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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 29, 2015, 03:59:21 PM
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It's becoming increasingly clear that Marco Rubio is the strongest candidate in the GOP field, and could easily win the presidency if GOP voters have the good sense to nominate him and turn out to vote for him in the general.
I figured it's time for a master thread to post positive and negative things about Marco Rubio.
I'll start with a positive. Marco Rubio clearly and concisely explains how Hillary lied about the cause the Benghazi attack, much to (MSM Clinton Super-PAC member) Charlie Rose's astonishment and dismay.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426309/marco-rubio-charlie-rose-hillary-benghazi-lies-video (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426309/marco-rubio-charlie-rose-hillary-benghazi-lies-video)
The video is priceless. Just look at the way Charlie smugly lectures him "you called Hillary Clinton a liar, Senator." Well, yeah, and here's why...
MARCO RUBIO: I've never personally attacked anybody in this race and I'm not going to start now. If other people decide they want to change who they are--
CHARLIE ROSE: Well, well, you called Hillary Clinton a liar, senator. You called Hillary Clinton a liar.
RUBIO: Well, no. I said Hillary Clinton lied about Benghazi. There is no doubt about that, Charlie. I mean, there are e-mails in which she was talking to her family and she was telling them that there was an attack on that consulate that was due to a terrorist attack by Al Qaeda elements and then she was going around the country talking to the families of the victims, and to the American people and saying, no, no. This is because of some video that someone produced.
ROSE: Senator, you know -- you know that --
RUBIO: She absolutely lied about it.
ROSE: The CIA was changing its own assessment of what happened there during that time zone.
RUBIO: That's not -- that's not accurate. It was clear from the very early moments after that attack that it was not a spontaneous uprising. It was a planned attack. Well orchestrated by people that brought armaments to that attack that you would never see as part of a spontaneous up rising. What was very clear is that from the very early moments of that attack, she knew that it was a terrorist attack as she shared by e-mail with various people. And yet she continued to perpetuate the lie.
ROSE: If you're calling her a liar by saying she perpetuated a lie, then why do you think she did that? What was her motive? :dunno: :lol:
RUBIO: Well, that’s very clear why. Because they were in the middle of a 2012 re-election in which President Obama had made the claim that Al Qaeda was being defeated and --
ROSE: So, you’re saying that Hillary Clinton lied -- you were saying, senator, that Hillary Clinton lied because she wanted to help Barack Obama in his re-election campaign? That's a serious charge. [It's the truth, dumbshit - you know, that thing journalism is supposed to be about.]
RUBIO: Yes. Is that -- well, it's the truth. I mean, that is not only why she did it, that’s why everyone in the administration did it. The narrative of their campaign at the time, Charlie, was that Al Qaeda was on the run and had been defeated. That was their narrative and this countered that narrative. They didn't want that out there and that’s why they didn't tell the truth of what truly happened and the families of those victims deserve better.
ROSE: But are you denying that the CIA was sending different information as they assessed it and providing different information to the leaders of our government? And that was part of the reason that they made different assessments.
RUBIO: Let me tell you Charlie, without violating any --
ROSE: Because David Petraeus and others have said that.
RUBIO: I don't want to violate anything that’s confidential and that’s classified but I'll tell you this. It was clear from the earliest moments after that attack that everyone on the ground and everyone closest to that attack knew, almost instantly, that this was an organized effort, not part of a spontaneous uprising and there was never, ever any evidence that it had anything to do with a video that was produced by some guy out in California. And for them to further that narrative and continue to do so well after it had become clear that that wasn't the case, it was unacceptable. The American people deserve better. And the families of those victims in Benghazi deserve better.
Charlie Rose is either a hopeless shill or ignorant. E-mails have been released which prove that the White House crafted the narrative to point to an internet video for political reasons. The goal was "To ?underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.” Hillary participated in this lie, knowing full well from pretty much the first moment of the attack that it was terrorism - not a spontaneous uprising in response to a stupid video. https://sharylattkisson.com/white-house-directed-incorrect-benghazi-narrative-newly-released-emails-video-to-blame-not-a-broader-failure-or-policy/ (https://sharylattkisson.com/white-house-directed-incorrect-benghazi-narrative-newly-released-emails-video-to-blame-not-a-broader-failure-or-policy/)
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Good grief
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How can he catch the two huge front runners? I hope Jeb does but would def take Rubio over the leaders.
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Rubio is certainly the best human of the gop, but ksuw 's charlie rose and #bengazi obsession is :lol:
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Rubio is certainly the best human of the gop, but ksuw 's charlie rose and #bengazi obsession is :lol:
I DNR any of that. I'm responding to the thread title.
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It's too early for him, bad luck on election cycles. Great pick at vp tho
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How can he catch the two huge front runners? I hope Jeb does but would def take Rubio over the leaders.
I just keep hoping the Trump/Carson supporters won't take the time to go to the caucuses, but their leads seem pretty big. :frown:
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"It's obvious Rubio would easily win the presidency if he could get nominated by his own party in which he is greatly trailing two others."
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lol
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Would take Rubio over Carson and trump, if for no other reason than his last name sounds like something you collect while running from the pack of wild beasts in Tomb Raider III.
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How can he catch the two huge front runners? I hope Jeb does but would def take Rubio over the leaders.
That's pretty simple. First, the "front runners" aren't strong at all. Trump is a mirage. He has invested in no campaign infrastructure to speak of. Carson could well win Iowa, but his debate performances are lackluster, his campaign is undisciplined, and he too will fade.
Second, as the "establishment" candidates (and I use that term broadly to encompass everyone with political experience) drop, Rubio is nearly everyone else's second favorite. Just as Rubio got a bounce from Walker's exit, he'll get a similar bounce when Bush drops.
It's going to come down to Rubio, Cruz, and Carson or Fiorina.
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Rubio is certainly the best human of the gop, but ksuw 's charlie rose and #bengazi obsession is :lol:
We have serious problems in this country which have to be addressed by our elected leaders. As corrupt and stupid as many of our politicians are, too many in the media are likewise stupid/corrupt and have entirely too much influence in the political process.
So yeah, I take media corruption and bias pretty seriously. When Charlie Rose argues that Hillary didn't lie, and asks what she could possibly gain from that lie, he's being either stupid (bad) or corrupt (worse).
And it is refreshing to have a candidate who can so succinctly and forcefully expose these shills.
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Also seven, I've been watching for that shifty eye thing, and I'm not seeing it.
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Do you think Rubio's stance on climate change is pandering to his base or he really believes it? If he believes it, what do you think he's basing his view on?
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I can't remember how blood thirtsy he is.... I suspect it is too much for my liking
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Do you think Rubio's stance on climate change is pandering to his base or he really believes it? If he believes it, what do you think he's basing his view on?
I think he really believes it. And I'm speculating, but he probably bases his views on many of the things mentioned in the Models thread. Like recorded non-adjusted temps over the past nearly 20 years despite increasing CO2 emissions. Or that man is contributing a tiny amount to what is already a trace gas in the atmosphere. Or that temps have been historically much higher than at any point in the last hundred years, long before the industrial revolution. You know, basic common sense stuff like that. But keep looking for all that warming hiding deep in the oceans...
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He's by far the most on point GOP candidate in terms of the issues.
LOL at Charlie Rose and the ProgLib's who don't want to hear about Benghazi anymore. The Dem front runner is a pathological liar on every conceivable level, has been caught in lie after lie, was the spearhead of the unilateral overthrow of a standing government, failed to act when a U.S. Ambassador was under attack, has repeatedly lied about that situation, and has been caught running an improper IT platform outside of proper Federal Gov't IT oversight exposing sensitive U.S. national security documents to every government and their hackers in the world . . . and of course has repeatedly tried to deny any wrong doing.
Not to mention the family foundation that was conducting pay for play business with foreign governments and IMO was/is likely a U.S. intelligence front organization.
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Dax just can't help himself... So obsessed with MG that he even has lengthy rants about her in the rubio thread.
Sad really
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Dax just can't help himself... So obsessed with MG that he even has lengthy rants about her in the rubio thread.
Sad really
The original story had Rubio engaged with an extreme Clinton apologist . . . Charlie was doing his usual "utter disbelief" act in the face of overwhelming evidence.
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I have no idea what and who some of those things and people are but Rubio is better than a lot of the GOP candidates so I hope he does better than he's doing soon.
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I saw that Rose/Rubio conversation this morning! So random!
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I saw that Rose/Rubio conversation this morning! So random!
What was your take?
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Rubio is my favorite now. He is the candidate the Clintonestas fear the most.
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I saw that Rose/Rubio conversation this morning! So random!
What was your take?
I enjoyed non-softball questioning and a somewhat heated exchange
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If I could just take any candidate and make them president, I would choose Cruz. He is the smartest and most principled conservative on the stage.
But Rubio is at least a reasonably strong conservative and far more electable, so he's the clear top choice for me.
I just hope Rubio v Cruz doesn't get too ugly/damaging. They'll both be in the final four.
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Ted Cruz is a sociopath, I have no idea why anyone would even consider voting for him.
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Do you think Rubio's stance on climate change is pandering to his base or he really believes it? If he believes it, what do you think he's basing his view on?
I think he really believes it. And I'm speculating, but he probably bases his views on many of the things mentioned in the Models thread. Like recorded non-adjusted temps over the past nearly 20 years despite increasing CO2 emissions. Or that man is contributing a tiny amount to what is already a trace gas in the atmosphere. Or that temps have been historically much higher than at any point in the last hundred years, long before the industrial revolution. You know, basic common sense stuff like that. But keep looking for all that warming hiding deep in the oceans...
And here I thought you were a member of the church of man made global warming. You might be a moderate after all!
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Ted Cruz is a sociopath, I have no idea why anyone would even consider voting for him.
I'd be curious to know why you think Cruz is a sociopath. But start a new thread for him.
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If I could just take any candidate and make them president, I would choose Cruz. He is the smartest and most principled conservative on the stage.
he hasn't won over the base ksudub :frown:
I don't follow Ted Cruz or know much about him
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
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Fellow MG haters it is time to quit chewing on each other's dung portals and focus on beating the socialistic scum trying to remake America. Stupid people who wait to find just the perfect person to marry wind up with a life long right hand romance only. So Mark the Knife ain't perfect, but he can carve up MG like a pig going down the line at a packing plant. Bill the Thrill is not political stupid like most of these gum flapping pundits. He fears Rubio.
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I think Rubio's painful awkwardness is fading. Which is good.
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
That's good. I don't care if a president doesn't want to do anything about global warming, because that's kinda my selfish position too, but calling it a hoax like ksuw is straight kooksville
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
That's good. I don't care if a president doesn't want to do anything about global warming, because that's kinda my selfish position too, but calling it a hoax like ksuw is straight kooksville
A "hoax" depends upon the mindset of the perpetrator. Do I think some people - mainly politicians - are drumming up fear about catastrophic manmade global warming for money and/or political power? Absolutely.
At the same time, I have never said that the effect of manmade carbon emissions, and human activity in general, upon our climate is not a legitimate area of scientific inquiry. I am simply skeptical of the extent to which manmade CO2 emissions are warming the planet or otherwise altering our climate. That effect could range from "none" to "a lot," but it seems so far that effect is somewhere around "really, really minimal" at most. As is the subject of the Models thread, the hypotheses predicting a greater impact on global tempertures have not born out.
Based on Rubio's quotes, I think we're in full agreement on the issue.
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You think it's a hoax because you think 97 percent of scientists are lying.
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
That's good. I don't care if a president doesn't want to do anything about global warming, because that's kinda my selfish position too, but calling it a hoax like ksuw is straight kooksville
A "hoax" depends upon the mindset of the perpetrator. Do I think some people - mainly politicians - are drumming up fear about catastrophic manmade global warming for money and/or political power? Absolutely.
At the same time, I have never said that the effect of manmade carbon emissions, and human activity in general, upon our climate is not a legitimate area of scientific inquiry. I am simply skeptical of the extent to which manmade CO2 emissions are warming the planet or otherwise altering our climate. That effect could range from "none" to "a lot," but it seems so far that effect is somewhere around "really, really minimal" at most. As is the subject of the Models thread, the hypotheses predicting a greater impact on global tempertures have not born out.
Based on Rubio's quotes, I think we're in full agreement on the issue.
Do you think the temperature outside right now would be the same if there were significantly less CO2 in the atmosphere?
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
That's good. I don't care if a president doesn't want to do anything about global warming, because that's kinda my selfish position too, but calling it a hoax like ksuw is straight kooksville
A "hoax" depends upon the mindset of the perpetrator. Do I think some people - mainly politicians - are drumming up fear about catastrophic manmade global warming for money and/or political power? Absolutely.
At the same time, I have never said that the effect of manmade carbon emissions, and human activity in general, upon our climate is not a legitimate area of scientific inquiry. I am simply skeptical of the extent to which manmade CO2 emissions are warming the planet or otherwise altering our climate. That effect could range from "none" to "a lot," but it seems so far that effect is somewhere around "really, really minimal" at most. As is the subject of the Models thread, the hypotheses predicting a greater impact on global tempertures have not born out.
Based on Rubio's quotes, I think we're in full agreement on the issue.
Do you think the temperature outside right now would be the same if there were significantly less CO2 in the atmosphere?
Manmade C02 or all CO2? And please take you answer to the Models thread.
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
That's good. I don't care if a president doesn't want to do anything about global warming, because that's kinda my selfish position too, but calling it a hoax like ksuw is straight kooksville
A "hoax" depends upon the mindset of the perpetrator. Do I think some people - mainly politicians - are drumming up fear about catastrophic manmade global warming for money and/or political power? Absolutely.
At the same time, I have never said that the effect of manmade carbon emissions, and human activity in general, upon our climate is not a legitimate area of scientific inquiry. I am simply skeptical of the extent to which manmade CO2 emissions are warming the planet or otherwise altering our climate. That effect could range from "none" to "a lot," but it seems so far that effect is somewhere around "really, really minimal" at most. As is the subject of the Models thread, the hypotheses predicting a greater impact on global tempertures have not born out.
Based on Rubio's quotes, I think we're in full agreement on the issue.
Do you think the temperature outside right now would be the same if there were significantly less CO2 in the atmosphere?
Manmade C02 or all CO2? And please take you answer to the Models thread.
Either. It's all CO2.
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I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Also, Rubio is softening his stance on global warming. He's not the nonbeliever K-S-U wants him to be. He just doesn't think we should do anything about it.
That's good. I don't care if a president doesn't want to do anything about global warming, because that's kinda my selfish position too, but calling it a hoax like ksuw is straight kooksville
A "hoax" depends upon the mindset of the perpetrator. Do I think some people - mainly politicians - are drumming up fear about catastrophic manmade global warming for money and/or political power? Absolutely.
At the same time, I have never said that the effect of manmade carbon emissions, and human activity in general, upon our climate is not a legitimate area of scientific inquiry. I am simply skeptical of the extent to which manmade CO2 emissions are warming the planet or otherwise altering our climate. That effect could range from "none" to "a lot," but it seems so far that effect is somewhere around "really, really minimal" at most. As is the subject of the Models thread, the hypotheses predicting a greater impact on global tempertures have not born out.
Based on Rubio's quotes, I think we're in full agreement on the issue.
Do you think the temperature outside right now would be the same if there were significantly less CO2 in the atmosphere?
Manmade C02 or all CO2? And please take you answer to the Models thread.
Either. It's all CO2.
Then your question is irrelevant, and the fact that you don't understand this shows how little you've considered the issue. Ok, enough of this crap. Let's get back to praising/dissing Rubio. If you want to keep bickering about global warming, there's a thread for that.
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The best candidates and those that would actually be good at the job in the GOP are the same and are as follows:
1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Bush
Cruz is a demagogue who sounds like he is running for student body president or something.
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i like kasich more than i expected, and he is general E material but no chance he gets a nomination
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The best candidates and those that would actually be good at the job in the GOP are the same and are as follows:
1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Bush
Cruz is a demagogue who sounds like he is running for student body president or something.
I used sociopath but demagogue is a much better description
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The best candidates and those that would actually be good at the job in the GOP are the same and are as follows:
1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Bush
Cruz is a demagogue who sounds like he is running for student body president or something.
I used sociopath but demagogue is a much better description
Other demagogues include, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Jeb Bush.
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The best candidates and those that would actually be good at the job in the GOP are the same and are as follows:
1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Bush
Cruz is a demagogue who sounds like he is running for student body president or something.
Yes!
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Isn't Kaisch a flat earther?
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I highly doubt it. Best flat earth candidates are carson, huckabee, and cruz. In that order
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258835-rubios-polling-numbers-skyrocket-in-nh (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258835-rubios-polling-numbers-skyrocket-in-nh)
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Rubio would be about like W. again.
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Rubio would be about like W. again.
How so
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Walking talking cliche.
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Walking talking cliche.
Why do you hate Latinos so much???
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I'm going to add this to the items that make a candidate un-vote-for-able
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/11/08/marco-rubios-real-credit-card-scandal-how-the-candidate-failed-rewards-101/
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I'm going to add this to the items that make a candidate un-vote-for-able
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/11/08/marco-rubios-real-credit-card-scandal-how-the-candidate-failed-rewards-101/
Could you clarify what you don't like there? The fact that he could have gotten free miles but didn't?
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
After hearing him respond to this on multiple occasions, I am confident anyone who attacks him on it will be shut down effectively. NPR said this morning that Jeb will be using it in the debate tomorrow. We all know what happens when Jeb tries to attack Marco.
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
Not a single comment insinuated that :Carl:
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
Not a single comment insinuated that :Carl:
He is referring to the linked article's comments that Steve Dave provided.
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
Not a single comment insinuated that :Carl:
He is referring to the linked article's comments that Steve Dave provided.
No crap :facepalm:
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
Not a single comment insinuated that :Carl:
Well, for example, here's a comment from the author of the story:
Gary Leffsays:
November 8, 2015 at 4:44 pm
@A – Rubio’s card was issued by the Florida Republican Party, not by any government.
So, you're like really dumb
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Great example :lol:
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Rubio is my favorite now. He is the candidate the Clintonestas fear resemble the most.
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Rubio is my favorite now. He is the candidate the Clintonestas fear resemble the most.
How so?
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Great example :lol:
T-Y
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Absolutely love when fsd shows off his timhawk level reading comprehension. Just a pit treat :love:
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The best candidates and those that would actually be good at the job in the GOP are the same and are as follows:
1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Bush
Cruz is a demagogue who sounds like he is running for student body president or something.
I used sociopath but demagogue is a much better description
Other demagogues include, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Jeb Bush.
I think you need to bookmark www.merriam-webster.com
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Absolutely love when fsd shows off his timhawk level reading comprehension. Just a pit treat :love:
You shouldn't use words you don't understand
^^^
Protip: I'm insinuating you are dumb
#pittreat
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:lol:
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I'd suggest that you read the comments again, but I don't think it would help you understand why you're wrong. Poor fsd, at least you have yard dog as your mental equivalent tho :thumbs:
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Rubio is my favorite now. He is the candidate the Clintonestas fear resemble the most.
How so?
Of all of the legit candidates left, sorry Jeb, Chris, John, and Carly, they are the two closest to the center.
Slick Willie=W=O=Hilz=Marco all big money establishment Washington insiders in the pocket of big banking and deathly afraid to take big stands based on conviction
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@7 What are you insinuating here?
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That you have a reading related learning disability
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Rubio is a supply sider, and therefore I won't be voting for him. He seems much more rational and normal than the other most of the other GOP candidates. Seriously his tax plan is awful, if he had real balls he would propose no taxes, as that would lead to infinite economic growth with the way conservatives score tax plans.
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You understand what supply side economics is, or difference between fiscal and economic policy.
I find it facinating that in libtard lexicon, "supply side" is a perjorative. Part of rewriting Reagan, Clinton and Bush's legacy I suppose.
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I read an article on librag slate and I'm changing my horse to aspy so'path Teddy Cruise
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I read an article on librag slate and I'm changing my horse to aspy so'path Teddy Cruise
I'm so jealous of your advanced ballot for 2016
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I like how all the people posting comments think the Republican Party is a government agency. :Carl:
After hearing him respond to this on multiple occasions, I am confident anyone who attacks him on it will be shut down effectively. NPR said this morning that Jeb will be using it in the debate tomorrow. We all know what happens when Jeb tries to attack Marco.
It is amazing to me that this appears to be the strongest attack against Rubio, and how incredibly weak it is.
Rubio's biggest weakness is his duplicity on immigration, but folks like Jeb and Hillary can't attack him on that.
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You understand what supply side economics is, or difference between fiscal and economic policy.
I find it facinating that in libtard lexicon, "supply side" is a perjorative. Part of rewriting Reagan, Clinton and Bush's legacy I suppose.
The theory behind supply side economics is unlike in Keynsian models, you try to move the supply curve, by increasing investments. You do this lowering taxes on capital so it will theoretically make people want to invest their capital in businesses therefore increasing productivity which in theory would move the supply curve down.
Another component of supply side economics is fiscal responsibility as a high national debt should raise interest rates and therefore making it more attractive for people with capital to save money rather than invest that capital in businesses.
Did I answer you question satisfactorily for your tastes or would you like me to go on?
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I'm still hoping for this Bush/Rubio surge. Could they (either one or a combination) overcome a Carson/Trump ticket? Would draw a pretty big line between the two parties within the party. Could be what the GOP needs to finally split.
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We will rally around Rubio. After tonights debate he will be the hot steaming turd everyone will want to smell. WUD is hurting himself attacking Carson who is a darling of social conservatives.
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Herman cain?
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I'm still hoping for this Bush/Rubio surge. Could they (either one or a combination) overcome a Carson/Trump ticket? Would draw a pretty big line between the two parties within the party. Could be what the GOP needs to finally split.
Yes, Rubio can overcome Carson and Trump. No, Jeb cannot. No, Rubio would not "split" the GOP. At worst it would be another Romney 2012 where some conservatives stay home and therefore help elect Hillary. But I think that's less likely this time around.
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I'm still hoping for this Bush/Rubio surge. Could they (either one or a combination) overcome a Carson/Trump ticket? Would draw a pretty big line between the two parties within the party. Could be what the GOP needs to finally split.
