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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6775 on: May 26, 2022, 04:56:49 PM »

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6776 on: May 26, 2022, 05:20:51 PM »
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6777 on: May 26, 2022, 06:30:11 PM »

Important and interesting infographic from the article.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6778 on: May 26, 2022, 11:38:00 PM »
i don't think those numbers are:

1.  accurate (bloomberg by himself spent way more than the amounts listed for both sides)
2.  interesting, or
3.  important.


this issue is not driven by money, it's driven by the preferences of voters.  like, just do a quick reality-check.  50 million dollars/year is not a significant amount of money.  in 2020, $14.4 billion was spent by both sides across the elections. if $50 million a year was all that was necessary to change gun laws in the united states, that money would have been made available, spent and the problem solved a generation ago.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6781 on: May 27, 2022, 07:09:59 AM »
that's fake.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6782 on: May 27, 2022, 07:44:47 AM »
Lee Greenwood on Fox just said he isn't playing the nra conference because unfortunately the school shooting happened at a bad time.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6783 on: May 27, 2022, 08:32:53 AM »
i don't think those numbers are:

1.  accurate (bloomberg by himself spent way more than the amounts listed for both sides)
2.  interesting, or
3.  important.


this issue is not driven by money, it's driven by the preferences of voters.  like, just do a quick reality-check.  50 million dollars/year is not a significant amount of money.  in 2020, $14.4 billion was spent by both sides across the elections. if $50 million a year was all that was necessary to change gun laws in the united states, that money would have been made available, spent and the problem solved a generation ago.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/

I agree with your point about the money...I think Domino's spent 50 million dollars advertising the fact that they donated $100k to small business impacted by the pandemic. To me the interesting is that the overwhelming majority of human beings in america have no problem with tighter restrictions on guns...mandatory waiting periods, background checks, closing the gun show loophole, etc. And despite that nearly unanimous agreement, that's not how the rules are being made. Unfettered access to firearms is NOT the preference of the voters and if you think it is then I don't know what to tell you. It is the preference of the special interests who I guess do a really good job of convincing voters that there is no middle ground...any restrictions around guns is the same thing as the gubment is coming to take all your guns so you have to ride or die with us on this, NO RESTRICTIONS, SHALL NOT INFRINGE. WE THE EFFING PEOPLE. and its patently stupid.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6784 on: May 27, 2022, 08:35:38 AM »
Apparently, yesterday, Mitch McConnell said they need to do something and has kicked some wheels in motion for some TX dipshit, the Sinema dipshit, and some other dipshit to all start talking about it.  We will see what they come up with, but some forward progress that isn't complete window dressing will be better than nothing, assuming we get something that isn't just window dressing.

The country needs several prominent GOP'ers to step up on this.  The GOP has so strongly circled the wagons on this specific issue, that any discussion from outside that circle is seen as an attack.  The discussion has to start from inside that circle to have any hope of any of those dipshit inside the circle actually assisting in doing anything.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6785 on: May 27, 2022, 08:38:01 AM »
i don't think those numbers are:

1.  accurate (bloomberg by himself spent way more than the amounts listed for both sides)
2.  interesting, or
3.  important.


this issue is not driven by money, it's driven by the preferences of voters.  like, just do a quick reality-check.  50 million dollars/year is not a significant amount of money.  in 2020, $14.4 billion was spent by both sides across the elections. if $50 million a year was all that was necessary to change gun laws in the united states, that money would have been made available, spent and the problem solved a generation ago.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/

I agree with your point about the money...I think Domino's spent 50 million dollars advertising the fact that they donated $100k to small business impacted by the pandemic. To me the interesting is that the overwhelming majority of human beings in america have no problem with tighter restrictions on guns...mandatory waiting periods, background checks, closing the gun show loophole, etc. And despite that nearly unanimous agreement, that's not how the rules are being made. Unfettered access to firearms is NOT the preference of the voters and if you think it is then I don't know what to tell you. It is the preference of the special interests who I guess do a really good job of convincing voters that there is no middle ground...any restrictions around guns is the same thing as the gubment is coming to take all your guns so you have to ride or die with us on this, NO RESTRICTIONS, SHALL NOT INFRINGE. WE THE EFFING PEOPLE. and its patently stupid.

They claim that they don't want unfettered access, but their votes say they do. Same with school shootings. These kids are living in the world we vote for.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6786 on: May 27, 2022, 08:41:16 AM »
Just confirming what everyone already knows.

https://twitter.com/Miriam2626/status/1529985370166906889

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6787 on: May 27, 2022, 10:56:51 AM »
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North side a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6788 on: May 27, 2022, 10:59:21 AM »
Just confirming what everyone already knows.

https://twitter.com/Miriam2626/status/1529985370166906889

oh yeah this could just be an evergreen tweet about every police incident ever

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6789 on: May 27, 2022, 11:00:43 AM »
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North South a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident.

There is more than one mass shooting per day. You don't hear about all of them because it's not even physically possible to.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6790 on: May 27, 2022, 11:08:53 AM »
Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Texas and Florida absolutely dominate the list of shootings with the most fatalities. Yet, the clearly contrived talking point of states with stricter gun laws are more susceptible to mass shootings, will continue.

There was a mass shooting in Chicago less then 10 hours before I arrived last week.  In Near North South a couple of blocks away from the Miracle Mile/Viagra Triangle.   9 shot, 2 dead at a McDonald's.  You just didn't hear about it because there's no political points to be scored from the incident.

There is more than one mass shooting per day. You don't hear about all of them because it's not even physically possible to.

I understand.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6791 on: May 27, 2022, 11:21:53 AM »
One of the crazy parts of this issue is how so many talk about it in such a way that if we can’t solve the entire issue in every circumstance, that we shouldn’t do anything. I don’t know if it’s a reflex gained through such a strong use of whataboutism, intellectual laziness, or just the inability of weak minds. 

This is one of the problems

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6792 on: May 27, 2022, 11:33:28 AM »
-The shooter had more than 1600 rounds of ammunition.
-He was not one of the two juveniles arrested in 2018 when a different plan to “shoot up” the school was foiled.
-The police say the long (40 minute) delay was due to a wrong decision that the situation was a “barricaded subject” when in fact it was still an “active shooter situation” and there were still children at risk.   
-Children were calling 911 telling police there was an active shooter- and police still treated the situation as a “barricaded subject”. 
-This is why they waited for a set of keys and for backup while the shooter remained armed inside with children.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6793 on: May 27, 2022, 12:37:30 PM »
A school shooter has never and will never be a barricade/hostage situation.  They are just cowards.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6796 on: May 27, 2022, 01:16:05 PM »
Police officers who lie to the public should go to prison.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6798 on: May 27, 2022, 01:28:03 PM »

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #6799 on: May 27, 2022, 01:34:24 PM »
This is a conspiracy theorist dream right now.