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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/national-zoo-panda-cam-dark-shutdown-20422458
I'll never forget where I was the day they turned off the cameras to cute adorable Pandas. Thanks, Obama.
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ship those assholes back to china and let the chinese take care of them. pandas are one of the worst animals in existence.
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ship those assholes back to china and let the chinese take care of them. pandas are one of the worst animals in existence.
Little pigs too. Always eating
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ship those assholes back to china and let the chinese take care of them. pandas are one of the worst animals in existence.
Little pigs too. Always eating
Can you imagine if they actually liked breeding and were good at it? We would have to train them to eat Kudzu or something.
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so weed is legal now, right? is that what this all means?
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so weed is legal now, right? is that what this all means?
Correct. So is murder and anything else you can think of. Anything goes until we get this all ironed out. I'm going to rob a bank this afternoon.
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Butthurt gov worker is really going to make this even worth watching.
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so weed is legal now, right? is that what this all means?
Correct. So is murder and anything else you can think of. Anything goes until we get this all ironed out. I'm going to rob a bank this afternoon.
Be careful not to get Judged
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It's funny how the supposed "party of government" is only too happy to make things like "a government shutdown" are as painful as possible. For example, the White House shut down all public tours back during the sequester deliberations, and I don't think they ever reopened, have they. Meanwhile, Obama will fly Air Force One halfway around the world for a round of golf.
This time around, I hear they're preparing big chain-link fences to cordon off all the national monuments. :lol:
The worst thing that could happen to the libs is if the government "shuts down" and nobody really notices.
EDIT: Sorry, it's not chain link. Those stimulus dollars bought some much nicer fencing. I love the sign: "Because of the Federal Government SHUTDOWN...." :lol:
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And what the hell is that police officer doing up there? Probably working for free, god bless him.
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It's funny how the supposed "party of government" is only too happy to make things like "a government shutdown" are as painful as possible.
I agree. But I guess that's just what happens when you let a bunch of tea party crazies take over your once proud party.
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Too many crazies is def the problem. It's too late, though. Crazies gonna crazy. Vote them out you say? Crazy replacement waiting in the wings.
Sanity doesn't seem to be very well funded or backed these days.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
This is a terrible partisan talking point. It ignores the rules of the Senate.
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we should probably have a pak since the united states of america (usa) is going to be a third world country by next week.
CLAMS?!
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It's funny how the supposed "party of government" is only too happy to make things like "a government shutdown" are as painful as possible. For example, the White House shut down all public tours back during the sequester deliberations, and I don't think they ever reopened, have they. Meanwhile, Obama will fly Air Force One halfway around the world for a round of golf.
This time around, I hear they're preparing big chain-link fences to cordon off all the national monuments. :lol:
The worst thing that could happen to the libs is if the government "shuts down" and nobody really notices.
EDIT: Sorry, it's not chain link. Those stimulus dollars bought some much nicer fencing. I love the sign: "Because of the Federal Government SHUTDOWN...." :lol:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgraphics8.nytimes.com%2Fimages%2F2013%2F10%2F02%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2F02shutdown4_cnd%2F02shutdown4_cnd-articleLarge.jpg&hash=0820f9480142d0a5cea9d7dd362f48196fd9eca3)
And what the hell is that police officer doing up there? Probably working for free, god bless him.
That sign is very butthurt
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
This is a terrible partisan talking point. It ignores the rules of the Senate.
Yeah, we've discussed this plenty in the "debt ceiling" thread. It's accurate. The GOP has proposed a number of budgets in the past few years. When is the last time the Dems in the Senate proposed one that cuts spending?
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Right. The Democrats are out playing golf and working the fantasy waiver wire while the Republicans are responsibly waiting around at the Capitol building for them to agree to their demands. Why won't the Democrats pass a budget that does everything the Republicans want? Republicans did win the House after all, by Gerrymandering districts and winning a million fewer votes than Democrats in 2012. They really should be able to completely run the country on their own terms.
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It's funny how the supposed "party of government" is only too happy to make things like "a government shutdown" are as painful as possible. For example, the White House shut down all public tours back during the sequester deliberations, and I don't think they ever reopened, have they. Meanwhile, Obama will fly Air Force One halfway around the world for a round of golf.
This time around, I hear they're preparing big chain-link fences to cordon off all the national monuments. :lol:
The worst thing that could happen to the libs is if the government "shuts down" and nobody really notices.
EDIT: Sorry, it's not chain link. Those stimulus dollars bought some much nicer fencing. I love the sign: "Because of the Federal Government SHUTDOWN...." :lol:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgraphics8.nytimes.com%2Fimages%2F2013%2F10%2F02%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2F02shutdown4_cnd%2F02shutdown4_cnd-articleLarge.jpg&hash=0820f9480142d0a5cea9d7dd362f48196fd9eca3)
And what the hell is that police officer doing up there? Probably working for free, god bless him.
That sign is very butthurt
Yes, it has the thing where random words are capitalized to try and make their point. Just more pussification/Facebookization of America.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
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welp, my DoD project managers just got sent home, so my $8mil construction project is without anyone who can approve anything or give official direction. Was told that since we still have access to the site to carry on. :driving:
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Don't fall into the "both sides are equally intransigent" talking point. One side is causing all of the problems, and it's by design. They've spent a lot of money on think tanks trying to figure out how to essentially break the government. They are mainly motivated by the fear of growing entitlements and environmental regulation. Democrats try to do something you don't like? Just control enough of the government to hold it hostage and get your way.
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Stock market is up guys. No worries. :whistle1:
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Don't fall into the "both sides are equally intransigent" talking point. One side is causing all of the problems, and it's by design. They've spent a lot of money on think tanks trying to figure out how to essentially break the government. They are mainly motivated by the fear of growing entitlements and environmental regulation. Democrats try to do something you don't like? Just control enough of the government to hold it hostage and get your way.
that's obviously why they want the delay in enacting ACA, in the hopes that they can muster enough spots in congress to repeal. it's not about "giving more time".
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Don't fall into the "both sides are equally intransigent" talking point. One side is causing all of the problems, and it's by design. They've spent a lot of money on think tanks trying to figure out how to essentially break the government. They are mainly motivated by the fear of growing entitlements and environmental regulation. Democrats try to do something you don't like? Just control enough of the government to hold it hostage and get your way.
You can see the effects of this in Europe and California, do not want. Obama holds them up as examples of his vision, therefore he must be stopped.
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Don't fall into the "both sides are equally intransigent" talking point. One side is causing all of the problems, and it's by design. They've spent a lot of money on think tanks trying to figure out how to essentially break the government. They are mainly motivated by the fear of growing entitlements and environmental regulation. Democrats try to do something you don't like? Just control enough of the government to hold it hostage and get your way.
I don't recall seeing anything saying that one side was urgently and continually requesting the other come to the middle to discuss and negotiate any major issue. They both continually stiff arm each other and suck.
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Don't fall into the "both sides are equally intransigent" talking point. One side is causing all of the problems, and it's by design. They've spent a lot of money on think tanks trying to figure out how to essentially break the government. They are mainly motivated by the fear of growing entitlements and environmental regulation. Democrats try to do something you don't like? Just control enough of the government to hold it hostage and get your way.
I don't recall seeing anything saying that one side was urgently and continually requesting the other come to the middle to discuss and negotiate any major issue. They both continually stiff arm each other and suck.
What middle is there? Either they fund a law that was passed by both houses or they don't. What's the middle ground on that?
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Don't fall into the "both sides are equally intransigent" talking point. One side is causing all of the problems, and it's by design. They've spent a lot of money on think tanks trying to figure out how to essentially break the government. They are mainly motivated by the fear of growing entitlements and environmental regulation. Democrats try to do something you don't like? Just control enough of the government to hold it hostage and get your way.
I don't recall seeing anything saying that one side was urgently and continually requesting the other come to the middle to discuss and negotiate any major issue. They both continually stiff arm each other and suck.
What middle is there? Either they fund a law that was passed by both houses or they don't. What's the middle ground on that?
nothing ever gets passed on it's own merits. There is always a deal on another issue, a rider, etc.
Also, the budget. They both want one, but neither wants the other's idea of what it should be and both have declared that the aren't budging on some of the inclusions/requirements. "We will not increase taxes one bit" vs "We will not cut public service programs"
Can't have it both ways and both declare they won't budge on their stance.
Rather than giving and taking, they end up doing nothing and then we shut down.
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Thanks Torell!
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FYI, the last repub budget only operated to delay the individual mandate 1 year. If you recall, the mandate was delayed for businesses unilaterally earlier this year. The repubs proposed 3 budgets in 18 hours, the senate defeated them all.
The only negotiating was the repubs against themselves. Of course libtard cofd is too busy watching MSNBC to know what's going on
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break the government.
I don't see a problem with this
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FYI, the last repub budget only operated to delay the individual mandate 1 year. If you recall, the mandate was delayed for businesses unilaterally earlier this year. The repubs proposed 3 budgets in 18 hours, the senate defeated them all.
The only negotiating was the repubs against themselves. Of course modtard cofd is too busy watching MSNBC to know what's going on
FYP
Again, there's really nothing to negotiate. AHA was passed by both houses and deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court. The Republicans can get the majority in both houses and repeal the law.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
This is a terrible partisan talking point. It ignores the rules of the Senate.
Yeah, we've discussed this plenty in the "debt ceiling" thread. It's accurate. The GOP has proposed a number of budgets in the past few years. When is the last time the Dems in the Senate proposed one?
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FYI, the last repub budget only operated to delay the individual mandate 1 year. If you recall, the mandate was delayed for businesses unilaterally earlier this year. The repubs proposed 3 budgets in 18 hours, the senate defeated them all.
The only negotiating was the repubs against themselves. Of course modtard cofd is too busy watching MSNBC to know what's going on
FYP
Again, there's really nothing to negotiate. AHA was passed by both houses and deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court. The Republicans can get the majority in both houses and repeal the law.
Why is okay to delay enforcement against business a year, but not individuals? What does this have to do with a repealing a law passed in as dubious of a manner as possible.
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You know the libtards are reeling when the filibuster graph comes out.
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break the government.
I don't see a problem with this
Well we still need one, or else it's back to caves and sticks and hunting and gathering.
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break the government.
I don't see a problem with this
Well we still need one, or else it's back to caves and sticks and hunting and gathering.
I've managed to make it all day without moving into a cave or hunting and gathering for food.
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what about the weed tho fsd?
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dnr thread but......DAT VOTER ALIENATION! :love:
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Why is okay to delay enforcement against business a year, but not individuals? What does this have to do with a repealing a law passed in as dubious of a manner as possible.
I don't think it was ok to delay enforcement against businesses.
If you don't see this refusal to fund a law that was passed as a chicken crap maneuver, then maybe I have given you more credit than I should have.
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Senate voted down the House whatever for a budget conference. rough ridin' uncompromising House!
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break the government.
I don't see a problem with this
Well we still need one, or else it's back to caves and sticks and hunting and gathering.
I've managed to make it all day without moving into a cave or hunting and gathering for food.
Pics or it didn't happen.
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what about the weed tho fsd?
Refer to your state govt.
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Why is okay to delay enforcement against business a year, but not individuals? What does this have to do with a repealing a law passed in as dubious of a manner as possible.
I don't think it was ok to delay enforcement against businesses.
If you don't see this refusal to fund a law that was passed as a chicken crap maneuver, then maybe I have given you more credit than I should have.
To be fair, that's exactly what those people were elected to do.
To your libtarded complaint, they compromised against themselves to only delay the individual mandate (bring individuals in parity with the relief obamatard gave business) one year. Your defund argument is now a straw man.
If you were a real modtard, instead of a libtard, you'd realize the senate is currently the uncompromising party.
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Don't they shut down every weekend for the most part? I enjoy the weekend.
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Oh my god, this government shutdown is terrible! Can someone please FIND JA RULE?!!? I need to make sense of all this. WHERE'S JA??? Guide me Ja Rule.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
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Don't they shut down every weekend for the most part? I enjoy the weekend.
Sorry, weekends are officially cancelled until further notice due to the Federal Government SHUTDOWN.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
Quit being stupid. That is part of the problem.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
Quit being stupid. That is part of the problem.
It's the entire problem.
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with this thread, the obamacare thread, the facebook thread and just listening to dumbasses talk at the office today has been a FANTASTIC day to sit up on my moderate throne and smuggly look down at everyone offering my fake pity.
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with this thread, the obamacare thread, the facebook thread and just listening to dumbasses talk at the office today has been a FANTASTIC day to sit up on my moderate throne and smuggly look down at everyone offering my fake pity.
Steve, as a Moderate, can you just tell us how much the federal government should spend? Appreciate your guidance.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
Quit being stupid. That is part of the problem.
It's the entire problem.
So the Dems don't want to spend more? Lets see...
- March 2013: Latest Dem budget proposal would increase spending 62% over next decade (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/proposed-dem-budget-increases-spending-62-over-next-decade_707579.html)
- September 2013: Pelosi says "The cupboard is bare, there's no more cuts to make." (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/09/pelosi-the-cupboard-is-bare-173214.html)
Seems like they want to spend more.
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:lol:
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
Quit being stupid. That is part of the problem.
It's the entire problem.
So the Dems don't want to spend more? Lets see...
- March 2013: Latest Dem budget proposal would increase spending 62% over next decade (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/proposed-dem-budget-increases-spending-62-over-next-decade_707579.html)
- September 2013: Pelosi says "The cupboard is bare, there's no more cuts to make." (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/09/pelosi-the-cupboard-is-bare-173214.html)
Seems like they want to spend more.
More stupid my team v your team stupidity. Shocking.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
Quit being stupid. That is part of the problem.
It's the entire problem.
So the Dems don't want to spend more? Lets see...
- March 2013: Latest Dem budget proposal would increase spending 62% over next decade (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/proposed-dem-budget-increases-spending-62-over-next-decade_707579.html)
- September 2013: Pelosi says "The cupboard is bare, there's no more cuts to make." (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/09/pelosi-the-cupboard-is-bare-173214.html)
Seems like they want to spend more.
More stupid my team v your team stupidity. Shocking.
Please show me a serious Dem proposal to cut spending. Thanks.
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K-S-U, would you say that the problems we have are more related to the spending or the deficits?
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Does anyone actually think $4 trillion is about the right amount of spending for our federal government. I mean, that's a ridiculous number, right?
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K-S-U, would you say that the problems we have are more related to the spending or the deficits?
I'm not sure I understand your question. The deficits add to the national debt. The deficits are simply a function of revenue versus expenses. Revenue doesn't seem to be a problem. (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/2472542000000-record-taxation-through-august-deficit-still-755b) We are overspending.
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I kind of like snow days in September.
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Hope they storm the White House next. http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/ (http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/)
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The more you tell me you're moderate, the less I believe it.
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Perhaps K-S-U is mistaking "moderate" for "extreme right wing teabagger."
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Hope they storm the White House next. http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/ (http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/)
They should all be arrested for trespassing.
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What exactly is the makeup of the house where "some Republicans" can garner a majority?
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/national-zoo-panda-cam-dark-shutdown-20422458
I'll never forget where I was the day they turned off the cameras to cute adorable Pandas. Thanks, Obama.
I feel like we need to recognize how great (whether intended or not) this OP is.
I mean, a federally funded panda cam?? Funding cuts shutting it down???
That's pretty modtard stuff right there. :lol: :lol:
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Perhaps K-S-U is mistaking "moderate" for "extreme right wing teabagger."
I don't think you understand the "I'm a moderate" joke.
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Service academy games are now a victim of the government shutdown.
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has anyone considered cutting military spending?
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has anyone considered cutting military spending?
Non-dumbasses have.
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
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has anyone considered cutting military spending?
Would be too damaging to the economy is what I heard. Also, our commander in chief really likes wars.
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ill take a pay cut to do barrys job for the rest of the year if thats what goEMAW wants
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I would finish Barry's term out for no money at all if people would let me.
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I really wanted to take a second to applaud the Gosling/Zoo thing. I chuckled.
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I would finish Barry's term out for no money at all if people would let me.
Yeah, it'd look great on a resume.
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I would finish Barry's term out for no money at all if people would let me.
He's not doing anything. Let his chair finish out the term.
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
LOL, there's like 1 ranger for every 40,000 acres, and when was the last time you saw someone guarding a statue.
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Perhaps K-S-U is mistaking "moderate" for "extreme right wing teabagger."
If tea partiers are teabaggers, who are the tebagees? Dems?
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
LOL, there's like 1 ranger for every 40,000 acres, and when was the last time you saw someone guarding a statue.
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Funny, you know what I think is crazy? How about doubling the national debt by $10 trillion over 8 years, while passing a massive new entitlement, pushing for amnesty to put millions more people on said entitlement, and never even passing a budget. Yeah, that seems pretty rough ridin' crazy to me. But to each his own....
Both sides are pretty worthless. Neither know how to talk to each other anymore. I mean, if you can't even listen to another's opinion, you certainly will miss opportunities to compromise, which is what this nation needs. Middle ground legislation for middle ground ppl. The problem is that moderation and middle ground isn't good news or radio discussion topics to ppl that like to be angry or entertained.
The secondary problem, which is what my other post was about, is that the actions we have as ppl to change is to throw out one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) only to usher in another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that will be willingly led to the same level of inaction and corruption as the last Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because the party that provides for them tells them how it's going to be. This is why I said that sanity is not well backed or funded these days. Its en vogue to be extremely stubborn these days.
Amen, brother. Look, the Dems want to spend more, the Pubs want to spend less. Let's just compromise and spend the same as we're doing now! Problem solved and nobody gets their feelings hurt!
Quit being stupid. That is part of the problem.
It's the entire problem.
So the Dems don't want to spend more? Lets see...
- March 2013: Latest Dem budget proposal would increase spending 62% over next decade (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/proposed-dem-budget-increases-spending-62-over-next-decade_707579.html)
- September 2013: Pelosi says "The cupboard is bare, there's no more cuts to make." (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/09/pelosi-the-cupboard-is-bare-173214.html)
Seems like they want to spend more.
More stupid my team v your team stupidity. Shocking.
Please show me a serious Dem proposal to cut spending. Thanks.
You may have been reading other ppl's posts and attributing them to me, but I haven't talked about spending specifically at all in this thread.
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
LOL, there's like 1 ranger for every 40,000 acres, and when was the last time you saw someone guarding a statue.
Pretty sure you can't just go right up to the Lincoln and climb onto his lap.
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Is it bad that I feel almost completely detached from all of this shut down stuff? I know that all of this stuff effects me, but whatever happens in the government doesn't really seem to make a difference in my life, or really too many people that I know, outside of them bitching about politics.
