, he goes to every game
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https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/432395633962405890/photo/1
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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Posted on Facebook by a Tech fan:
As a Texas Tech fan IN LUBBOCK, I can tell you the fan Marcus Smart pushed is an obnoxious douche. Even Texas Tech fans hate that dude. His wife is even worse. He DIDN'T call him "the n word," he was just talking trash like he does at EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. Almost makes us not want to buy season tickets.
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Is Smart from Africa?
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
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Is Smart from Africa?
Texas. Same place as Jeff Orr, it would seem. :dunno:
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Travis Ford completely losing his team would be a bigger story if Scott Drew was not also coaching in the Big 12.
Scott Drew being a clown show doesn't effect the conference like Ford's ineptitude does.
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
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Smart cost his team a shot at the game which I think was his biggest mistake.
Seems like the fan isn't someone I would want representing my University if I was Tech. Judging by how close he is to the court and other fan/player comments, Tech had to know and should've removed him long ago. Their willingness to cash his season ticket check at the expense of the opposing 18-22 year olds led to this as much as anything.
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Orr totally flopped.
Great post
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So the grey-haired hag on the right is saying "You suck," right"
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Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird. Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did....
Again I'd like to point out that Travis Ford's reaction leads me to believe that he didn't think Smart's explanation of what Orr said merited him standing up for his player. Smart spent a significant amount of time on camera explaining his view of what happened, not to mention what else he told Ford in the locker room. Travis Ford looked at those cameras and said "I'm not sure what happened." If it turns out and proven that this man told Smart to go back to Africa and Ford didn't defend Smart, I'll go to Stillwater and pack Ford's crap for him.
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Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird. Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did....
Again I'd like to point out that Travis Ford's reaction leads me to believe that he didn't think Smart's explanation of what Orr said merited him standing up for his player. Smart spent a significant amount of time on camera explaining his view of what happened, not to mention what else he told Ford in the locker room. Travis Ford looked at those cameras and said "I'm not sure what happened." If it turns out and proven that this man told Smart to go back to Africa and Ford didn't defend Smart, I'll go to Stillwater and pack Ford's crap for him.
Grab my long-missing hoodie if you come across it.
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lol
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergroves/2014/02/09/the-marcus-smart-fan-push-what-stops-the-next-time/
Also, some team is gonna get Smart at a good value. (although I've never really been sold that his game would translate well to the NBA.)
He's a point guard who can't shoot, doesn't have excellent handle, nor hasn't shown himself adept at setting up his teammates. His perceived draft stock is one of life's great mysteries.
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Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird. Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did....
Again I'd like to point out that Travis Ford's reaction leads me to believe that he didn't think Smart's explanation of what Orr said merited him standing up for his player. Smart spent a significant amount of time on camera explaining his view of what happened, not to mention what else he told Ford in the locker room. Travis Ford looked at those cameras and said "I'm not sure what happened." If it turns out and proven that this man told Smart to go back to Africa and Ford didn't defend Smart, I'll go to Stillwater and pack Ford's crap for him.
I think you are going to be going to Stillwater.
What in the world makes you think Ford is not a gutless prick who wouldn't defend the player he duped into forgoing millions and who has been causing him frustrations this year?
I'd be more shocked to see Ford stand up for his player, frankly.
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Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird. Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did....
Again I'd like to point out that Travis Ford's reaction leads me to believe that he didn't think Smart's explanation of what Orr said merited him standing up for his player. Smart spent a significant amount of time on camera explaining his view of what happened, not to mention what else he told Ford in the locker room. Travis Ford looked at those cameras and said "I'm not sure what happened." If it turns out and proven that this man told Smart to go back to Africa and Ford didn't defend Smart, I'll go to Stillwater and pack Ford's crap for him.
I think you are going to be going to Stillwater.
What in the world makes you think Ford is not a gutless prick who wouldn't defend the player he duped into forgoing millions and who has been causing him frustrations this year?
I'd be more shocked to see Ford stand up for his player, frankly.
Great point, pete
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I don't have a problem with smart shoving a racist west texas hillbilly for telling him to go back to Africa. No way he avoids a suspension though, probably one game.
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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The lady on the left is the worst ever, I hope she gets gangrene or frostbite and her hands fall off. Get out of his face, hag. I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
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I don't have a problem with smart shoving a racist west texas hillbilly for telling him to go back to Africa. No way he avoids a suspension though, probably one game.
CENTRAL Texas hillbilly. Dude is an air traffic controller from Waco.
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I would be stunned if it's revealed that this man said something racist.
The most disappointing aspect of this for me outside of how despicable Travis Ford acted is Gottlieb's snitchin. I think less of him now.
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Remind me to never fly into Waco
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I would be stunned if it's revealed that this man said something racist.
The most disappointing aspect of this for me outside of how despicable Travis Ford acted is Gottlieb's snitchin. I think less of him now.
Snitching? Do you mean the text thing?
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Yes
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Gottlieb got it from the person texting with Jeff Orr
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Yeah. If anything, it's Doug's friend who is the snitch. He's the one who screen shotted his texts and sent them to a member of the media who also happens to be an OSU fan.
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OSU's next three games are at Texas, OU at home, then Tech at home.
:popcorn:
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Gottlieb got it from the person texting with Jeff Orr
Right, but it's safe to assume his "friend" is a member of the Texas Tech media, right?
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Gottlieb got it from the person texting with Jeff Orr
I thought the guy put Gottlieb in contact with Orr on first read
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Yeah. If anything, it's Doug's friend who is the snitch. He's the one who screen shotted his texts and sent them to a member of the media who also happens to be an OSU fan.
He isn't obligated to share that info.
I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Gottlieb got it from the person texting with Jeff Orr
Right, but it's safe to assume his "friend" is a member of the Texas Tech media, right?
The only basis for assuming that is to justify what you think, we've gotten no evidence at all to make that a reasonable assumption
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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The lady on the left is the worst ever, I hope she gets gangrene or frostbite and her hands fall off. Get out of his face, hag. I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
Looks like she's tells him to "eat crap." Not to mention the other hag wagging her finger in Smart's face. If Smart's push results in those three being banned from any future tech or big 12 event, then the suspension is worth it. It's pretty clear all three were trying to provoke him, but they're dumb enough to assume he wasn't going to react.
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I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Yeah. If anything, it's Doug's friend who is the snitch. He's the one who screen shotted his texts and sent them to a member of the media who also happens to be an OSU fan.
He isn't obligated to share that info.
I think if this guy is texting with a media personality, he can go ahead and assume its not a private conversation
Gottlieb got it from the person texting with Jeff Orr
Right, but it's safe to assume his "friend" is a member of the Texas Tech media, right?
The only basis for assuming that is to justify what you think, we've gotten no evidence at all to make that a reasonable assumption
Yeah, I can't make that assumption with any amount of real confidence, but it sure makes sense to me. :dunno:
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If Orr really thinks he was wronged, he can report getting shoved to the police and/or file a civil action and it'll all get worked out in the legal system. The whole story can come out that way. It's not a basketball event for which Smart should be getting basketball-punished for.
Smart will also now face consequences one way or the other in the free market.
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Interesting story on how the "go back to Africa" statement got around the inernet...
http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
That's thanks to BlackSportsOnline, LostLettermen, and ESPN SportsCenter anchor Stuart Scott, all of whom have pushed the story. It starts with WDAF in Kansas City, which tweeted out the following at 1:30 a.m. EST Sunday morning:
FOX 4 Sports ? @fox4sports
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We haven't done the total CSI type analysis, but it appears this is what TTech superfan Jeff Orr says to Marcus Smart: "go back to ------".