1. Conflating Cain and Carson is awfully :opcat:, libtardracist dave
2. Ive never heard the "Gop" is gonna split, which narrative is a little overplayed, particularly by libtards, in the context of Trump/Carson. Interesting
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@FSD did I answer your question on supply side economics well enough for your tastes? Or is everyone that disagrees with you just a libtard that isn't smart enough to understand such complicated things as economic theory.
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@FSD did I answer your question on supply side economics well enough for your tastes? Or is everyone that disagrees with you just a libtard that isn't smart enough to understand such complicated things as economic theory.
Thanks for the question, chuckjames. I didn't ask you a question.
I simply observed how absurd your post was. Your supply side synopsis doesn't make you original post any less absurd.
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@FSD did I answer your question on supply side economics well enough for your tastes? Or is everyone that disagrees with you just a libtard that isn't smart enough to understand such complicated things as economic theory.
Thanks for the question, chuckjames. I didn't ask you a question.
I simply observed how absurd your post was. Your supply side synopsis doesn't make you original post any less absurd.
Ahh so by insinuating I didn't know what supply side economics was you were really saying that my post was absurd.
Was my post more less or absurd than promising huge economic growth after a tax break? We will let the economy of Kansas tell us.
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Chuck, if you genuinely believe raising taxes fosters more economic growth than cutting taxes, I doubt you'll ever understand what's absurd about your post.
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The best candidates and those that would actually be good at the job in the GOP are the same and are as follows:
1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Bush
Cruz is a demagogue who sounds like he is running for student body president or something.
I used sociopath but demagogue is a much better description
Other demagogues include, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Jeb Bush.
I think you need to bookmark www.merriam-webster.com
Demagogue: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason
I stand by my assertion that Clinton, Trump, and Bush, try to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason. If in this instance you are willing to assume that the arguments rile the constituents emotions so that they abandon reason.
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Chuck, if you genuinely believe raising taxes fosters more economic growth than cutting taxes, I doubt you'll ever understand what's absurd about your post.
I do not believe this, I believe that many times conservatives (supplysiders) over estimate the economic growth a tax cut will create. Kansas is a very good example of this.
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Chuck, if you genuinely believe raising taxes fosters more economic growth than cutting taxes, I doubt you'll ever understand what's absurd about your post.
I do not believe this, I believe that many times conservatives (supplysiders) over estimate the economic growth a tax cut will create. Kansas is a very good example of this.
I think the mistake was underestimating the lack of desire for a company to relocate to Kansas regardless of tax incentives. Good plan, wrong location.
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I disagree with @therickwilson a lot, but I enjoy readin his tweets and his sense of humor.
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Marco is killing it tonight. :love:
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Killing it where?
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this one has been better than i thought it would be, so far
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I love it when the moderators ask serious questions. This has been good.
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I love it when the moderators ask serious questions. This has been good.
agreed
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I love it when the moderators ask serious questions. This has been good.
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Only a sociopath would cut HUD
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Damn it. Rubio just went full lib with this "pro-family" tax proposal, and Rand Paul now kicking his ass. Ugg. First stumble ive seen.
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Ok. Well Rubio hit back pretty well on Paul's isolationism, but his tax credit is still stupid.
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Oh snap now he's going after big sugar.
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this is good stuff right here
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Carly pops in with a nice rejoinder re zero based budgeting. She's right.
yes it's good stuff. Great debate.
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China is a key buzzword tonight
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trump has absolutely embarrassed himself tonight
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Paul!!!!! :lol: Clowns Trump.
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omfg rand :lol:
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trump has absolutely embarrassed himself tonight
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rand should've gone for the throat harder there. still, how embarrassing for donald.
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Kasich getting bitch slapped by the moderator was pretty great
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Yeah I liked that too.
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POOTIN!
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How does anyone actually listen to Ben Carson and want him to be president?
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Jeb, GTFO out of Syria bro. Unless it's to overfly to take out ISIS.
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How does anyone actually listen to Ben Carson and want him to be president?
We need to make them look like losers.
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Damn it Trump. You suck so bad.
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Only Trump could manage to make Jeb look good he's scoring points here.
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Carly doing quite well.
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carly likes to pop the mic
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You can't spell global hegemony without Carly
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There you go Rubio. He is ridiculous strong on foreign policy.
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Jeb has been terrible.
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There you go Rubio. He is ridiculous strong on foreign policy.
I think he looks like a dope. But I'm 100% with rand on foreign policy so maybe i'm the dope.
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It is amazing how similarly hawkish everyone in Kasich-Jeb!-Rubio-Carly wing is.
Rand is most coherent and brings up the obvious point that a no-fly zone means shooting down Russian jets.
Trump at least able to admit that Iraq was a disaster.
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Kasich would be a good cabinet member.
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Rand is most coherent and brings up the obvious point that a no-fly zone means shooting down Russian jets.
I like how he pointed out that the US military is already the worlds best military by about a billion and people are still like "WE NEED A STRONGER MILITARY!"
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Rubio is giving the best answers. His forward talk about a new century is what MG fears the most. I liked his comments about a family friendly tax code. Rand is not republican.
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Rubio is the clear winner of this debate.
Carson's support has peaked, he may even win Iowa, but there is no one that is not an evangelical voting for him.
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Rand is not republican.
What makes you say that?
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rand and rubio have been good tonight, pretty forgettable evening for everyone else
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Trump is done hopefully
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Lol. "That's a great question. And let me begin by answering it." But then he doesn't begin by answering it.
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Rubio missed an opportunity to point out what Paul just said. That Hillary has a lot of offices under her belt but no good accomplishments.
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Rubio is pretty great.
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I agree that Rubio and Paul are doing great. Fiorina is also quite good and I am mystified she is not running higher among the non-politician candidates.
Kasich is just simply awful. So is Trump.
Cruz is doing fine, but I can't see how this is helping him.
Carson is simply too meek. He's gonna fade hard.
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is this over or still going? i need to decide whether to skim a replay or catch whatever's left (if any).
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I agree that Rubio and Paul are doing great. Fiorina is also quite good and I am mystified she is not running higher among the non-politician candidates.
Kasich is just simply awful. So is Trump.
Cruz is doing fine, but I can't see how this is helping him.
Carson is simply too meek. He's gonna fade hard.
His strong take about the US benefitting from strong "entrepreneurship" from 1776-1876 was a pretty hot take. Slavery as the new way to unlock innovation?
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is this over or still going? i need to decide whether to skim a replay or catch whatever's left (if any).
Still going, but almost over.
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about to have closing statements i think, sys
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i'm watching now. no willpower.
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CARLY! :Woot:
(I mean, it's still gotta be Rubio, but she had a great closing.)
Oh, and Jebs sucked. Bad.
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Guys. Rubio/Fiorina might be a great ticket.
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carly seems like she would do trump level bad things to this country
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Rubio is as close to Reaganesque as you can get. Cept the age thing. Holy crap.
Carsons closing sucked.
Trumps sucked. God he sucks.
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neil cavuto had to be a douche at the end :lol:
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carson belongs at the little kids table this thanksgiving, good grief that guy is terrible
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carly seems like she would do trump level bad things to this country
I don't even know what her other positions are outside of her extremely hawkish military viewpoints and it just completely turns me off to whatever else she has to say.
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And Cavuto closes with a final slam against CNN. Good for him. This is how you do a debate. They should never allow a lib moderator again.
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carly seems like she would do trump level bad things to this country
I don't even know what her other positions are outside of her extremely hawkish military viewpoints and it just completely turns me off to whatever else she has to say.
yeah, non-starter for me
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Incredible, substantive debate. Good to have adults in charge of it.
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Don't get why Fox Biz guys are blasting Jeb on banking, his points on the trials of regional and local banks were absolutely spot on.
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Don't get why Fox Biz guys are blasting Jeb on banking, his points on the trials of regional and local banks were absolutely spot on.
everybody hates jeb.
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Don't get why Fox Biz guys are blasting Jeb on banking, his points on the trials of regional and local banks were absolutely spot on.
everybody hates jeb.
Too Centrist for some I suppose.
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Don't get why Fox Biz guys are blasting Jeb on banking, his points on the trials of regional and local banks were absolutely spot on.
Jeb may have been the only person on that stage or among the moderators that knew the FDIC is an actual thing.
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Readin a fox news thing about its focus group that declared Rubio the winner. One guy liked that he had a vision for America. Others phrases like, passionate, youthful, articulate, and inspirational are used to describe him. My take. Nice, not a blowhard, reasonable, not a rigid ideolog, better looking man than MG, and a dirt grinder grunt boy from humble beginnings. No one gave him a million dollars to start life.
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Don't get why Fox Biz guys are blasting Jeb on banking, his points on the trials of regional and local banks were absolutely spot on.
Jeb may have been the only person on that stage or among the moderators that knew the FDIC is an actual thing.
I love Kasich, but when he said "what about the innocent depositors? You have to rescue the bank!" :facepalm:. Cruz understands the depositors are insured.
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still haven't watched the debate, so i don't know the context, but lots of depositors have over 250k. corporate accounts and the whatnot.
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still haven't watched the debate, so i don't know the context, but lots of depositors have over 250k. corporate accounts and the whatnot.
that's their problem.
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still haven't watched the debate, so i don't know the context, but lots of depositors have over 250k. corporate accounts and the whatnot.
that's their problem.
john kasich cares about his constituents' problems.
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Yeah, rescuing a tiny minority of depositors with over $250k sitting in deposit accounts is not a compelling reason for another massive bailout. It's just crony capitalism.
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still haven't watched the debate, so i don't know the context, but lots of depositors have over 250k. corporate accounts and the whatnot.
that's their problem.
john kasich cares about his constituents' problems.
They can open another account.
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Probably should just have a national Bank
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Or separate banks into parts that do standard banking stuff and parts that do speculative stuff and make sure that the two are not financially linked so that when the latter's risky behavior turns into economy AIDS, it doesn't directly infect the former.
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Or separate banks into parts that do standard banking stuff and parts that do speculative stuff and make sure that the two are not financially linked so that when the latter's risky behavior turns into economy AIDS, it doesn't directly infect the former.
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That's pretty much what the Glass-Steagall act did until it's repeal in 1999, leading to the 2008 collapse.
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still haven't watched the debate, so i don't know the context, but lots of depositors have over 250k. corporate accounts and the whatnot.
In retrospect kasich probably got boo'd for recognizing this exact point midway through his rant about protecting grannies and hard working Americans and letting "those that can afford it" take he hit.
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I would be very surprised if the fdic had the resources to pay up to $250k per deposit account at an institution the size of BOA or Wells. A bailout would almost certainly be required to make those people whole.
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At YE 2014, the fdic reserve fund had $52 billion in assets. BOA has at least 20x that in deposits.
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I think the bailout was a one time thing, you'd have a pretty unstable populace if it happened again
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Well shoot. Marco still hasn't learned his lesson on immigration. He's doomed in both the primary and the general unless he moves to stricter enforcement. It may already be too late.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/us/politics/despite-shift-rubios-work-on-immigration-creates-conservative-unease.html?_r=0&referer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/us/politics/despite-shift-rubios-work-on-immigration-creates-conservative-unease.html?_r=0&referer=)
And so he lingers around 9% in the polls and Cruz will soon overtake him as the top Trump alternative. I'll never understand why such gifted politicians have such gaping blind spots. I guess they surround themselves with the wrong people that warp their perception of the electorate.
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It's that part of him that's a decent human being
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I would be very surprised if the fdic had the resources to pay up to $250k per deposit account at an institution the size of BOA or Wells. A bailout would almost certainly be required to make those people whole.
Yeah, it is very hard to know what anyone is talking about exactly because everyone uses short hand that is very vague and ill-defined:
"big banks"
"bailout"
But I don't know that there was anyone saying federally insured deposits should not be guaranteed.
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I think Rubio is going to win the nomination , Clinton campaign does too, so does Vegas
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There is no one I trust more on the topic of national security in the presidential field right now. Rubio gets it. I wish people could see that.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/rubio_on_radical_islam_label_the_nazis_self-identified_as_nazis_we_werent_afraid_to_offend_germans.html
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I think Rubio is going to win the nomination , Clinton campaign does too, so does Vegas
Agree. Any other Republican would lose to MG, especially WUD, Carson and Bush. Did Vegas get the bets right in the past.
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I think Rubio is going to win the nomination , Clinton campaign does too, so does Vegas
Agree. Any other Republican would lose to MG, especially WUD, Carson and Bush. Did Vegas get the bets right in the past.
I can't deny the polls any longer. I keep telling myself after each lackluster debate performance by Trump and Carson that now they'll start to fade, and they keep improving their position. Americans, and conservative voters in particular, are angry - that's not a strong enough word, they're rough ridin' pissed and disgusted - at a political process and a Republican party that has betrayed them, particularly on immigration. They're not wrong to feel this way.
Rubio could have broken through if he had made a stronger shift toward immigration enforcement, but he's still trying to appease his donors (and perhaps his own sensibilities), and he's dooming his own candidacy.
If I had to make a guess today, Trump or Cruz will win the nomination, garner a very enthusiastic 45% of the vote in the general, and lose to Hillary Clinton in a landslide.
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And then hilldawg resigns because she's confused and bsands #berns the nation :love:
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
:lol:
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
If a voter's attention span is a few minutes, changing your position doesn't really matter. They do remember lies, though.
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Trump is just relying on the low information voters. The debates can't hurt him because his supporters don't watch them.
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
Common ground :love: :love:
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
If a voter's attention span is a few minutes, changing your position doesn't really matter. They do remember lies, though.
If only Rubio would take this advice. Hey Marco: Admit you were wrong, take a strong pro-enforcement stance, win nomination and presidency.
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
If a voter's attention span is a few minutes, changing your position doesn't really matter. They do remember lies, though.
If only Rubio would take this advice. Hey Marco: Admit you were wrong, take a strong pro-enforcement stance, win nomination and presidency.
I think a strong pro-enforcement stance goes against his personal beliefs, though.
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You guys thought Romney made a lot of 'Pubs stay home on election day, just wait until Trump or Carson are the nominee. Record low voter turnout this time around, you guys.
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
If a voter's attention span is a few minutes, changing your position doesn't really matter. They do remember lies, though.
If only Rubio would take this advice. Hey Marco: Admit you were wrong, take a strong pro-enforcement stance, win nomination and presidency.
Are you advocating that a presidential candidate take a stance they don't believe in to placate a block of sycophants? Wow, your point of view isn't what's wrong with American politics though.
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We have a year to go. If Trump tones down the rhetoric and personal attacks, he can beat Hillary. Not my choice, but I can see it happening. People dig authenticity, even if they don't agree with the message (sans wimpy college brats).
The problem is that Trump is not authentic - he just plays somebody authentic on TV. He changes his positions more frequently than I change my socks.
If a voter's attention span is a few minutes, changing your position doesn't really matter. They do remember lies, though.
If only Rubio would take this advice. Hey Marco: Admit you were wrong, take a strong pro-enforcement stance, win nomination and presidency.
Are you advocating that a presidential candidate take a stance they don't believe in to placate a block of sycophants? Wow, your point of view isn't what's wrong with American politics though.
No, I want him to understand that he made a mistake and change his position.
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Carson is fading, and his supporters are going to Cruz. http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/ia/ia11242015_Ic344mgh.pdf (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/ia/ia11242015_Ic344mgh.pdf)
Rubio can still count on a bump as the other "establishment" candidates drop, but I don't see how he can catch up unless he fixes his immigration problem.
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Carson is fading, and his supporters are going to Cruz. http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/ia/ia11242015_Ic344mgh.pdf (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/ia/ia11242015_Ic344mgh.pdf)
Rubio can still count on a bump as the other "establishment" candidates drop, but I don't see how he can catch up unless he fixes his immigration problem.
Well he has my vote if he doesn't buckle on immigration.
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Mine as well
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/30/rubio_no_reasonable_person_can_say_climate_change_is_a_bigger_threat_than_terrorism.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/30/rubio_no_reasonable_person_can_say_climate_change_is_a_bigger_threat_than_terrorism.html) :love:
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Terrorism isn't a very big threat either
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He means no reasonable pub candidate, in so much as one gets you elected and the other doesn't
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Marco Rubio. Stud. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-obamacare-affordable-care-act.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-obamacare-affordable-care-act.html)
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well the font, lowercase name, and america i dotting pretty much made him my (#official) 1a next to #bern
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Mark my words. Trump will drop out at some point due to health concerns. Carson will fade back to the OR. Rubio will suffer among the base for his Gang of 8 mistake. Cruz will be the nominee.
James Carville says he fears Cruz most. That's one hell of an endorsement!
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And to those who claim that Hillary is going to win unless their candidate gets the nomination, consider this...Hillary is Mitt Romney in a pantsuit.
History has shown that the answer to the Democrat party moving left is the Republican Party moving right. Where's Boehner? Where's Jeb? It's happening.
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well the font, lowercase name, and america i dotting pretty much made him my (#official) 1a next to #bern
To be fair, all of the logo designs this year are atrocious. So that's a wash.
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well the font, lowercase name, and america i dotting pretty much made him my (#official) 1a next to #bern
To be fair, all of the logo designs this year are atrocious. So that's a wash.
(https://jeb2016.com/wp-content/themes/jeb/library/images/[email protected])
I like jeb's.
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well the font, lowercase name, and america i dotting pretty much made him my (#official) 1a next to #bern
To be fair, all of the logo designs this year are atrocious. So that's a wash.
I am serious
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Most of the logo designs are pretty good, really.
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I am not sure it has been discussed on ge yet, so I wanted to bring it up here. Trump is polling at ~35%. So, supposedly he is "way out in front" but if a lot of the extra candidates started falling out, their support would start to funnel elsewhere. It is my belief it would go nowhere near Trump or Carson. That in mind, by the time Iowa comes around let's say we are down to 6 candidates. Will Trump's lead be anywhere near as big? Isn't it plausible that his numbers will stay stagnant ( they haven't ever really grown beyond where they are now) and his competitors will catch up?
I don't see it happening too soon because everyone still thinks they will win for some reason. (who is still whispering in Graham's ear that he has a chance?) But if Bush drops out you have to believe that his supporters and money go to Rubio. If that is the case, I don't see how he wouldn't rocket up to a solid second in the mid twenties. Then, you'll start seeing other candidates falter and that could continue.
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The gop is already leaking they are going to announce romney/paul again at the convention
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Bob dole plans to sleep in late on election day if trump or Cruz or anyone other than jeb is the guy. That may be a common condition.
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I am not sure it has been discussed on ge yet, so I wanted to bring it up here. Trump is polling at ~35%. So, supposedly he is "way out in front" but if a lot of the extra candidates started falling out, their support would start to funnel elsewhere. It is my belief it would go nowhere near Trump or Carson. That in mind, by the time Iowa comes around let's say we are down to 6 candidates. Will Trump's lead be anywhere near as big? Isn't it plausible that his numbers will stay stagnant ( they haven't ever really grown beyond where they are now) and his competitors will catch up?
I don't see it happening too soon because everyone still thinks they will win for some reason. (who is still whispering in Graham's ear that he has a chance?) But if Bush drops out you have to believe that his supporters and money go to Rubio. If that is the case, I don't see how he wouldn't rocket up to a solid second in the mid twenties. Then, you'll start seeing other candidates falter and that could continue.
It's coming down to Trump versus Rubio/Cruz. Even if all the other candidates fold, and most will, and even if all of their supporters go to Cruz/Rubio, and most will, Trump can remain competitive as long as Rubio and Cruz are splitting the rest of the vote and delegates.
What should concern all conservatives is not Trump himself, but Trump's supporters. I don't think Trump will go third party, but I do think there are a lot of people supporting Trump because they are furious at the Republican party's general ineptitude and betrayal on key issues like immigration. Many of these people will stay home on election day, which could very well lead to another Romney-style defeat - even to a candidate as lousy as Hillary Clinton.
Cruz is in a far better position to bring those disaffected conservatives back into the fold. Rubio will have far more appeal to independents. Which is more important? After seeing what happened to Romney in 2012, I gotta say that rallying the base and bringing in Rust Belt blue collar traditional Dems may be more important than chasing "Independents." Cruz might actually be the stronger general election candidate.
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it's hard for me to imagine that rubio and cruz supporters see them as interchangeable.
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it's hard for me to imagine that rubio and cruz supporters see them as interchangeable.
Yeah, there's no way.
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Rubio is as crazy as Cruz. He's just polished.
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Cruz is well spoken trump, same voting base
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Why is Ben Carson being ignored here!?
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Trump 37% 35% 42% 35% 37.6% 41% 27% 27% 36% 36% 27% 37% 37% 37% 28% 34.60%
Cruz 11% 13% 16% 16% 7.6% 7% 17% 13% 10% 16% 16% 11% 12% 11% 14% 12.96%
Carson 13% 8% 9% 13% 13.1% 12% 10% 15% 17% 14% 16% 9% 15% 10% 18% 12.74%
Rubio 12% 18% 11% 9% 12% 10% 16% 14% 7% 12% 17% 10% 14% 15% 14% 12.55%
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Why is Ben Carson being ignored here!?
15-day
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Trump 37% 35% 42% 35% 37.6% 41% 27% 27% 36% 36% 27% 37% 37% 37% 28% 34.60%
Cruz 11% 13% 16% 16% 7.6% 7% 17% 13% 10% 16% 16% 11% 12% 11% 14% 12.96%
Carson 13% 8% 9% 13% 13.1% 12% 10% 15% 17% 14% 16% 9% 15% 10% 18% 12.74%
Rubio 12% 18% 11% 9% 12% 10% 16% 14% 7% 12% 17% 10% 14% 15% 14% 12.55%
He's being ignored because he doesn't have a path to victory. He's also fading in the polls.
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Cruz is well spoken trump, same voting base
Not exactly the same voting base, but close. Like I said, Cruz is the candidate best positioned to get Trump's supporters to the polls.
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it's hard for me to imagine that rubio and cruz supporters see them as interchangeable.
I didn't say they were interchangeable, but they're close enough that the vast majority of one's supporters will ultimately fall in line and vote for the other on election day. I'm concerned that's not the case for many Trump supporters.
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He gets the renocat vote.