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
LOL, there's like 1 ranger for every 40,000 acres, and when was the last time you saw someone guarding a statue.
Pretty sure you can't just go right up to the Lincoln and climb onto his lap.
Yeah, inpenatrable velvet ropes and all. FYI, not all statues are on the DC mall.
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
LOL, there's like 1 ranger for every 40,000 acres, and when was the last time you saw someone guarding a statue.
Pretty sure you can't just go right up to the Lincoln and climb onto his lap.
Yeah, inpenatrable velvet ropes and all. FYI, not all statues are on the DC mall.
:Ugh:
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break the government.
I don't see a problem with this
Well we still need one, or else it's back to caves and sticks and hunting and gathering.
I've managed to make it all day without moving into a cave or hunting and gathering for food.
lol oh my god. Great read into the mind of a libtard
"I must be governed. . . I need the government!
:lol:
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
Right. But honestly why do we even have "national parks"? Like, what is the harm in the federal government going to Wyoming and saying "look, you guys take over Yellowstone. It's a huge tourism earner for you, so we're going to let you take care of it"
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
Right. But honestly why do we even have "national parks"? Like, what is the harm in the federal government going to Wyoming and saying "look, you guys take over Yellowstone. It's a huge tourism earner for you, so we're going to let you take care of it"
You've got a fever and the only prescription is more PBS documentaries.
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Alex Smith is adorbs in that.
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This was unfortunate timing for baby rex
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We'll just take over 1/6th of the economy on a party line vote, if we end up a couple votes short we could just buy them off, I don't foresee any pushback in the future, we should be fine- ready break!
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This was unfortunate timing for baby rex
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
Right. But honestly why do we even have "national parks"? Like, what is the harm in the federal government going to Wyoming and saying "look, you guys take over Yellowstone. It's a huge tourism earner for you, so we're going to let you take care of it"
Mainly because many western states like Wyoming/Idaho/Montana would immediately sell off shitloads of parkland to logging/drilling interests and (even more likely) shoot all of the megafauna that ranchers regard as pests (wolves, bears, etc).
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How do you close a forest or statue? That just seems Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
National landmarks need to be protected to some extent. unfettered access means they will be ruined by some idiot.
Right. But honestly why do we even have "national parks"? Like, what is the harm in the federal government going to Wyoming and saying "look, you guys take over Yellowstone. It's a huge tourism earner for you, so we're going to let you take care of it"
Mainly because many western states like Wyoming/Idaho/Montana would immediately sell off shitloads of parkland to logging/drilling interests and (even more likely) shoot all of the megafauna that ranchers regard as pests (wolves, bears, etc).
Good for them. Let's do it.
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This was unfortunate timing for baby rex
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
No leave pay. Bad time to take a 3-month medical leave. I mean, it's really our fault for having a due date around the end of the fiscal year. Irresponsible, really. But you know how those crazy Cairo winters can be. :sdeek: :sdeek:
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80% of government employees were still expected to go to work. The other 20% they should probably lay off anyway.
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With the us-egypt conduit, places on both sides, and the network of fixers at your disposal, it seems like there are possibilities for supplemental income for the creative.
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This was unfortunate timing for baby rex
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
No leave pay. Bad time to take a 3-month medical leave. I mean, it's really our fault for having a due date around the end of the fiscal year. Irresponsible, really. But you know how those crazy Cairo winters can be. :sdeek: :sdeek:
yikes. well at least legal hiring in DC is booming. heh.
ts and ps, fr.
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80% of government employees were still expected to go to work. The other 20% they should probably lay off anyway.
Well, it's not quite that simple.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/slate_labs/2013/10/federal_government_shutdown_agencies_with_the_most_furloughs.html
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80% of government employees were still expected to go to work. The other 20% they should probably lay off anyway.
Well, it's not quite that simple.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/slate_labs/2013/10/federal_government_shutdown_agencies_with_the_most_furloughs.html
meh. ballpark
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i've been a registered 'pub for 9 of the last 10 years, but i can't see myself voting for one, for any national office for the foreseeable future. they're rough ridin' children.
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i've been a registered 'pub for 9 of the last 10 years, but i can't see myself voting for one, for any national office for the foreseeable future. they're rough ridin' children.
Sys just hasn't had that good pussy like the pubs. Stop demeaning them as white men.
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everyone survive with out the government yesterday?
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Is it bad that I feel almost completely detached from all of this shut down stuff? I know that all of this stuff effects me, but whatever happens in the government doesn't really seem to make a difference in my life, or really too many people that I know, outside of them bitching about politics.
it's not bad. it just means that you are like most people. if you were felix though and you can't use your sick or annual leave now and you just had a kid, then it would probably be a big deal to you. or if you are the primary wage earner in your family and you got sent home yesterday with no idea when you might be able to go back to work and start making money again, then it would probably be a big deal to you as well. you'd probably have an opinion and feeling about stuff then. but you aren't and you don't know a lot of people that are, so it's not a big deal to you. normal.
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Pretty amazing that the democrats can elect extreme left wingers like Pelosi as their party leaders, then call the republicans extremists and get away with it.
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Must suck to be a federal employee, knowing that if you can last you're first year of employment you are set up with above average pay and incredible benefits for the rest of your life. But these two weeks without pay every 17 years really makes the rest of the country feel for you guys.
GMAFB you assclown
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Must suck to be a federal employee, knowing that if you can last you're first year of employment you are set up with above average pay and incredible benefits for the rest of your life. But these two weeks without pay every 17 years really makes the rest of the country feel for you guys.
GMAFB you assclown
If you find yourself envying the salary of a federal employee, then it's probably time to move on and get a better job.
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Must suck to be a federal employee, knowing that if you can last you're first year of employment you are set up with above average pay and incredible benefits for the rest of your life. But these two weeks without pay every 17 years really makes the rest of the country feel for you guys.
GMAFB you assclown
so you aren't a federal employee either? got it. i never would've guessed. also, it's your not you're.
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
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Must suck to be a federal employee, knowing that if you can last you're first year of employment you are set up with above average pay and incredible benefits for the rest of your life. But these two weeks without pay every 17 years really makes the rest of the country feel for you guys.
GMAFB you assclown
If you find yourself envying the salary of a federal employee, then it's probably time to move on and get a better job.
Who are you offering this advice to?
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Someone I know Federal Gov't Job as a middle manager at Federal Agency:
Salary: $102K (Plus regular cash bonuses)
PTO: Tons
Work week: Flex Time 4-10 Hour Days and 3 day weekends, including 2 of the 4 days "working" at home.
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Someone I know Federal Gov't Job as a middle manager at Federal Agency:
Salary: $102K (Plus regular cash bonuses)
PTO: Tons
Work week: Flex Time 4-10 Hour Days and 3 day weekends, including 2 of the 4 days "working" at home.
I guess I just don't see your point. This doesn't seem outrageous at all.
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When I worked for the fed I got a paid day off work because a president from before I was born died. If I put 6% into my 401k they matched 10% of my inflated salary, plus an annual bonus. I got 39 days paid vacation. I was supposed to work 40 hours a week but was only assigned enough stuff to do to keep me busy ~20. My health insurance was free with a $250 deducable and no copay.
Also, I was "essential" so this bullshit would have had no effect on my life.
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Someone I know Federal Gov't Job as a middle manager at Federal Agency:
Salary: $102K (Plus regular cash bonuses)
PTO: Tons
Work week: Flex Time 4-10 Hour Days and 3 day weekends, including 2 of the 4 days "working" at home.
good for him. sounds like an ok gig. the guy who lives across the street from me is pharma sales guy. hardly ever works, small territory, good drug, always at home, car paid for, three kids, wife does not work, lives in 350-400k house. it's also a pretty decent job and he's a great guy. i'm happy for him.
and yes to what nk said, if you find yourself complaining about how much federal employees get paid or how much time off they have or whatever then my goodness it's time to start looking for a different job.
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The Fed or the federal government?
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Pharma guy can get fired, and typically the bottom 50% of the sales force get laid off.
Pharma sales is an aristocracy for doctors' children, fwiw. You can thank the federal govt. in large part for their bloated pay.
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Back to the point at hand, I think it's hilarious that the Dems closed down the monuments in DC with those fences and SHUTDOWN signs, and the WWII vets said "eff that, you're not using our monument as a prop for your phony shutdown" and stormed the barricade. That's why they're the greatest generation.
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Pharma guy can get fired, and typically the bottom 50% of the sales force get laid off.
Pharma sales is an aristocracy for doctors' children, fwiw. You can thank the federal govt. in large part for their bloated pay.
well i mean i don't really think any of that is true, but then again i don't really care. i like the guy and i want him to do well, just the same as i like pretty much every human and want them to also do well. but then again, i also make enough money of my own and have a good enough life that it doesn't anger me to see other people succeeding and happy. :dunno:
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Back to the point at hand, I think it's hilarious that the Dems closed down the monuments in DC with those fences and SHUTDOWN signs, and the WWII vets said "eff that, you're not using our monument as a prop for your phony shutdown" and stormed the barricade. That's why they're the greatest generation.
Yeah fences and guards cost money. Political clownshowery.
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this gov. shutdown really has k-s-u whipping ass in these threads
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And if you wondering what the point is,
This thread is about defunding a law that has caused millions of people to work reduced hours and lose employer provided healthcare coverage all so some neophyte can claim he accomplished something I during his trite and meaningless presidency.
So complaining about not working for no pay for a couple weeks looks pretty fuckimg insensitive when you consider the unemployment/ underemployment in this country in large part caused by obamacare.
SHUT UP
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And if you wondering what the point is,
This thread is about defunding a law that has caused millions of people to work reduced hours and lose employer provided healthcare coverage all so some neophyte can claim he accomplished something I during his trite and meaningless presidency.
So complaining about not working for no pay for a couple weeks looks pretty fuckimg insensitive when you consider the unemployment/ underemployment in this country in large part caused by obamacare.
SHUT UP
Just how much funding has Obamacare lost because of this power move? Can we just expect it to go away now?
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threads like this one make me feel a lot better when i do something stupid. like, oh, maybe you shouldnt have microwaved that fork this morning. oh well, at least im not rough ridin' fake sugar dick calling people libtards. #soblessed
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So apparently just 6.6% of EPA employees are deemed "essential" to work through the SHUTDOWN. That.... actually makes perfect sense. So if we can keep this thing going, are these guys effectively fired? Kinda like "fixing the glitch" in Office Space?
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And if you wondering what the point is,
This thread is about defunding a law that has caused millions of people to work reduced hours and lose employer provided healthcare coverage all so some neophyte can claim he accomplished something I during his trite and meaningless presidency.
So complaining about not working for no pay for a couple weeks looks pretty fuckimg insensitive when you consider the unemployment/ underemployment in this country in large part caused by obamacare.
SHUT UP
Just how much funding has Obamacare lost because of this power move? Can we just expect it to go away now?
Whose fault is that?
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Studs.
WASHINGTON — Wheelchair-bound elderly veterans pushed aside barricades to tour the World War II Memorial Tuesday morning, in defiance of the government shutdown which closed all of the memorials in the nation’s capital.
The four bus loads of veterans — visiting from Mississippi as part of a once-in-a-lifetime Honor Flight tour — ignored National Park Police instructions not to enter the site as lawmakers and tourists cheered them on.
“We didn’t come this far not to get in,” one veteran proclaimed.
The scene was both emotional and comical at once. After it was clear they had lost control of the situation, Park Police officials stood aside, telling press that they had “asked for guidance on how to respond” to the breach of security.
As 80-something veterans slowly walked around the massive war memorial, Park Police stood quietly to the side, advising other tourists that the site was technically still closed. But they made no moves to stop the wishes of the war heroes.
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“It’s great to be here, but it’s really disappointing that we can’t get closer to see it,” said Gene Tolley, a Marine Corps veteran who served in the Pacific during the war. “I came through the city back in high school, but I was looking forward to coming back and seeing this.”
He got his wish.
As Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, distracted a Park Police representative, other lawmakers and their staff helped topple the metal fences. A bagpiper on hand for the event led the men past the crowd and into the heart of the memorial, attracting a large, applauding crowd.
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Can we go back to the guy only getting 10 paid holidays? Seems like a 3rd world country thing. Also, that guy working 40 hour weeks that FSD was talking about... Man, what a slacker!
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This was unfortunate timing for baby rex
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
No leave pay. Bad time to take a 3-month medical leave. I mean, it's really our fault for having a due date around the end of the fiscal year. Irresponsible, really. But you know how those crazy Cairo winters can be. :sdeek: :sdeek:
yikes. well at least legal hiring in DC is booming. heh.
ts and ps, fr.
Time to start the tv show and book based on your thread
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
I have no idea what you are even talking about.
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
I have no idea what you are even talking about.
He is saying "let them eat cake"
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.
It's really not though...
Why do you feel the need for everyone that works hard for a living to pay for people that don't even want to find jobs? I work my ass off in order to do what I want and i'm tired of people freeloading off successful people. This country was built off of hard work and opportunity. Everyone has the opportunity to achieve more and have more success, but they have to work for it. Whether it's a minimum wage job that provides small healthcare or one where you have all the money in the world. The problem with Americans now is that we're lazy and feel like we're entitled to everything and that's just not how it works.
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
This is a bit dickish but every person in this country runs the risk of losing their job if their employer runs out of money. I would feel sorry for all of them equally, but its life and if you didn't like it you should find a way to be immune (be your own boss).
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Someone I know Federal Gov't Job as a middle manager at Federal Agency:
Salary: $102K (Plus regular cash bonuses)
PTO: Tons
Work week: Flex Time 4-10 Hour Days and 3 day weekends, including 2 of the 4 days "working" at home.
good for him. sounds like an ok gig. the guy who lives across the street from me is pharma sales guy. hardly ever works, small territory, good drug, always at home, car paid for, three kids, wife does not work, lives in 350-400k house. it's also a pretty decent job and he's a great guy. i'm happy for him.
and yes to what nk said, if you find yourself complaining about how much federal employees get paid or how much time off they have or whatever then my goodness it's time to start looking for a different job.
You moved to Windmere?
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
Human rights tho.
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
Human rights tho.
At what expense? Yours? Mine? A middle class family that brings just enough home to take care of themselves because they're responsible? It's not everyone else's burden to carry the people that can't carry themselves. Human rights are one thing, but health insurance is a completely different animal.
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
This is a bit dickish but every person in this country runs the risk of losing their job if their employer runs out of money. I would feel sorry for all of them equally, but its life and if you didn't like it you should find a way to be immune (be your own boss).
Great post! The idea that you have to work hard/smart for what you want is a very simple idea that has been gnarled and twisted by the government over time by making you pay for people that don't share the same ambitions as you do.
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shellshock has made some excellent points here and ive decided to change my mind about everything. thanks, ss, for showing me the light!
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
Human rights tho.
At what expense? Yours? Mine? A middle class family that brings just enough home to take care of themselves because they're responsible? It's not everyone else's burden to carry the people that can't carry themselves. Human rights are one thing, but health insurance is a completely different animal.
We spend trillions on killing people on the other side of the planet. Are you saying a baby whose mom just got laid off should go without medical care?
Your posts read like a very simple minded version of a some bad Kristol article.
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
Human rights tho.
At what expense? Yours? Mine? A middle class family that brings just enough home to take care of themselves because they're responsible? It's not everyone else's burden to carry the people that can't carry themselves. Human rights are one thing, but health insurance is a completely different animal.
We spend trillions on killing people on the other side of the planet. Are you saying a baby whose mom just got laid off should go without medical care?
Your posts read like a very simple minded version of a some bad Kristol article.
oil security and less expensive gas.
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.
I don't know man, having a nice car makes you feel good. I bet people with nice rides are healthier than people who drive clunkers. Placebo effect?
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
Human rights tho.
At what expense? Yours? Mine? A middle class family that brings just enough home to take care of themselves because they're responsible? It's not everyone else's burden to carry the people that can't carry themselves. Human rights are one thing, but health insurance is a completely different animal.
We spend trillions on killing people on the other side of the planet. Are you saying a baby whose mom just got laid off should go without medical care?
Your posts read like a very simple minded version of a some bad Kristol article.
Well you should have pulled up your boot straps when you decided to get cancer you lazy slob.
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Rules don't apply to WWII vets
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
I already don't vote, so this sounds fine to me.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
I already don't vote, so this sounds fine to me.
haha, best pike post ever :thumbs:
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Someone I know Federal Gov't Job as a middle manager at Federal Agency:
Salary: $102K (Plus regular cash bonuses)
PTO: Tons
Work week: Flex Time 4-10 Hour Days and 3 day weekends, including 2 of the 4 days "working" at home.
good for him. sounds like an ok gig. the guy who lives across the street from me is pharma sales guy. hardly ever works, small territory, good drug, always at home, car paid for, three kids, wife does not work, lives in 350-400k house. it's also a pretty decent job and he's a great guy. i'm happy for him.
and yes to what nk said, if you find yourself complaining about how much federal employees get paid or how much time off they have or whatever then my goodness it's time to start looking for a different job.
You moved to Windmere?
The Pharma Sales probably has everything he does or doesn't do looked at on a daily, weekly and monthly basis in a highly qualified, objective and quantifiable manner. Poor results will likely lead to corrective action if not dismissal taking place with no one to turn to for recourse or delay of said action.
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I know of a Pharm Rep from McPherson who had $70k worth of champagne at his retirement party in Seattle.
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https://portfoliomanager.energystar.gov/pm/j_spring_security_check
:dubious: :dubious: :dubious:
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
I'm not sure what you are talking about here, and I don't think you are, either.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
It's either that, or debtor's jail.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
It's either that, or debtor's jail.
I feel like barter is being underrepresented here.
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
This is a bit dickish but every person in this country runs the risk of losing their job if their employer runs out of money. I would feel sorry for all of them equally, but its life and if you didn't like it you should find a way to be immune (be your own boss).
it's not dickish at all and i 100% completely agree. nobody really cares about anything unless it directly affects them or maybe (maybe) someone they really care about. you think FR is going to say a prayer if some downtown kc law office folds? heck no he isn't. he's going wake up, take a shower, hop in his car and head to kafe leopold for late brunch and some mimosas. that's just life. and no, no move. the house across from me is just bigger and nicer than mine.
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It's either that, or debtor's jail.
I feel like barter is being underrepresented here.
"submit to some trials and we'll fix that compound femur fracture, ma'am."
