Another school shooting

[Institutional Control]

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1529581917216993280?s=21&t=Xp_IzLZLFdLHnzPZPbDuTg


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[dal9]

Too many political points on the pond out there to be asking why an armed school resource officer didn't do their job (edit) . . . . again.

probably because what the killer was doing was legal right until he went in the school door....but in any case, it's true the "good guy with a gun" failed here, and in Parkland, and in Buffalo

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't know what third world country you live in but in first world Alabama there's anonymous tips lines.

I don't recall saying I support gun nuts.

I know #blueanon/#blueanonGe while almost always siding with The Man these days when there's political opportunity.  But, on occasion will clutch the pearls and get light headed over the thought of reporting a known mentally unstable person who is amassing weapons to the police.   But for smart and right thinkers, it's the thing to do.

I know SteveDave likes to bring up that third world hellhole known as Meade, KS often, but his examples are very poor, as always.

The NRA, and by extension a majority of the GOP, has largely opposed any Red Flag laws that accomplish anything.  They want about 10 steps to be followed in order to confiscate guns, which would take an exceedingly long time and almost certainly wouldn't have been able to get guns out of this kid's hands in the course of the 4 days between purchase and massacre.  Additionally, Oklahoma has passed an anti-red flag law.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/24/texas-gun-laws-uvalde-mass-shootings/

When a then-17-year-old student killed 10 people and injured 13 more in an art classroom in Santa Fe, near Houston, in 2018, Abbott called on state lawmakers to consider a “red flag” law that would allow state courts to take firearms away from a person who presents a danger to themselves or others.

A few months later, he backed away from the idea after Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and gun rights activists drew a hard line against it. The state ended up passing laws more focused on boosting mental health resources and giving teachers more access to guns on public school campuses.

Some states have them, mostly more liberal states but the occasional moderate/conservative state.  Every red flag that has been passed to date has been attacked by the NRA as being too strict.

Too many political points on the pond out there to be asking why an armed school resource officer didn't do their job (edit) . . . . again.

It's almost like armed school resource officers aren't an effective solution.  My estimation is that most local PDs put their dumbest employee there as they think it'll never matter.

Thank you for telling me things I already know.   

Relative to the resource officer.  I am fully aware that school resource officers are not always an effective solution, but sometimes they are a very effective solution, in fact, sometimes in regard to stopping these things cold, they are the solution.   That changes nothing relative to asking why this particular resource officer was not effective.   BTW, don't bore me and be stupid by saying that outlawing assault rifles would be the solution because I've already said assault rifles should be outlawed multiple times.

[steve dave]

Expect a call from your local federal agent in the next 10 minutes bud

[Sandstone Outcropping]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1529608685055623169?s=20&t=bO4JQGSOWV7cmA42qsDw_w

[sonofdaxjones]

 

[dal9]

this bun boy cant even blame CTE for his idiocy...at least his pops has that excuse

[Kat Kid]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

That's great, for you. I'm glad you are. The problem is it rarely works for a lot of people. Society should work for people, not try and make things more difficult.

Once again, if you read my thing is my problem always is anytime you want to provide any sort of relief, it gets shut down. If you want happy healthy children, shouldn't there be healthcare they can access? What about the ability to get an education, regardless of their social status? Shouldn't we educate them on sex ed? The importance of family planning? All these things get shut down left and right. The answer is always trying to cut more out. FTR I would be fine if the answer was UBI, or at least some what to make someone know they have a support structure in place I don't need government run daycares either, but if you have a kid it shouldn't be some economic entrapment. I also fail to see "single payer healthcare" or "publicly funded schools" as "big gubment programs" but we can disagree. I'm sure you have in your mind some nanny state.

In my mind it's just patently insane to force someone who is having a kid to have their healthcare tied to their employment, then when they go through the physical toll of having a child and needing to be there with a human being at their absolutely most dependent part, say you only get 12 weeks off, and it's unpaid, when so you don't even haver anything to provide for them, so then you're forced to go back to work to provide for yourself and them and then have to try and find childcare which has either no subsidy or anything. Just put yourself in that, thing outside the box for once how entrapped that is. It's insane to think that is in anyway a good system. And then we wonder why kids are awful cause their parents are away having to just put food in their mouths.

