The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread

[Spracne]

The airline exhaust argument always puzzles me. Sure, they produce a lot of emissions, but what's the alternative? No one ever go anywhere?

[chum1]

I do like this graphic, though.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1090373564837122058

[chum1]

Also, rough ridin' lol

https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1090599769079189504

[sonofdaxjones]

The airline exhaust argument always puzzles me. Sure, they produce a lot of emissions, but what's the alternative? No one ever go anywhere?

FFS Spracs

[Spracne]

The airline exhaust argument always puzzles me. Sure, they produce a lot of emissions, but what's the alternative? No one ever go anywhere?

FFS Spracs

I'm always open to having my mind changed. Make the case.

[treysolid]

I think Dax is making the case that all business executives should fly commercial and I stand 100% with him

[sonofdaxjones]

Elon can consume all the fossil fuels he wants.   

Just don’t think and say crap like this:

“We know we’ll run out of dead dinosaurs to mine for fuel & have to use sustainable energy eventually. So why not go renewable now & avoid increasing risk of climate catastrophe?” - on the same day his jet flew over Mexico for a personal trip.

[Spracne]

Are you saying he shouldn't fly unless/until he invents an electric airplane?

[treysolid]

I'd say Elon is putting his talents to use on the largest problem areas considering that 83% of transport-related emissions are produced by cars and trucks while aircraft account for only 9%.

Also, electrified airplanes won't ever be feasible without HUGE advances in battery and material technology.

[sys]

spracne, dax is to perceived hypocrisy as you are to puns.  a man cannot turn from whence the siren song summons him

[sonofdaxjones]

The return to carbon neutral on electric cars is still huge.  Battery production is still horrific for the environment and a massive consumer of natural resources. 

[sonofdaxjones]

spracne, dax is to perceived hypocrisy as you are to puns.  a man cannot turn from whence the siren song summons him

It’s not perceived sysWhack-a-Doo, the numbers speak for themselves, dumbass.

[treysolid]

The mining of most of the heavy metals used in ICs is also horrific but I don't see you on a campaign to stop using computers. You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

[treysolid]

spracne, dax is to perceived hypocrisy as you are to puns.  a man cannot turn from whence the siren song summons him

It’s not perceived sysWhack-a-Doo, the numbers speak for themselves, dumbass.

Umm, I don't want to be perceived as having a hard-on for the truth or anything, but I'm the only person ITT at the moment producing any numbers. TYVM.

[sys]

You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

a coincidence.

[sonofdaxjones]

The mining of most of the heavy metals used in ICs is also horrific but I don't see you on a campaign to stop using computers. You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Because there’s better ways than electric cars.   

Do they talk about the “dead earth” around IC production facilities like they do about battery production facilities?

Don’t worry bro, more layoffs at Tesla.  Somebody better will come along.

[Spracne]

If you want to point out that renewables are not yet cheap/efficient enough to transition away from fossil fuels, I agree. That doesn't mean we should be hostile towards trying to get them to that point, though. It needs to happen, eventually.

[sonofdaxjones]

You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

a coincidence.

Always wrong SysWhackadoo, but you keep trying.

SysWhackadoo:  A proud proponent of destroying the planet on the road to try and “save” it

[treysolid]

The mining of most of the heavy metals used in ICs is also horrific but I don't see you on a campaign to stop using computers. You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Because there’s better ways than electric cars.   

I'm ALL ears...

[sonofdaxjones]

If you want to point out that renewables are not yet cheap/efficient enough to transition away from fossil fuels, I agree. That doesn't mean we should be hostile towards trying to get them to that point, though. It needs to happen, eventually.

You are trying hard, I’ll give you that.

[Spracne]

If you want to point out that renewables are not yet cheap/efficient enough to transition away from fossil fuels, I agree. That doesn't mean we should be hostile towards trying to get them to that point, though. It needs to happen, eventually.

You are trying hard, I’ll give you that.

??? Look, I appreciate you bringing balance to the force around here. You serve an important function. But if you disagree with what I said, point out your specific objections, and maybe we can all learn something, together.

[sonofdaxjones]

The mining of most of the heavy metals used in ICs is also horrific but I don't see you on a campaign to stop using computers. You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Because there’s better ways than electric cars.   

I'm ALL ears...

Don’t worry Trey, while your still fapping it out over electric cars, the Chinese will control the fuel cell vehicle market. 

[treysolid]

The mining of most of the heavy metals used in ICs is also horrific but I don't see you on a campaign to stop using computers. You seem to only have a stick in your ass about the one technology that can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Because there’s better ways than electric cars.   

I'm ALL ears...

Don’t worry Trey, while your still fapping it out over electric cars, the Chinese will control the fuel cell vehicle market.

Great, I love fuel cells - what we talking about here? Hydrogen? Methanol? Solid oxide? Give me some specs, man.

[Spracne]

Also, Elon saying "avoid increasing the risk of" climate change doesn't exactly hit my ears as the words of a zealot. That's a pretty muted statement.

[sonofdaxjones]

If you want to point out that renewables are not yet cheap/efficient enough to transition away from fossil fuels, I agree. That doesn't mean we should be hostile towards trying to get them to that point, though. It needs to happen, eventually.

You are trying hard, I’ll give you that.

??? Look, I appreciate you bringing balance to the force around here. You serve an important function. But if you disagree with what I said, point out your specific objections, and maybe we can all learn something, together.

Further subsidization of electric vehicles or US based companies pursuing that path outside the special use segment is a fools errand. 

The market is going to shift to FCV/NFV (new fuel vehicles) and the US needs to get ahead of the curve.

The Chines govt is ending subsidies for EV but continuing subsidies for FCV because that’s where they are headed.  Hyundai is working on more FCV as well.