The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread

[DaBigTrain]

I think the climate seems normal, nothing going on here, nothing at all. -Dax-FSD

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/11/climate/arctic-warming.amp.html

[8manpick]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1061367825724522497?s=20

Old tweet, but good point

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

A scientist is part of what the Polish philosopher of science Ludwik Fleck called a “thought collective”: a group of people exchanging ideas in a mutually comprehensible idiom. The group, suggested Fleck, inevitably develops a mind of its own, as the individuals in it converge on a way of communicating, thinking and feeling.

This makes scientific inquiry prone to the eternal rules of human social life: deference to the charismatic, herding towards majority opinion, punishment for deviance, and intense discomfort with admitting to error. Of course, such tendencies are precisely what the scientific method was invented to correct for, and over the long run, it does a good job of it.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-sugar-conspiracy

[sys]

https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1083594428814712832

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1083594428814712832

SysWhack-A-Doo . . . has science and technology changed any over the last 137 years?

[star seed 7]

Yikes, very informative sys

[ChiComCat]

No, science and technology have not changed over 137 years.

[sonofdaxjones]

https://www.pv-tech.org/news/china-putting-major-breaks-on-solar-deployment-as-new-market-rules-imposed

But everybody else, sign up for that Paris thing and . . . eff off! (China)

[bucket]

https://www.pv-tech.org/news/china-putting-major-breaks-on-solar-deployment-as-new-market-rules-imposed

But everybody else, sign up for that Paris thing and . . . eff off! (China)

Dax, the article you posted is from June of last year. The below link, China reveals new subsidy-free solar and wind policy, is from yesterday and from the same website.

https://www.pv-tech.org/news/china-reveals-new-subsidy-free-solar-and-wind-policy

I miss you

[sonofdaxjones]

China also just said that all non fossil fuel investment must meet a mandate of being cheaper than coal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/06/05/why-did-china-tap-the-brakes-on-its-solar-program/amp/

[bucket]

Are you like one of those AI twitter handles?

[DaBigTrain]

https://www.pv-tech.org/news/china-putting-major-breaks-on-solar-deployment-as-new-market-rules-imposed

But everybody else, sign up for that Paris thing and . . . eff off! (China)

Dax, the article you posted is from June of last year. The below link, China reveals new subsidy-free solar and wind policy, is from yesterday and from the same website.

https://www.pv-tech.org/news/china-reveals-new-subsidy-free-solar-and-wind-policy

I miss you

See here’s the thing, we don’t know the optimal amount of years old an article should be.  As long as it fits the “this is all a hoax” agenda it’s fair game.

[sonofdaxjones]

The adults are talking here The Big Tuck, run along. 

[DaBigTrain]

Here you go Dax, even the climate change deniers are publishing articles about climate change being real.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/antarctic-ice-is-melting-six-times-faster-than-it-did-in-the-1980s-and-could-destabilize-glaciers

[sonofdaxjones]

  Sure thing The Big Tuck.   Have they recently discovered substantially higher volcanic activity under the Antarctic, many times greater than what was known before?   

In other news, 1,500 or so private jets descending on the DAVOS conference, guzzling millions of gallons fossil fuels and spewing tons of carbon into the atmosphere.   While there, their many luxury vehicles will guzzle additional tens of thousands of gallons of fossil fuels, and their luxury accommodations require massive amounts of energy, almost exclusively carbon based in order to provide power and warmth.   Not to mention the agriculture onslaught of carbon needed to provide the many thousands of luxury meals featuring some of the most carbon intensive food products known to the world today. 

One of the primary topics . . . man made climate change. 

[treysolid]

Sure thing The Big Tuck.   Have they recently discovered substantially higher volcanic activity under the Antarctic, many times greater than what was known before?   

In other news, 1,500 or so private jets descending on the DAVOS conference, guzzling millions of gallons fossil fuels and spewing tons of carbon into the atmosphere.   While there, their many luxury vehicles will guzzle additional tens of thousands of gallons of fossil fuels, and their luxury accommodations require massive amounts of energy, almost exclusively carbon based in order to provide power and warmth.   Not to mention the agriculture onslaught of carbon needed to provide the many thousands of luxury meals featuring some of the most carbon intensive food products known to the world today. 

One of the primary topics . . . man made climate change.

What makes you believe that the vast majority of people going to the WEF represent or speak on behalf of people who *actually* care about the environment?

[treysolid]

it's a lovely little hypocrisy strawman that you've made

[sonofdaxjones]

Gee trey, I just re-read what I posted and no where in there did I say any of the attendees spoke for anyone.

But a simple cursory review of the attendee list shows a number of people who have told us that we're all gonna die (except them) if we don't quit using fossil fuels, for example - David Attenborough.

[treysolid]

Gee trey, I just re-read what I posted and no where in there did I say any of the attendees spoke for anyone.

But a simple cursory review of the attendee list shows a number of people who have told us that we're all gonna die (except them) if we don't quit using fossil fuels, for example - David Attenborough.

Can you please confirm for me that David Attenborough is chartering a private jet to Davos? Thank you.

[sonofdaxjones]

Gee trey, I just re-read what I posted and no where in there did I say any of the attendees spoke for anyone.

But a simple cursory review of the attendee list shows a number of people who have told us that we're all gonna die (except them) if we don't quit using fossil fuels, for example - David Attenborough.

Can you please confirm for me that David Attenborough is chartering a private jet to Davos? Thank you.

No I cannot, but he has no problem sharing his (undoubtedly) extremely profound and cutting edge ideas with those that did . . .

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/1500-private-jets-expected-at-davos-despite-global-warming-being-a-major-concern-2019-01-22

But they are "encouraged" to take offsetting measures, ya see . . .

https://www.france24.com/en/20190122-never-mind-climate-change-davos-prefers-private-jets

[sys]

sorry insane republicans.  in 5 years this one is gonna be about where gay marriage is today.

https://twitter.com/maxjrosenthal/status/1087830096470249472

[bucket]

sorry insane republicans.  in 5 years this one is gonna be about where gay marriage is today.

https://twitter.com/maxjrosenthal/status/1087830096470249472

Republicans secretly know climate change is real. They're just hoping rising sea levels will wipe out the Dems.

[sonofdaxjones]

Useful idiots are easily propagandized.

How telling pictures of the California Fires . . . just two years ago Cali media was running articles about how the drought were caused by El/La Nino/a cycles, then came the articles talking about the region has historically (that's Earth history, not climate alarmist "history") had experienced droughts that lasted decades, even centuries.   But two years later, that just doesn't fit the narrative anymore.

[DaBigTrain]

[sonofdaxjones]

Speaking of useful idiots