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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1950 on: May 17, 2013, 04:21:06 PM »
Well I think we're in a state of deadlocked crazy and extreme from both sides of a lot of stuff.

only a crazy neocon would think that the elected left in this country is all that extreme.

How much of the president's cabinet is elected?  :sdeek:

In the past, cabinet confirmations have been pretty easy in most cases.  There was an unwritten rule that if you get the presidency, you should have the right to choose your advisors.  I think the president having to do recess appointments is due to the opposite party you think it is.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1951 on: May 17, 2013, 04:32:17 PM »
I don't think the elected right at a national level is all that extreme overall. They are kind of hard-headed assholes, but I don't think all that many are extreme. Yeah you'll have SD's bro from Kansas and a few other whackos but for the most part the gap between left and right ideology in Washington is very, very small.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1952 on: May 17, 2013, 04:39:38 PM »
I don't think the elected right at a national level is all that extreme overall. They are kind of hard-headed assholes, but I don't think all that many are extreme. Yeah you'll have SD's bro from Kansas and a few other whackos but for the most part the gap between left and right ideology in Washington is very, very small.

This is more true in the Senate than the House. The House is where the crazies start to come out on both sides.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1953 on: May 17, 2013, 06:30:11 PM »
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

i find it fascinating that people (the same persons) can affirm both the ideas that abortion is wrong and that it should be legal to abort fetuses (why isn't the plural feti?) resulting from rape.

life begins at conception, but the sins of the father are visited upon sons until the second trimester?
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1954 on: May 18, 2013, 12:07:15 AM »
Well I think his underlying point is that abortion of any kind is wrong and should be illegal.  Maybe some rare exceptions like risk to mom's life or rape or something.  Anyway I'm just guessing on his behalf and that's not fair.

i find it fascinating that people (the same persons) can affirm both the ideas that abortion is wrong and that it should be legal to abort fetuses (why isn't the plural feti?) resulting from rape.

life begins at conception, but the sins of the father are visited upon sons until the second trimester?

Well, this is getting a little off topic, but you're correct, from a moral standpoint, a child of rape is certainly no more deserving of death by dismemberment than a child of consensual sex. While morally inconsistent, most people who adopt the "rape exception" are simply trying to be pragmatic, and reach a compromise that would at least eliminate the vast majority of abortions. For example, while life does begin at conception, that's as close to a fact as you can get, I believe that killing a viable baby at 30 weeks is much more horrifying than killing a zygote or fetus in the first 12 weeks. From a pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to eliminate all but very early abortions, though there is little moral difference. Others would disagree.

And back to the gun issue, my point isn't that we shouldn't have tighter gun control measures because criminals will break them anyway - my point is that not only will the laws be ineffective, they'll impose yet more pain in the ass red tape for law abiding citizens. If the only downside of tighter regulations is that they were unlikely to be effective, you might as well pass the laws, but that's not the only downside here, and that's where I have the problem.

I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 12:10:36 AM by K-S-U-Wildcats! »
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1955 on: May 18, 2013, 12:28:22 AM »
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

and just about any other crime that involved a gun purchased on the unregulated secondary market.

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1956 on: May 18, 2013, 08:14:45 AM »
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

That's a good example. Thanks. So I guess my next question is, couldn't these guys have just used their friends / girlfriends to pass the background checks for them (I think this is called a strawman purchaser)? How do we fix that? And what about the lunatics that passed the checks anyway? How do you propose to strengthen those checks so they would actually work? I mean, let's face it, this guy passed a background check (looking pretty much like this, if I have it right):


Another crazy thing I learned about Columbine is this:

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Harris's site attracted few visitors, and caused no concern until late 1997. Klebold gave the web address to Brooks Brown, a former friend of Harris. Brown's mother had filed numerous complaints with the Jefferson County Sheriff's office concerning Harris, as she thought he was dangerous. The website contained numerous death threats directed against Brown: Klebold knew that if Brooks accessed the address, he would discover the content and inform his parents, and likely the authorities would be notified. After Brown's parents viewed the site, they contacted the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. The investigator Michael Guerra was told about the website. When he accessed it, Guerra discovered numerous violent threats directed against the students and teachers of Columbine High School. Other material included blurbs which Harris had written about his general hatred of society, and his desire to kill those who annoyed him. Harris had noted on his site that he had made pipe bombs. In addition, he mentioned a gun count and compiled a hit list of individuals (he did not post any plan on how he intended to attack targets). As Harris had posted on his website that he possessed explosives, Guerra wrote a draft affidavit, requesting a search warrant of the Harris household. He never filed it.

