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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #275 on: February 09, 2014, 02:42:34 PM »
can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?

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okay, that's all I needed. Smart should use the presser to challenge Orr to fifteen minutes of hell in a cell.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #276 on: February 09, 2014, 02:43:11 PM »
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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #277 on: February 09, 2014, 02:43:54 PM »
the amount of people here who think words are an excuse for violence is astounding.

You are literally the only person in this thread that categorized what Smart did as violent. You seem uniquely unqualified to speak about this because you seem unwilling to distinguish a shove in the chest from a punch in the jaw from a stabbing in the stomach.

Getting violent with a fan should have much more than a 1 game suspension mir, I don't know how you can think that.

(I would never let the fan back in either)

We don't have the same standard of what constitutes violence. Also even if the guy said "go back to Africa" I wouldn't givehim a llifetime ban. I refuse to allow ESPN's overreaction cloud my good sense.

The ESPN/sportswriter high horse fallout is much worse than what the idiot fan or Smart did on the floor last night.

i have heard zero from espn on this.  i saw it because espn cut into sports center live with the game while at the bar.

and mir, how would you react if a fan come onto the floor a shoved a player?  that fan would be arrested immediately and charged with trespassing and possibly some sort of assault. there is an unspoken agreement in sports that the players have the court/field and the fans have the stands.  what smart did was extremely dangerous for him and his team.  there's a good chance that if this didn't happen at the most/second most apathetic fan base in the big 12 that something terrible might have happened.

Your example isn't precise because Smart wasn't trespassing, a fan in your case would be trespassing and should be arrested. Your usage of the phrase extremely dangerous is amazingly dramatic and disingenuous. He shoved a dude, thats all it is & making more of it is being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic. Hasn't every single person over the age of 10 shoved someone and been shoved without further escalation. Do you live in a bubble? Also there was no threat of anything else happening, in this thread alone there were two other documented similar incidences that have happened in the Big 12. You overdramatizing what Smart did is no different than people insisting Orr called Smart a n-word.

you're right, everyone in the world has shoved someone when outnumbered by several thousand.

Well it has happened and it has more than once, your dramatization of what could have happened has never been seen or read about in American sports by anyone reading this thread.

Why do you insist on being so dramatic about this, do you want Smart to serve jail time or something? What's your point?

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #278 on: February 09, 2014, 02:44:50 PM »
Banning the fan when nobody knows what he said is weird.  Of course Marcus is going to say he said some vile crap...and he probably did....

Again I'd like to point out that Travis Ford's reaction leads me to believe that he didn't think Smart's explanation of what Orr said merited him standing up for his player. Smart spent a significant amount of time on camera explaining his view of what happened, not to mention what else he told Ford in the locker room. Travis Ford looked at those cameras and said "I'm not sure what happened." If it turns out and proven that this man told Smart to go back to Africa and Ford didn't defend Smart, I'll go to Stillwater and pack Ford's crap for him.

I'm still on pg. 8 so I'm not sure if this has been addressed, but  :sdeek:
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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #279 on: February 09, 2014, 02:46:06 PM »
Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?


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You'd certainly be in the minority. Have you never played a contact sport or been in a crowded bar?

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #280 on: February 09, 2014, 02:50:12 PM »

Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.

10 is the cutoff, i'm afraid.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #281 on: February 09, 2014, 02:51:09 PM »
Just saw this...

Oklahoma State has set a news conference for 5 pm CT today, spokesman told ESPN. Marcus Smart, Travis Ford, AD Mike Holder will all speak.
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Last night Sportscenter did 19 minutes of a 44 minute broadcast on Marcus Smart including running the same Andy Katz segment twice.

and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:

Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?


you didn't say that...but you did say it was a low point for sports media and made you sad, which is a little over the top, imo.

I agree mostly with this.

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/february/sportscenter-circles-the-wagons-on-marcus-smart.html

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #282 on: February 09, 2014, 02:51:32 PM »
can I get a ruling on heckling volunteer first base coaches?

Approved.

okay, that's all I needed. Smart should use the presser to challenge Orr to fifteen minutes of hell in a cell.

Yep, I'm sure it'll be a prepared apology, but Smart has the opportunity to become legendary.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #283 on: February 09, 2014, 02:51:55 PM »

Also, I have never shoved or been shoved. Is that weird?


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You'd certainly be in the minority. Have you never played a contact sport or been in a crowded bar?

I've done all of these things!


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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #284 on: February 09, 2014, 02:52:56 PM »
mir, there are degrees of violence.  shoving someone (in this manner) is a violent act.  laying your hands on someone in an attempt to harm them is violence.  not sure why you think all violence is the same since you literally just listed violence of different degrees.

no i don't think he should be arrested, as the act wasn't particularly heinous, i think a 3-5 game suspension is justified.  reacting to words with violence is how 10 year olds solve problems, you even said this yourself.
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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #285 on: February 09, 2014, 02:54:11 PM »
Hey folks, if someone says something mean it's not violence if you shove them, or mush their face . . . it's only violence if you do grievous bodily harm.