Health insurance tied to employment is insane. The tax deductibility of health insurance through your employer should be immediately ended. I would support a Singaporean-style health care system and this would result in coverage for everyone.

I'm never going to be in favor of mandatory paid leave or anything like that. That's going to benefit a lot of people who simply value having both parents work over staying home with their kids. I realize that's not the only group that would benefit, but they would, and I'm not going to support it. Everything else you mentioned like schooling and daycare could be solved through UBI.

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Those who opt for the home child care benefit rather than a public child care spot will be paid a weekly benefit that is roughly equal to the per-child wages of childcare workers. So, for instance, the median childcare worker has an annual salary of $22,290.24 The recommended child-to-adult ratio for these workers is around four to one depending on the age of the child.25 Dividing $22,290 by four gives $5,730 per year, which is $110 per week. Thus, under prevailing child-to-adult ratios and prevailing childcare worker wages, the weekly home child care benefit would be $110 per child. If the ratios or prevailing wages change, e.g. because the new public child care system sets higher wages, then the home child care allowance would change with it

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/

[sonofdaxjones]

Nothing to see here folks, move along

https://www.aap.org/en/advocacy/child-and-adolescent-healthy-mental-development/aap-aacap-cha-declaration-of-a-national-emergency-in-child-and-adolescent-mental-health/

But our President is "locked in" on Ukraine.   Who cares about our kids when there's Biden Family Inc assets to protect in Ukraine!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/10/health/pediatricians-mental-health-crisis-teens.html

Probably that got damn Tucker Carlson and that rough ridin' Vlad Putin!

[steve dave]

Yes, the white power hour is calling gun control “civil war”

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1529615750566141952

[Dugout DickStone]

They seem very excited to surrender again.

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657

https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153

[Dugout DickStone]

awful

[catastrophe]

Need more good guys with guns. Like, way more than the number who would vote against simple gun control laws.

[mocat]

my god. can these police officers be tried as accomplices

[MadCat]

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1529483504857251844

[cfbandyman]

Need more good guys with guns. Like, way more than the number who would vote against simple gun control laws.

Yup, more guns is def the only option

[420seriouscat69]

If cops are scared of a semi automatic weapon, might be time to ban them.

[Dugout DickStone]

Need more good guys with guns. Like, way more than the number who would vote against simple gun control laws.

Yup, more guns is def the only option

I think we are seeing the "good guys with guns" solution is not really a good one because the good guys with guns want to be a good guy with a gun who grows old and gets to see his kids again.  They seem to not want to engage in a fire fight with a suicidal maniac with body armor and an assault rifle who is literally planning on dying that day and wants to take as many people as he can with him.

[420seriouscat69]

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529669808228294656?s=20&t=xmxM5Q9yThtjXhRKR6k9Cg

[Dugout DickStone]

There will be some serious blowback I reckon. 

[sonofdaxjones]

The United States is not the only country that has mass shootings.   Depending on how you want to bend the statistics and how you want to define what is and isn't a mass shooting, it could be said that the United States has a disproportionate amount of mass shootings.    Just because we've just accepted that the cartels in Mexico (for example) kill a bunch of people in mass all the time (like 11 dead in two bars in a cartel mass shooting in the last 48 hours) doesn't make it any less of a . . . mass shooting.     Obviously that's still not a trophy anybody wants in their trophy case.

But the "It only happens in the United States" trope is simply not reality. 





 

[sonofdaxjones]

If the actions or in this case, alleged in action by the police are accurate, then a bunch of people need to get severely sanctioned and/or fired.   Possibly prosecuted. 

[steve dave]

If cops are scared of a semi automatic weapon, might be time to ban them.

Yes

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Could we at least get behind "red flag laws" as a starting point?

https://thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r