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So basically Marco just admitted he is the Iowa State of the GOP field.
https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/676051471717302272
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Dork
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A new cnn and nbc poll shows rubio beating MG, not trump. My dream is beating hillary.
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So basically Marco just admitted he is the Iowa State of the GOP field.
https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/676051471717302272
Interesting tactic to court the Iowa vote.
He's got no chance to win in Iowa and he knows it, he's right second place here would be very good. Iowa is a weird place because it's moderate politically but guys far right do well. It's odd because Iowa also isn't at all evangelical. Bear in mind psycho Rick Santorum A.K.A 2012 Ted Cruz won Iowa during the last caucus.
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Iowa is a ridiculous state and it makes absolutely no sense for them to have the first primary or for the candidates/media to attach so much importance to it. Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Colorado should go first. But I guess that only matters if you want the primary process to pick the most conservative candidate who can actually win.
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Iowa is a ridiculous state and it makes absolutely no sense for them to have the first primary or for the candidates/media to attach so much importance to it. Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Colorado should go first. But I guess that only matters if you want the primary process to pick the most conservative candidate who can actually win.
Oh hey we actually agree on something. I don't really care about picking the candidate but Iowa given this much political power is extremely annoying. :shrugs:
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Carson still hanging right with the top candidates.
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Trump 41% 38% 27% 37% 35% 42% 35% 37.6% 41% 27% 27% 36% 36% 27% 37% 35.35%
Cruz 14% 14% 22% 11% 13% 16% 16% 7.6% 7% 17% 13% 10% 16% 16% 11% 13.58%
Rubio 10% 10% 15% 12% 18% 11% 9% 12% 10% 16% 14% 7% 12% 17% 10% 12.00%
Carson 9% 11% 11% 13% 8% 9% 13% 13.1% 12% 10% 15% 17% 14% 16% 9% 11.93%
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Carson still hanging right with the top candidates.
15-day
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Trump 41% 38% 27% 37% 35% 42% 35% 37.6% 41% 27% 27% 36% 36% 27% 37% 35.35%
Cruz 14% 14% 22% 11% 13% 16% 16% 7.6% 7% 17% 13% 10% 16% 16% 11% 13.58%
Rubio 10% 10% 15% 12% 18% 11% 9% 12% 10% 16% 14% 7% 12% 17% 10% 12.00%
Carson 9% 11% 11% 13% 8% 9% 13% 13.1% 12% 10% 15% 17% 14% 16% 9% 11.93%
Those polls don't matter. The primary is like a basketball tournament with different regions. He doesn't have a path to victory. Trump is monopolizing the "eff you GOP" region. Cruz is getting a slice of that region plus the social conservative region. Rubio is locking in the establishment region (which Carson was never going to compete in anyway).
If Carson can somehow take first or second in Iowa, he can make a case for continuing his campaign, but I think he finishes third at this point behind Trump and Cruz.
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How big of an bad person do you have to be to think trump isn't socially conservative enough for you? :lol:
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chum1, are the newest data on the left or right?
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chum1, are the newest data on the left or right?
Right. Far right is average of past 15 days.
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thanks, chum1.
the chances of at least one of trump or carson going third party have to be at least 75%.
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thanks, chum1.
the chances of at least one of trump or carson going third party have to be at least 75%.
I don't think Carson has the motivation, trump almost assuredly will if he doesn't get the GOP nod.
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thanks, chum1.
the chances of at least one of trump or carson going third party have to be at least 75%.
I don't think Carson has the motivation, trump almost assuredly will if he doesn't get the GOP nod.
Carson said last week he won't and unlike Trump we have no reason not to believe him.
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I'm pumped for tonight's debate.
Cruz is going to be coming after Rubio and I think so will Trump. I am hoping Rubio can shut them down like he shut down Jeb.
I'm all :excited:
Just hope tonight convinces a few more candidates to drop out.
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Carson said last week he won't and unlike Trump we have no reason not to believe him.
If this was the beginning of a plan to subvert the will of the voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, I assure you Donald Trump will not be the only one leaving the party.
If it became clear that they were using various types of procedures to get around the will of the people, I would leave, I just wouldn’t want to be any part of it. I might go back to being an Independent.
he left himself room to wiggle.
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Carson said last week he won't and unlike Trump we have no reason not to believe him.
If this was the beginning of a plan to subvert the will of the voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, I assure you Donald Trump will not be the only one leaving the party.
If it became clear that they were using various types of procedures to get around the will of the people, I would leave, I just wouldn’t want to be any part of it. I might go back to being an Independent.
he left himself room to wiggle.
He specifically said after he said those quotes that while he would leave the party he wouldn't run in this election as a third party candidate.
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Is this the debate thread? How did Christie get back on the stage?
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So rubio had an affair and maybe child that he was using gop money to pay for
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lets just leave the position open for four years.
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Lindsey Graham is calling it quits. Meanwhile, the folks at Rubio HQ share a congratulatory toast and wait for their guy's poll numbers to rocket from 12% to 12.00003%.
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Lindsey Graham is calling it quits. Meanwhile, the folks at Rubio HQ share a congratulatory toast and wait for their guy's poll numbers to rocket from 12% to 12.00003%.
I'm hoping that a few more people will drop out. Get this trend going. Just so the presidential looks more legit and less like a clown car. The good thing about Graham dropping out is if Rubio is making a push he wont have to worry about losing votes to Graham in South Carolina.
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For those voters that hold having good Christian morals as an important factor in a president, this is a must watch video.
https://youtu.be/NXZq3QvXq6c
For those of you that react to this and think "religion shouldn't have anything to do with politics" I think you are misinterpreting the separation of church and state. That mandate was there so that the government couldn't set up a church of the state. Everyone should be allowed to believe what they want and openly be able to practice that faith without ridicule or condemnation by the law. That being said, I value someone with good morals in the white house. If that morality is based in Christianity, I don't think that it diminishes the value in any way.
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Gross
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Marco calling out all the people who voted for the USA Freedom Act (and our 4th amendment rights) was an interesting tactic considering it was the same week that Gowdy (who voted for it) endorsed him.
Edit: after reading what was actually in the bill, we still don't have our 4th amendment rights. :cry:
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For those voters that hold having good Christian morals as an important factor in a president, this is a must watch video.
https://youtu.be/NXZq3QvXq6c
For those of you that react to this and think "religion shouldn't have anything to do with politics" I think you are misinterpreting the separation of church and state. That mandate was there so that the government couldn't set up a church of the state. Everyone should be allowed to believe what they want and openly be able to practice that faith without ridicule or condemnation by the law. That being said, I value someone with good morals in the white house. If that morality is based in Christianity, I don't think that it diminishes the value in any way.
All 44 presidents have been Christians, all of the current ballot eligible candidates are Christians (some even lie about being Christians but whatever) as well. I can see the need to stand up for Christians in the face of the intolerance of Christians and the suffocatingly strong anti-Christian rhetoric in America. Stay strong Yard Dog, we can all get through this together with the help of our little brown Christian knight, Marco.
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For those voters that hold having good Christian morals as an important factor in a president, this is a must watch video.
https://youtu.be/NXZq3QvXq6c
For those of you that react to this and think "religion shouldn't have anything to do with politics" I think you are misinterpreting the separation of church and state. That mandate was there so that the government couldn't set up a church of the state. Everyone should be allowed to believe what they want and openly be able to practice that faith without ridicule or condemnation by the law. That being said, I value someone with good morals in the white house. If that morality is based in Christianity, I don't think that it diminishes the value in any way.
All 44 presidents have been Christians, all of the current ballot eligible candidates are Christians (some even lie about being Christians but whatever) as well. I can see the need to stand up for Christians in the face of the intolerance of Christians and the suffocatingly strong anti-Christian rhetoric in America. Stay strong Yard Dog, we can all get through this together with the help of our little brown Christian knight, Marco.
Currently Wacko candidates like Ted Cruz are trying to pump themselves up as the most Christian option. This will unfortunately sway voters who don't see past that as their voting motivation. Some Christians that were undecided or leaning towards other candidates were surprised and immediately enthusiastic about Rubio as a candidate when I shared this video with them.
Everyone has different political policy opinions that weigh the heaviest on their minds. Rubio is a great all around candidate. This just helps prove it further to those who put up good Christian morals as an important factor. For people who don't give a rip if a candidate is Christian, he is good at all the other stuff too.
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Does obama follow good christian morals?
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Does obama follow good christian morals?
Christians are being murdered by isis in vast amounts and he hasn't mentioned it or done anything about it.
Doesn't sound like good Christian morals to me.
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I knew your answer would be great lol
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Does obama follow good christian morals?
Christians are being murdered by isis in vast amounts and he hasn't mentioned it or done anything about it.
Doesn't sound like good Christian morals to me.
holy eff :ROFL:
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I knew your answer would be great lol
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427044/christians-isis-genocide-obama-administration
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Did you read the actual article that obviously misinforming opinion piece references? :lol:
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Keep going yardie, this is great.
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I love the idea of yard dog finishing that article and actually thinking "yup, I see no red flags that this is lying to me, that gosh dang obama needs replaced with a good moral christian"
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I wonder how professed good Christians square questioning the honesty of a professed Christian because they disagree with his political views, seems super Un-Christian to me.
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I love the idea of yard dog finishing that article and actually thinking "yup, I see no red flags that this is lying to me, that gosh dang obama needs replaced with a good moral christian"
Well you love an untrue idea then. In that case cling to it if you want. I don't mind. It isn't about who is the best Christian, that is what people like Ted Cruz are pushing for. It is about who are we going to put in office that will have good morals.
I'd rather have Obama in office who is visibly shaken about talking about the deaths of children at Sandy Hook than someone who is indifferent to the death of their people.
Whether or not someone is a "good Christian" is not up to me to decide. That is between him/her and their Lord. The initial intent was to show for those that it would matter to that, yes, Marco is a Christian and obviously not in words only. When you have someone in power who is a Christian in words only (some believe that is the story for Obama, but I don't have an opinion or evidence on that matter) it tends to misrepresent the whole.
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You do have an opinion tho, and you attempted to show evidence
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You do have an opinion tho, and you attempted to show evidence
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Nah, you want to know the truth? When you asked that I googled the subject matter, skimmed through some articles, copied and pasted the one that seemed interesting enough here and moved on. Those five minutes or so are probably the most all at one time moment that I have spent even considering the validity of Obama's dedication to his Christian faith.
Obama isn't actually the enemy in all this. He was elected into office and he has done the best job in his mind. Good for that. Now it is time to change control at the ballot box. Another term or two of people who are farther left than he is might be extremely detrimental to the country. Isolationism or presenting a weak front abroad will only put our country in further danger of terror. That isn't fear mongering, that is truth. I think Marco has the best understanding of this and the best perspective going forward. Add into that the conniving nature of the lead candidates on both sides who obviously have questionable morals and the need to push a better candidate forward is even more pressing.
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Love it when yard dog uses big words :lol:
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Love it when yard dog uses big words :lol:
Now if only I could figure out punctuation. I'd be on to something!
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Down to 4th place in the newest New Hapshire poll.
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Down to 4th place in the newest New Hapshire poll.
He is at 12% while Cruz and Kasich are at 14% with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.8%. So. . .considering the margin of error, he is somewhere between second and fifth.
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Down to 4th place in the newest New Hapshire poll.
He is at 12% while Cruz and Kasich are at 14% with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.8%. So. . .considering the margin of error, he is somewhere between second and fifth.
He's behind Kasich? :sdeek:
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Down to 4th place in the newest New Hapshire poll.
He is at 12% while Cruz and Kasich are at 14% with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.8%. So. . .considering the margin of error, he is somewhere between second and fifth.
He's behind Kasich? :sdeek:
Well the polling folks called 400 people and determined from that that Kasich is doing well in New Hampshire. With the margin of error, he might be leading Kasich by as much as 7 points.
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Down to 4th place in the newest New Hapshire poll.
He is at 12% while Cruz and Kasich are at 14% with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.8%. So. . .considering the margin of error, he is somewhere between second and fifth.
He's behind Kasich? :sdeek:
Well the polling folks called 400 people and determined from that that Kasich is doing well in New Hampshire. With the margin of error, he might be leading Kasich by as much as 7 points.
great work yardog, can you whip up the numbers for the amount he may be trailing kasich by?
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Down to 4th place in the newest New Hapshire poll.
He is at 12% while Cruz and Kasich are at 14% with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.8%. So. . .considering the margin of error, he is somewhere between second and fifth.
He's behind Kasich? :sdeek:
Well the polling folks called 400 people and determined from that that Kasich is doing well in New Hampshire. With the margin of error, he might be leading Kasich by as much as 7 points.
great work yardog, can you whip up the numbers for the amount he may be trailing kasich by?
It could be by as much as 12. But hey, they called 400 people, so that is super accurate, don't you worry.
There are rumblings that Rubio might pick up Nikki Haley's endorsement, which would be huge.
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:lol: you adorably unaware little puppy
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Carson and Rubio still neck and neck.
Trump 37% 36% 38% 34% 35% 41% 35% 39% 35% 39% 35.9% 28% 34% 36% 39% 36.57%
Cruz 20% 19% 20% 18% 20% 15% 18% 13% 19% 18% 20.7% 24% 18% 11% 18% 18.57%
Rubio 14% 12% 11% 9% 13% 8% 13% 9% 14% 10% 13.4% 12% 13% 9% 11% 11.43%
Carson 6% 6% 9% 8% 10% 11% 9% 10% 7% 10% 7.1% 10% 6% 12% 9% 8.43%
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I'm hoping with a trimmed down debate on Thursday he can make positive strides towards locking down the undecideds and possibly flip some people who aren't 100% confident in their current choice.
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Welp, guess we can close this thread down. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/marco-rubio-immigrants-217895 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/marco-rubio-immigrants-217895)
I thought Marco was The One, but it seems he's just not gonna change his position on immigration. He appears to be getting some spectacularly bad advice on Republican views on illegal immigration and he's doubling down.
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Wait that's it? He's out for you now, bc he doesn't want to deport everybody?
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Do you guys get the political ads in Kansas? Rubio is running an ad where he tells three flat out lies, not loose interpretations of the truth, but just flat out lies. Rubio also has a super PAC that is infatuated with Jeb, dude is polling at like 4% but Marco's super PAC has a weird obsession with him.
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Just saw a bizarre Jeb ad (get the Iowa spillover ads here) which was attacking Rubio. I had a very WTF reaction to it. Like, the guy in 8th place or whatever is spending money running attack ads against the guy in 3rd?
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Do you guys get the political ads in Kansas? Rubio is running an ad where he tells three flat out lies, not loose interpretations of the truth, but just flat out lies. Rubio also has a super PAC that is infatuated with Jeb, dude is polling at like 4% but Marco's super PAC has a weird obsession with him.
Which lies is Marco telling the good people of Iowa?
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Just saw a bizarre Jeb ad (get the Iowa spillover ads here) which was attacking Rubio. I had a very WTF reaction to it. Like, the guy in 8th place or whatever is spending money running attack ads against the guy in 3rd?
Rubio is the smartest play for the Jeb team. Just like Trump and Cruz are tied together as representative of the radical/anti-establishment pub vote, Rubio and Jeb are tied together as representative of the moderate/establishment vote. Jeb has a better shot at winning over potential Rubio supporters than he does of winning over potential Trump/Cruz voters. They appeal to the same type of voters.
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Ks gets no ads.
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Just saw a bizarre Jeb ad (get the Iowa spillover ads here) which was attacking Rubio. I had a very WTF reaction to it. Like, the guy in 8th place or whatever is spending money running attack ads against the guy in 3rd?
Rubio is the smartest play for the Jeb team. Just like Trump and Cruz are tied together as representative of the radical/anti-establishment pub vote, Rubio and Jeb are tied together as representative of the moderate/establishment vote. Jeb has a better shot at winning over potential Rubio supporters than he does of winning over potential Trump/Cruz voters. They appeal to the same type of voters.
That makes sense
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Conservatives are too damn stupid to nominate the person who could.be the next President because of.hatred for Mexicans. I happen to be a smart conservative so I can support Marco. Screw the polls sampling of.morons who support trump over other candidates.
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Welp, guess we can close this thread down. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/marco-rubio-immigrants-217895 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/marco-rubio-immigrants-217895)
the article on how trump supporter correlates well with authoritarianism was interesting.
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Love that ksuw's breaking point is that rubio isn't a piece of crap so he's unelectable
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Trump won't do a damn thing he says he will do. He will keep nice Mexicans too.
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Love that ksuw's breaking point is that rubio isn't a piece of crap so he's unelectable
http://www.theonion.com/article/rubio-refutes-claim-he-soft-immigration-dragging-u-52175
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Wait that's it? He's out for you now, bc he doesn't want to deport everybody?
I did not say he was out for me. Even though I prefer a harder stance on law enforcement, I would still support him. I'm saying he has torpedo'd his chance to get the nomination. Repeatedly. His misreading of the GOP electorate on immigration is nothing short of political malpractice. I think he's misreading the general electorate, too, to an extent, as it appears that many traditional Dems are also clammoring for strict border enforcement. This is the source of Trump's bipartisan appeal and his meteoric rise.
And by the way, the "deport everybody" line is quite possibly the biggest strawman in the immigration debate (and shame on Marco for using it).
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Do you guys get the political ads in Kansas? Rubio is running an ad where he tells three flat out lies, not loose interpretations of the truth, but just flat out lies. Rubio also has a super PAC that is infatuated with Jeb, dude is polling at like 4% but Marco's super PAC has a weird obsession with him.
Which lies is Marco telling the good people of Iowa?
He made six claims in a 30 second ad
1. Prisoners released from Gitmo (I'm assuming he means the ones released in the Bergdahl deal) are plotting to attack us. He didn't say anything like I think or, could be, he said "they are planning to attack us" without equivocation.
2. "Instead of fighting to fund our troops he's fighting to fund Planned Parenthood."
3. "His plan after the attack in San Bernardino, take away our guns."
One truth:
1. "He cut a deal with Iran." Which is mostly true, it was a coalition deal but whatever
Then there was this:
"He spies on Israel." This one isn't a lie but it's using a small part of the truth with the intent to mislead. Yes, our country spies on Israel, and our country will continue to do so no matter who the president is. They also spy on us.
Finally this:
"He says climate change is our greatest threat." I can't find this direct quote, I can only find right leaning blogs that claim that Obama said it but nothing directly attributing the quote to him. I won't put it in the out and out lie section but it smells funny.
So six claims; three lies, two questionable, one close to the unequivocal truth.
Here's the ad https://youtu.be/XMMwWXWCCn8
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I saw this ad during the Seahawks v. Panthers game today, it is the most adorable presidential ad OAT
https://youtu.be/bqL2ZiP8AvE
It's kind of funny though because a Ted Cruz super PAC has been running this ad for a few weeks which is hilarious.
https://youtu.be/HU9pAxbHHGY
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Do you guys get the political ads in Kansas? Rubio is running an ad where he tells three flat out lies, not loose interpretations of the truth, but just flat out lies. Rubio also has a super PAC that is infatuated with Jeb, dude is polling at like 4% but Marco's super PAC has a weird obsession with him.
Which lies is Marco telling the good people of Iowa?
He made six claims in a 30 second ad
1. Prisoners released from Gitmo (I'm assuming he means the ones released in the Bergdahl deal) are plotting to attack us. He didn't say anything like I think or, could be, he said "they are planning to attack us" without equivocation.
2. "Instead of fighting to fund our troops he's fighting to fund Planned Parenthood."
3. "His plan after the attack in San Bernardino, take away our guns."
One truth:
1. "He cut a deal with Iran." Which is mostly true, it was a coalition deal but whatever
Then there was this:
"He spies on Israel." This one isn't a lie but it's using a small part of the truth with the intent to mislead. Yes, our country spies on Israel, and our country will continue to do so no matter who the president is. They also spy on us.
Finally this:
"He says climate change is our greatest threat." I can't find this direct quote, I can only find right leaning blogs that claim that Obama said it but nothing directly attributing the quote to him. I won't put it in the out and out lie section but it smells funny.
So six claims; three lies, two questionable, one close to the unequivocal truth.
Here's the ad https://youtu.be/XMMwWXWCCn8
What an odd thing to be butthurt about. While certainly exaggerations, seems like there's at least a grain of truth to every one of those claims, which makes it more truthful than many political ads.
1. Gitmo detainees plotting to attack the US is untrue? What evidence do you have of that? There is plenty of evidence that many former Gitmo detainees have returned to the battlefield. You really think all of them wouldn't attack US interests if given the opportunity? Weird claim to take issue with.
2. Fighting harder for PP funding than troop funding. Again, this is at least partially true. He threatened to veto any spending bill that refunded PP. He also did veto a troop funding bill because it, among other things, thwarted his ability to further release Gitmo detainees. http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2000632/ (http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2000632/)
3. Wanting to take away our guns. Probably the biggest exaggeration, but still somewhat truthful. You cNt really argue that this isn't what he really desires. Why, then, does he keep citing Australia as a successful gun control model - where they confiscated guns?
4. Cut a deal with Iran. True. And a shitty deal at that.
5. Spies on Israel. True.
6. He said climate change our biggest threat. True. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/climate-change-us-obama/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/climate-change-us-obama/)
But mainly, not sure why you're getting so butthurt over an ad by a candidate who won't get the nomination.
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:lol:
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Do you guys get the political ads in Kansas? Rubio is running an ad where he tells three flat out lies, not loose interpretations of the truth, but just flat out lies. Rubio also has a super PAC that is infatuated with Jeb, dude is polling at like 4% but Marco's super PAC has a weird obsession with him.
Which lies is Marco telling the good people of Iowa?
He made six claims in a 30 second ad
1. Prisoners released from Gitmo (I'm assuming he means the ones released in the Bergdahl deal) are plotting to attack us. He didn't say anything like I think or, could be, he said "they are planning to attack us" without equivocation.
2. "Instead of fighting to fund our troops he's fighting to fund Planned Parenthood."
3. "His plan after the attack in San Bernardino, take away our guns."
One truth:
1. "He cut a deal with Iran." Which is mostly true, it was a coalition deal but whatever
Then there was this:
"He spies on Israel." This one isn't a lie but it's using a small part of the truth with the intent to mislead. Yes, our country spies on Israel, and our country will continue to do so no matter who the president is. They also spy on us.