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FTR, I'm not really complaining. The timing sucks for us a little, but our situation is pretty different than the typical 40-50k guy who is gonna feel some strain if he goes two weeks without a check. I'm really more in the detached camp. Plus, I can still work remotely and suck up some extra tax teet dollars.
Also FTR, I've fired three employees in the last 3 years or so. So you're welcome, America.
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our situation is pretty different than the typical 40-50k guy who is gonna feel some strain if he goes two weeks without a check.
whoa there fanning
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
This is a bit dickish but every person in this country runs the risk of losing their job if their employer runs out of money. I would feel sorry for all of them equally, but its life and if you didn't like it you should find a way to be immune (be your own boss).
it's not dickish at all and i 100% completely agree. nobody really cares about anything unless it directly affects them or maybe (maybe) someone they really care about. you think FR is going to say a prayer if some downtown kc law office folds? heck no he isn't. he's going wake up, take a shower, hop in his car and head to kafe leopold for late brunch and some mimosas. that's just life. and no, no move. the house across from me is just bigger and nicer than mine.
glad i'm not a dick!
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FTR, I'm not really complaining. The timing sucks for us a little, but our situation is pretty different than the typical 40-50k guy who is gonna feel some strain if he goes two weeks without a check. I'm really more in the detached camp. Plus, I can still work remotely and suck up some extra tax teet dollars.
Also FTR, I've fired three employees in the last 3 years or so. So you're welcome, America.
Hell yeah bruh, let that strap hanger rough ridin' twist!
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
This is a bit dickish but every person in this country runs the risk of losing their job if their employer runs out of money. I would feel sorry for all of them equally, but its life and if you didn't like it you should find a way to be immune (be your own boss).
it's not dickish at all and i 100% completely agree. nobody really cares about anything unless it directly affects them or maybe (maybe) someone they really care about. you think FR is going to say a prayer if some downtown kc law office folds? heck no he isn't. he's going wake up, take a shower, hop in his car and head to kafe leopold for late brunch and some mimosas. that's just life. and no, no move. the house across from me is just bigger and nicer than mine.
glad i'm not a dick!
me too! also, mhk housing prices are pretty high for ks. it's not like kc or wichita or something. you'd probably be pretty surprised.
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Boohoo, I don't get paid for two weeks out of my 30 year meaningless career that affords me above average salary, exceptional benefits and a fixed 830 to 5 job with 10 paid holidays. Oh yeah, I can't get fired absent some atrocious behavior after my one year probationary period. But feel sorry for me, pleeeeeaaase!
This is a bit dickish but every person in this country runs the risk of losing their job if their employer runs out of money. I would feel sorry for all of them equally, but its life and if you didn't like it you should find a way to be immune (be your own boss).
it's not dickish at all and i 100% completely agree. nobody really cares about anything unless it directly affects them or maybe (maybe) someone they really care about. you think FR is going to say a prayer if some downtown kc law office folds? heck no he isn't. he's going wake up, take a shower, hop in his car and head to kafe leopold for late brunch and some mimosas. that's just life. and no, no move. the house across from me is just bigger and nicer than mine.
glad i'm not a dick!
me too! also, mhk housing prices are pretty high for ks. it's not like kc or wichita or something. you'd probably be pretty surprised.
It is an elite city, so I have no doubt.
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our situation is pretty different than the typical 40-50k guy who is gonna feel some strain if he goes two weeks without a check.
whoa there fanning
Ha. Really meant that more as our two incomes w/ no kids versus people in our same office with 3 kids and a stay at home wife.
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do you have to pay rent when you're in Cairo?
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This is going to make a pretty slow moving episode. One of those that saves money by not having a bunch of other non-main characters with lines and stuff. I mean, we'll watch it because it's on and otherwise wouldn't get our fix for the week, but it won't be entertaining.
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More guards to keep people out than it would take personnel to keep it open. Also, closing parks on government land not operated by the federal government. It's now obvious obama is trying to make this as painful as possible. What a drama queen.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/shutdown-overreach-more-guards-at-wwii-memorial-than-benghazi-park-service-closes-park-it-doesnt-run/article/2536710 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/shutdown-overreach-more-guards-at-wwii-memorial-than-benghazi-park-service-closes-park-it-doesnt-run/article/2536710)
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
Yes. Just like McDonalds turns me away from a cheeseburger when I forget my wallet.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
Yes. Just like McDonalds turns me away from a cheeseburger when I forget my wallet.
...to expand: There's no reason why we should treat health insurance any different than other goods/services. If you can't pay, you don't get it. It's really not that hard folks.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
Yes. Just like McDonalds turns me away from a cheeseburger when I forget my wallet.
Should the police help you if you are being beaten in Los Angeles? Keep in mind, you didn't pay crap in taxes in Los Angeles.
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
Yes. Just like McDonalds turns me away from a cheeseburger when I forget my wallet.
Should the police help you if you are being beaten in Los Angeles? Keep in mind, you didn't pay crap in taxes in Los Angeles.
You're clearly missing the point. :facepalm:
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Hey guys I think Shellshock is on to something here. If you can't pay for defense we should allow Russian communists to come here and rape your family. I mean pull up your boot straps and pay for soldiers like a real man, amIrite!
Also as long as we're on this....maybe we can charge people for exercising certain other rights. Maybe, like a tax, on voting, at the polls. Yeah, that could really generate some revenue. :Wha:
This is what obamacare does. You have the right not to buy health insurance for yourself, but you're going to have to pay the government for that right.
The only hole in this is that still if you get sick(really sick) you can go to the hospital and they will still provide care.
Who pays for that care?
Should hospitals just turn people away that can't pay?
Yes. Just like McDonalds turns me away from a cheeseburger when I forget my wallet.
Should the police help you if you are being beaten in Los Angeles? Keep in mind, you didn't pay crap in taxes in Los Angeles.
You're clearly missing the point. :facepalm:
What is the point?
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The point is that he wants free McDonalds if others are getting free health care.
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
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The point is that he wants free McDonalds if others are getting free health care.
I could get behind this idea if it were chick-fil-a or Rubio's fish tacos.
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The point is that he wants free McDonalds if others are getting free health care.
I could get behind this idea if it were chick-fil-a or Rubio's fish tacos.
How many ppl would be hitting up mcd's for a shake or something on their way home from TooMuchTwinkieFatSurgery? I bet a lot.
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I think its funny that people think that obamacare provides health insurance to people who can't afford it. What a bunch of retards.
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The point is that he wants free McDonalds if others are getting free health care.
I could get behind this idea if it were chick-fil-a or Rubio's fish tacos.
How many ppl would be hitting up mcd's for a shake or something on their way home from TooMuchTwinkieFatSurgery? I bet a lot.
Do this one in the "everyone show up at the doctor" context. Then think of your sick 2 year old who has to wait so some fatfuck who has indigestion can get get screened for heart trauma
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When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?
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The point is that he wants free McDonalds if others are getting free health care.
I could get behind this idea if it were chick-fil-a or Rubio's fish tacos.
How many ppl would be hitting up mcd's for a shake or something on their way home from TooMuchTwinkieFatSurgery? I bet a lot.
Do this one in the "everyone show up at the doctor" context. Then think of your sick 2 year old who has to wait so some fatfuck who has indigestion can get get screened for heart trauma
I would think that the fat guy who possibly has heart trauma probably needs to see the doctor more than my 2 year old with the sniffles.
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From a pure economic standpoint, aren't we better of poisoning these people to death rather than allowing them to live off the government dole and procreate. We could simultaneously reduce carbon emissions.
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Good news everyone (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/2/irs-collecting-money-not-sending-refunds-during-sh/), the IRS is still collecting money during the SHUTDOWN, but processing refunds will need to wait.
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The point is that he wants free McDonalds if others are getting free health care.
I could get behind this idea if it were chick-fil-a or Rubio's fish tacos.
How many ppl would be hitting up mcd's for a shake or something on their way home from TooMuchTwinkieFatSurgery? I bet a lot.
Do this one in the "everyone show up at the doctor" context. Then think of your sick 2 year old who has to wait so some fatfuck who has indigestion can get get screened for heart trauma
I would think that the fat guy who possibly has heart trauma probably needs to see the doctor more than my 2 year old with the sniffles.
The fat guy has indigestion. Your child is screaming and pulling her ears, you don't know what's wrong. The clinic is closed and the nurse is filling out 9 pages of mandated aca paperwork he doesn't understand.
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It's really going to be interesting Oct. 17th unless the Republican dumbasses draft and pass a debt ceiling bill to get it out of the WWE ring and confine their "fight" to the spending bill. At least then those Biggest Loser wannabees won't get free McDs. I don't know about you guys, but I stocked up on canned Spagetti-o's, Natty Ice, hollow points, gunpowder, and several boxes of condoms, just in case.
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More guards to keep people out than it would take personnel to keep it open. Also, closing parks on government land not operated by the federal government. It's now obvious obama is trying to make this as painful as possible. What a drama queen.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/shutdown-overreach-more-guards-at-wwii-memorial-than-benghazi-park-service-closes-park-it-doesnt-run/article/2536710 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/shutdown-overreach-more-guards-at-wwii-memorial-than-benghazi-park-service-closes-park-it-doesnt-run/article/2536710)
LOL, never waste a tragedy, or some such
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/government-shutdown-forces-national-zoo-to-turn-of,34062/?ref=auto
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Hey, didja hear about the Obama Administration closing down the WWII memorial, and then it turned into a big PR disaster when vets "stormed the barricades"? Some more vets did it today, only now the libs are doubling down. The SEIU paid people to protest at the WWII rally today about "getting back to work." (This is the same SEIU that now hates Obamacare, which is the reason for the SHUTDOWN, so... I'm so confused. :dunno:)
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LOL, I tried to check the equity in athletics website today and apparently it's so bad they had to shut down the DOE servers. I mean, not even the database could survive without the 25/7/365 care of some server/web geek.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
You can't close a statue, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). If they don't have money why are they spending it trying to close a statue?
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When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?
No one is pretending they don't. I am not in favor of Obamacare. I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
Well, you outed me...
Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.
I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread
I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
Well, you outed me...
Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.
I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread
I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.
Good eff that is a mess.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
You can't close a statue, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). If they don't have money why are they spending it trying to close a statue?
Yeah, I get that. My post isn't pointed only here. Have been hearing about it on tv and the radio too. Like olds side stepping a sign is really showing someone. Maybe the whole thing has been tongue in cheek in a stupid not funny way? :dunno:
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
Well, you outed me...
Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.
I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread
I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.
Good eff that is a mess.
Someday I just want to sit down, drink a couple brews and talk this (and obviously some KSU sports) through with you 'stone. We're not getting anywhere here and I think we both have logical explanations, it's just the delivery. Heck, i'll even buy the brews! :cheers:
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.
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harder to chug beer sitting down. i think we can all agree on that.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
It's not a concrete patio. It's a monument to the million or so Americans who were killed or wounded ridding the world of one of the most evil tyrants ever known. The Obama Admin made the incredibly petty, disrespectful, and stupid decision to use it as a "SHUTDOWN" prop and the veterans said "eff You." Good for them.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
It's not a concrete patio. It's a monument to the million or so Americans who were killed or wounded ridding the world of one of the most evil tyrants ever known. The Obama Admin made the incredibly petty, disrespectful, and stupid decision to use it as a "SHUTDOWN" prop and the veterans said "eff You." Good for them.
Oh man! If that is what is going on, please continue to update us on when ever some old guy is ballsy enough to tell the current president "eff you".
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When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?
No one is pretending they don't. I am not in favor of Obamacare. I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.
Well if the guy who hits the car doesn't have car insurance or only state minimum coverage and the car he hits is expensive, he's wiped out and nobody cares. Likewise, if the guy dies after getting hit, after thousands of dollars of health coverage are expended, if he's the primary bread winner and he doesn't have life insurance his surviving family is wiped out and nobody cares.
But we have have to live with a law that affects everyone based on bullshit anecdotes, and its pathetic.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.
why doesn't obama just keep everything open? seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses! :dunno:
what an bad person obama is.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.
why doesn't obama just keep everything open? seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses! :dunno:
what an bad person obama is.
All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.
why doesn't obama just keep everything open? seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses! :dunno:
what an bad person obama is.
All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.
Lets stop acting like Republicans have clean hands here. I'm not placing the blame on 'pubs 100%, but holy eff.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.
why doesn't obama just keep everything open? seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses! :dunno:
what an bad person obama is.
All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.
sometimes you stray into FSD territory.
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Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.
DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?
HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. (:lol:) So they have no right to pick and choose.
BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?
REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.
The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.
So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.
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When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?
No one is pretending they don't. I am not in favor of Obamacare. I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.
Well if the guy who hits the car doesn't have car insurance or only state minimum coverage and the car he hits is expensive, he's wiped out and nobody cares. Likewise, if the guy dies after getting hit, after thousands of dollars of health coverage,, if he's the primary bread winner and he doesn't have life insurance he's wiped out and nobody cares.
But we have have to live with a law and hat affects everyone based on bullshit anecdotes, and its pathetic.
But the guy who causes an accident is the same as the guy who gets testicular cancer?
Good analogy professor. #livetrim
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
Well, you outed me...
Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.
I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread
I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.
eff you and yourself self interested ideologue bullshit that has no place in America. Move to rough ridin' Somalia if you want that life. The US was founded on many principles which are diametrically opposed to your way of life.
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Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.
DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?
HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. (:lol:) So they have no right to pick and choose.
BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?
REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.
The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.
So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.
Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue. This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.
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When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?
No one is pretending they don't. I am not in favor of Obamacare. I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.
Well if the guy who hits the car doesn't have car insurance or only state minimum coverage and the car he hits is expensive, he's wiped out and nobody cares. Likewise, if the guy dies after getting hit, after thousands of dollars of health coverage,, if he's the primary bread winner and he doesn't have life insurance he's wiped out and nobody cares.
But we have have to live with a law and hat affects everyone based on bullshit anecdotes, and its pathetic.
But the guy who causes an accident is the same as the guy who gets testicular cancer?
Good analogy professor. #livetrim
Right, both dumbasses who didn't properly insure themselves.
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No difference between the 2. Got it. Have you considered writing a book?
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No difference between the 2. Got it. Have you considered writing a book?
What if the guy that "caused" the accident, caused it by swerving to miss a dog? Does the help you understand better? Because you're whiffing on the point.
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How about the family of the guy who died?
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How about the family of the guy who died?
Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along. Lots of private charities exist as well.
I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else. The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.
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What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff? I get why it's happening. I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?
The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.
why doesn't obama just keep everything open? seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses! :dunno:
what an bad person obama is.
All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.
sometimes you stray into FSD territory.
I can't help that, when you're right, you're right. As a moderate, I sometimes stray into seven territory, too.
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How about the family of the guy who died?
Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along. Lots of private charities exist as well.
I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else. The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.
Okay, great. Still not the point.
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How about the family of the guy who died?
Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along. Lots of private charities exist as well.
I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else. The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.
Okay, great. Still not the point.
You are simply horrible at explaining your point then. Sorry
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.
It's really not though...
Why do you feel the need for everyone that works hard for a living to pay for people that don't even want to find jobs? I work my ass off in order to do what I want and i'm tired of people freeloading off successful people. This country was built off of hard work and opportunity. Everyone has the opportunity to achieve more and have more success, but they have to work for it. Whether it's a minimum wage job that provides small healthcare or one where you have all the money in the world. The problem with Americans now is that we're lazy and feel like we're entitled to everything and that's just not how it works.
SS,
Just so you know the ACA was put into effect to help middle class families protect their assets and savings too.
If you're not aware of that then I'm not sure you really pick up a newspaper or have a clue about what has or is going on.
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
Well, you outed me...
Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.
I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread
I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.
eff you and yourself self interested ideologue bullshit that has no place in America. Move to rough ridin' Somalia if you want that life. The US was founded on many principles which are diametrically opposed to your way of life.
The US was like founded to not pay taxes
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How about the family of the guy who died?
Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along. Lots of private charities exist as well.
I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else. The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.
Okay, great. Still not the point.
You are simply horrible at explaining your point then. Sorry
You started it.
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Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.
DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?
HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. (:lol:) So they have no right to pick and choose.
BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?
REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.
The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.
So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.
Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue. This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.
:lol: So your argument boils down to "well they started it! :bawl:" They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?
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Dick Armey weighs in.
http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/02/how-the-gop-congress-saved-obama-from-the-dog-house/?hpt=hp_t1 (http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/02/how-the-gop-congress-saved-obama-from-the-dog-house/?hpt=hp_t1)
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Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.
DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?
HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. (:lol:) So they have no right to pick and choose.
BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?
REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.
The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.
So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.
Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue. This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.
:lol: So your argument boils down to "well they started it! :bawl:" They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?
Dear idiot,
If you allow a piecemeal approach to refunding the government it is NO DIFFERENT than passing a CR with the defunding clause.
You are the ones who passed by the kids with cancer and the kids who rely on SNAP for your partisan ideologue terrorism.
People with logic,
ednksu
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Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue. This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.
:lol: So your argument boils down to "well they started it! :bawl:" They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?
Dear idiot,
If you allow a piecemeal approach to refunding the government it is NO DIFFERENT than passing a CR with the defunding clause.
You are the ones who passed by the kids with cancer and the kids who rely on SNAP for your partisan ideologue terrorism.
People with logic,
ednksu
Of course it is NO DIFFERENT for Dems - because they insist on an all or nothing approach. Why is this so hard for a "person of logic" to understand? So because of the Dems' "partisan ideologue terrorism," kids with cancer and who rely on SNAP suffer. Sad, really.
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Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue. This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.
:lol: So your argument boils down to "well they started it! :bawl:" They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?
Dear idiot,
If you allow a piecemeal approach to refunding the government it is NO DIFFERENT than passing a CR with the defunding clause.
You are the ones who passed by the kids with cancer and the kids who rely on SNAP for your partisan ideologue terrorism.
People with logic,
ednksu
Of course it is NO DIFFERENT for Dems - because they insist on an all or nothing approach. Why is this so hard for a "person of logic" to understand? So because of the Dems' "partisan ideologue terrorism," kids with cancer and who rely on SNAP suffer. Sad, really.
look when the Dems tried to do a conference on the budget FOURTEEN TIMES the tea party blocked it. You don't get a do over when your party of ideological terrorists runs the gauntlet and makes America suffer. That portion of the issue is ENTIRELY due to the work of the Tea Party and no one else is to blame. You don't get to sneak your way back into the budget discussion while completing your goal when you are the ones who caused the conflict to begin with. The ACA was pasted, tested, and allowed. Get the eff over it. We've already seen Federal spending levels below what the Ryan budget wanted. The only thing your side wants right now is the old paradigm where insurance companies can rape honest Americans in the healthcare industry.
