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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19175 on: February 21, 2025, 11:26:22 AM »
After you watch the video of Bannon and give a conclusive answer regarding your stance towards Nazi, or Nazi-adjacent, salutes, I wonder if you could circle back to answering how you feel about the separation of powers and Congress' power of the purse?

Despite @-ing me to debate the finer points of administrative law, I don't recall you ever answering the question. Are we cool with the executive having unlimited power? Does it depend who is in charge? Wanting to get the non-#blueanonGE talking points.

You have not addressed as to whether the various provisions of the impoundment act have been repealed. If they have, when and do you have a link?

So you're not going to answer the question?

I responded to your 45 day bullshit. Impoundments were illegal before the impoundment act, and illegal after. Now there is a temporarily resolution to spending disagreements, that the Trump administration is not following. I strongly suspect you're being deliberately obtuse (surprise, surprise).

So you know for a fact that the Trump administration does not intend to submit a request for rescission to Congress?

Can you please provide a link.

This really should be an easy question. I'm not asking you about Nazis, or abortion, or global conflict. Can Hillary Clinton ignore appropriated spending? Third term Barack Obama?

I'm being purposely obtuse?

What is being "ignored"?

Again, has the Trump administration formally announced that they do not intend to send a request for rescission to Congress?

I mean, Justwin was able to answer.

In order to get to your idiotic power of the purse talking point.

You are purposefully ignoring the process that the executive branch can follow if they are withholding funds as granted in the impoundment act and/or via previously used informal precedence-mechanisms.

So, for the 3rd time. Has the Trump administration formally announced that they do not intend to submit a formal request for rescission to Congress? Yes or No?


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19176 on: February 21, 2025, 11:28:31 AM »
After you watch the video of Bannon and give a conclusive answer regarding your stance towards Nazi, or Nazi-adjacent, salutes, I wonder if you could circle back to answering how you feel about the separation of powers and Congress' power of the purse?

Despite @-ing me to debate the finer points of administrative law, I don't recall you ever answering the question. Are we cool with the executive having unlimited power? Does it depend who is in charge? Wanting to get the non-#blueanonGE talking points.

You have not addressed as to whether the various provisions of the impoundment act have been repealed. If they have, when and do you have a link?

So you're not going to answer the question?

I responded to your 45 day bullshit. Impoundments were illegal before the impoundment act, and illegal after. Now there is a temporarily resolution to spending disagreements, that the Trump administration is not following. I strongly suspect you're being deliberately obtuse (surprise, surprise).

So you know for a fact that the Trump administration does not intend to submit a request for rescission to Congress?

Can you please provide a link.

This really should be an easy question. I'm not asking you about Nazis, or abortion, or global conflict. Can Hillary Clinton ignore appropriated spending? Third term Barack Obama?

I'm being purposely obtuse?

What is being "ignored"?

Again, has the Trump administration formally announced that they do not intend to send a request for rescission to Congress?

I mean, Justwin was able to answer.

justwin does not rely on other people for his thinking

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Like a million people haven't chimed in on (one example) the constitutionality of Joe Biden's student loan forgiveness . . . you actually think your boy JustWin thought of that on his own.   :lol: :lol:


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19177 on: February 21, 2025, 11:28:47 AM »
So you're not going to answer? This is a softball come on. Take a stance on one thing, ever.

By the way you had previously said that posting to Twitter was notification.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19178 on: February 21, 2025, 11:39:21 AM »
So you're not going to answer? This is a softball come on. Take a stance on one thing, ever.

By the way you had previously said that posting to Twitter was notification.

All the people you mentioned could have done exactly what the Trump administration is doing.  They also would be allowed to formally request that Congress eliminate or reduce funding.

So again, for the 4th time. Has the Trump administration formally announced that they do not intend to formally request that Congress rescind the funding? Yes or No?

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« Reply #19179 on: February 21, 2025, 11:49:11 AM »
So you're not going to answer? This is a softball come on. Take a stance on one thing, ever.

By the way you had previously said that posting to Twitter was notification.

All the people you mentioned could have done exactly what the Trump administration is doing.  They also would be allowed to formally request that Congress eliminate or reduce funding.

So again, for the 4th time. Has the Trump administration formally announced that they do not intend to formally request that Congress rescind the funding? Yes or No?

Still no answer, how amusing. I'm honestly just curious how long you can go without making a definitive statement.