Try it out next time someone says something you don't like (make sure you get video so we can see it).




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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #286 on: February 09, 2014, 02:55:19 PM »

Early 30s. What's the cutoff? Because frankly I'm nowhere near prepared for this. Dispositionally, I mean. I'm a pretty good shover, speaking strictly from a physical and technical point of view.

10 is the cutoff, i'm afraid.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #287 on: February 09, 2014, 02:55:27 PM »
I think a suspension would be more appropriate if this had happened in the NBA.  If he's suspended here, it should only be by OSU and voluntarily without having been pressured by the Big 12.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #288 on: February 09, 2014, 02:56:11 PM »
Some of you people don't know know what mush means.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #289 on: February 09, 2014, 02:56:26 PM »

Just saw this...

Oklahoma State has set a news conference for 5 pm CT today, spokesman told ESPN. Marcus Smart, Travis Ford, AD Mike Holder will all speak.
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QUIT PUSHING THIS STORY ESPN.
Last night Sportscenter did 19 minutes of a 44 minute broadcast on Marcus Smart including running the same Andy Katz segment twice.

and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:

Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?

Well, distance is irrelevant (re: 2200 miles). And a race controversy in college basketball (despite the decline in its national relevance) will almost always trump anything short of the miracle on ice at the Winter Olympics.


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It isn't a race issue and thankfully ESPN didn't cover it as such

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #290 on: February 09, 2014, 02:56:47 PM »
Some of you people don't know know what mush means.

Oh, okay. 

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #291 on: February 09, 2014, 02:58:02 PM »
Interesting I wonder how long dumb will be gone for.
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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #292 on: February 09, 2014, 02:59:27 PM »


Just saw this...

Oklahoma State has set a news conference for 5 pm CT today, spokesman told ESPN. Marcus Smart, Travis Ford, AD Mike Holder will all speak.
193 retweets
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From TweetDeck

QUIT PUSHING THIS STORY ESPN.
Last night Sportscenter did 19 minutes of a 44 minute broadcast on Marcus Smart including running the same Andy Katz segment twice.

and? It was easily the most talked about thing among sports fans. :dunno:

Did I say anything about not covering the story? The coverage exceeded the actual news they actually had as evidenced by them rerunning an interview with a guy who was 2200 miles away with no sources at the site. The night before the easily most talked about thing in sports was the opening ceremonies did they devote half of the broadcast to that?

Well, distance is irrelevant (re: 2200 miles). And a race controversy in college basketball (despite the decline in its national relevance) will almost always trump anything short of the miracle on ice at the Winter Olympics.


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It isn't a race issue and thankfully ESPN didn't cover it as such

My mistake. In traditional and social media internationally, it's ONLY a race issue.


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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #293 on: February 09, 2014, 03:01:06 PM »
It isn't a race issue and thankfully ESPN didn't cover it as such

there is nothing about it that makes it inherently a race issue.  but this is the united states of america.
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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #294 on: February 09, 2014, 03:05:18 PM »
That dude must be a great heckler.
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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #295 on: February 09, 2014, 03:10:29 PM »
That dude must be a great heckler.

I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #296 on: February 09, 2014, 03:11:00 PM »
That dude must be a great heckler.

I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.

Yep.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #297 on: February 09, 2014, 03:21:47 PM »
That dude must be a great heckler.

I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.

Yep.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #298 on: February 09, 2014, 03:24:53 PM »
It's one thing to hold up a sign or yell things at a player to mess with their head. It's completely different thing to to taunt and provoke an athlete after having physical contact with them because they were making a play and ended up in the stands. Now I'm not saying in anyway that Smart shouldn't face consequences, because he should. He should have walked away. But fans can't expect to verbally and physically interact with an athlete in an extremely negative manner and not expect the athlete to react either verbally or physically. If a player comes into the stands, help them up and keep your mouth shut.

Seriously, what kind of jackass follows around a lousy bball team, sits behind the goal at home games, and develops a rep for taunting players? This isn't really a race issue, it's a lack of maturity by Smart, and just being a complete jackass by Orr.

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Re: Marcus Smart's Fallout
« Reply #299 on: February 09, 2014, 03:27:19 PM »
That dude must be a great heckler.

I'm assuming whatever was said was pretty egregious to get that reaction. I don't think that makes you a great, or even good, heckler. Heckling isn't about inciting someone to violence, that's something else entirely.

Yep.

The thing about applying the reasonable person standard is that not all persons are reasonable.

I'm not even talking about the heckling recipient.  I'm taking a stand for originality and humor in heckling.