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Look when the Dems tried to do a conference on the budget FOURTEEN TIMES the tea party blocked it. You don't get a do over when your party of ideological terrorists runs the gauntlet and makes America suffer. That portion of the issue is ENTIRELY due to the work of the Tea Party and no one else is to blame. You don't get to sneak your way back into the budget discussion while completing your goal when you are the ones who caused the conflict to begin with. The ACA was pasted, tested, and allowed. Get the eff over it. We've already seen Federal spending levels below what the Ryan budget wanted. The only thing your side wants right now is the old paradigm where insurance companies can rape honest Americans in the healthcare industry.
:sdeek: Yeah, it's the Tea Party's fault we don't have a budget that reduces spending. :lol:
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hey dumbasses,
you two are demonstrating what's wrong with our government. shut up and stop being dumbasses.
sincerely,
everybody else.
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I'm starting to believe this government shutdown thing isn't so bad. The last one led to 4 consecutive years of a balanced budget, which libs love to hail as a great lib achievement. The only problem is we had a much more pragmatic president in '96.
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he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart. I know some people like him.
Well, you outed me...
Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.
I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread
I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.
eff you and yourself self interested ideologue bullshit that has no place in America. Move to rough ridin' Somalia if you want that life. The US was founded on many principles which are diametrically opposed to your way of life.
JFC... :facepalm:
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.
It's really not though...
Why do you feel the need for everyone that works hard for a living to pay for people that don't even want to find jobs? I work my ass off in order to do what I want and i'm tired of people freeloading off successful people. This country was built off of hard work and opportunity. Everyone has the opportunity to achieve more and have more success, but they have to work for it. Whether it's a minimum wage job that provides small healthcare or one where you have all the money in the world. The problem with Americans now is that we're lazy and feel like we're entitled to everything and that's just not how it works.
SS,
Just so you know the ACA was put into effect to help middle class families protect their assets and savings too.
If you're not aware of that then I'm not sure you really pick up a newspaper or have a clue about what has or is going on.
It's not the middle class families that i'm worried about. Most of the middle class families aren't even involved in whats going on as many have healthcare plans already. The ACA does not address the underlying issues which cause health care costs to soar, it just papers over those high costs with taxpayer dollars and government imposed mandates on employers. The costs are still there and still going up. All the ACA did was point a gun to everyone's head and force them to buy insurance. Sort of like trying to fix homelessness and high home prices by forcing everyone to buy a home and mortgage.
If you believe everything the paper says all the time, you're just a herded sheep.
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I don't get it. How do you run out of imaginary money?
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I don't get it. How do you run out of imaginary money?
It's a Federal Reserve Bank joke, CFOD.
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I don't get it. How do you run out of imaginary money?
Stop taking the square root of negative numbers? :dunno:
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Update: Harry Reid hates veterans and national parks (http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-blocks-funding-for-veterans-programs-national-parks/article/2536769).
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Also, apparently the administration has now announced that all monuments are open only "for First Amendment activities." So.... if you're there to protest against the government using the closure of monuments as props for the SHUTDOWN, that's ok, but if you're just a tourist, you're trespassing? Where does "honoring the fallen" line up?
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they should take down all barriers on the Mall, but also not pick up any trash or mow the grass or clean up graffiti or stuff like that.
National Parks should probably stay blocked off, though. people could start fires.
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National Parks should probably stay blocked off, though. people could start fires.
they can't start fires in national forests?
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National Parks should probably stay blocked off, though. people could start fires.
they can't start fires in national forests?
ok, close those gates, too.
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Better also shut down the interstate highways, too. Will we need to make new signs, or can we somehow re-purpose these with some SHUTDOWN decals? We should probably just spend the money on making new ones. Never know when we might need them again, you know?
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neocon: government is bad! shut down the government!
-shutdown-
neocon: hey! i was using that government thing! give that back to me!
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neocon: government is bad! shut down the government!
-shutdown-
neocon: hey! i was using that government thing! give that back to me!
strawman!
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
if we gut the military we run an instant surplus and all party.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
if we gut the military we run an instant surplus and all party.
you hate veterans
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
if we gut the military we run an instant surplus and all party.
some ppl couldn't afford the gas to drive to that party. Freedom!
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
if we gut the military we run an instant surplus and all party.
And if we gutted welfare be could have a way bigger party. How 'bout we compromise as fellow moderates and gut them both half-way? :cheers:
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neocon: government is bad! shut down the government!
-shutdown-
neocon: hey! i was using that government thing! give that back to me!
now that's funny
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Better also shut down the interstate highways, too. Will we need to make new signs, or can we somehow re-purpose these with some SHUTDOWN decals? We should probably just spend the money on making new ones. Never know when we might need them again, you know?
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yeah if you wanted to travel on a roadway you should have thought about that before hand. Pull your bootstraps up and pave your own way instead of waiting for big government to provide you with basic services! You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
if we gut the military we run an instant surplus and all party.
And if we gutted welfare be could have a way bigger party. How 'bout we compromise as fellow moderates and gut them both half-way? :cheers:
Not sure you know what welfare is.fry.jpg
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neocon: government is bad! shut down the government!
-shutdown-
neocon: hey! i was using that government thing! give that back to me!
what government thing? I haven't used any all week!
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
MODS: please rename thread to "sys learns a valuable lesson".
TIA
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Its de minimus
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
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So now senate democrats are refusing to negotiate with senate democrats. This psuedo two party system really doesn't work for me.
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A shutdown should close everything, essential stuff remaining open is a copout.
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A shutdown should close everything, essential stuff remaining open is a copout.
yeah, It's barely shut down at all. so stupid.
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A shutdown should close everything, essential stuff remaining open is a copout.
Libtard: government is God! You can't shut it down!
-shutdown-
Librard: hey! They need to SHUTDOWN everything! What a cop out!
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A shutdown should close everything, essential stuff remaining open is a copout.
Libtard: government is God! You can't shut it down!
-shutdown-
Librard: hey! They need to SHUTDOWN everything! What a cop out!
Libtard: Our $4 trillion government is essential! You can't shut it down!
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: Hey! You can't just SHUTDOWN the non-essential stuff! You gotta SHUTDOWN everything! What a cop out!
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A shutdown should close everything, essential stuff remaining open is a copout.
Libtard: government is God! You can't shut it down!
-shutdown-
Librard: hey! They need to SHUTDOWN everything! What a cop out!
Libtard: Our $4 trillion government is essential! You can't shut it down!
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: Hey! You can't just SHUTDOWN the non-essential stuff! You gotta SHUTDOWN everything! What a cop out!
Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
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you guys, stop saying libtard. its hurting peoples feelings...
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I kind of hate K-S-U-Wildcats! the poster, but I think I'd enjoy hanging out with him IRL
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
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idiot trying to talk politics: im going to refer to liberals as libtards, a joke on people who are mentally handicapped, because it will make me seem smarter as i try to argue politics with established moderate steve dave.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
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I kind of hate K-S-U-Wildcats! the poster, but I think I'd enjoy hanging out with him IRL
i used to think he was 100% real but i don't anymore. he's pretty funny though.
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All of you stop being mean.
Especially the libtards.
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
I dig semi-controlled of both. that's why I am a moderate (#1mod)
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
I dig semi-controlled of both. that's why I am a moderate (#3mod)
FYP
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
Because we default if we can't pay that debt?
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SHUTDOWN update:
Sections of fence have been removed from the WWI memorial to shore up beleaguered defenses at the WWII memorial. While the current state of fortifications at the WWI appears suspect, President Obama said he is confident it will be sufficient to repel any WWI veterans.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVkshNuCMAA8yza.jpg)
Meanwhile, NPS employees worked furiously through the night reinforcing the WWII barricades. After consulting with the Army Corp of Engineers, wire is now being employed to hold the section together.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVvCkmPCIAIunjR.jpg)
President Obama made a brief appearance to the monument this morning to rally the troops of security guards before departing to an undisclosed location, most likely Camp David or one of a number of different military golf courses, all of which have been deemed ESSENTIAL and are open for business.
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In other news, the Armed Forces Network has announced that the SHUTDOWN has forced it to cut all sports broadcasts to our men and women serving overseas, with this official announcement:
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. Due to the government shutdown, the Defense Department can only provide limited overseas television, radio, print and web services.
NPR will remain available.
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
Because we default if we can't pay that debt?
In the past couple years, no that wasn't the case. Now that our debt ceiling and spending is out of control, we could potentially default on our debt because our national debt is higher (and climbing) than our GDP. We're not to the point of no return, but if we increase it to the proposed 25 trillion mark, then we'll have some issues. Our good old boy Bill Clinton had it figured out when he was in office. The fact that the US has been downgraded from AAA to AA+ (and soon just AA) is a slap in the face and shows us that the world firmly believes that we don't know what the hell we're doing.
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the fact that the world buys shittons of us debt at ridiculously low interest rates is slightly more meaningful than a rando credit rating.
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idiot trying to talk politics: im going to refer to liberals as libtards, a joke on people who are mentally handicapped
Hate speech like the above does not belong in this thread. We at goEMAW do not refer to the mentally handicapped as **tarded and, besides, they are way smarter than libtards.
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
Just reported that the US has a $23 billion payment to medicare coming up, and a $30 billion payment on national debt interest too. So, the national debt is costing us more than medicare. That seems like a bad thing.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
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We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.
This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.
not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.
It's really not though...
Why do you feel the need for everyone that works hard for a living to pay for people that don't even want to find jobs? I work my ass off in order to do what I want and i'm tired of people freeloading off successful people. This country was built off of hard work and opportunity. Everyone has the opportunity to achieve more and have more success, but they have to work for it. Whether it's a minimum wage job that provides small healthcare or one where you have all the money in the world. The problem with Americans now is that we're lazy and feel like we're entitled to everything and that's just not how it works.
SS,
Just so you know the ACA was put into effect to help middle class families protect their assets and savings too.
If you're not aware of that then I'm not sure you really pick up a newspaper or have a clue about what has or is going on.
It's not the middle class families that i'm worried about. Most of the middle class families aren't even involved in whats going on as many have healthcare plans already. The ACA does not address the underlying issues which cause health care costs to soar, it just papers over those high costs with taxpayer dollars and government imposed mandates on employers. The costs are still there and still going up. All the ACA did was point a gun to everyone's head and force them to buy insurance. Sort of like trying to fix homelessness and high home prices by forcing everyone to buy a home and mortgage.
If you believe everything the paper says all the time, you're just a herded sheep.
I still don't think you understand the full scope of the ACA and the financial risk benefits afforded to everybody insured including you.
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Uh oh, one of the NPS rangers has left the reservation... (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/)
“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
Because we default if we can't pay that debt?
In the past couple years, no that wasn't the case. Now that our debt ceiling and spending is out of control, we could potentially default on our debt because our national debt is higher (and climbing) than our GDP. We're not to the point of no return, but if we increase it to the proposed 25 trillion mark, then we'll have some issues. Our good old boy Bill Clinton had it figured out when he was in office. The fact that the US has been downgraded from AAA to AA+ (and soon just AA) is a slap in the face and shows us that the world firmly believes that we don't know what the hell we're doing.
So basically, we should just give up now and default by not raising the debt ceiling rather than continue on a path that may lead to default later?
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
Sorry, been having too much fun with this whole SHUTDOWN theater. In answer to your question, yes, the deficit has slightly decreased under each year of the Obama admin, but when you first jack up spending to the highest level in history in 2010, it's hard to give the President much credit for then marginally reducing that spending, particularly when he did not do so willingly, but rather was the result of a sequester brought on by the President's inability to corral his own party into proposing a budget that actually reduced spending. The deficit has also been reduced somewhat by record high tax revenues, which are unlikely to continue, and even then the deficit is still nearly $1 trillion. Please stop pretending that this President, or the Dems, are fiscally responsible.
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
Because we default if we can't pay that debt?
In the past couple years, no that wasn't the case. Now that our debt ceiling and spending is out of control, we could potentially default on our debt because our national debt is higher (and climbing) than our GDP. We're not to the point of no return, but if we increase it to the proposed 25 trillion mark, then we'll have some issues. Our good old boy Bill Clinton had it figured out when he was in office. The fact that the US has been downgraded from AAA to AA+ (and soon just AA) is a slap in the face and shows us that the world firmly believes that we don't know what the hell we're doing.
So basically, we should just give up now and default by not raising the debt ceiling rather than continue on a path that may lead to default later?
Holy false-choice, Batman! Do you write speeches for the President?
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MODS:
can we change the word filter so that "libtard" and "libtards" shows up as like "imafuckingbigot" or something like that? would make this thread (and life, i suppose) more enjoyable.
TIA
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Holy false-choice, Batman! Do you write speeches for the President?
I'm honestly just wondering exactly what the consequences of the debt could possibly be that make defaulting this month a viable alternative.
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MODS:
can we change the word filter so that "libtard" and "libtards" shows up as like "imafuckingbigot" or something like that? would make this thread (and life, i suppose) more enjoyable.
TIA
Don't take it personally, TTHOTUC, it's a term of affection.
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So why don't we print like 17 Trillion dollars and just pay it off? I mean we already don't have a gold standard. :dunno:
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the fact that the world buys shittons of us debt at ridiculously low interest rates is slightly more meaningful than a rando credit rating.
federal reserve, tho
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the fact that the world buys shittons of us debt at ridiculously low interest rates is slightly more meaningful than a rando credit rating.
$400 billion of last years budget went to paying interest on the outstanding debt. How is that not meaningful?
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the fact that the world buys shittons of us debt at ridiculously low interest rates is slightly more meaningful than a rando credit rating.
$400 billion of last years budget went to paying interest on the outstanding debt. How is that not meaningful?
Well, obviously, if the debt doesn't matter, we can spend as much money as we want paying interest on that debt. We can always print more. Don't you see how this works?
Being concerned about the interest paid servicing the debt is so 2006, like when Barack Obama was giving speeches as a Senator.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
Um no? In his first term, the debt tally rose $6 billion...which is equal to the amount Bush increased it in his two terms. I don't have his current session to date, but I know that the current debt % to GDP is the highest it's been since WW2. (103%)
Obama's starting debt/GDP was around 85% and as of the end of his first term, it stands at 103%.
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
Because we default if we can't pay that debt?
In the past couple years, no that wasn't the case. Now that our debt ceiling and spending is out of control, we could potentially default on our debt because our national debt is higher (and climbing) than our GDP. We're not to the point of no return, but if we increase it to the proposed 25 trillion mark, then we'll have some issues. Our good old boy Bill Clinton had it figured out when he was in office. The fact that the US has been downgraded from AAA to AA+ (and soon just AA) is a slap in the face and shows us that the world firmly believes that we don't know what the hell we're doing.
So basically, we should just give up now and default by not raising the debt ceiling rather than continue on a path that may lead to default later?
No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
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the fact that the world buys shittons of us debt at ridiculously low interest rates is slightly more meaningful than a rando credit rating.
And when he says "the world" he means the federal reserve and us gubmint. I wonder what unmanipulated interest rates would look like?
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Libtard: Hey! We can't agree on a reasonable budget for the government.
-SHUTDOWN-
Libtard: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING!
...why we elect idiots that can't even balance a budget to government is beyond me
This probably belongs in another thread, but why do you believe the national debt is a bad thing? Is it because we might end up defaulting?
National debt and national spending isn't a bad thing at all. Uncontrolled national debt and uncontrolled spending is.
Because we default if we can't pay that debt?
In the past couple years, no that wasn't the case. Now that our debt ceiling and spending is out of control, we could potentially default on our debt because our national debt is higher (and climbing) than our GDP. We're not to the point of no return, but if we increase it to the proposed 25 trillion mark, then we'll have some issues. Our good old boy Bill Clinton had it figured out when he was in office. The fact that the US has been downgraded from AAA to AA+ (and soon just AA) is a slap in the face and shows us that the world firmly believes that we don't know what the hell we're doing.
So basically, we should just give up now and default by not raising the debt ceiling rather than continue on a path that may lead to default later?
No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
Um no? In his first term, the debt tally rose $6 billion...which is equal to the amount Bush increased it in his two terms. I don't have his current session to date, but I know that the current debt % to GDP is the highest it's been since WW2. (103%)
Obama's starting debt/GDP was around 85% and as of the end of his first term, it stands at 103%.
Sit the next couple out chief.
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
Um no? In his first term, the debt tally rose $6 billion...which is equal to the amount Bush increased it in his two terms. I don't have his current session to date, but I know that the current debt % to GDP is the highest it's been since WW2. (103%)
Obama's starting debt/GDP was around 85% and as of the end of his first term, it stands at 103%.
Sit the next couple out chief.
Well, if you want to argue with facts, feel free...chief
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm (http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm)
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
It really does to have any type of reasonable outcome. I would like to see defense funding cut by about $200 billion, medicare/medicaid by about $100 billion, and tax revenues increased by about $100 billion.
I would also really like the fed to do something about getting inflation back on track. This super-low inflation over the past 10 years really needs to go away.
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
It really does to have any type of reasonable outcome. I would like to see defense funding cut by about $200 billion, medicare/medicaid by about $100 billion, and tax revenues increased by about $100 billion.
I would also really like the fed to do something about getting inflation back on track. This super-low inflation over the past 10 years really needs to go away.
I can get behind the thoughts in these posts. I would like to see the defense budget, Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare seriously looked at. The welfare system is garbage and stupid spending on our government's part. I also won't complain that much if our taxes slightly increased and our plan put in place to have a better budget in order to pay down the national debt and be more efficient overall with our money. Adopting a new budget immediately will absolutely be painful, but completely necessary for the future of our country.
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
It really does to have any type of reasonable outcome. I would like to see defense funding cut by about $200 billion, medicare/medicaid by about $100 billion, and tax revenues increased by about $100 billion.
I would also really like the fed to do something about getting inflation back on track. This super-low inflation over the past 10 years really needs to go away.
I can get behind the thoughts in these posts. I would like to see the defense budget, Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare seriously looked at. The welfare system is garbage and stupid spending on our government's part. I also won't complain that much if our taxes slightly increased and our plan put in place to have a better budget in order to pay down the national debt and be more efficient overall with our money. Adopting a new budget immediately will absolutely be painful, but completely necessary for the future of our country.
I don't think it makes sense to just implement a budget like that immediately, but doing something in small increments over the next 5 years would lessen the tax burden, enable us to simply reduce incentives when recruiting service men and women while honoring our current obligations, and make minor, incremental changes to medicare and medicaid policy. Medicare really needs a death panel, imo. These are public funds, and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a procedure for someone who isn't likely to live more than 2 or 3 more years anyway just doesn't make sense.