Kansas City is 700 miles from Lubbock, and WDAF's own newscast only reported the secondhand claim that Smart accused Orr of calling him a "n-word." The WDAF tweet is simply amateur lipreading off ESPN's video. Here's where the game of Internet Telephone begins, and we've highlighted the tweets we believe warped one local sports guy's opinion into "fact":
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Interesting story on how the "go back to Africa" statement got around the inernet...
http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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Wait, did they censor the word "Africa"?
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A lot of fans feel like they have this imaginary line where they can say whatever they want to players, without any consequences. It's bullshit. You wanna be a big boy, crap talker? Fine, but I'm going to laugh my ass off when you get mushed in your fat, bigoted face.
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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The lady on the left is the worst ever, I hope she gets gangrene or frostbite and her hands fall off. Get out of his face, hag. I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
Yeah, MIR. Those ladies are the worst. Absolute trash.
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Speaking of, I think it would be pretty funny to see sleeveless Will mush Trim in the face on senior night. :ROFL:
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Gottlieb seems to have Smart's back
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow
Smart went from 'dead or in jail' to Oklahoma State's selfless general usat.ly/10reR3S -- Read back story on Marcus Smart
I like Gottlieb a bunch, so I am inclined to take Smart's side in this, if there are "sides" to be taken.
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I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
really knocked it out of the park here with the smell-o-vision :Yuck:
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Like, if you ever find yourself in your 50's and your main form of entertainment is following a shitty basketball program around and antagonizing 19 year old's with your terrible hag wife, it may be time to just check out.
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Like, if you ever find yourself in your 50's and your main form of entertainment is following a shitty basketball program around and antagonizing 19 year old's with your terrible hag wife, it may be time to just check out.
Yeah, you can't excuse the shove, but this interaction says a lot more about Mr. Orr than it does about Marcus Smart.
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Like, if you ever find yourself in your 50's and your main form of entertainment is following a shitty basketball program around and antagonizing 19 year old's with your terrible hag wife, it may be time to just check out.
Yeah, you can't excuse the shove, but this interaction says a lot more about Mr. Orr than it does about Marcus Smart.
Says a lot about those stupid bitches too.
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Like, if you ever find yourself in your 50's and your main form of entertainment is following a shitty basketball program around and antagonizing 19 year old's with your terrible hag wife, it may be time to just check out.
Yeah, you can't excuse the shove, but this interaction says a lot more about Mr. Orr than it does about Marcus Smart.
Says a lot about those stupid bitches too.
Yes, those two as well. Quite a trio of fans.
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Speaking of, I think it would be pretty funny to see sleeveless Will mush Trim in the face on senior night. :ROFL:
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What if Orr was majorly pakd?
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lol
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergroves/2014/02/09/the-marcus-smart-fan-push-what-stops-the-next-time/
Also, some team is gonna get Smart at a good value. (although I've never really been sold that his game would translate well to the NBA.)
He's a point guard who can't shoot, doesn't have excellent handle, nor hasn't shown himself adept at setting up his teammates. His perceived draft stock is one of life's great mysteries.
I completely agree with this sentiment.
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I don't think he will be a star in the NBA or even a starter but I think he is someone who could run a second unit well. That for me would probably be good enough to take him somewhere just outside the lottery, which is where I would expect to see him after this season.
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Central Texas Cat :frown:
Waco tho
our dirty secret is that austin is segregated as crap due to redlining :(
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5000-15000 fans scream horrific crap at college bballers during warmups all game and on the way off the court every day of the season. WGAF what Orr said. Smart left the court and went after a fan. That is outrageous and punishable.
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
i have heard zero from espn on this. i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.
and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player? that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands. what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team. there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.
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Interesting story on how the "go back to Africa" statement got around the inernet...
http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
That's thanks to BlackSportsOnline, LostLettermen, and ESPN SportsCenter anchor Stuart Scott, all of whom have pushed the story. It starts with WDAF in Kansas City, which tweeted out the following at 1:30 a.m. EST Sunday morning:
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We haven't done the total CSI type analysis, but it appears this is what TTech superfan Jeff Orr says to Marcus Smart: "go back to ------".
Kansas City is 700 miles from Lubbock, and WDAF's own newscast only reported the secondhand claim that Smart accused Orr of calling him a "n-word." The WDAF tweet is simply amateur lipreading off ESPN's video. Here's where the game of Internet Telephone begins, and we've highlighted the tweets we believe warped one local sports guy's opinion into "fact":
LOL at rough ridin' deadspin. Let's just single out them and not deadspin which had a post on it too... or twitter itself. jfc.
also, in the gif i saw, it looks like the guys is backing down or saying sorry. I haven't seen the full one yet.
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
i have heard zero from espn on this. i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.
and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player? that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands. what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team. there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.
Smart was in the stands because of a play he made on the court. Saying he is wrong because he was in the stands is not paying attention to that.
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
i have heard zero from espn on this. i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.
and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player? that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands. what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team. there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.
Smart was in the stands because of a play he made on the court. Saying he is wrong because he was in the stands is not paying attention to that.
well that's just being thick. obviously no one has a problem when a player goes into the stands for a loose ball or after making a play. the fact that he got up and walked further into the stands is the point here. he didn't land on that dudes lap, he was 3 or 4 steps from him.
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also, in the gif i saw, it looks like the guys is backing down or saying sorry. I haven't seen the full one yet.
I'm pretty sure everyone noticed that. It's kind of hilarious to see what that dumbasses reaction is when something he probably had never considered happening (the 19 year old he's antagonizing possibly beating his ass in front of terrible hag wife), and how quickly he goes from idiot bigot to hands up saying he's sorry. I can almost promise you he's not a good person.
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If he had continued to yell in smarts face then at least you could respect that he had some conviction to his dumbassery
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It's not like Orr flicked a red hot penny at him
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Oklahoma State news conference slated for 5 pm CT, and sources told ESPN that Big 12 expected to make announcement prior to presser.
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Smart should have been suspended for flopping long ago(in the NBA they fine you, can't fine a college player). If this is what finally gets him, so be it.
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If fans have the right to do whatever they want to a player in the stands, they shouldn't put the stands so close to the court where someone ends up there a couple times a game. Fans are there to watch the players. The player ended up in the stands after making a basketball play and some assholes took advantage and started heckling him. At that point, Smart reacted.
In your analogy, a fan comes on the court to start crap. A more accurate analogy would be a fan falling on the court from the stands and Smart running up and heckling him.
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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The lady on the left is the worst ever, I hope she gets gangrene or frostbite and her hands fall off. Get out of his face, hag. I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
Looks like she's tells him to "eat crap." Not to mention the other hag wagging her finger in Smart's face. If Smart's push results in those three being banned from any future tech or big 12 event, then the suspension is worth it. It's pretty clear all three were trying to provoke him, but they're dumb enough to assume he wasn't going to react.
Smart put himself in that position after he got up...should have just ran back on the court...nope, fat tuck said something he didn't like so he decided to step up to the fans instead....which depending on what was said, was justified.
If we are banning fans for saying things, the dudes I have heard in the front row of the student section would be gone months ago.
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
i have heard zero from espn on this. i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.
and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player? that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands. what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team. there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.
