Author Topic: Marco Rubio Master Thread (Read 76001 times)

CNS · « **Reply #375 on:** February 03, 2016, 08:17:03 PM »

It's like the state of the union speech from congress showing ppl how they need to quit being dicks to congress.

Institutional Control · « **Reply #376 on:** February 03, 2016, 08:29:39 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on February 03, 2016, 07:59:27 PM

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/695056822336622596

That's sd's moderate candidate.

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sys · « **Reply #377 on:** February 03, 2016, 08:51:06 PM »

he's not actually moderate, he's just likeable, which makes him seem moderate.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #378 on:** February 03, 2016, 09:22:39 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 03, 2016, 08:51:06 PM

he's not actually moderate, he's just likeable, which makes him seem moderate.

He's not moderate right now but he has been and will be again. That's something he would say in the winter, he wouldn't dare say that in the fall.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #379 on:** February 03, 2016, 11:58:58 PM »

So Cruz is not viable because the moderates won't vote for him and Romney and McCain lost because the conservative base of the party stayed home rather than hold their nose and vote.

Hmmmm.....

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #380 on:** February 04, 2016, 12:11:17 AM »

So much latent butthurt.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #381 on:** February 04, 2016, 03:33:53 AM »

Quote from: Ptolemy on February 03, 2016, 11:58:58 PM

Quote from: ChiCat on February 03, 2016, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on February 03, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Ted Cruz is dead ass last in any favoribility rating, doesn't matter though as he is not a viable candidate..

So Cruz is not viable because the moderates won't vote for him and Romney and McCain lost because the conservative base of the party stayed home rather than hold their nose and vote.

Hmmmm.....

Well Romney and McCain were largely uninspiring but they lost because your party is shrinking and has a demographic problem.

CNS · « **Reply #382 on:** February 04, 2016, 06:30:22 AM »

McCain lost because of Palin, plain and simple.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #383 on:** February 04, 2016, 08:27:34 AM »

McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #384 on:** February 04, 2016, 08:49:05 AM »

Please don't mess up the quote function to make it seem like those are my thoughts Ptolemy.

The people that think McCain and Romney weren't conservative enough to vote for aren't a significant portion of the population in Ohio/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Virginia. They are largely in states the Republicans won anyways. Going farther right will just alienate more people in the battleground states that require you to win moderates and independents.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #385 on:** February 04, 2016, 08:50:36 AM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on February 04, 2016, 08:27:34 AM

McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.

This. And because McCain was a terrible candidate. And because Americans are sadly getting dumber. Palin actually helped McCain (see my points re McCain=terrible and Americans=dumber).

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #386 on:** February 04, 2016, 09:03:50 AM »

Quote from: ChiCat on February 04, 2016, 08:49:05 AM

Please don't mess up the quote function to make it seem like those are my thoughts Ptolemy.

The people that think McCain and Romney weren't conservative enough to vote for aren't a significant portion of the population in Ohio/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Virginia. They are largely in states the Republicans won anyways. Going farther right will just alienate more people in the battleground states that require you to win moderates and independents.

First, Romney won independents but lost because the base stayed home. If he had had even McCain's turnout from 2008, he likely would have won. And while you are right that gaining a bigger edge in the popular vote might not have swayed the electoral college math, there is still a pretty close correlation between electoral college and popular vote. So boosting the base probably would have helped flip some of those less red states. Chasing independents can be fool's gold, as Romney learned.

Second, "going farther right" is too vague to mean anything. "Going farther right" on issues like immigration will likely actually help a Republican flip rust belt states with a lot of working class whites that have traditionally gone blue, such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

So no, I wouldn't count Ted Cruz out. At all. I still think Rubio is the strongest candidate due to his high favorability ratings and (mostly) conservative record, but if it's Ted Cruz v Hillary Clinton, I like Cruz's chances.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #387 on:** February 04, 2016, 09:07:57 AM »

I never counted Cruz out. I said earlier that I think Cruz has a shot against whatever dem but that I think Rubio would win.