Finally this:
"He says climate change is our greatest threat." I can't find this direct quote, I can only find right leaning blogs that claim that Obama said it but nothing directly attributing the quote to him. I won't put it in the out and out lie section but it smells funny.
So six claims; three lies, two questionable, one close to the unequivocal truth.
Here's the ad https://youtu.be/XMMwWXWCCn8
What an odd thing to be butthurt about. While certainly exaggerations, seems like there's at least a grain of truth to every one of those claims, which makes it more truthful than many political ads.
1. Gitmo detainees plotting to attack the US is untrue? What evidence do you have of that? There is plenty of evidence that many former Gitmo detainees have returned to the battlefield. You really think all of them wouldn't attack US interests if given the opportunity? Weird claim to take issue with.
2. Fighting harder for PP funding than troop funding. Again, this is at least partially true. He threatened to veto any spending bill that refunded PP. He also did veto a troop funding bill because it, among other things, thwarted his ability to further release Gitmo detainees. http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2000632/ (http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2000632/)
3. Wanting to take away our guns. Probably the biggest exaggeration, but still somewhat truthful. You cNt really argue that this isn't what he really desires. Why, then, does he keep citing Australia as a successful gun control model - where they confiscated guns?
4. Cut a deal with Iran. True. And a shitty deal at that.
5. Spies on Israel. True.
6. He said climate change our biggest threat. True. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/climate-change-us-obama/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/climate-change-us-obama/)
But mainly, not sure why you're getting so butthurt over an ad by a candidate who won't get the nomination.
You have an interesting definition of "butthurt" I don't think I indicated how I feel about Marco lying, I don't care by the way, I'm not a republican not my battle to fight.
1. He made the statement of fact without equivocation, that's a lie. If I said KSUW is a child molester you wouldn't reply with "how do you know I rape kids, I may I may not." He lied man, deal with it.
2. "Fighting harder for PP funding than troop funding" is not what he said, I quoted what he said. If he said what you said it wouldn't have been a lie, unfortunately he lied though.
3. Your attempt here was feeble, lets agree he lied and move on.
I have no idea why you have a 4-6 since I was pretty clear that he didn't lie about those things. You used a whole bunch of words when "yep he told three bald face lies" would have worked just fine.
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Again, the closest thing to a lie was the gun claim. The funding for troops/pp isn't a lie - it's an opinion based on his actions. And there is evidence that freed Gitmo detainees have returned to terrorism, so that's not a lie either. You just sound silly.
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Again, the closest thing to a lie was the gun claim. The funding for troops/pp isn't a lie - it's an opinion based on his actions. And there is evidence that freed Gitmo detainees have returned to terrorism, so that's not a lie either. You just sound silly.
Show me where he is funding Planned Parenthood in lieu of defense funding and show me hard proof of prisoners released from Gitmo plotting against the country and I'll gladly retract. A serious candidate for president shouldn't sound like a greatest hits of the facebook thread.
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18% of released Gitmo detainees are confirmed reengaging, another 11% suspected of reengaging. Almost a third.
http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Guantanamo%20Unclassified%20Release_March%202015_FINAL.pdf (http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Guantanamo%20Unclassified%20Release_March%202015_FINAL.pdf)
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The "three lies" allegation has been completely debunked in the Uber Libtarded thread. As it turns out, MIR is the liar.
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18% of released Gitmo detainees are confirmed reengaging, another 11% suspected of reengaging. Almost a third.
http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Guantanamo%20Unclassified%20Release_March%202015_FINAL.pdf (http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Guantanamo%20Unclassified%20Release_March%202015_FINAL.pdf)
Thank you for that. Two lies.
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Who will trump pick for vp?
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Who will trump pick for vp?
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Omarosa Manigault
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The streetball legends daughter?
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Who will trump pick for vp?
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Sean Penn
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Putin. Is that allowed? What am I talking about - Trump will do it anyway.
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If it's not Busey, then this is all for naught.
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Who will trump pick for vp?
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Palin
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I have a sneaking suspicion that Trump is going to pick a Democrat running mate. I'm serious.
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I need to Google it, but isn't the job of the Super Delegate to out weigh the general public when it comes the public selecting someone the party would rather not be their guy/woman? I mean, no way he wins the primary if the party system has a catch all last ditch defense against crazy, right?
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I need to Google it, but isn't the job of the Super Delegate to out weigh the general public when it comes the public selecting someone the party would rather not be their guy/woman? I mean, no way he wins the primary if the party system has a catch all last ditch defense against crazy, right?
I was thinking the same thing about the electoral college. If Trump won the presidential election and I were sent by the republican party to cast a vote for the electoral college, I don't think I'd vote for him. Isn't that the entire reason that system exists?
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I need to Google it, but isn't the job of the Super Delegate to out weigh the general public when it comes the public selecting someone the party would rather not be their guy/woman? I mean, no way he wins the primary if the party system has a catch all last ditch defense against crazy, right?
That's what the electoral college was for. Primary probably works the same way
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The biggest reason for me not to vote for Rubio is K-S-U's endorsement.
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I need to Google it, but isn't the job of the Super Delegate to out weigh the general public when it comes the public selecting someone the party would rather not be their guy/woman? I mean, no way he wins the primary if the party system has a catch all last ditch defense against crazy, right?
That's what the electoral college was for. Primary probably works the same way
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Yes, it's the same for the most part. The caucuses and primaries only serve to strongly suggest how the delegates should vote at the convention. It is much more likely that the convention would produce a candidate that differentiated from the popular vote because of the super delegates among other factors. Howard Dean had more super delegate pledges than John Kerry did but they fell in line because Kerry had more delegates. No one is talking about it but nothing the democratic convention could be more of a crap show than the republican convention. Hillrod's people are are fanatical and aren't above pulling some bullshit.
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The parties set their own rules at the convention. The entire primary process is subject to a ton of shenanigans if the delegates and party operators want them to be.
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If the democratic race is not relatively close then the convention will be fine. A Trump or Cruz delegate win sends the republican convention into a tailspin.
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Marco's response to an Atheists question about religion and politics:
https://www.facebook.com/teammarco16/videos/1764182723810526/?pnref=story
I think he answered this well. Not pushy, but loving, caring and clear. See what you think.
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Marco got the endorsement of the Des Moines Register. The person who got that endorsement has gone on to be the nominee for the last 20 years.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/endorsement/2016/01/23/des-moines-register-iowa-caucus-endorsement-marco-rubio/79240264/
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Has anyone in the history of the country ever gave a crap about political endorsements?
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Has anyone in the history of the country ever gave a crap about political endorsements?
Palin endorsing Trump was big news, apparently. :dunno:
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Has anyone in the history of the country ever gave a crap about political endorsements?
Certainly not in the information age, no.
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Has anyone in the history of the country ever gave a crap about political endorsements?
Voters who don't pay attention to the debates and chatter might take into consideration a candidate being endorsed by the biggest newspaper in the state.
They might also stop and take notice due to the long running success of that endorsement choosing the eventual nominee.
I did some research but most of the recent articles written on the subject revolve around political endorsements. Which in this election seem to mean less. For a current running total of those endorsements go here: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/
Something I did see which could be very true, is that endorsements like these help open pocket books. Campaigns are expensive especially when it comes to media and advertising. So, if this locks up some more donations that could be value enough to get a few more ads on tv or pay for a few more grassroots volunteers going door to door.
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Has anyone in the history of the country ever gave a crap about political endorsements?
Voters who don't pay attention to the debates and chatter might take into consideration a candidate being endorsed by the biggest newspaper in the state.
They might also stop and take notice due to the long running success of that endorsement choosing the eventual nominee.
I did some research but most of the recent articles written on the subject revolve around political endorsements. Which in this election seem to mean less. For a current running total of those endorsements go here: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/
Something I did see which could be very true, is that endorsements like these help open pocket books. Campaigns are expensive especially when it comes to media and advertising. So, if this locks up some more donations that could be value enough to get a few more ads on tv or pay for a few more grassroots volunteers going door to door.
Well that endorsement won't mean a damn thing here, maybe he'll finish third instead of fifth now?
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Well that endorsement won't mean a damn thing here, maybe he'll finish third instead of fifth now?
Which is also significant. If he can finish third or better in the first two states and the people below him start to drop out he can make a push in SC and on to Super Tuesday.
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Well that endorsement won't mean a damn thing here, maybe he'll finish third instead of fifth now?
Which is also significant. If he can finish third or better in the first two states and the people below him start to drop out he can make a push in SC and on to Super Tuesday.
What it means is he won't suffer the indignity of losing to Ben Carson.
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Well that endorsement won't mean a damn thing here, maybe he'll finish third instead of fifth now?
Which is also significant. If he can finish third or better in the first two states and the people below him start to drop out he can make a push in SC and on to Super Tuesday.
What it means is he won't suffer the indignity of losing to Ben Carson.
It is easy to simplify that the winners of either of the first two states automatically win, but that is not the case. Especially in this current political race. There is a lot of speculation that this years RNC convention could become a brokered convention. In that case, Trump would most assuredly not win the nomination. If that happens, and Rubio has a significant amount of support at that time, it is very possible he would take the nomination.
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Rubio had another monster debate night. He held his own and is widely seen as the winner.
Wanted to share this spot on ad redeeming an earlier moment seen as a blunder by Rubio.
https://youtu.be/E8nsYaS4Tv4
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I don't like Rubio much. I'd vote for him if he wins the nomination, since I think his policies are ok, but he's hard for me to get excited about. He just seems slimy to me. Everything he says is way too rehearsed.
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He's also in the gang of 8 which sounds like a criminal enterprise.
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I don't like Rubio much. I'd vote for him if he wins the nomination, since I think his policies are ok, but he's hard for me to get excited about. He just seems slimy to me. Everything he says is way too rehearsed.
He's very rehearsed, but in a nervous nelly way, not a slimy cruz way
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Rubio had another monster debate night. He held his own and is widely seen as the winner.
Wanted to share this spot on ad redeeming an earlier moment seen as a blunder by Rubio.
https://youtu.be/E8nsYaS4Tv4
That ad was actually really good.
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Watching 'Pub pundits and such openly rooting for Rubio, and telling everyone how great he did is quite funny to me.
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Watching 'Pub pundits and such openly rooting for Rubio, and telling everyone how great he did is quite funny to me.
go on? Do you have a different viewpoint?
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I just dont think he will win the nomination, he has shitty ground game in the first 2 states. And the Frank ,whatever the hell is name is, focus group from last night was really funny. It was basically Roger Ailes telling him what he wanted the focus group to say. Obviously I'm just as biased as you are when it comes to this. But i think the numbers (polls, betting markets) are on my side.
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I just dont think he will win the nomination, he has shitty ground game in the first 2 states. And the Frank ,whatever the hell is name is, focus group from last night was really funny. It was basically Roger Ailes telling him what he wanted the focus group to say. Obviously I'm just as biased as you are when it comes to this. But i think the numbers (polls, betting markets) are on my side.
Betting markets were high on Rubio for awhile. I think he is banking on outlasting the guys below him. If he can pick up their voters he swings to the lead. His ground game did seem off, but by not establishing physical offices he saved a ton of money for his campaign. We will see how it all plays out/pays off.
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yard dog is to politics what that weird guy who sits next to you at the bar at some townie BWW is to sports
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
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the fox newsy, AM radioy, duck dynasty'y, evangelical facebook sharing, vitriolic masses have really got my party in a pickle and I don't like it.
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Yes, I feel bad for known not crap human marco, do not feel bad for gop
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we are living in a reality where Marco Rubio could go on national television and say "deport all muslims" and his chances in the primary would improve. that's a legitimate thing that would actually happen.
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I just dont think he will win the nomination, he has shitty ground game in the first 2 states. And the Frank ,whatever the hell is name is, focus group from last night was really funny. It was basically Roger Ailes telling him what he wanted the focus group to say. Obviously I'm just as biased as you are when it comes to this. But i think the numbers (polls, betting markets) are on my side.
Betting markets were high on Rubio for awhile. I think he is banking on outlasting the guys below him. If he can pick up their voters he swings to the lead. His ground game did seem off, but by not establishing physical offices he saved a ton of money for his campaign. We will see how it all plays out/pays off.
The betting market has Trump at basically 50% (actually a little higher), and Marco at 33%. They aren't even close.
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Donald Trump may actually be better/more sane at foreign policy than Marco Rubio.
This is my problem with Rubio.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
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Like sd said, he'd have to pander to the crazy right to win the primary.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
You honestly believe the majority of voters support 0% on investment income? Therefore basically lowing the tax rate of Wall Street to 0%.
I agree with you, there seems to be a big gap between what the elites want to do with immigration, and your everyday blue collar Joe wants. I think the populists on both sides have proven to be isolationist, I do think the right has far more anger about it than the left.
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Donald Trump may actually be better/more sane at foreign policy than Marco Rubio.
This is my problem with Rubio.
He will absolutely gradually move to the middle starting at about 7 pm tonight, Hillary's move starts at 7PM est on Feb. 9.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
You honestly believe the majority of voters support 0% on investment income? Therefore basically lowing the tax rate of Wall Street to 0%.
I agree with you, there seems to be a big gap between what the elites want to do with immigration, and your everyday blue collar Joe wants. I think the populists on both sides have proven to be isolationist, I do think the right has far more anger about it than the left.
I said nothing about investment income. You really think anyone is drawn to Trump based on tax policy? By far the biggest reason for Trump's bipartisan appeal is a desire for hardline immigration enforcement. I think it's a fair assumption that many voters don't have a damned clue what Trump stands for, or what he's previously stood for, besides "build a wall" and "deport them."
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
You honestly believe the majority of voters support 0% on investment income? Therefore basically lowing the tax rate of Wall Street to 0%.
I agree with you, there seems to be a big gap between what the elites want to do with immigration, and your everyday blue collar Joe wants. I think the populists on both sides have proven to be isolationist, I do think the right has far more anger about it than the left.
I said nothing about investment income. You really think anyone is drawn to Trump based on tax policy? By far the biggest reason for Trump's bipartisan appeal is a desire for hardline immigration enforcement. I think it's a fair assumption that many voters don't have a damned clue what Trump stands for, or what he's previously stood for, besides "build a wall" and "deport them."
We are probably arguing 2 different things. I guess my point was the whole no taxes on investment income shows how far Rubio has to go to the right on that topic. Agree, I'm honestly not sure what Trump believes on any issue.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
You honestly believe the majority of voters support 0% on investment income? Therefore basically lowing the tax rate of Wall Street to 0%.
I agree with you, there seems to be a big gap between what the elites want to do with immigration, and your everyday blue collar Joe wants. I think the populists on both sides have proven to be isolationist, I do think the right has far more anger about it than the left.
I said nothing about investment income. You really think anyone is drawn to Trump based on tax policy? By far the biggest reason for Trump's bipartisan appeal is a desire for hardline immigration enforcement. I think it's a fair assumption that many voters don't have a damned clue what Trump stands for, or what he's previously stood for, besides "build a wall" and "deport them."
We are probably arguing 2 different things. I guess my point was the whole no taxes on investment income shows how far Rubio has to go to the right on that topic. Agree, I'm honestly not sure what Trump believes on any issue.
That is not a new position for Rubio. It dates back at least as far as his 2010 senate run. Rubio is a fiscal conservative, particularly on tax policy. His point is that if we're going to tax income, we shouldn't double tax that income on any gains when we save (interest) or invest and risk (dividend of cap gains) it.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
You honestly believe the majority of voters support 0% on investment income? Therefore basically lowing the tax rate of Wall Street to 0%.
I agree with you, there seems to be a big gap between what the elites want to do with immigration, and your everyday blue collar Joe wants. I think the populists on both sides have proven to be isolationist, I do think the right has far more anger about it than the left.
I said nothing about investment income. You really think anyone is drawn to Trump based on tax policy? By far the biggest reason for Trump's bipartisan appeal is a desire for hardline immigration enforcement. I think it's a fair assumption that many voters don't have a damned clue what Trump stands for, or what he's previously stood for, besides "build a wall" and "deport them."
We are probably arguing 2 different things. I guess my point was the whole no taxes on investment income shows how far Rubio has to go to the right on that topic. Agree, I'm honestly not sure what Trump believes on any issue.
That is not a new position for Rubio. It dates back at least as far as his 2010 senate run. Rubio is a fiscal conservative, particularly on tax policy. His point is that if we're going to tax income, we shouldn't double tax that income on any gains when we save (interest) or invest and risk (dividend of cap gains) it.
Ok a couple thoughts on that economic theory. The earning power of K will always be greater than L, strictly Bc you can only do so much L, while K can grow infidelity. Which is why I think K should be taxed as high L. Bc while you are taking a risk with your K, you can make a lot more with K than L since L is always limited.
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http://www.towleroad.com/2016/02/marco-rubio-gay/?utm_content=buffer471cd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
cruz on the offensive
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Based on iowa, this post was 100% dumbshit
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Immigration will hurt him. Trump and Cruz Will crush him on amnesty
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Immigration will hurt him. Trump and Cruz Will crush him on amnesty
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Hopefully the moderates start dropping like flies and Trump and Cruz split the crazy votes up.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Based on iowa, this post was 100% dumbshit
eff, way to be out in front of this critique you stupid eff. Nothing like calling an opinion dumb after the fact.
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But he didn't win the primary. He came in third. And that was considered a huge win. :dunno:
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Based on iowa, this post was 100% dumbshit
eff, way to be out in front of this critique you stupid eff. Nothing like calling an opinion dumb after the fact.
Watches the daily show
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:ROFL: @MIR
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We should probably rename this the President Rubio master thread
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Based on iowa, this post was 100% dumbshit
eff, way to be out in front of this critique you stupid eff. Nothing like calling an opinion dumb after the fact.
Watches the daily show
Who you? I don't. I watch last week tonight though, rough ridin' love that crap.
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I like to say his name like I'm announcing a boxing match. Maaaaaaarrccooo Ruuuubbbbiiiiooo
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I like to say his name like I'm announcing a boxing match. Maaaaaaarrccooo Ruuuubbbbiiiiooo
big plus in the rubio column
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That foam party looked fun AF
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That foam party looked fun AF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YCEmDZPnbU
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a close third is a lot better than I thought he was going to do. I like that.
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I'd like him a lot better if he was from Nevada or Colorado or something like that.
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As far as primaries go, Cruz kinda needs Trump in the race to make him seem at least a little bit moderate. I think a Rubio v Cruz head to head would be pretty one sided.
For the general election, Trump would give the WH to the Dems, Cruz would be in a battle, and Rubio would win easily. I'm still holding out hope that a strong NH gets Kasich in the mix but it looks like Rubio will be the establishment/moderate torchbearer.
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here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Based on iowa, this post was 100% dumbshit
eff, way to be out in front of this critique you stupid eff. Nothing like calling an opinion dumb after the fact.
I pointed out how stupid this post was before Iowa! :billdance:
here's rubios (and the GOPs) problem: he has no shot at winning a primary if he doesn't pander to the crazy right base. if he panders to the crazy right base he has no shot at winning a general election. what now?
Except for this not being even remotely true, I agree. There is bipartisan support for hardline immigration enforcement, which is the reason why Trump has surged. He is getting a lot of cross-over support from traditional working class Dems.
If Rubio took a firmer stance on immigration - i.e., renouncing any support for a pathway to citizenship for lawbreakers - he would improve his chances both in the primary and the general. He doesn't have to say "deport all Muslims." The Republican primary electorate is skeptical of Rubio because of his support for a pathway to citizenship for those who came here illegally (or are now breaking our laws by overstaying their visas).
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Yes the GOP will carry rubio
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Marco W Bush
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Marco W Bush
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(https://media2.giphy.com/media/absuCBezcr1Ty/giphy.gif)
But with Rubio
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What's Marcos first initiative as pres ?
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Foam party in the Lincoln bedroom
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Until Super Tuesday, it's probably repealing the ACA.
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Until Super Tuesday, it's probably repealing the ACA.
What's his replacement?
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You mean, what will it actually be if elected? No clue.
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I wonder if ACA is keeping him from seeing an otolaryngologist about his gross mouth stuff.
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As far as primaries go, Cruz kinda needs Trump in the race to make him seem at least a little bit moderate. I think a Rubio v Cruz head to head would be pretty one sided.
For the general election, Trump would give the WH to the Dems, Cruz would be in a battle, and Rubio would win easily. I'm still holding out hope that a strong NH gets Kasich in the mix but it looks like Rubio will be the establishment/moderate torchbearer.
I mean I guess this could all happen if you ignore all of the existing metrics and common sense. First of all no candidate is winning anything easily in the general. Even in Obama's two landslide electoral college wins he had to sweat the battleground states. Frankly the demographics of the country and the two parties make a republican blowout nearly impossible despite what the dumbass neocons will come in her and say.
Secondly I have no idea why you think Cruz is more electable than Trump, that is the opposite of true. Trump can draw conservative voters, independent voters, and even blue collar moderate democrats. Ted Cruz is absolutely the most limited candidate left when it comes to appeal beyond his base. He may be the most unliked candidate to win a state in a long while and that says a lot given Santorum won Iowa four years ago.
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I have no idea why you think Cruz is more electable than Trump, that is the opposite of true. Trump can draw conservative voters, independent voters, and even blue collar moderate democrats.
there was a good link here a week or so ago about how trump supporters correlate really strongly with a proclivity towards authoritarianism and much less so with any political philosophy.
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As far as primaries go, Cruz kinda needs Trump in the race to make him seem at least a little bit moderate. I think a Rubio v Cruz head to head would be pretty one sided.
For the general election, Trump would give the WH to the Dems, Cruz would be in a battle, and Rubio would win easily. I'm still holding out hope that a strong NH gets Kasich in the mix but it looks like Rubio will be the establishment/moderate torchbearer.
I mean I guess this could all happen if you ignore all of the existing metrics and common sense. First of all no candidate is winning anything easily in the general. Even in Obama's two landslide electoral college wins he had to sweat the battleground states. Frankly the demographics of the country and the two parties make a republican blowout nearly impossible despite what the dumbass neocons will come in her and say.