Your example isn't precise because Smart wasn't trespassing, a fan in your case would be trespassing and should be arrested. Your usage of the phrase extremely dangerous is amazingly dramatic and disingenuous. He shoved a dude, thats all it is & making more of it is being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic. Hasn't every single person over the age of 10 shoved someone and been shoved without further escalation. Do you live in a bubble? Also there was no threat of anything else happening, in this thread alone there were two other documented similar incidences that have happened in the Big 12. You overdramatizing what Smart did is no different than people insisting Orr called Smart a n-word.
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If fans have the right to do whatever they want to a player in the stands, they shouldn't put the stands so close to the court where someone ends up there a couple times a game. Fans are there to watch the players. The player ended up in the stands after making a basketball play and some assholes took advantage and started heckling him. At that point, Smart reacted.
In your analogy, a fan comes on the court to start crap. A more accurate analogy would be a fan falling on the court from the stands and Smart running up and heckling him.
Nobody would be up in arms if Smart woofed back at him...it was kind of the push part after getting up and stepping closer to the fans that has peeps all :runaway:
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and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
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when did i say fans can do whatever they want? did me saying that i would ban that dude for life somehow get mixed around to you that i think he's at zero fault? and this whole strawman of players going into the stands on basketball plays is tiring. this incident wasn't because of a basketball play. do you think if smart had stopped himself against the padded goal he wouldn't have heard whatever he reacted to? he just got dunked on to (most likely) seal a loss. he reacted because he was frustrated and he's a bit of a dramatic, not because he was 2 feet off the court.
the amount of people here who think words are an excuse for violence is astounding.
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Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
i have heard zero from espn on this. i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.
and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player? that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands. what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team. there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.
Your example isn't precise because Smart wasn't trespassing, a fan in your case would be trespassing and should be arrested. Your usage of the phrase extremely dangerous is amazingly dramatic and disingenuous. He shoved a dude, thats all it is & making more of it is being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic. Hasn't every single person over the age of 10 shoved someone and been shoved without further escalation. Do you live in a bubble? Also there was no threat of anything else happening, in this thread alone there were two other documented similar incidences that have happened in the Big 12. You overdramatizing what Smart did is no different than people insisting Orr called Smart a n-word.
you're right, everyone in the world has shoved someone when outnumbered by several thousand.
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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The lady on the left is the worst ever, I hope she gets gangrene or frostbite and her hands fall off. Get out of his face, hag. I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
Looks like she's tells him to "eat crap." Not to mention the other hag wagging her finger in Smart's face. If Smart's push results in those three being banned from any future tech or big 12 event, then the suspension is worth it. It's pretty clear all three were trying to provoke him, but they're dumb enough to assume he wasn't going to react.
Smart put himself in that position after he got up...should have just ran back on the court...nope, fat tuck said something he didn't like so he decided to step up to the fans instead....which depending on what was said, was justified.
If we are banning fans for saying things, the dudes I have heard in the front row of the student section would be gone months ago.
No one should be yelling at athletes like they are animals in cages, you can't really tell people what they can and can't say but it would be nice if people could be clever without being crass.
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No one should be yelling at athletes like they are animals in cages
Exactly. It's pathetic.
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He's a point guard who can't shoot, doesn't have excellent handle, nor hasn't shown himself adept at setting up his teammates. His perceived draft stock is one of life's great mysteries.
i agree. people are going to blame his eventual draft position on this incident (and returning for a second year in general). he'll probably end up going about where he should. he's just not that good.
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No one should be yelling at athletes like they are animals in cages
Exactly. It's pathetic.
Heaven forbid, if a 19 year old emotional, competitive kid reacts badly.
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If allegations coming out of Lubbock are true, perhaps Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart can’t be blamed for shoving Texas Tech fan Jeff Orr at the end of Saturday’s game.
Toward the end of the Red Raiders’ win, Orr is rumored to have screamed at Smart, “Go back to Africa,” which prompted Smart’s shove and technical foul.
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The lady on the left is the worst ever, I hope she gets gangrene or frostbite and her hands fall off. Get out of his face, hag. I bet her breath smelled like coffee and Virginia Slims.
Looks like she's tells him to "eat crap." Not to mention the other hag wagging her finger in Smart's face. If Smart's push results in those three being banned from any future tech or big 12 event, then the suspension is worth it. It's pretty clear all three were trying to provoke him, but they're dumb enough to assume he wasn't going to react.
Smart put himself in that position after he got up...should have just ran back on the court...nope, fat tuck said something he didn't like so he decided to step up to the fans instead....which depending on what was said, was justified.
If we are banning fans for saying things, the dudes I have heard in the front row of the student section would be gone months ago.
No one should be yelling at athletes like they are animals in cages, you can't really tell people what they can and can't say but it would be nice if people could be clever without being crass.
Totally agree. I doubt anything those 3 said was clever.
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He's a point guard who can't shoot, doesn't have excellent handle, nor hasn't shown himself adept at setting up his teammates. His perceived draft stock is one of life's great mysteries.
i agree. people are going to blame his eventual draft position on this incident (and returning for a second year in general). he'll probably end up going about where he should. he's just not that good.
Never understood this either...seemed very Sherron Collin'ish...although think he works harder than Sherron ever did.
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I don't think this incident is particularly interesting. It was unfortunate and sad, but good grief that's all it was. Give him a game or two suspension and move on.
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Wait, did they censor the word "Africa"?
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it's the most hateful thing you can say to someone.
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I don't think this incident is particularly interesting. It was unfortunate and sad, but good grief that's all it was. Give him a game or two suspension and move on.
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
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No one should be yelling at athletes like they are animals in cages
Exactly. It's pathetic.
Heaven forbid, if a 19 year old emotional, competitive kid reacts badly.
Yes. And we should focus on how far the kids "draft stock" is going to fall because of this, not the complete insanity of a group of 50-some year old adults screaming and taunting in a 19 year olds face like crazed animals.
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
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Yeah kinda. You might just be a nice person tho.
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Just spoke w someone in Lubbock. Said he saw Jeff Orr after the game outside arena and Orr was insistent he did not say anything racial.
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can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
well, how old are you?
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I mean, how often do they discuss Oklahoma State bball in Europe and Indonesia? Prolly like every day.
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
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i don't think i've ever been shoved in a hateful way. sometimes bros rough house tho.
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and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?
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Maybe one of the OTHER trashy tech fans said something racial in addition to Orr's bad taunting....I mean Smart was all flopped on the ground trying to stand up...he has no idea who said what.
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No one should be yelling at athletes like they are animals in cages
Exactly. It's pathetic.
Heaven forbid, if a 19 year old emotional, competitive kid reacts badly.
Yes. And we should focus on how far the kids "draft stock" is going to fall because of this, not the complete insanity of a group of 50-some year old adults screaming and taunting in a 19 year olds face like crazed animals.
Honestly, I think the woman clapping and yelling in his face taunting him is the worst of the three from that gif. I hope she's embarrassed. I wouldn't be embarrassed if I were Marcus. He just made a mistake after an emotional loss to extend a frustrating losing streak. They had the nerve to kick him when he's down. eff them.
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can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?
Heroes
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
well, how old are you?
Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
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I don't think I've ever been the shover in a non-acceptable shoving situation. Feels like a couple un-smart people attempted to shove me before. Didn't hurt though.
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But remember guys, it's the made up "shoot the round ball in the basket game" so everyone is allowed to act like insane people. Smart shouldn't have fallen down next to them, I mean what else could they be expected to do in that situation.