The 45 day temporary hold applies whether formal notice has been given or not. You can't withhold funds and never give notice. That assumes the GAO would actually do something about it though. It also does not work the way you keep claiming. You don't "formally announce" that you do not intend to formally request. You're attempting to get into the weeds of administrative procedure, incorrectly, rather than just answering the damn question.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19180 on: February 21, 2025, 11:58:27 AM »
So you're not going to answer? This is a softball come on. Take a stance on one thing, ever.

By the way you had previously said that posting to Twitter was notification.

All the people you mentioned could have done exactly what the Trump administration is doing.  They also would be allowed to formally request that Congress eliminate or reduce funding.

So again, for the 4th time. Has the Trump administration formally announced that they do not intend to formally request that Congress rescind the funding? Yes or No?

Still no answer, how amusing. I'm honestly just curious how long you can go without making a definitive statement.

The 45 day temporary hold applies whether formal notice has been given or not. You can't withhold funds and never give notice. That assumes the GAO would actually do something about it though. It also does not work the way you keep claiming. You don't "formally announce" that you do not intend to formally request. You're attempting to get into the weeds of administrative procedure, incorrectly, rather than just answering the damn question.

 Yes, Congress always has always had the power of the purse.  Unfortunately that power does not include power with willful negligence and improper overight which is exactly what passing unread omnibus spending bills is.

That's correct, there is no formal announcement. Thus you cannot say what their intentions are, you have automatically concluded that they do not intend to spend the money appropriated. Has the executive branch sent a special message to Congress?

Edit: To think all of this started by my stating something that is completely unrelated. The POTUS having almost unlimited rights to fire any Federal employee. Which has nothing to do with the purse or impoundment









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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19182 on: February 23, 2025, 09:45:33 AM »
https://electrek.co/2025/02/21/trump-to-shut-down-all-8000-ev-charging-ports-at-federal-govt-buildings/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fu.s.politics


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19184 on: February 23, 2025, 03:56:24 PM »
Medicaid not so safe

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19185 on: February 23, 2025, 05:45:36 PM »
Got dunked on in Germany

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19186 on: February 23, 2025, 10:31:07 PM »
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19187 on: February 23, 2025, 11:38:53 PM »
Holy rough ridin' crap man

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19188 on: February 24, 2025, 06:40:40 AM »
Flattery will get you everywhere

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19189 on: February 24, 2025, 06:43:07 AM »
This is literally the first time I have ever heard/read that dude’s name. I looked him up and seems his most significant qualification is charisma amongst Trump loyalists. Allegedly his secret service credentials are greatly exaggerated. I did see where he once said “My entire life right now is about owning the libs.”

I am by no means an objective observer, but I’d bet any true objective observer would deem him severely under qualified at the large scale management of serious criminal investigation work.

Seems like a good hire if the goal was to put someone in place to exact retribution for perceived wrongs.

Yet another Trump move that will be looked upon by history as a selfish and irresponsible choice.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19190 on: February 24, 2025, 06:53:40 AM »
Quite the jawline tho
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19191 on: February 24, 2025, 07:08:20 AM »
Quite the jawline tho

Elon clearly made the right decision getting hair transplants and HGH.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #19195 on: February 24, 2025, 11:02:45 AM »
https://x.com/SonnyBunch/status/1892328321930625388

Seriously, not literally:

https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1893035098540241059

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Not saying that he's "literally Hitler" but it would be nice to see a bit daylight between our president's rhetoric and the the Fuhrer's rhetoric
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Nazi political theorist Ernst Rudolf Huber in Constitutional Law of the Third Reich stated that the Führer is the “bearer of the collective will of the people.” In the will of the leader, Huber said, the “will of the people is realized.” Hitler’s will was not the “subjective will of a single man.”
Rather, the “collective national will” was embodied within the leader. A people’s collective will, Huber explained, is rooted in the “political idea which is given to a people.” The political idea is present in the people, but the Führer “raises it to consciousness and discloses it.”

The role of the leader according to Huber is to “disclose” a people’s political idea—to bring into consciousness that which had been unconscious. The leader brings forth—makes manifest—ideas and desires that are latent within a people. His ideology reveals and crystallizes a people’s shared fantasies.

The leader invents images, metaphors and phrases to convey these fantasies. He processes his own fantasies and those of his people—and “returns” information to his audience in the form of a societal discourse.

By virtue of being transformed into a societal discourse, energies and passions bound to unconscious fantasies are released for action. The ideology transforms latent desires and fantasies into the “collective will” to act. The will to act is generated by the wish to actualize or bring into reality fantasies contained within the ideology. Thus, the role of the leader is not only to bring into consciousness fantasies shared by members of society, but also to devise a plan or program allowing these fantasies to transform reality.


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Re: The Trump Presidency
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Re: The Trump Presidency
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