Secondly I have no idea why you think Cruz is more electable than Trump, that is the opposite of true. Trump can draw conservative voters, independent voters, and even blue collar moderate democrats. Ted Cruz is absolutely the most limited candidate left when it comes to appeal beyond his base. He may be the most unliked candidate to win a state in a long while and that says a lot given Santorum won Iowa four years ago.
My spectrum of clear loss to win easily is relative. I don't think Rubio is going to runaway with 450 electoral votes or anything, but I think he would have a pretty clear path in the contested states that generally make the difference. Between the inclination of the country to shift parties after two terms and the two Dem candidates, I think this election is pretty ripe for the GOP if they can provide any semblance of a moderate candidate.
Trump is less electable because of his insane antics. The same things that got him to #1 in a crowded field limit his ability to grow beyond that. The favorability numbers show him attracting any new voters as a potential problem. At this point, I think you can use regular polls to eliminate nonviable candidates (Bush, Carson, etc) and use the favorability numbers to see who has the best shot to gain once they drop.
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Ted Cruz is dead ass last in any favoribility rating, doesn't matter though as he is not a viable candidate..
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I'd like him a lot better if he was from Nevada or Colorado or something like that.
also, that rough ridin' bottled water thing haunts me
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The gop wants Rubio, unless he really had an affair with a lobbyist or whoever the party will get whom they want
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Ted Cruz is dead ass last in any favoribility rating, doesn't matter though as he is not a viable candidate..
They had Trump about 10 points of unfavorability on Teddy. I hope your right about Cruz not being viable. I agree with Cire that Rubio is in the pole position for the GOP. The "establishment" will rally around a non-Trump/non-Cruz candidate before long.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/695056822336622596
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lol wut
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It's like the state of the union speech from congress showing ppl how they need to quit being dicks to congress.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/695056822336622596
That's sd's moderate candidate.
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he's not actually moderate, he's just likeable, which makes him seem moderate.
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he's not actually moderate, he's just likeable, which makes him seem moderate.
He's not moderate right now but he has been and will be again. That's something he would say in the winter, he wouldn't dare say that in the fall.
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So Cruz is not viable because the moderates won't vote for him and Romney and McCain lost because the conservative base of the party stayed home rather than hold their nose and vote.
Hmmmm.....
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So much latent butthurt. :lol:
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Ted Cruz is dead ass last in any favoribility rating, doesn't matter though as he is not a viable candidate..
So Cruz is not viable because the moderates won't vote for him and Romney and McCain lost because the conservative base of the party stayed home rather than hold their nose and vote.
Hmmmm.....
Well Romney and McCain were largely uninspiring but they lost because your party is shrinking and has a demographic problem.
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McCain lost because of Palin, plain and simple.
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McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.
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Please don't mess up the quote function to make it seem like those are my thoughts Ptolemy.
The people that think McCain and Romney weren't conservative enough to vote for aren't a significant portion of the population in Ohio/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Virginia. They are largely in states the Republicans won anyways. Going farther right will just alienate more people in the battleground states that require you to win moderates and independents.
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McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.
This. And because McCain was a terrible candidate. And because Americans are sadly getting dumber. Palin actually helped McCain (see my points re McCain=terrible and Americans=dumber).
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Please don't mess up the quote function to make it seem like those are my thoughts Ptolemy.
The people that think McCain and Romney weren't conservative enough to vote for aren't a significant portion of the population in Ohio/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Virginia. They are largely in states the Republicans won anyways. Going farther right will just alienate more people in the battleground states that require you to win moderates and independents.
First, Romney won independents but lost because the base stayed home. If he had had even McCain's turnout from 2008, he likely would have won. And while you are right that gaining a bigger edge in the popular vote might not have swayed the electoral college math, there is still a pretty close correlation between electoral college and popular vote. So boosting the base probably would have helped flip some of those less red states. Chasing independents can be fool's gold, as Romney learned.
Second, "going farther right" is too vague to mean anything. "Going farther right" on issues like immigration will likely actually help a Republican flip rust belt states with a lot of working class whites that have traditionally gone blue, such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
So no, I wouldn't count Ted Cruz out. At all. I still think Rubio is the strongest candidate due to his high favorability ratings and (mostly) conservative record, but if it's Ted Cruz v Hillary Clinton, I like Cruz's chances.
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I never counted Cruz out. I said earlier that I think Cruz has a shot against whatever dem but that I think Rubio would win.
I don't think Romney struggled because he chased independents. I think he struggled because to combat Obama the Republicans nominated the richest whitest guy there was. He seemed so terribly out of touch. Cruz will have likability problems but wouldn't be going against near as strong as a candidate.
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McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.
This. And because McCain was a terrible candidate. And because Americans are sadly getting dumber. Palin actually helped McCain (see my points re McCain=terrible and Americans=dumber).
Palin may have helped grandpa in the primary due to crazy far right'ers, but she def hurt him in the general.
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The idea of a base staying home during a general is so rough ridin' stupid. I mean, you hate Romney because he isn't Santorum'ey enough, so you don't vote and let the liberal take office. :lol: This is so tea party'ey.
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The idea of a base staying home during a general is so rough ridin' stupid. I mean, you hate Romney because he isn't Santorum'ey enough, so you don't vote and let the liberal take office. :lol: This is so tea party'ey.
Can say the exact same thing for those claiming Cruz in unelectable because he doesn't moderate his positions on the issues so the middle can vote for him. There is certain value in being able to defend your positions with conviction. Romney was so muddled on Obamacare, with Romneycare dragging his ass down, he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. Cruz faced this very "roadblock" in the Texas senate race - an opponent with millions to spend against him and the RINO army in Texas allied against him. He won the election in a landslide.
If you don't want to believe me, listen to the Clintons' favorite attack dog, James Carville, who called Cruz the most impressive political candidate he's seen in 30 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQA4ww_AnQw
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Romney lost because he was Mormon.
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McCain and Romney lost because Obama is a fantastic candidate.
This. And because McCain was a terrible candidate. And because Americans are sadly getting dumber. Palin actually helped McCain (see my points re McCain=terrible and Americans=dumber).
Palin may have helped grandpa in the primary due to crazy far right'ers, but she def hurt him in the general.
First, Palin was selected as running mate after McCain won the primary. You don't pick a running mate before. Second, there just isn't any good evidence that Palin hurt McCain. He surged in the polls after picking her. His decline began in late September when the economy imploded and McCain briefly "suspended" his campaign. The media certainly sniped at Palin during the campaign, but the real harm to her reputation (some of it self-inflicted) did not occur until after the election.
Barack Obama is a skilled politician, but he is also an exceptionally lucky one when it comes to timing of disasters that aided his campaigns. This includes his Senate run and both presidential runs.
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Palin is the anti moderate. She is like fly paper for pubs and like DDT to middle of the road'ers.
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Do people forget that Mittens sunk his own ship with his 47% crack at the fundraiser? Yeah Obamacare hurt a bit, but the 'Pubs have branded that as a problem while most like its components. The issue was always tax policy with a lot of social values under that.
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Uh oh :facepalm:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0d/5c/21/0d5c210ae2dc32fbcc0509b9137573a4.gif)
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it was hard to watch, christie took him out back.
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Marco was terrible
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Welp
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Not looking hopeful for your candidate, SD.
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Dems---------Organized and fall in line, differences settled in private.
Pubs---------Chaos.
They rampin' up for another ass kickin'.
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https://youtu.be/dIx8iuXzmRM
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Rubio'll be fine. Or not. Still doubt Kasich/Christie/Bush moved the needle enough to make a splash in NH. Trump (and by extension, Cruz) probably gained most last night.
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You didn't think bush hammering trump on stealing old ladies houses for limo parking lots at his casino will win him New Hampshire?
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You didn't think bush hammering trump on stealing old ladies houses for limo parking lots at his casino will win him New Hampshire?
No
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http://www.vox.com/2016/2/7/10930522/david-frum-marco-rubio
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It time to expose mean fat piggie. Marco did not lose. Fat pig Christie tried to make it look like having governor experience will make you a great president. Bill the Thrill was a governor, no big whoop in my books. Regan was great president not because he was a great governor who had a vision like Rubio. You can hire good help. Christie's help shut a bridge down to a town, crapdog help.
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Christie hasn't been a viable candidate so people really haven't gone after him. If he does well tomorrow and is seen as a threat, there is more than enough material to bury him.
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christie will definitely be murdered now that his viability has crossed the arbitrary line
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Christie hasn't been a viable candidate so people really haven't gone after him. If he does well tomorrow and is seen as a threat, there is more than enough material to bury him.
:surprised:
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Why the media gang raping of Rubio? Hillary is scare shittleless of a Rubio candidacy. So her liberal media protectors are trying to make sure this doesn't happen. Fatloudhog and Mommaboy ain't going to get elected, but are so narcissistic that they think they are and will try to destroy the candidates who can.
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Being governor doesn't make you a better president, but being a successful governor is a much better indicator than being a successful senator.
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I watched the debate and while this moment was poor, the rest of his debate on stage was solid. I do wish he would have struck back at Christie, but assume he was instructed not to get into it with him.
We will see tomorrow if it hurts him, I have a feeling it wont.
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I'm think Trump will win but underperform the polls, Rubio will take second but overperform the polls, and Cruz will take third and be perfectly happy with it. Three way race out of NH.
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Rubio's entertainment value is pretty high since he's like the Rs only chance to avoid having a joke of a nominee. There's a lot riding on that little dude!
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I'm hoping Cruz will finish 4th or 5th and then fade away.
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Bush and his 100 million war chest probably aren't going to go away anytime soon
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Kasich and Bush are both polling pretty close to Cruz in New Hampshire. It will be interesting to see if they can pull votes from Rubio after the last debate.
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Rubio wasn't ready.
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Rubio wasn't ready.
Ok bub. :lol:
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Bush and his 100 million war chest probably aren't going to go away anytime soon
If Bush has another showing like he did in Iowa after putting all of his focus on New Hampshire I think that war chest full of commitments will dry up really fast.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNMichele/status/697125041549537282
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https://twitter.com/ESPNMichele/status/697125041549537282
They are reporting that these men dressed as robots are from a left-wing super pac.
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Robot Rubio is everywhere now. It doesn't matter.
also, Trump says everyone who boos him are also libs.
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Trump says everyone who boos him are also libs.
bush donors, technically.
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Remember when I said marco is a robot at the first two debates and all the regresocons were like "I don't see it" :gocho:
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Robot Rubio is everywhere now. It doesn't matter.
also, Trump says everyone who boos him are also libs.
Please define "everywhere"?
This is water off of Marco's back, a last ditch effort to make a strike at the favorite to win.
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Robot Rubio is everywhere now. It doesn't matter.
also, Trump says everyone who boos him are also libs.
Please define "everywhere"?
This is water off of Marco's back, a last ditch effort to make a strike at the favorite to win.
Go to google news and search Rubio. I have seen multiple articles on multiple sites today with Robot in the headline with regards to Rubio.
Sorry, your guy is getting beat up a little. Also, "favorite" usually indicates someone doing better than third place.
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Robot Rubio is everywhere now. It doesn't matter.
also, Trump says everyone who boos him are also libs.
Please define "everywhere"?
This is water off of Marco's back, a last ditch effort to make a strike at the favorite to win.
Go to google news and search Rubio. I have seen multiple articles on multiple sites today with Robot in the headline with regards to Rubio.
Sorry, your guy is getting beat up a little. Also, "favorite" usually indicates someone doing better than third place.
I say favorite as he is considered to have the best chance to win the presidency for the GOP.
The super pac that is going after him and pushing the robot narrative is American Bridge, a leftist super pac. They are being completely savage. Their entire homepage is smear attacks against Rubio. https://americanbridgepac.org/
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It's really something, isn't it? On the one hand, the Dems' most electable candidate is a congenital liar who likely committed felonies mishandling classified information by possessing a private server to avoid FOIA requests. On the other hand, the GOP's most electable candidate had a good but not great debate performance and repeated a talking point a few too many times.
But if this is the best the libs have, by all means blast away!
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Robot Rubio is everywhere now. It doesn't matter.
also, Trump says everyone who boos him are also libs.
Please define "everywhere"?
This is water off of Marco's back, a last ditch effort to make a strike at the favorite to win.
Go to google news and search Rubio. I have seen multiple articles on multiple sites today with Robot in the headline with regards to Rubio.
Sorry, your guy is getting beat up a little. Also, "favorite" usually indicates someone doing better than third place.
I say favorite as he is considered to have the best chance to win the presidency for the GOP.
The super pac that is going after him and pushing the robot narrative is American Bridge, a leftist super pac. They are being completely savage. Their entire homepage is smear attacks against Rubio. https://americanbridgepac.org/
It is really something how much the libs fear Rubio. But justified.
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Hillary's campaign may self-combust in exactly the same way it did 8 years ago, except instead of Obama we have Bernie. This campaign is just a hilarious festival of fools all around.
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Bush and his 100 million war chest probably aren't going to go away anytime soon
If Bush has another showing like he did in Iowa after putting all of his focus on New Hampshire I think that war chest full of commitments will dry up really fast.
I hope the primary eliminates 2 out of Bush/Christie/Kasich just to get it over with
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Hillary's campaign may self-combust in exactly the same way it did 8 years ago, except instead of Obama we have Bernie. This campaign is just a hilarious festival of fools all around.
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What happened to my kat kid campaign newsletter?
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Bush and his 100 million war chest probably aren't going to go away anytime soon
If Bush has another showing like he did in Iowa after putting all of his focus on New Hampshire I think that war chest full of commitments will dry up really fast.
The 100 million he raised and turned into a super pac and let his buddy manage is going to "dry up"?
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The 100 million he raised and turned into a super pac and let his buddy manage is going to "dry up"?
is it money in the bank, or does the 100 million include pledges?
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https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00571372 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00571372)
I admittedly don't know how to determine that. I guess it could be not all realized yet.
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it sounds like cash. but he's already spent 80 million, just 35ish left.
http://fortune.com/2016/02/01/jeb-bush-super-pac-donations-dry-up/
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Is 35 million enough to make it to the end of the primary cycle? Seems like it should be.
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I wonder what the return on that 100 million investment is? I would guess it's usually pretty good. Probably still pretty good even if Jeb loses because he'll still have influence.
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You mean to the donors? I would assume it is very good. Win or not.
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i wouldn't assume that it's good at all. but it probably depends on how you measure the return.
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RIP rubio campaign
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If looking for favors, I would think your best bet would be donating to anyone with the last name bush or Clinton
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kasich. :drool:
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RIP rubio campaign
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We barely knew ye
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Well, all in on Bloomberg
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kasich just keeps dropping. :frown:
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If trump wins republican primary I'll be voting for Bernie.
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man, sure sounds like Rubio is done. Who told us that?
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man, sure sounds like Rubio is done. Who told us that?
I think you did. Only it doesn't look at all like Rubio is done. He performed poorly in New Hampshire. He'll stay in through Super Tuesday, at least, and I expect he'll perform better.
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Establishment options Kasich, Bush, Rubio, Christie likely staying in race = no one RINO candidate to coalesce behind = good news for America, whomever ends up getting the nomination.
No GOP candidate has ever won the nomination after losing both Iowa and New Hampshire.
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christie isn't likely staying in. didn't qualify for the next debate and running out of money. he gone.
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Star Wars, Episode 2a: The RINO Wars Begin!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/john-kasich-new-hampshire-republican-establishment-219036
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man, sure sounds like Rubio is done. Who told us that?
I think you did. Only it doesn't look at all like Rubio is done. He performed poorly in New Hampshire. He'll stay in through Super Tuesday, at least, and I expect he'll perform better.
You and Bill Kristol.
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Christie is done. Rubio is likely done.
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Rubio isn't done but he's going to need something drastic to happen.
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Now that he's an underdog, I'm pulling for little robot Rubio.
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http://linkis.com/www.breitbart.com/bi/cKGHv
I wish I lived in a state that got these ads
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It blows my mind people think Rubio now has no chance to win and should fold it up. He is currently standing in third as far as delegates are concerned which is what actually matters. He has a strong presence in South Carolina and Nevada so the next debate could be huge for him.
Current delegate totals:
Trump: 17
Cruz: 10
Rubio: 7
Kasich: 4
Carson: 3
Bush: 3
Fiorina: 1
Christie: 0
There are a lot of states to go with a lot greater delegate totals. If Bush completely underperforms in the next two states Rubio could carry Florida which has 99 delegates. This race aint over folks!
For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
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I'm at the point where I've realized that trump is going to win the necessary delegates to win the nomination but hope the republican establishment pulls some bullshit at the convention and gives someone else the nomination
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If the field stays remotely crowded, I don't know that Trump will get the delegates. I would also think that Trump has a lower likelihood to pick up orphaned delegates than someone else.
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Whole lotta kneejerk crappy political analysis goin on up in here.
First, the "nobody has ever won the nomination without winning Iowa or NH" conventional wisdom means almost nothing in the dynamics of this particular race. This is because the "pragmatic conservative vote" (or "establishment vote") is still badly fractured. Trump and Cruz have already won their "lanes" (outsider and fiery conservative, respectively), but the pragmatic lane is still jammed up. It will not remain so for long.
We're now down to a 4.5 man race. Christie will likely officially suspend his campaign soon, and Carson may or may not, but he's effectively done. Trump, Cruz, and Rubio already punched their tickets in Iowa, and NH has not changed that for Rubio. Last night wasn't a good showing for Rubio, but it wasn't terrible, either.
Kasich punched his ticket in NH. Bush finished in 4th narrowly behind Cruz - in New Hampshire. That's bad, but he'll limp along for a while longer. That's your 4.5.
I still think this was the high water mark for Kasich and Bush, and they'll fold by Super Tuesday, giving extra bounce to Rubio, and then we'll be down to a 3 man race.
Ultimately, this hurts Trump the most, as I just can't see him crossing that 33-35% threshold.
It is really telling how much the media (and certain posters here) are salivating over the prospect of Rubio losing - they are worried about him.
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Kasich and Bush are better than Rubio, so I would be glad if he ultimately lost to either of them.
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Can Rubio afford to have another "good" debate?
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Can Rubio afford to have another "good" debate?
You realize that on Rubio's worst night, he is still a better in a debate than anyone on that stage except Cruz? It was the media's narrative that damaged Rubio - not his actual debate.
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Bush/Kasich/Rubio look like the guys with the opportunity to be the "establishment" guy. Once the other candidates start dropping, they should benefit the most.
Kasich has a decent result now but not the money. Still in it but a long shot. Bush dropping would give him a shot at donors. A shot at momentum and media attention if he can string together some good results.
Bush has the money but pud results. Has to outlast Kasich (entirely possible) and hope that Rubio implodes. Tough to build momentum when he is a member of the Bush dynasty.
Rubio has a result and money. Youth and energy could help him build momentum. Not building on Iowa hurt but I would still put him as a strong front runner in this group.
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I wouldn't say Rubio is "front runner" but otherwise agree. I think he still emerges in the Final 3.
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Rubio is basically on robot life support at this point.
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Can Rubio afford to have another "good" debate?
You realize that on Rubio's worst night, he is still a better in a debate than anyone on that stage except Cruz? It was the media's narrative that damaged Rubio - not his actual debate.
:lol:
Media :curse:
:lol:
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I wouldn't say Rubio is "front runner" but otherwise agree. I think he still emerges in the Final 3.
Front runner to be the establishment guy is what I meant.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
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For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Something has to be broken when a candidate receives more actual votes but ends up with only 10% of the delegates.
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For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Something has to be broken when a candidate receives more actual votes but ends up with only 10% of the delegates.
Dems have super delegates that do whatever the eff they want. Delegates from elections are fairly even. Republicans have their own version of this. Helps to make sure the establishment gets what they want.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolinah or Nevada.
Ive read he has good infrastructure in Nevada, and that will be his last stand. But EMAW had a better chance in Allen Fieldhouse than Rubio does of winning South Carolina.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
No to SC. I'd say probably not in Nevada, but second. I'll go with Florida unless Bush stays in the race and continues to drag him down.
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For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Something has to be broken when a candidate receives more actual votes but ends up with only 10% of the delegates.
Dems have super delegates that do whatever the eff they want. Delegates from elections are fairly even. Republicans have their own version of this. Helps to make sure the establishment gets what they want.
If this trigger is pulled to award a nomination, and it isn't close, and it still ends up Hill and Rubio are put forward, the next election could see a lot of blood on both sides of the aisle.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
No to SC. I'd say probably not in Nevada, but second. I'll go with Florida unless Bush stays in the race and continues to drag him down.
Why shouldnt Bush stay in the race? He finished higher than Rubio last night.
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i agree that the idea of rubio folding right now is lunacy (why is that idea even out there?). bookmakers still have him as the second most likely pub.
on the other hand, things are going to have to start changing soon. pubs better hope that events (and donors) can cull at least one of kasich, bush or rubio by the end of south carolina and nevada. we're down to five, the sooner they can get to three, the better. it's gotta be a little scary for the establishment candidates that cruz got something like 11% in nh even with trump carrying the state easily and cruz scarcely making an effort.
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i agree that the idea of rubio folding right now is lunacy (why is that idea even out there?). bookmakers still have him as the second most likely pub.
on the other hand, things are going to have to start changing soon. pubs better hope that events (and donors) can cull at least one of kasich, bush or rubio by the end of south carolina and nevada. we're down to five, the sooner they can get to three, the better. it's gotta be a little scary for the establishment candidates that cruz got something like 11% in nh even with trump carrying the state easily and cruz scarcely making an effort.
I'm probably overestimating his demise, because thats what i want. But im not nearly as scared of him as a candidate as a was a week ago.
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Rubio being the best looking candidate in this election is not much of a prize. He would have been 3rd or lower the last two elections.
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it's gotta be a little scary for the establishment candidates that cruz got something like 11% in nh even with trump carrying the state easily and cruz scarcely making an effort.
expanding on this a little. in one of the most moderate states they have, non-stablishment candidates easily got almost 50% of the vote. they can talk all they want about how the surplus of establishment candidates are fracturing the vote, but there's really no reason to think that trump and cruz aren't going to continue to beat the crap out of whichever establishment candidate survives.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
No to SC. I'd say probably not in Nevada, but second. I'll go with Florida unless Bush stays in the race and continues to drag him down.
Why shouldnt Bush stay in the race? He finished higher than Rubio last night.