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I think the TV guy attempting to pick up that dense fella is the unsung hero in this thing.
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can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?
Approved.
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Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.
10 is the cutoff, i'm afraid.
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Wait, did they censor the word "Africa"?
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To me, it looks like Smart interrupts him with his shove right before he says "Africa". If he planned to say that, all he got out was "go back to A...."
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Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.
10 is the cutoff, i'm afraid.
If you don't want to shove people you shouldn't. You should probably get shoved sometime though, just to see what it feels like.
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Wait, did they censor the word "Africa"?
To me, it looks like Smart interrupts him with his shove right before he says "Africa". If he planned to say that, all he got out was "go back to A...."
in the story, stevesie.
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Not even by some male genitals sucking kid at recess when you were a kid?
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kat kid, btw. take note of a member of the american media censoring the word africa.
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and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?
you didn't say that...but you did say it was a low point for sports media and made you sad, which is a little over the top, imo.
I agree mostly with this.
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/february/sportscenter-circles-the-wagons-on-marcus-smart.html
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and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?
Well, distance is irrelevant (re: 2200 miles). And a race controversy in college basketball (despite the decline in its national relevance) will almost always trump anything short of the miracle on ice at the Winter Olympics.
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can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?
Approved.
okay, that's all I needed. Smart should use the presser to challenge Orr to fifteen minutes of hell in a cell.
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I haven't had a lot of time to keep up lately, but I really enjoy sys' side comments to kk.
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the amount of people here who think words are an excuse for violence is astounding.
You are literally the only person in this thread that categorized what Smart did as violent. You seem uniquely unqualified to speak about this because you seem unwilling to distinguish a shove in the chest from a punch in the jaw from a stabbing in the stomach.
Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.
(I would never let the fan back in either)
We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.
The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.
i have heard zero from espn on this. i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.
and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player? that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands. what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team. there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.
Your example isn't precise because Smart wasn't trespassing, a fan in your case would be trespassing and should be arrested. Your usage of the phrase extremely dangerous is amazingly dramatic and disingenuous. He shoved a dude, thats all it is & making more of it is being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic. Hasn't every single person over the age of 10 shoved someone and been shoved without further escalation. Do you live in a bubble? Also there was no threat of anything else happening, in this thread alone there were two other documented similar incidences that have happened in the Big 12. You overdramatizing what Smart did is no different than people insisting Orr called Smart a n-word.
you're right, everyone in the world has shoved someone when outnumbered by several thousand.
Well it has happened and it has more than once, your dramatization of what could have happened has never been seen or read about in American sports by anyone reading this thread.
Why do you insist on being so dramatic about this, do you want Smart to serve jail time or something? What's your point?
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Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird. Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did....
Again I'd like to point out that Travis Ford's reaction leads me to believe that he didn't think Smart's explanation of what Orr said merited him standing up for his player. Smart spent a significant amount of time on camera explaining his view of what happened, not to mention what else he told Ford in the locker room. Travis Ford looked at those cameras and said "I'm not sure what happened." If it turns out and proven that this man told Smart to go back to Africa and Ford didn't defend Smart, I'll go to Stillwater and pack Ford's crap for him.
I'm still on pg. 8 so I'm not sure if this has been addressed, but :sdeek:
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
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You'd certainly be in the minority. Have you never played a contact sport or been in a crowded bar?
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Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.
10 is the cutoff, i'm afraid.
Footfalls echo in the memory, down the passage we did not take, towards the door we never opened, into the rose garden.
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Just saw this...
Oklahoma State has set a news conference for 5 pm CT today, spokesman told ESPN. Marcus Smart, Travis Ford, AD Mike Holder will all speak.
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QUIT PUSHING THIS STORY ESPN.
Last night Sportscenter did 19 minutes of a 44 minute broadcast on Marcus Smart including running the same Andy Katz segment twice.
and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?
you didn't say that...but you did say it was a low point for sports media and made you sad, which is a little over the top, imo.
I agree mostly with this.
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/february/sportscenter-circles-the-wagons-on-marcus-smart.html
:thumbs: you're 100% correct
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can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?
Approved.
okay, that's all I needed. Smart should use the presser to challenge Orr to fifteen minutes of hell in a cell.
Yep, I'm sure it'll be a prepared apology, but Smart has the opportunity to become legendary.
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Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?
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You'd certainly be in the minority. Have you never played a contact sport or been in a crowded bar?
I've done all of these things!
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mir, there are degrees of violence. shoving someone (in this manner) is a violent act. laying your hands on someone in an attempt to harm them is violence. not sure why you think all violence is the same since you literally just listed violence of different degrees.
no i don't think he should be arrested, as the act wasn't particularly heinous, i think a 3-5 game suspension is justified. reacting to words with violence is how 10 year olds solve problems, you even said this yourself.
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Hey folks, if someone says something mean it's not violence if you shove them, or mush their face . . . it's only violence if you do grievous bodily harm.
Try it out next time someone says something you don't like (make sure you get video so we can see it).
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Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.
10 is the cutoff, i'm afraid.
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T.S. Eliot sighting :horrorsurprise:
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I think a suspension would be more appropriate if this had happened in the NBA. If he's suspended here, it should only be by OSU and voluntarily without having been pressured by the Big 12.
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Some of you people don't know know what mush means.
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Oklahoma State has set a news conference for 5 pm CT today, spokesman told ESPN. Marcus Smart, Travis Ford, AD Mike Holder will all speak.
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QUIT PUSHING THIS STORY ESPN.
Last night Sportscenter did 19 minutes of a 44 minute broadcast on Marcus Smart including running the same Andy Katz segment twice.
and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?
Well, distance is irrelevant (re: 2200 miles). And a race controversy in college basketball (despite the decline in its national relevance) will almost always trump anything short of the miracle on ice at the Winter Olympics.
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It isn't a race issue and thankfully ESPN didn't cover it as such
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Some of you people don't know know what mush means.
Oh, okay.
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Interesting I wonder how long dumb will be gone for.
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Oklahoma State has set a news conference for 5 pm CT today, spokesman told ESPN. Marcus Smart, Travis Ford, AD Mike Holder will all speak.
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QUIT PUSHING THIS STORY ESPN.
Last night Sportscenter did 19 minutes of a 44 minute broadcast on Marcus Smart including running the same Andy Katz segment twice.
and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:
Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?
Well, distance is irrelevant (re: 2200 miles). And a race controversy in college basketball (despite the decline in its national relevance) will almost always trump anything short of the miracle on ice at the Winter Olympics.
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It isn't a race issue and thankfully ESPN didn't cover it as such
My mistake. In traditional and social media internationally, it's ONLY a race issue.
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It isn't a race issue and thankfully ESPN didn't cover it as such
there is nothing about it that makes it inherently a race issue. but this is the united states of america.
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That dude must be a great heckler.
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That dude must be a great heckler.
I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.
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That dude must be a great heckler.
I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.
Yep.
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That dude must be a great heckler.
I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.
Yep.
The thing about applying the reasonable person standard is that not all persons are reasonable.
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It's one thing to hold up a sign or yell things at a player to mess with their head. It's completely different thing to to taunt and provoke an athlete after having physical contact with them because they were making a play and ended up in the stands. Now I'm not saying in anyway that Smart shouldn't face consequences, because he should. He should have walked away. But fans can't expect to verbally and physically interact with an athlete in an extremely negative manner and not expect the athlete to react either verbally or physically. If a player comes into the stands, help them up and keep your mouth shut.
