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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1925 on: May 17, 2013, 10:06:44 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1926 on: May 17, 2013, 10:29:10 AM »
i never figured out why anti-welfare people are also anti-abortion.  kind of a conflict of interest.

not to mention anti-contraception
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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1927 on: May 17, 2013, 10:49:12 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1928 on: May 17, 2013, 11:11:56 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1929 on: May 17, 2013, 11:13:42 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

Step 1:  enforce the laws we already have on the books.  Something like 70% of states don't report their felony convictions/retraining orders to the federal database, despite being dangled money in front of them to become compliant.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1930 on: May 17, 2013, 11:14:26 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

Step 1:  enforce the laws we already have on the books.  Something like 70% of states don't report their felony convictions/retraining orders to the federal database, despite being dangled money in front of them to become compliant.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1931 on: May 17, 2013, 11:16:59 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

I'm not worried about gun shows - I think ALL SALES of guns should have to be reported and require a background check. There are tons of crimes involving legally purchased guns that were sold or made their way to criminals.

I also think background checks should be more thorough and universal.

Step 1:  enforce the laws we already have on the books.  Something like 70% of states don't report their felony convictions/retraining orders to the federal database, despite being dangled money in front of them to become compliant.

Enforce the "don't kill babies after they are born" law seems to need enforcing as well.

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1932 on: May 17, 2013, 11:23:17 AM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect. 

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1933 on: May 17, 2013, 11:26:53 AM »
Guy in the office is staunchly anti-any further gut laws. 

Although he is all for background checks. 

Doesn't like registry though because it creates a list of who has guns.

Got really pissed when I told him that the list of ppl that got background'ed would be the same list.

Boom! logic ruined another day.

Also, he is still very concerned about having to over throw our govt one day(that day being the one they demand his gun) and told me that it could happen and that basically the same thing happened in Egypt. 

Pretty hardcore doubledown if you ask me.

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1934 on: May 17, 2013, 12:55:47 PM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.
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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1935 on: May 17, 2013, 02:38:51 PM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.

There it is finally, we have a winner.  The old criminals won't follow the gun control laws so why have them. By that logic why do we have any laws at all if the criminals are just going to break them and all we are doing is punishing law abiding citizens

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1936 on: May 17, 2013, 02:41:09 PM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.

There it is finally, we have a winner.  The old criminals won't follow the gun control laws so why have them. By that logic why do we have any laws at all if the criminals are just going to break them and all we are doing is punishing law abiding citizens

We have laws so that we can punish the people that break them, dumbass.  If everything was legal there'd be no justification for putting in jail someone that did wrong. 

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1937 on: May 17, 2013, 02:42:37 PM »
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let felons have guns either, retards.

Background checks, like the one this doctor went through with the board of medical examiners to get his license, sure proved failsafe, idiots.

Clearly the only solution is to ban all abortions. Children's lives are at stake.


The apathy and cynism from the goE left is simply appalling.  I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach.  What a disgusting slice of humanity.  I wonder if the mods will slap "baby killing Nazi" under their monikers.

oh, I'm sure crazy assholes would still get their hands on guns if we required background checks and licenses for ownership. But fewer crazy assholes would get them, ya know?

I've heard this argument before, but do you have anything to back it up? First, we already do require background checks and licenses for most gun ownership. As for the loopholes like gun shows, can you point to an example of someone who committed a crime with a gun purchased in that manner?

Parody post? Funny that you mention that most guns are purchased with background checks and licenses AND then reference gun shows seeing as gun show sales require neither and are a major source of gun ownership in the US.

There are only 9 states with permit-to-purchase laws on the books right now and those are only for handguns. There are 4 states that require a background check and permit on all gun purchases. Your entire statement is incorrect.

Not parody, though I could be wrong. I'm not going to profess to be an expert on gun control, as I don't even own a gun. It was my understanding that if you buy a gun (whether that's a handgun, rifle, whatever) from a store, you have to undergo a standard federal background check, and some states also have their own checks. That law doesn't apply to private sales, such as gun shows, which is why I asked my question above (which I think you misread).

I guess the more fundamental question is this: how is requiring background checks for private gun sales going to result in anything more than a bunch of new hassles and fees for law abiding citizens? The criminals are going to break the law anyway, so ignore them. Can you give me some example of a crime that would have been prevented, i.e., where a law abiding citizen sold a gun to someone who went on to commit a crime with said gun?

Just for example, let's look at the last few crazy shootings that come to mind:
- Newtown: Adam Lanza took the guns from his mom, right?
- Aurora: James Holmes bought his guns and was subjected to background checks at the point of sale, which he passed, right?
- Gabby Giffords: Same as above. Jared Loughner passed the background check, right?

So tell me how adding more background checks is going to help.

There it is finally, we have a winner.  The old criminals won't follow the gun control laws so why have them. By that logic why do we have any laws at all if the criminals are just going to break them and all we are doing is punishing law abiding citizens

We have laws so that we can punish the people that break them, dumbass.  If everything was legal there'd be no justification for putting in jail someone that did wrong.

Thank you Emo, I know that is the purpose of laws.  You obviously didn't understand that I was being facetious.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1938 on: May 17, 2013, 02:54:58 PM »
I did understand but what's the point of being facetious while failing to make a point? 

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1939 on: May 17, 2013, 02:57:06 PM »
I did understand but what's the point of being facetious while failing to make a point?

Valid. The point is that many argue we shouldn't have gun control laws because criminals won't follow said laws and will get guns anyway, which is flawed logic and a flawed talking point.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1940 on: May 17, 2013, 02:58:33 PM »
Well I think their point is that gun control laws are unnecessary/redundant because it's already illegal to kill or assault someone, gun or no gun. 

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1941 on: May 17, 2013, 03:18:22 PM »
Well K-S-U has talked about abortion laws and the doctors who perform late term abortions leading to there needing to be a change in abortion law. So the hypocrisy between his two positions fascinates me, since late term abortions are already illegal.  It really is more of an enforcement issue.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1942 on: May 17, 2013, 03:24:47 PM »
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

I think I'm starting to understand that to get one iota of change out of the opposition you have to be all crazy and extreme and hope for a compromise.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1943 on: May 17, 2013, 03:26:49 PM »
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

I think I'm starting to understand that to get one iota of change out of the opposition you have to be all crazy and extreme and hope for a compromise.

Yes but then other people start getting crazy and extreme and no compromise happens.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1944 on: May 17, 2013, 03:30:01 PM »
yeah, if there's one thing the far right has done to help its cause the last five years it's get crazy and extreme

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1945 on: May 17, 2013, 03:37:48 PM »
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1946 on: May 17, 2013, 03:39:32 PM »
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1947 on: May 17, 2013, 03:41:02 PM »
If there is one thing the market likes, it seems to be crazy and extreme.....and deadlock.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1948 on: May 17, 2013, 04:02:33 PM »
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.

How much of the president's cabinet is elected?  :sdeek:

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1949 on: May 17, 2013, 04:06:16 PM »
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.

How much of the president's cabinet is elected?  :sdeek:

muslim brotherhood, run!!   :runaway:
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