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
:thumbsup:
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
It really does to have any type of reasonable outcome. I would like to see defense funding cut by about $200 billion, medicare/medicaid by about $100 billion, and tax revenues increased by about $100 billion.
I would also really like the fed to do something about getting inflation back on track. This super-low inflation over the past 10 years really needs to go away.
I can get behind the thoughts in these posts. I would like to see the defense budget, Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare seriously looked at. The welfare system is garbage and stupid spending on our government's part. I also won't complain that much if our taxes slightly increased and our plan put in place to have a better budget in order to pay down the national debt and be more efficient overall with our money. Adopting a new budget immediately will absolutely be painful, but completely necessary for the future of our country.
I don't think it makes sense to just implement a budget like that immediately, but doing something in small increments over the next 5 years would lessen the tax burden, enable us to simply reduce incentives when recruiting service men and women while honoring our current obligations, and make minor, incremental changes to medicare and medicaid policy. Medicare really needs a death panel, imo. These are public funds, and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a procedure for someone who isn't likely to live more than 2 or 3 more years anyway just doesn't make sense.
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
Um no? In his first term, the debt tally rose $6 billion...which is equal to the amount Bush increased it in his two terms. I don't have his current session to date, but I know that the current debt % to GDP is the highest it's been since WW2. (103%)
Obama's starting debt/GDP was around 85% and as of the end of his first term, it stands at 103%.
Sit the next couple out chief.
Well, if you want to argue with facts, feel free...chief
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm (http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm)
JFC :facepalm:
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You know, if we SHUTDOWN the government for maybe two months each year, we could balance the budget....
shutting down the govt costs money, it doesn't save money. i can't believe i ever thought you were rational.
There was a time when you thought I was rational? :blush: Wasn't the Trayvon Martin thread, was it? Well anyway, it's a start. You'll come around, buddy.
Anyway, you're right, SHUTDOWNs do cost money, at least in some ways. For example, think of all the extra security that has to be hired to enforce petty monument closures just to demonstrate the pain of a SHUTDOWN. I think passing a sensible budget would be a much better way to save money, but golly, Dems just can't seem to propose a budget that would cut spending (I know, that's somehow the Tea Party's fault... :lol:)
Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
:impatient:
Um no? In his first term, the debt tally rose $6 billion...which is equal to the amount Bush increased it in his two terms. I don't have his current session to date, but I know that the current debt % to GDP is the highest it's been since WW2. (103%)
Obama's starting debt/GDP was around 85% and as of the end of his first term, it stands at 103%.
Sit the next couple out chief.
Well, if you want to argue with facts, feel free...chief
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm (http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm)
JFC :facepalm:
Lets hear what you have to say then...go on
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Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
Lets hear what you have to say then...go on
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Defaulting on our debt is like putting china in furlough.
#shutdownchina
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Hasn't the deficit been reduced every year Obama has been in office?
Or are you just wanting the check books to be balanced instantly?
Lets hear what you have to say then...go on
Saying we're going to spend less money (over what we bring in) then still spending more than we bring in isn't a way to solve anything my friend. Regardless, we're on a runaway train unless we stop this.
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
I would be fine with taking steps to get to a balanced budget over a reasonable amt of time. I also agree that there needs to be more fiscally conservative ppl in congress. I really wish many conservatives could make themselves electable on this basis and not mix in the crazy. That is all I want.
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
I would be fine with taking steps to get to a balanced budget over a reasonable amt of time. I also agree that there needs to be more fiscally conservative ppl in congress. I really wish many conservatives could make themselves electable on this basis and not mix in the crazy. That is all I want.
What is the solution, though? No campaign advertisement of any type, even via 3rd parties, and all candidates get to participate in federally funded debates? I'm not saying I necessarily support that, just spit-balling.
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I don't think there is a good solution, let alone on the election side.
Reform should start with term limits though.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVwy3W5IEAA7yRu.jpg:large)
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lol
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lol oh my God that's fantastic
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No, we need to own up right now (every party and affiliation) and mutually agree on a real budget with a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that. Everyone agrees that the government is the most frivolous spender out there, the arguments come from what each party thinks is important money spent or wasteful money spent.
So, raise the debt ceiling with a new budget? I can agree with that. The debt ceiling absolutely has to be raised, though.
Technically speaking, it doesn't. Failing to raise the debt ceiling simply means we can't issue more debt. We have plenty of revenue coming in to meet our current debt servicing obligations. So we wouldn't default on our debt.
Of course, not raising the debt ceiling would essentially require the government to immediately adopt a balanced budget, which would be quite painful initially. The better approach would be to adopt a budget that aggressively reduces the deficit down to a balanced budget over the next few years, but it's virtually impossible in this political climate to accomplish that, particularly when people keep electing liberals. It is not possible to reach a balanced budget or sustain it without significant reduction in spending across the board, and particularly welfare spending. Think Obamacare is bad (well, you don't, but I'm talking figuratively)? It's a puddle compared to Medicare and Medicaid.
I would be fine with taking steps to get to a balanced budget over a reasonable amt of time. I also agree that there needs to be more fiscally conservative ppl in congress. I really wish many conservatives could make themselves electable on this basis and not mix in the crazy. That is all I want.
Hmmm.... Probably could have started with electing Romney/Ryan over another 4 of Obama. These were business guys. Numbers guys. They were serious when it came to fiscal responsibility. The did not focus on social issues. And they lost. So now we've got 4 more years of a liberal president who doesn't give a crap about cutting spending.
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I just can't believe people are still rolling with this "Obama is cutting the deficit" talking point. That is so insanely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that.
every mainstream economist in the world would argue that.
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a plan to reduce the national debt before this gets further off track and we turn into Greece. It's not going to be easy and everyone isn't going to like it, but it has to happen and nobody can argue that.
every mainstream economist in the world would argue that.
Even if this were true, these are the same guys that guided the world into the "great recession"
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
probably knocked about 0.5% off gdp growth. that's the problem with economics, though, there's never a control. or a replicate for that matter.
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
probably knocked about 0.5% off gdp growth. that's the problem with economics, though, there's never a control. or a replicate for that matter.
the mean Republicans caused a depression
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
It causes annual budget cuts to all federal agencies to the tune of a few percent per year. At first, the changes aren't very noticeable, but they build on themselves, and if you have to work with a federal agency on a multi-year project, funding becomes a concern because most of that agency doesn't really know what is going to get cut moving forward. The whole idea sucks because there is no input as to what gets funded and what doesn't. It's just across the board cuts to everything except for the golden geese, like defense and entitlements.
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
It causes annual budget cuts to all federal agencies to the tune of a few percent per year. At first, the changes aren't very noticeable, but they build on themselves, and if you have to work with a federal agency on a multi-year project, funding becomes a concern because most of that agency doesn't really know what is going to get cut moving forward. The whole idea sucks because there is no input as to what gets funded and what doesn't. It's just across the board cuts to everything except for the golden geese, like defense and entitlements.
This is the way its always been and always will be with government contracts.
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
It causes annual budget cuts to all federal agencies to the tune of a few percent per year. At first, the changes aren't very noticeable, but they build on themselves, and if you have to work with a federal agency on a multi-year project, funding becomes a concern because most of that agency doesn't really know what is going to get cut moving forward. The whole idea sucks because there is no input as to what gets funded and what doesn't. It's just across the board cuts to everything except for the golden geese, like defense and entitlements.
This is the way its always been and always will be with government contracts.
Yeah, I'm still pretty young and have much to learn, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't suck. It's a lot of work securing the funding in the first place, and potentially losing it because Congress can't get along just blows. I don't really think we are going to lose any of our projects, but just planning around the uncertainty costs us money, and sys is definitely accurate when he says that this shutdown is a huge net financial loser for the federal agencies involved.
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
It causes annual budget cuts to all federal agencies to the tune of a few percent per year. At first, the changes aren't very noticeable, but they build on themselves, and if you have to work with a federal agency on a multi-year project, funding becomes a concern because most of that agency doesn't really know what is going to get cut moving forward. The whole idea sucks because there is no input as to what gets funded and what doesn't. It's just across the board cuts to everything except for the golden geese, like defense and entitlements.
This is the way its always been and always will be with government contracts.
So let's just keep sequestering it a few clicks every year and we can ween some of the fat out, no?
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
It causes annual budget cuts to all federal agencies to the tune of a few percent per year. At first, the changes aren't very noticeable, but they build on themselves, and if you have to work with a federal agency on a multi-year project, funding becomes a concern because most of that agency doesn't really know what is going to get cut moving forward. The whole idea sucks because there is no input as to what gets funded and what doesn't. It's just across the board cuts to everything except for the golden geese, like defense and entitlements.
This is the way its always been and always will be with government contracts.
So let's just keep sequestering it a few clicks every year and we can ween some of the fat out, no?
The only problem is that we are cutting infrastructure. We already live in a nation where 50% of all bridges are structurally deficient, we have the 7th highest cancer rate in the world, our energy and internet corridors need massive improvement to move forward, etc. It is much better to not fund a program at all than it is to underfund it. Our federal agencies used to develop massive projects like the Hoover Dam and the interstate system. Now, they are relegated to providing subsidized funding on small scale projects, and even the future of that funding is questionable. The problem with sequestration is that it treats all agencies as equally important so they should all face equal cuts without regard to what it is they are actually doing or what obligations they already have moving forward. A system that relied entirely on congressional earmarks would a lot be more efficient, as scary as that sounds.
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sequester was a problem because it cut the budget 9% across the board non negotiable AFTER the fiscal year had already been planned for. now that we are starting a new fiscal years with the sequester known it can be planned for and will not really be as damaging.
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LSOC is on #TeamBID with me it sounds like. Sequester the crap out of everything.
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I don't think there is a good solution, let alone on the election side.
Reform should start with term limits though.
Completely agree.
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Serious question: what did the sequester that was such a big deal cause? Is it still going? I'm insanely lazy so I don't want to do any research.
probably knocked about 0.5% off gdp growth. that's the problem with economics, though, there's never a control. or a replicate for that matter.
the mean Republicans caused a depression
he has the same number of votes as i do. and then people wonder why our govt acts so stupidly.
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sequester was a problem because it cut the budget 9% across the board non negotiable AFTER the fiscal year had already been planned for. now that we are starting a new fiscal years with the sequester known it can be planned for and will not really be as damaging.
Sweet. Let's do it.
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sequester was a problem because it cut the budget 9% across the board non negotiable AFTER the fiscal year had already been planned for. now that we are starting a new fiscal years with the sequester known it can be planned for and will not really be as damaging.
Sweet. Let's do it.
Done.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0
educational.
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It's probably time to move on from this subject, much bigger fish to fry now boys, I just learned there is an NFL team that is using a offensive name.
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As if closing open-air memorials in DC as a prop for the SHUTDOWN weren't petty, vindictive, and nakedly political enough - they're probably employing more security now to keep them closed than if they were open - the government has now attempted to SHUTDOWN Mt. Rushmore.
The problem is, while they can shut off direct access to the tourist center, Mt. Rushmore is big, and they haven't completed a tarp big enough to drape over the whole thing. So, the government has done the next best thing: closed off all the scenic overlooks. Not kidding. 'Cause, you know, we can't have people looking at Mt. Rushmore while the government is SHUTDOWN. Might give people ideas about what real presidents - not a petty little bad person - look like.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV2F_n3CUAA4N4Z.jpg)
I know I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again, but if the media were to cover this nasty behavior with the same zeal that they pursued any of the so-called scandals during the Bush admin, Obama's presidency would be through. There is no question. Instead, it's a mild embarrassment at best. As the security would say at the monument (or along the roadside) "nothing to see here, move along."
What's next? Will Obama divert all border security to screen off the Grand Canyon?
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That's just ridiculous. :lol:
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As if closing open-air memorials in DC as a prop for the SHUTDOWN weren't petty, vindictive, and nakedly political enough - they're probably employing more security now to keep them closed than if they were open - the government has now attempted to SHUTDOWN Mt. Rushmore.
The problem is, while they can shut off direct access to the tourist center, Mt. Rushmore is big, and they haven't completed a tarp big enough to drape over the whole thing. So, the government has done the next best thing: closed off all the scenic overlooks. Not kidding. 'Cause, you know, we can't have people looking at Mt. Rushmore while the government is SHUTDOWN. Might give people ideas about what real presidents - not a petty little bad person - look like.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV2F_n3CUAA4N4Z.jpg)
I know I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again, but if the media were to cover this nasty behavior with the same zeal that they pursued any of the so-called scandals during the Bush admin, Obama's presidency would be through. There is no question. Instead, it's a mild embarrassment at best. As the security would say at the monument (or along the roadside) "nothing to see here, move along."
What's next? Will Obama divert all border security to screen off the Grand Canyon?
No, they're closing the highways.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23595845/2013/10/02/state-highway-through-grand-canyon-to-close
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that president obama sure does know how to reel them in :love:
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K-S-U, do you realize that you sound like a dumb rough ridin' moron?
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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-03/republicans-are-no-longer-the-party-of-business
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
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K-S-U, do you realize that you sound like a dumb rough ridin' moron?
Good response.
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
I don't think anyone thinks that, but good straw man. In fact, the house has, among other things, voted to continue funding the NPS, but the Senate refuses to accept any piecemeal funding because they need an all-or-nothing approach to protect the bloat.
That is all beside the point, however. The point is that the Obama admin is not only "closing" things that don't cost a dime to keep open - like a rough ridin' view - it is actually spending money to close these things, not to mention paying a bunch of extra security to keep monuments closed that could just as easily be open, and for what?
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You seem to contradict yourself a lot.
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
what is the rough ridin' point of a government shutdown if everything the government runs stays open. this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) political theater i've ever seen in my life. shut down rough ridin' everything, then people will actually see how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the republitards are. it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that stupid rough ridin' morons like K-S-U quibble over what should and shouldn't be shut down in a rough ridin' SHUTDOWN. shut the whole rough rider down.
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
what is the rough ridin' point of a government shutdown if everything the government runs stays open. this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) political theater i've ever seen in my life. shut down rough ridin' everything, then people will actually see how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the republitards are. it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that stupid rough ridin' morons like K-S-U quibble over what should and shouldn't be shut down in a rough ridin' SHUTDOWN. shut the whole rough rider down.
I think you are missing the main point here.
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
good lord, michigancat.
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
what is the rough ridin' point of a government shutdown if everything the government runs stays open. this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) political theater i've ever seen in my life. shut down rough ridin' everything, then people will actually see how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the republitards are. it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that stupid rough ridin' morons like K-S-U quibble over what should and shouldn't be shut down in a rough ridin' SHUTDOWN. shut the whole rough rider down.
you should say eff more.
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
what is the rough ridin' point of a government shutdown if everything the government runs stays open. this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) political theater i've ever seen in my life. shut down rough ridin' everything, then people will actually see how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the republitards are. it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that stupid rough ridin' morons like K-S-U quibble over what should and shouldn't be shut down in a rough ridin' SHUTDOWN. shut the whole rough rider down.
Respectfully, you're missing the point, and I'm not sure why. It's very simple. The federal government is, in many cases, spending more resources keeping parks and monuments closed than if they simply remained open. For example, there was absolutely no reason to set down cones closing off scenic overlooks to Mt. Rushmore - that view doesn't cost the government a dime, but they spent money anyway to put the cones down. It was purely punitive. They've evidently done the same thing with roads near the Grand Canyon. Similarly, with the amount of security employed to keep many monuments closed, they could just as easily remain open. The government saves no money with these actions - liberals are simply trying to punish Americans because they're not getting their way. "We own this, and you peasants don't get to see it until you feed us, with no conditions." It is a perfect illustration of the tyranny inherent in big government.
You are correct that even during the SHUTDOWN, a big chunk of the government (I've heard 87%?!) is still open. Your frustration that the SHUTDOWN isn't more painful is somewhat amusing, coming from a liberal who I presume advocates for more government. It is this very "I'll show you" attitude that is causing Obama to pointlessly close down public parks and monuments.
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
I don't think anyone thinks that, but good straw man. In fact, the house has, among other things, voted to continue funding the NPS, but the Senate refuses to accept any piecemeal funding because they need an all-or-nothing approach to protect the bloat.
That is all beside the point, however. The point is that the Obama admin is not only "closing" things that don't cost a dime to keep open - like a rough ridin' view - it is actually spending money to close these things, not to mention paying a bunch of extra security to keep monuments closed that could just as easily be open, and for what?
This whole thing is now a circus being ran by the libtards in order to pass all their "bloat"...shutting down views and highways is asinine and should not be tolerated. The monuments were payed for by the people, for the people...so if I want to drive to bumfuck SD or AZ to look at a monument, I goddamn will.
I've had enough of this crap...
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And now Obama is upping the stakes - taking a swipe at the kiddies. Amber Alert website now shut down (http://washingtonexaminer.com/amber-alert-website-down-due-to-government-shutdown/article/2536887). “Due to the lapse in federal funding, this Office of Justice Programs website is unavailable.”Curious why keeping a website up to protect possibly abducted children wasn't deemed part of the "essential 87%" of government still open. Almost seems like they're trying to scare people! I think it bears repeating at this point that Obama's "executive chef" is still on duty, Camp David is still open, etc.... They're essential, you see. Amber Alert, not so much. The government is SHUTDOWN, people!
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
I don't think anyone thinks that, but good straw man. In fact, the house has, among other things, voted to continue funding the NPS, but the Senate refuses to accept any piecemeal funding because they need an all-or-nothing approach to protect the bloat.
That is all beside the point, however. The point is that the Obama admin is not only "closing" things that don't cost a dime to keep open - like a rough ridin' view - it is actually spending money to close these things, not to mention paying a bunch of extra security to keep monuments closed that could just as easily be open, and for what?
This whole thing is now a circus being ran by the libtards in order to pass all their "bloat"...shutting down views and highways is asinine and should not be tolerated. The monuments were payed for by the people, for the people...so if I want to drive to bumfuck SD or AZ to look at a monument, I goddamn will.
I've had enough of this crap...
everything shut down was paid for by the people
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
I don't think anyone thinks that, but good straw man. In fact, the house has, among other things, voted to continue funding the NPS, but the Senate refuses to accept any piecemeal funding because they need an all-or-nothing approach to protect the bloat.
That is all beside the point, however. The point is that the Obama admin is not only "closing" things that don't cost a dime to keep open - like a rough ridin' view - it is actually spending money to close these things, not to mention paying a bunch of extra security to keep monuments closed that could just as easily be open, and for what?