Damn.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 08:19:21 AM by K-S-U-Wildcats! »
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1957 on: May 18, 2013, 09:11:10 AM »
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

That's a good example. Thanks. So I guess my next question is, couldn't these guys have just used their friends / girlfriends to pass the background checks for them (I think this is called a strawman purchaser)?

Make it illegal to sell/give guns without registering even on the secondary market, and prosecute people that fail to do so, especially when the guns used show up in crimes. This is what I was talking about earlier. The people that purchased the guns for the columbine killers did NOTHING illegal under laws as they were written. A lot fewer guns would fall into the wrong hands if people had to register secondhand sales.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1958 on: May 18, 2013, 10:08:45 AM »
What we've learned in the past day from this thread:

The leftist preferred form of government is a genocidal police state.  Just like the Nazis.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1959 on: May 18, 2013, 08:51:45 PM »
Well, this is getting a little off topic, but you're correct, from a moral standpoint, a child of rape is certainly no more deserving of death by dismemberment than a child of consensual sex. While morally inconsistent, most people who adopt the "rape exception" are simply trying to be pragmatic, and reach a compromise that would at least eliminate the vast majority of abortions. For example, while life does begin at conception, that's as close to a fact as you can get, I believe that killing a viable baby at 30 weeks is much more horrifying than killing a zygote or fetus in the first 12 weeks. From a pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to eliminate all but very early abortions, though there is little moral difference. Others would disagree.

that's almost exactly like my own view.  i think abortion is clearly the taking of a human life, and hence morally wrong.  but from a pragmatic standpoint, it's preferable to having another human be born.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1960 on: May 18, 2013, 09:17:38 PM »
What we've learned in the past day from this thread:

The neocon preferred form of government is a white christian only state.  Just like the Nazis.
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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1961 on: May 19, 2013, 02:11:23 AM »
I'm still waiting for an example of a crime that would have been prevented with more extensive background checks. Show me the advantage that justifies imposing another inconvenience on law abiding citizens.

columbine

That's a good example. Thanks. So I guess my next question is, couldn't these guys have just used their friends / girlfriends to pass the background checks for them (I think this is called a strawman purchaser)?

I don't think they had any friends/girlfriends.

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Guns
« Reply #1962 on: May 28, 2013, 09:25:01 PM »
Should everyone have them? Should no one have them? Should only certain people have them?

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Re: Guns
« Reply #1963 on: May 28, 2013, 09:31:16 PM »
Dumbasses (90% of people who actually own guns), should not own a gun

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Re: Guns
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Re: Guns
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Re: Guns
« Reply #1966 on: May 28, 2013, 10:05:53 PM »
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Re: Guns
« Reply #1967 on: May 28, 2013, 10:20:03 PM »
this is a great topic

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Re: Guns
« Reply #1968 on: May 28, 2013, 10:33:51 PM »
Should everyone have them? Should no one have them? Should only certain people have them?

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two sons of eli, the high priest, made the sacrificial meat to be cooked in one manner rather than another.  they were met with death

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put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.

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Re: Guns
« Reply #1969 on: May 28, 2013, 10:39:29 PM »
I like to shoot guns, makes me feel like a man.

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Re: Guns
« Reply #1970 on: May 28, 2013, 11:20:44 PM »
I don't own a gun, but I really should,

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Re: Guns
« Reply #1971 on: May 28, 2013, 11:37:33 PM »
Own 'em, love 'em.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1972 on: May 29, 2013, 07:13:58 AM »
I think the military and some police should definitely have them.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1973 on: May 31, 2013, 02:03:23 PM »
Not at school, just another kid blasting himself on the face because of stupid grownups that don't deserve the right to own a gun:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/31/trenton_mathis_accidental_shooting_another_day_another_accidental_child.html

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1974 on: June 01, 2013, 11:21:03 AM »
Not at school, just another kid blasting himself on the face because of stupid grownups that don't deserve the right to own a gun:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/31/trenton_mathis_accidental_shooting_another_day_another_accidental_child.html

Was he charged with anything?