Seriously, what kind of jackass follows around a lousy bball team, sits behind the goal at home games, and develops a rep for taunting players? This isn't really a race issue, it's a lack of maturity by Smart, and just being a complete jackass by Orr.
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That dude must be a great heckler.
I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.
Yep.
The thing about applying the reasonable person standard is that not all persons are reasonable.
I'm not even talking about the heckling recipient. I'm taking a stand for originality and humor in heckling.
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It's one thing to hold up a sign or yell things at a player to mess with their head. It's completely different thing to to taunt and provoke an athlete after having physical contact with them because they were making a play and ended up in the stands. Now I'm not saying in anyway that Smart shouldn't face consequences, because he should. He should have walked away. But fans can't expect to verbally and physically interact with an athlete in an extremely negative manner and not expect the athlete to react either verbally or physically. If a player comes into the stands, help them up and keep your mouth shut.
Seriously, what kind of jackass follows around a lousy bball team, sits behind the goal at home games, and develops a rep for taunting players? This isn't really a race issue, it's a lack of maturity by Smart, and just being a complete jackass by Orr.
smart didn't land on this guy. he had to walk a few steps to even get face to face with him.
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can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?
Approved.
okay, that's all I needed. Smart should use the presser to challenge Orr to fifteen minutes of hell in a cell.
Yep, I'm sure it'll be a prepared apology, but Smart has the opportunity to become legendary.
Be like Ironman with his note cards...
Well, umm, you know... eff it. Ya I shoved that fat piece of crap and I'll do it again to any of you racists crap stains. :buh-bye:
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Press conference reportedly will be shown here at 5 http://www.okstate.com/allaccess/?media=434030
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Press conference reportedly will be shown here at 5 http://www.okstate.com/allaccess/?media=434030
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It's live now if you want to watch some GA test out the mic!!!
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probably the best part about this whole discussion is that no one has any idea what the dude said
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I hope its just 20 minutes of making fun of Orr and his insane family.
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probably the best part about this whole discussion is that no one has any idea what the dude said
I bet tech osu and the Big 12 knows
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probably the best part about this whole discussion is that no one has any idea what the dude said
I bet tech osu and the Big 12 knows
How would they have any idea?
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/02/08/report-oregon-coaches-tell-police-arizona-state-fans-spat-on-them/5328855/
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probably the best part about this whole discussion is that no one has any idea what the dude said
I bet tech osu and the Big 12 knows
are any of them posting about it in this thread?
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/02/08/report-oregon-coaches-tell-police-arizona-state-fans-spat-on-them/5328855/
coach fish spent time in MHK
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Press conference reportedly will be shown here at 5 http://www.okstate.com/allaccess/?media=434030
It's also going to be on espn
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3 games
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Way too much talking about how good Smart is....puffery.
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How many times can Ford say "I know Marcus Smart"?
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This is chickenshit side-stepping and passive aggressive finger pointing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be)
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Jeff Orr Statement
"I would like to take this opportunity to offer my sincere apologies to Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State, Tubby Smith and the Texas Tech Men's Basketball program. My actions last night were inappropriate and do not reflect myself or Texas Tech - a university I love dearly. I regret calling Mr. Smart a "piece of crap" but I want to make it known that I did not use a racial slur of any kind. Additionally, I would like to offer my apologies to Texas Tech fans that have been embarrassed by the attention this incident has created."
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http://www.texastech.com/genrel/020914aab.html (http://www.texastech.com/genrel/020914aab.html)
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3 games is too much for this but I think they factored in a number of Marcus Smart issues and needed to reel him in. Maybe he will get his team to the final 4 like he wanted to, just in the NIT
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"You piece of crap"
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In conjunction with a review of the actions of Oklahoma State guard Marcus Smart by the Big 12 Conference, Texas Tech has completed its own thorough investigation regarding the incident at last night's basketball game involving Red Raider fan Jeff Orr. Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur.
Mr. Orr has admitted to directing an inappropriate phrase toward Marcus Smart. Texas Tech has been able to verify that statement independently through video provided by Texas Tech Sports Broadcasting. At no point on the film can a racial slur be heard.
Texas Tech is committed to sportsmanship and expects fans to abide by the rules set forth by the Big 12 Conference and the university. Comments such as those used by Mr. Orr are unacceptable and not condoned by Texas Tech University.
As a result of this incident, Mr. Orr has voluntarily agreed to not attend a Texas Tech home or away basketball game for the remainder of the season.
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"volunteers" to not attend any more games, lol
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That'll learn him.
In conjunction with a review of the actions of Oklahoma State guard Marcus Smart by the Big 12 Conference, Texas Tech has completed its own thorough investigation regarding the incident at last night's basketball game involving Red Raider fan Jeff Orr. Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur.
Mr. Orr has admitted to directing an inappropriate phrase toward Marcus Smart. Texas Tech has been able to verify that statement independently through video provided by Texas Tech Sports Broadcasting. At no point on the film can a racial slur be heard.
Texas Tech is committed to sportsmanship and expects fans to abide by the rules set forth by the Big 12 Conference and the university. Comments such as those used by Mr. Orr are unacceptable and not condoned by Texas Tech University.
As a result of this incident, Mr. Orr has voluntarily agreed to not attend a Texas Tech home or away basketball game for the remainder of the season.
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welp, no blood to be had here fellas, wrap it up
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Fake Dan Beebe ?@DanBeebe 18s
If we’re not allowed to refer to Okie State basketball as a "piece of crap,” I guess that means no more Cowboy basketball media coverage.
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http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak
you can hear it fairly clearly.
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i yelled some pretty mean things at Mizzou players in '11
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http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak
you can hear it fairly clearly.
Yes, but you can't tell for sure if he didn't say anything more.
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i yelled some pretty mean things at Mizzou players in '11
You should be banned and pushed by Kim English!!!
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man, pretty embarrassing for anyone who decided this dude was a racist piece of crap and labeled him as such before they knew the facts
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http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak
you can hear it fairly clearly.
WELP
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man, pretty embarrassing for anyone who decided this dude was a racist piece of crap and labeled him as such before they knew the facts
meh, i bet he's a racist
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I stand by my assessment that him and his family of crazy eye'd women are insane people.
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Racism still up in the air I guess, but highly probable.
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I stand by my assessment that him and his family of crazy eye'd women are insane people.
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this whole thing being over "you piece of crap" is about the best case scenario for comedy :lol:
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Yep, unconfirmed this piece of crap is a racist piece of crap.
man, pretty embarrassing for anyone who decided this dude was a racist piece of crap and labeled him as such before they knew the facts
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http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak
you can hear it fairly clearly.
WELP
audioshopped
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http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak
you can hear it fairly clearly.
That video is a piece of crap. That cameraman had a functioning camera in his hands and there was an altercation between a player and a fan happening five feet away, and he points the camera at the ground the whole time?
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http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak
you can hear it fairly clearly.
WELP
audioshopped
Carrington Harrison ?@cdotharrison 2m
So of all the people around the microphone screaming and making noise, why is only one thing clearly audible?
Hmmmmmm
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
did you read the statement where Tech said they interviewed all those people and they confirmed it?
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
did you read the statement where Tech said they interviewed all those people and they confirmed it?
reading comprehension, do u haz it?
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The look on Orr's face when smart got up and in his face was like "woah, I really shouldn't have said that". Really doubt he was that apologetic, this man that has dedicated a good portion of his life to being a super fan and heckler, if all he said was "you piece of crap".