This whole thing is now a circus being ran by the libtards in order to pass all their "bloat"...shutting down views and highways is asinine and should not be tolerated. The monuments were payed for by the people, for the people...so if I want to drive to bumfuck SD or AZ to look at a monument, I goddamn will.
I've had enough of this crap...
everything shut down was paid for by the people
Yeah, I'm not sure how that matters, but interesting fact: the vast majority of the WWII memorial was paid for with private donations. The government also attempted to close George Washington's home at Mt. Vernon, but that's privately owned, so they had to settle for closing the parking lot instead. Not making this up.
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
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Do people honestly think National Parks maintain themselves?
I don't think anyone thinks that, but good straw man. In fact, the house has, among other things, voted to continue funding the NPS, but the Senate refuses to accept any piecemeal funding because they need an all-or-nothing approach to protect the bloat.
That is all beside the point, however. The point is that the Obama admin is not only "closing" things that don't cost a dime to keep open - like a rough ridin' view - it is actually spending money to close these things, not to mention paying a bunch of extra security to keep monuments closed that could just as easily be open, and for what?
This whole thing is now a circus being ran by the libtards in order to pass all their "bloat"...shutting down views and highways is asinine and should not be tolerated. The monuments were payed for by the people, for the people...so if I want to drive to bumfuck SD or AZ to look at a monument, I goddamn will.
I've had enough of this crap...
everything shut down was paid for by the people
by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth!
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
You actually thought that was funny?
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
You actually thought that was funny?
Right, because the EPA provides our air. Never mind, I've got a weird sense of humor.
Back to the real stuff, the Amber Alert website is down due to the SHUTDOWN, but Michelle Obama's "Let's Move (http://www.letsmove.gov/)" website is still running just fine. We've got to prioritize during these lean times, people! Message to kids: Stay in shape so you can outrun your abductors!
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You actually thought that was funny?
moderate post
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You actually thought that was funny?
moderate post
I really enjoyed the moderate weather this weekend. How about you?
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You actually thought that was funny?
moderate post
I really enjoyed the moderate weather this weekend. How about you?
not too hot, not too cold. october is great, Limestone
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my experience is that if people have to explain their whacky/off beat sense of humor to you, then they don't have a good sense of what is actually funny vs what isn't.
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probably luked but this was about the only one I've lol'd too
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbitsandpieces.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Famericas-closed.jpg&hash=f49dc1572ffba2c0b535ab63558e2e4c18ce63f7)
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
You actually thought that was funny?
Right, because the EPA provides our air. Never mind, I've got a weird sense of humor.
Back to the real stuff, the Amber Alert website is down due to the SHUTDOWN, but Michelle Obama's "Let's Move (http://www.letsmove.gov/)" website is still running just fine. We've got to prioritize during these lean times, people! Message to kids: Stay in shape so you can outrun your abductors!
hahaha...sadly, this isn't far from the truth...
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
You actually thought that was funny?
Right, because the EPA provides our air. Never mind, I've got a weird sense of humor.
Back to the real stuff, the Amber Alert website is down due to the SHUTDOWN, but Michelle Obama's "Let's Move (http://www.letsmove.gov/)" website is still running just fine. We've got to prioritize during these lean times, people! Message to kids: Stay in shape so you can outrun your abductors!
http://www.amberalert.gov/
:dunno:
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
You actually thought that was funny?
Right, because the EPA provides our air. Never mind, I've got a weird sense of humor.
Back to the real stuff, the Amber Alert website is down due to the SHUTDOWN, but Michelle Obama's "Let's Move (http://www.letsmove.gov/)" website is still running just fine. We've got to prioritize during these lean times, people! Message to kids: Stay in shape so you can outrun your abductors!
http://www.amberalert.gov/
:dunno:
They just made it look like it was down
http://www.infowars.com/was-governments-amber-alert-offline-notice-a-fake/
Man, what a circus.
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
what is the rough ridin' point of a government shutdown if everything the government runs stays open. this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) political theater i've ever seen in my life. shut down rough ridin' everything, then people will actually see how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the republitards are. it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that stupid rough ridin' morons like K-S-U quibble over what should and shouldn't be shut down in a rough ridin' SHUTDOWN. shut the whole rough rider down.
Respectfully, you're missing the point, and I'm not sure why. It's very simple. The federal government is, in many cases, spending more resources keeping parks and monuments closed than if they simply remained open. For example, there was absolutely no reason to set down cones closing off scenic overlooks to Mt. Rushmore - that view doesn't cost the government a dime, but they spent money anyway to put the cones down. It was purely punitive. They've evidently done the same thing with roads near the Grand Canyon. Similarly, with the amount of security employed to keep many monuments closed, they could just as easily remain open. The government saves no money with these actions - liberals are simply trying to punish Americans because they're not getting their way. "We own this, and you peasants don't get to see it until you feed us, with no conditions." It is a perfect illustration of the tyranny inherent in big government.
You are correct that even during the SHUTDOWN, a big chunk of the government (I've heard 87%?!) is still open. Your frustration that the SHUTDOWN isn't more painful is somewhat amusing, coming from a liberal who I presume advocates for more government. It is this very "I'll show you" attitude that is causing Obama to pointlessly close down public parks and monuments.
Dude, if you would have read the article about the Grand Canyon you would realize the highways in were shutdown for safety reasons because of the overflow of traffic and shoulder parking. I'm sure that's the case for Rushmore and other attractions.
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Ok, this one's not real, yet, but I thought it was funny: "Due to a SHUTDOWN of 15% of the federal government, including much of the EPA, the American people are now required to hold their breath for 15% of each day. Your compliance is mandatory."
You actually thought that was funny?
Right, because the EPA provides our air. Never mind, I've got a weird sense of humor.
Back to the real stuff, the Amber Alert website is down due to the SHUTDOWN, but Michelle Obama's "Let's Move (http://www.letsmove.gov/)" website is still running just fine. We've got to prioritize during these lean times, people! Message to kids: Stay in shape so you can outrun your abductors!
http://www.amberalert.gov/
:dunno:
They just made it look like it was down
http://www.infowars.com/was-governments-amber-alert-offline-notice-a-fake/
Man, what a circus.
Ha ha. Bet they blame a "rogue employee" or "hacker" next. :lol:
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It does seem like they're using more resources keeping people from enjoying the parks than just keeping them open and staffed as normal.
what is the rough ridin' point of a government shutdown if everything the government runs stays open. this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) political theater i've ever seen in my life. shut down rough ridin' everything, then people will actually see how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the republitards are. it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that stupid rough ridin' morons like K-S-U quibble over what should and shouldn't be shut down in a rough ridin' SHUTDOWN. shut the whole rough rider down.
Respectfully, you're missing the point, and I'm not sure why. It's very simple. The federal government is, in many cases, spending more resources keeping parks and monuments closed than if they simply remained open. For example, there was absolutely no reason to set down cones closing off scenic overlooks to Mt. Rushmore - that view doesn't cost the government a dime, but they spent money anyway to put the cones down. It was purely punitive. They've evidently done the same thing with roads near the Grand Canyon. Similarly, with the amount of security employed to keep many monuments closed, they could just as easily remain open. The government saves no money with these actions - liberals are simply trying to punish Americans because they're not getting their way. "We own this, and you peasants don't get to see it until you feed us, with no conditions." It is a perfect illustration of the tyranny inherent in big government.
You are correct that even during the SHUTDOWN, a big chunk of the government (I've heard 87%?!) is still open. Your frustration that the SHUTDOWN isn't more painful is somewhat amusing, coming from a liberal who I presume advocates for more government. It is this very "I'll show you" attitude that is causing Obama to pointlessly close down public parks and monuments.
Dude, if you would have read the article about the Grand Canyon you would realize the highways in were shutdown for safety reasons because of the overflow of traffic and shoulder parking. I'm sure that's the case for Rushmore and other attractions.
There is not an "eyeroll" emoticon big enough for this statement. How do you do that thing where you blow up the emoticons?
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
No, they would be paying for it themselves or getting fined, just like us.
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
No, they would be paying for it themselves or getting fined, just like us.
Right. Except for the massive subsidies being provided to purchase said policies. "Obamacare" will pay for those, though, so no worries!
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
No, they would be paying for it themselves or getting fined, just like us.
Right. Except for the massive subsidies being provided to purchase said policies. "Obamacare" will pay for those, though, so no worries!
At least they will pay something. How is that not better than the alternative where they just show up at the ER for "charity" care?
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
No, they would be paying for it themselves or getting fined, just like us.
Right. Except for the massive subsidies being provided to purchase said policies. "Obamacare" will pay for those, though, so no worries!
At least they will pay something. How is that not better than the alternative where they just show up at the ER for "charity" care?
Unless Obamacare and legalization causes them to consume more healthcare than they already do (likely), and this then drives up premiums for everyone else, in addition to footing the bill for the subsidies. Yes, adding 15-30 million mostly poor to our already crumbling entitlement system sounds like a marvelous idea!
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
No, they would be paying for it themselves or getting fined, just like us.
Right. Except for the massive subsidies being provided to purchase said policies. "Obamacare" will pay for those, though, so no worries!
At least they will pay something. How is that not better than the alternative where they just show up at the ER for "charity" care?
Unless Obamacare and legalization causes them to consume more healthcare than they already do (likely), and this then drives up premiums for everyone else, in addition to footing the bill for the subsidies. Yes, adding 15-30 million mostly poor to our already crumbling entitlement system sounds like a marvelous idea!
Well, if everyone would just follow my lead and never go to the doctor for any reason (go to the dentist and optometrist of course), then health care costs would be pretty low. I'm not going to get mad about a bunch of hard working people who contribute a great deal to our society getting a method of taking care of themselves that is affordable to them, though.
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Hey guys, were any of you planning on attending tomorrow's "amnesty so we can have Obamacare, too" rally at the National Mall? Don't worry, it will NOT (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908) be impacted by the government SHUTDOWN.
Well, let's hope they get Obamacare so we can stop paying for their trips to the ER.
Right on. Then "Obamacare" will pay for it instead of us! :cheers:
And if Obamacare can pay for everyone's healthcare, can't it pony up a little more to pay off a few trillion of our debt? Come on Obamacare, don't be stingy.
No, they would be paying for it themselves or getting fined, just like us.
Right. Except for the massive subsidies being provided to purchase said policies. "Obamacare" will pay for those, though, so no worries!
At least they will pay something. How is that not better than the alternative where they just show up at the ER for "charity" care?
Unless Obamacare and legalization causes them to consume more healthcare than they already do (likely), and this then drives up premiums for everyone else, in addition to footing the bill for the subsidies. Yes, adding 15-30 million mostly poor to our already crumbling entitlement system sounds like a marvelous idea!
Well, if everyone would just follow my lead and never go to the doctor for any reason (go to the dentist and optometrist of course), then health care costs would be pretty low. I'm not going to get mad about a bunch of hard working people who contribute a great deal to our society getting a method of taking care of themselves that is affordable to them, though.
Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
Exactly, because there's every reason to believe that poor newly legalized immigrants will pay more in taxes than they would draw in entitlements, just like our currently legal citizen poor do. Good plan everyone! This just makes perfect sense.
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
Exactly, because there's every reason to believe that poor newly legalized immigrants will pay more in taxes than they would draw in entitlements, just like our currently legal citizen poor do. Good plan everyone! This just makes perfect sense.
http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/
It appears there is.
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
Exactly, because there's every reason to believe that poor newly legalized immigrants will pay more in taxes than they would draw in entitlements, just like our currently legal citizen poor do. Good plan everyone! This just makes perfect sense.
http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/
It appears there is.
I stopped reading when I got tho this:
.....the mother of all state immigration laws: Arizona’s SB 1070, which made it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.....
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I stopped reading when I got tho this:
.....the mother of all state immigration laws: Arizona’s SB 1070, which made it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.....
:D
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
Exactly, because there's every reason to believe that poor newly legalized immigrants will pay more in taxes than they would draw in entitlements, just like our currently legal citizen poor do. Good plan everyone! This just makes perfect sense.
http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/
It appears there is.
I stopped reading when I got tho this:
.....the mother of all state immigration laws: Arizona’s SB 1070, which made it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.....
Nothing but the facts from Time. Let's all just suspend common sense and believe that putting another 15-30 million poor people on welfare (or rather, even more welfare than they already receive) is a good thing for this country.
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
Exactly, because there's every reason to believe that poor newly legalized immigrants will pay more in taxes than they would draw in entitlements, just like our currently legal citizen poor do. Good plan everyone! This just makes perfect sense.
http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/
It appears there is.
I stopped reading when I got tho this:
.....the mother of all state immigration laws: Arizona’s SB 1070, which made it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.....
Nothing but the facts from Time. Let's all just suspend common sense and believe that putting another 15-30 million poor people on welfare (or rather, even more welfare than they already receive) is a good thing for this country.
Obviously its not...I can't really tell what your full opinion is here sometimes...one post i'll think we're right in line and the next, it's like you went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)...
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Wait, didn't you just say that the ER was even more affordable to them? As in, "free" to them? So let's please not pretend this is about affordability for the illegal immigrants. As you note, to the extent many of them purchase insurance, they may actually pay more under Obamacare. The difference is that we'll also likely pay more, through subsidies and higher premiums, than we already did under the "charity" model.
I really doubt that. We will likely pay more due to people with preexisting conditions getting insurance, but I really don't see how forcing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance will cause my rates to go up. How many illegal immigrants do you know who have paid sick leave?
Hopefully this will landslide into making them pay taxes too...about time to dump off the freeloaders at the border or make them earn their keep.
Exactly, because there's every reason to believe that poor newly legalized immigrants will pay more in taxes than they would draw in entitlements, just like our currently legal citizen poor do. Good plan everyone! This just makes perfect sense.
http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/
It appears there is.
I stopped reading when I got tho this:
.....the mother of all state immigration laws: Arizona’s SB 1070, which made it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.....
Nothing but the facts from Time. Let's all just suspend common sense and believe that putting another 15-30 million poor people on welfare (or rather, even more welfare than they already receive) is a good thing for this country.
Obviously its not...I can't really tell what your full opinion is here sometimes...one post i'll think we're right in line and the next, it's like you went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)...
Nah just sarcasm. Nothing libtarded about me.
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No "recreating"!!! :shakesfist: http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x1442580373/Gestapo-tactics-meet-senior-citizens-at-Yellowstone (http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x1442580373/Gestapo-tactics-meet-senior-citizens-at-Yellowstone)
Vaillancourt took part in a nine-day tour of western parks and sites along with about four dozen senior citizen tourists. One of the highlights of the tour was to be Yellowstone, where they arrived just as the shutdown went into effect.
Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said.
The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.
“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.
The seniors quickly filed back onboard and the bus went to the Old Faithful Inn, the park’s premier lodge located adjacent to the park’s most famous site, Old Faithful geyser. That was as close as they could get to the famous site — barricades were erected around Old Faithful, and the seniors were locked inside the hotel, where armed rangers stayed at the door.
“They looked like Hulk Hogans, armed. They told us you can’t go outside,” she said. “Some of the Asians who were on the tour said, ‘Oh my God, are we under arrest?’ They felt like they were criminals.”
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Details please, details.
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Details please, details.
It was going to be in a National Park.
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Details please, details.
It was going to be in a National Park.
How big is the company? I would probably go anyway. Just tell the park ranger you're there to exercise your first amendment right to protest the government's closure of this park as a political prop. The parks are apparently still open for all "first amendment activities." Just remember that the bathrooms will be closed, so it will strictly "bag in, bag out."
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Details please, details.
It was going to be in a National Park.
How big is the company? I would probably go anyway. Just tell the park ranger you're there to exercise your first amendment right to protest the government's closure of this park as a political prop. The parks are apparently still open for all "first amendment activities." Just remember that the bathrooms will be closed, so it will strictly "bag in, bag out."
psh, i bet rusty works with a bunch of libtard obamabots (except indiana guy).
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That would great idea if I was an obnoxious idiot
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them. Sorry your company can't find a nice gentrified city park to use.
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Have you tried suggesting that they go to one of the millions of parks that aren't effected by the shutdown?
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
I think the Dem counterargument about how "It's all the bloat, or NONE of it" is funnier. But that's just me.
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything. They rejected it to make the shutdown more visible so more people feel it.
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything. They rejected it to make the shutdown more visible so more people feel it.
more people should feel it.
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything.
Why not craft a bill to ensure WIC is funded instead?
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything.
Why not craft a bill to ensure WIC is funded instead?
Isn't WIC still funded, anyway?
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything.
Why not craft a bill to ensure WIC is funded instead?
Isn't WIC still funded, anyway?
Through the end of the month.
http://www.komonews.com/news/health/WIC-receives-30-more-days-of-funding-during-government-shutdown-226377271.html
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything.
Why not craft a bill to ensure WIC is funded instead?
Isn't WIC still funded, anyway?
Through the end of the month.
Surely this crap won't last that long.
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company picnic cancelled because of the shutdown. (seriously.) Thanks, Republicans. :frown:
Well, the House did send a bill to the senate to keep the parks open, so this one is on them.
LOL, this talking point is so hilarious
It was a clean bill, not tied to anything.
Why not craft a bill to ensure WIC is funded instead?
Nice diversion,
If the senate or Obama asked for it and said they would sign, I'm 100% sure they would.
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Just a reminder
“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills.”
“It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers.”
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Just a reminder
“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills.”
“It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers.”
How many fights did we have over the debt ceiling, though?
Stumping and getting on a soap box to pander to your base is one thing, but actually being dumb enough to go through with it is another.
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Just a reminder
“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills.”
“It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers.”
How many fights did we have over the debt ceiling, though?
Stumping and getting on a soap box to pander to your base is one thing, but actually being dumb enough to go through with it is another.
This has been going on for a long time. A lot of good laws have been passed and bad laws repealed this way. Obama has to negotiate in the end.
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The thing about compromise and negotiation is that it requires both sides to actually give up something that they want. There doesn't need to be a compromise because both the republicans and democrats want to raise the debt ceiling. Hell, there are enough republican votes to reopen the government if Boehner would just let them vote.
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I want to make sure that I get this boiled down as simply as possible...
Some believe (i.e. CNN) that there are enough votes out there to pass this thing if we put it on the floor today. However, Boehner says that there aren't enough votes, so he's not even going to put it on the floor unless the President is willing to negotiate. Boehner is most likely unwilling to put it on the floor knowing that it probably would pass (because there are at least 18 Republicans willing to hop the aisle to put an end to this today), and if it did, it would make him and the rest of the House Republicans look stupid.
