Another school shooting

[cfbandyman]

That’s fine. Please adjust where it needs to be. I talk to International docs trying to get employment here daily, that are jealous AF you us. Mods, please put wherever this should go.

I mean, you seriously don't think the right doesn't complain incessantly about a crap ton of things? Every work site I go to is a bitch fest 24/7/365 about what's wrong with the country and rarely do I agree with their assessment but sure.

(BTW I know you're just blowing off steam, it's just from my experience so much the opposite, but things like twitter make it seem this way).

FTR I tend to think that while complaining can and does come off as annoying, at least when done right shows you care. If you don't care you tend to not have opinions about things.

[Justwin]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

[catastrophe]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

[chum1]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


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Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

I don't think the post was directed at you personally.

[Justwin]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.

[Dugout DickStone]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

[cfbandyman]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

That's great, for you. I'm glad you are. The problem is it rarely works for a lot of people. Society should work for people, not try and make things more difficult.

Once again, if you read my thing is my problem always is anytime you want to provide any sort of relief, it gets shut down. If you want happy healthy children, shouldn't there be healthcare they can access? What about the ability to get an education, regardless of their social status? Shouldn't we educate them on sex ed? The importance of family planning? All these things get shut down left and right. The answer is always trying to cut more out. FTR I would be fine if the answer was UBI, or at least some what to make someone know they have a support structure in place I don't need government run daycares either, but if you have a kid it shouldn't be some economic entrapment. I also fail to see "single payer healthcare" or "publicly funded schools" as "big gubment programs" but we can disagree. I'm sure you have in your mind some nanny state.

In my mind it's just patently insane to force someone who is having a kid to have their healthcare tied to their employment, then when they go through the physical toll of having a child and needing to be there with a human being at their absolutely most dependent part, say you only get 12 weeks off, and it's unpaid, when so you don't even haver anything to provide for them, so then you're forced to go back to work to provide for yourself and them and then have to try and find childcare which has either no subsidy or anything. Just put yourself in that, thing outside the box for once how entrapped that is. It's insane to think that is in anyway a good system. And then we wonder why kids are awful cause their parents are away having to just put food in their mouths.

[catastrophe]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.

I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.

[Justwin]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

[Dugout DickStone]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Are you saying your kids school will never be involved in a shooting or that your kids don't go to school?

My kids will never be victims in a school shooting because they don't go to school.

makes sense

[ChiComCat]

The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

[star seed 7]

The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?

[Dugout DickStone]

The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?

Guess

[Justwin]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

That's great, for you. I'm glad you are. The problem is it rarely works for a lot of people. Society should work for people, not try and make things more difficult.

Once again, if you read my thing is my problem always is anytime you want to provide any sort of relief, it gets shut down. If you want happy healthy children, shouldn't there be healthcare they can access? What about the ability to get an education, regardless of their social status? Shouldn't we educate them on sex ed? The importance of family planning? All these things get shut down left and right. The answer is always trying to cut more out. FTR I would be fine if the answer was UBI, or at least some what to make someone know they have a support structure in place I don't need government run daycares either, but if you have a kid it shouldn't be some economic entrapment. I also fail to see "single payer healthcare" or "publicly funded schools" as "big gubment programs" but we can disagree. I'm sure you have in your mind some nanny state.

In my mind it's just patently insane to force someone who is having a kid to have their healthcare tied to their employment, then when they go through the physical toll of having a child and needing to be there with a human being at their absolutely most dependent part, say you only get 12 weeks off, and it's unpaid, when so you don't even haver anything to provide for them, so then you're forced to go back to work to provide for yourself and them and then have to try and find childcare which has either no subsidy or anything. Just put yourself in that, thing outside the box for once how entrapped that is. It's insane to think that is in anyway a good system. And then we wonder why kids are awful cause their parents are away having to just put food in their mouths.

Health insurance tied to employment is insane. The tax deductibility of health insurance through your employer should be immediately ended. I would support a Singaporean-style health care system and this would result in coverage for everyone.

I'm never going to be in favor of mandatory paid leave or anything like that. That's going to benefit a lot of people who simply value having both parents work over staying home with their kids. I realize that's not the only group that would benefit, but they would, and I'm not going to support it. Everything else you mentioned like schooling and daycare could be solved through UBI.

[Justwin]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.

I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?

[catastrophe]

Last week, it was ‘we’ll take every action to protect unborn children’

This week, it’s ‘thoughts and prayers, real-life children, better luck next time’

Literally eff all of them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probirth, never pro life

You really cling to this.