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Is that on Tech's official YouTube? Good grief.
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
did you read the statement where Tech said they interviewed all those people and they confirmed it?
reading comprehension, do u haz it?
"Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur."
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
did you read the statement where Tech said they interviewed all those people and they confirmed it?
reading comprehension, do u haz it?
personal opinion from lip reading is that the dude said "forget what i said". but it sure would be nice to hear some witness testimony.
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Again, I lip read the insane woman on the left to scream "you suck."
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this whole thing being over "you piece of crap" is about the best case scenario for comedy :lol:
only thing that could make it better at this point would be if it comes out that the dude did say something racist and Tech tried to cover it up. would be amazing.
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
did you read the statement where Tech said they interviewed all those people and they confirmed it?
reading comprehension, do u haz it?
"Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur."
At no point did I accuse Orr of using a racial slur. I said, "I want someone to be honest about the verbal exchange that followed." That means I want the dialogue. Do you understand the distinction? Something occurred during the posturing that followed Orr yelling that provoked Marcus to shove him.
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this whole thing being over "you piece of crap" is about the best case scenario for comedy :lol:
only thing that could make it better at this point would be if it comes out that the dude did say something racist and Tech tried to cover it up. would be amazing.
:pray:
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I want someone who was close to the incident to be honest about the verbal exchange between Marcus and Orr that followed, "you piece of crap/trash".
did you read the statement where Tech said they interviewed all those people and they confirmed it?
reading comprehension, do u haz it?
"Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur."
At no point did I accuse Orr of using a racial slur. I said, "I want someone to be honest about the verbal exchange that followed." That means I want the dialogue. Do you understand the distinction? Something occurred during the posturing that followed Orr yelling that provoked Marcus to shove him.
I assumed that's what you meant by saying you wanted them to "be honest." Must have interpreted your post wrong, my bad.
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That dude didn't say anything to cause this, seems pretty clear.
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Forte and the ref were right there. Is Marcus Smart just the best at hearing? I believe the insane piece of crap, and I believe Marcus smart tried to justify his behavior by claiming racist slurs were yelled.
This would make more sense than a heckling fan, sitting in the same seat for years for hundreds of games, suddenly yells an N bomb at a kid. The guy is a professional troll.
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
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I believe a wise man once said that you can't be racist and like basketball. Mr. Orr clearly likes basketball so he couldn't have said anything racist. Case closed.
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how great would it be if the entire ku football team lined up and individually shoved charlie weis for calling them a pile of crap.
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I believe a wise man once said that you can't be racist and like basketball. Mr. Orr clearly likes basketball so he couldn't have said anything racist. Case closed.
:lol:
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I believe a wise man once said that you can't be racist and like basketball. Mr. Orr clearly likes basketball so he couldn't have said anything racist. Case closed.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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I believe a wise man once said that you can't be racist and like basketball. Mr. Orr clearly likes basketball so he couldn't have said anything racist. Case closed.
:lol:
Yeah that's good.
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
which program? Tech or OSU?
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
which program? Tech or OSU?
I don't think he said. Pretty sure OSU though.
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this whole thing being over "you piece of crap" is about the best case scenario for comedy :lol:
only thing that could make it better at this point would be if it comes out that the dude did say something racist and Tech tried to cover it up. would be amazing.
Good cuz that's probably going to happen.
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
which program? Tech or OSU?
OSU's and it was actually Goodman saying his OSU source told him that Smart reported being hit with a racial slur.
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
You didn't find the rest of what Goodman said relevant? For those who didn't hear it he went on to say that's what they thought because of what Smart told them but he also might have been lying or just didn't understand what Orr said. Anyone watching that press conference has to know that OSU doesn't think Orr didn't call him a n-word.
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Now that this meh saga is over can we focus on #LIFE's meltdown last night? Still waiting to hear from @#LIFE
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
You didn't find the rest of what Goodman said relevant? For those who didn't hear it he went on to say that's what they thought because of what Smart told them but he also might have been lying or just didn't understand what Orr said. Anyone watching that press conference has to know that OSU doesn't think Orr didn't call him a n-word.
No crap he could be lying or not have understood what he said. I just posted what Goodman said.
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Now that this meh saga is over can we focus on #LIFE's meltdown last night? Still waiting to hear from @#LIFE
missed this. recap?
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
which program? Tech or OSU?
OSU's and it was actually Goodman saying his OSU source told him that Smart reported being hit with a racial slur.
thanks
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Now that this meh saga is over can we focus on #LIFE's meltdown last night? Still waiting to hear from @#LIFE
Yeah I'm done with this unless he comes back.
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Now that this meh saga is over can we focus on #LIFE's meltdown last night? Still waiting to hear from @#LIFE
missed this. recap?
Pages 4 & 5 of this thread
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i've yelled worse stuff from the stands. and i'm not even a particularly demonstrative or vocal fan.
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Goodman just said on ESPN that a source close to the program told him it was a racial slur. :Wha:
You didn't find the rest of what Goodman said relevant? For those who didn't hear it he went on to say that's what they thought because of what Smart told them but he also might have been lying or just didn't understand what Orr said. Anyone watching that press conference has to know that OSU doesn't think Orr didn't call him a n-word.
No crap he could be lying or not have understood what he said. I just posted what Goodman said.
You posted part of what Goodman said, I completed it with context. People who didn't hear what he said could/would think he would be disagreeing with Orr's statement and he wasn't doing that at all. Nothing to see here.
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Now that this meh saga is over can we focus on #LIFE's meltdown last night? Still waiting to hear from @#LIFE
missed this. recap?
Pages 4 & 5 of this thread
oh my, i read all that pakked right before going to sleep and forgot all about it. was worth going back to read that really fantastic orr/mckee post tho.
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@GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart
Yeah, nobody the racistmongers here thought this. State of this mumped up country these days. Go ahead and gangrape a cracker with 10 black guys but don't ever bring up that word you rough ridin' racist mother fuckers.
Hey guys, don't talk bad about a person if he's black because you're a racist rough ridin' cracker mother rough rider
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It seems like the large majority of this board has called Smart a piece of crap.
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I want to apologize to Mr. Orr and Ryan Mueller. Apparently Batt BcKee is not his love child and Mueller did not put Smart up to this. I will now go back to watching Ancient Aliens. Eff, I usually nail these things.
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#LIFE does not deserve his/her internet moniker
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#LIFE does not deserve his/her internet moniker
He's generally a good poster though imo. Just has his ugly moments. Like last night and that time he posted the rape gif.
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#LIFE does not deserve his/her internet moniker
He's generally a good poster though imo. Just has his ugly moments. Like last night and that time he posted the rape gif.
wat
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It was some really shitty/pak'd posting my be. Just annoys me when the race card is the first thing pulled by crap like this. Gonna give myself a timeout for awhile.
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#LIFE does not deserve his/her internet moniker
He's generally a good poster though imo. Just has his ugly moments. Like last night and that time he posted the rape gif.
wat
Did you not see that? Can't remember the exact context. May have been about the KU game. But he posted a gif of a chick getting raped to describe what happened in the game. He deleted it not long after.
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Smart is getting a raw deal IMO. He flew into the stands because Tech puts their mouth breathing fans too close to the floor, and shoved one. BFD.
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Smart is getting a raw deal IMO. He flew into the stands because Tech puts their mouth breathing fans too close to the floor, and shoved one. BFD.
