Government Shutdown

[CNS]

Oh man! The real reason for the lack of negotiation....liberal free for all for boarder crossing. Flood the boarder now so they can flood the election booth later!

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[Panjandrum]

I want to make sure that I get this boiled down as simply as possible...

i think the main reason boehner is trying to avoid a vote for as long as possible is to try and hold the tea party within the republican party.

Maybe I underestimate the Tea Party, but if they splintered off, they would essentially be a more destructive version of Ralph Nader for the Republicans.  Democrats would have a stranglehold on the Executive, Senate, and then gain a strong majority of the Supreme Court over time.

As it stands now, they're eating the party alive as it is.

[sys]

Maybe I underestimate the Tea Party, but if they splintered off, they would essentially be a more destructive version of Ralph Nader for the Republicans.  Democrats would have a stranglehold on the Executive, Senate, and then gain a strong majority of the Supreme Court over time.

As it stands now, they're eating the party alive as it is.

bend over to keep them in and you alienate business interests and rational voters, fail to support their insanity and you risk them revolting.  i don't see a winning strategy.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?

[p1k3]

So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?

deficit spending helps GDP. Duh, everyone knows that!

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?

deficit spending helps GDP. Duh, everyone knows that!

Oh yeah, mainstream economics.  Why don't we spend way more, really push GDP to new levels?  Maybe Bush can stir up another hurricane to break some stuff for the government to fix.

[p1k3]

So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?

deficit spending helps GDP. Duh, everyone knows that!

Oh yeah, mainstream economics.  Why don't we spend way more, really push GDP to new levels?  Maybe Bush can stir up another hurricane to break some stuff for the government to fix.

That's what I've always wondered. eff the debt ceiling. Let's just deficit spend our brains out!

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all.  Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.

[p1k3]

The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all.  Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.

And the stock market. As long as we completely flood the crap out of it with cash, resulting in record highs every month or so, then the economy must be booming. We should get rid of term limits and elect BO again in '16!

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Another problem is that not enough capital is being confiscated and redeployed to our most foolish and irresponsible citizens.  This is a consumer based economy, don't they get it?

[star seed 7]

The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all.  Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.

And the stock market. As long as we completely flood the crap out of it with cash, resulting in record highs every month or so, then the economy must be booming. We should get rid of term limits and elect BO again in '16!

now you're talking 

[Rage Against the McKee]

If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make.  seems simple to me

it's exactly like running a household.  except without mortgages and credit cards.

I just printed up some bonds to sell to my neighbors because I was a little short on my mortgage payment this month. When it's time to pay interest on those I'll just print more.

If I could sell 30 year bonds at less than 4%, I would sell trillions of dollars worth of bonds, too. That is just free money.

[michigancat]

FSD and pike are a dream tag team.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all.  Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.

And the stock market. As long as we completely flood the crap out of it with cash, resulting in record highs every month or so, then the economy must be booming. We should get rid of term limits and elect BO again in '16!

Good point.  Now that bush is gone and its no longer a meaningless shadow market where the richest rich people park their cash, it the perfect metric for economic growth.  Yepper, the average daily price of 30 corporations is a perfect litmus test.

Also, having the Fed buy 60-80% of bonds at auction will drive interest rates down, which is good because it incentivizes morons into spending more money and forces investors to chase yields in things like stocks and commodities.  Foolproof long term economic growth right there.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FSD and pike are a dream tag team.

Just spit balling some mainstream economics

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make.  seems simple to me

it's exactly like running a household.  except without mortgages and credit cards.

I just printed up some bonds to sell to my neighbors because I was a little short on my mortgage payment this month. When it's time to pay interest on those I'll just print more.

If I could sell 30 year bonds at less than 4%, I would sell trillions of dollars worth of bonds, too. That is just free money.

There aren't a trillion dollars of 30 bonds to sell you rube

[Rage Against the McKee]

Maybe I underestimate the Tea Party, but if they splintered off, they would essentially be a more destructive version of Ralph Nader for the Republicans.  Democrats would have a stranglehold on the Executive, Senate, and then gain a strong majority of the Supreme Court over time.

As it stands now, they're eating the party alive as it is.

bend over to keep them in and you alienate business interests and rational voters, fail to support their insanity and you risk them revolting.  i don't see a winning strategy.

The solution is to not support them and take your lumps in the short term. People will abandon the third party ideals after one or 2 elections when their candidates are seen as crazies that don't show up in debates or get any campaign funding. They would be about as harmful to the republicans as the green party is to the democrats in less than a decade's time. No rational voter is going to continue voting R, at least at the national level, when the tea party is influencing policy.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

well, you should have taxed him.

Pfft, that didn't even cover the lawn maintenance and I had to close my back yard. 

[8manpick]

recently lots of great/fun ideas ITT

[ednksu]

So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?

This is the same issue with voter ID you people have.  There is a right time and a wrong time for these laws.  The right time is usually when there is a real problem or when it prevents an even bigger problem.  You ideological constructs don't allow you to use basic logic so I'll await your rambling response with no real conclusion. 



Also in response to the other posts from this point, when did your household debt allow you to control the world economy, interest rates, and a host of other economic issue?  Oh thats right the household debt equivalency is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and only used by people who got a C- in econ 101.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

 

[sys]

well, you should have taxed him.

Pfft, that didn't even cover the lawn maintenance and I had to close my back yard. 

sounds like you have too many loopholes and your nominal rates are a sham, my friend.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

More SHUTDOWN theater...

At the illegal immigration rally at the national mall yesterday, 8 Democrat lawmakers staged "arrests" - zip-tie handcuffs and all - so that they could be escorted as martyrs down the street in front of the estimated 20,000 protesters. You know, when it comes to the pure razzle dazzle of politics, Dems have got the GOP beat, hands down.

Actually, I guess this had nothing to do with the SHUTDOWN. The monuments were open to the protestors, so the Dems had to stand in a street blocking traffic in order to get arrested. What was the point of that? Oh right... the whole martyr thing.

The lawmakers, all Democrats, were detained by the Capitol Police after they stood silently in a line in the middle of a street that borders the Capitol lawn, blocking traffic. As the police handcuffed them behind their backs and led them away, a crowd pressed in, chanting, “Let them go!”

[CNS]

We should set up mobile ID processing kiosks at those things to get over the voter ID hump.

[Panjandrum]

All 200 Democrats and 19 Republicans support passing a continuing resolution with no additional legislative strings attached that would reopen the federal government, which has been partially closed for a week over a bitter policy dispute between Republicans and Democrats on health care. With three vacancies in 435 member House, 217 votes are currently the minimum needed for the measure to win approval in the House.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/votes-are-there-to-break-shutdown-but-not-the-will/?hpt=hp_t1

So, all this is really doing is alienating people from the Republican Party.

When they unleashed the Tea Party into the world, and gave it a platform, they didn't realize that the swell of stupid was so strong that it would come back and bite them in the end.

What a shame.