Bush finished 4th last night. Behind Ted Cruz. In New Hampshire. New Hampshire was supposed to be favorable ground for him. I cannot envision a single state where he surges back to relevancy.
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Yeah, it's basically a question of which kind of crazy you want as a rebublican voter. Zealot crazy or egomaniac crazy.
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it's gotta be a little scary for the establishment candidates that cruz got something like 11% in nh even with trump carrying the state easily and cruz scarcely making an effort.
expanding on this a little. in one of the most moderate states they have, non-stablishment candidates easily got almost 50% of the vote. they can talk all they want about how the surplus of establishment candidates are fracturing the vote, but there's really no reason to think that trump and cruz aren't going to continue to beat the crap out of whichever establishment candidate survives.
Given that Trump and Cruz only combine for about 50% of the primary vote, there's plenty of reason to think one "establishment" candidate would win. We're getting closer to that. Christie and Carson are as good as gone. It's Bush continuing to hang around that could really mess this up.
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it's gotta be a little scary for the establishment candidates that cruz got something like 11% in nh even with trump carrying the state easily and cruz scarcely making an effort.
expanding on this a little. in one of the most moderate states they have, non-stablishment candidates easily got almost 50% of the vote. they can talk all they want about how the surplus of establishment candidates are fracturing the vote, but there's really no reason to think that trump and cruz aren't going to continue to beat the crap out of whichever establishment candidate survives.
Given that Trump and Cruz only combine for about 50% of the primary vote, there's plenty of reason to think one "establishment" candidate would win. We're getting closer to that. Christie and Carson are as good as gone. It's Bush continuing to hang around that could really mess this up.
As Sys said, that was in about a moderate state as they come, you the "establishment" candidates is going to get anywhere near that in the SEC primaries?
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We'll see. First, the Super Tuesday states are not all southern. It's actually pretty diverse. Second, "establishment" Mitt Romney cleaned house on Super Tuesday 2012, beating the "more conservative" candidates Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.
If the establishment similarly coalesces around a candidate (or even two) by Super Tuesday, there's no reason they can't do reasonably well and significantly blunt Trump's progress.
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We'll see. First, the Super Tuesday states are not all southern. It's actually pretty diverse. Second, "establishment" Mitt Romney cleaned house on Super Tuesday 2012, beating the "more conservative" candidates Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.
If the establishment similarly coalesces around a candidate (or even two) by Super Tuesday, there's no reason they can't do reasonably well and significantly blunt Trump's progress.
I think perceived viability is what killed Santorum and Gingrich. Santorum was too far to the crazy and Gingrich had a past full of sketchy personal choices. Mitt was all that was left.
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
The problem is that the Venn diagram of those two types of crazy don't fully overlap.
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
The problem is that the Venn diagram of those two types of crazy don't fully overlap.
The thing is Trump is getting the RINO vote more than anyone else. He is the "moderate" candidate. Both the exit polls in Iowa and New Hampshire said that.
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
The problem is that the Venn diagram of those two types of crazy don't fully overlap.
True. I would imagine that Cruz will pick up the Carson voters, too.
The thing is Trump is getting the RINO vote more than anyone else. He is the "moderate" candidate. Both the exit polls in Iowa and New Hampshire said that.
I think you need to ask ptolemy just what a RINO is.
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
The problem is that the Venn diagram of those two types of crazy don't fully overlap.
True. I would imagine that Cruz will pick up the Carson voters, too.
The thing is Trump is getting the RINO vote more than anyone else. He is the "moderate" candidate. Both the exit polls in Iowa and New Hampshire said that.
I think you need to ask ptolemy just what a RINO is.
I believe its anybody who thinks Asbestos is bad for you.
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
The problem is that the Venn diagram of those two types of crazy don't fully overlap.
True. I would imagine that Cruz will pick up the Carson voters, too.
The thing is Trump is getting the RINO vote more than anyone else. He is the "moderate" candidate. Both the exit polls in Iowa and New Hampshire said that.
I think you need to ask ptolemy just what a RINO is.
I believe its anybody who thinks Asbestos is bad for you.
http://www.sokolovelaw.com/blog/donald-trump-asbestos/
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If Trump and Cruz can split the crazy vote, it's possible for a RINO to sneak through. We just need a couple of them to drop out.
The problem is that the Venn diagram of those two types of crazy don't fully overlap.
True. I would imagine that Cruz will pick up the Carson voters, too.
The thing is Trump is getting the RINO vote more than anyone else. He is the "moderate" candidate. Both the exit polls in Iowa and New Hampshire said that.
I think you need to ask ptolemy just what a RINO is.
I believe its anybody who thinks Asbestos is bad for you.
http://www.sokolovelaw.com/blog/donald-trump-asbestos/
WELP. :tipscaps:
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http://www.sokolovelaw.com/blog/donald-trump-asbestos/
So a law firm website, a law firm whose very existence was dependent on the extortionary tactics employed in the asbestos farce, is the go-to authority on the subject?
No thanks...
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1999/eirv26n01-19990101/eirv26n01-19990101_016-asbestos_the_real_danger_is_irra.pdf
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:lol:
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:lol:
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omg
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Is Larouche running?
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Rubio's tax plan would cost 6.8 trillion in revenue over a decade. But the economic growth that will happen because of it when we are all dead will be mind boggling.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000606-an-analysis-of-marco-rubios-tax-plan.pdf
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Rubio's tax plan would cost 6.8 trillion in revenue over a decade. But the economic growth that will happen because of it when we are all dead will be mind boggling.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000606-an-analysis-of-marco-rubios-tax-plan.pdf
there was a good piece, i think on 538, about how concerns about deficits and debts no longer resonate with voters. all of the candidates, pub and crat, have tax and spending plans that will add substantially to the debt. it's no longer considered a problem.
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It's not a problem, they are correct
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Also, people rightly acknowledge that these plans have to pass through Congress, which is largely in gridlock, so people ignore the plans and focus on the vision and beliefs of the candidates.
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Rubio's tax plan would cost 6.8 trillion in revenue over a decade. But the economic growth that will happen because of it when we are all dead will be mind boggling.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000606-an-analysis-of-marco-rubios-tax-plan.pdf
there was a good piece, i think on 538, about how concerns about deficits and debts no longer resonate with voters. all of the candidates, pub and crat, have tax and spending plans that will add substantially to the debt. it's no longer considered a problem.
Which is always funny to me, because pubs always talk about how much they care about the deficit/debt, then release tax plans that will explode both.
Also I don't think it's that big of a problem yet, but at some point I would like to see the deficit curtailed.
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Also, people rightly acknowledge that these plans have to pass through Congress, which is largely in gridlock, so people ignore the plans and focus on the vision and beliefs of the candidates.
I don't think a tax cut would have a lot of trouble getting passed if the republicans can keep control of congress.
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Is this an analysis of only a tax plan, or a budget? See, a tax plan is only half the equation. It's actually significantly less than half the equation when it comes to debt reduction, as historically the amount of tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has stayed remarkable consistent regardless of tax rates. What is more important is (a) health of the economy (mo' money mo' tax revenue, and tax reductions would help the economy - by how much is debatable) and (b) reduced spending.
So to simply say "this tax plan adds ____ to the deficit" is pretty meaningless.
Granted, it is far easier for Republicans to propose "tax plans" for how much they are going to reduce taxes, than it is to propose detailed spending cuts.
Ideally, we should be slightly reducing and significantly simplifying our tax code, while cutting spending by about 5% per year for the next several years. That's just common sense and it really shouldn't be hard to achieve except for, you know, politicians in general and particularly Democrats.
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Is this an analysis of only a tax plan, or a budget? See, a tax plan is only half the equation. It's actually significantly less than half the equation when it comes to debt reduction, as historically the amount of tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has stayed remarkable consistent regardless of tax rates. What is more important is (a) health of the economy (mo' money mo' tax revenue, and tax reductions would help the economy - by how much is debatable) and (b) reduced spending.
So to simply say "this tax plan adds ____ to the deficit" is pretty meaningless.
Granted, it is far easier for Republicans to propose "tax plans" for how much they are going to reduce taxes, than it is to propose detailed spending cuts.
Ideally, we should be slightly reducing and significantly simplifying our tax code, while cutting spending by about 5% per year for the next several years. That's just common sense and it really shouldn't be hard to achieve except for, you know, politicians in general and particularly Democrats.
:lol:
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Is this an analysis of only a tax plan, or a budget? See, a tax plan is only half the equation. It's actually significantly less than half the equation when it comes to debt reduction, as historically the amount of tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has stayed remarkable consistent regardless of tax rates. What is more important is (a) health of the economy (mo' money mo' tax revenue, and tax reductions would help the economy - by how much is debatable) and (b) reduced spending.
So to simply say "this tax plan adds ____ to the deficit" is pretty meaningless.
Granted, it is far easier for Republicans to propose "tax plans" for how much they are going to reduce taxes, than it is to propose detailed spending cuts.
Ideally, we should be slightly reducing and significantly simplifying our tax code, while cutting spending by about 5% per year for the next several years. That's just common sense and it really shouldn't be hard to achieve except for, you know, politicians in general and particularly Democrats.
Cruz, Rubio, Trump all want to massively increase military spending. MASSIVELY. There is no possible way they would hold spending that much if they were forced to clarify their actual budget.
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If I want to keep military at current levels is kasich my guy?
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Yea, you cannot get close to a balanced budget without either raising taxes or cutting military spending. Just the amount of money we spend on keeping nuclear missiles ready to launch at a moment's notice is ridiculous.
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Is this an analysis of only a tax plan, or a budget? See, a tax plan is only half the equation. It's actually significantly less than half the equation when it comes to debt reduction, as historically the amount of tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has stayed remarkable consistent regardless of tax rates. What is more important is (a) health of the economy (mo' money mo' tax revenue, and tax reductions would help the economy - by how much is debatable) and (b) reduced spending.
So to simply say "this tax plan adds ____ to the deficit" is pretty meaningless.
Granted, it is far easier for Republicans to propose "tax plans" for how much they are going to reduce taxes, than it is to propose detailed spending cuts.
Ideally, we should be slightly reducing and significantly simplifying our tax code, while cutting spending by about 5% per year for the next several years. That's just common sense and it really shouldn't be hard to achieve except for, you know, politicians in general and particularly Democrats.
Cruz, Rubio, Trump all want to massively increase military spending. MASSIVELY. There is no possible way they would hold spending that much if they were forced to clarify their actual budget.
I agree, we should be focused on making our military more efficient. Still, I bet I could come up with a way to both increase military spending and decrease spending overall...
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https://twitter.com/SCforMarco/status/697804476447469568
Rubio 20 - 16 BABY!
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Marco kills it on Hannity:
https://www.facebook.com/teammarco16/videos/1772316059663859/?pnref=story
He takes responsibility for why he did poorly and they go on to discuss how silly the attack on him was in the first place. Crazy that Jeb spent 40 million in NH - 10 million alone on Rubio attack ads. Rubio only spent around 10 million and left the state with the same amount of delegates.
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Marco kills it on Hannity:
https://www.facebook.com/teammarco16/videos/1772316059663859/?pnref=story
He takes responsibility for why he did poorly and they go on to discuss how silly the attack on him was in the first place. Crazy that Jeb spent 40 million in NH - 10 million alone on Rubio attack ads. Rubio only spent around 10 million and left the state with the same amount of delegates.
If Rubio's benchmark for campaign success is Jeb then he's doing it wrong
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Marco kills it on Hannity:
https://www.facebook.com/teammarco16/videos/1772316059663859/?pnref=story
He takes responsibility for why he did poorly and they go on to discuss how silly the attack on him was in the first place. Crazy that Jeb spent 40 million in NH - 10 million alone on Rubio attack ads. Rubio only spent around 10 million and left the state with the same amount of delegates.
If Rubio's benchmark for campaign success is Jeb then he's doing it wrong
It's not, he just mentions that both Jeb and Kasich went all in on NH and that they would have trouble moving forward.
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Yeah, it's basically a question of which kind of crazy you want as a rebublican voter. Zealot crazy or egomaniac crazy.
The guy from Texas is absolutely both
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http://www.sokolovelaw.com/blog/donald-trump-asbestos/
So a law firm website, a law firm whose very existence was dependent on the extortionary tactics employed in the asbestos farce, is the go-to authority on the subject?
No thanks...
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1999/eirv26n01-19990101/eirv26n01-19990101_016-asbestos_the_real_danger_is_irra.pdf
Wow, batshit crazy
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https://twitter.com/SCforMarco/status/697804476447469568
Rubio 20 - 16 BABY!
why do white veterans love taking long selfie videos so much?
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Maro appeared Presidential tonight. All the others were whizzing on each other.
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Mario appeared #HAF
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A CBS poll has Marco.the.Great winning. The others.that.fought came off mean kids in a.sandbox fighting over a.worm. kasich look like he was whizzing himself and proudly telling eveyone. Carson came like the smart kid who follows a bug around the playground.
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he's just so damn likable. i don't even like him, but look at that spanish thing with cruz. just one of those and now i sort of like him already.
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Marco is the least psychopathic of the presidential front runners. Kascish is right there too, but I don't like him as a person. The Dems and the Donald are mouth breathing troglodytes - they're perfect for the modern american constituency.
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https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/699228836697923584
Oh Marco, grade A pandering here.
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Brownback now supporting Rubio
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remember this gif? wow
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I just feel bad that the DNC is making sure we won't see the Feel the Bern Comedy Tour in a few months. Outside of indictment.
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So weird :lol:
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Sad :frown
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Brownback now supporting Rubio
Welp
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Who does Lena Dunham support?
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:lol:
Kinda looks like Hilldog
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Brownback now supporting Rubio
:ROFL:
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Brownback ruins something else
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I mean lol at how hated Cruz must be by his peers if he can't get the Brownback endorsement. everyone says nobody likes him and trump obviously ran with that talking point but I didn't believe it was this bad. browny and cruz are made for each other, but nope.
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I mean lol at how hated Cruz must be by his peers if he can't get the Brownback endorsement. everyone says nobody likes him and trump obviously ran with that talking point but I didn't believe it was this bad. browny and cruz are made for each other, but nope.
Bob Dole all but said he'd rather have Hillary than Cruz.
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I mean lol at how hated Cruz must be by his peers if he can't get the Brownback endorsement. everyone says nobody likes him and trump obviously ran with that talking point but I didn't believe it was this bad. browny and cruz are made for each other, but nope.
Bob Dole all but said he'd rather have Hillary than Cruz.
Did you see my link in the Cruz thread about all of the republicans that hate him? A decent proportion of the article was devoted to Cruz embarrassing Dole on the Senate floor.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/new-rubio-ad-apparently-uses-stock-footage-canada-n519111
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/new-rubio-ad-apparently-uses-stock-footage-canada-n519111
:curse: stock footage
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/new-rubio-ad-apparently-uses-stock-footage-canada-n519111
:curse: stock footage
How poorly this was executed makes me really appreciate how good lib7 is at this.
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Might be the first Pub candidate to address poverty in the minority community and his sincere plan to address it:
https://youtu.be/MLCgeRN_FAE
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/16/man-shouts-waterboard-hillary-and-rubio-doesnt-rebuke-him/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202
Par for the course Donald Trump is running. Sad to see Rubio stoop to that level.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/16/man-shouts-waterboard-hillary-and-rubio-doesnt-rebuke-him/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202
Par for the course Donald Trump is running. Sad to see Rubio stoop to that level.
Sounds like Rubio didn't hear what was said. Sooooo, what level did he stoop to?
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I hate any of the criticisms directed to candidates' failure to scold people. Dems, pubs, whatever.
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Rubio just picked up Nikki Haley's endorsement!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-south-carolina-gov-nikki-haley-to-endorse-marco-rubio-219390
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Rubio just picked up Nikki Haley's endorsement!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-south-carolina-gov-nikki-haley-to-endorse-marco-rubio-219390
HE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO GET THIRD NOW!!!!
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it will be quite surprising if rubio isn't 2nd in sc. the hand-wringing over nh was ridiculous.
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it will be quite surprising if rubio isn't 2nd in sc. the hand-wringing over nh was ridiculous.
If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
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If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
that's ridiculous. 2nd or 3rd makes almost no difference to him. either way he's going to reinforce his place as the premier alternative to trump/cruz.
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it will be quite surprising if rubio isn't 2nd in sc. the hand-wringing over nh was ridiculous.
If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
Please define "over for him" ? It really is a delegates race at this point.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/02/16/everything-you-need-to-know-about-delegate-math-in-the-presidential-primary/
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it will be quite surprising if rubio isn't 2nd in sc. the hand-wringing over nh was ridiculous.
If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
Please define "over for him" ? It really is a delegates race at this point.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/02/16/everything-you-need-to-know-about-delegate-math-in-the-presidential-primary/
If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
that's ridiculous. 2nd or 3rd makes almost no difference to him. either way he's going to reinforce his place as the premier alternative to trump/cruz.
thats probably true. But super tuesday is coming quick, he needs to at some point actually win a primary.
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I want Rubio to stay in as long as possible so Patrick Murphy can win his Senate seat
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it will be quite surprising if rubio isn't 2nd in sc. the hand-wringing over nh was ridiculous.
If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
Please define "over for him" ? It really is a delegates race at this point.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/02/16/everything-you-need-to-know-about-delegate-math-in-the-presidential-primary/
I'm fully aware. If Trump gets all 50 SC delegates like the polls say he should, this graph gets even worse for everyone thats not Trump.
http://cookpolitical.com/story/9251
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It really is a delegates race at this point.
that's ridiculous as well. delegates are all but meaningless in these early elections. it's all about demonstrating to donors that you're worth funding.
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super tuesday is coming quick, he needs to at some point actually win a primary.
there's no possible way for him to win a primary until bush and kasich drop out. he needs to convince them to drop out as soon as possible. how he finishes compared to trump and cruz is irrelevant. what he needs to do is convincingly beat bush and kasich.
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super tuesday is coming quick, he needs to at some point actually win a primary.
there's no possible way for him to win a primary until bush and kasich drop out. he needs to convince them to drop out as soon as possible. how he finishes compared to trump and cruz is irrelevant. what he needs to do is convincingly beat bush and kasich.
But in a 3 way with Cruz, Trump, and Rubio are we sure Rubio is going automatically win?
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But in a 3 way with Cruz, Trump, and Rubio are we sure Rubio is going automatically win?
no, not at all. but the only possible way to win is to get rid of bush and kasich. so that's what he has to do first. and he has to do it before the winner take all primaries start (earlier if possible).
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I think he should go after kasich first
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If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
that's ridiculous. 2nd or 3rd makes almost no difference to him. either way he's going to reinforce his place as the premier alternative to trump/cruz.
Chuck really really doesn't want Rubio to get the nom, so he makes dumb statements like this.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/16/man-shouts-waterboard-hillary-and-rubio-doesnt-rebuke-him/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202
Par for the course Donald Trump is running. Sad to see Rubio stoop to that level.
Ah, another "doesn't rebuke" story.... :lol: So pathetic.
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If he gets third its over for him. I'd say its 50-50 chance he gets 2nd.
that's ridiculous. 2nd or 3rd makes almost no difference to him. either way he's going to reinforce his place as the premier alternative to trump/cruz.
He's been the premier alternative to Trump and Cruz and it's amounted to crap. It was his own campaign that was quite vocal about 3-2-1 bring their path, they aren't anywhere close to that.
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He's been the premier alternative to Trump and Cruz and it's amounted to crap. It was his own campaign that was quite vocal about 3-2-1 bring their path, they aren't anywhere close to that.
yeah. right now it looks like he's going to emerge as the winner among the establishment candidates, and then get his ass kicked by trump/cruz. but maybe something will change.
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Rubio, or whatever establishment candidate emerges, has a big edge in delegates right now with the Republican equivalent of superdelegates all likely to go in their corner.
I would expect the party to pressure Bush/Kasich/Carson to drop out prior to winner take all states unless one of them somehow pulls a big upset in the next couple of primaries. The worst case for Rubio is the possibility Bush hanging on and trying to limp through Florida.
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Rubio, or whatever establishment candidate emerges, has a big edge in delegates right now with the Republican equivalent of superdelegates all likely to go in their corner.
I would expect the party to pressure Bush/Kasich/Carson to drop out prior to winner take all states unless one of them somehow pulls a big upset in the next couple of primaries. The worst case for Rubio is the possibility Bush hanging on and trying to limp through Florida.
They are no doubt making VP and Sec/cabinet promises right now.
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If only this narrative could be true:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/gowdy_trump_voters_will_eventually_say_we_made_our_point_and_support_electable_rubio.html
I did talk with a friend from Iowa who said that the only reason Cruz won there is because as the day went on and people saw that Trump was winning they picked the candidate they thought had the best chance of winning against Trump on that day and voted Cruz.
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Trump would make a much better president than Cruz.
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I agree lol
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
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TRUMP VOTERS WILL BE ASSIMILATED(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flolworthy.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F02%2Fmarco-rubio-robot-memes-2-400x209.jpg&hash=fe13fb4aba430db0bc217ae3583e268a2a78847f)
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https://twitter.com/TeamMarco/status/700389594332819456
:love:
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If only this narrative could be true:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/gowdy_trump_voters_will_eventually_say_we_made_our_point_and_support_electable_rubio.html
I did talk with a friend from Iowa who said that the only reason Cruz won there is because as the day went on and people saw that Trump was winning they picked the candidate they thought had the best chance of winning against Trump on that day and voted Cruz.
Jesus Christ yard dog, that isn't remotely true. Can you read? Have you seen the list of Republican candidates that have recently won Iowa? The Iowa Republican electorate is highly conservative and evangelical. I mean Pat Robertson finished second here once, kooky ass Pat Robertson.
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
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Cruz is the only candidate that could get me to vote for Hillary.
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
Choosing between Trump and Bernie/Hillary would really suck. Hope it doesn't come to that. I would have no issue voting for Cruz. He's a strong conservative, brilliant, and "the establishment" despises him for not playing ball - which I consider an endorsement.
Just FYI - there is almost no difference between Cruz and Rubio other than demeanor and relatively minor differences on immigration, foreign policy, and tax policy. I support Rubio over Cruz because I am confident Rubio would the mop the floor with Hillary or Bernie.