Our tarp is there for a reason
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:lol: at this whole thing.
So this is the story?
Smart has been a hot head and it's been documented numerous times. Orr has been heckling for years, and called Smart a "piece of crap." Then Smart shoves the dude who was trying to apologize. Both guys apologize. Orr voluntarily elects not to go to any more games this season. The Big 12 suspends Smart.
I don't any victims here. I do see a couple of guys who will hopefully learn from this experience and be better people in the future. I also think that Orr's self punishment is appropriate. If he goes to that many games, it will be tough for him. Smart's suspension seems fine as well. Even a game or two would have been fine by me. Only thing I disagree with is OSU/ Ford not doing the suspending.
Final thought - What Orr said was stupid, and definitely doesn't fall in line with Trim's creativity protocol regarding heckling, but at least he said it to Smart's face, which is more ethical than anonymously bashing him on Twitter and the media like thousands upon thousands do every day.
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It was some really shitty/pak'd posting my be. Just annoys me when the race card is the first thing pulled by crap like this. Gonna give myself a timeout for awhile.
I agree, just be more eloquent and less ridiculous when stating your point.
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It was some really shitty/pak'd posting my be. Just annoys me when the race card is the first thing pulled by crap like this. Gonna give myself a time out for awhile.
I agree, just be more eloquent and less ridiculous when stating your point.
The phrase race card is the most ridiculous and overused phrase in the english language. People were speculating that Orr used a racially charged word to rationalize Smart's overreaction. What the hell is "race card" about that? That phrase is used by white people who want to ignore any racial issues or conversation. The people who use the phrase race card feel they get to determine what is worthy of a further conversation. Also the same people who throw around the phrase reverse racism.
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It was some really shitty/pak'd posting my be. Just annoys me when the race card is the first thing pulled by crap like this. Gonna give myself a time out for awhile.
I agree, just be more eloquent and less ridiculous when stating your point.
The phrase race card is the most ridiculous and overused phrase in the english language. People were speculating that Orr used a racially charged word to rationalize Smart's overreaction. What the hell is "race card" about that? That phrase is used by white people who want to ignore any racial issues or conversation. The people who use the phrase race card feel they get to determine what is worthy of a further conversation. Also the same people who throw around the phrase reverse racism.
To be fair, I wasn't referring to the term "race card" just the "ZOMG!! I bet he said something racist!" response that often follows any incident involving people of two different races.
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I wish this would have ended up being a more interesting story, for message board purposes
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In his apology today Marcus let everyone know that last night was not how he condones himself.
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In his apology today Marcus let everyone know that last night was not how he condones himself.
Probably hadn't slept much.
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In his apology today Marcus let everyone know that last night was not how he condones himself.
What a piece of crap.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
I think he did lie, and I think saying someone called you a ****** is worse than the shove. Marcus Smart is a flopping ass, which sounds quite funny.
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I told you Smart was a sociopath. If calling someone a "piece of crap" makes you an awful person and a racist then the mods on this board are awful racists and I get a free shove(will take 3 game suspension).
Also, Smart saying that guy used a racial slur is worse than shoving him. This guy will forever wear a scarlet "R" and that sucks for him
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I told you Smart was a sociopath. If calling someone a "piece of crap" makes you an awful person and a racist then the mods on this board are awful racists and I get a free shove(will take 3 game suspension).
Also, Smart saying that guy used a racial slur is worse than shoving him. This guy will forever wear a scarlet "R" and that sucks for him
That is pretty mumped up. It's like a verbal flop, but you're flopping with someone's life.
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Bryan Davis @B_Davis0
The same guy that talked crazy to me for 4 years. Smh but you should never put your hands on a fan.
John Lucas III @Luke1luk
I just saw the video that same fan was at the games talking crazy even when I was in school I don't forget a face he says a lot of crazy ish Out of his mouth when u are in the game. And he is a grown man talking to kids the way he does
He's still a crazy person so I wouldn't feel too bad for him
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It was some really shitty/pak'd posting my be. Just annoys me when the race card is the first thing pulled by crap like this. Gonna give myself a time out for awhile.
I agree, just be more eloquent and less ridiculous when stating your point.
The phrase race card is the most ridiculous and overused phrase in the english language. People were speculating that Orr used a racially charged word to rationalize Smart's overreaction. What the hell is "race card" about that? That phrase is used by white people who want to ignore any racial issues or conversation. The people who use the phrase race card feel they get to determine what is worthy of a further conversation. Also the same people who throw around the phrase reverse racism.
To be fair, I wasn't referring to the term "race card" just the "ZOMG!! I bet he said something racist!" response that often follows any incident involving people of two different races.
I shouldn't have quoted your post
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Bryan Davis @B_Davis0
The same guy that talked crazy to me for 4 years. Smh but you should never put your hands on a fan.
John Lucas III @Luke1luk
I just saw the video that same fan was at the games talking crazy even when I was in school I don't forget a face he says a lot of crazy ish Out of his mouth when u are in the game. And he is a grown man talking to kids the way he does
He's still a crazy person so I wouldn't feel too bad for him
Crazy but not a racist like smart labeled him. I think the guy could sue Marcus if he wanted.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Yup, only amateur lip readers claiming that.
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In order to put this behind him, Marcus Smart is, reportedly, changing his name to Metta World Piece of Crap.
:whistle1:
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
kind of off topic, but i was kind of far away from the tv last night when this was all going on and i couldn't fully read what the little "story" was called on the left side of sportscenter. i think it actually said something like "marcus smart shoves fan" or something, and i thought it said "marcus smart flips again" and i was like whoa, what a clever headline.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
kind of off topic, but i was kind of far away from the tv last night when this was all going on and i couldn't fully read what the little "story" was called on the left side of sportscenter. i think it actually said something like "marcus smart shoves fan" or something, and i thought it said "marcus smart flips again" and i was like whoa, what a clever headline.
The squawk outrage would have been delicious.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
Yes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be)
Clearly being called a piece of crap. JFC Smart.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
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Do you then expect his comportment will have changed 4 games hence?
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I didn't find out about this till today. Had to work yesterday and stuff. Once I saw the replay, I instantly got heated once I thought that fat redneck said something out of line. I don't condone shitty behavior, but if that's all that was said, he obviously let the situation get the best of him (smart). That dude is a dumbass fat eff, but Smart was out of line if there was no racial slurs.
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I told you Smart was a sociopath. If calling someone a "piece of crap" makes you an awful person and a racist then the mods on this board are awful racists and I get a free shove(will take 3 game suspension).
Also, Smart saying that guy used a racial slur is worse than shoving him. This guy will forever wear a scarlet "R" and that sucks for him
That is pretty mumped up. It's like a verbal flop, but you're flopping with someone's life.
Here at goEMAW unfounded claims of racism are avant-garde, so this tragedy will likely go unnoticed.
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Looking forward to "Piece of Crap" chants.
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
Yes
Do you then expect his comportment will have changed 4 games hence?
I'm not sure what him being a back-flipping, crybaby, flopping douche has to do with him being sorry about pushing that man and getting suspended when his team needs him the most. Maybe you can help me with the correlation?
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I told you Smart was a sociopath. If calling someone a "piece of crap" makes you an awful person and a racist then the mods on this board are awful racists and I get a free shove(will take 3 game suspension).
Also, Smart saying that guy used a racial slur is worse than shoving him. This guy will forever wear a scarlet "R" and that sucks for him
That is pretty mumped up. It's like a verbal flop, but you're flopping with someone's life.