So, Boehner goes out there yesterday and says that the President is unwilling to negotiate. Once he does, he'll put whatever the negotiate out on the floor. I presume the logic, based on the McConnell/Paul soundbyte, is that they don't want to look like they got nothing out of all of this mess, so he'll press hard to get something.
The President goes out there today and says that if they put the bill on the floor today, and it fails, he'll negotiate.
So, ball seems to be in Boehner's court?
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Just a reminder
“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills.”
“It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers.”
How many fights did we have over the debt ceiling, though?
Stumping and getting on a soap box to pander to your base is one thing, but actually being dumb enough to go through with it is another.
This has been going on for a long time. A lot of good laws have been passed and bad laws repealed this way. Obama has to negotiate in the end.
If Boehner put the bill on the floor, and it didn't pass, then there'd be obvious incentive to negotiate. He could point back to Democrats and say, "See?"
But he won't even do that. I think he's legitimately afraid 17 Republicans would cross the line. CNN says there's 18. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. But I'm guessing it would be close.
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Harry Reid has been doing the same thing guys. It's up to the president in the end. Harry will do whatever the pres wants.
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Harry Reid hasn't been saying "raise taxes on rich people or else we'll destroy the world economy," though. Also Obama is the President, so he can veto at his prerogative. You DO realize there's a difference between controlling this branch of government and not controlling it, right?
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When the house finally passes a clean resolution, it will be a shining example of an absolutely perfect compromise. Both sides will get something that they want, which is the government up and running, while not having to take anything that they don't want.
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Harry Reid has been doing the same thing guys. It's up to the president in the end. Harry will do whatever the pres wants.
Reid is saying that he'll simply shoot down what the House sends if they take shots at further cuts and defunding Obamacare.
Boehner is saying that he won't even start the process until he knows he's going to get what he wants.
So, he's using his power to withhold legislation as a negotiation tactic. Which, fine, you can do, but it's very unattractive, and indicative of why you have a strong number of people who disapprove of House Republicans.
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Harry Reid has been doing the same thing guys. It's up to the president in the end. Harry will do whatever the pres wants.
Reid is saying that he'll simply shoot down what the House sends if they take shots at further cuts and defunding Obamacare.
Boehner is saying that he won't even start the process until he knows he's going to get what he wants.
So, he's using his power to withhold legislation as a negotiation tactic. Which, fine, you can do, but it's very unattractive, and indicative of why you have a strong number of people who disapprove of House Republicans.
Pretty sure the last bill Reid didn't hold a vote on had two points. One, that healthcare for congress not be taxpayer subsidized, and that they delay for one year the mandate for individuals as they did for business. Not that big a deal. I don't think that was too much to ask to keep the gov running.
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The republicans are in no position to make demands, though. They already shut down the government over their Obamabutthurt. The only card they have left to play is to let the nation default on its debts, and that's going to make them look like even bigger losers.
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The republicans are in no position to make demands, though. They already shut down the government over their Obamabutthurt. The only card they have left to play is to let the nation default on its debts, and that's going to make them look like even bigger losers.
'cept the nation won't default on it's debts. We've been over this. Stop spreading the disinformation.
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Pretty sure the last bill Reid didn't hold a vote on had two points. One, that healthcare for congress not be taxpayer subsidized
Good grief, I hope Repbulicans have learned to be more diligent the next time they add smartass amendments to bills.
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House Speaker John Boehner, the leading GOP voice in the impasse, quickly rejected Obama's comments as nothing new.
"What the president said today was if there's unconditional surrender by Republicans, he'll sit down and talk to us," Boehner told reporters. "That's not the way our government works."
lol at the thought of someone in congress informing someone else of the proper way for the govt should function.
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I want to make sure that I get this boiled down as simply as possible...
i think the main reason boehner is trying to avoid a vote for as long as possible is to try and hold the tea party within the republican party.
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If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make. :dunno: seems simple to me
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If spending buys votes, maybe buy less votes
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If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make. :dunno: seems simple to me
it's exactly like running a household. except without mortgages and credit cards.
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If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make. :dunno: seems simple to me
it's exactly like running a household. except without mortgages and credit cards.
I just printed up some bonds to sell to my neighbors because I was a little short on my mortgage payment this month. When it's time to pay interest on those I'll just print more. :driving:
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well, you should have taxed him.
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NPS has rangers and police running 'round the clock patrols to keep people out of the Grand Canyon. It's also a good excuse to further divert border patrol from doing their job.
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Oh man! The real reason for the lack of negotiation....liberal free for all for boarder crossing. Flood the boarder now so they can flood the election booth later!
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I want to make sure that I get this boiled down as simply as possible...
i think the main reason boehner is trying to avoid a vote for as long as possible is to try and hold the tea party within the republican party.
Maybe I underestimate the Tea Party, but if they splintered off, they would essentially be a more destructive version of Ralph Nader for the Republicans. Democrats would have a stranglehold on the Executive, Senate, and then gain a strong majority of the Supreme Court over time.
As it stands now, they're eating the party alive as it is.
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Maybe I underestimate the Tea Party, but if they splintered off, they would essentially be a more destructive version of Ralph Nader for the Republicans. Democrats would have a stranglehold on the Executive, Senate, and then gain a strong majority of the Supreme Court over time.
As it stands now, they're eating the party alive as it is.
bend over to keep them in and you alienate business interests and rational voters, fail to support their insanity and you risk them revolting. i don't see a winning strategy.
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So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?
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So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?
deficit spending helps GDP. Duh, everyone knows that!
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So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?
deficit spending helps GDP. Duh, everyone knows that!
Oh yeah, mainstream economics. Why don't we spend way more, really push GDP to new levels? Maybe Bush can stir up another hurricane to break some stuff for the government to fix.
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So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?
deficit spending helps GDP. Duh, everyone knows that!
Oh yeah, mainstream economics. Why don't we spend way more, really push GDP to new levels? Maybe Bush can stir up another hurricane to break some stuff for the government to fix.
That's what I've always wondered. eff the debt ceiling. Let's just deficit spend our brains out!
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The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all. Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.
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The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all. Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.
And the stock market. As long as we completely flood the crap out of it with cash, resulting in record highs every month or so, then the economy must be booming. We should get rid of term limits and elect BO again in '16!
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Another problem is that not enough capital is being confiscated and redeployed to our most foolish and irresponsible citizens. This is a consumer based economy, don't they get it?
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The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all. Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.
And the stock market. As long as we completely flood the crap out of it with cash, resulting in record highs every month or so, then the economy must be booming. We should get rid of term limits and elect BO again in '16!
now you're talking :love:
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If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make. :dunno: seems simple to me
it's exactly like running a household. except without mortgages and credit cards.
I just printed up some bonds to sell to my neighbors because I was a little short on my mortgage payment this month. When it's time to pay interest on those I'll just print more. :driving:
If I could sell 30 year bonds at less than 4%, I would sell trillions of dollars worth of bonds, too. That is just free money.
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FSD and pike are a dream tag team.
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The number GDP is the only thing the matters, after all. Get that number up and everything is roses and trust funds for everyone.
And the stock market. As long as we completely flood the crap out of it with cash, resulting in record highs every month or so, then the economy must be booming. We should get rid of term limits and elect BO again in '16!
Good point. Now that bush is gone and its no longer a meaningless shadow market where the richest rich people park their cash, it the perfect metric for economic growth. Yepper, the average daily price of 30 corporations is a perfect litmus test.
Also, having the Fed buy 60-80% of bonds at auction will drive interest rates down, which is good because it incentivizes morons into spending more money and forces investors to chase yields in things like stocks and commodities. Foolproof long term economic growth right there.
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FSD and pike are a dream tag team.
Just spit balling some mainstream economics
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If you don't spend more than we take in, you don't have to raise the debt ceiling, and you don't have to make compromises you don't want to make. :dunno: seems simple to me
it's exactly like running a household. except without mortgages and credit cards.
I just printed up some bonds to sell to my neighbors because I was a little short on my mortgage payment this month. When it's time to pay interest on those I'll just print more. :driving:
If I could sell 30 year bonds at less than 4%, I would sell trillions of dollars worth of bonds, too. That is just free money.
There aren't a trillion dollars of 30 bonds to sell you rube
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Maybe I underestimate the Tea Party, but if they splintered off, they would essentially be a more destructive version of Ralph Nader for the Republicans. Democrats would have a stranglehold on the Executive, Senate, and then gain a strong majority of the Supreme Court over time.
As it stands now, they're eating the party alive as it is.
bend over to keep them in and you alienate business interests and rational voters, fail to support their insanity and you risk them revolting. i don't see a winning strategy.
The solution is to not support them and take your lumps in the short term. People will abandon the third party ideals after one or 2 elections when their candidates are seen as crazies that don't show up in debates or get any campaign funding. They would be about as harmful to the republicans as the green party is to the democrats in less than a decade's time. No rational voter is going to continue voting R, at least at the national level, when the tea party is influencing policy.
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well, you should have taxed him.
Pfft, that didn't even cover the lawn maintenance and I had to close my back yard. :Carl:
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recently lots of great/fun ideas ITT
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So, I guess I missed it, but what's the big pushback against curtailing deficit spending?
This is the same issue with voter ID you people have. There is a right time and a wrong time for these laws. The right time is usually when there is a real problem or when it prevents an even bigger problem. You ideological constructs don't allow you to use basic logic so I'll await your rambling response with no real conclusion.
Also in response to the other posts from this point, when did your household debt allow you to control the world economy, interest rates, and a host of other economic issue? Oh thats right the household debt equivalency is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and only used by people who got a C- in econ 101.
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:D :Wha:
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well, you should have taxed him.
Pfft, that didn't even cover the lawn maintenance and I had to close my back yard. :Carl:
sounds like you have too many loopholes and your nominal rates are a sham, my friend.
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More SHUTDOWN theater...
At the illegal immigration rally at the national mall yesterday, 8 Democrat lawmakers staged "arrests" - zip-tie handcuffs and all - so that they could be escorted as martyrs down the street in front of the estimated 20,000 protesters. You know, when it comes to the pure razzle dazzle of politics, Dems have got the GOP beat, hands down.
Actually, I guess this had nothing to do with the SHUTDOWN. The monuments were open to the protestors, so the Dems had to stand in a street blocking traffic in order to get arrested. What was the point of that? Oh right... the whole martyr thing.
The lawmakers, all Democrats, were detained by the Capitol Police after they stood silently in a line in the middle of a street that borders the Capitol lawn, blocking traffic. As the police handcuffed them behind their backs and led them away, a crowd pressed in, chanting, “Let them go!”
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We should set up mobile ID processing kiosks at those things to get over the voter ID hump.
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All 200 Democrats and 19 Republicans support passing a continuing resolution with no additional legislative strings attached that would reopen the federal government, which has been partially closed for a week over a bitter policy dispute between Republicans and Democrats on health care. With three vacancies in 435 member House, 217 votes are currently the minimum needed for the measure to win approval in the House.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/votes-are-there-to-break-shutdown-but-not-the-will/?hpt=hp_t1 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/votes-are-there-to-break-shutdown-but-not-the-will/?hpt=hp_t1)
So, all this is really doing is alienating people from the Republican Party.
When they unleashed the Tea Party into the world, and gave it a platform, they didn't realize that the swell of stupid was so strong that it would come back and bite them in the end.
What a shame.
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All 200 Democrats and 19 Republicans support passing a continuing resolution with no additional legislative strings attached that would reopen the federal government, which has been partially closed for a week over a bitter policy dispute between Republicans and Democrats on health care. With three vacancies in 435 member House, 217 votes are currently the minimum needed for the measure to win approval in the House.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/votes-are-there-to-break-shutdown-but-not-the-will/?hpt=hp_t1 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/votes-are-there-to-break-shutdown-but-not-the-will/?hpt=hp_t1)
So, all this is really doing is alienating people from the Republican Party.
When they unleashed the Tea Party into the world, and gave it a platform, they didn't realize that the swell of stupid was so strong that it would come back and bite them in the end.
What a shame.
As far right as the republicans have gone, the democrats have allowed the wacky left to become mainstream. Don't delude yourself into thinking this is one-sided. The right is trying to catch up.
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the wacky left is not mainstream.
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the wacky left is not mainstream.
Obama - Reid - Pelosi :buh-bye:
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the wacky left is not mainstream.
Obama - Reid - Pelosi :buh-bye:
welp, just lost your moderate status.
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Obama is not a radical left. JFC.
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Obama is not a radical left. JFC.
maybe to the really radical right? :dunno:
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the wacky left is not mainstream.
Obama - Reid - Pelosi :buh-bye:
Obama is very moderate. Reid and Pelosi may belong with the wacky left, but there aren't nearly enough democrats like that to call them mainstream. Of the 232 republicans in the house, only about 17 think it is a good idea to reopen the government. That's just insane.
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Obama is the first radical leftist to also be a radical neo con at the same time. Poli Sci classes will talk about this for centuries.
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Obama is the first radical leftist to also be a radical neo con at the same time. Poli Sci classes will talk about this for centuries.
So he's a radical moderate?
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Obama is the first radical leftist to also be a radical neo con at the same time. Poli Sci classes will talk about this for centuries.
So he's a radical moderate?
just like CFoD.
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
How many presidents have set the income tax at a lower rate than it is right now?
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Obama is not a radical left. JFC.
Dig into some of his quotes from the not to distant past. He is a radical, but their are limits as president.
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
How many presidents have set the income tax at a lower rate than it is right now?
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth?
That's a radically liberal idea? Really?
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
How many presidents have set the income tax at a lower rate than it is right now?
The democrats controlled both the house and the senate when Obama took office. If Obama is as radical as you claim, and the wacky left is as mainstream as you claim, then he should have been able to push through just about anything when he took office.
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Of the 232 republicans in the house, only about 17 think it is a good idea to reopen the government. That's just insane.
it's not accurate though. more than that think it's a good idea, but aren't willing to fall out of step with party leadership, which is still supporting the shutdown for now. and more than that think it's a good idea, but aren't willing to risk giving ammo to a primary challenge from the tea party.
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
How many presidents have set the income tax at a lower rate than it is right now?
The democrats controlled both the house and the senate when Obama took office. If Obama is as radical as you claim, and the wacky left is as mainstream as you claim, then he should have been able to push through just about anything when he took office.
Even the wacky left have the will to survive.
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Of the 232 republicans in the house, only about 17 think it is a good idea to reopen the government. That's just insane.
it's not accurate though. more than that think it's a good idea, but aren't willing to fall out of step with party leadership, which is still supporting the shutdown for now. and more than that think it's a good idea, but aren't willing to risk giving ammo to a primary challenge from the tea party.
Well, being too much of a coward to speak or vote your mind basically makes you as useful as the crazy people you are afraid of pissing off.
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
How many presidents have set the income tax at a lower rate than it is right now?
The democrats controlled both the house and the senate when Obama took office. If Obama is as radical as you claim, and the wacky left is as mainstream as you claim, then he should have been able to push through just about anything when he took office.
Even the wacky left have the will to survive.
lol
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Obama is the first radical leftist to also be a radical neo con at the same time. Poli Sci classes will talk about this for centuries.
So he's a radical moderate?
just like CFoD.
No. Neocons are NOT conservative.
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Obama is the first radical leftist to also be a radical neo con at the same time. Poli Sci classes will talk about this for centuries.
So he's a radical moderate?
just like CFoD.
No. Neocons are NOT conservative.
:dunno:
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Obama is the first radical leftist to also be a radical neo con at the same time. Poli Sci classes will talk about this for centuries.
So he's a radical moderate?
just like CFoD.
No. Neocons are NOT conservative.
:dunno:
neoconmen
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Obama is a radical leftist when he's a civilian, a congressman and during the democratic primaries, and a partisan democrat bad person when he's acting the part of president. He's probably a radical leftist behind closed doors and he'll be a radical leftist when his pathetic presidency is over.
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are batshit crazy and the democrats elected them leaders of the party. So to say the democrats are not beholden to leftist wackos is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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What are obama's most radically liberal policies?
Redistribution of wealth? He's only able to do what he can get away with, just like all elected officials.
How many presidents have set the income tax at a lower rate than it is right now?
The democrats controlled both the house and the senate when Obama took office. If Obama is as radical as you claim, and the wacky left is as mainstream as you claim, then he should have been able to push through just about anything when he took office.
Even the wacky left have the will to survive.
As opposed to the radical right, who is more than satisfied sharing their crazy with the world like a flasher waving his dick around in the middle of the street for all to see.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/park-police_762277.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/park-police_762277.html)
“We are a nation that has a government—not the other way around.”
—Ronald Reagan
The conduct of the National Park Service over the last week might be the biggest scandal of the Obama administration. This is an expansive claim, of course. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the IRS, the NSA, the HHS mandate?—?this is an administration that has not lacked for appalling abuses of power. And we still have three years to go.
Even so, consider the actions of the National Park Service since the government shutdown began. People first noticed what the NPS was up to when the World War II Memorial on the National Mall was “closed.” Just to be clear, the memorial is an open plaza. There is nothing to operate. Sometimes there might be a ranger standing around. But he’s not collecting tickets or opening gates. Putting up barricades and posting guards to “close” the World War II Memorial takes more resources and manpower than “keeping it open.”
The closure of the World War II Memorial was just the start of the Park Service’s partisan assault on the citizenry. There’s a cute little historic site just outside of the capital in McLean, Virginia, called the Claude Moore Colonial Farm. They do historical reenactments, and once upon a time the National Park Service helped run the place. But in 1980, the NPS cut the farm out of its budget. A group of private citizens set up an endowment to take care of the farm’s expenses. Ever since, the site has operated independently through a combination of private donations and volunteer workers.
The Park Service told Claude Moore Colonial Farm to shut down. The farm’s administrators appealed this directive?—?they explained that the Park Service doesn’t actually do anything for the historic site. The folks at the NPS were unmoved. And so, last week, the National Park Service found the scratch to send officers to the park to forcibly remove both volunteer workers and visitors.
Think about that for a minute. The Park Service, which is supposed to serve the public by administering parks, is now in the business of forcing parks they don’t administer to close. As Homer Simpson famously asked, did we lose a war?
We’re not done yet. The parking lot at Mount Vernon was closed by the NPS, too, even though the Park Service does not own Mount Vernon; it just controls access to the parking lots from the George Washington Parkway. At the Vietnam Memorial?—?which is just a wall you walk past?—?the NPS called in police to block access. But the pièce de résistance occurred in South Dakota. The Park Service wasn’t content just to close Mount Rushmore. No, they went the extra mile and put out orange cones to block the little scenic overlook areas on the roads near Mount Rushmore. You know, just to make sure no taxpayers could catch a glimpse of it.