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Jesus Christ yard dog, that isn't remotely true. Can you read? Have you seen the list of Republican candidates that have recently won Iowa? The Iowa Republican electorate is highly conservative and evangelical. I mean Pat Robertson finished second here once, kooky ass Pat Robertson.
I am only passing along what my friend from Iowa told me. I am not sure how that has anything to do with if I can read?
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
Choosing between Trump and Bernie/Hillary would really suck. Hope it doesn't come to that. I would have no issue voting for Cruz. He's a strong conservative, brilliant, and "the establishment" despises him for not playing ball - which I consider an endorsement.
Just FYI - there is almost no difference between Cruz and Rubio other than demeanor and relatively minor differences on immigration, foreign policy, and tax policy. I support Rubio over Cruz because I am confident Rubio would the mop the floor with Hillary or Bernie.
Demeanor counts for a lot
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
Choosing between Trump and Bernie/Hillary would really suck. Hope it doesn't come to that. I would have no issue voting for Cruz. He's a strong conservative, brilliant, and "the establishment" despises him for not playing ball - which I consider an endorsement.
Just FYI - there is almost no difference between Cruz and Rubio other than demeanor and relatively minor differences on immigration, foreign policy, and tax policy. I support Rubio over Cruz because I am confident Rubio would the mop the floor with Hillary or Bernie.
They don't like him because he's a despicable dirt bag.
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
Choosing between Trump and Bernie/Hillary would really suck. Hope it doesn't come to that. I would have no issue voting for Cruz. He's a strong conservative, brilliant, and "the establishment" despises him for not playing ball - which I consider an endorsement.
Just FYI - there is almost no difference between Cruz and Rubio other than demeanor and relatively minor differences on immigration, foreign policy, and tax policy. I support Rubio over Cruz because I am confident Rubio would the mop the floor with Hillary or Bernie.
Demeanor counts for a lot
In terms of electability - sure. I really wouldn't mind if my president is an bad person as long as he's fighting for American interests.
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
Choosing between Trump and Bernie/Hillary would really suck. Hope it doesn't come to that. I would have no issue voting for Cruz. He's a strong conservative, brilliant, and "the establishment" despises him for not playing ball - which I consider an endorsement.
Just FYI - there is almost no difference between Cruz and Rubio other than demeanor and relatively minor differences on immigration, foreign policy, and tax policy. I support Rubio over Cruz because I am confident Rubio would the mop the floor with Hillary or Bernie.
They don't like him because he's a despicable dirt bag.
Uh huh. Keep beating that drum.
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Jesus Christ yard dog, that isn't remotely true. Can you read? Have you seen the list of Republican candidates that have recently won Iowa? The Iowa Republican electorate is highly conservative and evangelical. I mean Pat Robertson finished second here once, kooky ass Pat Robertson.
I am only passing along what my friend from Iowa told me. I am not sure how that has anything to do with if I can read?
Your friend told you some obviously stupid bullshit that could have been debunked by reading any article about the caucus results.
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trump vs Bernie I'm voting Bernie. Trump vs Hilary I'm voting Trump. Rubio Vs Bernie voting Rubio. Cruz vs Hilary, I'm voting Hilary.
Odd.
Yea it really is, I'm hoping I don't have to choose between trump vs Hilary
Choosing between Trump and Bernie/Hillary would really suck. Hope it doesn't come to that. I would have no issue voting for Cruz. He's a strong conservative, brilliant, and "the establishment" despises him for not playing ball - which I consider an endorsement.
Just FYI - there is almost no difference between Cruz and Rubio other than demeanor and relatively minor differences on immigration, foreign policy, and tax policy. I support Rubio over Cruz because I am confident Rubio would the mop the floor with Hillary or Bernie.
They don't like him because he's a despicable dirt bag.
Uh huh. Keep beating that drum.
Do I need to post the article again?
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I personally don't want to have to chose between any combination of Hillary, Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.
Bernie actually would not be bad if elected. All the radical stuff he proposes would not get passed, and at least he understands the idea of working with the other party to get stuff done.
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I personally don't want to have to chose between any combination of Hillary, Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.
Bernie actually would not be bad if elected. All the radical stuff he proposes would not get passed, and at least he understands the idea of working with the other party to get stuff done.
And you are excited about the idea of Bernie being commander and chief?
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I personally don't want to have to chose between any combination of Hillary, Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.
Bernie actually would not be bad if elected. All the radical stuff he proposes would not get passed, and at least he understands the idea of working with the other party to get stuff done.
And you are excited about the idea of Bernie being commander and chief?
I'd only be happy with Bush or Kaisch as commander in chief, so I've got to pick my poison here. Bernie is at least not in favor of spending trillions of dollars to carpet bomb the entire Middle East.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcQoFSVvGQ&feature=youtu.be
Brutal ad by Cruz on Rubio.
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I personally don't want to have to chose between any combination of Hillary, Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.
Bernie actually would not be bad if elected. All the radical stuff he proposes would not get passed, and at least he understands the idea of working with the other party to get stuff done.
And you are excited about the idea of Bernie being commander and chief?
I'd only be happy with Bush or Kaisch as commander in chief, so I've got to pick my poison here. Bernie is at least not in favor of spending trillions of dollars to carpet bomb the entire Middle East.
Truthfully, it wouldn't cost nearly that much to carpet bomb the Middle East. Or did you mean like every square foot of it.
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A billion a week, or so, though. Isn't that what we were burning through in Iraq?
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Debt doesn't matter CNS
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Debt doesn't matter CNS
Oh it matters but only in domestic spending so those stupid poors get no money, debt created by foreign war is a much better variety of debt.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcQoFSVvGQ&feature=youtu.be
Brutal ad by Cruz on Rubio.
He is going after him hard, but it seems like that bill is his only target. He has nothing else on Rubio. Rubio had a great response about his involvement in that bill in this interview:
https://youtu.be/zbGeh9DNUfY
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Frank is Rubio's friend
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article61292732.html (http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article61292732.html)
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:love:
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bush out. big win for rubio tonight.
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Carson should be following suit
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Rubio may get enough of a bump to pass Cruz for second in the following states. Those Bush voters seem more likely to go to Kasich though.
It's too bad for Cruz that he mumped Carson over, he could have picked those votes up, definitely not now.
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Those Bush voters seem more likely to go to Kasich though.
that would be really bad for rubio. he's gotta get kasich out asap.
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I'd say not being close to winning a state yet is a problem for Rubio, he's going to get his ass kicked in Nevada as well.
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I'd consider myself one of those Bush votes moving to Kasich. I'm concerned the republicans will end up with only irrational candidates. Really looking forward to who steps up as a third party.
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President Rubio :Wha:
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Tonight was a good night for the GOP, even with Trump winning. We're finally effectively down to a three man race, and it's about damned time.
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Tonight was a good night for the GOP, even with Trump winning. We're finally effectively down to a three man race, and it's about damned time.
Cruz and Rubio aren't any more viable than Kasich at this point.
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I don't really hate Rubio, but it concerns me that he is almost the only "establishment" candidate left in the field.
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I don't really hate Rubio, but it concerns me that he is almost the only "establishment" candidate left in the field.
Why? You'd rather they continue to split the vote? He is far and away the most attractive and electable of the candidates.
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Tonight was a good night for the GOP, even with Trump winning. We're finally effectively down to a three man race, and it's about damned time.
Cruz and Rubio aren't any more viable than Kasich at this point.
Pfffft. Ok.
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By the way, the libs rooting against Rubio because they want to run against a weaker candidate in the fall need to realize something. Two things, actually. One, Hillary is simply dreadful as a candidate. She would likely lose to any of these guys. Two, Democrat turnout is dramatically down in all three contests so far - a fact that bodes even worse'r for The Liar.
So if you accept that a Republican is likely to win the WH in 2016 no matter who it is, you'd better hope it's Rubio. Or hell, Trump would actually line up closer to your views except for the major exception of wanting to deport your new voter base.
So pick your poison, Trump or Rubio, but you might as well get on board and buy the bumper stickers. (Besides, deep down, there's a part of you that really doesn't want to vote for The Liar.)
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Isn't it already too late to count on consolidating non-Trump votes? Since all of these non-Trump candidates are in until at least Super Tuesday, won't Trump win big on Super Tuesday in the same way he has been? And won't that essentially give him an insurmountable lead?
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MG is a much better nickname than The Liar
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MG is a much better nickname than The Liar
Yeah, he's really mailing that one in
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I'm sticking with The Liar. I don't care about her being a mean grannie.
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Rubio represents biz as usual. He is Obama and W. He is the same game in the same arena with the same refs.
No thanks.
For this reason, I get why pubs are loving radical candidates. They want conservative ideas in power but in such a way that the dumbfuck elected actually exercises those ideas.
Rubio won't. As for the other side of the horrible candidate coin, hill won't either.
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I'm sticking with The Liar. I don't care about her being a mean grannie.
That is why you'll never be a good bbs'er. Try a little harder. Right now, Reno is a better poster than you, and he's not even a real person.
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MG is at least creative.
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Rubio needs to suspend, schmoozing with Nikki Haley.....woof!
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Ksuw going manic so early :sdeek:
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85% of the pub base has voted against him, to use his logic :jerk:
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For all the angst, the GOP race could be effectively decided by Super Tuesday. And not in Trump's favor. Once those states vote, if Cruz or Rubio has a sufficient advantage over the other, a deal will likely be cut to consolidate the anti-Trump vote. And that's still enough time for the anti-Trump to garner enough votes to beat him.
Trump's only path to victory is if the vote stays divided long enough for him to amass the delegates he needs.
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For all the angst, the GOP race could be effectively decided by Super Tuesday. And not in Trump's favor. Once those states vote, if Cruz or Rubio has a sufficient advantage over the other, a deal will likely be cut to consolidate the anti-Trump vote.
why in the world would cruz pull out? and why in the world would rubio pull out? and for that matter, why in the world would you want them to (assuming you don't want trump). keep them both in and it's just a matter of cutting a deal that jumps over trump. someone pops out on and you have to take your chances with the voters. your scenario almost guarantees trump. but of course it also requires that cruz or rubio be giant morons, so you don't have to worry about it.
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Sys what kind of scenario are you talking about exactly
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Sys what kind of scenario are you talking about exactly
ksuw's scenario of cruz or rubio leaving the race immediately following super tuesday.
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I mean the kingmaker thing. Are the delegate votes from one able to be pledged to another? I don't really know how the delegates are obligated to vote once their candidate drops out.
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I mean the kingmaker thing. Are the delegate votes from one able to be pledged to another?
that's my assumption. i'm ashamed to admit i have actually checked to confirm that they can.
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kasich is interesting too. i saw an article on him saying that he knows he can't win and is just trying to get enough delegates to be cut in on deals if/when deals need to be cut.
he seems way behind, but if he can get a solid 10% of delegates or so, he could have enough to make a difference to someone. perhaps as much as anything, it's interesting because it would suggest that he's not dropping out as long as he thinks he can still get some delegate scraps.
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Is Carson just hanging around because he doesn't realize you can quit before the convention?
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god alone knows what carson is thinking.
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By the time Super Tuesday rolls around, Trump will be too far ahead to catch. Like, even if you factor in things like Texas going to Cruz, Trump's lead will still be huge. For anyone else to get the nomination, there will need to be major delegate shenanigans.
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By the time Super Tuesday rolls around, Trump will be too far ahead to catch. Like, even if you factor in things like Texas going to Cruz, Trump's lead will still be huge. For anyone else to get the nomination, there will need to be major delegate shenanigans.
Even after ST, less than 1/3rd of delegates will be awarded. So no, that's not really true.
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Is Carson just hanging around because he doesn't realize you can quit before the convention?
I would like to believe that. I'd also like to believe that he just keeps campaigning even after the nomination is awarded and he goes all the way and shows up on inauguration day and Chief Justice Roberts has to pull him aside and tell him he's not going to be president. To which Carson doesn't believe him and arrives at the front gate of the White House and the guards have to escort him away as he keeps trying to enter the "code" he was told to let him.
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By the time Super Tuesday rolls around, Trump will be too far ahead to catch. Like, even if you factor in things like Texas going to Cruz, Trump's lead will still be huge. For anyone else to get the nomination, there will need to be major delegate shenanigans.
Even after ST, less than 1/3rd of delegates will be awarded. So no, that's not really true.
So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.
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Tonight was a good night for the GOP, even with Trump winning. We're finally effectively down to a three man race, and it's about damned time.
Cruz and Rubio aren't any more viable than Kasich at this point.
Pfffft. Ok.
You're right Ted Cruz has actually won a state. I'll bet you right now that Kasich will have won more states than Rubio after the March 14th primaries. Also bear in mind that the great lakes region, where Kasich will do best, have a few winner takes all delegates states.
By the way, the libs rooting against Rubio because they want to run against a weaker candidate in the fall need to realize something. Two things, actually. One, Hillary is simply dreadful as a candidate. She would likely lose to any of these guys. Two, Democrat turnout is dramatically down in all three contests so far - a fact that bodes even worse'r for The Liar.
No Democrat is rooting against Rubio, I'm not sure why you think any Democrat is worried about it right now. Republicans rooting for Bernie is also a moronic notion.
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god alone knows what carson is thinking.
Most of Carson's donations are from Super Tuesday states. He was Bernie before Bernie was Bernie. He got a ton of small donations from Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, and Texas. It's also worth noting that because he's not a politician he isn't embolden to the party. Jeb doesn't view his political career as over so he needs to keep the party happy.
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The people hoping for a brokered convention know there was is no way Trump just bows out if that happens, right?
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Trump will sell his delegates to Hillary and use the proceeds to build a hotel on the d.c. mall. Hillary will use the delegates purchased to win the libtard nomination, but not until after she destroys all evidence associated with the aquisition. She will refuse to answer questions as to how she acquired so many delegates and msnbc will blame republicans.
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The people hoping for a brokered convention know there was is no way Trump just bows out if that happens, right?
He will run indie and split the vote just to spite the party
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The people hoping for a brokered convention know there was is no way Trump just bows out if that happens, right?
He will run indie and split the vote just to spite the party
Yes, I think he's too principled not to.
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I consider trump people and Bernie people to be one and the same, intellectually speaking. I think if one is out the other is likely to pick up some of their support, a small amount but enough to swing a state or two.
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Bernie supporters hate Trump.
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By the time Super Tuesday rolls around, Trump will be too far ahead to catch. Like, even if you factor in things like Texas going to Cruz, Trump's lead will still be huge. For anyone else to get the nomination, there will need to be major delegate shenanigans.
Even after ST, less than 1/3rd of delegates will be awarded. So no, that's not really true.
So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.
All 35% of them?
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Bernie supporters hate Trump everyone and everthing.
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Bernie supporters hate Trump everyone and everthing.
Isn't it ironic, don't ya' think?
It's like rainainain on your wedding day
It's the free rideide, when you've already paid
It's the good advice, that you just didn't take
And who would of thought it figures
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I consider trump people and Bernie people to be one and the same, intellectually speaking. I think if one is out the other is likely to pick up some of their support, a small amount but enough to swing a state or two.
Yes one has spewed racist bullshit among other stupid bullshit, and has never had any sort of government office of any type. The other is a US Senator that just happens to believe wealth should be redistributed better, but their supporters are the exact same!
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
If you gave Rubio +10 your prediction nearly happened in SC!!!
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I consider trump people and Bernie people to be one and the same, intellectually speaking. I think if one is out the other is likely to pick up some of their support, a small amount but enough to swing a state or two.
Yes one has spewed racist bullshit among other stupid bullshit, and has never had any sort of government office of any type. The other is a US Senator that just happens to believe wealth should be redistributed better, but their supporters are the exact same!
You have unintentionally proved my point. Nobody that supports either of these idiots has a rough ridin' clue, they're just mad and these guys say stupid crap that is different.
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No Democrat is rooting against Rubio, I'm not sure why you think any Democrat is worried about it right now. Republicans rooting for Bernie is also a moronic notion.
I would argue that the extremely liberal super pac American Bridge's smear campaign against Rubio says otherwise.
god alone knows what carson is thinking.
I enjoy the idea that he only stayed in because Cruz was right about him dropping after Iowa and he stayed in to prove him wrong. Also have heard that Trump made Carson promises to stay in and steal votes from Cruz and Rubio.
So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.
Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.
Bernie supporters hate Trump.
The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.
Isn't it ironic, don't ya' think?
It's like rainainain on your wedding day
It's the free rideide, when you've already paid
It's the good advice, that you just didn't take
And who would of thought it figures
^That bolded area is ironically accurate about Bernie's positions. . .don't you think? A little toooooo ironic....and yeah I really do think. . .
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Great stuff yard dog
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So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.
Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.
Correct. This sounds strange to say for the "front runner," but Trump's only path to victory is if the vote against him stays divided long enough for him to capture a majority of the delegates.
Bernie supporters hate Trump.
The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.
Yes, there are a lot of very stupid people in this country. These are the people voting purely out of frustration as opposed to knowing anything about candidates' positions, basic economics, etc. The good news is that many of these people don't actually vote - but way too many do.
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So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.
Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.
Correct. This sounds strange to say for the "front runner," but Trump's only path to victory is if the vote against him stays divided long enough for him to capture a majority of the delegates.
Bernie supporters hate Trump.
The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.
Yes, there are a lot of very stupid people in this country. These are the people voting purely out of frustration as opposed to knowing anything about candidates' positions, basic economics, etc. The good news is that many of these people don't actually vote - but way too many do.
And yet Trump somehow just pulled at 50% in Mass.
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Bernie supporters hate Trump.
The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.
Yes, there are a lot of very stupid people in this country. These are the people voting purely out of frustration as opposed to knowing anything about candidates' positions, basic economics, etc. The good news is that many of these people don't actually vote - but way too many do.
I was listening to NPR's coverage of the SC primary and they interviewed a Trump supporter. He said one of the reasons he was voting Trump was because he thought the minimum wage was too low and needed to be raised. They clarified after the interview that Trump has no intentions of raising the minimum wage. :facepalm:
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And yet Trump somehow just pulled at 50% in Mass.
Yeah, a state that only has 42 delegates that are divided proportionally with only a 5% threshold to receive delegates.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.
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And yet Trump somehow just pulled at 50% in Mass.
Yeah, a state that only has 42 delegates that are divided proportionally with only a 5% threshold to receive delegates.
It more just shows that Trump is going to crush in the Blue states as this article postulates.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trump-and-blue-state-republicans/
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.
Only after his construction co builds the wall, though.
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I love the fantasy that people have that something drastic is going to change on March 15, and people are going to come out in droves to vote for Marco Rubio all of the sudden. Marco most likely had his chance to really gain momentum in New Hampshire. He didnt, its probably too late now.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.
Do you not pay attention? He said he is going to make Mexico pay for it.
Only after his construction co builds the wall, though.
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Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600
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Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600
Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.
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So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.
Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.
Correct. This sounds strange to say for the "front runner," but Trump's only path to victory is if the vote against him stays divided long enough for him to capture a majority of the delegates.
The only way this could happen is if all states were winner take all. They're not. Not even close. As long as the party doesn't eff him over, Trump pretty much has this in the bag.
http://www.electionprojection.com/republican-nomination-delegates/
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Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600
Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.
So basically you're saying Rubio should have the nomination given to him. Man I thought conservatives were about hard work and stuff.
Also Kasich would be a great a GE candidate, probably better than Rubio.
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Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600
Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.
So basically you're saying Rubio should have the nomination given to him. Man I thought conservatives were about hard work and stuff.
Also Kasich would be a great a GE candidate, probably better than Rubio.
Maybe not. http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/samantha_bee_just_ended_the_john_kasich_charade_in_the_nauseating_bus_terminal_restroom_that_is_the_republican_primary_kasich_initially_seems_like_the_least_disgusting_stall/
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.
Do you not pay attention? He said he is going to make Mexico pay for it.
Only after his construction co builds the wall, though.
Yes, pay for it, not build it. I mean, he is going to want to turn a huge profit, not share it with his workers.
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Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600
Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.
So basically you're saying Rubio should have the nomination given to him. Man I thought conservatives were about hard work and stuff.
Also Kasich would be a great a GE candidate, probably better than Rubio.
Maybe not. http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/samantha_bee_just_ended_the_john_kasich_charade_in_the_nauseating_bus_terminal_restroom_that_is_the_republican_primary_kasich_initially_seems_like_the_least_disgusting_stall/
I didn't think it was a secret that Kasich is pro life.
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Looking at polls, Kasich is likely out soon. He isn't consistent enough to unseat Rubio as establishment guy. Carson/Cruz aren't going anywhere because they don't give a crap about what the party wants. Carson will either have to start winning or run out of money though.
People that think Rubio is in trouble don't understand the Republican's unpledged delegates. With those all likely to go with the establishment guy, current counts are basically:
Trump: 67
Rubio: 447
Cruz: 11
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Looking at polls, Kasich is likely out soon. He isn't consistent enough to unseat Rubio as establishment guy. Carson/Cruz aren't going anywhere because they don't give a crap about what the party wants. Carson will either have to start winning or run out of money though.
People that think Rubio is in trouble don't understand the Republican's unpledged delegates. With those all likely to go with the establishment guy, current counts are basically:
Trump: 67
Rubio: 447
Cruz: 11
The Trump as an R thing has been great, but Trump as an I will be amazing.
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even with the pub unpledgeds, rubio is going to have to cut a deal to get a majority. either a deal to get people to dropout or a deal to take their delegates after the voting is done. neither kasich nor cruz has any reason to just bow out for nothing.
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good article from yesterday on what this board is now doing.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-optimists-and-trump-skeptics-are-about-to-go-to-war/
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Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me. Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.
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Looks like Romney got 35% of unpledged delegates in 2012.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-PU.phtml
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Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me. Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.
He enjoys the glamorous lifestyle.
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Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me. Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.
Because ad buying is extremely expensive.
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Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me. Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.
Because ad buying is extremely expensive.
I think WW meant personally.
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Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me. Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.
Because ad buying is extremely expensive.
I think WW meant personally.
In that case, probably because he has four kids, and right after school he went straight into politics. He didn't spend years earning a lawyer's salary or anything. He also doesn't come from a wealthy family, so he didn't inherit anything.