Here at goEMAW unfounded claims of racism are avant-garde, so this tragedy will likely go unnoticed.
Do either of you have a link proving that Smart accused that man of this, because I've been following this pretty closely and I have yet to see this.
Two white guys playing the victim and making up "facts" in a race issue to make the poor poor white man seem more disenfranchised than he already is; isn't this a text book race card play?
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I didn't see the game, just the 15 minutes of coverage on ESPNU. It seemed pretty obvious that he was telling anyone who would listen that the guy said something racist.
Not sure you characterizing me as a cracker pulling the old reverse race card helps you much here.
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Marcus is taking away from how awesome Melvin Ejim is :gocho:
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I didn't see the game, just the 15 minutes of coverage on ESPNU. It seemed pretty obvious that he was telling anyone who would listen that the guy said something racist.
Not sure you characterizing me as a cracker pulling the old reverse race card helps you much here.
:ROFL: nice try FSD, you stay you
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
Yes
Do you then expect his comportment will have changed 4 games hence?
I'm not sure what him being a back-flipping, crybaby, flopping douche has to do with him being sorry about pushing that man and getting suspended when his team needs him the most. Maybe you can help me with the correlation?
Just saying this whole "I'm sorry, I let my team down, I won't let that happen again" thing is becoming a pattern.
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I didn't see the game, just the 15 minutes of coverage on ESPNU. It seemed pretty obvious that he was telling anyone who would listen that the guy said something racist.
Not sure you characterizing me as a cracker pulling the old reverse race card helps you much here.
:ROFL: nice try FSD, you stay you
I thought you might like "reverse race card"
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
Yes
Do you then expect his comportment will have changed 4 games hence?
I'm not sure what him being a back-flipping, crybaby, flopping douche has to do with him being sorry about pushing that man and getting suspended when his team needs him the most. Maybe you can help me with the correlation?
Just saying this whole "I'm sorry, I let my team down, I won't let that happen again" thing is becoming a pattern.
So in your mind because he kicked that chair he couldn't possibly be contrite about either apology? After you apologize for something you then have to be mistake free?
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Marcus is taking away from how awesome Melvin Ejim is :gocho:
TCU defense......not real defense.
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Bigotry in all it's forms is pretty natural with humans, humans are intolerant of each other for every
Reason under the sun. If I don't like, agree with, condone, accept, somebody else it is not my
Right to insist they change to my likeing, but I can choose not to associate with them.
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This would make more sense if you guys knew the history. Marcus Smart's best friend died from a piece of crap.
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http://youtu.be/s_r9AnvHLjk
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This would make more sense if you guys knew the history. Marcus Smart's best friend died from a piece of crap.
:lol:
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Smart is so thin-skinned. He didn't seem contrite today. Looks like the "crap" show will continue four games hence. :popcorn:
Btw, help me understand the terms here. If Marcus lied and told everyone Orr called him an n-word, is that considered "playing the race card"?
Thin-skinned and not contrite? He apologized directly to Orr and mentioned him by name, what in the hell did you want him to do?
We also have no idea if Smart told anyone that Orr said something racist, I tend to think that he didn't because of how Ford acted in the press conference. You still sore about that back flip?
Wwwwwwwwwhat? (Chappelle as L'il John). That Marcus is thin-skinned shouldn't be controversial. It's clear that no one would conduct that kind of behavior, so he was just saying what he had to say. Regarding his level of contrition, I did specify that he didn't seem contrite - and that is obviously a personal opinion, but I axe you, did you feel like his apology was heartfelt? I did not. I don't think he gives a crap.
Yes
Do you then expect his comportment will have changed 4 games hence?
I'm not sure what him being a back-flipping, crybaby, flopping douche has to do with him being sorry about pushing that man and getting suspended when his team needs him the most. Maybe you can help me with the correlation?
Just saying this whole "I'm sorry, I let my team down, I won't let that happen again" thing is becoming a pattern.
So in your mind because he kicked that chair he couldn't possibly be contrite about either apology? After you apologize for something you then have to be mistake free?
Huh? What? Yes, that's exactly what I said. :Ugh: If you insist on being argumentative, I will acquiesce that it really doesn't matter to me in the end what Marcus Smart does or says. Just reading his body language and tone, this amateur psychologist doesn't think Smart gets it. But, it's his life and, more importantly, my entertainment. As a consumer of the college basketball product, I suppose I should be grateful for the show that is Marcus Smart. Maybe that's the better way to think about it, because I've long been a proponent of not using sports figures to teach morality. I'm not a stakeholder in OSU athletics, so Marcus Smart owes me nothing.
Then again, I don't know Marcus Smart. I don't know his heart...
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This would make more sense if you guys knew the history. Marcus Smart's best friend died from a piece of crap.
I thought his best friend was that dorky white kid OSU recruited to get Smart.
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This would make more sense if you guys knew the history. Marcus Smart's best friend died from a piece of crap.
Didn't realize KU football was deadly. RIP
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Does anyone know if Marcus Smart has a sister?
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I told you Smart was a sociopath. If calling someone a "piece of crap" makes you an awful person and a racist then the mods on this board are awful racists and I get a free shove(will take 3 game suspension).
Also, Smart saying that guy used a racial slur is worse than shoving him. This guy will forever wear a scarlet "R" and that sucks for him
That is pretty mumped up. It's like a verbal flop, but you're flopping with someone's life.
Here at goEMAW unfounded claims of racism are avant-garde, so this tragedy will likely go unnoticed.
Do either of you have a link proving that Smart accused that man of this, because I've been following this pretty closely and I have yet to see this.
Two white guys playing the victim and making up "facts" in a race issue to make the poor poor white man seem more disenfranchised than he already is; isn't this a text book race card play?
I don't know if this is proof or not, but it seems he said it where several people on the sidelines could hear him and was acknowledged over the radio broadcast right as it happened.
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/02/marcus-smart-told-okla-st-coaches-fan-he-shoved-called-him-a-n-word/ (http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/02/marcus-smart-told-okla-st-coaches-fan-he-shoved-called-him-a-n-word/)
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Marcus is taking away from how awesome Melvin Ejim is :gocho:
TCU defense......not real defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjCT_o4b5cA
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BITB got really mad today. He kept saying if this guys didn't call him a racist name, why is Smart getting away with lying about it? He said there's nothing worse than calling a guy racist, when the guy never sent a racist remark. :dunno: I'm paraphrasing here, but I think that's pretty close to what was going on today on the show.
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BITB must have read about Smart's life-flopping here at goEMAW.com
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10485127/ncaa-tweaks-rule-says-player-enters-stands-ejected
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#makin' news
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Smart is OSU's Chamberlain. They had to change the rules because of him.
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Watching an interview of him with Holly on Gameday... When he decides to go pro his first endorsement deal needs to be with Proactive. HD is not friendly to him at all.
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Watching an interview of him with Holly on Gameday... When he decides to go pro his first endorsement deal needs to be with Proactive. HD is not friendly to him at all.
Are you calling him a pizza face? :frown:
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Watching an interview of him with Holly on Gameday... When he decides to go pro his first endorsement deal needs to be with Proactive. HD is not friendly to him at all.
Are you calling him a pizza face? :frown:
ESPN should've used more wide angle shots during that interview.
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Watching an interview of him with Holly on Gameday... When he decides to go pro his first endorsement deal needs to be with Proactive. HD is not friendly to him at all.
I thought Spradling had that first