I don't think Romney struggled because he chased independents. I think he struggled because to combat Obama the Republicans nominated the richest whitest guy there was. He seemed so terribly out of touch. Cruz will have likability problems but wouldn't be going against near as strong as a candidate.

CNS · « **Reply #388 on:** February 04, 2016, 09:34:06 AM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 04, 2016, 08:50:36 AM

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on February 04, 2016, 08:27:34 AM
McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.

This. And because McCain was a terrible candidate. And because Americans are sadly getting dumber. Palin actually helped McCain (see my points re McCain=terrible and Americans=dumber).

Palin may have helped grandpa in the primary due to crazy far right'ers, but she def hurt him in the general.

CNS · « **Reply #389 on:** February 04, 2016, 09:38:34 AM »

The idea of a base staying home during a general is so rough ridin' stupid. I mean, you hate Romney because he isn't Santorum'ey enough, so you don't vote and let the liberal take office.

This is so tea party'ey.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #390 on:** February 04, 2016, 10:04:40 AM »

Quote from: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:38:34 AM

The idea of a base staying home during a general is so rough ridin' stupid. I mean, you hate Romney because he isn't Santorum'ey enough, so you don't vote and let the liberal take office. This is so tea party'ey.

Can say the exact same thing for those claiming Cruz in unelectable because he doesn't moderate his positions on the issues so the middle can vote for him. There is certain value in being able to defend your positions with conviction. Romney was so muddled on Obamacare, with Romneycare dragging his ass down, he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. Cruz faced this very "roadblock" in the Texas senate race - an opponent with millions to spend against him and the RINO army in Texas allied against him. He won the election in a landslide.

If you don't want to believe me, listen to the Clintons' favorite attack dog, James Carville, who called Cruz the most impressive political candidate he's seen in 30 years.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #391 on:** February 04, 2016, 10:16:59 AM »

Romney lost because he was Mormon.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #392 on:** February 04, 2016, 10:21:23 AM »

Quote from: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:34:06 AM

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 04, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on February 04, 2016, 08:27:34 AM
McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.

This. And because McCain was a terrible candidate. And because Americans are sadly getting dumber. Palin actually helped McCain (see my points re McCain=terrible and Americans=dumber).

Palin may have helped grandpa in the primary due to crazy far right'ers, but she def hurt him in the general.

First, Palin was selected as running mate after McCain won the primary. You don't pick a running mate before. Second, there just isn't any good evidence that Palin hurt McCain. He surged in the polls after picking her. His decline began in late September when the economy imploded and McCain briefly "suspended" his campaign. The media certainly sniped at Palin during the campaign, but the real harm to her reputation (some of it self-inflicted) did not occur until after the election.

Barack Obama is a skilled politician, but he is also an exceptionally lucky one when it comes to timing of disasters that aided his campaigns. This includes his Senate run and both presidential runs.

CNS · « **Reply #393 on:** February 04, 2016, 10:24:50 AM »

Palin is the anti moderate. She is like fly paper for pubs and like DDT to middle of the road'ers.

ednksu · « **Reply #394 on:** February 04, 2016, 10:25:41 AM »

Do people forget that Mittens sunk his own ship with his 47% crack at the fundraiser? Yeah Obamacare hurt a bit, but the 'Pubs have branded that as a problem while most like its components. The issue was always tax policy with a lot of social values under that.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #395 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:12:01 PM »

Uh oh

wetwillie · « **Reply #396 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:16:48 PM »

it was hard to watch, christie took him out back.

Cire · « **Reply #397 on:** February 06, 2016, 11:01:17 PM »

Marco was terrible

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steve dave · « **Reply #398 on:** February 07, 2016, 05:59:32 AM »

IPA4Me · « **Reply #399 on:** February 07, 2016, 06:03:58 AM »

Not looking hopeful for your candidate, SD.