It’s one thing for politicians to play shutdown theater. It’s another thing entirely for a civil bureaucracy entrusted with the privilege of caring for our national heritage to wage war against the citizenry on behalf of a political party.
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more and more right wing states demanding the government bail them out
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/09/231086726/county-in-utah-threatens-takeover-of-national-park-areas
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
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:lol:
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
Some people just don't believe in abortion.
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
Some people just don't believe in abortion.
There are other ways to not have kids than get knocked up and have an abortion.
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
Some people just don't believe in abortion.
There are other ways to not have kids than get knocked up and have an abortion.
Just imagine how great this country would be if no women ever had sex until marriage.
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
Some people just don't believe in abortion.
There are other ways to not have kids than get knocked up and have an abortion.
Just imagine how great this country would be if no women ever had sex until marriage.
You're missing the point here...
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
Some people just don't believe in abortion.
There are other ways to not have kids than get knocked up and have an abortion.
Just imagine how great this country would be if no women ever had sex until marriage.
You're missing the point here...
Obviously the point is that it's important to open scenic overlooks of Mt. Rushmore but not to ensure that poor babies receive formula.
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Being a responsible parent is a thing of the past
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No more WIC in North Carolina.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown-wic_n_4073146.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
"People who really do need help are getting it taken away because Congress can't come to an agreement," the Wilmington resident said, flabbergasted. She spread the word on Facebook and said a "friend" told her in response that she should have gotten an abortion.
wow
that's cons for ya.
Am I the only one in the "If you can't afford kids, don't have them" camp? I mean for Christs sake, don't expect others to fund you having children (medical expenses) and now bitch about how they aren't providing you food for them also...
Where has people's common sense gone??
(Granted my statement is under the assumption is that if they can't afford baby food, they couldn't afford the medical costs either)
Some people just don't believe in abortion.
There are other ways to not have kids than get knocked up and have an abortion.
Just imagine how great this country would be if no women ever had sex until marriage.
You're missing the point here...
Obviously the point is that it's important to open scenic overlooks of Mt. Rushmore but not to ensure that poor babies receive formula.
The point is that we've paid for the scenic overlooks and national parks through this thing called taxes. I'm sorry, but poor babies from crack whore mothers isn't high on my throw away money fund.
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Good grief. Why doesn't someone just run on an anti crack whore ticket and fix this mess?
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a friend of mine gets WIC for a child they adopted from his wifes cousin (because she was in legal trouble for drugs). guess my friend is just a rough ridin' crack whore though, living off the federal teat.
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a friend of mine gets WIC for a child they adopted from his wifes cousin (because she was in legal trouble for drugs). guess my friend is just a rough ridin' crack whore though, living off the federal teat.
Sorry you had to find out this way, Seven.
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Back pay tho
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Woman i know is in her mid 20's and has 2 small children to raise by herself because her husband was killed in a car wreck. She gets wic, though, so she's a rough ridin' crack whore.
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Woman i know is in her mid 20's and has 2 small children to raise by herself because her husband was killed in a car wreck. She gets wic, though, so she's a rough ridin' crack whore.
TELL THAT WHORE I PAID FOR MOUNT RUSHMORE WITH MY TAX DOLLARS
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Woman i know is in her mid 20's and has 2 small children to raise by herself because her husband was killed in a car wreck. She gets wic, though, so she's a rough ridin' crack whore.
TELL THAT WHORE I PAID FOR MOUNT RUSHMORE WITH MY TAX DOLLARS
Those war veterans earned the right to be free! She is suckling at their hard earned teet! rough ridin' crackwhore!
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she should have gotten an abortion.
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a friend of mine gets WIC for a child they adopted from his wifes cousin (because she was in legal trouble for drugs). guess my friend is just a rough ridin' crack whore though, living off the federal teat.
Sorry you had to find out this way, Seven.
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My aunt was beaten by the father of her children and after she legally forced him out of the house she had to use WIC to help feed my cousins..
I always knew her to be a good single parent and successful accountant after that, now that I found out she was a crackwhore I'm not sure I can be comfortable around her during the holidays.
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Lots of vehicles have been broken into around here lately. I never would have guessed it to be Injun's aunt or whatever. :horrorsurprise:
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People that pay their own way plus the way of 5-20 others, are super-awesome good people
People that pay their own way, are good people.
People that require a helping hand up to two periods in their adult life ( periods not to exceed 6 months)
Are kinda meh, they can have their good person status back if they pay the assistance back plus interest
People that don't pay their own way are bad people.
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Yeah, eff people who fall on hard times. You've got 6 months to turn it around, crackwhores
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Falling on hard times can happen to anyone, just be aware it also makes you a bad person
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Falling on hard times can happen to anyone, just be aware it also makes you a bad person
Also, you have to start using crack and being a whore.
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Rationalizing Federal Policy with anecdotes and hearsay is so libtarded.
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People that don't pay their own way are bad people.
kansas doesn't pay it's own way.
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Then it is a bad state, who is the super awesome state that pays for itself in addition to multiple other bad states?
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btw, did even one of you watch the video i linked a couple days ago? it's really very good.
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I think I can say with certainty that Cat27 is a bad person and not one I would enjoy IRL
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By definition i am a super awesome and generous good person, you would really like me fwiw
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Then it is a bad state, who is the super awesome state that pays for itself in addition to multiple other bad states?
in 2005, new jersey was the most super awesome state. you can probably find an updated list if you look.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-spending-received-dollar-taxes-paid-state-2005
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Thanks for the link, after briefly studying it i'm not going to pass any further judgement on states, not that it couldn't easily be done. I am going to stick with my core agenda which is people judging.
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sys is my favorite pit poster.
(sorry john "teach me how to" dougie).
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sys is my favorite pit poster.
(sorry john "teach me how to" dougie).
I understand. Being a moderate and a fiscal conservative isn't easy these days. JFK types are now considered tea partiers. :frown:
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People that pay their own way plus the way of 5-20 others, are super-awesome good people
People that pay their own way, are good people.
People that require a helping hand up to two periods in their adult life ( periods not to exceed 6 months)
Are kinda meh, they can have their good person status back if they pay the assistance back plus interest
People that don't pay their own way are bad people.
I'm in between being a good person and a super-awesome person believe it or not. I have no problem helping people that can truly not help themselves.
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interesting if true article.
In the end, Republicans did not shut down the government for a full repeal of Obamacare. Rather, they furloughed nearly 1 million federal employees, shuttered national parks and brought other core functions of government to a halt, because they couldn't persuade Democrats to agree to a one-year delay in the mandate that Americans buy insurance – or face a $95 fine.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-republican-suicide-machine-20131009?print=true
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also a little interesting.
They want to go in and eff crap up. These non-corporate non-establishmentarian guys—that is exactly what they are doing. And the problem with that is obvious. What next? What happens after you eff crap up?
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115134/republicans-eve-destruction
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interesting if true article.
In the end, Republicans did not shut down the government for a full repeal of Obamacare. Rather, they furloughed nearly 1 million federal employees, shuttered national parks and brought other core functions of government to a halt, because they couldn't persuade Democrats to agree to a one-year delay in the mandate that Americans buy insurance – or face a $95 fine.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-republican-suicide-machine-20131009?print=true
I don't find that quote even slightly interesting.
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People that pay their own way plus the way of 5-20 others, are super-awesome good people
People that pay their own way, are good people.
People that require a helping hand up to two periods in their adult life ( periods not to exceed 6 months)
Are kinda meh, they can have their good person status back if they pay the assistance back plus interest
People that don't pay their own way are bad people.
I'm in between being a good person and a super-awesome person believe it or not. I have no problem helping people that can truly not help themselves.
Do you see these unfortunate types that you graciously help for what they are....bad people?
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Republitards are very bad people.
Also super dumb fwiw.
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I don't judge IQ, but if republicans don't pay their own way they would indeed be bad people.
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I will say that caterogizing people by political views doesn't seem right
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You are a dumb bad person.
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Caterorgizer :shakesfist:
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You started it.
bad person.
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Maybe we don't need the government
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Maybe we don't need the government
I would guess we need about 25% of it. The rest would just be "too difficult" to dump (think of the GDP number :runaway:). We clearly don't don't the part that was sequestered and most of the part that's shut down.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.wwtdd.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FLittle-Kid-Locked-Out-of-the-Zoo.jpg&hash=fee115443f4c268497be6062c8c9d4fa36ab1b12)
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lol
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hope that kid writes his representatives.
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The DC zoo is a pretty great zoo, too. Feel bad for the little guy.
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so did his parents want that photo so bad that they took him there to crush his spirits in exchange for the pic? or were they too busy picking out a hat with ears for the boy to turn on a radio, tv or computer over the preceding week?
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Maybe we don't need the government
I would guess we need about 25% of it. The rest would just be "too difficult" to dump (think of the GDP number :runaway:). We clearly don't don't the part that was sequestered and most of the part that's shut down.
Well, the USDA would be nice.
Also, it is nice to have some people working for free.
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Maybe they heard congress had submitted a clean bill to keep nationalparks open and were surprised to learn the Senate turned it down.
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Just mandate you give one forty hour work week a year, excusable with pay from your private job like jury duty.
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Maybe they heard congress had submitted a clean bill to keep nationalparks open and were surprised to learn the Senate turned it down.
they should put reid's "not gonna happen" on a loop via loudspeaker at the national zoo metro stop to prevent such tragedies in the future.
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Maybe they heard congress had submitted a clean bill to keep nationalparks open and were surprised to learn the Senate turned it down.
:impatient:
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i think we found out who took this picture...
in DC this weekend, did all the monuments/mall today. any recs for more sightseeing tomorrow? smithsonians closed. :frown:
we were up at a basic sheraton in Columbia for a wedding but came down to Arlington tonight. used spg free night at the Le Meridien. place is sweet. I've got my own recumbent bike in here!
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
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Maybe we don't need the government
I would guess we need about 25% of it. The rest would just be "too difficult" to dump (think of the GDP number :runaway:). We clearly don't don't the part that was sequestered and most of the part that's shut down.
Well, the USDA would be nice.
Also, it is nice to have some people working for free.
USDA is ran by biotech companies.
#bid
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
What would the national debt be right now if Obama and congress didn't have a spending limit? 20 trillion? 25 trillion?
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
What would the national debt be right now if Obama and congress didn't have a spending limit? 20 trillion? 25 trillion?
Probably exactly what it is right now.
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Yeah.
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
Why would the debt ceiling be unconstitutional? Do you still believe that raising the debt ceiling is a prerequisite to servicing our debt? I mean, I can't really blame you for being confused, what with all the "default" lies from this administration and media lapdogs.
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
Why would the debt ceiling be unconstitutional? Do you still believe that raising the debt ceiling is a prerequisite to servicing our debt? I mean, I can't really blame you for being confused, what with all the "default" lies from this administration and media lapdogs.
It's an obstacle to servicing our debt and under the 14th amendment, it is unconstitutional to not pay our debt.
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
Why would the debt ceiling be unconstitutional? Do you still believe that raising the debt ceiling is a prerequisite to servicing our debt? I mean, I can't really blame you for being confused, what with all the "default" lies from this administration and media lapdogs.
It's an obstacle to servicing our debt and under the 14th amendment, it is unconstitutional to not pay our debt.
So lets find a plan to start paying it and quit doing this crap every freaking year! There are only two reasons to EVER spend money: Spend money to make money and spend money to save money. We aren't doing either of these things right now. I'm very proud that finally we have people that are fighting raising the debt ceiling and are concerned with turning the ship around instead of burying it further.
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You forgot spend money to get cool stuff
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Maybe we don't need the government
http://6dollarshirts.com/teetime&xid=82e2cc163eb550ac3095d3df9c8422d7
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Heard today that there will be no deal and that BO will be forced to use executive powers to fund the gov and then the house will impeach.
Hopefully this happens. I really don't think the Supreme Court would rule that the debt ceiling is even constitutional, and it would really be nice to see that challenged so we can stop going through all of this garbage every year.
Why would the debt ceiling be unconstitutional? Do you still believe that raising the debt ceiling is a prerequisite to servicing our debt? I mean, I can't really blame you for being confused, what with all the "default" lies from this administration and media lapdogs.
It's an obstacle to servicing our debt and under the 14th amendment, it is unconstitutional to not pay our debt.
Except that the debt ceiling is not an obstacle to servicing our debt.
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Maybe we don't need the government
http://6dollarshirts.com/teetime&xid=82e2cc163eb550ac3095d3df9c8422d7
:lol:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoS52fVtVQM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoS52fVtVQM) :lol:
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The ShutDown of 2014 is over, guises! It's over!
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The ShutDown of 2014 is over, guises! It's over!
Doesn't the House still have to agree to the Senate's deal?
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The ShutDown of 2014 is over, guises! It's over!
Doesn't the House still have to agree to the Senate's deal?
yes, but everyone involved seems to think it will pass
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The ShutDown of 2014 is over, guises! It's over!
Doesn't the House still have to agree to the Senate's deal?
yes, but everyone involved seems to think it will pass
Have they announced what the deal is? What did the republicans win?
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The ShutDown of 2014 is over, guises! It's over!
Doesn't the House still have to agree to the Senate's deal?
yes, but everyone involved seems to think it will pass
Have they announced what the deal is? What did the republicans win?
Affordable healthcare
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I want to watch the House vote. This is going to be entertaining. If they somehow screw up like the did in 2008 over TARP, the market will tank and we'll all lose our jobs!
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So all this and the GOP couldn't kill ACA?
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Thing on CNN a couple hours ago said that the Senate bill would raise debt ceiling to Feb 7th and reopen govt Jan 15th. That can't be right, right? I mean, the Feb 7th thing should give time to actually accomplish a budget if everyone can stop being Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but the Jan 15th number is full of WTF.
Nvm, it has since been edited to say the govt will be funded through Jan 15th.
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Thing on CNN a couple hours ago said that the Senate bill would raise debt ceiling to Feb 7th and reopen govt Jan 15th. That can't be right, right? I mean, the Feb 7th thing should give time to actually accomplish a budget if everyone can stop being Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but the Jan 15th number is full of WTF.
Nvm, it has since been edited to say the govt will be funded through Jan 15th.
Yeah. The government is going to shut down again on Jan 15 and then reopen on Feb 7 with nothing accomplished.
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Apparently this guy thinks it was worth it just to have the fight.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/16/gop-rep-says-shutdown-was-worth-having-the-fight/
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Apparently this guy thinks it was worth it just to have the fight.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/16/gop-rep-says-shutdown-was-worth-having-the-fight/
well, it was.
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Apparently this guy thinks it was worth it just to have the fight.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/16/gop-rep-says-shutdown-was-worth-having-the-fight/
lol
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Those alienated voters! :love:
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i dunno if watching conservative talkingpointers try to spin this debacle is worth my share of 24 billion, but i don't know that it isn't either.
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i dunno if watching conservative talkingpointers try to spin this debacle is worth my share of 24 billion, but i don't know that it isn't either.
What's the 24 billion?
Someone's gonna have to summarize the deal for me.
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it may have been 28 billion, i wasn't paying close attention.
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it may have been 28 billion, i wasn't paying close attention.
I have no idea what either number references
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i dunno if watching conservative talkingpointers try to spin this debacle is worth my share of 24 billion, but i don't know that it isn't either.
If it causes the right to reject some extremism and come back towards the middle, it's probably worth it.
I'm not holding my breath, though.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/10/16/ac-explaining-the-budget-battle.cnn.html (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/10/16/ac-explaining-the-budget-battle.cnn.html)
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Our man Mitch bringing home the bacon. :rolleyes:
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I guess the fun is over. Nothing left to do except gloat for the goEmawLibTards.
.... Until we do this again in January.
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it may have been 28 billion, i wasn't paying close attention.
I have no idea what either number references
It was 24 and it refers to what S&P estimated was lost in the US economy due to the shutdown.
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At least some good came from the shutdown.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/)
It's just a shame that some of these leaders don't have the ability to get worthy projects funded without tying them to a bill to reopen the government.
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At least some good came from the shutdown.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/)
It's just a shame that some of these leaders don't have the ability to get worthy projects funded without tying them to a bill to reopen the government.
Thanks Nuts Luked. Nothing new to see here. Obama buys enough votes for another win.
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At least some good came from the shutdown.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/)
It's just a shame that some of these leaders don't have the ability to get worthy projects funded without tying them to a bill to reopen the government.
Thanks Nuts Luked. Nothing new to see here. Obama buys enough votes for another win.
I don't disagree with any of those projects being funded. The extended pay for the widow seems over the top, but apparently they do the same thing for everyone else, so nbd. It's just sad that McConnell couldn't find a way to get it done without holding the US economy hostage. It shouldn't be hard to find billions of dollars for projects vital to the country.
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At least some good came from the shutdown.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/)
It's just a shame that some of these leaders don't have the ability to get worthy projects funded without tying them to a bill to reopen the government.
Thanks Nuts Luked. Nothing new to see here. Obama buys enough votes for another win.
I don't disagree with any of those projects being funded. The extended pay for the widow seems over the top, but apparently they do the same thing for everyone else, so nbd. It's just sad that McConnell couldn't find a way to get it done without holding the US economy hostage. It shouldn't be hard to find billions of dollars for projects vital to the country.
Lautenburg (sp?) was one of the wealthiest members of congress worth $59 million. It was a joke.
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At least some good came from the shutdown.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/)
It's just a shame that some of these leaders don't have the ability to get worthy projects funded without tying them to a bill to reopen the government.
Thanks Nuts Luked. Nothing new to see here. Obama buys enough votes for another win.
I don't disagree with any of those projects being funded. The extended pay for the widow seems over the top, but apparently they do the same thing for everyone else, so nbd. It's just sad that McConnell couldn't find a way to get it done without holding the US economy hostage. It shouldn't be hard to find billions of dollars for projects vital to the country.
Lautenburg (sp?) was one of the wealthiest members of congress worth $59 million. It was a joke.
If everyone else's wife gets the benefit, his wife should to. They should really consider changing their policy, though, as I don't really think death benefits are necessary for any of them.
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it may have been 28 billion, i wasn't paying close attention.
I have no idea what either number references
It was 24 and it refers to what S&P estimated was lost in the US economy due to the shutdown.
That's equal to about 1 day of obamacare. Fascinating.
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So it was the president's government shutdown. :curse:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-mandate-may-be-delayed-2013-10-23?link=MW_home_latest_news (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-mandate-may-be-delayed-2013-10-23?link=MW_home_latest_news)