Truth hurt?

No, it's just a very weak argument. Underlying its use is this assumption that only the government can provide for kids. I have four school age kids that never worry about being locked down at a school. We don't have to cross our fingers hoping this doesn't happen to our kids.

My kids are also miraculously able to be taken care of without any government assistance. If you want to do something through a UBI, I could get behind that. All of these other programs, no.

I'm also anti-death penalty.

Underlying it’s use is the assumption that people who want abortions lack the means to appropriately support children, dumbass.

I hardly ever use the term “privileged” but my word your take is the poster child for it.

Like I said, I'll get behind a UBI to help provide for all of the people who are unable to care for themselves or their children.

I think we agree on that, but to be clear: almost no one in public service who supports banning abortions also supports UBI or any consistent monetary or healthcare relief for struggling families.

That’s the point of the “pro birth, not pro life” argument.

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?

I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

[steve dave]

Yeah, pro choice and UBI are consistent policies

[420seriouscat69]

The NRA will solve the problem at their Texas meeting this weekend with more guns.

Will guns be allowed at the meeting?

Guess

They gotta protect themselves from protestors. Duh!

[Spracne]

Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.

It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.

[Justwin]

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?

I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

I was more saying, who should I vote for?

There's a big difference between negative rights and positive rights. Saying a person has the right to not be killed is far different than saying a person has a right to receive anything. You may think it's hypocritical, but it's not.

[Spracne]

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?

I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

I was more saying, who should I vote for?

There's a big difference between negative rights and positive rights. Saying a person has the right to not be killed is far different than saying a person has a right to receive anything. You may think it's hypocritical, but it's not.

Name me a "negative right," and I guarantee I can rephrase it as a "positive right."

[Justwin]

Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.

It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.

So, you're saying there are fewer cases and questions surrounding the Second Amendment?

[Justwin]

And no one in public service who would support a UBI is anti-abortion. So what do you do?

I think you’re trying to be a bit too clever for yourself there—you certainly are for me.

The point of being anti abortion is that you believe all unborn children have a fundamental right to life. I understand that, but only a hypocrite is ok with children being deprived of basic human necessities so long as they get born alive. Personally I’m pro life, but I support the right of women to have abortions in the first trimester in large part because I recognize our society absolutely sucks at helping those most in need.

The reverse is a total non sequitur. There is nothing inconsistent with saying every American family is entitled to a living wage and also the fate of unborn children should be entirely in the hands of the mother carrying them.

I was more saying, who should I vote for?

There's a big difference between negative rights and positive rights. Saying a person has the right to not be killed is far different than saying a person has a right to receive anything. You may think it's hypocritical, but it's not.

Name me a "negative right," and I guarantee I can rephrase it as a "positive right."

Bully for you.

[Spracne]

Question for a lot of the libs on here that bitch about the US non stop (Obviously this is a huge one, that I definitely back that needs changes immediately). Is there anything you like about living here? You have a laundry list of crap you guys bitch about every day.

Bitching about our government is a civic duty considered so important that they actually enshrined it first in the Bill of Rights.

And yet it's the Bill of Rights that is being complained about.

It’s not.

I’m personally with Berger on this one that the Second Amendment seems pretty clearly intended to protect the right to maintain armed state and local militias. Why the “shall not be infringed” crowd thinks you can completely ignore like 30% of the words in that language makes no sense to me.

But more relevantly, we already banned assault weapons. There isn’t a good second amendment argument against the ability of government to do so. The lack of any action on gun policy is 100% due to special interest groups and morally bankrupt politicians.

Here, here. I took a Con law class entitled "The First and Second Amendment." We spent the entire semester discussing the First Amendment, and then like a day and a half discussing the Second. There is a dearth of caselaw on the Second Amendment. Heller is the only major SCOTUS case, and even there, the Court (via Scalia) only held that a person can have a handgun in their home for personal defense.

So, you're saying there are fewer cases and questions surrounding the Second Amendment?

Did you know that the First Amendment right to free speech was never tested in earnest until after WWI? It was unexplored territory until then. What I'm saying is that it's never properly been interpreted. It is fertile ground for Constitutional jurisprudence, but good luck with that, given that we are about to throw out an unbroken 50 year line of cases affirming a right to privacy (Roe).

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Ghouls:

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1529459086152110082?s=20&t=AIdqzEmL9DiuWdGuxn3R3g