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Didn't Rubio say he was still paying off student loans? :sdeek:
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Didn't Rubio say he was still paying off student loans? :sdeek:
Nah, he just paid them off recently with the money he made from a book he wrote. So he knows how crushing they can be, but he is not currently paying student loans.
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Looks like Romney got 35% of unpledged delegates in 2012.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-PU.phtml
That site lists a crap ton of unpledged delegates as undecided so I don't think it is exactly up to date.
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Looks like Romney got 35% of unpledged delegates in 2012.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-PU.phtml
That site lists a crap ton of unpledged delegates as undecided so I don't think it is exactly up to date.
It's up to date. Not all votes get cast in the end.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates
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Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me. Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.
Because ad buying is extremely expensive.
I think WW meant personally.
In that case, probably because he has four kids, and right after school he went straight into politics. He didn't spend years earning a lawyer's salary or anything. He also doesn't come from a wealthy family, so he didn't inherit anything.
So here is the thing, he has made over 2 million dollars in the last 5 years but cashed out a 68K retirement account in Sept 2014 so he could pay for a new fridge and air conditioner.
In new disclosure forms filed by Rubio last week, he revealed that he sold $68,241 worth of retirement funds last September. Experts say such a move tends to reflect an extraordinary need for immediate cash, since it comes with a sizable tax penalty.
“It means that he is probably on some level living above his means, because he is borrowing against his future,” said Boston University economist Laurence Kotlikoff.
In an interview on “Fox News Sunday,” Rubio said that he needed “access to cash” for personal expenses and in anticipation of running for president. He said he has at least two other active retirement accounts.
“My refrigerator broke down,” Rubio said. “That was $3,000. I had to replace the air-conditioning unit in our home. My kids all go to school, and they are getting closer to college, and school’s getting more expensive.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/wapo-is-marco-rubio-broke/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/wapo-is-marco-rubio-broke/)
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Is Marco Rubio running for prez to get out of money trouble?
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Is Marco Rubio running for prez to get out of money trouble?
Nah, Breitbart is pro Cruz and have been going after Rubio hard.
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nothing to say about the liquidation of a 68k retirement account at a 40% penalty to buy a fridge and air conditioning unit? The way he handles his own personal finances is pretty troublesome to me. Romneys people in 2012 vetted him for VP running mate in 2012 and passed in large part to how much of a mess it was.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
WELP, only 20 some points off this time. Wanna try again?
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nothing to say about the liquidation of a 68k retirement account at a 40% penalty to buy a fridge and air conditioning unit? The way he handles his own personal finances is pretty troublesome to me. Romneys people in 2012 vetted him for VP running mate in 2012 and passed in large part to how much of a mess it was.
Yeah, I did not know about all this. Maybe don't want the next POTUS trying to sell me amway to cover some household overflow expenses.
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:Chirp:
nothing to say about the liquidation of a 68k retirement account at a 40% penalty to buy a fridge and air conditioning unit? The way he handles his own personal finances is pretty troublesome to me. Romneys people in 2012 vetted him for VP running mate in 2012 and passed in large part to how much of a mess it was.
Former senators and reps have huge retirement and medical benefits for life. No longer needed his own retirement account.
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:Chirp:nothing to say about the liquidation of a 68k retirement account at a 40% penalty to buy a fridge and air conditioning unit? The way he handles his own personal finances is pretty troublesome to me. Romneys people in 2012 vetted him for VP running mate in 2012 and passed in large part to how much of a mess it was.
Former senators and reps have huge retirement and medical benefits for life. No longer needed his own retirement account.
Lol
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
WELP, only 20 some points off this time. Wanna try again?
It all depends on how you look at it. But I am not sure what his path is anymore. Optimistically, if he could come out of super Tuesday with 200+ delegates then it isn't over. But without any additional winnowing between now and then I am not sure what to expect. Not to mention that a lot of states are reporting record numbers of absentee early voting. . .meaning nothing he does now reclaims any of those votes.
It's a real bummer. I don't want a Trump nomination, I don't want Trump representing our party, and I don't want Trump in control of the United States. At this point, Trump leads with 81 delegates. Cruz and Rubio each have 17. It isn't over yet, but I am not sure there is a enough time between now and next Tuesday to slow Trumps angry ignorant mob.
The only glimmer of hope I have is that I have an a+ source who works for the Koch chamber of commerce Freedom Partners. Their president who was making six figures and was successful quit to join the Rubio campaign. I'd find it hard to believe that he would make that jump if he didn't see a path to victory.
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The first state that Rubio wins is.....
South Carolina or Nevada.
WELP, only 20 some points off this time. Wanna try again?
It all depends on how you look at it. But I am not sure what his path is anymore. Optimistically, if he could come out of super Tuesday with 200+ delegates then it isn't over. But without any additional winnowing between now and then I am not sure what to expect. Not to mention that a lot of states are reporting record numbers of absentee early voting. . .meaning nothing he does now reclaims any of those votes.
It's a real bummer. I don't want a Trump nomination, I don't want Trump representing our party, and I don't want Trump in control of the United States. At this point, Trump leads with 81 delegates. Cruz and Rubio each have 17. It isn't over yet, but I am not sure there is a enough time between now and next Tuesday to slow Trumps angry ignorant mob.
The only glimmer of hope I have is that I have an a+ source who works for the Koch chamber of commerce Freedom Partners. Their president who was making six figures and was successful quit to join the Rubio campaign. I'd find it hard to believe that he would make that jump if he didn't see a path to victory.
I appreciate the candor, for the first time Rubio looks like a losing candidate actually looks in interviews and such. I think he expected to lose last night, but the margin of victory shocked him and the campaign. There is still a chance but it seems likely its either Trump or a brokered convention.
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
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Rubio and Cruz should combine as a ticket. Cruz can be VP hatchet man, stumping all the negative crap about the psychopathic democrat candidates and generally humiliating their feeble minds. Rubio can be his intelligent, optimistic, charming, moderate self, without having to sling too much mud.
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it seems likely its either Trump or a brokered convention.
it might not be the only way to stop him, but it's the easiest way to imagine.
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:Chirp:nothing to say about the liquidation of a 68k retirement account at a 40% penalty to buy a fridge and air conditioning unit? The way he handles his own personal finances is pretty troublesome to me. Romneys people in 2012 vetted him for VP running mate in 2012 and passed in large part to how much of a mess it was.
Former senators and reps have huge retirement and medical benefits for life. No longer needed his own retirement account.
So, this pub decided to just give the govt like $30k just because his new retirement package was boss? How conservative of him.
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
I was told to wait until South Carolina, Marco would surely win there after taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Then there was Nevada, a state Marco thought he could win and spent more than other campaigns in. Maybe "true conservative" just isnt that popular this year?
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
I was told to wait until South Carolina, Marco would surely win there after taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Then there was Nevada, a state Marco thought he could win and spent more than other campaigns in. Maybe "true conservative" just isnt that popular this year?
Which is sad. I am a registered Republican because I believe in limited government, states rights, and free market principles. Trump represents all the things people outside the party accuse it of; Crony Capitalism, Xenophobic, Racist, Classist, Sexist, Old and White, Patriarchal, Ignorant. . . .It is frustrating because I know the party has the ability to be so much more than that.
That is why I support Rubio. He isn't perfect (none of the candidates are) but he has the best opportunity in my mind to be a true conservative in office.
The thing that actually scares me the most is the trickle down effect in elections. If Trump is nominated president, does the party coalesce behind his message? Will anyone running as a republican have to side with all of his views? If they don't, he may end up being an extremely lame duck president and that damage might be irreparable both to the party, but more importantly, to the conservative ideal.
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Trump or Cruz in the White House would accomplish absolutely nothing other than adding tons to the deficit by ratcheting up military spending.
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Cash in your kids future to add better AC in the Sitch Room.
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I mean I cashed out my 401k last week for a hover board but at least I'm not running for prez
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The further Trump goes, the more it will hurt Republican Senators/Reps in contested elections.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
It would be exactly like it is now, nothing would get done.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
It would be exactly like it is now, nothing would get done.
This is the future for any president, currently running, unless their party maintains/gains control of both houses. Our govt is broken.
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If that happens, what is the over/under on years in office before impeachment?
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
It would be exactly like it is now, nothing would get done.
I'm fine with that. We have enough laws.
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
I was told to wait until South Carolina, Marco would surely win there after taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Then there was Nevada, a state Marco thought he could win and spent more than other campaigns in. Maybe "true conservative" just isnt that popular this year?
Yeah, you're still beating this drum, and I'm not sure why. I never said South Carolina or Nevada would decide this race or thrust someone ahead of Trump. And as I've already said, some GOP voters are more conservative than others. So again, keep beating that drum but you're not exactly making a profound point.
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If that happens, what is the over/under on years in office before impeachment?
Considering his personal history, his comments, and actions. . . .what could Trump do to get impeached he hasn't already done?
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
I was told to wait until South Carolina, Marco would surely win there after taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Then there was Nevada, a state Marco thought he could win and spent more than other campaigns in. Maybe "true conservative" just isnt that popular this year?
Yeah, you're still beating this drum, and I'm not sure why. I never said South Carolina or Nevada would decide this race or thrust someone ahead of Trump. And as I've already said, some GOP voters aren't conservative, but racist. So again, keep beating that drum but you're not exactly making a profound point.
Fixed your post for you.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
if trump wins, it would be extremely unlikely that the senate or house reverts to the democrats. at least not if he wins running as a republican.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
if trump wins, it would be extremely unlikely that the senate or house reverts to the democrats. at least not if he wins running as a republican.
Generally I would agree with you. But with Trump, all bets are off. Keep in mind that a significant portion of his support comes from cross-over and non-traditional voters. Both are less likely to vote the party line than traditional GOP voters.
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
I was told to wait until South Carolina, Marco would surely win there after taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Then there was Nevada, a state Marco thought he could win and spent more than other campaigns in. Maybe "true conservative" just isnt that popular this year?
Yeah, you're still beating this drum, and I'm not sure why. I never said South Carolina or Nevada would decide this race or thrust someone ahead of Trump. And as I've already said, some GOP voters aren't conservative, but racist. So again, keep beating that drum but you're not exactly making a profound point.
Fixed your post for you.
Right. The best way to tap out of a discussion is with an accusation of raaaaacism.
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If the non-Trump vote coalesces around one candidate after Super Tuesday, it's a new race. If not, Trump likely wins the nomination. It's really that simple. Wait. Until. After. Super. Tuesday.
I was told to wait until South Carolina, Marco would surely win there after taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Then there was Nevada, a state Marco thought he could win and spent more than other campaigns in. Maybe "true conservative" just isnt that popular this year?
Yeah, you're still beating this drum, and I'm not sure why. I never said South Carolina or Nevada would decide this race or thrust someone ahead of Trump. And as I've already said, some GOP voters aren't conservative, but racist. So again, keep beating that drum but you're not exactly making a profound point.
Fixed your post for you.
Right. The best way to tap out of a discussion is with an accusation of raaaaacism.
I'm not saying the conservative movement is racist. I'm saying the GOP has relied on racist voters to win elections, and those same racist voters are voting for Trump.
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If that happens, what is the over/under on years in office before impeachment?
Considering his personal history, his comments, and actions. . . .what could Trump do to get impeached he hasn't already done?
Be President.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
if trump wins, it would be extremely unlikely that the senate or house reverts to the democrats. at least not if he wins running as a republican.
It may not in 2016 but almost certainly would in 2018. I would imagine a Republican would have to distance themselves from Trump but they may also piss off their base. Maybe that is just me assuming that Trump would be a complete disaster though.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
It would be exactly like it is now, nothing would get done.
This is the future for any president, currently running, unless their party maintains/gains control of both houses. Our govt is broken.
Our government works far better when it's completely broken, and is a complete disaster when one party controls the WH and legislature (see the first two years of the b.o. admin)
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
It would take him about 15 days to set a world record for executive orders. Trump is a piece of crap but he isn't going to pussyfoot around waiting for someone to help him do what he wants; admirable but dangerous as hell.
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I don't think trump even wants to do 90% of what he says he will do. I believe him on trade relations with other countries but the build a wall and Muslims can get out stuff feels like pandering that he would pull back from. I mean look at all the stuff Obama promised his liberal base and then said LOL nope on.
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President Trump will do two types of things. He'll do things that will allow him to make more money. And for everything else, he'll behave like an average Democrat.
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Am totally okay with Trump in the WH and D controlled Senate or House.
It would take him about 15 days to set a world record for executive orders. Trump is a piece of crap but he isn't going to pussyfoot around waiting for someone to help him do what he wants; admirable but dangerous as hell.
I don't think he knows exactly what he wants to do. It's going to take a lot longer than 15 days.
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Just wanted to pay my respects to Yard Dog, he tried hard for his candidate and really cared. Sometimes it just isnt in the cards.
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https://vine.co/v/i6Q6HBwqbMn
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One would think that ProgLibs would kind of like Rubio for pushing immigration reform. Maybe it fell short of just throwing open the the gates and disbanding INS that so many PL's want (and what we basically have already).
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https://vine.co/v/i6Q6HBwqbMn
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/idiocracy/donald-trump-president-predictions/
It's pretty much official. :frown:
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So apparently Rubio is going to be in Wichita on Friday.
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Hitting up that loose meat sandwich shop after he drops from a crap show of a super Tuesday?
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So any predictions for our moderate voice of reason tomorrow? I think he may actually win Minnesota!!! But it probably won't matter.
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At this point, my ideal scenario is that Trump wins ST by such a convincing margin that the rest of the candidates are convinced they have no hope of a brokered convention. That leaves them with a choice: one or none. They cut a deal to consolidate or all certainly lose.
Right now Cruz has the strongest argument by far to remain in the race. If he folds, much of his support will go to Trump, helping no one. If everyone else folds, the vast majority of their support will flow to Cruz.
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Rubio has lost a lot of respect with his trump impersonation the last week. What an idiot
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I fully expect the RNC to strong arm a culling after tomorrow. This week will be interesting.
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I fully expect the RNC to strong arm a culling after tomorrow. This week will be interesting.
It won't matter. Rubio is bound to lose Florida basically even if everyone gets out because of early voting.
https://twitter.com/tombevanrcp/status/704417279375577089
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Time to jump ship and go Kasich?
That's what I would do if I was #NeverTrump. But I think Kasich is too moderate for those people.
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So any predictions for our moderate voice of reason tomorrow? I think he may actually win Minnesota!!! But it probably won't matter.
The polling in Minnesota surprises me; that electorate is tailor made for Kasich.
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Time to jump ship and go Kasich?
That's what I would do if I was #NeverTrump. But I think Kasich is too moderate for those people.
Thought he was actually fairly conservative, just campaigning as a moderate. Spot on about the #nevertrump part
Oh he is very conservative, but he had the audacity to give poor people healthcare. And that is a no go with most of the #NeverTrump people.
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So any predictions for our moderate voice of reason tomorrow? I think he may actually win Minnesota!!! But it probably won't matter.
The polling in Minnesota surprises me; that electorate is tailor made for Kasich.
I think it's a case of voters maybe buying the Marcomentum that the media has been selling. Speaking of which, Marco sure blames the media a lot even tho a lot of the dreaded MSM is rooting for him.
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10k lakes to drink from
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I fully expect the RNC to strong arm a culling after tomorrow. This week will be interesting.
the RNC wants Marco to be the nominee and Cruz certainly isn't going to bow out. Carson will finally leave and I guess we will see how much kasich cares about his political future beyond governing Ohio.
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Speculation that carson is staying around just to eff cruz for rough ridin' him in Iowa. Apparently still has tons of campaign money left.
Interesting if accurate
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Speculation that carson is staying around just to eff cruz for rough ridin' him in Iowa.
if that is his reason, i like him about 1000x more than if it is not his reason.
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Rubio is polling 4 points ahead of Clinton. The pubs would be tarded to pick Cruz over him.
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Rubio is polling 4 points ahead of Clinton. The pubs would be tarded to pick Cruz over him.
You mean the same pubs that have made Trump the front runner? In thinking Rubio was a slam dunk nominee, I was giving the GOP way too much credit.
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Speculation that carson is staying around just to eff cruz for rough ridin' him in Iowa. Apparently still has tons of campaign money left.
Interesting if accurate
I don't know about the Cruz thing but the money thing definitely is. Like I said a couple of weeks ago he won't bow out until at least all of the southern primaries are done in mid March because that's where nearly all of his money came from.
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Man the 3-2-1 strategy seems like so long ago :(
https://twitter.com/fdwilkinson/status/704766527342567425
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Is he dead?
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Kind of put up a fight in Virginia
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It's over.
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Kasich can GTFO
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Bye Marco
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Done. He seems desperate with his 'con artist' bullshit.
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We went out like a baby back bitch
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MINNESOTA!!!
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Minnesota is such a weird place, politically speaking.
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Jake Tapper just asked Rubio if he was delusional. :sdeek:
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We went out like a baby back bitch
:lol: one of my favorite sayings
Minnesota is such a weird place, politically speaking.
:thumbs:
Really fascinating and kinda confusing; very good Wikipedia entries
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if he'd have gotten to 1-2% more in a few backwater states, tonight would look totally different. amazingly, he's still in decent shape, because trump is trump and everyone hates cruz.
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Carson out. Down to 4. Crubio beat Trump is all but two states yesterday? There is still time to consolidate and defeat him.
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I still think Cruz is worse than Trump.
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Cruz and rubio are both crazy but rubio looks and talks normal
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“The best chance for the Republican party to not have Trump be the candidate is having these guys now stay in this circular firing squad, let them all pick up delegates and then they can bet on what might happen if there’s a brokered convention,” Franklin Pierce University political science professor Frank Cohen said on Boston Herald Radio’s “Primary Matters” program. “I think that really is the most reasonable scenario for anyone besides Trump to take it, otherwise it’s his.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/03/professor_brokered_convention_only_shot_at_derailing_trump
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rubio's people are whining about kasich staying in, but i'd love to see some info on his voters' second choices. i bet trump would get a decent chunk.
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There is no way Rubio could win Ohio. At least Kasich has a chance.
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i like Rubio less and less every day.
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I still think Cruz is worse than Trump.
Yep
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i like Rubio less and less every day.
me too. i guess his likable thing was all an act.
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Just saw on Twitter that Fox News officially has moved on from Rubio, whatever that means.
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Just saw on Twitter that Fox News officially has moved on from Rubio, whatever that means.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/271569-report-fox-news-finished-with-rubio
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Overt racism against cubanos, duh
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At least he has a new fridge and AC unit
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Kasich supporters wouldn't go to Trump, so I can see why Rubio would be upset. Still, though, he has gotten really annoying lately.
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Deader than Ben Carson. Will he be true to the party and quit before another primary? I guess it doesn't matter either way if he is getting his ass kicked by Kasich now too.
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if he dropped out, could cruz take florida? i think the party needs him to contest florida, even if he's already dead.
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He didn't come this far to drop out a few days before his home state.
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Florida seems right up trump's alley. Crazy. Angry. Racist.
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Florida seems right up trump's alley. Crazy. Angry. Racist.
Also Trump has his name on everything in South Florida
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rubio crushed in puerto rico. don't give up on his dead ass yet.
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If he wins Florida look the eff out
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Question, if Marco doesn't turn into a robot for that 1 debate, what does the race look like now? I think Marco would be a strong third battling Hard with Trump to be the front runner.
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Question, if Marco doesn't turn into a robot for that 1 debate, what does the race look like now? I think Marco would be a strong third battling Hard with Trump to be the front runner.
I don't think the robot thing hurt him as much as his transformation to Marquiposa has.
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Trump has been Big Bro'ing him hard. This would have happened no matter what.
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In that "what if" situation I think the focus is on what would have happened to Kasich if Rubio had finished ahead of him in NH.
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Kasich has ran a great campaign but if takes him from 10th in the field to 3rd, I'm not sure what the point was.
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President is the goal, but VP or a cabinet position is probably a secondary goal.
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Kasich has ran a great campaign but if takes him from 10th in the field to 3rd, I'm not sure what the point was.
It's a really really tough conference. Probably not only the best in the country, but maybe all time. If he was in the democratic conference he'd get the nomination. But right now the republicans are just too tough, and Kasich is a little inexperienced and dealing with transfers. Good amount of moral victories though.
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Marco Rubio was the GOP John Edwards. Funny to think back I was afraid of him.
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i forgot about John Edwards!
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Marco Rubio was the GOP John Edwards. Funny to think back I was afraid of him.
At least Edwards had a scandal to shoot down his campaign.
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don't dismiss rubio so quickly. the fact that cruz is willing to gift trump 100 delegates to try for the kill shot in florida should tell you that he's still relevant.
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Pubs need to broker Rubio's ass into 1st place.
Only guy who stands a shot at Hill.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/how-trump-rubio-cruz-would-fare-against-clinton-november-n534191 (http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/how-trump-rubio-cruz-would-fare-against-clinton-november-n534191)
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another primary victory for rubio. gearing up for florida, it's rubiomentum.
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bye felicia
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He said he is going to Utah
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He said he is going to Utah
Skiing?
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is there a kasich thread? if not, can someone rename this one?
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Cruz should drop out so kasich can go one on one with trump
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Since Trump is going to all but clinch the nomination tonight, lets look back at what could have been for our conservative friends. He was so close, as many kept telling us. But 2020 will definitely be Rubio's year.
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Shut up
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did marco keep his senate seat?
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did marco keep his senate seat?
I think he has it until January.
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I feel sorry for Little Marco. Branded for life by the king of branding.
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This whole thing hurt him. Can't imagine he is re-elected. Glad he at least got his loans paid off recently.
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It's a real Icarus story.
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I thought the deal was that he never ran to hold onto his senate seat. Acted like it was because he was 100% committed to running for President. Everyone in his district seems to hate him, though, so maybe that was just an excuse not to lose a bid for re-election.
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He and Bobby Jindal should start a support group or something.
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Fox News even seems to hate him. I guess he can just teach law in Tampa or whatever now.
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I thought the deal was that he never ran to hold onto his senate seat. Acted like it was because he was 100% committed to running for President. Everyone in his district seems to hate him, though, so maybe that was just an excuse not to lose a bid for re-election.
Considering he is/was a senator, his district is/was Florida. But yeah, him deciding not to run for re-election clears the way for #myguy Patrick Murphy.